Mike Luckovich

By LuckoDull

May 24, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

c) Unkept government promises.

{{{In 1986, when there probably were 3 million to 5 million illegal immigrants, Americans accepted an amnesty because they were promised that border control would promptly follow. Today the 12 million illegal immigrants, 60 percent of whom have been here five or more years, are as numerous as Pennsylvanians; 44 states have populations smaller than 12 million.}}}

The problems are real and many; traffic, pollution, crowded underperforming schools, failed emergency health care, budget deficits, social security shortfalls.

It doesn’t take a deep thinker to see that adding a underclass of 12 million people who will take most of the money they make and send it to some other country, is not a really a very smart blueprint for the future.

Yes, I know cartoon boy is not a deep thinker.

{{{From 1990 to 2004, Hispanics accounted for 92 percent of the increase in poor people. Only 53 percent of Hispanics earn high school diplomas, the lowest among American ethnic groups. Half of all children born to Hispanic-Americans in 2005 were born out of wedlock — a reliable predictor of social pathologies.}}}

How much have you heard the liberals ragging everybody about the “poor.”

If you want a maid, if you want a yard boy, then pay some legal born American kid a decent wage, instead of importing some slave and having the tax payers foot the bill.

Geez.

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By LuckoDull

May 24, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

{{{Some Democrats have figured out that increasing taxes generally is not a winning strategy, so they have decided to lie about it by claiming their budget does not increase taxes, though the words and numbers in the budget resolution show it does.}}}

They think we are all stupid like their voters are.

Geez.

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{{{Unfortunately he (Jimmy Carter) keeps writing books. With his 2006 blunderbuss, Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid he has now written twenty-one. With each book he emerges anew in all his cheesiness, his hollowness, his ignominious smallness. It is difficult to believe that the American people ever raised him to the presidency, but then he was elected in the middle of the 1970s, a decade when America was on the run. The Soviet Union was taking advantage of the Democrats’ recent foreign policy bug-out, Vietnam. Moscow’s agents and allies were busily advancing the Marxist-Leninist hooey in Africa, Southeast Asia, and Latin America. At home the moribund liberals were putting the final touches on their governmental monstrosity, the welfare state, thus ensuring stagflation, ungovernable cities, and continued wretchedness for their victims, the poor.}}}

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By Mrs. Godzilla

May 24, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this

Immigration is not my issue.

As I understand it, the right thinks the proposed bill is amnesty. That is not the truth. It may, however, contain insufficient punishment for entering the country illegally.

The left believes the guest worker program will create a permanent underclass and depress American wages. I have been unable to find any real details on the guest worker program, so I can’t pass judgment.

I will read today’s post and links carefully as I try to make up my mind. Hopefully, you ladies and gentlemen will provide some food for thought……not just political fodder.

Let’s try some reasoned, rational debate.

By candide

May 24, 2007 8:10 AM | Link to this

Securing the borders comes first.

By YouSuck

May 24, 2007 8:11 AM | Link to this

Spc. Daniel Seitz, 22, from Pensacola, Fla., said he was trying to stay strong and push ahead with the search.

“It just angers me that it’s just another friend I’ve got to lose and deal with, because I’ve already lost 13 friends since I’ve been here and I don’t know if I can take any more of this,” he said.

Just for you Dusty. You misguided bi*ch. Stick another yellow ribbon up your kazoo.

By Goldie

May 24, 2007 8:12 AM | Link to this

Definitely Group B — the Nitpickers are ones undermining the U.S. and they always scream at the highest pitch…

By Goldie

May 24, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this

If you were born a Mexican and couldn’t find work in Mexico to support your family, what would you do?

By IN THE NEWS

May 24, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

Minutemen meltdown. The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps (MCDC), a nativist anti-imigration group “whose ‘civilian border watch’ operations generated widespread media coverage and a flood of donations, appears to be imploding

By LuckoDull

May 24, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this

{{{By Goldie May 24, 2007 8:14 AM If you were born a Mexican and couldn’t find work in Mexico to support your family, what would you do?}}}

Make Mexico a better, more productive place to live, like the American people did with their country?

earn - verb- To acquire or deserve as a result of effort or action.

Duh.

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By DebbieDoRight

May 24, 2007 8:27 AM | Link to this

[[I will read today’s post and links carefully as I try to make up my mind. Hopefully, you ladies and gentlemen will provide some food for thought……not just political fodder.]]

I’m with you Ms.G; I’m really trying to find a good center on this amazing controversy. I think the FIRST thing we need to do is secure our borders. PERIOD. THEN we can sit down and talk about realistic immigration reform.

However, it seems to me that the US’s policy on immigration changes with who we hate/love at the time. I’m thinking of hte 100’s of thousands of Cuban refugees who came here on the Mariel boatlift of the 80s and the US just let them in, (and are STILL letting them in; with very few immigrationi hassles), few questions asked, jsut because we had a policy of slapping Castro in the face.

But, then we, US policy makers, turn around and say that the “Mexican” illegal immigration is the problem!! To me that’s like talking out the side of your neck!

How many Indians (India), living in America joined the US military? How many Cubans, Haitians, Iranians, Somalians, etc.? I read a magazine article that stated that 8% of Mexicans living in the US, whether they came legally or ILLEGALLY, (by serving they can be granted full US citizenship), have joined the military.

How can we basically turn away one of our best resources for manpower for not only the US economy but also the US military?

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

In addition to the non-amnesty amnesty provisions which are a farce, and the fact that a huge bureaucracy will have to be created to handle tens of millions of Z Visa applications, it will bankrupt this country.

The Senate’s embattled immigration bill would raise government spending by as much as $126 billion over the next decade, as the government begins paying out federal benefits to millions of new legal workers and cracks down on the border, a new Congressional Budget Office analysis concludes.//Law enforcement measures alone would necessitate the hiring of nearly 31,000 federal workers in the next five years, while the building and maintenance of 870 miles of fencing and vehicle barriers would cost $3.3 billion. Newly legalized immigrants would claim nearly $50 billion in federal benefits such as the earned income and child tax credits, Medicaid, and Social Security.

Three billion to secure our borders is nothing and is well spent, but I guarantee you that the number for social services is more realistically in the trillions of dollars.

Social Security is already a Ponzi scheme that is going bankrupt. This immigration bill is an unmitigated disaster.

Goldie,

How about the Mexicans demanding that their own government change their corrupt policies and bring prosperity to their own country?

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this

I forgot to mention that this is absolute baloney:

In the long run, tax revenue generated by new workers would ease the baby-boom generation’s burden on Social Security and offset virtually all the additional spending, said James Horney, a senior fellow at the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

They will take out WAY more in benefits then they will ever put in.

I’ll dig up the Heritage Foundation’s Report later this afternoon…

Outta here!

By fred

May 24, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this

Don’t waste your time Buy Danish. The Heritage Foundation is the most radical right wing think tank in Washington. But if you insist on trying to spin the issue with your neo-nazi propoganda when you are finished take the report to your outhouse and use it there. That’s about all it is good for. DAMN I CAN”T WAIT FOR 08!! RUN AL RUN!!

By LuckoDull

May 24, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

{{{By DebbieDoRight May 24, 2007 8:27 AM How can we basically turn away one of our best resources for manpower for not only the US economy but also the US military?}}}

I’ll let Ann answer this one:

{{{Not to worry, Marie Antoinettes! According to “Alien Nation” author Peter Brimelow, “There is recent evidence that, even after four generations, fewer than 10% of Mexicans have post-high school degrees, as opposed to nearly half of non-Mexican-Americans.” So you’ll always have the maid. As New York mayor Michael Bloomberg said, our golf fairways would suffer without illegal immigrants: “You and I both play golf; who takes care of the greens and the fairways on your golf course?” We fought a civil war to force Democrats to give up on slavery 150 years ago. They’ve become so desperate for servants that now they’re importing an underclass to wash their clothes and pick their vegetables. This vast class of unskilled immigrants is the left’s new form of slavery. What do they care if their servants are made citizens eligible to vote and collect government benefits?}}}

It’s the new plantation, same old slave drivers, geez.

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By Paul

May 24, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

Goldie 8:14

G’morning. Been listening to o’Reilly? That’s a question he regularly uses, and he follows it up with “and I’d keep coming back across the border every time I got sent back.”

Mrs Godzilla 8:05

Good luck. This strikes me as another of those “theory vs reality” issues. RW said the other day he supports the bill (glad I was sitting down when I read it). Morris writes that opposing the bill will alienate Hispanic voters, who lean Republican, and will end up marginalizing the Republican Party. I see this as a classic political issue - half a loaf better than no loaf - the classic game theory thing - if everyone accepts less than optimum, everyone comes out ahead. If people don’t go along if they don’t get everything they want, everyone loses.

By Paul

May 24, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this

A classic tactical illustration so early in the morning.

Buy Danish (8:32) replies to Mrs Godzilla’s observations, with opinions based upon data in a report and she sources it.

Fred at 8:46 responds with a counterargument consisting of - ridiculing the source (not addressing the data), makes fun of the poster, doesn’t offer any counter arguments, data, or analysis of BD’s post, then concludes with a campaign chant.

Mrs Godzilla, your hope for a reasoned debate is quite optimistic -

By @@

May 24, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this

I can speak from both perspectives on this one ml.

When I lived in California during my youth, I was a gringo “fruitpicker”. Now I’m a “nitpicker”.

When this issue became political I was concerned with the way the illegal immigrants took to the streets “demanding”, as lawbreakers, what they saw as their rights here in America. In America, if you break the law you are begging to be prosecuted.

It doesn’t appear as though they’ll be getting what they demanded now does it?

It’s interesting to see how the representatives of the hispanic community are addressing this bill. Some are outraged at the demands being placed on them by this bill, and some are pleased.

The government failed to enforce existing immigration laws that have been on the books for 30+ years. That’s how we got to where we are today. I seriously doubt they’ll be doing any better on enforcement under this new law.

It looks like this is one that will be done “to us”, not “for us”.

By Bosch

May 24, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

Securing our borders is the first order of business. All this other garbage is just that, garbage.

I agree with Goldie—if you were living in Mexico and could have a better life instead of living in a s**, what would you do? Of course you’d try to come over.

BUT, I agree also with LuckoDull—Make Mexico a better, more productive place to live, like the American people did with their country?

earn - verb- To acquire or deserve as a result of effort or action.

I think our government needs to pressure the Mexican government to clean up their country, politically, economically, educationally (is that a word?), and let them bear some of the social burden themselves.

I also do believe that our country has benefitted by the cheap labor provided by these illegal immigrants, but our government has got to get a grip on this! This current bill is garbage all the way around.

I know I sound like I’m talking out of two sides our my mouth, but this is a really tough issue that needs to be dealt with — European countries have very strict immigration laws and I think we need to follow their lead.

First and foremost, we need to secure the borders.

By DebbieDoRight

May 24, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

[[We fought a civil war to force Democrats to give up on slavery 150 years ago. They’ve become so desperate for servants that now they’re importing an underclass to wash their clothes and pick their vegetables. This vast class of unskilled immigrants is the left’s new form of slavery.]]

I was going to ignore you but I just couldn’t let that one go. In 1860The Democratic Party split into two factions: The Southern Democrats, who supported the federal protection of slavery in the western territories; and The Northern Democrats, who wanted all questions of slavery left up to the U.S. Supreme Court. READ your history books BEFORE you read Ann Coulter, you may learn something.

