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Riding blind

By Mike Luckovich | Friday, May 18, 2007, 12:10 AM

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By LuckoDull

May 18, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this

Quick, name the president of the World Bank before Wolfowitz took over.

That’s what I thought, the only reason we care now is because, um, gosh, I wonder, could it be because of Bush?

Just maybe?

If any normal, well adjusted American was fully informed of what goes on at the World Bank, how the US foots a major portion of the bill, moneys that gets “loaned” to China and others that don’t need it, you would feel sick and probably puke.

And Wolfowitz was fighting that corruption.

So millions and millions continue to go to China for nothing in return, but hey, the libs get to hector Bush again.

Yay!

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{{{So, in that respect, this episode is a sign that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi lacks the requisite political skill to keep the majority together through conventional means. This resort to unprecedented means of thwarting Republicans would not be necessary for a speaker who knows how to call in her chits, or even has those chits to begin with. But let no one think that this episode is primarily about political tactics. It is a sign of the divisiveness of the agenda which the House’s Democratic leadership is promoting. The “100 days” is no Contract With America. From Iraq to taxation to terrorist surveillance, this leadership pushes a narrow agenda which leaves the moderate wing of the Democratic party in the lurch, to say nothing of Republicans and the few remaining conservative Democrats. This fact is made clearer each time a Republican motion to recommit cleaves off a few dozen Democrats who prefer a more reasonable approach.}}}

And claws off another chunk of democrat voters at the same time.

Define yourselves, liberals, “the most honest and open” Congress was just another load of crap.

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By LuckoDull

May 18, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this

This little article needs to be framed and sent to every Conservative in America:

The same goes for people who say they’re going to cast a protest vote for the Libertarian Party or Constitution Party. Let me tell you something — the Libertarian Party and Constitution Party are never going to catch on and the only thing they’ve ever accomplished was electing liberal Democrats by convincing conservatives to waste their votes. In fact, a person who doesn’t vote is smarter than a person who votes for candidates from the Libertarian Party or Constitution Party, because both people wasted their chance to impact who’s going to be in power, but the LP or CP voter wasted his time as well by standing in line at the polling place to do it.

{{{Although George Bush deserves credit for hanging tough in Iraq even though it would be easier to just pull out, he has become isolated from his base, is pushing a wildly unpopular amnesty bill, and he has allowed himself to be a hapless punching bag for the Democrats. Since 2006, watching the Democrats take on George Bush has been about like watching a pack of lions closing in on a herd full of lame antelope. They’re going for the kill, the Bushies are desperately running for their lives, and you want to turn your head away rather than look at the slaughter.}}}

It’s embarrassing but true.

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By Mrs. Godzilla

May 18, 2007 8:07 AM | Link to this

June 1st, Wolfowitz becomes eligible for some large financial bonus — for performance and time on the job. One estimate puts this figure at about $400,000. Wolfowitz wants to make sure those funds are credited to his private bank account before saying farewell to an institution that has come to despise him.

The man should have been fired.

For The World Bank, an institution dedicated to helping the all the poor on our planet, to allow him to resign and take the bonus money with him is disgusting.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this

Let him go either direction — just GO. Another Bush criminal goes down.

By SarahConnah

May 18, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this

Might this Loyal Bushie named Wolfie now be even more dangerous?

At least he was in the public eye at the world bank.

Who might the anti-christ appoint now?

Lord help us!

Curtsie!

By SarahConnah

May 18, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this

No LuckoDull!

It’s because the bastard was a architect of the bastard Iraqi war!

NOT simply because he was appointed by a bastard!

Curtsie!

By Paul

May 18, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this

LuckoDull

I take a different view of the 8:06. I don’t think any participation in the democratic process is “wasted.” Voting for a candidate or a position should be more than anticipating a potential winner and jumping on a bandwagon. It’s about affirming a principle. As far as swinging votes for a Democrat - plenty’s been written about if Nader hadn’t run and the votes had been cast for Gore (the assumption being anyone who’d vote for Nader was a disaffected Democrat, a position I do not accept) then Gore could have won.

Democracy - it’s about the mishmash of ideas.

By IN THE NEWS

May 18, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

{{{{{The reaction among World Bank employees at the news that Paul Wolfowitz, their president, will resign on June 30:

’ “Everyone ran into the hallways and were clapping and hugging each other,” one employee, who declined to be named, said. ‘}}}}

By test

May 18, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this

test

By Paul

May 18, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

G’morning, Goldie -

Last evening you wrote:

{{Past the extreme fundamentalists and on to the more mainstream, do people such as Iran’s Ahmadinejad go away? What’s America’s policy now?}}

[So Uber, what’s wrong with going after the real terrorists next? And why and how was the Cold War so successful (took a long time, but no countries had to be invaded and occupied), as compared to Bush’s War on Terrrrr and its results?]

“Going after (real) terrorists” is precisely what I think should occur. However, that’s not to imply we’ve been sitting on our hands, frozen into inaction because of Iraq. There has been tremendous progress since 9-11 - breaking up financial networks (terrorism generates and absorbs a tremendous amount of money), cooperation with other governments, operations in areas other than southwest Asia, actions by Mideast regimes against fundamentalists within their borders - but it’s not enough and doesn’t engage on enough fronts.

Regarding your Cold War question: (briefly - your comments could be the topic for a days-long seminar):

The Cold War was a between nation states embracing differing ideologies. The “war on (pick your noun, but it includes/implies Islamic fundamentalism)” is not. You’re correct, the CW took a long time - and the current struggle could take far longer. CW consisted of sides that could obliterate each other - that was one of the restraints. Islamists denounce any such restraint. CW had origins going back a few decades - War against Islamic Fundamentalists has origins going back centuries - the Islamic civilization against all others (not just the West).

Actually, there were numerous invasions and occupations during the Cold War - Czechoslovakia, Hungary, threats against Poland, Korea, VietNam, Afghanistan, proxy wars throughout Africa, assassinations of government leaders and engineering of coups to establish governments amenable to either side. It was a pretty violent time.

And the CW ended for numerous reasons. Some communists states morphed. Others (USSR) imploded for a variety of reasons. The ideology changed. The same can’t be forecast for Islamic fundamentalism.

By Jesus

May 18, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Every major election I work phone banks and often door to door canvassing. I’ve run across a remarkable number of people that like to participate up to certain levels in elections, but feel they shouldn’t vote at some higher level. Sometimes it’s an election for a Governor or a Senator, but most often it’s for the office of President. They simply feel they aren’t qualified to cast that vote, but want to vote for their local reps without being pressured to vote for the higher office.

It’s one of the reasons I was so sickened by Gore’s attempted theft of the Presidency in 2000 by discerning the “will of the voter” from unmarked ballots. Anyone that’s ever been heavily involved in the process knows full well that it was a bold faced lie that nobody would go to the polls and not vote for the top of the ticket.

To tie this into your point I think a lot of third party votes come from this very group that wouldn’t have selected either of the major parties so a fringe candidate like Nader probably had very little, if any, impact on the 2000 or 2004 elections. The Perot candidacy was a different matter and Clinton should be sending him a very nice Christmas gift every year.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

Paul @ 8:49— so the only way to go after terrorists is to bomb countries where they train, invade those countries and attempt to perform regime change?

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 9:02 AM | Link to this

Paul @ 8:49— I think a lot more can be done regarding going after “real” terrorists, more like pursuing criminals: infiltration, human intel-gathering, financial incentives & blockades, NO LONGER IMPORTING OIL FROM TERRORIST NATIONS… so much can be done and it can be done differently than using bombs and taking on so much “collateral damage” in the process.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

{{It’s one of the reasons I was so sickened by Gore’s attempted theft of the Presidency in 2000 by discerning the “will of the voter” from unmarked ballots.}}

RW — I’m sure you were even more sickened by Katherine Harris’ successful tactics in stealing the presidency for your guy???

By @@

May 18, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

Thanks LuckoDull!

I’ve always been well-adjusted, and now I’m better informed. James Wolfensohn. I googled.

So just like the U.N., we’re a major financial contributor to the World Bank, and SHOULD have someone on board to watch out for our investment. Sounds RIGHT to me.

It’s happy trails to Wolfowitz ml, and I like the way you have him exiting on the back of a “demdonkey”, leaving it’s usual “gaseous” trail in the second frame.

Inflicted with the “smelly vapors” aren’t they?

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this

{{but feel they shouldn’t vote at some higher level. Sometimes it’s an election for a Governor or a Senator, but most often it’s for the office of President.}}

Also RW— I’ve also worked a lot with voter registration and canvassing, and I have found that many voters do not bother to vote the local elections, but only show up to vote for their presidential choice every 4 years. So much for your premise that people won’t select a prez if they don’t feel “qualified” to vote.

By LuckoDull

May 18, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

{{{By Paul May 18, 2007 8:34 AM As far as swinging votes for a Democrat - plenty’s been written about if Nader hadn’t run and the votes had been cast for Gore (the assumption being anyone who’d vote for Nader was a disaffected Democrat, a position I do not accept) then Gore could have won.}}}

If you want to t** for tat, Bill Clinton would be an obscure Arkansas huckster if it weren’t for Ross Perot.

Which is exactly my point 1) As you can see by the monumental mess that the surrender sisters Reid and Pelosi have made of our legislative system in just a few short months, democrats do not need to be in charge of anything, they should stick to whining from the sidelines 2) “punishing” Republicans for their “mismanagement” or for being gay like Foley only results in Conservatives getting their as-ses kicked but I guess if it makes you feel better.

You know what I mean?

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By JP

May 18, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this

Yes, LuckoDull, Bush is embarrassing. And true. All I can say is, 01.20.2009 baby!

By Midori

May 18, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

OMG!!!

RW discovered voter fraud!!!

His projection knows no bounds

You do Rove proud.

By JP

May 18, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

Goldie, yes that’s the only strategy available against terrorists. We cannot even consider that any alternatives exist, less we “undermine” something.

Or at least that’s what the morons want us to think.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this

{{So just like the U.N., we’re a major financial contributor to the World Bank,}}

As well as not being “informed” about the World Bank, Boobs also doesn’t know the difference between a horse riding into the sunset (or sunrise) and a demdonkey, whatever that is…

By ummmm

May 18, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

Well adjusted??? Spending half of your life on a cartoon blog???? With Andy?

Me thinks you suffer from a major case of denial.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Katherine Harris did nothing but certify the election results.

As for your other point about top of the ticket voters that’s true and it’s why we have such a turnout difference when we’re electing a President. Most of those ballots don’t have votes for the down ticket elections though so that’s why it was such a ridiculous argument that if a voter voted for Democrat candidate X in a local race that voter must have meant to vote for Gore.

By Paul

May 18, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original)8:56

Well that’s a very good point. People who would otherwise stay home may find a third party candidate with whom they resonate and cast a vote.

Get ready for incoming on your Gore comments - but it does illustrate how, if you think you’ve got a pretty good idea on how to win an election, you’d better get the best lawyers you can. Spinning before the US Supreme Court is a far cry from spinning in front of a tv camera.

Goldie 8:56

I gather from your posts that your method of asking questions is not to imply the recipient has advocated such actions, but to ask if there’s agreement.

“The only way?” - not at all. “Bombing” (or cruise missiles) may be effective in discrete events (mission against the Iraqi nuclear reactor) and not in others as an attempt to influence a larger conflict (Clinton Administration’s targets for cruise missiles). I think there are many, many areas in which we need to engage - military, social, political - and it is not just against regimes, as witnessed by the difficulties EU countries (England, France) are having with nonassimilated Islamists. I could really open things up here and say, heck, even here in America where Islamic groups are seeking (and gaining) state sanction and funding for their observances while denying other religions or political groups equal recognition and treatment. But that’s on another tangent (US constitutional support of religion and subversion of constitutional prohibitions) vs extension of Islamic government, justice and social practices to nonIslamic states.

I’m afraid I won’t be able to engage as much today - I’ve deadlines and will be working the weekend. But I will scan through as I take breaks.

Cheers -

By Midori

May 18, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

Goldie: 16 percent.

That’s what we contribute to the World Bank, according to Neil King of the WSJ.

He’s on Washington Journal right now.

By Paul

May 18, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

Goldie - I just hit “Post” and turned my attention to NPR - Tony Blair’s being interviewed and discussing this very topic - engaging an ideology directly to defeat it. He included engaging by challenging the ideas - they do rebroadcast segments on NPR -

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this

{{Katherine Harris did nothing but certify the election results.}}

RW— are you full of shi-ite or just joking again?

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

Parrot,

Is 16% a minor contribution from a country of 300 million people in your view?

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Neither.

By Midori

May 18, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

I think RW has something to say to me, however, he is having a great deal of trouble expressing himself.

Here’s a hint: try to address people properly.

Until you do, you and I have nothing to say to each other.

By JNH

May 18, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

I agree Goldie (8:15AM). It doesn’t matter which way he goes. Just hit the street and start walking.

By Midori

May 18, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Greg Palast has done extensive reporting on the purges and scumbag tactics employed by the right during both sElection 2000 and 2004.

http://gregpalast.com/index.php

By @@

May 18, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

ummmmmm:

You might want to review the last couple of weeks to determine how many times I’ve posted here. I’ll bet it’s less than a dozen. You liberals?

I’m outside enjoying life, not sitting in here like you liberals just waiting to attack conservative views with your repetitive “inpoots”.

But hey…it’s your life…”f-art away”. I stopped sniffing the liberals’ posts here weeks ago.

