Mike Luckovich

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 8:02 AM | Link to this

Famous Tom Delay quotes:

“You can support the troops but not the president.”

“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today”

“So many minority youths had volunteered…that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like myself.” Explaining his failure to enlist during Vietnam.

“I AM the federal government. When asked to put out a cigar in a restaurant and being told it was against government regulations to smoke in the restaurant.

By LuckoDull

April 25, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

Quote of the month:

{{{Do you want to help end the terror in Iraq? Condemn the terrorists as the Cho Seung Hui-like psychopaths they are. Deny them the false celebrity they gain when dubbed “insurgents.”-Austin Bay, Townhall}}}

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The Urinal, on the wrong side of every issue:

{{{2nd cop to plead in woman’s death- Two Atlanta officers are expected to plead guilty later this week to federal civil rights charges as well as voluntary manslaughter.-Urinal}}}

So when does the crack dealer the cops were looking for pay his due?

The cops are the easy target, the fall guys, another step in weakening the protection and safety we all count on.

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{{{Tillman kin point finger at military, Friendly fire death was concealed due to politics-Urinal}}}

The crazed world of the candy as-s liberal, where feelings rule over all, the army was trying to spare the soldiers that ACCIDENTALLY shot Tillman to death the pain of a public spectacle, of living with the notoriety of having killed a football star.

You know, to protect their “feelings.”

But “feelings” don’t make a sh-it to a c** knock liberal in this case, not when the government can be had.

FY, you pieces of excrement.

(P.S. I hadn’t seen the cartoon yet^^, now that I have, FY too.)

That being said, I do not join the criticism against the Pentagon for trying not to reveal to the Tillman family that Pat was killed by friendly fire. Why is it important to know that? In what way does it alter the nature or quality of his death?

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By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

Someone mentioned yesterday that Cheney opened a can of whoop@$$ on Reid. Looks like it was a can of creamed corn instead.

CHENEY: “Yesterday, Senator Reid said the troop surge was against the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group. That is plainly false. The Iraq Study Group report was explicitly favorable toward a troop surge to secure Baghdad.”

FACT: Iraq Study Group says escalation will “not solve the fundamental cause of violence in Iraq.”

CHENEY: “What’s most troubling about Senator Reid’s comments yesterday is his defeatism. Indeed, last week he said the war is already lost. And the timetable legislation that he is now pursuing would guarantee defeat.”

FACT: Americans think Cheney is wrong. From a 4/19 Fox News poll: “[D]o you think it is accurate to compare withdrawal with surrender?” Yes: 33 percent | No: 61 percent

CHENEY: “Senator Reid said he doesn’t have real substantive meetings with the president. Yet immediately following last week’s meeting at the White House, he said, ‘It was a good exchange. Everyone voiced their considered opinion about the war in Iraq.’”

FACT: These two statements don’t contradict. In both, Reid simply says that Bush gave his opinion on Iraq. One is more diplomatic than the other, but they don’t contradict.

CHENEY: “Senator Reid said there should be a regional conference on Iraq. Apparently he doesn’t know that there is going to be one next week.”

FACT: Regional conferences mean little without diplomacy. Reid criticized Bush yesterday for failing to “launch any meaningful diplomatic efforts.” The fact that there is a regional conference means little if the U.S. chooses not to engage Iraq’s neighbors. An account from last month’s regional conference: “So they went, shook hands and chatted briefly. And that was the sum of the direct interaction between American and Iranian delegates at a long-awaited, day-long regional summit on Iraq today in Baghdad. … U.S. and Iranian officials said there were no private conversations of any substance.”

By LuckoDull

April 25, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

Harry’s War- Democrats are taking ownership of a defeat in Iraq.- We’re going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war. Senator Schumer has shown me numbers that are compelling and astounding.—Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, April 12. That’s more than can be said for Mr. Reid and the Democratic left, who are making the job for our troops more difficult by undermining U.S. morale and Iraqi confidence in American support.

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“Global warming” my as-s.

{{{Evergreen, Colo., in the foothills west of Denver, reported 16 inches of snow, and other foothills towns had up to 14 inches. “There’s cars sliding off the roads everywhere,” said Rick Olde, owner of Olde’s Convenience Store in Evergreen.- April 24th.}}}

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{{{Estimates of defensive gun use range from 1.3 million to 2.5 million times per year — and usually the weapons are merely brandished, not fired. That means defensive uses occur about 3-to-5 times as often as violent gun crimes. Just as important, armed victims who resist gun criminals get injured less frequently than unarmed victims who submit. In more than 8 out of 10 cases where the victim pulls a gun, the criminal turns and flees, even if he’s armed. “So much for the quasi-religious faith that more guns mean more murder.”}}}

{{{Finally, two federal government agencies recently examined gun control laws and found no statistically significant evidence to support their effectiveness. In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, and 43 government publications evaluating 80 gun-control measures. The researchers could not identify a single gun-control regulation that reduced violent crime, suicide, or accidents.}}}

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By LuckoDull

April 25, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this

How dare the media call it “Bush’s war on terror.” It’s our war — and it was started by the radical Islamists — not by us. Where will it all stop? http://insider.washingtontimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20070424-102748-9681r

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Why we need to kill these bastards and not try them:

{{{A British court on Wednesday ordered the release of a Moroccan man allegedly linked to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States. Farid Hilali has been held in British prisons for 2 1/2 years while fighting against a Spanish extradition warrant. Justice Janet Smith and Justice Stephen Irwin ruled that Hilali’s detention under a European arrest warrant had become arbitrary and unjustified.}}}

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By LuckoDull

April 25, 2007 8:08 AM | Link to this

{{{By Blackadder April 25, 2007 8:02 AM Famous Tom Delay quotes:}}}

I could have swore Tom Delay resigned.

