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By Mrs. Godzilla
April 30, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this
Osama Been Hiding continues to make the Bush Administration look foolish.
First we want him dead or alive.
Then we hear the President doesn’t really give him that much thought.
Now Mitt Romney looks at the cost and decides it’s too pricey to get just that one guy.
Peace.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 8:08 AM | Link to this
SAW THIS AND THOUGHT OF LUCKDULL
A new way to deal with our trolls
By georgia 74
April 30, 2007 8:08 AM | Link to this
Tenet sure has the snakes squirming this morning. Nothing will get done at the White House today, thanks George.
By Mike
April 30, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this
Gee I wonder if Mikey will ever draw Bin-Laden in a critical light. Of course that would require Mikey to love his country more than he hates Bush, so it will never happen.
Wouldn’t it be great if American cartoonists like Mikey EVER criticized terrorists?
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 8:14 AM | Link to this
The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, No. 289
By Truthsayer
April 30, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this
Another cartoon in very poor taste, congratulations, you continue to be outrageous and vapid Mike.
IN THE NEWS - I would give you a link for the top 10 liberal idiots, but I don’t think that it can be narrowed down so much. You see, to be an American liberal, you have to be a fool. The two go together like peanut butter and jelly.
By DebbieDoRight
April 30, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this
So sad and so true. Great toon Mike.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this
Speaking of George Tenet, I smell a lawsuit.
George Tenet’s Imaginary encounter. THE WEEKLY STANDARD has now learned of a second, more stunning error in Tenet’s book . According to Michiko Kakutani’s review in Saturday’s Times, {{{On the day after 9/11, he [Tenet] adds, he ran into Richard Perle, a leading neoconservative and the head of the Defense Policy Board, coming out of the White House. He says Mr. Perle turned to him and said: “Iraq has to pay a price for what happened yesterday. They bear responsibility.”}}}Here’s the problem: Richard Perle was in France on that day, unable to fly back after September 11. In fact Perle did not return to the United State until September 15.
By wildbillhiltner
April 30, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this
Hey Mike, you forgot to show the MSM celebrating OBL’s victory and OBL reciprocating by thanking the MSM for providing the blueprint and resources needed to break the US public’s resolve so that Al Quaeda could win.
By gttim
April 30, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this
Excellent! You nailed it Mike! Sadly, the Bush administration has played right into OBL’s plans. He has an unintelligent President destroying the American way of life, and the Constitution.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 8:30 AM | Link to this
The moral is: Never keep Democrats in your administration. They are incompetent and congenital liars. But hey, since Tenet’s feathers are so ruffled, maybe he can follow in John effing Kerry’s footsteps and throw his Medal of Freedom over the White House fence.
SCOTT SHANE REPORTED in Saturday’s New York Times that former CIA chief George Tenet’s dramatic description in his book, At the Center of the Storm, of an August 2002 presentation at the CIA by defense undersecretary Douglas Feith and his staff, is at the very least misleading. In order to suggest that Feith’s staff was utterly out of its depth, Tenet characterized the main briefer, Tina Shelton, as a “naval reservist.” In fact, she had been a Defense Intelligence Agency analyst for almost two decades. Tenet also claimed that Shelton said in her presentation of Iraq-al Qaeda contacts, “It is an open-and-shut case.” Shelton and Feith both deny she said that. One person who served in government with Shelton told THE WEEKLY STANDARD today he finds it “inconceivable” that Shelton, an experienced analyst, would have made such an unequivocal assertion.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this
THERE IS MORE THAN ONE WAY TO BE A WAR PROFITEER
George Tenet Cashes in on the Iraq War
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this
IN REGARDS TO GEORGE TENET
DEMOCRAT OR A REPUBLICAN ???
””“Government policy experience: Director of Central Intelligence (1997-present); Deputy Director of Central Intelligence (1995-1997); special assistant to the president and senior director for intelligence programs, National Security Council (1993-1995); director, oversight of arms control negotiations between the Soviet Union and the United States, then staff director, Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (1986-1993); legislative assistant and legislative director, Senator John Heinz (1982-1985)
DEM OR REP _ HE”S A TRAITOR
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this
I look forward to the “scientists” like rushncap explaining this away. Maybe they’ll claim that CO2 emissions from Earth drift to Mars. They sure can’t blame it on Hummers and flatulent livestock:
[Mars is being hit by rapid climate change and it is happening so fast that the red planet could lose its southern ice cap, writes Jonathan Leake.//Scientists from Nasa say that Mars has warmed by about 0.5C since the 1970s. This is similar to the warming experienced on Earth over approximately the same period.//Since there is no known life on Mars it suggests rapid changes in planetary climates could be natural phenomena.](http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece
By georgia 74
April 30, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this
The spin and character assination has begun, good luck Bushies, but Tenet’s tough and remember he one of ya’ll. Mission Accomplished!
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this
One more time:
Mars is being hit by rapid climate change and it is happening so fast that the red planet could lose its southern ice cap, writes Jonathan Leake.//Scientists from Nasa say that Mars has warmed by about 0.5C since the 1970s. This is similar to the warming experienced on Earth over approximately the same period.//Since there is no known life on Mars it suggests rapid changes in planetary climates could be natural phenomena.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this
I look forward to the “bushies” explaining this away.
[Did the most powerful Republicans in America have the computer capacity, software skills and electronic infrastructure in place on Election Night 2004 to tamper with the Ohio results to ensure George W. Bush’s re-election?](http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2007/2553
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 8:47 AM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS,
Your evidence is not too convincing, but I’ll revise my comment to:
Never let anyone that was hired by a Democrat Administration remain in office. If a Democrat thought they were worth hiring the odds are they are incompetent and congenital liars.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this
2ND ATTEMPT
Did the most powerful Republicans in America have the computer capacity, software skills and electronic infrastructure in place on Election Night 2004 to tamper with the Ohio results to ensure George W. Bush’s re-election?
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this
Bush’s abstinence chief busted for prostitution
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this
DO YOU STILL HAVE THE URGE TO SURGE??
BAGHDAD — Five U.S. troops were killed in separate attacks in the capital this weekend, including three in a single roadside bombing, the military said Monday, pushing the death toll past 100 in the deadliest month so far this year.
By N-GA
April 30, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this
Van Morrison was great on Saturday night. What many don’t remember is that his old hit song “Brown Eyed Girl” had to be released in the USA with two different versions.
The 45rpm disc had the song on both sides…one version was suitable for radio play and the other was not allowed to be aired publicly.
Does anyone want to guess what the is that was not allowed?
BTW, he sang the banned version Saturday. And the speech police didn’t arrest him.
By @@
April 30, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this
Damn ml, you’re drawing the anti-war liberals “short” this morning?
The comments in the “left” frame!!! If I’ve read them once I’ve read them a gazillion times here. The liberal “echo chamber”.
I wonder how they feel “fetching” for Osama?
Better make that a “space suit” Bin Laden. Bush and the conservatives want to send you into outer space, but for now Iraq will do. Our military is waiting for them.
Internal squabbling between the Taliban and al-Qaeda and exploited by Pakistan forced many al-Qaeda leaders to move from the tribal areas between Pakistan and Afghanistan to Iraq in search of new headquarters from which to operate.
(((This was intolerable for operators such as Hadi, and dozens of them began the move to Iraq from Waziristan and Afghanistan. And Islamabad swooped on the chance when its intelligence learned of Hadi’s movements and passed on the information to the US, thereby closing a powerful chapter of al-Qaeda’s operations.)))
War is messy. The liberals need to clean up their act.
Fetch!!!!!
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 9:03 AM | Link to this
This dude’s fight suit has a bulls eye emblazoned on it.
Put it on and prance around your cave.
Make the pinko®s happy.
Coward.
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From a Man on the ground, not some lib cartoonist in his sheltered political world:
al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) is terrified of a democratic country in their midst, and is still brutally attacking Iraqi civilians. But we are implementing a steady buildup of Iraqi military and police and seeing the rewards of having worked with the Iraqis in a cooperative way, often at increased risked to our soldiers. Simultaneously the extremists are learning the consequences of having bombed the Iraqi civilians for the past 4 years. Sunni Sheiks are joining together to fight them, proving AQI’s strategy is a short term one that is unsustainable during years of political progress.
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{{{Mars is being hit by rapid climate change and it is happening so fast that the red planet could lose its southern ice cap, writes Jonathan Leake. Scientists from Nasa say that Mars has warmed by about 0.5C since the 1970s. This is similar to the warming experienced on Earth over approximately the same period.}}}
Similar to Earth’s warming, huh, gee. What do Earth and Mars have in common? Haliburton? Nope. Sheryl Crow? Maybe. The Sun?
Duh.
Cowards.
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{{{However, despite all of the negatives, the overwhelming consensus among those with whom I have spoken to this point is not a belief that we have done everything we can here, and should therefore leave. The belief amongst the troops here, as exemplified by the aforementioned infantry Captain’s statement, is that these people deserve a chance at a better way of life, and that, rather than abandon them to a fate of certain death at the hands of ruthless sectarians, insurgents, and terrorists, we should continue to do everything we can to help rebuild and secure this nation, and to smash those who would destroy what the Iraqi people are building before they can be successful in doing so.}}}
You know, do the right, courageous thing.
Not the Cowardly thing.
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By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this
{{{The smartest woman in America, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., declared that she was wrong to believe “the president when he said he would go to the United Nations and put inspectors into Iraq to determine whether they had WMD.” That’s odd because the congressional resolution for which she voted in October 2002 didn’t promise to send inspectors to Iraq. A small hint that the resolution was not about inspections can be found in its title, “Joint Resolution for the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq.”}}}
This idiot has no idea what she voted for.
Great.
Lucky for us, I remember:
{{{Today we are asked whether to give the President of the United States authority to use force in Iraq should diplomatic efforts fail to dismantle Saddam Hussein’s chemical and biological weapons and his nuclear program. Now, I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has tortured and killed his own people, even his own family members, to maintain his iron grip on power. He used chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurds and on Iranians, killing over 20 thousand people.-Oct 10, 2002}}}
Has it been that long?
Does she not write the important stuff down?
Are her followers a bunch of slam idiots that will believe anything that she says no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary?<———————-!!!!
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Huh, I didn’t think fire could melt steel:
{{{A heavily traveled section of freeway that funnels traffic off the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge collapsed early Sunday after a gasoline tanker truck overturned and erupted into flames, authorities said.}}}
Kinda makes all you 9/11 conspiracy theorists look like a bunch of moonbat cranks, don’t it?
Cowards.
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{{{OUR OPINIONS: Shame on Atlanta- Killing of Kathryn Johnston exposes rot in police ranks that must continue to be investigated.}}}
Not one mention of Shirley Franklin’s “war on drugs” in the whole article.
It’s almost like she’s not in charge, has anyone checked to see if she’s still the mayor?
Oh, wait a minute, she’s a liberal. That means it’s the cops fault and Franklin gets a pass.
Like Bush never does.
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By Jesus
April 30, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this
IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 9:14 AM | Link to this
Today’s cartoon that doesn’t suck like I do
By @@
April 30, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this
Brown-eyed Girl?
I love that song.
I think they should have left it as it was.
Sanitized version:
“Sometimes I’m overcome just thinkin’ about slippin’ and a-slidin’ all along the waterfall with you.”
Hmmmmmmmmm???
Original version:
“Sometimes I’m overcome just thinkin’ about making love in the green grass, behind the stadium with you.”
The original version was sweet and innocent.
The sanitized version opens the door to all sorts of euphemisms.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this
The World According to Moonbats. There sure are a lot of them attending Harvard these days.
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) - A small group of student protesters, including one wearing a black hood and an orange jumpsuit, heckled Attorney General Alberto Gonzales as he posed with old classmates Saturday during their 25-year Harvard Law School reunion.//”The departure was clearly undignified,” said Thomas Becker, a second-year law student who wore the black hood and orange jumpsuit during the protest. “He looked really annoyed.”
I suggest that Harvard kick the moonbat out on his sorry a$$ and let him learn what the word “undignified” really means.
By Paul
April 30, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this
G’mornin’ N-GA
Wasn’t it something about runnin’ and laughin’ and makin’ love in the green grass? Different generation then - even some 14 and 15-year-olds were clueless -
By Paul
April 30, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this
LuckoDull
A followup from Friday - I saw a video of Hillary giving her “America’s ready for a multilingual President” regarding her “southern” (?) accent that comes and goes depending on who she’s talking to. I have to say, given the manner in which she said it, her expression and the audience reaction, I’ll have to put it in the “making a joke” category (same as with Sen McCain).
By Truthsayer
April 30, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this
I believe in being fair. This is joke that I received the other day via e-mail.
Chelsea Clinton is talking to a soldier who has been fighting in Iraq. She asks him if he is scared of anything. He replies: Yes! Osama, Obama and Yo Mamma!
Although mildly amusing as a lame rhyme, it is offensive because although I am no fan of either Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama, I think that to put any American politician in the same catagory, even Harry Reid, is just too over the top and WRONG. You liberals need to remember that as well.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this
BUSH IDEA OF ENERGY ALTERNATIVES???
U.S. Proposal Would Allow Oil Drilling Off Virginia Five-Year Plan Would Also Open Alaskan, Gulf Waters
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this
LIAR AND THIEVES
In a troubling sign for the American-financed rebuilding program in Iraq, inspectors for a federal oversight agency have found that in a sampling of eight projects that the United States had declared successes, seven were no longer operating as designed because of plumbing and electrical failures, lack of proper maintenance, apparent looting and expensive equipment that lay idle.
By Truthsayer
April 30, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS - What alternatives that are IMMEDIATELY available on a large scale would you propose? You libs have a lot in common with Ross Perot - long on identifying problems and short on real solutions.