Case in point! If I want to see what Daniel has to say, I edit for the word “aches” and THERE HE IS.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

The only problem with your Nation story is that nobody can find any actual disenfranchised voters. Well except the military ballots that Al’s army of lawyers had thrown out. Nothing like robbing the very men and women you want to have serve under you of their right to vote.

Now do you have any data on the tens of thousands of people in heavily Democrat distracts that are registered in both Florida and another state and whether they voted in both?

By RealConservative

May 18, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this

Uh-oh. Looks like the religious right still wants to strangle the Repug Party — how strong is their grip?

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Religious conservative leader James Dobson will sit out the 2008 presidential election if former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani is the Republican presidential nominee, he wrote Thursday in an online column.

Let him sit. Let all of his flock sit. They are killing this party. Good riddance.

By Midori

May 18, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

Goldie, here’s some for you

By Katherine Harris

May 18, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

“The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.” - Joseph Stalin

By @@

May 18, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

For some strange reason I can’t link this article here at ml’s. From CNSNews:

You liberals now have “job opportunities”.

“Anti-War Activists Are Getting Paid”

(((A coalition of liberal and anti-war groups, the organization is advertising online for activists, offering a “generous stipend” of $400 a week. More than 100 organizers will likely be hired.”)))

(((Some of these anti-war groups have regular morning conference calls with Democratic leaders in the House and Senate to discuss talking points, polling and strategy, according to press reports.)))

(((The coalition comprises MoveOn.org and the Center for American Progress — both heavily financed by billionaire liberal activist George Soros in 2004.)))

(((The summer campaign is a clear example of how the well-financed anti-war left is using the “Vietnam playbook to deny the troops the military victories earned on the battlefield,” said Kristinn Taylor, spokesman for the group Gathering of Eagles, which says it supports American victory in the Iraq war.)))

Yup, you can be paid $400 a week to undermine our troops security in Iraq. Hell, Osama may kick some of his funds your way.

I guess we can call you liberals “Sor-‘o War Who-res” now. Bought and paid for…

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

{{Let him sit. Let all of his flock sit. They are killing this party. Good riddance.}}

Very true, Real Conservative!

By IN THE NEWS

May 18, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this

‘Daily Voting News’ For May 17, 2007

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

{{For some strange reason I can’t link this article here at ml’s. From CNSNews:}} and

{{But hey…it’s your life…”f-art away”. I stopped sniffing the liberals’ posts here weeks ago.}}

Sniffing glue instead today, Boobs?

By IN THE NEWS

May 18, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

[ Silently, furtively, sheltered from cameras, the war on Iran has begun. Numerous sources confirm that the United States has intensified its aid to several armed movements with an ethnic base - Azeris, Baluchis, Arabs, Kurds: minorities that together represent about 40 percent of the Iranian population - with the objective of destabilizing the Islamic Republic. In this context, ABC television revealed in the beginning of April that the Baluchi group, Jound Al-Islam (“The soldiers of Islam”) which had just led an attack against the Guardians of the Revolution (about twenty dead) had enjoyed secret American assistance](

By IN THE NEWS

May 18, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

[ Silently, furtively, sheltered from cameras, the war on Iran has begun. Numerous sources confirm that the United States has intensified its aid to several armed movements with an ethnic base - Azeris, Baluchis, Arabs, Kurds: minorities that together represent about 40 percent of the Iranian population - with the objective of destabilizing the Islamic Republic. In this context, ABC television revealed in the beginning of April that the Baluchi group, Jound Al-Islam (“The soldiers of Islam”) which had just led an attack against the Guardians of the Revolution (about twenty dead) had enjoyed secret American assistance](

By IN THE NEWS

May 18, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

[ Silently, furtively, sheltered from cameras, the war on Iran has begun. Numerous sources confirm that the United States has intensified its aid to several armed movements with an ethnic base - Azeris, Baluchis, Arabs, Kurds: minorities that together represent about 40 percent of the Iranian population - with the objective of destabilizing the Islamic Republic. In this context, ABC television revealed in the beginning of April that the Baluchi group, Jound Al-Islam (“The soldiers of Islam”) which had just led an attack against the Guardians of the Revolution (about twenty dead) had enjoyed secret American assistance](

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

Goldie dear,

I know this is tough for you, but throwing out numbers of potential problems does nothing to prove your case. You have to have actual people that were wrongly denied their right to vote and turned away from the polls.

That Stalin quote from faux Katherine Harris up ^^^ there damn near came true when all those local Democrats were set free to “count” extra votes by bending cards and holding them to there heads like Carnac.

Quiz for the blog: How many votes did Katherine Harris count?

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

{{You have to have actual people that were wrongly denied their right to vote and turned away from the polls.}}

If RW would actually READ some news articles about the Florida election, he would actually read about “actual people” denied their right to vote! How ignorant must you be, RW?

By LuckoDull

May 18, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

{{{Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) threatened to deny any further spending projects to a Republican who challenged him over an earmark, the GOP is charging - a potential v iolation of House rules that could cause a spike in partisan tensions. Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), who challenged money that Murtha inserted into an intelligence bill last week, turned the tables Thursday night by saying he would call for Murtha to be reprimanded for violating House rules.}}}

Geez, I wonder how much of this Murtha has already pocketed.

He sure does seem upset.

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By rushncap

May 18, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

Soro War W*******? As spoken by the Queen W******* herself? Eeee-youch!

Wonder if Gonzo is going down next. I’d say there is maybe a 40% chance that he’ll want to spend more time with McNulty’s children before the end of summer.

By Katherine Harris

May 18, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

QUIZ FOR THE BLOG?

Name the folks pounding on the window?

By Cindy

May 18, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

Back to voter fraud. Last Nov. I posted how a good friend of mine was denied her right to vote in the 2006 elections. Apparently somebody purged her name and that of her spouse’s. They were sent off to another room while contact at the voting HQ was done to verify them. Oddly enough the phone lines to the HQ were not working. So my friend waited over an hour with another black couple while nothing got resolved and the polls closed. This occurred in a “red” district where the congressional race was very close. Her husband is retired military and has severe disabilities so it was an effort to get out to vote let alone go through this treatment.

Hey, did the US attorneys look into this? NO! Even after their complaint they have never been contacted.

You trolls and your propaganda will never convince me that this administration is not crooked. My experiences tell me neocons give the dems bad press for things they themselves are doing.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

Poor reading-challenged RW— try the opening paragraph here of my previous link @ 9:45:

TAMPA — Kelvin King was turned away from the polls here in November when records showed that he was ineligible to vote as a convicted felon. County election officials learned days later that King’s civil rights had been restored eight months earlier.

It’s written in plain English — let me know if there’s any words you don’t understand. Glad to assist!

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

Katherine Harris @ 10:11— those names escape me now… was one of them Scooter?

By Fed up

May 18, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Is there any way to ban LuckoDull from this blog?

By rushncap

May 18, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

I guess “Who-re” is an inappropriate word. Whoda thunk it?

By Katherine Harris

May 18, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

COUP 2K

REQUIRED READING

By test

May 18, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

test

By getalife

May 18, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Told ya wingnuts are dangerous

Willard (Yes, that is his first name) Romney is right. We do need to double Gitmo for the wingnuts.

Geez.

By Spinster

May 18, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Gonzo will be gone by next weekend, but as Sarah Connah mentioned earlier, now Wolfowitz will be out of the public eye and can work in the shadows again like Rove. He can go back to doing what he does best — being a rat.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

Cindy,

Because of the minuscule numbers of people turned away in 2000 there are provisional ballots available. Why didn’t your friends cast one?

Goldie,

WOW! Two names that never complained until WAY after the fact. Let’s add them to Gore’s column. Now can we go back and count those military ballots? How about if we go uncount all those ballots that didn’t have a vote on them at all yet somehow got counted as Democrat votes?

The “mob” you speak of was preventing Florida Democrats from counting the ballots hidden away from public view in violation of Florida law. You should be applauding them.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Geez, getalife— I think that Willard is definitely a dictator-in-training… even his guy W says that Gitmo should be closed. Willard out-dictators even W. Geez.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

Fed up,

Could you give us any reasons why you want LuckoDull banned from the blog?

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this

{{Because of the minuscule numbers of people turned away in 2000 there are provisional ballots available. Why didn’t your friends cast one?}}

Please let everyone know how many “provisional” ballots have ever been counted, RW — thank you in advance.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

All of them.

You’re welcome!

By test

May 18, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

test

By IN THE NEWS

May 18, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

{{{{What American ‘conservatism’ has become fits closely within the definition of fascism: an intensely nationalist movement intent on defining membership in the ‘nation’ on linguistic, religious, and (increasingly) ethnic/racial criteria, accompanied by an unquestioning loyalty to (male) authority, enshrined in family leaders, business leaders, religious leaders, and especially, the leader of the nation, who is seen as embodying the Nation. Loyalty to the Party or Movement and its ideology is of great importance. Violence is the preferred means of accomplishing goals. Diplomacy, compromise, negotiation, are all identified with (feminine) weakness. The rule of law is also despised, because it lacks the immediacy of (violent) action, and its emphasis on balance and its concern with proper procedure is also seen as a sign of (feminine) weakness.

This is the outcome of the bargain the GOP made with the Devil back when it decided to go for the Wallace voters after the ’68 and ’72 elections. Kevin Phillips has repented a hundred times over for counseling the Southern Strategy, but too late. The GOP has discovered that when you sell your soul to the Devil, the only question is when does the Devil come to collect? Well, he’s come.}}}}

By test

May 18, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

test

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

All dictators know that the Red Cross is a terrorist-appeasing organization:

GENEVA - The International Committee of the Red Cross said Tuesday U.S. officials have failed to address concerns about significant problems in the treatment of terrorism suspects held at the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Romney will make a fine upstanding dictator-candidate for the Repug primaries.

By LuckoDull

May 18, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

{{{By Fed up May 18, 2007 10:20 AM Is there any way to ban LuckoDull from this blog?}}}

The libs at the Urinal try to every day.

The last run they took at me was for “profanity,” like I’m the only one that ever gets rude. I thought that one was funny, seeing how Polly, the AJC’s personal oozing open sore, has probably never been even warned.

They didn’t laugh along with me.

You sniveling Cowards can only deal with me by silencing my as-s which is prrof positive the Conservatism rules over liberalism.

Look at Blinky Pelosi shutting down debate in Congress because of the terrible as-s whooping the Cons were putting on her.

She got hysterical, lost it, caved freaking in, was exposed fo the dimwit that she and all you candy as-s pinko®s really are.

You know what I mean?

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By Dusty

May 18, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Much waste of time and effort here today…(‘specially the cartoon.)

Liberals are STILL counting votes from 2000 AND 2004!! (Psttt..it is now 2007.)

BIG LIBERAL NEWS!!!!! Katherine Harris STOLE the 2000 election. Liberals think that SpiderMan helped her, but are still searching for evidence. (Chads hanging by spider webs!!)

Midori still playing “private eye” on 2000 elections while “working”.

IN THE NEWS posts same article three times to be sure we see it.

Sweet little liberal Sarah Connah calls President Bush the Anti-Christ. Also introduces the word “bastard” into the blog. Curtsie!!!

Mrs. Godzilla knows how to run the World Bank and will be glad to tell them how to run it.

IN THE NEWS gives us an article about arresting AG Gonzalez. Just one problem. Gonzalez has never been convicted of anything.

No comments on Tony Blair’s great parting speech yesterday in the White House Rose Garden. He talked about loyalty and steadfast convictions. Too bad you liberals missed it. SOMEBODY ought to tell you liberals what that means.

By IN THE NEWS

May 18, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

{{{{{You sniveling Cowards can only deal with me by silencing my as-s which is prrof positive the Conservatism rules over liberalism.}}}}

Petition To Ban Paul From Debates

By LuckoDull

May 18, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

At least Baghdad isn’t locked down:

{{{BALTIMORE - A city council leader, alarmed by Baltimore’s rising homicide rate, wants to give the mayor the power to put troubled neighborhoods under virtual lockdown.}}}

Geez.

When are we going to cut and run from Baltimore??

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Paul

May 18, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

Goldie

That Red Cross article re. Guantanamo illustrates opinion vs. fact. Much of what IRC opposes is based upon their opinion. It’s like saying “hot” “pretty” “nice” “large” “fast” have any objective meaning. “Torture” is one of those words. A few sentences into the article was this:

“…Red Cross officials have “made their view known” that the indefinite imprisonment of suspects at Guantanamo amounts to torture…” I don’t know how they come to that conclusion. People wanted Geneva Convention protections - in this case they got them. GC provides prisoners are held until the cessation of hostilities. That’s what we’re doing! Now the IRC calls that “torture.” Nothing’s ever going to satisfy them.

I didn’t see Mitt Romney’s name anywhere in the Red Cross report. You really have a thing for him, don’t you?

By IN THE NEWS

May 18, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

AND DUSTY THINKS WE GIVE A SH1T

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

You didn’t ask how many provisional ballots were later determined to be valid you asked how many were counted. Every precinct knows how many provisional ballots were cast, therefore they were all counted.

You’re not very good at this are you?

By Midori

May 18, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Hey Dust for Brains,

I thought you were leaving the blog.

Typical republican trash - always butting in when you’re not wanted.

You gripe about taking your ball and going home, yet you keep coming back to smell up the place with your noxious fumes and equally smelly nonsense.

Hey Dust for Brains - why is your hero threatening to veto a small pay raise for the “troops” that you and he claim you care so much about?