PS: Here’s a brief list of famous republicans who used to be Democrats, (but changed to Republican when Kennedy and Johnson took office and wished to make ALL citizens equal):

RONALD REAGAN Strom Thurmond Elizabeth Doyle Bob Doyle

By candide

May 24, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

Some think it odd that “a nation of immigrants” is so hostile to immigrants. Not so, those already here, whether recently or since the 17th century, know how lucky they and their ancestors were/are. Keeping others out is a way of protecting what they have.

But we need to breed more to keep our population up. We need taxpayers and social-security tax payers — and if we don’t breed them ourselves we will turn into a yellow/brown nation.

By DebbieDoRight

May 24, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

[[I think our government needs to pressure the Mexican government to clean up their country, politically, economically, educationally (is that a word?), and let them bear some of the social burden themselves.]]

How do you think we can realistically do that? Because of some American businessess who exploit cheap Mexican labor, IN MEXICO, and NAFTA, I think we’re caught by the “balls” on this one. It’s like the pot calling the kettle black — we allow some of our businesses to go to Mexico, set up businesses while working with a corrupt Mexican government, exploit their workers; and use their economy for their own gain. How can we realistically take the “high” road on this one?

By DebbieDoRight

May 24, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

[[We need taxpayers and social-security tax payers — and if we don’t breed them ourselves we will turn into a yellow/brown nation.]]

Since I’m already yello/brown I don’t have a problem with that.

By Midori

May 24, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

I don’t believe it: I actually agree with Andy and Buy Danish.

The Mexican government is responsible for their economy and lack thereof.

There is an enormous divide between rich and poor.

Seems its solution to handling the poor problem is to encourage them to sneak across the border into this country if they want to earn a somewhat decent wage — and that is just plain wrong.

By DebbieDoRight

May 24, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

Bus more Europeans!!! (Preferably from Sweden and Demark…..and maybe a few Germans, but only the “visually” Slavic ones)

By fred

May 24, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

By Paul

May 24, 2007 9:00 AM

Fred at 8:46 responds with a counterargument consisting of - ridiculing the source (not addressing the data), makes fun of the poster, doesn’t offer any counter arguments, data, or analysis of BD’s post, then concludes with a campaign chant.

Paul you clueless sap. If someone here counters your Heritage Foundation/Ann Coulter/Rushshi%/Hannabe garbage with something from the Southern Poverty Law Center et al, I have seen you neonazis on the lunatic fringe poo poo it (as well as your undies in discomfiture) time after time. Deal with it dumbas% Paul.

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

Wow. Talk about somewhat of a consensus.

I find myself agreeing with Goldie (as usual) in that people shoudln’t throw stones at illegal Mexican immigrants because of the fact that they are looking for a better opportunity. Especially since the richest country in the world is right next door.

Also, Buy Danish and LuckoDork have a point in saying that the Mexican government needs to be held accountable for their policies that breed corruption. Regulations, especially those in the banking industry, make getting business loans nearly impossible and shuts out foreign competition. Also, most lending institutions and big business is controlled by a very small and elite portion of the population. Often times, the terms of loans have high interest rates and require borrowers to forfeit a significant share of their business to the lending institutions.

DDR,

I get tired of the same disingenuous historical references by some of those on the Right. Clearly, the Democrat party of the 19th and early 20th century is different from the one today. Same in regards to the GOP. Also, you are absolutely correct in referencing the exodus of “dixiecrats” and staunch conservatives around the time of the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

By getalife

May 24, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

Now why in the world would we need to secure our border?

Bombing and genocide in Iraq?

Building permanant military bases in the ME which gave us 9/11?

OBL planning his next attack?

National security?

Nah, this bill will fast track the North American Union for open border advocates.

You see, money for the corporations is priorty over national security and everything else.

By Goldie

May 24, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

I guess we natural-born citizens of the U.S., who were here before the 21st century began, can call ourselves members of the “lucky sperm club” (thanks Arianna!) and just work extra hard to keep everyone else out… no matter how hungry they may be, they can just “get in line” and wait the 10 to 12 years it takes to get their paperwork processed. Oh, and if any American employers keep trying to hire illegal immigrants to work in the fields, picking lettuce and such, we will just have to prosecute those employers as the criminals they really are…

And, that pretty much sums up the Nitpickers’ argument???

By Bosch

May 24, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

Debbie, The problem is that the market is completely different now…it’s global, there aren’t anymore borders where business is concerned.

But the problem still remains that Mexico is completely responsible for the social structure of it’s own country. Their government (and ours) is totally corrupt and as far as businesses are concerned, the only thing that matters is the bottom line profit.

Our country is heading in the same path as Mexico in the divide between rich and poor.

By getalife

May 24, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

We can moan, cry, protest, write letters, donate to the corrupt politicians but in the end, corporate money wins over we the people.

You can see this in today’s vote on dems caving on Iraq.

You will see this immigration bill passed and we will have to accept this reality.

I think KO said it all in this vdeo

By LuckoDull

May 24, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this

{{{By DebbieDoRight May 24, 2007 9:05 AM I was going to ignore you but I just couldn’t let that one go. In 1860The Democratic Party split into two factions: The Southern Democrats, who supported the federal protection of slavery in the western territories}}}

What does this have to do with YOU importing house slaves in 2007?

Geez.

Try to focus.

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{{{By Goldie May 24, 2007 9:21 AM I guess we natural-born citizens of the U.S., who were here before the 21st century began, can call ourselves members of the “lucky sperm club” (thanks Arianna!) and just work extra hard to keep everyone else out}}}

I’m sure if the only dues you ever paid in your life to live in America were to sit on your fat as-s and bitc-h about everything, then you would probably have silly thoughts like those^^.

The rest of us know that it takes work, commitment and dedication to success to make this country great like it is.

You and Arianna don’t have a clue.

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By Mrs. Godzilla

May 24, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

Great job so far Ladies and Gentlemen!

I see everybody thinks the place to start is to secure our borders.

I have to agree there. Changing our immigration laws won’t mean diddly if massive numbers of people can just keep coming.

We have a starting point….Now how do we do it?

By Bosch

May 24, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, For starters, bring our troops home from Iraq and let them help out with border security, airport security, law enforcement, etc. etc.

By Bosch

May 24, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

Get a life, Yes, I was pretty disturbed this morning when I heard about the democrats voting on this bill. They caved because Bush threatened to veto anything that has time tables connected to it.

See, that’s the issue, the Democrats don’t have as much power as they think they do because Bush can still veto anything they throw at him and they don’t have the majority to over ride it.

It’s a very sad thing.

BTW, I’m sorry for bashing Italians last night, I was mad.

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

I love Itally. Had a great time when I was there. Beautiful scenery, beautiful women, great food, overall good people…

…but their damn soccer team can go to hell. A bunch of diving primadonnas playing a stingy form of football? No thanks.

By Goldie

May 24, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

Securing our borders against criminals and terrorists is necessary and something should have been done long ago. If we had our National Guard still here in America, doing the jobs they’re supposed to be doing instead of being sent to Iraq, we’d have plenty of border security capabilities.

But we won’t halt the immigrants from trying to cross our borders if we don’t stop the employers from offering them employment to begin with. If there’s no jobs here to be had, then the incentive to cross illegally would go away.

So, we need to prosecute those American employers who continue to hire the illegal immigrants, yes? Or we need to allow some immigrants to come here in order to work the fields, etc., and that means guest workers… which will it be?

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

I meant ITALY…

By Goldie

May 24, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

{{I’m sure if the only dues you ever paid in your life to live in America were to sit on your fat as-s and bitc-h about everything}}

Certainly seems that Licko-dull has looked at himself in the mirror this morning!!

By Goldie

May 24, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

{{If you want a maid, if you want a yard boy, then pay some legal born American kid a decent wage, instead of importing some slave and having the tax payers foot the bill.}}

I’m sure you’ll all agree that Miffed Romney is a criminal for hiring illegal immigrants to do his yardwork?

By IN THE NEWS

May 24, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

The Republicans have proven their point that yes, Congress can definitely trim the approval, review and standards process within the FDA. Fine. The problem now is can the public live with the end result

By DebbieDoRight

May 24, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

TFTT/Dull: [[What does this have to do with YOU importing house slaves in 2007?]]

WHAT are you sniffing this morning? Please, Please, PLEASE stop cooking the meth, open a window, and get some clean fresh air in there.

REMEMBER: This is your brain on drugs 234893849&&^^%%$## Just say NO!

By IN THE NEWS

May 24, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Sure, we won’t be able to stop the next September 11 from killing perhaps tens of thousands of people because we don’t have enough linguists to translate the terrorist chatter, but at least they stopped the gay linguists

By Bosch

May 24, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Steve-o, Totally agree. I love Italy as well, but their soccer teams are all crooked and definitely primadonnas wussie boys (but, hey they did win the WC and now the European championship, dammit, I hate that). It’s always been fun to hate the Italian footbal team.

Goldie, I heard on NPR this morning an interview with a farmer in California who said that there aren’t enough workers to help pick the fields because many of the workers are now going over into other industries like construction. And this guy said something that made me think, Hmmm, he said, “would you rather import workers or import your food.” As we have seen from China lately, we definitely don’t want to import our food.

Get a life said it just previously, all that matters is the corporate greed and the money that goes into their pockets. Until that issue is addressed, this will not get any better.

And, secure our borders, bring our troops home!

By DebbieDoRight

May 24, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Bosch: I agree. But like you said the problem is that the American middle class is steadily shrinking into nothing. Also a lot of the upper class have taken to hiding their money in offshore accounts so that they won’t be taxed on it — so AGAIN, i agree, America is fast becoming another 3rd world country, (you said Mexico; but I’ll just spice that up a bit [smile]). We have big debts to other countries, China for one, and are steadily incurring MORE debt as the months go by; by paying for two “wars” or excursions and letting the upper class slide with enormous tax cuts.

Steve-o: LD and people like him NEVER met a history book that Ann Coulter et al., couldn’t rewrite.

getalife: “We can moan, cry, protest, write letters, donate to the corrupt politicians but in the end, corporate money wins over we the people”

BEST QUOTE. It makes me sad; but I can’t help but see the truth in it.

By Paul

May 24, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

fred 9:17

Well, you’re consistent in your responses, I’ll give you that.

By Bosch

May 24, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Debbie, And don’t forget like I said yesterday, after Vietnam, our country was completely deploid of money. I see a very disturbing trend on the horizon, and I hate to sound like Chicken Little here, but with this trend of the shrinking middle class, business practices like they are, and paying for this war, I hate to say it, but the sky is falling.

I read in the AJC this morning about a guy in Cobb who had basically conned his way into millions and had his offices set up in the Caribbean. I may have read some of that wrong, but basically, yes, you can set up shop in the Caribbean and pay nothing to the government here. It’s crazy.

By Paul

May 24, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla 9:39

I was under the impression a “fence” for the southern border had already been authorized, with funds appropriated:

Link: Secure Fence Act 2006

altho I seem to recall the funds appropriation wasn’t nearly enough.

I’m not much for the “this first, then this” approach. It strikes me as a delaying tactic. Pres Bush has authority to deploy Guard/Reserve units, as do governors.

