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Making tracks

By Mike Luckovich | Wednesday, May 2, 2007, 06:55 AM

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By LuckoDull

May 2, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this

In other words, it appears Sen. Feinstein was up to her ears in the same sort of shenanigans that landed California Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham (R) in the slammer. Indeed, it may be that the primary difference between the two is basically that Cunningham was a minor leaguer and a lot dumber than his state’s senior senator. During this period the two companies, URS of San Francisco and the Perini Corporation of Framingham, Mass., were controlled by Feinstein’s husband, Richard C. Blum, and were awarded a combined total of over $1.5 billion in government business thanks in large measure to her subcommittee. That’s a lot of money even here in Washington.

Ummm, resignation?

Now we get to find out how much of a “Republican” Schwarzenneger really is when he appoints Feinstein’s replacement.

A girly man or not?

You’re gonna hate 08®.

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Gee, I wonder why the Wolfowitz/ World Bank articles in the AJC keep getting smaller and smaller and placed farther and farther towards the back on the “news” paper?

{{{World Bank ethics panel didn’t OK pay-Urinal, democrat national committee mouthpieces.}}}

No kidding, they shirked their duty.

You’re gonna hate 08®.

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{{{Ordinary Americans may not be sure whether or not the American effort in Iraq is already “lost,” but they strongly want to believe that it is still winnable. Unlike you, they think that Americans really are the “good guys” over there, whether or not we “win.” And unlike you, they do not think that we somehow earned or deserve the terrorists’ ire.}}}

Duh.

You’re gonna hate 08®.

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By @@

May 2, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this

This is a good one ml. I laughed when I read where Tenet rode that “nag” backwards onto 60 Minutes.

What a “Dud”.

Debbie, I encourage you to divorce that ^^^ man.

I’m on my best behavior today. I won’t even elaborate on “the tracks”.

By LuckoDull

May 2, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this

Queen Pinko, advocating cutting and running from law enforcement:

{{{Pennington is by no means the only police chief caught up in a futile but ruinous strategy of rounding up and prosecuting men and women who deal small amounts of illicit substances. That strategy has consumed local police for decades now, though it has done absolutely nothing to reduce the amount of drugs sold on the streets. Still, they keep doing it.}}}

A supposedly intelligent award winning editorialist should know that without the current amount of enforcement, the streets of Atlanta would probably resemble a war zone, at least those that aren’t a war zone already.

What we have now is called the acceptable status quo, sure it isn’t fair to some but how fair is it to the crackhead who’s whole life is ruined and severely shortened?

And how can one whine about the abundance of drug enforcement not being effective and then turn right around and say more gun laws would be effective?

Um, Cynthia?

{{{(Remember that colorful definition of insanity — doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome?)}}}

You mean like your columns on voter ID laws?

You’re gonna hate 08®.

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By Brian Curtis

May 2, 2007 8:11 AM | Link to this

Good cartoon reference! And as always, a good reminder that the Bush administration is inherently, deeply anti-American to its core.

By Truthsayer

May 2, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this

LuckoDull - Don’t you know by now that the liberals think that it is their God-given (except that most of them don’t believe there is a God) right to lie, cheat, steal and even murder, as long as they say they care and tow the party line? Swinestein was the mayor of one of the most corrupt cities in the United States and is still part of the political machine which runs it - the infamous Brown-Burton Machine. So is Barbara Boxer. These folks just don’t care. They haven’t since the days of Tammany Hall.

By Mrs. Godzilla

May 2, 2007 8:20 AM | Link to this

Mike, please don’t smear Dudley like this.

Like George Tenet, he’s not too bright.

However, Dudley would have stood up and told Inspector Fenwick the truth - that Snidely Whiplash did not have WMD. Thereby saving the life of 3344 RCMP and being a hero to sweet Nell.

Dudley Do-Right would never make Americans pay $29.95 plus tax for the truth. (IF it’s the truth)

By Environmental realist

May 2, 2007 8:20 AM | Link to this

For all of you left-wingnuts who are trying so desperately to save the planet, but always leap before you look, here is another reminder to LOOK:

Handle with Care

Those new compact fluorescent light bulbs may help save the planet and save you money on your energy bills — but that’s only as long as you don’t break one. The CFL’s contain a level of mercury that can be dangerous if exposed.

The Financial Post reports that one woman in Ellsworth, Maine is looking at a cleanup bill of more than $2,000 — after breaking a bulb during installation in her daughter’s bedroom. Her insurance company won’t cover the cleanup costs because mercury is a pollutant. CFL supporters say that they can save you about $180 a year in power bills. But at that rate, it will take the woman 11 years to recoup her $2,000 cleanup costs.

By Scooter

May 2, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this

Yeah ml, one day Tenet will write a book about it. He simply has to wait to find out what he should say and how he should say it. Just have to wait for the liberal wing of the democrat party to make their followers fall of their rockers with hysteria and then they will believe anything that fits with their preconceived beliefs.

Also, this toon is a good representation of those thousands of US citizens Bush has stolen freedoms from and locked in prison (sarc).

Here is a good question for the day; Do the war’s opponents realize, or care, that every critical statement they make is reported by the enemy’s media and passed on to homicide bombers and fighters to encourage them to keep killing Americans and Iraqis?