By Scooter
April 30, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this
Yeah ml, ridding a country of a tyrant, allowing the country to then decide and vote on their rulers, then leaving before those peoples’ newly elected government is capable of defending itself should do a great service to end terrorism.
‘But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after vigorous propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of the new world order- you moved tens of thousands of international force, including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However, when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but these threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your impotence and weaknesses became very clear.
You elected it America, now our patriotic leaders will insist on limiting the War on Terrorism to one front. One might say Al-Qaeda doesn’t have the command structure to manage two fronts and Iraq is serving three goals; establishing representative governments in a region in which hopelessness and despair breed terrorist, ridding the world of a man who’s intentions were evil and never cooperated with the UN, and forcing Al-Qaeda to fight on two fronts while not allowing them to choose the battle field.
But what do I know, I stopped drawing cartoons when I was in grade school.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 9:39 AM | Link to this
[We agree with you that Vice President Dick Cheney and other Bush administration officials took the United States to war for flimsy reasons. We agree that the war of choice in Iraq was ill-advised and wrong headed. But your lament that you are a victim in a process you helped direct is self-serving, misleading and, as head of the intelligence community, an admission of failed leadership. You were not a victim. You were a willing participant in a poorly considered policy to start an unnecessary war and you share culpability with Dick Cheney and George Bush for the debacle in Iraq.] (http://noquarter.typepad.com/myweblog/2007/04/letterto_georg.html)
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this
SORRY _ STIFF DIGITS TODAY
We agree with you that Vice President Dick Cheney and other Bush administration officials took the United States to war for flimsy reasons. We agree that the war of choice in Iraq was ill-advised and wrong headed. But your lament that you are a victim in a process you helped direct is self-serving, misleading and, as head of the intelligence community, an admission of failed leadership. You were not a victim. You were a willing participant in a poorly considered policy to start an unnecessary war and you share culpability with Dick Cheney and George Bush for the debacle in Iraq.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this
NO DUH
Time to Outlaw Paperless Electronic
By mike
April 30, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this
Lets see..the war is the fault of the liberals. the mayor is the blame for the APD narco squad murdering an old woman. what a great place to live among all the knuckledraggers who just cant get it right.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this
{{{The 45rpm disc had the song on both sides…one version was suitable for radio play and the other was not allowed to be aired publicly.}}}
N-GA, As usual you don’t know what you’re talking about.
ONE:
As background to the song title, here’s a quote from Van from Into The Music, the 1975 Ritchie Yorke biography: They put out publicity around that time to the fact that it was written specifically about somebody I knew, but it wasn’t. Originally, it was called “Brown Skinned Girl” when I wrote the song. I just thought “Brown Eyed Girl” sounded better or something. I guess it really wouldn’t have made much difference, but “Brown Skinned Girl” was the original title. After we’d recorded it, I looked at the tape box and didn’t even notice that I’d changed the title. That’s how spaced out it was. I looked at the box where I laid it down with my guitar and it said “Brown Eyed Girl” on the tape box. It’s just one of those things that happen.”
TWO:
Record companies always released 2 versions of every Single - one for DJs that has the same song on both sides (the edited version of a Single for radio only ), and the Commercial version which has an A side and a B side.
I know, it’s so much better to contrive some racist conspiracy.
By getalife
April 30, 2007 9:48 AM | Link to this
A new way to deal with our trolls: Hug A Hater
Warning: some harsh language.
By Erik
April 30, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this
The right-wingers who are attacking this cartoon aren’t too bright. The point is that George W. Bush has done more to help Osama bin Laden than anyone in America. If the right-wingers had a clue, they would be incredibly angry, not at Mr. Lukovich, but at their beloved President who has done more to hurt America, its troops, and the anti-terrorism cause than all the liberals in America put together.
By JP
April 30, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this
Great one, mike!
Mike: “Gee I wonder if Mikey will ever draw Bin-Laden in a critical light. Of course that would require Mikey to love his country more than he hates Bush, so it will never happen.”
No liberals I know deny that Bin Laden is an evil ba$$ard who should be found and brought to justice. In fact, the liberals I know are more adamant about that than George Bush! Why do Righties blast liberals for not being harsh enough on Bin Laden, but they give Bush a pass for dropping the ball on catching him?
Can you say “we should have finished the job at Tora Bora before getting distracted by Iraq”? I knew you could!
Food for thought: 9/11 attacks were appalling, but they don’t pose the existential threat politicians make them out to be.
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this
{{{By mike April 30, 2007 9:43 AM Lets see..the war is the fault of the liberals.}}}
Who the F said that?
If we SURRENDER then it will be the fault of the liberals.
Coward.
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By JP
April 30, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this
wildbillhiltner: Before you congratulate the MSM for helping break Americans’ will, shouldn’t you cast a critical eye on the administration for not clearly explaining from the beginning the kind of war they were planning to get us into? This nonsense about “oh yeah, by the way, this is a LONG WAR..now shut up and be supportive!” is just that: NONSENSE.
Bush Co’s failure to harness the bipartisan resolve we had just after 9/11—in fact, their squandering of it by launching an attack on Iraq—does not have any bearing on the Americans who weren’t mobilized for a long difficult fight.
Remember Dick “6 weeks, I doubt 6 months” Rumsfeld? How about finding out who decided to try to sell the war as a short, easy conflict? Start with the source.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this
Scooter,
Great post. Thanks for reminding these monkeys of Bin Laden’s own words.
Erik,
My interpretation of the cartoon is that if the Defeatocrats get their way with their Rapid Surrender Plan, Bin Laden will be able to claim “Mission Accomplished”.
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this
{{{By getalife April 30, 2007 9:48 AM A new way to deal with our trolls: Hug A Hater}}}
Before you pinko®s get too warm to this theme:
{{{In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who intentionally posts derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages about sensitive topics in an established online community such as an online discussion forum to bait users into responding.}}}
Uh, huh:
{{{By LuckoDull April 30, 2007 9:14 AM Today’s cartoon that doesn’t suck like I do}}}
You libs are the trolls here, name jacking Cowards.
Conservatives tell the truth.
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By getalife
April 30, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this
It is not a war.
It is a fraud occupation.
Pay attention the the Waxman hearings and you will see the proof.
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this
What a clown:
{{{By Erik April 30, 2007 9:49 AM The right-wingers who are attacking this cartoon aren’t too bright. The point is that George W. Bush has done more to help Osama bin Laden than anyone in America.}}}
Yes, Erik, we have conclusive proof of your crackpot theory by all the successful attacks Al Qaeda has had on the United States since 9/11.
Duh.
Only with the loony left is no more attacks seen as a strength…. for Al Qaeda.
What a wanker, you libs are the ones building them up into some freaking boogy man.
Bush is killing there as-ses by the boatload.
Who is the one that is hiding in a cave, numbnuts?
Coward.
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By getalife
April 30, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this
Andy,
This is the American people’s blog and you are a troll.
You just need a hug.
Bwa.
By JNH
April 30, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
Hey IN THE NEWS. Loved the links 8:08AM and 8:14AM! Where’s the outrage regarding Romney’s stupid comment?? I suppose the aliens kidnapped that ‘liberal media.’
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
FOR JNH
“It’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.”
By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
It’s great to see that Tony Snow is back at work this morning.
Any thoughts from the Defeatocrats?
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
Let’s Debunk Some Myths Regarding Impeachment
By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this
JNH is IN THE NEWS
What an absolute bottom feeding loser.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this
RW WRONG AS USUAL
LA LA LA
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By getalife
April 30, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this
Its corporate media.
How do you surrender a fraud occupation?
Turn yourself in?
Geez.
By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this
Methinks IN THE NEWS doth protest too much. Your thoughts JNH?
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this
LA LA LA LA
PROTEST PROTEST PROTEST
BUT ME IN A FREE SPEECH ZONE!!!
LA LA LA METHINKS YOU DONT_THINKS!
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this
[Months after dogs and cats started dropping dead of renal failure from melamine-tainted pet food, American consumers are beginning to learn how long and how wide this contaminant has also poisoned the human food supply. Last week, as California officials revealed that at least 45 people are known to have eaten tainted pork, the USDA announced that it would pay farmers millions of dollars to destroy and dispose of thousands of hogs fed “salvaged” pet food. But this is just the tip of the iceberg
By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this
LOCK YOURSELF UP. IT”S DEMOCRATS THAT PUT PROTESTERS IN A FREE SPEECH CAGE.
Your thoughts JNH?
By w00t
April 30, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this
Doesn’t bushy tail always say that thde troops want to stay and finish the so called “job”?
Seventy two percent of U.S. troops in Iraq believe the United States should pull out within one year, a column by Nicholas Kristof in Tuesday’s New York Times reveals. The poll was conducted by Zogby International and is the first poll to examine the attitudes of those currently serving in the wartorn nation.
We have this and several general’s saying we need to get out of there. Who exactly is bush listening too?
If the people of this county, the troops, and the commanders want out of this mess, why does bush keep us there?
Bush needs to let go of his personal pride and self centered ego, and do the right thing by pulling the troops out.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this
HERES A BRIGHT???? IDEA
Business Week writes about how private companies such as Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Carlysle Group are buying up private infrastructure such as key roads, airports and bridges (Golden Gate for $3.4 billion and Brooklyn Bridge for $3.5 billion, for example. Cities supposedly think this is a great idea because they get money they can spend on other things.
By JNH
April 30, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this
No RW (original). JNH is not IN THE NEWS.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this
Bush Zones Go National
By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this
NOT CONVINCING, JNH.
Your thoughts, IN THE NEWS?
getalife,
Why won’t Brian Ross release the entire DC madam list? Must be slam full of Democrats so he has to be very selective in what he reports.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this
RW IS LUCKO DULL
RW IS BUY DANISH,
RW IS @@
RW IS TRUTHSAYER< EDWIN< OLD FUDDY DUDDY
RW IS RANDY
RW _ PLEASE KEEP YOUR “”“THOUGHTS”“” TO YOURSELF
By @@
April 30, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this
I was gonna ask if the liberals here were an extension of Google.
(((So al Qaeda, lacking any concrete achievements, tries to at least gather more mentions in the media. Google is keeping score for the terrorists, and that may be good for the soul, but it won’t take you anywhere else.)))
Dark souls you liberals are. Aiding the enemy with your constant reporting of Al Qaeda’s successes.
You liberals have got these vivid imaginations that won’t allow any “positives” to intrude. Thankfully, our military is inspired by the “positives”, by the “possibilities”.
I always liked what Oriana Fallaci had to say about “imagination”.
“With our progress we have destroyed our only weapon against tedium: that rare weakness we call imagination.”
Liberals….”tedious Goobers”, errrr Googlers.
Outta here!
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this
{{{By w00t April 30, 2007 10:46 AM Doesn’t bushy tail always say that thde troops want to stay and finish the so called “job”?}}}
Hey woosie, where you been?
Ever wonder why Zogby won’t ask the troops if they want to win the war or do you want to lose the war?
You wouldn’t be able to cherry pick and distort the answers from that question.
Let’s see what else the troops thought, taken directly from YOUR link:
{{{Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11, most don’t blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks.}}}
So they think they are fighting Al Qaeda and that Saddam helped them with 9/11.
Yes, let’s believe everything the troops say.
Dullard.
Coward.
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By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this
SORRY STALIN, IT”S A PUBLIC FORUM.
Where is that “truther” moron, Will Jones, when you need him? I want to know why Bush blew up the Bay Bridge and blamed it on a tanker truck. Is the Global War on Tanker Trucks about to begin or is Cheney secretly invested in a new oil transport company?
Your thoughts, Rosie?
By rushncap
April 30, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this
So let’s see: it’s been 4 years since the start of the war. Several months since the much-ballyhooed “surge”. So in April we have lost (so far) 117 soldiers. That’s the second highest single month total to date, and third-highest per day average to date (after April 2004 and March 2003 when we actually invaded). Meanwhile Tenet seems to have gotten fed up with being the scapegoat for everything, and is starting to bite back the hand that sodomizes him. Bush’s AG more than embarrassed himself in front of Congress. Can someone tell me a single positive thing this administration has demonstrably done?
Meanwhile idiots like @@, RW, Muffin and all the others on this blog keep up the drumbeat of “Bush is the greatest thing since sliced bread”. What retards.
By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this
rushncap,
Before sliced bread what was the greatest thing?
By the way, when you take the battle to the enemy in a serious way your casualty count is sadly going to go up, but it’s the only real way to defeat them unless you want to kill the entire civilian population too.
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this
{{{By trying to again empower the government to regulate broadcasting, illiberals reveal their lack of confidence in their ability to compete in the marketplace of ideas, and their disdain for consumer sovereignty—and hence for the public.}}}
They can’t think on their own in other words.
Plus we smoke them out of their ivory tower Coward hideouts and expose them for the mindless gasbags that they really are.
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By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this
McCain’s New Title: Most Absent Senator In 110th Congress
By Randy
April 30, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this
George Tenet is your typical whiney-a* liberal. He was the director of the CIA for chrissake. Now he wants to blame the administration for feeding him false intelligence?
WTF was his job anyway? Wasn’t he the DIRECTOR of the CIA?
What a moron! Does he know how stupid that sounds?
Whining because somebody leaked his SLAM DUNK and destroyed his career.
WhyTF do the libs always look for someone else to put their blame on.
Frvcking losers.
By rushncap
April 30, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this
No, no, RW, I understand. More Americans dying is a sign of progress. Brilliant!
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this
{{{Meanwhile Tenet seems to have gotten fed up with being the scapegoat for everything, and is starting to bite back the hand that sodomizes him.}}}
Is is just me, or is that a very bizarre analogy, that only a deviant like rushncap could think up.
