Mike Luckovich

By Bush's Colon Polyps

July 30, 2007 8:12 AM | Link to this

Hi.

We’re Andi/e, RW, @@, Dusty, and Bi Danish, the five polyps recently removed from Dumbya’s colon. Here’s what we have to say about this cartoon (and everything else for that matter):

Duh.

By Anonymous

July 30, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this

Ouch. That’s a sad cartoon, Luckovich. Well done.

By DebbieDoRight

July 30, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this

@@: Read your comments from the other day — sorry I didn’t know that you were kidding around, I thought you were attacking me and I was upset because you were attacking me and I wasn’t even on the blog, nor had I even made a comment that day.

So, sorry for the miscommunication. I will renounce calling you a drunk and a psuedo lesbian and let everyone know that I was just attacking you out of my own misconceptions of your character.

By Duh stands for Democrats

July 30, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this

{{{{Here is the most important thing Americans need to understand: We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms. As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration’s miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily “victory” but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with.-New York Times, 7/30/07.}}}}

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{{{{Even while ridiculing Obama’s position, Clinton repeatedly has ripped the president for saying “he will not talk with bad people.” Indeed, she complained, “you don’t make peace with your friends - you have to do the hard work of dealing with people you don’t agree with.” She’s even admonished Bush for refusing to deal directly with the leaders of Iran. Clearly, both candidates need to do a little more homework if they have any hope of being taken seriously on the foreign-policy front.}}}}

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{{{{If so, will there come a day when the American people, deadened by entertainment culture, are simply no longer mature enough to take seriously their civic obligations? Will we, in time, become so addicted to entertainment and pleasure that the hard work of political discourse will be beyond us? Will our attention span be so short that we start to zone out after fifteen seconds unless a talking snowman catches our attention? And what about the dignity of the office of President of the United States? In the YouTube debate, there appeared to be a lack of seriousness looming over the whole event. Presidential campaigns are becoming less and less dignified as candidates do anything and everything for attention and approval.}}}

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{{{Nazis and Communists had a liking for other progressive ideas that continue to have currency. For instance, the Nazis tried to replace Christmas with a Yule Festival (Winterval anyone?), while the Soviets preferred a fully fledged anti-Christmas with mockeries of Christianity and religion in general that would not be out of place in San Francisco, many modern art galleries, or perhaps a Dan Brown novel.}}}

By Analchord

July 30, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

What is the mission of US troops in Iraq?

Anyone.

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish, To answer your question from Friday…..”Are you willing to take responsibility for mass casualties because you dinosaurs were unwilling and unable to get with the 21st Century technology which makes FISA more often than not obsolete?

I just saw Nancy Pelosi shaking in her shoes in response to questions about Mike McConnell’s findings about the desperate need to overhaul FISA.”

FISA is an act of Congress. It’s not a government agency. If their servers are out of date, then that’s the government’s problem. Maybe Bush should use the money he’s pouring into Iraq to update servers and update the surveillance so we can keep our population safe.

Now, I could be jumping the gun here and simply inferring that what you meant by the dinosaurs not getting in with the 21st century means that the servers and other equipment aren’t up to snuff? Is that what you mean? If not, I apologize, if so then…..

Because despite what you think, I do agree with you that we should be able to read foreign terrorists emails and wiretap their phones, here in this country and abroad. The government is welcome to wiretap my phone, if they have a legal warrant. They’ll be incredibly bored. I want it done legally within the checks and balances system - you remember that, the one set up by the Constitution.

No, I don’t want mass casualties in our country. What I do want, is for the POTUS and his cronies to do what they said they would do and keep us safe against terrorist attacks, and if the servers used for surveillance aren’t up to standards? Why is that? Why haven’t they used just a fraction of the money to update simple security measures?

Maybe Pelosi was shaking in her shoes because she realized that after 7 years in office, Bush hasn’t done what he said he would do and that our Homeland isn’t so safe and secure?

Buy Danish, getting a legal warrant is not a passe’ out of fashion 20th century activity. It’s the LAW which, from last I heard was still en vogue, at least with everyone except Bush/Cheney/and Gonzales.

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this

Now for Sudan, that cartoon really upset my stomach this morning. I ate a really big breakfast this morning and now I feel really guilty.

I’ve expressed my views about this subject last week. So, what as a global society can we do to fix this?

By Analchord

July 30, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

Is it right to make light of the plight of those who fight blight day and night?

What is the mission of the Peace Corps in Darfur?

By DebbieDoRight

July 30, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this

[[I’ve expressed my views about this subject last week. So, what as a global society can we do to fix this?]]

Although I empathize with the flight of these people, I still say that no nation should go into the Sudan militarily.

However, I do think that perhaps the border countries bordering Sudan can do much more to hasten relief for the refugees by allowing AT LEAST the women and children inside their borders. Once there, the UN and other nations could set up food distribution, etc.; and the innocents in this power play can get on with killing each other off.

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

Analcord -

Target practice for Al-Qaeda.

By Analchord

July 30, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

The only solution to Darfur is to redeploy our army from Baghdad.

But we aint nevah gonna git outta Iraq.

So, we ridicule civil war refugees starving to death, AND get prizes. Africa is one big civil war. The african civil war is even older than the mesopotamian civil war, which goes back to Eden’s Eve..

Anthro-Apologists are divided about where man (and his civil wars) departed the monkey (and their panty raids) family tree.

On the evolutionary chart, man is the fourth suicide bomber/lobbyist from the left.

I think Neanderthals were hunted down and enslaved or exterminated. The evidence in caves is that we existed side by side with them, but they must have been the slaves, easily manipulated and tricked, and with attention spans of modern Gen-Xers.

So, Neanderthals were simply there as boy toys for the women while the men hunted. Thus we can be sure the women interbred with Neanderthals, thus diluting our precious bodily fluids.

Eve’s sin was with a snake alright. A one eyed snake. How could she? What a betrayal. Neanderthal cooties entered our bloodstream in the garden of eden and it was over.

That’s why she was deported.

By Analchord

July 30, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this

One thing about illegals. They were road kill like squirrels, possums, and racoons for the longest time. Every day there would be an article about some poor illegal killed by traffic. There were simply so many of them so fast, that they were physically unable to stay out of harms way.

So what do illegals think of Americans when we’ve never seen them as anything more than criminals or roadkill?

We’re about to find out.

FREE MARIA!!

By RW-(the original)

July 30, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

Glad to see nothing appears to have changed here in the luckovich cess pool other than a few moonbat(ics)® posting under new names.

Now since I would like an honest answer to this question I respectfully request that only the conservatives answer. Is there any reason for me to read over the blog for the month I was gone or is it just the same whining from libs and well thought out positions and links to stories I’ve already read from conservatives?

Blackadder errrr I mean Bosch, you might be interested in this story about the true wiretapping scandal.

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

DDR, “Although I empathize with the flight of these people, I still say that no nation should go into the Sudan militarily. “

Amen. At least not by themselves. We should learn from our mistakes.

That cartoon gives me goosebumps and sent shivers down my spine. That woman looks like “Death” but I’m sure that was Luckovich’s intent.

It is very bothersome to think that we have such an obesity problem here in this country, when there are so many who are simply starving to death, and sadly enough, there are people right here in this country that fit in this category.

How many of us here on this blog, can honestly say, “You know, I think I’m too skinny?” Probably not many.

By Duh stands for Democrats

July 30, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

RW: Pick one day from the last month, any day will do, and you have essentially read the whole month’s worth postings.

The parrots have come home to roost.

This blog has become an extension of the democrat YouTube “debate” without any of the “interesting” parts.

By @@

July 30, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

Well ml, the genocide in Sudan pulls at the very soul of my existence. Although billions of dollars in aide pour into Sudan, it can’t kill the hatred or corruption. I agree with Paul, “divest from” is the starting point, one investment at a time. International sanctions like the ones applied during apartheid.

I recently watched “Blood Diamonds” where Leonardo DiCapprio’s character was, born in South Africa during the era of Apartheid. Djimon Hounsou’s character turned to Leonardo and questioned how his people could be so cruel to one another, but dreamed that better things were to come. Leonardo’s silent response could be read in his eyes. He didn’t have the heart to tell Djimon’s character that dreams were not realities.

I can’t accept hopelessness as a solution.

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

RW, welcome back. I’m not Blackadder, he posted a week or so ago, but he’s off the scene. I post under my name, just mine.

Interesting article, but I don’t think that any article can be the absolute “truth” of anything.

But, I will say, as before, I don’t have a problem with eavesdropping on terrorist, as long as it’s legal. I’m also know that anything the government is involved with has so many road blocks to get changed that it can impede the process of getting emergency things done.

And if this statement is indeed true, “It is also clear that Mr. Gonzales, along with former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, tried to preserve that original program with the knowledge and approval of both Republican and Democratic members of key congressional committees. Unfortunately, they failed and the program was narrowed.”

Well, that is truly unfortunate, but there must have been a reason for that - remember, the Congress at the time was Republican controlled.

The real question is why did they turn it down? Was it completely political? God, I hope not, or did it have serious problems legally.

It’s kind of a Catch 22 situation.

You know, RW, I’m not the kind of person who walks the straight path all the time, there are times when I think you have to break the rules a bit, get off the path and walk on the grass sometimes. But I also truly believe in the checks and balance system set up in place by the Constitution. To go against that system, is very dangerous — maybe not as dangerous as terror cells within the country, but still dangerous.

I also believe that the media and consequently far left individuals may have blown this out of proportion. But to simply blame the “liberals” in this case just isn’t “the truth” either.

