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By Mike Luckovich | Wednesday, April 25, 2007, 06:20 AM

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By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 8:02 AM | Link to this

Famous Tom Delay quotes:

“You can support the troops but not the president.”

“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today”

“So many minority youths had volunteered…that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like myself.” Explaining his failure to enlist during Vietnam.

“I AM the federal government. When asked to put out a cigar in a restaurant and being told it was against government regulations to smoke in the restaurant.

By LuckoDull

April 25, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

Quote of the month:

{{{Do you want to help end the terror in Iraq? Condemn the terrorists as the Cho Seung Hui-like psychopaths they are. Deny them the false celebrity they gain when dubbed “insurgents.”-Austin Bay, Townhall}}}

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The Urinal, on the wrong side of every issue:

{{{2nd cop to plead in woman’s death- Two Atlanta officers are expected to plead guilty later this week to federal civil rights charges as well as voluntary manslaughter.-Urinal}}}

So when does the crack dealer the cops were looking for pay his due?

The cops are the easy target, the fall guys, another step in weakening the protection and safety we all count on.

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{{{Tillman kin point finger at military, Friendly fire death was concealed due to politics-Urinal}}}

The crazed world of the candy as-s liberal, where feelings rule over all, the army was trying to spare the soldiers that ACCIDENTALLY shot Tillman to death the pain of a public spectacle, of living with the notoriety of having killed a football star.

You know, to protect their “feelings.”

But “feelings” don’t make a sh-it to a c** knock liberal in this case, not when the government can be had.

FY, you pieces of excrement.

(P.S. I hadn’t seen the cartoon yet^^, now that I have, FY too.)

That being said, I do not join the criticism against the Pentagon for trying not to reveal to the Tillman family that Pat was killed by friendly fire. Why is it important to know that? In what way does it alter the nature or quality of his death?

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By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

Someone mentioned yesterday that Cheney opened a can of whoop@$$ on Reid. Looks like it was a can of creamed corn instead.

CHENEY: “Yesterday, Senator Reid said the troop surge was against the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group. That is plainly false. The Iraq Study Group report was explicitly favorable toward a troop surge to secure Baghdad.”

FACT: Iraq Study Group says escalation will “not solve the fundamental cause of violence in Iraq.”

CHENEY: “What’s most troubling about Senator Reid’s comments yesterday is his defeatism. Indeed, last week he said the war is already lost. And the timetable legislation that he is now pursuing would guarantee defeat.”

FACT: Americans think Cheney is wrong. From a 4/19 Fox News poll: “[D]o you think it is accurate to compare withdrawal with surrender?” Yes: 33 percent | No: 61 percent

CHENEY: “Senator Reid said he doesn’t have real substantive meetings with the president. Yet immediately following last week’s meeting at the White House, he said, ‘It was a good exchange. Everyone voiced their considered opinion about the war in Iraq.’”

FACT: These two statements don’t contradict. In both, Reid simply says that Bush gave his opinion on Iraq. One is more diplomatic than the other, but they don’t contradict.

CHENEY: “Senator Reid said there should be a regional conference on Iraq. Apparently he doesn’t know that there is going to be one next week.”

FACT: Regional conferences mean little without diplomacy. Reid criticized Bush yesterday for failing to “launch any meaningful diplomatic efforts.” The fact that there is a regional conference means little if the U.S. chooses not to engage Iraq’s neighbors. An account from last month’s regional conference: “So they went, shook hands and chatted briefly. And that was the sum of the direct interaction between American and Iranian delegates at a long-awaited, day-long regional summit on Iraq today in Baghdad. … U.S. and Iranian officials said there were no private conversations of any substance.”

By LuckoDull

April 25, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

Harry’s War- Democrats are taking ownership of a defeat in Iraq.- We’re going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war. Senator Schumer has shown me numbers that are compelling and astounding.—Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, April 12. That’s more than can be said for Mr. Reid and the Democratic left, who are making the job for our troops more difficult by undermining U.S. morale and Iraqi confidence in American support.

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“Global warming” my as-s.

