Mike Luckovich

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 8:04 AM | Link to this

Gosh, what a fitting cartoon for the libs to run over the Father’s Day weekend.

It’s just further proof of the strange world that cartoon boy and all of you Cowards live in; where the depraved, unproductive, selfish, unnatural act of “love” between a man and a man is seen as good, and the Church is seen as evil.

Sick.

And by the way, which one of these dudes is Mark Foley and which is the 17 year old page?

Geez.

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Look who’s getting airplay on al jazeera:

{{{Iraq war ‘lost’ says top Democrat The US war in Iraq is lost and a further build-up of US troops in the country will not recover the situation, the senior Democrat in the US senate has said. –al jazeera}}}

They haven’t reported that the surge is a “failure” yet, I think even al jazeera knows what a bald faced lie that is.

{{{For Reid and his cohorts, it will not matter what Petraeus says this fall; their minds have long been made up that America will lose this war, regardless of whether she actually does so or not. To this effect, they have already begun to lay the groundwork for their attempt at discrediting him. In the last few days, Reid has cast aspersions on Petraeus’s honesty and willingness to attest to the actual state of affairs in Iraq; in September, it will only get worse. The end has been scripted by the left and the media and, come this fall, regardless of what information is contained in such simple notions as truth or facts, Petraeus and the American military will have failed — and Reid and the Democrats’ actions and statements (and ridiculous time constraints) will have had nothing whatsoever to do with it.}}}

Harry is just sticking to the anti American plan.

Cowards.

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By IN THE NEWS

June 18, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this

The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 295

By Lickodull

June 18, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this

Mike - nice picture of me and RW walking Bi Danish. Thanks.

No reason to be scared of us, cowards that we are.

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By Poof the Magic Lickodull

June 18, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

You guys like my new screenname? Me too.

Love and kisses to my neo-kkkon friends!

POS Andi/e

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By Bosch

June 18, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

Ha ha! Yeah, maybe those guys should look like the Village People or something like that!

This is a great toon on many different levels.

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

{{{But he (John Edwards) is running for president. And talking incessantly of poverty. And the environment. And most of us would find it reasonable to wonder: How can you open your mouth on the environment when you — carbon offset or not — have a 28,000 square foot carbon footprint?}}}

Cause he’s a two faced hypocrite liberal.

Duh.

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I see this is a red letter day for Polly, 8:05 and 8:25, finally a cartoon that it can fully understand and get it’s lips around.

I’ll bet it was just overjoyed to see two men holding hands.

That little Coward.

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By Dr. E Van Jellica

June 18, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

Mike, isn’t it obvious. You see no damage being done!!! Do you not see the evil in your own cartoon?????

That man on the left with the leash in his hand is asking the minister to marry him and his male dog!!!! Which of course is an abomination.

This is exactly what everyone has feared! John Smolz pointed this out months ago but the liberal media chose to ignore it.

Its time for an amendment to protect marriage.It needs to be spelled out. Once and for all. Human man and Human women are the only ones that can marry. I hate liberals with a passion.

By Anonymous

June 18, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

Yeah, it’s just terrible when rich guy shows some concern for the poor, isn’t it? Surely it’s better to vote for rich guys who honestly HATE the poor and do their best to screw them (in the asexual way they know best).

Good toon, and a good reminder that the only “perversity” is in the sick minds of those who claim to love Jesus while they hate gays.

By silver

June 18, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

The problem with rich guys is they got rich on the backs of everyone else. Take the Shaft Man at the Black Heart Group with his 15 percent federal tax rate on his obscene profits. What of real value does he add to society by buying marginal companies, loading them up with debt, selling off the profitable parts, and then taking the unprofitable parts public in an ipo, imho? All the shaft man s profits come from the pension funds that have invested our retirement money in the fad of the day, private equity, which is not really private. It is the public s retirement money at risk, but mr ceo is taking all the profit for himself at a 15 percent tax rate, and leaving the pension funds stuck with the debt and poor performing companies. Now compare that with the poor home health care worker who earns minimum wage and has been denied the right to overtime by both the dept of labor and the supreme court. No overtime for the working poor, but fat cats like the shaft man get a really big break on their federal income tax at a 15 percent tax rate while the rest of us pay a 35 percent tax rate on anything that even approaches a hundred thousand in profit. Shaft man is pocketing in excess of 600 million dollars at the 15 percent tax rate. What a ripe off, imho.

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

{{{Reid Bryson, known as the father of scientific climatology, considers global warming a bunch of hooey. Humans are polluting the air and adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, but the effect is tiny, Bryson said. “It’s like there is an elephant charging in and you worry about the fact that there is a fly sitting on its head. It’s just a total misplacement of emphasis,” he said. “It really isn’t science because there’s no really good scientific evidence.”}}}

Duh.

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By Fly-on-the-wall

June 18, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

You have a very good argument and it is the fundamental difference between Conservative and Progressive. Many, not all, of the current Conservatives view poverty as a sin - Old Testament stuff while most Progressives see it for what it is - people who either don’t have the same access to resources or have been shunned by society. There will always be a small percentage of people who try to ‘work the system’ on both sides of the fence to I don’t think we can point a finger in either direction saying it’s their fault. We need to drop the mindless verbal assaults and help people just as Christ called us to.

By getalife

June 18, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

Thanks to the gop’s gay hatred, there are not enough Arab translators.

Another loser for the gop.

Looks like Andy is spewing more global warming and flooding this blog.

By Fly-on-the-wall

June 18, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Bummer, my cut-n-paste didn’t work as planned. My comment was in response to the post from Silver @ 9:43am

By Funny morons®

June 18, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

Funny pic of the day

By Bette Midler Fan

June 18, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

So Mike, whats up with the gay stereo-types? You conservatives really anger me.

Do you think that all gay men have gay icon Judy Garland Toto dogs?????

What an old tired stereo-type Mike! Everyone knows that gays now prefer Jack Russel Terriers.

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

See what I mean about liberals being Cowards:

{{{“We are saddened by the innocent lives that were lost as a result of militants’ cowardice,” Maj. Chris Belcher, a coalition spokesman, said in a statement. “This is another example of Al Qaeda using the protective status of a mosque, as well as innocent civilians, to shield themselves.” Coalition troops had “surveillance on the compound all day and saw no indications there were children inside the building,” Belcher said. He accused the militants of not letting the children leave the compound that was targeted.}}}

Scumbags.

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By Funny morons®

June 18, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Sorry for the broken link, The file name includes an expletive. For some odd reason even an unseen URL in a link is being censored by the AJC Language Nazis.

I realize a mouseover will reveal the URL hence the file name but geez - why is the AJC so anal?

By Liberal Texas Democrat

June 18, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

where the depraved, unproductive, selfish, unnatural act of “love” << Right on! And every heterosexual couple who choose not to have to have children, but rather engage in the masturbatory delight of anal and oral sex without intent of procreation shall have their marriages annulled by the state and their tax benefits forfeited.

By @@

June 18, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Good grief ml; just once I’d like to see you view an issue with BOTH eyes open.

At a recent Faith Angle Conference on religion, politics and public life, journalists posed questions regarding the divide going on in the American Episcopal Church, as well as worldwide Anglicanism. It would seem that those Anglican churches in Africa are very conservative in their views on homosexuality. When one of the African clerics was asked why he was interfering in the affairs of American churches and the attack by liberal secularist groups he replied; “In my country (Rwanda) back in 1994, we had the genocide and the world stood idly by, nobody came to help us; we are not going to let that happen to you. We will not stand idly by while this dreadful thing happens to the Episcopal Church.” You have to keep in mind that this is an area of the world that is battling against radical islamic funcamentalists on a daily basis as well as liberal secularist influences.

There have been statements made within the church itself which could be seen as hate-filled. One such statement came from one of the gay pressure groups within the Episcopal Church, who said; “All I can say to you African bishops, is why can’t you go back to the jungle you came from and stop monkeying around with the church?”

So I guess you would like to close your “left” eye to the fact that a gay pressure group made such a racist comment to a church cleric whose only concern was for the protection of his right to adhere to his religious principles ml. Have I got that right?

Yup!!!!!

By Daniel

June 18, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

Is this your christianity?

By rushncap

June 18, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

@@ — I know you’ll be unable and unwilling to do it, but I’m still gonna ask: provide evidence that the statement about “monkeying around” was actually made.

P.S. The African bishop who is comparing homosexuality to genocide deserves to not only be defrocked, but b!tch-slapped as well.

By Oh the Humanity

June 18, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

Oh The Humanity @@,….Oh the humanity!

By Troops Dusty does NOT support

June 18, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Dusty the B!T@H gives her wave the flag song and dance and spits on these troops in the process. She wants them to die for a brainless president.

On “60 Minutes” Scott Pelley profiled a National Guard battalion from Iowa, following it for two years. One young man said before his deployment that he was going to Iraq to help those who lacked “the freedoms that we are afforded every day.” Two years later he said Americans had “a lot of misconceptions” about the war, adding, “They’ll just say ‘freedom.’ They’ll just spout … something they’ve heard that’s easily repeatable.” Reminded of his own earlier words, he described himself as having done “a 180.”

Newsweek June 25, 2007

Dissenters In Uniform

By Anna Quindlen

By Daniel

June 18, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

There’s the republican party.

SEVEN CHILDREN KILLED IN AFGHANIATAN

Quick, let’s change the subject.

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

{{{By Dhimmi Danny June 18, 2007 11:12 AM US AIRSTRIKE KILLS SEVEN CHILDREN IN AFGHANISTAN. Is this your christianity?}}}

Yeah, I’m real sure that the United States army carries children into battle with it so that when the enemy shoots at them, the children get killed and they can have some whining POS loser blame it on their enemy, like Al Qaeda does.

Their little useful idiot, Dhimmi Danny.

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By Bosch

June 18, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

@@, Don’t cherry pick the “going ons” in the Episcopal Church. There is a lot more to it than that. Yes, there has been some hateful exchanges, but the Episcopal Church has always ministered to those on the margins. Those signs that say, “The Episcopal Church Welcomes You”…well, they are serious about that.

Are you an Episcopalian? I am.

In a nutshell, there are several conservative parishes that want to leave the church because of there beliefs on homosexuality and their outrage over the appointment of Bishop Robinson. Basically, the Episcopal Churches stance on that is (and plese do not think this is a quote), well, we hate that for you, but if you feel that way, go ahead and leave, but you aren’t taking the church property with you. The Episcopal Church (which is the U.S. branch of the worldwide Anglican Church)is basically refusing to let the Anglican primates in Africa tell us how to run our church.

Believe me, most of those hateful exchanges made within the church have come from the conservative bishops and certain conservative parishes. They also had a HUGE problem with the recent appointment of Katharine Jefferts Schori as our new Presiding Bishop simply because she is a female.

If you would like more information on the Episcopal Church here is the link:

http://www.episcopalchurch.org/index_new.htm

I urge you to read more about the church before jumping to conclusions.

By LMAO

June 18, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

For those of you that want to use religion as your basis to judge homosexuality the Bible claims there are many ways to sin in the bedroom. The Catholic church used to only allow the missionary position. They also banned masturbation! (Good luck with that.)

Anyway, to be fair I think @@ and AndyDull should list all the things that they do in bed so that we may judge them also.

By Daniel

June 18, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

Which republican on this Blog will accept respnsibility for the children we killed in Afghanistan?

Will you care for their families?

How will you make up for their deaths?

Tell us how the killing of their children fights terror?

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Rushncap is right. Those African primates are some of the most bigoted “Christians” I have ever heard of.

And @@, you quoted these primates from somewhere “We will not stand idly by while this dreadful thing happens to the Episcopal Church” If you don’t mind me asking, where did you get that quote and from WHAT YEAR did that happen. I tend to remember reading that somewhere, but I can’t remember when or where.

Believe me, we don’t want or need their help. They are not concerned about the Episcopal Church, they are only concerned because they know that the MONEY the Episcopal Church sends them will disappear if we break with the Anglican Community.

The Episcopal Church is a very progressive church, we don’t want to go back to the days of witch hunts and burning at the stake.

By getalife

June 18, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

It is late term abortions on the Afghan children but the wingnuts are okay with that.

We cut and ran from Afghanistan to occupy Iraq for oil.

These late term abortions are just another consequence of the failed Iraq occupation.

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

LMAO, The Bible says alot of things that are out of context with our world today. It was written thousands of years ago by people who thought the earth was flat. Paul contradicts himself so much in the New Testament that it’s hard to keep up — the reason, he was writing to particular churches who had different belief systems in place. He was the perfect evangelical preacher (and would have made an excellent politician). Tell the people what they want to hear to convert them to Christianity.

By LMAO

June 18, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

Sinner: Father forgive me for I have sinned, I ate a lobster.

Priest: Eating lobster is an abomination. The bible says so. You could have chosen to eat the salmon. We have to protect our children, they may start eating shrimp. The next thing you know people will start wanting to marry crabs. Can you imagine the horrors this would lead to? Why Just the other day I saw a man eating a BLT!! The end of the world is near!

Sinner, you will burn in hell for this. There is nothing I can do. NOW LEAVE THIS CHURCH BEFORE I CALL THE POLICE, you are not welcome here!!

By @@

June 18, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

Sure thing!!! The link to the racist comment made by the gay pressure group within the Episcopal Church:

The language, the sentiment, and the depth of hatred in these events has been quite striking. We could have a competition as to which remark is the least conducive to Christian charity. I have a couple of candidates. Candidate one is Akinola’s remark that the U.S. Episcopal Church is like a cancerous lump that has defied all treatment, and the time has come for it to be excised altogether. Candidate two is from one of the gay pressure groups within the Episcopal Church, when someone said: “All I can say to you African bishops, is why can’t you go back to the jungle you came from and stop monkeying around with the church?” We’ll have a vote afterwards as to which is the more offensive remark.

Notice that both attacks were lobbed at the church.

Bosch:

I don’t cherry pick, but neither do I turn a blind eye to the hate perpetrated by the left. Not until I began visiting this site did I become aware of how pervasive it is among them. It was shocking for someone such as myself who harbors many socially liberal views. It really has pushed me further right, but I desperately hold onto what I believe is fair.

Hell, rushncap is quick to label me and all conservatives as racists simply because our definition doesn’t fall in line with his. He’s very defensive which tends to allow him to take wide brush strokes when painting the opposite side.

I’m not an Episcopalian, but I am a Methodist. I have no problem with gays, several gay couples are members of our church.

I am, in no way interested in what goes on in their bedrooms, and I’m convinced they’re not interested in what goes on in mine. It’s rather odd though, they never comment or call into question the church’s stance on the gay marriage issue. They attend for the same reasons I do….a connection to a power greater than themselves.

Recently I was reading an article on the impact of shareholders on corporate America as it relates to environmental issues. Too many, too varied, too inflexible. So much so that corporations are pulling back and resisting when initially they were willing participants. Same thing with alternative fuel and efficiency initiatives among oil companies. They’re taking a hands-

By No Child Left Behind

June 18, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

getalife- Don’t forget all the post-term fetuses (aka ‘children’) in the Middle East that the Repuglycan’ts have maimed and abused for life.

They haven’t just killed them all outright with their blunt delivery tools and malpractice, most are left to suffer agonizing lives when death might have been a kinder option for the Republican abortionists to have pursued.

That’d be too easy for a Repuglycan’t, though, they wanna see some sufferin when THEY slaughter babies!

By Paul

June 18, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Thx for the link to the Episcopal Church - but I must say I see things differently than you. Rather than some conservatives who want to leave the progressive (is that now a buzzword) Church what the Anglican communion, as well as most American Episcopalians see is a radical faction who want to break away from the traditional teachings of the Episcopal Church. This has been going on for several years. Given the structure of the Church’s voting system (wherein one northeastern state can have as many “votes” for new leaders as one traditional congregation elsewhere) it’s not surprising the tyranny of the minority can cause such situations.

It’s not solely homosexuality - it’s adhering to the traditional teachings of the Church. While the Anglican communion has no direct (as in “excommunication” control) control over the Episcopal Church, it is very probable that if the American church leadership does not change its ways it will find itself going its own way.

Progressive in doing many of the quiet, behind the scenes work to benefit others? Yes. Progressive in changing teachings and doctrines to suit the latest social interest? No.

I don’t want this to become an argument over what the EP’s doing - just wanted to give a different perspective.

I also disagree with your assessment of Paul. Much of the disparity (we’ve been over this before, here) has to do with problems with translations over the years. On the core concepts - not a few “this word says this and that sentence says that” there’s consistency.

And yes, our congregation has several gay members. And when a visiting Nigerian leader made some very strong comments, they didn’t take offense. Because in addition to being gay, they are also devout Episcopalians leading chaste lives. Just as many single Episcopalians do.

But on a different tack - possibly the Democratic/Progressive candidates will make a clear, unequivocal statement in support of gay marriage? If that’s what they really believe!

I was also struck this weekend by the Progressive Massachusetts Democrats - who after the citizens gathered signatures to force a vote on the gay marriage issue (democracy?) and the legislature passed it to send it for a vote, the Democratic/Progressive governor vetoed it. I guess there are just some things we can’t trust to democr

By @@

June 18, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

Oops, they cut my post.

Cont’d…

They’re taking a hands-off approach fully anticipating that the movement will implode in on itself.

The “ask for an inch and then demand a mile” practice of the left has left me very suspicious of anything they may promote.

I’ll continue to operate as “an individual” who can see past the party rhetoric and onto the unintended consequences which may result from ill-conceived notions.

Out to the pool.

By rushncap

June 18, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Since @@ is a cowardly dim bulb, I decided to Google her alleged “monkeying around” quote. Google produced 4 hits. All 4 of them refer to the quote as “someone said somewhere”. Not a single page states who the alleged speaker was, which group this speaker was supposedly associated with, or where this statement was allegedly made. The closest one website comes is saying that it was made in 2002. Therefore it’s almost certain that this quote is entirely made up.

So, here’s a vote for anyone who cares: is @@ just entirely stupid and gullible? Or is she lying knowing full well that she is doing so? Is @@ totally dishonest or totally dis-brained? I happen to think that she’s shown enough intelligence on this board to not be able to use “my IQ is comparable to my shoe size” defense. This leads me to vote that she is an inveterate, despicable liar.

By rushncap

June 18, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

@@ is continuing to propagate the supposed quote. Great link. Thanks! No name. No date. No association. No location. Nothing that could lead one to verify whether this quote was ever made. Compare that to the other vile quote, that has an actual name (gasp!) tied to it, so it can be verified or debunked. THAT is the best you got, honey?

By LMAO

June 18, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

@@, where is the proof that the jungle monkey comment was made? Everyone knows there is conflict in the Episcopal Church. WHERE IS THE LINK?? More like missing link.

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

Thanks for posting that @@, that was a very interesting article. We have several gay members at our church too, and we have a lot of members who hate that, we’ve had people who have left our church over the issue.

Like that article said, many denominations are watching what is going on in the Episcopal Church because they know it’s going to come up in their church — especially the Methodists. I know some gay Methodists. Don’t know too many gay Baptists though (not openly anyway — ha ha).

I don’t know what gay pressure group within the church that article was referring to, but I can tell you this with pretty much certainty, that is NOT the view of the U.S. Episcopal Church. Bishop Schori has been in conversations with them since day one of her ordination as Presiding Bishop.

Yes, the African Anglican community is growing, which I find good news, but I can also tell you this with a pretty good knowledge of the subject - the BIGGEST concern of the African primates is the MONEY. The U.S. Episcopal Church can stand on it’s own if the worldwide Anglican Community breaks with us. Not so sure about some of these African dioceses. That’s why they are trying to wiggle into some of the conservative parishes. They know there will be lots of legal battles over church property and them offering protection over the big bad liberal gay lovers is incredibly disingenuous. They don’t care about those churches, they care about the MONEY!!!!

A very close family member of mine (that I happen to sleep with every night) graduated from an Episcopal seminary. They are much more into this topic than I am, I’ve picked up what I know from their studies and from going to church. Our church doesn’t talk about this too much, our priest went to the recent convention as a delegate and had lots to say when she returned.

It’s an interesting topic, and again, thanks for the article. I do think however, and I could be wrong, but I think all that happened a couple of years ago, during the height of the Robinson scandal and the Lamberth Convention, but again, I can tell you with certainty, that is NOT the view of the U.S. Episcopal Church.

Again, our church doesn’t need or want their help and we certainly do not want them telling us how to run our show.

By Tony Maddox

June 18, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

Mike Lucovich is as un-funny as Cynthia Tucker is un-biased. Good editorial cartoonists strive to be subtle, or even stealthy, with their humor/message, to make you laugh, and to think. Little Mike attempts neither of these methods, seeking instead to beat you over the head with his extreme, overused and overated liberal diatribes. Let me repeat, he is not funny and his artwork is mediocre at best.

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

Paul, Are you an Episcopalian? Just wondering.

By georgia 74

June 18, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

If you guys expect @@ to document or even tell the truth about anything, hope you have plenty of years left in your lifetime.

By rushncap

June 18, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Great post, Tony. Don’t you just hate it when what you write is complete opposite of what you meant to write? Did any of the neocons pass English in grade school?

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Paul, Not that you have to be an Episcopalian to be interested in this topic, but seriously, I was just wondering.

Are you observations as a member of the church or from another denomination? Not trying to provoke, but I am curious.

I have to step out for lunch ——- be back soon.

By Waldo

June 18, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

Tony, you need to go Mike’s office, steal those 2 Pulizter prizes then destroy them.Shame on him for doing something you don’t like.

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

I find it very interesting and funny almost to the absurd that many people who are so pious and church going and gay hating, they think there are no gay people in their church. That’s hilarious to me.

Episcopalians are very open about social issues, gay people can come to church without being judged (at least not openly) AND we also will speak to each other in the liquor store!

By getalife

June 18, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

How mant Pulitzers have you won Tony?

Do tell or are you just another right wing loser?

By Paul

June 18, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Fair question in this context. Do I attend the Episcopal Church every week? Yes. Am I a formal member on the roll here? No. But that’s a topic for another time - over a beer someplace, not this forum! So the input I provided is from what I’ve witnessed over the past couple of years this has been going on.

I’ve not once heard any ill comments because Bishop Schori is female. Most of the comments I hear express weariness that the issue is being portrayed as anti-female or anti-gay. But their views or concerns rarely make it to the national press. They have said they’d have the same objections (as would the Anglican Communion) if the American Episcopal church wanted to make it official that Jesus is not God, but a really swell guy with a lot of nice sayings who’s pretty much the same as Buddah or Mohammed. But no need to get hung up on that “God” stuff.

It is a sad situation. Many of our congregation has already left for a new congregation sanctioned by the Anglican Communion - most expressed they were looking for stability and adherence to traditional teachings, not they (and their families) being faced with fundamental change whenever a new leader gets a cause. The rest of us are waiting it out. The Brits operate on a different timetable than we do - something I think the national leadership has misinterpreted to their possible detriment.

By getalife

June 18, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

Speaking of liquor stores

Awesome.

By IN THE NEWS

June 18, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

Investigation Uncovers ‘Extensive Destruction’ Of RNC Emails, Violations Of Records Act

By Tony Maddox

June 18, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

I’ve seen great editorial cartoonists in my days, and believe me, Mike deserves Pulizers for cartoons like Cynthia does for balanced journalism. Obviously, even Pulitzers are subject to ‘quotas.’ Note to ‘rush’, my words reflect exactly my intended message. You may be too dim to pick that out. AJC keeps Cynthia and Little Mikey around for “schlock” value. It takes everything they’ve got trying to slow AJC’s descent into being another ‘alternative’ paper.

By RNCC

June 18, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

And we approve of Tonys message

By getalife

June 18, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Tony,

The both won them so quit your whining. What did you win again?

Here is where the other losers post

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

{{{By getalife June 18, 2007 12:37 PM How mant Pulitzers have you won Tony? Do tell or are you just another right wing loser?}}}

al-Gitmo: Last year two of the pulitizers went to journalists who outed clandestine United States national security programs of the CIA.

That should tell you something.

It’s like a movie getting a Cannes award, whoop de do, so some director said “Bush sucks” and got a trophy.

How shallow.

Every single solitary pulitzer for the last hundred years has gone to the most goony left wing pervert liar they could find.

You know what I mean?

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By getalife

June 18, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Your pundits post nothing but spin and gop propagana.

They get paid to sell out their country.

That is their award.

Geez.

By getalife

June 18, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

And when they do write the truth like this con

You smear them all.

By Anonymous

June 18, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

It tells me that journalism is often a HUGE inconvenience to those who would abuse government power… which is exactly what journalism should be.

Good reminder, DullAndy! Thanks for pointing out that Bush’s CIA is wrong—and the rest of the world, once again, is right.

By Tony Maddox

June 18, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

I am neither right-wing nor left-wing, electing instead to retain my intellect and individualism, unlike the left wing rats follwing the pied pipers of elitism. Most Dems I know are weak-willed, shallow and easily lead. While I tend to lean right, I have even left the Republican party for the very same faults I find with liberal Democrats. I will vote for the man, not the party. Incidentally, I have won no Putlizers because I do not kiss a* to liberal media like the self-aggrandizing poseurs, Mr. and Ms. AJC (‘Sin’thia and Mikey.)

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

{{{By Anonymous June 18, 2007 1:20 PM It tells me that journalism is often a HUGE inconvenience to those who would abuse government power… which is exactly what journalism should be.}}}

Geez.

Unless it’s a democrat and then journalism is nothing but a fat apology outlet and propaganda mill.

Isn’t it amazing that none of the rumors and vicious lies against Bush that your “watchdog journalists” have concocted have ever come true?

No laws were ever broken for the Plame “outing” except for her false testimony which remains unreported in the pages of the Urinal.

How about firing attorney generals, all huff and puff but no smoke?

Karl Rove’s cellphone being used for political purposes?

Nothing, absolutely nothing.

Cowards.

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By getalife

June 18, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Andy,

They broke the records law and the Hatch Act.

They are criminals.

You are soft on crime when the gop does it but when the Dems brak the law, you howl like a crying baby.

Hypocrite.

By IN THE NEWS

June 18, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Is “Smothers Brothers” Diplomacy the Way Out of Iraq?

{{Meanwhile, there’s a rumor circulating in Baghdad and in some Washington circles that the CIA, in order to help the Bush Administration find a face-saving way to get out, is bribing Iraqi parliamentarians to vote for an end to the American troop presence. I have absolutely no reason to believe this is anything more than a rumor, but the very fact that it is being discussed indicates just how desperate the military (and political) situation is in Iraq. }}}}

By getalife

June 18, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

The only person calling them on their lies is the Daily Show for goodmess sakes.

Geez, the MSM is a disgrace.

By Juror # 8

June 18, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

No laws were even broken?????

How the hell do you know?

The lies in this case make it impossible to prosecute. Does your little brain not have enough power to understand that.

Thats why Libby is going to jail.

By @@

June 18, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

This will be one of those rare exceptions where I respond to rushncap’s 12:16:

(((@@ is continuing to propagate the supposed quote. Great link. Thanks! No name. No date. No association. No location.)))

May I suggest that you contact Professor Phillip Jenkins of Penn State. It was he that quoted the group/individual. It appeared as though the professor’s only agenda was to point out the rift that is brewing within the church. He didn’t seem to stand to the left or right on the issue of gay marriage, so his motive to misquote would be????????????

How many times have the leftists here put forth “anonymous” quotes and asked the conservatives to accept them as absolute truths?

Too many times to mention.

You know my views on discrimination rushncap, you just choose to ignore them for the benefit of confrontation.

Outta here…

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

{{{By Wanker # 1 June 18, 2007 1:42 PM No laws were even broken????? Thats why Libby is going to jail.}}}

Libby’s going to jail for “outing” Plame?

Dullard.

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{{{By getalife June 18, 2007 1:40 PM They broke the records law and the Hatch Act.}}}

I’m sorry but wouldn’t that normally be followed up with some indictments?

Suckie face Waxman can’t write the charges down, is he a mindless goony like all the rest of you Cowards?

You know paranoia is treatable, right?

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By PROVE IT

June 18, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

””“”“How many times have the leftists here put forth “anonymous” quotes and asked the conservatives to accept them as absolute truths?”“”“”“

BULL

By getalife

June 18, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Seymour Hersh on CNN is a real journalist. Rumsfeld lied to Congress.

Waxman is building evidence Andy.

They are coming and you still support the criminals.

Criminal enabler.

By American First

June 18, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I notice you keep calling African Americans Primates, yep sounds awfully christian to me…..

By Fly-on-the-wall

June 18, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

I too am an Episcopalian and I find the discussion of our church’s issues in public a bit troublesome but at least we try to keep things above board. I also find the African Bishops coming to the states to help break away parishes wrong, just flat out wrong. They don’t want us to tell them what to do but they are willing to take our money and tell us what to do. I’ve read in the paper but I’ve never heard it verified that the main Bishop in Africa is attempting to have laws passed that will bar gays from meeting in public, touching, etc. How can someone say they are sharing God’s love and still treat fellow humans this way. The number of break away parishes is very small, maybe 10% or less so the Episcopal Church isn’t falling apart but it is losing a few of it’s members.

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Paul, I’ve been a member of our church for 17 years. This has been brewing for a long time and you are right, it isn’t just an anti-gay or anti-female thing, that’s why I asked if you were a member or not because I wanted to see if your perspective was from what you read in the newspapers, or from the church itself.

I DO NOT feel that the Episcopal Church is trying to change traditional teachings at all. You are also right, it is a very sad situation, and I really feel for those parishes that have suffered (like yours apparently). My parish has suffered too, but we are a really strong parish, and this rift isn’t much of an issue with us now.

I know alot of people have left the church because of the confusion and the issues, but to me, my church is my community and my family - and most in my parish feel the same way. We have liberals, conservatives, old, young, black, white, gay, and straight. We have it all, and we are a very close knit group.

One of our priest is a female. She was one of the first females ordained as an Episcopal priest. She was also a delegate for the state at the last convention and had a lot of good messages to report back when she returned.

I disagree with you when you said that about a fundamental change whenever a new leader gets a new cause. It takes years and years for changes to come about in the Episcopal Church. My priest who is a woman likes to tell about how in the mid-70s when the church decided to allow the ordination of women, people were also outraged and left the church in droves—many predicted the end of the Episcopal church then as well.

The Church of England? Who cares. I’ve never been a big fan of Rowan Williams (even though he has an extraordinary resemblance to Jerry Garcia). England’s population is getting more and more away from traditional religion because they are tired of all that religious dogma being forced down their throats.

Remember the Anglican Church was founded by a p** off king who wanted a divorce and decided to tell the Pope to GFY. Was there more to it than that? Of course, just like now.

But also remember, with every church, it is all about the money. The national leaders are trying very hard to compromise with the African primates and the Church of England, they are just not getting pushed around because they know they don’t have to be. This is not simply a new leader

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

American First, The African Anglican leaders are called primates. That’s their name. I’m not calling “African American” primates — grow up.

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

Fly on the Wall, “The number of break away parishes is very small, maybe 10% or less so the Episcopal Church isn’t falling apart but it is losing a few of it’s members.”

You are right. I totally agree with the other things you said too.

“I also find the African Bishops coming to the states to help break away parishes wrong, just flat out wrong. They don’t want us to tell them what to do but they are willing to take our money and tell us what to do.”

That’s the bottom line.

Instead of letting us try and work out our problems internally, they come over here with their bigoted hatred — it makes me sick.

By rushncap

June 18, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

@@ — this may be one of the rare times when… wait, no, this will be one of the multiple times when I take you to task. YOU contact that professor. It’s not my job to verify BS quotes that you post. I don’t care about agendas, I care that you seem to think someone intelligent is going to be swayed by an outrageous quote that, conveniently, has no reference, name, date, association or anything at all to identify it. Take your BS elsewhere, where I don’t show up periodically. One of your students has a better chance of dunking on Shaq than your crap has of clearing my BS detector. Sorry honey. This is not exactly big leagues, but this is not the Mickey Mouse forum you seem to be used to.

The thing is, you know this quote is BS. I’m certain of it. You know it. There is plenty wrong with you, but you’re not this stupid. The fact that you have at least passable control of English testifies to that. So you’re not a total moron. Therefore you’re just tremendously dishonest. So slink away, @@, find a day when I’m not around to try to slide your crap in.

By rushncap

June 18, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

Bosch — maybe you can explain this to me. I was driving to pick up a friend of mine to go play soccer, and I passed something called “Anglican Catholic Church”. I had to do a double-take, and I still have no idea what on Earth that is. I thought the whole -point- of Anglicans is that they broke away from the Catholic church. Seeing that is like finding United States of Great Britain on the map. And who the hell is this church’s head — the Pope or the Bishop of Canterbury?

By LMAO

June 18, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

The Christian church has changed considerably over the last 1700 years.

Many many things that were once considered a sin now look foolish. The fact is almost all christian churches and denominations have had a “liberal” evolution at one time or another. To think that this has now stopped and the religion is now perfect and unchangeable is absurd.

By Anti-NeoCon

June 18, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

What would Luckodork do with his pathetic life if it wasn’t for this blog? Getting online almost every morning before anyone else!?!? Pretty pathetic. Time to get a life, Little Dorkster!!!!

But, hey, you’re gonna REALLY hate ‘08!

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

Liberalism: At one time homosexuality was “in the closet” where it belongs, and not in the faces of our children, whom Jesus made special reference to concerning their innocence, and men actually had respect for women:

{{{By rushncrap June 18, 2007 2:28 PM @@ — this may be one of the rare times when… wait, no, this will be one of the multiple times when I take you to task. So slink away, @@, find a day when I’m not around to try to slide your crap in.}}}

Anybody who thinks we “progressed” as a society is a Neanderthal and a cave dweller.

Geez.

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By rushncap

June 18, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

Tony, take a chill pill. Yes, you did write exactly the opposite of what you meant to write. How about shutting up, not bristling, and learning a bit, huh? So if you still can’t see what’s wrong with your first sentence (“Mike Lucovich is as un-funny as Cynthia Tucker is un-biased”), ask an adult to explain.

By getalife

June 18, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

“New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has regained a double-digit lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama in the USA TODAY/Gallup Poll two weeks after the survey found the Democratic presidential rivals essentially tied.”

Whine Andy whine.

By getalife

June 18, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

“on the TODAY Show this morning was pretty nauseating…He said Hillary would win the election because women voters would come out for her in droves…I guess being a FOX/Clinton hater is a good way to make a living…He was correct about the 2006 election in all fairness to him.”

Whine Andy whine.

By In other words

June 18, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

I don’t cherry pick, but neither do I turn a blind eye to the hate perpetrated by the left.

However I will ALWAYS turn a blind eye to the hate perpetrated by the right. On this blog and elsewhere.

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

{{{By getalife June 18, 2007 2:49 PM “New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has regained a double-digit lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama Whine Andy whine.}}}

al-Gitmo: America will never elect Bruno the human pig to the presidency.

She is a socialist and this is a capitalist country.

Is this something you need to have explained to you?

Geez.

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By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

{{{This letter is in regard to an episode of “Brothers and Sisters” which airs on ABC on Sundays from 9-10pm central time. The blatant homosexuality displayed in the episode which was on Easter Sunday, April 8 was totally inappropriate on the most important Christian observance. In Leviticus 20:13 it clearly states that “If a man lies with a male as with a woman both of them have committed an abomination.” Here, the interpretation is clear—homosexuality is against God’s law and it shouldn’t be shown on TV, especially on Easter Sunday. Following is a list of sponsors for that episode which I hope you will help me boycott: Sony, Home Depot, Nissan, Lincoln, Quaker, Walt Disney World, Lexus, Applebee’s, Loreal Paris, Toyota, Cousins Subs, Shorewest, Coldwellbanker, Verizonwireless, MazdaUSA, Froedtert & Medical College of Wisconsin, US Cellular, Acura, Sherwin Williams, Dovepronage, and Orlando Info. Thank you.}}}

Uh-oh. You libs are awaking the moral majority of America. Good Christian men will march on and you Cowards will cut and run.

Then again should we expect anything else from you pinkos®?

Scumbags.

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By Bosch

June 18, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Rushncap, You know, I don’t know much about the Anglican Catholic Church, it does seem like an oxymoron, doesn’t it.

Do you remember earlier when I mentioned how the Episcopal Church decided to ordain women as priests in the mid-70s and people left the church in droves in protest? Well, I think that is probably the ones who left at that time and formed this church. I do know that they do not allow women to be deacons, priests, bishops, etc. so that’s what makes me think that.