Ask yourself this question - if Bill Clinton had done this, would it have been okay with you? Seriously, and don’t come back with some BS answer like “Well, Clinton wouldn’t have had the balls to do this.” I hate to think that we have come to the point in our history, that if political parties can’t come to terms with emergency measures that are vital to our protection, there can’t be a general consensus of what to do.

By RW-(the original)

July 30, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Duh stands for Democrats,

Thanks, that’s what I figured. How ‘bout that YouTube debate? Do you think any of the candidates know how stupid they looked answering the video screen as if the person or snowman was really in there watching them?

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

DUH/Andy said, “RW: Pick one day from the last month, any day will do, and you have essentially read the whole month’s worth postings.”

Yeah, but yet Andy posts here day after day after day. If you hate us on this blog SO MUCH, then why do you come back day after day? Why don’t you go hang out with the birds you like instead of us “parrots” and moonbats?

Go fly and be free with your wingnut friends!

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 301

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Yeah, RW, I wonder how stupid the Republicans will look when it’s their turn for the YouTube debate?

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

CNN Calls Republicans’ Bluff, Reschedules YouTube Debate

By Paul

July 30, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

Bosch

I believe the issue with the servers and the current law is that if foreigner A in Iraq communicates via computer with foreigner B in Pakistan and the communication is routed through a server that happens to be in the US, under current FISA procedures the US govt must get a warrant and show probable cause as to why they should be able to eavesdrop. If the server wasn’t in the US it would not be necessary.

RW (the original)

Welcome back. Just a few interesting items - Dem Iraq withdrawal doesn’t mean “leave” - as Biden put it, it means draw down or move around within the country or region. Rep candidates haven’t enunciated much other than “stay the course but I’m not Bush.” There are a few other issues - candidates’ personalities and such, just depends on how much time you have.

Some actual discussion now that “thou shalt now criticize a fellow Democrat” has been breached. Obama fired at Hillary that her Iraq policy seems to be “Bush Cheney Lite.” Finally, some differences to evaluate.

Not much seems to be happening with the Rep candidates, other than McCain folding and a good example of “image” over “policy” appearing on the scene.

Again, hope your time off was enjoyable -

By No Child Left Behind

July 30, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

AMMAN (AFP) - Oxfam warned in a report Monday that unabated violence in Iraq is masking a humanitarian crisis that has worsened since the US-led invasion in 2003, putting at risk almost eight million Iraqis.

“Children are hit the hardest by the decline of living standards. Child malnutrition rates have risen from 19 percent before the US-led invasion in 2003 to 28 percent now,” it said.

Iraqis thank American masters. You delivered most humble slaves from clutches of evil madman Sadaam and sons. We large better now and beg masters to stay forever. We both make Arab world safe and secure.

Most of all our children thank you. When they come age they thank you proper.

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

To: Sam Brownback, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, Duncan Hunter, Mitt Romney, Tom Tancredo, and Tommy Thompson We’ve read the news reports that only two of your fellow candidates have agreed to attend the Republican Party of Florida/YouTube debate, and there are major candidates considering snubbing the event. As Republicans, we believe this is a serious mistake. Every Democratic candidate eagerly accepted the opportunity to answer questions from the American people via YouTube, even Hillary Clinton, the most cautious and calculating of the bunch.

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Barry Bonds’ Homerun Race Puts Bush’s Steroids Record In The Spotlight

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Conservatives Refuse To Appear On Fox News To Publicly Defend Gonzales

By @@

July 30, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

Well RW, I agree with Duh stands for Democrats. Any day is a bad day for liberal posters here. There daily lives seem to be pretty miserable too.

We seem to have a lot of (cough cough) moderates looking to engage. They never really say much, they just want to engage WITH THE CONSERVATIVES mostly. When they talk to one an”other” it’s a mutual lovefest. Our conservative names come up “in passing” if you know what I mean.

DebbieDoRight:

The name-calling didn’t bother me. I’m still puzzled by your choosing “one day” to avoid me, and you’re accusations of stalking. Like I said, that was a clear indication that you post under more than one name. Here’s the game I’m seeing played by the liberals here. You get to congratulate yourselves for your civility under one name and then you get to attack us under another.

In my next post I’ll share another interesting observation made at Wooten’s yesterday. The word limit may prevent me from doing so in this post.

I’ll be back!!!

By No Child Left Behind

July 30, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Please don’t go Joe.

We fight enemy here so you don’t have to fight there. We make safe and secure.

By RW-(the original)

July 30, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

When you ask me a question I would appreciate you not setting ground rules for my answer. I don’t answer serious questions flippantly or without thinking them through. I never have and I never will.

I absolutely would have approved of Clinton using the 2001-2004 TSP provisions and I wish he had. If you recall the Clinton administration went way too far the other direction and erected a wall that kept our intelligence agencies from working together.

Congress being Republican or Democrat controlled is immaterial because this isn’t a program that was put before the full Congress for approval. Had it been it would have been entirely worthless since every detail would have been on the front page of the New York Times. Also people seem to forget that the Senate was under Democrat control for most of the first two years of the Bush administration.

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Good morning Paul - They have to get a warrant for each and every email, message, phone call etc.? It still seems to me, this problem can be circumvented legally, especially during a time of “war.”

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

Hackers Make Quick Work Of Most California Voting Machines

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Iraqi Prime Minister Asks Bush To Give General Petraeus The Boot

By getalife

July 30, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

Hey, RW got out of jail again.

Don’t text and drive.

You did not miss much but the day to day “thumpin” we give give the wingnuts.

The Muslim people are sick of the bombs and the radicals from both sides have been marginalized.

Paul,

You are correct on FISA. The problem is w will try to legalize his domestic spying so the Dems have to be careful. The country to country will pass, w crimes will not.

BTW RW,

The gop are scared of the You Tube debate snowman so how are they going to stand up to Al-Qaeda?

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Was there a White House plot to illegally suppress votes in 2004? Is there a similar plan for the upcoming elections? This week NOW examines documents and evidence that points to a Republican Party plan designed to keep Democrats from voting, allegedly by targeting people based on their race and ethnicity with key battleground states like Ohio and Florida of particular interest. “It was a partisan, discriminatory attempt to challenge voters of color,” Eddie Hailes, a senior attorney for The Advancement Project, a civil rights group, told NOW.

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

RW, “Had it been it would have been entirely worthless since every detail would have been on the front page of the New York Times.”

As if it wouldn’t have been spun in the exact opposite direction in the Wall Street Journal?

“If you recall the Clinton administration went way too far the other direction and erected a wall that kept our intelligence agencies from working together.”

No, to be perfectly honest, I don’t recall how Clinton did this.

By RW-(the original)

July 30, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

Well gosh bosch @ 10:32,

If they stare at a video screen of a snowman while answering questions they’ll look just as stupid.

Paul,

Here’s an interesting article from a Democrat in the New York Times

He seems to think the political debate in Washington has taken a surreal twist and nobody is paying attention to the fact that we’re finally making some very real progress in Iraq.

@@,

They do seem to fall back on the very same catch phrase and punctuation habits no matter what new name they use.

By DebbieDoRight

July 30, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

[[DebbieDoRight: The name-calling didn’t bother me. I’m still puzzled by your choosing “one day” to avoid me, and you’re accusations of stalking. Like I said, that was a clear indication that you post under more than one name.]]

@@: Apparently you don’t know that much about DDR — I attack, am nice, vicious, comical, maddening, etc. under the DDR moniker. There is no need for me to use multiple names. What’s the point?

The stalking was just a jab in the dark — didn’t know it hit that hard. Again, sorry for the misconception.

Bosch: IMO the problem with a lot of 3rd world countries, (haiti and iraq included), is that they are run by “me only” despots. Even if the world leaders of industralized nations come in as “liberators”, cleans house, and sets up general elections for the people, they always seem to elect the same type of corrupt scoundrel(s) that they’ve just gotten rid of.

By @@

July 30, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Yesterday at Wooten’s AmVet (self-proclaimed moderate) came in to point out the incivility of one poster. No comment about the substance of said poster, just had a problem with the way he presented himself. Everybody knows what I’m talking about…the left’s STFU policy, I’ve got something to say…which is STFU.

Anyhoo, this went back and forth for awhile. AmVet had this to say:

(((You might want to put @@ to work as she is fantastic at researching what bloggers said many months ago.)))

Thank you for the compliment AmVet. I rarely hear the word “fantastic” to describe me. You turned a phrase in your last post that, once again, piqued my interest. Not a common phrase to be sure. Allow me…

(((By AmVet July 29, 2007 6:14 PM)))

(((Yes, a good day of blogging to be sure!)))

(((I have fought off countless of the angry self righteous horde yet complemented their hero, Ronald Reagan. What a paradox! And as always, I have tried valiantly to protect American values from the scourge of extremist partisans!)))

((—>And the crowd goes crazy!!!!<—))

A visit to archives…

(((By Huge November 7, 2006 10:22 AM)))

(((You go Gladys!

“…can we all applaud @@ and Buy Danish for leaving the Democrat party?…”

((—>And the crowd goes crazy!!!<—))

So AmVet is JJG a/k/a “Sweet Talkin” HUGE.

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

Iraq by the Numbers

By You Tube Debate Snowman

July 30, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Why are the GOP scared of me?

By RW-(the original)

July 30, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Well dang! Every time this freaking 1920’s server posts I’ve got another Bosch comment.

