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By Mike Luckovich | Tuesday, June 5, 2007, 06:32 AM

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By Scooter

June 5, 2007 8:20 AM | Link to this

Really ml… this is what you choose to make a joke about. All the while another “leftist” idol decides to sacrifice freedoms for the betterment of the village. Gotta watch out for those “leftists” when they get to PROVIDING for the village, because; individual rights have historically been reduced in an effort to satisfy the wants of the whole.

By Scooter

June 5, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this

The “leftist” I type of is none other than Hugo Chavez.

By Buy Danish

June 5, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

Personally, I think this whole case is a tempest in a teapot. I think it’s going to turn out that Speaker was not a threat after all. However, it does point to problems at the CDC and at the border.

Maybe we should follow the money as we review the incompetence”?:

…A border inspector who checked him disregarded a computer warning to stop Speaker, officials said Thursday./The inspector ran Speaker’s passport through a computer, and a warning - including instructions to hold the traveler, don a protective mask in dealing with him, and telephone health authorities - popped up, officials said. About a minute later, Speaker was instead cleared to continue on his journey, according to officials who spoke with the AP. The inspector has since been removed from border duty./ Colleen Kelley, president of the union that represents customs and border agents, declined to comment on the specifics of the case, but told the AP that ————->”public health issues were not receiving adequate attention and training” within the agency.<————-

Just throw more money at it! Maybe teach them to read at a third grade level.

The CDC will say it needs more money (it already has) and now the border patrol, which does need more money to patrol the border, is blaming an idiotic screwup on a lack of training.

Maybe the border patrol agent can be re-assigned and put in charge of Z Visas.

This would be hilarious if it weren’t so serious.

By Paul

June 5, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish

Thanks for the reminder for Firefox (for the rest of you, not the Clint Eastwood movie). I installed it yesterday, nice new features, including all IE settings, seems to operate much, much faster (and I have a pretty huge broadband pipeline). ‘Course, doesn’t help the AJC server.

BTW - the TB traveler? Could you guess by profession he’s a personal injury attorney? “No one told me SPECIFICALLY…” “I didn’t receive OFFICIAL notification…” “I never heard the EXACT words….”

So much for knowing what’s right and doing it without being told. Kinda reminds you of Hillary’s “I followed the rules, you’ll have to ask someone else if it’s good policy” dismissal, doesn’t it?

By Buy Danish

June 5, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

Scooter,

I wonder if that t shirt will be as popular as these.

Nothing like a little capitalistic incentive to promote Communism!

Do you think the proceeds are being redistributed to the poor? Which reminds me - When do I get a piece of Bill Clinton’s speaking fees?

By Buy Danish

June 5, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Firefox is SO much faster. The only thing I don’t like is I can’t figure out how to shortcut a page, and when I put something in “favorites” it doesn’t work properly so I have to switch to IE when I add to my “Global Warming Debunked” file.

There is something very fishy about this TB case. The possibilities are endless and it will make a great Michael Crichton movie in the end and as I said earlier^^^, follow the money.

On the one hand, I can’t believe this lawyer would intentionally infect his bride, which leads me to believe he wasn’t that contagious.

While I agree he is quibbling over words like what the definition of “is is”, the CDC was not clear about him not traveling, not to mention getting married.

Why wasn’t he quarantined months ago? Just roaming around Atlanta would put people at risk.

More plot details -

What a coincidence that the father-in-law works at the CDC in Tuberculosis research. Why did the CDC wait to inform authorities? How did he get TB in the first place? (I don’t think it was from the Father-in-Law) but who knows…

By Paul

June 5, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

Hmmm, just five months since taking power in Congress. “Six weeks ago the Democrats held a 24-point lead over Bush as the stronger leadership force in Washington; today that’s collapsed to a dead heat. The Democrats’ overall job approval rating likewise has dropped, from a 54 percent majority to 44 percent now — with the decline occurring almost exclusively among strong opponents of the Iraq War.”

So where they gonna turn? New faces? Bodes well for Thompson, Obama. Hardcore opponents of the war? Obama, altho Edwards talks a good spin (Hillary tries, but “end the war the day I take office” then listing missions that’ll take 75,000 troops….). But if Dems thought 08 was going to be a cake walk they’d better think again. People are impatient and don’t take promises and assurances of “I’m gonna give you this and this and this” so naievely any more.

Link: Six weeks and Dems blow 24-point lead, close in on Bush

By Paul

June 5, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish

Do you have Firefox set as your default browser? Go to tools - options and check. That could be the source of your shortcut problem (excuse me, “issue.” We don’t have “problems” “mistakes” or “screwups” anymore - just “issues”).

By Buy Danish

June 5, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

Speaking of drug resistant diseases, what do you think the probability of people with AIDS being quarantined is?

That^^ is a rhetorical question, as the answer is zero.

Which disease is a greater threat to the population at large at this point in time? Why all the focus on this one TB case (other than the fact that it demonstrates how incompetent our government bureaucracies are)?

Let me know if any of you need help in answering these questions.

btw, I am not downplaying the seriousness of TB - and the fact is that many of the cases are originating in….Mexico. I’m just pointing out how differently the two situations are handled by “health professionals” and the media.

By @@

June 5, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this

This is bad news for the liberals. All their hopes and dreams invested in a national healthcare system which operates so inefficiently.

(((Two tests on Andrew Speaker have turned up negative for tuberculosis bacteria, officials at National Jewish Medical and Research Center announced Monday.)))

Third time’s a charm. If that last test comes back negative, they’ll be eager to blame it on a JEWISH conspiracy.

Gawd knows they can’t blame it on inefficiency in government-funded programs. That would Bushwhack their dreams and aspirations.

By Jesus

June 5, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

{{{Mr. Obama claims he can achieve these goals by reinstating the Clinton-era income-tax rates on those earning more than $250,000; by “driving down the costs, taking on the insurance companies, making sure that they are limited in the ability to extract profits and deny coverage”; and by “mak[ing] sure the drug companies have to do what’s right by their patients instead of simply hoarding their profits.” A former community organizer in Chicago who admired the radical Saul Alinsky, Mr. Obama still talks like the college sophomore who has taken his second sociology course. This is what passes for presidential timber in the Democratic Party today?}}}

Yes, indeed it is.

Dull candidates for a dull party.

Lazy Fred looks like Abraham Lincoln compared to these dimwits, he hasn’t even announced yet.

You’re gonna hate 08®.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

{{{Not one democrat candidate thought securing America’s borders should be the highest priority. Not one thought that infiltrating and destroying terror networks should be the highest priority. Not one thought that winning in Afghanistan should be the highest priority. Not one thought that preventing a nuclear weapon from falling into the hands of terrorists should be the highest priority. They are the eight blind mice. And as al-Qaida in Iraq members might say after one of these candidates ends U.S. involvement in the war there, “See how they run!”}}}

But they thought regulating your health care was a top priority:

{{{However, nationalizing care typically saves money by denying treatment. Political bodies or bureaucracies decide who is entitled to what, and spend accordingly. The well-to-do flee to private clinics or other nations, including America, for better treatment. Everyone else suffers from inadequate or delayed care. The ill consequences are highest for those suffering from diseases requiring immediate, sophisticated, and expensive treatment.}}}

From the vent:

{{{If you liked the way the government handled the TB scare, you’re gonna love national health care.}}}

Keep shining that beacon of light down upon all of your idiocies democrats, tell us all of the intrusive, dehumanizing, unmotivating ideas you want to inflict upon us.

Please.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this

Yeah, this guy is a real moonbat liberal:

{{{Illegal immigrants in France’s sight.- France set tough new quotas for the number of illegal immigrants authorities should arrest and expel each month. Brice Hortefeux, who heads the Ministry of Immigration, Integration, National Identity and Co-Development, reiterated President Nicolas Sarkozy’s goal of 25,000 expulsions by the end of 2007 —- compared with 24,000 in 2006 —- and set a year-end goal of 125,000 arrests for alleged illegal entry or residence, a ministry statement said.}}}

Watch France’s problem just go away now that the appeasement has been stopped. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

Now this is a moonbat liberal:

{{{Like many liberals with the itch to micromanage our lives, Mr. Gore clearly believes the American people are ignorant to the point of endangerment. So he has become a media scholar, and unloaded his communications theories in a book excerpt hyped by his friends at Time magazine.}}}

Can you imagine getting up everyday being that bitter and enraged at all the other Americans not doing what you mistakenly think is right?

And then going home at night and doing exactly the same thing that you spent all day raging about, except twenty times worse than anybody else?

This guy needs to be institutionalized.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Buy Danish

June 5, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

LuckoDull,

Thanks for the great posts. I heard Dick Morris and Frank Luntz analyze the debate.

Very depressing. Hillary plans to raise SOCIAL SECURITY taxes above the $99,000 threshold to something like $200,000 of income. For the self employed particularly who pay the entire 12 1/2 per cent, that represents a huge, economy destroying, tax increase.

Other scuttlebut - Obama did not do well according to the focus groups - too “political” but Hillary came out as doing well - especially when she mentioned having Bill back in the White House to help with his philanthropic abilities.

Please tell me I’m having a bad dream.

By Goldie

June 5, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

{{Can you imagine getting up everyday being that bitter and enraged at all the other Americans not doing what you mistakenly think is right?}}

Do you ever look in the mirror at yourself, LickaDull? You definitely need to get yourself quickly to a Rage-Aholics therapy group… and stay there!

By Lord Help Us

June 5, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

Lucko-coward,

How ‘bout some examples of how Gore intends to ‘micromanage our lives?’

I’d like to compare Gore’s nefarious intentions with any Presidential candidates that support warrantless eavesdropping on Americans, the elimination of habeas corpus and torture.

My vote is important and I want to carefully weigh the candidates that best represent American (and family) values in ‘08.

Thanks in advance…

By Buy Danish

June 5, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

You’re not enraged yourself?

Hahahahahahahahaha.

LHU,

Rumor has it that Hillary listened to the audio of people who were wire-tapped people as part of opposition-research work for Bill’s campaign.

I’m not aware of any Al Qaeda members running against Bill or being part of the bimbo eruptions and The Patriot Act did not exist.

Do you think she got FISA warrants?/SARC.

FBI files, wiretapping bimbos - not a pretty picture.

By Shawny

June 5, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

Boy, that didn’t last long, as earmarks are back to being business as usual. Love those comments by Murtha. Do not trust that man.

By Paul

June 5, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

Goldie

You asked a decent quest Friday last that got zero response.

[[So, will the ‘08 elections be a referendum for change in America, or for enduring 4 more years of status quo? If the former, who would be the candidate that best represents “change”?]]

Referendum? Iraq - sure. War against Islamists - maybe if a “War on Terror a Myth” candidate makes if, if Hillary or Obama, then no. Health care/Immigration - yes - but there are deep ideological fault lines to overcome. Global warming? Maybe - as long as it doesn’t cost the average citizen too much! Change from Pres Bush? Sure - but that’s a given, as it’s the end of his second term. I still think Dems running against Bush will strengthen the Rep candidate - as he will also be running against some of Bush’s unpopular actions while enunciating proposals on them and other issues the Rep voters think have been neglected - some Dem voters, too.