As far as who is the head of our church? We don’t necessarily have a “head” of our church. That’s kind of the whole point. When the Church of England formed, Henry VIII did so because he was pretty much fed up with the Pope telling him what to do in the name of “God” and he was pretty much fed up with the hypocrisy of the Catholic Church in general.

Our Presiding Bishop is Katharine Schori, she is new. The Presiding Bishop serves for nine years (I think). They are elected by the bishops of each diocese - the Bishop of Atlanta is Neil Alexander and the hub of our diocese is the Cathedral of Saint Phillips which sits smack in the middle of Buckhead. But the way the church is organized — each church (parish) is grouped into diocese and each diocese has a bishop (ours again, in Alexander), then there is the Presiding Bishop (Schori) who is the “bishop of the bishops.”

The “spiritual” leader of the Anglican community in general is the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, who like I said, looks alot like Jerry Garcia, but he has no authority over the U.S. Episcopal Church, but because the Episcopal Church grew out of the Church of England, he is still considered our “spiritual” leader, but he doesn’t have any say over our business. I don’t care much for the guy myself.

Like I said earlier, the other Bosch is the “Episcopal expert”

Another, soccer fan, huh?

By LMAO

June 18, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

How did that Disney boycott turn out?

How about that Ford boycott?

And what about the Red Lobster boycott? You know because of the shellfish sin?

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Rushncap, I just blathered on about the head of our church, and re-read your post, you wanted to know who was the head of the Anglican Catholic Church — duh, sorry. Yeah, good question, maybe they have conference calls once a week. Who knows?

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

3:23 is getting banned!

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Look at this here, al-Gitmo:

{{{Sen. Jim Webb finally admitted he owns a gun that an aide was arrested for carrying into the U.S. Capitol complex in March.}}}

I told you.

The little Cowardise waited until his man took the fall and now he’s bragging about being a wingnut.

Geez.

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By getalife

June 18, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Clinton vs Rudy.

A landslide for Clinton.

She will get the women and minority votes.

No contest, you read it here first.

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

LMAO, Yeah, that whole shellfish sin has always got me. I’m a true shrimp lover forever!

By getalife

June 18, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

Wow Andy,

Webb told the truth.

Not use to that are you?

Geez.

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

al-Gitmo: Obama versus Thompson, Thompson wins 47 states.

Whining socialists with out a clue is not the strongest platform you can run on in the United States.

Maybe you clowns should take over Cuba?

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By test

June 18, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

test

By Dusty

June 18, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Would you mind pressing your cut-off button and giving us a break? Down, tiresome boy!

@@, keep up the good reliable information about your church and others. Those that never go to any church always know all about it.

rushncap, you are a rude,elistist educated fool. Too bad we have to read your ungracious, prejudiced, insulting remarks. Save your stuff for physics lab. My sympathy to the suffering students.

bosch, takes you eleven paragraphs at a time to tell us you are not ruffled by the rift in your church. Glad you are not bothered. When did you rewrite the Apostle Paul?

To the poster at 11:24

Bug off, buddy. I will sing, dance and appreciate this country anytime I feel like it. Just to remind you: I support the President, the country and the troops. Yaaaayyyy!!!! I’m so happy to be an American.

By getalife

June 18, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

Obama will be VP then President after 8 years of Clinton. He needs the experience on how the WH works like Clinton.

Lazy Fred is not going to get the nomination. Too much work and he will go back to Hollywood.

Rudy is your man. He is running on the worst terroristic attack on the US with only 4 years of mayor experience.

Cross dresser, pro choice and corrupt Kerik lover.

The base will stay home and whine about liberals.

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

[Socialists have historically understood that in order to implement total government, which is what socialism is, institutions that foster freedom and individual independence would have to be weakened. Total government is, after all, against human nature, which is inclined toward individual rights, private ownership, belief in a divine creator, and the sovereignty of nation-states designed to preserve, protect, and defend those natural rights. Besides belief in God, private property, and private industry, the basic family unit is a bulwark of freedom and, therefore, an obstacle to socialism. Developed over millennia, conventional marriage has been universally respected as an essential institution. Marriage represents the most formidable obstacle to government control.

Hence, the totalitarian minded socialist figured out how to undermine marriage. Overt as well as subtle attempts have been undertaken over centuries to undermine marriage and gay marriage is only the most recent effort. Since two men or two women cannot actually be married, legal recognition of gay marriage should be viewed as a manufactured straw dog invented to weaken and ultimately destroy the natural and freedom fostering institution of marriage. As recently as seven years ago, gay marriage was unheard of.](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1850798/posts)

You libs want to introduce your Stalinist agenda by encouraging unnatural acts. Then again, this shoudln’t be surprising.

Gays are good, God is evil.

Sick, sick, sick.

Cowards.

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By LMAO

June 18, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

Bosch, I find it depressing when people use the Bible as a weapon.

The utter lack of common sense is mind boggling. To pick and choose what to use against others is not honest.

Thats why I have so much respect for the Episcopal church. Every sinner seems to be welcome.

Every church in America is lead by sinners, yet we seem to want to grade the sin of homosexuality worse than others. The sin of divorce has caused much more problems than homosexuality, but seems to have earned a waiver, although there is a very strong biblical objection to it.

By Funny morons®

June 18, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

“Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But then I repeat myself.” - Mark Twain

…or to paraphrase:

“Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Bush supporter. But then I repeat myself.”

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

June 18, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Luck said: “Anybody who thinks we “progressed” as a society is a Neanderthal and a cave dweller.”

I agree. We were much better off before all of this liberalism brought us desgregated schools and guaranteed the right to vote for everyone. I liked it when it was a crime for a married person to buy a condom and when the state told you that you could only marry those of your own race. It was great when you could go in a white restaurant and eat with only people who looked like you. I also appreciated the fact that a hospital could deny dying people medical services that they were too damn lazy to pay for. It was wonderful before minimum wage and when the company paid folks in company store coupons instead of money. Back before the damn libs came up with work safety rules and decided that 12 year olds shouldn’t work in the mines, it was just wonderful to be an American.

What will these damn libs think of next? I don’t think they will stop until everyone has the same freedoms and opportunities as a white male. I cringe at the thought and thats why I always vote GOP. What have the libs done for any of us anyway?

RWNJIFG

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Socialists have historically understood that in order to implement total government, which is what socialism is, institutions that foster freedom and individual independence would have to be weakened. Total government is, after all, against human nature, which is inclined toward individual rights, private ownership, belief in a divine creator, and the sovereignty of nation-states designed to preserve, protect, and defend those natural rights. Besides belief in God, private property, and private industry, the basic family unit is a bulwark of freedom and, therefore, an obstacle to socialism. Developed over millennia, conventional marriage has been universally respected as an essential institution. Marriage represents the most formidable obstacle to government control. Hence, the totalitarian minded socialist figured out how to undermine marriage. Overt as well as subtle attempts have been undertaken over centuries to undermine marriage and gay marriage is only the most recent effort. Since two men or two women cannot actually be married, legal recognition of gay marriage should be viewed as a manufactured straw dog invented to weaken and ultimately destroy the natural and freedom fostering institution of marriage. As recently as seven years ago, gay marriage was unheard of.

You libs want to introduce your Stalinist agenda by encouraging unnatural acts. Then again, this shoudln’t be surprising.

Gays are good, God is evil.

Sick, sick, sick.

Cowards.

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By Bosch

June 18, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

Sorry Dusty, I know I’ve been a little on the long winded side today, it’s just something of a personal thing with me, and I was afraid that @@ was on the fringes of making my church look bad.

When did I rewrite the Apostle Paul? Would you like to rephrase that because it makes no sense.

I have an opinion on Paul and his teachings. Is that what you meant?

By Funny morons®

June 18, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

“Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.” - P.J. O’Rourke, Civil Libertarian

By getalife

June 18, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

We will see crusty the clown’s fake patriotism when Clinton is elected.

She will not support Clinton and go with the gop on blocking everything she tries to do.

She will go after OBL and the wingnuts will howl.

Just like they did with Bill.

By Anonymous

June 18, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

And giving government over to the Republicans is like putting Michael Jackson in charge of a day-care center.

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

LMAO, Yes, I find that very depressing too. The subject of homosexuality also really gets me riled up because I have a family member who is gay and they are much more of a “devout” person than I am.

I’ve always been mind-boggled that people can be so opposed to gay marriage, but somehow the fact that people can get a divorce on a whim, doesn’t seem to bother them.

Why shouldn’t gay people get married? How does that interfere personally in your own life? How does that somehow make YOUR marriage somehow lessened or cheapened. My marriage is perfectly fine even with all the gay people running around in the world.

I mean which is worse? A homosexual who is in a loving relationship with another human being for 20 plus years, or a man or woman who is married, but sleeps with anything that moves, or gets a divorce once a year. I know people who have had more divorces than hair cuts in their lives.

Common sense? Yes, you hit the nail on the head.

By American First

June 18, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

I have just looked at several African Angelican websites as well as quized several African Angelicans here in my workplace, NONE of them have ever heard of their leadership called Primates, you can spin it how you want but it is YOU who chooses to use that term instead of leaders. And dont give me any B.S. about how thats what they are called so i will call them that. You sir are a hypocrite and a racist…

By Buy Snails

June 18, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

Giving a computer and modem to Andy is like giving Crack and a crack pipe to a crack ho.

By IN THE NEWS

June 18, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

SOUTH AFRICAN Archbishop calls for ‘united front’ as Primates Meeting approaches

PRIMATES ON THE FIRST TRY…..

SOME FOLKS JUST DON”T NOW HOE TO USE THE TUBES

By LMAO

June 18, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

Goodness American first, just do this one simple thing. Google “Episcopal” and “primates”

By rushncap

June 18, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Dusty — nothing but insults today? Good good, that’s all you can do.

If you can point out a single place where I have been wrong today, I’d more than welcome it. Otherwise keep your nose up your own dark hole.

By The Watcher

June 18, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

American First is a lazy idiot.

See Definition #2

You do own a dictionary don’t you? Know how to use one?

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source pri·mate (prī’mĭt, -māt’) Pronunciation Key
n.
(prī’māt’)1. A mammal of the order Primates, which includes the anthropoids and prosimians, characterized by refined development of the hands and feet, a shortened snout, and a large brain. 2.A bishop of highest rank in a province or country.

You may have been thinking Prelate…. You don’t appear to be to bright.

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

American First,

“And dont give me any B.S. about how thats what they are called so i will call them that. You sir are a hypocrite and a racist…”

That’s what they call THEMSELVES!

That’s your problem with the inuendo. You sir are actually the racist.

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

American First, Try typing in the words on Google’s website in the little narrow rectangular box “African Anglican Primates” and you will get 212,000+ hits.

Maybe your African American coworkers do not know about the term because they are not “Anglican.”

You’ve been looking at African “Angelican” websites? Oh my God, I’ve never stooped to calling anyone an idiot, but………sigh.

When you google this, please try to spell it correctly.

By w00t

June 18, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

During today’s press briefing, CNN correspondent Ed Henry asked White House spokesman Tony Snow whether the “war in Iraq has helped push the peace process forward in any way.” Snow’s response: “Don’t know. … Hard to say.” Echoing his claim last week attacks in Iraq were “signs of success,” Snow suggested that the increased violence in the region is a by-product of “pro-democracy movements…making some progress.”

Yea! How’s that workin’ out for ya Bush! A model of Democracy!!1 Man, it sure was AWESOME finding those WMD’s and showing the world that we weren’t kidding.

By Fly-on-the-wall

June 18, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

To By American First,

Please go to the Anglican site and you’ll see that all leaders of Anglican areas are called ‘Primates’, this has been common knowledge for decades. Bosch was only using the standard Anglican terminology and nothing racist. You need to check a primary source first such as:

http://lent.classicalanglican.net/index.php?p=501

By Buy Snails

June 18, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

American First, please don’t be n**** with your apology to Bosch.

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

ldonosky ‘ckraft@ajc.com’; ‘jmellott@ajc.com’; ‘beickhoff@ajc.com’; ‘tcregar@ajc.com’; ‘mperricone@ajc.com’; ‘hpost@ajc.com’; ‘cparker@ajc.com’; ‘spantel@ajc.com’

Why won’t this person stop gay bashing in my name?

Why are you not doing anything about even though you banned me?

Is it acceptable for me to start doing the same exact conduct?

{{{By LuckoDull June 18, 2007 3:50 PM Gays are good, God is evil. Sick, sick, sick. Cowards.}}}

Are you going to stop this or do I have to?

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

I’m waiting for American First to come back and write,

“Um, oh”

You owe me an apology, American First. You are the true rascist here, not me.

By Dusty

June 18, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Bosch @4:04, Your interpretation of the Apostle Paul made no sense to me. I would have thought you were talking about a used car salesman.

My lessons, sermons and studies of Paul have been led by men and women who either teach or have taught in seminaries (but none of whom I have ever slept with!). None said anything even closely related to your ideas.

Here’s what you posted at 11:45: “Paul contradicts himself so much in the New Testament that it’s hard to keep up—the reason, he was writing to particular churches who had different belief systems in place. He was the perfect evangelical preacher(and would have made an excellent politician). Tell the people what they want to hear to convert them to Christianity.”

Paul’s letters were written to churches he established. He encouraged them and despaired when they began to fall away from the love of Christ. He was a Jewish scholar first, a Christian second and a martyr last. Those are hardly the characteristics of politicians.

My church works from the Christian premise and promise “We are saved by grace alone, not by works.” I don’t think I need to add anything to that.

(PS…Catholic spelled with a small “c” has a different meaning and refers not to The Catholic Church. Does that help?)

By Paul

June 18, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

LMAO - Bosch

Don’t want to get doctrinal here - just a general observation on how many casual observers toss term about.

The point’s been made in the past - homosexual as noun, same as heterosexual, or - how many use it - as a verb. Both can be what they are but be chaste (not the same as celibate, BTW). “Bible stuff” many like to toss about is inappropriate - either used to describe acts, or same passages not translated well to imply man as subserviant - as in “woman” (but that’s another topic - don’t discuss with those not well studied - closest parallel today is fundamental Islam’s view of women).

So many churches are inclusive of gays and adhere to same standards of conduct for all unmarried members. That line of argument will oftentimes stop some of “strong opinions” in their tracks - because if one wants to describe conduct, there is really no doublestandard - chastity is chastity. And many who condemn one group or another don’t want to go there.

As I said - I have a pretty strong “mind your own business - not my business” streak.

Have fun with your other research - Anglican Church OF America, Anglican Church IN America, Anglican Church, etc. All different, some not very close. I trust this has played out?

By Billy Shakes

June 18, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Me thinks he doth protest too much…

How can he complain about being banned if he is still here and not banned?

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

You know what Dusty? I know all that. Big deal. I have my own interpretation of Paul’s writings which I could write about for a long time, it goes much deeper than what I wrote earlier. I too have many friends who are well-versed in the teachings of Paul, seminarians, and religion scholars, big deal. They have their own interpretations.

But since you have been “bothered” by my long-windedness today, I’ll refrain for another day.

The word “catholic” with a small “c” means universal or general. It’s in the Nicene Creed that I say ever week at church.

By Daniel

June 18, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Republicans have ceded the moral high ground.

They are done for.

We can only pray they don’t take the country with them.

By The Watcher

June 18, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

There are those of us who think St. Paul was the Jerry Falwell of his generation.

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

Paul, Well, now I’m being called a rascist because I called the African leadership of the Anglican church in Africa, the “primate.” Which of course, they call themselves, and it a very well known term and there is an American primate, and primates in Europe, etc.

By Daniel

June 18, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

By Desmond Tutu

June 18, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

was a primate.

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

{{{By Billy Shakes June 18, 2007 4:47 PM Me thinks he doth protest too much… How can he complain about being banned if he is still here and not banned?}}}

Ever wonder why the Atlanta Journal Constitution let’s gay bashing lurkers roam free and harass other bloggers, posting some of the most disgusting things imaginable, as long as the lurker is harassing the Conservatives?

Kind of makes you wonder, don’t it?

I hear liberals every day mouthing these words that tell everybody how fair and how diverse they are, about how they have “standards” but yet I never see any of that.

It only applies to me.

I guess you liberals do need all the help you can get, it must be embarrassing seeing you get beat every day.

Cowards.

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By Paul

June 18, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Welcome to the AJC ML blog! You can’t win for losing with some. Just wait’ll what you’re accused of becomes a noble call a few months later (notice the segue into another topic?) -

A few months back I said some less than flattering things about Democratic candidate Gen Wesley Clark. Some here accused me (from the Left, no less) of “bashing the troops.” Really. Even though I pointed out Gen Clark is retired and was a candidate. (The real issue, of course, was to deflect any criticism of a Democratic candidate).

Now? Let’s see - Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid accused Chairman JCS Gen Pace of being incompetent. Dem Rep Tauscher accused him of dereliction of duty. Both charges would be grounds for courts-martial, dismissal from the service, prison time and loss of all benefits. No outrage from the Left about “bashing the troops” there - because it’s politics and he’s serving during this administration.

Ya gotta not take some of this all that seriously. I suppose soccer’s a really good outlet!

By Liberal Texas Democrat

June 18, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

Oh my goodness all these Episcopals. I was once “churched”. I was confirmed by Bishop Hutchinson in the Connecticut Diocese back in the 60’s before they sent me off to VietNam. I left clutching the prayers of the parish to basically “kill a commie for Christ”. And I swear it was a commie I at whom I took aim. Unfortunately it was God within him that I blew away with a burst of six. I’ve been “unchurched” ever since. Essentially I discovered the world is a much more interesting and pleasant place when one isn’t focused or upset about where another man “dips his wick”.

By AmVet

June 18, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

Right-wing nut job in full glory, I enjoyed your 3:50. Although your style is very tongue-in-cheek, it really is very cogent and effective, as opposed to say, the blogger you quoted.

And your numerous points about the progress, and some would argue sanity, wrought upon 20th century America by liberalism is undeniable. But, of course, liberalism is very much a two-edge sword. Much of it has been misguided, overly simplistic and the cause of numerous new social ills. That is really not debatable either.

But it seems as if this apparently short-lived neo-conservative movement is in fact a no-edge sword. I have often questioned what is it of benefit that this movement has brought us. And I’m open to ideas here.

Ironically the neo-cons argue that the liberals offer no solutions on topics such as Iraq, but I find their “solutions” and long term outlook very backwards looking indeed.

Some could reasonably argue that this neo-con mentality regarding Iraq and “how the terrorists are going to follow us home if we don’t beat them in Iraq” is almost identical to that of the “conservative” view regarding Viet Nam and the domino theory in the late 60’s. Sadly, the political progeny of those reactionaries 40 years ago seem very happy to just keep making the same mistakes.

And ditto for social progress. Then it was blacks and Jews that the “conservatives” and many Baptists (and other denominations as well, of course) almost universally despised. Now its homosexuals and Muslims. The faces have changed but the mentality of intolerance, divisiveness and many times hatred is still the same. I fear that in many cases these neo-cons are so opposed to ANY significant change and progress that they will forever be stuck by their selective memories in their romanticized and idealized past.

By Daniel

June 18, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

W00t: They’re all “Saved by grace…” Look at Dusty’s post of 4:44PM. That is the universal elixir! These people don’t take responsiobility for anything. We just killed seven children in Afghanistan, whoops! But hey! We’re “Saved by grace…” So everything is a-ok!

By Dusty

June 18, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

Bosch,4:52

You sound very bothered. You were lengthy. BUT some “infidel” trying to tell you something when you already know it all. Insufferable!!

I think you are unhappy with the rift in your church. Why doesn’t everybody think as “freely” as you? Perhaps that is the “rift”. Some had rather work with what has proven true for thousands of years. Who knows?

We also say the Nicene Creed sometimes at church but I prefer the Apostle’s Creed. Then there is the Athanasian—oh well.

Sorry I tried to tell you my thoughts when you already know it all. Big deal, as you mentioned twice. Nope. Just a try at a discussion.

By Paul

June 18, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

AmVet

Frankly, my impression is much of this “neocon” stuff is highly inflated by many on the far left to provide a pretty good punching bag.

I’ve asked several times for people to please define “neocon” and give some examples. No one has responded. I’ve cited Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith and a couple others I consider neocons - but their agenda was pretty well limited to Iraq.

Leads to the other idea that it seems Reps can be pretty hard on criticizing their Party, President, policies, straying from the faith (overspending, moral turpitude, not getting the job done in Congress) but Democrats seem remarkable reticent about doing the same. Especially during this campaing! Have you seen any of those “audience reactions” when one candidate says something mildly disapproving of another candidate? Instant negative. Well, it seems Hillary has the cash so it’s a moot point. I hope Edwards and Obama hang in there, so at least they can paint a picture of some issues for the election - Hillary’s playing it safe.

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

Paul, Yes, I agree.

And also, soccer is a good outlet for any of the ills of society. It’s a great game to watch, there’s always singing, dancing, dressed up fans, drums beating, horns blowing, fighting, and drunken fools! Hell, that’s better than any American TV show! You just can’t watch a soccer game and leave unhappy! Unless, of course, your team lost, but hey, at least the pagentry of the game was great.

It’s Beck time for Bosch!

By Fly-on-the-wall

June 18, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

To By American First,

Please go to the Anglican site and you’ll see that all leaders of Anglican areas are called ‘Primates’, this has been common knowledge for decades. Bosch was only using the standard Anglican terminology and nothing racist. You need to check a primary source first such as:

http://lent.classicalanglican.net/index.php?p=501

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

No Dusty, I don’t know it all, I just knew all that you were trying to “enlighten” me with. “Knowing it all” is reserved for the neo-cons and Christian fundamentals.

I am very troubled by the rift in my church, I hate people trying to make my church look bad. That’s why I was so long-winded from an Episcopal point of view.

I have my own opinions about Paul (not the blogger, but the saint). If you don’t agree, then that’s okay with me. It really doesn’t matter to me.

Now, where’s that Beck’s?

By Bosch

June 18, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Amvet, Amen.

It appears I’m out of Beck’s! I’ll have to run to the store.

By rushncap

June 18, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

Paul — my understanding is that neocons basically combine the worst of the 2 parties: the large government and bloated spending of Democrats, with the freakish control issues and social conservatism of Republicans. Add to that a dash of imperialism, which is not really native to either party (though I guess it’s a somewhat natural outgrowth of paranoid nationalism characteristic of the Republican party), and you get neocons.

By AmVet

June 18, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I essentially disagree with your first sentence, but understand in a highly partisan environment like this one and many others it looks that way.

Now let’s finally get down to some brass tacks here. First let me say that I don’t think there are any hard fast or absolute definitions of how people now misuse the words conservative, neo-conservative and liberal.

But with that said, what are the hallmarks of conservatism?

Is advocating prayer in public schools a conservative ideal. (Historically 20th century American conservatives did not tried to breach the supposed separation of church and state.) What is your opinion? I think that philosophy is not conservative at all. And that is one of several reasons why I consider Ronald Reagan, who supported that, the father of neo-conservatism.

As to the first sentence in your third paragraph, again I essentially disagree. Having watched both political parties closely for twenty years or more now, I would say that about the only time the GOP members are truly hard on their leadership is when their party is finally in BIG trouble, like right now. But they sure seemed amazingly silent for the previous six years. And that in spite of the things you listed, complete fiscal irresponsibility, an unacceptably high percentage of corrupt and unethical members and near total mismanagement of the Iraq invasion.

The Dems, of course, are no better, so to me, that is not even a major factor. Let’s set the bar higher, not lower.

By Paul

June 18, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

rushncap

Thx - interesting. Especially your point about “combining the worst of the 2 parties” as anything I’ve read here is from the far Left tossing it to the (Right? Reps?) as a pejorative term applicable to only the Right. Watch that imperialism migrate to Dems, though. Hillary’s not giving many warm & fuzzy feelings to the Party brokers with some of her comments -

BTW - my experience is many on the Left also have freakish control issues - except to hear them tell it, it’s for my own good! Doesn’t go down any better that way, either. Maybe someday we’ll get a “Leave Me Alone and Mind Your Own Business” Party? One can only hope -

Bosch - if this was dropped earlier -

Suggestion: the moment your team is down by one, grab another brewski. Then you won’t care if they lost!

I picked up a few more Belgian ales this weekend - and a couple American attempts at the same. They’re pretty potent as well as flavorful - one’s about the limit (especially the big bottles!

Enjoy -

By Daniel

June 18, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

rushncap: Not so fast. What the republican leadership has done is quite unprecedented. Witness this: Borrowed 10 Trillion dollars; start a preemptive war on Iraq; Flood certain corporations with cash; Secure Iraqi oil for their friends; Give the bill to the American people. When has anything near to this happened in our history?

By rushncap

June 18, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Paul — I see your point about control issues. But the 2 parties want to control different aspects of life (business for Dems, private lives for Reps), and I see neocons being much more into the Republican idea. As for Hillary, frankly I don’t like her. I will not vote for her in the primaries, though I will support her in the general elections if she is the Democratic nominee. And I don’t think imperialism will migrate to Dems. They were never much for it since Vietnam anyways, and now that it’s associated with Bush… That’s a non-starter for the left-leaning party.

By AmVet

June 18, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

Paul, Belgian ales?! Now there’s a topic I can drink to! And yes, fortunately America now has a large number of real beer makers with outstanding products. I’m, of course, talking about the microbreweries, not the swill sold as beer to the “great unwashed”!

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

{{{First, the accepted global average temperature statistics used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show that no ground-based warming has occurred since 1998. Oddly, this eight-year-long temperature stasis has occurred despite an increase over the same period of 15 parts per million (or 4 per cent) in atmospheric CO2.}}}

Oddly?

What is really “odd” is that people cling to this CO2 hysteria and still think man is responsible for “global warming” which, by the way, isn’t even occurring.

It’s all junk science, just like all of the other lib scare mongering winds up being.

Cowards.

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By Paul

June 18, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

AmVet

I based my comments in interparty criticism by listening to various pundits, reading syndicated columns by “conservative” writers and even listening to the gripes of some pretty conservative friends. Yeah, it took them a long time of silence to get where they’re at, but it could turn out a major turnaround is underway - and the more Dems keep harping on Bush, religious right, social agendas, etc the more, I think, they miss the point and set themselves up to get outflanked.

My impression was that neocon used to be used pretty narrowly to describe some adventurists who wanted to advance an agenda in the Middle East - now it’s been co-opted as just another label to be bandied about. I agree with you about how people use the terms - but they keep changing, new ones coming in. Witness the latest buzzword “Progressive” as applied only to the Left. Seems they’ve learned a few lessons from the conservative marketing machine.

Regarding the church state/thing, if I remember correctly it began as you stated. Then courts took an increasingly hard line of any religious expression - and did not delineate religion from spirituality. Then, I think, many on the Left expressed some hostility, the Republican Party made a play for religious conservatives (many of whom were in the south, at one time a bastion of Democratic conservatives) - and the battle lines were drawn.

Now, it seems, many on the Left are advocating accommodation of religious practices by taxpayer support of facilities, etc. or of court-assisted imposition on private businesses - strangely, all nonChristian. Witness the discussion a few weeks back regarding accommodating public religious practices of conservative Muslims. I said Left - as much of what I’ve read labels those who are opposed to such accommodation for any religion are labeled “intolerant.”

If you’ve been following this for a couple decades you probably remember the question “If my kids learn to pray in school, will they learn to read and write in Sunday School?” I remember prayer in school - rather - a minute of silence. Seems to me schools are for secular education - for everyone, even if it conflicts with their religious beliefs. Schools, and parents and churches, should also teach critical thinking.

By Daniel

June 18, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

Paul: I would like some competent leadership. Labels mean nothing. Bruce Bartlett wrote a book on Bush: “The Impostor”. Bartlett is a conservative. Bush said he would balance the budget. We’re still waiting. Clinton balanced four budgets! Have you started “Team of Rivals”?

By AmVet

June 18, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

Paul, many of these flash point issues today, including religion and state, are I think, we all could agree, being co-opted to a large degree by the extremists.

It’s true that throughout the history of this nation, our leaders have been basically Christian. And In God we Trust is considered as American as Old Glory. And during Eisenhower’s time the phrase Under God was added to the pledge. So be it.

To me, it’s just a matter of degree. In the past 12 years we’ve seen a huge portion of the Christian religion basically hijacked by the ultra far-right as a vehicle for the most intolerant and reactionary ideas seen in this country in a hundred years. Of course, it’s all cloaked in double speak using phrases like family values and compassionate conservatism, but in reality seems very far removed from the ideals of understanding and love for one’s fellow man. The neo-cons have IMHO capitalized upon this to an unprecedented and unhealthy degree.

That combined with the very non-conservative idea of mistrusting virtually all science that does not neatly fit in with one’s world view is particularly distressing and is again an unmistakable neo-con creation..

By rushncap

June 18, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

Daniel — I can’t say I know American history well enough to answer your question thoughtfully. I’m not RW or Dusty, I really can’t in good conscience claim knowledge I don’t have. However, from what I do know (decent grasp of Am. history since the Great Depression) there has been nothing anywhere near as corrupt or as mismanaged as this administration. But when comparable things have happened (LBJ — ‘Nam, Nixon — H2Ogate) the Presidents who were involved at least had the good sense, if not the decency, to either not run for re-election (LBJ) or resign (Tricky Dick). But neither LBJ nor even Nixon had much on Bush.

By Daniel

June 18, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

rushncap: I think you’re right. We may all be grateful for a Deomcratic Congress, without which we would have learned nothing of the massive corruption of th Bush Administration. In the wieght room today they were talking about the RNC e-mail scandal.

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

I wonder if the Cowards will be looking for Hitchen’s opinion this week?:

The rush to prejudge the case and pack Libby off to prison seems near universal. (Patrick Fitzgerald has denounced him for failing to show remorse; a strange charge to make against a man who has announced that he intends to appeal.) Given the unsoundness of the verdict, the extraordinary number of other witnesses who admitted to confusion over dates and times, and the essential triviality of the original matter (an apparently purposeless coverup of a nonleak, in private and legal conversations, involving common knowledge of information that was not known to be classified), it is unlikely that the verdict at present can stand scrutiny, let alone the sentence. But why go through all this irrelevant and secondhand hearsay again? Those who want to “get” someone for “lying us into war” have picked the wrong man and failed to identify a crime. Let them try to impeach the president, who should in the meantime step in to avoid any more waste of public money and time and pardon Libby without further ado.

I tend to disagree.

There is one other loose end that needs to be cleared up.

Fitzgerald should be charged with prosecutorial misconduct; he knew that Armitage was the leaker BEFORE he began the “investigation” yet he still went on a witch hunt, jailing Miller and dragging Libby into court.

This is America.

No one is above the law, remember?

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By Paul

June 18, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

Daniel

“Team of Rivals” is in the queue - work’s been quite encompassing - and I find this relaxing in much the same way reading is. Only so many hours in a day - who needs sleep?

I agree with your point about competent leadership. That is what I was alluding to - I think many Reps are pretty fed up and Democrats’ harping on the reasons why they’re fed up doesn’t tell them anything new - or provide an incentive to change. Rudy, et al, are, I think providing such an alternative to them: fiscal responsibility, socially moderate etc. Those folks hearing nothing but criticisms of “flip flop” or “look at his marriages!” will make them wonder if the Democratic Left has morphed into the Democratic Right.

AmVet

Hope impels that “religion” hasn’t been coopted by the far right, except as a tool. Still a huge population of religious folks who don’t go along. Much the same way that some stands have been co-opted by the “left” and pushed to the extreme?

I just can’t believe there are all that many hardcore anti-science religious people out there. I rather like Einstein’s statement that he has as hard a time imagining Science without God as he does God without Science.

I still think that was much of Obama’s appeal - less extremism. Too bad money wins out.

Could I interest you in full Federal funding of elections? Maybe now we have a Court where the majority can distinguish between the theory of money as free speech and the reality of cloaked bribery?

By AmVet

June 18, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

Daniel, ah yes awaiting competent leadership. I’m afraid that as easy as it is to blame the politicians, the bulk of the “credit” belongs to the American electorate.

The American voters had more than ample opportunity to look closely at the President’s, shall we say, less than stellar, track record up to that point in his life. Obviously many chose to ignore it. Twice.

Now that the chickens are coming home to roost it brings me no happiness. Until the average American voter is ready to elect people who are willing and able to fundamentally change the two party system and it’s reliance on enormous payoffs, I mean contributions, from corrupt or corruptible donors and benefactors, things will never change. And I think sadly, that’s exactly what the voters want. No real change, which would require enormous courage on the part of many people. Just a chance to do what they always done, b1tch about whoever is in office.

By getalife

June 18, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

Here is a new book, #12 and climbing

He writes well.

Lock Libby up now!

Free Paris.

By Political Foreskin

June 18, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

Just when we were over Bush’s pronounciation of “Al Queda”, now we have to listen to him say, “Fatah” and “Hamas”.

War is hell.

Anyone else notice W’s lisp on his S’s? He stays on that consonant like a snake. Real emphasis on the S sound, I’m sure he got an A in preschool for the S sound. His teacher must have encouraged him…. “Good, George, Good”

“SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS”

“That’s fine, George, really fine, but…”

“SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS”

“Now George, we’re all proud of you for your S’s but can you sit down now?”

“SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS”

“GEORGE!!”

By @@

June 18, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

Bosch:

I want to apologize if I gave you the impression that my intent was to make the Episcopal church look bad. Often times “individuals” within the church can give the wrong impression of “the church” as a whole.

I’m too busy attending to my own shortcomings to worry about what others may be doing or not doing.

I’ve checked into the “quote” that had rushncap so upset. It seems as though there are many sites where discussion has been held on that particular incident. Nobody denies that the comment was made, and no article identifies “the activist” who may have made it.

This leads me to believe that the comment may not have been intended as racist, but merely referred to the geographical area from which the Nigerians came, and “monkeying” around could very possibly refer to “messing with”. The Washington Post even used the quotations in one of there columns although it quoted the individual as telling the African bishops to go back to the jungle, but excluded any comment that may have followed.

I can see where some may have seen it as racist. I can actually sit back and laugh because “supposedly” a gay-rights activist and a Nigerian cleric are at odds with each other as to whom represents the most intolerant among them.

My faith and sexual preference is mine and I’m not interested in anyone else’s.

Period.

By getalife

June 18, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

This guy writes really well

CNN is giving it legs.

By Daniel

June 18, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

AmVet: Who is the best person for the job?

By AmVet

June 18, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

Paul, I truly hope that you are correct about thinking there aren’t that many hardcore anti-science religious people out there.

The percentage of those who profess to be conservatives that fit that description on this blog is certainly noteworthy, I’d think you’d agree. Though they almost certainly are really at the very fringes of modern thought and are obviously repudiated by more rational bloggers.

By Paul

June 18, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

Luckodull 6:45

Trying to equate “justice” as a “search for the truth” instead of with “power politics” is an exercise in frustration. And a point lost on many.

getalife

MajGen Taguba should’ve been given another star. What happened to him should’ve been reserved for such as Gen Casey - who was, instead, promoted to Army Chief of Staff.

By getalife

June 18, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

“My faith and sexual preference is mine and I’m not interested in anyone else’s”

@@,

That is liberal.

Get er Andy.

By Dusty

June 18, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Amvet,

Excuse me for intruding but you seem to expand on an old theme, family values and compassionate conservatism are problems. Is there a Christian church in the world that does not advocate family values and compassion?

It is quite true that some are more fundamental than others but there are no perfect churches. I don’t have any figues on how many Christians are “fundamentalist” but I doubt that they are a large percentage. They may be the most televised, the most accused, and the most imperative in their faith, but they do not lack in family values or compassion.

Many liberals have family values and compassion. Do you also condemn them?

By RW-(the original)

June 18, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Look at rushncap trying to get in a last second cheap shot at someone who hasn’t even posted here today.

rushncap,

Every time you and I debate some factual point you eventually get around to admitting I was right, so please try to find ONE example of my claiming knowledge I don’t possess.

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

{{{By Daniel March 14, 2007 6:41 PM RE: I served in Germany at the end of the Second War. I am not of german descent. Germany today represents the strongest democracy in eastern Europe.}}}

The same person^^ that constantly whines about government “dishonesty:”

{{{By Daniel June 18, 2007 6:44 PM In the wieght room today they were talking about the RNC e-mail scandal.}}}

Let’s see here, World War 2 ended 61 years ago and let’s just say that Dhimmi Danny was 17 when he was “serving.”