Bosch,

Jamie Gorelick made it illegal for the FBI and CIA to share any information. It was done basically to cover Clinton;s butt in illegal campaign contributions from China, but it effectively undercut terrorist surveillance since one group was supposed to monitor activity outside the country, the other within and they couldn’t share information. On the other hand President Bush could have rescinded this policy upon taking office, but didn’t until after 9/11 so his administration isn’t blameless in that failed policy.

getalife,

The GOP should do the YouTube debate as soon as the Democrats agree to do a Fox News debate.

By RW-(the original)

July 30, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Well screw this server. I’m too rested and relaxed to put up with this. By the way, global warming forgot about Western Massachusetts.

I’m going to sign off and fool around with my brand spanking new 30GB IPOD.

See you all at happy hour perhaps.

By getalife

July 30, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

@@,

Amvet was talking to dusty. I thought you were not dusty but I can see you took it personally.

RW,

You mean Fox Opinion and is not the real American people like You Tube.

The gop are cowards who do not want to face the people.

Why should they, they represent corporations not the people.

Geez.

By Bumper Sticker

July 30, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

{Now since I would like an honest answer to this question I respectfully request that only the conservatives answer.}

{When you ask me a question I would appreciate you not setting ground rules for my answer.}

THE perfect neo-con hypocrite returns!

Which is funnier this or voluntarily jumping back into a cesspool?

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Republican Candidates: Afraid to Face the YouTube Generation?

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

GOP: Youtube Too Scary for Us

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

Petition Urges Republicans to Take Part in YouTube Debate

By Bass-Ackwards

July 30, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

ADEL, Iowa - Presidential hopeful Mitt Romney said Friday that the country is angry over the lack of progress in the Iraq war, a stinging assessment of the Bush administration’s handling of the conflict from a Republican candidate.

No Shiite Sherlock!!!!! As usual, the Republi-Trolls here have it ‘Bass-Ackwards’……DUH is really for Republican.

+++oo+++++ALWAYS REMEMBER+++++oo+++

GEORGE W. BUSH is REPUBLICAN!

GEORGE W. BUSH has always been REPUBLICAN!

GEORGE W. BUSH will always be REPUBLICAN!

Why? Because GEORGE W. BUSH associates with people who are exactly like GEORGE W. BUSH!

So All REPUBLICANS are basically at their deepest, most fundamental core, like GEORGE W. BUSH!

When one of the little darlin’s whispers sweet nothings in your ear, DON’T BE FOOLED AGAIN!!! A vote for a REPUBLICAN, any REPUBLICAN, is just a vote for another big fat steamin’ pile of GEORGE W. BUSH!

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

Republicans Avoid You Tube Debate

By getalife

July 30, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

I watched Fox Opinion Sunday because Senator Feingold was on.

Wallace said he had no takers to defend ganzo and I thought they did not need one.

Wallace spewed every gop talking point and did the gop bidding just like President Clinton said.

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

Big Pack of GOP Sissies Scared of a Little YouTube

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Despite the fact that the Democrats’ YouTube debate featured left-wing questions far out of proportion to questions from the right (see NB’s prior coverage of the debate here), Republican activist Patrick Ruffini is arguing the GOP is really dropping the ball. Here’s an excerpt from an open letter he’s attached to a petition urging the candidates to change their minds:

By TW

July 30, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

The trick for Michael Vick will be to get the trial moved to Georgia, where he can easily get a jury to believe his treatment of the animals was part of the ‘war on terror’.

By mm

July 30, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

RW,

Comparing the Dems appearing on Fox (GOP) News to the Republicans appearing on a You-tube (American people with no political agenda) debate is a joke.

Wingnuts are a joke. They talk big about the war but cut and run from a debate. Oh yeah, they also didn’t show up (only one) for the NAACP invite. Wingnuts only talk to CEO’s with bags of cash.

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

Jamie Gorelick’s involvement is certainly debatable, but you can’t put that on one person.

I think that “wall” goes back a lot further than Clinton. Can’t we just agree to disagree on this?

Sometimes I think that politicians are too busy blaming the other for 9/11 and are not doing enough to stop another one.

How do you feel about Sudan?

Anybody else?

By REP (restricting everyones privacy) party sux

July 30, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

It seems to me that everytime a democrat tries to debate on FOX news they are either overtalked, hushed, had their mics turned off, or were cut to commercial. kinda wierd since they were only given like 30 seconds anyway.

By REP (restricting everyones privacy) party sux

July 30, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

It seems to me that everytime a democrat tries to debate on FOX news they are either overtalked, hushed, had their mics turned off, or were cut to commercial. kinda wierd since they were only given like 30 seconds anyway.

By Universal Republican Answer To All Questions:

July 30, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

CLINTON DID IT, TOO!!!!!

By RW-(the original)

July 30, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

Bumper Sticker,

Are you honestly stupid enough to see hypocrisy in those two comments?

One asks a question and only wants to elicit answers from a particular group that would know what I would find interesting. The other is a poster specifically asking ME a question and then setting ground rules for how I am allowed to answer it.

Kerist! It’s no wonder you vacuous gasbags are always changing your names.

getalife,

As long as CNN is the one selecting all the questions in the YouTube debate it isn’t really facing the public. I suspect you know that, but I wish they would just do the debate anyway.

Do you know Chris Wallace is a registered Democrat?

By Lord Help Us

July 30, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

Bosch, you are wasting your time with RW-(the obfuscator). You’ll get nothing but obfuscations full of ‘it’s Cinton’s fault’ BS.

When you read his obfuscations (and the spin of the other parrots about the testimony of Gonzo), please bear in mind that he represents a party that considered the firing of the White House travel staff a grave consititutional crisis.

Kind of tells the story doesn’t it?

By @@

July 30, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Getalife @ 11:24:

You know that’s not true. AmVet showed up to tell all of us that we needed to chastise “the poster” for the way he delivered his message. He/she (AmVet) was throwing a STFU party and he was sending out invitations for the conservatives. Same ol’ same o Getalife. Nothing ever changes with the liberals here.

Debbie:

Yeah, yeah Debbie “One name only”. Gotcha! Again, not to worry about the name-calling…Boing boing!!!

I’m highly amused by the “chicken dance” you liberals perform with your name changes. The problem for you guys is that “we’re” not stupid. We notice things.

By getalife

July 30, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

“Yet so far, just three Republican presidential candidates — Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), and as of yesterday, Tommy Thompson — have confirmed that they will participate in the Sept. 17 debate”

CNN rescheduled to call the gop coward’s bluff.

Well, three of them are not cowards.

By JK

July 30, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

When one of the little darlin’s whispers sweet nothings in your ear, DON’T BE FOOLED AGAIN!!! A vote for a REPUBLICAN, any REPUBLICAN, is just a vote for another big fat steamin’ pile of GEORGE W. BUSH!

Well said! Repeat often.

By getalife

July 30, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

Geez, Brown shows what an embarrassment w is.

Brown is low keyed, well spoken and intelligent.

w is a smirking, giggling joke.

By Egg on Your Face (AKA Chicken Dance)

July 30, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

@@ @11:56- I’m highly amused by the “chicken dance” you liberals perform with your name changes. The problem for you guys is that “we’re” not stupid. We notice things.

and the problem for you guys is that certain members of your entourage have only name-calling for ammo. So fixed name means your ‘advantage’ is nullified.

GO SUK AN EGGG, DUH!!!!!!

By RW-(the original)

July 30, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

mm,

I get it, that’s a moonbat(ic)® attempt at humor at 11:41. Right? Did you see the Republicans on the Fox News debate? They got raked over the coals with the toughest questions that have been asked of either party in any other forum to date. No wonder the Democrats use parrots like you to go squawk about Fox being shills for the GOP. That way they don’t ever run the risk of being asked a tough question by a serious minded reporter.

LHU,

I’m stepping out again so you have plenty of time to do the research to back your 11:50. Would you please show us the groundswell of debate that took place couching the firing of the White House travel staff as a Constitutional crisis? Thank you in advance.

By getalife

July 30, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Brown said the main front of the war on terror is Afghanistan not Iraq.

The British are having success in Iraq and will withdraw by the end of the year.

This is great news and leadership.

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

Anybody have a thought on Sudan? Just wondering. I must leave for a while.

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

Getalife, Good for the Brits, bad for us, huh? Those damn cut and run Brits!

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

Republican Debate Transcript, South Carolina

By Lord Help Us

July 30, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

RW-(the obfuscator)…you’re such a stooge.

Here is one excerpt from the 342 page report from your Republican Congress on the matter:

The committee spent 3 1/2 years investigating not just who fired them and why, but the wrongdoing that followed. The resulting mosaic pieced together from the facts uncovered reveals the answers the White House refused to disclose. In the end, the actions of the Clinton administration following the firings may have a lasting and damaging impact on the Office of the Presidency.

Thanks for the S-L-O-W softball…And, please read the rest of the doc.

The irony of the statements in this report about such a puny issue are hilarious…But, it’s a great lesson in what the citizens of this country get when Republicans control Congress.

By Serious Minded Reporter

July 30, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

Bush Style

By Serious Minded Reporter

July 30, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Bush Style 2

By getalife

July 30, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Yes, they are surrendering Iraq to the Iraqis.

Thanks to ganzo, there is a new way to get out of jury duty.

When they ask you a question say, “Like ganzo, I can’t answer that question.”

Dismissed.

By Paul

July 30, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Given your Sudan invitation - let me clarify a point from the past.

When I make a statement, present an argument or ask a question I’m not necessarily acting as an advocate. Sometimes I’m struck by the contradictions a group or poster takes and would like to understand the rationale. Sudan and other military interventions is an example. I liked the simplistic honesty of Sen Biden’s answer on military intervention in Sudan: “Because we can.”