{{{Evergreen, Colo., in the foothills west of Denver, reported 16 inches of snow, and other foothills towns had up to 14 inches. “There’s cars sliding off the roads everywhere,” said Rick Olde, owner of Olde’s Convenience Store in Evergreen.- April 24th.}}}

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{{{Estimates of defensive gun use range from 1.3 million to 2.5 million times per year — and usually the weapons are merely brandished, not fired. That means defensive uses occur about 3-to-5 times as often as violent gun crimes. Just as important, armed victims who resist gun criminals get injured less frequently than unarmed victims who submit. In more than 8 out of 10 cases where the victim pulls a gun, the criminal turns and flees, even if he’s armed. “So much for the quasi-religious faith that more guns mean more murder.”}}}

{{{Finally, two federal government agencies recently examined gun control laws and found no statistically significant evidence to support their effectiveness. In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, and 43 government publications evaluating 80 gun-control measures. The researchers could not identify a single gun-control regulation that reduced violent crime, suicide, or accidents.}}}

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By LuckoDull

April 25, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this

How dare the media call it “Bush’s war on terror.” It’s our war — and it was started by the radical Islamists — not by us. Where will it all stop? http://insider.washingtontimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20070424-102748-9681r

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Why we need to kill these bastards and not try them:

{{{A British court on Wednesday ordered the release of a Moroccan man allegedly linked to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States. Farid Hilali has been held in British prisons for 2 1/2 years while fighting against a Spanish extradition warrant. Justice Janet Smith and Justice Stephen Irwin ruled that Hilali’s detention under a European arrest warrant had become arbitrary and unjustified.}}}

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By LuckoDull

April 25, 2007 8:08 AM | Link to this

{{{By Blackadder April 25, 2007 8:02 AM Famous Tom Delay quotes:}}}

I could have swore Tom Delay resigned.

Are the pinko®s shadow boxing this morning?

Cowards.

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By candide

April 25, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this

Here lies the Fascist Party of America.

By g k chesterton

April 25, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this

Andi, Fallacies to not cease to be fallacies because they become fashion.

By Larry Woolard

April 25, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this

Please run a cartoon showing the five Catholic Supreme Court Justices with the Pope standing over their backs say:” Good Job My Loyal and Faithful Servants!”

By Scooter

April 25, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

Another toon from the standard mold that portrays liberal perceptions, whatever…

I would like people to think of what is more likely to have happened; the commanding officer, directing the mission on the ground, working to keep the friendly fire incident “secret” (to affect his future reviews), or Cheney and Bush sending down concealment orders from D.C? SIDE NOTE: I realize this toon doesn’t portray the concealment orders coming down from D.C.

I still haven’t seen any of the Bush lied crowd present evidence that Saddam disarmed prior to our liberation efforts. Keep in mind the evidence has to outweigh the Clinton appointed Director of the CIA saying WMD’s in Iraq was a “slam dunk”. They won’t be able to provide such evidence and will keep saying Bush lied while telling others they are cult members and sheep.

Perhaps slam dunks aren’t a sure thing for small people?

By @@

April 25, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

Gee ml, the amount of time it took to investigate Pat Tillman’s death pretty much falls in line with the amount of time it took/takes to investigate the many other cases of friendly fire.

The administration has been accused of using Tillman’s death as an opportunity to further the war cause.

Before this in-depth investigation that Waxman has promised, and absent the findings, many have jumped on the opportunistic bandwagon. The anti-war crowd, left-wing blogs (Truthdig) paid Kevin to post his story there.

Then there are the Democrats seeking to destroy Bush and his administration. Why didn’t they launch this investigation before now? Why did they wait for the Tillman family to request it?

Opportunists abound. I know one when I see one and today you ain’t lookin’ too good ml. Pushing the envelope of decency yet again.

My suggestion…..you all need to “stuff it” until the investigation has been completed.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

Scooter - concerning your 8:25:

I don’t think anyone believes that the orders to cover up Tillman’s death came from the very top. They were, however, complicit in the cover up. When the truth was known they continued to deny it was friendly fire.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

Laura Bush wants you to know the President is suffering over Iraq. In fact, Laura told Anne Curry on the Today Show, that the American people need to know that “no one suffers more than their President and I do.” No one? She’s as delusional as her husband. Of course, her husband is the person who caused the suffering — and is the one person who can end it.

I would wager that there are 3,333 families in America that are suffering more than George Bush. And, there are tens of thousands of injured soldiers who are literally suffering.

And George gets a Purple Heart.

What a buffoon.

By Kinja

April 25, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this

Scooter:

It was certainly a gray area before the invasion: Hans Blix found nothing but stated that Iraq did not fully accept the UN resolution to disarm. However, the nuclear program was debunked prior to the war, and Powell’s evidence at the UN council was circumstantial at best. If you are going to commit the lives of our sons and daughters, and the lives of innocent Iraqi people (yes there are quite a few) - you better be DAMN sure your reason is solid.

