Mike Luckovich

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

HA! Luckovich is spot on with the caricatures of Obama and Clinton — great drawings, Lucko!

By Mrs. Godzilla

July 26, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

Oh joyous day for the last of the neo-cons here! Mike does a snarky little toon - ridiculing democratic front runners. I hope the dead enders enjoy it.

How wonderful it is to not be a neo-con. How marvelous it is to have a slate of superior candidates. What bliss it is to have the majority of Americans behind them.

Can you imagine how sad it must be to be a Republican right now? Imagine a slate of candidates where the winner turns out to be none of the above!

We are going to change the way America works.

Oh, and let’s make sure all of us, our families and friends, get registered to vote early. Avoid the rush to be “caged”. It’s specifically important for minorities, seniors and military personnel.

By Why does the AJC ban conservatives but not liberals?

July 26, 2007 8:26 AM | Link to this

{{{{{{{The Iraqi Police Tactical Support Unit in Nasiriyah came under attack by Mahdi Army elements accustomed to intimidating their enemies. Supported by a brave (and tiny) U.S. advisory team, the police commandos fought them off. Instead of a walkover, the militia thugs hit a wall - and got hammered by airstrikes, for good measure. Then the Iraqi police counter-attacked. The Mahdi Army force begged for negotiations……… What were you, the American people, told about all this? Well, The New Republic published a pack of out-of-the-ballpark lies concocted by a scammer claiming to be a grunt in Baghdad. Our soldiers, he wrote, spent their time playing games with babies’ skulls, running over dogs for fun and mocking disfigured women in their mess hall…….. Anyone who knows our troops or has visited Iraq could instantly spot the absurdities in this smear and the soldiers in the unit denied that any of it happened……..The editors wanted to believe evil about our men and women in uniform, and ended up doing evil to our troops.}}}}}}}}}

By ANSWER TO Why does the AJC ban conservatives but not liberals?

July 26, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this

Because the liberals don’t link under stolen names to porn sites, when they melt down and then lie about it.

That’s why.

Neener Neener Neener

By fancy feast

July 26, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this

great caricature lucko. it certainly is a war of words for the dem front runners if the sentence doesn’t contain the words “bush” or “this administration”.

should be a good cat fight…

By Why does the AJC ban conservatives but not liberals?

July 26, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this

{{{{{{{By ANSWER TO Why does the AJC ban conservatives but not liberals? July 26, 2007 8:31 AM Because the liberals don’t link under stolen names to porn sites, when they melt down and then lie about it.}}}}}}}}}

Wrong.

What about the thousand other bannings before that one?

What about liberals jacking names and posting fully open to view vile vulgarity and foul mouthed race and sexual harrasement?

Nope, what we have here is called undeniable liberal bias.

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

{{Nope, what we have here is called undeniable liberal bias.}}

Nope, what we have here is some dorky troll who won’t follow the ground rules for blog posting!

By ANSWER TO Why does the AJC ban conservatives but not liberals?

July 26, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this

And Then continue to lie about it.

And then change e-mail addresses, so that even “banned” personalities can slink back in on their slimey bellies.

LINKING TO PORN SITES

FULL BLOWN (excuse the pun) PORN SITES

Not quite the same as calling you, or someone else a mean name.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this

{{What bliss it is to have the majority of Americans behind them.}}

Mrs. G— isn’t it interesting how the Repugs were so in love with Bush just 2 years ago, and now he has pretty much destroyed their party for the next decade or so?

“Instant Karma’s gonna get you!”

By Mrs. Godzilla

July 26, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

Goldie

Interesting Indeed! What happened to all those “W” stickers? What happened to all the fundraising?

Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to see the Republcan Party survive. They just need to divest themselves of the looney tunes on the extreme right.

I am filled with hope for the future of this country. It feels good.

By Anonymous

July 26, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

They’ve given us a full generation’s worth of shame to batter them with. He’s our new Nixon, even slimier and more disreputable than the original!

By Mrs. Godzilla

July 26, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

By the way, I forgot.

Gotta go slip into my jodphurs…. and feed the polo pony.

I got six hot chukkas planned today!

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

I recall hearing Bush telling Americans just a few days ago that “the surge is working” in Iraq — apparently not working where large crowds are gathering for celebrations. Bombs killings hundreds of people almost every day and this is how “the surge” is working?

How would we even know if it’s NOT working if we’re being told these lies everyday?

Then, just as suddenly, the moment passed in places, and the fractured Iraq re-emerged. As throngs of people danced and shouted in Baghdad, insurgents took quick advantage of the unguarded revelry. Two suicide car bombs ripped through cheering crowds in Mansour, on the western side of Baghdad, and in Ghadir, on the city’s eastern side. Together they killed at least 50 people and wounded 135 more, according to an Interior Ministry official.

These words are especially telling: “insurgents took quick advantage of the unguarded revelry.” Iraq will never be a unified country as long as there are daily sectarian killings in Baghdad going on.

By Why does the AJC ban conservatives but not liberals?

July 26, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

Huh, what do you know, links to gay websites and a rather descriptive gay sexual slur that made it by the censors, must be a miracle.

{{{{{By The Truth Hurts May 5, 2007 11:35 AM}}}}}}}

{{{{{{{By gadem July 6, 2006 02:33 PM}}}}}}}}

Or maybe they were liberals?

By Paul

July 26, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this

Good caricatures in the ‘toon. No more “Hillary in a dress” like last time. But the ears on Obama? I hope that’s not a subliminal equation with GWB. Back on the ‘toon, he could have had the “low tier” candidates, real small in the background, giving them the raspberries - thpppbt!

After the last debate I was struck by a few things I haven’t seen mentioned here (altho I was gone for a while). None of the Dems (except Kucinich - I don’t think there’s a special interest group he won’t pander to)are in favor of gay marriage. (Bosch - Obama addressed it similar to your post - it’s a church function, let the states handle it). Reparations for slavery? Again, none except Kucinich (I believe I have that correct). Talking to despots? Obama will make a break with the past. Hillary won’t.

Hillary’s finally getting pinned down. She won’t talk to despots (I’m waiting for the chorus that criticized the Administration for no direct talks with N Korea, Castro, etc). I thought a couple months ago she criticized GWB and said she’d talk to dictators and send envoys throughout the world. She won’t leave Iraq - she’s in, she’s out, she’s neither in nor out. She does the hokey-pokey (I believe the phrase of choice here is “flip flop”). She’s against reparations. (Side note: she doesn’t consider herself a “liberal.” She’s “progressive.” That says a lot -). She seems tied in to big business - the already-discussed reluctance to increase hedge fund manager’s income tax rate from 15% (corporate rate) to 38% (income tax rate) ‘cause they’ve donated heavily.

LOL - seems more like flip-flop Mitt or the reincarnation of GWB than anything.

Okay - for a couple of you - I can already hear the “neocon Bush lover” comments. Just for once, can we stick to the issues, please?

By ANSWER TO Why does the AJC ban conservatives but not liberals?

July 26, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

Deny, Deny, Deny Lie, Lie, Lie Blame, Blame, Blame

At least they are consistent.

Andy, who did you get new e-mail service through? Or is a name change enough to get past the censors?

Was going from Luckodull@aol.com to Duh@aol.com all it took?

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

{{Just for once, can we stick to the issues, please?}}

Yes, Paul— why don’t we stick to the issue of how many Repugnant candidates are not attached to Bush’s butt regarding “the surge is working in Iraq”? Just one, correct? And what is the likelihood that the majority of Repugnant voters will vote for Ron Paul in the primaries? And what is the likelihood that Americans are even going to overwhelmingly vote for a Repugnant to live in the White House in ‘09? And which of the Repugnant front-runners have NOT done major FLIP-FLOPS over the issues in order to appeal to the Repug voters?

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

Questions: What is “conservative” about invading and occupying a foreign country that did not attack America first? What is “conservative” about running up the biggest deficits in gov’t spending since the Reagan years in the 80’s? Who are the “conservatives” that are promoting “conservative values” these days?

By Paul

July 26, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

Ah, Goldie, so predictable. The very first sentence and your response to Hillary’s specifics is to address Bush’s debacle and Iraq. Let’s see, I pointed out Hillary’s changing position on Iraq (sounds better than flipflop, yes?), her desire to leave tens of thousands of forces in Iraq, her nonsupport of gay marriage, her nonsupport of reparations, her changing position on opening a dialogue with hostile leaders, giving millions and millions in tax breaks to her donors - and you talk about a Rep Pres, candidates, or you point to Rep flip-flops (sorry, Goldie, I beat you to it in my post).

So, no comment about any of those issues? No consideration that Obama may be a more principled candidate? Ah, well, predictability is good, sometimes.

By The Watcher

July 26, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Are you attached to the swifboat group or what?

Attemtping to paint Hillary as a flip flopper just isn’t going to work.

Take a new tack Paul. The old ways won’t work this time around.

If you disagree with a policy, state your oppostion, but try and stay out of the muck. You can be better than that.

By TIFF

July 26, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

Mike, I have always liked your toons except for the ones I just didn’t get. This one I get, but tell me why did you have to draw Hillary as big as Mr. Snuffaluopagus. It shows the kind of man you are, you focus to much on what size a woman is. The kind of man who would leave his wife if she gained 10 lbs. after having their first child. I believe even us thinner women should speak out when men make fun of other womens weight. Besides I don’t know which tv screen you’ve been looking at, I don’t see this lady blowing up any scales.

By Questions for the Republicans

July 26, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

The Republican candidates all agreed that health care in America needs fixing.

The Republicans candidates all agreed that we need a market based plan.

Since currently, Insurance, Drug and Hospital corporations run our healthcare system - we already have a market based healtcare.

Why are the Republicans telling us to STAY THE COURSE on healthcare?

By Buy Danish

July 26, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

{{{…I don’t think there’s a special interest group he won’t pander to)are in favor of gay marriage. (Bosch - Obama addressed it similar to your post - it’s a church function, let the states handle it)}}}

Paul,

This is a ludicrous argument. The State issues marriage licenses, not the church, and many marriages occur in secular settings like City Hall.

You cannot have marriage recognized in one State and not in another. Like it or not, this is a national, Federal issue.

Churches may choose not to recognize marriages (or divorce) for reasons of their own dogma, but that is an entirely separate issue from government recognition.

Mrs. Godzilla,

If you are waiting until this late in the morning to feed your polo ponies then you are an unfit polo mom.

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

Defying the Imperial Presidency

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Gonzo on the Hill: A Comedic Tragedy

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

How secure is your right to vote? NOW investigates a secret Republican plan designed to disqualify voters. This time on NOW.

By Buy Danish

July 26, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

{{{By Goldie

July 26, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

Questions: What is “conservative” about invading and occupying a foreign country that did not attack America first?}}}

GoldieDummie,

What is liberal about waiting until you are attacked and thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of innocents die?

Everything!

If you want to commit suicide, fine. I just hope you don’t have any friends, children or other family members you are prepared to sacrifice as part of your great plan to do absolutely nothing.

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

LETS BE FAIR AND BALANCED

A few flubs in the Democrats’ first “official” debate.

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

{{The very first sentence and your response to Hillary’s specifics is to address Bush’s debacle and Iraq.}}

Uber-Paul, you closed your initial post with the words containing “stick to the issues” — are you assuming that only whatever you post is “the issues” of today? What do you think is the biggest “issue” facing the American voters today? You’re still believing that the gay marriage issue (or even reparations for slavery) is the biggest issue that Americans are thinking about today?

Oh boy, the Dems can’t wait for ‘08!

