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The Clinton Library

By Mike Luckovich | Wednesday, May 30, 2007, 09:20 PM

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By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

{{{Until the recipient culture is capable of doing an effective job of Americanizing immigrants, it’s preposterous to talk about a massive influx of Hispanic immigrants accomplishing anything other than turning America into yet another Latin American-style banana republic. To the contrary, Democrats are trying to turn new immigrants into wards of the state — and with some success! — so they will be permanent Democratic voters. Rich Republicans and their handmaidens in Washington are trying to turn immigrants into a permanent servant class.}}}

Check this out, imagine down the road in a few decades when we have to pay these people “reparations” for the low slave wages they are getting today.

Or should I say reparación?

{{{Naturally, immigrants soon get angry. And rather than showing thanks for a ticket out of the slums of Mexico City or Tunis, blatant hypocrisy can follow: The once thankful, but now exhausted, alien may wave the flag of the country he would never return to while shunning the culture of the host county he would never leave.}}}

And:

{{{It is past time to remember that paying our own poorer laborers more, doing some occasional physical work and obeying the laws - the immigration ones especially - are not icky or a bummer. Rather, this is the more ethical and, in the long run, cheaper approach. There is a final irony. The more Western elites ignore their own laws, allow unassimilated ethnic ghettos and profit from an exploitive labor market, the more their own nations will begin to resemble the very places immigrants fled from.}}}

Like I was saying.

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{{{It’s tempting to ask how FDR would have dealt with a Congress debating whether to withdraw the 101st Airborne from Bastogne after the first days of the Battle of the Bulge, or the Marines from Guadalcanal because the slogging was hard. Frederick Kagan poses the question another way in the Weekly Standard: “To imagine that America can lose in Iraq but prevail in the war against jihadism is almost like imagining that we could have yielded Europe to the Nazis but won World War II.”}}}

He would have told Congress to STFU just like he did with the Chicago “news” papers.

It’s not that hard to understand that our national security, the protection of our country and our families, rules over ANY concern that a sniveling candy

By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

{{{Today, hundreds of millions of people — mostly African children under 5 — get seriously ill and more than a million die every year from malaria in large measure because many nations stopped using DDT. Rachel Carson (author of “Silent Spring”) was wrong — and millions continue to pay the price. Why should anyone honor that legacy?}}}

When liberals start with the junk science two things are going to happen for sure, 1 is the lib will get some pinko award and showered with lib accolades and 2 is that millions of children will die.

Why is Rachel Carson not a pariah, why is her name not synonomous with Hitler’s?

Why are the libs honoring her???

Is millions upon millions of dead African children some kind of liberal achievement?

WTF?

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Listen to your next president:

{{{The Connecticut Republicans, down to one seat in Congress after 2006 election losses, cheered when Fred Thompson told them: “I think the biggest problem we have today is what I believe is the disconnect between Washington, D.C., and the people of the United States. People are looking around at the pork barrel spending and the petty politics, the backbiting.}}}

You’re gonna hate 08®.

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By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 8:08 AM | Link to this

Cut off the end of 8:03:

He would have told Congress to STFU just like he did with the Chicago “news” papers.

It’s not that hard to understand that our national security, the protection of our country and our families, rules over ANY concern that a sniveling candy as-s Coward could possibly have.

It is in our best interest to shoot the Coward when they start wailing, like they used to do.

Geez.

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By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this

{{{Hence liberals’ hostility to school choice programs that challenge public education’s semi-monopoly. Hence hostility to private accounts funded by a portion of each individual’s Social Security taxes. Hence their fear of Health Savings Accounts (individuals who purchase high-deductible health insurance become eligible for tax-preferred savings accounts from which they pay their routine medical expenses — just as car owners do not buy automobile insurance to cover oil changes). Hence liberals’ advocacy of government responsibility for — and, inevitably, rationing of — health care, which is 16 percent of the economy, and rising.}}}

Isn’t it just jaw dropping to listen to libs like Dhimmi Danny and al-Gitmo whine and shriek about the federal deficit, when it is the democrats that are spending all of the money?

The two biggest budget reducing measures out there would be to 1) kill the IRS like a mangy dog in the street, blow up that massive complex in downtown Washington DC, and 2) reform Social Security, why do billionaires like Clinton and Kennedy need retirement payments, huh, huh?

If you were to propose either of these massive cost savings, the libs would fall on their swords and go 24/7 ballistic, pulling out all of their hair and screaming, oh, the screaming.

So what the F is Dhimmi Danny and al-Gitmo talking about?

Geez.

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By Paul

May 31, 2007 8:20 AM | Link to this

In the News 8:15

So are you in favor of passing the legislation as it stands, or not?

By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

Vinod Gupta heads infoUSA, a “list broker” that has been selling the names of elderly Americans to known con artists. In 2002, he flew the Clintons to a vacation in Acapulco on the company jet. The Omaha-based enterprise subsequently paid Bill Clinton more than $2 million in consulting fees. Gupta gave $1 million to his foundation.

The concern goes beyond the Clintons’ decision to consort with such questionable personalities. That they would do it so openly magnifies long-festering discomfort over their judgment.

One recalls the dark days of the Lewinsky scandal, when people like me worked their darndest to drag Bill over the finish line of his last four years. We were not about to let the Republican leadership use a sex scandal as a pretense to overturn an election.

But then what does Clinton do? In his last hours on the job he pardons Marc Rich, a fugitive moneybags charged with more than 50 counts of fraud, racketeering and tax evasion. This was done unblushingly and without concern for how it might reflect on Hillary, whose political career was just taking off.

Geez.

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By Lord Help Us

May 31, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this

Clinton and Kennedy are Billionaires??

Another ‘fact’ straight from the stooges favorite source - ‘I don’t remember eatin’ any corn’ (with apologies to Fot Bosstuhd)

By DebbieDoRight

May 31, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this

In The News @8:10 - Read the article, sad that Lieberman has turned into a zealous Zionist, but the part that made me laugh, (yes, I know, I can find humor in just about anything), is the below comment by one of the bloggers:

Troops In Iraq to Lieberman:

‘When Are We Going To Get Out Of Here?

Lieberman’s reply:

“I don’t know about you, but I’m outta here as soon as I get my picture taken…”

Comment by the republic of stupidity — May 30, 2007 @ 10:40 pm

By steve-o

May 31, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

LuckoDork,

I’m extremely disappointed. I was waiting yesterday afternoon for your encore performance of an Iraq War Vet. Could you pretty please do it again? Still LMFAO!!!!

Great cartoon, ML! I can only wonder which coloring books will be on display in W’s presidential library…

By Bosch

May 31, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

Good morning all -

Hello Paul - sorry I didn’t get to respond to your posts yesterday.

To be perfectly honest, I either don’t get this cartoon, or it’s just not that funny. I understand the premise, but it’s not one of Mike’s best.

By DebbieDoRight

May 31, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

[[Clinton and Kennedy are Billionaires?]

Clinton grew up with a single parent who worked two jobs to support him; Kennedy grew up rich but also with the credo given to him from his mother, “To whom much is given, much is expected.”

Dubya grew up rich, spoiled, arrogant, and stupid. And ain’t sh#t changed in all these years!!!

By Mrs. Godzilla

May 31, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this

I can’t say I get the cartoon today.

Maybe Mike is just throwing a bone to the anti-Clinton crowd.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

In the News

Thanks for the response. I oftentimes do not understand if you’re trying to make a point - I read the headlines and think “and? so?”

I look at the bill and think “what’s the alternative?” The people are here, I don’t think our courts can really handle “capturing and punishing” 12-14 million people” - it’d take a long, long time. The alternative is to reject the bill, which means doing nothing on the topic (again) while the problem continues to worsen.

It’s all fine to hold out for a “pure” piece of legislation, but that will neve happen on this subject. Anything we get is going to contain elements with which people will strongly object. I’m for passing it, then introducing subsequent legislation to modify it as the situation warrants.

Lots of talk about punishing the illegal aliens (according to a certain editorial writer in SF, that makes me a racist because I didn’t use the term “undocumented worker.” Oh, well) as well as fining those who hire them. Well, heck, let’s deploy local police (if the politicians refuse, yank their Federal funds) to cruise the neighborhoods, checking all the lawn care companies, and arresting homeowners as well. We could also go after all the road construction companies - pick your favorite stretch of roadway being widened, expanded, resurfaced - and shut down the whole project. Then arrest the local government contracting personnel who awarded the contract - they didn’t perform due diligence in making sure the company complied with law.

Not serious, of course. Except maybe for arresting homeowners. Point is, people may talk about “enforcement” - but to do it completely, universally, would cause an uproar. Rather like being for enforcing the law and arresting the violators - like the people on the freeway who don’t understand the meaning of the word “limit” in “speed limit.”

By Bosch

May 31, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

Okay, Mrs. Godzilla, I’m glad you said that, because that was my first impression too - kind of “HUH?”

By IN THE NEWS

May 31, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

PAUL, I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTFUL RESPONSE.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

May 31, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

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Hey - In The News (or anyone else)

Have they released the names of the soldiers killed in the “Flying Mule” that got shot down?

Thomas

By Shawny

May 31, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G…I am with you… perhaps my simple mind can’t grasp what this toon is about.

Do they have Playboy and Penthouse magazines in Billy’s library?

By Jesus

May 31, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By DebbieDoRight

May 31, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Comments from a GREAT AMERICAN:

“What exactly is a father’s duty when his son is sent into harm’s way?”

Among the many ways to answer that question, mine was this one: As my son was doing his utmost to be a good soldier, I strove to be a good citizen.

As a citizen, I have tried since Sept. 11, 2001, to promote a critical understanding of U.S. foreign policy….

The Iraq WAr Killed My Son

By Mrs. Godzilla

May 31, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

Shawny,

We still have a couple of Playboys in our library, what we thought were the best interviews. (The pictures however always left me feeling a bit “small”)

Somewhere I still have my copy of Playgirl with Burt Reynolds in the centerfold….

By N-GA

May 31, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

PNAC,

You can get the latest DoD press releases here

By getalife

May 31, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

This toon is about the huge amount of books written on the Clintons.

There are several that just come out since she is running.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

May 31, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

-=-

Ok —

Thanks N-GA

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By Bass-Ackwards

May 31, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

LuckoDork @8:06 (prior thread)- JFK started it, LBJ escalated and the abandoned it, the Tet offensive was in 1968 while LBJ was still president and Walter “Jackas-s” Konkrite declared defeat after a total stunning victory by the Americans, what did you expect Nixon to do, flee from the battlefield? You own Vietnam. Losers.