In other words, we have us a 78 year old weight lifter.

What a patented absurd ridiculous liar.

You cannot believe one word that comes out of any of these lib’s mouths, they are all pathological liars, goony little hacks that can’t help themselves, it’s mental.

And if you subtract all of the BS they spread, Bush is a saint.

Geez.

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By Daniel

June 18, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this

Bush has screwed America. Liberal, Conservative and in between.

By rushncap

June 18, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

RW getting in one last lie. You have been right I think once so far. I stopped debating you because a) you’re a stalker and b) I got tired of destroying you. It was too easy and not interesting.

By AmVet

June 18, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

Daniel, great question. And though I always get completely flamed for saying so, I proudly voted for Ralph Nader twice.

And for two reasons. The obvious first one was that I neither trusted nor respected George W. Bush and his abysmal record leading up to 2000. And his Democratic rival both times seemed a minor improvement.

But the much bigger reason was that for the first time in my life I saw a legitimate Presidential candidate who was absolutely drop dead serious about changing the status quo in Washington. I had been leaning away from my historical Democratic roots for some time, but when I saw what they did to Nader in the primaries, that sealed the deal for me. They learned very well and very quickly from the masters of sliming and unfounded personal attacks from the Gingrich crowd and the other neo-cons soon to follow.

Would Nader have made some mistakes? Certainly. Some big ones? Probably. But at least he has the balls to try and truly change the debacle that now passes for American leadership and governance.

By RW-(the original)

June 18, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Check out your 6:36 and then look for me anywhere above it. Who’s the stalker?

It should be very easy for you to back your claim about me claiming knowledge I don’t possess if you can just go back and find a time when you were right and I was wrong and, as you assert, there are so many of those times. Your problem is going to be that there isn’t a single example of that ever happening. Good luck!

By LuckoDull

June 18, 2007 7:18 PM | Link to this

{{{By getalife June 18, 2007 7:00 PM “My faith and sexual preference is mine and I’m not interested in anyone else’s” @@, That is liberal. Get er Andy.}}}

al-Gitmo: It works both ways.

I don’t really care to know if you are fascinated with your fellow man’s bunghole.

So why the gay pride parades and all this carrying on about marriage, especially when innocent children are watching?

Who’s the adults here?

And when do you start acting like it?

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By rushncap

June 18, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this

I mentioned you, I don’t scour the internet looking for your posts, dumba-ss. And you’re wrong constantly, starting with Kosovo and nukes in our first exchange, and ever since.

You may now have your traditional last word that no one reads.

By RW-(the original)

June 18, 2007 7:30 PM | Link to this

How would you know if I had the last word if you never read it. For that matter how would you know it was wrong.

rushncap,

You admitted I was right about Clinton lying us into war in Kosovo and the idea that there were loose nukes when Bush 41 was in office, Clinton rounded them all up and secured them, and then Bush 43 let them all loose again is too ludicrous for even someone as dumb as you to believe.

By Buy Danish

June 18, 2007 9:10 PM | Link to this

I’ve been gone all day and haven’t had time to read today’s scintillating comments, but this caught my eye”

{{{By Daniel March 14, 2007 6:41 PM RE: I served in Germany at the end of the Second War. I am not of german descent. Germany today represents the strongest democracy in eastern Europe.}}}

Over and above LuckoDull’s excellent point that it it unlikely that a 78 year old veteran of WWII is hanging out at the the local gym, there is this question:

Germany is in Eastern Europe?

Is that a sort of Freudian-Socialist slip by Danny? A little wishful thinking perhaps?

Western Europe defined

By LuckoDull

June 19, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this

Word:

So now the outgunned Fatah gangsters are suddenly crying about the uncivilized evils of looting, gangs, and random killings. Just as Thucydides warned about insurrectionists destroying civil society, so Fatah once erased civilization’s protocols on the presumption that no one else would dare do to them what they routinely did to others. How bizarre that Arafat’s followers of all people are reduced to appealing to international norms of decency and legality to avoid their utter destruction in Gaza by Hamas.

{{{Finally, remember that there is a reason why millions flood into Europe from the Middle East and to America from Mexico—and not vice versa. There is a reason why Democrats and Republicans don’t shoot each other in the streets of Washington, or why blue-state America does not mine red-state highways. And there is a reason why a Shiite mosque in Detroit is safer in the land of the Great Satan than it would be in Muslim Saudi Arabia. It’s called civilization—a precious and fragile commodity that is missed even by its destroyers the minute they’ve done away with it.}}}

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Richard Cohen, card carrying pinko®:

{{{For some odd reason, the same people who were so appalled about government snooping, the USA Patriot Act and other such threats to civil liberties cheered as the special prosecutor weed-whacked the press, jailed a reporter and now will send a previously obscure government official to prison for 30 months. An unpopular war produced the popular cry for scalps and, in Libby’s case, the additional demand that he express contrition — a vestigial Stalinist-era yearning for abasement. But the underlying crime is absent, the sentence is excessive and the investigation should not have been conducted in the first place. This is a mess. Should Libby be pardoned? Maybe. Should his sentence be commuted? Definitely.}}}

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By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 8:07 AM | Link to this

September Song and Dance

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 8:09 AM | Link to this

FROM NYT

“June 17, 2007 Editorial Presidential Stone Walls

The template for the Bush administration’s mania for secrecy was signed by the president six years ago — Executive Order 13233, reversing the presumption of right of public access to presidential papers. This basic right of taxpayers and historians alike was embedded in the 1978 laws enacted after the Nixon administration. The reforms established a reasonable 12-year waiting period for access. But Mr. Bush’s reversal lets presidents or vice presidents (guess who?) keep their records sealed in perpetuity unless they or their heirs approve access.

Fortunately, Congress is in the process of demonstrating that such hermetic devotion to secrecy has no place in a democracy. Mr. Bush’s order would be rescinded by a proposal approved overwhelmingly in the House in March and now making its way to passage in the Senate. The White House, of course, is vowing to veto any final bill. So it is important that the Senate re-establish the public’s obvious right to historical transparency with the same veto-proof support achieved in the House.

Otherwise, Mr. Bush’s dictum will stand, with no explanation required for denying requests, nor any appeal allowed. The executive order leaves a costly, lengthy lawsuit as Americans’ only avenue of possible redress.

Hiding secrets and embarrassments may be a predictable part of a politician’s instinct for survival. But attempting to enshrine this instinct timelessly is a stain on the Constitution and an insult to history. The administration insists that only 64 of more than two million pages have been sealed thus far. They would be a good place to start reading once Congress re-establishes the public’s right to know.”

By LuckoDull

June 19, 2007 8:11 AM | Link to this

{{{Each time Israel gives up something necessary for its security, it receives in return more war, more terror and more insecurity. If more for less remains the “strategy” of the United States, then Israel has two choices: surrender now, or prepare for all-out war with catastrophic results.}}} What would be so bad about a resounding, colossal defeat inflicted upon the cut throat terrorist? Wouldn’t the world be a better place without these savages, their mayhem and religious enslaving?

Ralph Peters gets it:

{{{Faith is the nuclear weapon of the fanatic. And there’s not going to be a religious “nuclear freeze.” It doesn’t matter how many hearts and minds you win, if you don’t defeat the zealots with the muscles.}}}

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Your next president:

{{{But Reid’s comments are not meant for logical analysis. He proclaimed the war lost some time ago, and the surge as a failure even before the additional troops were on the ground. The problem is that every one of Reid’s comments I’ve noted here has also been reported gleefully by Al Jazeera and other anti-American media. Whether he means to or not, he’s encouraging our enemies to believe that they are winning the critical war of will.}}}

Cowards.

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By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this

Whenever you hear the administration crowing about the progress the Iraqi parliament has made towards passing its oil law, keep this in mind.

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 8:26 AM | Link to this

A massive number of White House emails are missing. “The potential violation of the Presidential Records Act may be extensive.”

Remember the good old days when CONservatives used shredders instead of the delete key?

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this

This is how the Republican members of Congress feel about Bush

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this

Democrats Press Plan to Channel Billions in Oil Subsidies to Renewable Fuels

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

Here’s adorable photographic proof that man and dinosaurs walked the Earth together.

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

Well, tomorrow is a big day in my state. Earlier this year, GOP shill and big business appendage Charlie Norwood (GA-10th District) died in office. This has opened a power vacuum, and now a delightful cast of misfits are vying for Norwood’s old job. There are more candidates in this “non-partisan” race than there are vying for the GOP 2008 Presidential bid, and of course, the wing-nuttiest, most deliriously stupid one is in the lead

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this

Real Wage Gains…Nice While They Lasted (And They Didn’t Last Long)

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 8:47 AM | Link to this

A Letter to the RNC from former CIA Officers

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

Bush, Industry Block Anti-Terror Regulations For Chemical Plants

By Dusty

June 19, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS

Do us a favor and go get your own blog. We don’t need the DNC news reports here every day. We KNOW you don’t like Republicans, the President, the War, our form of government, honesty and a few other things that are USA. That’s your idea of national support, just like your support of our troops. Ha!

Go stir up some local liberals to get more votes. It’s going to take a lot of “stirring” to get Democratic votes because Americans see how the Democratic led Congress is going downhill like a semi without brakes.

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

Dusty, What’s good for the goose (IN THE NEWS) is good for the gander (LuckoDull).

I don’t see you chastising LuckoDull who continues to invade us with his CONservative garbage day in and day out.

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Dusters, if you don’t like what he posts - leave. No one is keeping you here.

By @@

June 19, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Our Scientific Tax Test

(((The latest news on the tax front is that paying taxes feels good, according to researchers quoted by NewScientist.com. It says the “surprising discovery” is based on brain scans conducted by one William Harbaugh at the University of Oregon (full disclosure: the University of Oregon is funded by taxpayers).)))

The University of OREGON? OREGON?

Run that test again Mr. Harbaugh but without the benefit of your tax-funded salary and position. You are obviously a liberal so “picking brains cells” is likely your forte.

Those “brains” can serve your position of authority/agenda, which is exactly why “useful tools” are needed to sharpen the teeth that will bite them in the a$$ once indoctrinated to your way of “thinking”.

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

Bungle, Rinse, Repeat

By Bosch

June 19, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

Good morning In The News and Funny Morons, and Dusty.

FM, LOVED the Jesus and Dinosaur picture.

So, Dusty, are you ready for a Paul debate?

By Dusty

June 19, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Funny morons aka IN THE PRESS,

LuckoDull does not give us direct copies of RNC news. He gives us varied news reports that support the USA and its war efforts. That is why I like his comments better than yours.

I like support for this country, not the enemy we are fighting. Your constant indictment of everything American is of great joy for our enemies. You encourage them. LuckoDull encourages the USA.

By Bosch

June 19, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

@@, I read your post last night and I appreciate what you said. I liked your last comment about who is the most intolerant. I’m not going to beat the dead horse today, but during the Robinson ordeal, it was a pretty hard time for the church, and it was very surprising and very depressing to many the worldwide outrage it caused, and it was also surprising the response and interference of the African primates.
(I know some ignorant person out there doesn’t like that word, but who cares?)

rushncap, Good morning. I hope my essay on the Anglican Catholic Church helped some. Like I said, I don’t know much about them, but I think they are a break away denomination. It is funny to think who is the head of their church, that’s what I meant yesterday by the conference call — maybe the Pope, Rowan Williams, and their Presiding Bishop get together once a week so Benedictine and Williams can tell him what to think.

By Bosch

June 19, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Dusty, It’s IN THE “NEWS,” not “PRESS” Get it right.

So, do you want to talk about Paul now? I kind of like the reference to a used car salesman yesterday. That was pretty good.

But seriously, I think Paul has gotten a bad reputation with some because of what others have interpreted by his writings. We can’t blame Paul for the shortcomings of others.

But it does disturb me how the fundamental evangelicals usually quote him more than Jesus.

By Bosch

June 19, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Dusty, I have a question -

“I like support for this country, not the enemy we are fighting. Your constant indictment of everything American is of great joy for our enemies. You encourage them. LuckoDull encourages the USA.”

You are constantly harping on about those who dissent as fuel for the enemy. It makes me wonder, how do you know this? Do you read the terrorists letters and websites? Because, seriously, if you do, can you provide us a link? I’d really like to read it as well, so I can get a better perspective of how we are fueling the joys of the terrorists.

By Dusty

June 19, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

No, Bosch,

I have no desire to have a “debate” with you. Soon as something is mentioned you “already know that” and then run off to drink beer. I am left with my glass of iced tea.

Nevertheless, I will be on the west side of Georgia for most of the day. I will read your pearls of wisdom when I return. You and Paul try to stay sober, although you will need strong drink if rushncap keeps posting.

Auf weidersein or something…..

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Good morning Bosch!

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

Dusty - for the record I don’t share IDs with IN THE NEWS. Your mistaking us for that lovable Siamese twin set RW/Buy Dhimmi.

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

Separate Interrogation Rules For Special Forces?

By getalife

June 19, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

Are you going to support your country when a Dem is elected President or are you going to scream “wag the dog” like you did with Clinton winning his war?

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

North Korea has fired a missile toward waters between the Korean Peninsula and Japan, according to neighboring South Korea, amid signs of progress in ending Pyongyang’s nuclear program.

QUICK! Invade Iran!

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Justice Expands Stevens Investigation

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

George Bush - the best recruiter the terrorists ever had

Too bad the Taliban is retaking Afghanistan. I’ll bet if we had stabilized that country and captured Bin Laden instead of invading Iraq this wouldn’t be happening.

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

YES, I TAKE REQUESTS

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

Bosch — yes, thank you for your post re “Anglican Catholics”. I’m still not sure what they are exactly, and I get a feeling you’re not too sure either, but I actually did not realize the Episcopalians were as independent of the British Anglicans as you state that they are. News stories make it sound like they are all one church.

@@ — cute of you to demean a person’s research based on the state he lives in. You know, you really are an atrocious person. I mean, this is sinking in slowly, but you really are a horrific human being. I keep wanting to give you the benefit of a doubt because you seem so nice, but you really are the type of person who would twist a knife in someone’s back smiling kindly all the while. I’m honestly starting to think that you’re the worst person on this board because you’re so manipulative.

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

Republican Terrorist Partner Arrested in Spain?

{{{The Republican party needs to be placed on “The List” of terrorist related organizations and watched very carefully}}}

By @@

June 19, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

(((Perlstein said conservatism “is a movement about nothing, and I don’t think it can succeed, and I implore the American people to turn their backs on it.”)))

Excuse me, but would that mean Americans should “turn their backs” on support of American “traditions”?

(((Connie Rice, a civil rights attorney who is also Secretary of State Condi Rice’s second cousin said, “We need to take this country back and put it back on the right track,” “But do not fool yourselves — talking to ourselves is not going to do it.”)))

Well then somebody needs to tell that to the “sockpuppets” on this site who talk to themselves constantly under multiple IDs.

(((“We ought to be able to step up with a platform and philosophy,” Rice said. “We need to understand why we don’t appeal to Americans.”)))

Maybe it’s because you’ve abandoned America’s support of “traditional beliefs”, all the while asking Americans to support a party with “no platform or philosophy”? Duh!!!!!!

(((Richards pointed to the conference as evidence of the rise of progressive influence in politics. “Who’s the biggest conference at this hotel?” she asked, “It’s the Take Back America conference!”)))

(((The conference is being held at the Washington Hilton, where in 1981 John Hinckley, Jr. failed in his attempt to assassinate conservative Republican President Ronald Reagan.)))

Some Americans could interpret the location of the liberal’s conference as symbolic I suppose. A “failed assasination attempt” on a sitting Republican president.

(((CPAC, the long-running conservative counterpart to Take Back America, drew a reported 6,300 activists this year to its March conference, held at the Omni Shoreham hotel in Washington. CAF co-director Robert Borosage announced Monday that Take Back America had “nearly 3,000” attendees.)))

So that’s like what….over double the numbers on the conservative side?

So let’s revisit Connie Rice’s question:

(((“We need to understand why we don’t appeal to Americans.”)))

Maybe it’s because liberals just “don’t get” America and Americans.

That’s ^^^ an intended Freudian “ooops/aa

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

Way back in March, when the U.S. Attorney purge scandal was front-page news, Kagro X wrote a great piece that touched on a likely trend: a new opportunity for defense attorneys. “Defense attorneys across the country are doubtless exploring the possibility of demanding new trials for their clients,” KX wrote, “and those awaiting trial will be seeking dismissal of charges, all because the Department of Justice has been exposed as a political attack machine” As it turns out, that’s exactly what’s going on.

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Looks like they’re “following us home” before we even left

Good job George!

By Bosch

June 19, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Rushncap, That’s why I was so long-winded yesterday, because most people have only read what’s in the popular media without bothering to learn things first hand from and Episcopalian (image that? Go figure).

Yes, the Episcopal Church is very independent of the Church of England, however, we are all part of the Anglican Community. We have our own resources (money, property, etc.). That’s what I really hate about organized church in general is because so much discourse is usually based around money and power.

By getalife

June 19, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

“Bloomberg: US Is “Really In Trouble”

Looks like you picked the wrong mayor Andy.

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

Giuliani Prioritizes Fundraising Over Iraq Strategy

{{{Newsday reports new details behind Rudy Giuliani’s departure from the Iraq Study Group last May, after serving just two months on the panel. After Giuliani failed to show up for a single official meeting of the group, the chairman of the panel — James Baker — gave him “a stark choice: either attend the meetings or quit.”…..Stephen Hess, a scholar at Brookings, said quitting the group is a reflection of Giuliani’s poor leadership and decision-making. “Leaving that study group was not exactly an act of courage,” said Hess.}}}

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

Bosch — again, thank you. The thing is, almost none of my friends are religious and I honestly can’t think of a single person with whom I spend time socially who is Protestant, much less an Episcopalian. I have a good friend who is Catholic, and my brother is some sort of crunchy Christian but since my days of youth group in high school I have lost almost all contact with people who are overtly, purposefully religious. So it’s interesting to hear from someone who is Christian and seems to actually know what that implies.

By Jesus

June 19, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By @@

June 19, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

Oregon is a beautiful state where a vast majority of its citizens go to escape the realities of the world around them.

I watched a documentary on the History channel the other night about the activists during the radical 60’s. For all their efforts, nothing has changed; the world remains the same. Old hippies never die, they just relocate to OREGON.

(((@@—You know, you really are an atrocious person. I mean, this is sinking in slowly, but you really are a horrific human being.)))

Think what you will rushncap. I’ve never denied you that privilege.

“YOU”, on the other hand:

(((Dusters, if you don’t like what he posts - leave.)))

Note the difference in approaches?

Yours is rather “tyrannical” while mine is “free-wheeling”.

Outta here.

By God

June 19, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

I raised a bright boy don’t you think?

Do what he says!

By LuckoDull

June 19, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

Dusty gets it:

{{{By Dusty June 19, 2007 10:15 AM Funny morons aka IN THE PRESS,I like support for this country, not the enemy we are fighting. Your constant indictment of everything American is of great joy for our enemies. You encourage them.}}}

Bosch doesn’t get it:

{{{By Bosch June 19, 2007 10:28 AM Dusty, I have a question -You are constantly harping on about those who dissent as fuel for the enemy. It makes me wonder, how do you know this?}}}

Bin Laden knows about our Cowards:

{{{UBL: (…Inaudible…) when people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse.}}}

Do any of you clowns think he is talking about the 3rd Infantry Division, which is currently kicking Al Qaeda’s as-s up and down the Euphrates river, or is he talking about the weak sister democrats, who just like Bin Laden said, are trying to run and hide from his suicide bombing killers?

Duh.

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By rushncap

June 19, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

Oh wow, @@ knows all about Oregon by watching a documentary. I think I watched a documentary about you too. It’s called “Swarms”.

I guess old b!tches don’t die, they just relocate to GEORGIA.

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

LuckoDullard - I think he’s talking about Americans as a whole because we stopped looking for him to invade a toothless country like Iraq.

I don;t know one liberal who didn’t want us to keep our forces in Afghanistan to find and kill Bin Laden and neutralize Al Queda.

I know of several thousand CONservatives who cheer on the Iraq debacle. Bin Laden is still laughing at that one.

By Shawny

June 19, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

If Mikey ran out of ideas, here is a good one for a toon…

Despite the new Democratic congressional leadership’s promise of “openness and transparency” in the budget process, a CNN survey of the House found it nearly impossible to get information on lawmakers’ pet projects..

Where’s the beef?!?

By LuckoDull

June 19, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

{{{By morons® June 19, 2007 11:53 AM LuckoDullard - I think he’s talking about Americans as a whole because we stopped looking for him to invade a toothless country like Iraq.}}}

That would be pretty good were it true, goony, considering Bin Laden said that 2 years before we invaded Iraq.

Duh.

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{{{By morons® June 19, 2007 11:25 AM Looks like they’re “following us home” before we even left}}}

From goony’s little link:

{{{Teams assigned to carry out attacks in the United States, Canada, Great Britain and Germany were introduced at an al Qaeda/Taliban training camp graduation ceremony held June 9. A Pakistani journalist was invited to attend and take pictures as some 300 recruits}}}

Thank you Pakistan for telling us from whence any future suicide bombings will be coming from and which country we should reduce to rubble in response to any future suicide bombings.

How smart.

Duh.

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By Right-wing nut job in full glory

June 19, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

I agree with Luck and Dusty that disagreeing with a Republican President is treasonous. (Objecting to a democrat president over Somolia, Serbia or Vietnam is different. Don’t ask. Its just the way it is.) Here are some idiot liberal scum who disagree with genuises like Luck, Dusty and myself:

Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official… ~Theodore Roosevelt

The dangerous patriot…drifts into chauvinism and exhibits blind enthusiasm for military actions. ~Colonel James A. Donovan, Marine Corps

It is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else. ~Theodore Roosevelt

In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. ~George Orwell

That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. ~Theodore Roosevelt

Look at you in war…There has never been a just one, never an honorable one, on the part of the instigator of the war. ~Mark Twain

There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. ~General Smedley Butler

May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. ~Dwight D. Eisenhower

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. ~James Madison

What a bunch of liberal, commie scumbags. A real American follows the sage words of our Great Leader:

Our enemies…never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we. ~George W. Bush

By LuckoDull

June 19, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

Dearest AJC:

Could you please explain to me why little goony “In the Propaganda” can post comments 3 minutes apart but I can’t?:

{{{Mike Luckovich Editorial cartoons from Mike Luckovich. Comment Submission Error Your comment submission failed for the following reasons: Too many comments have been submitted from you in a short period of time. Please try again in a short while.}}}

Censoring me again, are we?

Cowards.

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By Bosch

June 19, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

So Andy knows Bin Laden? Tell me Andy, do you and old Binny sit around and talk about us cowards? Interesting.

Hmmmmm.

Rushncap, I’d shock too many people here if I told you what I actually believe in regards of Christianity, but that’s what I like about the Episcopal Church, no one ever tells me what to think. Jesus is just alright with me, Paul, well, he tried. He was a good guy, that’s why I was trying to bait Dusty into a discussion. Her kind know so much more about Paul, rarely adhere to the teachings of the main guy. So, go figure.

“Crunchy Christian” that’s a good one! That one made me laugh.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

June 19, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

I almost forgot my favorite Great Leader quote:

Free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don’t attack each other. Free nations don’t develop weapons of mass destruction. ~George W. Bush

If that quote doesn’t tell you that we aren’t a free country and that you’d better shut up before we get you, I don’t know what will. Take the hint you liberal coward scumbags before we come kill your treasonous butts.

RWNJIFG

By Amused Observer

June 19, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Note link provided by In The News (10:57) - The repugs will try to block this. They can then whine about how the democrats have failed, or have offered no solutions.

By LuckoDull

June 19, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

{{{By nut job June 19, 2007 12:06 PM I agree with Luck and Dusty that disagreeing with a Republican President is treasonous. (Objecting to a democrat president over Somolia, Serbia or Vietnam is different. Don’t ask. Its just the way it is.)}}}

Does anyone else realize how ignorant it is to call attention to the fact that a few Republicans accused Clinton of “distracting the public from his impeachment” by bombing another country versus all of the democrats trying to surrender the whole entire country to Al Qaeda?

You goonies can’t tell the major over riding difference here?

Duh.

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By LickoDull

June 19, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

WAWAAAAAAAAAAAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

I can’t post my bullsh!t more often than every three minutes.

But I can be the first one each and every day with 5 or six in a row.

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By getalife

June 19, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Rep. Gingrey dishonors the troops by understating their losses

Chicken hawk pos.

Geez.

By Daniel

June 19, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

RWNJIFG: I love your stuff. Keep it up!

By LickoDull

June 19, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

{{{Does anyone else realize how ignorant it is to call attention to the fact that a few Republicans accused Clinton of “distracting the public from his impeachment” by bombing another country versus all of the democrats trying to surrender the whole entire country to Al Qaeda?}}}

Does anyone else realize what a STUPID statement this was?

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

June 19, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

Luck,

While I didn’t mention GOP criticism of Clinton bombing an Al Qaeda camp in Afghanistan nor did I mention GOP suggestions that Clinton’s ‘obsession’ with Bin Laden was raising his profile, I’m glad that you did because it just emphasizes the point I had made which is that criticism is a one way street and everybody needs to understand that. Saying that a Democrat President used the military in Afghanistan simply to take our eyes off of the fact that he got head and didn’t want his wife to know, in no way emboldens the enemy into thinking that we weren’t serious about him. However, suggesting that Bush is anything but Our Great Infallible Leader is treasonous and should be punishable by death. Once again you are right on the mark. You should right a book entitled “Everybody that Disagrees with Me is a Coward and Must Die.” I’d buy it.

RWNJIFG

By Daniel

June 19, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

RWNJIFG: It is a disservice to respond to Andy.

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

Several conservative House members who last week “vociferously” (and falsely) attacked Rep. David Obey (D-WI) for weakening earmark disclosure rules have chosen to keep their lists of personal earmarks secret. They include House Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-MO) and Reps. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN), Dan Burton (R-IN), Virginia Foxx (R-NC) and Patrick McHenry (R-NC

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Paging Dr Romney

By American First

June 19, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Ok so you are correct, my point is that instead of calling them leaders you use that term. Whether they call themeselves that or not in this day and age at least in my opinion when you lump in African an primate it is just wrong. Period….

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

{{{By rushncap

June 19, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

Bosch — again, thank you. The thing is, almost none of my friends are religious and I honestly can’t think of a single person with whom I spend time socially who is Protestant, much less an Episcopalian. I have a good friend who is Catholic, and my brother is some sort of crunchy Christian but since my days of youth group in high school I have lost almost all contact with people who are overtly, purposefully religious. So it’s interesting to hear from someone who is Christian and seems to actually know what that implies.}}}

Translation:

rushncap inhabits the world of academia which is overpopulated by Leftists, Secular Progressives and other species of Atheists and Agnostics.

Despite his smug illusions of his own worldliness and superiority, the world he lives in is fact very cloistered and separate from the mainstream of America.

Think about it - how do you manage to avoid socializing with Christians in a country whose population is 80% Christian and 15% non-religious?

It’s kind of like living in the Middle East and not knowing any Muslims.

Furthermore, what is an “overtly, purposely religious person”? How does he imagine that your typical Christian behaves as they go about their daily lives?

Do tell.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

June 19, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

To be a good Christian you have to say that you are Pro-Life but find as many reasons to kill as possible. I think this is in the Book of Corinthians.

You have to do unto others without worrying about what it would mean if it were done to you. That is Matthew I think.

You have to vote GOP. I’m pretty sure that is in the Book of Kings.

You must love money. Lots of money. Money is the root of all that is good. I think that may be in Luke.

If you follow those basic rules then you pretty much have it covered.

RWNJIFG

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

Muffin, in order. Yes, I’m friends with people who go to college. Sorry babe, I tend to socialize with very smart individuals. They tend to be, by and large, non-religious. Wait… why am I apologizing for that? I guess because I’m lucky, and you aren’t. Second I have no desire to be with “mainstream America”. I have a desire to be with the best, the brightest, the most interesting. I’m not a politician trying to pretend that I’m Joe Everyman. I don’t have time or desire to be friends with everyone. I don’t select my friends based on their religious convictions, but just like you probably don’t know many atheists, I don’t know many religious people. And trust me, being an “average American”, which seems to be your lone source of pride in this world, does not appeal to me in the least. I’ve seen “average America”. Not interested. I’m a Russian Jew, I’ve been taught since diapers that to survive I have to be far better than average anything. I guess I still strive for that. You take pride in mediocrity. I try to avoid it.

What is an overtly “purposely” (can’t you at least quote me without misspelling words?) religious person? By that I mean a person to whom religion actually matters. Lots of people would probably tell you they are “Christian” if asked, but for a whole lot of them this is more social inertia than anything else. My best friend is ostensibly Catholic, though I think I’ve been to church more recently than him, and I’m pretty sure I know the Bible better than him. But I doubt he would admit to being an atheist.

By w00t

June 19, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

Oh, and to be a Christian, you can’t believe in Evolution, Astronomy, physics, global warming, stem cell research or any other form of science for that matter.

It’s all witchcraft anyway.

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

RWNJIFG — I think you’re mostly right. This is why I tend to stay the hell away from that party.

By Daniel

June 19, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

RWNJIFG: You also need your head planted well into the Bush rear so that your brain is saturated in methane thereby eliminating any ability to think critically. That is found, I believe in the Book of Psalms. Just after, “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth”.

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Church attendance in the U.S. is, apparently, stable and strong. Year after year 40 percent of Americans tell pollsters that they attended church or synagogue in the last seven days. (Source Religononline.com)

United States — Population: 301,139,947 (July 2007 est.)

301,139,947 x .40 = 12,045,597

MAINSTREAM?

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

In the News — there is no way your math is correct. 40% of 300 mil is not 12 mil. You’re off by an order of magnitude.

By AmVet

June 19, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

RWNJIFG, pro-life indeed.

It’s just another case where yet another term or phrase has been co-opted by the extremists. And as you alluded to, these are the same people who, in most cases, are big-time for the death penalty and even bigger Iraq occupation fans.

They could to do the right thing and call it what it really is - anti-abortion or anti-choice. But pro-life sounds so much better, doesn’t it?

By LMAO

June 19, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

“Illegal alien” sounds much better than “Christian Immigrant”

Don’t even get me started on love thy neighbor.

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

LMAO — “The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried.”

G. K. Chesterton.

What’s annoying is that there are so many good, decent Christians, like Bosch. But we now associate “American Christian” with the likes of Danish. And that’s sad.

By Daniel

June 19, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

AmVet: Whatever they are, they are not christian.

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

CRIPES!

SORRY

NOT 12 MILLION

ITS A 120 MILLION

IS 40% “MAINSTREAM”?

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Indeed, they pledged their lives, fortunes and sacred honor so that even ungrateful dimwits like you can have a better life and then heap scorn upon the very institutions that allowed you to escape tyranny, poverty and oppression.

You are correct about one thing! I made an error and wrote “purposely” instead of “purposefully”.

Here is a Christian that even rushncap can love - An Episcopal-Muslim Priest who doesn’t believe in anything as far as I can tell.

IN THE NEWS,

Church attendance is not a measurement of religious affiliation. Try again.

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

Bush’s Legacy

I will remember the current president as an inept commander in chief possessing singularly abysmal judgment. A president whose inane borrow-and-spend, rose-colored glasses and stick-your-head-in-the-sand economic policies have increased the national debt by $3 trillion for future generations to contend with. A president who misrepresented global warming as scientifically debatable when no real debate has existed for at least a decade. A hypocrite claiming to be pro-life while denying millions of afflicted citizens funds for the potential of embryonic-stem-cell research.

I will remember that 9-11 occurred nine months into his stewardship after he met not one time with his chief terrorism adviser. We will all remember that he began a preemptive war through misrepresentation of facts, misuse of information and misleading Congress and the American public.

I will remember the sheer audacity of CONservatives trying to compare the poor judgment of a man leading to a marital infidelity with that of a man whose awful judgment has killed or wounded 35,000 U.S. troops and more than 100,000 Iraqi civilians.

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

SEE LAZY FRED WIN THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE NEO-CONS

HE’S A PANDER BEAR

By AmVet

June 19, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

The quotes from Theodore Roosevelt reminded me why I always thought very favorably of that Republican US President.

After all he was an historian, naturalist, explorer, author, and soldier with a vast range of interests and achievements.

He was one of the very first promoters of the conservation movement and sought to protect but efficiently use our natural resources.

He distrusted wealthy businessmen and apparently dissolved dozens of monopolistic corporations. And he did trust capitalism but was adamantly opposed to the corrupt, illegal practices of the business leaders of his day.

He was a great statesman and a consummate negotiator who understood the principles of give and take.

Ironically after serving nearly 8 years in the White House, he left the GOP and ran on the Bull Moose ticket. He lost but cost the GOP so many progressive votes that Woodrow Wilson won the presidency in 1912!

Will we EVER have a Republican President that even remotely comes close to that again?

Unless there is some great unknown out there on the horizon, it doesn’t look good.

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION IS NOT A MEASURMENT OF GODLINESS.

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

No, Muffin, the American Revolution, to which you are referring, was not done by average Americans. It was inspired, and instigated, by a bunch of absolutely extraordinary extremists who dared to not follow their imperious leader, but think for themselves and radically rebel against tradition and established order. They were educated, intelligent (on average far less religious than the average American at the time) and patriotic. They loved their country, not their leader, they wanted change for the better rather than stagnant status quo.

You may have to get someone to explain my post to you. I’m sure everything I wrote here is completely foreign to you, Muffin.

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Woops, some of my sentences were inadvertently deleted.

Let’s try again -

Rushncap,

When did I use the word “average”? I didn’t. I used the words “mainstream” and “typical”. Do you need a dictionary, munchkin?

Believe me, I don’t think of the Christians who founded this country or their descendants, as being “average” in any sense of the word.

Rather, they were and are extraordinary. Unlike nattering nabobs like you, I believe in the concept of American Exceptionalism - something you and your unappreciative colleagues do their best to deny and destroy.

Indeed, they pledged their lives, fortunes and sacred honor so that even ungrateful dimwits like you can have a better life and then heap scorn upon the very institutions that allowed you to escape tyranny, poverty and oppression.

You are correct about one thing! I made an error and wrote “purposely” instead of “purposefully”.

By Daniel

June 19, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

I would not mind their rubbing our noses in their bogus christianity, I would endure that if only they had talent.

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

Muffin — what’s the difference between “mainstream” and “average” in your little mind? Then explain to me why anyone should strive to be either. I don’t care what is “mainstream”. I care what I think is true, and what isn’t. If every last human being in this country thought one thing and I believed it was wrong, I would not want to change. You want everyone to be gray, mindless, unthinking mob. No thanks. I choose to think. You choose to do what you are told. To each his own. I would not trade with you, as I’m sure you would not trade with me.

By AmVet

June 19, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

Daniel, just to follow up from yesterday evening, it’s apparent that Nader is not going to run again. And in my opinion, that is a shame. But I can hope that he is just the first of more to come. And unless these two political parties can finally start acting for the good of the nation before themselves and their benefactors somebody is going to come along and replace this, as I call it, debacle of leadership and governance.

I must preface the next statement with the fact that I have not yet truly started looking at the candidates very closely. However, on both sides, I am so far very unimpressed.

At this early date, the only interesting Dem to me is Richardson. I do not trust the junior senator from NY and Obama seems OK, but who the hell really knows? Edwards could be a possible last desperate choice.

I know very little about Bloomberg, but will do some research on him. Otherwise, the GOP has the usual cast of clowns too. As for Rudy, see my remarks about Hillary above. There is some hope that he could actually be a closet moderate, but he seems totally untrustworthy IMHO. Romney is bright but will apparently say anything to get elected. I used to really like McCain and still he is the only one of that gang worthy of respect, but he would never be able to get us out of Iraq. The only Repub I like so far isn’t even running _ Hagel from Nebraska. A no-nonsense combat veteran with a brain on his shoulders.

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

American Exceptionalism

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

MORE ON American exceptionalism

{{{The term has also come to describe the belief that the United States has an exceptional position among countries, and should not be bound by international law except where it serves American interests. This position is driven by a (usually implicit) premise that the United States cannot violate international law (and in particular international human rights norms) because of the view that America itself was largely responsible for instigating those norms in the first place. This view has come under stress due to international condemnation of US human rights practices under the doctrine of War on Terror. (Also see: Human rights and the United States.)}}}}The term has also come to describe the belief that the United States has an exceptional position among countries, and should not be bound by international law except where it serves American interests. This position is driven by a (usually implicit) premise that the United States cannot violate international law (and in particular international human rights norms) because of the view that America itself was largely responsible for instigating those norms in the first place. This view has come under stress due to international condemnation of US human rights practices under the doctrine of War on Terror. (Also see: Human rights and the United States.)

