Mike Luckovich

By Goldie

May 22, 2007 8:08 AM | Link to this

Ugh— those 2 are a couple of ugly dog-fight fans! And if Vick is found guilty of supporting dog-fighting, I wonder how much jail time he will do?

By George

May 22, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this

Oh my God! ML that is a perfect likeness of Andy Dull and his wife Betty Dull. How did you know? (You forgot the little Dull ones)

By Mrs. Godzilla

May 22, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this

Off topic I know….

But I just love this quote.

“Friends, the press and the government are in bed together in an embrace so intimate and wrong, they could spoon on a twin mattress and still have room for Ted Koppel. Journalists used to question the reasons for war and expose abuse of power. Now, like toothless babies, they suckle on the sugary teat of misinformation and poop it into the diaper we call the 6:00 News. Demand more of your government. Demand more of your press.”“

Kent Brockman! What a Reporter!

By Lou Dobbs

May 22, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this

You should be ashamed of yourself Goldie. Those two are Minutemen!

By N-GA

May 22, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this

Michael Vick will likely face more problems in Virginia than he would if he were involved in dogfighting in Georgia.

The Mayor of Blue Ridge has been arrested TWICE for being present at illegal cockfights. You may not be able to sit down in a Blue Ridge restaurant and enjoy a glass of wine, but the folks don’t have any qualms about staging events to encourage dumb animals to kill one another while the good citizens place illegal bets on the outcome.

Red State hypocrites!!!

By Buy Danish

May 22, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

That is a pretty disgusting imagery that you find appealing, and the idea that the media is in cahoots with say, the Bush Administration, is ludicrous.

Back to reality - here is what is being “reported”.

Iran is secretly forging ties with al-Qaida elements and Sunni Arab militias in Iraq in preparation for a summer showdown with coalition forces intended to tip a wavering US Congress into voting for full military withdrawal, US officials say….The official said US commanders were bracing for a nationwide, Iranian-orchestrated summer offensive, linking al-Qaida and Sunni insurgents to Tehran’s Shia militia allies, that Iran hoped would trigger a political mutiny in Washington and a US retreat. “We expect that al-Qaida and Iran will both attempt to increase the propaganda and increase the violence prior to Petraeus’s report in September [when the US commander General David Petraeus will report to Congress on President George Bush’s controversial, six-month security “surge” of 30,000 troop reinforcements],” the official said…Tehran’s strategy to discredit the US surge and foment a decisive congressional revolt against Mr Bush is national in scope and not confined to the Shia south, its traditional sphere of influence, the senior official in Baghdad said.

How does it feel to be a Useul Idiot for the Ayatollahs?

By Scooter

May 22, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this

Hmmm, depict the southern country “redneck” as the frequenter of dog fights. Do we really think Vick’s dog fighting catered to southern rednecks, or to “hood rats” and thugs. Typical ml!

By Service Advisory

May 22, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

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By Mrs. Godzilla

May 22, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish

No what is ludicrous is your “Useful Idiot for the Ayatollahs” statement.

I pray for people like you.

By FUNNY

May 22, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

I suspect that the toothbrush was invented by a Bush supporter?

Otherwise it would have been called a teethbrush.

By St. Peter

May 22, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

So Jerry Falwell gets to the gate and I say to him, “Wait right here, SHE wants to have a word with you!”

By Truthsayer

May 22, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

Funny - you’re not.

By Observer

May 22, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this

Vick is a mediocre quaterback with an inflated opinion of himself who is nasty to the fans and who should be an embarassment to himself, the state of Viriginia, the Falcons and Virginia Tech. He speaks fluent ghetto and has shown himself repeatedly to be low-down and high-smellin’! Let’s face it Atlanta, we and our team deserve better, especially at the prices charged for tickets and the salaries paid to players in today’s market!

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

[[Hmmm, depict the southern country “redneck” as the frequenter of dog fights. Do we really think Vick’s dog fighting catered to southern rednecks, or to “hood rats” and thugs. Typical ml!]]

You are one sick twisted individual. Why most EVERYTHING YOU SAY be turned into the poor white male vs. every non white person in america rant? OMG! Grow up!! Is the south so fascinated with race that they can’t move BEYOND it? There are blacks, whites, mexicans, american indians, jamaicans, samoans, chineese, koreans, etc., on the front lines in Afghanistan and Iraq fighting a war that people like YOUR lazy, sorry, wide, out of shape, beer belly a$$ won’t fight but will condone; and they do it because they see it as the obligation to America; yet you would take their sacrifices and filter it out by the most ridiculous of circumstances, GENETICS and MELANIN.

Why don’t you get your lazy a$$ up and do something Scooter, (so named because you’re so big and fat you can’t walk anymore you need a motorized go cart to get around), and get a life!! I’m so SICK of people like you. RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE, that’s ALL you care about or talk about. Grow the fluck up stooopid!!

By Buy Danish

May 22, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

Scooter is absolutely correct - your “Red State” analysis is farcical.

[On May 3, President Bush signed legislation making it a felony to transport animals across state lines for fighting. But in Georgia, attempts to strengthen the state’s anti-dogfighting legislation have failed. Again. State Sen. Chip Rogers (R-Woodstock) and state Rep. Bobby Reese (R-Sugar Hill) introduced separate bills this year aimed at broadening the state’s dogfighting legislation. For Rogers, it was his third year pushing for stronger legislation](http://www.ajc.com/living/content/living/pets/stories/2007/05/18/0520slpetdish.html

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

Me thinks Observer, with the barely over minimum wage job, is a wee bit jealous of anyone who makes more than $6.50 an hour.

By Buy Danish

May 22, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

Save your prayers for the soldiers who are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan whose lives are put at more risk by the policies of Madame Pelosi and Senator Harry Reid, and idiot Rinos like Chuck Hagel.

I know you feel really good about yourself by being “anti-war” but you accomplish absolutely nothing by taking that useless position.

Indeed, on Mothers Day you expressed your admiration for Julia Ward Howe, yet you ignore the fact she understood the need to fight evil on a battlefield, which she expressed so magnificently in “The Battle Hymn of the Republic”.

I’ll put my salvation chits with Mrs. Howe over Mrs. Godzilla any day.

By Observer

May 22, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

Debbie DoWrong - You are the one who brough race into it. And the cartoon was a bit racist on its face because of the assumptions about who goes to dog fights. In today’s world unfortunately, it is low-class reprobates of every hue. The fact is that Luckovich chose to pick on whitetrash because it is more p.c. The fact is that whitetrash were not the ones fighting those dogs or attending the fights, I would bet.

However, you proved yourself to be a real jerk by losing focus on what really matters here - dog fighting and c** fighting and other animal blood sports are WRONG no matter who participates! Focus on that VACA!

By FUNNY

May 22, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

Poll shows high level of pessimism in U.S. Yeah, right. Who believes in polls?

By Naked Emperor

May 22, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

It’s sad to read this site’s yahoo’s whining about Luckovich. News flash: If Mike annoys you, stop looking at his award-winning cartoons…just like I I don’t listen or look at Rush, Hannity or Coulter.

Please continue to tell-it-like-it-is Mike - great cartoon!

By Observer

May 22, 2007 9:20 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoWrong - You really are a twit. I am not a bit jealous and I make substantially more than that anyway. However, you miss the point again - for those prices, people just deserve better all around. He doesn’t produce and he is a jerk. He doesn’t deserve half of what he “makes” in a year. I’m sure you fall into that catagory yourself!

By Buy Danish

May 22, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

{{{I’m so SICK of people like you. RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE, that’s ALL you care about or talk about. Grow the fluck up stooopid!!}}}

DDR,

You mean like Cindy?

{{{By Cindy - May 21, 2007 1:49 PM

But, I do like diversity; it would be great to have somebody other than another old white man in the white house.}}}

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

The cartoon wasn’t racist d#ckhead; your MIND, that rusty piece of membrane between your legs, is what is racist. You took a simple cartoon and PUT a racial context to it. What next? You wanna change the color of the people in the cartoon? Hint: Print the cartoon, take a colored marker, (any color your moronic little mind, the one between your legs, wants); and change the color of the characters in the cartoon to reflect the melanin of your choice.

PS: Make sure to rub your balls and talk about what a big strong man you are while you’re at it. THAT’LL show all those rich non white males who’s the boss!!

By Mrs. Godzilla

May 22, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

I see the pressure of minority status has gotten to Buy Danish. Real ugly, real early.

Don’t ever doubt that I pray for our men and women in uniform every day. I even pray for the contactors who make 83 to 120M a year…

Oh, and I feel good about myself because I am good.

Julia Ward Howe wrote the poem Battle Hymn of the Republic in 1862. By 1870 the realities of war changed her perspective and she then wrote the Mothers Day declaration.

Healthy people grow.

Now, go play with the other 25%, I don’t give a chit.

Outa here…..

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

[[He doesn’t produce and he is a jerk. He doesn’t deserve half of what he “makes” in a year.]]

You mean like BOBBY KNIGHT? Hmmm when was the LAST time he won a national championship? He doesn’t produce, is a jerk, and doesn’t deserve HALF of what he makes; yet I never HEAR any of you talking about the poor white male who’s worse than his non white counterpart. I wonder why? Go stroke yourself moron.

By Just curious

May 22, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

What is the point of this cartoon?

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

grow up danish.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

More rednecks speak out on the joys of dog fighting

Be sure to read the hysterical last paragraph, really heartfelt don’t you think?

This cartoon reminds me of a Hollywood depiction of a scene where radical Muslims shoot up a mall, but the move version turns it into white male NRA members.

By Knight Sux, hire Vick

May 22, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

Knight has won three NCAA championships (1976, 1981, 1987), one National Invitation Tournament championship (1979), and led the U.S. Olympic basketball team to a gold medal (1984). This is considered collegiate basketball’s Triple Crown. Knight also led Indiana to 11 Big Ten Conference championships, and is a 4-time National Coach of the Year (1975, 1976, 1987, 1989).

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

So what has he done LATELY. You’re talking history; this is 2007; what has he done NOW. Here’s a history lesson for you, Ben Franklin started Poor Richard’s Almanac.

What’s the difference between him and Knight? Their careers are both dead.

By ron

May 22, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

Debbie Do Right is having a bad day it seems.The cartoon was about Vick’s dog fighting wasn’t it?Nice guy,Vick.Great role model for young athletes.Wonder which rock they found him under?

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

Oh boo hooo. The poor maligned, abused, male bashed, white male!! Darn those liberals. DARN THEM!!!

By Paul

May 22, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

This is a good interview from Good Morning America with Michelle Obama, wife of Sen Obama.

Nice comments on “I told you so’s” on Iraq on pg 2. They also don’t seem to take themselves too seriously:

“This is who we are. I’ve got a loud mouth. I tease my husband. He is incredibly smart, and he is very able to deal with a strong woman, which is one of the reasons why he can be president, because he can deal with me.”

Link: Mrs. Obama Interview

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Why do the liberals all hate Fox News when they can lie through their teeth on the network without being questioned at all?

Bennie Cummings (D-MS) was just on talking about schools being able to beef up their security and he said Congress had approved money for it but the President took it out. Not a peep from the Fox News “reporter” about just how the hell that was possible when there is no line item veto and the President has never vetoed a budget.

It would have been nice to know if it was just a bald faced lie or if it was yet more pork loaded onto the war funding bill.

