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DEL.ICIO.USThe end is near
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By Mrs. Godzilla
August 1, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this
I found this great new card on the Hallmark Rack…..
CONGRATULATIONS RUPERT
On your massive acquisition.
We all are watching breathlessly
As it shifts to “right” position.
We thought perhaps a gift
Would be the thing to do
So here’s a little something
Especially for you!
Best of luck with the Dow!
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 8:11 AM | Link to this
CLUES? - Bushco Already Caught? - Is This “Mystery Poster” Another “DeepThroat”?
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this
Study: Voters Blame The GOP — Not Democrats — For Partisan Gridlock
By Anonymous
August 1, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this
I guess that’s the free-market solution to the problem of a free press: If you can’t control the news, buy it!
By Duh stands for Democrats
August 1, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this
Does the Atlanta Journal Constitution have any business mocking the Wall Street Journal for Lindsay Lohan news? The AJC is a wanna be smut Hollywood sleaze bucket special, 24/7, just go to AJC.com and see for yourself if you don’t believe me.
The WSJ hasn’t ever printed a pointless harlot article, not one.
Do you liberals re create your world every morning when you get out of bed?
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{{{{Outside that world, the Vick saga looms large, the subject of countless Weblogs, sports talk shows and watercooler conversations. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) took to the Senate floor in full-throated outcry over dead dogs, but there have been no similar speeches from the high and mighty memorializing Annaijh and castigating her alleged assailants. Children like her simply don’t command that sort of attention — in life or in death.-Cynthia Tucker}}}}
Ummm, who works at the “news” paper and has the ability to change the news coverage from AJC Goofy to serious, you or your readers?
Geez.
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When you have no evidence on a man that causes you to suffer from extreme paranoia and raging delusions, these are the kind of things you will resort to:
A 2004 report by the inspector general found no basis for a claim by then-Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry that White House political advisers interfered in developing water policy in the Klamath River Basin in California and Oregon. But investigators did not ask about Cheney —- and no Interior employee volunteered information about him, said Mary Kendall, deputy Interior inspector general.
Think infantile, AJC, infantile.
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this
I wonder if Mike has a name for the little couple that are always in his cartoon.
By w00t
August 1, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this
Andy-saq, you know that Mike’s “opinion” doesn’t necessarily represent the AJC, its owners, or its reader base right?
Really what he is talking about here is what Murdock did to the “New York Post”. He was able to turn a respectable news paper into a paper no different that the National Enquirer.
That is what everyone is afraid of, especially the writers, that Murdock will use the WSJ for his own personal gain, and further lower the quality of news and reporting that so many have warned about. Especially the writers of the WSJ.
It’s kind of funny that you crazy neo-cons claims to be open market and small businesses, but you have no problem with someone forming basically a Monopoly in the news market. Though, I guess as long as someone tells you what you want to hear so that it makes you feel better inside as a person, you don’t mind, because no one should question anything or anyone… especially the government.
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 8:50 AM | Link to this
Bush threatens to veto health care coverage for kids and seniors, but think Bush, Cheney or Roberts had any problems with their health insurance?
By Analchord
August 1, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this
Rosebud
By Duh stands for Democrats
August 1, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this
{{{{By w00t August 1, 2007 8:45 AM Really what he is talking about here is what Murdock did to the “New York Post”. He was able to turn a respectable news paper into a paper no different that the National Enquirer.}}}}
You mean he turned the Post into a “news” paper no better than the AJC, right?
That’s my point and only point, where does the AJC get off criticizing anyone for reporting on LL?
AJC.com, News buzz- Nicole Richie: It’s true, I’m pregnant
By @@
August 1, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this
I absolutely agree with your message today ml.
Everytime I come here, your liberals are showing us their a*******ets.
I know….I know….it “IS” their best side, but sheesh, it’s like inches from my face.
It stinks!!!!
By Liberal Assets
August 1, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this
@@,
If your face is that close, you should just pucker up!!
By @@
August 1, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this
Man, the AJC must have really ramped up their “filters”. My “a” and 2 dollars didn’t even make it through.
Oh well….
A-SSets?
Arse-ttes?
Rear ends?
Butts?
But-ts?
I’ll give it a “french” flair…
Derrière?
Anatomically correct:
Glutious maximus?
Ebonics:
Booty? Junk in the trunk?
By @@
August 1, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this
Liberal @ 9:10:
That was a good one, but…
the bigger the liberal butt, the closer it is.
By The Watcher
August 1, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this
With the NeoCons so far “behind” the american people…..the view isn’t going to get much better for the next 8 years.
Get used to it @@-toots!
By Paul
August 1, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS 8:50
If you’d like an indepth analysis of the political gamesmanship going on with the healthcare bill (from a guy who’s been around a long time, notably as a key Clinton advisor, but not now), read this:
Link: Health Care: House postures while Senate legislates
BTW: he’s the one who predicted, months out, that the Democratic House leadership’s Iraq funding withdrawal maneuvers would cost them credibility and anger the antiwar Left of the Dem Party, if Bush played it correctly.
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this
More “progress” in Iraq: Sunnis quit government; Car bombs kill scores; Soldiers dying
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this
WASHINGTON - Democrat John Edwards said the Bush administration’s plan to sell $20 billion worth of weapons to friendly Arab states amounted to a foreign policy of convenience and he will take a tougher stance with Saudi Arabia if elected president.
Edwards said the United States should require the Saudi government to shut down the movement of terrorists across its borders, help stabilize the Iraqi government and participate more seriously in regional security before they are offered weapons.
By Dusty
August 1, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this
@@,
You’re on a roll this morning. I think I just learned a few new anatomical words. They will probably come in handy as the day progresses.
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this
PAUL
YOU MEAN THE GUY WHO DROPPED THIS JEWEL OF WISDOM?
Morris further wrote that Hurricane Katrina would mark Bush’s second term the same way 9/11 marked his first term, saying: “Katrina has the capacity to shape the second Bush term in the same way September 11 shaped his first term — not only in rebuilding New Orleans but in taking preventative steps around the nation to bolster our defenses against natural and man-made disasters and terror strikes. Responding to disasters is a source of presidential strength and popularity, and Bush is about to show how it is done.”
By The Accusation of Doom
August 1, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this
@@,
Doom can’t believe that you are still masquerading under multiple IDs(Dusty). I figured that you’d had gotten a life by now.
By Lord Help Us
August 1, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this
Bush Terrorism Strategy:
WE MUST invade and bring democracy to Iraq, a country that had minor ties to terrorism, by helping to solidify a new Iraqi gov’t that is comprised of terrorists…so that we can be safer from terrorism.
WE MUST sell massive amounts of high tech weaponry to a completely undemocratic, totalitarian regime (Saudi Arabia) that represses women and minorities, and is one of the worlds worst enablers of terrorism…so that we can be safer from terrorism.
WE MUST support a military dictatorship that overthrew a democratically elected gov’t to gain power (Pakistan) with billions in aid and weapons AND is one of the worlds worst enablers of terrorism AND allow for the establishment of safe havens for the terrorist organization responsible for 9/11…so that we can be safer from terrorism.
The Bush Admin sure has a smart strategy for making the world more democratic and safer from terrorism…huh?
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this
I think that whole weapons deal is quite fishy and curious. We sold weapons to Saddam Hussein, right? That didn’t work out so well. So instead of trying to promote peace in the region, we’re just going to arm our friends in the region up to the gills and hope for the best! Won’t Russia sell arms to our “non friends?” Probably? By chance? Things aren’t so swell between us and Russia right now — isn’t that the case? Putin seems to (as the rest of the world) think Bush is quite the idiot?
Yeap, that sounds like a great plan!
Seriously, I haven’t heard much about this plan except some people screaming about it. What’s the deal with all this?
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this
Well, Lord Help Us, when you put it that way - I guess the answer is -
hmmmmmmmmmm………………..NO!
NO, it’s not safer from terrorism!
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this
The proposed package of advanced weaponry for Saudi Arabia, which includes advanced satellite-guided bombs, upgrades to its fighters and new naval vessels, has made Israel and some of its supporters in Congress nervous.
By RW-(the original)
August 1, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this
Interesting post at 9:54 Bosch.
It would appear that you know nothing about the subject of your post as evidenced by your last paragraph, but you spend 100 words telling us how horrible it must be before you get around to telling us you’re clueless.
Do you and your clone parade ever think these things through before you type them?
By getalife
August 1, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this
Great toon Mike.
Liberals, Geez.
Rummy to lie today on Tillman.
Slap on the wrist for the Generals for the coverup.
The no accountability era continues.
By The Detections of Doom
August 1, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this
Doom is detecting several multi-ID users here. You guys kiss up to each other too well.
By Dusty
August 1, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS
Did you pose for ml’s cartoon of the day? I mean, all you can post is something like “the end is near”.
At 9:29. you sound almost joyful to report that “Car bombs kill scores. Soldiers dying.”
Do you call that something new to tell us? Are you surprised that this is war? Do you want us to “cut-n-run”? What exactly is your point of posting nothing but casualties and enemy assaults and none of the progress? Whose side are you on anyway?
In reference to the war in Iraq,I repeat,”WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON?” The answer is not clear from what you post on this blog.
By Analchord
August 1, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this
Dusty, what is the mission of US troops in Iraq?
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this
DUSTY
I AM ON THE SIDE OF TRUTH, JUSTICE AND THE AMERICAN WAY.
AREN’T YOU?
By Analchord
August 1, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this
In the News, What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?
By Goldie
August 1, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this
Great toon, Luckovich — the rightwing nuts always try to blame “liberals” for everything they perceive to be askew… but America now understands that it’s the Neo-Cons of the Repug Party who’ve lead us down the road to disaster!
Can’t Wait For ‘08!
By The Detections of @@
August 1, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
and @@ can’t believe that Doom is still masquerading as a conservative. Unless, of course, you can only dream of becoming one.
On the Saudi arms deal. For the first time, the Saudi’s will be meeting with Israel. Israel is not opposing the arms deal.
Putin is supporting the Fatah government in Palestine.
Arms dealers in Gaza are complaining because business is down due to the Saudi deal.
Saudi Arabia doesn’t want Iranian dominance. Israel doesn’t want Iranian dominance. The U.S. doesn’t want Iranian dominance.
That arms dealer in Gaza has 13 children. He doesn’t even know their names or ages.
I have no idea why I posted ^^^ that last paragraph. I guess it was to exhibit his lack of interest in lives…even when it’s his own children.
By The Analysis of Doom
August 1, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
Dusty(@@),
What is wrong with someone posting evidence that we’ve been lied to. Do you expect “IN THE NEWS” to blindly buy into everything he/she is fed from our government like you do? It’s not an issue of whose side is anyone on, it is the result of the freedom of choice and thought that exists in this country. “IN THE NEWS” is exercising his/her freedom to not be brainwashed by lies.
P.S. Doom is typically not a fan of “IN THE NEWS”, but I do respect people’s opinion, no matter how stupid they are.
By Paul
August 1, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS 9:42
Political analysis is not like running a mathematical formula - input values for the variables and always get the same answer. It’s not even like cooking, using chef’s discretion. It’s a lot like the intel community - best guess, given certain assumptions. In this case, I think the operative words were “has the capacity.” The last phrase makes clear he’s speaking of a future event - if certain actions leading up to that event are taken.
Plus - being wrong on one event doesn’t mean the other events are wrong. A tax attorney who gives an opinion later found to be at odds with a subsequent court decision does not have all of his other opinions labeled “wrong.”
Big picture here: are the Dems in the House playing politics by intentionally crafting a bill at odds with the Senate version to provoke a veto?
By Analchord
August 1, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this
Goldie, what is the mission of US troops in Iraq?