But if our forces try to disperse information to the Iraqi people that contradicts theirs, well; you can remember how our patriotic media portrayed it as unacceptable and propaganda.

Ultimately, Retreat will not make this nation and our interests any safer in the end. It will only encourage terrorists to continue their attacks.”

Say what? This guy must be crazy because we all know our premature retreat from Somalia did not embolden Al-Qaeda and help their recruitment.

By SKEETER

May 2, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this

Do the wars proponets know that every time they try to silence the opposition to this immoral oil war our founding fathers roll over in their graves?

Oh, to hell with the consitution, as long as your a$$ is safe.

By Eric

May 2, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this

Truthsayer? That handle’s a joke. It’s the neo cons who live to lie. From nixon to reagan to the shrub, they’re all colossal liars.

By IN THE NEWS

May 2, 2007 8:47 AM | Link to this

[U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker acknowledged Tuesday that there “is something of an al-Qaida surge going on” in Iraq, with the group using suicide car bombs as its principal weapons, but he said that doesn’t mean the U.S.-Iraqi campaign isn’t working.] (

By Brian Curtis

May 2, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

Scooter is absolutely right! If we’re going to preserve our freedom and democracy, we must hide the internal dissent and disagreements that go along with it from the rest of the world.

If they saw how democracy allowed differing opinions to be aired in public, it would only encourage them to destroy us! We must stifle all such inappropriate speech. After all, democracy’s something to be ashamed of, isn’t it?

By Buy Danish

May 2, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

LuckoDull,

Guiliani needs to come to town and have a talk with the AJCs Pulitzer Prize winning editor. As a New Yorker, I know first hand how important it is to go after “low-level” activity as part of the “broken windows” theory.

“Consider a building with a few broken windows. If the windows are not repaired, the tendency is for vandals to break a few more windows. Eventually, they may even break into the building, and if it’s unoccupied, perhaps become squatters or light fires inside.//Or consider a sidewalk. Some litter accumulates. Soon, more litter accumulates. Eventually, people even start leaving bags of trash from take-out restaurants there or breaking into cars.”//A successful strategy for preventing vandalism, say the book’s authors, is to fix the problems when they are small. Repair the broken windows within a short time, say, a day or a week, and the tendency is that vandals are much less likely to break more windows or do further damage. Clean up the sidewalk every day, and the tendency is for litter not to accumulate (or for the rate of littering to be much less). Problems do not escalate and thus respectable residents do not flee a neighborhood.

I know this theory has many naysayers, but seeing is believing and Guiliani used these tactics and revitalized New York City. I guarantee you that New York did not turn around by coincidence.

Even “low level” drug dealing is a cancer that will kill a community if it is allowed to spread without intervention.

NOTE to ankle biters: I use wikipedia because it is convenient. I could link to the original 1982 Atlantic article but it requires registration. If you want to read it the wiki article provides a link and I recommend it as a fascinating read. I read it when it came out in 1982 so I don’t need to read it again.

By steve-o

May 2, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Yesterday, you left off a lot in your pawltry list of Christian terrorists. For example, you forgot the KKK and the Christian Bosnian Serb militias that slaughtered 8,000 Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica. You also forgot about the slaughter of Palestinians in refugee camps by Lebanese Christian militias. The list can go on and on, but you see, it’s not religion itself, but rather those who MANIPULATE religion for their own twisted agendas.

By Sell Denmark

May 2, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this

Guiliani needs to come to town and have a talk with Creflo Dollar… maybe some good guidance would keep him out of womens clothing or announcing his impending divorce at a press conference.

By steve-o

May 2, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

Luckovich,

Exellent cartoon!! Back in 2004, I was a supporter of Wesley Clark, because unlike Kerry and Edwards, he didn’t support the Iraq War from the beginning. A lot of Democrats truly had their heads up their arses in 2002.

For everyone else, here’s a cool column on America that appeared on BBC.com today.

By LuckoDull

May 2, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

{{{By Anti Radical May 2, 2007 8:48 AM Ain’t life in America grand, livin under the reign of ‘law n order’ Republicans? I wonder what the fine would be for saving a life!}}}

Spammie: Your are an utterly ridiculous clown, if you even begin to beleive your own propaganda, then you are a slobbering dumbas-s to boot.

Top 10 Most Generous Organizations to Political Campaigns 1. American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees $38,133,049 Labor 98% of it to democrats

What a joke you liberals are, it’s YOUR government, you blooming idiot.

Morons.

You’re gonna hate 08®.

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By LuckoDull

May 2, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

I always knew that Cohen was a babbling partisan goonie, I just never realized the extent of it:

{{{Kucinich’s Case Against Cheney By Richard Cohen The resolution offered by the gentleman from Ohio reads sensibly. It alleges crimes high and low, misdemeanors galore — all of them representing an effort to mislead the American people and take them into war. It is Dennis Kucinich’s articles of impeachment directed at Dick Cheney. The vice president will, of course, deny he’s a liar. As long as Kucinich is at it, add that to the articles.}}}

Dennis Kucinich??

Really??

You’re gonna hate 08®.

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By Suck-o-Dill

May 2, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

For some reason way beyond the scope of my intelligence capabilities, unions like democrats.