Sorry, Dork, but the window was open when I posted last night after returning from an evening out. Didn’t pay attention to the hour.

As usual, you got the start of the Vietnam conflict ‘Bass-Ackwards’, too. The first American advisors were deployed by Truman(D) in 1950 to assist the French in their efforts at pacifying their wayward colony.

Remember that Ho Chi Minh was a stalwart ally of America during WWII. We would’ve had a hard row to hoe if Ho not been our point man in Indochina during the war. After the war was over, Allied forces betrayed Ho by not giving Vietnam its’ autonomy. The Frogs wanted to exploit its third world resources and they had more clout so the rest of the allies went along. In response, Ho began his people’s revolution.

Eisenhower(R) continued Trumans low level advisory support, JFK in cold war fervor escalated the troop strength to around 15,000 but it was LBJ that capitalized politically off the conflict and dramatically escalated troop deployment. He was forced to abandon any thought of re-election for his effort and his VP, Humphrey, had his head handed to him at the polls by Nixon whose sole campaign pledge was to end the war.

You really should try to learn a little something about history before popping off with more verbal diarrhea. The Vietnam debacle did not belong to the Democrats, it belonged to both parties pretty much equally. Too bad that historical fact gets in the way of your carefully constructed world view but you don’t get to rewrite history just because it is inconvenient to your prejudices.

I find it even more curious that you deride Cronkite for his scathing attacks on the Democratic Johnson administration. Hell, I thought you liked Republicans and were all for allowing them to call attention to the failings of their Democratic rivals. Can’t you make up your mind who to hate?

By Mrs. Godzilla

May 31, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Thanks getalife…

Makes sense now. I’ll get some more coffee.

Y’all have a great day.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

Bosch 8:49

Hello again. No problem - the server last night was pathetic, so even if you’d responded it would likely have been dropped.

The cartoon is a real “Huh?” with numerous possibilities: go into a bookstore and the number of Clinton books equals the number of non-Clinton books. From there you can go on about pro or anti Clinton; books about her candidacy and on an on. Gary Larson - did “The Far Side” was interviewed once, interviewer showed him a cartoon he’d done and said he couldn’t figure it out. Larson said “I had a deadline, they wanted a cartoon, they got a cartoon.” Makes sense to me -

By steve-o

May 31, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Bass-Ackwards,

Thanks for that history lesson at 9:32!

Now be careful. LuckoDork likes to play GI Joe and may respond to you in his make-believe ID of Vietnam War Veteran, or even if he’s more ballsy—Former Assistant to Robert McNamara.

Oh that LuckoDork! Unbelievably still LMFAO!!!!

By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

{{{By As-s Hacker May 31, 2007 9:32 AM As usual, you got the start of the Vietnam conflict ‘Bass-Ackwards’, too.}}}

As-s Hacker: You can babble on and on and on with your mindless bullsh-it, it changes nothing, you lost the Vietnam War.

Fact: 31,000 soldiers died under 3 years of LBJ, 15,000 died under 4 years of Nixon.

You libs are not only losers, you are soldier killers too.

Coward.

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By getalife

May 31, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

No problem Mrs. Godzilla.

The recent books written tried to bash the Clintons but nothing new in them.

Of course, w’s library will have one book about him.

“My Pet Goat”.

By DebbieDoRight

May 31, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

[[You really should try to learn a little something about history before popping off with more verbal diarrhea.]]

Oh to wish…..perchance to dream…of things that just won’t happen in this eon………

By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

Stevie: How old are you?

Just wondering.

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By getalife

May 31, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

How many of these ignorant wingnuts will admit they were wrong about Plame’s covert status?

By Shawny

May 31, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

oh……this isn’t the Clinton library, per se, but more like a Barnes & Nobel…..thanks, I am now enlightened.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight 8:49

Do you really want to invoke a public sharing ethos as the Kennedy legacy while deriding Bush as spoiled, arrogant, etcetera? One can easily point to numerous examples of “spoiled, arrogant” behavior from the Kennedys - from the “build an empire through breaking the law” of patriarch Joseph - to his and his sons’ involvement with organized crime (so strong at one point the senior Kennedy had a contract on his life - which was removed in a deal he made with Sam Giancana of Chicago) - to the sons’ behaviors, as well as the scandals with the Kennedy cousins, nephews, etc over the years.

No, I’m not bashing one family to excuse another. Just saying opening the door to “this family has kids who are really great and this family has bums” makes for introducing really unpleasant history - much of which has nothing to do with today’s reality except character assassination.

Now maybe if both families would break up their trusts, pay income taxes on the value of the assets the first year, count future increases as ordinary income subject to taxes - I’d take all this table-thumping about “fairness” and “tax the rich” a little more seriously.

Back-Asswards 9:32 There is a (documented) school of thought that Kennedy seriously questioned the military objectives presented to him and was preparing to draw down the advisors. Although there was Republican involvement, it’s pretty well accepted Pres Johnson made the decision to greatly expand - not withdraw - so it was recognized as “his” war.

Regarding Nixon: the lesson for today is electing someone who uses as a campaign slogan “secret plan to end the war.” I believe about half our casualties occurred after he was elected.

By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

{{{By getalife May 31, 2007 9:53 AM How many of these ignorant wingnuts will admit they were wrong about Plame’s covert status?}}}

al-Gitmo: How many of you sniveling Cowards will admit to Plame lying under oath, like Libby supposedly did?

Geez.

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By steve-o

May 31, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

LuckoDork,

LMFAO!! I should be asking you the same question after your little imaginary friend appeared yesterday @ 10:51 in the form of Iraq War Veteran. Still ROTFLMAO!!!!!

By getalife

May 31, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Please give us some Iraq occupation stories since you were there.

Bwa.

Here, add this to your zombietime crap

Bwa.

By Apocalypse

May 31, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

getalife,

If LuckoDull was in iraq, no doubt he was to be used as a human shield. Unfortunately, our technology was not precise enough.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

getalife

You should really rethink your boycot of Fox. I recorded Greta van Seusteren (sp) last night (first time I’ve recorded her - seems she has a law degree but does these Entertainment Hollywood type of shows) and did an interview with Cindy McCain in her home.

You could just turn the sound off and watch. Then you could honestly say “I never ‘listen’ to Fox” and you could still watch Cindy.

By IN THE NEWS

May 31, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

GOP policies hard at work

{{{{{The economy nearly stalled in the first quarter with growth slowing to a pace of just 0.6 percent. That was the worst three-month showing in over four years.

The new reading on the gross domestic product, released by the Commerce Department Thursday, showed that economic growth in the January-through-March quarter was much weaker. Government statisticians slashed by more than half their first estimate of a 1.3 percent growth rate for the quarter. As a side note to the GOP, France was twice this number.}}}

By Bass-Ackwards

May 31, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

Paul- Ever pull duty at Carlisle. You sound like alumni.

Think you hit the nail on the head with the lesson for today.

I agree that Johnson should get the blame for most culpability in the Vietnam foofarah, but in truth it was Truman who started our involvment. Given the circumstances of the immediate post WWII times, and his great stewardship of the country during the war, he might be given some slack .

The flip side of the coin is that Nixon(R) and his Secretary of State, Henry Kissasser, were the ‘surrender monkeys’ of 30 years past. That’s what was so ‘Bass-Ackwards’ about LuckoDorks selective memory. It would be convenient for Republicans to forget that part and they try their best, but fact is fact, rather it pleases or not.

By getalife

May 31, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I flip through Faux sometimes.

I can take about 5 seconds of that bias.

Geez.

Have you bought your Fartwell bobblehead yet?

Bwa.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

Back-Ackwards

Never had the pleasure. I just like to read a lot. I’m just a 25-year-old wise guy (this is a blog, we can be whatever we want, right?).

There was a lot going on then, as you pointed out. Post-WWII hegemony. Belief in dangers of communist expansion and the domino theory. Discounting the prominence of nationalism in former colonial countries.

There was a good movie a few years ago - Mel Gibson in They Were Soldiers - based on the life of Col Hal Moore - said to be the father of many AirCav tactics. Long and bloody fight - few hundred Americans against a couple thousand North Vietnamese. In the end NVA overwhelmed by superior firepower and new technology. At the end of the movie the NVA commander says the tragedy is the Americans think they one a great victory. They will continue to fight, but the end will still be the same while thousands more die.

We gotta do better at picking our fights.

By @@

May 31, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Somewhere in all those stacks you’ll find the “Communist Manifesto” ml. It’ll have Hillary’s picture in it somewhere. What was it she said recently in a speech?

(((Clinton told the students that the Bush Administration promoted an “ownership” society. She implied in her remarks that ownership is not something that should be promoted, but rather fairness brought about by government regulation and policies.)))

(((This is the type of society that failed under the Soviet Union and even Communist China has abandoned these “FROM EACH ACCORDING TO HIS ABILITY, TO EACH ACCORDING TO HIS NEED” philosophies of Karl Marx. Americans are a free people, but they won’t be if Hillary Clinton has her way.)))

I never thought I’d hear her say it “outright”.

Last time around it was “It takes a village”.

DANGER….DANGER….DANGER!!!!!!!

Rubber bullets are flying in Hugo’s Venezuela.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

May 31, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

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Hee - Hop on Pop—

Then there’s that other perverted book by Seuss -

“Could you, would you, with a goat?” “Would you, could you on a boat?” (Taken from “Green Eggs and Ham”)

And we wouldn’t dare go into the implied material in “Yertle the Turtle”

-=-

By More Good News from Iraq

May 31, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

Violence Forces Iraqis To Give Up Meat Lack of electricity adds to woes By Sharon Behn, Washington Times BAGHDAD — Once-flourishing middle-class families in Baghdad are now eating meat only sparingly, if at all, as violence across the city prevents people from working and farmers from delivering food to the capital’s markets.

By MM

May 31, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

If con is the opposite of pro, is congress the opposite of progress?

By getalife

May 31, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

Here is Paul’s hero hard at work

Geez, told ya they are dangerous.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

Fourth try at getting through -

getalife 10:26

You can take only five minutes of Cindy McCain? You feeling okay today?

I just saw your 10:31 link allegedly of Senator Thompson and his wife. Are you SURE that’s not a daddy-daughter date night?

By The Watcher

May 31, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

Sorry, I screwed up trying to post a link….got mad and took it out on the submit button.