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
ANALCHORD
DO YOU WANT ME TO LIST THE REASONS THE ADMINISTRATION HAS GIVEN SO FAR?
OR MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION?
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this
RW, Are you still mad at me? Boo hoo.
I’m sorry if my post wasn’t GOOD enough for you. Maybe I should run what I want to say by you so that you can approve it for me and tell me if it’s WORTHY or not.
Please, RW, dazzle us with your brilliance and post something relevant to the conversation!
We are all awaiting with the highest expectation of your wit, charm, and aboslute brilliance!
By Paul
August 1, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this
Bosch 9:54
Not necessarily. Iraq and Iran fought each other to a bloody standstill. Both were significantly weakened. Another factor to consider: when the Shah of Iran was overthrown, Iran had one of the most modern air forces in the region. It takes spare parts, regular maintenance and contractor support to maintain that status. The US froze spare parts and other support. The air force (equipment) rapidly deteriorated. Same with Iran (until those greedy capitalistic French stepped in. Arms sales are just worth way too much to the major powers). So there is continuing leverage that can be exerted.
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this
Analchord, Ask RW/Buy Danish - he knows everything, is the absolute authority on all things.
By Analchord
August 1, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this
Every army in war has a mission. What is the mission as of aug. 1st, 2007 of US troops in the Iraq War.
What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?
The mission. What is it?
By mm
August 1, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this
Great toon ML. It’s scary to think Murdoch has gotten his greedy hands on another media outlet.
And who would expect the wingnuts to understand this cartoon? They see nothing wrong with Fox News.
Keep it up, In The News. You are driving the wingnuts crazy. They can’t stand to see the real truth. It’s not pretty, but it is the truth.
By Analchord
August 1, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this
mm, what is the mission of US troops in Iraq?
By @@
August 1, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this
Doom:
The catch phrases “lied to” and “blindly follow” leaves your liberal A-Z exposed.
I can read between the alphabets.
You’re floating in the liberal soup.
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
THANKS MM
KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT
By The Independence of Doom
August 1, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
@@(Dusty),
Doom is neither a can’tservative or homocrat. I am an intellectual Christian thinker who hates idiocy. Doom does not profess liberalism because of its obvious ideological stupidities and perversions,and you can thank your buddy “Buy Danish” for me no longer being a can’tservative.
There is way too much brainlessness demonstrated on this blog and way too much multi ID use. Your rampant cowardice sickens Doom.
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
Paul, What did you mean by “not necessarily?” I lost track a bit.
So what good does it do to sell arms to Saudi Arabia and Israel (and who else - I don’t feel like looking it up right now)? How does that help “stabilize” the region? It seems to me that it will only make things worse, make people more bitter and paranoid, and let’s be honest, the Saudis aren’t the most trustworthy people on the planet.
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this
mm, And wasn’t one of our complaints against Saddam Hussein that he controlled and manipulated information in the media? Interesting.
By The Watcher
August 1, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this
Did we not learn in Virginia what happens when you give a gun to a lunatic?
Why would we sell billions of dollars of top of the line, hi tech weaponry into the land of lunatics?
FOR FREAKIN PROFIT.
By Lord Help Us
August 1, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this
Paul, You have apparently forgotten, that in the 80’s Reagan/Bush provided billions in high tech weaponry to Saddam, Iran and to the Afghans that would later form the Taliban.
Our support for Iran was clandestine, but you may remember a minor scandal called Iran/Contra that thankfully exposed this illegal foreign policy. You should read up on it when you have a moment.
Our support and enabling of Saddam Hussein during the 80’s was multi-faceted, however. We provided intelligence, chemical/biological and high-tech weapons, training up to AND AFTER he used those chemical weapons on his own people.
Even more devastating, were the high-tech weapons, training, etc. we provided to Afghans in the 80’s (some of the same people that would go on create Al Qaeda and form the Taliban).
These are dark, ugly truths that we SHOULD be acknowledge and be ashamed of (and vow to not repeat).
Unfortunately, we are likely making equally fatal decisions with Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the Sunni Insurgents in Iraq as we speak…
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
August 1, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this
Doom,
Our troops’ mission in Iraq is to win.
Let’s not try and make this more complicated then we can understand or defend.
RWNJIFG
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this
FROM CREW
A ‘bad’ day for ‘American journalism.’“It’s a bad thing for the Journal and American journalism that the Bancroft family could not resist Rupert Murdoch’s generous offer,” said former Dow Jones director Jim Ottaway Jr., who opposed Rupert Murdoch’s takeover of Dow Jones. Another board member, Leslie Hill, “quit the board in protest last night.”
By RW-(the original)
August 1, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this
Thanks for the compliment Blackadder, but Buy Danish is far tougher on you clowns than I am. I’ll usually laugh at you and head off to the course whereas she will relentlessly beat you into submission using only reason, logic, and truth.
In fact I’m heading to the club right now. Need a caddying job?
By The Exiting of Doom
August 1, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this
RWNJIFG and @@(Dusty),
Doom is leaving this god forsaken blog. Please refrain from responding to me because I,unlike you, have a life to live. A life in which I will enjoy starting now……..
By Sammi
August 1, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
By IN THE NEWS August 1, 2007 9:29 AM More “progress” in Iraq: Sunnis quit government; Car bombs kill scores; Soldiers dying By Dusty August 1, 2007 10:06 AAt 9:29. you sound almost joyful to report that “Car bombs kill scores. Soldiers dying
Hey 9:29AM. There’s nothing ‘joyful’ about the 9:29 post. This is simply a link to a news report. Good Grief!!!!!
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
RWNJIFG, I have a question for you and hopefully RW will approve of this question and say it’s alright for me to ask you this:
What does it mean to “Win” in Iraq?
By @@
August 1, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this
Well DoomDumper, if you’re no longer a conservative and you won’t vote for a !?!homocrat!?! good luck at the precinct.
Ron Paul? or Ralph Nader (is he running?)
Note to self…Thank Buy Danish.
Paul:
After you issued your side bet yesterday, I was on my way out. Within minutes I thought “Duh”.
I do recall an article about a month ago about a rift between Pakistan and India. What was it over? Terrorism.
They have an excellent relationship on trade issues though. Credit was given to Musharraf for the improvement in that area.
So the answer to your question?
They’ll nuke ‘em? I know that’ll upset Bosch. I mean, there have been soooo many nuclear attacks since “the end” of WWII.
By Paul
August 1, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this
Bosch 10:31
Sorry about that. Not necessarily” referred to
“We sold weapons to Saddam Hussein, right? That didn’t work out so well.”
Point was just we arm various people/countries at various times as our geopolitical aims change. High tech weapons require a lot of follow-on support (which usually costs lots more over the life of the system than the weapon itself). If the countries who have the weapons later become less than friendly, we stop the spare parts and maintenance support. The weapons become degraded or inoperative.
While I can give you some responses to your questions, it’d be more in the mode of answering, not advocating. I’ve long been a skeptic and critic of Foreign Military Sales. There are valid arguments on both sides. DoD web sites (and some major weapons manufacturers) post policy papers on why it’s a good thing.
BTW - just saw this:
Link: Pres Obama would send troops into Pakistan?
So Hillary’s foreign policy is “Bush-Cheney Lite” and Obama will invade Pakistan. Hillary and Biden will go into Sudan. I’m getting confused - which is the party of unilateral military intervention?
:)
By Analchord
August 1, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this
The mission is to win? No, the aim of the opponents in war is to win. Nobody goes to war to lose. “To win” is implied by participating in the contest of war. You make the mission of both sides identical. With geo-political acumen like that, who needs W?
What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?
What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?
What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?
By Paul
August 1, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this
Lord Help Us
I didn’t forget, just don’t consider it as significant. About the only hi-tech weapons (other than small arms) that existed that could be used against us were some Stingers. Taliban wasn’t into hi-tech weaponry.
The illegal activities were more along “how” it was done. I was commenting a little on the “why” and a lot on how these actions are not permanent.
I think a lot of this latest sale (which we - at least those of us here who pay Federal taxes are gonna pay for for a long time) is as much to put pressure on Iraq as anything. Again, I don’t necessarily agree. Just thinking about the “why” and “why now.”
By The Watcher
August 1, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this
Pakistan? Troops into Pakistan?
You mean were OSAMA BEEN HIDING probably is?
Sh1T! What a concept!
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
August 1, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this
Duh, Remember your “democratic wig out” defense of Bush in not going into Pakistan? Looks like you’ll need a new excuse for Our Dear Leader.
“The Illinois senator warned Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf that he must do more to shut down terrorist operations in his country and evict foreign fighters under an Obama presidency, or Pakistan will risk a U.S. troop invasion and losing hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid.
“Let me make this clear,” Obama said in a speech prepared for delivery at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. “There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.”
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this
Oh your welcome RW, and no I don’t need a job, but thanks. And if I make you mad again, please spare me your other persona, Buy Danish, I don’t want to face her wrath of being beaten into submission by her reason, logic, and absolute truth.
I take that back, you aren’t so brilliant - whose Blackadder? You know you can type things and that doesn’t necessarily make them true.
Oh, what am I thinking, of course, it’s true if RW/Buy Danish types it! Please, please, Buy Danish, don’t beat me into submission with your logic, reason, and truth, I didn’t mean to say that against your alter ego!
(But really, I’m not Blackadder, just Bosch.)
By steve-o
August 1, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this
RW,
Buy Danish isn’t tough on anyone. Rather she’s like the crazy old lady yelling on a crowded sidewalk that “the end is near”…and then we all share a hearty laugh.
By Sammi
August 1, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this
By Sammi August 1, 2007 10:47 AM Dusty August 1, 2007 10:06
Correction, I was referring to the 10:06 post.
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this
Watcher, While I totally agree with you in theory, we can’t just go marching into Pakistan though. It might ruffle some feathers and those feathers actually have nuclear weapons that can blow our asses to smithereens if they don’t like what we’re doing.
Paul,
“Point was just we arm various people/countries at various times as our geopolitical aims change”
That just seems a little dangerous to me, IMHO, it also doesn’t do much for our reputation in the region. It’s just another way to stir the honey pot, and those bees are quite deadly!
By Paul
August 1, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this
@@ 10:48
India and Pakistan have come extremely close to a nuclear exchange in the recent past. A couple of times. Land disputes, among other reasons. But fundamentalist Muslims view Hindus as possibly worse infidels than Jews or Christians (not “people of the book” after all, worship idols and such). So if I were an Indian government minister, I would not be casual about the actions of a fundamentalist Islamic regime in Pakistan. “Use it or lose it” could be given serious attention.
Watcher 10:53
So the actions of Musharaff’s political opposition, in the face of US invasion over Musharaff’s objections, could be what? And if M is overthrown, who would likely ascend? And a new government’s policies towards the US and Islamic fundamentalism would be what? And Pakistan’s controls over their nukes would be how strong? And the US response to war between India and Pakistan would be what? The response of other Moslem governments towards India would be what? Just for fun, speculate on the response a few years down the road of Iran with nukes.
Rhetorical questions -
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this
Steve-O, As a friend, I must warn you, you better be careful. Buy Danish might appear any minute and “beat you into submission” (I know as a black man, you would really be offended by that - that’s an RW phrase, not mine) with her logic, wisdom, and what was the other thing? Oh yeah, truth. You know that RW/Buy Danish are the absolute keepers of all things good and truthful? Right?
Whew, I hope this post gets to you in time!
By mm
August 1, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this
Analchord,
Here’s the 30% club’s take on the mission for US troops in Iraq.
Suddam has WMD’s (none found) Fight the terrorists over there before they come here(none were there before we invaded, but they were here on 9/11 and in Afghanistan before that).Here’s the 70% club’s take on the mission of US troops in Iraq.