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

By the way, Muffin, what do you consider to be the definition of “American Exceptionalism”?

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

Dark Passage: PNAC’s Blueprint for Empire

{{{{The Beautiful Song of War These texts spring from the Dominators’ quasi-religious cult of “American exceptionalism,” the belief in the unique and utter goodness of the American soul – embodied chiefly by the nation’s moneyed elite, of course – and the irredeemable, metaphysical evil of all those who would oppose or criticize the elite’s righteous (and conveniently self-serving) policies.}}}

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Without referring to a dictionary, “average” as YOU used means “ordinary”.

“Mainstream” means the prevailing force - think of a “stream”, munchkin.

The word “mainstream” does not have anything to do with the word “mob”. If it did, I don’t think people like Nancy Pelosi would use it so often in an attempt to pretend that the far Left represent the “mainstream” of American views.

Maybe you need a bit more time to perfect your English.

By getalife

June 19, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Killing in the name of

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Muffin, and Communism was “mainstream” in my country. Guess what, I was against it. That’s the difference between us honey: I think and choose my stances, you find what you’re told is “mainstream” and attach yourself to that as a leach. Words like “mainstream” are meaningless, they’re simply used to dupe the easily dupe-able (look in the mirror for this one) into voting the way they want you to vote. “Mainstream” is not virtue. It’s intellectual laziness.

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

“When did I use the word “average”? I didn’t. I used the words “mainstream” and “typical”. Do you need a dictionary, munchkin?” -Buy Dhimmi

Will a thesaurus do? You’ll find mainstream and typical among the list of words.

Main Entry: average Part of Speech: adjective 1 Definition: normal Synonyms: boilerplate, common, commonplace, customary, everyday, fair, familiar, garden, garden-variety, general, humdrum, intermediate, mainstream, mediocre, medium, middling, moderate, nowhere, ordinary, passable, plastic, regular, run-of-the-mill, so-so*, standard, tolerable, typical, undistinguished, unexceptional, usual, vanilla, white bread

Antonyms: abnormal, above par, atypical, exceptional, extraordinary, unusual

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

Thesaurus listing for average

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

This definition is close to how I would define it:

The basis most commonly cited for American exceptionalism is the idea that the United States and the American people hold a special place in the world, by offering opportunity and hope for humanity, derived from a unique balance of public and private interests governed by constitutional ideals that are focused on personal and economic freedom

No doubt you think the concept is “A Disease of Conceit”.

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

Hahahaha! Great post FM. Wow. Ouch. Yeeeeah, that pretty much sums up our Muffin - middling and boilerplate. Thanks for hitting out of the park a pitch I was just trying to bunt.

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

Don’t our Funny morons® ever tire of being ridiculed and proven wrong?

By Daniel

June 19, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

AmVet: there’s an article about Bloomberg in this weeks TIME. He points out more people are injured in street crime in America than by terrrorism. Bloomberg is a real republican! He tells us the truth: “America is in real trouble”. He will look for practical solutions. He will not use world events to scare us out of our wits; while unloading cash from the Treasury.

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

SHE FORGOT TO POST THIS PART OF THE DEFINITION

WONDER WHY?

””“The term has also come to describe the belief that the United States has an exceptional position among countries, and should not be bound by international law except where it serves American interests. “”“

By LuckoDull

June 19, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

{{{By Dhimmi Danny June 19, 2007 2:25 PM I would not mind their rubbing our noses in their bogus christianity, I would endure that if only they had talent.}}}

Spoken like a true “Christian,” let’s go around rubbing people’s noses in it to appease our anger and jealousy, geez.

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{{{By rushncrap June 19, 2007 2:48 PM I think and choose my stances, you find what you’re told is “mainstream” and attach yourself to that as a leach.}}}

Let’s see here, Bush’s popularity is at 38% and those favoring the current situation in Iraq are at 45%, and “free thinking rushncrap” is with the majority like a Hoover sucking some carpeting.

Geez.

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By Right-wing nut job in full glory

June 19, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish is right. The American Revolution was really a Christian Revolution. James Madison was a snake-handling Pentacostal and Thomas Jefferson was a Bible thumping Baptist minister. John Adams was a Catholic preist and George Washington was an evangelical. There is a lot of lies about these guys being Deists which is a lie spread by Satan’s minions. In fact, the whole separation of church and state thing was put in the Constitution by the DC Chapter of the ACLU. What these guys wanted was an something akin to a Christian Iran, but the liberals wouldn’t go for it. In fact, the whole Revolution was in response to the Enlightenment thinkers like John Locke and other English Humanists, whose philosophies were the beginning of secular humanism, now known as secular progressive. The founding fathers feared that there extremist ideas would find there way to America so we rebelled just in case. Its all right there in my book called “American History” by Pat Robertson. You ought to also read his book on science called “Why There Were Never Dinosaurs.” Its really good and explains how the skeletons of dinosaurs were put here by Satan to confuse the faithless into doubting that the world is only 6,000 years old.

By SOURCE PLEASE

June 19, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

OR IT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED BULL DOOKEY

Let’s see here, Bush’s popularity is at 38% and those favoring the current situation in Iraq are at 45%, and “free thinking rushncrap” is with the majority like a Hoover sucking some carpeting.

By Daniel

June 19, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS:

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

Wrong, Muffin, I don’t think of that idea as “Disease of Conceit”. It is conceit, of course. But America can do all those things the “exceptionalism” doctrine states. And I’d like us to. Which means I want us to stop acting like every other dustbin of history empire, and get back to improving the world. But first, of course, removing the log from our own eye. That means getting rid of the disease called “neocons”, the cancer called “the Bush administration”. And then getting back to helping those who want democracy, rather than killing those who have what we want. If you really want America to be exceptional, you’d support that. But I suspect that what you want is for America to be like any other empire than flourished and collapsed when those it oppressed got fed up with it.

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

Funny Morons,

Thank you for illustrating that “exceptional” is the opposite of “average” and proving me correct.

rushncap,

Kerist you’re a simpleton.

Communism is not in the maintream in this country, despite the best efforts of Useful Idiots in Academia to make it, or some form of it, the prevailing force here.

Why would I go against the mainstream when the mainstream runs in opposition to Marxist, err, “progressive” ideas?

You can swim against the mainstream all you want, but when it comes to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, I’m “going with the flow”.

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

THAT”S WHY I DO WHAT I DO

CUZ I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

“those favoring the current situation in Iraq are at 45%” -LuckoDullard

Again…

Don’t our Funny morons® ever tire of being wrong and ridiculed for it?

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

I know you “go with the flow”, Muffin. Intellectual midgets always do. They have no ideas of their own. They are told what to think, and boy do they ever! Keep up the good work, Muffin. To quote Tupac “I ain’t mad at ya.” You can’t help it. You’re just not… well, much of anything.

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

“Thank you for illustrating that “exceptional” is the opposite of “average” and proving me correct.” -Buy Dhimmi

…and I thought the point was that “average” was a synonym of “mainstream” and “typical”.

But you are correct. “exceptional” is an antonym of “average”.

(To the others: It’s good to sometimes reward the mentally challenged with positive encouragement when they speak nonsense. It boots their self esteem.)

By The Watcher

June 19, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Can BD really be that slow….?

“”Communism is not in the maintream in this country”“”

She completely missed the point and went right on past it.

Rushncap, you might as well try to explain string theory to a fence post.

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

I know, Watcher, I know. I’m close to giving up here. And yes, I do think she is this slow. It’s unfortunate.

By AmVet

June 19, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Funny Morons, I can imagine that 0.45% of Americans favor the current situation in Iraq!

And not surprisingly, given the exacting attention to detail, the other number is also bogus and off by nearly 20%.

Source Date Approval Rating

Gallup 6/11-14/07 32

NBC/WSJ 6/8-11/07 29

Quinnipiac RV 6/5-11/07 28
LA Times/Bloomberg 6/7-10/07 34

FOX/Opinion Dynamics RV 6/5-6/07 34

AP-Ipsos 6/4-6/07 32

USA Today/Gallup 6/1-3/07 32
Pew 5/30 - 6/3/07 29

Reality - 31.25% Quoted - 38%

Any takers on it being in the low to mid twenties by the end of the year?

By LuckoDull

June 19, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

{{{By SOURCE PLEASE June 19, 2007 3:05 PM OR IT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED BULL DOOKEY}}}}

Well, well, did I get one by the Censor that’s not pinko approved?

{{{CNN/Opinion Research Corp. 6/07 Bush approval 38%.}}}

Stick it, Coward.

Look at this, wanker:

{{{Congressional Job Approval Approve 25.5%}}}

Bush is stomping your guts out, I’d too would be sullen and angry, if I were you.

It must really, really suck.

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By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

LuckoDullard - did it ever occur to you the the low numbers for Congress also include the Republican half?

Their obstructionist ways have just as much to do with low poll numbers as the spineless acts by the Democrats.

By LMAO

June 19, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

Thats funny, the latest Wall St Journal poll has Bush’s approval rating at 31%, Gallup has him at 32%. Some of the lowest numbers for any President.

Americans are even more displeased with his handling of Iraq, 26% percent approval.

By Funny morons®

June 19, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

Buy Dhimmi seems to be having a tough day here. Maybe she should reach over and nudge her Siamese twin RW for some help.

I’d love to stay and watch the fun but I’m off to the pool for some tennis and golf.

By SOURCE PLEASE

June 19, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Actually, Luckodull it doesn’t suck at all.

In reality (a place far, far, away from your world), it’s great to be a liberal. It’s fabulous to be a progressive. And being a moderate gets better every day!

Sing joyfully of 2008!

Sing of the day of our release -1/20/09!

(Unless of course we can get the slugs in congress to go ahead and impeach the goober sooner!)

By LMAO

June 19, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

25 percent approval for Congress?

I figured it would be lower. From the Republicans blocking legislation and the Dems suddenly abandoning promises such as ethics and earmarks, it should be.

Should we still get rid of the filibuster and other vote blocking procedures?

By LuckoDull

June 19, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

{{{By morons® June 19, 2007 3:38 PM LuckoDullard - did it ever occur to you the the low numbers for Congress also include the Republican half?}}}

Oh, so the Cowards have the majority but it’s still the Republicans fault, I got it.

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{{{By LickMAO June 19, 2007 3:38 PM Thats funny, the latest Wall St Journal poll has Bush’s approval rating at 31%}}}

Your disputing CNN’s numbers?

Really?

Don’t you reckon that all of the goonies that sit around all day watching that anti American crap are fascinated by the way Bush kicked Reid and Pelosi in their behinds, and are starting to like him?

It’s very possible.

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By LMAO

June 19, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

Lets all pretend Bush’s approval is at say 39%

ITS STILL HORRIBLE

By AmVet

June 19, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

The Communist News Network reports that W is at 38% approval? Thank God you could cherry pick ONE source with not SO ridiculously low of a number, huh? And lucky for you that it’s one of your favorite news sources to boot.

But it still doesn’t change the REALITY that his overall approval rating is about 31%.

And since you’re such a numbers guy, I’ll share a little comparative analysis with you. Here’s Clinton’s approval rating at about the same time in his presidency.

7/24-26/99 63%

Only double the number of Americans thought he was doing a good job. Even Tricky Dick’s approval rating was higher! But who cares anyway. Other than the last remaining pigheaded neo-cons the 31% is certainly much lower for arguably the worst President in American history. By the end of his term it may well be in the single digits. Just give it time.

By Daniel

June 19, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

Bush is a disgrace. He told the Queen of England. “I’m the commander guy!”. Remember: Mission Accompished”, “Bring ‘em on”. “I’m a uniter not a divider”, In Poland he said: “We found the WMD’s”, on the Katrina disaster he offered: “Heckuva job, Brownie” and finally on immigration: “”I’ll see you at the bill signing”? Americans want to love and respect their president. This man attracts brown-nosers and sychophants. The worst president in American history.

By IN THE NEWS

June 19, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON — A former Justice Department political appointee blocked career lawyers from filing at least three lawsuits charging local and county governments with violating the voting rights of African-Americans and other minorities, seven former senior department employees charged Monday.

By steve-o

June 19, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

Wait, wait, wait. Let me get this straight…….what you’re telling us is that Bush sucks?

By steve-o

June 19, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

Yup….he’s pretty damn bad.

By steve-o

June 19, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

BEST BUMPER STICKER IN THE PAST SEVEN YEARS:

{{{George W Bush is a punkass chump.}}}

By LMAO

June 19, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Why the silence on the filibuster and other procedural methods used to prevent an up or down vote all of the sudden? The usual suspects on the far right were clamouring for its end just last year. Remember Andy, Buy Danish, @@ and others, come on fess up.

You still want to make the Senate majority only? The conservative blogs were full of such nonsense last year.

I sure don’t.

By AmVet

June 19, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

It is always amazing to me how these Bush loyalists try to spin or deflect so many disasters, failures and pathetic approval ratings into something good.

I do not pity them but I think I can understand their deep-grained denial of reality.

Think if you were in the political party that had been outgunned and outmanned for 40 years? That’s four very long decades of being on the outside looking in.

And then you finally get your day in the sun and you gain control of the White House and Congress! But soon you completely botch your chance with unparalleled corruption, outrageous spending, absolutely hammering the middle class, fear-mongering, cowboy “diplomacy” and mismanagement and the worst statesmanship not seen since the Hoover administration. And after only a few short years it’s gone again. And the prospects for getting it back seem to be slipping farther and farther away every week.

God, I love this country!

By RW-(the original)

June 19, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

LMAO,

If you apply rushncap’s “logic” about standing out from the crowd making one a visionary then the numbers you just provided show that Bush is a great President and Clinton was just a typical, average, mainstream moonbat(ic)®.

/Sorry I can’t stay…enjoy the rest of your employers workday everyone.

By RW-(the original)

June 19, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

LMAO,

I still say exactly the same thing about the filibuster that I said then. It should be ended for confirmation votes and remain in effect for legislative business. I wouldn’t even have a problem if they restored the original 2/3 to gain cloture for legislation.

By steve-o

June 19, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

BEST BUMPER STICKER IN THE PAST SEVEN YEARS:

{{{George W Bush is a punkass chump.}}}

By The Watcher

June 19, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Nope this is the best bumper sticker

By ramal

June 19, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

If heterosexual marriage is in such a precarious state that it can be damaged by 3% of the general population wanting to marry one of their own gender then it really is not worth preserving. Those rabidly opposed to Gay marriage need to get something approaching a life. As H.L. Mencken put it, “A puritan is someone who fears that somewhere, somebody may be happy.”

By LuckoDull

June 19, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

{{{By AmVet June 19, 2007 4:21 PM It is always amazing to me how these Bush loyalists try to spin or deflect so many disasters, failures and pathetic approval ratings into something good.}}}

What “disasters?”

The economy is booming, the country is being totally rebuilt from the Clinton era shambles, everyone is driving a brand new automobile, living in a brand new house, democracy and freedom are being birthed in the Middle East.

Did you ever think that all of the complaining and all of the whining is coming from a bunch of resentful, sniveling Coward goons that are bitter about America kicking their lame, no account as-ses out of the White House?

Just look at al-Gore, tell that he’s normal.

I’m still patiently waiting for the FIRST false charge you insolent losers made against Bush to come to fruition, what, maybe ten or fifteen years from now you’ll find some evidence to prove that he’s “evil and corrupt.”

No, slobbering toadies, the blame lies with you, bitter enders sitting around whining all day over your stupid political misfortunes.

And dragging a great country and a great president into the gutter over your mental retardation.

Sickos.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By AmVet

June 19, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

steve-o, it is my considered opinion that George W. Bush is an abject failure, yes.

For numerous reasons. In the distressing hours following 9/11 one of the early thoughts to hit me was, NO, NOT NOW! NOT with THIS man in the White House!!

And I have always thought that thank God they didn’t kill him too, that awful day. As you can tell, I have always felt he was a horrible choice for US President, but it would have been a thousand times worse for this nation had he been killed then.

And at first he truly surprised me. The American people rallied around him and that was a beautiful thing. Who didn’t cry when he spoke to the nation that night. And his leadership in those ensuing days was admirable.

And then he sent us to Afghanistan to kick some serious Taliban butt. And that was also a beautiful thing.

But unfortunately, the reality of George W. Bush set in and the events leading up to the invasion and occupation of Iraq and all that has ensued, speak for themselves. Sadly they speak for themselves.

By Mrs. Godzilla

June 19, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Am Vet…

Very well put.

Remember when he appeared in the stadium to throw the first ball out?

We were ALL proud. We all had tears in our eyes.

He squandered all that good will to get his hands on oil.

Why wait for 2008!

Impeachment.

Indictment.

Incarceration.

By steve-o

June 19, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

AmVet,

And yet 30% still stay hopeful…unfreakingbelievable. Worst president ever.

By AmVet

June 19, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Americans want to love and respect their president.

Well said, Daniel. And I’m an old enough codger to remember how this nation felt about John Kennedy.

He represented the best in us. He wasn’t perfect. But he was damn sure good enough.

And among his numerous famous quotes, one of my favorites is “Ask not what your country can do for you, Ask what can you do for your country”. The best kind of liberalism possible.

Contrast that with the Reagan mantra of the young Republicans in the 80’s which was essentially, “Screw everybody else, I’ve got mine”. The birth of neo-conservatism.

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

I give up. I have tried three times now to post a response to a dullard called rushncap to no avail.

Last attemtp:

rushncap,

I find it most amusing that you think of yourself as being a free and independent thinker.

I can’t think of a single position that you hold on the issues that is not firmly in lockstep with leftist academia, with the sole exception of your quasi-support of Israel which is contrary to the usual Pro-Palestinian position that the Left has shamefully secured.

I also am compelled to ask him when it was that you so bravely stood against the “mainstream” of Communism. I calculate he would have been quite young indeed in those days.

Unfunny Moron,

Do you have a clue what the word “Dhimmi” or “Dhimmitude” means? I think not.

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

attempt.

By AmVet

June 19, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, squandered is the exact word. I think historians will write about this for many years to come.

It is inexplicable how he took the opportunity of a lifetime, the opportunity to take an angered American nation that was willing to do what we seldom do - truly join together to protect our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor. And he p** it away in a few weeks. Sometimes what he has done since, still seems like a bad dream.

By Battle Of the Political Stars

June 19, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

Left Wing Academia (smart guys)

versus

Right Wing Military/Industrial Complex

(greedy killers)

By LuckoDull

June 19, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

{{{By AmVet June 19, 2007 4:47 PM And among his numerous famous quotes, one of my favorites is “Ask not what your country can do for you, Ask what can you do for your country”. The best kind of liberalism possible.}}}

Dude, maybe you should sit down and breathe into a bag.

That quote is the exact opposite of liberalism.

Geez.

It says a lot that you Cowards have to co opt Conservative ideas and make them your own.

If it helps you not feel like such a freak.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By AmVet

June 19, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

One of my other favorite JFK quotes:

If by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.” [September 14, 1960]

And one of mine:

I do not pity them but I think I can understand their deep-grained denial of reality.

By LuckoDull

June 19, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

{{{By AmVet June 19, 2007 4:59 PM It is inexplicable how he took the opportunity of a lifetime, the opportunity to take an angered American nation that was willing to do what we seldom do - truly join together to protect our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor. And he p** it away in a few weeks. Sometimes what he has done since, still seems like a bad dream.}}}

You Cowards never gave Bush a chance:

{{{After all, the Q-word has been popping up with increasing frequency as the war in Afghanistan drags on without any bankable signs of progress. Webster’s Collegiate dictionary defines a quagmire as “soft miry land that shakes or yields under the foot” and as “a difficult, precarious, or entrapping position.” It has been part of the U.S. political lexicon ever since it seemed an apt description of the U.S. experience in Vietnam. In the last week Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has had to devote a considerable amount of his time to explaining why it’s a misnomer for the current situation in Afghanistan. He was responding to the steady rumble from the media, politicians, Afghanistan experts and even some U.S. allies that the operation has the hallmarks of a classic military-political quagmire — unclear goals, no visible victory post and no convincing exit strategy.- Time Magazine in partnership with CNN, October 31st, 2001.}}}

You stupid POS.

You filthy disgusting Coward anti Americans have wrought nothing but damage on this country.

And Bush has done a Herculean job overcoming the treason and traitorous back stabbing.

Just like Reagan, they historians will get it right.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Daniel

June 19, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

AmVewt: Way to go!

By LuckoDull

June 19, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

So which one is it?:

{{{If by a “Liberal” they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a “Liberal,” then I’m proud to say I’m a “Liberal.” [September 14, 1960]}}}

{{{“Ask not what your country can do for you, Ask what can you do for your country”. The best kind of liberalism possible.}}}

You can’t have them both.

Even the simplest idiot can understand this concept, oh wait, am”vet” doesn’t understand.

Coward.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Paul

June 19, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

I was scanning this while listening to a guest on an NPR show - guest (Democratic strategist) was discussing how the Democratic Party has adapted some of the tactics of the Republican Party (not always in a good way). A question came up about media outlets - the strategist said they really couldn’t crack radio as a medium for discussion of issues. However, he noted Democrats have pulled way ahead of Republicans in their presence and influence on the ‘Net. He opined Democrats/Liberals (he never said “Progressive”) were more comfortable with “the anarchy of the Internet, where every opinion has validity. This wasn’t possible on radio, where knowledgeable guests or hosts were often present.”

Interesting comment on adaptability of political views to different mediums.

By getalife

June 19, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

Ladies and gentlemen, the Presidents of the United States of America

By N-GA

June 19, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

“…everyone is driving a brand new automobile…” while Daimler is dumping Chrysler, Toyota passes Ford, Ford lays off workers and closes plants, yada, yada

“…Clinton era shambles…” of budget surplusses and paying down the national debt?

“…living in a brand new house…” while foreclosure rates have reached historic highs?

“…democracy and freedom being birthed in the middle east…and I thought Luckodull opposed abortion!

By AmVet

June 19, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

Have to run, business calls.

Daniel, I’d tell you to try and talk some sense into this guy, but it is obviously hopeless. And really that is probably not a bad thing as it is my experience that there is none so blind as those who choose not to open their eyes.

Even moderately right-wing Republicans are leaving the neo-con camp in droves and only these irrational few seem to remain.

Later, guys!

By steve-o

June 19, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

LuckoDork,

You just called a veteran of the armed services of our country a “coward”. What the hell have you done?

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

I love “listening” to people like Mrs. Godzilla and AmVet who are waxing nostalgic over the good old days of the Bush Presidency.

This is particulary laughable:

{{{It is inexplicable how he took the opportunity of a lifetime, the opportunity to take an angered American nation that was willing to do what we seldom do - truly join together to protect our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor. And he p** it away in a few weeks. Sometimes what he has done since, still seems like a bad dream.}}}

AmVet,

Americans “seldom” join together to protect our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor”?

Other than Iraq and Vietnam, how do you define “seldom”?

What do you mean when you say that Bush “p** it away in a few weeks.”?

What specifically are you referring to here?

And if you all are so intent on harnessing the anger of 9/11, why do you do everything in your power to appease the Islamists who attacked us, and enable those whose job it is as jihadists to dream up other attacks in the future?

Isn’t that the ultimate “bad dream”?

By steve-o

June 19, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

{{{By LuckoDull

June 19, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

You Cowards never gave Bush a chance…

You stupid POS.

You filthy disgusting Coward anti Americans have wrought nothing but damage on this country.

And Bush has done a Herculean job overcoming the treason and traitorous back stabbing.

Just like Reagan, they historians will get it right.}}}

MY GOD, CHO SEUNG HUI IS STILL ALIVE!!!!

By Paul

June 19, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

N-GA

Kinda makes you wonder about the size of the ego of anyone who’d want to be President, doesn’t it?

steve-o 5:26 [[What the hell have you done?]]

Followed Sen Reid’s lead? :)

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

Stevie,

You are doing a great job of proving Ann Coulter right when she asserts that Liberals hide behind their service in the war and indignantly claim that they are immune from criticism because they served in the military.

How to be a veteran and a coward:

During a meeting in Kansas City, Missouri in mid November 1971, Scott Camil, a radical leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War proposed the assassination of the most conservative members of Congress, as well as any other powerful opponents of the antiwar movement./According to interviews with VVAW members who were present at the Kansas City meeting, Camil suggested something he called “The Phoenix Project,” named after the original Phoenix Program operations during the Vietnam War used to assassinate the Viet Cong. Mr. Camil’s Phoenix Project plan was to execute the Southern senatorial leadership that was backing the war including John Tower, Strom Thurmond, and John Stennis. In Camil’s words, “I was serious. I felt that I spent two years killing women and children in their own f*** homes. These are the guys that f*** made the policy, and these were the guys that were responsible for it, and these were the guys that were voting to continue the f*** war when the public was against it. I felt that if we really believed in what we were doing, and if we were willing to put our lives on the line for the country over there, we should be willing to put our lives on the line for the country over here.” [1] The assassinations were to be executed during the Senate Christmas recess

By Dusty

June 19, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

Well,

I just came in and I see the anti-American storm troopers have spent their day vilifying America. You liberals must slink away from your computers at night and dream of over throwing America. Overthrowing it because you rather be a communist/socialist/athiest/anything rather than support the elected president of the United States. Your loyalty to this country cannot be measured because it isn’t there.

You lost and whined about two presidential elections so you want to take it out on the country. You’d rather have terrorists over run the USA than support our government’s efforts to fight them. You’d rather lose a war than fight for your country. You are the biggest crybaby subversives ever hatched out in America. I have no use for you—you with your silly name calling, imposters, salacious comments, spineless spiels and total lack of patriotism.

I’d stick around a little longer and describe your pitiful state and your detriment to the USA but I can’t stay.

Yes, liberals, you are a disgrace to this country and there is no way to disguise it.

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

Cowardly veterans, continued…

This is quite the understatement in fact -

Some declassified documents allege that VVAW leadership was actively coordinating with members of the North Vietnamese Peace delegation toward the common cause of ending US participation in the war and changing US policy in Southeast Asia (ED. - like John Kerry). Some leaders in the VVAW organization were alleged by informants to the FBI to have cultivated ties with the North Vietnamese representatives, forming collaborative efforts to oppose US policy in Southeast Asia.

By LuckoDull

June 19, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

I’ll bet you sniveling Cowards really do see the Bush presidency as a “disaster.”

I can just imagine the grief you feel when you think of Saddam Hussein being out of power; how he no longer feeds 100,000 of his citizens into wood chippers every year, how he no longer gouges their eyes out or rapes them in front of their children. It must be terrible for you, this loss.

And to see all the renovations in America that Bush has brought to us; brand new town homes where there once stood slums full of government dependents stoned out of their minds at 9 o’clock in the morning, you know, Clinton voters. It must really rend your hearts thinking of them moving up, getting jobs and mortgages and cars.

And the real terror that this horrible world had wrought upon you tender little tax gobbling pinko slobs, where are all those Chinese democrat party political donors sleeping at night, now that America’s treasures like the Lincoln Bedroom are off limits and integrity has been restored to the people’s house? Out in the cold and, the horror, they haven’t stolen any more Nuclear Secrets in over six years, what must we do, we can’t let this go on!

You stupid little goonies, pis-s off.

Whiney littler no account bitc-hes.

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By Midori

June 19, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

How to be a veteran and a coward: simple.

Just be a veteran who voices opposition to Bush’s destructive policies.

And point out that Ann Coulter is a vicious, dried up lying psycopath.

And that anyone who quotes or listens to her is pitifully ignorant and dangerous to our democracy.

plain and simple.

By Paul

June 19, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish

Too bad N-GA signed off - your 5:35 makes an interesting point for not reinstating the draft - as many Democrats want.

I’ve never quite understood how people who are so “liberal” in their view (not referring to N-GA - just a general observation) of letting people do what they want can, in areas such as this, be so rigid in controlling how people should spend years of their lives.

By getalife

June 19, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

Cowards are the ones who can’t admit w is a failure.

Cowards are the ones who never admit mistakes to learn from them.

Cowards run their ignorant war monger mouths but never sacrifice anything.

Cowards call other patriotic Americans cowards when they are the cowards.

By Daniel

June 19, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

steve-o: You got it. While we have worked and served our country the right-wing has been in front of their computer. Komputer Kommandoes of the Kangaroo Korps. Dusty served in the audience of “Saving Private Ryan”.

By Midori

June 19, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

{{{{I can just imagine the grief you feel when you think of Saddam Hussein being out of power; how he no longer feeds 100,000 of his citizens into wood chippers every year, how he no longer gouges their eyes out or rapes them in front of their children. It must be terrible for you, this loss.}}}}}

and does it give you a hard on because Americans are doing that now, instead of Saddam?

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

June 19, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

Luck wrote: “Just like Reagan, they historians will get it right.”

Man, that is beautiful. I’ve read few sentences that make more sense than that right there. Are you the Great Leader’s speech writer? Just kidding. Obviously you are much more profound.

I haven’t been this moved since our Great Leader explained how lawsuits were preventing gynocologists from “practicing their love on their patients.”

Keep up the good work Luck!!!

It is the beauty and wisdom of your prose that the cowards fear most.

RWNJIFG

By Markus

June 19, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

I am a unveteran and a coward.

I scream for war

I hide

I call others coward

I hide

I ask others to fight

I hide

I call myself a Republican

I hide

By getalife

June 19, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

“Bob Geiger: Audience Member: “In 2006, when you were still a member of the House of Representatives you voted for the Military Commissions Act, which had as one of its elements, the suspension of Habeas Corpus. Given your recent efforts to restore Habeas Corpus, would you still cast that same vote today.”

Brown: “No, I was wrong.”

Period.

Now that wasn’t so hard, was it?”

Sherrod Brown is not a coward like Andy, BD and the other wingnuts who will never admit a mistake.

They are the cowards.

By N-GA

June 19, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

Hello, Paul…I haven’t spent much time here of late. I find it somewhat pointless trying to…well, you know. Not much fertile ground. It has been much more satisfying talking to neighbors and acquaintances.

I am gratified at their sudden realization that they have been had by an imposter (or amateur). They are gratified by their realization that I am genuinely not a Democrat (or a partisan in any sense). Bloomberg/Obama?

Then we sit and talk about what’s wrong with our country, and what we think needs to happen to get back on track. Two things we agree on: 1) We need dramatic CHANGE, and 2) it will take a very long time to re-establish the position of trust we once had in the world.

Oh, one other point of agreement - we need a leader who has integrity, and whose only agenda is the welfare of mankind (I started to say “the American people”).

Opened 2 bottles of Rubicon on Father’s Day. The first was a 1989. The only way to describe it was “amazing”. Followed that with a 1999. It was terrific, but will benefit from a few more years in the cellar.

later….

By Midori

June 19, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

{{{You just called a veteran of the armed services of our country a “coward”. What the hell have you done?}}}}

easy, Steve-o: he just gulps the kool aid on a daily basis, which gives him the power to cut and paste complete crap in his role as “blog warrior”.

Or General Zod.

I’m not sure which.

However, every time he looks in the mirror he sees the cowardly little turd that he is, and he just can’t deal with the truth.

therefore, he has to project his cowardice on everyone else.

that, and downing a crate of vodka, enables him to sleep at night.

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Ann Coulter is a liar? Name ONE “lie”.

Take your time, Parrot. I’ll give you ‘til Friday to back up your charges.

{{{Cowards call other patriotic Americans cowards when they are the cowards.}}}

Getaclue,

You mean like those comrades of yours (and you yourself) who love to use the Chickenhawk argument?

How about those of you who refuse to recognize Andy’s military service, or the service of Dusty’s family?

Huh?

Getalife,

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

How dare you question Midori’s Patriotism!

{{{By Midori

June 19, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

“I can just imagine the grief you feel when you think of Saddam Hussein being out of power; how he no longer feeds 100,000 of his citizens into wood chippers every year, how he no longer gouges their eyes out or rapes them in front of their children. It must be terrible for you, this loss.”

and does it give you a hard on because Americans are doing that now, instead of Saddam?}}}

By Daniel

June 19, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

Midori: Wasn’t Coulter the one who said we should atttack France? She wanted to go to war with France!! Perhaps, Danish would sign up. Danish served in the 82nd Blowhard Brigade of 1st Delusional Division. She has the experience.

By Paul

June 19, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

N-GA

Amen to that. Your paragraph 3 - in between “discuss what’s wrong” and “what to do” you forgot “who to blame.” That gets so tiring - all it really does is illustrate how well-intentioned people can either screw up or get hit with those horrific “unknowns.”

Your paragraph 4 is a great discussion point - especially when dealing with leaders/countries who don’t put anything above their personal self interest? Africa?

I also had an enjoyable, yet not so elegant, Father’s day - didn’t get his WWII display finished (have to special order some medals the Navy didn’t have).

Amazing - some people cross the Rubicon, others drink it.

Later!

By N-GA

June 19, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I went back and read Bi-Danish’s 5:35 post. I have 2 comments.

While I certainly don’t agree with Camil’s proposal, I also don’t thin Danish can support here statement: “How to be a veteran and a coward.” His statement may paint him as stupid and an anarchist, but not a coward.

My second comment is I wish you would expand on how you think the quote she cited (very dated, BTW) reflects on the Draft - please don’t sterotype.

By steve-o

June 19, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I am calling out LuckoDork’s blatant hypocrisy regarding his labeling of AmVet as a coward, not defending a lunatic wanting to assasinate politicians. A little bit of a stretch, eh?????

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

DanielDhimmi,

Do you realize that Ann Coulter is a satirist?

Do you understand the difference between a satirist and an elected official?

Maybe you can figure that out by Friday. Try to beat Midori at her research assignment!

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

June 19, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

You people need to understand that WE are the arbiters of what it means to be a coward. You cowards are in no position to make such judgments. We are. If we say you are a coward, appeaser, commie, liberal, pinko who emboldens the enemy and weakens the nation, then that is simply the final word. You people are going to push us to our Final Solution on liberals. We have tried for many years to get you libs to be real Americans, but you keep resisting. You are more dangerous than terrorists because you are the enemy from within. If you had your way, Hillary would be President. Do you think that we are going to sit back and let that happen? No way. No how. And if you keep pushing your luck we will have no choice but to open the “re-education camps.” They are death camps really but the name is better. Kinda like “Patriot Act” you know.

But the point is that all of you pro-Bin Laden, anti-Bushies are going to pay for your disloyalty to freedom and America. So you better shut up before we shut you up, permanently.

If you think I’m exagerrating, get one of my friends on the right side of things to say that any of you are good for America. That any of you are decent citizens with simply a competing point of view. That any of your opinions are valuable. That your existence is anything but a drag on the nation. They won’t because you are not seen as Americans. Heck, you aren’t even human f-ing beings to us. You are just liberals to us. Liberal to us is what the Jews were to Hitler. What the native savages were to Custer. What blacks were to slave traders. You are nothing. You are in fact the enemy of the state. And you better recognize it before its too late.

RWNJIFG

By LuckoDull

June 19, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

{{{By getalife June 19, 2007 5:47 PM Cowards run their ignorant war monger mouths but never sacrifice anything.}}}

Yes, al-Gitmo, but we are following the great example that you brave democrat “warriors” set for us in Vietnam; pick a fight with a country, get 58,000 men killed and then use your majority in Congress to surrender after we have thoroughly defeated the enemy.

Except that we haven’t killed the 58,000 or surrendered yet.

No wonder you POS are all upset with us.

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By N-GA

June 19, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

Paul…have to sign off. WAYYYY too much lightning for my comfort zone.

Did you ever read “The Messiah of Morris Avenue”?

By steve-o

June 19, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Here is a mighty fine example of one of Ann Coulter’s lies, which also shows another case of a chickenhawk being hypocritical and calling a veteran a “coward”.

SAYING CLELAND WAS “LUCKY” TO HAVE LIMBS BLOWN OFF: Coulter said, “Luckily for Cleland�he happened to [lose his limbs] while in Vietnam” and said that had he been injured “at Fort Dix rather than in Vietnam, he would never have been a U.S. Senator.” Of course, Cleland probably would not have been dealing with live grenades and enemy fire in the save haven of Ft. Dix. But, then, many top conservatives might not know this because they do not have firsthand knowledge of a combat zone.