Please accept my apolgies for having a brain fart.

By getalife

May 31, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

@@,

If w took “American Idol” off the air, would Americans protest?

Bad move Chavez.

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

Paul: The other problem with the tax cuts is borrowed money. If you were paid with borrowed money unaware that you would get the bill with interest later on, would you take it? This is the Bush betrayal of the American people.

By getalife

May 31, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Fred is hollywood plus he quit the Senate because it was too much work.

He probably gets high and gets lazy. Gets his viagra from Rush.

By I wanna be Freddies girl

May 31, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Fred

By Paul

May 31, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

getalife 11:10

Still going to radical blogs for news analysis? I went to the DailyKos site - read through the 24 comments, all in the vein of “I never listen to BOR but.. Repubs are knuckledraggers… I didn’t see the episode… more religious maniacs…”

That’s analysis?

What happened was Boulder HS students were sent to a mandatory assembly, where speakers advocated they do drugs, told them to experiment with same sex or group sex, etc. Parents weren’t notified. Nor would school officials initially address parents’ concerns.

After a similar event one parent read a transcript to school board officials, who told her to stop reading because the language was inappropriate. It was the language of the speakers at her daughter’s assembly!

If you think that’s okay for a school to do, fine. But the least you could do, or the sources you cite, would be to list the facts of the case. Namecalling and false outrage are not adequate responses.

Here’s a non-direct source, non-BOR take on it from WorldNetDaily:

Link: Boulder HS students told to experiment with sex, drugs

By getalife

May 31, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

A clue for Paul.

They will experiment with drugs and sex.

I always skipped mandatory assemblies to do drugs and have sex.

Geez.

By getalife

May 31, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

And what the hell is BO lecturing about sex anyway?

He is a phone perv. harassing his own employees.

Geez

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

getalife: Republicans are not sure sex exists. They like to pretend they don’t do it. They think if they don’t talk about sex, it might go away. There was a study done in Colonial Times. In 80% of the marriages a child was born within 8 and 1/2 months of the wedding day. Oops! people have been getting laid! Who woudda thunk that?

By Claude

May 31, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

As a dedicated Republican I can assure you that WE don’t experiment with drugs. Nor do we enjoy having sex. According to the Bible sex is strictly for having children. If you Godless heathens would go to church more often and forget about drinking, screwing and having fun, this country wouldn’t be in the mess its in.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

getalife 11:35

Cute. Many will. But the issue is school responsibility vs parents’ rights. Is it right for schools to not inform parents when outside, controversial speakers are brought in? Is it right for schools to advocate personal, moral conduct at variance with parental teachings? Those are the issues. I believe BOR even said if that’s what the citizens of Boulder want, then fine. But he’d heard from enough parents who didn’t like being shut out by the administrators.

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Claude’s right. We need to pass a law against sex. That’ll fix the problem. Won’t it? Surely, if we pass a law against abortion it will go away. We also need to legalize the Bible and outlaw STD’s. There you go!

By Observer

May 31, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

getalife - you just confirmed all suspiscions of us real conservatives. Liberals like you are always stoned, and that is why you never make sense and never are truly productive citizens and you can only hold tenure track civil service jobs!!!

By Paul

May 31, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

Daniel

You may want to read the link at 11:30 to at least familiarize yourself with the topic.

By Bosch

May 31, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

I would certainly want to know ANY speaker that is coming to my child’s school. I read the article you sent Paul, and I can see the speaker’s point, that if you are going to experiment, then do it wisely, but I can definitely see how that would get parents fired up.

I certainly would have wanted to know if that particular speaker was coming to my kids’ school.

But on the flip side, I would also want to know if some Bible-banging, fundamentalist, “you are all going to hell” type speaker was coming as well, and believe me, in the area I live in, that is a perfectly plausible concern.

Many times, people are blinded by the more broad issue like you said, school responsibility vs. parents’ rights. It’s easy to see this as a “sex” issue when the more pressing matter is that the parent’s were completely shut out of this process.

By getalife

May 31, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

No Paul,

The issue is BO should his big perv mouth shut when it comes to sex.

He spews about morals when he is phone perv who paid out millions to an employee.

I do not listen to hypocrites like you.

Get real Paul. This is why I do not watch Faux. Pathetic hypocrites.

By IN THE (REAL) NEWS

May 31, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

THE DIRECTOR OF NASA IS QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT GLOBAL WARMING IS ANY KIND OF REAL PROGRAM, EVEN AS THE PRESIDENT MAKES A SPEECH ASKING 15 NATIONS TO CUT THEIR GREENHOUSE EMISIONS!

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

I was responding to Claude’s post. By the way, I’d like to get to know a few of those godless heathens. Have they oulawed screwing, drinking and fun?

By Paul

May 31, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Bosch 12:11

You’d get speakers like that in your local schools?!!? I’m of the opinion that, too, it totally inappropriate.

I saw the segment - it wasn’t just a “do it wisely” - it was “do it. Go ahead with opposite sex, same sex, group - whatever you want. I am here today to encourage you to do drugs and have sex. Ecstasy will enhance the experience. I know shrinks who do sessions on Ecstasy. If I had some I’d be on it now.”

Typical some here don’t address the issues at all - instead make it a “Repubs deny kids have sex, the reporter’s a jerk, Repubs are Bible thumpers, etc ad nauseum.” But at least it’s a clever way to avoid an issue.

By getalife

May 31, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Paul pretends to be intelligent but buys into a phone perv’s position on sex.

Not too bright there Paul.

By Dusty

May 31, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

This cartoon is pretty dim. Other than giving Democrats a few strokes by mentioning Clinton, Clinton, Clinton, it has no value.

I like Paul’s recall (9:41) of Gary Larson’s reply to a question about a bad cartoon. Larson said “I had a deadline. They wanted a cartoon. They got a cartoon.”

Luckovich might explain his all pro-lefty extremist cartoons the same way with this caveat: “I got a Pulitzer. Take it or leave it.” And he does work for the AJC you know.

By DebbieDoRight

May 31, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

[[Do you really want to invoke a public sharing ethos as the Kennedy legacy while deriding Bush as spoiled, arrogant, etcetera?]]

You forgot the sh#thead part.

[[One can easily point to numerous examples of “spoiled, arrogant” behavior from the Kennedys - from the “build an empire through breaking the law” of patriarch Joseph - to his and his sons’ involvement with organized crime (so strong at one point the senior Kennedy had a contract on his life - which was removed in a deal he made with Sam Giancana of Chicago)]]

And of COURSE you know this because Sam G wrote a Tell-All book to confirm it!! NO?! Well where DID you get yoru source from?

[[- to the sons’ behaviors, as well as the scandals with the Kennedy cousins, nephews, etc over the years.]]

True. But at least they “gave back” to the community through charitable works,(not mandated by the courts). I think the Bush Twins are “giving back” to the community through strip joints and various bars…….

By getalife

May 31, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Take your godless heathen rhetoric and shove it.

Those who spew this garbage are the biggest meth freaks like Haggard.

They preach abstinence like they can change nature then they have sex with male prostitutes and do meth.

Methinks they protest too much.

By deeply concerned

May 31, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Heart felt words from a soldier in Iraq. He is doing duty. I wonder if some on this blog view him as unpatriotic.

(http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/053107L.shtml)

By deeply concerned

May 31, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Heart felt words from a soldier in Iraq. He is doing duty. I wonder if some on this blog view him as unpatriotic.

(http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/053107L.shtml)

By Paul

May 31, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

getalife 12:21

Real slowly now. I don’t know or care what some tv person’s view on sex is (why do you care about what “position” he favors, anyway?). :) The issue is a school administration who doesnt’ notify parents of a mandatory assembly in which students will be encouraged to engage part in behaviors the parents consider inappropriate.

Reread. Slowly. Exhale. Don’t inhale until you reread.

Does this mean we won’t have to listen to any meaningless comments during the election about Giuliani’s sex life? Or Hillary’s, for that matter? (Was that an oxymoron?).

By getalife

May 31, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

Get it right crusty.

Two pulitzers.

What have you won besides idiot fascist of the year?

Geez.

By Bosch

May 31, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Don’t worry, deeply concerned, Dusty will call them unpatriotic any minute now — or rather that he is just an imposter — an unpatriotic imposter who is helping the terrorists win.

By Goldie

May 31, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

OK, another try—will this post go thru today?

Getalife @ 10:31 — Is this Freddy’s wife #1 or wife #3 (a la Rudy)?

By Goldie

May 31, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

I’m amazed that so-called “authors” are still writing about the Clintons’ story from 20 years ago. There are people who’re buying these books today that explain — oh my, GASP! — ole Bill had an adulterous affair back then? And — GASP AGAIN! — Hillary did not like that one bit, no sirree!

I can understand why bookstores these days may need to divide their sections in “Clinton” vs. “Non-Clinton” material so that those unaware people can easily find these amazing revelations quickly…

By IN THE NEWS

May 31, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

YO - IN THE (REAL) NEWS

IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT…DO IT RIGHT

START BY POSTING YOUR PIECE IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE SOURCE CAN BE REVIEWED.

AS IN

NASA scientist rips Bush on global warming Renowned expert says data ‘screened and controlled’

THEN MAYBE EXCERPT A COUPLE OF LINES LIKE THIS

{{{{He also said reports that outline potential dangers of global warming are edited to make the problem appear less serious. “This process is in direct opposition to the most fundamental precepts of science,” he said.}}}}

SEE, I USED TO DO IT YOUR WAY, GOT HOLLERED AT BY THE CONSERVATIVES ON THE BLOG, AND THEN GOT HELP FROM LEA. (THANKS LEA!)

I’M TOLD WE CAN HAVE A MAXIMUM OF TWO LINKS PER POST (WE’LL SEE ABOUT THAT)SO LET ME HELP YOU FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED SO BADLY…

YOU START WITH THE LINK LIKE THIS

This morning on NPR, NASA administrator Michael Griffin was asked, “Are you concerned about global warming?” His answer: “I’m aware that global warming exists” but “[w]hether that is a longterm concern or not, I can’t say.” Griffin said he is “not sure that it is fair to say that it is a problem we must wrestle with.”