Protect the Bush crony Iraqi government until they unwittingly pass a law to allow large oil companies access to their oil reserves. No more OPEC problems.By RW-(the original)
August 1, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this
OH SNAP!
I forgot to say I’d be back at happy hour. Drink up gitmolife!
Bosch,
I know you aren’t Blackadder. Believe it or not you may be the only poster that’s ever been on this blog dumber than him. No wonder you think watching 20 people run around a huge field and never coming close to actually scoring is great excitement. I saw a study once that said the average soccer fan had an IQ in the high 80’s to low 90’s. At the time I dismissed it, but with you and stevie-zero as evidence I think they had a point.
“See” you all at happy hour! Drink up Parrot!!
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this
One thing we learned last night is that not only is Dick Cheney a big liar, he’s also probably lousy at poker. Because the guy has a classic tell. If you watch when he lies to Larry King, he can’t make eye contact. Once you know what to look for it’s really jarring and obvious.
By luckovichisaheadcase
August 1, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this
Funny that no one objected to the massive left-wing acquisitions of Time-Warner and Ted Turner. I find CNN and the big three much more slanted than Murdoch’s properties. Now he can work on putting the horribly biased NY Times in its place - he can just compete them out of business!
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this
Steve-o, BTW, I meant to tell you, I told my son what you said about practicing everyday because it was his patriotic duty and that his country needed him.
He thought that was quite amusing, and is working toward that most important goal (no pun intended).
By Paul
August 1, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this
Bosch steve-o
Beckham’s off to a great start in promoting US soccer, right? No-show in Dallas. Saw a pic of a guy at the game holding a sign: “David - Welcome to America, Where People Like You Get Paid to do Nothing.”
BTW - Buy Danish has heartfelt beliefs. She presents them a bit strongly, mixed in with a no-prisoners approach towards some who post. As do several posters here.
By The Watcher
August 1, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this
Bosch You are right on. Since Obama said nothing about attacking “willy-nilly” I’m not to worried.
Paul Your rhetorical questions are just that.
BUT - Shouldn’t we be discussing how to get the guys who were responsible for 9/11 instead of pretending that the occupation for oil will take care of it?
By The Watcher
August 1, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this
“”Funny that no one objected to the massive left-wing acquisitions of Time-Warner and Ted Turner”“
luckovichisaheadcase luckovichisaheadcase luckovichisaheadcase
please compare the numbers for us.
who owns more media oulets. um?
By DebbieDoRight
August 1, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this
Pakistan and India have been enemies for DECADES:
http://www1.appstate.edu/~stefanov/Kashmir%20Between%20India%20and%20Pakistan.pdf
http://www.cowac.org/xsc4.html
By Dusty
August 1, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this
So poor lil’ liberal IN THE NEWS had to fall back on that old line “I’m for truth, justice and the American way.”
I’m for those generalities also and I make the personal choice to support the country visibly and verbably, extend justice to our troops by supporting them, and I choose the American way of supporting the country, not the enemy’s evil intentions.
IN THE NEWS is deliberately encouraging the enemy by reporting ONLY the bad news that makes terrorists think they are winning.
In the liberal hate pattern for President Bush, liberals think they are justified in working against the war, supporting the enemy and visibly seeking defeat.
That is truth. Working against your country is neither justice nor the American way.
Doom and other Dum dums,
Stop the stupidity of accusing most conservatives as being one person, ID stealers, and other antics that only liberals use. It makes you look like those “slap-sticks”, Analchord and getalife, and that’s no joke.
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this
RW, What do YOU know? It’s 22 people running around on a “pitch,” not a “big field”! Ha! Loser. What does he know?
Steve-o, Did you see RW’s 11:09 post? He is insulting OUR intelligence? Can you believe that? Well, notice he said AVERAGE soccer fan, ha, what does he know, we are WAY above average!
By N-GA
August 1, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this
Paul,
I have too much to say and not enough time to say it.
Do you see the irony (or hypocrisy) of condemning Iran for supplying shaped-charge explosives to Sunni insurgents who direct them at our soldiers when our CIA provided Stinger missles to the Taliban to kill Russians? It really all depends upon whose side you’re on.
The whole Mid-East arms deal may be less about who balances out who and more about how much money can be funneled to American arms manufacturers. I mean c’mon, how many of these countries have been willing and able to fire a shot in anger? Saudi Arabia (seldom). The same for most of the others.
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
August 1, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this
Bosch,
“Winning in Iraq” means having a slogan to keep to 25% of us with out a functioning cerebral cortex behind the President so that he can run out the clock and then the GOP can blame the Dem’s for losing. We’ve seen this playbook before. There are tapes of Nixon and Kissinger saying “the war is lost.” Did they quit? Hell no! They kept sending kids to die until the wimpy American people elected a Congress who cut off the funding. Then they blamed the loss on the Dems after they had already said it was lost. Isn’t that great?
This is the same playbook again 35 years later. Run out the clock, let the wimpy people elect Dems who pull us out and then claim that victory was at hand but the Dems are wimps and quit. Then you use the whole affair as a cautionary tale for generations to claim that you can’t trust Dems on National Security. So winning in Iraq means the Dems losing in Iraq.
Damn I love the GOP. You just have to love a group of people who avoid service, wrap themselves in the flag and use dead soldiers for political gain. It really is a marvelous thing to watch.
RWNJIFG
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this
Hey Paul! Don’t rub it in, okay? I mean, Posh did do that great special on TV!
[Seriously, he didn’t show up in Dallas? I haven’t seen much news lately - how embarrassing.]
Watcher, “Shouldn’t we be discussing how to get the guys who were responsible for 9/11 instead of pretending that the occupation for oil will take care of it?”
Uhm. Yes. Go figure.
By Sammi
August 1, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this
By Bosch August 1, 2007 That just seems a little dangerous to me, IMHO
I’ve noticed this “IMHO” appearing frequently? Would someone please define IMHO? I don’t mind being the village idiot occasionally.
By Paul
August 1, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this
Watcher
By “rhetorical” I meant “no answer required - just something to think about.” I’m concerned about what would happen in the event of an American ground invasion of Pakistan. Just some of Rumsfeld’s “known unknowns.”
As I said the other day, I’m not convinced killing bin Laden or not killing him will have much impact. Is the establishment of training sites, not just refuge sites, in Pakistan a problem? Yes. Is American ground force intervention the only solution? I don’t think so.
BTW - the “for oil” argument strikes me as a rather weak derivation of the “Bush/Oil/Republican Corporation” agenda of the radical Left. I’m just saying it doesn’t hold up under scrutiny. As I’ve said, if we wanted to conquer a country to gain their oil (even though we could get all the oil we can consume under the current arrangement) then Venezuela would have been a better target. We coulda built a pipeline right across the Gulf to Louisiana or Texas!
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS is deliberately encouraging the enemy by reporting ONLY the bad news that makes terrorists think they are winning.
IN THE NEWS is deliberately encouraging the enemy by reporting ONLY the bad news that makes terrorists think they are winning.
IN THE NEWS is deliberately encouraging the enemy by reporting ONLY the bad news that makes terrorists think they are winning.
KEEP SAYING IT, IT STILL ISN”T TRUE.
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this
Sammi, It means “in my honest opinion”
Here’s a list of acronyms that might help out
By Paul
August 1, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this
N-GA 11:20
Yes, yes and yes. That’s why I reference the arms manufacturers’ web sites for papers justifying arms sales.
Regarding the hypocrisy of condemning others - I think this is one area where that case can be made - without being susceptible to the “you don’t like America” charge.
I’m still interested to see how some will say we can secure the border between Iran and Iraq but then say we cannot between the US and Mexico or Canada. :)
By The Watcher
August 1, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this
RWNJIFG
This is brillianT!
““Winning in Iraq” means having a slogan to keep to 25% of us with out a functioning cerebral cortex behind the President so that he can run out the clock and then the GOP can blame the Dem’s for losing. We’ve seen this playbook before. “
You are my favorite RWNJ!
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this
Paul, “I’m still interested to see how some will say we can secure the border between Iran and Iraq but then say we cannot between the US and Mexico or Canada.”
Very good point.
By Musty
August 1, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this
Let’s review so far.
Duh at 8:17 lives up to his name. That whole post was DUH! First an opinion editor is skewed because she can’t make the AJC Be all that it can be. Like – Damn the Owners! Damn the Advertisers? Duh is like so very “up” on the internal machinations of a news daily. And that whole Cheney salmon thing. What’s up with that? For somebody who So obviously hates the AJC why is Duh always here? Sounds like a masochist to me.
And comes back to pillory the servants for the behavior of the masters! Wow he is one great big Republican isn’t he!
@@ stops by on the way to the kiddie pool to lob the first insult of the day. Some of us can start our day with coffee; some folks just gotta be a jerk first thing!
Dusty makes an appearance at 9:33 to tell us she learned some new words for butt. It does not surprise me…she’s had trouble telling hers from a hole in the ground all along. She sure complains about seeing posts about the good news in Iraq. Maybe If she spent less time with her size 16 a$$ in a size 14 swimsuit at the pool, she could search out the good news and post it for everybody!
RW does at 10:03 what he does best. Useless BS. “You don’t know Ca-Ca” And I don’t either or I would argue the point” Blah de Blah de Blah I’m sure he’ll come back later though and try to post some twisted crap. Must be nice to take a salesman’s holiday and go golfing whenever You feel like it. Anybody wanna guess what he sells? It appears his soul is first on the list.
Dusty, seems to see truth as a bad thing. Heaven forbid we know what our government Is doing in our name. Can you see here with teenage kids? “Yes, mom we are going to Betty Sues to study together!” Kid dressed like a mall tramp, mom says, “of course I believe everything you say poodle puss”
As usual Pau, makes multiple appearances. Like a snake oil salesman. The voice of reason, unless you disagree. So calm and pseudo-intellectual until you point out an inconsistency or error. Then he turn into something thought sounds so familiar….just can’t pin it down, yet. I like to watch him dance. He posts some broad brush Tripe gets called on it and then does a neo con two step.
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
August 1, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this
Dusty,
I think that you are being disingenous when you say that your support for the war is support for the country. First, most Americans (that 70% without severe brain damage) don’t support it. Isn’t this a democracy where the majority rules? So if you support the country shouldn’t you be against the war. Second, if the next President says that its in our country’s best interest to get out of Iraq, will you support the President or “undermine” the President verbally and visibly?
The point is that what we support is not the troops, its not the Country, its the President, period. Don’t try to make yourself anymore noble than anyone else, because we are not. We are just lemmings for Bush who are willing to leap off the cliff on his command. That’s not patriotism, its insanity.
I’m all for your blind allegiance to Mein Furher because I share it, but lets at least be honest about it.
RWNJIFG
By Duh stands for Democrats
August 1, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this
{{{{By Right-wing nut job in full glory August 1, 2007 10:54 AM “Let me make this clear,” Obama said in a speech prepared for delivery at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. “There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans.}}}}
Nutjob: That is almost the same thing Hillary said about Iraq, before she later said she didn’t mean what she said.
Can we just skip to the chase and declare that Obama really didn’t mean to say that?
Or blame it on his speech writer?
Besides, the subject matter bores me, you libs are welcome to split hairs all you want, I could care less what country we are killing the zipperhead suicide bombers in as long as we are killing zipperhead suicide bombers somewhere.
Iraq is cool, is it not?
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this
Sammi, I think my other post to you go dropped:
It means “In my HUMBLE opinion” according to that list.
Sorry.
By Paul
August 1, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
DebbieDoRight 11:18
Now those are excellent links - not just the articles but a decent source. Thanks. Folding those issues into the larger southwest Asian issues does tend to muck up other assumptions.