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

{{you are prepared to sacrifice as part of your great plan to do absolutely nothing.}}

Once again, the idiot trolls assume that there’s no other answer than invading and occupying a foreign country to solve a terrorist problem here in America!

By Say It Ain't So

July 26, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

First, I hope that these two remain the front runners. It will help the repugs in 08. Neither one of these two will get elected as president, maybe vice president but not president! (just an opinion – unlike the libs who claim to know the future, my crystal ball is broke)

TIFF (9:50), I guess it is okay to exaggerate a mans physical features (big ear, little body, large lips, oversized chin) but heaven forbid the talentless luckovich draws a female with exaggerated features. Your comment “The kind of man who would leave his wife if she gained 10 lbs. after having their first child” is very revealing. I would guess that some man has ‘done you wrong’.

By Downing Street Memo

July 26, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

What is liberal about waiting until you are attacked and thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of innocents die?

NOTHING, That’s a neo-con MO.

By Presidential Daily Briefing

July 26, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

What is liberal about waiting until you are attacked and thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of innocents die?

Nothing, that’s a neo con MO.

By Paul

July 26, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish - thx for the clarifications about what I thought Obama said on the marriage issue.

Goldie - thanks for the “Uber” - I’ve missed it!

No, I do not dictate issues for the group. I did raise some points and asked some questions. The response reminded me of someone raising a question about Rep inconsistency on a “moral issue” and a conservative responding with Dems blocking CAFE increases for vehicles. I brought up the gay marriage/reparations because I referenced the debate - and it was raised and answered there. Also here, many times (I believe you’ve commented more than once on both issues). What’s the biggest issue voters are thinking about? LOL - going back years - for most it’s likely economic self interest!

Hi Watcher

Just struck by the issue avoidance of Hillary supporters. Plus the special interests (gay marriage, reparations) who saw (if they watched the debate) little support from the candidates. I give Obama credit for answering the question in an original way, with a positive alternative.

Swiftboat? You must be kidding. I suppose you never read my response on that issue.

Hillary as flip flopper? Well, my perception is she’s more reactive to public opinion than a leader to take public opinion where she wants to go. If your position is Hillary has not changed positions on any issue or has made egregious exceptions (my cite of the hedge fund folks) then I’ll have to respectfully disagree.

I’ve been pretty clear about my stance on many, many issues. This was a case of prodding supporters of some candidates or issues (who’ve found evaporating support for their issues) to address - why? Is it consistent or reasonable? If not, is there a better candidate available?

I’ll be gone until this evening. Have a good one -

By Analchord

July 26, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Clinton talks about a timetable. Obama would have us out in a flash.

Both are naive and reckless… We cant ever leave Iraq.

By the time Clinton is sworn in, all Americans will realize this. We are all on the same learning curve.
I’ve noticed how the language being used by the Right is slowly conforming to my admonitions and predictions.

We aint nevah gonna git outta Iraq. Why? Because We will become ethical about ethnic ethos, innane about ethane, and ethnocentric about… aw to hell with it.

Bush didn’t know what he was committing our nation to when he declared mission accomplished. “Hard Work”? Nobody will ever use that phrase again.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

July 26, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

-=-

Buy Danish just doesn’t get that whole “Invading another country” thing and just how serious that is. Like Nazi Germany “Invading” Poland.

But then again what do you expect from someone who would prefer we “Buy Danish” rather than “Buy American”!

Cheers’

By The Watcher

July 26, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Let’s be honest. Democrats are all about special interests.

The special interests of the poor and the middle class.

The special interests of the vast majority of American citizens.

Let’s call them the Special Interests of the American People.

Now, just who are the special interests of the Republicans?

Big Pharm? Big Oil? Credit Card Companies? Halliburton? Enron? CACI? KBR?

Let’s call them the Corporate Special Interests.

All that’s left is to pick a side.

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

A day after President George W. Bush sought to directly tie bin Laden to the Iraq group, CIA officer Edward Gistaro said the the two groups shared ideologies but that Al-Qaeda deferred to the Iraq branch to make decisions on the ground there.

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

HOUSTON (AP) — Exxon Mobil Corp., the world’s largest publicly traded oil company, said Thursday its second-quarter profit fell 1 percent from a year ago as lower natural gas prices hurt results. Still, the company’s net income of $10.26 billion was the fourth-largest quarterly profit ever recorded by a publicly traded U.S. company. The latest profit compared with earnings of $10.36 billion in the second quarter of 2006.

By Paul

July 26, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

Watcherthe article below the Dem Debate -

Saw your post on my way out - I don’t think it’s that simple. Check IN THE NEWS link at 10:10 - Hillary was incorrect on the “Big Oil Giveaways.” Then again, one could make the point that by waffling on fair taxes for hedge fund managers she’s giving up money to fund (pick your program).

But your sentences do make for fine commercials!

By The Watcher

July 26, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Why thanks Paul.

Your’s don’t. In fact I can’t think of a decent commercial concept left for the republicans.

Oh, except for the un-decent!

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

{{but heaven forbid the talentless luckovich draws a female with exaggerated features.}}

Ooh, Ain’t So— seems you’ve got a bad case of jealousy going on here. There are some good shrinks out there in America who can help you with your debilitating problem…

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

Document uncovers details of a planned coup in the USA in 1933 by a group of right-wing American businessmen

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Report of terrorist ‘dry run’ at Lindbergh a false alarm

By TIFF

July 26, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

I hate to disappoint you Say It Ain’t So. But I have been treated very well by men in my life. But your are right about one thing I did not notice “the ears, chin, lips, etc. on Barrack. And by the way, how do you know that I have even had any men in my life to do me wrong. Well, I was wrong for not noticing what Mike did to Barrack, I admit that, but keep the mind trip to yourself, you see my head is on straight. I was blessed with good men in my life.

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

More than half of DANISH troops have now left Iraq

ANY BODY VOLUNTEER TO FILL IN?

By Analchord

July 26, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Iraq beat S. Korea in soccor. Jubilant fans danced in the streets of Baghdad, and fired their weapons into the air, which is legal in Iraq, and traditional, like firecrackers here.

The rain of bullets as the spent rounds came back to earth killed three people and maimed dozens.

The NRA issued a statement that gravity was at fault and no regulations should be considered about the random discharge of assault weapons during massed demonstrations.

The suicide bombers that so quickly took advantage of a massed target show the depth and breadth of the Iraqi Insurgency.

We aint nevah gonna git outta Iraq.

‘muff said.

By @@

July 26, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

My goodness ml, you’re drawing Hillary as the “heavyweight”? I’d have to go back and look at your last drawing of Bush, but I think you’ve got Obama’s ears equivalent in size.

You being a liberal it goes without saying that you may have Obama’s ears so big because “he’s listening” to the voters…Bush’s ears are big because he’s listening to “the terrorists”?

Anyhoo…Hillary has political “savvy” against Obama’s soothing “salvy”. I’m liking Obama less and less with each debate. The guy has been given a helluvan ego which gives “him” the impression that he’s qualified to oversee all the dangers and difficulties that we’ve facing today. That’s irresponsible IMO.

I’ve heard that he’s having a lot of behind the scenes meetings to get him up to speed. I wanna know whoTH he’s talking to.

Giuliani has already told us who would make up his cabinet of advisers and I was impressed.

Experience counts for something with me. Joe Biden mentioned an orchestrated withdrawal over a long period of time. He dropped the ball when he didn’t explain why though. A quick withdrawal from the region puts our troops at great risk. Hell, we’re talking about a culture of people who think nothing about firing shots into the air to celebrate a soccer win. Innocent people die when they do that, and to them it’s just normal.

By Tom Dundee

July 26, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Mrs Godzilla,

It is a great day to be conservative.

It is easy to be a conservative when the best & brightest Dems are featured in the above cartoon.

tomtom

By The Watcher

July 26, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

Yep, I bet Guiliani’s choces for cabinet are as good as his choice for managing his southern campaign…..

By Analchord

July 26, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Serendipity in Baghdad: Two suicide bombers launched unplanned attacks on the massed soccor fans celebrating their team’s victory over S. Korea.

The difference in the game was a penalty kick. One referee was charged with fixing the game, and one goalie has been indicted for steroids.

War is hell.

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Shell profits jump despite lower production

“Isn’t that just lovely news? What other industry can overcome so many obstacles and still fall forward with an 18% jump in profits?”

By The Watcher

July 26, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

It’s always easy to be conservative.

That’s the problem.

The right thing to do is usually not easy.

By @@

July 26, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Since the cartoon is about the Democratic candidates, it’s only fair that I share this columnist’s opinion of John Edwards.

(((But I did learn a few things. For the first time Monday, CNN provided us with sustained close-up shots of Sen. John Edwards’ haircut, and I can now understand why he paid between $400-$1,200 a cut. At middle range, it looks deceptively like your average $18 strip-mall haircut. And it seems to look the same from the left side of his face.)))

(((But the close up from his right side is a revelation. Girding the long side of his part is an extraordinary spring-like wedge of hair running from front to back. And though bouncy, every hair remains in place — even during vigorous head shaking and bobbing. This gives his entire hairstyle a lively, youthful look. Most middle-aged men’s hair just sits on the head like a wet rag. Admittedly, the bouncy wedge does look a little flouncy when viewed from the candidate’s front right. But from any other angle and from all distances other than close up, it simply gives his entire visage a healthy, animated look. Well worth a thousand bucks a crack — at least in his part of the two Americas.)))

He went on to write about how Edwards stuck his foot in his mouth during the debate, but DAMN his hair looked good when he did it.

By mm

July 26, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

NEWSFLASH - The GOP will not win the presidency.

GWB has guaranteed that. And each week he adds another nail to the coffin.

The Dems could nominate a demented circus monkey and still win the election.

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Mitt Romney Spent $300 On Makeup!

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

{{It is easy to be a conservative when the best & brightest Dems are featured in the above cartoon.}}

Dundee— and who exactly is “a conservative” that is a Repug presidential candidate these days? Flip-Flop Giuliani? Or Flip-Flop Romney? Or Deport-Em-All Tancredo?

You’ve got a desperate situation going on in the Repug Party today and you think it’s “easy” — LMAO!

Dems Can’t Wait For ‘08!

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

July 26, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish is right “You cannot have marriage recognized in one State and not in another. Like it or not, this is a national, Federal issue”

I’m sure that you will all recall, or remember if you are old enough, that conservatives were insisting on federal power over state’s rights when miscegation was an issue in the 1950 and 1960’s. Conservatives were up in arms when states like Georgia didn’t want to recognize a New York marriage between people of different races. Conservatives insisted that state’s rights must bow to the federal government. That’s why former Chief Justice Earl Warren is such a hero of the right.

Of course, conservatives were consistent across the board by insisting on federal involvement in ending school discrimination, housing discrimination, public and private accomodation discrimination, etc… Yes, conservatives have a long history of promoting federal power over states rights. All the while liberals insisted on blacks being treated as second class citizens if a state so decided. That’s why all of the white people in the South vote Republican now. Its because they are so happy that conservatives showed them the way to loving, and treating equal, their fellow black citizens. Why blacks insist on voting for the libs at a rate of 20 to 1 is difficult for me to understand, but of course I’m,

RWNJIFG

By Analchord

July 26, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

George Bush could easily suspend the elections for reasons of national security and I fully expect him to do so, and if he doesn’t I will be disappointed. I’ve come to admire the stubborness and creative Nixoning of our constitution. We all love evil genius whether we admit it or not.

Bush is an uber-president. History has only seen his kind once before: in Robespierre!!!

He loves power, he eats it up like candy. But Bush knows it’s not enough to be tough, you gotta be durable too…..

Most aint.