Damn,those unions.

Let’s make our kids start supporting themselves at age 8.

Screw the 40 hour work week - let’s make it all work all the time.

Asbestos? Toxins? I scoff at thee!

By Truthsayer

May 2, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

Eric - you are again refusing to remember that the Republicans are the ones who are the first to throw their own rascals out when they get caught doing something illegal. You Democrats circle the wagons and defend them and keep them in office as long as possible. Here is a short list - William Jefferson, Diane Feinstein, Ted Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, John Murtha, Alan Cranston, John Glenn and on and on and on. You folks are all living in glass houses!

By w00t

May 2, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this

Sorry for the double post if there is one. The blog is acting slow for me today.

By LuckoDull

May 2, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

{{{By Suck-o-Dill May 2, 2007 9:30 AM For some reason way beyond the scope of my intelligence capabilities, unions like democrats. Damn,those unions. Let’s make our kids start supporting themselves at age 8.}}}

The same jer-k off that last week was prancing all around about Toyota beating the American automakers in sales^^.

Obviously, just like all candy as-s pinko liberals, too stupid to comprehend that Toyota doesn’t support the unions either.

Moron.

I drive a Chevy because of OUR future and our KIDS future, you stone wanker.

You’re gonna hate 08®.

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By Cindy

May 2, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Yes, it is great fun to pick at the Republicans for their moral failures because they always claim they don’t have them. Democrats know they are only human and have their feet on the ground, not on some moral pedestal.

By Republican big, Big, BIG GOVERNMENT

May 2, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Even “low level” drug dealing is a cancer that will kill a community if it is allowed to spread without intervention.

Another call for more of that grand ole big, Big, BIG REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT. Somebody oughta tell this idiot that America has been zealously enforcing drug interdiction policy since the “Harrison Narcotics Tax Act” of 1914. It has p** away trillions of dollars in the process and only worsened the drug problem exponentially.

Nobody likes drugs but it seems like after nearly 100 years of failure the Republicans would get a clue that interdiction only increases the black market value of drugs and their ‘forbidden fruit’ lure, thereby worsening the problem of addiction. As long as there is a big paycheck in drug running, there will always be someone willing to risk it all to get that payday.

Addicts are not criminals, they are sick. Making them criminals drives their destructive behavior underground where it can never be treated or corrected. This bass-ackwards enforcement stance would be confusing if someone other than Republicans were beatin this drum, but FAILURE is what Republicans do best!

Republican campaign slogan for ‘08- “A cop on every street corner and two in every bedroom!”

By Paul

May 2, 2007 9:54 AM | Link to this

Republican 9:47

Nice example of complaining. What’s the Democratic position that will encourage me to vote Democratic in’08? Stop interdiction, stop prison sentences, decriminalize (even dealers?) and expand treatment?

(You told me what “Republicans” are bad at, but haven’t given me a reason to vote “Democratic”).

By @@

May 2, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish’s link on Rudy’s “broken windows” program reminded me of a speech Tim Robbins, Hollywooder made to an adoring audience.

He recalled visiting a tenement building where he and his family had resided during his youth. He proudly claimed a broken window in the building as one he had vandalized.

While walking down the steps and away from that same building, he laughed and said the landlord would probably want him to pay to have it replaced now.

I guess he said that because he’s so FAMOUS now, he could afford to. He never mentioned having done so.

That’s AMAZING!!!!!!

I’m outta here.

By Midori

May 2, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

That is an absolutely laugh-out-loud toon.

Excellent job, Mike :)

Tenet is a coward, a liar, and a jerk to boot.

he was kicked out of the “good ole boys club” and now wants to whine about it. “SUDDENLY” he has a conscience?

Good riddance to bad garbage.

By Scooter

May 2, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

Brian Curtis, during World War II the media agreed to not print any information that could be beneficial to the enemy. We won that war and that was the last war the media practiced such self control. Ironically that is the last war America had the political resolve to finish. Coincidence? Perhaps you don’t realize how much political power the media has over public opinion and therefore cannot see how the selective reporting affects the country overall?

Today Al-Qaeda’s leader in Iraq reportedly died when his suicide belt detonated during a fight. Might he have been wearing that belt to detonate if American Soldiers gathered around his injured body? Did the media crucify one of our soldiers for shooting an unarmed injured man in Fallujah a while back?

The enemy uses information to sway the hearts and minds of the Iraqis and our “media” will criticize our government for disseminating information contradicting that of the terrorists.

Terrorists recruit new members by telling them America is imperialistic and exploits them for their natural resources. If there is any doubt in the new recruits mind the recruiters can simply point to the statements of the more “enlightened”, aka liberals, in America who agree with them.

Never would I say the freedoms should be taken away from people. I can however say people use their freedoms and liberties irresponsibly. Similar to the millions of democrats who have the freedom to work hard, overcome their obstacles to success and become successful contributors to society, but; choose to neglect those freedoms and wait for the democrats to seize more power through income redistribution programs.

By LuckoDull

May 2, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

{{{By Anti Radical May 2, 2007 9:47 AM Nobody likes drugs but it seems like after nearly 100 years of failure the Republicans would get a clue that interdiction only increases the black market value of drugs and their ‘forbidden fruit’ lure, thereby worsening the problem of addiction.}}}

Spammie:

1) And here I thought drugs were addictive substances. Gosh, I never knew that it was all about the forbidden fruit.