By Scooter

April 25, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this

Blackadder, …

By Republican Family Values

April 25, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON (AFP) - A pair of high-profile US army figures accused the military of spreading outright lies and manipulating their stories for a hero-starved public, during testimony before Congress Tuesday.

One was Kevin Tillman, the brother of a US football star killed by “friendly fire” in Afghanistan three years ago, who said the military lied about the circumstances of his death to avoid a public relations fiasco and to draw attention from the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.

The other was Jessica Lynch, a female soldier who decried her inaccurate portrayal as a “little girl Rambo,” firing her weapon down to the last bullet before being captured by Iraqis in early 2003, and then daringly saved by US forces nine days later.

“It was not true … I’m still confused as to why they choose to lie and try to make me a legend,” she told the House Government Reform Committee hearing on “Misleading Information from the Battlefield.”

AND

WASHINGTON - An Army Ranger who was with Pat Tillman when he died by friendly fire said Tuesday he was told by a higher-up to conceal that information from Tillman’s family.

“I was ordered not to tell them,” U.S. Army Specialist Bryan O’Neal told the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

AND

BAGHDAD - The Iraqi government withheld recent casualty figures from the United Nations, fearing they would be used to present a grim picture of Iraq that would undermine the coalition’s security efforts, U.N. officials said Wednesday.

Looks like King George and his cronies haven’t had any more success teaching their Iraqi puppet government how to LIE than they have had in teaching our American sons and daughters in uniform how to LIE ! ! !

When will Republicans realiize that it takes an extraordinary lack of character, and decades of determined practice and committment to LIE with the aplomb of a Republican? It just ain’t a job that they can farm out to foreigners or people of true character like our soldiers. Republicans can’t even LIE competently ! ! !

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

Despite the FACT that Blackadder simply plagiarized his 8:03 without attribution it’s complete BS. “FACT” #1 is a lie by way of word manipulation. The Iraq study group said moving troops in to secure Baghdad would be helpful. Blackadder err….the site he steals his words from played off of the word “escalation.

“FACT” # 2 is complete obfuscation. It uses an opinion poll about the war’s popularity to claim surrender isn’t defeat.

“FACT” # 3 is an opinion of Blackadder…err the site he stole his words from. Opinions are in FACT not FACTS.

“FACT” # 4 Assumes FACTS not in evidence. Using Blackadder’s words err…the web site he stole his words from makes the claim that there is no diplomacy involved in the planned discussions. That is absurd on it’s very face and uses as FACT the OPINION of Blackadder err…the site he copied from to claim there isn’t diplomacy because they don’t agree with the administration.

Can of whup@ss it is.

By Scooter

April 25, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

Kinja, absolutely. Saddam made it perfectly clear that he would not cooperate with the UN and Duelffer reported Saddam intended to use his corruption of the Security Council to erode sanctions so he could reconstitute his programs. To just sit back and wait for the UN to fail at disarming yet another tyrant and then send the troops in after Saddam reconstituted his programs, doesn’t sound prudent to me. The UN failed, Saddam was forever uncooperative and the UN did not change Saddam’s intentions, nor his goals. If you think differently, please share your reasoning.

My thinking is as follows; if someone with Saddam’s history continues making “a mockery of the inspection process” (to use a phrase from Pelosi’s duplicitous, politically opportunistic statements), well; at some point the BS will stop and he should answer for his deceit. I think twelve years was long enough, you obviously don’t?

The Middle-East consist of many closed societies and secretively coercive governments and I don’t think we would’ve ever been DAMN sure of much, but you do?

Allah Achbar!, click - bang!

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

{{{{{First he sells our ports to Arabs…}}}}}???????????

Dubai Ports World had an agreement to buy a BRITISH company that operated some US ports.

QUESTION: How can you tell a lie is about to appear on this page?

ANSWER: When the first thing you see is “”“By Blackadder”“”

By Scooter

April 25, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

Well, I was actually curious how Blackadder wold defend Reid’s statements from these portions of the Iraq Study Group.

Security efforts will fail unless the Iraqis have both the capability to hold areas that have been cleared and the will to clear neighborhoods that are home to Shiite militias. U.S. forces can “clear” any neighborhood, but there are neither enough U.S. troops present nor enough support from Iraqi security forces to “hold” neighborhoods so cleared. – from middle of page 15

[Because of the importance of Iraq, the potential for catastrophe, and the role and commitments of the United States in initiating events that have led to the current situation, we believe it would be wrong for the United States to abandon the country through a precipitate withdrawal of troops and support.] – From top of page 30.