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

Bobby Knight smacks kids around; throws temper tantrums in front of THOUSANDS of fans, (young ones too I bet), disrespects the referees, curses his players out; yet HE’S a role model. Yeah right!!! Your little head is calling you; it’s time to make a porno run.

By Eric

May 22, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

Thanks for your profound thoughts, Debbie DoDo.

By Eric

May 22, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

Thanks for your profound thoughts, Debbie DoDo.

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

Whatever happened to Danny Heatley? You remember him? He played ice hockey? The guy who got drunk, got behind the wheel of his car, crashed his car and killed his best friend? Didn’t he get 30 years for that? What?!? NO!!!??!! He got probation!!??!! WOW what a GREAT role model HE is for kids!!

KIDS: Go get drunk; speed illegally, crash your cars and kill your friends!! You’ll get more respect for doing that than if you are SUSPECTED of dog fighting!! What a great country this is!!!

By N-GA

May 22, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Georgia is considered by many to be the reddest of the red states. Yet in Georgia where the Legislature and the Governor’s Office are controlled by Republicans, they can’t pass legislation to strengthen and enforce laws on dog/cockfighting? You said it!!

Up here in the mountains, the voters in Gilmer and Fannin counties typically vote in excess of 74% Republican.

The town of Blue Ridge is in Fannin County. The citizens there repeatedly fail to pass laws allowing alcoholic beverages to be served (buy the drink), or even sell hard liquor in stores. In the town the police threatened to close restaurants that allowed their patrons to bring their own wine! But they continue to elect a mayor who has been caught not once, but twice attending cockfights where illegal gambling was taking place.

When you have the same voters voting for both sides of the moral coin, you have hypocrisy. Shouldn’t Georgia have a law that will throw this mayor out of office? If there is already a law, isn’t there anyone who will try to enforce it?

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Who the hell cares what color are dogfight attendees? I really hope that this isn’t the topic that people are raising hell about. I’m sure you’ll find black folks, white foiks, Mexicans, etc. Wrong is wrong. Grooming dogs to fight is wrong.

Vick isn’t a thug at all, contrary to what some say. Rather, he is a complete idiot who is in dire need of a good publicist that can keep his arse in check.

By Paul

May 22, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

N-GA

So just what are the justifications people offer for promoting dog/cockfighting? IF (and that’s a mighty big if) they are generally the same people who are against liquor consumption on ‘moral’ grounds - well, I just don’t get it. Yes, they can make points all day long about the ‘costs’ of drinking (as one can do with the cost of excessive fat gram or calorie consumption) - but to oppose liquor on moral grounds, then to support as public sport the torturing and killing of animals? Doesn’t make any sense to me.

As I said, it’s a mighty big ‘if’ if there’s a connection.

Ever read any of the studies (peer reviewed, published, accepted) showing a link between kids who torture animals who grow up to become murderers?

By Jesus

May 22, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!!!

By getalife

May 22, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Lets see, we have secret trade and immigration deals, caving to funding and w planning second surge, still no accountabilty, outrageous gas prices, looks like we the people have been screwed again.

Oh well, the destruction continues with no end in sight and the Dems have gone over to the dark side.

God save America.

By N-GA

May 22, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I’ve never asked any supporters of cockfighting to justify it because I don’t run in those circles and it’s not a subject that routinely comes up in conversation.

Perhaps the “sport” supporters don’t bother going to the polls and the church-goers (sarc) do religiously vote. That could explain it…but it doesn’t explain the state authorities turning a blind eye to it all.

By @@

May 22, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

Don’t stereotype much do ‘ya ml.

Bad law; you can breed fighting cocks and fighting dogs.

Good Law; you can’t fight cocks or dogs.

Duh!

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Quick, what right wingnut wacko neocon said this?

Suppose we had not invaded Iraq and Hussein had been overthrown by Shiite and Kurdish insurgents. Suppose al Qaeda then undermined their new democracy and inflamed sectarian tensions to the same level of violence we are seeing today. Wouldn’t you expect the same people who are urging a unilateral and immediate withdrawal to be urging military intervention to end this carnage? I would.

Paul,

I linked that piece through Hot Air since it also has links to the “A vote for Joe Biden is a vote for invading Darfur” appearances that I thought you might be interested in for the next time one of these moonbat(ic)s® tries to claim you’re making it up.

By Paul

May 22, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

N-GA

Good points. I thought there may have been some letters to the editor, etc offering insights. Rather seemed to me they’d be events where there’d be a lot of cigarette smoking and beer drinking (stereotype?) going on.

If anything, I’d think moralists opposing liquor would be leading the charge against animal torture.

It never ceases to amaze me how some people get elected. But, “we” generally want the laws we support to get enforced - and get upset when “stupid” laws are enforced (or enforced “too rigorously”).

By JNH

May 22, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

May 22, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this Hmmm, depict the southern country “redneck” as the frequenter

Rednecks(some of them) in all areas of the country frequent dogfights, cockfights etc. So do rats and thugs. They’re all trash!!

By Shawny

May 22, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

Here is an excellent article from Bob Kerrey, former democratic senator from Nebraska.

By Paul

May 22, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Thanks for the references. I don’t really think anyone thought I was making it up, just that they hadn’t heard about it even though the story is over a month old. That’s one of the points - media seem to let certain stories slide.

But it is awfully tough to attack Iraq intervention and defend Sudan intervention. About all anyone can say is “because, that’s different” and let it go. Bob Kerry (Democrat, 9/11 Commission member) did a good job with this - his original article was embedded in your link at:

Link:(Sen) Bob Kerry on The Left’s Iraq Muddle

The fact it was written by a liberal Democrat of some stature should head off some irrelevant responses, but I’d really, really be interested to hear comment on this from some “Iraq’s a mistake, Dharfur’s justified” people here. With few exceptions, the lead in to this was pretty quiet yesterday.

By Shawny

May 22, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

sorry, Paul….beat you to it by a few seconds. It is a good article.

By Buy Danish

May 22, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

Pit Bull fighting is not a Red State/Blue State issue. It is a hip hop culture issue and c** fighting has its roots in Mexican culture

BTW, can I have the statistics of how many children have been injured by cocks trained for cockfighting? Can we agree that both are grotesque, but one is more dangerous than the other?

DDR,

You (and now steve-o) certainly are desperate to disassociate Michael Vick from pit bull fighting.

By the end of the day I expect you to have listed every crime white athletes have ever committed, proving absolutely nothing.

By N-GA

May 22, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

Paul,

These cockfights are held on private property, so there are no restrictions on drinking (unless it is untaxed moonshine). It’s the cockfighting and gambling that are illegal.

There is a history of this behavior up here going back generations. And they don’t like outsiders (read: state/federal authorities) interfering.

You can buy beer/wine in the local Ingle’s food store. But you can’t serve it in a bar/restaurant. The downtown business owners had wine tastings in the evenings until the authorities stopped that. I’ve spoken with a number of business owners. They have brought properity to the town, but since their homes are located outside the city limits, they don’t vote in city elections or referendums, and have been unable to really muster any political opposition.

By Paul

May 22, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

RW

Followup question: do you ever think you’ll hear Chris Mathews during the Democratic debates or Keith Olberman on the post-discussions ask:

“Show of hands. Who supports American intervention in Dharfur, even if the UN won’t go in? For those who do, how is that different from intervention in Iraq to stop sectarian slaughter?”

By Shawny

May 22, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

This Gingrich guy is dead on. I wish he would throw the hat in the ring.

By Paul

May 22, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Shawny

I think Newt’s about as polarizing as Hillary - with the difference that many Republicans don’t care much for him. I think America’s looking for some “no baggage/fresh outlook” national leadership - and that works against a few candidates from both parties.

N-GA

Well, thank heavens for the Internet and UPS for wine sales!

By @@

May 22, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight @ 9:04:

I’m laughing at your overly emotional post to Scooter.

Knowing him personally, you couldn’t be more wrong in your assumptions. He’s young, good looking, thin, has a degree in environmental economics, and lives in a predominantly black neighborhood where he takes a personal interest in African American youths who live around him.

He’s got “ALL HIS TEETH” too!!!!!

Too funny…

go back to bed and try getting up on the right side.

By Buy Danish

May 22, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

Shawny,

Thanks for the transcript. Newt is brilliant, but his unfavorables just might be worse than Hillarys, so I don’t see him getting elected.

I am grateful for his participation in the debate, so it would be worth it for him to throw his hat in the ring for that reason alone.

And he’s also right about Iraq and Lebanon…

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

{{{By Buy Danish

May 22, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

Pit Bull fighting is not a Red State/Blue State issue. It is a hip hop culture issue and c** fighting has its roots in Mexican culture}}}

Buy Danish,

I find it hard to believe that the University of South Carolina chose their mascot due to the Mexican heritage of the Palmetto State.

By getalife

May 22, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

He is Shawny in November.

The Dems are caving with no spine and giving the gop 08.

Both parties s-uck.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

Paul 10:39,

You do realize that the excerpt I posted was from that Kerrey article, don’t you? So between Shawny, you, and me we got that article linked three times. I hope that’s enough that one of the clueless horde will read it.

I think you’re being too kind when you say the person in question just hadn’t heard of the Biden quote.

No, Chris Matthews would never ask a question that could possibly lead down a path to the positives of stopping ethnic cleansing in Iraq.

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Also, I don’t think that pit bull fighting is solely a “hip hop thang”. Frankly, I don’t believe that a specific group or demographic can claim dog or c** fighting.

By bon scott

May 22, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

By RW-(the original) - May 22, 2007 10:27 AM - Suppose we had not invaded Iraq and Hussein had been overthrown by Shiite and Kurdish insurgents. Suppose al Qaeda then undermined their new democracy and inflamed sectarian tensions to the same level of violence we are seeing today.

Well, just for starters, there are way too many “what if’s” in your question. For all we know, Saddam would be comfortably in control of Iraq (minus Osama and Al-Qaeda, whom he despised) today if it weren’t for the ill-timed, unilateral US invasion in 2003. Secondly, if Osama types had begun to make serious inroads in Iraq which Saddam couldn’t control, Bush Jr. would have had a genuine chance to build a real international coalition, as his far smarter father did for the Gulf War.

Instead, Junior and his arrogant, ill-informed advisors launched a premature war with virtually no allied support based on faulty intelligence that has made the US a pariah instead of the Lion of Liberty in almost every nation on earth. I wonder how his poor Dad sleeps at night.

I’m not dismissing the threat of Islamic radicals. But all the 2003 invasion has done is encourage them.

As for the cartoon, anyone involved in animal fights for sport and betting opportunities should be jailed. I’m hoping Vick wasn’t. But if he was….

By Paul

May 22, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original) 10:55

While I enjoyed the analyisis of Kerry’s article, some here dismiss information if it’s from a source they don’t like (shoot the messenger) so I linked to original Kerry article for them.

I’ll still wager the discussion on this topic will be mext tp nil.

Regarding the “Chris Mathews” question: yeah, but I’ll bet Chris Wallace would ask it. Another good reason to avoid Fox, in their view.

By N-GA

May 22, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Fighting cocks is done worldwide, not just Mexico. Dogfighting as well.

Both are just as cruel…

But the compassionate conservatives of North Georgia seem to like it…at least they condone it more than they do drinking.

Now fighting dogs and cocks is illegal throughout Georgia. However, Georgia law permits beer/wine/alcohol. I find it interesting how the citizens of Blue Ridge view these two activities.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Paul,

They could compromise and have Mike Wallace pry into their early sex lives I guess. What happened to that guy? He seems to have his faculties in tact, but he sure has lost his touch when it comes to lines of questioning.