While I find that problematic (reminiscent of SecState Albright’s question to Gen Powell who raised concerns about Kosovo intervention of “what’s the good of having this military if you never use it?”)it is honest. Seems to me many people are just fine with US military intervention as long as there’s a “humanitarian” label to it.

By Hypothetical Qustion of the Day

July 30, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

If Bush were an AZZ(donkey) instead of a pachyderm, could he possibly be anymore FOS than he already is?

By Lord Help Us

July 30, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

RW-(the obfuscator)…here’s another gem from that same report:

Should a lower standard of accountability be accorded for the highest office in the land? We often hear `nobody cares’ and it’s clear enough that in this White House nobody does care about following the rules.

You should really read this whole report before making any other embarrassing comments about the investigations into the firings of US Attorneys and the warrantless spying on Americans.

By RW-(the original)

July 30, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Nice try LHU, but the very first paragraph contradicts your contention that Republicans were calling this a Constitutional crisis. Perhaps you’re just too ignorant to know what the term Constitutional crisis means. The good news about ignorance is that it can be corrected by taking the time to learn.

Good luck with that!

Aren’t the Democrats holding daily show trials over the firing of six people that serve at the pleasure of the President? President Bush didn’t even stoop to charging them with phony crimes like Mrs. Clinton did in the travel office case.

Bosch,

This blog has talked about Sudan so much there’s nothing else to say. Frankly if hunger was the big problem there it might be a little easier to deal with. Why do you suppose ml ignores genocide to poke fun at fat people?

By Paul

July 30, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

getalife

I took a couple of looks at the Daily Kos website. I agree - it is not a “hate” website but it does allow hateful comments. The FAQ says the purpose is to elect Dems and the discussion follows along those lines. Of course they are not going to be kind to the opposition.

It seems to me BOR’s objection (my guess) is allowing hateful character commments or extreme crudeness as a matter of course. I’m for freewheeling political debate, no limits. That is different from crude character comments or portrayals, such as a pic of a person having sex with an animal.

It may be the Daily Kos founder has about the same idea, given his recent notice to the bloggers to tone it down. I think that’s a good political move - it’d be entirely too easy for a Rep special interest PAC to run a series of commercials saying “Here’s the premier Dem website. They were influential in nominating X. This is what their members say. Are these the kinds of views you want from our next President? Vote Rep.”

I know you posted several rightwing sites - I didn’t look at them. I’m sure it’s in the same genre. But DK’s claim to fame over the other sites is the 600,000 visits a day. That’s significant.

I am troubled by the MoveOn and DK effort to boycott companies who advertise on Fox. That strikes me as using economic intimidation to limit speech. I’d rather MoveOn and DK counter their objections to Fox in a serious way and refute, mock and ridicule the inconsistencies or lousy reporting or positions they see.

Civil political debate. Ideas, not intimidation. That’s how I see it.

By luckovichisaheadcase

July 30, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

Once again this jerk has proved that he is just a nasty man. This cartoon is as tasteless as the one about Don Knotts!!!

By Biblical Reference

July 30, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

Blair, Bush, Brown, Ba’athtists-

‘The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse’ (Conquest, War, Famine, and Death.)

By getalife

July 30, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Do you know what a “troll” is?

Anybody can post a comment on the blogs. They could be BO who spewed, he would go in there with hand grenades.

Trolls are banned on wingnut blogs. I have been banned on most wingnut sites. Hell, they even block my IP. I have been critical of Dems on left wing blogs but never banned.

Paid hacks like BO are scared of blogs and You Tube because they expose the truth and the lies.

That idiot BO blamed the market crash on the possibility of a Dem President raising taxes.

Total bs but that is what your hero is famous for.

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

In his weekly radio address on Saturday, President Bush implored Congress to amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act

“”I know you’ll be shocked to hear it, but your President is intentionally misleading you.”“

By RW-(the original)

July 30, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I would say that Kos can be a tad hateful

Of course he scrubbed the original post from his blog like a coward. I can get you a screen cap of the original, but I think you’ll get the gist of it from this.

By getalife

July 30, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

BTW Paul,

BO started the boycott crap with with JetBlue.

Cutting mics and talking over guests is not civil discourse.

Its a damn shame you think he is civil.

Most people are getting tired of that crap.

By Lord Help Us

July 30, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

Sure RW-(the obfuscator), glad you don’t have a problem with Congress spending 3.5 years investigating the White House firing ITS OWN travel office personnel…

But, you do apparently have a big problem with Congress spending the last 5-6 months investigating the firings of US AG’s and the warrantless spying on Americans.

Hypocrite…obfuscator…coward…

By Paul

July 30, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

getalife

U understand a “troll” is one who comes to a site with the purpose of causing trouble. If he goes to a liberal site, he acts conservative. If he goes to a public transport advocacy site, he extolls the virtues of a Hummer as a commuter car. No serious discussion. Just a troublemaker?

Well, that’s a shame about your being banned. I guess there are sites that are more mutual admiration societies rather than open to all comers.

Cindy Sheehan said she couldn’t post at DK - DK said they elect Dems and wouldn’t give her a forum. That’s fine. They have a mission - elect Dems. A Toyota blog isn’t gonna welcome people extolling the virtues of German cars.

Your situation strikes me as the right wing version of that comment I referenced the other day, where a person made a critical comment and the response was “get out of here, this is a liberal website.” Seems to me similar to exercising - the only way to strengthen the heart or lungs is to push it out of its comfort zone. But if they’d rather just reinforce how wonderful they are, that’s okay too.

By getalife

July 30, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

Geez Louweez,

Don’t go to the Huffington Post comments if you can’t take kos.

Check out the hate BO’s, free rubube, lgf, red state, etc …sites post.

Glass houses and all that…..

By Biblical Reference

July 30, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

My fellow true Christians, God and early Christian recorders of his word saw Bush comin’ 2000 years ago. They warned us of ‘false prophets’ and the ‘Antichrist’ in ‘Revelations’.

White Horse (First) of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse

Represents: Victory; False Peace

Rider: Carries a bow; wears a crown

Power: Conquest

Rider Represents: Antichrist

Now, don’t get me wrong, I don’t think the Prez is gonna sprout horns or spit blood (maybe) but ‘Biblical Reference’ is telling us that the sort of empire building and nationalism that is at the heart and soul of the current Republican party is, to coin a word, ‘GODLESS’!!!!!

By Tom Dundee

July 30, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Bosch & Getalife,

I misplaced my note, but I think that this is the answer to your question.

Sura - chapter in the Koran.

47:35 - …Be not so slack as to cry for peace when you have the upper hand & Allah is with you. Do not make peace with the infidel.

28:58 - Allah grabs the land of the unbeliever. 24:55 - Allah promises his believers osvereignty on earth. He will establish the authority of his chosen religion. 48:14 - Sovereignty belongs to Allah (the basis on an Islamic state).

59:3 - Alllah has sent terror in the hearts of unbelievers. 59:13 - …right to force Islam on infidels. Islamic religious freedom means the right to terrorize Kafirs (indidels or unbelievers). It is compulsory for all Moslems to propagate the message of Islam. This is because Allah says that it is the only religion.

Before 9-11 I had not given much thought to Islam. However, while listening to Islamic clerics on various TV talk shows, my view changed dramatically. The change is because of what the clerics said and what they didn’t say. The more I read about Islam, the more dangerous it is.

A good place to begin reading on Islam is islam-watch.org Islamic Multiculturalism-The Endless Jihad is the basis for the Koranic passages.

By Buy Danish

July 30, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

RW,

Welcome back!

Bosch,

THIS is the dinosaur technology I was referring to, so nicely stated by the Wall Street Journal piece that RW linked to:

The problem is particularly acute because FISA’s 1978 framework has been rendered dysfunctional by the evolution of technology. FISA was enacted in a world where intercepts of purely foreign communications were conducted overseas, and were entirely exempt from the statutory strictures. Only true U.S. domestic communications were intercepted on U.S. soil and these intercepts were subjected to FISA’s prescriptive procedures. Yet, with today’s fiber optic networks functioning as the sinews of the global communications system, entirely foreign calls—say between al Qaeda operatives overseas—often flow through U.S. facilities and can be most reliably intercepted on American soil. Subjecting these intercepts to FISA strictures is absurd.

Oh, and you are right that making it impossible to gather intelligence did not begin with Clinton, although Gorelick’s Wall was the worst of it.

We also had the Church Commission (Democrats) and Sen. Torch Torricelli (D New Jersey) hindering our efforts.

You can look it up while I spend the afternoon enjoying the great outdoors.

Later….

By getalife

July 30, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

Paul,

“Your situation strikes me as the right wing version of that comment I referenced the other day, where a person made a critical comment and the response was “get out of here, this is a “conservative” website.”

Got that over at wingnut wooten’s from a blogger named “markus”. I call him “macaca”.

I believe in the freedom of speech with no rules. Andy is responsible for the rules on this blog. A wingnut, go figure.

wingnut sites are “dittoheads” spreading their propganda with no debate or dissent. A cult, if you will.

Kos does allow debate and dissent.

The most heated arguments are over impeachment and the candidates.

By RW-(the original)

July 30, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

LHU,

Quit slobbering all over yourself just because you proved your own Constitutional crisis claim was wrong. That’s the best thing about debating you morons, all we have to do is keep you typing and you’ll contradict yourself sooner or later. Besides, why do you keep bringing up the Clinton years? I thought was a mortal sin for moonbat(ics)® around here.

I’ll be back about 5 or 6 to see if you’ve regained your composure.