Of course, everyone does realize, that if “threat of terrorists getting in” is a serious concern the next phase will have to be a northern tier fence.

By Bosch

May 24, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

Our government is OWNED by corporate America, not the people.

When you elect a failed businessman into the office of the president, what do you expect? Based on his resume before he was governor of Texas, I wouldn’t have hired George W. Bush to clean my gutters!

By LuckoDull

May 24, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

{{{By Goldie May 24, 2007 10:01 AM I’m sure you’ll all agree that Miffed Romney is a criminal for hiring illegal immigrants to do his yardwork?}}}

What does this have to do with YOU wanting to import a house slave?

No matter who does it, it is wrong.

Geez.

{{{By Bosch May 24, 2007 10:06 AM And this guy said something that made me think, Hmmm, he said, “would you rather import workers or import your food.” As we have seen from China lately, we definitely don’t want to import our food.}}}

The funniest thing about this issue and it really does show what a dumba-ss nation that we’ve become:

Everybody thinks that immigrant labor is great because it’s cheap.

But, I guess because we are idiots, we can’t see the cost in taxes, lost revenues being sent to other countries instead of being spent here, pollution (yards that used to be mowed with push mowers are now scalloped with tractors and monster blowers,) lost productivity from traffic and people that have no understanding whatsoever of the rules of our roads, lost emergency care, increased health care, overcrowded schools that spend all their time with the immigrants while our kids flounder unattended, it goes on and on.

But hey, Goldie don’t have to wash her clothes, isn’t that wonderful?

She can lounge on the sofa, watching Arianna, becoming more and more stupid and more and more fat, while the slaves tend to her day to day activities for her.

Geez.

Pay more money to Americans, let them pick the fruits and vegetables.

Modern day slave owners.

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By Bosch

May 24, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

Paul, Exactly, that’s why the “fence” idea is ludicrous (?sp). It’s stupid. We can’t build a damn fence around the entire country.

By getalife

May 24, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Well, I thought things might change when the dems won in 06.

I was wrong.

Of course, the same dems gave us NAFTA and free trade so it is to be expected.

When they spew about national security it is bs. They will leave our borders open for free trade.

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

You’re right. The sky is falling. What this administration has failed to see is that this world, which is globalizing rapidly, is vastly different than the world during the Cold War era. It’s a shame because his daddy understood it, thus coining the term New World Order.

Americans are letting themselves get duped with “tax cut” rhetoric and “Fair Tax” propaganda without asking how we are going to reinvest for our nations future in order for us to compete in the global economy. There isn’t any talk about reinvesting in education (i.e. college tuitions continue to rise), making health care more accessible, protecting the environment, and promoting multilateral cooperation between nations and continents.

People seem content to remain ignorant and pass down their costs to their children. The WWII generation defeated fascism, expanded infrastructure, set the groundwork for economic growth, established international organizations, and helped to establish a solid middle class here. It seems like this country’s leaders, ESPECIALLY THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION, are but mere shells of men compared to their predecessors.

By Goldie

May 24, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

{{We can’t build a damn fence around the entire country.}}

How many Repugs are demanding that we build a fence along the Canadian border? After all, that’s where we’ve actually CAUGHT Islamic terrorists trying to get into America… where’s the outrage over our un-secured border with Canada?

By DebbieDoRight

May 24, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Bosch: Not Chicken Little, but perhaps the canary who goes through the mine. We have big debts, a shrinking middleclass, no accountability at the helm, ridiculous immigration laws, a shrinking military (lots of soldiers who are now on their THIRD tour of Iraq are vowing not to re-enlist again AND it’s hard now for the recruiters to even FIND someone one “Gump” enough to ENLIST), etc.; with no end in sight.

One poster made the point of the governors right to use the National Guard to secure borders, that’s true; but the NG as well as the Reserve and regular Armed service members, are voluntary soldiers/sailors who are increasingly growing more and more weary of war/conflict. WHO is going to replace them when their time is up? Should we now think about reinstituting the draft?

By Bosch

May 24, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

LuckoDull, You are absolutely right. Not about Goldie, but what you said earlier.

I wrote on a blog earlier something about this, the immigrant work force has created two sub classes of people, one, the “shadowy” class of the immigrants themselves, but also a false class of people who have benefitted from their labor, i.e. can afford bigger houses (McMansions), they have more money in their pockets, but it isn’t “real.” It has created more of a divide between the “real” social classes of our country and in the process has also divided us politically. Am I making sense? I don’t think I am, but I hope you see what I mean. I haven’t totally thought this through, but I’m working on it.

Yes, we are a nation of complete d*******.

By SarahConnah

May 24, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

If securing the borders against evil-doers, losers and corruption, let’s include Texas.

No greater threat to the democracy ever existed larger than president Bobblehead.

Curtsie!

By Paul

May 24, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

Bosch 10:26

As I understand it, the “fence” would be a combination of physical barriers in some sections, electronic surveillance in others. I’ve traveled that area on several occasions - sections of it have even been abandoned by the scorpions.

LuckoDull 10:26

Sunkist has large operations in southwest Arizona. Some time back there was a cry to “give the citrus jobs to Americans.” Short story - unemployed bussed in from Phoeniz, other areas. Midweek, most had left, end of week, nearly all. The program was quietly shelved. (Orange trees are nasty - brittle branches and long thorns that’ll spear you). Oh, and Yuma gets hot enough to fry eggs on sidewalks.

Just one small example - but shows that we have illegals doing many jobs as there is a demand for someone to do the work. When the “pay more” argument comes up, I know of another situation in northern San Diego County where after an illegals crackdown, grove owners raised the pay dramatically, advertised in classifieds, went to job agencies, state agencies (pre welfare reform), even schools.

The fruit rotted on the ground.

So we can give stories all day long, the bottom line is they’re here, many levels of society benefit, time to move on.

By Bosch

May 24, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

Steve-o, Right on. I don’t think Dubya has much more than the mental capacity of a garden slug. Of course those issues won’t be addressed because the current administration(or politicians in general)care nothing about the “little guys.”

Like I said, our government is owned by corporate America - we have turned into the fascist state that our fathers and grandfathers fought hard against. We are all blinded by money and the “what’s in it for me” attitude.

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

SarahConnah,

But we’d have to do the whole Berlin Airlift thang for Austin!

By Bosch

May 24, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Paul, And don’t forget, everytime you take your kids through the drive through at McDonalds to pick up those chicken nuggets on the way to or back from soccer practice, thank an illegal immigrant for processing that chicken, just to make your life a little easier.

By LuckoDull

May 24, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

{{{By Bosch May 24, 2007 10:36 AM I wrote on a blog earlier something about this, the immigrant work force has created two sub classes of people, one, the “shadowy” class of the immigrants themselves, but also a false class of people who have benefitted from their labor, i.e. can afford bigger houses (McMansions), they have more money in their pockets, but it isn’t “real.”}}}

I understand what you are saying completely. It’s a greed issue. Making wealth on the hard work of others.

Check this out, the immigrants who have been here a while are becoming more skilled and are demanding higher pay. So when the next guy crosses the border and offers his services for half of what the long timer is getting, now we have an unemployed person with a low skill level who is basically living off of the government, so we are paying more for this then if we had just given the natural born American an extra buck or two.

It’s insane.

Unless you’re Goldi, lying on the couch, bitc-hing at all of us commoners while the slaves do her chores.

Then it’s good.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By DebbieDoRight

May 24, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

SarahConah: I’ll Be Back.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Paul @ 8:51,

I think you took my words a little too far. I said I didn’t think it was a bad compromise in theory. That’s a far cry from saying I support a bill that hadn’t even been published at the time. I still believe that there will have to be a compromise bill similar to what’s been published, but as I said at the time I gave the bill what you call my support I said that the enforcement benchmarks needed to be tightened considerably. I have no faith in our government to enforce that side of the compromise so it will likely be an unmitigated disaster albeit one that it probably unavoidable.

DDR,

You do yourself a disservice by trying to claim that LuckoDull is TFTT. TFTT is the true embodiment of a racist, a word that gets thrown around here by people like steve-0 as a jab at somebody you disagree with. LuckoDull may be firm in his opinions, but has never shown a trace of racism.

By LuckoDull

May 24, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

{{{By Paul May 24, 2007 10:42 AM So we can give stories all day long, the bottom line is they’re here, many levels of society benefit, time to move on.}}}

Paul: I wish it were that simple.

On top of what you pay to have the immigrant do the “nasty” job you also have to pay all the taxes and other services related to him being here.

On top of that, what do you think those unemployed Americans cost, getting bussed around to jobs they won’t do?

We are ALREADY paying top dollar, you just don’t see it.

Mining is a horrible occupation but men get on that elevator everyday because it pays good.

They would pick oranges too.

If we paid them.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Bosch

May 24, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Yes, exactly LuckoDull, it’s a greed issue.

That story I heard on NPR this morning talked about why the farming industry is hurting for workers because they are all going into other (more specialized) industries.

We have all become a bunch of lazy, fat, spoiled d******* who care only for themselves. We want a lot of money, we want big houses, we want big cars, we want electronic gadgets, we want it all, but the cost of all that is killing us in the meantime.

And everyone around the world is just laughing and laughing. Wars don’t bring down empires, it usually implodes from within.

By Bosch

May 24, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

RW, I think you are right. Why should we believe that our government will enforce this law? They haven’t been enforcing the old one? Until we start holding the politicians accountable for things that really matter to us, it won’t change.

By Jesus

May 24, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By @@

May 24, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

After all the discussion here I still haven’t figured out why the existing laws weren’t enforced.

It’s a waste not want not government we’ve got.

Politicians will harvest the crops they’ve cultivated at the polls. For politicians it’ll be like “picking fruit” from the low-hanging branches.

During my time as a fruitpicker, it was California’s apricots. Today I call them “the fuzzy fruit”.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

This is one of those issues where we’ll find some very strange bedfellows in the details, kind of like the Dubai Ports World deal where I found myself on the same side as Jimmy Carter. (That was a very scary feeling, but Jimmah was right on that one IMHO)

For all the people that want a physical fence around our borders North or South, have you considered the impact on wildlife?

By Paul

May 24, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original) 10:59

Thanks for the clarification, didn’t mean to put words in your mouth.

If not this bill, then what? Nothing will get done for years. So the question to me is, is the current situation, with the projections for growth in the illigals situation, better than the results the bill would provide? I’ll have to side with accept the bill and refine elements of it later.

I’ll be out until much later - cheers

By rushncap

May 24, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

Just for my good friend, and stalker, RW. Don’t you just hate it when people don’t consult you, RW, and do things as they see fit? Isn’t it just plain wrong that those Kosovars did not get your memo that Clinton is evil and so was his military help in the Balkans? Don’t they realize that there wasn’t enough of a genocide there to allow Clinton to do something good? The idiots!

By @@

May 24, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

Well that’s something I hadn’t considered RW. Fences will inhibit wildlife migration.

Unless, of course, they fly into the country.

(ISH)

By Bosch

May 24, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

RW, Yes, exactly, kind of like Midori agreeing with LuckoDull and Buy Danish.

This is an issue of real national pride. It makes me sick to hear those complain about those Hispanics while getting fat as hell eating their chicken fingers and Pop Tarts.