You don’t really think the leftists here are going to give Opinion Journal any more credence than Hot Air do you? /rhetorical

finch,

The first what if in “my” question is that it isn’t my question. Take it up with Bob Kerrey (D-9/11 commission)

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

I know this kind of thing drives you moonbat(ic)s® crazier than you already are so please don’t read any further in this comment.

.

.

Later!

By Rusty

May 22, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

Danny Heatley should be in jail. Anyone,regardless of race found participating or even attending organized fighting between ANY animals should also be in jail.This is not about race as hard as some of you want to make it.This is about animal cruelty and nothing else.

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

[[Pit Bull fighting is not a Red State/Blue State issue. It is a hip hop culture issue and c** fighting has its roots in Mexican culture]]

OH please!!! PROVE IT DANISH. Show me a link that just proves that the “hip hop culture” initiated and instigated pit bull fighting and that c** fighting originated with the Mexican population. If you can’t prove it you’re just spouting out garbage that you HEARD someone say but don’t know for sure that it’s true.

[[DDR, You (and now steve-o) certainly are desperate to disassociate Michael Vick from pit bull fighting.]]

I’m trying to uphold the old american tradition, you know, INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty. Instead of going by public opinion or right wing hacks I prefer PROOF before I condemn someone.

Isn’t there a bible verse somewhere about baring false witness?

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

[[He’s young, good looking, thin, has a degree in environmental economics,]]

Why isn’t he in line right now in front of the recruiters signing up? Oh, that’s right, he’s probably republican; they can talk a good game; but can’t back it up.

By N-GA

May 22, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I agree that the Sudan/Iran/Iraq issue is worthy of some discussion, but not much. The Democrat (Biden?) neither speaks for the party (like Lieberman), nor expresses a view shared by front-running candidates.

By Paul

May 22, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

N-GA

My interest in Iraq/Sudan was more along the lines of how some (many, I’d imagine, if asked the question “should the US intervene in Sudan to stop genocide?”) will affirm one and denounce the other.

A larger issue was one brought up by author Ralph Peters about ten years back when he wrote one of the biggest challenges to America will be to pull back on military intervention for humanitarian purposes where no strategic interest exists. He wrote about how it sounds good theoretically and will be embraced by many - but the attitude will dissipate in the face of videos showing suffering women and children. Then it’s more intervention with possible dangerous unintended results - as we’ve seen in Iraq.

Personally, I think that’s a UN mission - but then the attitude comes up if the UN is ineffectual, the US should go it alone.

I agree Biden doesn’t speak for the party - but many candidates’ comments are treated as if they did. I’ve found the candidates remarkably silent of future uses of our military - I think it should be a topic of some discussion - not the “I’m for a strong military - more money for the military - I’m for stopping terrorists” that we’ve been treated to.

By N-GA

May 22, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

Paul,

There are issues, then there are ISSUES!

I tend to believe that the “powers that be” make a concerted effort to put the issues they want discussed out in front via radio, newspaper, TV, talking heads, blogs, etc. They frequently do this to take attention away from an issue that is causing them “pain” (read: Iraq, gov’t spending, cost of gasoline, etc.).

As an example I offer the issue of illegal immigrants. I don’t believe for a second that 11-12 million illegal immigrants suddenly materialized here in the good old US of A. But it suddenly became a “hot button” issue and I really don’t think the administration wants the issue to go away before next election.

BTW, both parties are guilty of this behavior. Both parties have their talking heads who are all-too-willing to jump on an “issue” when asked. And it has proved very effective.

So if I don’t get into a heavy discussion about invading Sudan, it’s because I view it as an issue more useful for distraction than discussion.

I have some things to attend to, so will be offline until late afternoon. I hope to engage you then.

cheers…..

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I missed your response at 10:47. I am not trying to disassociate Vick from dog fightin at all. In fact, if you read my 10:15 post, you will see how I feel about Vick and this situation. I’m just saying that we shouldn’t try to pin dog fighting or cockfighting on one demographic.

By Brian Curtis

May 22, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Paul: What’s the huge controversy? Biden’s wrong. End of question.

There, that wasn’t so tough.

By Buy Danish

May 22, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

Michael Vick and all those people who own Pit Bulls as a status symbol are “compassionate conservatives”?

Later…

By Buy Danish

May 22, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

steve-o,

Before I go -

How the Game Cocks got their name.

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Check out this article on online grassroots organizing and how the Democrats have held an advantage in that realm recently.

The article basically describes the differences in organization between Democrats and Republicans. Democrat organizing is more of a bottom-up approach where the agenda is set by bloggers defining the agenda at the grassroots level, while the Republican strategy is more top-down with talk-radio and media peronalities relaying the GOP talking points to the masses.

Thus, when you ask liberals or Democrats about some statement that a Democrat politician said, you won’t get too much of a passionate response, especially if they don’t support the politician in the first place.

By Midori

May 22, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

Steve-o,

thank you for that 11:56.

I was wondering why the wingnuts were crowing over an article that Bob Kerry wrote.

I mean, so what?

I’ve posted plenty of articles authored by conservatives that were critical of conservatives, and was met with such dumb sh*t as “where’s the smoking gun”?

Bob Kerry has his opinion(s), and is welcome to them.

That’s the beauty of the democratic party: we don’t do lock step.

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Interesting article. Thanks.

It also proves my point that cockfighting belongs to no particular demographic.

If you want to see something crazier, check out how Clint Portis tried to defend Vick. With friends like these…

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

{{{That’s the beauty of the democratic party: we don’t do lock step.}}}

Well put, Midori. Well put indeed.

By LuckoDull

May 22, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Gee, I wonder if Jimmy Carter is a dog fighter, we are dwelling on racist stereotypes, after all:

{{{Then there was foreign policy. We cut adrift the Shah of Iran, a reliable American ally, because presumably the clergy trying to overthrow him were more moral than he. Then the Ayatollah Khomeini took over, and the U.S. Embassy hostage crisis followed. The Carter administration twisted, turned, agonized — and failed utterly to retrieve the hostages. Almost the minute the tough-talking Ronald Reagan took over the reins, Khomeini decided the game was up. He set the hostages free.}}}

Is Jimmy Carter’s wife a fat slob?

{{{Came the energy crisis of the late ’70s, caused in large part by government punishment of the energy companies via regulation and taxation. How did Carter propose to lead us out of this crisis? By further punishing the companies — confiscating their “windfall profits” from the higher oil prices that supplied the capital requisite to finding more oil and gas.}}}

Does Jimmy have a tire on his porch?

I wonder if mike luckovich is a race baiting POS?

This fight could have occurred in any state, in a barn or a city warehouse. The participants could have been Caucasian, African American or Hispanic, and the year could have been 1897 or 1997. Since the 1800’s, dog fighting has attracted the attention and admiration of royalty, politicians, doctors, farmers and police officers, as well as the wrath of animal protectionists, who have fought hard to end it.

Michael Vick is black isn’t he?

Stick it up your as-s luckobit-ch.

Coward.

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(Why does the Michael Moore looking character have a cloud of steam rising off it’s head?)

By Scooter

May 22, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Debbie Do Right, ‘Why don’t you get your lazy a$$ up and do something Scooter, (so named because you’re so big and fat you can’t walk anymore you need a motorized go cart to get around), and get a life!! I’m so SICK of people like you. RACE RACE RACE RACE RACE, that’s ALL you care about or talk about. Grow the fluck up stooopid!!’

Who has been here posting all morning and who has not?

By Points to ponder

May 22, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

1) The actual surge could be 46,000 combat troops, rather than the 21,000 that Bush claimed to Congress and to the nation. He’s asking for another $100 million from Congress this week after he lied, again.

3)Wow. Highest gas prices ever. Nice work, W. Actually, he probably does consider that good work. He and Dick are oil men, after all.

This will probably end up being the major “accomplishment” of the Bush administration. Well, that and getting the rest of the world to hate the U.S.

Who would have guessed that a Big Oil team in the White House would occur at the same time as record profits and record prices at the pump?

Heckuva job, Bushie. Heckuva legacy.

3)The Brits have openly gay troops. And McCain said that openly gay troops pose “an intolerable risk” to our troops. So does he still feel that way about America’s number one ally?

4) Gonzales proposing new Orwellian thought crimes law

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Danish: You yourself have just disproved your “Mexican Immigrants started c** fighting” with your link to “how the gamecocks got their name” to steve-o above^^. Perhaps if you would’ve read your link first, BEFORE spouting off something you heard from Rush Limbaugh and others of his ilk, you would not have sounded so………..(insert appropriate adjective here).

From the SC website referenced by Danish: The proving ground for the gamecock’s heroic attributes was “gamecocking.”Now illegal throughout the U.S., this sport originated with the Greeks, who called the c** the “Persian bird.”The Greeks spread the sport to Asia Minor and Sicily, and eventually the Romans adopted gamecocking too.From Rome, before Caesar’s time, gamecocking reached England.From there, it presumably came to America with the English immigrants.

By Midori

May 22, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Speaking fo “fat slobs”, I see Andy has made the news

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

[[Who has been here posting all morning and who has not?]]

Who used the new idiom for N###ER (thug) and who has not?

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

LuckoDork,

Your 12:08 post indicates that you haven’t taken your Ritalin today. Where the hell are you trying to go with that rant, junior?

By Points to ponder

May 22, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

DARN! And I thought we might make it a whole day without those moronic

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By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Midori great story. Sad, pathetic and prophetic legacy of the Republican party.

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

DDR,

One would have to be blind not to see the disproportionate use of the word “thug” for blacks rather than whites.

We never here of the NHL being a league of “thugs” even though they permit fighting on the ice. I’ve never heard of the term “thug” applied to people like Jeremy Shockey, Bill Romanowski, Todd Steussie, or Ryan Leaf. Hell Pete Rose gets banned from a sport….FOR LIFE…and he never got called a “thug”.

I used to use the word all the time to describe rougher individuals, but now I shudder nearly every time I hear it because of hidden meanings and implications. Kind of like Willy Horton all over again, huh?

By getalife

May 22, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

I thought of Andy when I saw that picture too Midori.

What a sick freak that wingnut is.

Geez.

By LuckoDull

May 22, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

{{{By Points to ponder May 22, 2007 12:09 PM 1) The actual surge could be 46,000 combat troops, rather than the 21,000 that Bush claimed to Congress}}}

1) The democrats haven’t stopped the war, and in fact, have become Bush’s Bitc-hes, rather than what they told their sniveling Coward dullard voters.

You know what I mean?

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By LuckoDull

May 22, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

{{{By steve-o May 22, 2007 12:17 PM Where the hell are you trying to go with that rant, junior?}}}

That racist comments about white people are open season by those who supposedly don’t discriminate or at least TELL everyone they don’t.

The AJC is slap full of modern day Klanners, riding their little horsey’s around and burning those crosses.

Tell me junior, what the F do the people race bait luckobit-ch drew in the cartoon have to do with it?

Coward.

Any more asinine questions?

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By Maybe one has to be a thug

May 22, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

to be called a thug.

By Observer

May 22, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoWrong - Again, you are a twit. I at no time made even a passing reference to Bobby Knight, who was, is and always will be a JERK. IU also fired him after they decided they had had enough. Michael Vick is just as big a jerk. No racial distinctions there. However, why don’t you stick to the subject rather than obfuscating. You are enough to prove why all of the main-line networks always have five liberals and one conservative on the panel - it’s for balance. It takes five liberal brains to equal the power of one conservative. It would take ten of yours!