By Say It Ain't So

July 26, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

Goldie (10:52) “seems you’ve got a bad case of jealousy going on here.” huh? Care to explain? No thank you, shrinks are the crutch of the libs. Also, please help me, can you explain what is my ‘debilitating problem’ is? Or is this just more of your name calling?

TIFF (10:57) To make that assertion just because of the drawing indicates that you, in fact, do not have your ‘head on straight’. Mickey seems to draw all his characters with oversized-exaggerated features, not just Barrack. Please explain where the “10 pounds…leave his wife” comment comes from.

By Tom Dundee

July 26, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Right on! Iraq did not attack the US.

Neither did Afghanistan.

We were attacked by Islamic terrorists and since they don’t represent a country, it is best to kill them where they are found. Iraq is as good a place as any. However, that is not to say that there aren’t plenty of Islamic terrs in the US that need killing. The US military by law is prohibited from being deployed in the US, so they can be kept busy overseas, and the police can kill Islamic terrs in the US. Private citizens will serve as a backup if there is another attack.

An Islamic terr is anyone concerned with Islamic rights or discrimination.

By getalife

July 26, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Yes Tom,

How proud you should be of this failed administration, the worst in history.

How proud you should be of the joke ganzo and the special counsel to impeach him.

How proud you should be of the trashing of the law and Constitution.

How proud you should be that OBL and his gang is still out there planning their next attack.

Actually, you should be ashamed to be a con but cons have shame.

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

In the News @ 11:26 — and the really hilarious thing about that is Romney spent all that money and still he looks like a dictator-wannabe! No amount of make-up can cover up that trait.

Remember when Romney stated that when he’s prez, he’ll “double” the size of Gitmo and really show who can torture those detainees who have had no hearings after being confined for 5 years?

Quite the dictator-wannabe!

By Say It Ain't So

July 26, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

mm, your party will “nominate a demented circus monkey and” will still lose.

By France

July 26, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

This cartoon is pretty funny. Hillary looks insane - like she had a twitchy eye or something.

It kind of reminds me of Clinton’s “definition of the word ‘is’” for some reason, I don’t know why.

So half of the Danish troops have left, you mean the two that were there in the first place, so now that leaves one.

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

Ain’t So @ 11:30 — I suppose you have your own blog set up that shows what “talent” you have to offer America? Let’s see some of YOUR TALENT before you start calling names here…

By The Watcher

July 26, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

“Iraq is as good a place as any. “

great strategy…..

By getalife

July 26, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Make that cons have no shame.

Tom,

What is a Islamic terrs?

Is that w speak you spew?

Geez.

By France

July 26, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Analchord, Your 11:29 post cracked me up. That was funny. Wouldn’t that be just the craziest thing? What is so sad, is that, no, that wouldn’t be such a shock if he did that.

You better watch out though, Bush can seize your property if you hinder progress in the war, and protesting only makes the terrorists stronger (isn’t that Dusty’s mantra?).

You better lock your doors!

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

{{it is best to kill them where they are found. Iraq is as good a place as any.}}

Dundee— why not invade Indonesia then, where there are actual Al-Qaeda members living? Of course you know that Iraq had no functioning terrorist groups in Iraq before we invaded, correct? Because you’re so up on the history of Iraq and what it was like living under that evil dictator Saddam Hussein, correct?

Al-Qaeda in Iraq exists solely because America brought them there with our invasion of that country and Rummy’s failed plan of occupation — you must be so proud of that accomplishment, Dundee!

By Yes, I'm a crazy Scientologist

July 26, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

“shrinks are the crutch of the libs.”

I’m going to the mother ship soon too

By getalife

July 26, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

The gop candidates are so bad cheney is thinking about running.

Of course, he will not answer any questions and tell reporters to go f******* themselves.

I bet Tom is real proud of dick.

By shrinks are the crutch of the libs.

July 26, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

That’s why Foley talked to them in Rehab

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

July 26, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Those of you who are interested in what makes us Right Wing Nut Cases tick should watch this video on the Republican base:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/rapture-ready-the-unauthb57826.html

RWNJIFG

By @@

July 26, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Watcher @ 11:16. Am I to assume that you’ve already made your selection as to which Democratic candidate you’ll be voting for? You’ll be basing your vote on what exactly? Gender, race, ethnicity, looks, experience or “greeness”?

I haven’t made my final decision yet. It’s too far out. I’m liking most of the choices. A conservative doesn’t expect perfection in their candidates. We’re realists.

It’s you liberals that believe in utopia.

By Bosch

July 26, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

Great toon! Finally, the neos can relax about Luckovich drawing anti-Bush cartoons.

Here is the scariest, insane comment I’ve ever seen on this blog:

“However, that is not to say that there aren’t plenty of Islamic terrs in the US that need killing.”

“THAT NEED KILLING?” ARE YOU F!CKING KIDDING ME?

Followed by:

“Private citizens will serve as a backup if there is another attack.”

So, I guess we all need to go out and get ourselves armed to the gills because it looks like we are going to have to start killing off them there Islamic terrs that need killing.

Wow, that Tom person is really scary.

By Tom Dundee

July 26, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

GetaLife,

All this talk, not yours, about there being no conservatives remaining.

But back to you Geta…

I am so glad that Bush failed in his attempt at immigration reform. Now all we need to do is get Bush et al, to enforce the existing immigration law. Remember, most of his support came from Dems & some Reps. Neither party wanted this issue to surface, but the people are fed up.

We, as in Western civilization, need to win this War on Terror/the War against Islamic terrorists to survive. In the Islamic mind this is the same war that Mohmammad started in 632 AD when he sent out the Islamic armies out to slay the infidel & conquer the world for Allah. One long war, with many battles & many truces, but never a peace with the infidel. The Koran prohibits its followers from making peace with the infidel.

Islam is at war with Animists, Buddhists, Christians (in Africa & Asia, not just the white kind), Hindus, of course the Jews, and other Moslems; they live in peace with no one. Animists improved in my mind when I learned that Islamites want to kil them more than they want to kill infidels.

By The Watcher

July 26, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

Bandy D@@steRWs

You, of all people, absolutely should not assume anything.

Now show me a liberal who believes in Utopia.

It’s you cons waiting for the Rapture…

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

July 26, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

-=-

So if Cheney runs for President will the NeoCons buttons they wear and their bumper-stickers read:

“I Like Dick!”

Cheers’

-=-

By Say It Ain't So

July 26, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Goldie, I never called anyone a “name”. That’s your party’s specialty when they don’t have a clue what they are talking about. I commented on his talent. I did not claim to share the talent that he thinks he has. I have never called you brainless even though you have shown time after time on this site that you are probably lacking in that department, now have I?

My own blog… no way! No time for that. I enjoy watching all you spin masters here. Between you, getalife, bosch and the rest of the libs, I get more than enough of the “recommended dose of daily laughter”.

By getalife

July 26, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

Tom,

I never said there are no cons just how proud you must be of your party.

w does not enforce the law, try to keep up. Do you read?

I see you are scared of death of Islam. Do you post at the lgf?

Me, not scared but would like to get OBL and his gang for 9/11. They are in Pakistan training and planning to come kill you. Your chances of being killed by them are like winning the lottery so grow a spine.

Geez.

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

Thomas @ 11:53 — and another Repug button for ‘08 might read:

“I Like Dick and No Longer Love Bush!”

By Bosch

July 26, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

I’m not much of a Koran expert, but where in the Koran exactly does it state that Muslims can not make peace with the infidel?

By Bosch

July 26, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

Goldie -

You are a BAD GIRL!!!!!

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

July 26, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika’ Century~! that is a ridiculous. The buttons obviously would say something that wasn’t suggestive like: “We Want More Dick!!!” or “What a Dick!!!” or “We Haven’t Had Enough Dick.”

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

{{My own blog… no way! No time for that. I enjoy watching all you spin masters here.}}

Ain’t So — so what is YOUR TALENT that makes you feel so comfortable calling Luckovich “untalented”… you who wouldn’t dare call others names???

By getalife

July 26, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Muslims are sick of the bombings and the extremists are the minority like the wingnuts.

Go figure.

Geez.

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Bosch— whaaatt…

Just because only about 15% of Repugs still like Dick? Now there’s some scary Americans!

By Tom Dundee

July 26, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

Hi Bosch, Geta, Goldie, & Watcher,

I apologize if I neglected anybody in my salutation.

A reporter asked a Moslem activist, “Why all the violence”? The activist/terrorist if given time replied, “Violence achieves results other means don’t get.”

watcher- it is a great strategy except we aren’t killing enough terrs, mainly by not dropping enough bombs. Let our soldiers fight under WWII rules for US soldiers.

Goldie- No need to invade any nations, just drop conventional bombs, when they ask for peace there will be peace. -Al Quaeda had a training camp in Iraq, right on the border with Iran before the War. That way the cowards could run into the other country if they were attacked from the other side.

Geta..- “Is that w speak”? By W if you mean Bush, remember on Sept 18, 2001 Bush said, “Islam is a religion of peace & tolerance”. And I thought, “Maybe you are as dumb as the Dems think you are.” “‘Peace came at the point of a sword’and ‘Islam was spread by fire & sword’.”

and Goldie, Do I detect a bit of ‘penis envy’ with your comment about being proud of Dick?

It’s been fun guys, I am off the web and won’t be back until Monday.

tomtom

By Bosch

July 26, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Getalife, I heard a really scary guy on the radio this morning who was filing a lawsuit to have “Ladies Night” at bars banned. I thought I had heard the scariest comments for the day, but I was sorely wrong and mistaken.

To quote: “GEEZ!” Indeed.

By getalife

July 26, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

@@,

Your choice will be a no brainer, if you will.

They all want to stay the w course.

Its tough being a con.

Sit back and do nothing but cheer on more destruction of our country.

Geez.

By panderman

July 26, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

Does one have to throw a quarter in Goldie’s bucket to post a comment here?

Newsflash: Bush is NOT running in ‘08.

By getalife

July 26, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

Tom,

There is a hate Islam blog called the little green footballs.

They would love you over there. They are scared to death of Islam too.

Tell them “joewilson” said grow a freaking spine.

Geez.

By Tom Dundee

July 26, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

When you said ‘w speak’ did you mean “WUSS”.

Bosch,

I’ll get back to you Monday on the sura.

By getalife

July 26, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I saw that too.

Ladies night is the best night to meet the ladies.

I guess he is going to wrong bar.

Geez.

By Bosch

July 26, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Okay, what the hell is a “sura?”

Does anybody know? Muslims don’t scare me - Tom does.

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Breaking: In Letter To Hillary, Gates Confirms “Planning Taking Place” For Withdrawal

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

July 26, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

tomtom has a great point. If we just keep bombing these countries, their citizens will be terrorized and then we can get what we want through terror. Sheer terror. Lots of terror. Terror every day. Terror every night. Fear is a great motivator. Victory through terror, now that’s some great thinking there tom. It is this sort of thinking that seperates us from our enemy.

RWNJIFG

By getalife

July 26, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

panderman,

The gop candidates use his same positions.

Rudy is worse than w.

By Bosch

July 26, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

Getalife, Could you believe that guy? He was nuts. He obviously had some control issues.

You said you “saw” it? Like on TV or something? I heard that loon on the radio this morning — 99X. All of the DJs were in total shock, I thought Leslie was going to have a heart attack.

I usually listen to NPR in the mornings, but Morning Edition just couldn’t beat that!

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

{{Sheer terror. Lots of terror. Terror every day. Terror every night. Fear is a great motivator.}}

Spot on, Nut Job — you’ve nailed the Neo-Cons’ mantra again!