By Daniel

June 19, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

Danish: Tell us how calling for a war with France is satire! “Satire” is defined as: “A literary work holding up human vices to scorn”. “A LITERARY WORK”, “HUMAN VICES”, “SCORN”. Coulter gets paid for her stupidity. It’s time for your nap.

By Bryan

June 19, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

Another fabulous, successful, proud day for America in Iraq! What will you bring to us tomorrow, drunken Bushie?

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

Stevie,

Gawd. Is that what you call research? You just linked to a left wing blog which took one sentence of Ann Coulter’s comments out of context and added their own commentary to them.

Why don’t you find exactly what she said and get back to me?

By getalife

June 19, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

The funny part of Rush and Mann being satirists is that millions take them seriously like the real cowards, Bi coward and Dull coward.

Rush and Mann are not funny.

By Paul

June 19, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

N-GA

I stripped off anything from the Buy Danish’s post except the impression of the intense, destructive radicalism produced by the merging of forcing young people into military service (primarily infantry - I don’t believe AF, Navy or Marines took draftees) with an horrific, unpopular war. That in turn led to a lot of bitterness that hindered reconciliation and progress. That was all.

I suppose one can be “liberal” in some areas and not in others (as in compelling certain action). Just as one can be “conservative” in believing the gov’t should generally let people choose their own way in life. Just musing on the loose way some use labels -

BTW - many of our 19th century immigrants came to this country to avoid compulsory service in the Kaiser’s army. I suppose you’ve gathered I’m much more inclined to reduce our military, not expand it. Still not enough to get me to vote for Kucinic, Gravel or Ron Paul, though!

By Daniel

June 19, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

I’m outta here. Time to “Down the Rubicon”! Ta-Ta.

By getalife

June 19, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

Dull coward,

Cowards did not learn the lessson of Vietnam and repeated it in Iraq.

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

DanielDimWit,

Satire: trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly

I hope that “trenchant” isn’t too big a word for you, Danny Boy.

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Who is “Mann”?

Stevie,

You called out LuckoDull for daring to call AmVet a “coward” because he is a “veteran”.

There is no other interpretation of that remark, and my subsequent posts just illustrate further how stupid your initial statement was.

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

I gather that Stevie is still bumbling around, trying to find out what Ann Coulter really said about Max Cleland.

Here is the original column in it’s entirety.

By getalife

June 19, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

The thing you call Ann.

Stop with the coward crap.

We all know who the real cowards are.

By LMAO

June 19, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

Looks like Bloomberg is setting himself up for a run at the presidency.

As an Independent!

He just said bye-bye to the Republican Party.

By Sammy

June 19, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

Luckodork, Danish, restroom-mopper Dusty, et al: EVERY day a new day filled with the same culpable stench of never-ending ignorance, hatred, bitterness, jealousy. Khrist, what a way to “live.” They should be rounded up before they can bring this country any lower than it already is. The “wear” that these pansy never-serveds adore was lost long before the first pitiful shot was fired. It is only these few scumbags within the entire world who are too inferior to grasp that. This blog and others like it make up their ENTIRE lives, and it shows thru beautifully. Trypical Repugs.

By @@

June 19, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

rushncap:

I was in a hurry this morning. I really would like to ignore you but sometimes you just beg for attention.

(((I keep wanting to give you the benefit of a doubt because you seem so nice, but you really are the type of person who would twist a knife in someone’s back smiling kindly all the while. I’m honestly starting to think that you’re the worst person on this board because you’re so manipulative.)))

You’re only STARTING to think? What have you been doing on this board for the past two years?

Maybe you’re not as intelligent as you claim to be. Maybe you’re slow. Maybe I’m not the person you think I am or the person you think I was. Maybe you can tell me why I should be concerned with what you think. Maybe “YOU” should be concerned with why “YOU” even care what kind of person I am.

(((Oh wow, @@ knows all about Oregon by watching a documentary. I think I watched a documentary about you too. It’s called “Swarms”.)))

No, rushncap; I know about Oregon because I have good friends who live there. I visit them in spite of the fact that they’re very liberal.

(((I guess old b!tches don’t die, they just relocate to GEORGIA.)))

Could you ^^^ be any more childish and immature? You behave like a little boy with a tiny toy…

ml’s blog.

By Paul

June 19, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish

Well, since you don’t seem to have many takers, let me restate my earlier wonder at the cartoon that’s still up for today. You’ve been trying to point out irony, humor, satire, etc to some here. Could that possibly explain why I, too, had zero responses from an observation yesterday that in Massachusetts, that bluest of blue states, the people of the state gathered more than enough signatures for a referendum on the issue of gay marriage, their legislature passed a bill providing for a vote (I believe I have the particulars of the Massachusetts system reasonably accurate) and the Democratic governor - vetoed the bill! No election in Massachusetts to find out the will of the people on this issue!

I guess the implications of that example are so mind-boggling it just leaves some absolutely numb.

By LuckoDull

June 19, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

{{{By getalife June 19, 2007 6:24 PM Cowards did not learn the lessson of Vietnam and repeated it in Iraq.}}}

You starting to get a good buzz on, al-Gitmo?

After you Cowards surrendered Vietnam, 3,000,000 innocent people were slaughtered, millions more enslaved, the oppression continues today, so you are right, we will not make the same mistakes you sissies made in Vietnam.

No doubt about that.

And you know what is so good about it? Historians will look back and say Bush, and a handful of wingnuts, had the courage to change the status quo in the Middle East, saving millions of lives and freeing millions more from religious slavery. And the democrats fought him tooth and nail the entire time.

There will be whole chapters written about your spinelessness, people will forget all about Neville Chamberlin.

Sad.

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By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

LMAO,

Bloomberg is going to hurt your side far more than ours. I haven’t a clue why he calls himself a “Republican” except that it helped get him elected after 9/11.

He will appeal to Democrats who are not enamored with the Michael Moore/George Soros wing of the Party.

Getalife,

Oh, yeah, I remember now. You all snidely accuse her of being a lesbian out of one side of your mouth and pretend to be for gay rights out of the other.

By Paul

June 19, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

LMAO

Would Bloomberg provide anything “new” or “different” to the race, in the manner of a Perot or a Nader? Else, what voters would he attract?

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

@@, unlike you, I can change my opinions as more data becomes available. For example, I used to think li’l andy was the worst person on this board. As more data became available, I realized that he is not. He’s just a mentally ill boy, and I don’t dislike him, I simply pity him. You, however, went in the opposite direction over the past few months. I started out thinking that you’re the most reasonable conservative on here. As I gathered more data (i.e. your posts) that conclusion became less and less tenable, and I’ve had to reassess my deductions. It’s quite simple. I have come to realize just how atrocious a person you actually are. It took a while because, I gotta admit, you are much better at hiding your intellectual and emotional ugliness than most of your compadres here. So yes, it took a while. And yes, I now think you’re the worst person on here, not because you’re worse than people like Muffin or RW, but because you’re smart enough to be stealthy about it. You’re impressively conniving. You sh!t on people, but you do it with a smile, so if they’re not paying very close attention, they think you’re a good nice old lady, like I used to. So there you have it.

Oh, and if you think what I said is “childish and immature”, then read the post I replied to. I’m glad I was able to show you how childish and immature you actually are. You’re welcome.

And as for toys, I don’t think your wrinkly old toys should worry too much. They’re all broken anyways…

By getalife

June 19, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Hell Paul,

The people said no to the Iraq occupation and “shamnesty” yet w date raped the people.

Geez.

By Political Foreskin

June 19, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Just saw that video of MC Rove dancing…..restless leg syndrome is not pretty……

They argue about who’s the greatest president, or who was the worst president, but how about the worst scoundrels? Rove, Cheney, Wolfowitz gotta be in everyone’s top 3

Amnesty opposition is the last refuge of a scoundrel!!!

Amnesty is all talk radio mentions anymore. Iraq has disappeared except for the bromide about “we want a positive outcome for the US”.

If the American people get distracted by the words, “no amnesty”, and forget to vote left in ‘08, then they deserve the quagmire they’re stuck in.

Hopefully, the only ones listening to Rush/Hannity are the inbred half monkey pickup truck drivers who populate what’s left of the right.

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Surely you’re not shocked by that. Liberals are not interested in debate, or the will of the people. That’s why they use the courts to intervene on their behalf.

Massachusets is also one of the worst offenders when it comes to peddling the most disgusting gay pornography to students in the name of “sex education”.

Fistgate.

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Muffin — just because you can’t think of something does not mean it does not exist. Your inability to think is well documented. I’d be impressed if you could think of a number higher than 8, to be honest. I hold positions based on my opinions and understanding. Then I look at the party which comes closest. Obviously the Republican party has absolutely nothing positive to offer this country. Since we have a 2 party system, the process of elimination leaves the Democrats. It’s that easy.

As for when I took a stance against Communism, for once you are right. I was young indeed. I’m still surprised when I look back at it how I could do what I did as a little kid.

By Paul

June 19, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

getalife 6:58

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I didn’t quite follow that -

By Gonna Love 08

June 19, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

Luckodull,

You are great at writing fiction. I disagree that history will be applauding Bush, he has shown he doesnt care about democracy in the Middle east. Go ask Hamaas, i dont agree with them but they were elected by their people. Much like the people of Nicaragua who elected their leaders in the early 80’s only to have the Reagan admin decide they were good enough and helped the rebels overthrow the government and leading to the deaths of over 300,000 innocent Nicaraguans….As much as you like to bash the Dems, the GOP has done far more worse on their best days..

By Paul

June 19, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish 7:01

Excuse me if I don’t follow that link - I gather from your post it’s not something I’d care to see.

But your post illustrates something else - a couple weeks ago there was a bit of discussion over Boulder HS mandating an assembly wherein students were encouraged to use drugs and experiment with sex.

A few days ago the topic was the sentence of Genarlow (sp) Wilson for engaging in sexual activity with another minor.

Too bad he didn’t live in Colorado - his defense could have been he was just doing what school authorities encouraged him to do!

By Gregg

June 19, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

No, Coulter is NOT a satirist. She is a sicko, just like the rest of you cowardly warriors.

By Buy Danish

June 19, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this

{{{As for when I took a stance against Communism, for once you are right. I was young indeed. I’m still surprised when I look back at it how I could do what I did as a little kid.}}}

rushncap,

Yeah, you were quite the brave and “exceptional” child weren’t you. You went against your parents wishes I gather? What did you do? Raise a lollipop in protest?

You still have not told me what views separate you out from your fellow academics. Abortion? Iraq War? Global Warming? Gay Marriage? Just to name a few categories where Stalinists, err, Libs are in lockstep.

By rushncap

June 19, 2007 7:17 PM | Link to this

Hahaha, well Muffin, wonder no longer! Bloomberg no longer calls himself a Republican

By N-GA

June 19, 2007 8:08 PM | Link to this

bi-danish,

I had an open window that I didn’t want to waste. But your comments equating Stalinists with Liberals because they have some common views is simply too stupid and uninformed to let stand.

Why not then look at the views shared by Muslims and Christians: Pornography is sinful, stealing is wrong, yada, yada. I guess from your myopic perspective they must be brothers.

LMAO…there is no one on this blog more obscenely foolish than you, bi-danish

By Andy

June 19, 2007 8:15 PM | Link to this

The only pedophile-mania on this blog today was the filth that comes from Dye Brainless’s keyboard.

notice how she’s the only one, (@@ is the same pervert), that brings up pedophilia?

Nobody’s interested in your evil-witch twisted sex acts, Dye Brainless, so you can just find another blog.

Let me apologize for this Dye Brainless person, truly a sick perverted remnant of the right, in case any minors were reading this blog when that horrid child abuser felt she just had to mention her passion for perversion.

I just dont think there’s room for Dye Brainless’s brand of hate in this good country.

I dont mind debate, but there’s just no excusing Dye Brainless and her felonious fixes.

A true shame, and once again, let me apologize to all who were totally offended by Dye Brainless and her mindless hate.

The New Republican Party will not tolerate haters, and I can guarantee you that!

By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 8:07 AM | Link to this

Is this POS reporter trying to talk people into seeking revenge for these bombings?:

{{{A truck bomber attacked a “”””revered”””” Shiite shrine in the heart of Baghdad on Tuesday…….a bombing last week brought down twin golden minarets at the “””””””important”””””” Shiite al-Askariya shrine in Samarra-Urinal}}}}

These goony libs are upset that there still isn’t any civil war in Iraq, except Sunnis killing Al Qaeda, of course, so they try to remind their readers that, hey, this mosque was “revered!”

All I know is that there will be no more hate preached inside of it.

Good riddance.

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From the Urinal’s Vent:

{{{So you think Fox is unbiased and all other news sources on the planet are biased? Close your eyes and think about that real hard.}}}

Fox is biased alright, biased towards America like any normal American would be.

Geez.

You go cavort with Al Qaeda and all your suicide bombing brethren, leave us to decide what they report.

Cowards.

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The Palestinian people, who stage injuries in order to solicit Western media sympathy, and then roar madly as they hold up their hands, red with the blood of murdered Israeli soldiers.

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By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this

Dearest AJC:

I didn’t know that we were allowed now to post late at night after blog hours, using someone else’s name:

{{{By Andy June 19, 2007 8:15 PM The only pedophile-mania on this blog today was the filth that comes from Dye Brainless’s keyboard.}}}

Is this acceptable blog conduct for the rest of us now or is it just O.K. for you AJC approved blog lurker?

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By Buy Danish

June 20, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

I don’t equate Stalinists with Liberals because “they have some common views”, although that is problematic. Any group that is in the thrall of Marxism must be challenged as it is incompatible with our free Republic.

I equate them because they both use Stalinist tactics - both are armed with the Thought Police.

It is astonishing to me how ignorant you are of what is going on on college campuses - which is the breeding ground of 21st Century Liberal Fascism.

I have posted a multitude of links to appalling situations that are endorsed by the Universities themselves and you “foolishly” dismiss them.

You foolishly deny the threat of Islamofasism while degrading Christians at every opportunity. Just look at your fatuous “argument” that both Muslims and Christians oppose pornography and stealing. That has all the intellectual gravitas of a third grader asking “why can’t we all just get along”?

You are a foolish candidate for Dhimmitude.

That is as foolish as it gets.

rushncap,

The jokes on you, munchkin. Bloomberg is going to have Shrillary shaking in her shoes.

You’d better hope that her Bimbo Eruption team has been collecting dirt on him.

By IN THE NEWS

June 20, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this

GOOD MORNING LUCKODULL

READY FOR ANOTHER DAY OF EVER SHRINKING NEO CONSERVATIVE MINORITY?

ALL YOUR PERSONALITIES HAVE SOME ENTERTAINMENT VALUE!

By FAIR IS FAIR

June 20, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this

””“”It is astonishing to me how ignorant you are of what is going on on college campuses - which is the breeding ground of 21st Century Liberal Fascism.”“”

And just what is the miltary idustrial complex breeding?

By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

Gawd, we all know who he’s talking about:

We are getting demolished,” the Marine officer says, “by nefarious enemy media outlets … ‘reporters’ or ‘sources’ for Arab and other news agencies either on insurgent payrolls or who have known sympathies with insurgent operations, and by collective Western media that are often being manipulated by enemy elements. What incredible economy of effort the enemy is afforded when US media is their megaphone. Why spend precious resources on developing your own propaganda machine when you can make your opponent’s own news outlets scream your message louder than you could ever have hoped to do independently?”

Oh my, talk about nailing it.

Just like I always said, the American media and Al Qaeda, two peas in a pod, fighting the same “enemy.”

What utter perversion of normal, time tested standards of conduct, of loyalty, of honor, of pride.

You liberals are sickos.

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By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

{{{By IN THE PROPAGANDA June 20, 2007 8:31 AM GOOD MORNING LUCKODULL READY FOR ANOTHER DAY OF EVER SHRINKING NEO CONSERVATIVE MINORITY?}}}

Good morning to you too, wanker.

Here is a good example of what it means to “follow the pack” in America:

{{{Democracy: Has Jimmy Carter gone off the deep end? He’s now scolding the West for refusing to bankroll Hamas terrorists who’ve just seized power at gunpoint in Gaza. It’s a new low in coddling terrorism.}}}

Sorry, but I choose to remain a free thinker, someone who can distinguish the obvious and make my own decisions, not some stupid slobbering lap dog waiting for the new goony democrat talking points to arrive, like you are.

Notice how I disagree with a lot of what Bush says and does, mostly all of it when he let’s his little liberals self out to play, and you toadies on this blog will defend your perversion to the very bottom of the sewer?

I’m holding something up for you, wanker.

Guess what it is.

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By Buy Danish

June 20, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this

“Andy”,

I neglected to add that what I posted about the materials that were distributed to classrooms in Massachusetts is not “pedophilia”.

While there is no doubt the “adults” are hoping to bring more sheep into the fold, those materials are detailed instructions in perversion that were written for our children to use with their same sex peers.

By IN THE NEWS

June 20, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this

WHATEVER IT IS YOU ARE HOLDING UP….

IT SURE IS SMALL

By IN THE NEWS

June 20, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

I FEEL SAFER ALREADY

By IN THE NEWS

June 20, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

ALL GEORGIANS BETTER EAT WELL AND EXCERSIZE

By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this

{{{True to her reputation for control and discipline Hillary Clinton severely limits opportunities for media to question her. She does not frequent the Sunday talk shows. After the initial round of press interviews in January following her announcement of her candidacy, her network and cable news interviews have been few and far between. According to one Republican’s research, she has done less than two dozen “press avails”— open opportunities for media to question candidates at public appearances — since February, a meager record of slightly more than one a week.}}}

Remember when Blinky Pelosi went MIA 2 months before last November’s elections, ensuring that she didn’t say anything stupid enough to destroy the democrats chances at victory?

Notice how sHrillary is doing the same thing?

Ever wonder why that is?

Fred Thompon won’t shut up, when a camera is around or a column needs to be written he is there sharing his ideas around, not afraid to broach any subject.

Is it because his base position on the issues is not the depraved pervert one like the democrat’s always is?

Why does sHrillary have to lie when she does speak, nattering on about her being religious, even though there are no churches in the world with any record of her attendance?

And the biggest question, how do the libs get away with it?

Are their voters really that stupid?

Duh.

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By IN THE NEWS

June 20, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this

AND ALWAYS WATCH THE COMPANY YOU KEEP

By @@

June 20, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

Just dropping by with some news from Stratfor about the new offensive…

(((In Diyala, however, both the foreign jihadists and their domestic allies are beginning to feel cornered, with few places left to hide. They face hostile Kurdish majorities to the north in As Sulaymaniyah, Iranian and Iraqi Shiite majorities to the east and south (especially in Wasit, where they have been unable to establish a long-term presence), growing Sunni nationalist and tribal hostility to the west in Salah ad Din and Anbar and a strong-handed security operation in Baghdad.)))

CORNERED, I like that word; as in “turning a corner”.

As far as Gaza and the West Bank in Palestine. Stratfor is advising us to keep our eye on Egypt.

Israel is pleased with the events unfolding in Palestine. Kinda puts them in a position to play “both ends” with Gaza, not them, in the middle.

Interesting stuff!!!!

By Buy Danish

June 20, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

Fair is Fair,

Dude! Great first step! You’ve admitted that our campuses are breeding grounds for 21st Century Liberal Fascism, but the “Military Industrial Complex” is so 1950s.

I’m guessing that you are either a doddering old sixties radical or a wet behind the ears college freshman.

By Lazy Fred Update

June 20, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

Hey everyone,

Heres a preview of some of our research on Fred Thompson. Thompson is trying to run as a Washington outsider” candidate, but its basically just another acting job for the lobbyist-turned-actor. Later today we’re going to send an email out to the entire DNC list about this, but we wanted to give this group a heads-up first so you can start spreading the word.

Here’s what we’ve learned about Fred Thompson’s background and his political views:

Thompson spent decades as a lobbyist in Washington. During the 1980s he represented the energy firm Westinghouse in a failed attempt to win billions in federal subsidies. Over the past few years, he has lobbied on behalf of Equitas, a London company seeking to limit liability claims for asbestos-related illnesses. That project has earned him $760,000. The Washington Post even dubbed Thompson the “access man.”

Thompson has hosted fundraisers for the Scooter Libby Legal Defense Fund, and when Sean Hannity asked if he would pardon Libby, he said Absolutely.

In an interview last week, Thompson charged that the Roe v. Wade decision was “was fabricated out of whole cloth,” and that it was the worst court ruling in the past 40 years. He went on to equate so-called “late-term” abortions with infanticide, implying that women who undergo the procedure are criminals.

Thompson is trying to act like hes an outsider bringing change to Washington, but these facts show that its just not true. Now we need to make sure as many people as possible hear about it.

By FAIR IS FAIR

June 20, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

Really silly first step.

Avoid the question throw out a diversion.

Answer the question.

By SOURCE PLEASE

June 20, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

OR WE”LL KNOW IT’S MORE BUSH-IT

””“even though there are no churches in the world with any record of her attendance?”“”

By N-GA

June 20, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

bi-danish,

There is no “because” in your original comparison of Stalinists to Liberals. You simply MADE THE COMPARISON by noting some common (in your opinion) positions/views.

Now you are trying to explain “why” you made the comparison.

In your post this morning you used the laughably inane phrase “Liberal Fascism”. You are one of those fools who thinks that by describing something or someone using strong adjectives that you are truthful and accurate. In point of fact you don’t even know what a Fascist is (try looking in a mirror, if you can stand it).

I read literally thousand of resumes over the past thirty years and was astonished at the gradual decrease in the knowledge of college graduates over the years…people who memorized everything and understood nothing. You are a stunning example of those people, a truly uneducated individual. The Internet has given you a voice you would never have in public.

And now you practice what this administration does so regularly. You deny your foolish mistake. But that is okay. You see we don’t really care what you “think”. You do it so rarely, if at all. I have neither the hope nor the desire to convince you to join the 70+% of us enlightened Americans. As a human being, you are repugnant. As a Christian, you follow the anti-Christ. And as an American, you are an embarrassment.

By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

{{{By SOURCE PLEASE June 20, 2007 9:21 AM OR WE”LL KNOW IT’S MORE BUSH-IT ””“even though there are no churches in the world with any record of her attendance?”“”}}}

You’re the goony, prove me wrong.

It should be easy right?

Coward.

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{{{By Lazy Fred Update June 20, 2007 9:15 AM Thompson has hosted fundraisers for the Scooter Libby Legal Defense Fund, and when Sean Hannity asked if he would pardon Libby, he said Absolutely.}}}

Dullard: This may be hard for you to understand, being that you are an idiot and all, but Fred is not running for the democrat nomination.

Duh.

Geez, what mindless wonders you liberals are.

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By SOURCE PLEASE

June 20, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

Luckodull, you posted it.

The source is your responsibility.

Without reliable source it’s just another fairy tale.

Once upon a time……

By @@

June 20, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

Following the example set by the liberals here, I’ll offer a couple of “what ifs” (2) and I’m out until Monday.

Clinton Tape ‘Captures Commission of Crime,’ Lawyer Argues

This one isn’t a ‘what if’, it’s true. Politics as usual.

(((Obama Apologizes for Document That Mocks Clinton on India)))

(((Mr. Obama’s campaign declined to apologize for the document shortly after it was issued and obtained by Mrs. Clinton’s campaign. The next day, Mr. Obama’s campaign manager expressed regret over the memo’s tone, but not its substance.)))

Obama claims he had nothing to do with the memo. Personally, I think he probably did. I think Obama is a master at manipulating the press and the people. BEWARE!

To be continued.

By LAZY FRED UPDATE

June 20, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this

Luckodull

No Duh.

By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

Damn, a little bit of honesty from a goony liberal:

{{{By N-GA June 20, 2007 9:22 AM I read literally thousand of resumes over the past thirty years and was astonished at the gradual decrease in the knowledge of college graduates over the years…people who memorized everything and understood nothing.}}}

I tend to agree.

It’s kind of like the total impossibility of evolution being all of the answers to mankind, the army of dullards who have been indoctrinated into mindless liberalism, by having the lie repeated over and over until they surrender to their stupidity.

Or man made CO2 causing “global warming” even though CO2’s effect on warming is .00008%

Our education system is a politically correct joke.

Thank you very much for pointing that out N-GA.

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By IN THE NEWS

June 20, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department has opted out of at least 10 whistle-blower lawsuits alleging fraud and corruption in government reconstruction and security contracts in Iraq, and has spent years investigating additional fraud cases but has yet to try to recover any money.

By IN THE NEWS

June 20, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

Anchors, ambassador declare Iraq surge little more than whack-a-mole

By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

{{{{By SOURCE PLEASE June 20, 2007 9:36 AM Luckodull, you posted it. The source is your responsibility. Without reliable source it’s just another fairy tale. Once upon a time……}}}}

Dear World: If there is a church that sHrillary “Clinton” has regular attendance at, please tell this slobbering moron^^.

The rest of us alreay know there ain’t one.

Duh.

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By @@

June 20, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

The U.K. loves their gossip. They can’t vote in the U.S., but the internet sends us what’s IN THE NEWS…

Bill’s been told: no more embarrassments

Too funny. Bill Clinton, “The Eunuch” Ambassador of Goodwill.

Will he or won’t he?

Maybe he can hook up with Royale in France. She dumped her philandering husband AFTER she lost the election.

By Shawny

June 20, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

ok, who let cartoon boy go on vacation? In his absence, here is a toon that doesn’t suck, although the subject does. Surely CBS has the brains to put someone in Bob’s place with a sliver of respectability.

Gawd I hate that wench.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

June 20, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

-=-

Dear slobbering moron -

You do not have to be a member of a church to be religeous…

-=-

By AmVet

June 20, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

Daniel, I just read an article about Bloomberg leaving the GOP. The Grand Old Party seems to be practically imploding at the moment. If they don’t change their ways very soon, they are faced with the very real prospect of again being on the outside looking in for the next forty years.

The guy is staggeringly rich and has been a Dem, A Repub and now an Independent. What a chameleon!

But he’s definitely not alone in abandoning the two major political parties. I think this next election is going to show that very clearly. And like most Americans now, he chooses to see the obvious:

“Our reputation has been hurt very badly in the last few years,” he said. “We’ve had a go-it-alone mentality in a world where, because of communications and transportation, you should be going exactly in the other direction.”

Exactly the other direction, indeed.

By SOURCE PLEASE

June 20, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

Admit it Luckodull, you just plain made that up.

We know it. You know it.

What are you afraid of now?

By IN THE NEWS

June 20, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

The Bushites Have Outsourced Our Government to Their Pals

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Maybe Hillary Clinton doesn’t discuss her religious beliefs so much because she feels they are private. She is a Methodist, I can leave it at that. Can any of you?

If she doesn’t go to church regularly, who cares?

Maybe, just maybe, she feels like many of us that your religious beliefs have very little to do with being the President.

By georgia 74

June 20, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

@@, You are such an idiot. Hillary 08”

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

Oh my God, this is a dark day. I just read on the front page at ajc.com, that Rosie O’Donnell, may replace Bob Barker on the Price is Right.

How dare the producers of that show! That would simply be a tragedy, to have her ruin the integrity of the best game show in the history of television.

Oh, the insanity!

By Buy Danish

June 20, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

Idiot N-GA,

Read my lips: I did not employ the word “because”. YOU DID.

Here:

{{{But your comments equating Stalinists with Liberals *because* they have some common views is simply too stupid and uninformed to let stand.”}}}

When I used the word, I did not say WHY I was using it. YOU decided that I used it “because they have common views” (thanks for the admission by the way) when I use it mostly to describe the TACTICS they use to silence the opposition, political correctness being the primary tool, along with arguments like “the debate is over”.

If you were as educated as you claim to be, you would know that the “laughably inane phrase” “liberal fascism” is not new.

Have you heard of H.G. Wells?

By The Return of Doom

June 20, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Boschit,

Some people’s line between right and wrong is blurred when they don’t believe in God. They tend to make up there own rules as they go along, as is the case with most liberals.

By The Return of Doom

June 20, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

B!tch Danish,

Still posting meaningless garbage huh? Doom figured you’d move on with your pathetic life by now. The least you could have done was to appear as one of your aliases or create a new one.

By Funny morons®

June 20, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

I can’t believe Buy Dhimmi is still playing word games with “because” after making a fool of herself yesterday with “average”.

Better hurry Buy Dhinmmi, I hear the short bus honking for you.

By Funny morons®

June 20, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

We have a president who professes a great faith in God but his every action is unchristian like.

I’d rather have an honest president, thank you very much.

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Doom, OH Goodness, so are you saying that all Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Wiccans, and other non-Christians who don’t believe in the “Judaeo-Christian God” have a blurred vision of what is right and what is wrong?

Hillary Clinton is a declared Methodist. She has a very long-term relationship with her childhood minister. She’s never said or claimed that she is an athiest (at least that I know of, if you have evidence to the contrary, please let me know).

By The Return of Doom

June 20, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Funny morons,

That’s interesting come from a self proclamied moron. Doom thinks he’ll respond to someone else’s opinion, thank you very much.

By Funny morons®

June 20, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

The great and tragic irony of the Bush presidency is that its morally convicted foundations have yielded some of the most morally grotesque acts and radical departures from American values in our country’s history.

By FAIR IS FAIR

June 20, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

What about conservative fascism?

“don’t be fooled by perennial rightist attempts to depict fascism as left-wing. Fascists played with some socialist ideas early on, but these were some of the baggage tossed out as the parties took power. In both countries the fascists’ allies were conservatives, who hoped to use their energy, ballot appeal, and violence for their own ends. Neither Mussolini nor Hitler seized power; both were handed it, quite legally, by conservatives terrified of leftist alternatives. “

By The Return of Doom

June 20, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Boschit,

Uh yes. That’s what I’m saying(see destruction of twin towers in the name of Allah). B!tchary Clinton is suprisingly not an atheist, but she cowtows to atheists and their agenda. The only thing worst than an atheist is a fake christian.

By N-GA

June 20, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

bi-danish,

In your remarks to rushncap you posted: “You still have not told me what views separate you out from your fellow academics. Abortion? Iraq War? Global Warming? Gay Marriage? Just to name a few categories where Stalinists, err, Libs are in lockstep.”

You overtly (and wrongly - liar) suggest that “Libs” and Stalinists share common views, therefore they are, by implication, then cut of the same cloth. In the first place, you are wrong about your suggestion that Libs & Stalinists even share these common views. In fact, Stalinists are more like you uber-conservative fascists. You want to impose your views on everyone whereby Liberals generally want to let people live their own lives without government sticking its nose in our emails, bedrooms, bank accounts, etc.

By Funny morons®

June 20, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

The great and tragic irony of the Bush presidency is that its morally convicted foundations have yielded some of the most morally grotesque acts and radical departures from American values in our country’s history.

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Doom, Well, thanks for making your opinion clear for me.

Well, how exactly does Hillary “cowtow” to the atheist agenda? Just curious.

By Funny morons®

June 20, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Tony Snow’s response to potential violations of the Presidential Records Act? B-b-but Clinton…

By In other words

June 20, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

Some people’s line between right and wrong is blurred when they believe in God. They tend to make up there own rules as they go along, as is the case with The Return of Dumb.

By IN THE NEWS

June 20, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

Decision day for Webb, Mikulski. The Senate will vote today on whether to weaken proposals to make our cars run farther on less gas. The current energy bill includes a provision that requires all cars and light trucks to get 35 miles/gallon by 2020 — the first fuel economy increase in decades. Sen Carl Levin (D-MI) has proposed an amendment favored by automakers that would severely weaken these standards. The two key swing votes in the Senate are Jim Webb (D-VA) and Barbara Mikulski (D-MA). Call their offices toll-free through the Capitol switchboard at (800) 828-0498, and tell them to take the climate crisis seriously and oppose the Levin energy amendment.

By IN THE NEWS

June 20, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

Of course the GOP Senators are working to kill pro-worker legislation

By Funny morons®

June 20, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Doom - don’t forget to get on the bus that’s honking for Buy Dhimmi.

By IN THE NEWS

June 20, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Iraq: US army reports 3 American soldiers killed

By Funny morons®

June 20, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

“The only thing worst than an atheist is a fake christian.”

You should know since we currently have a fake christian in the White House.

By IN THE NEWS

June 20, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

BAGHDAD - The U.S. military acknowledged “an increasing pattern of attacks” against the Green Zone, a day after a mortar barrage against the heavily fortified area sent soldiers and contractors scrambling for cover.

By steve-o

June 20, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

Doom,

What about the KKK and their belief that white supremacy is natural and necessary according to Christianity?

By The Return of Doom

June 20, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

I’m sorry but Danish has left the building. She does not post when Doom is here because she’s afraid to get her a$$ whipped. If you have any questions for conservatives on this blog, Doom is available to answer them.

Bosch,

You are too much of a moron for Doom to have a conversation with. You wouldn’t understand my answers because you are possessed with the same demonic spirit other liberals are.

By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

{{{By Bosch June 20, 2007 10:03 AM Maybe Hillary Clinton doesn’t discuss her religious beliefs so much because she feels they are private. She is a Methodist, I can leave it at that. Can any of you?}}}

Yes, Jesus instructed his followers to be reaaaalllll quite about their Faith.

Geez.

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By The Return of Doom

June 20, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

steve-o,

The KKK is wrong in that belief. As Doom said before, a fake christian is worse than an atheist.

By IN THE NEWS

June 20, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

There is no such thing is a conservative think tank

By Funny morons®

June 20, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

“quite” about their faith?

What a moron.

By rushncap

June 20, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

Muffin — since you’ve never been to college how do YOU know what goes on on college campuses? Are you now an expert both on “real life” (whatever that is) and “fake campus life”? Anything else you view yourself an expert on? Can you, perchance, bend spoons with your mighty mind?

By Can't Resist

June 20, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

If Doom is “returnable” can we get our deposit back?

By Seeker

June 20, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

What exactly did Jesus say about spreading the faith? Or about being quiet about it?

Anybody?

By rushncap

June 20, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

I think God is trying to tell us something. Hehehe.

By The Return of Doom

June 20, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

Seeker,

Matthew 28:19-20. Jesus tells his disciples and us to go into all nations baptizing them and teaching them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

By Sttraight Guy From Massachusetts

June 20, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

Can someone explain to me how it is that there are actually 72 people out there who did NOT think the “Couples” cartoon was funny?

By LMAO

June 20, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

”. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.”

Sound familiar? Jesus was the first one to call these right wing Christian freaks hypocrits!

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

June 20, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

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It’s because 4 people voted 18 times that they didn’t like the cartoon - and I bet you can guess which 4…

-=-

By The Return of Doom

June 20, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

LMAO,

Jesus was referring to “street” preachers who just want to be heard or seen. There was no right wing or left wing at the time moron!

Also, he wasn’t talking about Christians because those people didn’t believe he was the Christ! That was to non christian religious people.

Do your homework, don’t just say something to be heard!

By LMAO

June 20, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Even though public prayer is an abomination its important to remember.

Love the sinner hate the sin.

By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

{{{By AmVet June 20, 2007 9:57 AM Daniel, I just read an article about Bloomberg leaving the GOP. The Grand Old Party seems to be practically imploding at the moment.}}}

Am “vet:” Bloomberg “leaving” the GOP would sort of be like you leaving the democrats, their overall IQ level would show a marked improvement.

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Anybody that rides into a political blog and starts shooting flaming balls of racism at other bloggers because he doesn’t like their politics, is the worst sort of scum:

{{{By steve-o June 20, 2007 11:06 AM Doom, What about the KKK and their belief that white supremacy is natural and necessary according to Christianity?}}}

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By LMAO

June 20, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

“But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. “

HOW CAN THAT BE MORE CLEAR. Some of you Christians are great at trying to explain away things like this that can’t be more clear, to suit YOURSELF. Of course when it comes to gays…………..

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Doom, So in other words, you CAN’T tell me how Hillary is pandering to the athiest agenda?

Are you also an expert on what constitutes a “fake Christian?”

Also, in the fifth chapter of Matthew Jesus also restricts the disciples to only go to the Jews to spread the “word” and to not enter the cities of the Gentiles.

In Mark the “Great Commission” which is what all this is called, is a little less melodramatic, it happens and ends with Jesus and the disciples — and since Mark is the earliest Gospel written (the ones in the Bible) and the other Gospel writers Matthew, Luke and John use it as a reference, I’ll go with Mark — just like everything in the Bible, it’s open to interpretation.