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

What does the Iran Hostage Crisis and the Oil Crisis have to do with any perceived stereotypes of white folks?

Really, what did you want Luckovich to draw…a bunch of pickininnies rolling dice and drinking 40s?

You like to blame everyone else for society’s ills, from Mexicans to Arabs to black folks; but yet you get heated that an implication is made that someone, who happens to be white, attends dog fights.

Try to find another battle to fight, Don Quixote.

Wuss.

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By steve-o

May 22, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

LuckoDork,

What does the Iran Hostage Crisis and the Oil Crisis have to do with any perceived stereotypes of white folks?

Really, what did you want Luckovich to draw…a bunch of pickininnies rolling dice and drinking 40s?

You like to blame everyone else for society’s ills, from Mexicans to Arabs to black folks; but yet you get heated that an implication is made that someone, who happens to be white, attends dog fights.

Try to find another battle to fight, Don Quixote.

Wuss.

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By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

Amen Steve-O amen. And to borrow and paraphrase a saying from a fellow poster, Dennis, “You don’t have to be a blind conservative to see it, just an ignorant want to think that no one else can see it too”

By Cindy

May 22, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

Paul, If we blindly went into Dafur without a serious intent of war; too few troops; under equiped; no plan “B” (not sure if there was a real plan “A” in Iraq); monopolizing US resources and energies to the detriment of US citizens; occuping the country with over 100,000 troops for over 10 years; and lie about the entire mission, I would say no. If the administration laid the cards on the table; told the truth; had the leadership capabilities to make it work; I would say yes. I am not a total pacifist and do believe there is a time and a “season” for military intervention. However, it must be taken seriously (not “oh, well we’ll go in and they’ll cheer us in the streets” attitude) because war is very serious and with the best resources available under strong competent leadership.

By LuckoDull

May 22, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

Ashcroft, a brand new American hero:

{{{In 2001, Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) led the Democratic opposition to Ashcroft’s nomination, casting Ashcroft as a terrifying religious zealot lacking the integrity, temperament and (wink) “racial sensitivity” to be attorney general. Last week, Schumer saluted Ashcroft’s “fidelity to the rule of law.” The liberal website Wonkette praised Ashcroft’s “heroic stand.” The Atlantic’s Andrew Sullivan, who has become a Jeremiah about the dangers of the Christian right that Ashcroft has long personified, dubbed him “an American hero.” Ashcroft’s rehabilitation was sealed by a Washington Post story about how the former AG was often the only firebreak against the Bush White House. Even Ralph Neas, the hyper-partisan president of People for the American Way, managed to mumble to the Washington Post that Gonzales had managed to make Ashcroft look like a “defender of the Constitution.”}}}

Can you believe this?

Do the sniveling Cowards think we didn’t write down all the disgusting, horrible things they said about Ashcroft and his devout religion?

Geez.

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By JNH

May 22, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

One would have to be blind not to see the disproportionate use of the word “thug” for blacks rather than whites.

Steve-O, I don’t stay on this site constantly (too much going on), but I do scan the comments occasionally. I didn’t know the word “thug” was used primarily to refer to blacks as opposed to whites. I have been guilty of using this word to refer to ALL individuals we try to avoid. You know, those folks we know who will ‘knock your block off.’ Around here it’s primarily the rough looking white guy, with a visible tire iron displayed in his vehicle, or a rifle mounted on the back window. Usually a dog is chained in the back of the truck. However, I’m NOT stating ALL these guys are thugs. Some are just ignorant. At any rate, I’ll be more careful when using that word in the future!!!

By Galactus

May 22, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

The reason the word “thug” is disproportionately used when referring to blacks is because the word has been in embraced by black rappers. White listeners know this and think that its ok. It usually is ok until somebody white says it.

By LuckoDull

May 22, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

{{{By steve-o May 22, 2007 12:38 PM What does the Iran Hostage Crisis and the Oil Crisis have to do with any perceived stereotypes of white folks?}}}

Geez, didn’t Carter just call Bush the worst president in history? Can’t you tie two issues together?

{{{Really, what did you want Luckovich to draw…a bunch of pickininnies rolling dice and drinking 40s?}}}

And if had drawn that, how would you have felt about it?

You already answered when you said this “Really, what did you want Luckovich to draw…” why’d you ask that, is it taboo?

So let’s review, stereotyping based on race is O.K. unless it’s against stevie.

Coward.

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By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Observer: There is a bus that goes downtown from Cobb county daily around 1:00 p.m., it’s the number 10. Please step in front of it and do mankind a great service. Thank you.

By Scooter

May 22, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Sorry, if you interpreted the term thug to be hateful.

But don’t worry, “me and my girlfirend” “ain’t mad at ya”.

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

[[The reason the word “thug” is disproportionately used when referring to blacks is because the word has been in embraced by black rappers]]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: Black rappers do not speak for, nor are the moral representatives, for all Black People in America, or worldwide. Thank you.

By mike

May 22, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

I hope Vick moves on somewhere else. Then all you Vick haters can watch him in the Superbowel like you watched Dion. Like you watched Justice in the world series and so and so on. BTW Vick is still laughing all the way to the bank where ever he plays.

By LuckoDull

May 22, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

How true:

{{{Obviously, Israelis continue to suffer from Arab terror-as-self-actualization. But the global media hates Israel. So don’t expect to hear much about the rockets raining on Sderot, beyond a perfunctory aside from a dismissive anchor-babe.}}}

The left loves it’s savages.

Two peas in a pod.

Cowards.

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By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Observer,

Don’t you chu be messin’ wit me. I’s married to white folks so I knows what I is talkin ‘bout. Dem democrats is good white folks so I sa gonna defend dem evra chance I git. Yassa!

By Paul

May 22, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

Brian Curtis 11:46

Right or wrong: just depends on your views of America’s role and how and when force should be use. The big deal was a call by a Democratic candidate to intervene militarily in an Islamic country was met with zip response, after all we’ve experienced in Iraq. Yet Republicans are portrayed as the “let’s go to war” crowd (as in Iran).

steve-o 11:56

That article shows how rapidly things change. NPR had a guest (young adult) a few days ago critiquing candidates’ web sites. It’s amazing what some people think lends credibility.

Regarding organizing, I think Reps have held edge in grassroots, manual methods, while Dems are clearly on leading edge using Internet. As far as “grassroots” - don’t know if that’s a term describing “widespread” or “mainstream.” With a recent poll showing 46 percent of American adulet trying to avoid communication technology, there may be room for discussion on bloggers equaling the mainstream.

Your last paragraph seems to harken back to the “leadership by polls” criticisms Pres Clinton took. That may just stifle creativity.

Midori 12:02

It just illustrates a case for American military intervention, or lack thereof, which I’d say is pretty significant. If the Democratic candidate is going to run on a “No more Iraq, no attack on Iran” platform, I think people deserve to know in what situations a future President will want to pull the trigger. The issue’s broader than Iraq/Iran.

[[That’s the beauty of the democratic party: we don’t do lock step.}}

Isn’t that quote from Sen Lieberman before the first primary? :)

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

When a hypersensitive race pimp like steve-0 comes along and proclaims he is offended by the use of the word thug, just apologize and say you’ll be careful using the word in the future??? Isn’t this very silencing of perceived political incorrectness thuggery in it’s own right?

There are dozens of articles calling Bill Romanowski (white guy) a thug because he’s a thug, but if you want to live your life according to a manipulative punk like steve-0’s language rules it’s your right, JNH.

By Galactus

May 22, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight,

I didn’t say they did. I’m simply pointing out that if a group or influential segment of a group embraces a term or concept, there will be a lot of people who will follow suit. That is the reason for the disproportion.

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

LuckoDork,

Trying to tie the Bush-Carter row to racial sterotyping just doesn’t make any sense. But what else can we expect from you?

Just remember to put the crayons back in the box when you’re done today, Junior.

By Observer

May 22, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoWrong - again you prove my point. I am of mixed race; I live in Midtown Atlanta; and I have no desire to continue a discussion with someone who obviously buys into racist stereotypes so she can seem to be perfectly p.c. and erudite because she has never had an intelligent thought that did not die of loneliness. Now go look in the mirror to see what a fool looks like!

By Paul

May 22, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Cindy 12:43

Very good points on how action should be taken. My concern is with the “when.”

“People suffering” may not be good enough. People suffer around the globe - then the same arguments used by those opposed to Iraq (“why not invade North Korea, huh, huh?”) come up. Projectedd casualty rates have nothing to do with whether or not the action should be undertaken - in fact, projecting low casualties is a good way to foster intervention.

And if it’s to stop the killing - some would say, we leave, the killing resumes. So what’s the point, or the alternative? Remain forever, as we’re doing in the former Yugoslovia, with a new attempt at a Pax Romana?

By Scooter

May 22, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

No matter how much Debbie Do Right, etal, try to make it look like we conservatives were insinuating ALL black folk are thugs, it will never detract from the fact this toon was about Michael Vick and his dog fighting dilemmas. By us offering our opinions on MV, we are not extrapolating those opinions onto all people who “look like him”.

Just another example of the leftist race baiting.

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

JNH,

Great post. Thanks!

Scooter and Galactus,

You guys both raise interesting and very important points. That’s one of the problems that I have with “gangsta” rap. I grew up listening to hip hop and I never embraced the “thug” term. I’ve always had a problem with people embracing a negative image or stereotype and often pointed out the hypocrisy to others. One good thing to come out of the Imus situation is that now there is open dialogue within the black community on holding the music industry and entertainers accountable for producing misogynistic crap.

RW,

Again…a darky speaks his mind and Ol’ Massa can’t take it. Well Ole Steve-o sho’s am sorry Massa. I don’t means to offend…especially de likes of you. Ole Steve-o promises to keeps his mouf shut, suh, when he’s ‘round white folk. But one mo’ question, Massa. I’s sho would like to see some articles referring to Mistuh Romanowski as a thug. Can you please hep me out?

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

TFTT: I KNOW you’re the one who posted that. You are becoming more and more of a caricature of an illiterate, drunken, southener who dates his sister.

By getalife

May 22, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

Wow, the Dem blogs are p** off

At least Feingold has the spine to tell us the Dems are cowards.

Its like a one party system now with a king.

No accountability and no dissent with media on his side.

Amazing times.

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Yup. Being from the great state of Wisconsin originally myself, I am glad that I voted for him when I lived there!

By getalife

May 22, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

Yes, I wish he could give some of his spine to his colleagues.

Geez.

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Observer: So you’re of “mixed race” so what! So are my nephews, neices, grandmother, father, myself, brothers and sister, and my Aunt who is half German and half British. Whoooopeee!!!

You missed your bus.

Galactus: Did not mean to offend; simply making a point.

From Scooter: [[No matter how much Debbie Do Right, etal, try to make it look like we conservatives were insinuating ALL black folk are thugs, it will never detract from the fact this toon was about Michael Vick and his dog fighting dilemmas]]

No one was insinuating anything. It’s just peculiar that when a black person is caught/or suspected of doing something wrong, (Like say Michael Vick), he’s automatically a “thug”; whereas a non black person, (Say Danny Wheatley), is caught doing something INFINITELY more reprehensible, they are considered “misguided”. Your own language supports this. If you would’ve said “Vick is reprehensible for his actions” instead of “Vick is a thug (the new “right” idiom for N###er), it would have never even been an issue.