By Soothsayer
April 30, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this
The tiger kills the elephant by biting it once a day. We learned this lesson in Vietnam but have forgotten it since. We unfortunately are having to relearn it today. Rule of thumb: don’t enter a war where the other side doesn’t wear uniforms.
By rushncap
April 30, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this
It’s just you, Muffin. It’s just you.
By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this
Buy Danish,
It does tell us what rushncap does with his off hand when he visits his “productivity” sites.
EWWWWWWWWW…….
rushncap,
Were the D-Day landings a sign of progress?
By rushncap
April 30, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this
Yes, D Day was a sign of progress. I guess in your mind so was V Tech. And I guess scum like you is rooting for us to make twice as much “progress” next month.
BTW, RW, I know you can’t answer this, but I still thought I’d ask: other than our soldiers dying by the dozens, do you have any benchmarks for our “progress” in Iraq? Or the death toll sufficient?
By JNH
April 30, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS DOTH PROTEST TOO MUCH - 10:30AM. What’s the point? Without the right to free speech and to protest (within appropriate guidelines), we will cease to be a democracy. If you disagre with a protestor’s point of view, get over it!!!
By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this
D-Day is like a mass murder at V-Tech????
rushncap,
Are you toasted this morning? And I can answer your silly a-ss question, but I already have about twenty thousand times on this board so I’ll have to deduce that you don’t like the answer.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this
RW,
Speaking of D-Day, I was just about to post this, to put the casualties in Iraq in perspective:
World War II was the single deadliest conflict the world has ever seen, causing many tens of millions of deaths. The tables below provide a detailed country-by-country count of death by side.
Freakoid rushncap,
They’re your words - You own them. Although in all fairness the use of the word “bite” could have been written by or about Bill Clinton too, so you’re not alone. Maybe there’s a Deviants Anonymous group you could join. Or if nothing like this exists, maybe you could be a pioneer in this area and start one up.
By w00t
April 30, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this
D-day was a ONE event. Yes it is understood that a great loss of life occurred.
However, the troop death count in Iraq has been on an upward trend. You would expect, after you have defeated the army and killed it’s leaders, that troops deaths would go down. However, this is not the case. After four years, Iraq should be a much more stable country than it currently is.
This is also very true for the deaths Iraqi people. I would hope that everyone could agree that they would expect to see progress in a country where “Major Military Operations have ended” after almost four years. Where people are rebuilding their lives and infrastructure is rebuilt. You can’t just decided and say, “we’ll decide that progress will start from here” You don’t get a “do-over”, or a free pass. The clock starts the day you enter the country.
By Paul
April 30, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this
One thing I haven’t heard commented on by the group (although they’re not all here) who tend to repeat “Bush lied about WMDs to invade Iraq”: Tenet said, from the Clinton administration through the invasion, that he was convinced Iraq had WMDs. He also said there was a very real fear that those WMDs (100-500 tons of chemical and biological agents) could make their way to terrorist groups.
Doesn’t do much for “Bush lied” when the Director, Central Intelligence Agency tells the President Iraq possessed WMDs, does it?
By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this
wOOt,
We aren’t fighting against Iraq now. Try to keep up. It’s a new war in the old location, k?
Buy Danish,
Thanks for the perspective. I’ve got some errands to run so I’ll “see” you guys later. I’m still absolutely astonished that rushnacap thinks WWII was as senseless as the V-Tech murders, but I guess it’s because his side lost.
Later!
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this
{{{By Randy April 30, 2007 11:29 AM George Tenet is your typical whiney-a* liberal. He was the director of the CIA for chrissake. Now he wants to blame the administration for feeding him false intelligence? What a moron! Does he know how stupid that sounds?}}}
Randy: The liberals, being the childlike creatures that they are, think this is a wonderful defense and have set about attacking the Bush administration for not telling his intelligence agency what was going on in the world. (If you could only see all the pinko®s blinking right now, boy, would we laugh.)
Tenet’s fall back position is “you believed what I told you?”
Ridiculous, isn’t it?
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By getalife
April 30, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this
Ah, the trolls are spinning what Tenet said as usual.
The fact of the matter is he was dead wrong.
He is pimping at the wrong time and would not be surprised if he testifies after Condi in the Waxman hearing on this subject.
He should worry about his reputation and his freedom after he testifies under oath.
By rushncap
April 30, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this
Muffin, I don’t care a jot for your sensibilities. If you are so touchy, leave.
RW, your only landmark for anything seems to be that more Americans are dying. As I said, by that logic V Tech provides the best education amongst American universities. You cannot point to a single sign of progress in Iraq, there is NOTHING positive coming out of there. Nothing. At all. The country is in shambles, no one knows what to do about it, and your idiotic “we mustn’t tell the truth because it hurts morale” is not doing anyone any good. This administration is the worst thing in at least a century, and probably significantly more than that.
By getalife
April 30, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this
BTW Paul,
We already know the claim by w in the SOTU address about the Niger bs was a lie.
Joe Wilson is credible.
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
How about this summation, to give you the full extent of what is so wrong about George Tenet, the CIA and some of the most massive intelligence failures in history, 9/11 comes to mind, consider that Valerie Plame was employed as a “weapons of mass destruction” analyst.
It’s all starting to come together, ain’t it?
Rumsfeld, knowing full well that he couldn’t trust what the CIA was telling him, started his own intelligence service.
Yes, you libs got us this time, jeez.
Don’t you ever get tired of being the fools?
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By Right-wing nut job in full glory
April 30, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this
I agree with Paul that those commie pinkos are wrong when that say that Bush lied, but you want to talk about a real lib conspiracy look up the definition of ‘lie’ in the dictionary. It says that a lie includes just being wrong without knowing it:
LIE:
1 a : an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker to be untrue with intent to deceive b : an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker 2 : something that misleads or deceives
So under the lib, pinko, commie, won’t kill a Muslim for fun, definition of lie, Bush lied. Maybe english has a liberal bias.
RWNJIFG
By bon scott
April 30, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this
By RW-(the original) - April 30, 2007 11:00 AM - getalife, Why won’t Brian Ross release the entire DC madam list? Must be slam full of Democrats so he has to be very selective in what he reports.
Forgive me, O great self anointed blog moderator, for answering a question addressed to someone else. Nah, don’t forgive me. Like most little despots, you’re very sensitive to criticism.
You must have missed that class on “innocent until proven guilty”.
Hey, remember Richard Jewell, the prime suspect in the 1996 Atlanta Olympics bombing? Hounded by the authorities and the press until the anti-abortionist crowd’s favorite pyrotechnics hobbyist, Eric Rudolph, confessed to the crime.
Just how many innocent (Democratic) lives do you want ruined by pushing the release of a list from a w******* queen whom I wouldn’t trust with my trash.
The truth will come out. Be patient, my son. Be patient. And keep in mind that Brian Ross, a veteran investigative reporter for NBC and then ABC for decades, who wears his impartiality like a glove, doesn’t pillory anyone without solid evidence from multiple sources.
Unlike “news” outlets like Fox, who have made jumping to conclusions on the flimsiest of evidence corporate policy.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this
{{{By rushncap
April 30, 2007 11:59 AM |
Muffin, I don’t care a jot for your sensibilities. If you are so touchy, leave.}}}
rushncap,
Awwwww. It appears that I have struck a nerve and in predictable deviant moonbat fashion you are projecting your “touchiness” on to me.
It just so happens that I am leaving, but not because of you.
I’ll be back later!
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
April 30, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this
Somebody was talking about keeping libs in intelligence jobs look what Reagan’s NSA director says:
“To put this in a simple army metaphor, the Commander-in-Chief seems to have gone AWOL, that is ‘absent without leave.’ He neither acts nor talks as though he is in charge. Rather, he engages in t**-for-tat games…I hope the President seizes this moment for a basic change in course and signs the bill the Congress has sent him. I will respect him greatly for such a rare act of courage, and so too, I suspect, will most Americans.” - Lieutenant General William E. Odom
How do pinkos get to be Generals anyway? How did he sneak by Reagan’s commie radar? I guess all you can say is that these Leninists are a clever bunch.
RWNJIFG
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this
{{{By rushncap April 30, 2007 11:59 AM You cannot point to a single sign of progress in Iraq, there is NOTHING positive coming out of there. Nothing. At all.}}}
rushncrap: When RW says he’s leaving that means that RW is leaving.
It figures a Coward like you would take the opportunity to sling some Bullsh-it arrows in his absence, you didn’t count on me stepping in, did you?
When the Sunnis in Anbar take up arms against their former “allies” Al Qaeda, not only is this good news, it’s a sign that this war is fixing to come to a successful conclusion. For America.
{{{By bonnie scott April 30, 2007 12:05 PM Just how many innocent (Democratic) lives do you want ruined by pushing the release of a list from a w* queen whom I wouldn’t trust with my trash.}}}
Uh, oh, looks like finchie’s name just might be on that list.
And I’ll bet she drives a….. Maserati!
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By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this
Now Sybil Bon Scott imagines that RW is his son. What a psycho.
Bon Scott,
Was it Fox News that led the public to believe that Richard Jewell was guilty?
Bonus question: Who was in the White House at that time.
I’ll check in later to see if you’ve managed to summon up the brain cells to respond.
By Paul
April 30, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this
getalife 12:01
I’d rather not rehash the Wilson credibility thing (lots of repeats - almost all has been said) - but what the Tenet interview on 60 Minutes showed was that the reference had been dropped twice in the rough draft stage. When Tenet got the third draft he didn’t read it - passed it to his exec with the “let me know if anything’s wrong” charge. Evidently the exec didn’t read it, either (or if he did, was incredibly dense) so that was another example of passing off a job he should have done. It was for the State of the Union, for pete’s sake.
Right Wing 12:05
Most people put the “intent/knowledge” elements in the definition. By the other definition, nearly every scientist and doctor in the world are liars.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this
LuckoDull,
Great point about finch being on that list! Didn’t he live in the DC area at one time?
Bwahahahahahaha.
Later…
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
April 30, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this
If you think Tenet is a lefty jerk, apparently he is a moderate relative to some others at CIA:
(“In fall of 2002, [Tenet] was told specifically that there was a high level source in Saddam’s government that was saying, ‘We don’t have WMD,’ ” Johnson said. “George Tenet’s hands are just as bloody as everybody else in this administration in helping gin up what was an unfounded case for war.”
Johnson is a registered Republican who voted for Bush in 2000.)
I can’t believe this commie had the foresight to vote for Bush so that he could claim to be a God-Fearing, America- Loving, Bush fellating, Republican later on. He doesn’t fool me though.
RWNJIFG
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this
{{{By nut job April 30, 2007 12:10 PM blah, blah, blah I hope the President seizes this moment for a basic change in course and signs the bill the Congress has sent him. I will respect him greatly for such a rare act of courage, and so too, I suspect, will most Americans.” - Lieutenant General William E. Odom}}}
Nut hugger: This General Odom?-
{{{What’s Wrong With Cutting and Running? by Gen. (ret.) William E. Odom}}}
Cowards.
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By Paul
April 30, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this
getalife
Reference my 12:01 - a good question is why the reference kept getting reinserted after it had been dropped after the first charge was rejected on advise of CIA. Someone wanted it in there - so it was either being pushed or there was data that led to other conclusions. Still and all - it was the wrong conclusion.
By getalife
April 30, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this
Of course you don’t Paul, it is a losing argument.
May I suggest you stick to the the pathetic strawman bs like the rest of the trolls.
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
April 30, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
Paul,
I know, but don’t we at least have to give those who say Bush lied the benifit of the doubt that they may mean that he was simply wrong and therefore “we were lied into this war?” I mean by the libs English we are clearly there based on lie after lie after lie, because there was little said that was true. I understand that we on the right have the fall back of “yeah, but he didn’t mean it he’s just stupid”, but its just not that great of a defense. I think we ought to change some definitions so that the war is based on “truths” by changing the definition of that word to mean “things we pulled out of our arse.”
RWNJIFG
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
April 30, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this
Yeah Luck, that Odom; quoting from the article that you cite:
“The U.S. invasion of Iraq only serves the interests of:
Osama bin Laden (it made Iraq safe for al-Qaeda, positioned U.S. military personnel in places where al-Qaeda operatives can kill them occasionally, helps radicalize youth throughout the Arab and Muslim world, alienates America’s most important and strongest allies – the Europeans – and squanders U.S. military resources that otherwise might be finishing off al-Qaeda in Pakistan.);
The Iranians (who were invaded by Saddam and who suffered massive casualties in an eight-year war with Iraq.);
And the extremists in both Palestinian and Israeli political circles (who don’t really want a peace settlement without the utter destruction of the other side, and probably believe that bogging the United States down in a war in Iraq that will surely become a war with the rest of Arab world gives them the time and cover to wipe out the other side.)”
Damn, that General is a pinko ain’t he? Why is that General agreeing with Luckovich? I don’t understand. I thought that when I chose to have my thoughts controlled by Rush and Sean that I’d be on the side of the ‘real’ Americans like you know Generals, but now it seems like I’m only on the side of morons like you who cite articles that say that you are wrong. WFT????
RWNJIFG
By N-GA
April 30, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
@@, You are 100% correct, and your recall of both sets of lyrics is impressive.
Paul, you too are correct.
BD - First, I neither said nor implied anything racist in my post. Second, the only records released with 2 versions of the same song were those with lyrics that were deemed unacceptable. However, Louie, Louie was not played on many stations because of what some people thought the lyrics were.
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
{{{By nut job April 30, 2007 12:37 PM Damn, that General is a pinko ain’t he?}}}
Nut hugger: Ummm, yes he is.
You’re quoting him, aren’t you?
And it sounds like a democratic national party press release, don’t it?
Coward.