So for discussion: change? Yes - but it depends upon where, and who it affects - to determine the candidate you’ll support. But Obama and Thompson have something in common - not identified with traditional Washington scene and both are seen by many as attractive agents of “change.” Rudy pulls that, too - Hillary - I don’t believe so.

By Dusty

June 5, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Thanks, LuckoDull,

Glad you mentioned the goal of the new French President. He sounds like a man who knows how to attack a problem. Wonder what our quotas/goals are for sending illegals back to their home country?

Buy Danish,

I, too, thought Hillary won the debate the other night. She seemed to have her head screwed on right not to mention the new blond hi-lites! Edwards seemed like the ever sympathizing TV lawyer who is going to “get YOUR money for you”. “Sophmoric” was a great description of Obama. So Hillary topped that crowd. The rest were just stage props. Poor Democrats. The only winner was a loser.

By DebbieDoRight

June 5, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

[Gawd knows they can’t blame it on inefficiency in government-funded programs. That would Bushwhack their dreams and aspirations.]

WOW….do republicans like ANYTHING other than Dubya, Reagan, and Money?

So what do you suggest we do about these “government funded programs” like the CDC, FDA, EPA, etc? Disban them because basically you don’t think we need a CDC, FDA, EPA, etc? And when a mass epidemic, Mad Cow/Chicken/Lamb Chop, comes to America, then what? Will you be one of the ones screaming that we should’ve “done something” before it got like this, or will you be one of the ones screaming about why no one “told us” about the dangers?

Enquiring minds wanna know…..

By DebbieDoRight

June 5, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

[Rumor has it]

That comment right there should’ve been enough for you to NOT make that statement because it IS a rumor; but I guess that would mean you’d have to take the “high road” for that to happen………

By Paul

June 5, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

Shawny 9:41

Reps try to pull a fast one, it seems obvious, not well hid. Dems, on the other hand, know how to hide their sneakiness.

Maybe that’s why condemners of Rep sneakiness on this blog haven’t condemned Dems? They just haven’t figured out what’s going on?

Money and power. They always return to the pig trough of money and power.

By Buy Danish

June 5, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

In retrospect, I think they said that Edwards won among Democrats and “Independents”, but Hillary beat Obama.

This shows how easily swayed they are by an empty suit of a trial lawyer. It must be his empty promises, ducking of questions, girlish looks, and vain behavior that appeal to them.

I hope he ends up as the candidate.

By Lord Help Us

June 5, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

BD, did you get your ‘facts’ on Hillary’s wiretapping escapades from your usual source?

If so, please wash your hands before you go out…

By Buy Danish

June 5, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

DDR,

Unlike RUMORS about “Global Warming” which have no basis in fact, I presented it as a “Rumor”, although the rumor originates from a forthcoming book.

Anyone who knows anything about Hillary knows that she hired detectives to get dirt on the bimbos. That is an undeniable fact - so the idea that she listened to wiretaps is perfectly plausible.

By DebbieDoRight

June 5, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

So you wanna start rumors and post nonsensical crap — well, good for you with your righteous, christian, god fearing self!! I bet god is looking down, smiling on you right now while you bear false witness!!! Since I’m a non denominational, heathen, I decided to play along, (my soul is already damned) Enjoy…….

The President needs to come clean with the American people about his own past sexual behavior before he tries to besmirch the humanity of people in search of sincerely committing to the same bonds of matrimony he’s afforded. He violated his own vows of monogamy having a homosexual affair with a long time family friend of whom his wife had no knowledge. His hypocrisy seems to know no bounds.

By Buy Danish

June 5, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

DDR and LHU,

I have to run out. See if you can find the answer to this puzzler in my absence:

Hmm. Phone-monitoring was a key investigative method of what notorious California-based Clinton-friendly private eye and problem solver?

By Paul

June 5, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight 9:58

What is this? If you can’t beat’em, join’em?

Buy Danish 9:58

It’s been a stalwart principle of Hillary’s campaigns to go for the “victim” role - focus on Bill’s infidelities, her long suffering and avoid her controversies. That may be the basis of why one of the new books is getting savaged by critics, the other less so -

BTW - I thought this was a particularly good article about Hillary and Vince Foster - there was so much speculation - this article portrays it in a humane, understandable way and shows what happens to so many when they get to Washington.

Link: Carl Bernstein: Hillary and Vince

By Gossip

June 5, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Rumor has it that gwb and crice have been making whoopy. Where is the outrage?

By Buy Danish

June 5, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

DDR,

What did you put in your coffee this morning? You sound a bit unhinged and may want to breathe into a paper bag or stand on your head or something and calm down.

My sources are Slate Magazine and The Huffington Post.

Their source is an upcoming book.

Are you going to tell me that we shouldn’t trust Slate and HuffPo now?

If you want the answer to the detective mystery you may want to check out notorious Right Wing rags like “Vanity Fair”.

That was a /SARC in case you didn’t get it.

By Funny morons...

June 5, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

On a trip to Great Britain, George Bush had a meeting with Queen Elizabeth. He asked her, “How does one manage to run a country so smoothly?”

“That’s easy,” she replied, “You surround yourself with intelligent ministers and advisors.”

“But how can I tell whether they are intelligent or not?” he inquired.

“You ask them a riddle,” she replied, and with that she pressed a button and said, “Would you please send Tony Blair in.”

When Blair arrived, the Queen said, “I have a riddle for you to answer for me. Your parents had a child and it was not your sister and it was not your brother. Who was this child ?”

Blair replied, “That’s easy. The child was I.”

humor, bush, rove, joke

“Very good,” said the Queen, “You may go, now.”

So President Bush went back to Washington and called in his chief of staff, Karl Rove. He said to him, “I have a riddle for you, and the answer is very important. Your parents had a child and it was not your sister and it was not your brother. Who was this child ?”

Rove replied, “Yes, it is clearly very important that we determine the answer, as no child must be left behind. Can I deliberate on this for a while?”

“Yes,” said Bush, “I’ll give you four hours to come up with the answer.”

So Rove went and called a meeting of the White House Staff, and asked them the riddle. But after much discussion and many suggestions, none of them had a satisfactory answer. So he was quite upset, not knowing what he would tell the President. As Rove was walking back toward the Oval Office, he saw former Secretary of State Colin Powell approaching him. So he said, “Mr. Secretary, can you answer this riddle for me? Your parents had a child and it was not your sister and it was not your brother. Who was the child?”

“That’s easy,” said Powell, “The child was I.”

“Oh thank you,” said Rove, “You may just have saved me my job!”

So Rove went in to the Oval Office and said to President Bush, “I think I know the answer to your riddle. The child was Colin Powell!”

“No, you idiot!” shouted Bush, “The child was Tony Blair!”

By getalife

June 5, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

Yep, they know Clinton will win so they will waste their time trying to bash the most popular people on the planet.

Tonight the gop debate. Wolfie should ask them about Newt’s comment and how they plan to fix what they broke.

We have not dug deep on the Rudy- Kerik connection yet.

That will come in the general election.

By Dusty

June 5, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

I hate to say it but Luckovich rightly places the TB fiasco blame on the TB patient, Lawyer Seller. (The drawing was terrible but the thought was good.)

Health officials thought they were dealing with an intelligent man who understood the dangers of TB. But they were wrong. This was Romeo willing to infect/kill others that he might be joined in marriage with Juliette. In other words, to heck with citizens and doctors, I’m going.

Maybe because I spent my childhood in a medical environment (father was a doctor) the dangers of TB were known to me as long as I can remember. Drugs disseminated some thought of infection. Now new virulent forms have arisen and anyone who can read must know that. Lawyer Seller had to know that but now is playing innocent. No way!!

Health officials thought they were dealing with intelligence, an attorney with a CDC doctor as backup. The officials were too lenient. The passport checker was wrong to ignore warnings. But the basic responsibility was the man who knew he had TB. No official agency can defeat all lack of responsibility by individuals. Lawyer Andrew Speaker showed us that.

By Paul

June 5, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

DDR

Nice link, thanks.

But any particular reason you left “I thought he had just an incredibly inquisitive mind … You could barely finish an explanation before he was digging into it” out of the middle of your quote? Can’t portray Bush as having a brain? Intelligence? Inquisitiveness? Especially when the source is an incredibly brilliant woman like Condi? (BTW - that reference came from Madeline Albright - whose father instructed both Madeline and Condi - and referred to them as the smartest pupils he ever had).

By Funny morons...

June 5, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

“Your side sucks.” “Your side sucks worse.” “You’re and idiot.” “So, you’re a moron.”

Just another day on the Luckovich Blog.

By hewhoasks

June 5, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

“Which disease is a greater threat to the population at large at this point in time?”

That’s the point. We (as a country) very much want to keep it the way it is: the resistant TB not a problem because it isn’t (for the most part) here.

“Ounce of prevention…”

By getalife

June 5, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

Libby showed no remorse, so he will get 2-3 years today.

Bwa.

By Funny morons...

June 5, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

…and with any luck he’ll serve the entire sentence.

Don’t hold your breath.

By DebbieDoRight

June 5, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

WHITE HOUSE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RUMORS

By Midori

June 5, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

good work, Debbie.

The can sure dish it out, but they certainly can’t take it.

I find it hilarious the “stipulations” some want to put on your “gossip”.

By Midori

June 5, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

Poor TB Guy.

Maybe if a certain hag who doesn’t believe in science spent more time at her cauldron, rather than blogging on the AJC, she would have conjured up a cure for him by now…….

By Paul

June 5, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish

Please don’t use the word “rumors” any more - even when you highlight it as sarcastic. See what you’ve started?

Trash discussions. A natural follow-on of trash journalism.

By DebbieDoRight

June 5, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

[any particular reason you left out I thought he had just an incredibly inquisitive mind … You could barely finish an explanation before he was digging into it” out of the middle of your quote?]

I thought it was a typo within the article.

[Can’t portray Bush as having a brain? Intelligence? Inquisitiveness?]

Nope.

[Especially when the source is an incredibly brilliant woman like Condi?]

One has to question her “intelligence” if she feels HE has a brain. I thought he still had to buy it from the Wizard.

By IN THE NEWS

June 5, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Addiction, Brain Damage and the President “Dry Drunk” Syndrome and George W. Bush

{{{{“Dry drunk” traits consist of:

Exaggerated self-importance and pomposity Grandiose behavior A rigid, judgmental outlook Impatience Childish behavior Irresponsible behavior Irrational rationalization Projection Overreaction}}}}

By getalife

June 5, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Looks like Edwards is right

A political bumper sticker.

Of course, it scares the wingnuts to death.

Cowards, pure and simple.

By Paul

June 5, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

DDR 10:57

Can’t tell if that response was meant to he humorous, or just illustrates an ideologue or someone who’s quite rigidly fundamentalist in their thinking.

Black/white. No gray. All/nothing. No compromise. Right/wrong. No differences of opinion. With me/against me. Ally or enemy.

So it continues…

By getalife

June 5, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

BUSH’S BOOZE CRISIS

Geez.