By Paul

May 22, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

getalife 1:15

I reference Dick Morris’ beginning of Apr column on this the other day - predicting what would happen. So far it’s played out, remains to be seen if he’ll nail it on the rest.

I didn’t see it at the archives, but here’s a reprint from another site - sorry, don’t know the “slant” it was just the first site that came up on Google.

Link: Who Will Win Game of Chicken Over War Funding?

By Galactus

May 22, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

Steve-o,

If you look deeper into the discussions that take place within the black community, you will find that people’s opinion about the language in “gansta” rap is greatly influenced by their previous taste for the music. Most of the people who I know that feels that the language needs to change don’t listen to it that much in the first place. Rap music defenders love listening to it. It won’t be until we are tired of self defeating ourselves that we’ll see the necessary changes in our music and culture.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

steve-0

GFY I’m not going to live my life by your emotional failings. I’ll live my life the best way I can according to my faith and when I see a thug I’ll call that thug a thug, I don’t give a damn what color the thug is. Nobody else does either and outlawing the word is just a recent development by race baiters like you to try to portray yourself as a victim of whitey again.

Probably just another thing you made up to demand an apology for.

By Brian Curtis

May 22, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

Paul: It’s meeting with zip response because it’s got no support. Biden’s proposal is going nowhere.

By Paul

May 22, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

Paul, We still have military in Germany and Japan, too. I don’t have a problem with the #’s in Ger, Japan, and Yugoslavia.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Brian Curtis,

Is the genocide in Darfur OK with you then?

By Galactus

May 22, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight,

No offense taken. I have to respond to your last comment to Scooter though. If he mentioned that Vick should be held accountable to his actions you said it wouldn’t have been an issue. Maybe not for you, me or Steve, but if you listen to a lot of blacks in the sport section and other forms of media, they still don’t want that to be said. They don’t want any criticism of Vick or anybody that they like to be given by a white person. I am black, but I am not so deeply hurt whenever somebody white notices bad behavior regardless of the color of skin, as long as its not because of the color. But a whole lot of us still consider any criticism of a black person by a white person to be racist.

By Brian Curtis

May 22, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Paul: It’s meeting with zip response because it’s got no support. Biden’s proposal is going nowhere.

By Paul

May 22, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

Brian Curtis 1:32

I take it that was you also at 1:33

Silence is a lot different than the response that would greet a Republican candidate (“Repubs want another war!” “Repub calls for invasion”). Not, “oh, nobody really agrees so we’ll just let it slide.

So I take it Democrats, as a body, really don’t want to send just 2500 troops and a few jets for air cover to Sudan to stop the torture, killings and genocide if the UN won’t?

Personally, I’d be just fine with pulling the remaining forces out of Germany, all out of the former Yugoslovia, and just about everything from Japan. Eliminate all the bureaucratic soldiers and civilians, cut the positions, and free up the dollars for some other nonmilitary use. Including tax cuts.

By Scooter

May 22, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

DDR, how about if I called Emminem (sp) a thug? Would that make you feel better, because I have and will in the future. Sorry to burst your bubble but I don’t have terms that apply to specific racial groups at the exclusion of others. Perhaps the race angle arises in your head, it doesn’t in mine.

Danny Heatley’s incident was a drinking and driving accident and was reprehensible. However, the dead passenger made a choice to get in the car.

The stray dogs do not make the choice to be chained to a tree, on a short chain, so that fighting dogs can be angered and sent in to get the taste of blood from a helpless, chained up stray dog. The fighting dogs do not make the choice to add a little gunpowder to their food so that it stir fries their brains and makes them mean as he11.

I have never been a party to dog fighting, but; have been involved in rescuing practice dogs.

You know DDR, I noticed you came in and immediately played the race baiting angle on me and have yet to condemn anything other than the conservatives on this Board. What’s new, right?

By JP

May 22, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Look how well the Saints did by ditching Vick’s cousin Aaron Brooks and hiring a real pocket-passing quarterback..

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

Galactus,

Hip hop is a very diverse music form with a lot of sub-genres. I never took too much to gangsta rap as I did to underground groups like A Tribe Called Quest and GangStarr (yes, and ironic name). Spike Lee’s movie “Bamboozled” did an excellent job in spoofing the propensity of the media to exploit negative stereotypes and conditions of the black community.

RW,

You never read anything that I say. You never even take time to understand it. Instead, you put words in your mouth because you want me to be some sort of race hustling Jesse Jackson type. I can’t have a conversation with you because you can’t control your emotions, and frankly, I think that you are very intimidated by speaking to others of different ethnicities.

Not once did I say that any word be banned, not once did I say anything about being a victim. I brought an issue that I have with one word—a topic that has been widely addressed.

No but to you, I should stay a happy nig-ger and be quiet. You can’t tolerate me having a view based on my experiences of being black. Instead you berate me and others for sharing any insight from a black perspective. You pretend that there was never any history of racism. You pretend that some of the abhorrent conditions in inner-cities are self-inflicted. The bottom line is that you don’t give a damn.

Why don’t you keep your mouth shut and butt out if you have nothing to contribute. You add nothing but negativity and hostility.

How does it feel to be a man in his 50s and be so damn intolerant? Have you learned anything in your lifetime? RW, you really need some help in dealing with your insecurities…especially at such an older age.

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

{{{I am black, but I am not so deeply hurt whenever somebody white notices bad behavior regardless of the color of skin, as long as its not because of the color. But a whole lot of us still consider any criticism of a black person by a white person to be racist.}}}

Galactus,

Well said. There are times when we can be too damn sensitive…especially when it comes to Mike Vick. I don’t want to throw him under the bus, but the man is a freaking idiot.

By Points to ponder

May 22, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

“I know because I have Karl Rove’s emails. No kidding. He and his team aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer. They sent copies of their plans to GeorgeWBush.ORG instead of GeorgeWBush.COM addresses — and, heh heh, they ended up in my in-box. Who says this job ain’t fun?” Greg Palast

By Observer

May 22, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoWrong - By mixed, I refer to being a Louisiana Creole of African, European and American-Indian ancestry. However, my point is that it is irrelevant. You tried to turn valid criticism over behavior into an argument about race, which is something that it is not. Michael Vick is an embarassment to all GOOD people, regardless of ancestry. Just like Jimmy Swaggart and Ernest Ansley are embarassments to good Christians, some folks are just embarassments in general. Vick is one of those.

By the way, for general information to all, the word ‘thug’ comes from the word ‘thugee’ a viscious cult stamped out by the British in India during the 1800s and rather badly immoralized in the film “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom”. I looked it up and Indians of the Indian subcontinent are racially considered ‘dark-skinned caucasians’.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

No dumbass errr steve-0, I mentioned it because through your race baiting you already have other posters falling all over themselves to kiss your a$$ and quit using the word thug because stevie the race baiter claims it’s racist.

Have you noticed that YOU are the one that turns EVERY discussion into one of race? Open your eyes clown, when you aren’t here the subject of race rarely if ever comes up. A thug is a thug is a thug and if that bothers you that’s YOUR problem.

Besides on my browser you are a white background with black letters. I’ll have to go to a garage sale and get one of these malfunctioning crystal balls you moonbat(ic)s® use all the time around here.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

Observer,

Your 2:11 brings up a question I’ve wondered about. Did The Simpsons steal their theme song from Earnest Ansley or was it the other way around?

By Ray

May 22, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

Silly libs - if Vick were white he’d have been labeled a combine quarterback (strong arm, nice wheels - no game) and tossed on the pile years ago. He sells jerseys…economics 101 anybody?

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

{{{I looked it up and Indians of the Indian subcontinent are racially considered ‘dark-skinned caucasians’.}}}

Come on, Observer. Surely you can’t be serious.

By Points to ponder

May 22, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

The first time I heard the word thug was on XTC’s song No Thugs in Our House on their English Settlement album.

They certainly weren’t referring to any particular race. They were referring to people akin to soccer hooligans.

I don’t think of “thug” as a racist term and will use it when referring to anyone who would cause harm to others.

By Points to ponder

May 22, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

moonbat(ic)s®\

Now that is one of the most moronic things I’ve ever seen.

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

RW,

Then why don’t you try to refute the points made in my 12:22 post? Read the post again and find where I say anything about being a victim.

Instead of even trying to understand and think about what I wrote, you immediately get emotional and defensive. In your eyes, I’m not allowed to talk about race because I’m black. I merely made a comment to DDR, and you get very defensive.

I don’t want anyone to kiss my a-ss. I want people to engage in conversation.

So RW, you find me some examples from the mainstream media where people say that the NHL is a league of thugs or that guys like Bill Romanowski and Jeremy Shockey are thugs. You know I have a point, and yet you’re too chickensh!t to debate it.

But if you want me to be Jesse Jackson as part of your little Rush Limbaugh fantasy, then I’ll do it.

Keep hope alive!!

By Paul

May 22, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Amazing when the use of a word generates more discussion than a proposal to intervene in a country to stop genocide.

By IN THE NEWS

May 22, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

IM ABOUT TIRED OF THIS BA$TARD

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By IN THE NEWS

May 22, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

HERE”S ANOTHER SLIMER

What repelled Wilkes — and others invited to the parties — was both the water Cunningham put in the hot tub and the congressman’s penchant for using it while naked, even if everybody else at the party was clothed. Cunningham used water siphoned directly from the polluted Potomac River and never changed it out during the season. “Wilkes thought it was unbelievably dirty and joked if you got in there it would leave a dark water line on your chest,” said one person familiar with the parties. “The water was so gross that very few people were willing to get into the hot tub other than Duke and his paramour.” That was a reference to Cunningham’s most frequently seen girlfriend, a flight attendant who lived in Maryland

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

points to ponder,

Yeah, and I also enjoyed the book Amongst the Thugs, which is about English soccer hooligans.

What I’m speaking about is the use of the word in the past 10 years and how it’s disproportionately applied to blacks. Part of it has to do with rappers and celebrities like 2pac embracing and promoting the term, as Scooter mentioned. However, I think there is also a certain undercurrent that allows for SOME to substitute other racial epithets for the word “thug”.

By Cut and Run Bushy Style

May 22, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

Iraq plans for possible quick U.S. pullout BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) “…But two senior Iraqi officials told The Associated Press that Bush warned al-Maliki that Washington expected to see “tangible results quickly” on the oil bill and other legislation as the price for continued support. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not supposed to release the information. In London, a senior U.S. official echoed that warning, saying the Bush administration wanted signs of progress by fall or it would be forced to reconsider its policy in Iraq.”

By IN THE NEWS

May 22, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

APPEARS IM NOT ALONE

MSNBC Poll: “Do you believe President Bush’s actions justify impeachment?”

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

steve-0,

I didn’t address your 12:22 because I really don’t give a crap about the race baiting BS you’re always spewing so I scroll past you, but I did run into JNH falling all over herself to apologize to you and responded.

Clearly the NHL isn’t labeled a league of thugs because nobody gives a damn about the NHL enough to keep up with them for the most part. Whenever a thuggish event happens like a stick to the back of someone’s skull we hear about it and the person is labeled a thug. If you google romanowski+thug you’ll get all the examples you could ever want.

Now are you trying to say that Willy Horton wasn’t a thug with your “brilliant” 12:22?

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

RW,

Clearly, the Willie Horton incident was an example of race baiting tactics employed by Republicans. Show the face of a violent and deranged black man in order to scare suburban whites into voting for you.