All those people with sucken faces and hollow eye sockets, no teeth, did that because they couldn’t.

Gosh you libs are just the most smartest people!

2) Seeing how drugs have been illegal and that law has been enforced since like forever, what in the F do Republicans have to do with it?

YOU stupid mental defectives are in charge of the legislature, you babbling moron.

Do something about it you jackleg retard.

Is it all you know how to do, whine?

You’re gonna hate 08®.

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By Black Danish

May 2, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Don’t listen to dem fools tellin you how to vote. We’s be in good hands wit da republicans and it ought to stay dat way. Da democrats just gon git us in mo twouble.

By getalife

May 2, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

I see Scooter is in on the blame game.

He blames the media, then blames the Iraqis and want to take their new freedom.

The bottom line, the buck stops over there.

Geez.

Amazing.

By Paul

May 2, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Scooter 9:58

It strikes me as a matter of degree. WWII was a war for survival - many (including half the Democratic candidates) don’t see the war against Islamic (pick your own term) jihadists as a war at all.

Many opposed some of the censorship policies during WWII - but most stuck. Things that were done then (censoring personal letters to families) would be met with outrage today (don’t think so? Look at what happened when the gov’t monitored phone calls from overseas/terror suspects to locations in the US).

There was debate about the conduct of WWII - wisdom of Europe first, not Japan, for example - Republicans did not run against Roosevelt by agreeing with him - but there was generally a tone of “we must win this” which was never doubted by our enemies or their propagandists.

Many distinguish between prevailing in Iraq and prevailing against jihadists in the larger war. But you have a point - many here or in the foreign press do not so distinguish. My sense is many who hear the rhetoric against continued involvement in Iraq generalize to lack of commitment against jihadists. That is a point Democratic candidates could make - but haven’t.

By RW-(the original)

May 2, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

Cindy,

Would you please provide a list of names and associated quotes of prominent Republicans that claim they are without human failings?

Thank you in advance!

By Cindy

May 2, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

WWII was not some BS war created by an idiot president for his own personal agenda based on bad information and deceitful sales to the American people and designed and led from the outset to fail on a country that was contained and not an immediate threat to the country. In WWII the US went into a battle with everything available to them including detailed planning and they were willing to change the course for success if something wasn’t working.

If we were truly fighting terrorists; if we had worked to get bin laden and rid Afghanistan of the Taliban, I would be more supportive. We dropped Afghanistan on their butts and decided to play war games at the detriment of our military in a country we had no business invading.

By getalife

May 2, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Add Hollywood to @@’s long list of hate er “spurn”.

Geez.

Paul,

You are a wingnut and will never vote Dem. Brainwashed by BO.

Cut the crap.

Geez.

By Republican big, Big, BIG GOVERNMENT

May 2, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

Paul- Personally, I believe that registering addicts and selling them their poison at cost plus standard profit through the existing phamaceutical network is the way to take the profit out of the drug business and ultimately reduce the problem to the lowest level possible. I do not believe that it will ever be eliminated as people have been using psychoactive substances for at least 6,000 years (found in Egyptian funeral jars of that period).

If addicts live healthy and prosper by such a system, they never had a problem to begin with and we were wrong to control them. If they kill themselves off thereby, good riddance and the problem does not fester for a lifetime infecting others along the way.

I do not imagine this to be a concept that would be embraced by Democrats, but then Democrats are not the party that tosses this political football around in order to deflect attention from their inability to govern effectively.

By reebok

May 2, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

Great cartoon, very funny. Not so funny is the fact that both Colin Powell and George Tenet have suddenly decided to grow a pair AFTER they left office, and only for purposes of distancing themselves from the debacle in Iraq. Where were their stones 3,300 American lives and $5B ago…?

By Paul

May 2, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

getalife

Your making assumptions about my voting history or political views is pretty off the mark. Then again, I’ve found many at the far end of the political spectrums seem to take upon themselves the mantle of omniscience.

Republican 10:16

Now you sound like that great conservative, William F. Buckley! (mild irony, cited to show original ideas among Republican conservatives).

That’s an idea that’s anathema to anyone in politics - Dem or Rep. While it makes all kinds of sense, you’re right, it’ll never see the light of day. BTW - “War on Drugs” policies run largely unchanged through Democratic and Republican administrations. It’s another one of those programs that gets put in place and runs on autopilot (with budget increases to show “progress,” of course).

Some states are putting in effective rehab programs in prison/parole systems. Has really cut back relapse.

By Paul

May 2, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

reebok

What?!!? Colin Powell has a book deal?

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

May 2, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

-=-

Goood Morning Viet New York!~

Will this be yet another “Fox Network” biased News media outlet?

Rupert Murdoch makes a play to own “The Dow Jones” and with it, “The Wall Street Journal”

Yikes!~~

-=-

By LuckoDull

May 2, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

{{{By AntiRadical May 2, 2007 10:16 AM If they kill themselves off thereby, good riddance.}}}

Did you copy that everybody, see how Spammie defines caring for your fellow man the liberal way?