You know, where I live, there is a soccer league that the Hispanic population started up. On Sundays, they play at the local soccer field, and they are really awesome to watch. They have their families there, their wives, children, pets. It’s a really scene. The wives are talking and cheering on their husbands, their kids are all playing together. AND you can watch some damn good soccer games!

We need to quit blaming the “illegals” and start looking at ourselves in the mirror.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Rudy has the best immigration reform package I’ve seen so far. This particular bill may have most of his plan in it, but you’ve got to be pretty leary of a bill that our politicians want to ram through before they even let us see it.

I don’t trust Washington to do anything we don’t get to vet first. I think any major reform package should have to stand on it’s own without any addon pork or unrelated law and then after a full House and Senate debate it could not be voted on until the lawmakers had come back to their district for open town hall meetings.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

rushncap,

I know you don’t like to let the facts get in the way of your hopelessly misguided opinions, but I have stated every single time the issue came up that I SUPPORTED Clinton in his escapades in the Balkans despite the fact that he lied to us about the level of genocide.

It’s all in the archives, clown err…friend.

Note to the blog: When someone hunts you down to give you off topic fodder and calls YOU a stalker that would be another example of projection.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

@@,

It’s not just migration. When you cut off the Rio Grande you’ll kill off entire populations of wildlife that need to get to that water. As much as the ACLU would go crazy and it’s not something I’ve ever been fond of either it may be time for a tamper proof National ID card.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

My neighborhood is nearly entirely Hispanic. There are some great folks and we have all the pretty scenes you describe, but we also have streets that only one car can get down at a time because each house has 6 to 10 vehicles parked there. We have vandalism and gang graffiti on a nightly basis and the property values are plummeting while the property taxes are skyrocketing.

You can’t just paint your pretty soccer field picture and hide the overall reality if you want to truly address a problem.

By getalife

May 24, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Wow, finally an issue the wingnuts do not tow the party line w.

Make no mistake, this is insourcing for cheap labor.

Your blind enabling for Corporate greed is long over due to wake the f up.

You will be amazed of all the things they will sneak into this bill for Corporations.

We, the people are of no consequence.

By TwoMenAndaTruck

May 24, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

Bosch,

My neighborhood is nearly entirely Hispanic. There are some great folks and we have all the pretty scenes you describe, but we also have streets that only one car can get down at a time because each house has 6 to 10 vehicles parked there. We have vandalism and gang graffiti on a nightly basis and the property values are plummeting while the property taxes are skyrocketing.

You can’t just paint your pretty soccer field picture and hide the overall reality if you want to truly address a problem.

Then move MORON. Or can’t the great RW afford to move. Maybe if you had shown half of the gumption, worked half as hard as they do instead of sitting on your lazy duff complaining about those that did, you would have the economic firepower to get out of this situation you are crying about. Poor pitiful RW. WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

By Daniel

May 24, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

RW: Surely you recall the last great immigration reform package? I do not see how governments staunch the migrations of the human race. The first people in the Americas came from Mongolia. Europeans migrated from Asia. I do not think a wall from Corpus Cristi to San Diego is the answer.

By Bosch

May 24, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

RW, Yes, that’s true, I wasn’t trying to paint a pretty picture, I was just trying to demonstrate that the Hispanic population are human beings with much more of a sense of community than many Americans have. You may not like it, but they certainly have it.

But, yes, you are right, with ALL communities come problems. But you’ve got to remember their culture is different than ours, and yes, I agree some amount of assimilation needs to occur, I embrace their diversity, maybe not to the degree of what is going on in your neighborhood, but the same thing can be said for many neighborhoods, not just the Hispanic ones.

By rushncap

May 24, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

“Hunts you down”, Stalk? Dear god, lay off Jack Daniels, homes. Or meth. Whatever the hail you’re on.

And no, you never said you supported Clinton. You’re lying.

Adios, more work to do.

By Native American

May 24, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

As a descendent of Cherokees I would very much appreciate it if you would all go back from where you came.

Thank you in advance.

By Truthman

May 24, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

Why don’t all you crazy wingnuts go up to Dalton and tell the white owners of the mill to stop hiring illegals?

Why don’t all you crazy wingnuts go up to Claxton and tell the white owners of the chicken houses to stop hiring illegals?

Illegals may be the drug, but it’s the rich, white businessmen who are the users!!

Tell your corporate moguls to stop using the drug of illegal aliens to enrich themselves.

Your anger is completely misguided.

P.S. Bush sucks!! Cheney blows!!

By Goldie

May 24, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

{{Make Mexico a better, more productive place to live,}}

{{How about the Mexicans demanding that their own government change their corrupt policies and bring prosperity to their own country?}}

Simple-minded answers from simple minds like Licko-Dull and Donut… they’re certainly the type of parents who, if they were Mexican, would simply spend their time holding their gov’t accountable for years and years, while their families are STARVING IN THE MEANTIME. Some kinda strange family values, hmmm?

By Si Se Pude

May 24, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

By Daniel

May 24, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

RW: Surely you recall the last great immigration reform package? I do not see how governments staunch the migrations of the human race. The first people in the Americas came from Mongolia. Europeans migrated from Asia. I do not think a wall from Corpus Cristi to San Diego is the answer.

Trajically Daniel, it is the answer to those that just flat hate Mexicans. You know, the dumb ones that can’t see the end of their noses intellectually. If we could deport them Daniel we could probably raise the collective IQ of this country by 100 points or so.

By Bosch

May 24, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

Truthman, I like this —

Illegals may be the drug, but it’s the rich, white businessmen who are the users!!

Tell your corporate moguls to stop using the drug of illegal aliens to enrich themselves.

Because that is so true.

But, it’s not a crazy wingnut or moonbat issue, it’s a greed issue, and wingnuts and moonbats all alike are guilty.

By LuckoDull

May 24, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Workplace enforcement.

Check their Id’s and deport them.

If there are no jobs for them, they will not come.

And if they really need the work, they can get in line and follow the legal path to naturalization.

Duh.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Gomer

May 24, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Goldie, if Lucko Dull has a family it is a bed full of little red wigglers. He’s nothing but an asexual worm. And good thing too. I’d shutter to think that there is a mammal out there somewhere that would actually breed with that nightcrawler.

By Jesus

May 24, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!!

By Daniel

May 24, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Bosch: You’ve hit on the dirty little secret of immigration. Corporations make a lot of money when wages are depressed. Workers lose too! Wouldn’t it be helpful if our government worked with other nations on the question; instead of exacerbating our differences for political gain?

By Bosch

May 24, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Goldie, I used to get irritated when I thought about illegals using food stamps, etc., but I really thought about it and no, I can’t say that I mind my tax dollars going to help feed a hungry family. I really do mind seeing my tax dollars going towards funding this stupid war in Iraq.

Do I think it needs to be a permanent solution? No. Do I think our government needs to do something about it? Yes. And soon. Do I think our immigration laws need to be strictly enforced? Yes.

But like Paul wrote earlier, these people are here, there’s nothing we can do about it, many people have gotten fat and rich off their work, and until the corporate pigs stop using their drugs, it isn’t going to change.

Our government is increasingly becoming just like the Mexican government and pretty soon us “little guys” will be migrating somewhere else too.

By getalife

May 24, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Necesitamos mecanografiar en español a para conseguirte listo para tu nuevo empleo futuro y para comunicarnos con los nuevos inmigrantes legales.

By Reasoned Voice

May 24, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

There seems to be a tension between the fact that we have a high labor demand as well as a pool of willing labor across the border and respect for the rule of law. Given that tension why don’t we simply permit legal immigration to levels that satisfy demand? In other words, shorten the process to get in so that there isn’t an incentive for coming illegally. Obviously we don’t have a bunch of out of work illegals. There are jobs for them to do. But the rate of legal immigration is outpaced by the labor market. Balance it out and we don’t have a problem.

By Darth Vader

May 24, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Will somebody please kiss getalife’s a$$ for knowing how to speak spanish so he’ll stop printing that way.

By @@

May 24, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla @ 8:05:

It was a nice thought, but from where has the “foul wind” blown?

It would appear that it moved in from the left, transported by TwoMenAndaTruck.

See ‘ya.

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Es un gran pena que muchos estadounidenses no estan capaz de hablar otros idiomas. Hay que hacer mas inversiones en educacion de nuestros jovenes para preperarlos a vivir en un mundo mas globalizado.

By United States of Mexico

May 24, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

You can bet your sweet a** that tacos will soon replace those stars on the United States flag.

It really kills me that everyone whines about the current state of affairs related to illegal immigration but have any of you picked up the phone or wrote to your Congressman or Senator?

Pres. Overgrown Bush early this afternoon said: “This bill does not grant amnesty,” Bush said. “Amnesty is forgiveness without a penalty. Instead, this bill requires workers here illegally to acknowledge that they broke the law, pay a fine, pass background checks, remain employed and maintain a clean record.”

I almost fell out of my chair and spilled my enchiladas on the floor. Good luck making all that work. As long as businesses keep paying the illegals under the table for their work, they are going to stay in the shadows and continue mooching off the economy.

Want some insight as to the amount of crime attributed to Hispanics? Go to the Gwinnett County Sheriff’s Dept. website and check out the Docket Book. More than 1/2 of the people arrested are Hispanic. Out of all of them I do not know if they are illegal or not, but you still get a piece of the big picture.

If you people really think that this immigration bill is going to indeed bring the illegals out of the shadows, then I have some oceanfront property in Arizona for you. I’ll throw a nice bridge in the deal for free as well.

By DebbieDoRight

May 24, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

[[why don’t we simply permit legal immigration to levels that satisfy demand? In other words, shorten the process to get in so that there isn’t an incentive for coming illegally. Obviously we don’t have a bunch of out of work illegals. There are jobs for them to do. But the rate of legal immigration is outpaced by the labor market. Balance it out and we don’t have a problem.]]

That’s a good idea; however we, on the blog, keep forgetting that it’s not only the MEXICAN populace who are illegal.

Dateline did a story on Credit Card Fraud and found out that thousands of Nigerian Nationals sneak into this country even AFTER they’ve been deported. How? By using a different name and applying for another “student” visa! Now being the smart group that we are, we know that the Al Quadea (sp) is/has done the same thing in the past, arriving on Student Visas and simply “disappearing” within our quagmire of a immigration system.

We need to strengthen our borders, yes; but I don’t want out country to look like another Berlin before the wall fell in the 80’s!! There’s got to be a more comprehensive way to staunch the flow of illegals of ALL nationalities and soon. We can’t wait for another 9/11 and we can’t just keep blindly pointing towards the Mexican populace and using them as scapegoats for a failed policy.

PS: The 9/11 hijackers were being financed through Bin Laden. They had no jobs and weren’t looking for work.

By Darth Vader

May 24, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

Daniel is gay.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

I specificaaly pointed out a huge problem with building a wall. How did you read that to mean I wanted a wall.

Bosch,

I thought you and I were going to be able to get a good discussion of this complicated issue going, but it appears the juveniles like steve-0 and his multitude of aliases on this blog aren’t about to let it happen. Too bad!

rushncap,

I’m willing to put it up for a vote on whether I’ve said I supported Clinton’s war in the Balkans. Maybe “scientists” that hide behind the brick walls at State U don’t have to have any recall of conversations, but in the real world we do.