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By Paul
April 30, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
getalife
Oh, all right. If you want to rehash Joe Wilson I’ll bring up references if you want, but the timeline I saw was that the office of the VP asked a question, it was passed to CIA, Plame said her husband had contacts, Wilson was sent, wrote his report, it went through the normal admin cycle, we had the SOTU, Wilson wrote his op-ed (he’d worked for Kerry, remember), people at Executive “who the heck is this guy?” answer was “not a lot of cred - got the job ‘cause his wife referred him” - Novak writes column (leak from Armitage) Wilson went to a DC blogger, said my gosh, my wife’s covert, press picks it up without verification, hearings in Congress detail some areas where Wilson was right, some wrong,
but bottom line, Wilson was another of those guys (not influenced by loathing for Bush or potential book deals) who took the line “I wasn’t much but I was right and if they’d only listened to me and if Cheney had read my report we wouldn’t have invaded.”
News flash, all. Omit Wilson’s story entirely (even though it made pathetically good political theater). Delete the reference from SOTU. The invasion was still likely going to take place.
So that’s why I didn’t want to rehash it, getalife. If Wilson was right or wrong was irrelevant in the larger context. The topic of the report was one element of many. It was not “if this is true we invade. If it isn’t we stand down.” Even if it had never been raised the end result (invasion) would likely have occurred when it did.
By Who ya gonna believe?
April 30, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish who worked in the record business for many years or a welfare queen named after a geographical location? I’ll go with Buy Danish since the queen has never been right about anything yet.
By Paul
April 30, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this
Right Wing 12:07
I’ll disagree about giving them the benefit of the doubt. Nearly all the statements I’ve heard state Bush knowingly lied, manufactured evidence, disregarded conflicting evidence, knew what he was saying was wrong, persecuted those who disagreed, all because he wanted to invade Iraq for oil, to further a fascist state, so he could monitor overseas calls, torture people, and… oh, you get it. “Intent” and “willful deceit” are key elements in their charges.
I think we can say the war was based on assumptions thought to be correct that turned out to be incorrect. These crossed the intelligence-military-political-social lines. Remember the assumptions about WMDs were consistent from Clinton and Bush administration officials. Clinton sent cruise missiles and the FBI as a response. Bush sent an invasion.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this
MUSICAL INTERLUDE
By Around the table
April 30, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this
I heard on a round table discussion this weekend that George Tenet had broken new ground for the Washington book writing set.
The theory goes that in the past any of the books written by self-important blowhards like Richard Clarke, Paul O’Neil, Joe Wilson and so on could all be sub-titled “If They Had Only Listened To Me!”
Tenet’s book changes all that as it’s sub-title should be, “Why The Hell Did They Listen To Me?”
By getalife
April 30, 2007 12:56 PM | Link to this
Yes, Paul,
The illegal occupation for oil and defense contracts was going to happen and 9/11 gave them the green light to commit this fraud.
Our troops deserve much better than this bulls-hit, dying for the war profiteers. It a pathetic shame and what is worse is the wingnuts cheering on this crime.
Amazing.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this
ANOTHER MUSICAL INTERLUDE
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
HOW DO WE GET THAT MEDAL OF HONOR BACK?
In a letter written Saturday to former CIA Director George Tenet, six former CIA officers described their former boss as “the Alberto Gonzales of the intelligence community,” and called his book “an admission of failed leadership.”
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this
Well pups, it’s time for the first report card for the 110th Congress. In Saturday’s New York Times, some nice folks put together some statistics in an op-ed comparing the work product of the first 3 months of the 110th Congress (1/1/2007 to 3/31/07) with the first quarter of the 109th Congress (1/1/2005 to 3/31/200
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this
The Bush administration is trying to evade responsibility for problems at the Guantánamo Bay prison
By RE
April 30, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this
Paul,
I agree with you, the Uranium claim did not push us into war in Iraq. That had already been decided in 1998, after that, it was all about oppertunity. The oppertunity came on 9/11/01, The US was ready to fight. Afghanistan was the right place to focus on, when we went in it was with wide support from this country and other nations of the world. The push for war in Iraq began soon after 9/11, with widespread exagerations by the administration and it’s allies that Iraq was a threat to the US, and that there were links between Al Queda and Iraq. It was essential to tie Iraq to Al Queda for the purpose of marketing the war. There would be no way to avoid the war, Bush was determined to start the conflict and invaded. I do believe that he had the best intentions and believed that he could bring democracy, freedom and peace to Iraq. the costs of war were downplayed, the length of the war was downplayed, I still remember the quotes of “6 days, 6weeks, I doubt 6 months” and “the Iraqi oil will pay for the war”.
This war was fought on a flawed premise, and the reasons and way we were brought into the war are debatable, but the flawed premise is that having elections somehow will transform a country into a pro-western capitalist peaceful society.
The estimates were done predicting exactly the situation we have now, sectarian violence, increased anti-US sentiment both in the arab world and the world as a whole, increased terrorist attacks worldwide, and greater recruiting for terrorist orginizations. These predictions by the CIA and military were ignored in favor of the theory put forth by PNAC, whose members are such people as Richard Pearle, William Kristol, George W Bush, Robert Kagan, Rumsfeld, cheney, Wolfowitz…. and the list goes on. Basically every voice you heard on the radio or TV in support of the invasion was a member of this think-tank, and had a hand in discarding the warnings about the invasion in favor of thier own theory.
Iraq was a war of choice.
It was based upon a flawed theory.
Don’t be distracted by the details of who said what to who, the decision was made long before that this would be the plan for Iraq, it was decided when GWB was elected and selected members of PNAC for his cabinet, the only thing that delayed the US from invading Iraq was oppertunity.
By Randy
April 30, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this
LuckoDull, Damn straight! Libs are the most ridiculous creatures ever to inhabit this earth. Thank god they’re not multiplying. Tenet must have been sitting around with his thumb up his a*.
Libroils remind me of a bunch dumbfounded critters following one behind the other with their thumbs up each others butts.
Hey you thumbass libs! Do you want to know what conservatives do when some political con-man votes to disable our troops with a stoopid bill? Take a look.
””“”With public opinion tilting firmly toward ending U.S. involvement in the war in Iraq, Rep. Wayne T. Gilchrest (R-Md.) might have expected praise for his votes that would start to bring the troops home. Instead, at town hall meetings on the Eastern Shore, the former Marine and Vietnam combat veteran has been called everything from a coward to a traitor.”“”“
””“”After Rep. Bob Inglis (R-S.C.) voted for a non-binding resolution opposing President Bush’s troop increases, reaction in his district was so furious that local GOP officials all but invited a primary challenge to the reliable conservative. Inglis responded with multiple mailings to his constituents, fence-mending efforts and a video message on his House Web site pleading his case. On subsequent Iraq votes, he has not strayed from the Republican fold.”“”“
””“”The experiences of the few Republicans to vote against the war help explain the remarkable unity that the party has maintained in Washington behind an unpopular president.”“”“
It doesn’t have a damn thing to do with Bush. It’s about our troops you fvcking morons.
Conservatives aren’t a bunch of wishy washy libs roiling in their own misery. We’re REMARKABLE. HELL YEA!
You thumbass libruls make me want to puke.
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this
Here, see if you can translate what this means, remember, don’t go with your first and most obvious conclusions, there’s more to it then that, apparently:
{{{“CIA Director George J. Tenet, questioned about the value of ongoing inspections by the United Nations, said there is “little chance you’ll find weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq unless Hussein cooperates with inspectors. On the other hand, Tenet said he would expect U.S. troops “will find caches of weapons of mass destruction, absolutely,” were they to invade the country. If the United States decides not to go to war with Iraq and instead waits on inspectors, Hussein will continue developing weapons of mass destruction, Tenet said.}}}
Bush should have known he didn’t really mean that!
Cowards.
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By Opportunity or oppertunity?
April 30, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this
exagerations or exaggerations?
Question for the class. When an illiterate takes up blogging, see RE, shouldn’t they at least use a spell checker?
By Paul
April 30, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this
RE 1:14
Well said. I’d always wondered if there was a “hearings bandwagon” why the likes of Perle and Wolfowitz weren’t called. I don’t believe Executive Privilege” would have applied to Perle. Their “histories” go back years. Those two illustrate some of what I’ve said about the power of the bureaucracy and the games it can play.
I’d read a number of articles/books/”reports” a few years back, all with the theme of the geopolitical reasons that overthrowing Saddam and establishing a Western-sympathetic style democracy would have. Lots of discussion of the geopolitical situation, location of Iraq, analysis of the repressive regimes, buildup of young, educated males and the history of revolutionary movements; lack of alternatives (fundamentalist state such as Iran) to monarchies and other repressive regimes; governments funding Al Qeda and other radical groups to take pressure off their regimes -
A laundry list, I know. But nearly every reading had a discussion about how difficult these objectives would be to “sell” as a basis for war. But WMDs, nukes, especially after 9/11 with the concern about what would the next weapons to hit us be? Now, that was salable.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this
‘They sold out the world for an F-16 sale’
By Paul
April 30, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this
Oppertunity 1:25
I’d much rather read a post full of ideas, analysis, cogent arguments, rational discussion, reasoned thought
than comments such as yours. Fixating on spelling or typing does not diminish the value of the ideas presented.
By getalife
April 30, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this
Candy,
Are you okay with cover ups?
Do you love being lied to?
There are no liberals in the WH so where does the buck stop?
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this
WHEN RW POSTS AS RANDY HIS SPELLING SUX
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this
W’s RESUME
By getalife
April 30, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this
Uh please Paul,
Candy blames liberals.
Get real.
You folks need to stop pretending you are intelligent.
Nothing is further from the truth.
Freaking brainwashed cult freaks blaming liberals shows your lack of any intelligence.
By RE
April 30, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this
I don’t give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way. - Mark Twain
I will admit, I never went far in the spelling bees at school.
By Cindy
April 30, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this
Paul, I agree that the Iraq invasion would have happened regardless, but only because bush wanted it. His decision was heavily based on what he wanted to hear. A good leader would have asked more questions of those telling the other side (and there were several of these). People keep going back to Bush I and Clinton as proof of WMD. That is not the smartest thing to do. Why, just why if Hussein was complying? Nobody said he wasn’t complying, he just wouldn’t let in the inspectors. Then they twisted that to mean he wasn’t complying. One doesn’t necessarily mean the other. Plain sense and logic were left out of the invasion decision. Using old data would get a normal CEO fired in a heartbeat or any general defeated. The kind of analysis done by this administration would have sunk a normal corporation and it is a shame they were allowed to run our government in such a manner. Bush lied? I will always believe that. It is plain that he didn’t consider all the information or ask the doubters for more detail. He wanted to invade Iraq and he had to find the way to convince the average trusting citizen. Bottom line; he only wanted what he wanted; not the truth. The most important and current information came from the inspectors on the ground in 2003. They were quickly stopped from finishing their jobs because they were coming up with real proof against the lie. They continually told the world they were not finding WMD.
If bush didn’t lie, then he is just a very, very stupid being who should never have gotten where he is and wouldn’t have on his own merit.
By Opportunity or oppertunity?
April 30, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this
Paul—-Don’t read them then. As you can see at 1:38 RE at least has a sense of humor, unlike you. I do recommend a spell check program though. Firefox can be set up to do it’s own checking and there is one built in with a google toolbar.
My work is done here.
By RE
April 30, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this
Paul,
While hearings would be a way to gain an understanding of what went on, I do not see any way that this would be a crime by the members of PNAC. They had an opinion and expressed it, the plan they had did not work and now we are stuck in Iraq. In so far as the actions, if there was coverup or fabrication, that might have been illegal, but the statements made to the public were always done in such a way as to have a qualifier.
From everything I have seen, under US law the invasion of Iraq was legal. There is question as to international law, but there is enough gray area presented with UN resolutions to make it hard to determine.
There is a lot of focus on campaign financing and tracking where the money comes from, I think there needs to be Media focus, not congressional, on who supports certain think-tanks and policy development companies. (PNAC, AEI, AIpac… etc) The public should be informed as to who these think tanks support and the reasons for them, especially when an administration outsources it’s policy making to one of these entities.
By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!
April 30, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this
-=-
Goood morning Viet Iraq’ —
As the surge continues forth and Bush prepares to veto the money for the troops (Not that they really need it)… uhhm - According to GOP sources.
Well we have our dear Osama Bin Laden. He has been Forgotten, and well the GOP just really doesn’t care about him anymore. He’s not important. We have to keep putting our resources in Iraq where the real danger is! Iraq’!
Oh and The Taliban themselves. Now that they have decided to retake Afghanistan a little bit at a time, (after all it was their country in the first place), we will probably allow them to completly return to their former insane glory. After all, the Taliban are no threat anymore, No one really cares about the Taliban. We must put our might and resources into Iraq’. Uhh Yeah Iraq’ where the real threat to America lies.
Oh and now we come to the anniversary of “Mission Accomplished”.
Now can someone tell me which mission we accomplished? No really Folks! I’d like to know. I mean it’s got to mean something more than a PR STUNT! I want to celebrate our great accomplishments!
Really I do’
(pity we have nothing to celebrate about!)
Thomas/PNAC
By bon scott
April 30, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this
How nice that some California newspaper “forgot” about the emgargo on various New York Times material that’s only supposed to be available to Times premium (“select”) readers.
As usual, she’s funny, and does a great job dissecting the Tenet kerfluffle and other items that led the US into the ridiculously unnecessary Iraq war.
Not since Madame Butterfly has anyone been so cruelly misunderstood and misused. Slam Dunk says that when he pantingly told the president that fetching information on Saddam’s WMD would be a cinch, he did not mean let’s go to war.