Just so much trash that needs to be dead, huh, Spammie?

All those Iraqi people, better off dead, right? All those Africans dying of malaria cause we outlawed DDT, better off dead. All those junkies, let’s not keep drugs scarce and overpriced, let’s make them plentiful, it will only be those dirty people killing themselves.

You liberals are sick, sick, sick.

I’m talking about sick.

You’re gonna hate 08®.

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By Republican big, Big, BIG GOVERNMENT

May 2, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Seeing how drugs have been illegal and that law has been enforced since like forever, what in the F do Republicans have to do with it?

Harrison Narcotics Tax Act (first federal drug regulation) was championed by Teddy Rossevelt (R), idiot! It was wrong and simple-minded then, and it has proven to be another boondoggle in a long littany of Republican FAILURE!

By Soothsayer

May 2, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

LuckoDull, @@, Truthsayer, BuyDanish, Etc.: Please define “victory” in Iraq. I’m serious—please spell it out. Once you have done so, please give your estimate of the probability of achieving that victory. I’ll check back later for your remarks. You can, however, leave out the namecalling because I am neither a liberal or conservative. I belong to the middle 50% of Americans who are neither.

By Truthman

May 2, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Please do not feed the LuckoDull:

Species: HOMO Sapien

Family: Bushibus Blindedby

Range: Was more widespread, but now it’s range is limited to the Southeastern U.S. and parts of Utah not called Salt Lake City.

Song: Gutteral, angry. Known to parrot Karl Rove and Sean Hannity.

Distinguishing Marks or Characteristics: Mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, wife-beating, “W-04” stickers, divorcing, believing everything is peachy in Iraq.

Similar species: Includes Limbaughtus Idiotus, Coulterus clitorusis and Sonnyus Perdueus!

Should be considered armed and extremely disingenuous. Known to lower IQ of entire regions.

Do Not Feed the LuckoDull!!!

By Cindy

May 2, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

RW, Pull your head out of the sand. Ways and actions speak louder than words.

By LuckoDull

May 2, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

{{{Clinton, who has warned against global warming from the stump and hyped the need for alternative energy such as ethanol, burned through thousands of gallons of jet fuel swooping along the campaign trail - and it’s not clear why she sent an empty plane to wait for her in South Carolina then flew a different jet from Washington the next day.}}}

Because “global warming” rules are for you common people to have to deal with, the elite gasbag liberals don’t have to adjust their behaviors, they just have to tell you how to live.

Hey, I just defined democrats^^, again.

Everybody is starting to figure these people out.

And you’re gonna hate 08®.

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By getalife

May 2, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Your worship of BO gives you away.

It is very easy to see who will vote Dem.

The ones that write their outrage over the illegal occupation and want accountability and oversight.

The ones who know where the buck stops.

I am seeing many pundits, neocons and gop playing the blame game. They know Reid was right.

By Paul

May 2, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Soothsayer

Altho not addressed to me, it has been noted the proper (by position) person to address this to is Senate Majority Leader Sen Reid, who said we “cannot win” in Iraq. He obviously knows the definition of “win” as he said we cannot.

By Truthsayer

May 2, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Victory in Iraq is the ability of the Iraqis to maintain their own security, to continue on a course toward full democratic freedoms and thus to have regular elections and open debate. It also means that their neighbors stop interfering by sending in help to anti-government insurgents. This is the same goal that we had for Germany and Japan after World War II. It is the same goal we had for South Korea. After much effort the goal was met in all of those nations.

What would victory in Iraq be for you?

By @@

May 2, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

One last post to accompany LuckoDull’s 10:26.

(((Stopes, who opened Britain’s first “family planning clinic” in 1921, referred to the children of the poor as “puny and utterly unsatisfactory.”)))

Stopes was an advocate for abortion like the “compassionate” liberals are today.

By getalife

May 2, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

You are counting on the Iraq government fools. The Sunnies are leaving, they are taking two months off in the middle civil war. They are worse than the do nothing gop. They will do nothing while we are there.

Wake up.

By RW-(the original)

May 2, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Cindy @ 10:32,

Should you really lash out at me because you were lying at 9:47? tsk tsk

Examples please???

By Paul

May 2, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

getalife

My “worship” of OR is rooted in the fact he uses his position to work for legislation with which I agree (sanctions against predators), he’s pretty proenvironmental, opposes the death penalty, and conducts interviews in a manner that forces the interviewee/politician to answer specific questions. When the answer dodges the question (see Sen Dodd’s response to taking money from lobbyists in the Democratic debate) OR asks the question again, and again, and again. If that’s worship, I suppose I’m guilty.

Some will vote based upon criteria other than Iraq. Surprise, surprise. (not everyone who opposes the conduct of the Iraq war is a Democrat and everyone who favors a policy other than immediate withdrawal is a Republican neocon. Shattering news, I know, but there you have it).

By Truthsayer

May 2, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

Republican, Big…. The Harrison Act was a wonderful idea then and it still is. You obviously know ZERO about the horrible drug epidemic during the late 19th and early 20th century and how addiction ran rampant. Progressives actually championed these drug laws! You can even order the DVDs on the history of drugs from the History Channel. Educate yourself!