By Paul

July 30, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

getalife 1:24

The difference, to me, is the difference between an advertiser and an advocate (or financial sponsor of a political event).

I understood Jet Blue was underwriting much of the cost of DailyKos hosting their meeting with members and Democratic candidates, not advertising on their web site.

If Jack Daniels wants to advertise in the American Spectator in order to sell more of their product I may still buy a bottle of Gentleman Jack. If Jack Daniels underwrites much of the cost of the National Rifle Association hosting a national meeting, specifically inviting candidates who support their position I’d likely not buy another bottle of Gentleman Jack.

By Tom Dundee

July 30, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

FISA was designed to be a failure and they were successful. Part of the probelem is that the govt both Dems & Repubs have built on it and handicapped our intelligence gathering even more, not to mention budget cuts.

In the ’90s, not all Clinton’s fault, there was a struggle within the intelligence community over how intel would be gathered. The technocrats wanted to do it with technology, spy satellites. The traditionalists wanted to gather intel the old fashioned way with people on the ground. The technocrats won and the money went in that direction. Clinton enters the picture with his “clean hands policy”, in other words, US agents were prohibited from doing business with criminals or terrorists. How can you gather info on terrorists by hanging out with choir boys? You can’t. So we were blindsided on 9-11.

By Tom Dundee

July 30, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

FISA was designed to be a failure and they were successful. Part of the probelem is that the govt both Dems & Repubs have built on it and handicapped our intelligence gathering even more, not to mention budget cuts.

In the ’90s, not all Clinton’s fault, there was a struggle within the intelligence community over how intel would be gathered. The technocrats wanted to do it with technology, spy satellites. The traditionalists wanted to gather intel the old fashioned way with people on the ground. The technocrats won and the money went in that direction. Clinton enters the picture with his “clean hands policy”, in other words, US agents were prohibited from doing business with criminals or terrorists. How can you gather info on terrorists by hanging out with choir boys? You can’t. So we were blindsided on 9-11.

By Paul

July 30, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

getalife

It’s all I can do to read here and one or two other (nonpolitical) sites. That’s interesting about the arguments over the Dem candidates - given the past attitude of “don’t speak evil of Dem candidates.” But with that comment by Obama over the weekend - Hillary’s Iraq policy is Bush-Cheney Lite - things could really get impassioned at DK.

RW - that was a pretty nasty comment, I agree. I was making the distinction between a site that actively encourages posting of hateful comments (or whose leadership posts hateful statements on the main page - like a KKK site) and a site that tolerates posting of hateful comments in the course of discussion.

By getalife

July 30, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Actually, Jet Blue gave some free tickets.

The community told kos to give them back and they will not fly Jet Blue.

No big deal.

All the Dem candidates will be at Yearly Kos and the wingnut blogs do not have a counter convention, so they attack.

By Lord Help Us

July 30, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

RW-(the desperate obfuscator),

God, you’re a stooge…my post confirms that the Republican Committee, after a 3.5 YEAR investigation, considered Travelgate ‘…may have a lasting and damaging impact on the Office of the Presidency.’

Just what in the wide world of sports would you consider a ‘constitutional crisis?’ A Scandal that didn’t damage the Office of the Presidency?

Congratulations any way…

Your complete lack of credibility has been immediately restored…maybe you should boycott the blog a few more months (in sympathy with your beloved Andy/Dull/Duh)…

Obfuscator…

By getalife

July 30, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

Tom,

We were not blindsided on 9/11.

w did not listen to Clark or the memo warning of the attack.

By Paul

July 30, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

getalife 2:06

Thanks for the clarification about the tickets. There’s always a “rest of the story.”

By Tom Dundee

July 30, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

I knew that I should have not used the word “blindsided”. I meant it to apply more to the American people.

I’m still not sure what the various intell agencies knew about the whole plot. I don’t believe that anyone had the complete picture. I don’t think that Clark had enough specific info to prevent the attacks. Part of the problem is the funding of our intel agencies. The agency that accomplishes the most gets more $ from Congress in the next budget. Therefore they are pitted against (FBI & CIA) each other in a destructive competion designed to bring out the worst and their is no cooperation. I think that the closest we came to learning about the plot was Able-Danger an army project, except nobody would listen to them.

The Looming Towers: Al Quaeda and the Road to 9-11. by Lawrence Wright call # 973 .931 W951 is the most comprehensive source that I’ve seen. It seems to be nonpolitical, nonpartisan & casts blame where it belongs. It is a difficult book, but it is a good read and well worth the time.

By Tom Dundee

July 30, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

The best chance to have learned about 9-11 was Mousouai’s computer. But the local FBI agents could not get a FISA search warrant to inspect the hard drive. Either the FISA court would not issue one or their superiors in Wahsington DC refused to ask for a warrant because they didn’t think it would be granted.

FBI agents Dan Coleman and John O’Neill were on to al Quaeda activities in the US from the early ’90s but nobody would listen to them. By nobody, I mean their superiors that they reported to.

By AmVet

July 30, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

@@, Yeah!! You win the boobie, or is it booby prize!

Yesterday at Wooten’s I made the conscious decision to stir your memory of me again and it worked.

In my first post there yesterday I complimented you at 10:53 in regards to a question you brought up about academia and expounded on it.

It was later at 2:31 that I complimented you on researching what bloggers said months ago. I also, as you know, dropped hints several times previously about Todd Rundgren and Ralph Nader, knowing you would catch them.

(BTW, I’m glad you appreciated the compliment. And though you and I have butted heads, you are one of the “conservatives” that I like have spirited exchanges with!)

I actually wrote a nice reply to you yesterday explaining all of this but in my haste forgot to include my email address and the effort was lost into the ether. Aaaarrrrggghhhh!

So yes, after four or five months off, Huge came back as AmVet. And a sleuth like yourself should be in the CIA or FBI or something like that!

But onto the heart of the matter - your complete mischaracterization at 11:08 today of what transpired yesterday in an attempt to prove your point.

And @@ let me say that this a bit ridiculous having to explain all of this blow by blow, but I feel it important to show that you are guilty of selective finger pointing - the very thing you accuse me of.

My 2nd post yesterday, I complimented someone on their inane humor. (You know me!) In it I said “I’m sure that many here, including some of the Democrats who probably just groan at some of your offerings, and ESPECIALLY the Republicans, who are almost universally sorely lacking in a sense of humor (at least that they will admit to), hate your unusual brand.

Hey, if you can’t laugh at yourself, or anything you hold dear for that matter, you’re just way too hung up.”

No big deal, right?

Then YOUR boy Andy said this:

By Jonestown Kool Aid

July 29, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

It’s a Republican thing, AmVet. Mental midget libs like you wouldn’t understand. Besides, everything in the world of you libs is a big joke and not to be taken seriously with one exception: global warming supposedly caused by man. Islamic terrorism? That’s just a bumper sticker man! Haha.

No realist takes you pathetic libs seriously, nor should they.

To be continued

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

Tom, Here’s another translation of one of those verses: 47:35 And be not slack so as to cry for peace and you have the upper hand, and Allah is with you, and He will not bring your deeds to naught.

I read through all those verses, and let me tell you are worse than Mother Bosch is at cherry picking the Bible to proove her point.

I don’t take the Bible literally, and the Koran, well, I don’t know much about it, but I don’t think I would take it so literally as well.

Of course Allah is going to say that Islam is the only true religion, hell, he’s their GOD, duh!

All religions have their fundamentalists. It all has to do with education, I’ll be frank here, fundamentalists aren’t very intelligent - on either side.

By getalife

July 30, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

That is correct Tom.

They fixed that in the Patriot Act.

By AmVet

July 30, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

A few minutes later my conservative friend jbmlaw and I engaged in some very good natured ribbing about who does and does not have a sense of humor and after we discussed his assertion that most of the invective comes from the left, agreed that it was basically a draw.

BTW, I spend much more time over at Wooten’s then here now, as the level of discourse is generally much higher there.

There are numerous conservatives, liberals and moderates (I know you hate that word!) there who are well spoken, reasonable and respectful.

More on that later.

My next post at 12:35 (which is so damn good, it should be posted in its entirety!) I simply pointed out: “Just look at the sweetness dripping from that post of 11:18 (ANDY’S) as the repudiation of any assertions about the bulk of unwarranted, irrational invective coming from the far left.

And at the same time the perfect, albeit it unintentional and witless, confirmation of my contention about the reality of a hate consumed lunatic fringe within the GOP.”

Still all very well-mannered, correct?

And then this:

By Dem PC libs

July 29, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

Am Vet 12:35 -

Are you saying that your leftist brethren here are angels? I surmise you have missed posts by God Hates Trash here? What he posts makes anything from the Right here look benign. How convenient. Are you saying there is no hate from the left towards the right, or is it only ok for the left to trash the right and the right can’t retaliate? Spill the beans, please.

Part of my lon answer at 1:40, “It is not necessary to answer them, but how in the name of Sam hell do you think I fail to see the oft-displayed hatred from the far left? Which part of my distaste for hyper-partisan Republicans AND Democrats escapes you?

Sir, the risks, AND rewards, with you and I debating, is that our perspectives seem so very different.”

I said that God Hates Trash’s writing were the rantings of a very disturbed man (they are!) but this guy, of course, never acknowledged it.

He later admitted that there was not one single solitary thing he could say about any Democrat, and therefore any Dem supporter.

To be continued

By Tom Dundee

July 30, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

All religions have their fundamentalists and wackos.