Right Wing Nut Job
How does the “winning” question stack up against Monday’s comment by House Majority Whip James Clyburn that “a strongly positive report on progress on Iraq by Army Gen. David Petraeus likely would split Democrats in the House and impede his party’s efforts to press for a timetable to end the war.”
Is “a strongly positive report on progress” a euphemism for “winning?”
By Dusty
August 1, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS @ 11:26
Unfortunately, IT IS STILL TRUE. You must not read your own posts.
By Bill O'Reilly
August 1, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this
{{{Besides, the subject matter bores me, you libs are welcome to split hairs all you want, I could care less what country we are killing the zipperhead suicide bombers in as long as we are killing zipperhead suicide bombers somewhere.}}}
Hey, you posted that on my website first!
By Paul
August 1, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this
Musty
That’s what happens when one gets information from other than talking points or partisan web sites. I assume you have difficulty with those who don’t follow the party line on every issue? I read a good op-ed piece this weekend - began with the phase “the problem with American politics is it doesn’t have a place for people who want to vote policy instead of party.”
So what’s wrong with inconsistencies? Life’s full of ‘em. Errors? Are you speaking of facts or opinions? Some here don’t distinguish between the two, or label a difference of opinion or putting forth the best known opinion as a “lie.”
Please, feel free to join in on any discussion wherein you think there’s an error of fact or a weak opinion.
By steve-o
August 1, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this
Bosch,
Great to hear that your kid is taking quite well to his patriotic duty!
RW bashes soccer because his little brain just can’t comprehend the sport. Nor can his little brain understand that the Iraqi soccer team’s Asian Cup victory has done more to unify the country than any silly surge ordered by his favorite idiot-in-chief.
Let’s not try to use anymore soccer jargon while speaking to him. He might accidently overload his search engine on his computer and he’d be screwed in regards to digging up irrelevant and dishonest information from right-wing think tanks.
Paul,
Beckham won’t be a savior for US soccer, but he can be a spark. I would have preferred an MLS team to go after a guy who controls the tempo of a match like Zidane.
By Sammi
August 1, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this
By Bosch August 1, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this Sammi, It means “in my honest opinion”
This is so funny. Thanks for the link!
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this
Censured general evades subpoena to appear before Tillman hearing
“Rep. Tom Davis (R-VA) offered his own harsh remarks on the manner of the announcement of Tillman’s death.
“Testimony from our previous hearing, and the results of six separate Army investigations all showed the tragic truth can only fall somewhere between screw-up and cover-up, between rampant incompetence and elaborate conspiracy,” the Ranking Republican on the committee forcefully stated. “And once you’re descending that continuum, it almost doesn’t matter whether the failure to follow Army regulations…was inadvertent, negligent, or intentional.”
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this
Bush Administration’s intelligence chief acknowledges ‘series’ of other ‘secret surveillance activities’
By Paul
August 1, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this
steve-o
Any sport that can encourage American kids to run, run, run around a field for at least half an hour is a good thing.
By Goldie
August 1, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this
{{Goldie, what is the mission of US troops in Iraq?}}
Anal— haven’t you heard our prez say many times that the mission was to disarm Saddam Hussein and perform “regime change”? So why are our troops still performing the duties of policemen in Iraq? Did Bush ever say that our mission was to occupy Iraq and perform as its policemen for years on end?
By Dusty
August 1, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this
Paul@11:46
Right Wing(liberal)Nut Job probably will give you one of his twisted answers. But I will say “a strongly positive report on progress” is definitely a euphemism for WINNING. Oh yes.
But WIN is a word that liberals don’t use or have forgotten the meaning. Look at Analchord asking the same question every day. Never knows or really wants the answer. Same for IN THE BAD NEWS.
Thanks for the good information and question.
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this
Iraqi deaths spike five months into US troop surge
By DebbieDoRight
August 1, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this
Joke of the day:
Rumsfeld, in his first public appearance on Capitol Hill since President Bush replaced him with Robert Gates late last year, reiterated previous testimony to investigators that he didn’t have early knowledge that Tillman was cut down by fellow Rangers, not by enemy militia, as was initially claimed.
He told a House committee hearing that he’d always impressed upon Pentagon underlings the “IMPORTANCE OF TELLING THE TRUTH”.
LMAO!!!!
By Analchord
August 1, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this
There is no question that W was not elected by the people of the USA who actually voted on those Diebold Machines. The evidence is overwhelming. W is not our prez.
That means there has been a coup. We dont really know who is in charge of our country, but their initials are SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY.
You people can blog lite all you want. I need disciples. I need volunteers. I am declaring myself the American Polling Emperor….APE!
We are going to expose W’s fraud, persectute all responsible parties, prosecute all irresponsible parties, and take back america.
If you want to stay puppets of the Saudis, then dont join my new organization, ‘Merica Only No Kaliphs Emirs Yes Sirree (MONKEYS).
Who’s with me? LETS DO IT!!!
By Goldie
August 1, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this
“Besides, the subject matter bores me, you libs are welcome to split hairs all you want, I could care less what country we are killing the zipperhead suicide bombers in”
Yes, Bill Orally couldn’t care less that we’ve chosen Iraq as our battleground, where the suicide bombers are Sunni vs. Shia killing each other. Never mind that it has very little to do with Bush’s “war on terrrrr” — approx. 8-10% of the bombs are caused by “zipperheads”… the other 92% is a sectarian civil war.
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this
Yes Steve-0, You have a point about Zidane, and he can teach the kids that when other players insult their sisters or mothers they can just bash them with their heads! Just kidding.
Beckham is a good as anybody, Zidane might have been cheaper since he’d already retired. But, Becks fits right in with the celebrity addiction we have in this country and his wife is well, Posh.
But, your right about RW. Why bother, what does he know anyway, 20 players on a “field.” Pulease!
Your other comment cracked me up. LOL!
GREAT point about the Iraqi soccer team!
Paul! It’s “PITCH,” “PITCH” man, not “FIELD!”
American kids are a bunch of fruit roll, Cheetos eating fat asses and need to run around a “pitch” more often. Good point.
By Paul
August 1, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this
Lots of questions about “what’s the mission” or “what’s victory.”
Here’s one analyst’s take - it’s towards the end of page 2.
Link: NYT publishes Iraq’s improving
Bosch
Good catch (another sports metaphor!). Now we can say “pitch” as others know what it describes. Can you imagine the confusion if “pitch” had been used in the original post? “You like a sport where the kids run around in the air on a baseball thrown by a guy on a mound?!!?”
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this
Ware: Surge Is Undermining ‘The Very Government That America Created’
By bon scott
August 1, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
Nearly all of you are wrong about Murdoch. His political agenda is secondary to his primary objective, which is building the world’s biggest media empire while making tons of money at it.
Let’s step into the “wayback machine” to two years ago when the Times of London (Murdoch owned) broke the “Downing Street Minutes” story, summing up a secret memo written after a meeting between high ranking officials of then British Prime Minister Blair’s government at those from President Bush. It concluded that the Bush administration was “fixing the facts (on WMDs) to justify the policy” of invading Iraq. i. e. Bush reps were lying.
Did heads roll at the Times of London? Was there a published correction or retraction? Nope, nope, and nope. The Times makes money, and that’s all Rupert cares about. Hey, he’s the guy behind “The Simpsons” and “Married… with Children.” Not exactly metaphors for the stable American family.
I predict the WSJ will maintain both it’s responsible news department and it’s psycho right wing editorial department, even if it costs him some bucks. It’ll have tremendous synergy with his “Fox Business Channel”, set to launch in October. Watch out CNBC.
Andy, your comparison of the NY Post to the AJC shows you’ve never read the Post, which is an anomoly in the Murdoch empire. It barely breaks even. He just wants a working man’s paper in the nation’s biggest city. An ego thing. The only other US paper he’s ever bought was the Chicago Sun-Times in ‘84 or so, and he sold it within a year. If he could get away with it, he’d put a page 3 girl in the Post, like in his UK based Sun (a bare breasted bimbo invariably described as an “aspiring actress.)”
Bosch and Sammi, I’ve always heard that IMHO translates into “In my HUMBLE opinion. Minor point. You could be right. Keep up the good work.
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this
McCain And Cheney Use O’Hanlon-Pollack Op-Ed To Justify Continuing Escalation
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this
Mainstream Media Catapult O’Hanlon And Pollack’s Pro-Escalation Propaganda
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
August 1, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
You are the best useful idiot that the President could ever hope for! Keep up the good work. I’m sure your parents were the same useful idiots for Nixon when he privatly said that the war was lost but publicly continued the war and pressured the Congress to fund it. If we can just keep useful idiots like you in line then we can keep this Iraq War in the air until the people elect leaders to pull us out so that you can say victory was at hand.
Tips on staying a useful idiot:
1) Never ask how our military can win a political battle in the Iraqi Parliment.
2) Never question whether progress can be had while the people that need to be making the progress are on vacation.
3) Never worry about the fact that the Iraqi politicians are taking a month off because its hot, but our troops keep working and dying in the heat
4) Never worry about the fact that if Iraq is ever going to protect itself from its enemies that we are going to have to give them weaponry that will exceed that which they had before and may end up used against the troops or fall into the hands of terrorists
5) Never worry about the fact that whether we stay 5, 10, 20, 50 years that the day we leave there will be a battle of Shia and Sunni funded by the Saudis and the Iranians for control of that country
6) Never worry that it will cost the tax payers 1 billion dollars and thousands of dead and wounded troops simply to protect Bush from having to face the failure of Iraq while still in office
7) Never worry that these men and women in uniform died, in part, because you were too stupid to see that there was no victory to be had in Iraq before the mission began
8) Never concern yourself with Reagan’s repeated insistence that the military should never be sent into battle without a clear, achievable goal and an exit strategy
If you follow these tips you will remain a completely brain dead useful idiot long enough for Bush to pass this off the a Democratic President. It’s what I’m planning on.
RWNJIFG
By Dusty
August 1, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this
Musty@11:36,
You are hardly worth replying too. But since most are your guesses are wrong, why not?
I don’t have a pool. I do have a bird bath. I don’t swim in it.
Majority rules at the ballot box. We are not into brain washing so freedom of speech is our own opinion, not just what the majority or anybody else wants us to say.
When you use freedom of speech to aid the enemy during wartime, it is called something else, the nicest being propaganda for the enemy. How far you want to carry that is up to you and the law.
I prefer to support our country without having to explain it. That is NOT politically correct. You are supposed to say nice things about any and every whacko (open minded), moral and ethics should not affect your decisions (let it all hang out). The “sagacity of celebrities” is prominent, and many in academe have shifted to far left instruction instead of enriching the mind.
As the old expressions goes, “Never call a spade a spade.” It is all kum-ba-ya.
Anyway, musty, we disagree. “Left is left and right is right and never the twain shall meet”. So it seems.
By N-GA
August 1, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this
Paul & Steve-O,
I think you will recall that American Soccer tried the “Personality” tactic years ago with Pele. It didn’t work back then. Perhaps the time is right? Probably not, IMO.
I personally don’t care for Murdoch. But I must admit that sensationalism is what really sells. It appeals to the LCD of society.
Murdoch will cater to whatever political group that furthers his agenda - to whit, think PRC.
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
August 1, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
Dusty says, “When you use freedom of speech to aid the enemy during wartime, it is called something else.”
Does it have to be your purpose to aid the enemy or can that just be a happenstance result? Or does the difference even matter?
Should we have an election during wartime? It would seem to me that if we are going to have candidates debating the war in this election cycle that those statements could be used by the enemy.
Should the elections be cancelled?
Should only pro-war candidates be allowed to run?
Should we jail people who do polling? I can see Bin Laden using Bush’s approval rating as propaganda. In fact, Bush’s 28% rating may be very good proaganda.