By Republican big, Big, BIG GOVERNMENT

May 2, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

Just so much trash that needs to be dead, huh, Spammie?

I’m all for givin people the freedom to make their own decisions, even if it means they might kill themselves thereby. Republicans just HATE the very idea of a free society, don’t they?

Like any good Republican, LuckDull wants to control and protect us from ourselves, rather we need or want protection by his big, Big, BIG REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT or not!

By Truthsayer

May 2, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Republican Big… - I guess that you are all for legalized murder (Ted Kennedy) and for forgiveness of all debts and obligations and no government at all? Oh, that’s right, you socialists are opposed to any sort of economic freedom, I forgot.

By getalife

May 2, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Oh please Paul.

He shouts over people disagreeing with him and cuts their mikes.

He is freaking wingnut on Faux who thinks he is right about everything when he is dead wrong. There is a long list at Crooks and Liars with video of this lunatic.

Plus, he is phone sex freak with his employees.

By Cindy

May 2, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

RW,

You are the nasty one. I am not lying. I was only trying to encourage you to stop reading and living in the neo-con trash only and look around you. Try living in the Johnston neighborhood for 3 months and getting to know your neighbors there.

I know you think you are very smart because you can paste links.

By Truthman

May 2, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

Poor Ted Kennedy! He’s the only example the tired old neo-con can trot out there.

Please refer to my 10:30 post and replace LuckoDull with your name.

By LuckoDull

May 2, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

{{{By AntiRadical May 2, 2007 10:28 AM Seeing how drugs have been illegal and that law has been enforced since like forever, what in the F do Republicans have to do with it? Harrison Narcotics Tax Act (first federal drug regulation) was championed by Teddy Rossevelt (R), idiot! It was wrong and simple-minded then, and it has proven to be another boondoggle in a long littany of Republican FAILURE!}}}

Roosevelt?

Did Spammie really just reply to me with Roosevelt?

Spammie:

1) Who is in charge of the legislature, the branch of government that proposes and codifies the various laws of the land? This is the year of our Lord 2007, simpleton, look at the calender.

2) If you candy as-s pervert liberals don’t like the law the way it is written should you-

a) Use the Senate and House to conduct witch hunts and show trials against the executive branch?

b) Whine like a baby with a full diaper on a “news” paper’s cartoonists blog?

3) Shouldn’t you stop molesting underaged Thai boys and start paying closer attention to how government works if you are going to spens all your time criticizing it?

Pull your pervert head out of your as-s, loser.

And you’re gonna hate 08®.

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By Cindy

May 2, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

RW,

Do you recall when….Newt Gingrich admitted that he was having an affair at the same time as he was leading the charge against Bill Clinton for having an affair with Monica Lewinsky?

By getalife

May 2, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

“A recent worldwide poll showed that under the Bush presidency, America has become the third most unpopular country in the world — right behind Iran and just ahead of North Korea. Why do you believe that has that happened?”

It not the liberals idiots, the buck stops with w and his party.

By getalife

May 2, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Paul,

If really want a no spin zone , I suggest KO instead of BO

KO actually does use the facts only.

By RW-(the original)

May 2, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Cindy,

Now you’ve added obfuscation to your lashing out. To refresh your memory this is the unsubstantiated claim you made.

{{{{{Yes, it is great fun to pick at the Republicans for their moral failures because ———->they always claim they don’t have them<————. Democrats know they are only human and have their feet on the ground, not on some moral pedestal.}}}}}}

What, pray tell, does that have to do with me living in the Johnston neighborhood? I’ll anticipate your learned response upon my return this afternoon. Perhaps you’ll tell me it has something to do with the space shuttle or some such nonsense.

Maybe you should check with Spammie, aka big biG bIG BIG, about his goals for the Johnston neighborhood. Do you agree with him that the quicker the good folks in that neighborhood are exterminated the better?

To Thomas of many ID’s and rushncap: That note to Cindy means I”M LEAVING NOW so you can crawl out into the open and flame me.

Later!

By getalife

May 2, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this

Paul,

If really want a no spin zone , I suggest KO instead of BO

KO actually does use the facts only.

By Paul

May 2, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

getalife

So what’s your point? Frankly I don’t think he cuts mikes enough (I believe he (rarely) does it for reasons other than disagreement) - I wish more talk shows would when the guest engages in a filibuster or attempts to talk over the other guest. I’ve seen it where one person makes a point, OR asks the other guest to respond, the first starts shouting over, then his/her mic is cut - they look pretty goofy.

“Right” and “wrong” are often a matter of opinion. Again, I notice extremists at both ends of the spectrums define “right” and “wrong” as “agree with me” or “disagree with me.”

For the umpteenth time, I really don’t care what people do with their sex lives. That’s why I don’t care much about the upcoming ‘scandal’ in Washington, DC. You seem to be pretty concerned with private lives of public people. I’m not, I guess that’s a differnce.

Not “right” not “wrong” - just a difference.

By rushncap

May 2, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

So after I completely destroyed your arguments, @@, the best you can do is post way after hours and whine about the fact that I chose Danny Glover over Sean Penn? How pathetic.