But nobody is carrying around a copy of the Old Testament trying to establish world domination according to the directives laid down in the OT,

Christianity as a whole condemns the actions of the few fundamentalists. It is loud & clear. Is there any condemnation of the Islamic terrorism by Islamic clerics as a whole. No.

Islam is at war with followers of all major religious groups & that includes Pagans.

The Koran was written in different time periods. When Islam was new, Mohammad talked tolerance, as Islam grew he talked less tolerance until there was none. The Koranic verses were torn apart and re-assembled in random order. Therefore their is not a continuous narrative, as in the Bible.

No group punishes people by the laws laid out in the Old Testament. Islam still follows those beliefs.

By You Tube Debate Snowman

July 30, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

“On Sunday’s Reliable Sources, Kurtz good-naturedly knocks Mitt Romney’s excuse for not joining the CNN/YouTube GOP debate:

KURTZ: Mitt Romney said that, he was expressing his reservations about joining the next YouTube debate, “I don’t think candidates should have to answer questions from a snowman.” Well let me just say this to the former governor: how are you going to deal with Osama bin Laden if you’re afraid of that snowman?

Oh, snap.”

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

July 30, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

Of course we were blindsided on 9/11. I can still remember Condi testifying about how vague the 8/6/01 PDB entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the US” was. You can see the testimony here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NS_M6RvjTAQ

As you can see, she shakes her head back and forth while giving the title of this PDB as if the words didn’t make any sense to her or at a minimum wouldn’t raise any alarms with anybody. I completely agree with that sentiment and I am personally glad that the President did nothing in response to this PDB because it simply is indecipherable and unspecific. If something had come across his desk saying “Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the US on September 11th” then maybe he could have done something, but the actual PDB was so vague, so indeterminant, how could anybody expect them to make sense of it?

RWNJIFG

By Duh stands for Democrats

July 30, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

Ummm, that^ is the only name I post under.

Duh.

{{{{“Terrorism is not a cause, it is a crime and it is a crime against humanity,” Gordon Brown, Wingnut, Great Britian, said. “And there should be no safe haven and no hiding place for those who practice terrorist violence or preach terrorist extremism.” Asked if he had the same philosophy as Bush on dealing with terrorism, Brown answered, “Absolutely.”}}}}

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

FISA Not to Blame for Moussaoui Mess

By Tom Dundee

July 30, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

The August 6 PDB contained no new info that wasn’t known back in 1996 when the Philippine police notified the US that al Quaeda was going to hijack jet liners and crash them into US buildings. But then the plan involved hijacking the airplanes overseas.

By Tom Dundee

July 30, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

The August 6 PDB contained no new info that wasn’t known back in 1996 when the Philippine police notified the US that al Quaeda was going to hijack jet liners and crash them into US buildings. But then the plan involved hijacking the airplanes overseas.

I’m out of here for today.

By getalife

July 30, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

They should have labeled the memo: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the US, please do something to stop it”.

w’s response, “you covered your a-ss now”.

Geez.

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

Tom, “But nobody is carrying around a copy of the Old Testament trying to establish world domination according to the directives laid down in the OT.”

Except maybe the Israelis.

“The Koran was written in different time periods”

So was the Bible. Believe it or not, the New Testament isn’t in chronological order.

“Therefore their is not a continuous narrative, as in the Bible.”

Um, Tom, it seems you know more about the Koran than the Bible. The Bible is not a continuous narrative.

You listen to fundamentalist Islamic clerics, or rather websites or news organizations who try to instill fear about Islam, those are the very far ultra conservative branches of Islam - moderate Muslims don’t buy that crap like most moderate Christians are more tolerant.

Those Islamic clerics promoting violence against the infidel are our equivalent of Jerry Falwell. He didn’t advocate violence, but he certainly advocated terror and hatred. And believe me, if he had been able to get away with it, Falwell, would have directed his “followers” into holy war, and many of the ignorant a*******holes that thought him a prophet would have done it.

By Lord Help Us

July 30, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

Duh(ll)…when will Gordon Brown be sending 153,000 more troops to Iraq so that he ‘Absolutely has the same philosophy as Bush on dealing with terrorism?’

Iraq is the ‘Central Front in the War on Terrorism,’ remember?

Coward…(why are you still hiding?)

By getalife

July 30, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

I know Tom.

w showed great leadership by doing nothing.

History will not kind to w.

Geez.

Jusice Roberts taken to the hospital after falling down drunk.

He is a bushie.

By Duh stands for Democrats

July 30, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

February 12, 1997

President William J. Clinton

The White House

Washington, DC

Dear Mr. President,

We are pleased to present you with the report of the White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security. You established this Commission by issuing Executive Order 13015 on August 22, 1996 with a charter to study matters involving aviation safety and security, including air traffic control and to develop a strategy to improve aviation safety and security, both domestically and internationally.

During the past six months, we have conducted an intensive inquiry into civil aviation safety, security and air traffic control modernization. Commission and staff have gathered information from a broad range of aviation specialists, Federal Agencies, consumer groups, and industry leaders.

After many months of deliberations we have agreed on a set of recommendations which we believe will serve to enhance and ensure the continued safety and security of our air transportation system.

We are privileged to submit these recommendations herewith.

Sincerely,

Vice President Al Gore, Chairman

By Tom Dundee

July 30, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

I don’t know anything about these clerics. But I do know they were on TV explaining things after 9-11. Most were on CNN.

I heard no condemnation.

Israelis/Jews don’t stone adultresses.

Falwell was an idiot. The only time I listened to him was when he said somethig stupid & then I had no choice because it was on every network.

By Luckohill, Luckodale, LuckoDuh

July 30, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

I still can’t post with sources

By AmVet

July 30, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

My point, @@, is that if someone other than you actually read the entirety of what was said yesterday, there is no way in hell they’d infer I had some STFU party as you claim. In fact, all of the following is just BS.

Yesterday at Wooten’s AmVet (self-proclaimed moderate) came in to point out the incivility of one poster. No comment about the substance of said poster, just had a problem with the way he presented himself. Everybody knows what I’m talking about…the left’s STFU policy, I’ve got something to say…which is STFU.

The reality? In his typical unwarranted “style” Andy insulted me hiding behind one of his many monikers.

Then another of your pals, Dem PC libs challenged me to disprove the very thing, by his own admission, he is guilty of - turning a blind eye to the enmity in his own ranks. When I did he ignored it completely.

@@, I do not suffer fools gladly, of ANY affiliation or stripe.

When I first found this blog, I was amazed at the pages of venom that flowed, ESPECIALLY from one particular blogger. You know who I mean. You know him well and supported him in his right to post his most delusion tirades. Fine.

I challenged him fiercely and to my credit, and others, those efforts paid off. Now the air here doesn’t reek as badly and the tone of the place has improved somewhat. Of course, there are still mental midgets here who spew their hate from both extremes, but it is more similar to Wootens, where the PERCENTAGE of deranged hate-mongers is smaller.

As you know Andy was basically castrated here and it is obvious that the AJC is watching very closely. So now we have the “new” compassionate conservative Andy of many names. Less vitriol and depravity but basically the same old hatred.

So I cleaned out some of the garbage but @@, you are smarter than to believe the STFU junk you write about me.

You know I thrive on disparate opinions and ideas. I am one of a very few who is willing to change their ideas, given better information. Just substantiate it and have some credibility, for crying out loud!

And as I said yesterday I try my damdest not to attack others for their opinions. I prefer to save it for public figures.

But as I also said, if you screw with me, like those on the far right have done countless unwarranted times, you picked the wrong cowboy to screw with.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

July 30, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Tom Dundee,

If what you say is correct, that is that there was nothing in the PDB that wasn’t known in 1996, then you are giving Clinton a whole lot more credit than he deserves because if that were the case he would have had to predict the future as most of the dates cited therein are after 1996. I’d rather stick to the defense that the PDB didn’t make sense that giving Clinton that sort of power.

For example, on page 2 the PDB states “patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings…, including surveillance of federal buildings in New York.” Now read that and tell me you can make sense of that. I mean is it New York state or New York City? I mean you could ask I guess but with all that brush to tend to who has the time? I challenge anybody to read that document and tell me that it makes any sense at all:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf

Its just a bunch of jibberish really.

RWNJIFG

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

U.S. to sell $20B in arms to Arab nations

By mm

July 30, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

Duh for Duhmb@ss,

Bush was in office when the towers fell, not Clinton.

I know that is hard for you wingnuts to swallow, but it is fact.

The wingnuts claim we are safer with them in charge. They allowed us to be attacked on 9/11, and have now created an Al Quaeda recruitment machine in Iraq.

I feel so safe now.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

July 30, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

When are you libs going to accept that the 9/11 attacks are the sole responsibility of Bill Clinton? So is the next one. And the one after that. And the one after that. And so on… That’s just the way it is.

As Duh pointed out last week, any and all attacks by Al Qaeda are the Democrats fault because if it weren’t for Democrats we would have invaded Pakistan and taken Bin Laden out, but as Duh pointed out that is simply impossible because the Democrats would totally “wig.” If it weren’t for the threat of “wigging” by the Dems, Bin Laden would be dead. So everytime we are attacked it is your fault not ours, ever.

In fact Iraq is the Democrats fault too because of all the emboldening they do. The terrorists and insurgents would have quit a long time ago but then the left kept emboldening them and emboldening them. Cheney was right when he said that they were in “their last throes”, but of course at that time he anticipated that free speech was an antiquated thing of the past like the Geneva Convention.

RWNJIFG

By Dusty

July 30, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

Welcome back, RW.

We missed you here at Propaganda Posts for liberals. It is the same ol’ name game with few new ones applied to Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, conservatives.