No matter how eager Slam Dunk was to tell W. what he wanted to hear while polishing the president’s shoes, the intelligence they craved did not exist. “Let me say it again: CIA found absolutely no linkage between Saddam and 9/11,” the ex-Head Spook writes in his new book, self-effacingly titled “At the Center of the Storm.” Besides, Junior and Darth had already decided to go to war to show the Arabs their moxie
Another star to add to Bush’s legacy as the worst President the US has ever had, heading the “Confederacy of Dunces” now taking up valuable time and space at the White House.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this
There are grounds for wondering whether the Republican party will survive this dilemma.
By getalife
April 30, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this
On a lighter note
At least they are looking for him.
By bon scott
April 30, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this
I should have mentioned that the “she” in the NY Times column I posted above is the work of the always effervescent, bitingly funny and highly observate Maureen Dowd.
It was originally published in the NY Times Saturday.
By Paul
April 30, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this
Cindy 1:42
My earlier point was that absent Wilson and uranium the war would have happened. One can even say the same for WMDs - I’m rather of the opinion there were some “unsalable” reasons the Admin wanted to topple the regime and WMDs were salable. The only reason for “going back to WMDs” is the number of people who seem to think the Clinton Admin never heard of them and it was a Bush invention. Not to use it as a justification for war (which the Admin did).
Did you notice in 60 Min Tenet also said their estimate was Saddam wouldn’t get a nuke - until 2007-2009. If not WMDs, well nukes’ll work.
RE 1:53
Yeah, I know. But every time I think of Perle and Wolfowitz, I just wish there was some way.
Careful what you wish for on tracking the money for think tanks, etc. Look at the reception O’Reilly got when he used Security and Exchange Commission filings to allege Soros funds a number of sites with agendas. The response was quick, harsh - and did not address the point!
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this
{{{By Sir Dullard of Gasbaghdad April 30, 2007 1:56 PM Now can someone tell me which mission we accomplished?}}}
Ummm, we removed Saddam Hussein and his entire army, the fourth largest in the world at the time, from power?
Duh.
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That’s funny, I didn’t even know Moron Dud was still writing, not many people see her anymore hiding behind that subscription wall.
They censored their own columnists, hahaha.
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By Right-wing nut job in full glory
April 30, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this
LuckoDull,
How many pinkos like Lt. Gen. Odum do you think that West Point graduates? I mean we can’t have a military run by wackos. Can we fire all of the West Point grads in the military and replace them with Regent University grads?
Another thing, I know Ronald Reagan is the greatest president ever, so how did he hire this guy to be NSA director? He had to be a flaming lib then and he was meeeting with Reagan almost every day. How didn’t he notice he lack of being a decent American. Hell, now that I think about it Odum would have been working with Ollie too. How did this guy slip through?
Do you think maybe it is us that are wrong? God forbid I know. But is it even a small possibility that we are complete morons and that all of the educated, military types are smarter than us? Just a thought.
RWNJIFG
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this
The Waning of Bill Buckley:
The Waning of the GOP- Meanwhile, George Tenet, former head of the CIA, has just published a book which seems to demonstrate that there was one part ignorance, one part bullheadedness, in the high-level discussions before war became policy. Mr. Tenet at least appears to demonstrate that there was nothing in the nature of a genuine debate on the question.-Bill Buckley
If your intelligence chief tells you a country has WMD, what basis would you have to “debate” him?
Think about it for a second.
Tenet was the “expert.”
Bush and Cheney were the “clients.”
Is this too simple for you pompous windbags to figure out?
Do you debate your doctor?
Jeez.
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By Right-wing nut job in full glory
April 30, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this
LuckoDull,
Some people call Bill Buckley the father of American Conservatism. You know he’d have to be an idiot to be that.
RWNJIFG
By RE
April 30, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this
The presence or lack of Nukes and WMD were the findings.
Going to war was the policy based upon those findings.
That is what GWB’s policy decision was, and that is what he will be judged on. Iraq had never attacked the US.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
DUH [Always Question Your Doctor - Three Stories Why](
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this
DUH
Always Question Your Doctor - Three Stories Why
By Paul
April 30, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this
LuckoDull
I believe Mr. Tenet’s comment in the interview was that there was never a debate about IF the country should go to war. WMDs, striving for a nuclear capability, were both cited as givens. The track everyone seemed to be on was for war - there was not a debate about other options. Then again, they felt sanctions weren’t working (the “Swiss cheese” comment), we knew our “allies” were subverting Oil for Food for their own profit, we knew these same “allies” were selling advanced weaponry to Iraq - so war seemed to be the default position.
On the Democratic debate - both Obama and especially Hillary said that if we were hit by two simultaneous attacks they’d carefully try to find out who sponsored, then hit militarily. I wonder why the press hasn’t followed up on that, so many good questions. What if the “sponsor” was xyz? Not officially, but officers in their intelligence services? What if the “sponsor” is Iran? How do you attack them in a meaningful way.
I said I was surprised the press hasn’t followedup - nah - I’m not really surprised. Now if Rudy had said it…
By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this
Just passing through, but I thought I would drop off some reading material for rushncap and getalife.
RAMADI, Iraq — Anbar Province, long the lawless heartland of the tenacious Sunni Arab resistance, is undergoing a surprising transformation. Violence is ebbing in many areas, shops and schools are reopening, police forces are growing and the insurgency appears to be in retreat.
finchie thinks he’s my Dad now??? WTF? This freak gets stranger by the day. I think it’s about time to check back into the sanitarium bonnie. By the way, “Dad,” publishing the list would give everyone plausible deniability. Oh and Brian Ross is nothing but a hyper-partisan left wing hack.
LuckoDull,
Good call! I bet finch is on the list. Probably about 100 times listed under each personality that floats around in that empty space between his ears.
Later!
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
April 30, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this
Paul,
With respect to Iran, someone a few days ago told me that Iran’s position vis-a-vis the US was “never attack your enemy when he is in the process of killing himself.”
I’m not sure that means, but I thought I’d throw it out there.
RWNJIFG
By Cindy
April 30, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this
So, Paul, Are you saying that if Iran attacked this country and killed our citizens you don’t think we should respond militarily?
By Paul
April 30, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this
Right Wing
That’s one of those little dittys that makes sense. But as was noted earlier: Saddam had no nukes. No WMDs. Said he had WMDs. Even his generals thought so. Nothing had happened for a long time. Suddenly it’s war.
Ahmadinejad has no nukes. Says they’re going to get them. Says they have thousands of centrifuges (UN says “doubtful”). Says he’ll use them to conduct a real Holocaust. He’s made other threats. Even if they’re just threats, you’d have thought he’d have learned bad things can happen when people take you seriously. Unless, of course, he doesn’t care or thinks the payoff is worth it.
By Paul
April 30, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this
Cindy
My post wasn’t about what I think. It was about the two leading Democratic contenders, both anxious to make a case they’ll defend America and are “strong on defense” and what they said in the debate. It was also about the logical followup the press should conduct and a semiserious quip about why it hasn’t.
But the short answer to your question is “No.”
By RE
April 30, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Ahmadinejad is playing a game, but a serious one. If there is anything that the current administration has demonstrated it is that countries with nuclear weapons are treated much better by the US and world community. Look at Pakistan, it supported the taliban, has been an aggresor nation in past wars with India (british drawn maps, the leading cause of tension in the world), and supplied information on nuclear weapons to N Korea, Libya, and who knows what other countries. But they have nukes, so they are treated as an ally. N Korea had sanction after sanction imposed upon it, and was threatened by the US, then they had a nuke detonation. And now they are making headway on getting sanctions lifted.
The idea of sanctions works in some cases. But the cases where it works are in developed countries, not in 3rd world countries. In a 3rd world or country with a dictatorial rule, sanctions hurt the populace and strengthen the dictator. Castro is still around and is only going to leave office feet first. He is alternately hated and praised by his people, but the sanctions, in place since kennedy, have done nothing on his hold of power.
I think the spread of democracy and peaceful nations is better accomplished with the export of US culture, Micky Mouse and Coca Cola, the american dream works better than sanctions or military threat/ actions.
By Power of Light
April 30, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this
Bush is part of an international conspiracy that absolutely must maintain control of Iraq(Babylon) in order to establish a centralized base of operation.
By Paul
April 30, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this
RE
Last paragraph: I wonder if an important lesson from Iraq is the incompatibility of democracy in an Islamic nation. Iran has a “democracy” of sorts - but Khameni is pretty much supreme. Turkey’s a special case - what, three quarters of a million secularists/moderate Muslims just protested in Ankara agains strengtening Islamists? So “democracy?” Possibly - but not American-style. And certainly not the American government view towards the role of religion.
My read is the effect of “US culture” is viewed by many with about as much gratitude as military action. Much of what they see are signs of moral decay, individualism, materialism, etc. Modernization’s another issue - to modernize without adopting the culture of America or the West seems to be the goal of many.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this
I think George Tenet owes the soldiers and their families who have died or been killed or wounded in Iraq part of the proceeds of his book because now he could have stood up and spoke out when he had the chance, when he had the job.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this
Op-ed: ‘Bushified’ federal government ‘isn’t pretty’
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this
[BAGHDAD, April 30 (Reuters) - Up to a dozen loud explosions rocked central Baghdad after nightfall on Monday and smoke was seen rising from the Green Zone government compound, Reuters witnesses said.](
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this
[BAGHDAD, April 30 (Reuters) - Up to a dozen loud explosions rocked central Baghdad after nightfall on Monday and smoke was seen rising from the Green Zone government compound, Reuters witnesses said.](
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this
[BAGHDAD, April 30 (Reuters) - Up to a dozen loud explosions rocked central Baghdad after nightfall on Monday and smoke was seen rising from the Green Zone government compound, Reuters witnesses said.](
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this
SORRY I SSEM TO BE HAVING KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES
Sen. Chuck Hagel returned from his fifth visit to Iraq to become one of two Republicans to join Senate Democrats in voting Thursday to begin withdrawal of U.S. troops.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this
N-GA,
So the punch line to this story was “making love in the green grass”? It’s funny, but I’ve heard that version a gazillion times so I guess the “one that was not allowed to be aired publicly” got aired publicly. Maybe WNEW FM and WPLJ FM in New York played the album version while AM radio played the edited version.
{{{Second, the only records released with 2 versions of the same song were those with lyrics that were deemed unacceptable.}}}
No, different versions of the same song are released all the time to DJs, and it usually has nothing to do with the lyrics. AM radio edited version, Club version, Remixed version, et cetera.
They don’t always release simultaneously and a different version may be released later depending on demand - like at a club that caters to a dance audience.
By IN THE NEWS
April 30, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this
LAST TRY FOR THIS ONE
BAGHDAD, April 30 (Reuters) - Up to a dozen loud explosions rocked central Baghdad after nightfall on Monday and smoke was seen rising from the Green Zone government compound, Reuters witnesses said.
By Power of Light
April 30, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS,
It is about time you started investigating what this war is really about. The New World conspiracy behind it.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this
{{{I wonder if an important lesson from Iraq is the incompatibility of democracy in an Islamic nation.}}}
Paul,
I thought that Iraq was a secular state. That’s what the line the Left has been feeding us all along, and is used to justify their claim that Hussein would never have hooked up with Bin Laden.
Describing Iran as a Democracy is a joke, but under the Shah’s monarchy it certainly was not an Islamic State and was very westernized, and I don’t see why it couldn’t be again.
However, I do believe that Islam is incompatible with our free Representative Republic and we should be very strict about who we allow to emigrate here for that reason. We should not be giving anyone permanent residency here who is not interested in assimilating to our values and way of life.
By bon scott
April 30, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
RW, yo’re so CUTE when you get upset, calling me names I’ve never heard of much less used.
When you attack the poster while ignoring the original post, this poster is filled with serenity and satisfaction.
“Mission Accomplished!” Others will read Maureen Dowd’s musings on the spineless Tenet and the lies that rang out in the Oval Office prior to the Iraq war, and they might learn something about the workings of the most stupid and ignorant White House cabal this country has ever experienced.
For those who missed it the first time around:
http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_5783346
By Paul
April 30, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish
Ahmadinejad was elected - although the Islamists disqualified many candidates during the last election. So it’s a form of democracy, certainly not ours.
Iraq was “secular” - but the “Left” you described never figured out dissimilar parties forming alliances. That is part of the history of Islamists - it’s incompatible with Naziism, but that was not a barrier to an alliance.
Difficulty with Iran now is the power held by Islamists. They aren’t in the habit of ceding to Infidels. Interesting point in immigrants - assimilation with values has always been taken for granted. May be time to rethink - England and Australia are, I believe.
By RE
April 30, 2007 4:00 PM | Link to this
Paul,
The influx of american culture is a catalyst for change in most countries. I would say if you look at china, and how they are progressing towards a more open society, or russia, or the old eastern bloc countries, the change was initiated by american culture being introduced to the populace.
That culture is derided and resisted usually by those in power, and the religious institutions. I would say so far as track records go, the exporting of US culture is more effective than sanctions or military action. Of course the society has to be stable and industrialised enough for it to take effect.
By Midori
April 30, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this
{{{{RW, yo’re so CUTE when you get upset, calling me names I’ve never heard of much less used.}}}}
Bon Scott,
that’s all they have.
that’s all they do.
that’s all, folks.
By steve-o
April 30, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
{{{However, I do believe that Islam is incompatible with our free Representative Republic and we should be very strict about who we allow to emigrate here for that reason. We should not be giving anyone permanent residency here who is not interested in assimilating to our values and way of life.}}}
Buy Danish,
I submit to you the Republic of Turkey and its committment to remaining as a “secular state”. It’s also considered a western democracy.
By steve-o
April 30, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this
RE,
Excellent post at 4:00!
Indeed, the exporting of American culture has had profound effects historically. If we seriously gave student visas to a few thousand Iranian students, lord knows the type of effect that they would have on their country once they returned home.