By Paul

June 5, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

getalife 11:04

I was ready to read the Olbermann link. I thought “finally, analysis from this guy.” Then I read the trailer:

“from the mind-bending idea that four guys dressed as Pizza Delivery men were going to out-gun all the soldiers at Fort Dix…”

A telephone call from one of his staffers to the Public Affairs people at Ft Dix would likely have told him it’s illegal to bring firearms on the base, you can’t store firearms in post housing, the military police are the only ones armed, the only other weapons are locked in a vault (armory) with the access codes limited to a few.

So yeah, four guys with automatic weapons, at the shopping center/fast food complex (with a high proportion of women, children and retirees) or day care center or the headquarters building would have killed and maimed scores.

The four would have outgunned most of the soldiers. Except the MPs on patrol.

So much for Olberman’s supporting facts in his analysis. Maybe next time will be better.

By Buy Danish

June 5, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Hilarious reaction from the moonbats.

Let me rephrase my original statement:

Fact:

According to 2 New York Times Reporters, Hillary Clinton listened into conversations procured by private detectives she hired as part of her opposition-research.

Opinion:

Considering her past encounters with private detectives, with FBI files, her fingerprints on the Rose Law Firm billing records that somehow ended up in the Map Room, and the fact that Independent prosecutor Ray stated that she was not truthful in her depositions, I conclude that the above is more than likely to be true, with a far greater degree of certainty than the theory that CO2 causes “global warming”.

later!

By Gossip

June 5, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Rumor has it that bush joined a Satanic cult called “Skull and Bones”. Thus the satanic sign he always makes with his fingers.

By getalife

June 5, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Don’t bother Paul.

You do not want to see the truth, keep reading the National Enquirer like BD.

There is no honest debate when you refuse to even think about the truth.

Spin and lies.

Your posts are all bs.

By Paul

June 5, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish 11:24

Fair enough. Want to bet if your style will be emulated? BTW - pls check the link regarding Hillary and Foster. It’s not salacious gossip - more in tone of “okay, lots of speculation - can one understand professional, proper associations, friendship, support, and watch it all flush down the toilet drain of the Washington swamp?

I like this new Firefox -

By Dusty

June 5, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

What is this? National Inquirer Day at the Lucko blog? The wild stories posted here today sound like Democratic Dirt from Dungeon Dugouts. What tripe!

I’m not surprised at IN THE NEWS, getalife, Goldie, Midori and other desperate Demos. But I had thought that maybe DebbieDoLittle was not completely brain-washed.

Now I know better. She. too, is a rote reporter of fat lies and petty propaganda. Sad indeed.

By getalife

June 5, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

Hell Dusty,

You but into all w’s bs.

You should love this stuff.

It does not get any dumber than Dusty.

Geez.

By getalife

June 5, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Vermont wants out of the union.

And so it starts.

By Paul

June 5, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

getalife 11:28

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Optimism: hoping for a good outcome.

My talks with you: Both.

But optimism occasionally wins out -

I will say my impression of Olberman is as an ideologue. I don’t know what he’ll do with his career when Bush leaves the White House. I think I view the war against radical Muslims as more serious and encompassing than does Olbermann. My impression is he views it as a Bush creation to advance a fascist agenda for America. I’m okay with delineating what I see as Administration screwups. There are plenty of examples. I just don’t view Islamic fundamentalist attempted strikes against the West as part of a Bush fear campaign.

By Paul

June 5, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

getalife 11:33

Is the discussion about the reality of radical Islamic fundamentalists who want and will try to kill Westerners, or is it about their occasional lack of professional competence, which, when witnessed, is discounted as a Bush fear campaign?

I’ll be gone for a bit - back late - Cheers -

By DebbieDoRight

June 5, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

[What is this? National Inquirer Day at the Lucko blog? The wild stories posted here today sound like Democratic Dirt from Dungeon Dugouts. What tripe!]

Oh come on Dusty!! I thought you had a sense of humor!!! Besides, I’ve read worse crap on the Elizabeth Bathory’s OOOPS, Anne Coulter’s web page.

Sorry about the Bathory slip, since they’re both blood sucking vixens I get them confused all the time…..

By getalife

June 5, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Libby gets 30 months should have got 30 years.

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

{{{By IN THE PROPAGANDA June 5, 2007 11:00 AM {{{{“Dry drunk” traits consist of: Exaggerated self-importance and pomposity Grandiose behavior A rigid, judgmental outlook Impatience Childish behavior Irresponsible behavior Irrational rationalization Projection Overreaction}}}}

This describes al-Gitmo almost perfectly except there is nothing in there about being a sniveling Coward.

Maybe that makes him a “wet” drunk?

Geez.

{{{By getalife June 5, 2007 11:33 AM It would have been next to impossible to cause an explosion in the jet fuel tanks and pipeline. Furthermore, the plotters seem to have lacked the explosives and financial backing to carry out the attack.}}}

al-Gitmo: How could we ever doubt the terrorism experts at Yahoo! “news?”

I’m sure they spent a bunch of time mulling over how to blow up Kennedy and decided the jet fuel was no good, they crossed that off their list years ago, I’ll bet.

BTW, any blooming idiot can tell you that jet fuel being pumped through a pipe under pressure doesn’t burn until it is outside of the pipe, you know, it’s like duh.

And once outside the pipe there is no reason for the pumps to stop so they just keep on adding jet fuel to the fire until someone finds the off button.

This would have been a major disaster.

And if you were to bust some C4 on the side of a jet fuel storage tank, nah, that wouldn’t have done squat, other than flatten a few terminals and planes full of passengers.

Cowards.

Take your Yahoo! and stick it.

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By getalife

June 5, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Go back to Wooten’s Andy, you are all washed up here.

Strike one on lazy fred backing the convicted felon Libby.

Shows his criminal character.

He should not even run since he will not debate.

By Goldie

June 5, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Poor Scooter— he shouldn’t have fallen on his sword for Darth Vader Cheney back in 2003…

Sow. Reap.

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

We need to confess that the jihadists are not only keen students of insurgency warfare, but good observers of the American psyche. We think their kidnapping, childish infomercials, gruesome tactics, and horrific websites are primordial and counterproductive; but they are more likely horrifically simple in inciting the most basic fears and self-preservation instincts of ordinary people. Precisely because decapitation belongs to a different century makes it more gruesome now, not less. Because the al Qaedists steal many of their talking points from the Western Left does not make them unimaginative as much as eerily familiar. And because we can daily predict the serial barbarity of the jihadists makes it not so much unimaginative as savagely inevitable.

The true sadness here is that people have to be told the jihad is barbaric, geez.

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{{{By getalife June 5, 2007 12:17 PM Go back to Wooten’s Andy, you are all washed up here. Strike one on lazy fred backing the convicted felon Libby.}}}

al-Gitmo: Every time I post something here the phone rings at the AJC.

I rule over you Cowards, I see you scrambling.

Libby is far more innocent than, let’s say, Bergler, and when Bush pardons him in 08 it will be just in time for Thompson to give him a cabinet position in his presidency.

KMA.

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By Dusty

June 5, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight @11:47

Yes, Debbie, I do have a sense of humor. But there has to be some basis of the delightful to bring about a response.

In other words, I haven’t seen anything “funny” posted here. Just pitiful propaganda trying to demolish the reputation of the President of the USA. Proponents of terrorism are trying to do the same thing. I don’t think either of you are humorous or truthful.

I don’t read Coulter or the other one you mentioned. They are not my type. I am not looking for “ammunition”. I simply want what is best for this country. Running down the president with trash is not the way to do it.

I’m out of here. Have fun..

By Midori

June 5, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Goldie/Getalife,

well, since Plame wasn’t really “covert” in Wingnut Land, maybe this sentence is a figment of the imagination as well?

I mean, how can you lie about and obstruct justice during an investigation in which the target wasn’t really a covert agent?

We know she wasn’t covert, because she drove to work every day, all of her neighbors knew she was a CIA agent (heck, even the neighborhood dogs and cats knew it, DUH!!), her husband went to cocktail parties and bragged about sleeping with “my wife the CIA spy”, and besides, all she did at the CIA was desk work (secretaries are so special, aren’t they?) and set up junkets for her husband to Africa at taxpayer expense (that’s one powerful secretary!!)

By Goldie

June 5, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

Midori— my heart really bleeds water for those criminals in the White House and Pentagon.

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

{{{From the early days of the Kyoto Protocol, one of the not-so-hidden agendas of the Europeans was to use climate-change agreements to hobble the American economy, so much so that even the Clinton administration felt compelled to push back. Bush has firmly rejected hard emissions caps and international tradable-emissions schemes (cap and trade). Two weeks ago the Department of Energy released preliminary figures showing that U.S. GHG emissions declined by 1.3 percent in 2006 while the economy grew by 3.3. percent. This is significant: It is the first time U.S. GHG emissions have fallen in a non-recessionary year. In most European nations, GHG emissions went up last year; in fact, the U.S. has improved its energy efficiency faster than Europe over the last six years. By the time Bush leaves office in 2009, U.S. GHG emissions will have risen only about half as much as they did during the Clinton years.}}}

All talk but no action, maybe the new wingnuts in charge of Europe will back up all of their hot air.

As soon as a lib gets elected to the United States presidency, you can bet your sweet tooshie that they will make this country subservient to the whims of Europe, what a better way to get back their superpower status than ruining us?

Cowards.

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By The Watcher

June 5, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

shall we all e-mail Wolfie and ask him to open up the debate tonight with, “If you are the next President would you pardon Scooter?”…..

By Midori

June 5, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

The Nexus Of Politics And Terror

By One Voice

June 5, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

Well, well, the first bush administration official has been sent to prison. When do bush, Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al. get their day in the slammer?

andi, you’re a coward.

dusty, I’m surprised you even try to talk to DDR after the constant arse whooping she puts on you for your hypocritical, pseudo-patriotic, unAmerican behavior.

By mm

June 5, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Luckodull at 12:01.

You are so wrong about the extent of the damage to JFK.

This incident was fearmongering at it’s best.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19004393/

By IN THE NEWS

June 5, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

Toying With Terror Alerts?

By getalife

June 5, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

Wingnut wooten is crying for a libby pardon

By IN THE NEWS

June 5, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

Timeline of Terror Alerts

By IN THE NEWS

June 5, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

FIGHTING THEM OVER THERE SO THEY DON”T MAKE LUCKODULL HAVE TO SIT BEHIND HIS KEYBOARD AND LOAD UP HOLLOW POINTS>

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By getalife

June 5, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

Midori,

“joe wilson” has a big smile:)

By regulator

June 5, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

Scooter will soon be learning how to scoot around his cell.

By IN THE NEWS

June 5, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

Terror Alerts - Substance or Politics?

By Goldie

June 5, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

Getalife @ 1:20— Thanks for the Wooten link… those wingnuts obviously believe that America is a “country of laws” for only certain — ahem — types of people, know whad-i-mean?

By IN THE NEWS

June 5, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

Op-ed: Deploy Rove’s smear tactics against al Qaeda

{{{In Iraq, Rove could start a whispering campaign —source unknown, of course —that accuses Muqtada al-Sadr of selling out to the Americans in exchange for immunity and a life of Western luxury and excess while in exile. What Muslim idealist would offer himself for a leader corrupted by Western culture?}}}}

By IN THE NEWS

June 5, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

GOLDIE

YOU MEAN BOR’S WHITE MALE POWER STRUCTURE?