“Impeach” is totally worn out. “Trolls” is almost exhausted from overuse. “Fascist” is the newest in-word. (Has an international ring to it.) Midori may have added a few more /@@?^?** to her titles but I haven’t checked. Just thought I would give you an update.

As to the cartoon de jour..Darfur probably inferred… I don’t think half the liberals here even know where it is in Africa. Some have suggested getting help from neighboring countries. Chad already has large refugee camps to take care of and they are the POOREST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. Yeah, let them help.

One liberal suggested we send the Peace Corps. Great! Maybe we could also send the Salvation Army for back up. In fact, I don’t think over a handful of grieving liberals here even know the name of a humanitarian agency actively working in Darfur. They will pop up with RedCross ‘cause that is the only one they’ve heard of anywhere. (Yes,libs, I will be glad to give you a very active in Darfur humanitarian agency.)

Then our liberal friends frequently croak “We shouldn’t have attacked Iraq ‘cause they didn’t attack us” and then turn around and suggest that we should invade Sudan. Is that called two-faced?

How about the UN encouraging the African Nationals who are trying to help with their pooly supplied troops that are then told not to intervene in most cases?

Anyway, Luckovich’s drawing is better than usual. Too bad it is tied in with a totally vapid goal, but the irony is there. Too bad that the goals of liberals often border on vapid.

By AmVet

July 30, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

{All religions have their fundamentalists. It all has to do with education, I’ll be frank here, fundamentalists aren’t very intelligent - on either side.}

Hi Bosch (and Tom)!

I know this is a particularly sensitive subject but I’m going to dive in. Hope the water’s warm!

And let me first say, Bosch, I absolutely concur about education being the answer. Not religion.

Last night I was watching a replayed bit of the latest Dem debate and one of the final questions regarded religion and policy decisions.

Some proudly declared their faith and others danced around it a bit, but we all know that the “wrong” answer on this topic is a certain “death penalty” in US elections.

Especially in light of the ancient and still ongoing massive problems with competing religions and the charlatans who in many cases, run them, why is it that someone like myself would never, ever have a snowball’s chance in you know where of being elected for virtually any public office?

Because, as some of you know, I make no bones about hiding the fact that I am an equal opportunity non-religionist. Notice I didn’t say atheist or even agnostic. To me whether god exists or not is irrelevant. I guess you could call me an ambivalent.

But no matter the terminology, isn’t it odd, and frankly disturbing, that centuries after the “enlightenment” a non religious person is still doubted by so many Americans as being as moral or ethical as someone who has religious faith? Much less, in some cases, having superior morals.

And why, I do not know.

By The Watcher

July 30, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

What the hell is with the reporting to RW?

It’s like some twisted scout troop.

By Buy Danish

July 30, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

@@,

Great job in outing “AmVet” as Huge! For the most part I have skipped over AmVet’s posts as they are so unbearably boring, so I never made the connection.

It makes perfect sense that boring AmVet is Huge Bloviator.

By IN THE NEWS

July 30, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Inslee to introduce Gonzales impeachment tomorrow.Rep. Jay Inslee (D-WA) is introducing legislation that would require the House Judiciary Committee and the House of Representatives to begin an impeachment investigation into Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, in the wake of his damaging testimony last week

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

July 30, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

You want to talk about two-faced how about all of those liberals in the wake of Vietnam who insisted on an exit strategy as a prerequisite to war? That President in the 80’s, I forget the name now, was a big liberal supporter of that policy. But now that we are in Iraq without any exit strategy (thank God for that) you don’t hear these liberals say a word about the need for such strategies.

Another thing that you used to hear from libs was “we shouldn’t use our military for nation building.” That was as stupid then and as it is stupid now.

We wingers have been consistent in stating that exit strategies are for wimps and traitors. We have also always said that nation building is a fine endeavor for US troops.

That’s why we kept the pressure on Clinton to go into Bosnia. We couldn’t sit back and watch Milosevic commit genocide.

We wingers are consistent. The libs just vaccilate either way depending on which way the wind blows.

RWNJIFG

By what

July 30, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

AMVET seems a lil touchy! Noone paying attention to him, lately?

By getalife

July 30, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

Speaking of wingnuts , how about the grandfather chocking the three year old for an exorcism, while Mom is praying naked?

Geez.

What a freak show, like the wingnuts announcing they are leaving and never do.

By Tom Dundee

July 30, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

mm,

Yes, Bush was President on 9-11. But the planning for 9-11 began when Bubba Clinton was President and all the Islamic terrs entered the country under Bubba. This plot began when the world loved and respected the US.

You libs love the fact that the Islamic terrs killed 3000 when a Republican was president.

The Islamic terrs tried to blow up the Towers in ‘93 when Bubba was president. The world loved and respected us then also, but the Islamists did it anyway.

To save you libs a post, Yeah I know Bush senior was President when the planning started on that one. But the world loved us when the truck went boom.

Libs fail to realize that it is irrelevant who is President, Republican, Democrat, or Independent when the Islamic terrs want to kill infidels.

By Dusty

July 30, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

Right Wing Nut Job,

There’s not much meat or glory in your nut job @4:48. Why don’t you cut out the phony conservative bit when you are as liberal as any donkey around?

If you have a “bone to pick”, point it out. Nevermind acting like a can of Tom’s mixed nuts. And you don’t have to tell us you are a nut ‘cause we already know that.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

July 30, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

Tom Dundee,

Get with the program, man. Its always the liberals fault, for everything, everytime. Doesn’t matter what it is. You give me a problem, I’ll show you how you can blame liberals. Rick Santorum correctly blamed liberalism in Mass. for the Priest scandal. Falwell correctly blamed the American People and their evil (liberal) ways for 9/11. Rush Limbaugh said that Cho’s liberalism contributed to his shooting of 32 people at VT.

I challenge anyone to give me a problem that I can’t blame on liberals too. You can’t because there isn’t one.

But the point is that of course it matters who the President is when it comes to attacks. If we never had a Democrat President we would have never been attacked. If we never elect another one, the next attack will be their fault too. Heck, if Bush 41 had been re-elected, 9/11 would have been Jimmy Carter’s fault. If Ford had beat Carter, 9/11 would have been LBJ’s fault. If Kennedy had not been shot it would have been his fault, etc…, etc… What is the fault of the GOP? Nothing, ever.

RWNJIFG

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

July 30, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

The 11th Commandment:

Thou shalt not talk ill of another Republican.

So stop it or I’ll report you to the proper authorities.

All I am doing is agreeing with you. If you think that I’m saying something that you aren’t also saying then tell me how I am in error so that I can agree with you better. Being like you is all I really want.

RWNJIFG

By RW-(the original)

July 30, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the welcome back and the updates Buy Danish and Dusty. I kind of figured that nothing would have mysteriously changed but the names since it really never has since Midori started spamming the blog and got all the rules put in here.

getalfe,

I announced I was going on vacation a month ago and stayed gone for a month. How is that not leaving when I said I was going?

Geez

Amvet,

Why are you still peddling that lie about Andy posting long hate filled diatribes. When you first started telling us that tall tale a few names back all Andy was doing was linking to news and opinion pieces from reputable sources. Is it hate in your opinion because those sources were conservative? One would think a “moderate” could find something of interest in mainstream conservative writings, then again the “moderate” would have to actually be one.

By getalife

July 30, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Where did you go RW?

By Tom Dundee

July 30, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

Nutjob, RW

I’ll stand by my post. Lib, Con, Dem, Repub, it is irrelevant when it comes to Islamic terrs killing infidels. An infidel is an infidel & nothing else matters when you are a murdering Islamic terrorist. Moslems can be infidels if some other Moslem doesn’t like the way they pray.

Libs had nothing to do with the priest scandal. It was a homosexual issue.

By RW-(the original)

July 30, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Why on earth would you want to know that? I bet you can find a hint at 11:21 though as to part of my trip.

By Analchord

July 30, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

Luckovich’s cartoon today should draw a lot of fire.

I have trouble with it too. It’s not right to make light of the plight of those who fight blight day and night.

Outta sight! (dont like this comment, then bite).

Michael Moore is making a new documentary about dogfighting: “Vicko”.

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

And Dusty’s usual rants are really old - “Then our liberal friends frequently croak “We shouldn’t have attacked Iraq ‘cause they didn’t attack us” and then turn around and suggest that we should invade Sudan. Is that called two-faced?”

Dusty, proof it. I haven’t read that sentiment here lately.

AmVet, I totally agree. The usually less educated are the more fundamental. They usually need some kind of superstition to explain the things they don’t understand.

By RW-(the original)

July 30, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

Tom Dundee,

Is that post at 5:45 directed partially to me or are you using RW as a first name for nutjob?

If it is partially to me I agree that it matters not what party is in power for Islamic radicals to want to kill and conquer infidels and their lands, but it does make a difference who’s in office in how you deal with the threat and whether you act preemptively or fight back with subpoenas. In the former you stand a chance of ending the threat, the latter is the path to Dhimmitude or death.

By getalife

July 30, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

RW,

Happy hour?

Hell, every hour is happy hour.

By Analchord

July 30, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Religion is not superstition.

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

Analchord, It is however, comforting thought because we all fear death.

By Billiam the snowman

July 30, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

I am not scary

By @@

July 30, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Mercy percy!!! Huge @ 2:45, 3:02 & 3:41

This is how you entered Wooten’s yesterday:

(((By AmVet July 29, 2007 10:53 AM

Good morning all.