I’ll be back later to check your response.

Toodles!!!

By Paul

May 18, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS 11:05

Regards the petition to ban Ron Paul from the debates, is that like the Democrats’ decision to exclude Fox News from the Democratic debate forums because they don’t like Fox’s views? Ron Paul is a Republican. He has differing views that some want to squash. Fox News is a media outlet. They have differing views that some want to squash. Same difference.

By LuckoDull

May 18, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

{{{By IN THE NEWS May 18, 2007 11:05 AM Petition To Ban Paul From Debates}}}

Prop: When have you ever heard me whine about letting Paul speak, I’m actually in favor of it, it gives the men like Guiliani the opportunity to stomp his guts out when he says something bizarre.

He’s like our little red headed step pinko®.

Look up^^ yon way for upclose and personal whining about me.

You know what I mean?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

That People for the Socialist Way article you linked at 11:03 is hilarious. They are whining and crying that ballots cast in the wrong precinct might not be counted.

Isn’t that what you guys wanted Ann Coulter sent to Gitmo for?

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

{{I didn’t see Mitt Romney’s name anywhere in the Red Cross report. You really have a thing for him, don’t you?}}

Paul— the link was an addendum to Getalife’s link re: Romney’s views on Gitmo:

Some people have said we ought to close Guantanamo. My view is we ought to double Guantanamo.

Hence my link to the terrorist-appeasers, the Red Cross…

By Ray

May 18, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

Silly libs…in 2000 we elected the Cheney administration - and it’s working just fine. Be grateful for the beautifully capitalistic society in which you reside.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

{{is that like the Democrats’ decision to exclude Fox News from the Democratic debate forums because they don’t like Fox’s views?}

Paul— do the Dems have no right to determine the news outlets they want to sponsor their party’s debates? I don’t personally agree with the Dems’ decision on this, but I think they have a right to choose which media outlets should sponsor their own primary debates.

By getalife

May 18, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

That is funny banning Ron Paul from telling the truth and crushing the destroy our country party’s candidates.

Al Gore just came out with a new book and the wingnuts will do the same to him.

See a trend here?

Now that we have weeded out the the cons from the dangerous wingnuts, it will be easier to send them to Willard’s double Gitmo.

By Cindy

May 18, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Leave it to a propaganda pusher like RW to blame the victim, when that victim is a democrat. You should be outraged that a political group would so deny a citizen’s rights. This is an outright attempt to discourage the vote, provisional ability or not. Oh, I forgot, the constitution means nothing to you; it is party uber alles.

Yes, lets count those military votes! Folks, these neocons think they have a majority in the military, but that is not true.

By getalife

May 18, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

More corruption

We need a non political AG ASAP.

Then we will need a triple Gitmo.

Geez.

By Paul

May 18, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Goldie 11:20

Thanks - didn’t catch that. Gitmo’s carries a lot of baggage. Question is, though, if we close Gitmo, where do we build new prisons to house the people we capture? Or do we not house them anywhere? I think this is the classic NIMBY (not in my back yard) case.

11:25 Sure they do. But putting it the way they did maintains the fiction that Fox is “conservative” while all the other outlets they use (MSNBC) are “neutral.”

I rather think the Dem’s decision comes across to many that the candidates want to avoid “hard” questions. Chris Wallace wasn’t exactly lobbing softballs to the Rep candidates. That just leads to the “if they can’t stand up to Wallace or O’Reilly how can they engage Putin or Ahmadinejad?”

Personally, I rather admire people who go into the lion’s den. Tom DeLay went on The Colbert Report last night. (Altho with DeLay that’s about as far as I’ll take it -). Kerry’s been on O’Reilly’s show numerous times. Such courage (Colbert was funny, but he had some veiled barbs) increases respect.

By rob

May 18, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

test

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

So we know that Romney will shine as a dictator-in-training for the Repug primaries regarding torturing those held in Gitmo… I’m wondering who will out-dictator the other candidates regarding the proposed immigration bill from the Senate?

Numerous public opinion polls over the last two years have shown that Americans favor an approach that gives current illegal immigrants a means to become legal and, if qualified, to earn citizenship. House Republicans who have rejected that approach as too lenient are clearly out of sync with most of their fellow Americans on that topic.

Will it be Duncan “the Wall” Hunter, or maybe Tom “America’s going-to-hell” Tancreado, who will really shine as the Repugs’ ultimate dictator-candidate?

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

People should take the time to know where their polling place is and whether they are properly recorded on the voter rolls. It’s called personal responsibility and I believe the last time you came crying to us with that story every single conservative here said they would be on your side and speak out on your behalf if you could prove some nefarious plot to stop your friends from voting.

As of now all you’ve done is waited a few months and recycled the same allegations with no proof or even evidence that any wrong doing took place.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Kerry and O’Reilly were childhood friends. It would show a little more of Kerry’s alleged bravery if he would answer questions from Hannity or even John Gibson.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

My apologies Goldie, my 11:45 was for Cindy.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

{{But putting it the way they did maintains the fiction that Fox is “conservative” while all the other outlets they use (MSNBC) are “neutral.”}}

Also, Paul— you know who Rupert Murdoch is, yes? The owner of Fox News? Surely you’re not claiming it is “fiction” that he vigorously promotes a conservative viewpoint in his “news” outlets and tabloids?

By getalife

May 18, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

DeLay is an idiot and still thinks the gop did something in their years of majority rule. Blaming liberals for his failures. Coward.

Loser.

Gitmo is in Cuba to bypass our laws.

If you wingnuts would turn off Faux and pay attention to the hearings, we would not have to explain obvious facts to you idiots.

Read something besides propaganda.

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

This one is for you!

Romney is taking a pretty hard line against the proposed immigration overhaul.

I think he’s making a mistake. If the provisions are enforced in the order in the proposal I don’t think it’s such a bad deal. I would like to see a change to the benchmarks making them dependant on results rather than just having X number of agents on the payroll, but it’s not a bad compromise.

By Paul

May 18, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

Goldie 11:43

Okay, I’m really interested in this. What should be done with Gitmo? Remain open? Closed? I closed, then hold them where? What should be done with terrorists we capture? Should those captured in combat be held and treated differently than those who aren’t? What standards of treatment should be afforded combatants? How long should they be held? What American legislation should be modified?

Lots of tough questions here. How that relates to Romney as “Dictator” I don’t know how saying doubling a facility’s size makes him a dictator. hillaryclinton.com is silent on this issue. I didn’t see it addressed on Sen Obama’s either. Pity. The official Democratic Plan “Real Security: The Democratic Plan to Protect America” is silent - but it does say they will “destroy terrorist networks” and “end the threat posed by the Taliban.” No mention of how to handle combatants. If I was a wise guy I’d guess Democrats are for battlefield executions - capture, kill and move on to the next target. That way you don’t have to deal with prisoners.

Just kidding. But so far it’s been presented as “For Gitmo = dictator” “Close Gitmo = Swell Person” with no discussion of “Close Gitmo = Now What?”

Break’s over - later

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

OK— looks like Tancreado very quickly wants to out-dictator the other Repug candidates:

Block amnesty plan; it’s a slap in the face

Is he advocating the deportation of 12 million immigrants who have been living and working in America for years? Or just putting them down in Gitmo, too?

By Dusty

May 18, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Mush from Midori@ 11:11,

Try to keep up, little one. I left yesterday. Today is ..well…today!!

Have you counted any 2000 votes this morning? It’s getting late. (Cindy knows of ONE that got missed. They may have also found ONE in Idaho.)

That “threat” to veto you brought up? Liberals must be acting up in Congress again, adding piggy-like pork and time lines on funding bills.

But, of course, “Bush did it!”

In the meantime, let’s SUPPORT THE TROOPS AND THEIR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF!!!

By Paul

May 18, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Goldie 11:53

I was not stating Fox is conservative, liberal or neutral. I was pointing out as fiction the allegation of some that one outlet is of a particular ideological stripe while all the others, expecially those they use are reference, are neutral.

Personally, I like the Brit system. Their newspapers glory in their particular biases.

By Midori

May 18, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

Dust from Dusty,

what next? ashes?

By Spinster

May 18, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Let’s support our troops by bringing them home and ousting our commander-in-chief.

By Midori

May 18, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Crusty,

I knew you couldn’t answer my question.

Now go home and get your shoe box.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

{{Okay, I’m really interested in this. What should be done with Gitmo? Remain open? Closed?}}

How about we don’t keep “those terrorists” that we can’t prove are terrorists at all and send them back to their own countries to be dealt with? And the other 2 or 3 remaining terrorists can be installed right here in some of our own American prisons — say, in a cell right next to where Scooter, Abramoff, and Cunningham et al will be housed?

And why try to keep such secrecy regarding what’s going on in our prison down in CUBA?

By getalife

May 18, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

Fuax freak Paul,

Dems do not watch that propaganda channel. Why in the hell would they want to debate there?

Get over it loser.

Geez.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

{{Personally, I like the Brit system. Their newspapers glory in their particular biases.}}

Paul— and Rupert Murdock is one of the “Brit system” conservatives.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

{{Let’s support our troops by bringing them home and ousting our commander-in-chief.}}

So true, Spinster! And besides, even W admits that he’s not really commander-in-chief anyway. He wants to install a new “war czar” to do his job!

By getalife

May 18, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

Back to wingnut wooten’s musty.

By Truthman

May 18, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Another reason to never trust the cops.

I thought their motto was “To Protect and Serve???”

http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nydailynews.com%2Fnews%2F2007%2F05%2F17%2F2007-05-17copsspiedonhippies_hiphoppers.html

Oink! Oink!!!

I smell bacon!

By Dusty

May 18, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Haven’t you heard? Liberals are now going to promote another amnesty program.

All prisoners at Gitmo will be adopted by compassionate LIBERALs. Goldie and Getalife are going to take two a piece.

Gore has said that this will remove the carbon footprints from Cuba and he will adopt a “Gitmo illegal” as indentured servants for each one of his mansions.

Edwards has promised haircuts for each adoptee. Kerry said he might change his mind and Kennedy said “Not on Cape Cod!”

Pelosi will give several terrorGits top line jobs at her tuna factory. And Reid winked and said he would let them enjoy the “tourist industry” in Nevada.

Red Cross will review this plan as soon as they can leave New Orleans in 2020.

Don’tcha love it??

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

I thought when we sent terror suspects back to their own countries you libs had a cow over that too.

By Paul

May 18, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

12:11

I believe the objective is to release those who weren’t engaged in terror activities - but how effective the system is is open to discussion. I won’t quibble with numbers, but I’d imagine there are more than a few who’d remain.

Careful about sending them back to their home countries. Those are the same circumstance all the angst over rendition was over. Egypt, Saudia Arabia aren’t exactly keen on those fundamentalists want to overthrow the regime. If you want to see real torture, sent the inmates home (I’d imagine their authorities would want to “make sure” they aren’t a threat).

I’m not keen on housing them in the criminal justice system. They’re not criminals and we should keep the systems separate. Again, if you want them to die slowly and painfully, turn them loose in the prison population.

getalife 12:12

You may want to check a few independent surveys to affirm “Dems don’t watch Fox.” Be sure to break it down by program - results vary greatly.

As I said - Republicans face Chris Matthews on Fox and Chris Matthews on MSNBC. Democrats face - only a more receptive audience and questioners. Doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.

I’ll watch both parties’ candidates no matter where they appear and evaluate the toughness of the questions and the quality of the responses. Especially from a moderator who says “Thank you for speaking. Now will you answer my question?”

BTW - are you seriously maintaining that no other channel shows any ideological bias? Really? Really?!!?

By getalife

May 18, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

And there is musty ‘s intellect.

Geez.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

{{I would like to see a change to the benchmarks making them dependant on results rather than just having X number of agents on the payroll, but it’s not a bad compromise.}}

RW— you can complain that all we liberals do is “hate anything Bush”, but that’s not the case for me personally. I actually agree with Bush that we need to treat those immigrants with dignity who have been living here, working and raising their families— here because they are looking for a better life and don’t want to starve in their own country.

By @@

May 18, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Goldie:

This had to be one of your “dumber” statements.

(((How about we don’t keep “those terrorists” that we can’t prove are terrorists at all and send them back to their own countries to be dealt with?)))

In the interest of national security, it’s necessary that the “proof” SHOULD be pursued before they’re released.

By Paul

May 18, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Dusty 12:23

LOL! Thanks!

I wondered why Gitmo had prisoners doing cooking and cleaning (Gore) and learning how to shave and trim hair.

They won’t take Pelosi’s tuna jobs. Their meals in Gitmo are worth more than what Dems wanted to pay Samoan tuna fishermen.

By Truthman

May 18, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

That Kooky Westboro Baptist Church, you know, those nutcases who protest at soldier’s funeral because God hates homosexuals?

Well, they’re going to protest at Fatboy Falwell’s funeral!!!

Ha, Ha, Ha!! They’re made for each other!!

http://pageoneq.com/rssfeedstuff/index.php?id=12605

Read ‘em and laugh!!!

By Cindy

May 18, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

Propaganda Pusher RW:

Last week I was pumping gas when the tank overflowed and gas spilled out on me. When I informed the clerk of the defective pump she said they always tell their customers not to rely on the automatic shutoff. I had been to this pump before and did expect to have a problem. Again blaming the victim. When I notified the company of the incident, including clerk’s remarks, the made things right. RW, you sure sound like a gas station clerk rather than a manager.