By getalife

June 5, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

The believe elites are above the law.

The judge disagrees.

Nobody is above the law.

We were a nation of laws and we will get back to that in 08.

By @@

June 5, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

DDR @ 9:48:

(((So what do you suggest we do about these “government funded programs” like the CDC, FDA, EPA, etc? Disban them because basically you don’t think we need a CDC, FDA, EPA, etc?)))

How about we hold them accountable for their inefficiency? Promote them based on merit? Fire them if they’re underperforming?

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” if you will.

Let me guess though; you, in your infinite wisdom, and being “liberal” with my money, would have me throw more money at them in the “hopes” that they would perform efficiently, and in my best interest.

At some point Debs, you’ve got to accept the reality that government can become “SO BIG”, that it ceases to be effective.

By getalife

June 5, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

We are at that point @@.

Newt and the Dem candidates have been telling you this reality.

Geez.

By @@

June 5, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

OMG Debbie, I’m just catching up here.

So tell me, was your concern over Bush’s extra-marital affairs because they were homosexual, bi-racial or just BS?

You’re posting them as though they’re true, so I assume you’re not concerned with the fact that it’s bs.

By the same token, Clinton gets your blessings for having engaged in extra-marital affairs. I don’t recall anything about a black woman or a homosexual male though so it must be your intolerance of both that is upsetting you.

Go figure.

My attitude, as it concerns liberals such as yourself, is “Why bother?”

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

{{{By morom June 5, 2007 1:05 PM Luckodull at 12:01. You are so wrong about the extent of the damage to JFK.}}}

Of course not, burning jet fuel is harmless:

An elevated section of highway that funnels traffic from the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge to a number of key freeways was destroyed early Sunday after flames from an overturned gasoline truck caused part of one overpass to melt and collapse onto another.

You silly Cowards, that was one truck that turned over that took out an entire bridge, these cut throats wanted to light up whole neighborhoods and airports.

Stupid sniveling panty waists, your agenda doesn’t allow a credible terrorist threat so change the story around to suit your moron political beliefs.

And endanger thousands of Americans doing it.

See how these as-sholes shriek and scream about the weather but gigantic flaming fountains of jet fuel are no big worry.

GTH.

Cowards.

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By The Watcher

June 5, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

Hey, guys

If Wolfie asks this question tonight….

“If you are elected president, how, if at all, would you use former President George W. Bush in your administration?”

What kind of answers do you think he’ll get?

By @@

June 5, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

It’s not just Newt. A lot of Republicans felt the same way in ‘06; that’s why they gave the Democrats a chance.

I hope you’ve been following their (Dem) legislation on “earmarks”. Do they have your ear on that one? Doing “it” in the backroom, out of public view doesn’t alter the fact that they’re doing “it” too. It just points to their deceptive ways.

Promoting a national healthcare policy is an impending government fiasco of GREATER proportions. One has only to see where it has failed in other countries to make that prediction.

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

Had this US attorney hinted around that Bush hired her for political reasons the liberals would have taken her word as though she were George Washington but since it’s just about the Islamic loonies that kill thousands of people at a time:

{{{Had the defendants carried out their plan, it could have resulted in “unfathomable damage, deaths, and destruction,” said US Attorney Roslynn Mauskopf in announcing the charges.}}}

now she’s a liar.

Geez.

Cowards.

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By IN THE NEWS

June 5, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

JFK airport plot foiled — and flawed

{{{{But experts cast severe doubt on the practicalities of the plot. JFK airport, like other airports around the world, is fed by a series of pipelines that supply jet fuel and heating oil. In many cases the pipes are beneath the tarmac and are laid directly to the gates where planes park.

But sabotaging part of the system would be highly unlikely to lead to a chain explosion. Also, jet fuel does not produce an explosive force unless it is under pressure or vapourised; and pipelines and tanks have safety valves to contain any mishap.}}}}

EACH ONE OF THE FOUR GUYS ARRESTED SO FAR HAVE ADMITTED THEY WERE AFTER LUCKODULL - THATS WHY HE”S STILL SO SCARED

By Midori

June 5, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

{{{{{{You’re posting them as though they’re true, so I assume you’re not concerned with the fact that it’s bs.}}}}}}

and how, pray tell, do “you” know that?

By Corn Hole

June 5, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - Former White House aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby was sentenced to 2 1/2 years in prison Tuesday for lying and obstructing the CIA leak investigation.

Scootah betta stock up on the jumbo economy jar of vaseline. He’ll be gettin out when Boy George pardons his sorry azz but he’s still gonna be shuckin a lotta corn for the next couple years.

With a name like ‘Scootah’ he’s a gonna be everybody’s darlin. If they let him have a video camera, maybe he can start a new franchise of ‘Boys Gone Wild’!

By Goldie

June 5, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

{{YOU MEAN BOR’S WHITE MALE POWER STRUCTURE?}}

In the News @ 1:37— LMAO! I was hysterical while listening to Bill “Orally” the other night rant about THOSE PEOPLE attempting to take power away from “us white Christian males”… the nerve of those people!

By getalife

June 5, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

@@,

Of course, I see the earmarks are not going away. Business as usual but there are not enough votes to change it.

Have you read the healthcare plans by the dems? Its for Americans so you hate it.

Does the gop have one or is it stay the course as usual?

You should come back to the good guys.

By getalife

June 5, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

BO calls it a secular progressive movement attacking “white power”.

McTemper agrees with him.

Go figure.

Jim is getting hammered on his pardon position but you will see the gop candidates do the same tonight.

They think “white power” is above the law.

Lazy fred already stated this criminal enabler poistion.

We need leaders who follow the laws and do not think they are above the laws.

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

{{{By IN THE PROPAGANDA June 5, 2007 2:13 PM and pipelines and tanks have safety valves to contain any mishap.}}}

So a safety valve would have stopped a charge of C4 from blowing apart a jet fuel storage tank and igniting the contents, eh?

Any of you educated people want to agree with that?

Geez.

Now “news” reporters are demolition experts, like no one has ever seen the huge fires at refineries, oil rigs, the World Trade Center.

{{{The 2005 Hertfordshire Oil Storage Terminal fire was caused by a series of explosions early on the morning of 11 December 2005. The terminal, generally known as the Buncefield Depot, is an oil storage facility located near the M1 motorway on the edge of Hemel Hempstead in Hertfordshire, England. These were some of the largest explosions ever to occur in the country, and the incident has been described as the biggest of its kind in peacetime Europe.}}}

{{{According to news sources, a barge loaded with fuel exploded at a loading dock on Staten Island on the morning of February 21, 2003, shaking buildings for miles around and sending a column of thick black smoke into the air. Initial reports from Staten Island officials indicate the explosion was the result of an accident, not terrorism or sabotage. The barge was unloading 100,000 gallons of unleaded gas when the explosion occurred. Hours after the explosion, the burning fuel was producing heavy black smoke and flames reaching upwards of 100 feet in the air.}}}

Keep it up, junior, let everyone know how completely stupid and what total liars you libs are.

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By @@

June 5, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

Well Midori, the very fact that your “esteemed” colleagues in the Democratic party aren’t investigating the bs clearly indicates there’s nothing to investigate.

Really now, what’s one more endless witch hunt when they’ve got so many going on right now?

I’m a firm believer in the old adage;

“Them that can do…them that can’t teach” or TEACH others what to think.

Condoleeza Rice IS Secretary of State. Marcus Mabry WRITES from his own personal views.

So tell me Midori…what exactly are you and Debbie thinking, or are you saving the energy and letting Mabry do it for you?

By mm

June 5, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Luckonut, I knew I could count on you to twist this around.

What does a burning gas tanker have to do with a pressurized gas line?

The facts were stated by an expert.

The fiction was stated by a wingnut.

@@ - The fiasco is allowing health insurance companies to get rich while denying treatment. I’m lucky, I have extremely good health insurance. Most people are not so lucky.

By getalife

June 5, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Desperately googling Andy.

Geez.

By The Watcher

June 5, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

Yo Wingnuts….

Last time I saw the Republican candidates on the stage they all talked about improving the healtcare system by creating a market based plan.

Since our current market based plan sucks the big one, what do you think they meant?

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

{{{By Anti Radical June 5, 2007 2:17 PM Scootah betta stock up on the jumbo economy jar of vaseline. He’ll be gettin out when Boy George pardons his sorry azz but he’s still gonna be shuckin a lotta corn for the next couple years.}}}

Spammie: How old are you?

Seriously.

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{{{{By Major Moron June 5, 2007 2:44 PM What does a burning gas tanker have to do with a pressurized gas line?}}}

Last post to major moron:

{{{Alleged target: A field of storage tanks is on the grounds of the John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York. The FBI’s takedown of a alleged plot to blow up the major jet-fuel tanks.}}}

Any more stupid, mindless questions, keep them to yourself.

Coward.

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By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

{{{By getalife June 5, 2007 2:50 PM Desperately googling Andy.}}}

al-Gitmo: Grown moonbats are desperately trying to convey the utterly ridiculous idea that huge flaming fountains of jet fuel in residential neighborhoods are no big deal.

Are you dumb as-ses gonna remember this the next time you reject a new refinery being built because it’s “too dangerous” hahaha?

How about a nuke plant? Are those “safe” now too because the terrorists are targeting them?

Natural gas terminals? Harmless, right?

Geez, you liberals are an absolute joke.

Unbelievable.

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By rushncap

June 5, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

Scoot scoot! Hey maybe Libby and Hilton can do a reality show: Real Life - Big House. Good riddance to both of ‘em.

By IN THE NEWS

June 5, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

A run on terror

{{{{Terror, like ecstasy, tends to magnify perceptions. Just as affection becomes adoration in the physical act of love, so too does vigilance sometimes become morbid obsession in the face of spectacular violence…… Is all this necessary? One of the remarkable things about September 11 is that there was no follow-up—no shopping malls were firebombed, no bridges destroyed, no power plants assaulted. This is, no doubt, partly the result of our post-2001 obsession with preventing just such disasters. We must at least consider the possibility, however, that this also represents a lack of wherewithal on the part of would-be terrorists…… Contrary to the administration’s claims, the War on Terror is not “a challenge as formidable as any ever faced by our nation.” It is not the Cold War, in which our enemy did in fact have the ability to destroy the Earth……}}}}

LUCKODULL IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN HERE IN THE LAND OF THE BRAVE

By DebbieDoRight

June 5, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

[[At some point Debs, you’ve got to accept the reality that government can become “SO BIG”, that it ceases to be effective.]]

Hmmm big and ineffective government; you mean like Dubya’s since he’s been in power?

@@ also, about the rumors……hey, it’s amazing how you guys can dish it out, “Hillary is evil, Bill is a rapist, Kerry is a NOT a war hero, Max Cleland is a coward and lied about his injuries in VietNam” etc., etc., etc., the list is endless. You can dish it out, repeat it, and eat it up like candy, but when I sling it back to you; you guys start crying like bullies in the playground after they got smacked down by the little kid with the glasses.

Sometimes I can take the Repuglican crap with a grain of salt; and sometimes i like to sling it right back at ya. Enjoy.