Well Mr. Wooten, your topic of what is best for children has certainly stirred up some emotions! And rightfully so. Some are thoughtful and intelligent, but not unpredictably, much of what is posted here is, sadly, just juvenile rubbish by angry extremists

So, though I’m sorry to temporarily interrupt this little —->hate-fest,<—- I’d like to direct attention to a really good question @@ asked at 5:39 yesterday.)))

I thought it was a good question as well. Catlady and Dusty responded in disagreement. I then moved on. I wasn’t insulted, I wasn’t offended by the lack of interest in discussing it, I just moved on…and pondered it on my own. Dusty actually gave me something to think about.

You said:

(((As my friend Dave says, “Rule #6 - Don’t take yourself so seriously!”)))

I suggested you follow Dave’s Rule #6.

I’ve learned to follow Andy’s Rule #1. “Always frisk the liberals first.” He had another one about moderates too, but I can’t recall what it was.

I didn’t need a long essay from you Huge. I was just wondering why you changed your name from JJG to Huge to AmVet. BTW, the blogger that namejacked you at Wooten’s was Analchord. He namejacks Getalife, tftt, Markus, Wootendull, Dusty, jbmlaw and me. He freely admits doing it and says it’s all in fun. I’ve learned to live with it.

Unlike you I don’t care how people word their posts, unless they’re making fun of my students or using innocent children (deceased or molested children) to take a hit at conservatives here. The conservatives don’t need my help. They defend themselves admirably against the left. I speak up for the kids.

Did you see jbmlaw’s post to you this morning? It was on Wooten’s weekend thread.

(((By GodHatesTrash July 30, 2007 8:15 AM

Dem PC Libs is another retarded ignoranus in the Woo-ten Klan. Was @@ your special ed teacher?

Trash. Retarded trash.)))

(((By jbmlaw July 30, 2007 8:25 AM

Dear AmVet @ various times, last week I suggested my belief that leftists wake up angry, spewing bile. I submit GodHatesTrash as anecdotal support for my argument.)))

Should I go back over t

By RW-(the original)

July 30, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Most of the people in your Moonbat(ic)® Party are never happy, but I trust that with you alternating between various meds, your bong collection, and a new Crown Royal bag every day you’re the exception to the rule.

Have you read the piece by the liberal Brookings Institute people in today’s New York Times that says we’re winning in Iraq? That should make lots of people happy.

By AmVet

July 30, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

{Analchord, It is however, comforting thought because we all fear death.}

Bosch, again I agree 100%.

And I think this is THE great allure of Christianity and Islam.

They offer something - paradise - in lieu of oblivion/nothingness. Which is probably one of the very worst things people can imagine.

By @@

July 30, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

Oh, and AmVet…I will never forget how you spammed the blog for two days running when you were posting as Huge. I think the spam was from DailyKos. When I finally got you to stop, you came on and admitted it was you and that you did so to bring people on board with your definition of civil discourse.

With Andy’s next post, you began the process all over again.

Aahhh yes. I remember it well.

By @@

July 30, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

Whoops! Finishing my 6:06.

Should I go back over to scold GHT?

Noooooo.

Funny how a conservative such as myself is eager to MoveOn.

You? Not so much.

By N-GA

July 30, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

I just watched Governor Sonny Perdue condemn the crime (dogfighting) in reference to Michael Vick. He described it as cruel….Channel 11.

I wonder when he will publically castigate the republican mayor of Blue Ridge (Georgia) who has been arrested TWICE while attending illegal cockfights!!

By Analchord

July 30, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

What is the mission of the Saudi Royal Family’s puppet army (US troops) in Iraq?

I remember not long ago an report that stated Saudi Arabia could be running out of oil.

‘muff said.

By Billiam the snowman

July 30, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

RW,

Oxys, skunk bud, Crown on the rocks, Monte Cristo #2’s makes me happy.

Yes, that guy has been on CNN all day but is not happy with title of the artice.

Like President Clinton said, we will win the battles but it is up to the Iraqi government and their people to keep the peace. They took a vacation like you for a month.

Soccer makes them happy.

By @@

July 30, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

Semper just passed by the desk and told me some NYT reporter just came back from Iraq saying that things are improving. There is hope.

Semper may not be a reliable source. I’ll wait to hear it from the horse’s mouth, not the horse’s :-).

By getalife

July 30, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

Oops.

I am so busted.

By Dusty

July 30, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

Right Wing Nut Job,

You can’t speak for conservatives (right wing) because you are NOT one.

General Bosch,

If you want to “proof” me wrong, better get to reading the archives your self. I don’t take orders. What I wrote is exactly what has been suggested by different liberals here. Just because you can’t remember doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t.

By @@

July 30, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

Busted, but still lovable.

By getalife

July 30, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

@@,

Semper is right.

That guy said he walked the streets of Ramadi without body armour so there is hope of getting out of that hell hole.

By Midori

July 30, 2007 6:41 PM | Link to this

I try not to let a slur/falsehood/blantant lie go unanswered.

that’s how we got stuck with the incompetent bloodthursty psychos we have in the WH now.

However: (((( I kind of figured that nothing would have mysteriously changed but the names since it really never has since Midori started spamming the blog and got all the rules put in here.))))))

I have stated more than once that I post under my name, and my name only.

It’s not my fault that those in bizarro land refuse to accept that.

they would much rather throw a bone to their lunatic-in-arms, Andy — the source of all the discontent and chaos — and try to project his disgustingly childish behavior on me.

Whatever.

Those who have been posting here for a while know the truth.

The AJC archives are an “inconvenient truth” for them.

And they also know that RW the original lying jerk wouldn’t know or acknowledge the truth if it slapped him across his lying, dissembling mouth.

By @@

July 30, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

When are you gonna start posting as “Mr. Ed”?

Pucker up Wilbur.

Thanks for the confirmation.

By getalife

July 30, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

All I can say is Impeach ganzo!

FBI is searching Ted the tubes Stevens house.

Bust that bridge to nowhere loser.

By Midori

July 30, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

and oh, BTW — Dusty — you are about are relevant/believable/significant as a piece of gum stuck stuck to the bottom of my shoe.

why don’t you pursue some other purpose in life, other than posting a constant stream of idiotic lies and assorted dribble on this blog?

funny how all the wingnuts showed up together. are you all clones, or an outdated, obsolete computer program?

Dusty needs to upgrade and reboot.

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Dusty, That’s because you make general assumptions (which are wrong) like people’s nationality, no less.

Blind accusations, nothing to back it up. You are the epitome of sad.

The problem is, no liberal here has said that.

Again, you are blah blah blah blah blah.

You as always throw out rhetoric with absolutely nothing to back it up.

I mean, damn, even Buy Danish, RW, and @@ post articles, you on the other hand, well, ——-

AmVet, People forget to be happy while they are here, make good to people around them, and then when they are gone, the memories of those who’ve passed are what keeps them “everlasting.”

By AmVet

July 30, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

To all on the right, this will be my only post acknowledging you for today.

You may flame me ‘til the cows come home, but I am not going to go over the same old ground from before, when I was Huge.

BD says I’m boring. Fine, don’t read me. RW wants me to PROVE that Andy was a hateful maniac until he was recently emasculated. And I’ll not debate whether he deserved it or not. Nor will I get into other vast left-wing conspiracy theories. IMHO, it was karma and he had it coming.

I’ll not engage RW or BD with any of their other snarky comments that most likely will continue for awhile. And I will not respond to the drive bys of many names.

I am trying to follow Rule #6!

And BTW, @@, I have never been to DailyKos, but I get your point.

However, I WILL continue to lambast the Bush administration and what I see as an insane and deadly occupation, the worst foreign policy blunder in my entire lifetime. (Yes even overshadowing Viet Nam.)

I will try to have civil discourse here and treat others with respect, especially those I disagree with. I DO NOT expect the same in return, at least for some time. And certainly I will be mightily tested with those like Dusty who just love to doubt my patriotism, with unwarranted personal attacks, etc…

But I am very open to the possibility that this could change and I truly hope I am wrong about this. I have tried to find my own redemption and can no longer worry about anyone else’s.

And though the dyed-in-the-wool Republicans here refuse to acknowledge it, it is an irrefutable fact that I have also repeatedly denounced and abandoned the leaders in the Democratic Party. They are IMHO only marginally better.

So where does that leave me? An independent, non-aligned, Nader-supporting, political persona non grata.

And proud of it.

Good night all and see you soon in this crazy blogosphere!

By RW-(the original)

July 30, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

Midori darling,

getalife claims to only post under one name too. At least he admits it when he gets busted. In any case it was a joke, but you very predictably took the bait. Did you not remember that Huge was the Dkos spammer? Ask @@.

@@,

The editorial is from the Brookings Institute and was published in the NY Times. I linked to it at 11:06 up ^ ^ there and it’s also on my main page.

By Bosch

July 30, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Oh, and by the way, that religious observation is a Boschism, not one viewed or agreed upon by my church (not even my spouse).

By Analchord

July 30, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this

Dont post after 7:00 PM!!

By @@

July 30, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

Gee Midori. Do I get credit for not mentioning it was you who used that 5 yr. olds death, the one who was molested and dumped on the side of the road.

The poor little guy was gone, but conveniently at your disposal when you desperately needed to take a jab at RW, Danish & Andy.

It’s your odd/sick sense of humor that draws everybody’s attention.

By Dusty

July 30, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this

Analchord,@6:18

Now you have called our troops the Saudis Royal Family Puppet Army. Then liberals keep saying they “support the troops”!!! Oh yeah!

Analchord doesn’t even know what the “mission” is in this war. Have you ever heard the word WIN??

You, analchord, are not funny and neither are your “jokes”. Loser!!