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

Scooter,

Beat ya!

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Did anybody see the verbal arse whupping that Jon Stewart laid on John McCain last night about the war? It was awesome to watch indeed!

Also, kudos to the State of Alabama for apologizing for their role in slavery and Jim Crow. It’s amazing how a simple gesture, like passing a resolution, can reflect so much class. I hearby renounce every bad thing that I have ever said about Alabama…well almost everything.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

“By @@

April 25, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

Gee ml, the amount of time it took to investigate Pat Tillman’s death pretty much falls in line with the amount of time it took/takes to investigate the many other cases of friendly fire.”

There was never any question that Tillman was killed by friendly fire.

Fratricide incidents often involve air strikes or artillery, where then you need some investigation of who was where doing what, and who used or didn’t use the checklists designed to avoid such incidents, and lots of other factors.

That didn’t apply here.

Why would you say something so stupid?

Your humble narrator once had some “friendly” 7.62mm bullets striking about 50 feet from us. They were fired from our supporting tanks out at 29 Palms in 1983.

Here’s a pic I took that day:

http://members.aol.com/walterm140/valleyofdeath.jpg

Walt

By Come on in the Water's Fine

April 25, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

KUWAIT CITY - Security should not be an obstacle to investing in Iraq because many parts of the country are not engulfed in violence, a senior U.S. official said Monday.

David Satterfield, an adviser to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Iraq, urged Iraq’s neighbors to invest in the country and called on oil-rich Gulf states to fulfill their pledge to forgive billions of dollars in debt owed by the former regime of Saddam Hussein.

and here is Kuwait’s answer…..

KUWAIT CITY - Kuwait is balking at forgiving Iraq’s $15 billion debt, aides to the Iraqi prime minister said as he made a key visit to the tiny oil-rich state.

Yeh, I just can’t wait to invest MY life savings in the Iraq rathole which will in all probability devolve into civil war as soon as occupying forces withdraw, and then nationalize all foreign investments.

Suuuuuuuure Iraq is a good investment, come on in the water’s fine. Don’t you wonder how much of Satterfield’s life savings is invested in Iraq?

By JP

April 25, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

“the army was trying to spare the soldiers that ACCIDENTALLY shot Tillman to death the pain of a public spectacle, of living with the notoriety of having killed a football star.”

What an embarrassing and disgusting attempt to rationalize the disbursement of lies by the military leadership.

By jpetz

April 25, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

There is nothing admirable about covering up the reason Pat Tillman died. Nor is the distortion of facts in the Jessica Lynch rescue. Any Bush supporter who blames liberals over the Tillman cover-up revelation needs to do some serious soul-searching. If it was my brother who died under similar circumstances I’d want the facts, not lies.

To those that suggest the lies were to protect the Tillman family, I ask “protect them from what?”. Its never right to lie, unless you drink the kool-aid for this administration.

I’m convinced Bush thought he would have a GOP majority to buffer him for his 8 years in office. He got 6 but the jig is up. There are going to be many investigations of this administration because its quite likely laws were broken while the prior GOP Congress looked the other way. The purging of those 8 attorneys, the politicking by the Rove crowd to captive government employees, a violation of the 1939 Hatch Act is enough evidence to convince independent observers how corrupt this administration is. Bush “the uniter” - don’t make me laugh.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Walt & JP,

Since one of you uses the term fratricide and the other puts their emphasis on the word accidentally, are the two of you claiming that Tillman was killed intentionally?

By Paul

April 25, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

This is another good political cartoon. It strikes a nerve, gets people riled up - and people will take it many different ways. At first I saw it as more of the “Bush Administration” lies line - using Pat Tillman’s death. Not accurate, I thought. Then I looked at it with the military included - true, I thought - but the military guy should have been at the lectern. Then I noticed “no Pres Bush.” Hmmm. Then I thought about it in terms of overall Iraq, with the gravestone symbolizing the tragedies that occur in war. So, that’s why I say it is a good cartoon.

Cool pic, Walt. No such thing as “safe” training for combat, is there? Hopefully someone just berated a few people and pressed on with the training - trend then was to dial it back and remove risk to the point of making it less than optimum.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

{{{{{{Then I noticed “no Pres Bush.” Hmmm}}}}}

Paul,

Huh?