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

LMAO, So I see by reading Doom’s 11:54 post, it appears he actually KNOWS Jesus and KNOWS what Jesus meant.

By Dr.Doom

June 20, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

Boschit,

It was dangerous for them to enter at that time. He didn’t want his disciples killed. Makes sense don’t it?

By Seeing is believing

June 20, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

A fake Christian is one who doesn’t practice their faith in lockstep with the neocons.

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Doom, So later on, Jesus decided it was okay for them to enter in the cities? What happened, did he have a man on the inside in the Office of Homeland Security who told him it was okay?

Since you speak in absolutes, brother, please tell me more.

So, what about the Gospel of Mark, what did Jesus mean then?

By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

I usually don’t get into debates over scripture with heretics and modern day pharisees, but this clown is cherry picking the Bible:

{{{By LMAO June 20, 2007 12:05 PM HOW CAN THAT BE MORE CLEAR.}}}

We’re talking about the basics, man:

Here the Word of God, your Father {{{“Follow Me, and I will make you become fishers of men.”}}}

{{{“This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations” — Matthew 24:14}}}

Amen.

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By No wonder

June 20, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

the dumbass lefties on here are calling themselves progressives now. They’ve been outed.

You’re still a bunch of f*king loser libs too stupid to know that when you speak it’s your as-s that’s moving. It’s closest to your brain which is stuck up your hole.

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

Andy, Seriously, cherry picking the Bible is a favorite past time of the fundamentalist evangelicals.

Be back later……………………….

By Buy Danish

June 20, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

Unfunny Moron,

WTF are you babbling about?

I made a “fool” of myself over the word “average”? I did no such thing you freaking idiot. In the context that RUSHNCAP used it, I defined it to mean “ordinary” which your handy dandy Thesaurus confirmed is correct. I used “exceptional” as an antonym, which is also correct.

Not only did I define “average” correctly, but I nailed the definition of “mainstream” which I defined as a “prevailing force”.

Damn I’m good!: Mainstream: noun: a prevailing current or direction of activity or influence

Let me know the next time you want a word defined. I’ll save you the trouble of Googling it.

My response to rushncap follows. I need a separate post in order to link a path to the truth he claims to be interested in…

By Can't Resist

June 20, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

One of the definitions of wonder is

“to think or speculate curiously:”

so does no wonder mean no think?

By Seeker

June 20, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

“”16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

So what constitutes making disciples of all nations?

And if an idividual does not follow this dictum, then what?

By LMAO

June 20, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

Cherry picking the Bible???? Me? Oh my God!

Where ever did I learn that from?

“HOMOSEXUALS WILL BURN IN HELL”

Public prayer, divorce and a thousand others have been given waivers. Where do I get my “Get out of sin for free card?”

Like I said about public prayer, “Love the sinner, hate the sin.”

By IN THE NEWS

June 20, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Did Bush approve release of suicide bomber commander?

By Paul

June 20, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

In The News 11:13

Such links tend to make liberal web commentators look… uneducated. One has to be at least a little familiar with the methodology of such studies. For example, the study cited “education benefits.” What’s the cost to educate a primary school child? 5,6,7,10 thousand a year? That’s the kind of stuff that gets factored in and how one can stack it up to $30k.

“Implied benefits” kick in. They probably factored in the additive costs of emergency-room health care, also.

It works in reverse, too. Not too long ago a Congressional Research Office report on the average cost (pay, benefits, etc) per soldier is over $100,000 a year. Many military (and civilians here) ridiculed it as “they never saw a paycheck that big for a sergeant (for a colonel/captain, though, it’s a different matter).

So the liberal site pooh-poohing the study and using it as a means to make conservative think tanks look dumb just makes liberal commentators look…. ignorant!

By Buy Danish

June 20, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Rad Rushncap,

I missed your post yesterday about the “radicals” of the American Revolution who weren’t very religious in your estimation.

I recall you once argued that the Renaissance painters like Michelangelo weren’t very religious either and only used religious imagery because they were paid to do it. You really do begrudge Christians the “truth” about our heritage, don’t you Munchkie? But I digress.

I don’t know how you define “religious” but any idiot can figure out that your statement about the Founders is patently false under any definition of the word.

The clues (plural) can be found in this sentence:

“And for the support of this Declaration with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.”

Now, to address your silly claims that they were “radicals” (just like you, HA HA HA?) I just happened to come upon a great history lesson about the founders by a none other than a bastion of conservativism - Rush Limbaugh. As he indisputably argues:

They were sober men. There were no dreamy-eyed intellectuals or draft card burners here. They were far from hot-eyed fanatics, yammering for an explosion. They simply asked for the status quo. It was change they resisted. It was equality with the mother country they desired. It was taxation with representation they sought. They were all conservatives, yet they rebelled

I don’t think there’s really much to add to that, and I challenge you to refute it, Munchkie. Facts only please.

I’ll be back with a history lesson of the religious affiliation of the Founders. It’s quite tiresome to have to repeat these lessons, but people like yourself seem to be slow learners who require frequent review - not to mention deprogramming.

By IN THE NEWS

June 20, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Bush and Rumsfeld ‘knew about Abu Ghraib’

By Paul

June 20, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

Seeker 11:20

Now have fun with the discussion of known world vs actual world, whether it applied to the Apostles or all followers, as well as following government edicts (the “render unto Caesar thing”).

Return of Doom 11:54 LOL

LMAO 12:05

Care to provide an historical context? Maybe some doctrinal differences and worship styles of Pharisees and Sadducees?

Bosch 12:05

And since many of the Pauline letters were written before the Gospels…. gets kinda fun in a speculative way, doesn’t it? Especially since the “last” book of the Bible (Revelation) was written about the same time as Mark.

Seeker 12:41

That’s what happens when Western literalists read Eastern symbology.

By Buy Danish

June 20, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

Here is an excellent, detailed description of the religious affiliation of the Founders.

According to your exacting standards of who you choose to “socialize” with, it doesn’t appear that you would have enjoyed their company.

Your loss, their gain.

By Paul

June 20, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish 1:12

Nice link, thx. Regardless of their denominational affiliation (or lack thereof), wasn’t there an acknowledgement that “religion” is different from “spirituality” and giving a nod to that had a positive effect in public interaction? Just seems to me all the debate about the appropriateness/inappropriateness of “religion” in public life, with all the trite questions to candidates (“do you attend church? How often do you pray? Do you agree with all of your church’s teachings?”) not only misses the point but keeps more relevant questions waaay away from ever getting asked.

Sometimes I also wonder if candidates foster this kind of discussion as it’s a really great way to divert questions from other topics of a bit more import to the future of our country.

By Bumper Sticker

June 20, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

My God can kick your God’s A$$.

By rushncap

June 20, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Muffin, spare me. You know just as well as anyone that the Founders were less religious than most of the people in the colonies. Many of the important ones (Jefferson and many others) were Deists, which is basically atheists of the 18th century. Yes you can find, as I’m sure you will, some very religious founders. I’m saying on average, not in every case. You’d need to know some math to know what that means.

And yes, the artists of the Renaissance were not necessarily religious folk. They drew what they were paid for, and at the time church had the most money to spend on luxuries. They also painted tons of “pagan” canvasses, scenes from Greek mythology, but I doubt you would argue that any of them were all that into Zeus either. Honey, I know far more Renaissance art than you, you really don’t want to go into that arena with me.

By I Can't Get Behind That!

June 20, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

I can’t get behind the Gods, who are more vengeful, angry, and dangerous if you don’t believe in them! Why can’t all these Gods just get along? I mean, they’re omnipotent and omnipresent, what’s the problem? What about the men who say ‘Do as I do. Believe in what I say, for your own good, or I’ll kill you!’ I can’t get behind that!

By Paul

June 20, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

Bumper Sticker

Going anthropomorphic on us?

In all seriousness, isn’t that the bumper sticker of radical Islam? You know, that “war” that John Edwards says is a bumper sticker?

By rushncap

June 20, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Oh, and P.S. Muff — if you think Rush Limbaugh has any weight as a historian, you really do need to see the nice men in white coats.

By The Return of Doom

June 20, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

Doom can’t think of anything more funny than a bunch of heathens try to debate about God. That’s like ants debating the reality and value of humans!

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

OK, f*, time to bring out the REAL truth.

“God loves everyone” is the theology that is touted by every major so-called “Christian” religion in the United States. Of the more than 600,000 churches and synagogues in the U.S. most, if not all, prescribe to this view of God. It is the hue and cry of this sinful and corrupt generation and the single idea and value that binds the religious community of the U.S. together. Even people who do not attend church and who are not religious agree on this point, so that it unites “believers” and “unbelievers.” Without a doubt “God loves everyone” is universally believed in the Christian world, to the exclusion of all other ideas.

Have you ever wondered how many times “God loves everyone” is found in the Bible – 20, 50, 100, 200? Have you ever wondered if it appears in the New Testament or Old Testament or both? Have you ever wondered who said these words or who they are attributable to? Have you ever wondered how many times Jesus said “God loves everyone?” As a matter of uncontroverted fact the phrase “God loves everyone” never appears in the Bible. You can search from Genesis to Revelation, including looking in all 66 books, 1,189 chapters, 31,173 verses and 774,746 words and you will never find this phrase. Period. In other words, the most famous Christian notion of God that is repeated without measure or limit in this evil and adulterous generation is never found in the Bible.

By Funny morons®

June 20, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

I’ve never seen anyone expend more energy trying to prove themselves right while all the while making a bigger fool of themselves.

Yes Buy Dhimmi - I’m describing you.

By In other words

June 20, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Dumb can’t think of anything. Funny that I, a fraud, and a bunch of heathens try to debate about God. That’s like Dumb debating the reality and value of humans!

By Paul

June 20, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Rev

There you go with the literalism again. It’s concepts, man, concepts. Ever heard of “God so loved the world…”?

BTW “Everyone loves chocolate. However, that which they call “chocolate” isn’t really chocolate. Therefore, everyone loves that which isn’t.”

By The Return of Doom

June 20, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Rev.Fred Phelps,

John 3:16- “For God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.”

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

Here’s more for you f@ggot-lovers.

John 3:16 is always cited as support for “God loves everyone,” but of course, the verse does not say these words. Below is the full passage that shows the context of this oft-referenced verse: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent hot his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved… 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten God. 19 And this is the condemnation that light is come into the world and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil.20 For everyone that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

By Buy Danish

June 20, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

Pseudo Renaissance Scholar rushncap,

Sweetie Pie, compared to you, Rush Limbaugh is Herodotus.

Why don’t you dispute his assessment of their conservative roots, Munchkie?

Why don’t you try to argue that this statement is secular?:

“And for the support of this Declaration with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.”

Because you can’t?

I don’t know why Atheists like yourself aren’t content to not believe in God, but have to take it an extra step and try to rewrite history to exclude the significance of Christianity on Western Civilization and our great Republic, and ideally remove all references to it from the public square.

This is a from a detailed analysis of Jefferson’s religious beliefs, which you claim were paltry and insignificant :

Although Jefferson’s specific denominational and congregational ties were limited in his adulthood and his ever-evolving theological beliefs were distinctively his own, he was without a doubt a Protestant. One should keep in mind that despite his later self-stated non-affiliation with any specific denomination, he was raised as an Episcopalian, attended Episcopalian services many times as an adult and as President, and he expressed a clear affinity for Unitarianism. However these denominations may be classified now, during Jefferson’s lifetime, the Episcopal Church and the Unitarian Church were both considered to be Protestant denominations.

I’d love to educate you further, but I have to go.

Paul,

I only mention religion because rushncap was waxing euphoric over his snooty observation that none of his friends are Christians. I noted yesterday how remarkable that was in a country that is overwhelmingly Christian.

I tend to limit my discussions of religion to an historical perspective beginning with the Magna Carta, continuing on and continuing on through our Founding.

Too many Atheists and Agnostics just can’t bear to hear about the positive influence of Christianity on Western Civilization.

Later…

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Ready for more, you Sodomites?

Notice that the verse does not say, “God loves everyone.” It says that whosoever (not every person, but those that believe, however many they be) believeth should not perish but have eternal life. Verse 15 is always conveniently left out of the equation when this verse is quoted because it is restrictive and does not suit the purpose of “god love’s everyone.” “For God so loved the world” refers to the fact that Jesus was speaking to a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews (John 16:1) who believed that only the Jews were saved to the exclusion of the rest of the world. John 3:18 and 19 clear up any question about the matter. It says that he that does not believe is condemned already and that even though light (salvation/Jesus) has come to the world (the whole world, not just the Jews), men love darkness (sin/Satan) rather than light, because their deeds are evil. This does not sound like “God loves everyone” but a pronouncement on the evil of man even when presented with the possibility of salvation. John 3:16

By LMAO

June 20, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

Oh my God Doom. Did Jesus tell you I’m going to Hell? I’m so scared.

Another waiver I see. Your so lucky you got an exemption on that judging others thingy.

Whats more remarkable is your ability to judge people’s faith over the internet. You must be Jesus Jr.

I’m going to go register as a Republica so I can be saved.

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Paul, John of Patmos was one creepy dude. That book is like one big long acid trip!

You are also right about Paul’s (the saint) letters. It does put things in a weird perspective. Peter and the others didn’t much care for Paul, from other things I’ve read. But you’ve got to hand it to Paul, he took his beliefs, stood firm, and went with it. The original 12 were kind of wishy washy. It seems to me like Jesus used to get kind of frustrated with them. Like I said yesterday, it’s too bad many of the evangelicals have bastardized Paul’s teachings.

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

For the Godless Sodomite-lover Buy Danish:

Before the 20th Century “God loves everyone” was largely a foreign theology to the United States even though they had the same Old Testament and New Testament that we have. The Puritans that stepped off the Mayflower at Plymouth in 1620, and their progeny that inhabited the United States for nearly 300 years, largely did not believe that “God loves everyone.” Whether you call these early Americans, Puritans, Baptists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Episcopalians, or most other Protestant religions in the U.S., they read the Bible daily and believed in the wrath of God and they feared Him greatly. You never see “god love’s everyone” in their sermons or writings. Their books and sermons are full of the doctrine of God’s wrath and judgment because the Bible is full of these notions.

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

I am a sexually repressed gay minister. I love j@cking off while the ushers take up the collection. If you don’t believe me, ask my choir director, he watches.

By Ralph

June 20, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

Why do we never speak of our Christian heritage? Of the millions who have been torured and slaughtered in the name of Christ? Throughout European history the constant head-chopping of men and women alike. posting the heads on fences and poles, covered w hot tar to “keep” them fresh for awhile longer, as an example to the ill-behaved masses. With the arrival of each new pope came fresh new forms of torture and killing. What’s YOUR favorite time?? I think the 11th century appeals a bit to me - The Crusades. Paint a cross on your windbreaker, mount up and go “Kill for Christ and God!!” Burn at the stake, I mean even right here in Mercah. Why do we not speak openly of our own vast history of Christianity? Don’t you freaks think it odd? Don’t blame me - I merely touch upon the truth of our well recorded history. Be a good Nazi-Republican. Don’t think about it or talk about it - then it’ll all just go away. Completely justified just like your actions of today. Ahh, this little bitty blog is a revelation in itself of good Christian Mercans. Thank you for your never ending input. Wish I had time to read more of this vomitus. Do pray to whatever it is you pray to - for Bushie.

By Funny morons®

June 20, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

Stick a fork in McCain. He’s done. The latest Iowa polls shows McCain polling 6%, the same as Sam Brownback. That’s right folks, the darling of the press, the maverick, the straight talkin’ man, is pulling the same numbers as Sam “Science? I can’t hear you! La la la la la la” Brownback.

By Seeker

June 20, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

Freddie (Kruger) Phelps

how does all the b.s you just posted square with

“Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. “”

God does not have to love us, but we have to make nice-nice with everybody?

By Funny morons®

June 20, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

“I challenge anybody to show me an example of bias in Fox News Channel.” -Rupert Murdoch

“I don’t think there’s anything offensive about any variation of f*, f*, f*, f*. It’s a schoolyard taunt.” -Ann Coulter, after calling John Edwards a f*

“[T]o be honest about this, I’m convinced that some of these left-wingers, like [Sen.] Ted Kennedy [D-MA], and some of these other groups — they’re not going to be happy until we have a repeat of … mass slaughter.” -Sean Hannity, Fox News host, referring to the war in Iraq

By LMAO

June 20, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Hey Doom, since you have special rights could you tell me who out of the following are going to heaven?

Newt Gingrich what are the odds on him these days? Rudy G? Hillary?

What about Andy? Is he in? How about Bosch?

Is Rev Haggard back in the flock?

What about Bush? Is Jesus happy with the war?

By Mark

June 20, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

Amen, Ralph, amen.

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

For the RumpRanger Seeker:

In Addition to “God Loves Everyone” Not Being In The Bible, The Bible Speaks Of Billions That Were Killed by the Hand of God and Are Condemned To Hell.

If God truly “loved everyone” then everyone in the Bible would be loved and admired by God. If this was true you should be able to open the Bible anywhere from Genesis to Revelation and find everyone in the Bible going to heaven and receiving nothing but loving attention from God. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. By Chapter 3 of Genesis the lie is undone, when Satan is described. Certainly mankind can agree that of all creatures, Satan is destined for hell. By Genesis chapter 4 Cain slays righteous Abel. In Genesis chapter 6 God sees that the “wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the Lord that he had made the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the Lord said, I will destroy man…” Houston, we have a problem! God then destroys the whole earth (Woops!) and everyone on it, except for Noah and his small family, by a Flood, which means many of them died a SLOW, AGONIZING death after days or even weeks of TERROR. Not only adults died; infants; elderly; men; women; children; newborns; because everyone perished! And so it goes. You can’t even get out of the first book with out the wrath and judgments of God consuming most of the book. So, it is throughout the Bible. Open it anywhere and you will see the wrath and judgment of God in every book and in nearly every chapter of the Bible.

By Funny morons®

June 20, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

Bloomberg quits the GOP

By LMAO

June 20, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

Native American to White settler: “Who’s this Jesus you kill for?”

By georgia 74

June 20, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

From Jefferson’s ” Proportioning Crimes and Punishments”- “Whosoever shall be guilty of rape,polygamy or sodomy with a man or a women, shall be punished; if a man, by castration,a woman,by boring through the cartilage of her nose a hole one-half inch in diameter at least.” Va. Bill no.64.

By Seeker

June 20, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

Gee Whiz…..

I thought my uncle involved in Opus Dei was a bit off the mark……

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

“God loves everyone” is straight from the mind of Satan and his ministers that serve him. In essence “God loves everyone” means that man can lead a sinful life, violate the commandments of God daily, not fear Him and still go to heaven. It means that man does not have to be accountable for his/her sins and that there is not a Day of Judgment when men receive the things done in the body whether it be good or evil. “God loves everyone” falsely implies that there is only one attribute of God (love) and that there is no hell and no dichotomy between heaven and hell. Romans 9:18 “Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, whom he will he hardeneth…What if God, willing to show his wrath and to make his power known, endured much long suffering the vessels of wrath fitted for destruction. “God loves everyone” teaches that since God loves everyone that there is no need to fear Him.” Ecclesiastes 12:12 And further, by these, my son be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God, and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

At the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:1) Satan is described as a serpent that “was more subtle than any beast of the field.” Eve told Satan in Genesis 3:3 “But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die; For God doth know that in the day ye east thereof, they your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil. Satan hath beguiled this generation to believe the false doctrine that “God loves everyone” when in fact the scriptures say otherwise.

By LMAO

June 20, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

“For the RumpRanger Seeker:”

That sounds like something Andy would say. What would Jesus say?

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

Hey, wait a minute, LMAO, of course I’m going to heaven! I don’t care what Doom says.

One of my favorite song lyrics is by Peter Gabriel — “And my heaven will be a big heaven, and I will walk through the front door!”

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

If God loved everyone we would live in a state of paradise. No death, no unhappiness, no controversy, no crime, no disease, etc. Yet, that is not the world we were born into. Our world includes innumerable evils and unbelievable horrors. This world was built for a struggle – good versus evil; hell versus heaven. IF GOD LOVED EVERYONE WE WOULDN’T HAVE THE FOLLOWING: Death, Heart Disease, Lung Cancer, Skin Cancer, Breast Cancer, Colon Cancer, Leukemia, Ovarian Cancer, AIDS, Cystic Fibrosis,,Testicular Cancer, Brain Cancer, Throat Cancer, Bone Cancer, Prostate Cancer, Pancreatic Cancer, Uterine Cancer, Thyroid Cancer, Adrenal Cancer, Stomach Cancer,,Multiple Sclerosis, Autism, Depression, Asthma, Black Death, Common Cold, Flu, Diarrhea, Allergies, Herpes, Hepatitis, Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, Syphilis, Sickle Cell,Back pain, Heart Attack, Strokes, Diabetes, High Cholesterol, Kidney Disease, Liver Disease, Alzheimer’s, Dementia, Schizophrenia, Food Poisoning, Lupus, Macular degeneration, Vomiting, Osteoporosis, Alcoholism, Heroin, Methamphetamines, Cocaine Addiction, WAR, Widows, Orphans, Starvation, Obesity, Unemployment, Racism, Slavery, Torture, Poverty, Greed, Drowning, Paraplegics, Blindness, Deafness, Incest, Rape, Murder, Theft, Robbery, Serial Killers, Pedophiles, Abortion, Car Accidents, Land Mines, Nuclear Weapons, Guns, Tanks, Hitler/The Holocaust, Lying, Genocide, Anthrax, Old Age, Nursing Homes, Adultery,Infant Mortality, Hurricanes, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Earthquakes, Arson, Mud Slides, Famine, Drought, Arthritis, Floods ,Jealousy, Rage, Pollution, Prejudice, Abuse of Gov.,,Power, Domestic Violence, Conflict, Fertility Problems, Attention Deficit Disorder, Epilepsy, Bacterial Infections, Cerebral Palsy, Urinary Tract Infections, Blood Diseases, Botulism, Concussions, Burns, Hypothermia, Leprosy

By LMAO

June 20, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

You left out appendicitis.

By IN THE NEWS

June 20, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

TO REPEAT MY COMMENT FROM THIS MORNING…

FredSybilDull

ALL YOUR PERSONALITIES HAVE SOME ENTERTAINMENT VALUE!

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

Hey Fred, You forgot ingrown toenails - I hate those. OH, and hangovers. I hate those too.

By rushncap

June 20, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

Muffin — compared to me Limbaugh is scum. Then again, he’s scum compared to most neighborhood dogs as well, so this is not saying much. I don’t “dispute” him claims because I have no desire to read them, any more than you would want to read Lenin’s analysis of the American Revolution. He is irrelevant.

Jefferson was a Deist, it is well known and agreed upon. The fact that he “attended church” once in a while is meaningless. I have been to numerous churches, including a Mormon one, that does not make me anything other than an atheist who has gone to churches. Just like if you walked into a library that would not make you knowledgeable, educated or intelligent.

Oh, just as a bonus George Washington was no Bible-thumper either. Franlin? Oh yeah, also Deist. James Madison? Hell, he didn’t even want chaplains in the armed forces or the Congress. Check their Wiki pages if you don’t believe me (can’t post more than 2 links in the same message. And these are the first 4 that came to mind.

Ever tire of getting slapped around by me, Muffin?

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

“God Loves Everyone” a/k/a: God Loves and Accepts All People Unconditionally No Matter What. God’s Attributes are ONLY Love and Forgiveness for All. God Has No Anger and Is Accepting of All Behaviors. God Is Not A God of Judgment And Has No Standards Is Irrefutably Denied In the Bible by the 701 Passages.

Heed the word of our angry Christian God! HE DOES NOT LOVE YOU! Unless and only if you publicly pronounce that Jesus Christ is your personal savior

Otherwise you can all rot in H&ll you Godless Andy LickaDicks!

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

AND Appendicitis, Ingrown Toenails and Hangovers.

By Funny morons®

June 20, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than going to the garage makes you a car.

By Funny morons®

June 20, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

Iraq is sinking FAST!

By Paul

June 20, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

Rev Phelps

Think maybe you could join one of those monasteries where people can’t talk or communicate?

By The Watcher

June 20, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

Paul you get 10 points for that great idea. Just make sure it isn’t the Christian Brothers, there profits would dry up.

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

And snakes —- oooohhhhh, I just loathe snakes, oh, and clowns, what is their purpose only to freak the f!ck out of people?

By raisedanidiot

June 20, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

Why is it an impossible task to bring up the subject of gay rights without bringing religion into it? Why talk about Paul, the Episcopal church, and the most hilarious statement made on this blog, “Too many Atheists and Agnostics just can’t bear to hear about the positive influence of Christianity on Western Civilization”. Its because of this “positive influence” that you conservative, evangelical, right-wingers (whatever you prefer to call yourselves…and feel free to label yourselves as much as possible)are here on this blog arguing that you alone are right and everyone opposed to your core beliefs are therefore, wrong. ALL wars have been fought over one man’s beliefs over another. Isn’t it time now in the year 2007 that we attempt to understand each other, rather than force each other to be a replica of ourselves? I’m still trying to understand why any gay person would want to affiliate themselves with a church that abhores their very nature. Get this people….HOMOSEXUALITY IS NO MORE A MORAL QUESTION THAN HETEROSEXUALITY IS !!! It just is!! Just as you hateful bigots lay down with your fat wives every night, and are not called on the carpet every day of your life for doing so…so should it be for every gay person in America. That is the jux of the matter here folks! Its about equality, human dignity, and yes, its about what is RIGHT! It is right in our country (maybe not Africa) that each and every person is born with the same rights. Blog that Mr. hateful and Rev. nutjob!

By Bumper Sticker

June 20, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

Bosch, this one’s for you!

And I will pray to a big god

As I kneel in the big church

Big time

I’m on my way - I’m making it

Big time

By raisedanidiot

June 20, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

“Otherwise you can all rot in H&ll you Godless Andy LickaDicks!”…this is written by a Reverend? A rev. of what may I ask, “lickadicks go to hell church”?

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

Raisedanidiot, Yes, it would be nice if the topic of gay rights could be discussed without the role religion, but if it weren’t for religion, we wouldn’t have to have the topic of rights for gays and lesbians - it wouldn’t be an issue.

When the topic of gay rights does come up, the ONLY way the evangelical fundamentalists who oppose gay rights IS to use the Bible - and bingo, there you go. Think about it, they have nothing else.

In 50 years we will all look back on this and laugh, kind of like we do now with women’s rights, Civil Rights, etc. Well, some bigots are still out on those subjects, and would like to see them abolished, but you know what I’m saying.

By Jesus

June 20, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By raisedanidiot

June 20, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

I say we all find where “Rev. lickadick” lives and inject him with stem cells until he sees the ghost of Jerry Falwell.

By God

June 20, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

Y’all listen to my boy now.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

June 20, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

-=-

== “And now for something completely Different! ” ==

Not to detract from the “Zealots” here that are trying to pat themselves on the back for being “Holier than Thou’” (or Moi’), but it really is beginning to sound like a bad re-run of Monty Python’s “Life of Brian” in this blog sphere.

So off we go — enough of that - lets be off to challenge the status quo’ with our swords again…. No more dead parrot jokes…

-=-

Recent news has the Chicago Mobsters soon to be paraded in a grandiose courtroom case that sweeps the nation with information of past hit jobs, crimes, pay-offs, extortions, racketeering, gambling, and until now - the real untold stories behind the scenes of the “Grand Old Party” of mob bosses.

Surprisingly (maybe not) the main prosecutor is Patrick J Fitzgerald.

For the most part we can probably finally see the information that Patty O’ Boy’ has gathered with his cases revolving around Jack Abramoff. For those of you un-informed, Jack Abramoff had very close ties to Lombardi especially revolving around the Sun-Cruize events and murder poor ol’ (Subways) Gus.

Of course many GOP members have serious concerns with all of this (and fears of just who may get fingered), as through-out the years they had sought out High Money lobbying ties with these mobsters and associated businesses, etc. May be several shake-ups (shake-downs) come from all this.

Of note is the section about this at the following link: Tom DeLay with Mafia Ties?

Of course many GOP members have serious concerns with all of this (and fears of just who may get fingered), as through-out the years they sought out the High Money lobbying ties with these mobsters and associated businesses, etc.

As another blogger posted - we get to see the rats run for darkness like the Scared Monkeys that they are.

It is good to see a truly honest Republican (Pat Fitzgerald) doing good legal work for the good of this nation.

Cheers - Thomas/PNAC

By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

{{{Online editors at the AJC never intend to incite objectionable comments. They work diligently to remove those which don’t meet the site’s standards. Angela Tuck, Urinal}}}

Yep:

{{{By Rev. Fred Phelps June 20, 2007 2:10 PM I am a sexually repressed gay minister. I love j@cking off while the ushers take up the collection. If you don’t believe me, ask my choir director, he watches.}}}

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

{{{By Ralph June 20, 2007 2:11 Why do we never speak of our Christian heritage? Of the millions who have been torured and slaughtered in the name of Christ?}}}

Wanker: You’re going back 13 centuries to dog Christians on a cartoonists political blog? The same Christians that are most likely descended from the reformists movement and haven’t persecuted anyone in hundreds of years? You got some real pent up frustrations, don’t you think?

Why don’t you get on socialism, which by my count has killed 100,000,000 million people in the last 75 years? Or are you down with sHrillary?

Stroker.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

{{{By Rev. Fred Phelps June 20, 2007 2:28 PM If this was true you should be able to open the Bible anywhere from Genesis to Revelation and find everyone in the Bible going to heaven and receiving nothing but loving attention from God.}}}

Why would God take into Heaven a bunch of foul little pervert liberals that say all kinds of sick and disgusting things about Him on a silly political blog?

Geez.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By raisedanidiot

June 20, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

Bosch, I don’t think I’ll ever laugh over it…I had my three beautiful children taken away from me because I married a woman in Vermont…no, I can’t see ever laughing about it.

By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

{{{By Funny morons® June 20, 2007 3:08 PM Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian any more than going to the garage makes you a car.}}}

Yeah, especially when you are a fat vote pandering pig like sHrillary is, going around telling everyone she’s been saved, the “woman” ain’t never seen the inside of a church except for a black one just before election day.

Hey, if you sucker libs are comfortable being lied to like someone would lie to an idiot, who am I to bitc-h?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

{{{By raisedanidiot June 20, 2007 3:31 PM HOMOSEXUALITY IS NO MORE A MORAL QUESTION THAN HETEROSEXUALITY IS !!! It just is!! Just as you hateful bigots lay down with your fat wives every night, and are not called on the carpet every day of your life for doing so.}}}

WTF are you talking about?

You freak liberals have been away from normal relationships for so long you forgot that it takes a man and a woman to “create” a child and that is why God gave you REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS.

Duh.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By The Watcher

June 20, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

Is somebody on this blog actually posting back and forth to himself?

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

Why would God take into Heaven a bunch of foul little pervert liberals that say all kinds of sick and disgusting things about Him on a silly political blog?

That’s a stupid question you deceitful fraud. He doesn’t.

Here’s a better one - why would my precious Lord and Savior take into Heaven a f@ggot-advocate, Sodomite supporter like yourself that promotes the lie that God loves everyone when I’ve PROVEN that he doesn’t? Better get your ice water ready because He won’t.

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Raisedanidiot, So, I’m assuming your a lesbian?

If so, I’m really sorry to hear that and I certainly didn’t mean any disrespect. I think that is a terrible thing that happened to you.

I’m very in favor of gay and lesbian rights as you can see from my earlier posts (much earlier in this blog because it’s been up for three days now).

My earlier post was to make a point that in 50 years, gay marriage probably, hopefully, will not incite such hatred and bigotry. We can only hope.

By raisedanidiot

June 20, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

Luckodull…you need to go back to sleep zzzzzzzzz you’re not even coherent.

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

And another thing raisedanidiot, you do know that the “Rev.” is a joke, right?

By Mrs. Godzilla

June 20, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

Oh No!

We were given reproductive organs for procreation? As in procreation only? Is every sperm truly sacred

Golly, I may be in a lot of trouble. I only have 3 kids and I’ve done it a bunch more times than that.

Not to mention all the times I’ve done it since menapause.

You’d think if we were only supposed to use our “naughty bits” to make babies, the Intelligent Designer would make somethings fall off or out when the eggs dried up! (a minor design flaw perhaps?)

I better get home and explain all this to Mr.G. This is not good news.

What are we supposed to do instead sit on the couch and watch television?

Yuck!

By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

{{{By Rev. Fred Phelps June 20, 2007 4:27 PM Here’s a better one - why would my precious Lord and Savior take into Heaven a f@ggot-advocate, Sodomite supporter like yourself that promotes the lie that God loves everyone when I’ve PROVEN that he doesn’t?}}}

1) WTF are you talking about?

2) The only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ, Lord and Saviour.

3) What are you trying to prove?

Is persecution of Christians a sport to you, does it get you excited, do you feel like you’re in Salem on a witch hunt?

Geez, you aren’t uncomfortable being a heretic, are you, hahaha?

You liberals ever wonder why you feel so guilty about the things you do, that you have to pay your “penance” for it by “caring” for the environment or some other nonsense, could it possibly be the Soul that God gave you trying to make you stop it?

Duh.

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By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this

Yeah, isn’t Bloomberg a real hardcore Republican:

{{{Throughout his five years as mayor, Bloomberg often has been at odds with his party and [President] Bush. He supports gay marriage, abortion rights, gun control and [federal funding of embryonic] stem cell research and hiked property taxes to help solve a fiscal crisis after the Sept. 11 attacks.}}}

I’m sure he’ll be taking votes away alright, away from the pig woman.

Geez.

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By Bosch

June 20, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Okay, I just re-read my post and I want to make a point of clarification to raisedanidiot —

I’m not sorry to hear that you are a lesbian, one of my favorite and close family members (my cousin) is a lesbian, I’m sorry to hear that you had your children taken away because of that.

I’ve seen a hell of a lot more straight people in my life who need their children taken away from them.

Again, I didn’t mean any disrespect.

By Dusty

June 20, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

Well, is Sunday School over? Nobody burned at the stake yet?

To change the subject a bit, I would like to answer a major philosopical question asked earlier in the day. It was something like…why did 72 people think that the “Couples” cartoon was NOT funny??????

After much research, thought, links, Google and my cat’s opinion on that startling question,here’s the answer.

BECAUSE IT IS NOT FUNNY. Not to mention that the cartoon is so old the characters are turning gray.

Now, may I prop my feet up and relax? I75 traffic was more dense than this blog. All you prophets keep at it. The bliss of some blockheads is called “liberal”. Others call it ignorance.

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla -

You truly are a wonderful woman. You just made my day! I will forever remember the term “naughty bits.”

I think I’m in trouble as well.

By Mrs. Godzilla

June 20, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Has the baby dropped yet?

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Dusty calling someone ignorant is like the pot calling the kettle black.

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 4:55 PM | Link to this

Are you completely stupid as well as a charlatan? I just provided paragraph after paragraph after paragraph that PROVES YOU ARE A LIAR when you say God Loves the Sinner, but Hates the Sin!

Are you now going to deny in front on my Holy Father that you didn’t say it and you don’t believe it?

Are you now going to deny in front of my beloved Jesus that you don’t think homosexuals should burn in hell?

You better think very carefully before you answer those questions.

By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

Look at this idiot appeasing the “god” of political correctness.

{{{By Bosch June 20, 2007 4:44 PM Again, I didn’t mean any disrespect.}}}

Say your “hail mary’s” idiot.

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By Bosch

June 20, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

Mrs. G, Shhhhhh. You’re going to get us in trouble!

I mean, yes, yes, the baby is almost here!

By raisedanidiot

June 20, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

Bosch…absolutely none taken…I wasn’t going off on you..just want people to understand that gay rights are about more than just what people do in their bedroom. My children never saw me as a lesbian, reprobate, morally reprehensible, or anything like that…I am just their mom…which they haven’t seen for seven years… as for the rev….so is this guy just yanking chains, or is he really that stupid?

By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

{{{By Mrs. Godzilla June 20, 2007 4:40 PM Golly, I may be in a lot of trouble. I only have 3 kids and I’ve done it a bunch more times than that.}}}

Goldilocks: You’re blonde, aren’t you?

Try to follow along, if you had read the Bible, like you said you did, I wouldn’t have to explain this.

God CREATED, there’s that word again, the Blessed Union between a man and a woman and with that, conveyed all of the gifts of their love upon them.

Yes, unfortunately, man has also learned to take advantage of these gifts and abuse them, go figure.