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

{{{By IN THE PROPAGANDA June 5, 2007 3:07 PM A run on terror, Blah, Blah, Blah}}}

Prop: Or you could say that George Bush is kicking Al Qaeda’s as-s.

Like he did the democrats.

Coward.

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By DebbieDoRight

June 5, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

[[By the same token, Clinton gets your blessings for having engaged in extra-marital affairs.]]

When did I say that? I said it’s between him and his wife how his marriage turns out. I’m of the “judge ye not” crowd.

[I don’t recall anything about a black woman or a homosexual male though so it must be your intolerance of both that is upsetting you]]

Skin color, sexual orientation and gender is NOT one of my issues………I think that’s a Republican hang up.

By Buy Danish

June 5, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I’m just zipping through and haven’t had a chance to read the entire story about Vince and Hillary, but I promise I will.

What I’ve read so far was most enlightening.

First the unintentionally funny part:

{{{Foster and Hubbell poked fun at her intensity, tutored her in the traditions of Little Rock and looked out for her like a little sister. The three often went to lunch at the Lafayette hotel. Sometimes they watched lingerie shows there, a popular lunchtime entertainment of the era, in which models showed off nightgowns and their bodies. Hillary laughed at her two partners and told them what Neanderthals they were}}}

Like they had to drag Hillary along to watch women parading around in nightgowns.

Now for the scary part:

SEVERAL days after Bill Clinton was elected president in November 1992, Hillary talked by telephone to Dick Morris, their political adviser during the Arkansas years, about her formal role in the new administration.//Hillary noted that Time magazine had suggested she would make a good White House chief of staff. Morris said it was a terrible idea because a chief of staff, among other things, was the person who had to take the heat for the commander-in-chief//…Hillary then raised the possibility that she might make a good attorney-general or a reasonable secretary of education.

What a sense of entitlement!

I’ll read the rest later.

By DebbieDoRight

June 5, 2007 3:15 PM | Link to this

[Prop: Or you could say that George Bush is kicking Al Qaeda’s as-s. Like he did the democrats.]

Or like he did that bottle of Jim Beam and that pretzel he ate last night…..

By Midori

June 5, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

Kick her stupid a$$, Debbie!!!

By @@

June 5, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

mm:

I’m going to agree with you on one hand and disagree with you on the other.

Absolutely, there should be healthcare for those that can’t afford it. It should be pursued through incentives offered to businesses, motivating them to provide it for their employees, with the employees themselves contributing. Employer to employee…we’re in this together approach.

For those in our society who are unable to acquire it through no fault of their own, the government (you and I) are obligated to provide for them.

But, for you to assume that government could/would put forth a healthcare program when no competition or incentive structure motivates them, would be like watching a head-on collision in slow motion.

There have been too many studies done that discourage a government funded healthcare policy. Quite a few of them come from academics within the hallowed halls of higher learning.

No special interest groups in those places now is there? except of course, the groups that promote liberal thought. Ironic isn’t it? A conservative must have slipped into Stanford unnoticed.

By Midori

June 5, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

Some things never change. Is “pretzel” the new street name for blow?:

A new book by Texas author J.H. Hatfield claims that George W. Bush was arrested for cocaine possession in 1972, but had his record expunged with help from his family’s political connections. In an afterword to his book “Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an American President” (St. Martin’s), Hatfield says he took a second look at the Bush cocaine allegations after a story in Salon reporting allegations that Bush did community service for the crime at the Martin Luther King Jr. Community Center in Houston’s Third Ward.

By contrast, “First Son: George W. Bush and the Family Dynasty,” by Dallas Morning News reporter Bill Minutaglio, says George Bush Sr. referred his son to Project P.U.L.L. after an incident in which George W. drove drunk with his younger brother Marvin in the car.

But Hatfield quotes “a high-ranking advisor to Bush” who confirmed that Bush was arrested for cocaine possession in Houston in 1972, and had the record expunged by a judge who was “a fellow Republican and elected official” who helped Bush get off “with a little community service at a minority youth center instead of having to pick cotton on a Texas prison farm.”

By The Watcher

June 5, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

{{{[By the same token, Clinton gets your blessings for having engaged in extra-marital affairs}}}}}

Bless Dick Cheney and the DC Madam….?

By DebbieDoRight

June 5, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

[Condoleeza Rice IS Secretary of State. Marcus Mabry WRITES from his own personal views.]

He had FULL cooperation from Rice. If she, rice, thinks what was written is slanderous and/or lies, she has the right to sue for defamation. HOWEVER if it is true, well……..

[[So tell me Midori…what exactly are you and Debbie thinking, or are you saving the energy and letting Mabry do it for you?]]

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk @@ so much pent up agression. You need to get out more.

By Midori

June 5, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

Hatfield quotes a former Yale classmate who told him: “George W. was arrested for possession of cocaine in 1972, but due to his father’s connections, the entire record was expunged by a state judge whom the older Bush helped get elected. It was one of those ‘behind closed doors in the judges’ chambers’ kind of thing between the old man and one of his Texas cronies who owed him a favor … There’s only a handful of us that know the truth.”

Another source named only as “a longtime Bush friend” described the situation this way: “Say you get a D in algebra … and now you’re going to be required to repeat the class the following year, but your teacher says if you promise to be tutored during the summer by a friend of hers who’s good in math, she’ll change the D to a C. You spend a few hours a week during the summer vacation learning all about arithmetical operations and relationships, and then the teacher issues you a new report card, replacing the old one on file in the principal’s office … Something akin to that scenario is what happened with Bush in 1972.”

Hatfield also says that when he asked Scott McClellan to comment on the allegation of a former Yale classmate of Bush’s that the presidential hopeful was arrested for cocaine possession in 1972 and had his record expunged in exchange for community service at Project P.U.L.L., the Bush campaign spokesman said, sotto voce, “Oh, s**,” followed by, “No comment.”

By georgia 74

June 5, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Boy you wingnuts got your asses handed to you today, better tuck your tails and run.

By Paul

June 5, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

“Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.”

Eleanor Roosevelt

By DebbieDoRight

June 5, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Midori that is a blatant LIE about Dumbya!! It wasn’t HIM doing crack, ummm cocaine!! It was the Mexicans and the Hip Hop Generation! Stop your lying on a GREAT AMERICAN!!!

Dumbya is a GREAT AMERICAN and smarter than a Kindergartner!!!! As seen by this excerpt from the movie Farenheit 911 below:

George Bush Junior responds to 9/11 by sitting in a kindergarten class, dazed, way out of his educational depth, holding the book “My Pet Goat” upside down.

GWBUSH is a GREAT AMERICAN!!!

By mm

June 5, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

@@ - I’m not backing a government run healthcare system because I haven’t seen any proposals. All of the candidates want to talk about it but nobody wants to propose a solution. I’m just saying the current system is broken.

Luckodull - You are laughable. Please call 1-800-waaaaah. BOO

By The Watcher

June 5, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

Paul,

“It is not fair to ask of others what you are unwilling to do yourself.” Eleanor Roosevelt

Paul aren’t you young enough to be serving in our military?

“Justice cannot be for one side alone, but must be for both.” Eleanor Roosevelt

The justice system in this country found Scooter guilty, do you want him pardoned?

“Learn from the mistakes of others. You can’t live long enough to make them all yourself” Eleanor Roosevelt

Do you support pre-emptive war?

“Life was meant to be lived, and curiosity must be kept alive. One must never, for whatever reason, turn his back on life.” Eleanor Roosevelt

Do you oppose asking questions of our government?

For your info….

Eleanor Roosevelt’s Uncle Teddy taught her that she “owed something back to those less fortunate.

1939 Eleanor defies segregation laws when she sits between whites and blacks at the Southern Conference for Human Welfare in Birmingham, Alabama; She arranges for Marian Anderson to sing at the Lincoln Memorial on Easter Sunday.

1945 Eleanor influences the Army Nurse Corps to open its membership to black women; She joins the NAACP board of directors.

1946 Eleanor is elected as head of the United Nations Human Rights Commission;

1958 Eleanor speaks at a civil rights workshop at Highlander Folk School in Tennessee despite threats from the Ku Klux Klan.

Paul, you are a young one….and can be forgiven for your snarky tone, especially since you have shown an interest in the wonderful Eleanor.

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

{{{By Midori June 5, 2007 3:26 PM A new book by Texas author J.H. Hatfield claims that George W. Bush was arrested for cocaine possession in 1972, but had his record expunged}}}

If enough moonbats say it, the it must be real! Even though there is no proof.

But:

{{{Through his book, Obama has become the first potential presidential contender to admit trying cocaine.}}}

It’s a lie! Even though Snowflake admitted it, it’s still a lie! Or it don’t matter, that’s right, it doesn’t matter if he snorted coke! He’s not a Republican so there!

You libs are a trip.

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By @@

June 5, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

Debbie:

Hillary’s proposed policies are subversive; kinda like Hugo’s. They appeal to the needy but undermine them while promoting only Hillary. Bill is a self-admitted liar. John Kerry was in the war and made heroic efforts to endanger his comrades during his testimony before Congress. Max Cleland served, but as I recall, his injuries were accidental, not on the battlefield. Didn’t he step off a helicopter on his way to get a beer, picked up a hand grenade that had been dropped by an inexperienced soldier who left the grenade on a hair trigger setting? I guess you could say Cleland saved lives that day, but it wasn’t his intended goal, and it wasn’t on the field of combat.

I pretty much take everything the radical left posts with a grain of salt Debbie. I hold my cursor over the link and when I see the “fever swamp” source I don’t even bother to read.

(((When did I say that? I said it’s between him and his wife how his marriage turns out. I’m of the “judge ye not” crowd.)))

You could have fooled me Debbie. You’re links say otherwise.

(((Skin color, sexual orientation and gender is NOT one of my issues………I think that’s a Republican hang up.)))

See ^^^ there Debs, that’s what happens when you try to think. I’m a conservative, but it’s not a hang-up for me.

Midori:

How goes it with you today? Are you downed, bummed or just bi-tching today? What’s got you sniffing Debbie from behind? Do you like it back there?

By IN THE NEWS

June 5, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

Petraeus: ‘We Haven’t Started The Surge Yet’

{{{In the midst of the congressional debate over war funding, Gen. David Petraeus pushed back against a withdrawal timeline from Iraq “because we’re only about two months into the surge}}}

YO DAVE>>>WHICH IS IT?

IS THE ESCALATION OF THE OCCUPATION ON OR NOT?

By @@

June 5, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

..Oh, and Midori; this is pure speculation on my part, but I think you would have to bend over, put your head between your legs to sniff Debbie’s backside.

But hey…whatever floats your boat Midori.

By Gonna love 08

June 5, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Yeah Buy Danish this Global Warming needs to be debunked:

The UK has just experienced its warmest Spring since records began, according to new figures from the Met Office.

With average temperatures in March, April and May all topping their warmest ever since 1914, the UK average temperature for the entire Spring was 9.0C - beating the previous record of 8.8 C set in 1945.

Our sweltering Spring follows one of the warmest recorded winters, and a run of record-breaking years - the last five years are the warmest on record.

The heatwave is not just confined to the UK, however.