THEN A SAMPLE OF THE PIECE

{{{{Griffin also charged that people are “arrogant” for assuming that “this particular climate that we have right here today, right now is the best climate for all other human beings,” hinting that global warming may actually be good for the earth. This myth is a popular right-wing talking point……..Griffin’s remarks are stunning, coming just days after his own agency released a report warning of the “disastrous effects” of climate change: Even “moderate additional” greenhouse emissions are likely to push Earth past “critical tipping points” with “dangerous consequences for the planet,” ……..James Hansen, NASA’s top climate scientist, called Griffin’s dismissal of global warming “an incredibly arrogant and ignorant statement.” “It indicates a complete ignorance of understanding the implications of climate change,” he added}}}}

SEE ITS EASY!

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By Rover

May 31, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Lickodick,

Your posts are not even worth reading. All you do is cut and paste right-wing blogs and treat these quotes as undeniable truth. It’s a complete joke. Can’t you come up with an original thought, or do you prefer to let Rush and Co. do your thinking for you?

By getalife

May 31, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

Who is the source of this outrage Paul?

Think man.

Its your phone perv who refuses to answer questions about his own sexual deviant behaviour.

Get another source who is not a perv hypocrite and we will discuss your outrage about sex.

Geez.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

DDR

Methinks you could do much better than to hold the Kennedys up as examples or moral, virtuous, selfless examples for other rich, dynastic families to emulate.

Remember Maria Shriver’s comment about when she brought Arnold home to meet momma and the clan? Momma told her she’d had her fun, now get with someone more appropriate (foreign, Austrian, bodybuilder). She said she went right back to CA and married him. Good for her for rejecting the expected family values.

BTW - lots of sources about Mob influence and interaction with the Kennedys (Mostly Dad, also Jack and Bobby). How do you think they ever got introduced to Marilyn, anyhow? Heck, you can even check Congressional hearing records. Fascinating reading.

By getalife

May 31, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

I am not sure but he is Hollywood so probably 3.

By Goldie

May 31, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

{{Can’t you come up with an original thought, or do you prefer to let Rush and Co. do your thinking for you?}}

Rover— don’t forget the wingnuts’ other heroes that they like to cut-n-paste quotes from, such as Ann Coulter and Tim McVeigh…

By Goldie

May 31, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

Getalife— I understand that Freddy was also a big supporter of “federalism” and what it can do for Americans. Should make for a very interesting Repug debate next time!

By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

stevie: I asked because you were giggling like a little schoolgirl.

You know what I mean?

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al-Gitmo: Are you talking to IVAW or “A soldier in iraq” about the fake posts, maybe even Dhimmi Danny WW2 Ve, you have me confused with someone else.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

As-s Hacker: I’m sorry I took so long but I googled “democrat” and “surrender” and all kinds of damn wars came flooding in, I bombed the server I believe. I was down for an hour, the technician that got me back up said it was like a giant black hole in time and made promise to never do that again.

Anyway, I saved one link:

{{{In 1974, the Democratic Congress passed the Case-Church Amendment, which prohibited the United States military from involvement in Vietnam. }}}

Hope that helps.

Loser.

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By getalife

May 31, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

RW,

Can you see if I raised my hand or not?

Geez.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

getalife 12:40

Too easy. Forget any reference to BOR. Anything about Fox. Just delete it from your memory.

Hey getalife! I was browsing through the Rocky Mountain News a couple WEEKS ago and came upon this - written by the editor based upon previous articles. They even have comments from locals (don’t think their views are the same as the DailyKos readers, though).

Wow! What do you think?

Link: Colorado Newspaper Outraged Boulder High School Students Encouraged to Do Drugs, Have Sex

By getalife

May 31, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Here is a little history on lazy Fred:

“In the Washington world of workaholics, Fred is remembered as a virtual teetotaler. During his eight years in the U.S. Senate, an insertion into the Congressional Record amounted to heavy lifting.

His high school yearbook sized him up early: “The lazier a man is, the more he plans to do.”

Sliding back and forth between the fantasy worlds of the silver screen and politics is nothing new for him.

Back in 1992, the Gucci loafers, Lincoln Continental and high-dollar lobbying fees of Fred D. Thompson, Esquire, weren’t playing too well at the political box office in Tennessee. So, he bought an old red pickup and a pair of $100 boots, tuned up the drawl and beat a Harvard man for the Senate in Big Orange country.”

Just a good ole boy.

Geez.

Paul,

I already responded on your outrage over sex. Take a deep breath, go back and read but keep holding your breath.

Geez.

By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

{{{“NASA is the world’s preeminent organization in the study of Earth and the conditions that contribute to climate change and global warming}}}

Why? Isn’t blowing billions of tax payer dollars in their space flight disasters enough for them to worry about?

{{{NASA administrator Michael Griffin is drawing the ire of his agency’s preeminent climate scientists after apparently downplaying the need to combat global warming.}}}

Geez, you reckon?

How about we “combat” terrorism, you know, the real tangible problem that kills people every single day.

Duh.

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By RW-(the original)

May 31, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Knowing you there’s one hand on the keyboard and the other…well nearby. I’ll say you didn’t.

Goldielocks,

What’s wrong with Federalism?

By Paul

May 31, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

He told me. I was in the barber chair next to his. But don’t tell anyone else. I promised him it’d be a secret. So, shhhhhh, okay? It’s just us who know.

BTW - my haircut was $18 and I left a bigger tip than he did - he said he was kinda short this month ‘cause his utility bill was kind of high -

By IN THE NEWS

May 31, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

I WAS PRETTY SURE THAT WAS YOU

NOW WE ALL KNOW

By DebbieDoRight

May 31, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

Paul: OK so the Kennedy’s aren’t Ozzie and Harriet. But, neither were Ozzie and Harriet……… Have you ever asked yourself how clean is the BUSH’S money? Whose soul had to be sacrificed for all those millions in the bank? Can’t wait for the unedited biography on that one!

BTW: To the best of my knowledge, back in the olden days, Mob bosses didn’t talk to anyone but other mob bosses. And if anyone wanted to talk, squeal or otherwise, they had them “hit”. Google Jimmy Hoffa.

By getalife

May 31, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

RW,

I can only use one hand and it is on the keyboard.

Geez pervert.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

getalife 1:00

One last comment as the topic’s pretty well exhausted.

Change your post of “I already responded on your outrage over sex”

to

“I already responded on your outrage over adults encouraging CHILD sex”

and I’ll say you’re much closer to the topic. I’ll just agree to disagree on this one - on to other topics -

By Goldie

May 31, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

{{What’s wrong with Federalism?}}

Right-Wingnut, as opposed to what’s wrong with “state rights” for tamping down some civil rights that’s based on where you live?

By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

{{{By getalife May 31, 2007 1:00 PM Goldie, Here is a little history on lazy Fred}}}

You have to remember that all of the libs called Reagan lazy too and all he was was the greatest president since Abraham Lincoln.

Matter of fact, all the libs called Lincoln an idiot too.

And if you really want to get right down to the root of liberalism’s biggest problem, they think Clinton was a good president, BWAHAHAHAHAHA, geez.

What goofballs they are, my, oh my.

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By Goldie

May 31, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

Everyone raise your hand if you think raising your hand makes any sense while posting on a blog.

By RW-(the original)

May 31, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

Goldielocks,

If we don’t have states rights what’s the point of having states?

By getalife

May 31, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

Daddy Bush made his money with the Nazis.

Daddy Kennedy made his money bootlegging liquor in the US.

You can see the families are both in the same direction.

Geez.

By Dusty

May 31, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

OK getalife,

Luckovich has TWO Pulitzers. No wonder Pulitzer is no longer synonymous with prestigious.

And unlike you, I am not trying to “win the blog”. Every day you win “Best Dimwit Dribble”. Congrats!!

Bosch,

You decide what you want to say about imposters and patriotism.

I will say how I feel about imposters and patriotism. OK??

Sorry about your “tender” feelings. But I am more interested in the welfare of this country than someone’s self concern.

Goldie,

President Clinton lied under oath. That’s a no no and might have something to do with his infamous reputation.

By steve-o

May 31, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

LuckoDork,

Do you remember this?

{{{By Iraq War Veteran

May 30, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

I agree completely with LuckoDull, this is a very honorable mission that we have undertaken in Iraq.

It will take a lot of Courage from our nation and our leaders to see this trough and do what is right, unfortunately our Congress is full of a bunch of sissies.

Maybe they will grow a pair someday?

I also think this “Daniel” person must be ga-y or something, why is he always crying like a baby?

What a wimp.}}}

STILL ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!

The audacity of you posing as a soldier that put his life on the line for his country in Iraq is quite low-down. I mean you have no scruples at all. You are so desperate for attention that you INVENT imaginary characters to validate your obtuse and dillusional points.

So damn funny, but yet so pathetic. LOL!!!

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 1:17 PM | Link to this

ITN: That is vintage Bush. The three most revealing events of the Bush Administration:

1)Valerie Plame deceit, 2)Ashcroft gambit, 3)Black Servicemen caging. Bush is the worst president in American history.

By getalife

May 31, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Hey Paul,

Have you read Dobson’s theory of showering with your child?

Talk about about sick.

Geez.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight

Sure I have. As I understand it, the family fortune was made by Daddy Bush in the west Texas oil fields. I believe he used a lot of his savings, pretty much lived out of his car for a while. Don’t know of any big irregularities in the wealth acquisition, but it wouldn’t surprise me. It’s pretty typical that the younger generation goes pretty nutty with the money.

Again, it’s not a political party issue. Most such families have members who are embarrassments. But the import for a political campaign is nil (waiting for the “what about character chorus” to begin…)

True for the earlier (30s-early60s) generation. They didn’t even have a name for the “organization” - thank Hoover and the government for that. Those guys were like carbon copies of Saddam and his sons - same pathologies. But there was a lot of gov’t interaction which led to the earlier disclosures. Progress is today such “secrets” would be nearly impossible.

By Goldie

May 31, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

{{If we don’t have states rights what’s the point of having states?}}

You make a very good point, Right-Wingnut… I’m surprised by your suggestion!

By RW-(the original)

May 31, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

I’m starting to get the feeling that steve-0 is the one that posted that Iraq War Veteran comment.

By getalife

May 31, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

RW has this weird thing about what bloggers do with their hands.

crusty,

Just say you were wrong as usual and go back to wingnut wootens.

Thanks in advance.

Geez.

By DebbieDoRight

May 31, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

[You have to remember that all of the libs called Reagan lazy too and all he was was the greatest president since Abraham Lincoln.]

ARE YOU INSANE!!???!! Have you forgotten the likes of Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, and CLINTON (for being the first US president in 75 years to bring the US into a SURPLUS economy)??