Should people who conduct polls or report the results be determined to be enemy combatants and locked away?
Should people who say to a pollster that they don’t approve of the President knowing that their answer could be compiled with others to result in a number that is a propaganda tool, be put in prison?
In a time of war you are likely to have press, media types, bloggers, opinion columnists etc… say things against the President. These things are easily accessible to the enemy. Should we suspend free speech until the war is over?
Do not suggest that your response does not logically lead to the conclusion that your answer to each of these questions is “yes.”
Of course, you are right in each response, but I’d like to see if you are willing to own it like I am.
RWNJIFG
By @@
August 1, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this
Geopolitical strategies has become fascinating to me. It’s as if the world is a chess board with the only pieces on it being kings and knights.
Debbie’s first link (PDF) was an interesting history of Pakistan/India relations. Page 30 made me go hmmmmm.
One article, one opinion piece I read this morning in a Pakistani paper. Bhutto and Musharraf didn’t talk directly to discuss a power sharing alliance in the interest of Pakistan. Instead they had interlocutors do it for them.
Precondition of a Musharraf/Bhutto alliance. Ditch the uniform Perez. He wanted time to put his people in place in the military. Now the message to Bhutto.
Therefore, it is supposed, given the presidency’s statement about indirect contacts, that the ISI chief might have discussed with Benazir, in the words of the spokesman, the “fight against militancy, extremism and terrorism and holding of free and fair general elections”
(((In view of the presidency’s declaration, it is quite possible that top UAE leaders, present on the occasion, also worked as “indirect contacts” between Musharraf and Benazir.)))
Off to China, the country my Dad, career military man said should be closely watched.
I asked my husband the other day if I should be worried about China nuking us. His response was “Who would buy their bras?”
Opinion piece.
By raisedanidiot
August 1, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this
Dusty @11:19 I’m for those generalities also and I make the personal choice to support the country visibly and verbably, extend justice to our troops by supporting them, and I choose the American way of supporting the country, not the enemy’s evil intentions
Dust ball - you make me laugh at almost every post, but this one was classic! Please, do expound your Dustiness, how do you visibly support our troops? Are you involved with a particular relief organization, do you write a homesick soldier letters of encouragement? Please inspire us all with your story of patriotic courage and sacrifice for our troops…listen up people, this should be good :)
By @@
August 1, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this
Musty @ 11:36:
(((@@ stops by on the way to the kiddie pool to lob the first insult of the day. Some of us can start our day with coffee; some folks just gotta be a jerk first thing!)))
‘Ya know, I visit here AND Wooten’s everyday. Mine AND Dusty’s names are among the first mentioned “in passing” (know what I mean) posted by…? I never bothered to notice who likes to talk about us.
I don’t bring it up either.
Now I’M out to the pool.
By Paul
August 1, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this
N-GA 12:55
Ah, but Americans are now much more enamored of celebrity! New definition for “optimist”: one who thinks soccer has a real chance in America.
Murdoch: others think “conservative conspiracy/mind control.” Murdoch thinks “$$$$$$.”
Off topic: your “LCD” (lowest common denominator) jogged my memory regarding the other definition, LCD as in hi-def. If you enjoy movies on DVD, you may want to check out oppodigital.com. Upscaling DVD players (DVDs are 480p, hi-def sets are 720p or 1080p native resolution). They are excellent at upscaling to the native format. Cnet highly recommended them. Faroudja scaler. Prices are under $225 or so. Rated almost as good as a $700 Denon. Noticeable, incredible difference. Even on a high-end hi-def set.
Yeah, they’re Chinese. Go figure.
By @@
August 1, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this
and for your information Moo-sty, I had two cups of coffee before I was a jerk.
By steve-o
August 1, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this
Paul @ 11:56,
Right on my brother. Just make sure you say “pitch” instead of “field” next time. ;)
N-GA,
The “personality” thing actually worked in that it attracted more American youth to play soccer. As the kids have grown and matured, we have made it to 5 consecutive World Cup Finals tournaments, which was unthinkable before that. Ultimately, what killed that professional league, NASL, was financial mismanagement. A true pity indeed.
By w00t
August 1, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this
Dusty supports the troops by wishing we kill more terrurusts.
In the mean time we undermined the very government we built there by arming Sunni militias that hate AQI terrurusts, but at the same time hate the Government we built.
In the mean time, we have to stay longer because of the circle jerk we created, which in turn gets more of our troops killed.
Basically, Dusty supports the troops by wishing more of them were killed.
Oh, yeah, and ignore the weapon deals we just made to each side, who, I might add, are mortal enemies of one another’s.
The Pre and post war planning was AWESOME! HIGH-FIVE Bush team!
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this
RWNJIFG
YOU ARE ONE OF MY HEROS
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this
US cannot account for 190,000 guns in Iraq: report
By DebbieDoRight
August 1, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this
Speaking of Diebold…..
TALLAHASSEE — Computer hackers can change election results on certain voting machines used in 25 Florida counties and not leave a trace, according to Florida’s secretary of state, who has given Diebold Election Systems until Aug. 17 to fix the problem or lose the right to operate in the state.
By Dusty
August 1, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this
Aw gee, right wing Nut Job is on the loose again. I will reply to his 12:48 manifesto. But first, in reply to the insults:
Better to be an idiot for Bush than a “stoolie” for Osama. OK..we move on to the Question and answer show as scrambled by RWNJIFG…
1—nonsensible question of improbable situation…only possible answer= DUH! 2—reference to Iraqi Congress. Have you ever heard of talking to the people at home, laptops, telephones? These people are not living in caves. Are YOU still using two cans and a string for a telephone?. 3-see answer #2 4—We are helping Iraqis make a decent country for themselves, not a base for terrorism against the world. 5—We leave when Iraqis are in control of their country. Then it is pretty much up to them. 6—Wars are usually expensive in all ways. Bush did not create 9/11, Osama or Saddam. Did you forget? 7—As mentioned, wars cost lives. If you are too afraid to fight, just say so. Our troops are not afraid. 8—President Reagan is dead in case you haven’t noticed. This is now.The exit strategy and goal is to win. That’s spelled W-I-N.
As to party plans for 2008, you are a bit premature. But.. buy lots of black crepe and Kleenex for the loser liberals.
By Shawny
August 1, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this
Out of 419 House reps voting for more disclosure in earmarks, only 8 voted against it, including John “Abscam” Murtha…wonder why?
By RW-(the original)
August 1, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this
Passing through I thought I’d drop this off for the Euroweenie soccer fans on the board. Actually maybe only non soccer fans should open this link. It does have the sign Paul referenced.
Bench it like Beckham
Gotta love this one reader comment:
{{{{{Can someone please tell me why he came here. No one here likes soccer. It is your guys sport which is just fine with us. It is not even the 5th top professional sport in the United States. 1) Football 2) Baseball 3) Basketball 4) Hockey 5)… NASCAR (maybe)
No one cares. He should go back to a country where people like it.
That is not to say that all of the immigrants do not like soccer, but they only care about soccer in their home countries. It is a nationalistic thing not a sport thing.
Jim C., New York, USA}}}}}CU all @ happy hour!
By mm
August 1, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
Concerning your lame replies to RWNJIFG’s questions, #6 stands out as particularly pathetic. It’s been proven as fact that Saddam had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or 9/11. Can’t you comprehend this?
By MUSTY
August 1, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this
I can’t believe how unappreciated I am!
I casually pop in to give a review and I am ATTACKED! These hate mongers have me more scared than a young republican In a recruiter’s office!
Pau defends his dancing like he was Jerry Springer on dancing with the stars. A funny little “what’s wrong with inconsistencies” tango in the absolutely wrong direction. That’s what happens when you dance with 2 right feet!
Dusty says I’m hardly worth responding to, and I breathe a sigh of relief. Then she contradicts herself and replies anyway. She wants to support our country but Without any explanation. Does that surprise anybody? There is no explanation for Dusty. Teachers are really far left. So Gazillionaires are really far right. So what does all that nonsense you spew really mean? OH GOD! The mental picture of your Dimply size 16 cheeks in the birdbath could scare children! Love that shout out to the African American community – As the old expressions goes, “Never call a spade a spade.” It is all kum-ba-ya..
@@ has a surprising attitude. “”Ya know, I visit here AND Wooten’s everyday. Mine AND Dusty’s names are among the first mentioned “in passing” (know what I mean) posted by…? I never bothered to notice who likes to talk about us.”” Anybody smell paronoia? Nobody better tell her about warrantless wire tapping. If she thinks we are talking about her and they are spying on her – there is no telling how much of her leftover gray matter will come sliding out her ears! Maybe you better go de-caf.
I think I deserve a quick 18 now!
Well Said.
GFY
Off to the pool.
Duh is for Duh and CON is for RepubliCON.
I am so right!
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
August 1, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this
Dusty says: “Better to be an idiot for Bush than a “stoolie” for Osama.”
Yes, those are the only 2 choices and you’ve picked the former. Let me tell you: you are great at it. You are an artist of stupidity.
I’m glad that you have taken my advice on how to remain a useful idiot. Your responses tell me that your idiocy is not unlike a raging river that will never run dry.
RWNJIFG
By Paul
August 1, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this
Musty
Gotta be a hard left Lib. First sentence is all about you. Followed by plays on names, talking about personalities vs issues, don’t provide specifics to support general statements.
So predictable.
RW-(the original)
I am shocked, I tell you, shocked and appalled! NASCAR - not even in the top five?!!? Uhhh, maybe in second place after NFL football in tv viewers? A true southerner oughta know that!
BTW - I think NASCAR’s mindnumbingly boring. But a lot of people really like it. Something to do with the beer, I believe.
By Dusty
August 1, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
Well, I see raidedanidiot is still hanging around at 1:13. And nosey as ever. But…. so glad she enjoyed my post! (She lies!)
Dear heart, my humanitarian efforts are directed to Darfur at the moment. I will be glad to give you the name and address of two agencies if you care to contribute. One is for food and supplies. The other is for medical aid. Both groups are well known.
As to troop support,I keep up personal military contact through the sons of my minister. Both are serving in the military and are stationed in Iraq.
Now I would never disgrace them or any other of our troops by posting nonsupportive words like “We are losing. Americans are torturers. We have no business in Iraq. There were no terrorists in Iraq and no WMDs. Cut’n’run!!! The surge is not working!!”
So, there you have it. Now run along, ra—idiot and talk to Bosch. He will give you a pat on the head for your troubles. Oh, and tell him there is a Sports blog and he and all the other six people in the USA that like soccer can have a big confab there. OK???
By w00t
August 1, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
Dusty, Bahgdad gets less than one hour of electricity. They might as well be living in a cave.
Thanks for playing.
By AmVet
August 1, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
Good afternoon all!
I note with some interest that there are a few “football” fans here.
Let me preface my comments by saying I know little about soccer, but wanted to share a couple of observations.
As most know, many Americans have the attention span of a gnat and that is why even our national pass time is pooh poohed so often, Too slow, too boring, etc.
Maybe because I don’t find that to be the case at all, I think soccer is a pretty cool game.
I remember one match (again forgive any ignorance in terms, etc - I’m a novice!) where I believe it was Milan and Barcelona were playing. And for about 10 minutes, believe it or not, it was just scintillating action. It was like hockey on a pitch!
Pass, pass, pass, shoot! Then the other team would immediately recover and get the ball and the same thing would happen - great breakout passes, incredible touch, bounce pass, a header - GGGGOOOOAAAALLLL! And back and forth it went.
Granted this happens very rarely, but if I wasn’t before, I was hooked. (BTW I was stationed in England years ago and was always mildly interested in the FA Cup. And very cool team names!)