I beg to differ with your assessment of the NHL. It isn’t as big as the other three, but it’s still popular.

Also, the fact that you easily dismissed the thought-out commentary in my 12:22 post shows the utter disdain and disrespect that you have for minorities.

You can’t tell me that there is not a double standard for the use of the word thug. Romanowski was not described as a “thug” in the mainstream media. I’ve never heard the word applied to rowdy white college students on spring break, where rapes and other crimes are known to occur. I never heard the term applied to Patrick Kearny, whose home was the scene of a rape. I never heard the term applied to Danny Heatley after his DUI cost his friend his life.

Do you see where I’m going here, RW? I’m just throwing it out there for debate. Do you think that you can maybe talk about this without throwing out words like “victim” or “racebaiter”? Or does any discussion about race make you wet your pants and tuck your cockandballs between your legs?

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May 22, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

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By @@

May 22, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

I assign the term “thug” to any 15, 16, 17, or 18 year old kid who doesn’t have a job and doesn’t seem to be looking for one.

About that picture of Tupac Shakur that Scooter linked to…did his belly button look really high in that picture?

By Brian Curtis

May 22, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

Paul: Sounds like a good plan. Personally, I’d be fine with our only foreign entanglements (aside from embassies) being humanitarian aid and disaster relief.

By Bosch

May 22, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Paul, As far as Darfur goes, I think we could all agree that it is an atrocity and something needs to be done. In my opinion, the biggest failure of Clinton’s administration was Rwanda.

I do not agree with Biden that we should just go in there without UN support (although I think we could win that one). In my opinion, that is what the UN is for.

That’s why we are so screwed in Iraq. We invaded the country with no support. Sure, you can give statistics that there are X number of countries in the coalition, but that’s just a load of BS. Even Britain has enough sense to pull out now, Bush’s lapdog Blair is gone.

Even though many neo-cons dismiss the UN as an ineffective institution, it is still vital. Countries around the globe see us as an imperialistic power and to some extent that is true without the UN to back us up.

By getalife

May 22, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

Is there smoke in Atlanta this morning?

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

steve-0,

Stevie Wonder could see where you’re going with your race baiting. Oops was that racist or visionist?

I hear people described as thugs when they do thuggish things and I describe someone as a thug when they do something thuggish, sorry I don’t share your racism. Please note the word PEOPLE, if that’s possible in your little pea brain. You told someone else here that maybe you were being too sensitive. You reckon?

A woman came home with a guy to Kearney’s house and later claimed rape, not by Kearney. Does that make Kearney a thug? Maybe he runs with what gets described as a thuggish crowd and I never use the term to describe a crowd or the way a group looks, only to an individual that has committed a thuggish act. Too bad you can’t get past skin color and look at a person as a person.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

getalife,

This morning at Peachtree Dekalb airport there was a cloudless sky, but only a 3/4 mile visibility if that tells you anything.

By getalife

May 22, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

RW,

Dang, ya’ll need a storm for the rain.

Blow that smoke out of there.

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

According to steve-0 this guy is just a political pawn, NOT a thug.

{{{{{On October 26, 1974, Willie Horton and two accomplices robbed a gas station attendant in Lawerance, MA, and stabbed him nineteen times, and left him to bleed to death in a trash can. Horton was sentenced to life in prison.}}}}}

So what did this all around good guy do with his weekend pass?

{{{{{Less than year later, on April 3, 1987, Horton was in Oxon Hill, Maryland, where he attacked 28-year-old Clifford Barnes, stabbing him 22 times. When Barnes’ fiancce Angela Miller returned, she was gagged and raped twice by Horton. 6 months later on October 20, Horton was sentenced to two consecutive life sentences plus 85 years. The Maryland court system would not send Horton back to Massachusetts, out of the fear his being furloughed back onto the streets.}}}}}

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

getalife,

It was pretty nasty out, but probably not even a fraction of what those folks in South Georgia and North Florida are dealing with day in and day out.

We have a slight chance of rain tomorrow and then no other chance until at least next Tuesday.

By LuckoDull

May 22, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

{{{By Cut and Run Bushy Style/ AntiRadical May 22, 2007 2:29 PM Iraq plans for possible quick U.S. pullout BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) “…But two senior Iraqi officials told The Associated Press that Bush warned al-Maliki that Washington expected to see “tangible results quickly” on the oil bill and other legislation as the price for continued support.}}}

Spammie: Hey, you may not have heard the news in your goony little freak world but the only cutting and running going on is the democrats fleeing from the Iraq Surrender Plan.

You queenie libs got your as-ses kicked.

The U.S. armed forces are making plans to stay in Iraq for the next ten years or until they choke the live out of Al Qaeda.

And there is nothing you sniveling Cowards will ever do about it.

You don’t have the balls.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Observer

May 22, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Steve-O - Yes I am serious, and I also asked several Indian (Asian) friends and they were in agreement. Just as Arabs and Persians are considered dark-skinned caucasians, so are Indians. I pointed out that many from northern India are very light. My friend Girish stated that that proved his point. He noted that the color of the skin of southern Indians, Australoid peoples and Africans is only a matter of prolonged (mellinia) exposure to the sunlight anyway. He was amused by your oversensitivity by the way.

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

RW,

Tell me how I’m exactly race-baiting by raising a question about the usage of the term “thug”.

Again, you have shown that you are extremely intimidated by talking about race with someone of a different ethnicity.

It’s funny that you accuse me of not being able to get past skin color. Obviously the first thing that I thought when I met my girlfriend was, “Ima gets me a white gul!” You’re absolutely freaking pathetic, RW.

I’m sorry that I don’t fit into your little box of the “angry black man that blames whitey”. I know that’s where you want me to be, but I’m too old to be playing childish games with you. Enjoy the rest of your little Rush Limbaugh program this afternoon and be sure you take notes on how to deal with those evil “race hustlers”.

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

[[ I am black, but I am not so deeply hurt whenever somebody white notices bad behavior regardless of the color of skin, as long as its not because of the color. But a whole lot of us still consider any criticism of a black person by a white person to be racist.]]

Galactus: That is not my issue either. Wrong is wrong, no matter what color. Here in the south however, I noticed that WRONG usually is more emphasized by the color of one’s skin.

[[Danny Heatley’s incident was a drinking and driving accident and was reprehensible. However, the dead passenger made a choice to get in the car.]]

Scooter: Just like a repub to blame the victim!!!

[[You know DDR, I noticed you came in and immediately played the race baiting angle on me and have yet to condemn anything other than the conservatives on this Board. What’s new, right?]]

Scooter you called the man a THUG. Without him EVER BEING CONVICTED OF A CRIME. I don’t condemn anyone; just like I don’t jump to conclusions concerning someone’s guilt or innocence until I have all the facts and/or until they’ve been convicted. You might want to try that.

[[You tried to turn valid criticism over behavior into an argument about race, which is something that it is not.]]

Observer: Please recheck the post of your friend Scooter at 8:33 a.m. — here it is again in quotes {{“Hmmm, depict the southern country “redneck” as the frequenter of dog fights. Do we really think Vick’s dog fighting catered to southern rednecks, or to “hood rats” and thugs”.}} NOW tell me that I was the one to turn this blog into a “racial” freefall.

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Observer,

Oversensitivity to what?

Do you really think that people see Indians or Arabs as “white”?

(Do you realize that there is no biological basis for race?)[http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1998/02/23/MN94378.DTL&type=special]

By Observer

May 22, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

DDR - you were the one. Thug does not mean black. It means BAD. You played the race card, not Scooter. You made assumptions based on stereotypes. By for the day, I am out of here!!!

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

{{{By steve-o

May 22, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

RW,

Clearly, the Willie Horton incident was an example of race baiting tactics employed by Republicans. Show the face of a violent and deranged black man in order to scare suburban whites into voting for you.}}}

RW,

Did you happen to notice the part of my post that said that Willie Horton was a “violent and deranged” man?

Of course not. It would be too inconvenient for you.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

steve-0,

Just ignore my posts then. It’s obvious to anyone reading which one of us is caught up in the color of someone’s skin and which of us is concerned with the content of one’s character.

I defy you to scour the archives, read my blogs, or search my name for comments elsewhere on the internet and find a single time when I based whether an action was good or bad on race or ethnicity. Not only won’t you find one, you also won’t find anywhere I’ve ever based good or bad on political party. Good is good, bad is bad, a thug is a thug, and people are people. It’s really not that hard stevie, you ought to grow up and join us in the real world.

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

{{{By for the day, I am out of here!!!}}}

Observer,

Shiit! Don’t tell me you do that same “bye-bye” crap as our resident neoCONs.

Maybe tomorrow you can give us a full lesson on the dated science of eugenics.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

steve-0,

Yes I did notice where you said that and if you meant it because he was really violent and deranged I applaud you, but the reason that people say the Horton thing was race baiting was because he claimed to have been held for 20 days without being able to bathe or groom himself and was then taken to have his mugshot done which was for the purpose of making him look……wait for it……violent and deranged.

Could be a coincidence that you used the EXACT same wording, but I doubt it.

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

RW the republican party has already ADMITTED to using the Willie Horto ad as a means to incite republicans. It was called then and still is called the “Southern Strategy”. It’s still in effect, (the Harold Ford ad in Tennessee), and still effective.

To try to pretend otherwise is just trying to rewrite history.

It was called “the southern strategy,” started under Richard M. Nixon in 1968, and described Republican efforts to use race as a wedge issue — on matters such as desegregation and busing — to appeal to white southern voters.

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

RW,

But for the mere fact that I’m black, you jump on me for bringing up any racial issue. Racial issues still exist, RW. We’re only 40 years out from Jim Crow. Unfortunately, there are still some issues that need to be resolved. I’m sorry if you feel uncomfortable.

Whenever I bring up issues of race, I am in no way indicting a whole group of people. I just want people to think and respond. If you really and truly label a thug a thug and see past color, then good for you.

But somehow you don’t want to believe me when I say that I look past race. When I told you a few weeks ago about all of my white family members and friends, you disdainfully shrugged off what I said and still somehow labeled me as “hating whitey”.

If you want to be mature and have a conversation, no matter your opinion, then great. But if you want to act like a child and go into a rage just because you don’t like the topic being discussed, then I have no time for you.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

What do you idiot libs have against someone having the decency to tell you they’re leaving? Isn’t it nice to know when somebody is gone so you won’t ask them something and wait all afternoon for an answer.

It’s especially ridiculous coming from steve-0 who b!tched for a whole afternoon that Buy Danish wasn’t answering him after she had already told the blog she was leaving.

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

Observer: Don’t forget to “catch” that bus I was telling you about…..

By LuckoDull

May 22, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

A true lib, a bitter, backstabbing moonbat:

{{{Jimmy Carter, the man who makes Neville Chamberlain look like Dirty Harry, made his remarks about President Bush while promoting his audiobook series of Bible lessons for children. Jimmy, thou shalt not bear false witness against your president and country. Haven’t you done enough damage? If you want to see our worst ex-president, look in the mirror.}}}

Sick mofo.

Coward.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

DDR,

What does that have to do with whether Willie Horton was a thug or not?

By Funny pictures...

May 22, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

…of a moron

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

RW,

My use of the words “violent and deranged” was a mere coinicidence. Those two words are often used together anyways.

As DDR stated, the GOP and Lee Atwater admitted that the Horton ad was racebaiting.

By JNH

May 22, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

” but I did run into JNH falling all over herself to apologize to you and responded.”