By JP

April 25, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this

RW, you’ll need to ask LuckoDull at 8:03AM, as that is who I was quoting in the sentence with the word “accidentally.”

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

JP,

It’s obvious that he was using the emphasis to show it was an accident. I missed the tiny quotation marks in your post, my apologies.

That’s why I use {{{{quote}}}} to show I’m quoting someone else. The kindergarten teacher that runs this blog took away our italics for no apparent reason.

By chris

April 25, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

LuckoDull you are such an idiot!!!!!

By Getalife2

April 25, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

By Buy Danish April 24, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this Getalife, It’s about time you regaled us with tales of your military service

By Buy Danish April 24, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this Getalife, It’s about time you regaled us with tales of your military service

And maybe it is time for you Buy Danish, to regale us with your street corner exploits and maybe some johns gone bad thrillers. You could call it the ‘Toothless Treat Chronicles’. You might even want to throw in some testomonial stuff from your satisfied customers.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

“the army was trying to spare the soldiers that ACCIDENTALLY shot Tillman to death the pain of a public spectacle, of living with the notoriety of having killed a football star.”

What the Army could have done is fry these guys and make clear that this was not the way Rangers act.

The Ranger motto is “Rangers Lead the Way!”

You’d think that would have been important to -someone- in the Ranger organization.

Walt

By regulator

April 25, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

The corruption and dishonesty of this adminstration never ceases to amaze me. History will not even have a category for it.

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

Getalife2,

Thank you for quoting me not once, but twice!

Getalife must be pleased that someone has finally deemed him important enough to nickjack his name.

By Steven Daedalus

April 25, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

By using the term fratracide, I don’t think anybody was saying he was killed intentionally, but that he was killed by fellow soldiers.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

IT’S ABOUT TIME! Kucinich is doing it right. Get rid if Cheney first so when they impeach Dubya, Cheney won’t be sworn in. He is probably the only person who would be worse as president than Bush.

Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, against Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.

By walt

April 25, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

“By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Walt & JP,

Since one of you uses the term fratricide and the other puts their emphasis on the word accidentally, are the two of you claiming that Tillman was killed intentionally?”

Kevin Tillman testified yesterday that Pat did not agree with the invasion of Iraq, noting many of the reasons that Jim Webb and many others clearly foresaw. Pat and Kevin were on that initial invasion.

So, according to some conspiracy buffs, TilLman was indeed killed by the Army.

But that is cracked.

“Fratricide” is just a fancy term for friendly fire. It is always accidental.

Walt

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

Steven Daedalus,

Why not let Walt tell us what he meant?

By the way, the original spelled Steven with a “ph”

By Mrs. Godzilla

April 25, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

Cartoon is wrong.

These guys don’t attend funerals.

By the by, I think Dennis Kucinich looked very Presidential at his news conference yesterday.

By Paul

April 25, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Thanks - eye check time. L just keeps drawing Pres B smaller and smaller. Time to revise my earlier post - there may be just a wee bit of partisan bias there and a desire to demean the Administration, regardless of facts(sarc).

This deceptions in case - and the Jessica Lynch case - began with military authorities. What’s amazing is the internal investigations exposing the truth were also conducted by military authorities.

I’d have thought a topic, even this early, was Rudy’s assertion that if any Democrat wins in ‘08 the country will revert to a defensive posture against radical Islamists, with more Americans dying as a result. Gotta hand it to him - he speaks his mind.

Link:Rudy’s challenge

Oh, and Rosie’s leaving today. Just wish it was to Ecuador…

By silver

April 25, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

People confuse the spelling of Dick ChEney’s last name with the last name of Lon ChAney the actor. Here is an easy way to remember the difference: One is an evil hump backed freak, and the other played hump backed freaks in scary movies. Actor starts with the letter A, so Lon Chaney is spelled with an A. Evil starts with the letter E, so Dick Cheney uses the Evil letter E.

By regulator

April 25, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Walt, you’re ready to fry guys who made a mistake during a combat operation, combat is not organized play,try it on and then make judgements. I am sure these guys were doing the best they could, even Rangers make mistakes.

By KZ_Guy

April 25, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Reid should feel honored to be critized by someone with no credibility at all. Dick Cheney has been consistently wrong about everything. Cheney makes people like Alberto and Michael Brown look compentent. When will this nightmare end ? Name one person in Dumbya’s administration that is doing a good job?