In light of the thuggery in major American professional sports, especially the NFL and NBA, I find “football” a nice change.
By ed lorenzo
August 1, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this
Overheard at Mike Mullen’s Home. Adm. Michael G. Mullen, President Bush’s nominee to head the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a Senate panel yesterday that the war in Iraq is taking a heavy toll on the U.S. military, warning that American forces are “not unbreakable” and stressing the need to “plan for an eventual drawdown” of troops.
“Mike, were you out of your mind?” “What is the matter, honey?’ “How dare you deviate from the script Tony Snow sent you? You know the Pres will cook your goose the moment he reads your statements about the glorious war!” The warrior, dressed in his best golf outfit, the one that includes a pair of easy gripping Mortimer & Lee shoes, the cashmere sweater with the adjustable collar, the acrylic, alpaca and cotton blend shirt and the Robinson and Son trousers tailored from Indonesian gabardine with Ukrainian lining and reversible security pockets, laughed out loud. He replied: “Never mind sweetheart. Petraeus will be joining me in September, same as Pace, same as Morgan, Smith, Perelman, Shinsetku, Abigail, Portman, Lee, Rumsfeld, Sears, Lacey, Roebuck… “
By ed lorenzo
August 1, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this
Overheard at Mike Mullen’s Home. Adm. Michael G. Mullen, President Bush’s nominee to head the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a Senate panel yesterday that the war in Iraq is taking a heavy toll on the U.S. military, warning that American forces are “not unbreakable” and stressing the need to “plan for an eventual drawdown” of troops.
“Mike, were you out of your mind?” “What is the matter, honey?’ “How dare you deviate from the script Tony Snow sent you? You know the Pres will cook your goose the moment he reads your statements about the glorious war!” The warrior, dressed in his best golf outfit, the one that includes a pair of easy gripping Mortimer & Lee shoes, the cashmere sweater with the adjustable collar, the acrylic, alpaca and cotton blend shirt and the Robinson and Son trousers tailored from Indonesian gabardine with Ukrainian lining and reversible security pockets, laughed out loud. He replied: “Never mind sweetheart. Petraeus will be joining me in September, same as Pace, same as Morgan, Smith, Perelman, Shinsetku, Abigail, Portman, Lee, Rumsfeld, Sears, Lacey, Roebuck… “
By ed lorenzo
August 1, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this
Overheard at Mike Mullen’s Home. Adm. Michael G. Mullen, President Bush’s nominee to head the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a Senate panel yesterday that the war in Iraq is taking a heavy toll on the U.S. military, warning that American forces are “not unbreakable” and stressing the need to “plan for an eventual drawdown” of troops.
“Mike, were you out of your mind?” “What is the matter, honey?’ “How dare you deviate from the script Tony Snow sent you? You know the Pres will cook your goose the moment he reads your statements about the glorious war!” The warrior, dressed in his best golf outfit, the one that includes a pair of easy gripping Mortimer & Lee shoes, the cashmere sweater with the adjustable collar, the acrylic, alpaca and cotton blend shirt and the Robinson and Son trousers tailored from Indonesian gabardine with Ukrainian lining and reversible security pockets, laughed out loud. He replied: “Never mind sweetheart. Petraeus will be joining me in September, same as Pace, same as Morgan, Smith, Perelman, Shinsetku, Abigail, Portman, Lee, Rumsfeld, Sears, Lacey, Roebuck… “
By raisedanidiot
August 1, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
Dust ball @2:35 -Now I would never disgrace them or any other of our troops by posting nonsupportive words like “We are losing. Americans are torturers. We have no business in Iraq. There were no terrorists in Iraq and no WMDs. Cut’n’run!!! The surge is not working!!”
Dust ball, I’m so proud of you for actually giving some thought to my question. Congratulations on knowing someone who is fighting in Iraq…I doubt anyone posting on this blog DOESN’T know someone serving in some capacity. Your preacher’s sons are gonna really be p** when they find out you’ve been lieing to them all this time. Why is it so difficult for you to comprehend that supporting the troops and supporting an illegal war are two different concepts? Try giving that some thought…don’t blow a fuse or anything, I know two thougts in one day may be exhaustive.
By MUSTY
August 1, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this
Get with the sarcasm you people!
By Gary
August 1, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this
This AM I watched Isakson, Bond, Graham on the Senate floor speaking of “Iraq is a success”…”we are really beginning to make firm progress in Iraq”…”we can plainly se the surge is working….” “We must not retreat and defeat”…”we are truly forming a democracy there….” And much more. It is almost, but not quite, incomprehensible that we have such immoral, unethical, ignorant, intrinsically evil peaople in our government at this point in time. To say nothing of the filth who support them - and may even possibly believe them.
By Dusty
August 1, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this
Getting late..
Right Wing Nut Job,
Take your meds, baby. It is going to be all right.
raisedanidiot,
Whatsa matter? Didn’t you get a pat on the head? Must be some misunderstanding. I am NOT a liberal. I do not lie. That covers that. (Oh yeah, have YOU helped Darfur???)
musty,
Good try at bigotry. “Never call a spade a spade” is a universal expression probably based on “bridge” or poker. Now, go back to your caddy job at the golf course.
mm,
How’s your reading comprehension these days? I said “Bush did not create Saddam.” From that you got WHAT???
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this
AmVet, Yes, soccer is non-stop action, and strategy of pure wit and skill, that is the beauty of it. No pads (except shin guards). Hell, the clock doesn’t even stop. If someone gets hurt, they lay there until they either a) get up or b) carried off the field (which is rare). No time-outs (time-out is for wimps).
Unless you’ve ever played, very few appreciate just how hard it is to control the ball, and soccer players are the fastest in the world - our football players are nothing compared to soccer players. They run fast in one direction, soccer players have to run equally as fast, stop on a dime, and change directions in a fraction of a second.
Aw, the beautiful game, AmVet, I’m like you with baseball, it is very close to a religion!
Football (soccer) has it’s thugs too, that’s for sure, but soccer players would definitely know better than to flip off their fans. They would be murdered in their sleep! :-) One thing that is horribly dangerous to one’s health is to really p** off a soccer fan.
By @@
August 1, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this
Holy crappoli. I drop in for a read on the tail-end and I find “YOU GUYS” debating “fookball” either/or.
Running…running…running marathons, now there’s a schnoozer. The only moment of excitement is when the runner douses himself with a cup of cold water. I get excited just thinking about dousing all “YOU GUYS” talking about fookball, either/or.
I am, at this very moment wearing a bandana that looks exactly like the one the Beckham protester is wearing. I’m out to “weed eat”….SPLASH!!!!
By N-GA
August 1, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Beer is simply an enabler for NASCAR fans. It is the gladiator/blood sport of our times. Can you imagine how far society has sunk when it gets its collective rocks off on blood, cheating and getting drunk on the Sabbath?
Have you visited Total Wine & More yet? It opened last week on Barrett Pkwy. 22,000 Sq Ft (primarily wine, but good selection of beers & spirits. Not as good as some online stores, but still good selection & pricing.
Were you able to get a copy of The Messiah of Morris Avenue?
By AmVet
August 1, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
Bosch, I did presume that soccer had its share of thuggery too.
I remember one night in Ipswich a few of us were walking down the sidewalk and out of a pub come a dozen or more obviously drunk guys singing football songs. Though my friends and I can all handle ourselves quite well, we knew better than to even get near those blokes!
Do they also have steroid and HGH scandals? And the “fixing” of games by refs and managers?
And though I admittedly don’t follow the game much, I do know there is much hoopla regarding Beckham coming here.
Isn’t this kinda like ARod going to play for a Triple A team? I thought the competition in this country was paltry to say the least compared with Europe and elsewhere.
Also is world soccer in danger of following American pro sports in that prima donna players who have no integrity for the game are revered anyway?
By raisedanidiot
August 1, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this
Dust ball - soooooooooooo, I gather you DON’T know the difference between support for the troops vs. support for an idiotic war…not surprising. Maybe since you’ve used up your thought dust for today you can revisit that thought tomorrow. And yes, dust ball, I have many humanitarian interests…none of which I feel compelled to reveal to you…you don’t seem to grasp compassion well anyway. I would have thought since you are constantly squawking, “support the troops, support the troops!” that you would at least be actively participating in USO, ASU, Soldiers Angel Foundation, or Something! I don’t think you can call shaking the preacher’s hand after church and commenting on how sorry you are his boys are dodging bullets supporting the troops any more than you can call posting an opposing opinion on the war on a blog non-supportive. Life is not as simple as it seems sitting on a comfy pew on a Sunday morning. Life asks hard questions and there are no simple cut n paste answers. THINK! QUESTION! DISCERN!
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this
AmVet, There was a huge scandal last year about players and refs fixing games in Italy. That’s why it killed me when Italy won the World Cup, because most of the players on the Italian team all played for club teams that were involved in that scandal.
I think all professional sports have their steroid scandals, but soccer is so much of a team sport, one player having a physical advantage (which, in my opinion, is the reason for taking steroids) wouldn’t make much of a difference. But I’m sure it happens.
Beckham coming to America is huge here, but not such a big deal globally. He is the most recognized football player in the world, but he’s over the hill as far as a player. He still has a few years left in him here in the States, but in Europe, he’s old news. Him leaving Europe isn’t much of a heartbreak for most fans (except maybe the lady fans)!
Professional American soccer players can still walk down the street and no one knows who they are, so, again, in my opinion, there aren’t any prima donnas, but again, in all professional sports, there is that potential. Any occupation where you make millions to kick, throw, or dribble a ball gives the person a sense of too much self importance.
American players are all working to play in Europe where they can earn huge salaries. Very few Americans have made it in leagues such as Germany’s Bundesliega or the English Premiere Leagues. That will take a few more years.
My love for the game is strictly based on the flow of the game and the incredible precision required. The more you watch the game, the better your appreciation will be. And another way to really appreciate the game, is to simply dribble a soccer ball around in a park, you’ll see exactly how hard it is to control it.
I never really appreciated tennis too much until I tried to play it, I always thought, how hard can that be? You hit a ball with a racket across a net? And then I quickly understood, and now I watch tennis with complete awe.
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this
The big difference between left and right is not in their wishes for a peaceful Iraq, it’s in acceptance of reality even when that reality is unpleasant. Unfortunately, there’s a big difference between what we wish for Iraq, and what’s really happening in Iraq
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this
Oh, another thing AmVet - You and your friends were smart to not mess with drunk soccer hooligans. Those b******* fight dirty, with pipes and clubs, they don’t need guns! :-)
Thugs like Vick wouldn’t last a week in Europe or South America (or anywhere else in the world) with his attitude.
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
August 1, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this
Raiseanidiot says: “Life asks hard questions and there are no simple cut n paste answers. THINK! QUESTION! DISCERN!”
Clearly you aren’t paying attention. The answers ARE easy. The right answers are those that are told to you. You libs’ problem is you do to much thinking and not enough listening. Do you think the founding fathers sat around and thought? Of course not. They rebelled simply because they had no real powerful centralized government to tell them what and how to think. King George was just too, I dunno, liberal, I guess would be the word. So the founding fathers had to form a new Government that installed a President who was infallible, could not be questioned and would have ultimate power over the citizens. His job is to tell you what to think and what not to think.
This idea that people should think leads to problems that we have today. Do you think that Bush would be at 28% if people quit thinking? No. He’d be in the high 90’s. Would our enemies be emboldened by Bush’s paltry numbers if we quit thinking? Of course not. They’d see one blindly stupid monolith supporting their President. Can you imagine facing a country of 300 million Dusty’s? It would be awfully scary wouldn’t it?
So Dusty has it right. Don’t even attempt to think. Just blindly support the President and everything will be ok.