Yep Global warming doesnt exist,, idiot

By @@ 's MOM

June 5, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this

You kiss me with that mouth?

By @@

June 5, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

mm:

(((@@ - I’m not backing a government run healthcare system because I haven’t seen any proposals.)))

Wise…very wise. You would also be wise to let the Democrats know that you don’t support a government run healthcare system because that appears to be what they’re promoting in their own self-interest.

It’s those little leftist baby steps that leave baby Hugos flat on their backsides; unable to walk on their own.

It sucks to be the odd man out, doesn’t it mm? ;-)

By DebbieDoRight

June 5, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

@@ So sorry you can’t take a joke. You sure can tell one! That one about Kerry was a humdinger!!! And how about the one about Cleland? At least he got off his a$$ and WENT to VietNam; not unlike your great War Hero, Dumbya, who stayed behind to protect the cactus in Texas!!!

But hey seriously, I had already stated I was posting RUMORS just like BD did. Why aren’t you mad at BD for the RUMORS she posted about Hillary hmmmm? OH THAT’S RIGHT, that would mean that you’d have to turn in your ConServATron card and think on your own huh!?!

Oh, BTW the one about Midori is just plain low and uncalled for. I have NEVER seen you stoop to personal insults on the blog before, you’re starting to sound like Luckodull.

By Gonna Love 08

June 5, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

Lucko Dull,

I have 3 people that watched Dubya snort some of the columbian powder at a party here in big D,also there was Sen John Tower a man who partied so much he couldnt get appointed as Sec of Defense, and they told me about this before Dubya was even known im talking late 70’s here. So try to debunk it all you want, he is a former coke head.

By Paul

June 5, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

Watcher 3:55

[[Paul aren’t you young enough to be serving in our military?]]

Getting personal again? By “our” do you mean US? (That’s United States, not our=us). Or do you want to know if I’m in my mid-seventies?

Re: Scooter - too soon & on this blog it just degenerates into “wingnut/moonbat” diatribe. You may want to check Fred Thompson’s comments as a starting point for a discussion. But in general, I’m pretty much for a greatly restrictive role for special prosecutors. Lots money, little to show going back the last couple of administrations. There are easier ways for Justice lawyers to get promoted.

Pre-emptive war? Depends. List the circumstances. Greeks against the Persians, 5th century BC? Various countries/regions/empires against Alexander the Great,? China against Mongols, 13th century? Russia vs Sweden, also 13th? Spain vs Islamic Umayyad Empire, 8th century? As I said - depends. You may want to research US military doctrine if it’s current times to which you’re referring.

Do I support asking questions of gov’t? That is the essence of form of gov’t. That, and being left alone by control freaks and socially correct do-gooders.

By Midori

June 5, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

exclusive!!!

untouched photo of Fred Thompson’s wedding

Oh Andy - STFU (OR THE TERRAISTS WILL WIN!!!!!)

By DebbieDoRight

June 5, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

Paul is a repubilcan lawyer!!! See how craftily he DOESN’t answer those questions!!! you go boy!

By IN THE NEWS

June 5, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

“It is June the 5th. Let’s take a moment to remember a great progressive who was shot on this day….Imagine how different America and the world would be if RFK had been elected in 1968 instead of Nixon. We could have truly become one America if he had lived.

==His brother, Senator Ted Kennedy, eulogized him with the words, “My brother need not be idealized or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life, to be remembered simply as a good and decent man, who saw wrong and tried to right it, saw suffering and tried to heal it, saw war and tried to stop it.”==

“Some men see things as they are and say ‘Why?’ I dream things that never were and say, ‘Why not?’”—RFK”

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

Gonna Hate 08,

I have 3 people that watched Bill Clinton snort some of the columbian powder at a party here in big D,also there was Sen John Tower a man who partied so much he couldnt get appointed as Sec of Defense, and they told me about this before Bubba was even known im talking late 70’s here. So try to debunk it all you want, he is a former coke head. And he likes men, so I’ve heard.

Geez.

Coward.

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By Midori

June 5, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

LOL, DDR

poor widdle @@ (short for @ssinine @lbatross) can dish it out, but can’t take it.

someone call the wahhhhbulence.

WOW, Look at how Paul snapped back from derider to “dignifer”, and back to derider again.

Does that hurt? I have some pain pills (I’m friendly with Rush’s maid).

By Paul

June 5, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

In the news 4:35

Good reminder - thx.

By Midori

June 5, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this

ROFL

{{{{And he likes men, so I’ve heard.}}}}

too easy!!!

you know, how? cause you’re one of those “men”?

ROFL!!!

I’m going to watch C-Span 3 — this">http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/05/schlozman-101/">this idiot is probably more entertaining

Later, gators.

By Gonna Love 08

June 5, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

So they were both coke heads, whats your point? At least i can admit when my candidate has a fault, according to you guys Dubya has never done anything wrong.

By Paul

June 5, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Midori

Derider? Reference what? An observation on all the personal attacks masquerading as revelations of substance? Watcher, at least, came back with some decent questions. Feel free to join in - doctrine of preemption, universal military service, requirement of military service for citizenship (sounds like a sci-fi movie), relationship of free speech, censorship, secrecy by those in power, need for some secrets or none - take your pick.

BTW - getalife’s gonna get you for your 4:30. Fair warning -

By getalife

June 5, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

No, I agree with Midori.

Andy is the biggest coward on this blog.

Check this out Paul

Bwa.

By @@

June 5, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

Debbie:

Puh-leeze! If anybody on here can take a joke, it’s me.

(((Oh, BTW the one about Midori is just plain low and uncalled for.)))

(((By Midori June 5, 2007 3:17 PM)))

(((Kick her stupid a$$, Debbie!!!)))

I just answered the call Debs.

(((I have NEVER seen you stoop to personal insults on the blog before, you’re starting to sound like Luckodull.)))

and your 4:25 sounded just like Midori. It covered all the idiotic talking points from the left. Burped up right on cue.

“Get your a$$ up and go fight the war”.

“Dumbya was AWOL”.

“ConServATron”. Party before…? I assume.

Told ‘ya I could take a joke, but it does get boring when you’ve read “its’” posts so often.

By Paul

June 5, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

getalife

I was referring to her pic of Fred Thompson’s wife.

That KO slot was at least mildly humorous. One more time - I listen to BOR as he comes up with original ideas - in spite of his personality. Most of what I hear from KO is mocking. I might learn something new with BOR. BOR tends to take on those in power - my impression with KO is he takes on reporters, comments on celebrities, gets indignant with Bush - all pretty easy targets, really.

I winced when I heard the now oft-repeated “white guys, power structure” comment, as it was pretty obvious what was coming. If I recall correctly, it was in the context of why some oppose the immigration bill (which he supports) and why some support it. Funny thing, most times when I hear that reference, it’s to denigrate BOR - not discuss the bill’s merits or lack thereof.

Mrs. Roosevelt, may I present Mr. Olbermann?

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

{{{By Gonna Hate 08 June 5, 2007 4:45 PM So they were both coke heads, whats your point? At least i can admit when my candidate has a fault, according to you guys Dubya has never done anything wrong.}}}

No dumb as-s, I believe you make up things about Bush BECAUSE your president was such a failure.

Clinton went to Russia and hid from the Vietnam War, while Bush flew fighter jets.

Hiding in Russia is a proud, distinguished war record, a great and brave service to the nation, isn’t it, little goony?

And Obama ADMITTED he snorted coke, I haven’t heard pinko® #1 call for his impeachment from the Senate.

Bush is an honorable man who is firm in his beliefs and it drives you depraved perverts crazy to think he isn’t a loser like y’all are.

KMA.

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By @@

June 5, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

This one was too good to pass up.

(((Timur Goksel, a Beirut-based security consultant, said the army is rare in fractious Lebanon in that it’s “a truly national institution” in which Christians, Druze, Sunnis and Shiites all serve together. “They’ve taken a lot of casualties, but they have to prevail,” he said. “It’s a must.”)))

They have to prevail against???

The terrorists in the Palestinian camps. The ones which Al Qaeda has recently joined forces with.

(((Poorly equipped and too small to face all of the challenges it suddenly must confront,…)))

Due to????

In our government, it can be attributed to cuts in military spending. The ones past Democratic administrations have supported.

(((…the Lebanese army has nonetheless become a rallying point in this fractious country,…)))

Fractious country???? Kinda like ours.

(((…seemingly the one thing that the country’s myriad political factions unabashedly support…)))

Unabashedly support??? Defeating the terrorists???

Well, when it’s right there in your front yard I guess it calls for support, but when it’s not, one party (Democrat) can question whether they exist at all.

(((Prime Minister Fouad Siniora and Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, two men who agree on little else, have been tripping over each other to more fulsomely praise the troops, though they differ strongly on how they should be deployed.)))

Sound ^^^ familiar?

(((Now, with the army standing as one of the few unifying forces in the country - separating pro- and anti-government forces while battling the Islamic militants on two fronts - the U.S. and Lebanon’s Arab allies are rushing it planeloads of ammunition and other equipment.)))

It’s Bush to the rescue…helping Lebanon to protect itself from the common enemy, terrorism.

Here’s the kicker. HEZBOLLAH! Fiscal terrorists extrodinaire within Lebanon’s midst. Maintain the chaos so that the citizens will have to depend on Hezbollah for their basic needs.

Ain’t democracy grand?

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

{{{In addition, an ABC News piece quotes a Thompson aide stating, “because of his name ID, he doesn’t have to go diner to diner and church to church.” For folks who have been around politics for a while, statements and strategies such as these are flashing lights and warning signals that these folks think they’ve found a shortcut to the White House. What a truly ridiculous notion. No amount of name ID can replace one-on-one contact with voters, especially in early primary and caucus states. Campaigns are about pressing the flesh.}}}

Bull crap.

There are 180,000,000 eligible voters in the United States, if you only count the democrats once, how in the hell would he be able to meet everyone?

Have you ever met a president?

Thompson is going to sweep all these clowns to the side and as-sume command of the nation, you libs know it, and are desperate to find something, anything wrong with the man.

I wonder what you sniveling Cowards would make of Thompson earning $100,000 on a $1000 investment in cattle futures?

Or if he shot a White House aide in the head and left his corpse in Fort Marcy Park staged as a suicide?

Would you remain silent for Fred, like you do with the pig woman?

Geez.

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By Goona Love 08

June 5, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

Lucko Dull,

Your the dumb A— you have your head so far up your rear end you dont know what the truth is. You dont want to admit he was an alchoholic and a coke head. At least Clinton had the guts to realize it was a bad war and rode it out,If Dubya had done the same i would have applauded him to.I dont consider flying jets over Texas when others are dying 5000 miles away as serving your country, but a pinko like you probably would have wanted to give him the congresional medal of honor.

By @@

June 5, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

Thanks Paul. I watched O’Reilly in a back and forth with Keith Olbermann. I could think of the word that best described Olbermann.

Mocking…that’s it. I couldn’t figure out if his intent was to be funny or thought provoking. I concluded that he was neither.

I did give him a chance though.

By getalife

June 5, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

“Poor wingnuts. The aborted (and laughably unrealistic) effort to attack JFK is a stark reminder that every line they’ve fed us about this war on terror is horse crap.