What makes it easy for me to remember these things is that I don’t change my positions based on which way the wind is blowing or what political party is proposing something. Try getting your head out of your nether regions and you’ll be able to do the same.

By Red Skull

May 24, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

RaisinBran,

That’s LickaDick.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

or even specifically

/geez

By Daniel

May 24, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

RW: I do not think the post implied you did! It was simply a statement. Frankly, I don’t have an answer to the immigration question. Some of what Bush says on the topic makes sense to me. I did not intend to imply you did.

By RaisinBran

May 24, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Red Skull @ 12:59pm - Noted. Thanks for the clarify.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

{{{{{RW: I do not think a wall from Corpus Cristi to San Diego is the answer.}}}}}—by Daniel

Nope, no implication there.

Sheesh

By Darth Vader

May 24, 2007 1:07 PM | Link to this

RW,

In other words, you kicked Daniel’s punk a$$. Liberals suck at engaging in critical analysis and only know how to go by how they “feel” about something. Daniel and ingrates like him have no answer for anything, they just say things to “feel” important.

By getalife

May 24, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

Darth Vader,

Debes aprender hablar español. Es esencial comunicar el woth los nuevos inmigrantes legales. ¡Va la cogida tú mismo!

By Midori

May 24, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

Who else on this blog always brags about “kicking someone’s ‘punk’ a$$”, etc.

By James Carville

May 24, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

Immigration is one of the few things that GW has got right.

By getalife

May 24, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

Darth Vader,

Parar el golpear en mí. Amo a señoras. ¡Va la cogida tú mismo!

Geez.

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

Darth Vader,

When does DragonCon come to town? I bet you and your gamer friends are excited!

rushncap,

Now I know why you call RW “Stalk”. I haven’t said anything to or about him today and he has already cited me twice.

Keep trying to goad me, RW.

By Daniel

May 24, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

gal: I’m sure the 1:14 post from Vader persuaded you. Republican party power of logic never fails.

By getalife

May 24, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

Daniel ,

Its Andy.

In case have any doubt the dems are the gop:

“Democrats were forced to soften the bill so that he could get it passed by requiring a president to first declare an energy emergency before the anti-gouging law could be enforced.”

Legalized gas gouging.

Geez.

By Darth Vader

May 24, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I can speak “black” jacka$$! This is for you and Stephanie-O:

I sa gonna knock yo teef out if you don’t be stop talkin spanish. Bush is good white folks and ya’ll be trippin’ on him. He don’t be messin’ Irak up. Ya’ll gon get ya’ll butt kicked cause da demacrats is a gonna give ya’ll a great big ole tax increase. Yep, sho is.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

steve-0 aka Twomenandatruck aka DawgBiscuit and on and on and on

I would have to list about twenty names to keep up with your delusions.

rusncap,

Here’s a starting point in your hopes to discredit me

It’s really sad that our educational system has dropped to a level that a someone like you can be given a diploma.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

Darth Vader is one of yours.

Own it!

By Stealth blogger

May 24, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

steve-o there is a tried and true tactic when dealing with a group of trolls like RW, BD, Lucko Dull, Dusty, et al. They complain about it all the time steve-o because when this tactic is utilized they can’t zero in like they are paid to do. In fact it puts them on the defensive because they have no specific target to aim at anymore. Here’s a hint. It is much more difficult to hit a moving target. Think about it steve-o. And when you figure it out, employ it. Then just blog away and watch them go absolutely nuts or just go away period.

By Daniel

May 24, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

gal: Correcto! Me falta. Que cabrones los ladrones republicanos! Diosayudanos! Me voy a mis ejercicios. Adios.

By Mrs. Godzilla

May 24, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

Well now, I’ve seen some pretty interesting stuff so far.

All but one wanted to secure the borders first. He stated that he didn’t like “this first, then this” approach as it seemed like a delaying tactic.Can we really do it all at the same time and do any of it well?

There was talk about the fence being, a combination of physical barriers in some sections, electronic surveillance in others. That makes sense.

Some feel we should bring our National Guard home to work the border. Most of you know that I would like to see that happen also.

The question arises of a fence at our Northern Border. Seems some of the 9/11 hijackers came that way. Should that be the priority?

Also talk of the National ID. I don’t have a problem with that - as long as it is biometric.

Both sides of the political spectrum talked about “corporate greed and the money that goes into their pockets” as well as wanting to protect low wage earning Americans. How do we police corporate hiring?

We also saw comments regarding the state of Mexico and its economy. Can we/Should we help them improve their economy? Can we compassionately consider some of the illegals as refugees - trying to feed their families?

Another recurring theme was enforcement. What makes us think we’ll be any better at enforcing new laws than we were for the old?

For the most part, the exchanges were reasonable and rational, I truly do appreciate that.

Have I reached a conclusion? No.

This issue is huge. It’s been left untended far too long and now its like cleaning out my basement!

Thank you for all of your input so far.

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

RW (Stalk),

I am steve-o and only steve-o on this blog. I want you to know it’s me when I sling a barb at you.

Darth Vader,

What do you usually dress as when you go to DragonCon? Other than Darth Vader of course.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this

I’m so f^cking stupid and lonely that I just made myself a target to Darth Vader. None of my b!tches are hear today so I’ll have to blog against other peole on my own.

By Darth Vader

May 24, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

Steve-O,

I also dress as slaveowner Tom Moore, the plantation owner that raped Kizzy on “Roots”.

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

{{{By getalife

May 24, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

Darth Vader,

Parar el golpear en mí.}}}

getalife,

A more accurate translation is:

“No me ligues”

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

whatever stevie, I’ll let you play your childish little game without exposing you again.

I do have a question though. How can someone stalk someone else on a public blog when they address them straight up?

It seems to me that you and rushncap are just a little too insecure in your abilities and ideals so you have to make believe someone is stalking you so you won’t have to face up to the fact that you’re just ignorant. The good news is that ignorance can be fixed so hang in there.

By getalife

May 24, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

Adiós Daniel. Tener un grande resolverse.

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

Stalk,

Expose me? LMFAO!!!

When did you expose me?

You clearly referenced me in two of your posts before I even said anything to you. I dunno…it sounds like you’re obsessed with me. Needless to say, you really creep me out.

BTW, you’ve already had a couple of hissy fits today. That can’t be too good for your middle-aged heart.

By Lord Help Us

May 24, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

Unbelievable.

I truly doubt our President knows or cares about the insanity that allows him to say, We are there at the invitation of the Iraqi government. This is a sovereign nation. Twelve million people went to the polls to approve a constitution. It’s their government’s choice. If they were to say, leave, we would leave.

While…at the same time…castigating AMERICANS that dare to suggest ending this war and bringing our troops home because of the ‘devastating chaos that would result and the danger to America that would result from surrendering to al Qaeda.’

In other words, if the Congress (on behalf of the American people) want to end this war and bring our troops home the answer is ‘they are surrendering to al Qaeda,’ ‘they are on the terrorists side,’ etc. ad nauseam…

BUT, if the Iraqi people (thru their elected officials) vote to end the war and bring our troops home, then the answer is…’SURE, No Problem… ‘thanks for having us over!’

Unbelieveable deceit and incompetence.

The ignorant stooges that shill for this Administration won’t stop for one second to consider the absolute absence of logic…

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

stevie-0,

Would you please point to even one “hissy fit?”

Thank you in advance.

By the way, You’ve proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are not here to discuss issues.

By Darth Vader

May 24, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

“Swing Low. Sweet Chariot. Comin’ for to carry me home!”

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

May 24, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

-=-

Hey Steve ol’ Buddy -

Don’t rag on DragonCon with this troll - Many of us enjoy that show.

I have gone to dinner with Darth Vader - err Dave Prowse on several occasions and he is one of the nicest bad guys you could ever get to know.

(Personally I liked Dave better in “A Clockwork Orange”)

This Troll “Darth Vader” however can suck wind as far as I’m concerned - as the Klingons say “He’s a waste of good skin”….

Cheers!~ Thomas/PNAC

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

Stalk,

You are really being ridiculous right now. Really, tell me what I did to you today? I minded my own business and you made two negative comments about me.

I responded likewise and then you get your panties in a bunch and engage me in this absolutely pointless conversation, leveling baseless accusations towards me.

You really have an obsession with me. I don’t know if I should be flattered or scared. But whatever floats your boat.

Also, look at all of your posts today. Yeah, you may say something that contributes to the conversation. But you really can’t resist being a complete and total a*******hole and end up hurling abuse and insults towards anyone with a different political view than yours. Notice that I have civil discussions with Paul, who usually don’t agree with a lot of times. But with you, you throw a little hidden barb or insult here and there and try to provoke a fight.

What’s with you, man? Seriously, is this what I have to look forward to when I reach your age in the next couple of decades?

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

Point taken.

Cheers!

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry I questioned your age and intelligence RW. I know you and everyone else here has superior intelligence to mine. I’m just a dumb, black, gay man who needs attention on this blog.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

{{{{{{By steve-0-WHAAAAHHHHH}}}}}

Geez!

steve-0,

Since you keep bringing up your youth and inexperience I’ll give you a little free advice.

What you have to look forward to is entirely up to you. The sooner you learn that and stop blaming others for you being a failure will be the first step toward being a success like me.

0000000000000000000000000000000000

Here’s a musical interlude that I know our resident “scientist” will appreciate

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

Looks like we have an equal opportunity nicjacker around here today.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

May 24, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

-=-

as I said RW - Troll -

May he rot ~!~ after all he already smells that way!~

-=-

By Cesar Chavez

May 24, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

By Paul

May 24, 2007 10:42 AM Sunkist has large operations in southwest Arizona. Some time back there was a cry to “give the citrus jobs to Americans.” Short story - unemployed bussed in from Phoeniz, other areas. Midweek, most had left, end of week, nearly all. The program was quietly shelved. (Orange trees are nasty - brittle branches and long thorns that’ll spear you). Oh, and Yuma gets hot enough to fry eggs on sidewalks.

Just one small example - but shows that we have illegals doing many jobs as there is a demand for someone to do the work. When the “pay more” argument comes up, I know of another situation in northern San Diego County where after an illegals crackdown, grove owners raised the pay dramatically, advertised in classifieds, went to job agencies, state agencies (pre welfare reform), even schools.

The fruit rotted on the ground.

So we can give stories all day long, the bottom line is they’re here, many levels of society benefit, time to move on.

This needs to be posted about every 15 minutes or so to remind the antis just how ignorant their position is.

By RW

May 24, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry I questioned your age and intelligence RW. I know you and everyone else here has superior intelligence to mine. I’m just a dumb, black, gay man who needs attention on this blog.

You’re all that? RCH, get a rope. I got the tree.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

May 24, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

RW,

Maybe you and I can get together and make flippy flop. I have the right sized d!ldo this time and I promise to use lubricant. I hope you’re not still made at me for not using it last time. I just wanted to see how crusty you really were. I love that.

By Et tu, Nancy

May 24, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

Mexico is responsible for the welfare of Mexican citizens, just as the U.S. government is supposed to look out for U.S. interests. Whether we are richer than Mexico is immaterial. They are NOT our responsibility. If their business laws are better for American companies than for Mexican citizens, then those citizens need to demand that the laws be changed. If NAFTA is bad for Mexico, that’s the fault of their trade representatives…NOT the American people.