All. RW’s comments on voting sure has opened my eyes on how so many get their constitutional right to vote denied. Apparently there are actually conservatives who do things to make it harder for certain people to vote. I think its time to bring the voter registration folks of the 1960’s back to the South to make sure rights aren’t denied.

By getalife

May 18, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

Well, I see the Democratic candidate in Egypt was locked up and beaten. Democracy in the ME is a wet dream.

Can’t lose that ally.

The MSM is corporate owned Paul.

Get real.

Geez.

By Spinster

May 18, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

Dusty, It’s your commander-in-chief pushing for the amnesty program, he and his corporate fascist buddies knows we need all the illegal immigrants to keep the price of labor down.

All those McMansions in Gwinntt County are a prime example of how we need cheap labor in this country. After all, if illegal immigrants hadn’t built all those nice pretty mansions with sub-standard materials, where would all the soccer moms live? Those illegal immigrants created a whole new sub class of people who could not afford the luxuries they have today without them.

Your commander-in-chief and his fascist corporate buddies know this, that’s why they are pushing this bill.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

{{They’re not criminals and we should keep the systems separate.}}

Paul— so, those who we claim are “not criminals” should be kept indefinitely in a prison without representation? Where’s the evidence showing who’s a terrorist and who isn’t? And in America, even suspected criminals get a lawyer to help prove their guilt or innocence… what’s to stop your neighbor from claiming you’re a terrorist simply because he has a dispute with your dog pooping in his yard day after day? Should you be locked away in Gitmo for years because you might be “a terrorist” instead of a criminal???

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

{{In the interest of national security, it’s necessary that the “proof” SHOULD be pursued before they’re released.}}

Talk about Dumbo, Boobs — exactly how long of a time-frame do you allow that “proof” to be pursued, 5 years? 10 years? 50 years? Please give us your best dumb answer yet — as a torture-pleasing American!

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

Cindy,

A faulty gas pump is the same as not bothering to make sure you’re on the voter rolls?

Gawd you’re an airhead.

By Paul

May 18, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

Goldie 12:34

Criminal: violated state or federal laws. Processed through criminal justice system.

Enemy combatant/prisoner of war/terrorist/unlawful combatant: engaged in war against us (yes, OBL did declare war against us in the late 1990s but in our arrogance and ignorance we didn’t take him seriously).

Like I said, you wanted Geneva Convention protections, you got’em. They’ll be held until cessation of hostilities. I believe that’s a life sentence. Last time I read the Articles, I couldn’t find any mention of rights to lawyers or other legal counsel. I’d say the Administration’s obliging your concerns pretty well.

By Mike D

May 18, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

It’s amazing how so many Americans will refuse to face the fact that this president and his cronies have done a terrible disservice to this country and it’s military. Where to start….sending troops without the body armor and armored vehicles, deplorable conditions at Walter Reed, miles of red tape for the casualties and now, no pay raises or more money for widows….As a veteran, I am appalled and angry. So, go buy yourself another Support the Troops sticker, keep watching Fox Noise, and everything will be just dandy…unless you or a family member is in the military…

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAmerican

By @@

May 18, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Goldie:

I’ll agree with you on speeding up the process Goldie, but it may be difficult since the Democrats want to redirect intelligence funding to global warming issues.

By MM

May 18, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Ah, day after day I realize how pathetic the rightwingnuts are.

Fact after fact of White House corruption is thrown in their faces and they just ingore them, then bring up an irrelevant subject.

According to them, democrats are responsible for everything from toenail fungus to solar flares.

By LuckoDull

May 18, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

{{{By Truthman May 18, 2007 12:31 PM That Kooky Westboro Baptist Church, you know, those nutcases who protest at soldier’s funeral because God hates homosexuals? Well, they’re going to protest at Fatboy Falwell’s funeral!!!}}}

Yeah, “tRuthy” that is funny:

{{{Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr. (born November 13, 1929) is the pastor and leader of the Westboro Baptist Church (WBC), Phelps has run in various Kansas Democratic Party primaries five times, but has never won. These included races for governor in 1990, 1994, and 1998, receiving about 15% of the vote in 1998.[31] Support for Al Gore. Phelps supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic Party primary election.}}}

You gonna protest too, Coward?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

{{I’ll agree with you on speeding up the process Goldie, but it may be difficult since the Democrats want to redirect intelligence funding to global warming issues.}}

Ha! That was a really great dumb answer — hat’s off to you, Boobs!

By Cindy

May 18, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

If you’ve voted there before, you expect to be able to vote there again; yes, like the gas pump.

By Ann Coulter

May 18, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

“People should take the time to know where their polling place is and whether they are properly recorded on the voter rolls. It’s called personal responsibility…” RW

DARN! Wish I had thought of that!

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

{{Criminal: violated state or federal laws. Processed through criminal justice system.}}

So, it seems like anyone who is threatening Americans by bombings and killings shouldn’t be treated as criminals, like Eric Rudolph and his friends have been, but instead we should be shipping our home-grown terrorists down to Gitmo, Paul?

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this

[{{{{Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr. (born November 13, 1929) is the pastor and leader of the Westboro Baptist Church (WBC), Phelps has run in various Kansas Democratic Party primaries five times, but has never won. These included races for governor in 1990, 1994, and 1998, receiving about 15% of the vote in 1998.[31] Support for Al Gore. Phelps supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic Party primary election.}}}]

I’m sure that’s information that you wrote up yourself for Wikipedia, Dull-Man?

By getalife

May 18, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

“What we need to realize is that the infamous “Bush bubble,” the administration’s no-reality zone, extends a long way beyond the White House. Millions of Americans believe that patriotic torturers are keeping us safe, that there’s a vast Islamic axis of evil, that victory in Iraq is just around the corner, that Bush appointees are doing a heckuva job — and that news reports contradicting these beliefs reflect liberal media bias.”

The base † and I thought they were paid trolls but they actually believe this bs.

Amazing.

By Hey, Moron

May 18, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

Luck,

David Duke is a Republican. And unlike Phelps won elected office running as a Republican. Does Duke being a Republican have any more or less meaning than Phelps’ alleged Democratic preference?

It would appear that the difference is that Republicans actually vote for their nut cases.

Idiot.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

Hi Annie,

According to Goldie’s links you ought to be able to vote anywhere you want and make those people getting $50.00 for a twelve hour day watching the polls sort it out.

Cindy,

Again, if they had been voting in every election and were suddenly purged for some nefarious reason we’ll be on your side.

Since this is the second time you’ve trotted out this story and you’re very weak on detail I think you’re making this story up just as sure as you’re making up getting doused in gasoline last week.

By @@

May 18, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

O.K. Goldie, back to your passion for voter fraud issues. The same passion you have for the terrorists at Gitmo…

Why have the Democrats been so opposed to national voter IDs? Why would Republicans support them if they’re out there committing voter fraud as you suggest?

Do you realize that many prosecutors have said they are afraid to pursue election irregularities because they fear being accused of racism and aiding voter-suppression tactics if they pursue touchy fraud cases.

Since, according to steve-o, 90% of African Americans vote Democrat, it would appear as though they’re SELF DEFEATING when it comes to voter fraud.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

This from “Wikiliaty.com” (another encyclopedia site that allows ANYONE TO EDIT THE TEXT) about Fred Phelps:

Fred Phelps is a Beautiful Republican God Bless America

So, Dull-Guy, Phelps is all yours. You should be so proud!

By getalife

May 18, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Of course, these are the same gullible believers who believe in televangelists who can touch you and cure your cancer.

They send thousands to email scamers in Nigeria.

They believe God spoke to w and told him to genocide.

They believe in the rapture.

In other words, you will never get these believers to see reality.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

It looks like LuckoDull also hacked the Kansas election results page.

By Ann Coulter

May 18, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

I knew I was breaking the law but I just had to give it a go anyway. My time is precious and I couldn’t waste it driving to my proper polling place.

I sure am glad you and all my other Republican friends acknowledge that and wouldn’t dream of taking me to task over it.

By @@

May 18, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

I think this is a gay website which confirms Phelps’ membership in the Democratic party.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

{{O.K. Goldie, back to your passion for voter fraud issues.}}

Dumbo-Boobs, what does your question about national ID cards have to do with the Repugs’ stealing of the 2000 election?

I guess it’s too much to ask that you give an even dumber answer to top your last one.

By getalife

May 18, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

Make no mistake, Phelps is pure, 100%, Fartwell (I hate f*) wingnut.

They switch if they think they can win.

There is one here running for Governor.

BTW, Mann’s FBI boyfriend (ewwww) let her get away with her crime.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

I guess Fred Phelps would be an equal to those other wacky politicians, such as Zell Miller and Sonny Perdue, who used to call themselves “Democrats”, but never really were — it’s a Southern “Dixiecrat” thing.

By Cindy

May 18, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

No, RW, I don’t have to make it up. And Dusty, there were 4 African Americans in a “red” precinct that we know of. Hmm, how to prove this? Well, I won’t give out names, numbers and addresses. So go ahead and try your neocon best to discredit the truth; you haven’t a leg to stand on so your only option is to attack the innocent.

I am now on to the neocon voting game. You can believe that in ‘08 there will be posters throughout the neighborhood and signs in my local Family Dollar, hardware, and grocery window with instructions and phone numbers to verify being on the rolls whether or not you voted in the same place in the last election in English and Spanish to include the right not to be intimidated. I will also note that a “charge” of a felony is not the same as a “conviction” so vote, vote, vote.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Maybe you should take it up with Goldie and Cindy that you should only be allowed to vote in your proper precinct.

By LuckoDull

May 18, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

{{{By Hey, Moron May 18, 2007 12:57 PM Does Duke being a Republican have any more or less meaning than Phelps’ alleged Democratic preference?}}}

I thinking peering into the windows of an insane asylum is the real issue here, but if you want to pin this looney Phelps on someone, guess what?

He’s all yours.

XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX.

By getalife

May 18, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

Exactly Goldie.

You have to keep in mind that these posters never accept responsility for their Fartwells, Robertsons, Dobsons or Phelps.

They are wingnuts, pure and simple.

Own them wingnuts.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

Wasn’t it Phelps’ state of Kansas that up until recently was still teaching that the sun revolves around the earth in its science classes? Sounds very Republican to me.

By getalife

May 18, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

RW,

Hell, gas is so high now, people will not be able to afford to go vote.

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

{{{{{so vote, vote, vote.}}}}}}

And therein lies the problem with the Goldie/Cindy method of voting anywhere you want with or without ID.

Vote early Vote often as they say!

Cindy,

If four African-Americans were unfairly denied their right to vote in what I can only assume you mean was a Republican controlled precinct, believe me we would ALL know their names by now. It didn’t happen so quit telling your little fairy tale around intelligent people.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

Getalife @ 1:27— I don’t understand why the trolls won’t accept Phelps as one of their own… they seem to have no trouble at all accepting the likes of Tim McVeigh and Eric Rudolph, who really acted upon their vision and beliefs, instead of just blowing f@g-hate to the wind like Phelps does…

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I thought Pelosi and Reid promised to fix that gas price problem. Does it keep surprising you what failures they are? You must be very naive.

By @@

May 18, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Well Goldie, I was kinda waiting for you to answer mine first.

Why do the Democrats consistently oppose national Voter IDs? How does that serve to aide legitimacy in voting.

Even better…why do prosecutors steer clear of investigations fearing that they’ll be accused of racism?

If you want to continue to cry over spilled milk, be my guest. It just makes you look childish like Al Gore did in 2000.

By Cindy

May 18, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

Sorry, RW, but it is the truth. And as long as you try to pull your propaganda pushing attempts to discredit me I will continue to state the truth. This is an actual fact. Why would you think you had an exclusive right to know about it?

By getalife

May 18, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

True but when the Dems get total power in 08, there will be more Rudolphs, Chos, McVeighs carry out their domestic terrorism and the wingnuts will cheer them on.

This is why I say they are dangerous.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Cindykins,

I wouldn’t have an exclusive right to know. If what you claim happened the whole world would know and Jesse and Al would still be marching them through town.

If you want to live your little fantasy go ahead, but we all know it didn’t happen.

By Paul

May 18, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Goldie 12:55

Islamic fundamentalists.

I don’t believe Eric Rudolph qualifies.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

{{If you want to continue to cry over spilled milk, be my guest. It just makes you look childish like Al Gore did in 2000.}}

Dumbo-Boobs, you should tell that to all of our military families who are suffering today because of your guy’s insistence on “regime change” for the wrong country! You’re even more than childish for continuing to support to this day W’s disasters brought upon America and the rest of the world.

You may not like Al Gore simply because he doesn’t put an (R) next to his name, but you would seem less childish if you would stop making excuses for your guy’s failures. Many “real conservatives” understand what a big problem W has created for everyone in America today. You’re obviously not a real one.

By getalife

May 18, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

RW,

50 states asked Ganzo to investigate big oil and it was declined.

Who is naive?

Geez, wake up man.

w is getting ready to lose the executive branch with the Dems calling for a no vote of confidence on Ganzo. Brilliant move forcing the gop to vote against w. He will resign instead.

A Waxman hearing on big oil is long overdue.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

{{Islamic fundamentalists.

I don’t believe Eric Rudolph qualifies.}}

Paul, so because Rudolph is a Christian fundamentalist terrorist, he should be treated differently?

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

{{50 states asked Ganzo to investigate big oil and it was declined.

Who is naive?}}

Getalife— I’m waivering between “naive” and “dangerous”, as you posted @ 1:27, regarding some of these trolls…

By getalife

May 18, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Your answer to the Gitmo question lies where the wingnut terrorist Rudolph is housed.