P.S. Liberals don’t “advocate” abortion, any more than we “advocate” cosmetic surgery or chewing gum. We advocate people having the ability to choose to do or not do any of these things. You know, freedom. We advocate having that.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

May 2, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

You have to take a long term appproach to this. Let’s look at our right-wing premises. 1) 1 out of 5 people on the planet are Muslims and therefore are simply taking up space here until they enter the gates of hell and besides some of them are real dangerous. 2) 1 out of 5 people are atheist communists and also destined for hell. 3) Panty waste liberals don’t like us killing people unless we have a good reason other than that they are soul-less, God-less creatures that our Lord directs us to kill. No they want something more. Therefore you have to create an enviroment where the people we want to kill now will give us a better reason to kill them later.

You see it will all work out in the end. We make sure everybody hates us so much that they give us a reason and then we will kill them. Of course, if we could just kill the liberals first, then we could skip that whole middle part. Yeah, now there’s a good idea.

RWNJIFG

By RW-(the original)

May 2, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

OOPS, One last post.

Cindy,

Admitting a failure certainly doesn’t sound like claiming you have no human failings to me. Is that the best you can do?

BYE!

By LuckoDull

May 2, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

{{{By AntiRadicalMay 2, 2007 10:43 AM I’m all for givin people the freedom to make their own decisions, even if it means they might kill themselves thereby. Republicans just HATE the very idea of a free society, don’t they?}}}

Spammie: This is what you said {{{If they kill themselves off thereby, good riddance}}}

WTF do “Republicans” have to do with the filth that came out of your mouth??

Are you a hopeless retard who can only spastically reply “republican” over and over again like an idiot, accept when you say “good riddance” to dead human beings?

Weird.

And sick.

You’re gonna hate 08®.

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By Cindy

May 2, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

George W. Bush waged war on Iraq because, in his own words, God “instructed me to strike at Saddam

He totally ignored all the people who God had told that the US should not strike at Saddam. Like I said, holier-than-thou.

By getalife

May 2, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

Nevermind Paul,

There are no opinions in facts (that is spin) but watch your little bully, phone sex freak.

I will consider you not informed and a wingnut like the rest of them. Just another idiot is my opinion.

No spin zone, my a-ss.

Geez.

By Paul

May 2, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

getalife 11:00

Thanks for the suggestion, but as I said the other day, diagramming Olbermann’s expositions shows:

If a guest is involved, generally pick one sympathetic to your position.

On commentary, show a video or read edited comments of the topic/person. Ridicule the coments (do not provide a factually-based counter). Read some more, now ridicule the speaker or writer. No matter the topic, use it to segue to anti-Bush/conservative/Iraq comments. Inject variationss of “how dare they” or “how could they.” Interlace with cutesy namecalling, particularly using a person’s name as the basis.

As I’ve said, I don’t learn (I’m not talking about entertainment or cheerleading) much from watching him - I don’t hear factually-based positions that will translate to other settings - nor do I find him using his position for good on nonpolitical issues, like OR or Oprah. It has nothing to do with “conservative” “liberal” or “libertarian” or “pro or anti-Bush.”

By getalife

May 2, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Right Paul

Idiot.

By Cindy

May 2, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

RW, Living in that neighborhood was just a suggestion on taking a step to learn about the world around you. The Newt example was showing that it is okay for him, but not Clinton; typical holier than thou attitude. Most (please note I did not say all) neo-cons are priveleged people who have been fortunate to have parents to guide and support them, money for spending and have never known want for basic ncecessities. Because of this they can’t imagine that others were raised with less than what they had. Whereas all my life I heard about going to college, many kids only hear about getting the next fix or bottle of booze. Had you been raised in such an environment, I doubt you would have your condescending attitude today.

By Paul

May 2, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

getalife 11:15

Opinions are extrapolated from facts. Opinions extrapolated from other opinions (“Bush staged 9-11 so he could invade Iraq and make his buddies rich”)are simply misinformed opinions.

You really are impressed with peoples’ sex lives, aren’t you? You sure you aren’t really a neocon evangelical Christian?

BTW - I saw the interview you cited on “Crooks and Liars” a well-know website concerned with truth. As I said, I generally go to the source, not to websites with agendas. I’ll agree, that was a pretty uncomfortable interview. But the Colonel was one of the most left wing, America’s what’s wrong in the world military types I’ve ever heard. Then again, scanning her bio, it’s not surprising she made colonel while in the Reserves. Retired military or not, she strikes me as another zealot.

Possibly I was wrong. Does Olbermann (MSNBC) have guests on every night with whom he strongly disagrees?

By LuckoDull

May 2, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

{{{By IN THE PROPAGANDA May 2, 2007 11:33 AM The U.S. Army has ordered soldiers to stop posting to blogs or sending personal e-mail messages, without first clearing the content with a superior officer}}}

Ummm, Prop: FDR did the same thing for ALL citizens of the United States, he was a lib like you.

{{{Despite the absolutist language, the guidelines’ author, Major Ray Ceralde, said there is some leeway in enforcement of the rules. “It is not practical to check all communication, especially private communication,” he noted in an e-mail. “Some units may require that soldiers register their blog with the unit for identification purposes with occasional spot checks after an initial review. Other units may require a review before every posting.”}}}

You know, a sensible way to make sure that traitors aren’t passing secrets to the enemy, being smart in other words.

Something you couldn’t possibly understand.