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

BAGHDAD, July 26 (Reuters) - Five U.S. soldiers were killed in Iraq over the past two days, the military said on Thursday.

By Say It Ain't So

July 26, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

Panderman (12:20), No you don’t need to flip Goldie a quarter.

Goldie you so funny.

The only ones who take Goldie seriously are the other less knowledgeable jokes.

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Rules Change for Photos of War Casualties

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

{{Newsflash: Bush is NOT running in ‘08.}}

Pander— but wouldn’t you agree that if you Repugs still loved Bush, you’d be pushing for Jeb to enter the race… why not do that? Is it because you no longer love Bush?

By getalife

July 26, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I saw the headline on the most popular stories on the right side of this blog.

I did not click on it but it brought back good memories of ladies night.

We would show up around ten and the ladies would be hammered.

Great times.

By Paul

July 26, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

Bosch 12:03

Hello again -

A book I’ve recommended in the past - as it’s one of the most thoughtful I’ve read on the subject is “Future Jihad” by Walid Phares. He has a new one out about The Clash of Ideas - that I’m looking forward to read.

getalife has an excellent point at 12:08 - a recent ABC News Poll shows support for suicide bombings has dramatically decreased among Muslims - with the exception of the “Palestinian” territories - where it’s higher than ever.

The nightmare scenario (to some who deal in “worst case theorizing”) is a radical Islam movement in alliance with a radical Islam government (think Taliban Afghanistan, but with education, infrastructure, oodles of oil money) who has possession of nukes or other such weapons and a stated ideology to use them - either indirectly or passed off to third parties.

Fanatics often have influence far exceeding their numbers. Other examples abound! :)

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

George Bush’s Al Qaeda Lies Exposed

By getalife

July 26, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Yes, the extremists on both sides have lost their support.

I think providing basic services and jobs is the key to keep the violence to a minimum.

A moderate approach, if you will.

By mm

July 26, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Bush’s new cold war getting closer.

Is Armageddon his true goal?

By The Other Side of the Coin

July 26, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

“The nightmare scenario (to some who deal in “worst case theorizing”) is a radical Christian movement in alliance with a radical ideological government (think the Bush Administration, with education, infrastructure, oodles of money) who possesses nukes or other such weapons and has used them - directly.”

What a nightmare is may depend on your perspective.

By Say It Ain't So

July 26, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Getalife (12:43) “We would show up around ten and the ladies would be hammered. Great times.”

I take this to indicate that in your younger days you had ‘great times’ with drunk ladies? From the sounds of it you must be one great guy! A real ladies man…not!

Hammered = Easy = Great Time

Sober = Ignored ME = No ‘Great Time’

That about sum it up?

By Bosch

July 26, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Paul, Unfortunately, that nightmare scenario isn’t so far fetched - think Pakistan without the current leader.

mm, I think he’s trying to bring on the rapture.

By getalife

July 26, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

If you say so,

Actually, I was hammered with them and never sober.

Dancing, get your mind out of the gutter pervert.

Geez.

By Paul

July 26, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

getalife 12:51

Yes, that is one of the strengths of Hamas in the Palestinian territories and Sadr’s followers in Iraq - concentrating on providing such basic services. Of course when the Americans did it (building hospitals, schools, power generating stations, water treatment facilities) they got blown up. But the response of the people to these extremists is hopeful.

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Iraq What Went Wrong with the Rebuilding of Iraq?

By getalife

July 26, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Duh, we are the occupiers.

It does not help when our projects have basic services and they do not.

Still only four hours of electricity in the middle of the summer, if they are lucky.

I would hope if we were occupied you would fight back. I would.

Geez.

By raisedanidiot

July 26, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

Bush is gonna NEED the rapture to get him out of the mess he’s in…Bush and Cheney sort of remind me of a Laurel and Hardy couple…”well, this is a fine mess you’ve gotten us into this time, Ollie!”

By Analchord

July 26, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

The 2 suicide attacks on the soccor fans gone wild in Baghdad may have been a serious strategic and tactical mistake by the terrorists. The Iraqi authorities withheld the news about it so that the jubilant celebration could continue. Today Iraqis are mourning the attacks as a citizen nation, (not as worshippers), after all, their sports team is the Iraqi Nation’s Team.

The authorities and the people all acted as Iraqis in this incident. This was the first spontaneous and collective all-Iraqi moment in the young nations history.

It could mark the beginning of the end of the Iraqi War. In interrupting the soccor demonstration, the terrorists broke the 2 cardinal rules of geo-political dominium: Dont never interfere with a man’s sports.

oh, the other cardinal rule? It’s all about the beer.

The Iraqis may be finally fed up as only citizens of a nation could be fed up.

By REPUBLICAN=BUSH=REPUBLICAN=BUSH

July 26, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

George W. BUSH is a REPUBLICAN.

George W. BUSH has always been a REPUBLICAN.

George W. BUSH’s father was a REPUBLICAN.

George W. BUSH’s siblings are REPUBLICAN.

George W. BUSH’s wife is a REPUBLICAN.

George W. BUSH’s dog is a REPUBLICAN (the brains in the family).

When you vote for a REPUBLICAN, any REPUBLICAN, what you are sure to get is……..George W. BUSH. The face may look different, but what’s inside a REPUBLICAN is always gonna be pure unadulterated George W. BUSH.

REPUBLICANS now all try to distance themselves from George W. BUSH, which is exactly what George W. BUSH would do if he weren’t already George W. BUSH. So, the more REPUBLICANS try not to be like George W. BUSH, the more like George W. BUSH those REPUBLICANS become.

So we see, there is no basis for a REPUBLICAN to imagine that they could ever become anything more than another big fat steamin pile of George W. BUSH. All of us just need to remember the empirical knowledge that our empirical President has taught us……

REPUBLICAN=BUSH=REPUBLICAN=BUSH=REPUBLICAN=BUSH=REPUBLICAN=BUSHREPUBLICAN=BUSH=REPUBLICAN=BUSH=REPUBLICAN=BUSH=REPUBLICAN=BUSH=REPUBLICAN=BUSH=REPUBLICAN=BUSH=REPUBLICAN=BUSH=REPUBLICAN=BUSH=REPUBLICAN =……….

By mm

July 26, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

Analchord,

You are so correct. The only way the war will end is when the Iraqis want it to end. We are not going to “win” it.

This is what the wingnuts can’t seem to understand. The Iraqis don’t want us in their country.

Reverse the situation. If we were invaded, citizens in this country would fight back fiercely. The invader would not “win”.

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

ARE WE WATCHING THE DOW TODAY?

By Analchord

July 26, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

We see ourselves as Americans, not catholics and protestants. If the Iraqis can experience more citizen moments, like yesterday and today, then maybe they can see themselves as Iraqi People, and not theo-political lunatics.

But that’s overanalyzing one day in the life of this war. Just hopelessly optimistic.

I want W to succeed in this adventure. The idea that we win and get out of there clean and leave behind admirable stability and prosperity?

Where Do I sign? I can dream, cant I?

By mm

July 26, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

I wish we could win, too. But I gave up on that silly idea about 2 years ago.

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

{{ARE WE WATCHING THE DOW TODAY?}}

Can’t stomach it today, News — more of the same voodoo economics coming back to the roost.

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

{{I want W to succeed in this adventure. The idea that we win and get out of there clean and leave behind admirable stability and prosperity?}}

Anal— that dream is long gone. Maybe if your guy W had done some homework before invading, he would’ve understood the different sects he would be trying to “unite” — which they’ve never done without having an evil dictator in charge of their made-up “country.”

Such a shame that your guy was in such a rush to invade a country he knew nothing about to begin with…

By Tom

July 26, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

Getalife: Lots of confusion here yesterday. But last night on “Predators” I DID get to actually see you! And I don’t mind saying I find you to be a VERY attractive man! I’m not quite - barely - 13 anymore, but can engage in a solid game of playing with Barbies. Frankly, I’m excited about this! You, the lure of the TV cameras, Crazy Chris - all of it. Ohh, and being manhandled by the freaky cops….

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

Gates expresses regret for aide’s attack on Clinton. In a new letter to Sen. Hillary Clinton, Defense Secretary Robert Gates apologizes for Under Secretary of Defense Eric Edelman’s recent attacks on her. He writes, “I emphatically assure you that [the Defense Department does] not claim, suggest, or otherwise believe that congressional oversight emboldens our enemies, nor do we question anyone’s motives in this regard.

By Bosch

July 26, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Analchord, I haven’t heard this story, do you have a link?

Wouldn’t that be the s** if this war was solved over a damn soccer game?

No, it doesn’t hurt to overanalyze, you and mm are right, they’ll end this war when they want to on their own terms - that’s why I say we leave now.

By @@

July 26, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Watcher @ 11:53:

(((Show me a liberal who believes in utopia.)))

You first….show me your philosophical approach in reasoning…

Priori or Posteriori?

Getalife @ 12:18:

(((They (gop candidates) all want to stay the w course.)))

Did Ron Paul drop out or did you have a brain malfunction?

Back to the pool…

By Paul

July 26, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

The other side of the coin 12:53

A good illustration of why such “theorists” who come up with such scenarios don’t get hired by private think tanks or gov’t intel agencies.

Bosch 12:59

Bingo. So hit Pakistan for OBL, riots ensue, Musharraf is overthrown, Islamists take over: welcome to a nightmare.

getalife 1:07

Getting inside that tribal mentality is pretty challenging. Many in the US (let alone the West) labor under the misperception “they’re just like us” and “the only thing different is our clothing and language.” Nope. Not at all.

mm 1:22

Only if our country was split into tribal, religious or racial groups, had no history of federalism or democracy, was ruled by a dictator who belonged to one of the groups we hate, then when another country tossed him (or her) our wonderful little groups began slaughtering each other… (go all CAPS here) and those occupiers kept us from killing and torturing the other group like we have been for hundreds of years.

Never thought I’d agree with someone who goes by “Analchord.” It’d take a skilled shrink to figure that one out -

By Midori

July 26, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

{{{“I Like Dick and No Longer Love Bush!”}}}

ROFL Goldie - I can’t wait to see that tee shirt :)

By The Watcher

July 26, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

I am not 12…..are you?

You made a statement. Back it up big girl.

By Analchord

July 26, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

Fox just reported another baby was born in a waffle house restaurant. Strangely, the baby came out mothered, diapered and burped.

By Common Sense

July 26, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

If Anal or anyone else here believes that if our own government were overthrown that we would or could regroup as one unit, you are smoking way too much dope. There is absolutely no way that California and Alabama would agree to be part of the same Government if they had the choice not to be. It simply would not happen, ever. And it won’t happen in Iraq. At least not by the will of the people.

Can you imagine the San Francisco delegation negotiating with the Mobile, AL delegation on anything? Good luck coming to a consensus. My guess is that the only thing they would agree on is to hate one another.

We are a very diverse country, culturally, regionally, racially, religiously and ideologically (much more so than at the time of the Civil War) and it works as long as there isn’t anything around to blow it all up, and we have to start over. If it ever happens, its done. The only that would change that is force, like the War of Northern Aggression and Reconstruction. The only way to save Iraq in the short term is to put in a dictator very similar to Saddam that hates Iran and is much more intersted in power and wealth than ideology. In other words, what we took out was close to the best hope for Iraq from an American perspective in the short term. Long term, the country will eventually be taken over by ideoloical thugs like what happened in Iran. Our best hope, in the long term, is to get us and China off of the OPEC teet so they don’t have the resources to pose a threat. If you want to win the War Against Terrorism, the most important component is getting rid of the profit that is made by our oil consumption. Every time you fill up you are funding a Madrassa and a terrorist training camp somewhere in the world. If we can put a man on the moon surely we can figure out a way to stop funding the enemy.