By Goldie
April 30, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this
The Repug candidates must all know that in order to have a chance to win in ‘08, they’re gonna have to say that it’s time to bring our troops home… America is demanding an end to our occupation of Iraq. We know that all of the Dem candidates are promising to end the occupation, but which Repug will be the one to break from the war cult and announce a time for withdrawal??? There’s no way to win the presidency otherwise.
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
April 30, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish:
“I thought that Iraq was a secular state. That’s what the line the Left has been feeding us all along, and is used to justify their claim that Hussein would never have hooked up with Bin Laden.”
You are correct the left was wrong again. Iraq was an Islamist state which is why they hooked up with Bin Laden to do 9/11.
Now it is a peaceful secular, democratic state that poses no threat to us.
Which reminds me. What armaments, airplanes, radar equipment, naval equipment, weapons systems, etc… should we sell or give to the Iraqis so that they can defend themselves against Iran, Syria, Turkey etc… once we leave? I’d bet we can give them enough so that it won’t be such a cake walk next time we invade. These first 2 have been way too easy. I’m thinking that we should give them nukes. That’ll show the Iranians.
RWNJIFG
By silver
April 30, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this
I am sorry to see circulation is down another 2 point something percent. The AJC has too much talent for that to happen, Luckovich is the best editorial cartoonist I have ever seen, Tucker and Bookman are two of the best editorial writters I have read, and King and the others are all pretty good, except for the Woodenhead guy. He cannot write, he just uses bulletins, like he is some kind of ceo. If cuts are coming, I urge the ajc to cut woodenhead first, and spare the others.
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
Lesbians twice as likely to be obese
I told you Hillary was a bush hog.
Have I ever been wrong?
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{{{By Midori April 30, 2007 4:01 PM {{{{RW, yo’re so CUTE when you get upset, calling me names I’ve never heard of much less used.}}}} Bonnie Scott, that’s all they have. that’s all they do. that’s all, folks.}}}
Yep, Midori would never, NEVER call anyone a name, she’s too “intelligent” for that:
{{{By Midori April 26, 2007 4:44 PM Andy thinks he can be awarded the Medal of Freedom. Trouble is, they don’t give out those medals for being f*cking stupid, insane or drunk.}}}
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By getalife
April 30, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this
Always wrong Andy.
Bush will work with Democrats on Iraq
Sign the bill.
“We don’t want to isolate ourselves” from rest of world, Merkel said.
Ouch, hang in there Germany.
Real leadership is on its way.
By RE
April 30, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this
NEW YORK: The United States may have no military equals, but the challenges to its financial power have become impossible to ignore.
It is a good read about the problems with our debt and weak dollar. Non political
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this
{{{By silver April 30, 2007 4:11 PM Tucker and Kookman are two of the best editorial writters I have read. If cuts are coming, I urge the ajc to cut woodenhead first, and spare the others.}}}
Hahahahahaha, Kookman and Tucker the best editorial writers, that was pretty good.
What, are you trying to save your AJC delivery truck driver job?
Don’t you think you should suck up to the dispatcher and not the editorial board Grand Poohba?
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By Right-wing nut job in full glory
April 30, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this
From Commie Sen. Levin
“The Assembly is apparently planning to go on a two month recess at the end of June. Let me repeat that since it is so unbelievable - the Iraqi Council of Representatives is apparently planning to go on a two month recess at the end of June. And incredibly, Hasan Suneid, a lawmaker and adviser to Prime Minister Maliki, was quoted in the paper the other day as saying that “time is irrelevant.””
I don’t see what the problem is with our troops working through the summer while the Iraqi congress goes on vacation. Afterall it is real, real hot especially in Baghdada while wearing suits and ties. I’m sure that they will get down to the important business that will allow our troops to come home in the mid-fall. And that Iraqi politician is right: time is irrelevant since Bush will give them all the time they need. Why hurry?
RWNJIFG
By N-GA
April 30, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this
BD,
Everyone who listens to the radio TODAY hears the “banned” version. But when it was released (in 1967), it was released with a “radio” version omitting the lyrics “making love in the green grass, behind the stadium”. Even wikipedia posts this info, and they aren’t smarter than a 5th grader.
If you were old enough to listen to the radio back then, you would know the banned version was rarely played on any radio stations. Generally speaking, any station that played that version was also edgy enough to play Lenny Bruce snippets and challenge the status quo as a rule.
And what were you saying earlier about my rascist post? I really want to know.
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this
{{{By Goldie April 30, 2007 4:07 PM There’s no way to win the presidency otherwise.}}}
Victory in Iraq will take the presidency, regain the Senate and put a serious dent into the House.
That right there^^ scares you pinko®s more than Al Qaeda nuking an American city does.
You’re gonna hate 08®.
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By Goldie
April 30, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this
The Iraqi govt. plans a 2-month vacation this summer… and some Repugs are planning to bail out of their party in September. Why wait???
But nuances may no longer be enough to keep Republicans from breaking ranks. GOP leaders warn that they will need dramatic evidence of progress — something that has been in short supply in Iraq — to maintain support for the war. “We need to get some better results from Iraq both politically, economically and militarily, and that needs to happen in the foreseeable future,” said House Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), a Bush administration loyalist. Several moderate Republicans have warned that they are preparing to switch sides unless the troop “surge” shows results.
By getalife
April 30, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this
Geez, they learned from the gop, do nothing Congress.
There goes the oil law.
Wow.
Amazing.
By Goldie
April 30, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this
“Victory in Iraq”??? Dude, you mean to say that all of the terrorists will be killed off before the ‘08 elections? Or are you just counting on another “Mission Accomplished” banner to be hoisted when another “Number 2 Al-qaida guy” gets captured?
ROFLMAO!
By steve-o
April 30, 2007 4:34 PM | Link to this
{{{By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this
Victory in Iraq will take the presidency, regain the Senate and put a serious dent into the House.
That right there^^ scares you pinko®s more than Al Qaeda nuking an American city does.
You’re gonna hate 08®.
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BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! god…i gotta catch my breath….BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…THAT was a good one, MassenDull…still ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!
By getalife
April 30, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this
No more hate in 08.
Andy just needs a hug from Tobias’s friends.
Geez.
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this
At one point, the general suggested he and the reporter take a “dusk” helicopter flight over the city. According to Petraeus: … We flew around. … it was unbelievable. This is a day in which I think there was a car bomb in Iraq … but you could not have told that from what we saw over the city. There were three big amusement parks operational. … rollercoaster kinds of [things] … not just a couple little merry-go-rounds in small neighborhood parks. Restaurants in some parts of the city were booming. Lots of markets were open. The people were on the street. … there had to be a thousand soccer games ongoing. They’re watering the grass in various professional soccer fields — the soccer leagues.
You’re gonna hate 08®.
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By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this
N-GA,
I didn’t say your post was racist. I said that I thought you were implying that since the original version of “Brown Eyed Girl” was “Brown Skinned Girl” that you believed it was censored for racist reasons.
As for the version I heard, I have never heard any version other than the un-censored version which means that the thought police that you claim were on the case weren’t operating in New York City.
Paul,
A democracy where the Mullahs pick the candidates is not a Democracy.
Steve-o,
How “secular” is this?
By getalife
April 30, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this
BTW, Mr. Murtha is telling you what is going to happen.
He has not been wrong yet.
cheney first, then w.
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this
Oh my:
The author is almost the only man (Tenet) who could have known of Zacarias Moussaoui and his co-conspirators—the very man who positively knew they were among us, in flight schools, and then decided to leave them alone. In his latest effusion, he writes: “I do know one thing in my gut. Al-Qaeda is here and waiting.” Well, we all know that much by now. But Tenet is one of the few who knew it then, and not just in his “gut” but in his small brain, and who left us all under open skies. His ridiculous agency, supposedly committed to “HUMINT” under his leadership, could not even do what John Walker Lindh had done—namely, infiltrate the Taliban and the Bin Laden circle. It’s for this reason that the CIA now has to rely on torturing the few suspects it can catch, a policy, incidentally, that Tenet’s book warmly defends. So, the only really interesting question is why the president did not fire this vain and useless person on the very first day of the war.
You’re gonna hate 08®.
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By Andrew
April 30, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
So is the AJC joning the terrorist? Are they saying the terrorist won? The next time a building is blown up in the US, I wonder what the AJC will say then? Will there be a comic of OBL laughing? Maybe Mike Luckovich won’t think he’s so cute when the terrorist storm a school and kill off everyone. Maybe his own child will be killed. What will your comic look like then?
BTW, its leftist biased crap like this that makes the AJC good for little more than house training dogs.
By getalife
April 30, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this
Run Forrest er post Andy post.
Geez.
Is it sinking in yet?
By RE
April 30, 2007 5:06 PM | Link to this
I think a democracy can exist in a muslim state. But there is a competition between a democratic state and a pro US policy state.
Pakistan is a military dictatorship whom we are aligned with. If elections were allowed to occur in Pakistan, the government that would come from them would most likely be anti-western. And armed with nukes.
Look at Saudi Arabia, that is a dictatorship we consitently prop up because they are favorable to US interests. It is odd to me that a country with as much wealth as Saudi Arabia cannot field a military orce capable of defending itself, and for some reason, Arab states cannot seem to get the technology needed to develop their own oil fields.
For generations, going back to at least the fall of the ottoman empire after WW I, UK and US along with other european countries have delt with arab states not as equals but as obstacles in the way of a resource. So we support a small portion of the population, make them very wealthy, and allow dictatorial governments. That is part of the history of Iran, the UK overthrew the democratic government after they decided to nationalize their oil, and installed a shah to protect western interests. The shah was then overthrown in the 1979 revolution.
It is hard to say this way of governance is right and this way is wrong, I would rather have a military dictatorship in pakistan that may be ruthless to it’s citizens than a democratic pakistan that is good to it’s people but is openly hostile to the US and has nukes.
By getalife
April 30, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this
Andrew,
Boo!
Btw, your dog just crapped on you while you are under your bed scared to death.
Geez, grow a freaking spine.
By RE
April 30, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this
Embarassing to post this, but I would rather do it than anyone else. The whole idea of exporting US culture, well I have someone who agrees with me. Unfortunatly, it is Candy Spelling
By Paul
April 30, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this
RE 5:06
regarding your last paragraph: when some of the late afternoon folks return and read it: Duck!
But even when/if we get off of our oil dependency addiction, withdraw our forces from the region and let the UN handle any tribal bloodbaths that will occur, we’ll still have a problem with jihadists.
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
April 30, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this
LuckoDull,
You are missing the whole point of the next election as well as the political strategizing that is going on now. Everybody knows that because the American people, except ones like us, have given up on this war and that there isn’t the political will to take this thing as far as we could to see whether or not we can get a break, I dunno like, the most popular book in Baghdad becoming some political treatise by John Locke.
Therefore, the reality is that the Iraq thing is lost. Everybody knows that. Even you deep down know that much. The real question is who gets the blame for the failure.
If we keep electing Repubs then at some point a Repub president is forced to pull out and then he gets that blame for the chaos that follows, as well as any terrorists attacks that follow which political opportunists will blame on the pull out. On the other hand if a Democrat gets elected we can all just say “Hey we were this close and you commies lost your nerve.” We will know that’s a bunch of BS but who cares if it changes the debate in ‘12 from Repubs are a bunch of incompetent buffoons to the Dems are wimps. That is more in our wheelhouse. Every terror attack ever would be the libs fault if we just let them have their way on this one. Think about it and let the libs take this one on the chin.
RWNJIFG
By steve-o
April 30, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this
I don’t understand how foot basins would pose a threat to democracy. I have cousins that are Muslim. It’s really no big deal.
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this
Well, now we know what’s wrong with getalife:
{{{Brain scans showing how cannabis affects brain function may help explain why heavy consumption of the drug triggers psychosis and schizophrenia in a small number of people, scientists said on Monday.}}}
You’re gonna hate 08®.
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By Andrew
April 30, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this
getalife,
At least I post under my own name. Where is your spine?
Its people like you who don’t think the terrorist will never try to out do 9/11 that will be crying foul when it happens again.
The AJC has no business encoruaging OBL.
If you don’t understand what the terrorist are capable of, watch some of the documentaries on Beslan.
Terrorist love to attack schools. Killing school teachers and female students has become so common in the ME its not even covered that much anymore.
Caution is not fear, its a sign of intelligence. Its a sign that someone/thing is aware of its enviroment. Would you play tag on the connector? Why not afraid of getting run over? or just excercising caution?
By Right-wing nut job in full glory
April 30, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this
LuckoDull,
Should we give the Iraqis radar and missle systems so that they can defend themselves from Iraq even if that equipment may later shoot down a US war plane? If we want a country that can defend itself don’t we risk that the equipment will someday kill our troops? Or should we just protect them forever ourselves b/c they can’t be trusted with the weaponry needed to keep Iran at bay?
I’ve loved this war from the beginning and this is one of the reasons. Such great and wonderful questions to answer that we should have thought about before but didn’t.
Luckowise one. Please enlighten us.
RWNJIFG
By @@
April 30, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this
So Ahmadenijad has asked for a “meet & greet”. Didn’t want it in Turkey, but Egypt??? It’s a go.
So where are they coming from (besides Iran, I know they’ll be travelling from Iran.)
Will it be from a position of strength or weakness? Their economy is suffering due to the sanctions. The populace is p.o.’d. Hell, even Khomeini has reprimanded the little squirt. What’ll ‘ya have…what’ll ‘ya have?
From Stratfor:
The Iranian president has been far more laid-back toward all things American in the past two weeks, suggesting openly that direct talks with the United States might be the way forward. Is this change of heart being made from a feeling of strength or weakness? We have seen quite demonstrably in the past few weeks that the Iraqi Shia — supposedly the Iranians’ biggest asset in the ongoing conflict — {{{are anything but a cohesive group just waiting to be used by their master in Tehran.}}}
All Shiites are NOT aligned with Iran.