My GOD man, put the booze down. JUST SAY NO!!!

By getalife

May 31, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Geez Andy,

Now you were at the civil war and knew what libs were talking about with Lincoln?

You have a wicked imagination.

Wow.

By RW-(the original)

May 31, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

Goldielocks,

Do you know the difference between a suggestion and a question?

Hint——————->?

By getalife

May 31, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

All those who think LuckoDull- Andy is insane, please raise your hands.

Geez.

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

In the Valerie Plame scabdal Bush had to savage Joe Wilson’s wife. Joe went to Niger and reported the truth. Bush went berserk. He was ramping the nation up for war. Joe reported no yellow cake uranium link between Iraq and Niger, Bush had to punish Joe. So, Bush revealed that Valerie Plame was a covert CIA Agent! There’s your Bush! Rat Bush had to hurt Joe Wilson. Bush learned from Lee Atwater. There’s our president. History will remember Bush.

By According to Plan

May 31, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - The economy nearly stalled in the first quarter with growth slowing to a pace of just 0.6 percent. That was the worst three-month showing in over four years.

With $3.25/gal gas what would you expect. And why is it $3.25/gal? Could the fact that Iraq has been taken out of production have anything to do with it? Another ‘Mission Accomplished’ for Boy George.

Hey, big, Big, BIG Oil and Government are getting fat, wasn’t that the plan all along?

By Deport 12 million scumbags

May 31, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

RETARD ALERT! RETARD ALERT!

Lickadick has stopped hunting down and killing terrorists in his Cobb county trailer park long enough to post this gem - Reagan and Lincoln are in the same league! Next? Licky begrudgingly says that George W. Bush is the greatest American president of all time! And the blogging world howls with laughter!

By getalife

May 31, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

Geez,

I am sure the troops would love to hear that plan.

Sacrificial convenience.

Wow, just wow.

Geez.

By steve-o

May 31, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

RW,

You have the wrong feeling. I’m sorry, but I find it amusing that a troll like Andy can call people “cowards” and be self-righteous, then pull a pathetic stunt like posing as a war vet. He’s lost all credibility.

By Midori

May 31, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

you’re only 25, Paul?

Man, that indoctrination took real good, didn’t it? At such an early age, too.

By RW-(the original)

May 31, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

Have you ever heard of Richard Armitage?

Goldielocks,

Do you always stay a month behind in your “news” from propaganda sites? ITN could keep you current right here you know. He’s like a fever swamp RSS feed.

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

In the Ashcroft Gambit, Bush dispatched lackeys Gonzales and Card to the hospital bed of an ailing John Ashcroft. Mrs. Ashcroft had asked no visitors attend her very ill husband. Bush wanted Ashcroft to sign an illegal order on surveillance of American citizens. Mrs. Ashcroft, a loyal American, called her husbands deputy when she learned of the late night Bush larceny. Fortunately, “Iago and Judas” were intercepted. The Bush gambit failed. There’s our president, once again. Shoving legal papers in the face of a very sick man.

By RW-(the original)

May 31, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

steve-0,

You seem a little too obsessed with the comment and you have no proof of whether he posted it or not. Besides you clowns have been saying he has no credibility since this blog opened, but he still drives you crazy. Don’t you find that a little odd on your part?<—————-The your in that sentence is a collectivist your as in on the part of the moonbat(ic)s® that swarm around here.

By Goldie

May 31, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

{{Do you always stay a month behind in your “news” from propaganda sites?}}

RW— just your reminder that some political advisers will almost always be worster than others!

By getalife

May 31, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

steve-o,

Andy lost all credibility a long time ago.

We think of him as the crazy, drunk uncle of this blog or the guy you see downtown screaming about the end is near because of liberals.

We just shake our heads back and forth after reading his insanity and RW can see this somehow.

It gets weirder everyday and highly entertaining.

By Dusty

May 31, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

Ah Debbie Do Right,@1:22

I agree that Lincoln rates the “greatest” connotation. And I went along with you until you hit Kennedy, our golden god of youth and integrity(until we found out his “proclivities”). But Clinton….Not THE Clinton..lascivious lover of women his daughter’s age..NOT the Clinton of lying loose lips under oath…NOT THAT ONE!!

Hmmmm….did you stay too long in the hot sun of California recently?

By RW-(the original)

May 31, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

getalife,

You can see the whole internet right here.

Was that you that just passed by with the Club Gitmo shirt on?

By getalife

May 31, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

And take this crusty creature for example. Please.

Her hatred for lying about a bj when the very people trying to impeach him were having their own adulterous affairs, shows her extreme hypocrisy.

I am guessing her husband cheats on her all the time with young women and produces this extreme hatred.

By Bosch

May 31, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

So, Dusty, do you think all veterans who post here that are against the war are imposters?

By getalife

May 31, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

RW,

No, but I think I will get one of those shirts.

I will use “Club Double Gitmo” so they will think I support Willard.

Geez.

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

In the caging of the votes of Black Servicemen and women Bush finds his apotheosis. In the last election, Bush identified Black Servicemen and women. He then sent letters to their home addresses. Some of the letters were returned. Those were sent to the republican party. When those Servicemen and women voted their votes were challenged by republicans and cancelled! This is called caging. It is illegal. Monica Goodling testified to the caging of votes in her testimony before Congress. This is why she sought immunity. John Conyers has this. Perhaps Bush will have Albert Gonzales investigate this on behalf of the American people? Bush scandals eclipse one another. This has legs.

By RW-(the original)

May 31, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

If you really want to see deranged ranting day after day just hit control f and put “Daniel” in the search box.

See y’all at Happy Hour.

RW——out!

By getalife

May 31, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

Well, you know it has legs when his owned Justice Dept. has to investigate.

By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

{{{By steve-o May 31, 2007 1:15 PM LuckoDork, Do you remember this?}}}

Yes I do, ring meat, and like I told you yesterday, that was not me.

I tend to agree with RW about you posting it, you do seem like a weird little mofo.

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{{{By getalife May 31, 2007 1:25 Geez Andy, Now you were at the civil war and knew what libs were talking about with Lincoln?}}}

al-Gitmo: You are aware that they wrote down every thing you goofy liberals said back then, aren’t you?

Just like they do today?

And that you can look it up pretty easy now with google?

Just think, generations from now will still be laughing at how ridiculous you were.

They’ll be like, “geez, that al-Gitmo guy didn’t have any balls.”

You know what I mean?

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By getalife

May 31, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

I am waving RW.

Can you see it?

Geez.

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

getalife: Conyers has it. Caging could be the one that sinks the ship. Bush is a rat. He is as crooked a politician that ever drew a breath. He cheats and breaks laws to get republicans elected. History will not be kind to him. That’s why the old man was bawling in Florida awhile ago. We may all thank God for a Democratic Congress. We would know none of this if they hadn’t granted Goodling immunity.

By getalife

May 31, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

Actually Andy,

Future generations can read how real Americans were voicing their concerns about this fascist takeover if the blogs are still there.

I think they will take this freedom too.

Dissent does not go well with Fascism.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

Goldie 1:31

[[raise your hand if you prefer having Dick Morris as a pol-consultant for your party]]

Bill Clinton raised his hand, several times. Called him back in after a couple of debacles, as a matter of fact. He ain’t 100 percent - but he nails it sometimes (his column on the Democrat’s coming problems over the Iraq funding bill, for instance. Even some very pro-Democratic (guessing) bloggers here reacted just as he predicted.

I once heard him in an interview, the interviewer kept pressing a point, Morris responded with “you’re asking me about what’s right. I’m telling you what to do politically.”

That’s it in a nutshell.

Daniel 1:32 1:43 Old news. Beat to death. Surely you can find something more current?

Midori 1:39

Okay, you saw through that. It’s dog years.

You’re right about the indoctrination, though. When you’re raised in a free-thinking, progressive household where you’re taught to challenge every assumption, reason though an argument and treat all labels with suspicion it rather affects one’s outlook.

RW-(the original 1:40) (Have you ever heard of Richard Armitage?)

I have! Isn’t he the guy Fitzgerald prosecuted and indicted for telling Novak Plame was a CIA employee? Wait, wait, that wasn’t a crime under statute. I know!! Fitzgerald prosecuted and indicted Joseph Wilson for then going to a Washington blogger and broadcasting to the world that not only was she a CIA agent, she was also a covert agent!!!! Right?

I can’t figure it out, though. The Bush Administration can’t keep this conspiracy a secret but they can keep secret that they knew Islamists were going to hit the World Trade Center on 9-11 and they kept quiet so thousands of Americans would die and they could invade Iraq for their oil. And they’ve kept the names of the hundreds of conspirators quiet all these years. Well, I’m sure some here will tell us how Pres Bush is so smart to have pulled that off.

Oh yeah.. /sarc/

By steve-o

May 31, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

RW,

I’m not obsessed with Andy’s fake post, just amazed.

Just like I’m amazed at your commitment to set aside a couple of hours a day to show up on a political blog and act like a total dick.

Truly amazed.

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

Paul: You’re under stress. Why would Bush want to reveal where Valerie worked? why would Bush send “Iago and Judas” to the midnight bedside of an ailing Ashcroft? And finally, why would our president illegally cancel the votes of Americans? There’s Bush. Not old news. Answer the questions!

By getalife

May 31, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Russert claimed there were two leaks. The other was Rove. Libby took the fall.

You read the same as RW.

Can you see me too?

Geez, BO dittohead.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

Daniel 2:24

You ask, others explain your theories. Got it.

No stress. This is stress relief - light-hearted fun. Like I said, the old news is beat to death. There’s plenty more out there. It’s a new season - reruns are rather boring!

By Funny morons...

May 31, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

Here is a list that of all of the bogus claims the Global Warming Deniers are using countered with evidence that what they believe to be true is indeed false. The list is quite comprehensive and provides references for all of the counter-claims. I would love to see the Deniers come up with their own, oh yeah, they can’t because they have NO evidence to support their feeble claims.

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

Paul: Answer the question. Why did Bush cause Valerie Plame to lose her job?

By getalife

May 31, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

Paul thinks he is progressive but calls kos a radical.

Too funny Pa er RW.

Geez.

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Paul: Ok, What kind of person causes a man’s wife to lose her job? What did Valerie ever do to Bush?

By Goldie

May 31, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

{{I will use “Club Double Gitmo” so they will think I support Willard.}}

LMAO!