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

Late Term Polyp Removal of the Day

By raisedanidiot

July 26, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

By Midori

July 26, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

{{{“I Like Dick and No Longer Love Bush!”}}}

ROFL Goldie - I can’t wait to see that tee shirt :)

You guys are way too entertaining! That’s one tee shirt you’ll never find in my closet. ROFLMAO!

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

July 26, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

“I Like Dick and No Longer Love Bush!”

I we could only get Mary Cheney into that shirt so that she doesn’t burn in hell.

RWNJIFG

By mm

July 26, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

I never said the Iraqi’s would hold hands and sing kumbya after we leave. I’m only pointing out that, even divided, they are united in trying to get us out of there. Certainly once we leave, there will be chaos. But let them kill each other, not Americans.

The same would be true in the US.

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

{{{“I Like Dick and No Longer Love Bush!”}}}

Midori— that would be the ONLY upside of having Dick in the race for prez, watching the Repugs wearing those tee-shirts!

By Analchord

July 26, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Thomas Paine wannabe talks treason, and I say we hang ‘im.

I love this country. I love my countrymen. People in Alabama make fun of Hollywood types, but they know they need them. We are one country, and we all are patriots.

What would we do without each other? Nothing.

Where would we go? Nowhere.

I’m proud of my fellow americans. Look how many are dieing for the chance to fight for our flag. Where do we get such men? (poetic license)

No, somehow, along the way, we all did something right. We enjoy the benefits of one country, which was given to us by god and our founding fathers, by the narrowest of margins, in fact, the more I study the post revolutionary era from 1789 to 1812, the more astonished I am that we came through it. It was a damn near thing, my fine friends.

History is a groove. Google it.

By getalife

July 26, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

@@,

Ron Paul is a Libertarian. He votes with the Dems on the occupation.

Plus, he believes in the Constitution and not trashing it.

He is the best gop candidate but will not get the nomination.

Like Gravel and Kucinich, he brings dissent into the debate.

Willard wants to double Gitmo, other than that, your candidates are w. No change, stay the course.

All the Dems want change in direction.

None of them want to stay w’s course.

By raisedanidiot

July 26, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Nut Job - Mary may burn in hell, but not from lack of dick - dick brain!

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

{{Look how many are dieing for the chance to fight for our flag. Where do we get such men?}}

I don’t get it, Anal— who exactly is fighting for “our flag” in Iraq? That’s not our country, no matter how much you Repugs are still trying to annex it…

By getalife

July 26, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

Did any of you see me last night on “To Catch a Predator?” I was the one that drove 4 hours to see the 12 year old girl.

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

Nut Job @ 2:19— I totally get you. ROFL!

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

{{We enjoy the benefits of one country, which was given to us by god and our founding fathers, by the narrowest of margins}}

Anal— a country and constitution which the Neo-Con NUT-JOBS in the Repug Party (Cheney, Rover, etc.) are trying their best to dismantle. You must be so proud of your Repug Party being taken over by a bunch of NUT-JOBS!

By Paul

July 26, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

mm 2:22

Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense to me.

getalife

The more the Dem candidates talk (except a couple) it seems the only real difference with the Reps is how soon we’ll see a troop reduction. Two months, six months or a year. After that, it seems they’ll want to keep about the same numbers of troops in country for a long, long time. Like Biden said, time to tell the truth.

Great choice, eh?

By Cindy

July 26, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

Well, I visited my hubby who has been out of town for some months. We went out for the evening and over drinks he told me he was surprised I hadn’t yet said anything about bush. I told him the rest of the country finally caught up with what I knew about him for years and I was entertained just watching him continuing to dig his own grave. My husband who has been a moderate conservative all his life and hates bush then proceeded to talk about all the illegal things bush has done and was really excited about him getting impeached. In the meantime, I am still more upset about the stupid dogfighters than the stupid president. I have 5 dogs; all adopted; one a pit bull mix who cuddles up with me every night. Put her in a ring and she would be the kind to jump out as soon as she was released; she wants no part of that crap. But just thinking that the wrong person getting her could have turned her to a cruel animal makes me sick. I only hope Vick’s publicity will severely damage the dogfighting scam for years to come if not for eternity.
Rednecks and hip hoppers; what a mix!

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

Slave labor used to contruct U.S. Embassy In Baghdad.

By raisedanidiot

July 26, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

Analchord @2:23 - I feel ya man!

Nut Job - I know you’re using sarcasm, but that one had a definate lack of wit.

By getalife

July 26, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I guess you were drunk during the debates.

No difference between the Dems and the gop?

Ethics reform, lobbyist reform, universal health care, Social Security, middle class, corporate welfare, etc..

Geez, pay atttention.

You have a short attention span?

There is a huge difference not only Iraq.

Wow.

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

{{Rednecks and hip hoppers; what a mix!}}

I agree with you, Cindy — maybe the good we will get out of this whole Vick mess will be a change in GA laws that will make dog-fighting a FELONY charge, as it should be. To train and force helpless animals fight simply for blood, or even death, is a disgusting, sick crime.

And in a way, “gangstas” and “rednecks” do have a similar history of making very uneducated choices in their lives…

By Mel

July 26, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

True, Tom. There is excitement in it. The very best American can produce these days. Millions are captivated by it. When they’re not playing ball - or watching nascar intelligence, or getting drunk. Makes me proud to be an Americun.

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

FROM REDSTATE

It’s Time To Take Fredo Out Fishing

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

{{No difference between the Dems and the gop?}}

Getalife— that’s pretty much been Paul’s mantra for awhile, trying to equate the Dems with the Repugs, in his attempt at being “fair and balanced” — sorta like his hero, Bill Orally, thinks he himself is.

By getalife

July 26, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

Cindy,

I have a pit, the best dog I ever had, would not hurt a fly.

He just wants to play and wants lots of loving.

I just saw a girl getting rescued from a flash flood with a beautiful red pit.

She said she was scared to death about losing her dog.

They both made it.

By getalife

July 26, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

BO is at war with Dailykos.

He is getting massacred and kos is very happy with BO’s blog pimping.

KO named BO the worst person in the world last night calling him unhinged with his obsession with that blog.

The Secret Service is investigating him on threats he made to Hillary.

Karma.

By raisedanidiot

July 26, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

Rove is getting a subpoena of his very own! :)

By Dusty

July 26, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

Well, today’s blog is almost as good as the one from yeterday morning. That is, until they actually put in comments. Then all the liberals poured in and messed up the peace and quiet.

I was thinking that Gates would make a great president. Then he started apologizing to Hilary ‘cause somebody didn’t like her. Since about 75% of the country dislikes her, he’s in for a lot of apologies. Nevermind Gates.

The Goldie Godzilla Goober Group are already planning parties for 2008. I hope they are low key with lots of crow for refreshments.

So far, the non support by liberals for this country during wartime makes Democrats about as popular as Benedict Arnold.

Yeah, ol’ Benedict was the original American cut’n’runner. He would probably be the next Democratic nominee if he were still around. He didn’t want to support the country either ‘cause Geo. Washington wasn’t leading it correctly. Or maybe he didn’t like the “killing of our boys” or maybe he said “the British didn’t shoot at us first” and then there were those disgraceful defeats. Who knows?

There are lots of excuses for running. Those who stand and fight need no excuses.

By getalife

July 26, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Your numbers are lies.

I think lying is a form of disrespect.

Wingnuts have no problem being lied to and disrespected but real Americans are sick of the lies and disrespect.

Please quit lying and post Hillary’s real numbers.

She will be the next President so start showing some real Patriotism and stop bashing her.

It is unAmerican and unpatriotic.

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

{{So far, the non support by liberals for this country during wartime makes Democrats about as popular as Benedict Arnold.}}

Dust-For-Brains, the Very Deluded, has graced our blog again with her attack against 72% of Americans today… who exactly is the Benedict Arnold here?

Even the smarter Repugs are getting off of Bush’s bandwagon from HELL, and leaving behind those “Heil Hitler” saluters like Dusty in the dust!

By Bosch

July 26, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

Sometimes I wonder if Dusty is a real person or a computer program set up by the AJC to spit out crap on the blog.

It’s the same crap, day after day, with no intellectual talking points,

How can you take anyone serious who didn’t know that France helped the colonies in the American Revolution.

Dusty, please provide proof of this statement since you spit it out everyday: “non support by liberals for this country during wartime.” Just how have we not supported our country?

And, pray tell, how does your Fascist party support our country now?

By raisedanidiot

July 26, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

Dust ball - Arnold was investigated for corruption before he defected, then neither side liked him…sounds more like a Bushie to me

By Duh is for Duhsty

July 26, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

I guess that chick is for real.

What a pity, for all her “support the troops” crap, she spends more time at the pool than at the recruiting center.

But, Duhsty, she’s on the endangered species list. Not many like her left. Just 19% in Wisconsin. There are more like her here, the percentage is higher, but that is easily explained by the GA education system.

Duhsty, really doesn’t have anything of her own to say. She regurgitates the same old garbage day after day, then pops off to the pool, self satisfied that she is the last true patriot. Unaware of how foolish she sounds. I imagine it’s the same way at the pool too. It’s impossible to hide foolishness forever.

She can’t get past old news. She can’t fathom the truth, because she can’t admit that she is either wrong, stubborn or just plain stupid.

Duhsty is one of the reasons it’s great to teach abstinence to NeoCons.

We don’t want folks from the shallow end of the gene pool to procreate.

She reminds me of the lady in an old Lemon pledge commercial - you know dusting the piano in her lemon chiffon cocktail dress - oblivious to the real world.

Sad. Sad. Sad.

By Analchord

July 26, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Benedict Arnold was our greatest general. His mastery of strategies and tactics and his bold decision making ability in the teeth of a battle made him unbeatable. However, political intrigue embittered him, he lost sight of the larger picture, and thus he strove to get even with the ugly faces who taunted him.

He simply made a terrible citizen, but a great general. Just like Grant.

History is a groove. Google it.

By Anti-NeoCon

July 26, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Dusty—

Republicans are REALLY gonna hate 2008!

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

Intelligence Official Contradicts Bush: ‘Primary’ Terrorist Threat Is From ‘South Asia,’ Not Iraq

By Paul

July 26, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

getalife 2:44

On Iraq. That was the topic of “not much difference” among many. That was the reason for Biden’s “Let’s tell the truth here.” Hillary gets in. Rudy gets in. There’ll be tens of thousands of troops there for as long as they’re in office.

Now on those other issues there are some differences worthy of discussion.

Social Security? Who’s gonna tackle that? Middle class? Are the Dems really going to give up all the money they get from the Alternate Minimum Tax? (There are Rep proposals for doing away with it).

Goldie

Seems no matter how I rephrase something you are bound by ideology. Oh, well. I’ve merely pointed out that on many issues you raise the Dems aren’t in your corner. I mentioned minor issues like reparations and gay marriage. I mentioned major issues like a total withdrawal from Iraq.

I suppose you may not even be aware, if Hillary gets in, that you’ve been hosed. She could be Pres for 6 years and you’d still be blaming Bush (“how many years will it take us to get out of the mess they created”). Rather the ultraleft version of a neocon blaming Clinton for everything.

It’ll be nice if Nader gets in the race - then it won’t be just me pointing out the similarities (mostly empty rhetoric, lack of specifics and campaign by sound bites) that both parties favor. I can hear it now “Nader gets all his information from Fox and he worships BOR.” LOL!

By steve-o

July 26, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

Damn, damn, damn, Dusty…

By getalife

July 26, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

Uber Paul,

Goldie is right about you.