(((The May 3-4 meeting at Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt will be critical to watch to see if either side makes any meaningful moves toward cooperation.)))
(((The United States views Iran’s presence at an upcoming international conference in Egypt as positive, U.S. State Department spokesperson Sean McCormack said April 30. McCormack did not confirm whether the United States would hold bilateral talks with Iran at the meeting. Iraq’s neighbors, members of the G-8 and the European Union will meet May 3-4 to discuss the stabilization of Iraq.)))
It WILL BE interesting.
By getalife
April 30, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this
Andrew,
Of course they will attack us.
We bombed the hell out of them.
OBL is in Pakistan planning his next attack.
BTW, my name is Joe and I am not scared.
Grow a freaking spine and quit whining.
By @@
April 30, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this
Yessiree. The Saudis will be there as well. They DO NOT like Iran.
What’ll ‘ya have, what’ll ‘ya have.
(((The Saudis now appear to be in the habit of saving up a bunch of arrested militants over several months and making a big show of the arrests for their own political purposes. The Saudis are an intrinsic part of any deal on Iraq the United States tries to forge, and Saudi Arabia has to show that it has a strong hand to manage the Sunnis. While the Saudis are very obviously showing their commitment in containing al Qaeda, there is growing tension between Riyadh and Washington over how things are turning out in Iraq. What message is Saudi Arabia bringing to the Sharm el-Sheikh summit?)))
Do ‘ya ever feel insignificant in “the greater scheme” of things.
I watch and I wonder….
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this
steve-o,
Is this secular?
How about this attempt to create separate laws for Muslims in Sweden. Think it can’t happen here?
By @@
April 30, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this
Olmert is hanging on by a thread in Israel.
Netanyahu is sitting pretty (very pretty I might add, like in that man is gorgeous AND super intelligent) in the wings.
Bibi…”I’ll be back.”
By Paul
April 30, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this
@@
Thanks for the post. As usual, STRATFOR’s analysis is clearheaded. Possibly the CIA wants to contract out some of their…..??????????
BTW - did you note some commentators and posters who said, in effect, the prob with the CIAs WMD analysis was that it wasn’t “nuanced” enough? Big laugh!
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this
steve-o,
Is this secular enough for you?
The task force’s eventual objectives on American campuses include the following, according to the website: permanent Muslim prayer spaces, ritual washing facilities, separate food and housing for Muslim students, separate hours at athletic facilities for Muslim women, paid imams or religious counselors, and campus observance of Muslim holidays. The task force is already hailing “pioneering” successes. //At Georgetown University, Muslim women can live apart in housing that enables them to “sleep in an Islamic setting,” as the website puts it. According to a student at the time the policy was adopted, the university housing office initially opposed the idea, on grounds that all freshman should have the experience of “living in dorms and dealing with different kinds of people.” That might sound appealing, Muslim students told a reporter in an article featured on the website. But in their view, the reporter wrote, “learning to live with ‘different kinds of people’ ” actually “causes more harm than good” for Muslims, because it requires them to live in an environment that “distracts them from their desire to become better Muslims, and even draw[s] weaker Muslims away from Islam.”
{{{The Muslim Accommodations Task Force is a project of the Muslim Student Association of the U.S. and Canada. MSA’s mission is to enable Muslims here “to practice Islam as a complete way of life,” and its “main goal” is “spreading Islam,” according to its website. The association calls itself the “landmark Muslim organization in North America,” and says it has chapters on 600 campuses.}}}
In other words they are interested in replacing our culture with theirs.
By Paul
April 30, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish
I read the link regarding Muslims wanting separate laws in Sweden. A female Centre Party candidate said that men should be entitled to inherit more than women, because this is what the Quran says.
You know, we may be on to something good with this separate law stuff.
By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this
Earth to finchie,
Errr…I DID answer your point such that it was. Have you been into getalife’s stash?
What’s up with RE actually making some sense today?
Buy Danish,
A few radio stations made a big deal of playing the original version of Brown Eyed Girl, but I heard very few stations play the so called cleaned up version. I heard this same thing in many markets so I think it was mostly an advertising ploy so the stations could claim to breaking some kind of taboo. It worked on N-GA, but he seems pretty easy to fool.
By getalife
April 30, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this
@@,
Not interesting. Rice will not talk to them.
What is interesting is we have two wingnut powers. Both are bat shi-t crazy who speak to God.
Interesting in an insane kind of way.
Which one is more insane? People in both countries are smart enough to want to get rid of both of them.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 6:00 PM | Link to this
No wonder the Left is so inclined to appease and welcome this alien culture:
On MSA’s website (www.msa-national.org), the sort of inclusive language used by the Muslim Accommodations Task Force gives way to hard-hitting advice for insiders. One downloadable publication —“Your Chapter’s Guide to Campus Activism” — describes how activists can advance political positions such as “restoring justice within the Palestinian territories,” and opposition to the Patriot Act and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The cover features a student with a megaphone, and the slogan “Speak Out! Stand Up! Say It Loud!”
{{MSA views itself as America’s moral and political vanguard. “As Muslims, we are a nation elected by God to lead humanity,” the guide announces. On campus, that means initiating “mass mobilization” through “direct action campaigns” à la the 1960s, when students were “itching to fight” for change.}}}
By RE
April 30, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this
BD,
Just come out and say it.
Openly advocate for the genocide of Muslims, quit beating around the bush.
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this
Andrew: Welcome to the blog, uh, nice name.
Don’t pay getalife no mind, he suffers from cannabis induced psychosis.
I’m sure you could tell that already.
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Nut hugger: What don’t you understand about total victory?
Do you really think the Iraqis care if one of you libs gets elected president in 08? Do you think they are just going to stand around and get slaughtered for the next decade, just to ensure a dem majority?
Not likely, they’ve already gotten tired of it, Al Qaeda is getting run off.
Mookie bailed too, heard from him lately?
Nope, this deal is winding down, even the Iranians know it’s time to cut the losses.
Now they’re begging us to stop.
I suppose we can listen to what they have to say.
You’re gonna hate 08®.
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By @@
April 30, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this
Paul:
?????? Assassins?
Yes Paul, I did read those comments. I didn’t watch the segment on 60 minutes. I did see a promotional where Tenet said he was misled to believe…..yakkety yak yak.
I had the same reaction somebody up ^^^ there had.
He was the CIA Director. He was the lead on intelligence. But now it’s “no” “no” “no” from the Tin Man.
With the liberals it’s “know” “know” “know”. Boring!
I also read where Musharraf may be shedding his military uniform in the interest of political salvation, so RE may be disappointed. He won’t be a dictator?
I haven’t had time to really research this Pakistan People’s sump’n sump’n group in Pakistan.
I think I’ll do that now.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this
Hillary must be giving the MSA lessons in lying your a$$ off to suck in Useful Idiot fools like steve-o.
In all these endeavors, however, establishing credibility is vital to success, the guide emphasizes. Activists must “take full advantage of the open-minded environment” on campus, and skillfully employ the language of patriotism and rights.//Thus, activists should take care to position themselves as mainstream Americans. “Make use of terminology like ‘our country,’ ‘our security,’ and ‘we, the American people,’ ” the guide suggests. “Unless you identify with the people, you will never gain the legitimacy to criticize state policies,” though “identifying yourself as an American” will not necessarily preclude criticism.//Activists should also frame their objectives in language that Americans embrace. “Most Americans identify with concepts such as ‘justice,’ ‘self-determination,’ ‘human rights’ and ‘democracy,’ ” the guide explains. “These terms will be constructive when delivering your message, regardless of the issue.”
RW,
You’re probably right about a p.r. stunt, but I missed all the hoopla. Since I never heard the version N-GA claims was forced on him by the thought police, it was easy to conclude that his beef was with the title change of the song.
Paul,
Yuk Yuk. I’m off to find you info about historical alliances with Islamists and the Nazis. I really don’t see much difference. It’s just packaged in a different book cover.
By steve-o
April 30, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish,
The cornerstone of many Christian faiths and sects is to witness and spread the word of God. Does that mean that all Christians are extremists?
The population of Muslims in the US is relatively low, so this fear of a Muslim takeover is pretty misguided. Just as with any other religion, there are always issues and concerns that are addressed in the public arena. It’s thourgh public discourse that we the people determine how public institutions should accomodate Americans of a certain faith. It’s really not that scary.
Also, you seemed to miss the example that I gave of a predominanty Muslim, western democracy in Turkey.
We’re going to be okay.
By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this
Well so much for RE making sense. Glad to see the REal one is back.
By Paul
April 30, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this
@@ 6:07
Actually, I meant “analyses” not “assassins.” (LOL) Far as I know, there isn’t too much complaint about the quality of their work - except from the targets.
I posted this at 11:46 - I’m sure you’ll see the irony of the remarks in light of his offensive against the Administration:
One thing I haven’t heard commented on by the group (although they’re not all here) who tend to repeat “Bush lied about WMDs to invade Iraq”: Tenet said, from the Clinton administration through the invasion, that he was convinced Iraq had WMDs. He also said there was a very real fear that those WMDs (100-500 tons of chemical and biological agents) could make their way to terrorist groups.
Doesn’t do much for “Bush lied” when the Director, Central Intelligence Agency tells the President Iraq possessed WMDs, does it?
By getalife
April 30, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this
Andy,
You said thing about the 06 elections.
Dead wrong as usual but we can count on you being so wrong.
Your batting .000 and should retire.
Geez.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this
RW,
I think you spoke too soon about RE making sense.
RE,
I do not shy away from expressing my beliefs. If I was interested in mass genocide I’d let you know.
I want to secure our borders preserve our culture. Controlling immigration is a reasonable way to accomplish that goal.
steve-0,
Speaking of the “secular Islamic state of Turkey”, here’s a petition complaining about it.
To: All Freedom Loving People Appeal to all MANKIND. All fellow humans, who believe in freedom of expression. Ms. Mary Robinson, Chairperson Human Rights Commission. Mr. Kofi Anan, United Nations Secretary General and Government of Turkey.//The government in Turkey is not secular, its dictatorship. I do not have problem with secularism, but let people express themselves. Here is America and other European countries Muslim women wear Hijab and cover their heads. Turkish government cannot enforce a particular belief on to its population. That is against basic Human rights violations.
By RE
April 30, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this
BD,
The nazis helped set up the Baath party in Iraq.
Just tryin to help
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this
RE,
Do you think that Jeanine Garafalo is under there?
By @@
April 30, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this
Getalife @ 6:00:
Are yu talk’n ta me? Are yu talk’n ta me?
You haven’t grovelled (sp?) yet buddy.
My back is turned, and my nose is in the air.
First you claim to be your “lovable self”, then you call me a liar at Wooten’s?
Pblppptttttt!
By getalife
April 30, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this
Yep RE nailed it.
You can tell when they start howl.
They hate Muslims and want to kill them.
Just say it wingnuts you are not fooling anybody.
By Midori
April 30, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this
Pivotal Ohio 2004 Vote-Kerry Was Ahead-Then Server Went Down for 90 Minutes-Result-Bush Had Lead
Just food for thought.
Save room for desert.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this
Islam and Nazism:
Beyond the obvious dislike of a certain other religion, we have the plain fact that both Nazism and Islam both openly aim at world conquest. Both demand the total subordination of the free will of the individual – the very word “Islam” means submission in Arabic. Both are explicitly anti-nationalist and believe in the liquidation of the nation-state in favor of a “higher” community: in Islam the umma or community of all believers; in Nazism the herrenvolk or master race. Both believe in undemocratic leadership by a privileged knower of an absolute, eternal, and ultimately mystical truth: the caliph or führer respectively. To be fair, in strict Nazism Arabs are racial Semites and thus subhumans, but as Robert Locke has written, the Nazis did not really believe in their racial mythology when they found it inconvenient, and they exploited their commonalities with Islam for all they were worth. If the British army had not stopped Rommel in the sands of El Alamein in 1942, preventing him from conquering the Middle East, the consequences for world history might have been dramatic. What did happen was quite ugly enough.
By getalife
April 30, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this
@@,
I am lovable but my Andy personality is not.
I will stop using it to see if you turn your back on him.
Not!
By rushncap
April 30, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this
Great, RW, Anbar province violence has ebbed. That means it ticked up somewhere else. Big whoop. Guess you never played Whack-A-Mole in your life. Is that why we have lost 117 of our men and women this month alone? Because violence in one province temporarily decreased? Gee, seems like someone was picking up the slack there. Or are all our soldiers dying out of sheer happiness that there is no more violence?
Muffin, take your dime-store psychobabble somewhere else. I don’t really care.
By @@
April 30, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this
Paul:
Say whaaaattt. Tenet lied to Clinton? Or did Clinton lie to Tenet.
I’m sooooo confused. NOT!
Bush Derangement Syndrome comes complete with a set of earplugs. Even I knew that.
I’m off to read.
By rushncap
April 30, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this
@@, you know how to read? Really??
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this
RE,
Yes, I know. I was distracted by more pressing issues taking place on American soil.
Saddam became absolute ruler in 1979 after assassinating over 20 leaders of his own party. He immediately proceeded to implement the Nazi vision of his uncle and the Mufti. In Iraq, Saddam annihilated of his opponents and, using his absolute power, developed a personality-cult around himself reminiscent of the Nazi Furherprincip. Like the Nazis, who sought to implement a new social order based on socialist and nationalist principles, Saddam has sought to develop a united Arab order under his personal control. Imitating the example of Hitler, Saddam set up concentration camps and began to carry out a planned program of genocide against the Kurds.