Supermax.

By @@

May 18, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

Goldie:

I don’t think I’ve ever made excuses for George Bush. He’s made, and acknowledged his mistakes.

Retaliating for an attack on American soil wasn’t one of them.

Hell, if Al Gore hadn’t held Bush up on his cabinet appointments we may have been able to……oh nevermind. You don’t want to hear anything unless it’s Bush bashing.

By IN THE NEWS

May 18, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

The Axis of Uh-Oh

By Ann Coulter

May 18, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

That’s why our side will continue to win. We don’t take each other to task for breaking the law or just plain being immoral.

You loser liberals cab cry and whine all you want but we look out for our own no matter the offense.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

I think Romney should make an example of Gov. Gibbons and proclaim that he would send him to Gitmo if he were president.

By Rob S

May 18, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

test2

By @@

May 18, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

and BTW Goldie your response at 1:42, in no way, answered my question on Voter IDs and why the Democrats continue to oppose them.

But you looked real cute “blondie”.

By getalife

May 18, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

How about dangerously naive or just plain ignorant?

I have to go smoke lunch now.

Geez.

By Truthman

May 18, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Bush has never acknowleged a single mistake…EVER!!!

Remember the 2004 Presidential Debates - the one where The Chimperor was wearing a wire - he said “I haven’t made any mistakes.” It was the last question asked of the candidates that evening.

Do a little sanity check before you post, @@@@@@@@@@

By Paul

May 18, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Goldie 1:45

Is this payback for me having a little fun earlier? :)

One more time. Eric Rudolph. American citizen. Murderer. Okay, wacko in his beliefs. Violated federal and state criminal statutes. His “beliefs” were essentially irrelevant. “Beliefs” are not a defense or justification for murder.

Khalid Sheik Mohammed. Islamists captured in Afghanistan or Malaysia. Not US citizens. Part of an ideology/civilization that justifies murder to advance their ideological agenda. Not charged as criminals by the Justice Department (in spite of the fact Khalid told captors he wouldn’t talk until he was flown to New York and could meet with his attorney. Was severely disappointed.). Were not charged under US statutes for murder, conspiracy, speeding or jaywalking.

C’mon, you know the difference. Funtime’s over.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS,

It appears that the Dems are running scared if they are retracting all the domestic spending bribes they offered avocado farmers and the like as incentive to sign the emergency funding bill for the Iraq War.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

{{I don’t think I’ve ever made excuses for George Bush. He’s made, and acknowledged his mistakes.

Retaliating for an attack on American soil wasn’t one of them.}}

Once more, Boobs — explain to us all how your excuses ^^^ have anything to do with OUR OCCUPATION OF IRAQ. Like I said, your guy decided to perform “regime change” on a country that was not an imminent threat to America. Big mistake… and he still won’t take the action necessary to save lives, because he’s “steadfast” in his continuing mistakes.

By Paul

May 18, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

getalife 1:53

Anyone who’s compared incarceration procedures with Supermax and Gitmo would take Gitmo in a heartbeat.

And given what some of those guys in isolation did, I do not have any sympathy for their circumstances.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

Getalife— I’ll check back in after I’ve finished today’s bottle of Chardonnay.

By getalife

May 18, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

Yes Paul,

KSM aka “knuckleball” admitted to all terrorist attacks after being tortured.

Come on now, it is ridiculous.

You believe in God talking to w and telling him to kill and torture.

Geez.

By Paul

May 18, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish 2:01

Rather gives new meaning to the word “buyout” doesn’t it?

Is it legal to rescind a bribe if it was offered in legislation?

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

{{Islamists captured in Afghanistan or Malaysia. Not US citizens. Part of an ideology/civilization that justifies murder to advance their ideological agenda. Not charged as criminals by the Justice Department}}

And not serving as any country’s military combat troops, either, so not justifying raging war against their countries of origin… why exactly are we in IRAQ now?

By Paul

May 18, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

getalife

Now you “know” what I believe when I’ve never addressed it? Been hanging out with Apocalypse? Goldie’s a better bet to hang with - better sense of humor and she still some Chardonnay left.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

{{Bush has never acknowleged a single mistake…EVER!!!}}

Truthman— you forget that W did say that he never should’ve said “bring ‘em on!”, but that’s pretty much the extent of his confessions and asking for forgiveness. Like his silly cowboy words would be the most terrible thing he’s done to America.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

{{But you looked real cute “blondie”.}}

Are you a lesbian, Boobs? :>)

By leftylady

May 18, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

RW, You have proven yourself a true racist. How would Sharpton or Jackson know about my friends? Just what is your accusation here?

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Smoke this.

John “Goombah” Murtha accused of rules violation

By @@

May 18, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Truthman:

MSNBC headline January 11, 2007.

“Admitting strategy error, Bush adds Iraq troops”

Error = mistakes.

Goldie:

A whole bunch of Democrats still support the decision to oust Saddam. After that was done we couldn’t very well leave a vacuum now could we?

Bin Laden is sending Al Qaeda into Iraq. That’s why they call Iraq the “front” on the war against terror. Of course, Al Zarqawi was already in Iraq, but he’s dead now, remember?

By Paul

May 18, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Goldie 2:10

You must be pretty good at “Twenty Questions” - especially the version where the answers are glossed over.

I didn’t address Iraq. I’ve generally regarded that as a sideshow (chew on that for a while - ).

Real quick:

US citizens: Constitutional protections. Criminal justice.

Enemy combatants captured: not too many years ago, tortured, executed. Same for wives, kids, countrymen. Some years back (can even trace to Catholic Church during Crusades) beginning of laws of armed conflict.

“Modern” times: international agreements to be applied to soldiers who are sanctioned, dress a certain way, conduct warfare in a certain way. Members of state’s military forces. Operate outside of bounds of agreements, agreements don’t apply (act as if surrenduring, then attack, can be executed).

Now: as you described. Members of ideology/civilization calling for destruction of the West. Not members of a nation’s armed forces. Operate outside laws of armed conflict. Repudiate said standards.

How to handle?

We’re lurching towards it. Went from criminals with Constitutional protections to POWs with Geneva Conventions (‘cause we’re Americans and we’re nice) to the Detainee Act - which is still evolving. I’ll bet the next battleground will be noncitizen Islamists captured in US while killing civilians. How to process them?

So I gather from your question you’re all for attacking the country of origin of a terrorist? Hmmm. What about if the Islamist is American?

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

{{You must be pretty good at “Twenty Questions” - especially the version where the answers are glossed over.}}

I’ve never claimed to have “the answers”, Paul — do you? And if you do, why do you keep asking me? Is it because you really want my OPINION, or are you wanting answers?

By Midori

May 18, 2007 2:27 PM | Link to this

OH……MY……..GOD!!!!!!!!!!!

Murtha SHOUTED at someone!!!

Call the National Guard!!!

The Marines!!!

The Crypt Keeper!!!!

Guidra!!!!!!!

oh, the HORROR!!!

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

I have to step out now — the Volvo needs a washing. Hope to check-in again around 6:00 or so…ta-ta!

By Bosch

May 18, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

@@, I can tell you why the Democrats are against voter ID - BECAUSE IT’S A WASTE OF TAXPAYERS MONEY, that’s why.

The only rampant voter fraud that has gone on in this country in recent times was in 2000 down in Florida.

Other than that, there isn’t a need for a uniform voter ID. There are many forms of identification you can provide when you vote, it’s worked fine for many years, and it will continue to do so.

By Jeff Sheridan

May 18, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

Now i’m just a student cartoonist here at my paper here at the University of South Florida, and i frequently peruse these blogs every few days, but i haven’t been motivated to say anything until now.

First of all, LuckoDull, you couldn’t have said it better, right from the start.No one could have said anything, and the point wouldn’t have needed to be driven home any more. However, everyone else has to say something, and that something turns out to be completely unnecessary. Sorry to be a buzzkill, guys, but the majority of the responses, despite a couple clever points by Goldie, are unoriginal and things we’ve known for years.

YES- the Bush administration is corrupt. YES- the war was started under false pretenses and only got worse from there. And YES- Peloski is doing a very sour job at capitol hill. I compare it to someone who had a sex change operation trying to put on the facade that they still have cajones.

Now please, don’t comment for the hell of it. Think before you type!

By @@

May 18, 2007 2:41 PM | Link to this

Goldie:

No, I’m not a lesbian. I was just exercising a little “diplomacy” when I like…you know…called you “blondie”?

By getalife

May 18, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

You know Mr. Murtha is getting to the whiny gop.

What a great leader.

Now I got the munchies .

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Midori,

As I recall that was the reason the Democrats in the Senate wouldn’t confirm John Bolton.

btw, in the spirit of civility, I’m not going to follow your lead and call you out for responding to a post that was addressed to someone who is not named “Midori”.

By Rudy

May 18, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

for prez

By getalife

May 18, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Hey Jeff,

Post your toons so we can see how clever and original you are.

By @@

May 18, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

Bosch:

It’s rather convenient to selectively choose Voter ID as the ONLY proposal that would waste taxpayer’s money.

I can think of lots of ways the government wastes our tax dollars, but national defense isn’t one of them.

As far as “forms of ID goes”, I guess that would include the fraudulent ID that “undocumented” workers have access to?

One tamper proof ID would do it for me. If you’re not in support of it, then quit crying foul when it comes to elections.

In the November elections, there were GOP candidates who would have been justified in calling for a recount but they didn’t. They’re above that kind of childish behavior. They gracefully conceded.

By getalife

May 18, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

Is this you Jeff?

Oracle cartoon misrepresents senators

Re: Editorial cartoon, by Jeff Sheridan, Oct. 19

When I first saw the cartoon on Thursday, my first reaction was to laugh. My second reaction was to realize how sad it was that with all the stuff going on in the world, the Oracle staff decided a cartoon about my resignation was more interesting.

I’m flattered that you all think so highly of my position, but give me a break. Not one Oracle staff member called to ask why I had resigned or about the other issues involved.

The cartoon was misleading in that it made Student Government senate leadership look like quitters. I resigned after all University-wide committees were staffed with the appropriate number of students for the first time in years, possibly ever. I resigned after setting several projects in motion and will be working with my successor to make sure there is a proper handoff of responsibilities. I resigned to focus more on my classes and so I would not be neglecting the duties of my position.

Although I enjoyed the 50 phone calls Thursday, please take five minutes next time to get the story straight.

By Advice for wingers

May 18, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

Take heed and reduce the pain

By N-GA

May 18, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I really don’t think the issue should be the closing of Gitmo. Heck, they can incarcerate these people wherever they want. Personally I don’t think we should tell the world where they are because that might encourage some of their friends to…..how about Area 51?

Whatever. The real issue is how do we treat them. I don’t understand why people say only US citizens have rights under our Constitution. Personally I think that is B.S. that has been excreted in order to deflect statements from those who believe that they do (or should) have those protections.

Then we (the Administration) decides to re-interpret the Geneva Conventions. And we restrict their access to legal representation. And we give them a “life sentence” (to borrow from one of your posts) and they haven’t even been tried and/or convicted.

If this was happening to your brother or sister, I suspect we would see another point of view from you.

By getalife

May 18, 2007 3:07 PM | Link to this

Here are Jeff’s toons

By Dusty

May 18, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

Oh my goodness, the things you learn on this blog.

Rudolph is an Islamist terrorist (and I thought he was an atheist from North Carolina). You never know what’s in them thar hills.

Goldie and other “troop-supporters” don’t know why we are in Iraq. (Perhaps a cordial visit to the friendly terrorists of Anbar province in Iraq might help.)

Cindy works in a gas station and is learning to work the pumps. Spilled gasoline. (Bush did it, Cindy.)

Midori (and Murtha) didn’t know there were any RULES in Congress. That may be true now that Pelosi is in charge.

Liberals will not adopt Guantanamo terrorists so I guess the Oklahoma-bomber-type punishment is necessary. ZAP!

Now, a student CARTOONIST from South Florida wants to cure the blog of “things he’s known for years”. Great!! Out of the mouths of babes!

In the words of Governor Sonny, “Shut up, kid” or we will raise your tuition, cut your allowance and bring your car home. And as you said, that’s “just for the hell of it.”

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

He’s a good artist but his cartoons are not funny.

By Ever wonder...

May 18, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this

…why the Democratic candidates look to be comprised of a cross section of Americans and the republican candidates are a bunch of stuffy old white men?

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

leftylady Assuming you’re Cindy you said they were African-Americans being denied voting rights by Republicans. Would I really have to be a racist to know Al and Jesse would be involved?

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

Ever wonder,

Do you ever wonder why your party if comprised of loons who think Gitmo terrorists should be treated like “your brother and sister”?

By getalife

May 18, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

BD,

Not bad and he uses a Tom Toles small devil character.

He is a Goldie fan but his take on Andy (LuckoDull) is hilarious.

By Jesus Christ

May 18, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

She who wrote these words…

Do you ever wonder why your party if comprised of loons who think Gitmo terrorists should be treated like “your brother and sister”?

Is in big trouble with me.

All men and women are our brothers and sisters.

Tough but true.

Learn to love your brothers and sisters or risk the fires of hell for eternity.

By @@

May 18, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

Ever wonder why left-wing racists would automatically assume that Republicans wouldn’t support Michael Steele’s run for president?

Based on what I’ve heard from him, I hope he does run at some point.