By Paul

April 25, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

silver

Thanks for so early illustrating the capabilities of hyperpartisans (making fun of someone’s appearance, like gradeschoolers teasing someone on the playground) as well as implying what they’re not capable of - stating positions, supporting with facts, identifying opinions and conclusions, letting ideology drive opinions and behavior.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

{{{{{{By the by, I think Dennis Kucinich looked very Presidential at his news conference yesterday.}}}}}}

Quite possibly the funniest thing I’ve ever read here. Good one Mrs. G!

Walt,

Thanks for the answer.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

My goodness, my twin showed up.

I am all out of outrage over the lies so my twin will take over.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

“L just keeps drawing Pres B smaller and smaller.” -Paul

It’s in keeping with his level of relevance.

KZ-Guy - Did you hear Reid’s remarks the other day? “I’m not going to get into a name calling match with somebody who has a 9 percent approval rating”

Classic!

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

shhhhh….. Don’t tell anyone the Dow topped 13,000. That must remain a secret so the AJC can wail about a crash the next time there is a correction.

By Paul

April 25, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

KZ_Guy

“Name one person in Dumbya’s administration that is doing a good job?”

You’re kidding, right? There are about 4 million in the bureaucracy (many here use the term “administration” and “bureaucracy” interchangeably in their arguments, so I’ll roll with that here). You don’t have any relatives, friends, neighbors who work for the federal government and if you do they’re incompetent? Ouch!

By silver

April 25, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

Yeah, W keeps getting smaller and smaller, and the HUMP in Dicks back just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Symbolic of the Stupidity of W, and the Evil of Dick.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

“Cool pic, Walt. No such thing as “safe” training for combat, is there? Hopefully someone just berated a few people and pressed on with the training - trend then was to dial it back and remove risk to the point of making it less than optimum.”

When we saw those machine bullets impacting, maybe 20 or so, I popped my red flare and everything stopped. We all did radio checks and everything just continued, as I recall.

At 29 Palms, the maneuver areas are littered with unexploded ordnance. It was nithing to see inert (blue painted) 20mm cannon shells (fired from aircraft) littering the training areas, and also unexploded bombs. The EOD guys would pile up rocks beside them.

We were out there in 1989 and the bulldozer that was digging the tank firing positions for us spaded up an unexploded 750 lb bomb.

They immediately loaded the dozer and left.

We had to pull back 1000 meters (the blast radius of 750 lb bombs). Then the EOD guys showed up in a pick up truck and dragged the bomb off with a chain along the dirt road.

That was an odd sight.

Walt

By getalife

April 25, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

If you get chance, watch the Daily Show.

Jon just absolutely destroyed McCain on the Iraq debate.

Crushed him with a great performance.

Nice work Jon.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

“By regulator

April 25, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Walt, you’re ready to fry guys who made a mistake during a combat operation, combat is not organized play,try it on and then make judgements. I am sure these guys were doing the best they could, even Rangers make mistakes.”

Gee whiz. There were -no- bad guys around.

A full and forthright investigation should have been done and it should have been clear to the Ranger community that this carelessness was unacceptable.

Walt

By getalife

April 25, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Yesterday, was just another day of the Bushies war on the truth.

I find it absolutely amazing that wingnuts have no problem being lied to.

It is disrespect of the American people and real Americans have had enough of the lies.

Enabling the liars and the destruction of our country makes the wingnuts accomplices.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Meet the Defeatocrats

getalife,

Should an interviewer allow the person to answer a question when the interviewer asks one?

By Paul

April 25, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

regulator

One of the purposes of an investigation is to identify the factors that led to the incident. Then procedures can be changed so the same thing doesn’t happen again. The emphasis here isn’t so much what happened during the operation (losing track of people, miscommunition, not knowing dress of friendly forces, etc) but on the apparently quick attempt to suppress evidence, misrepresentation of truth, etc. It appears two general officers (now retired) may face charges. As long as they’re not being made scapegoats - fine. These guys should know to tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may.

By Dusty

April 25, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

This cartoon is titled “Dishonored Memory”.

In fact, the title is the only honest thing about this cartoon. The death of an American soldier is being used by liberals to DISHONOR AND DISGRACE our country.

Luckovich acts “cute” with the grave stone of an American killed in battle. Then all liberals jump on the band wagon to declare the equivalent of “Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!” to disgrace not just the administration but the actual troops in battle.

What a disgrace to American citizens who are proud of our military and sent them off in the honorable quest of protecting this country in the long run from terrorists.