My family has been active in the labor movement for decades. They walked the picket lines, stood up against hired strike breakers, suffered economic hardship when owners decided to hire scabs instead of meeting worker demands. They made sacrifices so that we, their children, might have a better life than they. Now we have a 40-hour work week, labor relations boards, vacation and sick days, safe workplaces , and on and on. Our economy is strong and, arguably, powers the economies of the rest of the world.

The American standard of living didn’t just happen. It took a lot of work and a lot of sacrifice by a whole lot of determined people. For anyone, be it the neediest of the needy or the most arrogant of CEO, to say that we OWE something to the illegal aliens that spit on our sovereignty, ignore our laws, and DEMAND benefits that they aren’t entitled to…well…that just chaps my arse. And, I’ll admit, it p** me off.

By Chaos

May 24, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

steve-o,

You should have enough of ropes and trees.

By rushncap

May 24, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry, RW, I don’t “vote” on facts, any more than I’m willing to put up to a vote such things as “2+2=4” or “Iraq War was a mistake” or “clear sky is usually blue” or “Earth is round”. You blasted Clinton for going into Kosovo. That’s a fact, you can round up your possies to “vote” against that all you want.

P.S. Any guesses as to when Iraqis start erecting statues of GeeDub? I think hell would not only have to freeze over but Satan would have to beat God at arm-wrestling before that transpires.

By Taco Lover

May 24, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Vive La France!

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

I just gave you a link to a thread where I supported the Kosovo effort just as I always have on this issue. It doesn’t change the FACT that he lied about the mass graves or the FACT that you’re lying right now.

Here’s a google search of just the AJC for your viewing pleasure

You will find by looking at it that, as always, I am right.

Are you sure you’re not in some special study group at State U and not really a student at all?

By Apocalypse

May 24, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

Where the hell is this idiot Darth Vader? He must have crawled back under his rock.

By rushncap

May 24, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

You are linking to a Google search, RW? How pathetic is that? You never said you supported Clinton’s choice to go to Kosovo. Your nonsequitur links notwithstanding.

I really do hope that one day your IQ will catch up to your shoe size.

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

{{{By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

{{{{{{By steve-0-WHAAAAHHHHH}}}}}

Geez!

steve-0,

Since you keep bringing up your youth and inexperience I’ll give you a little free advice.

What you have to look forward to is entirely up to you. The sooner you learn that and stop blaming others for you being a failure will be the first step toward being a success like me.

0000000000000000000000000000000000

Here’s a musical interlude that I know our resident “scientist” will appreciate}}}

Stalk,

I can’t have a normal conversation with you. You have really shown your level of maturity. Congrats.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

Kerist rushncap, it’s a link that takes you to EVERY AJC THREAD where I talked about Kosovo. It seems like it should make it pretty freaking easy for you to prove your point if you didn’t already know you are LYING.

By Buy Snails

May 24, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

Hey Siezer, if we required a College Education in order to pick fruit in south Georgia then maybe, just maybe more white Americans would be interested. How about an MOPP program? (Masters of Peach Pickin’.)

What are we supposed to do with our degrees??????????????? You can’t eat them.

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

I wish it would rushncap. I’m sick and tired of trying to find another part of him when I need it. And I keep losing my tweezers.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

steve-0,

I fully understand that you aren’t capable of having an intelligent conversation. It’s nice that you finally figured it out.

By Buy Snails

May 24, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

Hey Taco Lover, are you trying to PICK a fight? Why don’t you go pick a pepper.

Remember. Until the immigrant situation is solved. BOYCOTT TACOS.

By GOD

May 24, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original) is always right. Heed his words and teachings as I have ordered it.

By rushncap

May 24, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

No, RW, you are lying. I have no time or desire to go through every post just to prove to everyone that you’re lying. Sorry, some of us have jobs and lives. This is, however, right up your alley, since you have neither. Feel free to find a single post where you praised Clinton for going into Kosovo. I won’t hold my breath…

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

{{{By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

steve-0,

I fully understand that you aren’t capable of having an intelligent conversation. It’s nice that you finally figured it out.}}}

Stalk,

My God…you really need to grow up. You are WAY too old to be acting like a child.

By Jesus

May 24, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!!

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

{{{{{By RW-(the original) August 23, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this getalife, I always supported the mission in Kosovo and I defy you to find anything that says otherwise. If it’s on record all over the place it should be pretty easy for you to find, shouldn’t it?}}}}

See, rushncap, you guys have been trying out this lie for a year now and still haven’t been able to back it.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

steve-0

Go back and read the blog. Everything was civil and a good discussion was going on until you showed up as TwoMenAndaTruck to go straight to your typical race baiting.

You’ll find that I never attack unprovoked. Now quit mimicking everything I say in your every post. Are you trying to emulate Pee Wee Herman?

By TwoMenAndaTruck

May 24, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

I am.

By rushncap

May 24, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

Back WHAT up, stalker? That you never said something? How do we back this up, by posting every single thing you’ve ever written? You claim you supported Clinton’s intervention in Kosovo. Fine, show us the post. Or slink away like the coward that you are.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

Lookie here rushncap!

{{{{{{By RW-(the original) October 19, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this It probably won’t surprise you that I think NAFTA was one of the few things Clinton got right. Kosovo was another even though he actually lied us into a war in a country that posed no threat to us.}}}}}}}

Gosh, do you think maybe my position has been consistent and you’re full of crap? It certainly seems like it.

By TwoMenAndy'sTruck

May 24, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Meet me at the I75 rest stop. After blog hours only. No Mexicans/Blacks.

Andy

By Dubya

May 24, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Another brilliant press conference by Gates today. With our new “techniques” and the surge, we are actually winning (again) in Iraq.(Unless you’re dragged out of the Euphrates River.) Winning! Also the Drunk spoke in the rose garden about immigration, educating us again. Note that he’s talking his alcoholic hillbilly head off this week again about “9/11.” Any of you Republiscum out there care to tell us how proud you are, including reasons of course? Being an American is more humiliating each day, huh? But, God bless Bushie and Murcuh anyway! I see where beloved Jerry Falwell is departed. well now, at least THAT’S a good start.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

You have a masterful sense of unbelievably bad timing.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

By getalife

May 24, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Like this blog was open during the good ole days of Clinton to check RW’s bs.

Please.

My goodmess, the left is mad about the dems caving and the right is mad about immigration.

We are one angry nation but we will have to accept what this one party and the king hands us.

In other words, the American people have been sold out. “Let them eat cake”.

There is no stopping w now. He has been emboldened by the spineless dems and can do whatever he wants. Iran, look out. Gas prices, look out. American workers, look out.

Amazing times.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Just for good measure:

{{{{{{{By RW-(the original) February 13, 2007 05:20 PM | Link to this LHU-child, Now I don’t really fit that conservative mold because I was supportive of Clinton’s wars of choice and on balance feel like we did more good than harm even though he lied us into them.}}}}}}

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

Stalk,

I already told you…I want you to know that it’s ME when I throw a barb or criticism at you.

Now go back and look and see who was the first one to start throwing stones today. You know the truth and like always, you’ll dance around the truth.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

getalife,

rushncap made the claim that I HAD blasted Clinton over the Balkan wars which would mean it has to be written somewhere. Well, unless he was lying of course. Don’t you find it funny that he is walking it back like a Louisiana mudbug?

rushncap,

Now show me the post where I blasted Clinton over the wars in the Balkans or slink away like the coward that you are.

Geez

By GOD

May 24, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

Jesus: Right you are, Son!

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

steve-0,

The first person to do that was TwoMenAndaTruck who must have a vulcan mind meld with you if it wasn’t you. I’m sorry your tender sensibilities can’t stand a little ribbing. Are you sure you’re not female?

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

{{{By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Paul @ 8:51,

I think you took my words a little too far. I said I didn’t think it was a bad compromise in theory. That’s a far cry from saying I support a bill that hadn’t even been published at the time. I still believe that there will have to be a compromise bill similar to what’s been published, but as I said at the time I gave the bill what you call my support I said that the enforcement benchmarks needed to be tightened considerably. I have no faith in our government to enforce that side of the compromise so it will likely be an unmitigated disaster albeit one that it probably unavoidable.

DDR,

You do yourself a disservice by trying to claim that LuckoDull is TFTT. TFTT is the true embodiment of a racist, a word that gets thrown around here by people like steve-0 as a jab at somebody you disagree with. LuckoDull may be firm in his opinions, but has never shown a trace of racism.}}}

{{{By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

I specificaaly pointed out a huge problem with building a wall. How did you read that to mean I wanted a wall.

Bosch,

I thought you and I were going to be able to get a good discussion of this complicated issue going, but it appears the juveniles like steve-0 and his multitude of aliases on this blog aren’t about to let it happen. Too bad!}}}

Stalk,

I didn’t say one thing to you or about you before you started tearing into me. It’s fine. I can take it. But I want you to see your hypocrisy.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

Let me rephrase that.

steve-0,

Are you sure aren’t a liberal female?

By Blog Addiction Center

May 24, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

RW, R-E-L-A-X

Take a few deep breaths……

Now step away from the computer…..

thats it…….

Everything is going to be just fine….

Another breath RW…..

Thats better

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Stalk,

Nice little cop-out at 3:42. You weren’t “ribbing”, you were seriously throwing some false accusations at me.

There’s not enough time in the day for b.s. like this. Just let it go.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

Tearing into you, steve-0?????

So you’re a drama queen too! Who’d a thunk it?

Loser

By Goldie

May 24, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

{{Whether we are richer than Mexico is immaterial. They are NOT our responsibility.}}

Licko-Dull, so when are you planning to move to Arizona and start picking all those crops that will be rotting in the fields? Or do you prefer the hotel housekeeping duties, such as cleaning the toilets and changing the dirty bedsheets? Be sure and take your Neo-con troll friends with you when you go — hasta la vista!

By Bosch

May 24, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

Sorry had to step out a bit, but it looks as though the conversation of immigration reform shifted a bit.

I believe with my last post, my bleeding heart liberalism was starting to show through a bit.

However, if you bleed too much, you die, right?

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

Ah…more goading by Stalk at 3:45.

Stalk,

Are you sure you’re not Ann Coulter on the rag?

By Blog Addiction Center

May 24, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

OK, you can come back RW.

Next time remember what we talked about at the group session last week. “You are someone very important.” “People think you are just swell.”

{{{{{{{BIG GROUP HUG}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Your Sponsor, Stuart

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

{{{By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

Tearing into you, steve-0?????

So you’re a drama queen too! Who’d a thunk it?

Loser}}}

Ah, yet some more sophisticated prose written by a 51-year-old man.

By Remus

May 24, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

RW honkey boy. Nothin you say, past or present has any meaning. You a fool. Speak only when spoken to lest I smite you. Worthless white trash.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

Does anybody remember who the poster was that used to use that Ann Coulter on the rag line?

Bosch,

Once the race baiters showed up there was no chance the immigration debate was going to move forward. The funny thing is “they” all come and go at the same time.

By Cindy

May 24, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

RW, BD, Dusty, @@ etal. might think you’re cute slamming women; but I think you are despicable. First blacks and now women. You are a real sorry hating person. Not surprising you are such a staunch neocon.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

steve-0,

You’re certainly obsessed with what you think my age is. Are you sure you know the definition of stalker?