The attackers had no ties to Iraq. Nor the Middle East. Nor Al Qaida. It was homegrown terrorism. (Of course, the perpetrators were brown, so this merits a lot more hand-wringing than white domestic terrorists, especially the ones bombing abortion clinics.) No illegal wiretaps or torture were necessary to crack the case. It was thwarted by good ol’ police work — an informant inside the cell, working with a joint FBI/NYPD task force. Whatever happened to “fighting them over there, so we don’t have to fight them over here”? War in Iraq and elsewhere isn’t ending terrorism. In fact, it’s fueling it.”

By getalife

June 5, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You lost me with this:

“One more time - I listen to BOR”

That is all I need to know.

You have top have a sense of humor to watch KO.

By @@

June 5, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

Your 5:34 was a little long on words in comparison to your familiar “shorts”.

Did you cut that one from someone else and paste it on for us to look at and admire here? :-)

I’m just asking, not accusing.

By getalife

June 5, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

Hillary was looking good at that debate.

Ole Fred is too lazy to debate.

At least Obama admitted his drug use.

w is too much of a coward to admit anything.

I think that is why Andy likes him.

Cowards.

Geez.

By getalife

June 5, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

@@,

I stole it from Kos.

The left uses the 48 hour rule before spewing like the cowardly wingnuts.

By Paul

June 5, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

getalife

Just not my type of sense of humor. Reminds me of the kid who got picked on ‘cause his ears stuck out, his teeth were goofy, he didn’t talk like everyone else. Then he grows up and turns into the bully. Rather like Don Rickles type humor. Plus, I find it rather strange it’s the same target over and over. If he were clever he’d do the same with others - Dems and Reps, broadcasters of all ilk - Rosie gave him plenty of opportunity, as did Trump.

But if you like him, fine. I’ve no problem with that.

BTW - first I heard Obama on tv talk about drug use was on Leno. He was promoting his book, Leno said “I have to ask - did you inhale?” Obama said “I thought that was the whole point!”

Audience went wild. Nice political backhand whack to Hillary & Bill -

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

{{{By Goona Hate 08 June 5, 2007 5:26 PM At least Clinton had the guts to realize it was a bad war and rode it out,If Dubya had done the same i would have applauded him to.I dont consider flying jets over Texas when others are dying 5000 miles away as serving your country.}}}

Goona: It’s about 8400 miles from Texas to Saigon, but hey, who’s counting?

{{{If Dubya had done the same i would have applauded him to.}}}

That is the biggest load of crap that has ever been foisted on this blog, check it out, you libs applauding W.

Get effin real.

Geez.

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By Paul

June 5, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

Goona Love 08

Equating “serving your country” with “stuck in Vietnam” has to mean your experience with the times if from history books, right? I lost the thread of your argument when you were talking about one guy going to Oxford (‘course, he won a Rhodes scholarship so it’d be pretty difficult to turn down) to avoid the draft and Vietnam while another guy went in the military. Before you go off on Air Guard didn’t deploy, you may want to check on the number of Guard/Reserve units that didn’t deploy, or the taskings of those who did. It was all part of the Johnson/McNamara strategy to avoid expanding the outcry to the middle class. And the military leadership went along with it. It should be in one of those history books.

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

{{{By Goona Hate 08 June 5, 2007 5:26 PM I dont consider flying jets over Texas when others are dying 5000 miles away as serving your country.}}}

Sniveling Coward.

{{{The F-102 claimed the lives of many pilots, including a number stationed at Ellington during Bush’s tenure. Of the 875 F-102A production models that entered service, 259 were lost in accidents that killed 70 Air Force and ANG pilots.}}}

Goony.

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By Paul

June 5, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this

getalife

I read that Daily Kos link about the JFK terrorist plot. Seems part of a chorus to downplay any radical Islamic threat as it may be seen to give advantage to Reps going into the election?

Couple points:

[[The attackers had no ties to Iraq. Nor the Middle East. Nor Al Qaida.]]

Analysts need to update their points of reference to the 21st century. This is not about countries or origin, specific geographic blocks or subgroups. It’s about ideology and a view of civilization. We keep trying to analyze this, fight it, bring in legalistic ideals from a bygone era. The statement misses the point completely.

[[It was homegrown terrorism. (Of course, the perpetrators were brown, so this merits a lot more hand-wringing than white domestic terrorists, especially the ones bombing abortion clinics.)]]

I’ll ignore the clumsy “it’s racism” reference - not worth the effort. Equating “homegrown” with where they were living as opposed to the roots of the ideology is, again, sloppy.

[[No illegal wiretaps or torture were necessary to crack the case.]]

Nice throw-away line. BTW - the former head of the CIA and a top NBC investigator disagree on the value of information received from to Al Qaeda after being subjected to temp extremes, loud music and getting water poured on them (as well as being told they weren’t being taken to NY to meet with a lawyer). Tenet said the info received was of greater value than the sum prior of all intel they’d received from CIA, FBI and NSA. That’s quite an assertion.

Don’t want this to go long - so the rest of the comments can ride. But I missed the point/solution of the “don’t worry about the bumper sticker war” tone - you read the site more than I - what’s the solution? Revert to Fortress America, and as one earlier Daily Kos writer said (paraphrasing Sally Fields) “If they got to know us, they’d really, really like us.”

No, they do “know” us - and it’s why they hate us. Dealing with 10th century views can be difficult.

By RW-(the original)

June 5, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

Paul,

It’s not just the nutroots playing down the JFK story. The New York Times reported it Sunday on page A-37.

By getalife

June 5, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You should of heard KO going off on the Dems caving on Iraq.

I do like getting real. I thought the Dems were honest in their last debate and will see if the gop will be.

I doubt it, they will have to admit our government is broken and come up with ideas to fix it.

Staying the course is not a solution.

By Gonna Love 08

June 5, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

Lucko Dull,

Do you realize the unit he was in also included other Senators sons as well as members of the Dallas Cowboys? It would have been more likely for him to injure or kill himself drinking and driving rather than what he was doing in his so called military service. And yes i would have applauded him, i was behind him after September 11th, i was never more proud to be an american when he used his bullhorn at Ground Zero, but like much of the nation i have become disenchanted with him because of his actions and policies, his personality never factors into my desicion.

By Paul

June 5, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

RW

Just makes you shake your head. Of course, if they’d have said forget the fuel tanks, hijacked a couple of natural gas delivery trucks and blown them over the bridge or in the tunnel, do you think we’d see any less ideological reporting? Maybe headlines of “Bush Policies in Iraq Fail to Stop US Terrorist Attack” or “Bush Response Causing Fear in America’s Muslim Communities.”

By One Voice

June 5, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

andy, You’re an idiot. bush was in the service during a time of war when other young men were dying, but he didn’t come close to combat. As a matter of fact, he disappeared completely during the last six months of his enlistment… at a time when other Americans were still being killed. He didn’t fight, didn’t want to, and simply went AWOL because he preferred partying over serving his country and knew daddy would keep him from being court martialed, just like daddy got him into two Ivy League schools and kept giving him business opportunities, even as though he ran each one into the ground. Face it, bush has been an absolute failure at everything he’s ever tried to do, and he’s a coward to boot, just like you. Everything he touches turns to sh!t and you’re too ignorant to realize it and too much of a bonehead to admit it if you did.

By getalife

June 5, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

Paul,

As usual, I disagree with all your points but feel free to sign up and kos and dazzle them with your debating skills.

Good luck with that.

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

June 5, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Moonbat(ic)® Murtha must not have gotten his copy of the talking points. He said the plot was real and a threat, but only happened because of “Bush’s war in Iraq” of course. I had no idea Bush had somehow sent troops to Iraq in the 1970s.

WTF is up with getting 30 months in prison for having a faulty memory about a non-crime?

PARDON SCOOTER NOW!!

By Gonna Love 08

June 5, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

Lucko Dull here is more on your modern day Audie Murphy:

Dubya was assigned one of the last 2 pilot slots in the state of Texas even though he scored the minimum 25 on the qualifying test. During the height of the Vietnam War he applied and was accepted within a few days despite the waiting list of over 100,000 men trying to get into the Guard, as well as list of 150 pilot applicants that had to weight over 18 months to be considered for flight school. In his unit were the sons of Senator Lloyd Bentsen, Governor John Connally and a few black Guardsmen - members of the Dallas Cowboys.

By Daniel

June 5, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

All the terror in the world isn’t going to make Bush look good. Newt Gingrich said it all: Bush, hopeless incompetent. Have a nice day!

By Paul

June 5, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

getalife 6:38

That’s another reason I keep tabs on Dick Morris - not because he despises Hillary, but hecause some of his political calls are spot on. He wrote a column a month or two before the funding bill detailing the likely result - and so far its played out, with the more antiwar contingent causing a lot of probs for the party. That’s also the group that was the largest contributor to the Congressional Democrats’ 24-point approval drop, BTW.

I agree “stay the course is not a solution.” Don’t know many who do - which I thought was the rationale for Gen Petraeus’ plan.

I didn’t see the last Dem debate but thanks for the memory jogger - I’ll fix a gin and tonic and settle in for the Rep debate tonight. Sometimes after one of those these debates make more sense -

By RW-(the original)

June 5, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Paul seems to me to be a moderate and you know full well he wouldn’t last three comments at KOS before he got banned.

Your kind can’t allow any differing point of view because it makes you look so moronic when both points are there for comparison.

By Daniel

June 5, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Irwin Lewis Libby is a convicted felon. He is dishonest, a liar and a crook. Had he told the truth we’d be talking about convictions of Cheney and Rove and the “Big Kahuna”. But, rest easy, Irwin knows why the male prostitute, Jeff Gannon was in the White House. He won’t serve one day.

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

{{{By One Monkey June 5, 2007 6:48 PM He didn’t fight, didn’t want to, and simply went AWOL because he preferred partying over service.}}}

Monkey Man: What was the status of the United States in Vietnam during 1973 when Bush went “awol?”

Was he supposed to attack the North all on his own?

Why don’t you stick to evolution, dumbas-s?

Geez.

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{{{By Gonna Love 08 June 5, 2007 6:42 PM Lucko Dull, Do you realize the unit he was in also included other Senators sons as well as members of the Dallas Cowboys?}}}

Mind showing us some proof of that?

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By RW-(the original)

June 5, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

Have I mentioned that you’re insane lately?

PARDON SCOOTER NOW!

By Daniel

June 5, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

The world has seen the “differing points of view” for awhile now. In the USA Bush is at a rollicking 28%. While in Europe the site of the G8 Conference Bush crashes in at 10%.

By @@

June 5, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

Well, there’s a win; and then there’s “A WIN”.

(((The United States, China, India, Canada and Australia produce more than half of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions — and those emissions are growing. To be effective, then, any climate regime that endeavors to make real cuts in emissions must include these countries. By bringing the Pacific Rim countries into alignment on the issue, Bush has brought the United States far more power over global greenhouse gas emissions policy than Europe ever has had. With this, Bush takes from Europe its one global foreign policy success story.)))