Hell, Al Sharpton ran for president on the Democratic ticket. Democrat’s didn’t elect him because….?

By Midori

May 18, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

“double, double, toil and trouble”

regardless of what you type, I only see the above words.

By Bosch

May 18, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

@@, No, I’m not SELECTIVELY choosing that ONE thing that wastes taxpayers dollars. Yes, there are lots of things that are wasting our taxpayer dollars, Iraq, for one.

I was simply answering the question that you kept asking from your earlier posts.

So, @@, how many undocumented workers voted in the last election? Do you have any facts or statistics to proove that or is that just your PARANOID opinion? I don’t think there was a rush of illegal immigrants at the voting stations. They were busy processing chicken nuggets.

People like you just make up lies [i.e. rush of illegal immigrants voting] just to try and get people stirred up but have no proof to back it up. Think about it for a minute? If you were an illegal immigrant would you go to a voting station and vote? Hell no you wouldn’t, because you would be afraid you’d get caught and deported.

Also, where in my last post did I mention national defense? And when have you heard one Democratic candidate say they would not increase spending for national security?

By Midori

May 18, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

I suppose the same reason right-wing racists assume Republicans won’t support Michael Steele’s run for president?

By Cindy

May 18, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

LOL, RW. Yes, we are one and the same. And yes, that assumption shows a racist mind at work.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Honestly I didn’t have a clue what he was talking about since he didn’t reference a specific post. He needs to take his own advice about thinking before typing.

Midori,

If that’s all you see how are you reading my “typing”?

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

{{{By Midori

May 18, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

I suppose the same reason right-wing racists assume Republicans won’t support Michael Steele’s run for president?}}}

You have to have a mindset that views everything through a prism of race, gender and sexuality to think that way^^^.

When I look at Michael Steele I see a conservative, and that’s all I need to know.

By @@

May 18, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Bosch:

You misunderstand. Fraudulent IDs are easily attainable. That was the point I was making. Do you remember when you were under the legal age to drink in college?

I had one. I even used it when I was stopped for speeding once. The officer was none the wiser.

By Ever wonder...

May 18, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Do you ever wonder why your party is being run by loons who never accept responsibility for the laws they break?

Also do you ever wonder why people like you look the other way and allow it to continue?

And do you ever wonder why your life is such a dull boring existence? Must be true. you’re here day after day arguing with and insulting people you’ve never met. I’d like to see you use the tone you use here with someone in person.

By Ever wonder...

May 18, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

@@ is but one of many republican lawbreakers. It even brags about it.

What a sick bunch.

By Apocalypse

May 18, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

@@,

You know a great deal about fradulent IDs don’t you? Especially the use of more than one.

By Tom "I AM the government" Delay

May 18, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

“I got NAILED by Colbert”

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

Ever Wonder,

Ever wonder why people doze off when you talk?

By Bosch

May 18, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

Shame on you @@, no I didn’t have one, because I’m an upstanding citizen and do not break laws.

Again, where’s your proof that illegal aliens using fraudulent IDs are swarming and inundating our voting booths and screwing up our elections?

Again, paranoid lies.

By Thank you Mr Bush

May 18, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

Gas prices

By Apocalypse

May 18, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Why don’t you let @@ defend herself? After all, the two of you are separate distinct persons aren’t you?

By Thank you Mr Bush

May 18, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

for the hospitality

By IN THE NEWS

May 18, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

The Week That Was 5/18/07 Another week. More preposterousness to report.

ALL YOU FINE LIBERALS AND PROGRESSIVES HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

Apocalypse,

My comment had nothing to do with @@ and everything to do with Midori and Leftist thinking in general.

Why don’t you try playing that game of junior Clue that I found for you.

By @@

May 18, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

Bosch:

You’re not looking too good in your persistence to “miss the point”.

Don’t forget, I’m not complaining about voter fraud. That’s usually done by the losing party, but yet they can’t offer any proof.

I really don’t recall a Republican candidate ever doing so even when they did lose. I could be wrong though. There may have been a rare exception, but it couldn’t compare to the number of times the Democrats do.

By Apocalypse

May 18, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

@@,

Republicans usually blame some minority group’s influence(homosexuals, for example) for their defeats. Which leads to them preaching that America is going to hell in a hand basket unless they are in charge..

By Ever wonder...

May 18, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

…why Gonzales’s fellow graduates from Harvard Law School’s Class of 1982 took out a full page ad in the Washington Post to express their dismay that their highest profile alumnus appears to have the least grasp on constitutionality and legal ethics. That’s gotta hurt.

By @@

May 18, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

Apocalypse:

I sure do know about multiple IDs; I used to vote Democrat.

My schizophrenic guy friend in college got it for me so I could accompany him to the bars. He voted Democrat too.

By Apocalypse

May 18, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

@@,

What’s your position on multiple partners?

By Jeff Sheridan

May 18, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

ooo @@, that must mean that ALL democrats are schizophrenic law breakers, too!

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

Ever wonder what role political correctness had in Gonzales’ appointment?

Ever wonder how much better it would be if we chose people based on ability not their race, gender or surnames?

By @@

May 18, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Gosh Apocalypse, I’m gonna have to tell that to the great gay guy who helped me plant my vegetable garden. He lives intown and doesn’t have room for a garden. He wanted to know if I’d share my garden space with him.

He wouldn’t accept my offer though unless he could help me with the preparation and planting.

He’s a conservative.

My my, but you do make assumptions about conservatives, don’t you?

Your game here has become rather boring, so I’m off to the grocery store.

By Bosch

May 18, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

No, @@, I’m not missing the point, you aren’t making any sense.

I’m glad you saw the light, changed your party, and became a law abiding citizen. Too bad your fellow Republicans in Washington can’t follow suit.

Once a criminal, always a criminal, now you are just a Republican criminal.

By IN THE NEWS

May 18, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

Watergate Without the Break-In

By Apocalypse

May 18, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

Bilemovement Danish,

Ever wonder what it would be like to have a president who actually cared about the people who voted for him?

Ever wonder how effective government would be if we didn’t have to worry about attorneys getting fired because they didn’t play ball?

By Bosch

May 18, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Buy Danish, I do wish that we would chose and elect people based on ability, if that were the case, we wouldn’t have the idiot we have now for a president and we wouldn’t be in this mess in Iraq.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS,

More shameless politicking that appeals to the uninformed.

Here’s something positive to talk about - Under the direction of Secretary Gates, the military just signed contracts to purchase billions of dollars worth of MRAPS that withstand IEDs to replace the Humvees.

By IN THE NEWS

May 18, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

Here’s something positive to talk about - Under the direction of Secretary Gates, the military just signed contracts to purchase billions of dollars worth of MRAPS that withstand IEDs to replace the Humvees.

MORE SHAMELESS POLITICKING THAT DOES NOT APPEAL TO SMARTY FOLKS WHO WONDER WHY THEY DIDNT FREAKING DO IT FOUR G@D DAMN YEARS AGO

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

Bosch and Apocalypse,

Um, do you idiots understand the difference between people who are elected and people who are appointed?

Now, consider this:

If Hillary was President in 2000 (and had been elected for no other reason than that she is a woman and was Bill’s wife, but I digress) the odds are that she would have taken the same action Bush did, and the same Congressmen who voted to authorize the war under Bush would have voted for it under Hillary.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

Cindy,

You’re the one that brought race into it. I don’t think race has anything to do with whether you should be able to vote or not, but apparently you do. It seems like the one concerned with race is you not me.

Why did you make a special point to us these fictional people in your fairy tale were black?

If they were disenfranchised blacks that were kept out of the polls by Republicans I guarantee you Jesse and Al would be all over it even if your friends didn’t want them to and they would also be right for a change to be all over it were those the actual circumstances.

I think you shaded them black in your made up story so nobody would call bullsh!t on your tall tale. Seems like you built your very own set of Jersey girls. How is District 17, btw?

By Paul

May 18, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish 4:26

That’s good news. There’s been a bit of the usual “Bush sent our forces to war without the necessary…. or adequate…” Never mind the Rumsfield comment (attacked by the same types) that you go to war with what you have.

If I may, you never, ever, ever, never want to engage people on just why there wasn’t adequate body armor, vehicles that could withstand IEDs, vehicles designed for urban warfare, an Army trained to conduct urban warfare, civil reconstruction, etc etc. You’d have to get into how long it takes to design, test, evaluate and produce such equipment. You’d have to get into production times. You’d have to get into reevaluation of doctrine, training for new missions, ops plans to implement the missions, etc. You’d have to discuss training schedules, allocation schedules, support troops to maintain the stuf. You’d have to get into why we were still buying billion dollar subs and fighters that cost hundreds of millions but we didn’t have enough grunt equipment.

Then you’d have to get into the idea that even without Iraq this is the type of warfare practiced by Islamists, so no matter where we’d engage them we’d face the same tactics and equipment/training shortcomings.

He had just over two whole years before Iraq, for pete’s sake. And Bush didn’t even see this style of Islamic fundamentalist warfare and the equipment and tactics necessary to fight it coming. And he couldn’t even manage a compressed research, development, test, development, production cycle for new weapons, gear and doctrine.

He had a whole two years. How long does this stuff take?

sarc

By Bosch

May 18, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish, Ummm, what’s your f*** point?

Okay, so you were talking about Hillary Clinton, but based on your ponderings at 4:12 (which is what my response at 4:19 was referring to) the same thing can be said about Bush, he was elected based on his surname, not his ability.

By Cindy

May 18, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

BD, Your assumption about Hillary is way off base. The Clintons weren’t obsessed with Iraq like bushy boy. I heard an anecdote that when Clinton heard about 9/11 he said “Bin Laden”, and when bushy heard about it he said “Sadaam”. It goes to show where bushy’s misguided focus was during his time in office before the attacks and who had the better grasp on reality. No, the only reason all that garbage came up about Iraq is because bushy asked for it. The Clinton’s would have been more realistic. Another thing. Bush has very substandard leadership skills. That’s why he asked for what he wanted and gave no credit to the things he didn’t want to hear. Clinton on the other hand did have leadership skills and would not have looked at the information with blinders on but considered both sides carefully. Had that been done, there would have been no Iraqi invasion, but the job would have been finished at least 3 years ago in Afghanistan.

By N-GA

May 18, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish…You forgot to say “In my opinion…” when you suggested that Hillary would have taken the same actions as Bush.

I suspect not….

By LuckoDull

May 18, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

If this is “global warming,” I say bring it on.

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{{{By Ever wonder…May 18, 2007 3:09 PM …why the Democratic candidates look to be comprised of a cross section of Americans and the republican candidates are a bunch of stuffy old white men?}}}

The Republicans do look an awful lot like the Bill Clinton White House, now that you mention it.

I wouldn’t exactly call Hillary a woman either.

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{{{By Thank you Mr Bush May 18, 2007 3:42 PM Gas prices}}}

What is Bush supposed to do about it?

Drill for oil in Alaska even though the sniveling Coward liberals voted against it?

Maybe cut the 50 cent per gallon gasoline tax, bwahahahahaha, yeah if you want to see libs committing suicide on TV.

Presidential order to suspend the smog regulations that add gawd only knows what to the cost?

What a stupid goony liberal spouting their mindless Bush gibberish, spastic.

The only damn recourse these mouth breathers have for lives little issues, blame the president, geez.

How naive, how ignorant is that?

Freaking embarrassing.

Cowards.

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By Jeff Sheridan

May 18, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

[Here’s a recent cartoon, folks]http://photos-209.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v79/155/62/5013736/n5013736336262091175.jpg

By getalife

May 18, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

I like this toon

I am off to see the wizard.

Geeez †

By Mike

May 18, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

Let’s see. The new Congress has lower approval ratings than Bush, yet Luckovich has yet to draw one single cartoon critical of the Democrat Congress.

Is Mikey out of step with the American people? Is Mikey “living in bubble”? Or is Mikey just a rigid partisan with no intellectual honesty?

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

CindyLeftyLady,

When I heard about 9/11 (on 9/11) the first thing out of my mouth was “Osama Bin Laden”, so maybe I should be in the White House!

I am not going to re-argue the war with you, but the fact is that when Bush became President he followed the Clinton Administration policy on Iraq.

While I don’t believe that either Bush or Clinton were “obsessed” with Iraq, they certainly knew what a threat Saddam posed.

Your assessment of Clinton versus Bush’s “leadership” skills is based on what exactly?

Considering the fact that you were fired for insubordination and think that that was a great injustice (try it in the private sector and see how long you last) does not exactly qualify you as a judge of “leadership skills” in any case.

By getalife

May 18, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

Here’s a recent cartoon, folks

Use (link) Jeff.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

Are you wearing your dunce hat today? I said “the odds are”.

That would make it my “opinion” - on this planet anyway. I don’t know how that phrase translates in the language of Moonbatese.

By Paul

May 18, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this

Hello, N-GA. Glad you’re online. Regarding your 3:05, that was my point. Closing Gitmo’s not the issue, symbolic as it may be to some (altho Area 51 has merit - conspiracy guys’ll go nuts). Standards of treatment is a far more serious issue.

That was the point of reciting, briefly, the continuing evolution of rules for armed conflict and the attendant treatment of prisoners.

I’m not sure I understand your point about Constitutional protections. Far as I know, this is the first time it’s come up regarding handling enemy prisoners. “Constitutional protections” is rife with difficulties - just ask, which ones? Where do we stop? If one, or some, why not all? The right to a lawyer? Okay, now do the Federal timelines for coming to trial or the case is dismissed come into play? What happens when someone says, hey, that Marine didn’t read me Miranda before I was apprehended. I said I wanted to die for Allah - wouldn’t have said that if I’d had a lawyer. Far fetched? I’m not sure - Khalid Sheik Mohammed didn’t think so.