You want Nadar to get in to get votes away from the top Dems.

It is not going to work this time and if Bloomberg gets in , it will take away from the gop.

The gop wants to privatize Social Security for Wall St.

Wall Street does not need any help to make money.

Corporate welfare will end with a Dem President, tax cuts for the wealthy will end with a Dem President and the Iraq occupation will end with a Dem President.

There are many more differences but I can see you a lost cause.

By mm

July 26, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

Breaking news CNN:

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales’ testimony into a meeting with his sick predecessor is apparently contradicted by FBI Director Robert Mueller.

By Dusty

July 26, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

So the troops awaken.. Getalife, Perhaps you should show me some polls on ALL Americans, not just Democrats. The last I heard Hillary was at 46%over a smaller number for Obama and that was a poll for Democrats. I do not know a single person who would vote for Hillary.

goldie,

Anyone who works against this country during wartime is similar to Benedict Arnold. Every negative stance taken by Democrats in Congress reminds me of that. Probably why Congress is so unpopular. Then I have never heard support for our Commander-in-Chief by liberals here. The insults poured on him are not support or even helpful criticisms. They are simply “hate” and hate only supports our enemies.

Bosch, You are among the lowest of the name callers here. You take this high and mighty stance and then call someone who doesn’t agree with you “fascist”. My intellectual talking points are right there but you don’t want to talk about them. What Democratic support for this war? What support for the Commander-in Chief? Your only support for the troops is to make them retreat??? I don’t think the military considers that an “asset”.

As for taking me serious, how can I take YOU serious when your main interests are beer and soccer and your wife’s achievements? Those are your intellectual talking points. You sound like a wealthy spoiled brat who only likes people who agree with you.

Calling someone a Fascist is getting “old”. Kinda like calling someone from Germany you do not like, a NAZI. You need to up date your name calling.

Republicans are earnestly tryng to win this war and bring some calm to Iraq. The President changes plans as he tries for more success. General Petraeus is with him and Congress voted for the general before they changed their minds. It has often been said that our troops are fighting for us and fighting terrorists there. They call it fight for the USA.

Some Democrats are all for success and victory in our efforts. I do not hear them speaking here.

By Paul

July 26, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

getalife

Nope, I’d like Nader to get in for the same reason I’m pleased Gravel and Ron Paul are in the debates - they shake things up. They call the other candidates on their misrepresentations and fibs.

He exposes the hypocricy. And since he’s not from the dominant opposition party, the supporters lose 95% of their “counterargument” (mostly “Bush did this” or “Clinton did that”).

You think Dems’ll be any less beholden to corporate interests? Can you say “ethanol?” Can you say “ConAgra?” Dems’ll just move the pieces around on the game board.

I agree - the GOP Social Security “plan” was fraught with difficulties. But not indexing the current system to longevity or inflation is ridiculous.

Corporate welfare will end? I guess you must not consider hedge funds “corporate.” Hillary just loves their money and is willing to give them tax breaks worth hundreds of millions. And I suppose when a Dem gets in (Obama excepted) ThinkProgress, MoveOn and DailyKos will call for George Soros to move millions from his Caribbean accounts and pay his fair share of taxes, then they’ll ask the fat cat politicians (I’ll list Pelosi, Kennedy Edwards, you can fill in some Rep names) to pay ordinary income tax rates on their trusts.

But if it makes you and Goldie feel better to think things’ll really change if a Dem (other than Obama) wins, well that’s okay, too.

By raisedanidiot

July 26, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

“E-mails released by the Justice Department show [Attorney General Alberto] Gonzales’ aides conferred with Rove” on the firing of the prosecutors, the AP reports.

And all the little bushies are screaming, but but but but…Congress! Look at them, don’t look at us! Divert! Divert!

By FUNNIEST POST OF THE DAY

July 26, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

Republicans are earnestly tryng to win this war and bring some calm to Iraq.

The truth is BUSH wants the oil.

By Edith Head

July 26, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

Anybody notice Paul is just another neo-con in moderates clothing?

By mm

July 26, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

You don’t have any talking points. All you post from day to day is the same old drivel.

Support the war. Support Bush.

Everyone did until they realized the reason for the war was a lie thrust upon the world.

The support is gone. Face it. It’s like finding out your spouse fooled around on you. Or your priest molested your child. Once done, the damage is done. You can’t gain back that trust.

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

{{Every negative stance taken by Democrats in Congress reminds me of that. Probably why Congress is so unpopular.}}

And what about your own Repugs’ “negative stance taken” against Bush? Are they Benedict Arnolds, too? You’re so partisan and brain-washed, you’re just pathetic.

By getalife

July 26, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

Edith,

Yes.

Dusty,

Thanks for not lying about her number this time.I will vote for her. Now, you know someone.

Geez.

The Director of the FBI just called ganzo a liar.

Duh.

By Analchord

July 26, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

Fox just reported that another baby has been born at a Waffle House Restaurant, (in dallas).

Strange, the baby came out all mothered, diapered and burped.

By Paul

July 26, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

Goldie? Who? Edith Head?

Happens every time. Won’t counter the argument, post under a new name, call the person some label, and wash your hands of the matter.

Okay, another question. Some here want out NOW if Iraq. Everything. Not the Hillary plan. All out.

Then what? Act as if everything’s okey dokey and there’s no more need for bumper stickers?

BTW - Are the Dems Ever going to get around to reading their “Real Security” piece (I’ve given up on them actually doing anything about “Real Security”) or was that just more PR to get elected?

By @@

July 26, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

Getalife @ 2:25:

I totally forgot Paul was a libertarian. I WAS WRONG!!! <—-I know you enjoyed that.

Him being a “libertarian” has he ever debated with the Democrats? If not, why?

Watcher @ 2:03:

(((I am not 12…..are you?)))

Now you know the answer to ^^^ that question. How do you know? The answer is in the question…Priori or Posteriori?

Clue #1 - HuffPros won’t know…DU won’t know…DailyKos won’t know.

Clue #2 - I love philosophy.

For those who are so eager to cut the profits of corporations, I’ve often wondered if any of you are invested in a pension fund at work?

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

{{Hillary gets in. Rudy gets in. There’ll be tens of thousands of troops there for as long as they’re in office.}}

Uber— you need to look at Hillary’s stance regarding “support” for the Iraqis and what our troops will be doing there. It includes training the Iraqi military fighters and guarding the borders. She does not state that American troops will still be doing the fighting for the Iraqi military — that’s THE IRAQIS’ JOB to do.

Once again, you’re trying to conflate Hillary and other Dems’ positions with Giuliani’s and Romney’s stance of “stay the course” and “the surge is working” — that’s all Bull-shi’ite and you know it!

You’re watching way too much of Bill Orally these days, Uber!

By raisedanidiot

July 26, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

Dust ball - how many times I gotta tell ya? Facist is not so much an insult with you, but an adequate description: facist: a person who is dictorial or has extreme right-wing views. And lay off our future pres. Bosch! BOSCH FOR PRESIDENT!! Why do we not support our resident thief? THERE’S NOTHING TO SUPPORT, Dip wad!! We don’t want to “loose” Iraq, but there’s no way to WIN! EXCUSE ME if the loss of over 3,000 American lives p** me off!!

Paul - all in all I think you’re a pretty fart smeller…however, do you really think spliting the vote so we can have another Idiot/Thief in office is the answer? We could have another Dusty in office! Wake up and smell the farts in the real world, dude!

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

Emails Detail RNC Voter Suppression in Five States

IS SCREWING WITH THE VOTE OK WITH YOU REPUBLICANS?

PAUL?

DUSTY?

@@?

ANDY/DUH/WHATEVER?

By Midori

July 26, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

Edith Head,

I came to that conclusion from Day One.

By Dusty

July 26, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

Ho hum

Same to you, Steve0…

mm, You confirm what I say. You call “Support the war, Support Bush” as drivel. Yeah, that’s lib support all right.

Also, my husband and I don’t “cheat”. We are not Catholics. We support this country and give it all the “trust” we’ve got. So do most Americans. Liberals just make the enemy think that we don’t.

CRAZIEST POST OF THE DAY

“The truth is Bush wants the oil.”

Awww…can’t you do better than THAT!!! To quote getalife GEEEZZZZ

By Paul

July 26, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

@@

I didn’t quite follow that. Can you clarify?

Goldie

And that was part of what Sen Biden addressed at the debate. His point is the way she (and other candidates) give their answers leaves the impression they are for - what’s that word they use? Oh yeah - withdrawal. They don’t say “partial” withdrawal.

I suppose Sen Biden watches BOR?

Just so I’m clear - I thought you were for total withdrawal. Now. Ala Gov Richardson. That’s one of the few reasons I’ve engaged you on this subject. Are you now saying you’re okay with Hillary’s plan for about 75,000 troops in Iraq for the forseeable future? If so, that’ll change the tenor of the discussion. If not - then why support Hillary?

By Buy Danish

July 26, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

{{{By Goldie July 26, 2007 10:16 AM |

…Once again, the idiot trolls assume that there’s no other answer than invading and occupying a foreign country to solve a terrorist problem here in America!}}}

GoldieDhimmi,

I’d really like to hear you expound on the “terrorist problem here in America”, and how you intend to fix it.

Then perhaps you could expand those ideas and apply them to Madrid, London, and Scotland.

Thanks!

Paul,

Re CAFE standards, did you see that Volvo’s profits tanked because they can’t meet the emission standards for their trucks?

This is Volvo we’re talking about!

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

How appropriate that our blogging Paul admires Ralph Nader for having the guts to show up every 4 years at election time in order to be the SPOILER in the race — if he’s so good for America, where the hell is he the other 3 years between elections? I used to admire Nader many years ago, but when he refused to put his ego aside in the 2000 election and gave Bush to America instead, I lost all respect for him… such a pathetic person now.

By Paul

July 26, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

raisedanidiot

I’ve heard the argument before about “splitting the vote.” It has merit in the real world. However, I rather enjoy the full expression of democracy and opposing viewpoints. Some candidates come along and take votes from the Reps (Perot) some from the Dems and some from both. It seems to me if there’s a candidate a person can look at and say “dang, that’s what I think” they should vote for him. Or her.

BTW - I’m not stumping for Nader. I do like some of his ideas, his blunt talk and his challenges to hypocrisy.

IN THE NEWS 4:23

Do I think it’s okay to screw with the vote? Silly question. Of course not!

Unless it follows the accepted practice of offering the biggest bribe to whatever voter you’re after (along the lines of “I’ll give you X and I’ll make someone else pay for it!). That’s in the American tradition.

By Cindy

July 26, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

mm, That’s not news about Gonzoles. This entire administration is a big bunch of liars! Unfortunately the only people prosecuted for lying are Democrats. Another reason I despise this bunch of hypocrites.

And for Paul. My children, my grandchildren and great grandchildren will never hear the end of how terrible the bush administration was. Total lack of respect for the country and Constitution and devoid of true leadership skills.

By @@

July 26, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

Paul:

Sorry, I was talking to Getalife about Ron Paul, not U Paul. ;-)

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

FORD OWNS VOLVO

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

“Do I think it’s okay to screw with the vote? Silly question. Of course not!”

NOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

By getalife

July 26, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

OMG, @@ admitted she was wrong.

He switched to gop and I will never vote gop.

It is not that hard to admit mistake @@.

Good for you.

He does give great speeches on the floor of the House.

BTW, Obama is wrong on this flap with Clinton.

But I could be wrong.

By @@

July 26, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

BTW Paul, (blogger) Hang in there. You do have something worthwhile to contribute here.

You keep the liberals tied up in “navel knots”.