To say that everybody sins so homosexuality is acceptable is juvenile and immature at best.

Just because Islamic loonies murder innocent people gives you the right to murder innocent people?

Um, duh.

To tell you the truth it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see you liberals jumping off a bridge just because the first guy was progressive enough to do it.

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By Bumper Sticker

June 20, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

{as for the rev….so is this guy just yanking chains, or is he really that stupid?}

It is always hard to tell with some of these ultra right-wing insane asylum freaks here, but I think someone is just having a bit of fun with our resident sociopath, LuckoDull.

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

SODOMY IS AN ABOMINABLE SIN, WORTHY OF DEATH.

“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Leviticus 20:13.

“Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.” Romans 1:32.

See also Leviticus 18:22, Genesis 19, Romans 1:18-32, I Corinthians 6:9-11, I Timothy 1:10, and Jude 7.

By raisedanidiot

June 20, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

So are any of you nutjobs going to rebut me on gay rights NOT being a moral issue…I’m waiting…haven’t got all day…get your bibles out quick!

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

LuckoDull, I still await your answers. Either you agree that they are to be cast into hell or you are going there yourself! And your cowardly silence is not going to save you! Read on reprobate.

SODOMITES ARE PROUD OF THEIR SIN (“GAY PRIDE”), AND IN THAT PRIDEFUL STATE THEY CANNOT REPENT - YOU CANNOT REPENT OF SOMETHING YOU’RE PROUD OF.

“Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.” Jeremiah 6:15. See also Jeremiah 13:23, Romans 1:24-32, Ezekiel 16:49-50, etc.

THE SODOMITES’ ONLY HOPE IS TO HAVE THE UNAMBIGUOUS TRUTH PREACHED TO THEM, AND PERHAPS GOD WILL SOFTEN THEIR HEARTS AND GRANT THEM REPENTANCE TO DEPART FROM THEIR SIN AND NAME THE NAME OF CHRIST. NOT VERY LIKELY, THOUGH, SINCE GOD HAS GIVEN THEM UP.

“Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” II Timothy 2:19. “Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness…unto vile affections…to a reprobate mind.” Romans 1:24-28. See also II Timothy 2:24-26, Psalm 5:5, I Corinthians 6:9-11, Acts 17:30, Jude 22,23, etc.

THERE IS A HELL WHERE ALL IMPENITENT SINNERS WILL RESIDE FOR ALL ETERNITY. THAT INCLUDES SODOMITES AND THOSE WHO REFUSE TO ELIMINATE THEM (CALLED “DOGS”).

“And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.” Isaiah 66:24. “For without are dogs…” Revelation 22:15. See also Mark 9:44, Luke 16:23, Revelation 20:15.

By Dusty

June 20, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

Bosch 4:43

Please try to use something original. That old “pot and kettle” line went out of vogue after Luckovich used it when he pictured US troops as traitorous torturers. Just a bit of his liberal fun, you know..kinda like yours.

By Paul

June 20, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

Bosch

Didn’t mean to ignore your earlier post - my response dropped. Quick catchup:

re: your comment about John/Revelation: again, that’s what happens when Western literalists read Eastern symbolism.

re Paul & Apostles: Yeah, well he was educated, a Pharisee and at the top of his game. Came from a different direction than the fishermen. Without him we wouldn’t have had much in the way of manuscripts (corrupted though they may be - but the essential concepts still get through). I read him as pretty self assured - impelled the shift of break from Jewish traditions - Jerusalem conference brought it to a head - new converts didn’t need to abide by dietary restrictions, circumcision, etc. After that they likely got on fine - if they ever saw each other much.

But enough of that. Congrats mostly to your wife for your impending arrival - she’s doing most of the work! You have no idea what’s in store! :)

BTW - gay marriage thing - plenty of folks (and some friends who are in “partnerships”) would be just as happy if the whole marriage term were dropped (the ultraleft and religious right are quite happy to keep the “marriage” topic alive - keeps the money and power alive) and a move were made towards domestic partnerships - with legislation providing another term with rights of survivorship, alimony, child support, property rights, adoptions, health/welfare rights, etc. Most of the discussions I follow also have hetero couples hear that and say, yeah? So? That’s fine.

People get so hung up on words. Some have a specific meaning, others want to take those words and assign whatever definition serves their purpose - like Progressive?

By raisedanidiot

June 20, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

O.k., forget it…I’m sorry I said anything…its no fun arguing with the insane…I’m just kind of floored that someone that insane is able to negotiate a computer.

By Buy Danish

June 20, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

Ridiculous Rushncap,

From your own link. It would behoove you to read it:

In summary, then, Jefferson was a deist because he believed in one God, in divine providence, in the divine moral law, and in rewards and punishments after death; but did not believe in supernatural revelation. He was a Christian deist because he saw Christianity as the highest expression of natural religion and Jesus as an incomparably great moral teacher. He was not an orthodox Christian because he rejected, among other things, the doctrines that Jesus was the promised Messiah and the incarnate Son of God. Jefferson’s religion is fairly typical of the American form of deism in his day.

AND

{{{ Jefferson used deist terminology in repeatedly stating his belief in a creator, and in the United States Declaration of Independence used the terms “Creator” and “Nature’s God”. Jefferson believed, furthermore, it was this Creator that endowed humanity with a number of inalienable rights, such as “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”.}}}

In summary, he was raised a Protestant, He followed the teachings of Christ, he had an affinity toward Unitarianism because he did not believe in the Holy Trinity, he believed that we are endowed by our Creator with inalienable rights, et cetera.

Is that what Atheists and Agnostics believe, Munchkin? How about Islamists? Communists? Maoists?

I think not, sweetie pie.

I’ll be back to “deconstruct” your assertions about George Washington.

By Clementine

June 20, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

Since Vermont has never had gay marriage anyone that went there for a civil union resulting in the loss of their children would remember that trivial detail. I’m calling BS on the raisedanidiot loser.

By LMAO

June 20, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

Oh my God! Imagine if say Hillary used the term “Nature’s God”

The evanjellycas would have a fit. Blasphemy!

Friggen Jefferson liberals.

By GodHatesTrash

June 20, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this

Lickodull moved to Georgia because sodomy is part of everyday Georgia family life.

In Marietta, where POS Andi/e lives, shemales like Andi/e are the rule rather than they exception. When other men might shake hands, Andi/e loosens their zippers.

God hates trash like POS Andi/e.

By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

The fact that science is many years away from properly understanding global climate doesn’t seem to bother our leaders at all. Inviting testimony only from those who don’t question political orthodoxy on the issue, parliamentarians are charging ahead with the impossible and expensive goal of “stopping global climate change.” Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into its weakest Schwabe solar cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to unusually cool conditions on Earth. Beginning to plan for adaptation to such a cool period, one which may continue well beyond one 11-year cycle, as did the Little Ice Age, should be a priority for governments. It is global cooling, not warming, that is the major climate threat to the world, especially Canada. As a country at the northern limit to agriculture in the world, it would take very little cooling to destroy much of our food crops, while a warming would only require that we adopt farming techniques practiced to the south of us.

Ummm, more coal burning factories to belch smog and keep us warm?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Duh.

Cowards.

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By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

{{{By God’s Trash June 20, 2007 6:00 PM In Marietta, where POS Andi/e lives, shemales like Andi/e are the rule rather than they exception. When other men might shake hands, Andi/e loosens their zippers.}}}

There must be something really wrong with homosexuals, huh, God’s Trash? You sure seem to despise them.

Did you copy that “raisedanidiot?”

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By Bumper Sticker

June 20, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

The band Spirit’s ode about BD - “It’s the God of Natures Way of telling you somethings wrong.”

By LMAO

June 20, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

Nature’s God would probably be against the things we are doing to nature. Don’t you agree Andy?

By Dusty

June 20, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,5:44

Are you sure that rushncap has heard of George Washington? I thought he mentioned that the American Revolution just “happened” without a leader. I’ve been gone all day so maybe I missed some revelation.

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

LuckoDull, it’s been nearly an hour and a half and I still await your answers. Are you afraid to finally come out of the closet? Either you agree that the homosexuals are to be cast into hell or you are going there yourself! And again the Lord Jesus Christ is aware of your cowardly silence. It is not going to save you! SPEAK UP ONE WAY OR ANOTHER YOU POLE-SMOKING IDOLIZER.

Sodomites are wicked and sinners before the Lord exceedingly (Gen. 13:13), are violent and doom nations (Gen. 19:1-25; Jgs. 19), are abominable to God (Lev. 18:22), are worthy of death for their vile, depraved, unnatural sex practices (Lev. 20:13; Rom. 1:32), are called dogs because they are filthy, impudent and libidinous (Deut. 23:17,18; Mat. 7:6; Phil. 3:2), produce by their very presence in society a kind of mass intoxication from their wine made from grapes of gall from the vine of Sodom and the fields of Gomorrah which poisons society’s mores with the poison of dragons and the cruel venom of asps (Deut. 32:32,33), declare their sin and shame on their countenance (Isa. 3:9), are shameless and unable to blush (Jer. 6:15), are workers of iniquity and hated by God (Psa. 5:5), are liars and murderers (Jn. 8:44), are filthy and lawless (2 Pet. 2:7,8), are natural brute beasts (2 Pet. 2:12), are dogs eating their own vomit and sows wallowing in their own feces (2 Pet. 2:22), will proliferate at the end of the world bringing final judgment on mankind (Lk. 17:28-30), have been finally given up by God to uncleanness dishonoring their own bodies among themselves, to vile affections, and to a reprobate mind such that they cannot think straight about anything (Rom. 1:23-28), have wholly given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh (Jude 7), must be pulled as f* from the fire (Jude 23), and have no hope of Heaven unless they repent (Rev. 22:15), which they can’t do in their prideful state (Jer. 6:15). They need to hear this truth if they are to have any hope of penitence, faith in Jesus Christ and salvation (I Timothy 4:2-4).

By GodHatesTrash

June 20, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

“Buy Danish” is actually an obese bisexual woman from Copenhagen that has a big crush on the shemale POS Andi/e. Her perversion is beyond normal comprehension, including all sorts of food fetishes, especially chocolate pudding.

God hates trash like Bi Danish. While she will rightfully burn for eternity in a lake of fire, let’s hope for Christ’s mercy for her young son.

By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

Wrapping it up:

{{{“The citizens received the valiant Iraqi army forces with overwhelming joy as the soldiers were waving to them with the V for victory sign,” the ministry said in a statement. The head of a Sunni insurgent group that has turned against Al Qaeda and is cooperating with U.S. and Iraqi forces in the area said his fighters were participating in the operations and had succeeded in clearing several neighborhoods in eastern and western Baqouba.}}}

About time for you Cowards to start screaming for our surrender, ain’t it?

POS.

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By Deport 12 million scumbags

June 20, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

Even though this “Reverend” is repulsive to the point of being nauseating, he really shows how easy it has always been to hide evil behind a cloak of Christianity. And in some ways he’s kind of refreshing.

At least with this slimeball you know where he stands. A sycophantic fraud like LuckoDull hasn’t the balls to come out and admit that he feels essentially the same way. Instead he shuffles daily to the dance of hate and complete intolerance but without the courage to sing the words. And the POS sometimes even pretends that he loves Jesus and actually cares about anyone but himself. And in some ways that is even more disgusting.

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

I’m still waiting for your answers LuckoDull, you fudge-packer!

Matthew Shepard has been in hell for 3174 days.

Diane Whipple has been in hell for 2337 days.

Deal with it! All else is trivial and unimportant. All the f@g caterwauling, candlelight vigils, court orders, etc., can’t buy these perverts one drop of water to cool their tongues.

F@gs shamelessly use the deaths of f@gs to promote their sodomite agenda.

By rushncap

June 20, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

Muffin, what on earth are you babbling about? I simply stated that Jefferson was not a Christian (hard to be one when you don’t believe Jesus is the messiah, honey). I never said he was an atheist, dimwit. I don’t believe any of the things he believed, but he was certainly no kin to you either. And don’t worry about “deconstructing” anything about Washington. I’m sure you’ll trot out another “expert” like Limbaugh, or maybe Rove or Goering. No thanks.

Dusters — remember, you can’t use the verb “think” when referring to anything you do. Just keep that in, erm, “mind” for next time.

By Buy Danish

June 20, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

From Washington’s Farewell Address. (Also see his First Inaugural Address) -

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness — these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

No Atheism here, and one could try to include Islam except that Islam does not believe in liberty, so we’re back to Judeo-Christian values.

By the way, in those occasional visits to churches, did you meet any Snake handlers or Bible thumpers? How about enraged bigots?

Speaking for myself, I’ve yet to experience the Secular Hollywood propaganda version of Christianity that movies such “Inherit the Wind” put forth.

By LuckoDull

June 20, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

{{{By scumbags June 20, 2007 6:24 PM Instead he shuffles daily to the dance of hate and complete intolerance but without the courage to sing the words.}}}

Excuse me, but we have absolute proof that God’s Trash hates gays, but yet you think I might and you are all upset about it.

Is this one of those Joe Biden deals where he can demean black people because he speaks out against demeaning black people?

Forgive me if I fail to see your sincerity.

Haha.

You libs are so full of it it’s coming out of your ears.

Wanker.

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By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this

Bi Danish you carpet-munching d** lover.

George Washington has been in hell for 208 years.

Thomas Jefferson has been in hell for 181 years.

Deal with it! All else is trivial and unimportant. All your supposed anti-f@g caterwauling, stupid nonsense about their supposed belief in Christianity, etc., won’t buy a pervert like you one drop of water to cool your tongue.

By rushncap

June 20, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

Delusional Muffin — did I EVER say that Washington or Jefferson were atheist? Are you on the same planet as the rest of us, honey? Honestly now, let’s get you some treatment… I said they were “atheists of the 18th century”, meaning they were as un-religious as you basically got back then. In today’s world most of them would almost certainly be atheists / agnostics.

And you know nothing of Islam (neither do I, actually), so your arguments about that are null and void.

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 20, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

{but yet you think I might}

Might?!!! MIGHT?!!!

Either admit right now that the qu&&rs are going to burn or they’re not. That will answer the question once and for all, won’t it, a$$ bandit?

By The Final Word

June 20, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

That mean old Rev. Phelps sure has our poor little Andy Frizzbomb in a dilemma doesn’t he? Does the AJC’s paragon of Love and Compassion admit that he hates the homos and knows they’re all hell bound or does he continue his pitiful charade of faux tolerance?

And what of his being called a liar about saying God loves everyone? Will he ever answer the Reverend’s questions?

Stay tuned boys and girls, looks like this one is just heating up! Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

By Bosch

June 20, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

Paul, Oh my goodness, the other Bosch isn’t pregnant, Mrs. G and I were being sarcastic. I have three children. Don’t need anymore. It’s hard to tell if you were serious or not.

Paul was indeed a Pharasee, a really nasty one too from all I’ve read. He was also quite the mystic after his trip to Damascus. That dream or vision had quite a profound effect on him. We can discuss later……….

Have a great evening!

By Buy Danish

June 20, 2007 7:08 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

This thread is too overloaded at the moment so it is impossible for me to search through your original comments.

In essence you stated first that you don’t know any Christians, that you later claimed that the Founders weren’t very religious and were radicals.

Clearly you are implying that this Country would be just as great and free a Republic it had been founded by Atheists, Islamists, or Wiccans.

That is utter nonsense.

Judeo-Christian values and religous beliefs are inextricably tied to our Founding documents which were the product of our Founding Fathers.

They were raised as Christians (mostly Protestants), and in one way or another (some more orthodox than others) they looked to Christ and a Creator for guidance, and believed that our rights were endowed, not by man, but by our creator.

That is what distinguishes us from other nations despite the best efforts of the ACLU and the secular progressive movement to rewrite history.

All I ask of secularists such as yourself is that you not destroy the foundations which made us the great nation that we are.

Other than that, I could not care less about your personal religious beliefs.

By rushncap

June 20, 2007 7:29 PM | Link to this

Muffin, since you’re obviously incapable of reading comprehension, I don’t feel like wasting more time digesting things for you too slowly.

So here are simple facts. Yes, our founders were radicals. Yes they were, on average, less religious than the general population of America at the time. Yes they established an explicitly non-Christian (not to be confused with anti-Christian) country. Yes, they did not want this country as a whole to be religiously affiliated, because they were very wary of centuries of religious persecutions in their countries of origin (all of them explicitly Christian countries, btw). Yes they were heavily influenced by the enlightenment and by humanistic ideas of people like John Locke. These are simple facts that no serious historian (note: you and, snicker!, Limbaugh don’t count as such) disputes. Deal with it, Muffin.

I don’t deal with hypotheticals, so I don’t know (and neither do you, of course) what would’ve happened if America was founded by atheists of Wiccans. I do have a pretty good idea what would’ve happened to America had it been founded by fundies such as yourself, but, luckily, your Puritanical brethren were not anywhere near leadership positions of the Revolution.

By Deport 12 million scumbags

June 20, 2007 7:46 PM | Link to this

{Judeo-Christian values and religous beliefs are inextricably tied to our Founding documents}

Reeeaaaalllly? How bout just “Christian” values? Anti-semitism was very much alive and well in the colonies you dolt.

Colonial governor Peter Stuyvesant, upon complaints, attempted to have the Jews expelled. He wrote a letter to the directors of the Dutch West India Company dated September 22, 1654:

The Jews who have arrived would nearly all like to remain here, but learning that they (with their customary usury and deceitful trading with the Christians) were very repugnant to the inferior magistrates, as also to the people having the most affection for you; the Deaconry also fearing that owing to their present indigence they might become a charge in the coming winter, we have, for the benefit of this weak and newly developing place and the land in general, deemed it useful to require them in a friendly way to depart, praying also most seriously in this connection, for ourselves as also for the general community of your worships, that the deceitful race—such hateful enemies and blasphemers of the name of Christ—be not allowed to further infect and trouble this new colony to the detraction of your worships and the dissatisfaction of your worships’ most affectionate subjects.

By GodHatesTrash

June 21, 2007 6:35 AM | Link to this

The ugly truth about Lickodull and the other girls is that they will burn for eternity in a lake of fire - their God is a mean angry sumb-itch and He’ll have no part of their homosexuality, bestiality, fornication, mast-urbation, swine-eating ways.

Trash of an angry God.

By LuckoDull

June 21, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this

Does anyone else find it utterly ridiculous that a “cartoonist” has to take a week off from the daily grind of drawing his usual first grade skill level “Bush Sucks” pictures?

Is this a mental rehabilitation?

Has luckovich come to realize, like the rest of America, that democrats suck even more than Bush does, hahaha.

Is his whole world in a shambles and he just can’t go on?

Geez.

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Congratulations losers, you broke the record:

{{{Just 14% of Americans have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in Congress. This 14% Congressional confidence rating is the all-time low for this measure, which Gallup initiated in 1973. The previous low point for Congress was 18% at several points in the period of time 1991 to 1994.}}}

I honestly didn’t think it was possible, being that there is a certain percentage of slack jawed, beady eyed hardcore little democrat toadies, but it looks like you lost some of them too.

Geez.

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{{{Iraq’s Kurdish leaders said last night they had struck an important deal with the central government in Baghdad over a law to divide up Iraq’s oil revenues, which is seen by the Bush administration as one of the benchmarks in attempts to foster national reconciliation.}}}

You’re gonna hate 07®.

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{{{ The Times called for the prosecutors to investigate the source of assumed White House leaks to the press. As a consequence, one journalist was jailed and others were threatened. The Times in its partisan zeal against the Bush White House actually managed to reduce freedom of the press and open a new avenue for government coercion of journalists. From the plagiarisms of Jayson Blair to this latest reckless partisanship, the Times continues to be its own worst enemy.}}}

Like they care about the damages they do, either to themselves or the country, please.

These traitors will only be satisfied with the total destruction of American society.

These people hate themselves because they were born here.

It’s sick, retarded.

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By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 8:20 AM | Link to this

Don’t ask, don’t tell. Part II

By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this

Remember when Bill “video diagnosis” Frist was going to run for President? Oh, how we wish he’d followed through — if there’s room enough for Jim Gilmore at the far end of the debate stage surely we can squeeze our favorite cat butcher up there too.

Alas, he’s decided to join academia instead. Typical liberal, heading off to fill the minds of our children with his leftist lies.

—“We are very pleased to welcome Bill Frist back to Princeton and the Woodrow Wilson School,” said Anne-Marie Slaughter, dean of the school. “His years of experience in public service as a doctor and as a leader in the U.S. Senate make him an ideal practitioner-professor. Our students will benefit from his perspectives both as a healer and as Senate majority leader.”—

Frist will teach a graduate course on the sanctity of life or something, in his role as Frederick H. Schultz Class of 1951 Professor of International Economic Policy and Gorilla Surgery.

Let’s hope the students “benefit” more from his perspective as a Senate majority leader, because Frist lost his license to be a “healer” last year.

It seems that diagnosing patients via video tape didn’t really catch on in the medical community.

By Scooter

June 21, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this

Climate stability has never been a feature of planet Earth. The only constant about climate is change; it changes continually and, at times, quite rapidly. Many times in the past, temperatures were far higher than today, and occasionally, temperatures were colder. As recently as 6,000 years ago, it was about 3C warmer than now. Ten thousand years ago, while the world was coming out of the thou-sand-year-long “Younger Dryas” cold episode, temperatures rose as much as 6C in a decade — 100 times faster than the past century’s 0.6C warming that has so upset environmentalists.

Scientific libs sure do want to stifle any and all questioning of their global warming theory, but isn’t questioning the foundation of science? Maleable minds are a great asset for power hungry politicians. Just like the minds that run around saying Bush bans embryonic stem cell research or relaxed nonexistent mercury regulations. We want America to invest in alternative fuels but we want government to keep petro-gas prices low, thereby making petro-gas the most cost effective. source

By Mrs. Godzilla

June 21, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

After reading yesterdays “discussion” I come away with the strong feeling that we must restore, protect and defend our secular government!

I interpret the evidence to show that our founding fathers and mothers knew the difference between Godliness and Relgiousity and built the framework of this great nation with this is mind.

If you want to live in a theocratic state - you might want to consider finding one that suits your “sects-u-ality” and investigate their immigration policy.

If you decide you want to stay here in the land of the free, the rest of us will be tolerant of your religious rites as long as they do not interfere with our constitutional rights.

Gotta go….water polo anyone?

By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this

“sects-u-ality” HAHAHAHAHA - good one Mrs. Godzillza!

By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

Same ship, different rat.

It’s not even Friday and people are still quitting the Bush Administration! Budget director Rob Portman is the latest to dive off the USS White House, leaving after just two years — first as “trade representative” and then as Josh Bolten’s replacement as budget chief.

By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this

Observations

It’s illegal for anyone in the White House to delete their email but deleting it is a lot less illegal than the things they write email about. And nice try with those hotmail accounts, guys.

Bush routinely ignores the bills he signs into law, and for some reason this is news.

And after he’s done doubling Guantanamo, Mitt Romney is going to recruit a jillion more soldiers and bring freedom to every country that isn’t yet on fire.

There’s pretty much no one left who hasn’t joined the “ Karl Rove f@cked things up” bandwagon.

The political advantage in not having the president campaign for you is that you have a better chance at not losing the election.

By LuckoDull

June 21, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this

Geez:

MSNBC.com identified 144 journalists who made political contributions from 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaign, according to the public records of the Federal Election Commission. Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left: 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 17 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties. The donors include CNN’s Guy Raz, now covering the Pentagon for NPR, who gave to Kerry the same month he was embedded with U.S. troops in Iraq; New Yorker war correspondent George Packer; a producer for Bill O’Reilly at Fox; MSNBC TV host Joe Scarborough; political writers at Vanity Fair; the editor of The Wall Street Journal’s weekend edition; local TV anchors in Washington, Minneapolis, Memphis and Wichita; the ethics columnist at The New York Times; and even MTV’s former presidential campaign correspondent.

Gosh, I’ll bet that they are real fair in their reporting too.

This is proof positive that the drive by media slants the news in favor of their candidates, when you give up money from your own pocket it is a sure indication of where your heart lies.

And who does “IN THE PROPAGANDA” get his sources from?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, it’s all BS.

Duh.

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By Seeker

June 21, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

I am interested in Bloomberg, but can’t find any thing concrete on his positions. Tried his website….any help out there?

By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this

Tim Russert said this morning that he has talked to some of Bloomberg’s people.

Bloomberg’s point is that people in D.C. don’t talk about real issues, which is largely true. Then, they reinforce what Bloomberg says by talking about every aspect of a potential run — except for the issues he’s pushing. Classic.

By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

Bush trying to deport wife of missing US solder in Iraq

Where’s her “amnesty”? Oh that’s right. She isn’t Mexican.

By reebok

June 21, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

13 of our troops killed in Bush’s War today. At least the Little Alcoholic feels good about himself though.

I wonder if every other newspaper in the country has decided to just ignore the war like the AJC does? Last week I had to flip to page A7 to discover that we’d lost 5 soldiers and a freaking F-16. Are they letting Sean Hannity pick the fron-page stories?

By Fly-on-the-wall

June 21, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

I’m happy to see that the President has a solution to the Global Climate change issue - http://www.theonion.com/content/news/addressingclimatecrisis_bush

By LuckoDull

June 21, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

{{{By reebok June 21, 2007 9:15 AM I wonder if every other newspaper in the country has decided to just ignore the war like the AJC does? Last week I had to flip to page A7 to discover that we’d lost 5 soldiers and a freaking F-16. Are they letting Sean Hannity pick the fron-page stories?}}}

Hey, why don’t you go get your jollies on Al Jazeera, POS?

“Bush’s war,” what a little prick.

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By IN THE NEWS

June 21, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

GOOD MORNING TO YOU TO LUCKODULL

HOW PROUD WE ARE THAT YOU HAVE FINALLY MASTERED POSTING A LINK WITH A SOURCE!

AND GREAT INFORMATION TO BOOT!

GOOD FOR YOU!

BUT IT LEADS ME TO THE QUESTION -

WHERE DO POLITICAL DONATIONS GO TO FOR LET’S SAY, MATT DRUDGE? BRIT HUME? MATTHEWS? BILL O’WHATHISNAME? BRODER? COULTER? MALKIN? DOBBS?KURTZ? AILES? MURDOCH? SAVAGE? LIMBAUGH? BOORTZ? KING? MITCHELL? HANNITY? PRUDEN? ROBERTS? ALLEN? CARLSON?

WILL THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION INDICATE WHERE THEIR HEARTS LIE ALSO? DOES THAT INDICATE THEI BIAS AS WELL? IS THERE EQUALITY BETWEEN THE GOOSE AND THE GANDER?

ANYWAY MAY ALL OF YOUR PERSONALITIES HAVE A GREAT DAY!

By RW-(the original)

June 21, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

Hey Moron,

Bill Frist didn’t lose his medical license. Do you lunatics ever read beyond the initial headlines or follow a story to it’s conclusion?

/that was a rhetorical question, I know you don’t and probably can’t.

By IN THE NEWS

June 21, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

House halts funds for new nuclear warhead

By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Good morning RW/Buy Dhimmi.

By IN THE NEWS

June 21, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Commentary: Re-open investigation of Abu Ghraib

By LuckoDull

June 21, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

{{{The 10,000-man operation reported in the Baquba area is only one part of a broader effort. In the words of a well-placed officer in Baghdad, “Operations like that are going on around Fallujah, Salman Pak, in Eastern Anbar, the belts around Baghdad, in Arab Jabour, outside of Taji and throughout the Diyala River Valley.”}}}

All over the damn country, in other words.

But in this country, the spineless wormy little Cowards in America will soon be on their own little “offensive:”

{{{Political hucksterism and poll-pandering on Capitol Hill amount to stabbing our troops in the back. Period. The insistence that success or failure will be determined beyond doubt by September is pure political quackery.}}}

POS Al Qaeda womenfolk.

Cowards.

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By Paul

June 21, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

Funny Morons 9:07

[[Bush trying to deport wife of missing US solder in Iraq]]

Wow! Do you happen to know who Pres Bush telephoned to make this happen? Or did he send a letter to someone at Immigration or Homeland Security and say “Get this missing GI’s wife out of the country?” Do you happen to know if Pres Bush took a trip to the Army Personnel Center and looked through all the records of all the Army troops, then took that information and went over to Immigration & Naturalization and cross-referenced all their records to see which spouses aren’t citizens?

No wonder nothing’s getting done - Pres Bush is up to his eyeballs in paperwork -

By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Keep Calm and Carry On: sage advice from a sane wartime government Back in WWII.

When the UK was being pounded by daily barrages of high-explosive, the government’s message to the people was Keep Calm and Carry On. Not “OMG TERRISTS GONNA KILL US ALL OMG OMG ALERT LEVEL BLOODRED RUN RUN TAKE OFF YOUR SHOES MOISTURE BOMBS OMG!”

Now you can get it on a shirt, and remember a time when governments tried to keep citizens safe by making them secure, instead of scaring the sh!t out of them.

By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

Here’s a link for the shirt

By IN THE NEWS

June 21, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

Bin Laden may have arranged family’s US exit: FBI docs

By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Gee Paul - a little snarky this morning? I’m sure you’re intelligent enough to know what I meant. Next time I’ll spell out THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION for you.

All better now?

By LuckoDull

June 21, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

{{{By IN THE PROPAGANDA June 21, 2007 9:35 AM HOW PROUD WE ARE THAT YOU HAVE FINALLY MASTERED POSTING A LINK WITH A SOURCE!}}}

In honor of you Prop, here’s Ann:

Admittedly, Nifong studiously refused to take a peek at the evidence. On March 29, 2006, he told reporters he knew a rape had occurred based on — I quote — “my reading of the report of the emergency-room nurse.” That report was not given to the police until April 5, 2006, making it the equivalent of the forged Nigerian letter Joe Wilson claims to have debunked eight months before it surfaced at the CIA.

Coward.

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By mike

June 21, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Let’s see. Congress’s approval rating fell to 14%, a historic low. Despite this, Mikey still has yet to draw a single cartoon addressing this Congress.

Hey Mikey, are you “living in a bubble”? When are you going to start “speaking truth to power”? What will happen if a Dem wins the white house? Publish blank squares?

By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Only in a red state…

By Can't Resist

June 21, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

We bought a new Lexus 350 last week but had to return to the dealer the next day because we couldn’t get the radio to work. The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.

“Nelson,” the salesman said to the radio. The radio replied, “Ricky or Willie?” “Willie!” he continued and “On the Road Again” came from the speakers. Then he said, “Ray Charles!”, and in an instant “Georgia On My Mind” replaced Willie Nelson. We drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time we’d say “Beethoven,” we’d get beautiful classical music, and if I said, “Beatles” I’d get one of their awesome songs.

Yesterday, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new car, but I swerved in time to avoid them. I yelled, “A$$ H0les!” Immediately “Hail to the Chief” began to play, sung by George Bush and Dick Cheney, backed up by Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity, with John McCain on guitar, Karl Rove on drums, Tony Snow on harmonica, Mitch McConnell on tambourine, Alberto Gonzales on spoons, Bill O’Reilly on sax and Rush Limbaugh on OxyContin.

Damn, I LOVE this car!!

By In other words

June 21, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

The Bush administration’s anti-science neo-cons sure do want to stifle any and all investigations of the global warming theory, but isn’t questioning the foundation of science and a free government?

Over the past year, several U.S. government climate scientists, including James Hansen, director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, and Tom Knutson, a NOAA scientist whose research shows a connection between global warming and hurricane intensity—have accused the Bush administration of silencing them and censoring their work.

By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

…while Americans are fat and happy with no real connection to Bush’s deadly oil war.

By Paul

June 21, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Funny Morons 10:15

Actually, no. Just used a bit of hyperbole and sarcasm in response to the “Bush did this and Bush did that” that is so overused.

I said “no” those cases are handled by career bureaucrats and the cases are heard by judges. Those people will continue to roll on regardless of who’s occupying the oval office. Frankly, they probably took the attitude “we may be sympathetic to your husband’s plight but the law says this and the procedures say that and we just can’t make exceptions…”

That’s when it’s appropriate for the Congressperson to step in - Army commander can’t really do a darn thing other than provide the spouse and lawyer with information to help their case.

But “Bureaucrats trying to deport wife of missing US soldier” just doesn’t make the Bush Administration look bad -

Did you notice in the article the Feds didn’t have a clue until the soldier did the right thing and followed procedures in petitioning for a green card and legal status? SNAFUs like this really encourage people to step forward, don’t they? //more sarc//

By Dusty

June 21, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

Funny Morons/Liberal Loser/ IN THE NEWS/PoFo/GHT

Your comments here are about as outdated as the cartoon. Do you EVER get any new ideas? I mean something beyond bashing the government of the USA and making suggestive remarks about the President? Even that innocuous dinosaur Ms. Godzilla is more entertaining than you and can tell lies just as well.

This blog has become a relic of repetitious liberal litanies, a cartoon fossil and a waste of time; not to mention the slowest antiquated server in present electronics. It is typical of liberal “management”.

By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Sorry Dusty - I didn’t realize that the point of this blog was to entertain you.

I’ll strive to do better in the future.

By Paul

June 21, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

By in other words 10:32

[[isn’t questioning the foundation of science and a free government?]]

Of course! Now that you’ve pointed out difficulties with some in the Bush Administration, would you care to enlighten us on the plight of scientists and others (some on this blog) who question the suppositions, conclusions and motives of the “mankind causes global warming” crowd?

By Missed Manners

June 21, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

“”This blog has become a relic of repetitious liberal litanies, a cartoon fossil and a waste of time; not to mention the slowest antiquated server in present electronics. It is typical of liberal “management”.”“

Thanks for your gracious farewell Dusty old girl!

Don’t let the door hit ya’, where the good Lord split ya’!

By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

“This blog has become a relic of repetitious liberal litanies, a cartoon fossil and a waste of time; not to mention the slowest antiquated server in present electronics. It is typical of liberal “management”.” -Dusty

And yet you still show up EVERY day with your faux patriotism professing your undying love for our “illustrious” leader.

By IN THE NEWS

June 21, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Giuliani Skipped ISG Meetings For Motivational Events Featuring ‘Christianity’ And ‘Pumping Music’

By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

Paul 10:34

Good point in your last paragraph. On a similar note I can’t believe that all the illegal Mexicans are chomping at the bit to pay their $5,000 fine and go back to Mexico for a chance to enter legally.

Please correct me if I’m misinterpreted the amnesty bill that Bush is pushing so hard for.

By In other words

June 21, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

Funny Morons, et al.

Your comments here are as treasonous as the cartoonist. Will I EVER get over my constipation? I mean something beyond hating almost all free speech in the USA and wishing to silence all remarks about the President unless they praise him? Mrs. Godzilla can’t lie nearly as well as I can and is vastly more entertaining that I could ever hope to be.

My “contributions” to this blog have always been a relic of repetitious neo-con nonsense, a cartoon hater who’d love to hang you traitors and a waste of time; not to mention I’m slowest antiquated thinker in present day America. I am typical of neo-con “problem solvers”.

By IN THE NEWS

June 21, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

It was a casual shot across the bow, a shrugged comment last week from Senate Minority Whip Trent Lott (R-Miss.): Advocates of an immigration overhaul would have to “deal” with talk-radio hosts who he said don’t know what is in the legislation but want to kill it nonetheless.

By MomCat

June 21, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

((By IN THE NEWS June 21, 2007 9:35 AM BUT IT LEADS ME TO THE QUESTION - WHERE DO POLITICAL DONATIONS GO TO FOR LET’S SAY, MATT DRUDGE? BRIT HUME? MATTHEWS? BILL O’WHATHISNAME? BRODER? COULTER? MALKIN? DOBBS?KURTZ? AILES? ))

Good point In The News. I’m sure their donations will go to the Clinton, Edwards or Obama campaign. Yea right! Hahaha!!!

By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

“I thought it would work, but then after a month or two I realized the idea that I was possibly going to run for president would be inconsistent with that,”

Good show of integrity there Rudy.

By Paul

June 21, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

Funny Morons

That’s pretty much how I see it. Strikes me in much the same vein as health savings accounts - when the average household income is in the mid-40’s the solution to healthcare fiasco is to tell people to put aside $5k a year into health savings accounts?!!?

Buy Danish pointed out to me the fallacy in the idea that if the bill were passed, Congress could reengage later and fine-tune it. Then the whole deal fell apart, in part because Republicans wanted felons deported and Sen Kennedy wouldn’t budge. So I queried “immigration proposals” and found this - note that some here will discount any of the ideas because of their dislike of the person who proposed it. Why should we expect Congress to accept ideas and compromise with political opponents when people here can’t even do that?