I prefer to keep enemy combatants separated from criminal justice. Our first difficulty came when we realized we had combatants who were not covered by Geneva - so we got into the voluntary granting of privileges game. I think we’re going in the right direction.

Regarding your brothers/sisters comment, personalizing an issue is helpful in getting people to think. Only difference is, my brother isn’t an Islamic fundamentalist from Saudi Arabia. Now if he was a convert, been to training camps in Iraq, came back to the States and used his contacts to acquire munitions, recon targets, then led a Breslan-style attack on a dozen elementary schools and slaughtered hundreds of children, well, then we’ll have another discussion. I really don’t think the scenario is out of the realm of possibility (excluding my brother, of course) - which is why I cited Breslan. Of course, the Ft Dix six, dismissed as they’ve been by much of the media, may portend some real problems for us.

By Cindy

May 18, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

RW, All these earlier discussions about voter fraud: I reminded a few people of a questionable voting incident in a red area of Georgia. For some reason you don’t believe my story for the simple fact that black voters denied the right to vote didn’t run to Sharpton or Jackson. Yes, that does show racism: in your pea brain anyone black automatically runs to Sharpton or Jackson if they have a problem. You don’t see blacks as being able to deal with their own problems in their own way. What is that only reserved for white neocons? That just doesn’t make any sense.

BD, Have you ever put up a Christmas tree, or used glass ornaments on it or given Christmas presents? Have you ever displayed a nativity scene? These are “multicultural”. What exactly are the facist rules on when and how cultures can share ideas and borrow from each other?

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

RW,

I’d love to take a trip to the Miami area to check out the injustices that CindyLeftyLady claims her friends suffered.

Let’s see, November is a great time to be in Florida. Maybe I can get the Rainbow Coalition to pick up the tab.

I promise to be fair and balanced.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

{{{BD, Have you ever put up a Christmas tree, or used glass ornaments on it or given Christmas presents? Have you ever displayed a nativity scene? These are “multicultural”.}}}

Are there any translators fluent in Moonbatese available? I’m lost with the above and could use some help.

I’m still trying to make sense of the gas station story from this morning.

Thanks!

By Cindy

May 18, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

I had success in the private and public sectors in my lifetime. It is only in your propaganda pushing drivel that I lost a position for insubordination. I really get sick of your neocon troll tactics of lying and putting others down in an attempt to hide your ignorance.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

Cindykins,

Is it now your point that disenfranchised black voters didn’t want the problem solved? This is a very twisted fairy tale you’re spinning.

See if you can understand this. If black voters reported that they had been barred from voting by some evil red Republicans Jesse and Al would be there. Your make believe friends wouldn’t have to run to them, call them or anything.

Don’t you think you should drop this charade if what happened wasn’t even bad enough to call a newspaper over? Sounds like you and your friends just ain’t down for the struggle. I hate to think I spent so much of my youth in Civil Rights marches just to have you p!ss it away now.

By Mike

May 18, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

Cindy - lying and putting people down are reprehensible tactics. However, don’t think for a second that it is just “neocons” who do this.

There are ignorant fools on both sides of the spectrum. This board is empirical evidence that there neither side is devoid of childish posters.

By Daniel

May 18, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this

I love this cartoon! Another right-wing half wit bites the dust! Bush surrounds himself with incompetent brown-noser bone-heads. This parade of sad-sacks is unprecedented in our history. One is hard pressed to find a similar gaggle of goofballs in the history of government. To paraphrase General Tommy Franks: “These are the dumbest mother fvckers on the face of the planet”!

By N-GA

May 18, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I’ll try to clarify my comment about protection under the Constitution.

While citizens of the US are afforded protection under the Constitution, why do we deny that same protection to others? Are they not equal to us? Or less so?

Literate Americans are repulsed by the story of “The Man in the Iron Mask”. Here was an individual in solitary confinement his whole adult life without ever being charged with a crime. Scholars & historians still speculate on his identity.

This administration has stretched, if not broken US law on civil liberty. My reference to your brother or sister was simply to suggest you (and the rest of the concerned population) would react strongly if this administration chose to interpret US law in order to imprison relatives without charges or legal counsel.

Buy Danish…I made a civil comment about your post knowing that you would respond as your empty-headed self. The use of the phrase “odds are” does not connote “opinion”. Probability is a mathematical science. When someone says “odds are”, they should have empirical evidence to support their statement. You, as usual, have none.

By Paul

May 18, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

Doesn’t is strike you as a bit funny that you chose to quote the military guy who was responsible for the Middle East theater of operations - you know, Tora Bora, Iraq, all that?

By getalife

May 18, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

Al Gore writes:

It is simply no longer possible to ignore the strangeness of our public discourse. I know I am not alone in feeling that something has gone fundamentally wrong. In 2001, I had hoped it was an aberration when polls showed that three-quarters of Americans believed that Saddam Hussein was responsible for attacking us on Sept. 11. More than five years later, however, nearly half of the American public still believes Saddam was connected to the attack.

Intellectual dishonsty roams the wingnut masses.

Lets try it one more time.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

Geez.

By Paul

May 18, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

N-GA

I don’t view it as an item of equality, more along the lines of what members of certain groups are entitled to. I may want to receive health care for free on an Indian reservation (I know that’s not the politically correct term, but it’s how some relatives who qualify refer to the system) but I’m not one whit Native American. We’re equal, just entitled to different things.

I get your iron mask reference. The entire evolution of Western rule of law, constraint of the king, is marvelous. But I was not referring to American citizens. I understand the reference about indefinite holding of those identified as combatants - I am concerned about that. I do not think the authorities (civilian and military) have their act entirely together. But we’re getting there (Military Tribunal act referenced before).

My reference to Geneva Convention earlier in the discussion with Goldie was to illustrate “be careful what you wish for.” Repatriation of prisoners during hostilities is rare. So under GC and Islamists, that means life. But I do agree, we’re not far enough or fast enough on identifying if all those at Gitmo are truly Islamists.

So what’re you uncorking tonight?

By Paul

May 18, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this

getalife 5:53

Any idea if Gore’s survey of those who connect 9/11 and Iraq was restricted to Republicans/conservatives/conservative Democrats/wingnuts/confused moonbats? Seriously, without looking at the source my experience is people from any group will believe just about anything, no matter how preposterous.

So if the survey sample was general population - the concern about intellectual awareness, let alone dishonesty, extends across the spectrum.

By Daniel

May 18, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

Here is a challenge:

Name another government in history with a succession of dismal incompetents like the Bush government.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

Any normal person would know that what I stated was clearly an opinion since it is impossible to determine the facts of a hypothetical situation - namely what might have happened (or probably would have happened) IF Hillary had been President instead of Bush.

Now, the POINT of my post was that since Hillary voted to authorize the war, since Hillary made numerous statements about the threat that Saddam Hussein and WMDs posed, since Hillary was married to Bill who instituted the official Clinton Administration Policy of Regime Change in Iraq, and since everyone from Sandy Berger to Madeline Albright warned about the threat Saddam posed, it is fair to say that the odds are she would have gone to War just like Bush did - which blows Cindikins “Bushy” argument.

Of course if I were a Moonbat, I would just have gone ahead and and stated it as incontrovertible fact, and claimed to know it was true because I read on some blog somewhere that it was in Hillary’s secret diaries.

By getalife

May 18, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Well, American Idol and Dancing with the stars is still on, plus Paris is going to jail.

I guess they did not listen to w when he told them, too busy you know.

By Paul

May 18, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

Daniel 6:01

Which of the French monarchs would you like to examine? How about some of the emperors at the end of the various Chinese dynasties? The Islamic rulers who led their civilization to stagnation? The MesoAmerican rulers who were a little slow on the uptake in adapting to new circumstances? Italian city states that couldn’t quite get it together to survive? German leaders who combined technical brilliance with strategic bumbling to lead their nation to ruin?

Take your pick -

By LuckoDull

May 18, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

{{{By N-GA May 18, 2007 5:40 PM My reference to your brother or sister was simply to suggest you (and the rest of the concerned population) would react strongly if this administration chose to interpret US law in order to imprison relatives without charges or legal counsel.}}}

Most normal, well adjusted human beings would not come to the defense of a bunch of scumbag animals that hate life and their religious “rivals” so much that they would don suicide vests and kill children, but I see N-GA Wanker has taken up their cause, I guess no one would ever accuse him of being normal.

I hope you sniveling Cowards lay weeping on your pillows long into the night with your little punk as-s hearts torn asunder in grief at the very thought that these savages could possibly be suffering.

Boo hoo hoo.

Sniff, sniff.

Perverts.

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By Cindy

May 18, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

Mike, That may be so, but if you look at today; these propaganda pushers are attacking me for truths. They can’t handle the truth so they go into a dilusional world where a truth they can’t face is “made up” then attack the speaker of truth and create lies about them (like losing a job for insubordination which is pure fiction). The left hasn’t libeled me so I have no beef with them.

By Daniel

May 18, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

N-GA: Danish is obviously a half-wit. The only important question is: Why did Bush lie? Gawd do these people whine to avoid responsibliity! “Any normal person…If I were a moon bat…” Remember, Danish was the one who bawled over the guy who smashed the picture of Bush; all the while cheering a war where American soldiers rape a 14 year old girl before slaughtering her and her family.

By One Voice

May 18, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

Hey Granny,

I notice that today you were hypothesizing that I somehow evolved into “No Mas.” I am amused that even though I have not appeared here in literally months (until a couple of limited posts this week), you still seem to be obsessed with me. Hello, not everyone who dislikes you is me; as a matter of fact, most of the people who dislike you are not me. There have been many posters who accused you of being a prostitute, but when I did it was in reference to you trading your life in order to have someone else support you. By the way, you’ve been posting less of late. Did you finally get a part time job, or are Dawgbite and No Mas correct about your oral occupation?

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

Cindy,

I missed one of your comments.

Aren’t the one who told us you were fired for dissing Donald Rumsfeld while working for the DOD or some military office?

If you dissed the President of a corporation or the head of a small business while employed there you’d probably* get your butt canned, although you would probably* turn around and sue and claim discrimination.

*Note for N-GA. Probably does not mean definitely, which means that that statement is my opinion.

By getalife

May 18, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this

BD remins me of this wingnut

Geez.

By One Voice

May 18, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

andi,

For a 45-year-old man you write like a 12-year-old. I’m sure your children are so proud of their “father.”

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

In my opinion, the important question is why you are such a hateful POS that you transfer the sins of one soldier on to every single person who is serving in Iraq.

By Midori

May 18, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

Getalife: I think she’s more like Ann Coulter. I just hope she doesn’t go around wearing those teeny little black dresses. When is that woman going to grow up?

One Voice,

I keep trying to tell Crone-zilla that people hate her.

By ummmm

May 18, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

Ummmm……Proud of a father that has spent OVER half of his life the past 2 years typing madly on an obscure political blog??????

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

One Punk,

It must be reassuring for a loser like you to know that while reality is not a great place for you, you have a cyber comrade who shares your joy in making obscene references to a fictional character called “Jose’”.

GFY!

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

{{I am not going to re-argue the war with you, but the fact is that when Bush became President he followed the Clinton Administration policy on Iraq.}}

Donut— exactly how do you say “but the fact is”, when President Clinton’s policy was one of containment and your guy W would have none of that? Pres. Clinton may have spoken for the need for “regime change” in Iraq, but he sure as hell did NOT try to justify waging a WAR in order to overthrow Saddam, now did he? I don’t remember him ever going to the podium, and over and over again proclaiming “they’re gonna send nukes our way if we don’t bomb Iraq first and overthrow their dictator!” or “we know that Saddam loved Bin Laden, therefore we have to overthrow Saddam for letting Bin Laden bomb the World Trade Center back in ‘93” — now, how exactly did your guy W follow Clinton’s “Iraq policy”???

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

Danish-Donut is a big fat lying sack o’ shi-ite!

By Mike

May 18, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

Cindy - What I see are a lot of strong words and rigid mind sets from both you and the folks you are arguing with.

Be careful when you claim that your arguments are valid because they are “the truth”. All ideologues believe that they are speaking the truth.

By LuckoDull

May 18, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

{{{By Dhimmi Danny May 18, 2007 6:01 PM Here is a challenge: Name another government in history with a succession of dismal incompetents like the Bush government.}}}

I can go one better:

{{{All candidates for the hundreds of Government jobs subject to Senate confirmation are now being asked if they had hired illegal aliens or violated tax laws on household workers, Clinton Administration officials said today, and at least a dozen people have been dropped from consideration over those issues. Use of the new questions follows an uproar over the nomination of Zoe Baird to be Attorney General and the withdrawal of another candidate for the same job, Federal District Judge Kimba M. Wood}}}}

Aren’t liberals just so silly?

Clinton was the most corrupt, bumbling groper that ever breathed air on this planet, it will eons before any approaches this level of utter graft and decadence.

Look at this little blast from the past:

{{{Reno Reviewing Whether Clinton Broke Campaign Finance Rules}}}

Can you imagine if Bush appointed Gonzales to investigate the attorney firings?

Clinton didn’t even care.

Need more, Dhimmi Danny?

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By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Thank you! I am much more like Ann Coulter, but I don’t wear a little black dress very often unless I’m at a cocktail party, dinner party, or funeral.