By Paul
April 30, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish 6:07
No need for the references. I have them. Cooperation between Islamic leaders and Nazis in WWII occurred. And it wasn’t a case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
steve-o
(From “Clash of Civilizations, Huntington, p734) (Pipes, fn 38) “Muslims have but one choice, for modernization requires Westernization… Islam does not offer an alternative way… content must be emulated no less than form… Western civilisation must be acknowledged…Only when Muslims explicitly accept the Western model will they be in a position to technicalize and then to develop…” Hungtinton: “Ataturk…came to a similar view… created a new Turkey out of the ruins of the Ottoman Empire… launced a massive effort both to Westernize it and modernize it.. rejecting the Islamic past… Ataturk made turkey a torn country, Muslim in religion, heritage, customs… but with a ruling elite determined to make it modern, Western and one with the west.”
Some other states are trying to emulate this. Alternate models not including Westernization seem to be more in the fore, though - modernize but reject Westernization.
I think Candy Spelling’s column cited in The Huffington Post about ‘marketing’ America so ‘they will like us’ misses the mark entirely - but is entirely consistent with the “we’re all really the same and can get along if we just get to know each other” philosophy.
By RE
April 30, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this
OK BD, just a recap:
You want muslims to be restricted from entering the US.
You want military action against “islamofacist” states.
You have repeatedly made claims that Islam is a religion of hate.
What am I missing?
The US is not used to people following religious law strictly. The closest we have to religious purists are the Hassidic Jews and the Amish and Mennonites. Most people take religion less seriously, I know plenty of jewish folks who do not think having cheese on a burger or a little shrimp cocktail is going to damn them. The orthodox of any religion tend to make thier own enclave to practice as they choose, same with the muslims. Quit being so scared.
Speaking of which, there is a jewish community in Druid hills, if you look around you will see a wire that loops around a big portion of the neighborhood. The wire is connected to the temple, that way on the sabbath, they are “technically” in the temple so long as they are inside the wire.
Religion is kinda strange, but to each his own.
By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this
rushncap,
Actually, no. I’ve never played Whack-A-Mole. No wonder you’re so screwed up.
Why isn’t anybody talking about the part of Tenet’s book that talks about how successful coercive interrogation is? Guess it doesn’t fit the script.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this
rushncap,
I don’t take orders from you munchkin.
You really are so transparent, and part of your transparency is that you don’t do a very good job of pretending that you care about the welfare of our soldiers.
If you did, you’d listen to them when they tell us they have a job to finish in Iraq and they’re tired of nattering nabobs like you encouraging the enemy to fight harder.
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this
{{{By getalife April 30, 2007 6:16 PM Andy, You said thing about the 06 elections.}}}
gitmo: Go back through the archives and show me where I said anything about Republicans winning in 2006.
It was obvious that they were illin, they let being gay wipe them out, jeez.
I may need to talk to those researchers about heavy dope smoking also causing paranoid delusion, can I volunteer you as a test subject?
I am all knowing and all seeing, and I see much pinko weeping and gnashing of teeth in 2008.
Get ready for it.
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By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this
LuckoDull,
If the Democrats keep holding our troops hostage we may see control of the Senate come back long before the election in 08.
By rushncap
April 30, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this
Ooooh, “nattering nabobs”. Nice one, Muffin. Did you have Rush write that on your left breast at the last taping? I care about live soldiers, Muffin. You only start liking them once they’re in a flag-draped coffin. So much prettier that way for you. So much neater.
Dulce et decorum est, you old hag.
By Paul
April 30, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this
RW-(the original)
I wondered if this was going to be a topic today. Tenet was adamant in his interview - the terrorists gave up nothing until coercive interrogation. The info gave was (paraphrasing) “more valuable than all the information we gained from the FBI, NSA and previous CIA efforts.”
He also said that when first questioned, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (mastermind of 9-11) said he wasn’t going to say anything until he was flown to New York and could meet with a lawyer. Now bump that comment up against Rudy’s firestorm about rolling back legislation and playing defense, and there might just be a good conversation here.
By rushncap
April 30, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this
I’m “screwed up” because I know what Whack-A-Mole is, RW? I’m sorry, did you lose the last neuron you had knocking around in that misshapen bowling ball sitting on top of your neck?
You want to talk about torture? Sure, let’s talk about it. By the way, I never said it’s not effective. I don’t know. I simply know it’s immoral. Torturing Native Americans into accepting Christianity was effective too. Economic prosperity based on slavery was effective as well. Some of us actually care about more than that. You wouldn’t understand. You’d need a conscience for that.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this
RE,
Only a fool like you would think that there is any comparison between Judaism and Islam.
Let me know when Jews start demanding that all sorts of special accomodations be made for them, and demand that we have two different laws. For instance, you’ll have to let me know if they demand separate dorms at Georgetown or if they mingle with the infidels.
You’ll also have to give me a recap of the terrorist attacks that jews have carried out against American interests.
You may want to take a look at what happened in Lebanon, which was a Westernized, majority Christian country. It’s a hellhole now, but I’ll let you do your own research as to what happened.
Anyone who thinks it can’t happen here is incapable of understanding the lessons of history.
By Paul
April 30, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this
rushncap
“Nattering nabobs” is from VP Spiro Agnew’s “Nattering nabobs of negativism.” The same guy, I believe, who gave us the “Silent Majority.” Which led to the bumper sticker “The Majority is not silent, the government is deaf.” Which means the Left’s phrase that the government is deaf to the will of the people - is based upon a Spiro Agnew quote?
By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this
rushncap,
I didn’t say you were screwed up because you know what Whack-A-Mole is, it’s because of you playing it. You did claim to be an adult once didn’t you? Does it keep your arm in shape for your other favorite whacking activity?
Coercive interrogation isn’t torture, by the way. Torture is illegal.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this
I love blogging online. It’s the only time men ever pay any attention to me. My husband messes around on me, I got rejected when I tried to hire an escort, even our poolboy resigned after I invited him in for coffee.
Online politics provides me with the attention my parents and so-called lovers never gave me.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this
Drama Queen rushncap,
What a speech! I bet I could find some rousing things from Stalin along those lines too.
You really, really need to try to conceal your deviant thinking. This is both lame and weird:
{{{Did you have Rush write that on your left breast at the last taping?}}}
What? I can’t make sense of this. Why Left breast not right breast? Do I use your mirror to read what it says?
You also look really foolish when you call someone you have never set eyes on “an old hag”.
By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this
Let’s see, Buy Danish points out how absurd RE’s argument is and then gets nicjacked. Do the math.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this
I love blogging online. It’s the only time men ever pay any attention to me. My husband messes around on me, I got rejected when I tried to hire an escort, even our poolboy resigned after I invited him in for coffee.
Online politics provides me with the attention my parents and so-called lovers never gave me.
By rushncap
April 30, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this
Yes, I’m aware of the “nattering nabobs of negativism”, Paul. The “deaf” quote is actually pretty witty, and I don’t think it’s as much “based on” Agnew’s quote, as it’s making fun of it. Which is common.
RW, did I ever say I’ve played Whack-A-Mole? If so, where? As for semantics, just because I call you an “idiot” does not mean you’re not a “moron”. And just because you call it “coercive interrogation” does not mean it’s not “torture”. This stupidity won’t fly in 3rd grade, don’t try it on me. You’re not a match for me, buddy.
By @@
April 30, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this
rushncap:
Well of course I know how to read. I’m on here aren’t I?
Even words like “irrelevant” which you define in my dictionary.
Getalife:
You’re not Andy…you know that right?
Andy has never called me a liar.
Pblppptttttt!
By @@
April 30, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this
Feed your head, Buy Dumbtwought, Feed your head, you pos.
BD: You horrid commie towelhead terrorists enabling loser!!!
Stay off the blog, Buy Danish, you have no right to blog 80 times a day with your treasonous filth, you total a-hole.
GET LOST!!!!!!
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this
I love blogging online. It’s the only time men ever pay any attention to me. My husband messes around on me, I got rejected when I tried to hire an escort, even our poolboy resigned after I invited him in for coffee.
Online politics provides me with the attention my parents and so-called lovers never gave me.
By Black Danish
April 30, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this
I be don’t liking the democrats. The republicans is good white folks. Dem democrats is sa gonna mess dis country up and den we’s gon be in twouble.
By rushncap
April 30, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this
Ugly old hag (Muff), if the best you can do is carp about “left” vs “right”, maybe you should go to the kiddie blogs. And Muffin, I’m not going to meet you. I don’t need to know what you look like, I’ll sleep better at night if I don’t. Just be happy someone bothered to procreate with you. Cheers!
By RE
April 30, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this
BD,
Islam is an extention of Judaism. Founded on the same books, just like christianity is an extention. Except the Muslims follow the old testament, christians tend not to. See leviticus.
So far as acommodating the minority, next time you are in the store go take a look at how many products are stamped Kosher. Jews make up about 2% of the population. Do you see a simmilarity?
By LuckoDull
April 30, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this
{{{The attack occurred at 8 a.m., about four hours after some 50 gunmen attacked an Iraqi police station in the same area, prompting a firefight and clashes as police chased the gunmen through the narrow streets. Four of the gunmen were killed and two others detained, while one policeman was wounded, police said.}}}
You’re gonna hate 08®.
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By rushncap
April 30, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this
@@, you make your own dictionaries now? Who do you have defining “douchebag”: Bush or Cheney?
By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this
{{{{{You’re not a match for me, buddy.}}}}-By rushncap
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That’s hysterical!
I’ve spent the better part of the last two years destroying your lame a-ss right here on this blog. If you mental midgets didn’t restart history each morning you’d be embarrassed to even show up here. Hell even fools like finch know to change names after they’ve been shown for the half-wits they are.
By RE
April 30, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this
RW,
not how I do things. I don’t nickjack, I think it is funny, but I don’t do it. I try not to label and name call as well. Usually Dunce is about as far as I go, BD does tend to get particularly loathsome on occasion however, something about the combination of ignorance, arrogance and spitefulness she has that gets to me.
By Buy Danish
April 30, 2007 7:20 PM | Link to this
RE,
That was about as lame a response as even a notorious fool like you could come up with.
Kosher food is sold in supermarkets and that is somehow equivalent to women VOLUNTEERING to dress in Burkas and insisting that they live isolated from the American community at large?
You think that some ancient roots in the Old Testament somehow show how similar and therefore harmless they are, kumbaya?
You are a perfect candidate to live in Dhimmitude.
By @@
April 30, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this
Noooo rushncap, “douchebag” is defined by Osama Bin Laden or liberal “namejackers”.
I’m gonna agree with Buy Danish. Your obsession with body parts, female OR male is quite unsettling.
Daily enemas? You probably enjoy those don’t you? You’re weird that way “squirt”.
By RW-(the original)
April 30, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this
RE,
If you did the math you would see that it was Midori that did it. She always waits until someone has been taken to task and then starts her childish game.
I read that you have a spelling problem so I gather you meant to type that it was Buy Danish’s intelligence, confidence, and resourcefulness that got to you.
By pre AmeriKKKan
May 1, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this
bush is OUR saddam, what are we going to do about it?
By Bobby Burnett
May 1, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this
Mike is an American cartoonist, generally giving commentary on American policy. As painful as this cartoon is, it reflects the reality. Our strength, our moral standing, and any chance of success has been reduced. Meanwhile, 2006 produced a great increase in terrorist attacks over 2005, and April gave us the greatest casualty rate in Iraq so far.
By John
May 2, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this
Of course, the thing to remember is that there would be no problem with Islamic terrorism if not for the continuing support and protection of that blight on the Middle East, Israel.
By lonesomerobot
May 2, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this
durn, the right wingers sure get crabby when faced with the truth: they’ve been backing a loser for 6 years.
strange that they would still prefer to lash out like angry, vituperative jerks than just admit the error of their ways and try to do whatever they could to prevent the demise of the republican party…
By john davis
May 2, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this
Liberals may be congenital liars, but with conservatives, it’s a choice.
By Barry
May 2, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
Yes I like this cartoon. This cartoon shows where the money was spent and who is profiting from the war. It is the Hallibuton’s and contracting companies like it, who have political connections to the Bush administration through Vice President Dicj Cheney. After their ouster from office they and their families will be billionaires waiting for to fund the next political candidate to start another war so that they can reap more billions at the expense of the lives of the poor and middle class who are fighting and dieing these wars. This system has got to stop: War for profit and the expense of the common man. God is the only one who willchange this system of things. Let us all pray for the doom that is to come from this holy injustice. “Revelation/Biblical Prophesy” will be fulfilled. These truly are the “last days” of this type of evil, wicked, twisted ruling system.
By Barry
May 2, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this
Yes I like this cartoon. This cartoon shows where the money was spent and who is profiting from the war. It is the Hallibuton’s and contracting companies like it, who have political connections to the Bush administration through Vice President Dicj Cheney. After their ouster from office they and their families will be billionaires waiting for to fund the next political candidate to start another war so that they can reap more billions at the expense of the lives of the poor and middle class who are fighting and dieing these wars. This system has got to stop: War for profit at the expense of the common man. God is the only one who willchange this system of things. Let us all pray for the doom that is to come from this holy injustice. “Revelation/Biblical Prophesy” will be fulfilled. These truly are the “last days” of this type of evil, wicked, twisted ruling system.
By april glaspie
May 2, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this
So let me get this straight. Tenet’s an idiot, a liar, a traitor, and out to get Shrub, and W gave him the Presidential Medal of Freedom; W was a victim of a cruel hoax byy the crew of the USS Abraham Lincoln; Haliburton takes pride in building with quality construction, and the VP deserves every several thou he gets for keeping the contracts coming; and the PNACenturions, led by Dickless Cheney, didn’t actually try to talk Clinton into invading Iraq for petroleum reserves in 1997.
By Power of Light
May 2, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this
Everything that is happening in the world is designed to lead us to a totalitarianistic system of government known as the “New World Order”.