RW- JNH does not ‘fall all over’ herself to apologize to anyone if she firmly believes she’s right. For example, some ignorant folks use the word ‘redneck’ lightly. I live in N Georgia (NO I’m NOT N Ga) and some of these village idiots (many with multiple degrees), believe if one lives 100 miles north or south of Atlanta, he/she must be a ‘redneck.’ I believe I mentioned earlier, that some who actually have a ‘rifle in the window’ and give the impression of being a “redneck” may simply be an ignoramus. It is not my desire to be offensive to anyone. I’m a “uniter not a divider.” Where have I heard that one? Y’all have a great evenint now…ya hear?

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

RW @ 3:45,

Cut the crap!

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

steve-0,

The next time I see you possessing the ability to have an adult discussion will be the first.

Perhaps if you didn’t view every issue as the white man (in this case the mainstream media) keeping down the black man (this time) by somehow labeling blacks thugs and whites as misguided without providing any evidence to prove your point I wouldn’t claim you were race baiting.

I frankly don’t care who you claim to have time for and who you don’t. The way you post here non stop I think you have all the time in the world.

Don’t get too upset, but I’m leaving now!

I’ll rejoin your little hissy fit at about 5:00.

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

RW — Steve-o used his NAME as an example of system that was effectively put into place. His NAME is synonymous with the “Southern Strategy”; NOT his guilt. It’s just like saying JIM CROW. Jim Crow laws, named for an antebellum minstrel show character, when the name is said you automatically know what reference is being made.

Steve-o was NOT saying that Horton was NOT a “thug” or a bad person, he was using his name to conjure up a PICTURE of a practice not a person.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this

JNH,

I get called a Southern redneck all the time here by those same people and their typical stereotyping. I’m from Boston, but I guess it doesn’t matter to people with preconceived notions.

Sorry to have had to involve your post to make a broader point, but I just don’t believe that thug is offensive when used to describe a thug.

Y’all have a good night now too, y’all!

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

DDR,

Maybe that’s my problem. When I hear the name of a brutal rapist and murderer I think of the victims, not the color of the criminal. I don’t think of the color of the victims either, by the way.

Got to run. Later!

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

RW: You are too bright to be deliberately obtuse.

By Fight,fight,fight

May 22, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

Oh boy! RW is about to challenge Steve-o to a fight. Last time RW wanted to fight someone they chickened out.

How about under the Big chicken at noon tomorrow? RW will be the skinny old white guy driving an old battered ‘74 Pinto Wagon with a ‘FairTax’ bumper sticker.

Conservatives rullllllle!!!

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

DDR,

Thanks, but RW will still choose to ignore the facts and act on emotion.

RW,

I have produced nothing but examples since 12:22. It’s you that chooses to ignore them and instead compare me to some stereotypical “race hustler”. But then again, it’s people like you that are so easily duped into believing everything the Bush administration says.

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 4:10 PM | Link to this

Did RW really challenge someone to a fight? Christ, the man is over 50 years old!

By @@

May 22, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

Oh my…Ahmadenijad is suspicious of George Soros..

During interrogations, Esfandiari said “the Soros Foundation has established an unofficial communication network and was seeking to expand it to follow on its objective to overthrow” Iran’s clerical ruling system, according to IRNA.

Oh well, I guess we may have that one little thing in common with you Achhhhh.

By IN THE NEWS

May 22, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

FROM BUY DANISH 5/18/07

””“”Here’s something positive to talk about - Under the direction of Secretary Gates, the military just signed contracts to purchase billions of dollars worth of MRAPS that withstand IEDs to replace the Humvees.”“”

FROM THE REALITY BASED COMMUNITY

The Marine Corps waited over a year before acting on an “priority 1 urgent” request to send blast-resistant vehicles to Iraq, DANGER ROOM has learned.

THEY JUST PLAIN DON”T GET IT

By IN THE NEWS

May 22, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

BREAKING NEWS NO LINK YET

Student at Falwell’s university arrested for planning napalm attack on protesters at Falwell’s funeral

NICE CHRISTIAN FACISTS

By Cindy

May 22, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Let’s try this exchange. Only a racist mind believes that black Americans cannot work out their own issues without getting Al and Jesse involved?

By Cindy May 18, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this No, RW, I don’t have to make it up. And Dusty, there were 4 African Americans in a “red” precinct that we know of. Hmm, how to prove this? Well, I won’t give out names, numbers and addresses. So go ahead and try your neocon best to discredit the truth; you haven’t a leg to stand on so your only option is to attack the innocent. By RW-(the original) May 18, 2007 1:30 PM Cindy, If four African-Americans were unfairly denied their right to vote in what I can only assume you mean was a Republican controlled precinct, believe me we would ALL know their names by now. It didn’t happen so quit telling your little fairy tale around intelligent people. By Cindy May 18, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this Sorry, RW, but it is the truth. And as long as you try to pull your propaganda pushing attempts to discredit me I will continue to state the truth. This is an actual fact. Why would you think you had an exclusive right to know about it? By RW-(the original) May 18, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this Cindykins, I wouldn’t have an exclusive right to know. If what you claim happened the whole world would know and Jesse and Al would still be marching them through town. If you want to live your little fantasy go ahead, but we all know it didn’t happen.

By Mike

May 22, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

It’s funny to see “brave” Luckovich bow at the altar of political correctness.

By getalife

May 22, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Told ya they are dangerous.

Who was he going to blow up?

Abortion clinic or gay bar?

Geez.

By DebbieDoRight

May 22, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

Cindy I don’t get it. Were you guys talking about voter rights? And which district did this happen in?

By Paul

May 22, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

steve-o 4:10

[[Did RW really challenge someone to a fight? Christ, the man is over 50 years old!]]

So’s Ah-nold.

Watch it - you’ll find as the years go by the idea of “old” keeps getting reset!

By LuckoDull

May 22, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

{{{“I don’t think there’s any way you can stretch saying whatever we decided to do in this legislation is a defeat, for heaven’s sake, look where we’ve come. We’ve come a long, long way,” Reid, D-Nev., told reporters on Capitol Hill.}}}

What a stuttering dimwit.

That ain’t what the Kos kiddies are saying:

{{{The Speaker or Majority Leader cannot force anybody to vote the way they personally wish. I cannot, however, sympathize when they present this ugly compromise as some kind of victory, as legislation that will do anything to curb Mister Bush. It is anything but.}}}

Isn’t it just so sweet, you pinko®s fought, lied and clawed your way to the top and it turns out your leaders are just as spineless as Denny Hastert was, hahaha.

Who can tell the difference between him and the Surrender Sisters Reid and Pelosi, what clues would we look for?

Do tell, y’all, do tell.

Cowards.

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By Paul

May 22, 2007 5:01 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS 4:21

[[THEY JUST PLAIN DON”T GET IT]]

I take it you mean Congress? They’re the ones who wrote the laws upon with Federal Acquisition Regulations are based. Soooo, maybe a letter to Congressman Murtha? Or… y’know, if the manufacturing base isn’t there, maybe we could seek a foreign manufacturer? Not: more of those pesky laws Congress likes to pass.

I’m still waiting for signs of ongoing competence from Congress.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

May 22, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

Let’s face it - Mike Vick’s family is southern, he’s the descendant of slaves and slave-rapist white trash. He is a product of the foul mess that is called southern culture. Degradation and torture of the less fortunate and dumb animals is quintessential to the southern way of life, there would be no southern identity if not for violent depravity.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

steve-0,

This is where I’m supposedly challenging someone to a fight.

{{{{{{By Blackadder March 2, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this Sometimes you can put up with mountains of bullsh!t, other times you can’t. Today is a can’t day. Today I’m sick and fricking tired of listening to the Right desperately try to tear down Al Gore and the Global Warming agenda that I want to punch someone. I can think of a few people in particular that I’d love to beat the ever living sh!t out of, but let’s just say that I’m not to particularly fond of any of them right now. This rant is for them. I’m sick and tired of you know-nothing idiots screaming “it’s all politics, it’s all politics” every time the science of Global Warming is brought up. You know what? Who gives a sh!t if it’s politics? Life is politics. Every time you try to convince your wife to get in the sack its politics but that doesn’t make it wrong. Or bad (well maybe for her if your one of the idiots). Politics is nothing but the art of persuasion and negotiation to achieve your desired goal. There is nothing that says the goal itself is untrue. Nothing. You don’t have any ammunition that counters the science effectively so you try to dirty the debate in the same vile, despicable way you do every debate about the public good. You disgust me. You disgust me when you claim it’s the Left’s “New Religion.” If caring about the truth and trying to save the world for my kid is a religion, then strap a bible on my a$$ and call me the Pope. What’s your religion? Rape, pillage and plunder? Landfill at will? Is there something in “your” religion that says Oil is a God given right, the planet is yours to fark up or it’s OK to be a selfish pr!ck? Is there? I don’t see it. I keep reading trying to find the answer in “your” religion that makes giving a rat’s a$$ about the welfare of the environment so bad. Guess what? I can’t find it. I see lots of stuff about being my brother’s keeper, being a good steward etc, but nothing on being a self indulgent a*hole. Point it out to me if you will. Sorry for the rant BUT I’VE HAD IT!}}}}}}

I offered to give the little punk an opportunity to act out his fantasy and he started crying, name jacking, and squawking like a mocking bird guarding a nest all the while running as fast as he could from that comment. Do you liberals ever deal in the truth?

By @@

May 22, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

An addendum to IN THE NEWS’ blast-resistant vehicles story.

Marines Skirt Procurement Maze to Rush Tougher Trucks to Iraq

Hell, there was an article from an army publication a couple of weeks ago, how Congress and their anti-war antics were holding up procuring those same vehicles.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

DDR,

That’s my problem with Cindy’s story which she has told several times. Supposedly these blacks were unfairly kept from voting by white Republicans and just let it pass, but when I and other conservatives have to go raise holy hell we get the barest of details and that they somehow worked out their problem quietly.

So it either didn’t happen or the details aren’t nearly as bad as what Cindy would have us believe. It’s pure sophistry for her to say I’m saying they would have to have called on Jesse and Al for help, because if it really happened and wind of it got out Jesse and Al would be there no matter what the voters had wanted to happen and I would be right there with them.

I can only conclude that Cindy made the story up and refuses to let it go. Perhaps it’s a friend of a friend story that she tried to improve on by making it first party and can’t face the fact that it never really happened.

By getalife

May 22, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Wow, where is the wall to wall coverage on this thwarted domestic terrorist attack?

Oh, it was just a wingnut.

Geez.

By @@

May 22, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Dadgum “war profiteers” who make those blast-resistant vehicles.

Who needs ‘em?

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

RW,

You clearly have a propensity for goading people to the brink of insanity. Blackadder said that he felt like punching someone, not that he was GOING to punch someone.

Obviously his comments were in the heat of the moment and he wasn’t going to take the time to drive to a meeting spot and attempt to fight you.

Also, thanks to Cindy’s 4:47 post, I’m beginning to identify a pattern in your reasoning regarding race relations and issues.

By Dusty

May 22, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

Hey,

I just got here and was reading the posts. Cindy, your reprint of something written by you on the 18th really has me puzzled. I don’t know what you are talking about.

Here’s what you wrote”Dusty,there were four African-Americans in a red precinct that I know of, ” and then you went on about my only option was to attack the innocent. WHAT??

I don’t know anything about four people in a red precinct, anybody in a purple precinct or uptown, downtown or all around.