My dresses are only “teeny” in the sense that I am a size 6, but I like my dresses just above the knee, and I have never been someone who exposes a lot of cleavage, so your concerns about my dressing inappropriately are unfounded.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

{{Cindy - lying and putting people down are reprehensible tactics.}}

Mike— do you want to disclose how many times you yourself have been guilty of the same? Or do I need to go back thru archives and show how many times you lash out here because Luckovich doesn’t draw the ‘toons as you dictate? And you constantly posting that he “never” makes a ‘toon about Democrats is ludicrous! Stop your whining, draw your own ‘toon and set-up a blog, why dontcha?

Reprehensible indeed.

By Cindy

May 18, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

BD, No, I never said that. It is more neocon propaganda. I only said I was threatened for my polictical beliefs which is a legal violation of the ethics law. I think I might have mentioned an incident at the Pentagon, but I wasn’t dissing Rumsfeld other than how he did fire a guy for touching him during a conversation. NO, not me at the Pentagon; that was facist territory; you know, kind of like a dissing Hitler in front of the SS; I’m not suicidal.

By LuckoDull

May 18, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

{{{By One Monkey May 18, 2007 For a 45-year-old man you write like a 12-year-old.}}}

Monkey Man: I take into account my audience and since you’re in it, I’m trying to keep things simple.

We wouldn’t want to get over your head.

I know how you sniveling Coward liberals get confused so easy.

Know what I mean?

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By Goldie

May 18, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

Getalife @ 6:22 — Melanie Morgan is disgusting, but I believe that Donut is probably a bigger, fatter, lying sack o’ shi-ite than Morgan is. Or maybe it’s a tie between the two? That’s a tough call there.

By LuckoDull

May 18, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

{{{By CCCCCummmm May 18, 2007 6:32 PM Ummmm……Proud of a father that has spent OVER half of his life the past 2 years typing madly on an obscure political blog??????}}}

Versus hanging out in the gay bath houses and crack joints with you liberals, geez.

You know what I mean?

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By Goldie

May 18, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

Donut @ 6:42 — once again, when did President Clinton stand at the podium and declare to the American people that we had to overthrow Saddam because he was aiming nukes at us?

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

GoldieDhimmi,

More from the same link. Deja Vu anyone?

[Albright was drowned out at one point by a group chanting, “One, two, three, four, we don’t want your racist war,” as she tried to explain U.S. policy to the audience of 6,000.//Similar outbursts greeted Cohen and Berger as they laid out again a U.S. position that is familiar to those who have followed the building crisis in the media.//They said the United States would prefer to see a peaceful resolution and hopes that U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan will make significant progress when he visits with Iraqi officials this weekend.//But if Iraqi President Saddam Hussein doesn’t allow U.N. arms inspectors to have unrestricted access to all weapons sites in Iraq, they reaffirmed that a U.S.-led coalition will respond with military force.](http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9802/18/town.meeting.folo

{{One young man asked Albright why the United States is willing to attack Iraq while ignoring actions by other countries.

Albright responded, “No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.”}}

By Daniel

May 18, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

No, once again, Danish; it is your support of a illegal unethical war that creates the problem. When you, and poeple like you send soldiers into an impossible war you get that result. That is precisely why many of us opposed the Iraq War from the start. American soldiers slaughtering innocent civilians follows frustration. American servicemen raping children is their “answer” to you and people like you. It is your responsibility. Why can’t you and epople like you accept responsibility? This is your war. Own it.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

{{My dresses are only “teeny” in the sense that I am a size 6,}}

HA! Like we’re ever gonna believe that, you big fat lying sack!

By Mike

May 18, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

Goldie - I make complaints about Mike’s strident partisanship and willingness to turn a blind eye to the misdoings of all non-Republicans.

I don’t lie and I don’t call people names. Clearly you, like many folks on this board, view any disagreement with your own views as a vile personal attack on par with questioning someone’s morality or cursing at them.

Do you understand the difference?

By Paul

May 18, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

Goldie 6:43

In the interests of fairness and equal time, you may want to consider, rather than regularly referring to people here as “shi-ite,” to maybe occasionally use the term “sun-ni” or maybe even “wah-abite.”

Just a thought -

My Saab’s upset because her Swedish cousin’s all clean -

By LuckoDull

May 18, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

Anyone want to wager that Monkey Man will be brooding all weekend over people that talk to each other on blogs and say things that his primitive mind can’t process?

Can you imagine what a horrible, disgusting existence that must be, raging about what you think the neighbor might be doing?

All of these liberals are like that, paranoid government dependent whackjobs.

You know what I mean?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By @@

May 18, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

Bosch:

You did miss my point. It’s the possibility of voter fraud due to the inconsistency in requiring “one” form of ID when voting.

Take for example:

EXCLUSIVE: Hundreds of Illegals Have Registered to Vote in Bexar County

Now granted, a few dozen who voted illegally isn’t “hoards”, but the potential for voter fraud is definitely there.

(((Hundreds of illegal immigrants have registered to vote in Bexar County in recent years and dozens of them have actually cast ballots, canceling out the votes of U.S. citizens, 1200 WOAI news will report Thursday morning.)))

(((“Voters can now present military ID, valid employee ID, citizenship certificate, passport, student ID card, handgun permit, utility bill, bank statement, pay stub, mail from a government entity, marriage license, birth certificate, adoption certificate, pilot’s license, hunting license, or even a library card,” Dewhurst said. “What’s so hard about this?”)))

And look, here’s the Democrats again with their tired old argument opposing Voter IDs.

(((Some Democrats in the Legislature have fought the proposal, saying it would keep the poor and minorities, who generally vote Democratic, away from the polls. A key Democratic Senator and Dewhurst got into an argument on the floor of the Senate over the emotional issue.)))

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

GoldiDhimmi,

I’d ask you to provide the link to Bush ever saying “that we had to overthrow Saddam because he was aiming nukes at us” except that I already know you can’t.

You do realize that there were multiple reasons why we invaded Iraq, do you not? You may want to read Senator Rockefeller’s speech on the Senate Floor, along with Hillary’s if you’re confused.

By N-GA

May 18, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I’ve opened a 1999 Brunello Reserva. Almost 8 years old and showing well.

While I was away, my daughter called from Napa. She is at Merryvale and I had her ship some Profile (one of my favorites). At least GA law now allows direct shipment if the purchase is made in person at the winery. Still it is such BS. The laws should be wide open for shipping wine/beer, etc. Does anyone remember interstate commerce, restraint of free trade, etc…..? A topic for another day.

Paul, why do we set ourselves apart from other humans on this planet just because we are US citizens? Should we have more freedoms, more rights than others? Do you think Jesus would make such a distinction? Or do we use our Constitution to deny others these “inalienable rights”?

By Mike

May 18, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

Goldie -

For example, find me one example when I ever said anything like:

“Danish-Donut is a big fat lying sack o’ shi-ite!”

I know these types of comments are deserved because he posted an idea that you didn’t like, but show me an example when I have ever used this lowest form of “debate” that most of us left behind inb 3rd grade.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

{{I make complaints about Mike’s strident partisanship and willingness to turn a blind eye to the misdoings of all non-Republicans.}}

Which, of course, is a lie — it just happens that your guy is in charge and committing blunders every flippin’ day of the week. Luckovich’s ‘toons reflect current event, not what your “partisanship” balancing needs are.

By N-GA

May 18, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Have a nice weekend, and CHEERS!!!

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

I know, the truth is just way too painful for you moonbats. I forgot to mention that I’m quite tall at 5’9”.

The people who really are fat aren’t’ going to be pleased that a lib is making fun of fat people. Indeed, if Massachusetts has its way, you could be accused of a hate crime for such a statement!

By @@

May 18, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

I think we should all keep in mind that Goldie said she was leaving late this afternoon to finish off her bottle of Chardonnay for the day.

I took that to mean that she drinks “one bottle” a day.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Mike,

Err, I’m a “she”. That’s why I sometimes wear a little black dress :)

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

Let’s see, Donut — Ms. Albright was on the stage in 1998 being shouted down by Americans for stating that IF Iraq did not allow weapons inspectors in, we may have to use military force… and we know that we didn’t have to do that now did we, since the weapons inspectors had been given access to do their job many times since ‘98…

Bad, pathetic try, once again, Donut!

By Paul

May 18, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

N-GA

Sounds like you’re in for a nice evening. Some of those California’s are gems - can well and truly hold their own with other selections.

I was surprised - I thought laws were more uniform thoughout the states. Can ship only if ordered in person at the winery? Sigh - so many people out to make sure I live my life the “right” way…

Your last paragraph pretty much sums up the tragedy of the history of humankind. People still seem to identify with a grouping far lower than nation, let alone humanity. The sad fact is, the West with its emphasis on individualism and history of rule of law (as well as being the singular (I believe) civilization that separates religious rule from everyday life) has far more rights than others. What do we grant others? Time’s running short don’t know if this will go - the devil’s in the details, as they say.

More later - cheers

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

That’s downright pitiful Cindykins. Maybe you shouldn’t talk to people that are going to ask you questions about your make believe world.

Now to go along with your disenfranchised voters that were so upset they did nothing, we have the grand Pentagon plan to drag Cindy off to the gas chamber.

I’m sure you’re entertaining to be around, but in a way that would make the people laughing feel guilty eventually.

By Daniel

May 18, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

N-GA: I’m about there! If anyone, anywhere wonders why 75% of America opposes Bush; read Danish here! Four years down the road we get: “There were multiple reasons for invading Iraq….” Yes, all illegal, unethical or wrong! For a nation we surely have a lot of irresponsible jack-azzes. By the way, make note: NO ONE TOOK THE CHALLENGE! We can now state: Hear, Hear: The Bush government has the longest streak of dismal dismisssed incompetents in the history of government. Amen. Now, I’m ready for my drink, I’ve earned it.

By Goldie

May 18, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this

{{I took that to mean that she drinks “one bottle” a day.}}

That’s only when I’ve run outta meth to smoke instead.

By bon scott

May 18, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

Might as well leave the week with a Paul Krugman reality check:

I’ve been looking at the race for the Republican presidential nomination, and I’ve come to a disturbing conclusion: maybe we’ve all been too hard on President Bush.

{{No, I haven’t lost my mind. Mr. Bush has degraded our government and undermined the rule of law; he has led us into strategic disaster and moral squalor.}}

It all boils down to the insistence of stubborn, delusioal Republicans who see a unified Islamic jihad against the West where there isn’t one:

{{ Mr. Bush got us into the Iraq quagmire by conflating Saddam with Al Qaeda, treating two mutually hostile groups as if they constituted a single enemy. Well, Mr. Romney offers more of that. “There is a global jihadist effort,” he warned in the second debate. “And they’ve come together as Shia and Sunni and Hezbollah and Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda with that intent.” Aren’t Sunnis and Shiites killing each other, not coming together? Nevermind.}}

You see, if you repeat deadly, festering, poisonous lies long enough, you believe ithen. And you think everyone else does, too.

The curse of the Bush Republicans.

Have a good weekend, everyone.

By getalife

May 18, 2007 8:12 PM | Link to this

“Here’s what the GOP position boils down to:

U.S. soldiers will be in Iraq forever. Period. The GOP does NOT want our troops to come home, and finds such talk treasonous. The Republican party supports George W. Bush 100%, and George W. Bush says we will stay in Iraq forever. So that’s the way it is. Period. The Republican party says that any decisions regarding Iraq are George W. Bush’s decisions, and his only. George W. Bush is the only one who matters. Generals and soldiers are useful, as long as they agree with George W. Bush, and say so publicly (and frequently). If they don’t agree with George W. Bush, they should ignored and / or fired, because they are cowards, and probably traitors.
The representatives YOU elected to Congress are in Congress solely to give George W. Bush what he demands. Period.
George W. Bush will be accountable to no one, ever, regarding our soldiers in Iraq. The Republican party supports this, and George W. Bush, no matter what he does in Iraq. If George W. Bush says that hundreds or thousands or even tens of thousands more American soldiers must die over in Iraq, tough. That’s just the way it is, and the Republican party suports it 100%, because it supports George W. Bush 100%. If George W. Bush wants to spend hundreds of billions more — or even trillions more — of your tax money in Iraq, tough. That’s just the way it is, and the Republican party suports it 100%, because it supports George W. Bush 100%. The Iraqi government never has to show any progress, in any way. George W. Bush will keep sending Americans to die in Iraq, no matter what it does. Questioning the Iraqi government — its effectiveness, its motives, its honesty, etc. — is the same as questioning George W. Bush. And that is treason to the Republican party, because the GOP stands behind George W. Bush all the way, no matter what. George W. Bush will keep sending hundreds of billions — and even trillions — of yours and your children’s and grandchildren’s tax dollars to Iraq, no matter what the Iraqi government does. And that’s all right with the Republican party, because the GOP stands behind George W. Bush all the way. No matter what. No matter how many American soldiers are killed — yes, literally, no limit to the number of American dead — this Iraqi occupation will still be worth it. This is George W. Bush’s

By LuckoDull

May 18, 2007 8:21 PM | Link to this

al-Gitmo:

Wrong.

It’s about the honorable duty to protect our nation.

And not be a Coward.

You know what I mean?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By @@

May 18, 2007 8:48 PM | Link to this

I think it’s important to remember that Getalife did say he was leaving to “smoke” his lunch earlier.

I’m pretty sure he wasn’t talking about meat.

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