It’s what the founders fought and died for. Don’t make their sacrifice be in vain by thinking for yourself.
Just remember that every independent thought makes the enemy stronger.
RWNJIFG
By Paul
August 1, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
N-GA
I’ve an inlaw who’s a NASCAR fan. Bigtime. You’re right - the beer thing goes along with it. I discuss anything else. Same with religion. I don’t even discuss beer - the gap between Miller Light and Chamay is just too great.
Yes, I have - but it got placed aside on the 21st when my latest Harry Potter arrived. Mythic themes. Good and evil. Self struggle. Alliances and self sacrifice for the greater good. Wonderful stories.
Bosch
Years ago I took a badminton course for phys ed credit (it was a no-brainer - lots more girls per class). One day a guy was on the court bouncing the birdie on his racket. A couple of serious tennis players walked by and made disparaging comments about his ability and manhood. He didn’t say anything, just tossed a couple rackets at them. He then proceeded to serve - when the birdies weren’t bouncing off their heads the guys were flailing at them. Didn’t last a minute. He never said a word as they skulked off. It was great.
By Goldie
August 1, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this
Romney says he wants to add another 100,000 American troops to help the “surge” in Iraq — where does he think these additional troops will come from, when even no one in his own family is willing to join up and fight for his “surge”? Why doesn’t he even listen when the Pentagon is saying that our military is at its breaking point because of the disaster in Iraq?
Adm. Michael G. Mullen, President Bush’s nominee to head the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a Senate panel yesterday that the war in Iraq is taking a heavy toll on the U.S. military, warning that American forces are “not unbreakable” and stressing the need to “plan for an eventual drawdown” of troops.
By Goldie
August 1, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this
{{The right answers are those that are told to you. You libs’ problem is you do to much thinking and not enough listening. Do you think the founding fathers sat around and thought?}}
Thanks, Nut Job — you’re quite the historian, aren’t you?
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this
If Harriet Miers continues in her lawless disregard of regularly issued legal process (the subpoena) The House can have the Sgt. at Arms arrest her and bring her to the well of the floor of the House where she will receive a trial –IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ITSELF– and if found guilty of contempt at that trial she can be held in jail as a civil contemnor until the first of two triggering events: 1) she purges herself of her contempt (like Judy Miller, she would “hold the keys to her own jail cell” and would be released as soon as she agreed to testify fully and truthfully) or 2) the term of the Congress which imprisoned her expired.
By Dusty
August 1, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this
Oh dear,
RWNJ took his meds and now he can quote me with words I never said. Ah, the toughness of telling the truth. You ought to try it sometimes, RWNJ
raisedanidiot,
Does your fantasizing also come from meds? By the way, did you say you were contributing to Darfur???? Oh that? What? Who?
Sweet soccer sycophants,
If you go back to home page, you will find little blue blocks at the top. One of them says “sports”. Now …if you move the arrow to that word and click your mouse..VOILA!..sports news, blogs and all the joys of your life.. They might even mention soccer or bouncing balls off your head or some exciting soccer special. TRY IT!!
YOU’LL LIKE IT!!
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this
Paul, Oh, that badminton story was funny. That’s hilarious.
I read all but the few last chapters of the last HP book in one 14 hour sitting. We bought four copies of the last book just to keep family peace.
By AmVet
August 1, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this
Goldie, I have the answer to your question at 4:16. And it is spelled C-O-N-S-C-R-I-P-T-I-O-N.
Bring back the draft and watch the “hawks” scatter like cockroaches when you turn the light on.
Bush would have his hands full, “securing” the Canadian border, if you get my drift!
That and arranging for openings in the Texas ANG!
ON TO VICTORY!!!
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this
Dusty, If you go to this website you may be able to talk to people who are about the same intelligence level as you, although, some maybe at a higher level.
By Lord Help Us
August 1, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this
Harsh realities from the ground in Iraq:
MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: “Well, Anderson, there is progress. And that’s indisputable. Sectarian violence is down in certain pockets. There are areas of great instability in this country. They’re at last finding some stability.
The point, though, is, at what price? What we’re seeing is — is, to a degree, some sleight of hand. What America needs to come clean about is that it’s achieving these successes by cutting deals primarily with its enemies. We have all heard the administration praise the work of the tribal sheiks in turning against al Qaeda. Well, this is just a euphemism for the Sunni insurgency. That’s who has turned against al Qaeda.
And why? Because they offered America terms in 2003 to do this. And it’s taken America four years of war to come round to the Sunnis’ terms. And, principally, that means cutting the Iraqi government out of the loop. By achieving these successes, America is building Sunni militias.
Yes, they’re targeting al Qaeda, but these are also anti- government forces opposed to the very government that America created. And another thing to remember, Anderson, yes, sectarian violence is down, but let’s have a look at that. More than two million people have fled this country. Fifty thousand are still fleeing every month, according to the United Nations. So, there’s less people to be killed.
And those who stay increasingly are in ethnically cleansed neighborhoods. They have been segregated.”
A lot of stuff here that should at least make some of you cons think about the definition of ‘success…’
From what I have seen of Michael Ware, he seems to be a hard-nosed, straight shooter that gets outside the green zone more than any other reporter I have seen.
By Duh stands for Democrat
August 1, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this
{{{{By Goldie August 1, 2007 12:08 PM Yes, Bill Orally couldn’t care less that we’ve chosen Iraq as our battleground, where the suicide bombers are Sunni vs. Shia killing each other. Never mind that it has very little to do with Bush’s “war on terrrrr” — approx. 8-10% of the bombs are caused by “zipperheads”… the other 92% is a sectarian civil war.}}}}
Huh, and here I thought you libs read the National Intelligence Estimate, I guess you just picked through the parts you liked:
{{{{He estimated 90 percent of suicide bombers in Iraq were foreigners and while the mix of nationalities changed, some 85 to 90 percent of them crossed over from Syria.}}}}
Duh.
By Paul
August 1, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this
Goldie
Another reason why I trust he won’t be nominated, current poll standings notwithstanding. All I can guess is he “looks” Presidential. Americans love appearances. Then again, there are some good things to be said regarding Massachusetts health care - Rudy’s coming across a bit too negative on that, I think.
AmVet
I certainly, certainly hope not. Government coercion at its worst. Redeploying troops from around the world back to the US, massive reorganization, reducing duplicate headquarters and senior staff might just free up enough spaces and dollars to do it. That, and cancelling some major weapons systems like Rumsfeld wanted (had to have a little fun with this post) -
By Duh stands for Democrat
August 1, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this
{{{{By Lord Help Us August 1, 2007 4:28 PM Harsh realities from the ground in Iraq: MICHAEL WARE, CNN CORRESPONDENT}}}}
Uh yeah, a real unbiased “expert:”
Michael Ware, TIME Magazine’s Baghdad bureau chief appeared on Real Time with Bill Maher on Friday night. He called the situation in Iraq, like “watching a slow trainwreck” then goes on to tell Maher how is drinking now and that he’s drunk at the moment. He bashes Bush, says there is no good news coming from Iraq because in order to even go report he has to dodge getting blown up. Maher jumps in and compares the current status in Iraq to the Ma Lai Massacre in Vietnam.
Duh.
By CON Stands For RepubliCON
August 1, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this
Ga Rep Jack Kingston ( a big Republican) has repeatedly appeared on Bill Maher.
Crucify him!
By raisedanidiot
August 1, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this
Dusty @4:23 Does your fantasizing also come from meds? By the way, did you say you were contributing to Darfur???? Oh that? What? Who?
Dust ball - I am dangerously under-medicated…and you are not even on the right continent of our conversation. Can I get a big getalife GEEEEEZ!
By AmVet
August 1, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this
Hi Paul, I’m sure you know I’m being facetious about bringing back the draft.
And though it MAY be possible to shift enough GIs around, I thought we were already perilously low on people in order to fulfill our military missions. Which obviously includes areas other than Iraq and Afghanistan.
My point is Goldie’s point? Where in the hell are we to get these 100,000 “new” troops? Realistically.
Rumsfeld was a major (play on words there!) screw up in some ways, but I agree that he was at least smart enough to see that equipping our military in terms of the ways conflicts have been fought in the past 75 years is no longer effective.
But then IMHO, not much about this invasion has been so far.
I think this war is starting to drive us all nuts…
By Goldie
August 1, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this
DUH— I’m sure you agree with the NIE that the terrorists in Iraq were brought to there because of the disaster Bush created by invading that country? That America chose to fight terrorism in a country that had no functioning terrorist groups, and now their recruitment numbers are growing worldwide because of this disaster? Some kinda tragic situation your guy has created for America and the world now, huh?
By Bias Is Us
August 1, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this
Funny thing about bias, we all got it.
But we only like our own.
By Dusty
August 1, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this
Bosch @ 4:27,
Thank you very much for giving me a link to your favorite cartoons. Are those your favorites besides the Harry Potter books? Have you ordered the little look alike dolls yet?
I don’t care too much for fantasy and cute cartoons. But to each his own..
If you really want a good sports team, take the Braves. Now that is something to watch. Go Braves!!
By Con is for RepubliCON
August 1, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this
{{{{Savage: “You’re telling me there’s no possibility of a conspiracy by the Democrats” to cause Roberts’ seizure?}}}
That’s why we win elections.
We think nasty thoughts. Always
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
August 1, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this
Goldie: Your left wing history may suggest otherwise, but how could we wingers say the things we say if YOUR history is correct? We couldn’t. Opinions such as “keep your mouth shut during war” or “dissent is treason” would just sound really stupid if you accept the liberal notion of history that is taught in school.
I was taught in liberal institutions that the Revolution was the result of an emergence of Classical Liberalim that suggested that the only legitimate soveriegn power derived from the people and the people had the right to overthrow or abolish governments who abused their power. These liberal institutions said that the founders feared centralized power and that the founders wanted checks on power so that it wouldn’t be abused. They recognized that placing war powers in the hands of the executive would subject the people to partcipating in wars that were personal to the executive or were simply fought for reasons other than national security, i.e, to gain power.
Now how could I believe that BS history and be a Right Winger? You simply can’t. Right Wing thought is premised on authoritarianism. That authoritarianism uses faux patriotism and faux morality to manipulate the people into ingnoring the fact that all the power is being taken away and placed into the hands of corporations and the military industrial complex at the expense of average people. It pits black agaisnt white. Gay against straight. Religious against agnostic. Liberal against conservatives. It divides and conquers. It never suggests that we are all in this together. Hell no, its the good guys dragging around these heathen, traitors around who hate the flag.
It claims that they are perfect. They never make mistakes. They never question their own decisions.
Now if I’m a winger. And if being Right wing is being an authoritarian. And if being authoritarian is American then doesn’t that mean that our Founders were authoritarian too. Otherwise you could call wingers UNAMERICAN, and that couldn’t be true could it?
RWNJIFG
By Uranus
August 1, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this
From Bosch: “soccer players are the fastest in the world - our football players are nothing compared to soccer players.”
What planet are you from??
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this
Join Veterans in Writing President to Come Clean on Tillman
By IN THE NEWS
August 1, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
Not Ready for Takeoff? Can the wheels come off a wagon that hasn’t left the assembly line? That is the Jesuitical question for Fred Thompson’s campaign-in-the making as he reports to the IRS today that he raised approximately $3.4 million in the month of June.
By @@
August 1, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this
From Stratfor…
(((Among those tasks and benchmarks is achieving the buy-in of the various Iraqi factions — by force if necessary — with the Iranians responsible for the Shia and the Americans responsible for the Sunnis and Kurds. But not everyone likes what Tehran and Washington are cooking up — and this leads to various, shall we say, objections. Some powers object by challenging the prime minister, others by threatening secession, yet others by backing Kurdish militants or interfering with military operations. The jihadists object by blowing up cheering soccer fans.