The only thing I have attacked lately are two squirrels that constantly raid my birdfeeder. If you want to talk about “thugs and thieves”, you’ve got a pair right there.

Nevertheless, Cindy, you need to get your facts straight before you “attack”. If you don’t, I may tell my squirrels that you are one big nut!

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

OOPS

….conservatives have OFFERED to go raise holy hell….

By LuckoDull

May 22, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

{{{“I don’t know if he was fighting dogs or not,” Portis said. “But it’s his property; it’s his dogs. If that’s what he wants to do, do it.” Portis said dog fighting is a “prevalent” part of life. Portis, a native of Laurel, Mississippi, added: “I know a lot of back roads that got a dog fight if you want to go see it. But they’re not bothering those people because those people are not big names. I’m sure there’s some police got some dogs that are fighting them, some judges got dogs and everything else.”}}}

Gee, I wonder if Clinton Portis is a great big fat white redneck woman like the one cartoon boy luckobit-ch drew this morning^^.

Look at your boy’s cartoon closely, look at the way he drew the woman’s bulging fat and the cigarette dangling from the man’s mouth, tell me, does this pinko not just hate rural white folk?

Isn’t it just wonderful to know that these “elite” liberals look upon you as so much trash and think they are better then everyone else?

You know what I think, don’t you?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Paul

May 22, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

@@ 5:10

Thanks - that was the best article I’ve read on the topic I’ve read in a long time. It does take some heavyweight support to “skirt” those regulations, not to mention more than one person willing to stick their neck our. I’ll wager Congress still won’t change the laws.

So there’s no parts standardization, no longterm capability for integrating the equipement into the inventory? So what? I’m fine with buying them now, getting them over there now, and letting the Iraqis have’em when we leave. They’ll save a lot of our guys in the interim.

Are you sure this procurement mess isn’t Bush’s fault? (sarc)

By getalife

May 22, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

Here is the link for the wingnut terrorist

Geez.

By @@

May 22, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

ABC is covering the Falwell “bomber” story online.

steve-o:

I believe RW’s offer to meet up with Blackadder was done in humor. Blackadder submitted an overly emotional outburst out of nowhere that day.

I remember laughing, when RW offered himself up to calm Blackadder’s hysterics.

By getalife

May 22, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

Andy,

That couple in the toon are the people Portis is describing in Miss.

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

steve-0,

You seem to think you can read a lot of minds don’t you? I wouldn’t be surprised if you were the MIA Blackadder, except that he punches the clock everyday at 4:00.

Where did you get that I brought on that comment from Blackadder?

You wouldn’t recognize a pattern if it was biting you on the a$$. You decided the first day you encountered me that I was a redneck racist and you’ll never change your mind. It’s your loss, you might learn something if you opened your mind to people that had a different way of looking at a problem than you do. Oh, and if you weren’t so incredibly sanctimonious. With no evidence of any reason for your being that way I might add.

By the way, speaking of evidence when I said you hadn’t provided evidence you changed it to examples and claimed to have complied with my request. Was that an oversight or a deliberate lie? You see to show that you’re right you have to show EVIDENCE that backs your EXAMPLES.

By Scooter

May 22, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

Debbie Do Right Doesn’t condemn people?

Then here she/he makes the rash assumption I am repub simply because I respect an individuals liberty, but realize those liberties don’t come without consequences.

Then he/she acts like I cannot call someone a thug unless they have been convicted of a crime. What?

DDR, In your attempts to cast conservatives as racist you have lost track of what I said and what the toon is about. The toon is making a pc jab at Michael Vick’s recent dog fighting escapades. As far as I am concerned anyone who attends a dog fight can be called anything under the sun and I would prefer them be physically disfigured so that we can recognize them for the scum they are. I digress, my original post, which released unfettered condemnation and scorn from friendly DDR, simply asked who Vick’s dog fighting escapades were likely to cater to, “hood rats & thugs” or that old porch sitter ^^^^^^.

By @@

May 22, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

Paul:

Sure thing. I don’t know how similar those vehicles are to the humvees that were/are being used, but the military was experiencing problems with the door latches on the hummers. Maybe they wanted reassurances that the same problem wouldn’t come with the new vehicles.

I have no idea how similar the two are in manufacturing.

The major manufacturer’s/competitors were also having difficulty wooing workers from one another to meet the demand.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

@@,

Anyone that reads that thread that has a half a brain understands that I was letting Blackadder see how utterly ridiculous his little outburst was. These leftists here are either incredibly stupid or incredibly dishonest. More likely both and humorless to boot.

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

RW,

{{{By the way, speaking of evidence when I said you hadn’t provided evidence you changed it to examples and claimed to have complied with my request. Was that an oversight or a deliberate lie? You see to show that you’re right you have to show EVIDENCE that backs your EXAMPLES.}}}

You see, that’s what you do. You choose to see what you want to see. I did give examples in all of my posts, but you couldn’t address them in a civil manner. And yes, you really do bring out the ugly side in people. And yes, I do think that you’re bigoted because all I get from you is rage and ridicule if I bring up any issue regarding race.

You are the one that tries to pigeon-hole me into being a race-baiter. You know what? It doesn’t take a “race-baiter” to recognize racial issues.

I recognize differences in opinion, but I really think that you are insecure about others and that can’t bode too well for you. You shouldn’t live the rest of your life like that.

You gotta learn that whenever a black person addresses a racial issue, they’re not trying to castigate white people. You take things way too personal and you need to lighten up.

By steve-o

May 22, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

{{{By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

@@,

Anyone that reads that thread that has a half a brain understands that I was letting Blackadder see how utterly ridiculous his little outburst was. These leftists here are either incredibly stupid or incredibly dishonest. More likely both and humorless to boot.}}}

Fine, fine. We get it. Let’s please drop this.

By LuckoDull

May 22, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

{{{By getalife May 22, 2007 5:30 PM Andy, That couple in the toon are the people Portis is describing in Miss.}}}

Yeah, that’s great al-Gitmo, these two guys are black, one confessed, the other one got caught and it’s all about whitey.

Wonderful.

A conspiracy theory in every pot, eh?

You and luckobit-ch, two paranoid psychotics, geez.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

steve-0,

Let’s try something. If you EVER bring up something that doesn’t involve race we’ll see how I respond. I’m guessing you won’t be any happier because I don’t suffer fools quietly.

I told you if you google Romanowski+thug you’ll find hundreds of examples, but you ignored that. I’m not sure what constitutes mainstream media when it comes to Sports news and it’s entirely possible that you’re correct when you apply your color test to whatever outlet that qualifies in your mind. I don’t watch any sports news shows, but announcers during live games rarely call anybody a thug.

When you brought up Kearney I gave some background to the case.

Are you seeing any more patterns here? It seems that if you don’t like my responses you either demagogue them, call me a racist, or pretend I didn’t make the comment at all.

Why are you so quick to want to run from the Blackadder/fight discussion? You sure were quick to blame it all on me, but God forbid if little stevie starts looking like he jumped the gun it’s time to drop the discussion. You’re also the one that was awfully quick to assume I can’t take care of myself. Hasn’t anyone ever taught you that assumptions can get you in deep trouble? <———-See, I told you that you could learn from me.

By getalife

May 22, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the compliment comparing me with Mike.

By Paul

May 22, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

hey getalife,

I was in a “finer establishment” this afternoon and while perusing the shelves I saw a new (to me) premium vodka:

Bong Vodka.

Just thought you’d like to know -

By getalife

May 22, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

Bong Vodka is an old trick for smooth smoke like a fine Cuban cigar.

You just pour vodka in the bong instead of water.

Then you drink it.

Bwa.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

I always suspected gitmo was drinking his bong water. That clears up a lot.

getalife,

Why wouldn’t the House even allow a discussion on Mothra’s rules violation? Wasn’t this supposed to be the most open and ethical Congress ever?

By Paul

May 22, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

getalife

LOL - and with that, I’m gone. Not for the Bong - for a bit of the Nordic -

G’d evening, all -

By @@

May 22, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

steve-o:

I hate to get involved here, but I think you’re dishonest about your lack of bias when it comes to race.

(((Again…a darky speaks his mind and Ol’ Massa can’t take it. Well Ole Steve-o sho’s am sorry Massa. I don’t means to offend…especially de likes of you. Ole Steve-o promises to keeps his mouf shut, suh, when he’s ‘round white folk. But one mo’ question, Massa. I’s sho would like to see some articles referring to Mistuh Romanowski as a thug.)))

I was offended by ^^^ that, but for some reason, you think you have the privelege of disparaging blacks by posting in such bad taste. I’ve never understood those sort of differences.

(((However, I think there is also a certain undercurrent that allows for SOME to substitute other racial epithets for the word “thug”.)))

You want to determine WHO possesses that certain undercurrent.

(((You see, that’s what you do. You choose to see what you want to see.)))

Simply put…you do too.

(((I used to use the word all the time to describe rougher individuals, but now I shudder nearly every time I hear it because of hidden meanings and implications.)))

I also use it to describe teenagers with no ambition, who run in herds regardless of their color. I don’t “shudder” when I use it because I know WHO I’m talking about.

Do you want me to “shudder” like you because YOU think it’s a term disparaging to blacks?

Sorry, no can do. A thug is a jerk is a punk.

By getalife

May 22, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this

This is better than drinking bong vodka

I am going to file my taxes as an illegal immigrant.

Geez.

By getalife

May 22, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

Well, its official.

The Dems are the same as the gop.

Secret trade, immigration, Iraq and North American Union deals, done to sell out the American people.

God save America.

By getalife

May 22, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

Ooops, dems.

Geez.

By @@

May 22, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

A thug, is a jerk, is a punk…

…is a mafioso “wiseguy”, right Getalife?

(Insert smile here)

By getalife

May 22, 2007 6:49 PM | Link to this

paisan, fahgedaboudit.

By Scooter

May 22, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

Getalife, how much outrage can you take?

By getalife

May 22, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

I am done with outrage.

Don’t need another stroke.

I am going to take the Lou Dobb’s approach and just laugh.

The North American Union should bring us lots of great weed from Canada and they have Cuban cigars so what the hell.

“Bring it on.”

By @@

May 22, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

Dimentichi a questo proposito Getalife?

È stato sempre voi e me. Il mio cuore è rotto.

(sorriso dell’inserto qui)

By Scooter

May 22, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this

Getalife, Laughter is good, congratulations!

Maybe they will be bringing the goods up on the Super Highway? MUCHO!

Unfortunately, the political dance will continue and both parties will be partying to more political power. Power to stick it to us!

By Buy Danish

May 22, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this

I’ll just throw this out there.

Cannes - With not a single African film selected to compete for the top Cannes awards in a decade, is the world’s biggest film fest discriminating against movies from the continent, the African Filmmakers Producers Guild asked on Monday.

Or could it be the entries sucked? Or maybe they weren’t about hot topics like bestiality?

Could it have absolutely nothing to do with race or discrimination?

Who knows, but I’m sure the Justice Brothers would love an excuse to hop on a plane to Cannes.

By RW-(the original)

May 22, 2007 8:07 PM | Link to this

One of MANY.

I think the fairest suspension would be to allow Romo back when Marcus Williams is able to come back. If it is six games, then six games for Romo. But since Williams was placed on injured reserve by the Raiders after this incident, effectively ending his season, then what is good for the goose is good for the THUG ah I mean gander.

By At home in VA

May 31, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

Too funny. We love it!!!!