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

Cindykins,

I’ve never blasted blacks or women. Check out steve-0’s comment about Ann Coulter and see if it isn’t a common idea that women have a tendency to be more emotional than men.

By the way, what’s a neocon?

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

{{{By TwoMenAndaTruck May 24, 2007 11:49 AM

RW,

…Then move MORON….}}}

MotherTrucker,

I realize this was directed at RW, but I am compelled to respond.

Your suggestion that we just allow people to come in, ruin our neighborhoods by turning them into suburban slums, take a huge loss on the property we live in, and then as icing on the cake, pay to move, is atrocious.

Maybe we should just donate our houses to squatters while we’re at it. They’re people too and they need a place to live, right?

By Ray

May 24, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

Silly libs - my company thanks you for the war funding :)

By Correction

May 24, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

[[Once the race baiters showed up there was no chance the immigration debate was going to move forward.]]

Actually once the mass debators show up (RW, @@, Andy and Buy Danish) is when the debate usually gets ugly around here.

By Darth Vader II

May 24, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

RW. You’re late. C’mon in and have a COOKIE. Meet you in the hot tub.

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

{{{By Cindy

May 24, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

RW, BD, Dusty, @@ etal. might think you’re cute slamming women; but I think you are despicable. First blacks and now women. Blah blah blah}}}

Cindy,

WTF are you talking about? I am sick and tired of people like you making false claims about me.

You’re the first person to whine about “racism” and all sort of broad based claims of some imaginary insult, yet you turn around and throw out accusations that are based on absolutely nothing.

That makes you worse than the idiot we already know you are - it puts you in the heinous category of a certain stripper from North Carolina. At least she has a history of serious mental health issues. What’s your excuse?

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

Correction,

You may not know this but if you scroll up, older words will appear on your computer screen and you can see exactly where the conversation breaks down.

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

RW,

Have I said anything about race today?

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Stalk,

One more thing…insulting Ann Coulter is not an insult to women.

Even more so, it would be quite remarkable if that she-man known as Ann Coulter was able to menstruate at all.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

steve-0

The hit dog barks you know, but the best I can tell TwoMenAndaTruck and Si Se Pude did which brought the debate to an end. Why do you ask?

By Ann Coulter

May 24, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Un-friggen-believable

By IN THE NEWS

May 24, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

{{{Of course, this poll was taken before today, so who knows what they’ll think after the capitulation.

Rasmussen. 5/21-22. Likely voters. MoE 4% (no trend lines)

Issue Dem GOP Advantage National Security 46 43 +3 Taxes 47 42 +5 Abortion 45 38 +7 Economy 48 40 +8 Ethics & Corruption 43 32 +11 Iraq 49 37 +12 Immigration 47 33 +14 Education 50 35 +15 Soc Security 50 34 +16 Health Care 57 30 +27

I trust Democrats have better ideas on these issues. I don’t trust them to do anything about it. Not until we continue the long-term project of clearing out the dead weight}}}}

I HATE TO ADMIT IT, BUT I VERY STRONGLY AGREE WITH THE LAST LINE

By IN THE NEWS

May 24, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

SORRY,

IT LAID OUT ALL NICE AND NEAT IN THE COMMENTS BOX>

By Daniel

May 24, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

I trust the Democrats. I, likely, will not vote for a republican, ever. The destruction of our nation of the last six years is going to take a very long time to repair. The Democrats will have to do it. The party of greed and incompetence needs a rest.

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

Stalk,

Those two guys didn’t really say anything that hasn’t been said on here already. It was the same banter that you see on here daily.

It’s your extreme sensitivity and your incapacity to hold a civil discussion that brought this board down.

I thought you and I were going to be able to get a good discussion of this complicated issue going, but it appears the juveniles like steve-0 and his multitude of aliases on this blog aren’t about to let it happen. Too bad!}}}

By Goldie

May 24, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

Dem slogan for ‘08:

ITIS — “It’s The Incompetence, Stupid!”

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Won’t they be talking about themselves? You do know you have control don’t you?

steve-0,

Why don’t you write to Lea and see if you can get me banned then? Did you see me lashing back at “those” posters that, of course weren’t you, no way no how, to bring the debate down? Be honest for a change when you answer that last one.

By Ditzty

May 24, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

During this break in the action maybe you would all like to join me.

Lets all say the Pledge of Our Legions!

By Cindy

May 24, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

The separations didn’t work out as I was addressing RW; but BD, you proved my point. RW makes lowering remarks about women and you attack me. Very funny.

By LuckoDull

May 24, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

{{{By RaisinBran May 24, 2007 12:54 PM Hey LickoDick regarding your 12:09pm - You want to crawl out of your can of red wigglers and volunteer to check ID’s and help deport the illegals?}}}

What’s up with the “wigglers” man?

You got some kind of serious issue or what?

Why wouldn’t we hire some nice young naturalized American, pay him a good wage, turn him into a cold blooded killer with a few weeks of training and then stick him on the border to shoot at whatever moves.

Wanna bet border traffic slows to a crawl?

Besides they’re already shooting at us, we can call it self defense.

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{{{By Goldie May 24, 2007 3:48 PM {{Whether we are richer than Mexico is immaterial. They are NOT our responsibility.}} Licko-Dull, so when are you planning to move to Arizona and start picking all those crops that will be rotting in the fields? Or do you prefer the hotel housekeeping duties, such as cleaning the toilets and changing the dirty bedsheets? Be sure and take your Neo-con troll friends with you when you go — hasta la vista!}}}

Goldilocks: Is it often that you all of a sudden decide to wig out, pulling somebody else’s post and ranting at me about it?

Geez.

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By Mrs. Godzilla

May 24, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

I didn’t get a whole lot of anything useful from this debate the latter half of the day…..

Goldie,

I prefer this slogan:

Why wait till 08? Impeachment Indictment Incarceration

y’all have a good evening

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Cindy,

What “lowering remarks” about women did I make?

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

Got some catching up to do -

{{{By Goldie

May 24, 2007 12:01 PM |

Simple-minded answers from simple minds like Licko-Dull and Donut… they’re certainly the type of parents who, if they were Mexican, would simply spend their time holding their gov’t accountable for years and years, while their families are STARVING IN THE MEANTIME. Some kinda strange family values, hmmm?}}}}

GoldieDhimmie,

You mean like the children who have been forced to go to failing schools for decades, creating and endless cycle of poverty, because Libs are bought and paid for by the teachers unions and wouldn’t do anything to demand accountability, b*tch and moan about NCLB, and still won’t allow voucher programs to proceed?

{{{By United States of Mexico

May 24, 2007 12:35 PM |

It really kills me that everyone whines about the current state of affairs related to illegal immigration but have any of you picked up the phone or wrote to your Congressman or Senator?

US of La Raza,

Yes, as a matter of fact I have!

{{{By DebbieDoRight

May 24, 2007 12:46 PM |

We need to strengthen our borders, yes; but I don’t want out country to look like another Berlin before the wall fell in the 80’s!! T}}}

DDR,

The difference is that we are trying to keep people out, while the Soviet Union wouldn’t let people leave.

btw, I disagree with RW on this, and think we do need a wall. I also think we need a biometric I.D., and a guest worker program based on supply and demand..

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

{{{By Cindy

May 24, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

The separations didn’t work out as I was addressing RW; but BD, you proved my point. RW makes lowering remarks about women and you attack me. Very funny!}}}}

Cindy,

The only remarks I see are “lowing” ones and they are from you. Baaaaaah!

“The separations didn’t work out”? What does that mean, pray tell?

How did I prove your point?

Isn’t it steve-o who made a disparaging remark about Ann Coulter, or is it only Moonbat women that you defend the honor of?

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

RW,

I’ve reread the latest posts in search of misogynistic comments, but the best I can come up with is that Cindy thinks that calling steve-o a “Drama Queen” is a “lowering remark” that disparages women.

By Midori

May 24, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

Even the birds know Chimpy is full of it

By @@

May 24, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

The liberal men!?! here can’t possibly believe that we’re interested in observing their pre-pubescent behavior. Why don’t you boys try to grow up while you wait to grow hair.

(((Besides the obvious uptick in gasoline demand (first in the spring when farmers hit planting season and then for pleasure driving and vacations as days become longer and sunnier), one culprit for a spike in U.S. prices at the pump is smog — or rather, how our federal and local governments react to it.)))

(((In winter, the standard gasoline is one of about three blends. In the summer, to reduce smog, a crisscross of federal and local government standards mandate special blends.)))

(((This variety of requirements results in the inefficient production of boutique blends. Summer additives also tend to be more expensive than winter blend components.)))

(((Thus, as the switch is made from winter to summer blends, prices go up. Then, as the summer driving season begins, demand surges and prices stay high.)))

(((This summer’s bad news is that experts expect the hurricane season to be worse than average. Then again, in 2006 these same experts predicted a repeat of 2005 and, instead, El Nino caused a very mild storm season. A direct hit on refining infrastructure still recuperating from Katrina in 2005 is not very likely. However, the possibility remains and makes those who trade on risks jittery — which brings us to the price of crude.)))

I didn’t know that blends were a summer ritual. How many states actually require them?

By THE MANAGEMENT

May 24, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Steve O, Darth Vader please e-mail ldonosky@ajc.com

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

Stalk,

Why would I “tell on you”? What reason?

The difference between you and me is that this is just for fun, for you it’s a lifestyle. I don’t take it too seriously.

You on the other hand cannot take it when someone has a different perspective so you immediately hurl abuse and insults. It kind of ruins the discussion when you can’t debate like a mature adult.

Try having a discussion next time and see if you can actually make a comment without throwing somebody else under the bus. My bet is that you are incapable of doing it. But then again, I’ve been wrong before.

By LuckoDull

May 24, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

Al Qaeda, hiding among innocent civilians:

{{{Saniora said in a TV address Thursday that Fatah Islam was “a terrorist organization” and blamed the group for “attempting to ride on the suffering and the struggle of the Palestinian people.” “We will work to root out and strike at terrorism, but we will embrace and protect our brothers in the camps,” Saniora said, insisting Lebanon has no quarrel with the 400,000 Palestinian refugees who live in the country.}}}

What Cowards.

No wonder the sniveling punk as-s liberals cheer for them.

Two peas in a freaking pod.

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By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

steve-0,

Learn to read please. Thank you!

By @@

May 24, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

More interesting developments, unlike steve-o, et al’s delayed development.

(((Ahmadinejad faces significant opposition to his foreign policy positions from across the Iranian political system, including from Khamenei; the Expediency Council led by the regime’s no. 2, Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani; parliament; and even the country’s elite military unit, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.)))

(((Iranian national security chief Ali Larijani has tendered his resignation on five separate occasions in recent months due to frustration over what he considers irresponsible statements and actions by Ahmadinejad.)))

(((The Iranians are not attempting to hide these moves against Ahmadinejad. In fact, by leaking the details of efforts to undercut Ahmadinejad to the press, the Iranian establishment is sending a message to Washington that it is serious about pursuing a deal on Iraq and is cleaning house.)))

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

Hypocrisy thy name is steve-o.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

There’s no telling what Cindykins might be seeing on her computer screen. I’ve got a feeling it isn’t the same thing the rest of us see.

By getalife

May 24, 2007 5:42 PM | Link to this

Here ya go @@

It is Condi stopping war with Iran at the moment but cheney will get his way.