By @@

July 26, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

Sorry IN THE NEWS. Your fraud thingy was a TruthOut link.

I always think about Jason Leopold when my cursor hovers so I don’t bother going there.

Tamper proof voter ID. Who’s for it? Who’s opposed to it?

By Paul

July 26, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish

Welcome back. It’s been kinda fun today. No, I didn’t see that. Amazing, I believe trucks (commercial vs the American sales slice) are quite a large part of their sales. Wonder what walls are up over their that Ford couldn’t apply existing technology to fix the problem.

Goldie

Do you and getalife go to the same websites for your talking points? (Sigh again) - if you’ll read my posts nowhere will you read I admire him for the reasons you gave. Do all ultralibs have such difficulty with facts? I said I like the way he stirs things up and calls out hypocrisy.

But if you’re wedded to the two-party system only and think other voices should be suppressed, fine. Is that the same as vote suppression? :)

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

Please, Bill O’Reilly, spare us from your savage and inexplicable rage. We can’t take any more of it

By @@

July 26, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

OMG??????

There was another occasion when I admitted to you that I was wrong or am I remembering “incorrectly”?

By IN THE NEWS

July 26, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

the quote of the day from Ana Marie Cox at Swampland: You know if the Senate would just call it “legislative waterboarding” and not “oversight,” I bet they could get Cheney to support it.

By gtengineer

July 26, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Paul: yes, out now, tomorrow. and we don’t have to pretend that everything is okey dokey because it won’t be. maybe, just maybe, bush will admit his mistake and take credit credit for the entirety of the bloodloss up to now and for the civil war to follow.

forever recorded as the liar who killed millions, what a legacy… you voted for this guy?!? says something about you.

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

{{Just so I’m clear - I thought you were for total withdrawal.}}

Please show me where I’ve posted that I’m for total withdrawal, Uber. I like the Dems’ plan in Congress for re-deploying outside of the combat zone and serving in a support position to the Iraqi military. That will require a number of American troops to remain there for training purposes and securing the borders, etc., but it will NOT LOOK ANYTHING LIKE WHAT YOUR GUY BUSH WANTS in his quest to plant a permanent military base in Iraq and make it our 51st state!

I like Gov. Richardson a lot and I understand many Dems’ desire for total withdrawal… I’m just not sure that’s the most responsible position to take for the disaster Bush has created. That’s why I say that it will take a long time for the Dems to fix his mess…

By Duh stands for Democrat

July 26, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

{{{{{By Duh is for Duhsty July 26, 2007 3:19 PM What a pity, for all her “support the troops” crap, she spends more time at the pool than at the recruiting center.}}}}}}

While it is true that Dusty isn’t serving on the front lines in Iraq, most likely due to the fact that she is a woman who is no longer of military age, which most normal people can fully understand, at least she isn’t undermining the United States of America by helping the Al Qaeda terrorists, like you libs are.

Duh.

By @@

July 26, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

Hillary and Edwards obviously support vote suppression. At least Kucinich thinks so.

Paul:

You do know that the ultra-left here are paranoid, don’t you? It’s their love of all things conspiratorial.

There have been some very interesting studies done on the conspiratorial brain.

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

{{BTW, Obama is wrong on this flap with Clinton.}}

Getalife— Obama is my guy and I agree that he is wrong on this flap with Hillary! The primary process can get a little messy at times, yes?

By Paul

July 26, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

Cindy

Can you please enlighten me on what I’ve said that strikes you as support for Pres Bush? Some thing I’ve supported him on, others not. Some issues I’ve supported him on, the same issues I supported when they were raised by a Democratic President.

@@

Whew. Thanks. I still think some here confuse Ron Paul with Rupaul. Explains a lot.

IN THE NEWS

Shhh. My hearing’s fine. What “vote screwing” are you speaking of and why is it something I should invest my time in? Seriously. Only so many letters, emails and discussions one can have. Gotta spread the hot button issues around.

gtengineer

I don’t believe I’ve ever said here who I’ve voted for. I don’t believe Pres Bush will “admit he was wrong” because I don’t think he believes he was. Just commenting on how I see it, not advocating or defending anything.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

July 26, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

Duh is right. You libs are emboldening the enemy. Al Qaeda is as strong as it was before 9/11. Why? Because of liberals, that’s why. Liberals have fallen on their job in the War on Terror. They could have fought Al Qaeda in Pakistan and thereby weakened it but chose not to and look at the result. If the GOP ever gets in charge, you’ll see what we’ll do to weaken these b*******. I guess until then we’ll have to continue watching you libs lose ground to the enemy.

RWNJIFG

By Paul

July 26, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

Goldie 4:55

Well, that was well and truly interesting. I never said you were for total withdrawal, that’s just the impression I had from reading your posts.

I think much of what you’ve written will be the de facto necessity and what we’ll default to, regardless of who’s our next President.

Outside the combat zone? Baghdad and a couple provinces? Securing the borders is gonna involve shooting, maiming and dying. Also could lead to incidents with Iran. Then what do we do if democracy doesn’t work so well, a strong man takes over, or maybe they do Biden’s partitioning plan, then the killing kicks back int high gear? Stay in our contained areas and watch? What do our “advisors” do then? Seems like combat to me!

I think the plan you referenced is why Code Pink, Sheehan and others are picketing Pelosi. All’s not well there.

There’s a plan to make Iraq our 51st state? Wow. I learn something new here every day. The Mexicans are gonna be ticked.

@@

I never read those studies. They have microchips in the ink that scan your brainwaves and mark you for tracking if you think seditious thoughts.

By steve-o

July 26, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Please explain what is so wrong about holding auto manufacturers accountable to make cars the burn fuel at an efficient level in order to save us money at the pump, and even more importantly, lower the levels of pollution so that you and I can breathe cleaner air.

By Midori

July 26, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

@@,

If you bother to click on that “dreaded” link, you will see reproductions of those emails.

additionally, this subject will be covered on NOW (on PBS).

Next Time What an investigation into voter fraud is revealing about the Republican Party

NOW is where Leopold got the emails.

By Duh stands for Democrat

July 26, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

{{{{{{{By Right-wing nut job in full glory July 26, 2007 5:08 PM Duh is right. You libs are emboldening the enemy. Al Qaeda is as strong as it was before 9/11. Why? Because of liberals, that’s why.}}}}}}

Hey, what do you know, nutjob finally got one right:

{{{{{{{Much of al-Qaida’s resurgence is blamed on Pakistan’s northwestern region, where the terrorist organization has been able to establish a safe haven.}}}}}}}}

You know why it’s the liberals fault? Because they would wig out if we ever invaded Pakistan and took Bin Laden out.

They get weepy about us killing Al Qaeda terrorists in Iraq, how are we supposed to invade Pakistan?

Duh.

Duh.

By Cindy

July 26, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

Edith? Goldie? Whoever? You hit the nail square on the head. Paul challenges the liberals and pats the neocons on their shiny little heads. Only another neocon would do that. Even Republicans and other conservatives are admitting to the failures of the neocons and don’t support them just because.

She could be Pres for 6 years and you’d still be blaming Bush (“how many years will it take us to get out of the mess they created”).

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

{{ I never said you were for total withdrawal, that’s just the impression I had from reading your posts.}}

Uber @ 5:09— that’s one reason you need to stop watching Bill Orally all the time and then maybe you’ll stop lumping all of the Dems’ position into one “total withdrawal” position… you and a few others here are obviously as confused about the Dems’ different positions as he is.

And, of course, you DID post the following to me @ 4:27:

“Just so I’m clear - I thought you were for total withdrawal. Now. Ala Gov Richardson.”

So why are you now claiming here that “I never said that you’re for total withdrawal” when it’s right there for all to see @ 4:27???

By Buy Danish

July 26, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

RWNJ Kuffar Infidel,

If Bin Laden and Zawahiri were taken out tomorrow (if Bin Laden is in fact alive) what effect do you think that would have on IslamoFascism and the AQ network?

Do you honestly think that we could pack up our military operations and come home?

If the head of McDonalds retires tomorrow, do the franchises retire with him?

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

{{Then what do we do if democracy doesn’t work so well, a strong man takes over, or maybe they do Biden’s partitioning plan, then the killing kicks back int high gear?}}

Uber, the Dems don’t claim that there is an easy way out of Iraq or that “we will win in Iraq” — any course of action will be a big mess. We’ve got ourselves stuck in another quagmire. And partitioning the country may be the best way to go, just like Biden suggests… Iraq was never a single united “country” until the Brits tried to make it so… back in the 1930’s, I believe it was?

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

July 26, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

-=-

I’m sorry - but with the new technologies we now have today - any auto manufacturer that cannot get under the emmission standards deserves to go out of business.

Better yet - like the fossil fuels themselves the Combustion engine is just another dinosaur just waiting to die and become extinct!

Volvo, Ford, GM, — all of them - should be put out of business to make room for newer technologies and newer car manufacturers if they won’t chane with the times and start producing good low polution/no-pollution vehicles. They have the ability, but they won’t do it in the name of greed and status-quo’.

This is the 21’st century and we can do far better than we are doing — we need to get off the oil habit and quit feeding OPEC, Terrorist countries, and Oil Barons -=- and reduce polution in the process.

Time to spend some of our federal budget (In the Billions for a change) on assisting new companies with alternative car designs to set up plants and start manufacturing clean and non-oil using cars.

No let me re-phrase that — It is way past time!…

Thomas/PNAC

By steve-o

July 26, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

Andy,

You are a complete assclown!! Your 5:20 post just further exposes how insanely obtuse and shameless you are! You still can’t get yourself to blame our worthless president—who can’t seem to get more than 30% of Americans to support him.

You are easily led astray. It’s a wonder that some pimp hasn’t sweet-talked you yet into working a corner. Talk about blind loyalty!

By Goldie

July 26, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

{{You know why it’s the liberals fault? Because they would wig out if we ever invaded Pakistan and took Bin Laden out.}}

DUH— why didn’t your guy Bush take Bin Laden out when he had the chance to in late 2001??? Everyone knew where he was in the Tora Bora area, and Bush and Rummy said “no, we’re going to Iraq — pack your bags!”

That was one brilliant move on your guy’s part, huh?

By Buy Danish

July 26, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

{{{By steve-o

July 26, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Please explain what is so wrong about holding auto manufacturers accountable to make cars the burn fuel at an efficient level in order to save us money at the pump, and even more importantly, lower the levels of pollution so that you and I can breathe cleaner air.}}

Stevie,

?????????????????????????????????? How do emissions restrictions save us money at the pump? Do you think that boutique gas is a money saver for us?

P.S. Do you live near a coal mine or some former Soviet Bloc nation or something? What’s the matter with the air?

By steve-o

July 26, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

DUH doesn’t dare criticize his pimp—aka W—because he may end up getting b!tch slapped.

By raisedanidiot

July 26, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Buy propaganda- Do you honestly think that we could pack up our military operations and come home?

We could have packed up and went home if Georgie Porgie would have gotten OBL in Afghanistan like he said he would…the persons responsible for 9/11 would have their justice…and the terrorist would have stayed at home instead of organizing tupperware parties in Iraq forever and ever. Read my lips (i love bushisms)…WE NEVER NEEDED TO GO INTO IRAQ!! The Iraq crisis was FICTION!!

By Paul

July 26, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

Cindy 5:23

How patronizing. I’ve “patted (conservatives, liberals, neocons, ultralibs, radicals) on the head” when they’ve made a good point. Or presented a good plan. Or had an original thought.

Did you learn “cut and paste” from your go-to ultralib websites? You presented:

” She could be Pres for 6 years and you’d still be blaming Bush (“how many years will it take us to get out of the mess they created”).”