(((Despite the tone of the current political conversation in the United States, in a 1997 vote both Republicans and Democrats unanimously vowed to reject any climate treaty that did not include commitments from developing countries. Sens. John Kerry, Paul Wellstone, Barbara Boxer and many of the climate issue’s current champions were among those who essentially declared Kyoto dead on arrival. Within four months of taking office, Bush did the same, saying the United States would take no part in talks regarding a treaty it had no interest in joining.)))

(((For those who believe that nothing but firm caps, as in the Kyoto Protocol, will forestall global warming, this is an unmitigated disaster. Those who feel that any successful global policy has to include the major non-European emitters, however, will see this is a successful first step in a way that Kyoto never was.)))

By Paul

June 5, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Here’s Fred Thompson’s take on the Libby persecution (prosecution?).

Link: Fred Thompson

Ever wonder why Fitz didn’t find Plame’s “travel records” until just before sentencing? The guy’s either incompetent, a liar, or just another politician. That’s my professional opinion based on facts - not namecalling!

getalife 6:51

Thanks, but I avoid sites like that for discussion. All I can do to keep up here. Those are more like a mutual idea reinforcement society. I prefer challenges rather than “yeah, you’re right - say that again!!!”

By Daniel

June 5, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this

RW: That’s a compliment coming from you. If I found myself in agreement with you I would be worried. Why was Jeff Gannon, the male prostitute, in the White House? Why did an American jury convict Mr. Libby? Why are you soft on crime?

By getalife

June 5, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this

RW,

I think they would welcome Paul with open arms at kos.

Ron Paul, the champion of the Constitution.

By RW-(the original)

June 5, 2007 7:20 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Thanks for the link! I think Thompson says that perfectly. For the life of me I can’t understand why President Bush can’t just do the right thing, critics be damned. It’s not like they’re going to like him any better anyway.

Fitzgerald intentionally withheld any information about Plame’s status from the defense saying it was immaterial to the case, but then used in his sentencing arguments. That shows what a hack Fitz is, but it should be helpful if Libby needs to appeal while he waits for President Thompson to pardon him.

PARDON SCOOTER NOW!!

Daniel,

I’ve always had this odd quirk about me that thinks a crime should be committed for a man to be convicted. Tin Russert lied about a TV appearance during the Libby trial. Are you saying Russert should be locked up?

By One Voice

June 5, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this

andi,

So because Vietnam was winding down it was justified for gw to have gone AWOL during a time of war?

We can talk about any issue you like, but the results will be the same- you will believe whatever you want to believe regardless of evidence to the contrary because you lack the education to form a logical opinion. I will take evidence and come to a reasonable conclusion.

You are a perfect example of the individual who gets brainwashed into religious dogma at an early age, and all morality and reasoning ability cease to develop because you found the “truth” in life, even though people with the most basic education recognize your “truths” as absolute foolishness. Your mind works like that of a 12-year-old, quite pathetic for a 40-something-year-old man. But it’s entertaining to see a 6th grader masquerading as a grown up. rw has you beat, though; at least he comes off as an 8th grader.

By RW-(the original)

June 5, 2007 7:34 PM | Link to this

An 8th grader? Well I’ll be darned, One Punk has promoted me. The weird thing is that I skipped 8th grade. I guess the resident spit bucket emptier got some on his crystal ball.

By Buy Danish

June 5, 2007 7:42 PM | Link to this

{{{By getalife

June 5, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

The attackers had no ties to Iraq. Nor the Middle East. Nor Al Qaida. It was homegrown terrorism. Squawk squawk squawk}}}

Agent Getalife,

Wow, I’m impressed. You’ve investigated this whole case already and know everything about it from beginning to end!

No ties to the Middle East? The guy who was arrested on his way to pick up a visa to go to Iran for an “Islamic conference” has 2 children who are studying in Iran.

I know Muslims from Trinidad and they send their kids to Canada to study, not Iran. Why study in Iran unless you’re a big fan of the Ayatollahs.

As for it being “homegrown terrorism”, see above AND…since when are Trinidad or Guyana part of the United States?

You do realize that 7/7 in Britain was called “homegrown terrorism” too. Or maybe you don’t know that. Who knows what you know. I think it’s a whole lot of nothing.

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this

{{{By One Monkey June 5, 2007 7:22 PM So because Vietnam was winding down it was justified for gw to have gone AWOL during a time of war? We can talk about any issue you like, but the results will be the same- you will believe whatever you want to believe regardless of evidence to the contrary because you lack the education to form a logical opinion.}}}

Monkey Man: Hey, think this one through for a moment, if you are capable-

You libs had to forge a memo to get your only “proof” that Bush was AWOL but yet you posit that my beliefs are based on “false” evidence.

Isn’t that quite odd?

Kind of makes one wonder about every thing you say, know what I mean?

Your whole life, your entire belief system is based on feelings, what your feminine side “tells” you is right, while you hide your manhood so that you don’t hurt anyone elses feelings, that since you libs can accept sin, take the easy way out of life’s hard choices, rely on government to carry your as-s, that you are somehow better than every body else, in your own mind.

I, on the other hand, know how foolish that is and you are.

It’s real obvious to someone who isn’t a complete sniveling Coward.

Get a pair of balls, man.

Geez.

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By One Voice

June 5, 2007 8:05 PM | Link to this

How ironic, I skipped the 8th grade too. I guess the difference is that my education and intellectual ability actually continued past the 8th grade.

I find it amusing that you’re hanging your hat on Thompson, a “candidate” who’s not even in the race yet and doesn’t have a shot even if he gets in. He’ll be coming in too late, won’t have enough money, and his organization will be too far behind.

In addition, he doesn’t have the personality in real life that people attribute to his fictional character on TV. But you cons have always steeped your beliefs in fiction anyways.

After Thompson actually announces people will see that he isn’t really very inspiring and his splotchy experience will come under fire. He will fade fast.

What’s great about his “running” and his “support” is that it shows how appallingly weak the Republican field is. Giuliani is the frontrunner and is so liberal on social issues that a godless leftist such as myself wouldn’t really mind him that much, although I believe him to be underqualified. After that you have two unstable, flipflopping loons in McCain and Romney.

All this goes to show that you have nothing. Nothing. Your best bet for winning the White House in ‘08 is if Giuliani goes up against Hillary. Actually, that’s your ONLY hope. And the Dems will just widen their margins in the House and Senate and will finally be able to get things done (almost all of the Senate seats up for grabs are Repub seats).

Keep dreaming about movie stars.

Hey, Granny.

andi, It’s funny you say MY beliefs are based on “feelings.” Isn’t that what “faith” is, unsubstantiated beliefs based on feelings? (When in actuality you just believe those things because the even more ignorant people who lived before you told you to believe them. Damn, your dad must have been a retarded sh!t-shoveler) Open a real science book for once in your life, coward. Too scared to face reality, whether it be facts or a fist in your face, huh, keyboard ranger?

By RW-(the original)

June 5, 2007 8:33 PM | Link to this

Gosh One Punk,

You would think someone with your “superior intellect” could tell the difference between Buy Danish and LuckoDull. /sarc

By the way, I wouldn’t have any problem with Rudy either. Too bad your preconceived notions get in the way of your ability to reason.

By LuckoDull

June 5, 2007 8:40 PM | Link to this

{{{By One Monkey June 5, 2007 8:05 PM In addition, he doesn’t have the personality in real life that people attribute to his fictional character on TV. But you cons have always steeped your beliefs in fiction anyways.}}}

Monkey Man: Funny, I have never seen “Law and Order.”

Nor could I care less about it.

I listen to what the man has to say and what the man has done, which is far more than sHrillary has, and I like what I see.

Duh.

{{{Isn’t that what “faith” is, unsubstantiated beliefs based on feelings?}}}

Dumbas-s, once you get beyond the obvious, undeniable fact that this world was Created by a Higher Being, and you can touch and feel this real, tangible Creation, your Faith would actually be pretty rock solid.

Like mine is.

But you go on plodding through life with your stupid human beliefs, haha, like we’re infallable, geez.

Coward.

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By One Voice

June 5, 2007 10:29 PM | Link to this

andi,

Your god-on-earth, gw, is living proof that man is not infallible. As a matter of fact, he has been nothing but fallible, infallibly fallible.

I know, you believe some super-human snapped his fingers and created the earth in seven days (which we can prove didn’t happen), that Noah collected polar bears and monitors and penguins to put on his ship (which is simply stupid even to small children), and that the atrocities such as murder and slavery that god ordered in the Old Testament somehow do not apply anymore because of the New one (a just god would never support atrocities under any circumstances).

You simply pick the easiest, most simplistic way to explain something you don’t have the mental capacity to understand, an explanation that all primitive peoples invented for the same reason. Your “faith” is exactly what makes you a bad human being. You are complacent in your thinking and have readily accepted lies from your book of lies. You don’t search for real truths and legitimate explanations or discoveries that are happening every day. As a matter of fact, you attempt to thwart those very discoveries that may benefit mankind in order to support your primitive beliefs.

rw,

I don’t have preconceived notions. I was a Christian as a child and teenager and a conservative through high school. But then I began to consider evidence and began to reason more, and I started questioning the blind, close-minded beliefs I was taught as a child. You should try it some time. At 53, it’s about time you grew up.

By LuckoDull

June 6, 2007 8:09 AM | Link to this

Monkey Man: Are you so insecure in your beliefs that you constantly have to attack mine?

And how come your political party doesn’t agree with you?:

{{{Instead, as was shown by Monday night’s forum on faith, sponsored by CNN and the liberal evangelical group Sojourners, it is a party on a mission: to make inroads into Republicans’ ability to attract and, more important, turn out religious voters.}}}

What a horrible, sad, pathetic existence you must live, tormented by the fact that other people have hope, that other people see good where you only see evil, that other people know that there is more than just this insignificant blip of a planet mired in the failures of the human being.

You restrain your life to that limited by the flesh.

Let the rest of us soar.

You aren’t just a tad jealous, are you?

Geez.

Coward.

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By Buy Danish

June 6, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

{{{{don’t have preconceived notions. I was a Christian as a child and teenager and a conservative through high school. But then I began to consider evidence and began to reason more, and I started questioning the blind, close-minded beliefs I was taught as a child. You should try it some time. At 53, it’s about time you grew up.}}}}

One Punk,

You’re giving others a lecture on “growing up”? Bwahahahahahahaha.

Even if one were to stipulate that that biographical BS was true, you don’t explain how it is that you became a Socialist and an evangelical atheist at the same time.

Do you have an influential “proFessor” to thank for warping your mind?

Whose fault is it that you are a sociopath?

By Robert Manghane

June 12, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

I am in complete disagreement with the decision of the Georgia Attorney General in regards to the Wilson case. Surely he have little respect for the Judicial decisions and no compassion for this young man who in my opinion should not have been tried for any crime and certainly not sent to prison. I suppose that this so called high and mighty law enforcer was never a child and meerly evolved into an adult through metamorphosis. Perhaps you, Mr. Baker need to reaccess your own position. I am originally from the Southeastern U.S. and I am very familiar with the Atlanta area. There are many, many more hardened criminals for you to go after than this child.

In other words, sir I am not sure how you can look at yourself in the mirror and think you are doing a fair and decent job as the Attorney General.

Let the young man go immediately. Then you may be able to gain some statue which is required for the position that you hold.

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