What a travesty!! Soldier loses life for country so country uses his life for a political farce. Way to go, liberals. You are a disgrace to all the heroes who fought for our freedom.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

RW,

Lame. I watched her on Bill last night and yes she is a dumb cheerleader with no brain.

There is no military victory in Iraq.

The goal is stabilize Baghdad to help the Iraqi government.

It is not working, getting worse and the Iraqi government is close to collapsing.

Please debate these obvious facts and tell me what happens when their government collapses.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

“By Dusty

April 25, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

This cartoon is titled “Dishonored Memory”.

In fact, the title is the only honest thing about this cartoon. The death of an American soldier is being used by liberals to DISHONOR AND DISGRACE our country.”

By taking testimony?

Cockroaches don’t like the light.

Walt

By reebok

April 25, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

Brilliant cartoon, ML. Bush and his happy band of incompetents can’t manage a war, the economy or the environment, but they are the undisputed champions of photo ops and lying. Why wasn’t the truth about Jessica Lynch good enough? Why wasn’t the truth about Pat Tillman good enough? Why haven’t these morons been impeached yet?

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

Hey getalife,

That 10:46 link is another of your home boys. Have all you Nevadans gone nuts?

By getalife

April 25, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

BTW RW,

With a corporate run government feeding cheap labor, of course the Dow is doing well.

The economic numbers the Bushies spew do not add up and are lies.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

“By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

IT’S ABOUT TIME! Kucinich is doing it right. Get rid if Cheney first so when they impeach Dubya, Cheney won’t be sworn in. He is probably the only person who would be worse as president than Bush.

Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, against Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.”

If Cheney were removed, Bush would be like a wind up doll that had run down. He’d be speechless.

Walt

By getalife

April 25, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

Yes, they are going after Rove for politicizing the federal government and cheney for Iraq.

Good times ahead for the real Americans.

Bad times for the wingnut accomplices.

They spew more on haircuts and Alec and it is so pathetic.

By Stan

April 25, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

I can recall that a while back when President Bush was actually stating to the American people that all was not well in Iraq, that situations were less than satisfactory, basically when he was in one of his lessor states of denial, that at the same time, Dick Cheney was giving interviews, holding press conferences that stated 100% the opposite of what the president was saying to the American people. According to Cheney, Iraq was a picture perfect operation and all was going magnificently. I was practically in disbelieve that the president and vice president were simultaneously saying diametrically opposing things. Dick Cheney was seemingly disavowing the Commander in Chief’s message and putting out his own version of events. The world according to Cheney. Dick Cheney is one sick man. The Cheney wing of this administration has done major damage to GW’s presidency. I am absolutely amazed that Bush has not fired the guy. Cheney is a loose cannon living in a world of delusion and his influence is a highly destructive force.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

April 25, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

I agree completely with Dusty that the libs are playing politics with a dead soldier. I wish were playing whatever that other thing was that we were playing when we said that he died at the hands of terrorists. Whatever that game was I am completely sure it had nothing to do with politics. Pat’s brother, a supposed veteran Army Ranger who the lib press says was in Afghanistan with his brother Pat, says that the military and Admin was playing politics when they changed the facts for freedom, but he is just a lying sack of commie sh it unlike those of us wingers with the courage to type on a keyboard and have complete adoration and loyalty to Bush/Cheney and thus America itself.

Heil Bush!! Heil Cheney!!

Repeat after me like a real American would.

Right wing nut job in full glory

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

getalife,

The Daily Show last night was a complete verbal arse whupping. I loved it. There’s absolutely no way that these neoCON wingnuts can rationally defend this farce of a war.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

“Luckovich acts “cute” with the grave stone of an American killed in battle.”

When General Kensinger (sp?) gave the speech at Tillman’s memorial back in 2003, he knew that:

Tillman had been killed by friendlies.

That he had done nothing to warrant a Silver Star.

Don’t you see that as hypocritical?

Walt

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

No, there’s no global warming.

An island made by global warming

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

steve-0,

Since Stewart never let McCain speak we’ll never know if could defend the war or not. Liberal shows like the Daily Show can’t take that chance so they just filibuster the entire segment. What was the point of even having McCain sitting there?

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Giuliani warns of ‘new 9/11’ if Dems win

MANCHESTER, N.H. —- Rudy Giuliani said if a Democrat is elected president in 2008, America will be at risk for another terrorist attack on the scale of Sept. 11, 2001.

But if a Republican is elected, he said, especially if it is him, terrorist attacks can be anticipated and stopped.