Chaos in Iraq is to be expected — not because it is a failed state (although it is) but because everything is up in the air, and a new political and military reality is being imposed by outsiders. Rebellion, violence, institutional failure and confusion are all natural byproducts.
Which means that “progress” — such as it is in Iraq — is now not only largely out of the hands of the Iraqis, but also largely outside of Iraq itself. The country’s future can no longer be ascertained by reading the local smoke signals, but only by looking at the wider region.)))
Was the Ayatollah Meshkini’s death by natural causes? J/K, it was. Very timely nonetheless.
R.I.P. Ayatollah blah blah blah blah Meshkini. Good heavens, the names on those guys.
By Paul
August 1, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this
AmVet 4:42
Whew! Thanks for clarifying. Interesting point on “enough” people. For years we gave defense enough money to fight two wars at the same time. Then it was one and a half (half war?). Then it was a couple of major regional conflicts. Now we see one sustained conflict and we’re “broke.” Okay, so it was a budgeting game. But now we have reality. Air Guard units are taking massive cuts - to plus up the active Army. Same true with other services, I imagine.
Still troubling - if you got’em the temptation is to use ‘em. And using ‘em means supporting the political decisions of whatever administration’s in power. Oh well, with new invasion plans being bandied about on the campaign circuit I’m sure they’ll find a use for all the new ground pounders.
By raisedanidiot
August 1, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this
RWNJIFG - some awesome posts today, dude!
By Dusty
August 1, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this
Right Wing Nut Job,
You are a liberal. Forget the excuses. You are one mixed up fellow who does not know WHO he is. If you want an explanation, ask your psychiatrist.
By @@
August 1, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this
Also, I visited an Iraqi blog site. Some Iraqi was talking about how he was going to work everyday amidst the turmoil.
What was he complaining about?
The cost of meal allowances for Parliamentary members. All of them, not just Shiites.
That sounded very American to me.
By raisedanidiot
August 1, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this
RWNJIFG - See, Dust ball congratulates you on your most excellent posts too @5:05…in her own sweet way she’s saying, “you’ve relentlessly beat me into submission using only reason, logic, and truth”… Ha ha ha ha ha
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
August 1, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
I am a right wing authoritarin nut case. Just like you. If you don’t want to be like me. Fine. Be an America hating traitor lib or you could simply point out where we differ or where I am wrong. Preferably you would do so with detailed explanation, historical refernces and perhaps, dare I say it, discernable logic. You are far too often conclusory in your statements. You also avoid very salient points from your opponents and you either hide from a challenge or pick out one part of what you percieve is the weakest part of the other’s argument all the while ignoring the whole of the argument that shows you to be an utter buffoon.
The problem you have with me is that we are a lot more alike than you are comfortable with. Thus the protestations.
You may think that I am mocking you or that you are being ridiculed but neither is the case.
You are simply being exposed for what you are…and you don’t like it.
RWNJIFG
By Lord Help Us
August 1, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this
Good DUH(LL),
Making an accusation of bias by linking to a blatantly biased website called “exposetheleft.”
I am sure their credibility is uassailable…
Michael Ware makes some very good points. Do you have a rebuttal to those points…or just a link to an absurd website?
Coward…(why are you still hiding?)
By AmVet
August 1, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS, re: your 4:58
Done.
And thank you.
BTW, good web site.
By Dusty
August 1, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this
Right Wing Nut Job 5:25
You are a liberal, my friend. Your manifestations otherwise are laughable.
I am a conservative Republican. What I say is what I mean. It is known as “honesty”. No ditzy interpretations are needed. You ought to try it sometimes.
This concludes my posts to you today. Bye now.
By Duh stands for Democrat
August 1, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this
David Warren says it all:
It is a little known fact — at least, to the Western media — that the vast majority of Iraqis cannot possibly want to live under the murderous tyranny of a relatively small number of Islamist psychopaths, of foreign inspiration, and will do everything except master the art of self-government to avoid it. What has changed, over the past few years, would seem to be the popular attitude towards the future, in Iraq. It contains more fear, and is therefore easier to harness towards such specific ends as finding Islamist terrorists and annihilating them.
And that’s why we are going to win.
By RW-(the original)
August 1, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
Have you ever actually watched a soccer game or has somebody just fed you all this garbage? Most of the time half the players are standing around picking their noses since there’s nothing going on out on that big old field.
BTW, I picked up a soccer ball in the garage and it was no harder to dribble than the basketball it lives with out there. It’s a little too small to shoot accurately with it and backspin doesn’t seem to help it through the hoop. Maybe that’s why nobody ever scores until they get to the shootout.
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this
Dusty, Have you got the action figures from the fantasy book that you love? The Bible?
By @@
August 1, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this
Getalife, are you in here somewhere posting under another name?
If so, please post under Getalife.
I tend to worry when you don’t show up.
It’s a woman thing.
By The Ministry of Doom
August 1, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
The Bible is not fantasy you ignoramous. Just because you can’t wait to get to hell doesn’t mean you can belittle other people’s belief system.
Its still not to late for your redemption.
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this
RW, I’ve watched and played in many soccer games. Have you? If that’s all you get out of the game, who cares. You obviously have never played or even watched a whole game because you’d know that the game never stops, there is something going on at all times. If the players were standing around picking their noses, they wouldn’t be on the pitch.
You have to dribble the ball with your feet - hence, the name. Look, just because you don’t like the game, who cares. I certainly don’t. People who make fun of sports are usually the one who can’t play them.
I’ve played golf a few times, and I really just don’t like the game, but I certainly have respect for those that do play it which includes several of my friends and I would never stoop to insulting the professional players.
You are showing your true colors here.
By The Irony of Doom
August 1, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this
@@(Dusty),
As much as getalife disgusts me, Doom can’t believe you have the audacity to accuse him of multi ID use.
Maybe its a woman thing.
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this
Doom, I can’t go places that I don’t believe in - sorry, but if I’m wrong and do wind up in hell, I’d much prefer to be in a place where you and Dusty are not.
By @@
August 1, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this
DoomDump:
Getalife got caught posting under another name yesterday and admitted to it.
Bosch:
Do you let your emotions run away with you at times? Haven’t you professed to being an Episcopalian. Isn’t the bible relative to your denomination. Last time I checked it was.
Have you told the good father that it’s all fantasy?
By Duh, you truly are an idiot
August 1, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this
Duh,
It sounds as if the Iraqi’s are going to win. It sounds as if you were stupid enough, up until the point you read the article, to think that Al Qaeda could take over that country. It sounds to me like you think that simply because they don’t like Al Qaeda that they will like us in the end. It sounds to me like you don’t understand that what you are saying cuts against the very strategic choices you insist we make.
If you are dumb enough to believe that by invading we risked Al Qaeda taking over Iraq, but the war was still a good idea, you really ought to blow your brains out ‘cause they aren’t doing you any good.
The point of leaving isn’t to give the country over to Al Qaeda. They weren’t there before and they will be gone when we leave. The point simply is that we can’t settle a fight between Sunni and Shia that they will end up with an uncertain, albeit anti-Al Qaeda Government. If you think that Al-Qeada free governemnt is victory, hell, we had that before we went in you moron.
The problem is that we are dying over there to keep the peace between Sunni and Shia. That is not a mission that our guys should be doing. Its not a fight that can be won. It can simply be put off. We opened a Pandora’s Box of total hell and destruction for the Iraqi people and Bush is trying to hold the lid down until he escapes from Washington.
Again, you truly are stupid. Donate your brain to someone willing to use it.
GFY duh-m-azz. Hard.
By The Correction of Doom
August 1, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
Wrong. You can go whether you believe in it or not. Your response is an example of the arrogance developed from being a heathen.
Also, Doom strongly suspects that you are that punk “getalife”.
By Paul
August 1, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this
Doom
Lots of third person references. Are you sure you’re not an early reincarnation of Bob Dole?
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
August 1, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
Us Right Wing nut cases are supposed to have a bit more guts than you have shown. You are more of a coward than a liberal. Maybe liberals won’t fight a war, but they’ll at least engage in a battle of wits.
I guess you already know you are overmatched in that department.
RWNJIFG
By The Inquiry of Doom
August 1, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this
@@(Dusty),
Its good that the loser finally fessed up, now its your turn. Are you also Buy Danish and RW? We can sit here all night if you want to, inquiring minds want to know.
By RW-(the original)
August 1, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
I’m just having some fun at your expense. You’re so cute when you get frustrated.
I do seem to recall a thread a few weeks ago where you were trashing both golf and baseball which kind of contradicts your point about not insulting the professional game since you were talking about watching and there aren’t a lot of channels showing sandlot ball.
BTW, I played professional sports for 16 years, the last five right here in Atlanta. I think I know a little more about what it takes to play a sport at the highest level than you do.
By The Warning of Doom
August 1, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this
Paul,
You have managed to stay out of the path of Doom. If I were you, I’d keep it that way. Doom is no Bosch.
By Dusty
August 1, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this
bosch 6:22
Yes, I do have some figures from the Bible. It is known as a creche and I put it out at Christmas. Perhaps your wife can explain the meaning of Christmas to you. It is a most blessed time.
By The Obedience of Doom
August 1, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this
Unlike the rest of you, Doom is going to obey the rules of engagement and leave this blog at 7:00.
Goodbye morons!
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this
@@, Yes, the Bible is very important to the Episcopal denomination, but that doesn’t mean that I can’t think for myself. I like my church and I think the Bible is a great book, it’s got a lot of good life lessons in there.
My personal beliefs are just that, my own personal beliefs, I do not speak for the Episcopal Church, if you want to know what, as a whole, that denomination believes, go to their website, it will tell you there.
Believe it or not, I can claim to be a Christian without believing in hell. I know that may be a bit complicated for your head to get around, but I’m okay with that. Jesus Christ was just okay with me. My beliefs are focused around what he had to say, he spoke alot in parables, which wasn’t meant to be taken literally, his teachings were meant to bring spiritual enlightenment to everyone (at least in my opinion).
“The good father?” Do you mean Father Bosch, my dad? He’s an agnostic, so he’s not much on the “religious” talks.
By Duh stands for Democrat
August 1, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this
{{{{By Duh, you truly are an idiot August 1, 2007 6:49 PM The point simply is that we can’t settle a fight between Sunni and Shia that they will end up with an uncertain, albeit anti-Al Qaeda Government. Again, you truly are stupid. Donate your brain to someone willing to use it. GFY duh-m-azz. Hard.}}}}
Oh, so all those “peace” deals Clinton and Carter tried to broker in the Middle East were just silly stunts, eh?
Methinks that you are in shock, shock from realizing that the Iraqi people have come to find that America is really not the “enemy” that you libs make us out to be and that they would rather cooperate with us than live their lives as religious slaves and fodder for the mass murderers.
Must really suck for you libs, figuring this out.
You’ll get used to it.
By Bosch
August 1, 2007 7:13 PM | Link to this
RW, Oh, I forgot you know everything. You are the “buck stops here” for all absolutes. You know everything, about sports, about politics, about everything and no one, absolutely no one can like anything you don’t like, or have an opinion about anything that you don’t deem as worthy.
My bad.
Yes, I did say that golf and baseball and Nascar were boring, and I believe they are. And no, it doesn’t contradict what I said, because to me, they are boring. I think watching them is boring, but I didn’t insult the professional players, their skills, and what they do for a living. I didn’t say that they sit around and pick their noses for half of the game. As a professional sports figure, and player, you should be ashamed of yourself for doing that.
By RW-(the original)
August 1, 2007 7:27 PM | Link to this
Bosch,
Why don’t you get out another jug of cheap vodka and head out to the porch. You seem a little tense.