I wrote:

“She could be Pres for 6 years and you’d still be blaming Bush (“how many years will it take us to get out of the mess they created”). Rather the ultraleft version of a neocon blaming Clinton for everything.”

Credibility, Cindy. It’s too easy to check context here.

Goldie

You’ve been on BOR and that’s how your views were misrepresented?

Tell me, why do you think Sen Biden found it necessary to make his “let’s tell the truth here about withdrawal” during the debate if it wasn’t to counter the impression many have that when people hear the Dem candidates, they think “withdrawal” means “get out”? Not redeploy in country. Not go to another country so we can get back in. But “get out and stay out.”

Think maybe that’s why that neocon, super conservative Bill O’Reilly listening arch radical Cindy Sheehan is so upset with the Democratic leadership and is running against Spkr Pelosi?

Regarding ““Just so I’m clear - I thought you were for total withdrawal. Now. Ala Gov Richardson.”” The operative words are “I thought.” Shows an element of uncertainty (now you KNOW I’m not an ultralib OR a neocon!). Just reread it without those words and you’ll have an assertion. Read it as written and you have a question.

Easy, yes?

Buy Danish

New game. Dems want to stay in Iraq ‘cause Hillary does. It’s a crazy, crazy world.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

July 26, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

Duh, you are right. Bush can’t invade Pakistan because liberals would totally “wig.” As we both know, Bush has done and continues to do all he can to please those people so they don’t “wig.” And as you suggest, the risk of liberals “wigging out” would stop any President in his tracks. If you were President you’d make the same choice. Dead Bin Laden or “Wigged Out” libs? You’d have to go with an alive Bin Laden everytime. So again, Bush is not to blame it is all the damn liberals. Which brings me back to a point I keep reiterating and I wish I could get your support. Since liberals hate America, but have the “wig” power to affect military strategy, wouldn’t we be all better off if we just killed them all? I mean they would “wig” out about being killed I suppose, that would at least be the last “wig.” Can I get an Amen?

BTW: Your liberal “wig” theory of geopolitics is so fantastic, I really think you ought to write a book called “How Liberals Lost the War Because Bush Thought They’d Wig.”

I know some retarded paranoid schizophrenics who would pay top dollar for such a book.

RWNJIFG

By Duh stands for Democrat

July 26, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

{{{{{{{By Goldie July 26, 2007 5:34 PM DUH— why didn’t your guy Bush take Bin Laden out when he had the chance to in late 2001??? Everyone knew where he was in the Tora Bora area, and Bush and Rummy said “no, we’re going to Iraq — pack your bags!”}}}}}}}}}

I would love to “blame Bush” for that one but, umm, we didn’t invade Iraq until 2003.

Duh.

By Paul

July 26, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

raisedanidiot 5:40

IMHO, OBL dead, OBL alive; we went into Iraq, we stayed out. No difference (all caps and italics for the cut and pasters) in the sense that we’d still be at war with jihadists. It would likely have taken other forms, become active in other theaters, involved methods. OBL goes away, jihadism lives. Al Qeda goes away, jihadism lives. I know that’s a gutwrencher, but that’s how I see it.

BTW - there’s a show on ABC on Wed - about the best new impressionists (the Rich Little kind, not the Monet kind). A guy who made it to the finals is a Bush impersonator (he’d been teamed up with Paris Hilton). The audience reaction is great - they’re torn between applauding his performance and booing his persona!

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

July 26, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

-=-

LoL @ RWNJIFG

Realistically though, - If we invaded Pakistan, - Pakistan would unleash their nukes on India, - therefore destroying all those call centers that all of our american companies now rely on to do business, - therefore putting all of our american companies out of business, - Thus destroying America’s corporate structure and the American economy, - and therefore Pakistan wins and defeats Amerika’!!

Bush knows better than to invade Pakistan! - The CEO’s of the corporate dictatorship of Amerika’ - Told him so!

Cheers’ RWNJ’

By getalife

July 26, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Damn RWNJIFG,

That is is good stuff.

By Analchord

July 26, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

McRove has been served. Now there’s a timeline. Should be interesting.
Dow Jones only fell a small percentage today, it’s nothing.

The uberpundits come out on CNBC and try to talk people off the ledges every time there’s a small correction.

Dont sell, this is nothing. The market will hit 20K by the time Hillary gets sworn in.

By Analchord

July 26, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Fox just reported that another baby has been born at a Waffle House Restaurant. The baby was mothered, diapered and burped.

By Duh stands for Democrat

July 26, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

{{{{{{{By Right-wing nut job in full glory July 26, 2007 5:45 PM BTW: Your liberal “wig” theory of geopolitics is so fantastic, I really think you ought to write a book called “How Liberals Lost the War Because Bush Thought They’d Wig.”}}}}}}}

Excellent idea!

I can title chapter one: “The history of liberals wigging out in the United States.”

Will one chapter be enough to tell the whole story?

You libs spend the day on this blog totally freaked out about us killing and imprisoning Al Qaeda terrorists, you surrendered in Vietnam over a war that we had already won, you spend all night long in the Senate trying to find someone, anyone that will accept our surrender in Iraq, my hand is tired already.

Yes, I’m going to go out on a limb and say you liberals would wig if we went after Bin Laden in Pakistan.

Duh.

By steve-o

July 26, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

CAFE stands for Corporate Average Fuel Economy and is measured by average MILES PER GALLON, hence the measure of fuel efficiency, which affects how much we spend at the pump.

LORD HAVE MERCY.

By getalife

July 26, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

Speaking of good stuff, this guy is brilliant

If this was not the top law guy, it would be hilarious.

But, it is pathetic.

When will these people man up and resign fot their country?

Geez!

By Paul

July 26, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

steve-o, Buy Danish

I’d really like to see how this develops, but I’m off for the evening. Perhaps when we’re here at the same time we could discuss this?

g’d evening, all -

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

July 26, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

Sure they’d “wig,” but I think your argument, if it is to protect Our Dear Leader from blame, must assert more than just “wigging.” You must make clear that the “wigging” in and of itself stopped Bush from acting. Therfore, you must insist that the threat of “wigging” and the eventual “wigging” itself was of such serious concern that Bush could not act in spite of the “wigging.” Because I know that Our Dear Leader is infallible I am willing to believe that he had no choice but to bend to the “wig” threat. Do you agree? Because if you don’t agree then you are necessarily saying:

1) That Bush was too much of a wimp to stand up to the “wig” threat. Which we all know that couldn’t be the case, or

2) that your inital reasoning behind Bush’s lack of invasion was, let’s say, just a tad full of sh*t.

So which is it my brilliant Winger friend?

RWNJIFG

By Interesting

July 26, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this

the libs would wig out if we went after OBL in Pakistan and kilt him. It would cost their precious party the ‘08 election. Maybe it’s too complex for their simple brains. If Bush could go into Pakistan outright he would. It would win the election for the GOP. Musharraf is kicking some a* in the tribal regions. Thousands have left the area in anticipation of attacks. Libs have got to be the most simple-minded people inhabiting the globe today.

Idiots, every frickin onebrain of them.

By Bosch

July 26, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

I really ruffled Dusty apparently. Dusty, like I told you the other day, embrace your beliefs. It’s really okay. Look at the main components that make up the fascist mindset:

Here, I’ll help you out:

it promotes racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide. At the same time, fascists may embrace a form of internationalism based on either racial or ideological solidarity across national boundaries, Fascism rejects the principles of class struggle and workers’ internationalism as threats to national or racial unity, yet it often exploits real grievances against capitalists and landowners through ethnic scapegoating or radical-sounding conspiracy theories. Fascism rejects the liberal doctrines of individual autonomy and rights, political pluralism, and representative government, yet it advocates broad popular participation in politics and may use parliamentary channels in its drive to power. Its vision of a “new order” clashes with the conservative attachment to tradition-based institutions and hierarchies, yet fascism often romanticizes the past as inspiration for national rebirth

Based on your posts, I have formed my own opinion, that you are a fascist.

I also really do like beer and soccer, and I am really proud of the other Bosch’s accomplishments. I have several of my own, but I don’t like to brag. I also don’t like to give away personal information about myself on this blog because I’ve seen what some here will do with it.

Dusty, I’m not calling you a name, I am simply making an observation.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

July 26, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

Wait a minute, “interesting.” You are saying that Bush could and should go into Pakistan, but the reality is that he hasn’t. Why?

You are getting dangerously close to suggesting that Our Dear Leader is making a mistake. Such implications are intolerable to me and you ought to defend them, before we kick you out of the Nut Job Club.

RWNJIFG

By Analchord

July 26, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

Vick is pleading not guilty. he’s blaming his homies.

By N-GA

July 26, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

Well I think this needs to be said:

I am addressing those with whom I tend to share some of their political views (not all!!). These posters include, but are not limited to Goldie, Getalife, LHU, Midori, RWNJIFG, Bosch, In The News, Steve-O, etc.

Perhaps you should listen to Paul instead of attacking him. He is not cut from the same cloth as BD, @@, Dusty, RW and (of course) ANDY!

Paul has something to say, and a way of saying it. He may disagree, but his viewpoint is as an American. Remember, there was a time when many Democrats were Conservative.

At least listen to him and engage him. It will be worth your while.

By Buy Danish

July 26, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

Stevie,

I am all too aware of what CAFE standards are and the fact that Congress seems to think it knows more than engineers when it comes to designing fuel efficient cars and trucks.

I pointed out the boutique fuel example to illustrate your hypocrisy (or stupidity - you pick).

If you care so much about how much things cost, then why aren’t you shrieking about boutique fuel costs that vary from State to State, regulation that prevents the building of new refineries, our inability to drill for domestic oil, and the extra sticker cost that all these emission reducing regulations add to the price of a vehicle?

(Not to mention every other Big Democrat plan for us - in every area of our lives.)

Your interest in fuel-efficiency as a cost saving measure is therefore disingenuous.

Moreover, the fact that Volvo, the granola and Birkenstalker crowd’s dream car company, can’t PROFITABLY comply with government regulations should tell you something about how punitive these regulations are.

They can either lose money or charge the consumer a lot more to make up the difference.

Looks like another boon for Toyota.

By Bosch

July 26, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

N-GA - I like Paul. I have never attacked him. He is a true conservative, and I have nothing against people who can actually back up what they believe, and not just spew rhetoric day after day after day.

Paul actually sometimes makes me go “Hmmmm.”

By Duh stands for Democrat

July 26, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

{{{{{{By Right-wing nut job in full glory July 26, 2007 6:24 PM 1) That Bush was too much of a wimp to stand up to the “wig” threat.}}}}}}}}

Nutjob: Can you blame “Dear Leader” for not wanting to increase the wig factor?

You anti American libs may be a small minority but you are a voracious bunch, your media running full fledged fake horror stories about American soldiers while you totally ignore the crimes of the real killers of innocents, Al Qaeda, you babble day and night about oil, your legislators have completely stopped legislating and have gone to hounding the commander in chief during a time of war, you are insanely paranoid about the vice president, the mere mention of his name incites wild howling and gnashing of your teeth.

Why would we WANT to invade Pakistan and cause even more hysterics from you people?

Remember, Bush is a compassionate Conservative and is most likely ruling it out because of his concern for your well being.

Duh.

By Dusty

July 26, 2007 7:29 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

You are totally pitiful. Of course, I am not calling you names either. I am just observing with condescension like you do.

You actually think that I “promote racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution,imperialistic expansion, and genocide”? That really proves your lack of comprehension.

My original description of you remains true. You have presented only false accusations for “intellectual discussion”. I am not interested in your personal “attributes”. I’ve seen enough of them here.