By getalife

May 31, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

“President Bush called today for the 15 countries that are major producers of greenhouse gases to confer this fall and adopt a common goal on curbing emissions.”

Mmmmmm, why would he do such a thing?

Sanctions for Sudan, money for aids and now this.

OMG Andy, w has turned liberal.

Oh, the humanity.

Geez.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

getalife 2:32

Sigh. Please read s-l-o-w-l-y. I said “raised in a progressive household.” I didn’t say “I am a progressive.”

But, regardless of that - care to pick a couple issues - domestic, say - and we’ll see where we fall on the spectrum? Schools? Military spending? Prison vs rehab for druggies? You’ve read my thoughts on those issues - c’mon, be a sport!

Daniel - you’re sounding scarily obsessed.

By IN THE NEWS

May 31, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

FUNNY MORONS,

THAT REALLY CHAPS MY BUTT

CAN WE BE ANY COLDER? ANY CHEAPER?

THANKS FOR THE LINK

By Goldie

May 31, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

{{Bill Clinton raised his hand, several times. Called him back in after a couple of debacles, as a matter of fact.}]

Uber— I’m sure there’s a big “reason” why Dick Morris is no longer a Dem consultant… his critical thinking faculties have obviously gone over the cliff.

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

None of the republicans can answer the simple questions. They want to think Bush is decent. He isn’t. He’s a crooked rat bastard.

By getalife

May 31, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You are pure wingnut, BO dittohead.

Do you listen to Rush too?

By Goldie

May 31, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

{{Russert claimed there were two leaks. The other was Rove. Libby took the fall.}}

And it wasn’t just Bob Novak who got the leaked info — Novak is simply the first one to take the bait and publish his article. There was leakage all over the place, coming from Rove, Armitage and Scooter… Rove lied about 4 or 5 times before the grand jury before he decided to change his story, and Scooter continued to lie. Apparently Armitage did not lie about what he did. Scooter will do the jail time for perjuring himself.

By Hey, Moron

May 31, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

Thanks to our current idiot and his dwindling supporters we are the Iraqi’s beeyatches?:

Al-Maliki insisted that his government is not ordered around by the Americans, saying, “The Americans don’t order us to do this or not to do that. On the contrary, we’re the ones who tell them to do this and don’t do that.”

By Paul

May 31, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

Goldie 2:45

Actually, I believe he and Hillary had a big falling out. The antipathy between those two is pretty amazing. I understand she neither forgives nor forgets, and he excoriates her every chance he gets.

But I still think he has some good insights and ideas worth exploring.

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

Goldie: That’s right. The entire Bush White House was ramped up to hurt Valerie. The highest echelon of our government was after a single honest American woman! There is Bush the rat. Repubicans cannot and will not address the issue. History will.

By steve-o

May 31, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Thanks to Jon Stewart, I can’t see or even read about Bob Novak without cracking up and thinking of him as the “Douchebag of Liberty.”

By Dusty

May 31, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

getalife @1:54

Should I call you Casanova or wait until you tell me what a “bj” is? I’m not familiar with the meaning of that one but since YOU use it….oh well!!! Promiscuity, thy name is getalife.

Bosch@2:00,

No, I do not think that all veterans who post here are imposters. I also do not think that all imposters who post here are veterans. But imposters don’t mind posing as veterans.

I know you don’t believe that but you will after awhile. Let’s say there comes an obvious “veteran” ID from the “front lines”. It is edited perfectly.

First supports everything USA. Then smoothly moves into condemning the country, the war, the troops and the President. Ends up with the worn out liberal question “Why do we have an Iraq War?”

One “veteran” even got around to referring to God as “she”. Could be a feminist Marine??? Army? I don’t think so.

You can believe what you want to believe. As I said before, I will do the same and search beyond the “face value” of what is presented.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

getalife 2:46

Did the earlier contemplation of Thompson’s and McCain’s wives addle your thoughts?

LOL - I have a strong suspicion you’re much more conversant in “Rush’s views” than I am!

Seriously, I don’t have a lot of time for radio guys who endlessly extol the virtues of super-sized SUVs.

By Bosch

May 31, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

Dusty, You wrote earlier -

“First supports everything USA. Then smoothly moves into condemning the country, the war, the troops and the President. Ends up with the worn out liberal question “Why do we have an Iraq War?”

Maybe because they’ve been there and seen the truth. You can’t simply have it both ways.

By Bosch

May 31, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

Dusty, Another thing, do you have a problem with some people thinking of God as a “she?”

Let me guess, you think that God is a white man with long white hair and a beard that sits in the clouds with a golden sceptor on a golden throne.

By getalife

May 31, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

Well Paul,

We have an agreement.

I do not listen to oxyheads either.

Those that do are the most gullible of creatures.

You must not be RW because he does listen to that drug addicted entertainer and takes him seriously. Mann Coulter too.

By Bosch

May 31, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

Another thing Dusty, Can you tell me why we are at war in Iraq?

By getalife

May 31, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

A bj is why your husband cheats on you with younger women and why you hate Clinton so much.

Believe me, the younger women know what a bj is?

Ask your husband.

Geez.

By getalife

May 31, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

BTW, Dusty,

The Clintons are still married.

Newt went to his ex’s hospital bed and asked for a divorce.

Who has the family values?

By getalife

May 31, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

And Newt married his mistress he was having an affair while impeaching Bill.

Tom too but at least Tom stayed married.

Then you have Rudy.

Geez, see a trend there Dusty?

By Funny morons...

May 31, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Mann Coulter

LOL

I hadn’t heard that one.

By Midori

May 31, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

I think Paul really has gone “uber” — the cliff, that is.

By IN THE NEWS

May 31, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

WHAT A CRACK JOURNALIST!

{{{{{“He’s got the jaw going on, the little gray thing in there. And I think that means a lot in America”}}}}

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

May 31, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

-=-

In light of the earlier discussions—-

Reagan and the Mob

-=-

By IN THE NEWS

May 31, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

PRINT THIS OUT AND POST…..

For you chemistry lovers - The Periodic Table of Criminal Elements

By Paul

May 31, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

getalife 3:16

I saw Coulter on an interview wherein she was challenged about her fggt remark - how it led to attacks on her then she responds.

She cut in with “and I sell lots more books and get lots more speaking gigs.”

Money and Power. It’s Money and Power.

BTW - I used to call her “Howard Dean in drag.” Don’t hear much of him anymore, but I’m quite confident another will take his place.

By Funny morons...

May 31, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

I swear to you I thought this was an article written by The Onion.

[[[WASHINGTON - The Bush administration said Tuesday it will fight to keep meatpackers from testing all their animals for mad cow disease.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture tests less than 1 percent of slaughtered cows for the disease, which can be fatal to humans who eat tainted beef. But Arkansas City-based Creekstone Farms Premium Beef wants to test all of its cows.

Larger meat companies feared that move because, if Creekstone tested its meat and advertised it as safe, they might have to perform the expensive test, too.[..]

The Agriculture Department argued that widespread testing could lead to a false positive that would harm the meat industry. U.S. District Judge James Robertson noted that Creekstone sought to use the same test the government relies on and said the government didn’t have the authority to restrict it.]]]

Nice to see that the Feds’ biggest concern is not the citizens, but false positives hurting the meat industry.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

May 31, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

We’d vote for a guy who was sodomizing goats if he did it with a Bible in his hand. Whether you HAVE family values is irrelevant. It’s whether you give lip service to them that matters. Haven’t you been paying attention? Its just like military service. It isn’t whether or not you fought, it is only important that you act like you would. Why else would we elect Cheney who asked for and received five deferments? Obviously he wussed when he had the chance but he looks mean, talks tough and he likes shooting small animals. That’s enough for me.
Another example of right-wing hypocrisy is our criticism of Hollywood elites. We criticize them at every turn and then elect as many as possible while the left elects zero. My personal favorite inconsistency is our criticism of “left-wing media.” Our response: produce the most biased cable news and talk radio shows known to man and discuss, therein, “left-wing media bias.” I just love it when the NYT says something bad about a Republican: “well what do you expect they are known as abiased media outlet?” The same paper says something bad about a Dem: “Its must be true, why else would the NYT say it, given their bias?” It’s an amazingly clever racket we’ve got and we’ve got millions of idiots eating it up.

RWNJIFG

By Midori

May 31, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

big difference between the words that come out of Dean’s mouth and coulter’s mouth: Dean makes sense, and he doesn’t go around trashing 9/11 widows for “money and power”

By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

{{{Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards says a wave of mergers in the oil industry should be investigated by the Justice Department to see what impact they have had on soaring gasoline prices.}}}

Meanwhile, back on Earth:

{{{Gasoline Taxes by State 2002-North Carolina 40.8 cents a gallon}}}

It’s gone up since then, you can bet your sweet as-s.

{{{North Carolina ethanol plant creates new market for corn. Not only do taxpayers subsidize farmers, but they shell out 51 cents in tax credits for every gallon of ethanol produced.}}}

Like I always say, the democrat presidential candidates for 2008 are some the most hayseed morons to ever showcase their stupidity before a national audience or they are the most dishonest mofo’s out there.

Which one is it?

Cowards.

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By Dusty

May 31, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

chickenheart getalife,

OK. YOU mentioned “bj”s. Explain.

My marriage is fine, thank you. We don’t go for “extracurricular activity”.

By the way, expert, have you EVER BEEN married? I mean, more than a couple of days and legally?

Bosch,

Yes, dear one, you can be in the military and be a feminist. I just never met one.

“Feminist” usually has extreme connotations. The military men of my life have respect for women from their own hearts, not by demand.

Yes, dear slow one, your question has been asked and answered over and over here. So I will condense my answer so you can ask again. We fight in Iraq for peace and freedom.

Then you post”Maybe they(military) have been there and have seen the truth. You can’t have it both ways.”

I do not see our troops trying to run home because they have “seen the truth”. Only liberals like you want them to run home.

I do not call that support. That is called retreat, a term unlikely attached to our military. They are there to win.

By Midori

May 31, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

p.s. Dean prolly looks better in a dress than Coulter does.

All that “money and power” she has, and the best she can do is constantly wear that skanky looking black dress which is two sizes too small?

By GodHatesTrash

May 31, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

Dusty seems to “think” (you always have to sue that term loosely with Dusty) that everybody in the military is an idiot, therefore they must be fundamentalist Christians.

Dusty’s family notwithstanding, not all military people are idiots.