Yahoo, WWIII.

“Bring it on”.

Geez.

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

HAHA! So I’m getting ganged up on by the Tender Trio. A true honor indeed.

RW,

Let’s drop this and remain adversaries.

Buy Danish,

You epitomize the colloquialism of “the pot calling the kettle black.”

@@,

You got jokes too! How sweet! By the way, what rock have you crawled out from under? Ahmadinejad’s popularity has been in the toilet in Iran for quite some time now. Kind of like our child-king here in the US. It goes to show that you can only control people with fear and rhetoric for only so long.

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

Here’s that link to the Heritage Foundation’s analysis of the disastrous Immigration “Reform” bill. It is very informative and defines all the terminology (like “extended family chain migrations”) and issues that are essential parts of this debate:

A snippet -

Although illegal immigration is considered a major problem, the proposed legal immigration under CIRA would dwarf it numerically. The net inflow of illegal immigrants into the U.S. population is around 700,000 per year. Legal immigration under CIRA would exceed five million per year, seven times the rate of the current illegal immigration flow. Annual legal and illegal immigration together now equals about 1.7 million; future legal immigration alone under CIRA would be three times this amount.

{{{Within 20 years, some 103 million new immigrants would enter the U.S. This number is about one-third of the current U.S. population.}}}

If anyone wants to dispute these numbers on their merits, please do, but failing to do that while saying that the Heritage Foundation is nothing but an ultra right wing Nazi think tank wins zero debate points.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this

errr steve-0,

Did you see any olive branch in my post? I’ve got to get one of these moonbat(ic)® computers that display whatever you want it to say. stevie we can remain adversaries, but you’re going to have to improve your skillz. It wouldn’t hurt for you to stop whining like a school girl<———sorry Cindykins…. school child too.

By @@

May 24, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

I’ve been following Ahmadinejad’s downfall from day one. I don’t believe I’ve ever heard you address it here. I guess your priorities lie somewhere in your groin area. Simply put steve-o…you’re boring.

(((Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki called on parliament May 24 to approve six Cabinet nominees to fill the portfolios vacated in April by members of radical Shiite leader Muqtada al-Sadr’s movement. Al-Maliki also thanked al-Sadr for giving him the “authority to choose the ministers.”)))

(((In fact, a new government could emerge as a result of the power-sharing agreement that will come out of the direct public negotiations between the United States and Iran set to begin May 28.)))

(((The Iraqi prime minister described the six as independent technocrats; he also announced an upcoming Cabinet reshuffle.)))

(((Under the current Cabinet setup, al-Sadr’s bloc has lacked ministries of any consequence. The al-Sadrites are likely to jockey for more powerful portfolios in the future setup. In this regard, once al-Sadr’s militia has been purged of rogue elements.)))

(((By allowing al-Maliki to fill in these positions with technocrats, al-Sadr can uphold his legitimacy among his own Shiite constituency by showing he has not sold out but has stuck to his demands for a U.S. withdrawal before the al-Sadrites participate in the government.)))

(((Ultimately, the Iraqi government that emerges from a U.S. and Iranian accommodation will be the genuine article, as opposed to the cosmetic changes to the current political order, Iraq’s fourth post-Baathist interim government.)))

Getalife:

No way, look at Cheney’s face in your link. The kindness, the compassionate understanding of all things complex. (ISH)

BTW, I don’t know if your finger slipped or what, but your “Oh my goodmess” made me laugh.

By Daniel

May 24, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

Bush lacks the will to oppose Cheney.

By Morris Dees

May 24, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

WOW! The heritage Foundation. Might as well call D.A. King and get his felonious opinion. LMAO!

By @@

May 24, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

Bad news…

on her way to the G-8 Summit, Angela Merkel had this to say:

(((I do not believe a big breakthrough in the reduction of greenhouse gases or global warming is likely to result from the June summit.)))

By getalife

May 24, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

@@,

No, that is my word borrowed from Rummie.

cheney is using the same think tank as the Iraq disaster.

He is a blood thirsty warmonger.

By steve-o

May 24, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

@@,

What was that? You said you were interested in my goin area? I’m flattered, but this isn’t the right type blog for your salacious commentary. @@ After Dark…

RW,

There’s no whining here. I’ve seen enough whining from your end, though. We’ll see the next time who will throw who under the bus first unprovoked.

By Daniel

May 24, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

The New York Times published the latest Bush numbers: 23% support him on the Iraq War; 25% on Foreign Policy; 27% on the economy.

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this

Morris Deedledeedum,

I am forced to conclude that your skills are too poor to actually refute anything specific in the Heritage Foundation report.

By @@

May 24, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

steve-o:

(((You said you were interested in my goin area?)))

WhyTH would I be interested in something that is not only “goin”, but is gone?

By Paul

May 24, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

@@ 5:09

[[I didn’t know that blends were a summer ritual. How many states actually require them?]]

Another term for them is “boutique blends.” Not only do states have differing requirements, within states (Calif, for example) there can be separate requirements within various areas. Cost, production, changeovers - it’s all related. But my gut still tells me futures traders who will bid up the price of crude every time there’s a hiccup in the world scene have an inordinate influence.

There was some talk here a day or two ago about how the US was funding anti-Ahmadinejad groups. Later I say the background - another secret program leaked and publicized by ABC.

Maybe the US gov’t should classify Ahmadinejad as a “covert agent.” That should stop the leaks -

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

stevie,

@@ is right, you’re really, really boring. I don’t think anything I’ve said comes close to throwing you under a bus, but you are the Drama Queen around these parts.

By the way, what did Lea want with you?

Buy Danish,

Morris Dees is steve-0’s “friend” DawgBiscuit.

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

Bush tells it like it is today to a dumba$$ reporter who sounds a lot like one of ML’s moonbats:

In response to a reporter’s question regarding making a choice between fighting al Qaeda and the war in Iraq, the president replied that “we are fighting al Qaeda … in Iraq.”

By Paul

May 24, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

rushncap -

Are you still present?

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

Paul/@@,

I heard a bit of a report today (Rush?) that said that the situation with the refineries (or lack thereof) is so bad that the oil companies are not just importing OIL, they are importing GASOLINE.

This give the moonbats an opportunity for a new bumper sticker:

No war for gasoline!

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

Here it is - it’s in my “Rush in a Hurry” email

{{{Gas prices are a political football again. We import 13% of our gasoline from foreign refineries that don’t have to meet the environmental regulations that many states require. Who’s raising your gas prices? Environmentalists.}}}

What will happen next? I betcha the Dems will try to outlaw the practice of buying gasoline from foreign sources.

It’s to save the planet, dontcha know.

By Paul

May 24, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish 6:34

Even granting for the sake of argument there are no al Qaeda in Iraq, the absolute lack of knowledge, not to mention gross ignorance, illustrated by that reporter is absolutely amazing.

I know it’s getting late in the day, but I’d have thought there would have been mention of the Democratic frontrunner’s (?) (Edwards) remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations:

“”By framing this as a ‘war,’ we have walked straight into the trap that the terrorists have set — that we are engaged in some kind of clash of civilizations and a war against Islam,” said the former senator from North Carolina.”

Without addressing the (in)accuracy (as opposed to differing assessment) reflected by the remarks, I’ll just say the Democrats appear to be replaying history, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, by handing the nomination to a candidate who will likely not reassure the great bulk of voters that he is willing to confront Islamists - let alone convince them Islamists are really just misunderstood.

Especially if the Reps nominate Rudy.

By @@

May 24, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

Paul:

Yeah, we could position Ahmadinejad within our own CIA.

Thanks for the info. I learn something new everyday.

The article on what fuels increased gas prices was from Stratfor. It’s the first time I’ve ever seen them interject humor into one of their articles.

(((Global Market Brief: Fear, War, Smog, Storms and the Price of Summer Vacation)))

(((Every summer, gasoline prices in the United States go up. This is not because oil tycoons get frisky and realize they can squeeze a little bit more from the people driving to the nearest park with bicycles strapped to the tops of their sport utility vehicles.)))

It looks like Stratfor enjoys being frisky in the midst of all these wars and rumors of wars.

Good for them.

By Midori

May 24, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

I have only one comment: people who listen to Rush Limbaugh and gives him any hint of legitimacy are either brain dead, completely incapable of rational thought, or both.

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

As Drudge notes, “warning, graphic” (it’s okay to open the link I provided, but it’s up to you if you want to scroll down further).

“Torture, Al-Qaeda Style Drawings, tools seized from Iraq safe house in U.S. military raid.”

In a recent raid on an al-Qaeda safe house in Iraq, U.S. military officials recovered an assortment of crude drawings depicting torture methods like “blowtorch to the skin” and “eye removal.” Along with the images, which you’ll find on the following pages, soldiers seized various torture implements, like meat cleavers, whips, and wire cutters. Photos of those items can be seen here. The images, which were just declassified by the Department of Defense, also include a picture of a ramshackle Baghdad safe house described as an “al-Qaeda torture chamber.” It was there, during an April 24 raid, that soldiers found a man suspended from the ceiling by a chain. According to the military, he had been abducted from his job and was being beaten daily by his captors. In a raid earlier this week, Coalition Forces freed five Iraqis who were found in a padlocked room in Karmah. The group, which included a boy, were reportedly beaten with chains, cables, and hoses. Photos showing injuries sustained by those captives can be found here. (12 pages)

These are the people N-GA refers to as “brothers”, who he argues we are supposed to give the same rights to that American citizens get - and more so.

For instance, do you know any Christian prisoners who get their Bible’s handled with white gloves?

Considering their obsession with Abu Ghraib, I wonder how much time the New York Times will devote to this.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

Has anybody seen any footage from the Specter trial? Please tell me that isn’t Bruce Willis as the presiding judge.

By RW-(the original)

May 24, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

Who asked you, Parrot?

By @@

May 24, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

I’m gonna have to visit this soldier’s site more often.

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

Paul,

LuckoDull is absolutely correct to call them “cowards”.

I distinctly remember Ted Kennedy (D Mass) wailing way before we invaded Iraq that we musn’t “inflame the passions of Muslims”.

This after 9/11 and decades worth of atrocities.

I had a very liberal friend who used to warn me that if we didn’t dole out welfare we’d have “roving bands of brigands” roaming the streets.

Rudy sure disproved that theory in no short order.

By Paul

May 24, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Midori

While I don’t listen to him and this isn’t a defense of him, simply dismissing the source (Rush is a nutjob, Heritage Foundation is reactionary, ACLU is dangerous, MoveOn’s subversive) rather than addressing the opinion (environmentalists contribute to price increases) or facts (do we or don’t we import 13% of our gasoline?) (let alone fact) doesn’t increase knowledge.

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Typical empty response. Why don’t you refute the facts that he presented? Because you can’t?

I doubt you know bird seed* about Rush anyway. You only parrot what you read about second hand on the Useless Idiot blogs.

*That’s parrotese for “dog squeeze”

By Buy Danish

May 24, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You really should listen to him once in awhile just to get the true picture verus the spin.

He is the very embodiment of “rational thought” and he is also exceedingly entertaining.

Don’t worry, you won’t turn into a “mind numbed robot”. I guarantee it.

Have a great Memorial Day weekend y’ll. Don’t forget to remember our soldiers while you’re firing up the Barbie.