Anyway, it’s probably too simple to enact. Not enough political hay -

Link: A one-page immigration reform proposal

BTW - IN THE NEWS 10:53

That which “Think Progress” spins as “Giuliani Skipped ISG Meetings For Motivational Events Featuring ‘Christianity’ And ‘Pumping Music’” politicians refer to as “stumping for campaign contributions.” Gee, maybe Think Progress will run similar headlines about the Democratic candidates?

By Spokesman for In other words

June 21, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

Paul, IOW asked me to reply on his behalf as he is very busy trying to find and silence the few remaining scientists and bloggers who don’t believe in the Great Global Warming Myth.

He did ask me to pass on that he thinks there is much hope however, as you correctly point out that they (those who question the suppositions, conclusions and motives)are indeed in an extremely unfortunate or unfavorable position. He believes that is almost certainly never going to change. Unless, of course, gravity, evolution and the sky is blue can be disproved as well.

By Dusty

June 21, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

Funny morons/Missed Manners and others who can’t face the truth,

Of course you are not entertaining. You only want to tear down the government of the USA, run like crazy when war is mentioned, and investigate everything that might possibly cast a shadow on Republicans.

Paul and Buy Danish try logic to reason with liberals. I commend their persistence at an impossible goal. The dumbing down of liberals from lost presidential elections has numbed their brains to repetitious rhetoric. What a shame!

But I may just stick around to watch in amazement the bodacious backsliding on American principles done by liberals.

By IN THE NEWS

June 21, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R) has collected hundreds of thousands of dollars through the fundraising efforts of a supporter targeted by several lawsuits alleging child abuse.

By rushncap

June 21, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Speaking of Dusty, every time I see her, I’m reminded of a documentary I saw on, I believe, the National Geographic channel. The documentary is about an eye surgeon who comes to North Korea to do a week’s worth of surgeries for free. He performs hundreds of them on citizens of the most oppressive regime in the world. He is basically the only outsider ever allowed in that country. Once he is finished with the surgeries, one by one people come up to have their bandages removed. Once they do, and these people, who have been blind (some for decades) can see for the first time, they all fall to their knees, and start crying and thanking their dear Leader - Kim Jong Il - for giving them sight back. They say that they will now work 10 times harder for him, for he has given them the power of sight back. Watching those scenes is surreal. But every time Dusters shows up, I remember them. Her adoration of anything and everything Bush borders on that.

By georgia 74

June 21, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Mike, Maybe Congress’s approval rating is so low because its half Republican.

By raisedanidiot

June 21, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

By “Clementine”:”Since Vermont has never had gay marriage anyone that went there for a civil union resulting in the loss of their children would remember that trivial detail. I’m calling BS on the raisedanidiot loser.” …This hardly warrents a response, but I’m just so appalled at the lack of humanity I’m reading from you freaks!What is it that you don’t understand my simple friend…are you confused about the difference between a civil union and a marriage such as what Massachusetts has in place? The good people of Vermont and my hero Howard Dean instated civil unions in July of 2000. The Vermont Supreme court ordered that Vermont come up with something that would afford gay couples all the rights and privileges of a heterosexual marriage.Sadly, other states were not required to honor Vermont’s civil unions…even though any heterosexual couple can marry in Vermont or any other state and return to their home state…viola, “Married”! Blessed by God…oh, you chosen ones…you know what, you can kiss my voluptuous lesbian a$$..and just continue to dream that you had me in bed with your fat heterosexual wives…freaking hypocrits!!

By Bill

June 21, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Umm. We have our usual Repug partisans attempting to disguise themselves as Christian republican patriots this morning. Even Scooter has returned on his belly w legs held high. Special day? It’s otherwise just the usual hate-filled failures drawn by magnets to other hate-filled failures. Hey, and isn’t the Surge going 200% as precisely predictable? Stand proud, for you have been impaled by Satan his own self.

By Missed Manners

June 21, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

Darn, that Dusty is such a tease!

By Paul

June 21, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

georgia74

So if a Democratic Congress can’t govern, keep their promises or not discard the most egregious practices of a Republican Congress but instead, adopt them and go one better, then why on earth should anyone take them seriously?

Results - not rhetoric. One’s lacking, the other’s not. Doesn’t bode well if people transfer Democratic Congressional performance to a possible Democratic President.

By LuckoDull

June 21, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

I know where pinko® luckovich is at, I’ll bet they are holding a seminar at Goony U. on how to say “The Surge Has Failed” over and over again without appearing to be a total partisan toady.

How long will it take to teach this class, I wonder?

Cowards.

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By Fly-on-the-wall

June 21, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/addressingclimatecrisis_bush

The President finally works to fix Global Climate change. Hopefully it will take this time.

By In other words

June 21, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Funny morons/Missed Manners and others who can’t face MY truth,

Of course I’m not entertaining. I only want to perpetuate corruption and incompetence in the government of the USA, run by crazies whenever war is mentioned, and excoriate everyone that might possibly expose the darkness of Republicans.

Licky and Buy Danish TRY to use logic to reason with all of the non neo-cons here, but fail miserably. I commend their pigheadedness at this impossible goal. The dumbing down of us neo-cons from last November’s elections has numbed our still reeling brains to repetitious rhetoric. But that’s fine!

And since I have nothing else to do with my life, I will obviously just stick around to watch in amazement the brazen backsliding on the fraudulent Christians here who hate most American principles.

By Paul

June 21, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

georgia74

So if a Democratic Congress can’t govern, keep their promises or not discard the most egregious practices of a Republican Congress but instead, adopt them and go one better, then why on earth should anyone take them seriously?

Results - not rhetoric. One’s lacking, the other’s not. Doesn’t bode well if people transfer Democratic Congressional performance to a possible Democratic President.

By Paul

June 21, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

georgia74

So if a Democratic Congress can’t govern, keep their promises or not discard the most egregious practices of a Republican Congress but instead, adopt them and go one better, then why on earth should anyone take them seriously?

Results - not rhetoric. One’s lacking, the other’s not. Doesn’t bode well if people transfer Democratic Congressional performance to a possible Democratic President.

By Paul

June 21, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

georgia74

So if a Democratic Congress can’t govern, keep their promises or not discard the most egregious practices of a Republican Congress but instead, adopt them and go one better, then why on earth should anyone take them seriously?

Results - not rhetoric. One’s lacking, the other’s not. Doesn’t bode well if people transfer Democratic Congressional performance to a possible Democratic President.

By LuckoDull

June 21, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

Hey!

{{{While Nader praised two candidates who have almost no chance of winning their party’s nomination — Republican Ron Paul and Democrat Mike Gravel — he was severe in his criticism of Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton. “She is a political [[[[Coward,”]]]]] Nader said. “She goes around pandering to powerful interest groups on the one hand and flattering general audiences on the other. She doesn’t even have the minimal political fortitude of her husband.”}}}

“Stealing” votes from Insane Al and now he’s stealing my nouns.

Been blogging at luckobit-ch’s, Ralphie?

Geez.

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By Funny morons®

June 21, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

Move along CONservatives. This link won’t interest you.

By Paul

June 21, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

Sorry about the triple post - the transmit hung, I had a white screen, each reload got another white screen which retransmitted -

Wish I could blame it on the server - (I got that line from Spkr Pelosi, just substituted “server” for “Republicans”) -

By rushncap

June 21, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

Paul, I’m sorry, but does your post boil down to “It’s been several months already, why hasn’t the Congress - where Democrats have razor-thin majorities - fixed the country that’s been run into the ground by 6 years of unimpeded ruinous mismanagement by the Cheney Administration?”? Because if it does, I think I know the answer.

By GodHatesTrash

June 21, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

Dusty - is she a rocket scientist or a silly stupid w-hore?

Vote!

By LuckoDull

June 21, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

{{{By rushncrap June 21, 2007 12:06 PM Paul, I’m sorry, but does your post boil down to “It’s been several months already, why hasn’t the Congress - where Democrats have razor-thin majorities - fixed the country that’s been run into the ground by 6 years of unimpeded ruinous mismanagement by the Cheney Administration?”? Because if it does, I think I know the answer.}}}

rushncrap doesn’t know the answer??

How can that be?

The same brilliant, scholarly, well educated college professor has been left speechless?

Tell me it isn’t so.

Especially considering that the Republican class of 1994 also had a “razor thin majority” and somehow, against all of the odds, managed to pass welfare reform, medicare reform, health insurance portability, increased the minimum wage, strengthened criminal laws lowering crime, built prisons, cleaned up the environment and thousands of other initiatives, maybe they got lucky, no?

Makes you miss the good old days when we had a government, don’t it?

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By Paul

June 21, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

rushncap

Not at all. Many problems were existent before Democratic Congress took over - but I’m not talking about “national” things, here, that they should do for the country - like immigration. I’m referring to more “in-house” practices Democrats pledged to clean up - which I skeptically applauded. Things that Sprk Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid could impose by fiat. Things like stopping the earmarks. Consulting with the opposition, debating issues, putting things up for a vote. Getting rid of padding payrolls with relatives and other forms of cronyism. Shutting down lobbyists’ influence. Putting in the same kind of workweek as many Americans.

Pointing out this Congress’s shortcomings does not in any way excuse the abuses and shortcomings of the previous Congress. It just means as far as results I see little difference between the tactics and practices they both employ. Say what you need to get elected - then carry on business as usual.

By Dusty

June 21, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

Oh now indeed,rushie & Godless,

We have our two “idiot savants” posting their favorite foible. rushncap sliding around on his inclined plane of physics. He’ll never make it as social butterfly because he’s stuck in the cocoon of academic fruit flies.

Then there is God Hates Trash who is home for the summer from Reject School. There he learned to operate Tiny Tots Computer Systems. He insists on playing the Lone Loser poster every day. That’s the only way they will give him some milk and cookies.

Let’s see. Something that makes sense. Bloomberg was on TV, Lehrer News, and he sounds good. Leadership qualities and practical good sense. Not a whole lot of charisma but who needs it. Bill Clinton crucified charisma big time. Hillary doesn’t have any. In her case, it would help.

By IN THE NEWS

June 21, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

Report: Cheney Exempted His Office From Executive Order Protecting Classified Information

By Fly-on-the-wall

June 21, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

One more try…(http://www.theonion.com/content/news/addressingclimatecrisis_bush)

By Seeker

June 21, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

What are Bloombergs takes on the issues?

Can’t find anything

By Deport 12 million scumbags

June 21, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

So LickaDick now quotes Nader!

If the patethic twisted little cripple hadn’t had his head WAY up his a$$ the past ten years or so he would know that Nader’s message has always been that most of these Democratic and Republican “leaders” are corporate w******* and gutless sycophants who put themselves, their political parties and their corrupt bribers before the nation.

As if this nauseating POS LickaDick would have the intellect to realize that, the wisdom to look for it or the nads to do something about it!

Instead he actually thinks he has a patent on the word coward. Patent? no. Ownership? Definitely.

By Missed Manners

June 21, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

Dusty!

What substance to your post!

Your amazing grasp of the world situation and your forwarding thinking in the details you present to improve them just leaves us all underwhelmed!

By Paul

June 21, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Dusty

Diane Rehm show had a good discussion about Bloomberg. Self-made guy, didn’t inherit it, marry it or make it while on the public payroll. Engineering background (I’ll try not to hold that against him). Impact seems to depend upon the nominees. If the Republican’s socially moderate it may minimize taking votes from Reps (think that’s why so many here on the Left point out Rudy’s not really a hardcore social conservative? So Reps will stay home or nominate someone who is - who’d have a more difficult time in the general election). If the Dem is too extreme (not an oxymoron, there) then it could flow votes to Bloomberg.

Krauthammer made the observation Guilliani cut crime, taxes, etc. and Bloomberg’s claim to fame is he took over and didn’t screw it up.

Bottom line: lotsa people are looking for change, fresh faces. But Hillary/Rudy with the big bucks may trump all. Even if you’re a billionaire.

Later -

By AmVet

June 21, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Mike, in regards to your observations about the abysmal approval ratings for Congress, here are a couple of my observations. (And I agree, let’s hang the treasonous cartoonist!)

First, the approval rating for Congress in 1995 was about 23%, certainly not stellar. And though it is lower now, I believe it is for a several reasons.

One, they have ceded, or tried to, some of their historical power to the Executive Branch. Remember how the early neo-cons of 1994 had the Line Item Veto in the disastrous Contract On, er With America? Slick Willy found it so tempting it was the only provision of that debacle he supported!

But alas, there’s this little thing in this country called The Supreme Court and they found it contrary to the Presentment Clause and found it unconstitutional. Even so this was a sickeningly blatant attempt by a impotent Congress basically trying to capitulate on some of their most important responsibilities.

The next reason Congress is seen as so weak and ineffective is a bit more unclear and basically revolves around their surrendering on the demands of Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution - that they, and not the President, are the only ones to declare war.

As we all know, the President of the United States has no clear constitutional authority to declare war without congressional approval. (However, the U.S. Supreme Court has determined that the president, as commander-in-chief of the military, does have the authority to recognize a “state of war” initiated against the United States and may in these circumstances unilaterally send U.S. troops into battle.)

President Bush did not seek a formal declaration of war from Congress, but he did seek congressional support to invade and occupy a sovereign country who had never and probably never could attack us.

And shamefully, IMHO, 27 Democratic senators and EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN SENATOR save Chafee gave this clearly incompetent President their support! And that is a key reason why the likes of Clinton, Edwards, Kerry, McCain, Brownback and Thompson, if he chooses to run, could never earn my respect or vote for President.

And this President also stated that his powers as commander-in-chief allow him to act independently in defense of the nation. Really? Do these guys just make this stuff up as they go along? And if he didn’t need their approval, this was done merely for political show.

By IN THE NEWS

June 21, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Ghost Of Nixon

By Sweet Home Gore Obama

June 21, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Republican, Democratic Presidential Contests Strikingly Similar

Gore Obama 2008

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 21, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

{Excuse me, but we have absolute proof that God’s Trash hates gays, but yet you think I might and you are all upset about it.}

Might?!!! MIGHT?!!!

It’s been nearly a full day and you are still afraid to finally come out of the closet and answer my questions? Either you agree that the homosexuals are to be cast into hell or you are going there yourself! And again my Lord Jesus Christ is aware of your cowardly silence. It is not going to save you! SPEAK UP ONE WAY OR ANOTHER YOU POLE-SMOKING IDOLIZER.

Either admit right now that the qu&&rs are going to burn or they’re not. That will answer the question once and for all, won’t it, a$$ bandit?

By Paul

June 21, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

Rev Phelps illustrates why these guys don’t believe in evolution -

it stopped about a million years ago -

By By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

June 21, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

How dare someone use the words Krauthammer and fresh faces in consecutive sentences?! SARC!

I know he can’t help that he looks like a horribly disfigured burn victim, but who burned his soul so badly?

By Ralph

June 21, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

Ahh, you beautiful Repugnants, hate, bitterness, ignorance and failure are your friends and constant companions. You share them here every day.

By LuckoDull

June 21, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

I’ll link this one for you too, Prop:

Given such a standard of proof, nearly anything can be linked to Global Warming. A widely reported news piece from a few month’s ago told the story of an intrepid group of activists that went to the arctic to find proof of Global Warming — and what do you know, they found it! What was this proof? They saw some baby seals sitting on the ice without their mother’s around. So obviously… Global Warming had so stressed the mothers that they abandoned their pups to die — and just before the loud boat full of activists arrived to document their absence. What a coincidence! Come to think of it, I saw a bunch of kids at the Mall the other day and their mothers were nowhere to be found. I suspect Global Warming drove the stressed Mothers away, possibly to the cooler climate of Bed, Bath and Beyond.

Hahaha, aren’t Conservatives clever?

I’d thought you’d like that, a ray of interest in this bleak, dull, pinko® infested playground, blah.

Stupid filthy little goonies.

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By rushncap

June 21, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Dusters — can even you make sense of what you typed up at 12:42?

By rushncap

June 21, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

Paul — I see your point. I guess I’m pretty disappointed too.

By LuckoDull

June 21, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

Did you have doubt that Saddam possessed stockpiles of WMD?

{{{Colin Powell: ” … [W]hen we prepared for this presentation at the UN … it was not something that was made up just for that presentation. It reflected the consistent view of the intelligence community over time … and also reflected the kind of intelligence that President Clinton was being given in 1998 when he … executed Operation Desert Fox, which bombed Iraq for a period of four days… . I worked for seven weeks to get UN resolution — a unanimous resolution, as it turned out — 1441, and that resolution had a get-out-of-jail card for Saddam Hussein. It gave him, I think it was 30 or 60 days, to come forward and answer all the questions that are outstanding about your capability and your stockpiles and what you’ve done with it. And, instead of seriously trying to answer that question, he just dumped a whole bunch of stuff on us that really wasn’t credible or believable. It was at that point that [Saddam] set us on the road to war. He had a chance to stop this.}}}

That’s when he came up with the “Pottery Barn Rule” hahaha.

Geez.

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By IN THE NEWS

June 21, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

Breaking: Senate Judiciary Committee Issues Subpoeans For NSA Domestic Spying Documents

By IN THE NEWS

June 21, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

Conservatives block landmark renewables law. Senate conservatives “blocked a $32 billion package of tax breaks for renewable energy that would have been financed mostly by new taxes on major oil companies. Democrats came three votes short of overcoming a threatened GOP filibuster that was keeping the measure from being attached to a broader energy bill.”

By Dusty

June 21, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

Hmmmm..Seeker,

Paul knows more about Bloomberg than I do. The one interview with him that I have seen showed a very “sharp” man. He played his cards close to his chest. He was playing it “safe”. Not making any commitments(promises) in any direction. That gives him the freedom to watch and learn without the press on his back. A very good play in the political game I would say.

Paul,12:59

Watch it, fellow! My husband’s degree is in civil engineering.

I have never seen Diane Rheme’s show. Not much of a TV watcher unless it is the Newshour(Lehrer) or the Braves. I hope that Bloomberg’s money doesn’t turn on him. But knowing that he has “billions” doesn’t exactly make the average American feel like hearing”I feel your pain!”

I guess it is going to be watch and wait from all parties. Something tells me that Bloomberg will be quietly patient a long time.

Maybe Congress will make a DECISION and prohibit political fighting along with cockfights and dog fights. Too messy! Too bloody!

Missy Manners,

OK! What will it be? Swords, pistols, slingshots or water pistols? Take off your white gloves and fight like a errr well…(I think)..man!!

But be aware.I am a very good shot with water pistols. Just ask those squirrels raiding my birdfeeder!! Zap!!Gotcha!

By Seeker

June 21, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

Does ANYBODY know what Bloomberg STANDS FOR?

By Dusty

June 21, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

rushncapers@1:43.

I’m sorry I didn’t use BLOCK LETTERS on lined paper for you. Subtlety is not your specialty I see.

Ah well, use your dictionary, put 2 & 2 together, spout physics and then do the hokey pokey. You’ll get it. Maybe.

By Missed Manners

June 21, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

No the gloves are velvet….

You know the old saying don’t you?

By Dusty

June 21, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

Missy Manners,2:42

Nope, don’t know any old saying about velvet gloves. Maybe I’m not as old as you.

By Bumper Sticker

June 21, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

Bloomberg stands for the same thing every modern politician stands for - himself and his cronies who got him where he is!

Oh yeah, and public service and the good of the people and the Easter Bunny (or in his case maybe a nice Matzah ball soup!)

By rushncap

June 21, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Get what, Dusters? There was nothing to get to begin with. Sigh…

By Missed Manners

June 21, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Or maybe you aren’t well educated.

By Oh the Humanity

June 21, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

Newsweek Bush approval is now 26%!

These are Nixon numbers!! He should do as Nixon did and resign!

By IN THE NEWS

June 21, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

Guest Of CNN’s Beck: Watching Someone Murder The Clintons Would Be ‘Great’

By Oh the Humidity

June 21, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

OtH, Nixon’s approval rating just before he left office was 24%.

Isn’t it amazing that nearly a quarter of Americans back then were so utterly stupid that they still approved of Tricky Dick at that point! They had to have been the political forebears of todays pigheaded neo-cons who still think W, like Brownie, is doing a heckuva job!!!

I almost guarantee that before January 20, 2009, Bush’s rating will drop into the unfathomable teens or lower.

Then all this silly discussion about the worst US President of all time will be done with.

By IN THE NEWS

June 21, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

The insurgents could be anyone

By LuckoDull

June 21, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

{{{During the conversation, Graham asked Beck if he wanted to see the Clintons murdered in the video. “[S]eriously, Glenn, didn’t you at one point want to see, like, Paulie Walnuts or someone come in and just whack them both right there. Wouldn’t that have been great?” Beck responded with a smile, “No, I did not want to see that.” Graham said, “C’mon. … I wanted that.” Though Beck said he didn’t want to see the Clintons murdered on video, he smiled at the comments and failed to reprimand his guest or end the interview.}}}

Do you stupid slobbering goonies know that there are whole entire books, movies and transcripts discussing and enacting in detail the murder of George Bush?

Do you stupid slobbering goonies realize that the Sopranos was based on a crime family that murdered their rivals?

Grasping for straws, toady?

Stick it up your…..

Coward.

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By getalife

June 21, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

Geez, need a new thread.

Wingnut Wooten’s is just as bad because Drudge used his drivel today.

Looks like w has dropped below Carter.

Immigration will push him lower than Nixon.

By IN THE NEWS

June 21, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

Flashback: Bloomberg Gave His Blessing To Iraq War

By In other words

June 21, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

As a stupid slobbering goofball I know that there are hole intire books, moovys and transgenders disgusting and enacting in detail the murder of my sanctified super hero George Bush.

As a stupid slobbering goofball I realize that the Altos was based on a criminal Swiss family that murdered and sang their way through the Alps.

Grasping for toads,

The Coward.

By The Department to Help Stamp Out and Eliminate Redundancy Department

June 21, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

A whole entire book is completely completed vs. a partial entire book which is not entirely entire.

By Andrew Q. Frizzbomb

June 21, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

I AM NOT AN ANIMAL! I AM AN ENTIRE HOLE!

By raisedanidiot

June 21, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

Is it just me or is Luckodull like speaking another language zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz you some kind of foreigner, lickeydickey? Probobly home in front of his computer, living off one of those damn democrats’ social programs…hey, you got a green card, fella?

By Andrew Q. Frizzbomb

June 21, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

I AM NOT A GREEN CARD CARRYING ANIMAL! I AM A COMPASSIONATE CONSERVATIVE!

By Fair is Fair

June 21, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

If you are completely discomboobulated over threats to or about a political figure ONLYif he’s a vice president with a bum ticker and clotty legs - even though you would support our President - ANY PRESIDENT- to any and all lengths

You might be a Neo Con

By TrekkieDull

June 21, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

raisedanidiot, Andy has been posting here all day long since Oct of 2005! He is keeping you safe from democracy!

Did you ever see that one star trek where Captain Kirk went back in time to SanFrancisco?? Kirk was able to save the Universe from the pinkos. Fortunately Andy doesn’t have to go back in time ! he’s already there!

I say to Andy this “Heghlu’meH QaQ jajvam puqna”….In Klingon it means, “Andy, hero of the American dream.”

Hey Andy, do you want to spend the night and play videos? I got my new Spock ears. RIGHTOUS!

Now LAY OFF OF ANDY! You Hemuguq Qa Bai

DuDaDaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

By Oldie but Goodie

June 21, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

I can just hear Dusty in Germany in 1941. “You are so unpatriotic for saying anything against are great leader. Because he runs our country all of our loyalties are to him. If you aren’t with us then you are for those terrorist Brits.”

Same EXACT mindset in everything she posts.

By The Watcher

June 21, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

Whadaya’ think?

695 posts on this thread might be slowing the old server down a bit.

By Andrew Q. Frizzbomb

June 21, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

I AM NOT A KLINGON! I AM SHARP SHOOTING VETERAN OF THE SPANISH AMERICAN WAR!

By IN THE NEWS

June 21, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

The CIA’s torture teachers Psychologists helped the CIA exploit a secret military program to develop brutal interrogation tactics — likely with the approval of the Bush White House.

By IN THE NEWS

June 21, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

“The president who vowed to lead America in a moral crusade to win hearts and minds around the world has so inflamed anti-American sentiment that America’s moral standing in the world is at an all-time low.

The president who vowed to defend the Good in the world from the forces of Evil has caused the United States to be held in deep contempt by large segments of virtually every country on every continent of the world, including large portions of nations with which the U.S. has historically been allied.

The president who vowed to undertake a war in defense of American values and freedoms has presided over such radical departures from the defining values and liberties of this country that many Americans find their country and its government unrecognizable.

And the president who vowed to lead the war for freedom and democracy has made torture, rendition, abductions, lawless detentions of even our own citizens, secret “black site” prisons, Abu Ghraib dog leashes, and orange Guantánamo jumpsuits the strange, new symbols of America around the world.”“

A Tragic Legacy Glenn Greenwald

By LuckoDull

June 21, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

Just think, yesterday “raisanidiot” was a “lesbian” that lost her “3 kids” to the state due to some unspoken travesty, today she’s an enraged AJC approved lurker that has an obsession with Andy, after just one day, that is remarkably like the one suffered by Polly.

Go figure.

You’d be amazed at how few real liberals there are posting here, I’m thinking maybe two or three, each with a hundred different nicknames.

Weird, man.

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By Oh the Humidity

June 21, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this

From the “I talk a good game but never really do what I say I will” camp of George Bush.

In a tacit reference to Iraq, Mr. Bloomberg added, “As President Bush has said repeatedly, we will aggressively pursue terrorists wherever they seek refuge and terrorist states whenever they threaten our security.”

He should have said, “As President Bush has denied repeatedly, we will aggressively pursue terrorist only if they are have moved to Iraq or are in Afghanistan.

Somalia? Saudia Arabia? Pakistan? Indonesia? Syria? Egypt? Not so much.

By Dusty

June 21, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Oldie but Dumbie, and blind,

If you can’t see the difference in our President and Hitler, send your contribution to the Alzheimers Association in a hurry. You are going to need them.

To the other inmates already under treatment now posting as liberal lunatics, go home before dark. You’re a scary bunch and will frighten people even in Little Five Points.

And to our brilliant psycho..excuse me…I mean physicist….”Duh!”

Must leave now. “Sloppy Joes” are ready. Try to behave like good little kiddies…or ask for directions on how it is done.

By raisedanidiot

June 21, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

Andy…first of all, I didn’t loose my kids to the state you judgmental cyclops…just because you and your other 32 personalities clog up the blog with your hate-filled rhetoric, doesn’t mean others do the same. It may seem that way to you however, sweetie because you are experiencing something new and refreshing to the rest of us…that is, what it means for a republican to be in a 26% minority…(still a larger minority than the gay community)…maybe we should start taking away your rights…married by any chance?

By Not Dull

June 21, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

New Poll!

Only 26 percent of Americans, just over one in four, approve of the job the 43rd president is doing; while, a record 65 percent disapprove, including nearly a third of Republicans.

The 26 percent rating puts Bush lower than Jimmy Carter, who sunk to his nadir of 28 percent in a Gallup poll in June 1979. In fact, the only president in the last 35 years to score lower than Bush is Richard Nixon.

Ha ha, there is still time to beat Nixon…..

By Great News!

June 21, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

Attention boys and girls ages 7 to 17!

This summer’s Neo-Con Summer Camp is now accepting applications!

If, and only if your, parents can prove that they have voted for every Republican candidate since Eisenhower and if they can show faithful attendance at an approved list of Southern Baptist churches, you may be able to join the fun!

Our staff is specially “trained” to help young minds and bodies conform to the Neo-Con way. The American way. The Right way!

And our facilities in Marietta, Georgia are considered the best seen since those at Auschwitz!

Some of the fun classes include:

How to spot a Muslim and what to do if no one is looking.

How to ridicule non-Republicans. (special taunting classes for the exceptionally gifted.)

How to spin, twist and deflect in a political discussion. (This year the coveted RW award is being retired and is being replaced with the new and improved Buy Danish trophy!)

How to wave the flag to get the most attention.

How to recite the best slogans and phrases to prove your patriotism. (The Dusty award is one of the most prized given all summer!)

How to avoid thinking for yourself. (The winner will receive this year’s inaugural Andrew Q. “LuckoDull” Frizzbomb Cut & Paste award!)

How to recite the phrases of Ronald Reagan.

How to find all of the answers to life’s questions in the Bible. (Those demonstrating logic and reason or those with scientific proficiency or achievements will not be eligible.)

And, of course, one of our traditional favorites - How to rig elections to keep the non-Republicans out of office

Hurry! It’s not yet too late to hate a pinko! But openings are limited. Remember that enrollment is only available to those meeting our strict requirements and those who can include a cashiers check for $10,000 to the Republican National Committee.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

June 21, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

You forgot the class on how to explain that most Americans are un-American, embolden our enemies and weaken our great nation. The class is called:

The Final Solution: How best to eliminate 70% of the American populace. Gas or Bullets?

I found it very informative.

RWNJIFG

By Great News!

June 21, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

RWNJIFG,

Thank you for pointing out that omission!

We are terribly sorry but we were not using the final draft of our propaganda piece, I mean marketing publication!

We did omit that as well as these new classes!

What to say to convince people that your daddy served in the US military.

How to be politically correct by pretending to support the blasphemers and Christ-killers in Jerusalem.

How to get mommy and daddy to vote for legislators who will keep the colored people in their place.

How to stone a homo. (Sorry this incredibly popular class, that awards the Rev. Fred Phelps trophy to the winner, is already filled!)

By CORRECTION

June 21, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

The Final Solution: How best to eliminate 70% of the American populace. Gas or Bullets?

Make that 74%

By LuckoDull

June 21, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

Can’t you just imagine how much cartoon boy must hate this blog?

I’ll bet he went on vacation just to get away from it.

What a disappointment this must be, after the high hopes and expectations of having his very own little pinko® playground where he and all the other Cowards could wallow and cavort around in their anti American filth.

And to have it turn out like it did, full of hapless dullards and pervert lurkers that are under total intellectual domination by a handful of Conservative bloggers.

They can’t even post the freshest goony democrat talking points with out getting routed and being made utter fools of, never mind trying to promote one of their depraved “progressive” ideas.

I guess you could look at the “bright” side and say the libs do get in some really good gay bashing here, hahahaha.

He must really be embarrassed.

I almost feel sorry for him.

Almost.

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By getalife

June 21, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

Wow, cheney declares he is above the law and not a part of the executive branch.

Need to change the textbooks to fit that argument.

Geez.

They are shutting down Gitmo, so that is good news.

By Rev. Fred Phelps

June 21, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

They have a trophy with my name on it? Praise Jesus!

Now where’s that fairly loving LuckoDull? That apostate still hasn’t answered my two simple questions.

By In other words

June 21, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

Can’t you just imagine how much cartoon boy must love that a dipstick neo-con like myself b1tches CONSTANTLY about him and his treason and then incredibly I b*** even more when he doesn’t give me a new toon everyday?!!!

I’ll bet he doesn’t give a tinkers damn about us right-wing idiots when he is on vacation.

What a disappointment this is for me, after the high hopes and expectations of last November’s elections. I was really hoping to have my very own little playground where myself and all us other Cowards could wallow and cavort around in our moronic sociopathic filth.

And to have it turn out like it did, full of us mindless cretins and perverts that are under the total delusion that we have intellectual domination over the rest of mankind.

I can’t even post the freshest prince of belair goofball talking points with out getting my knickers totally twisted and being made to look an udder fool. Never mind trying to pretend I have ever had a “progressive” idea.

I guess you could look at the “bright” side and say the libs do get in some really good gay bashing here, hahahaha. I really do hate those fudge-packers and wish that damn Rev, Phelps wouldn’t try to corner me on that one!

I should be really embarrassed.

I feel sorry for myself.

By Deport 12 million scumbags

June 21, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

getalife, I certainly wish Cheney wasn’t part of the Executive Branch!

His brilliant doctrine has weakened us terribly. Our military capabilities around the globe suffer while he has our boys pinned down and getting KIA in Iraq. But hey! Let’s keep them there until hell freezes over with their hands tied behind their backs, sport our little yellow bumper stickers and call them heroes! What a colossal POS he and his backers, like LickaPole, Dusty and BiDanish are.

By LuckoDull

June 21, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

Yes:

{{{Big fights are ahead and we will take serious losses probably, but al Qaeda, unless they find a way to escape, are about to be slaughtered. Nobody is dropping leaflets asking them to surrender. Our guys want to kill them, and that’s the plan.}}}

Don’t worry Al Qaeda, your cohorts here in America will “be there” to whine for you, hahaha.

Your about to find out how much “help” they really are.

Cowards.

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By ChickenHawk

June 21, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

Here’s the solution, sportos!

Give that creep al-malarki, his puppet government, the inept police force and Iraqi army 6 months to round up and kill all of the (fill in the blank) ____ (terrorists, insurgents, freedom fighters, what the F ever.)

If even one more American GI is killed after that date we are simply going to firebomb Baghdad and every major city in that horrible country. It will make Tokyo and Berlin look like they were having small barbecues.

We allow those who pass muster to resettle and redevelop the joint, if they want. Problem solved.

By In other words

June 21, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

Don’t worry Al Qaeda, we chickenhawks here in America will always be there to pretend we’re fighting you, hahaha.

Everyone else already knows but you’re about to find out how useless we really are.

We are Cowards.

By LuckoDull

June 21, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Joe Klein, king pinko:

{{{After the briefing I asked Colonel Antonia if he’d asked the Sunnis why they had turned against al-Qaeda. “They said it was religious stuff,” he said. “AQI demanded that the women wear abayas, no smoking and they preached an extreme version of Islam in the mosque. They’d also spent the winter without food and fuel because of the violence al-Qaeda was causing. One guy said to me, ‘We fought against you because you invaded our country and you’re infidels. But you treat us with more dignity than al-Qaeda,’ and he said they’d continue to work with us. I’ve been involved in many operations here and this is a first—usually everybody’s shooting at us. This is the first time we’ve had any of them on our side.”}}}

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By Political Foreskin

June 21, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

John Edwards talked about being president on Leno last night. He said that he didn’t crave the white house, it’s just that there’s certain things he wants to do that only a first lady can do……..

By Dusty

June 21, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

There are so many copycats here. Not an original one in the bunch. All two of you couldn’t come up with something new, even if you had a mind.

You poor lil’ fellows even have a phony “reverend”. What you need is a real one. You better run now. The guys with the nets are coming. I think they already have Luckovich. You might as well join him.

By LuckoDull

June 21, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

Damn, a lib speaking for all of America:

{{{“Who wants four or eight more years of the Clintons’ marital disputes, paid for by the United States?” a disabled teacher and registered Democrat added.}}}

And corruption and treason and treachery and hate and whining and…

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By In her own words

June 21, 2007 7:15 PM | Link to this

There are so many copycats here, I am totally confused! I wish I could figure out who’s who. I’m not even sure who I am! I’m certainly not the original one in the bunch. All two of me couldn’t come up with something interesting, even if we had two minds. And two waists are a terrible thing to mind!

I even have a pretend “friend”. His name is Rev. Fred! But what I really need is a real life. I better run now. The aliens with the little green bodies and big deformed heads are coming for me! I think they already have Luckodull. I might as well join him. And those weenies were really yummy!

By Buy Danish

June 21, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this

I don’t know how many times you idiot Moonbats have to be told that “Rev”. Fred Phelps is one of yours, but apparently you are very slow learners.

One more time:

Democratic Party/Phelps has run in various Kansas Democratic Party primaries five times, but has never won. These included races for governor in 1990, 1994, and 1998, receiving about 15% of the vote in 1998. In the 1992 Democratic Party primary for U.S. Senate, Phelps received 31% of the vote./Support for Al Gore/Phelps supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic Party primary election. In his 1984 Senate race, Gore opposed a “gay bill of rights” and stated that homosexuality was not something that “society should affirm”. Phelps has stated that he supported Gore because of these earlier comments. According to Phelps, members of the Westboro Baptist Church helped run Gore’s 1988 campaign in Kansas. Phelps’ son, Fred Phelps Jr., hosted a Gore fundraiser, which Al and Tipper Gore attended, at his home in Topeka. Fred Phelps, Jr. served as a Gore delegate to the 1988 Democratic National Convention.