You’re gonna hate 08®.

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By Truthman

May 2, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Please do not feed the LuckoDull:

Species: HOMO Sapien

Family: Bushibus Blindedby

Range: Was more widespread, but now it’s range is limited to the Southeastern U.S. and parts of Utah not called Salt Lake City.

Song: Gutteral, angry. Known to parrot Karl Rove and Sean Hannity.

Distinguishing Marks or Characteristics: Mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, wife-beating, “W-04” stickers, divorcing, believing everything is peachy in Iraq.

Similar species: Includes Limbaughtus Idiotus, Coulterus clitorusis and Sonnyus Perdueus!

Should be considered armed and extremely disingenuous. Known to lower IQ of entire regions.

Do Not Feed the LuckoDull!!!

By Truthman

May 2, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

FDR - The greatest president of the 20th Century!!

By Cindy

May 2, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

RW,

Holier than thou: boy they loved attacking Clinton: “It’s vile,” said Rep. Mark Foley, R-West Palm Beach. “It’s more sad than anything else, to see someone with such potential throw it all down the drain because of a sexual addiction.”

What hypocrites! Yes, such folks deserve a poke or tow.

By LuckoDull

May 2, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

{{{By IN THE PROPAGANDA May 2, 2007 11:35 AM The religious right Republicans are simply obsessed with sex}}}

You know Prop, I often wonder where people find kook websites like the one you listed, then it dawned on me that you are a kook:

{{{And really creepy sex at that. One of the lead religious right groups, the American Family Association, in addition to promoting a known hate group on its Web site (a group that is lumped together with neo-Nazis and the Klan in a report compiled by the Southern Poverty Law Center), is now publishing on its site a list of what it calls “sexual orientations.” The list is filthy, it’s the kind of thing we would never publish on this blog under any circumstance. It’s not child safe by any means, and the AFA’s Web site should be banned by every child safety filter in the country (please report their site if you know how to do so).}}}

Well, well, sounds like we need to look into this “trash:”

{{{A new study finds that children from religious homes are better behaved than kids who grow up in homes without religious influence. The study, conducted by sociologists at Mississippi State University, asked parents and teachers of more than 16,000 children to rate how much self-control the young people had and how often they exhibited poor behavior.- American Family Association.}}}

Why, the horror!

How dare you try to make kids behave!!

You monsters!

(Look at this punka-ss coward website prop has linked to, the link back to their own articles to prove how awful the Christian people are. They are their own source. Moonbats.)

You’re gonna hate 08®.

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By Midori

May 2, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

where are all the war architects?

What a bunch of f*cking LOSERS!!!

Much like their apologists on this blog.

By getalife

May 2, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

Stop pretending to be intelligent Paul.

Your obvious bias is countering that claim.

Its not about left vs right anymore, it is about right vs wrong and you can’t see this.

There are over one hundred videos on that site of your hero BO. It is hard to spin the video of that idiot but just you did.

Amazing. Yep, you are a full blown wingnut.

It is not called Crooks and liars for nothing.

Watch KO to answer your stupid question. You just might learn the facts instead of the spin.

I doubt you will because it will counter your idiotic mindset.

By Midori

May 2, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

This is a welcome dose of realism after months of optimistic statements from the Bush administration, claiming we would know by the end of the summer if the latest troop escalation was “working.” As Lt. Gen. David Petraeus, the commander of the American military in Iraq has emphasized, the kind of counterinsurgency campaign his troops are now fighting takes years to “work” in any meaningful sense, assuming it ever does.

That pressure will only grow. As increasingly panicky Republicans are all too aware, this is still a democracy, which means America will begin to withdraw from Iraq no later than January of 2009, even if bringing this about requires an electoral rout of the Republican Party in November of next year.

In the end, President Bush’s failure to heed the will of the people isn’t so much an act of principle, but rather an outburst of sheer peevishness. With Democrats in control of Congress, he’s no longer getting a blank check to fund his military adventures. He finds this frustrating, so he’s stamping his foot, covering his ears, and taking his party down with him.

All this is exactly what one would expect in the way of a political farewell gesture from a spoiled rich kid who never grew up. Future generations of historians will note George W. Bush made a mess of every real job he ever had - and, unfortunately for America, the presidency of the United States proved to be no exception.

By Paul

May 2, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Midori

The article omitted Perle.

It also omitted many of the serving general officers of the various services or those from Centcom, including one of the Bush critics who just happened to be in charge of Operations at CENTCOM on the runup to the war.

In short, many are still embedded in Federal service or retired and still exerting influence. Kinda makes one feel all warm and fuzzy, doesn’t it?

By JNH

May 2, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

10:35AM - Also consider the books written by some of these ‘righteous ones.’ You will not see then at your local bookstore (too bad for the false image of piety).

By Paul

May 2, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

getalife 11:55

I just happen to like OR’s show format better than KO’s. I just can’t decide if that’s a fact. Or an opinion. Or a fact based on opinion. Or an opinion based on fact. Maybe it’s a factual opinion. It all gets soooo confusing.

Like I said earlier, I’m not much on zealots at either end of the spectrum. Especially those who want to define others as “right” or “wrong” in all things. That’s waaaay to neocon for me. Your true colors may be