I’m waiting for Rudy to say he would nevr ignore a memo entitled “Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US” like Bush did. Not only did Bush ignore the warning, he never read it.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

From yesterday.

Bush -did-not- satisfactorily complete his six year commitment. This site sets it all out:

http://www.glcq.com/

Walt

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Blackadder,

What part of your Island story proves that global warming is caused by man and not a natural cycle? Did you know Iceland is gaining ice mass?. Polar bears too!

In your next lie at 11:04 are you referring to the historical info sheet from August 6, 2001 or the one that really did have details and was ignored in 1998.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Okay, we have paid hacks like Jim Wooten and paid blog baiters but for the rest of the wingnuts, why do you like being lied to?

Do you have any self respect and think about what is best for your country?

What will it take for you to say enough is enough?

By w00t

April 25, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Dusty, you brain dead tool, you do not think that Bush and Co. DISGRACED Pat, by LYING about how he was killed, or the FACT that they used him as PROPAGANDA. You really believe that he stood up like RAMBO and went down fighting, guns blazing into the night? Did you even hear Pat’s brother’s testimony yesterday?

“The U.S. Army fabricated a story of his brother’s heroism in action, knowing he was killed by friendly fire, Tillman said. They constructed not only a story of combat action — accompanied by a silver medal — but lied about his medical care… “These are deliberate and calculated lies” and “a deliberate act of deceit,” Tillman said.

With his voice shaking, Tillman, who also served in the Army, said the official account of his brother’s death in 2004 was “utter fiction…intended to deceive the family and more importantly the American people.”

Are you going to call him a liar, or are you going to support him? Because, you know, he was a US soilder too.

You live in a sick and twisted world if you believe that what Bush and Co. did was respectful of the troops and Pat’s family.

If they’re willing to LIE about the life and death of a solider, what else are they willing to lie about?

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Walt - nice link. Be careful though. If one word is misspelled somewhere in the article the entire article will be considered debunked by the wingnuts.

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

RW,

McCain was rehashing the same old BS talking points that we’ve been fed for the past four years. The interview was fair and Stewart asked the questions that needed to be asked about this war.

When is the last time that Rush has had a “liberal” on his show, besides some jaded caller?

Also, your pals of FOX are the kings of shouting people down—Hannity, O’Reilly, Killmeade, etc.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

getalife 11:08

I figured andy was a paid hack but now that you mention it I’m sure others here are as well.

Explains a lot.

By Paul

April 25, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

BlackAdder 11:04

You’ll wait a long, long, time, because just as VP Gore didn’t bring up Clinton Presidency failures when he ran for President, none of the Republican candidates are likely to put themselves in the position of defending the Bush Administration. They’re running for President - not a place in the current administration.

If anything, they’ll refer to future situations and how they’ll handle them, separating their positions from the President’s. Not a bad strategy for Democrats, either. Democrats attack Bush policies while running against the Republican candidate, it’ll seem like they think they’re still running against Bush/Cheney, not Rudy or whomever.

By IN THE NEWS

April 25, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

Karl Rove’s daily exercise routine

By Paul

April 25, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

In the news

Same old question - why do you care what people spend their money on? Where do we go with this - rich people can buy only the following items:…?

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Paul - you’re dismissing the fact that Rudy is running in close alignment with Bush’s policies. That will be his Achilles’ heal.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

steve-o,

With very rare exceptions Rush doesn’t have guests on his show. As for callers, liberals are always put to the head of the line. I guess if he wanted to be like Jon Stewart he could invite one on and never let then say a word. Please don’t continue spewing lies here, you’ll end up like Blackadder.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Blackadder,

RW has done work for Cox so I think he is a paid blog baiter with multiple personality id’s.

I could not sell out my country and my soul to the criminals. It would make me an accomplice to their crimes.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

“By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Walt - nice link. Be careful though. If one word is misspelled somewhere in the article the entire article will be considered debunked by the wingnuts.”

Yeah.

To re-cap the big deal with the memos that Dan Rather had, the “60 Minutes” producer said they matched the other info that they had developed. The -content- of the memos were well backed up by other info they had.

Why the copies they had had superscripts and other earmarks of word processing remains a mystery, to my knowledge.

But a data dump of TANG payroll info showed conclusively that Bush did not particpate for 18 months.

Walt

By Peter

April 25, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

It has always been my contention that Duh-bya should be held to the same standards as Hans Blix. He’s been given enough time to find WMD and should step aside.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

getalife,

You know better than saying I blog under multiple ID’s.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this<