By Midori

May 31, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

LOL,

Crusty needs to be explained as to what a “BJ” is

rofl!!!

It means “Black Jesus”

happy, Crusty?

LOL!!!!

By MM

May 31, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

I don’t think Bush will make it through the end of his term.

Impeachment or indictment?

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

May 31, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

Luck,

I agree. The dems are dumb. They don’t have one candidate who takes the Bible as the literal word of God and we’ve got what, three candidates who are smart enough to know that the story of Genesis is absolute fact. I know that you will agree that the world is in fact only around 6,000 years old and that scientists who say otherwise are part of a Satanic conspiracy to take God out of our public lives. Only the real smart people know that and they are all Republicans like us, right?

RWNJIFG

By Bosch

May 31, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Hmmm….Dusty, so we are in Iraq for freedom and peace. I honestly thought you were going to say to fight the Islamofascists or something equally as lame.

Dusty, we won the war in Iraq about three years ago, when we ousted Saddam, because isn’t that what we went in there for? Get rid of the big bad dictator because he had WMD?

My question now is why the hell are we still there?

I think if given the chance, there isn’t a U.S. soldier in Iraq right now who wouldn’t come home, or better yet, if given the chance, have the opportunity to be transferred to the Afghanistan front.

You must not have ever met a woman who is in the military, or know what the word “feminism” means. The women I’ve met who are in the military could whip my a* hands down. That’s it, you just don’t know what feminism means.

By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

{{{By nut job May 31, 2007 4:08 PM I know that you will agree that the world is in fact only around 6,000 years old and that scientists who say otherwise are part of a Satanic conspiracy to take God out of our public lives.}}}

nut hugger: Well, actually-

1) I’m smart enough to know that humans weren’t around for the Creation of the world and that it is like really hard to include pictures in the Book of Genesis.

Geez.

(If you were going to describe God’s awesome power, not having actually seen it but having it explained to you by the Holy Spirit, would you not project an image of a powerful, organized Creator. What are these dumba-ss liberals looking for, “on the 12,895,643 day, God created ammonia and said that is good. On the 12,895,644 day he combined the ammonia with vinegar.”

Act your age, this ain’t a cartoon.

2) That I didn’t not come out of some monkey’s as-s like you did (and are so proud of.)

3) That all of this was Created, if not, how in the F could it be here?

Duh.

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By What?

May 31, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

If you open The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika’ Century~!’s “Reagan and the mob” link you’ll find Tommy’s shopping list.

{{{Flip deeper into the catalog, and the products get even more specialized, such as a “Big John” toilet seat with a 1,200-pound capacity - “larger than any other toilet seat in the world” - priced at $124.95.}}}

Those standard issue chairs and seats just not doing it for you PNAC?

By Mrs. Godzilla

May 31, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

I thank feminism and feminists every day. And Dusty, so should you.

I got to use birth control, so I did not have to have 1 child every 18 months till I died young and worn out.

I got to go to high school and university, rather than be married/sold off when I started menstrating.

I got to enter the profession of my choice.

I got to vote.

I could run for office.

I can own property in my own right.

I got to pick my own husband.

My daughters are as valuable as my sons.

My husband cannot “discipline” me. (He’d have to catch me first!)

Do you want to turn back the clock on any of these things?

One difference between you and I Dusty is that I require that ALL men I deal with respect me. Much to my delight, they live up to my high expectations and I respect them right back.

BTW - after all these years we still do not have salary equity. We still need the movement.

By Educator

May 31, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

fem·i·nism Pronunciation: ‘fe-m&-“ni-z&m Function: noun 1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes

By Bosch

May 31, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

AMEN Mrs. G.!

I think Dusty is one of those women who has been told over the years that woman can’t or shouldn’t think, been beaten down like a dog, and let’s her men folk do all the thinking for her.

By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Drumroll, please. The sniveling Cowards have finally, finally said something I cannot dispute:

{{{By Bosch May 31, 2007 4:17 PM The women I’ve met who are in the military could whip my a* hands down.}}}

Yes, lib, you are correct, geez.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Goldie

May 31, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

{{big difference between the words that come out of Dean’s mouth and coulter’s mouth}}

Midori— and how does Uber even attempt to equate the two??? I’ve never known Howard Dean to get nostalgic for that good ole boy, Tim McVeigh, as Coulter has…

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

May 31, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this

Bosch,

Isn’t it obvious why we are there? We are there because it is clear that Iraq is in worse shape than before and even a greater potential threat. This gives us an excuse to stay there for years fighting “evil doers” and making billions for our friendly campaign donating contractors. In addition, you can’t justify the invasion in the eyes of the American people if you leave a bigger mess than you found. You’ve got to run out the clock and blame the mess on the next guy, or Congress. Just like ‘Nam. Remember this diddy: “we were just so close to victory and then the dems cut off funding. Damn shame.” LOL. We’ve ran on that load of crap for decades. Same play here.

Further, our guys get to be within easy range of the Iranians who we are just wishing would “make our day” by killing a bunch of our troops so that we can use all this hardware we’ve bought kill more brown people and make even more money.

Why are there? That’s funny. Ain’t war hell? LOL!

RWNJIFG

By Goldie

May 31, 2007 4:35 PM | Link to this

{{It means “Black Jesus”}}

Midori— LOL! I’m sure there’s been many spouses who’ve yelled that out in the throes of ecstacy!

By Goldie

May 31, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

{{My husband cannot “discipline” me. (He’d have to catch me first!)

Do you want to turn back the clock on any of these things?}}

Mrs G— of course she does! Remember those were the good ole days according to the Repugs’ base of supporters.

By GodHatesTrash

May 31, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

What kind of man would marry a woman like Dusty?

I would imagine that if one could have sex with dusty, one could have sex with anything.

Let’s face it, one would have to be blind (with no sense of smell, either)or always drunk to have sex with Dusty.

Get, I’ll wager that Mr. Dusty’s sexual proclivities are not limited by gender or species, if he has ever had sex with Dusty…

By Midori

May 31, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

Earlier this month, after a tornado destroyed 95 percent of Greensburg, Kansas, Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (D-KS) spoke out about how the war in Iraq had severely drained the state’s National Guard, slowing recovery efforts for disaster victims.

Now the Bush administration is exacting revenge:

gotta love your “manly” president.

he sure loves to beat up on girls.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

Midori 3:58

I thought the Presidency was the biggest power trip of all? Well, you got me thinking. I suppose one could say Coulter is intentionally provocative to make money. Dean - well, he’s provocative. Not always intentionally, and with the exception of his “I hate Republicans” some of his comments are worth reflecting upon. Such as:

The fact is that we wouldn’t be in Iraq if it weren’t for Democrats like Senator Kerry. (Yup)

Someone earlier made a remark about losing 500 soldiers and 2,200 wounded in Iraq. Those soldiers were sent there by the vote of… Sen. Edwards and Sen. Kerry. I think that is a serious matter. (Yup, again)

I have my warts. I sometimes say things that get me in trouble. In other words, I lead with my heart and not my head. That’s the only chance we have against George Bush. (Policy by emotion. Hmmmmm).

We have to say what we believe… whether it’s popular or not. (Hillary? Your war vote? Hillary?)

I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks. We can’t beat George Bush unless we appeal to a broad cross-section of Democrats. (those guys are Democrats?!!? And here I thought they were all neocon racist Republicans?) (Goldie: your 4:32?)

Real Democrats don’t make promises they can’t keep.” (Are there any “real Democrats”? Pelosi? Reed? War funding? Real Security? Hello?)

Midori 4:04

Maybe I’m being a bit literal or I’ve completely missed your point, but I read your post and ask ?????? I’d imagine there’s more than one African American (or Hispanic, Caucasian, Asian, etc) evangelical or fundamentalist (let alone Rev Sharpton or Jackson) who’d look a tad askance at a synonym for “BJ” in a sexual context as “Black Jesus,” given the use in the 3:23 post. Oh, well -

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

May 31, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Luck,

I’m very disappointed. The Bible says 7 days. THAT’S SEVEN DAYS!!!!! That’s how long it took, period!!! Of course we were created by God in seven days. the first guy was Adam and God as an afterthought decided to make Eve. That’s how it happened. 3 of our brilliant candidates believe that. Evolution is a lie as most Republicans agree. I’m sorry that your heathen heart is too cold to accept the word of God. May you burn in hell for eternity for buying into the Satanist’s theories about creation taking a real long time. God Bless America and the GOP (God’s Own Party)!!!

RWNJIFG

By Commenter

May 31, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

I wonder if Mr. Dusty knows what a bj is.

By Goldie

May 31, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

Commenter @ 4:45 — probably does, but he has to look elsewhere to find one!

LMAO!

By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

{{{By nut job May 31, 2007 4:42 PM Luck, I’m very disappointed. The Bible says 7 days. THAT’S SEVEN DAYS!!!!! That’s how long it took, period!!!}}}

nut hugger: Were you there?

Geez.

{{{The premise behind the question seems to be that if one does not unhesitatingly assert belief in evolution, then one must necessarily believe that God created the world and everything in it in six 24-hour days. But limiting this question to a stark choice between evolution and creationism does a disservice to the complexity of the interaction between science, faith and reason.}}}

Which is the level you sniveling Coward liberals operate on, simple.

As in simpleton.

Duh.

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By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

May 31, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

-=-

In response to What?

Yeah that was plain weird — It must have been a sidebar link and not the main text..

Lets try that again….

Ronnie RayGun and the Mob!

Oh and for more fun!——

Teamster Scandals and Republicans or why the Republicans should just shut up!

Cheers!`

By For Dusty

May 31, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

maybe this will help

By Commenter

May 31, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

Goldie, if he gets it elsewhere, Mr. Dusty must lie about it like bad man Bill.

OOOh, the plot thickens.

By Saint Ronnie

May 31, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

Nancy was three months pregnant at the time

By Midori

May 31, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

oh, calm down Paul.

I was just having a bit of fun with Crusty.

and speaking of power trips

nobody does it better - if I may borrow a phrase from James Bond.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

May 31, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

Luck,

I didn’t have to be there. All I have to do is read the revealed word of God to know the truth. And stop splitting hairs. You seem to suggest that you can reject the Bible and still believe in God. That reminds of the people who believe in and God AND evolution. You can’t have it both ways. This is a black and white world. You are either for us or against us. You either go to heaven or to hell. You either believe in Genesis or you are a heathen just like those who believe that God and Darwin can be reconciled.

But back to the original point. Smart people like those in the majority of the GOP understand the literal word of God and reject evelotution or any of your other alternative anti-God theories, Mr. Darwin-light. That is why the members of the GOP are so smart and had the wisdom to elect a man as wise as George Bush, twice.

RWNJIFG

By Paul

May 31, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

Dusty

There’s a pattern here. While this should be about the exploration of ideas and policy debate - well, the last dozen or so posts show when there are no good counters to the points you make, your adversaries abandon the argument and go for potty humor.

It’s not about winning. But, you won.

By Midori

May 31, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

ding, ding, ding!!!!

Paul nails it!!!

{{{{{well, the last dozen or so posts show when there are no good counters to the points you make}}}}}}}

how do you make “good counters” to out right stupidity?

By Deport 12 million idiots

May 31, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

Andy wasn’t CREATED! He was the result of an immaculate abortion!

By Paul

May 31, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

Midori 5:04

Seriously, thanks. I still don’t remember all the long-standing interactions here. So let me say my 5:10 didn’t apply to you -

I say Ms Geyer’s column this morning. Gotta say it’s “strange.” But, if you read it without the “wild-eyed” words, it really does change the entire tone. Same with the second example - take out “extended whine, a rant” and what do you have? Another politician monopolizing the conversation to make his points.

Sen Dodd was on Letterman a couple nights ago - discussion about his “extended” discussions - it was all humorous. Of course, Letterman didn’t refer to Dodd’s “rants.” I’m always a bit suspicious when opinion adverbs or adjectives are implied as facts - especially when rereading the text without the words doesn’t give the same message.

Again, not defending the Pres here - just a discussion about the impact of certain words in pushing perceptions.

By getalife

May 31, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this

Strange?

As strange as you thinking crusty won when she does not know what a bj is?

My goodmess,

Our country’s destiny?

w is way gone.

Geez.

By Dusty

May 31, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Paul @ 5:10,

I am accustomed to the potty level of brain “smarts’ on this blog. So their remarks do not surprise me one bit. Kinda “forgive them for they know not what they talk about” sort of thing.

My husband and I, both professionals, have learned to think for ourselves. We work as a team at home, even when one is on the other side of the country from the other at times.

We both grew up in an environment where no one had to be”taught” to have respect for others, male or female. Our parents showed us by example.

My family through many generations has fought for this country. I love the USA and am most thankful for my good fortune to be here.

PS—I have been trying to post since 4:15 but nothing would go through. Maybe this one will appear.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

May 31, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

-=-

“Destiny? Why is it that small minded men take all the ill’s and evils of their lives as they try and make you believe that their rulership is best for everyone concerned, and then they wrap it into a cloak of pride and arrogance and call it their Destiny.”

“Men who crave power look back on the mistakes of their lives. Piles them together and call it destiny.”

“We’ve got a date with destiny, and it looks like she’s ordered the lobster!”

-=-

By Paul

May 31, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

Dusty

I’ve had a bit of a break the last couple of days so it’s been interesting to spend a bit more time here. The server’s been horrendous. I think many just gave up.

Yours sounds like a rewarding partnership. Congrats. I must say, though, that “example” is teaching. The best kind.

My mom just gave me my dad’s medals, insignia, etc from WWII. I wrote my Congressman (his didn’t respond) and got a flag flown over the Capitol and a certificate of appreciation. They’re all going in a glass-front box and the family will get together and present it to him for Father’s Day.

My wife just came in from work - quite emotional - interview at lunch on NPR with Martha Raddatz, journalist who’s been to Iraq 12 times, just wrote the book “The Long Road Home” about the battle for Sadr City. She related how the bodies of the killed servicement were kept in a refrigerated unit pending shipment home, and how the commander, every morning before going out on another mission, would go inside the unit, touch each one, talk to each one, and tell them how sorry he was. By that time my wife couldn’t talk much - but I thought you might want to read the book.

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

Paul: Thank you for the 5:55PM post. I am in the middle of “Team of Rivals”. I will make a note of “The Long Road Home”.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

Daniel

You’re most welcome. I just looked up “Team of Rivals.” I’m ordering that one. Shame, isn’t it - given our media culture and emphasis on “looks” that an Abraham Lincoln would likely never get elected President -

By RW-(the original)

May 31, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

{{{{{By steve-0 May 31, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this RW, Just like I’m amazed at your commitment to set aside a couple of hours a day to show up on a political blog and act like a total dick.}}}}}

What got your thong in a bunch this time stevie-0?

getalife,

I saw you waving

By Paul

May 31, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

Daniel

Okay, I just read your 6:10. Looked at the level of book you referenced. Are you seriously the same Daniel posting earlier today?

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this

Paul: A friend gave me a copy. 750 pages, so you’ll get comfortable with it. No, Lincoln wouldn’t have a prayer. I will look forward to discussing it with you as you get into it. We haven’t changed that much.

By @@

May 31, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

Well I see where all the liberals THOUGHT they were having a little fun at Dusty’s expense. I’m guessing you were WRONG.

Dusty was having a little fun at YOUR expense. She knows full well what Getalife was talking about, she was just pulling his leg, if you will.

Dusty is more liberated in that she exhibits a more refined feminine approach. Her standards are high.

There’s nothing like a woman who wallows in the gutter. The men DOWN THERE love to sweep up the trash.

By Dusty

May 31, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Paul,

for your information. I will try to get Martha Raddatz’ book. I can see why your wife might come home “quiet”.

Your father will enjoy the day you have planned for him. I have one flag tucked away. Sometimes I get to the National Cemetery at Beaufort where my parents and uncle are buried. It is a beautiful old place with peace and quiet. Lincoln’s Gettysburg address is on a marker at the front gate. It is altogether lovely and pleasant sadness at its best.

Enjoy your dinner. Mine is about ready. You wouldn’t like it. We eat “plain” here and fight the pounds. No dessert! And strawberries are in season!!ohh..shortcake….

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Paul: One, and the same. Are you the same, Paul?

By Paul

May 31, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Dusty.

I’d enjoy it, I’m sure. The best meals are those prepared with fresh, simple ingredients, handled carefully. But it is fun to experiment. I liked Jeff Smith’s “The Frugal Gourmet” view: learn about and appreciate other peoples and cultures through their food. We just redid the kitchen - took about three phases (I went total retentive with research - then just gave up and picked stuff). But boy, is it a great place to be now.

By getalife

May 31, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

RW,

That new google map feature is pretty cool.

Geez @@,

You know too much about Dusty.

Wonder why?

By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this

Dhimmi Danny hasn’t blubbered in two posts in a row, maybe we do have a new Danny.

Geez.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By RW-(the original)

May 31, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I bet you can’t wait until they add the google Cheetah option.

Paul,

Daniel sounded sane once before about a year or two ago. It’s one of the strangest and quickest 180’s I’ve ever seen in an attitude adjustment, but it finishes the 360 even quicker.

By Patriotic Foreskin

May 31, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

I think it’s a patriotic duty to point out here that there is no credible blogging support for W (or the right) left on the internetz.

The raving drools and smudge-wits who cling to neo-bonic promises of mission accomplished in Iraq prove only that Pathos is not pretty. (indeed it’s a damn shame).

What is the mission of US troops in Iraq? The horrible realization that dawns on America is that there never was a mission. They are there because Cheney’s defense industry cronies insisted they be there, cause it’s just too profitable.

No mission. No scenario for withdrawal. No secret conspiracy or grand plan for evil domination of the world….just a human being who screwed up and, like the accidents that litter history books with catastrophic consequences, our unlikely president, (gore won, ditto Kerry), is the wrong man invading the wrong country at the worst possible time, and now we’ve the devil to pay. This accident of history which uncorked the ancient enmities need never have happened. It’s bad folks. It’s real bad. And there’s nothing that can save us, unless the arabs decide that 10K years of feuding is enough and cooler heads finally prevail, sure, that could happen!

The entire USA is now on double secret probation by every other country. It’s us against the world now, and all we’ve got on our side is Murphy, Rube Goldberg, and whoever Peter is.

By Daniel

May 31, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

RW: I just don’t like cheats. You gotta problem with that? If I were cheering for Bush, you’d think I was writing Shakespeare.

By Paul

May 31, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

and again another try after 15 minutes

Daniel 6:27

Absolutelyflippinamazing. Will wonders never cease?

Yup. Same as what, I’m not quite sure. But, yup.

By RW-(the original)

May 31, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

No Danny, I’d still think you’re insane.

By RW-(the original)

May 31, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

How did those big bold letters get in my post?

By getalife

May 31, 2007 7:10 PM | Link to this

Ah, the Cheetah.

Last time I was there at a bachelor bus tour party, I saw an ex waitressing. I told her to get up there and dance and she said no.

Then I asked her to marry me, she said yes and then I cut and ran.

By Patriotic Foreskin

May 31, 2007 7:14 PM | Link to this

The fault is not in our stars, mein freund, but in our cars.

Bush is negotiating with the terrorists, oh wait, he’s now calling them insurgents. As bush sells out our army, expect the “terrorists, I mean insurgents to become “diplomats”.

Rush is stuffing himself again over this. You should hear him now.

Pathos is not pretty.

Interesting developments about global warming from Nasa today. Mr Griffin is obviously lobbying for more federal funding of the new moon shots, and I dont blame him one bit for appealing to the lunatic fringe on the neo-front of witchhunting creationists (W and the gay baiting Cheney). Hi Mary. Hope everything is butch today.

Lovin’ the future, changin’ the Past.

By LuckoDull

May 31, 2007 7:22 PM | Link to this

No mission in Iraq but yet we keep killing foreign Al Qaeda fighters:

{{{“The events of the past two days are promising developments. Sunni citizens of Amariyah that have been previously terrorized by al-Qaida are now resisting and want them gone. They’re tired of the intimidation that included the murder of women,” Kuehl said. A U.S. military officer, who agreed to discuss the fight only if not quoted by name because the information was not for release, said the Army was checking reports of a big al-Qaida enclave in Amariyah housing foreign fighters, including Afghans, doing temporary duty in Iraq. U.S.-funded Alhurra television reported that non-Iraqi Arabs and Afghans were among the fighters over the past two days. Casualty figures were not immediately available. But the district councilman said the al-Qaida leader in Amariyah, known as Haji Hameed, was killed and 45 other fighters were detained.}}}

This^^ is what the stupid sniveling Cowards whine about, too many dead Al Qaeda.

Losers.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

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