Are the pinko®s shadow boxing this morning?

Cowards.

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By candide

April 25, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this

Here lies the Fascist Party of America.

By g k chesterton

April 25, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this

Andi, Fallacies to not cease to be fallacies because they become fashion.

By Larry Woolard

April 25, 2007 8:24 AM | Link to this

Please run a cartoon showing the five Catholic Supreme Court Justices with the Pope standing over their backs say:” Good Job My Loyal and Faithful Servants!”

By Scooter

April 25, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

Another toon from the standard mold that portrays liberal perceptions, whatever…

I would like people to think of what is more likely to have happened; the commanding officer, directing the mission on the ground, working to keep the friendly fire incident “secret” (to affect his future reviews), or Cheney and Bush sending down concealment orders from D.C? SIDE NOTE: I realize this toon doesn’t portray the concealment orders coming down from D.C.

I still haven’t seen any of the Bush lied crowd present evidence that Saddam disarmed prior to our liberation efforts. Keep in mind the evidence has to outweigh the Clinton appointed Director of the CIA saying WMD’s in Iraq was a “slam dunk”. They won’t be able to provide such evidence and will keep saying Bush lied while telling others they are cult members and sheep.

Perhaps slam dunks aren’t a sure thing for small people?

By @@

April 25, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

Gee ml, the amount of time it took to investigate Pat Tillman’s death pretty much falls in line with the amount of time it took/takes to investigate the many other cases of friendly fire.

The administration has been accused of using Tillman’s death as an opportunity to further the war cause.

Before this in-depth investigation that Waxman has promised, and absent the findings, many have jumped on the opportunistic bandwagon. The anti-war crowd, left-wing blogs (Truthdig) paid Kevin to post his story there.

Then there are the Democrats seeking to destroy Bush and his administration. Why didn’t they launch this investigation before now? Why did they wait for the Tillman family to request it?

Opportunists abound. I know one when I see one and today you ain’t lookin’ too good ml. Pushing the envelope of decency yet again.

My suggestion…..you all need to “stuff it” until the investigation has been completed.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

Scooter - concerning your 8:25:

I don’t think anyone believes that the orders to cover up Tillman’s death came from the very top. They were, however, complicit in the cover up. When the truth was known they continued to deny it was friendly fire.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

Laura Bush wants you to know the President is suffering over Iraq. In fact, Laura told Anne Curry on the Today Show, that the American people need to know that “no one suffers more than their President and I do.” No one? She’s as delusional as her husband. Of course, her husband is the person who caused the suffering — and is the one person who can end it.

I would wager that there are 3,333 families in America that are suffering more than George Bush. And, there are tens of thousands of injured soldiers who are literally suffering.

And George gets a Purple Heart.

What a buffoon.

By Kinja

April 25, 2007 8:45 AM | Link to this

Scooter:

It was certainly a gray area before the invasion: Hans Blix found nothing but stated that Iraq did not fully accept the UN resolution to disarm. However, the nuclear program was debunked prior to the war, and Powell’s evidence at the UN council was circumstantial at best. If you are going to commit the lives of our sons and daughters, and the lives of innocent Iraqi people (yes there are quite a few) - you better be DAMN sure your reason is solid.

By Scooter

April 25, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this

Blackadder, …

By Republican Family Values

April 25, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON (AFP) - A pair of high-profile US army figures accused the military of spreading outright lies and manipulating their stories for a hero-starved public, during testimony before Congress Tuesday.

One was Kevin Tillman, the brother of a US football star killed by “friendly fire” in Afghanistan three years ago, who said the military lied about the circumstances of his death to avoid a public relations fiasco and to draw attention from the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.

The other was Jessica Lynch, a female soldier who decried her inaccurate portrayal as a “little girl Rambo,” firing her weapon down to the last bullet before being captured by Iraqis in early 2003, and then daringly saved by US forces nine days later.

“It was not true … I’m still confused as to why they choose to lie and try to make me a legend,” she told the House Government Reform Committee hearing on “Misleading Information from the Battlefield.”

AND

WASHINGTON - An Army Ranger who was with Pat Tillman when he died by friendly fire said Tuesday he was told by a higher-up to conceal that information from Tillman’s family.

“I was ordered not to tell them,” U.S. Army Specialist Bryan O’Neal told the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

AND

BAGHDAD - The Iraqi government withheld recent casualty figures from the United Nations, fearing they would be used to present a grim picture of Iraq that would undermine the coalition’s security efforts, U.N. officials said Wednesday.

Looks like King George and his cronies haven’t had any more success teaching their Iraqi puppet government how to LIE than they have had in teaching our American sons and daughters in uniform how to LIE ! ! !

When will Republicans realiize that it takes an extraordinary lack of character, and decades of determined practice and committment to LIE with the aplomb of a Republican? It just ain’t a job that they can farm out to foreigners or people of true character like our soldiers. Republicans can’t even LIE competently ! ! !

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 9:00 AM | Link to this

First he sells our ports to Arabs and now this:

The Bush administration is helping multinationals buy U.S. municipal water systems, putting our most important resource in the hands of corporations with no public accountability.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

Despite the FACT that Blackadder simply plagiarized his 8:03 without attribution it’s complete BS. “FACT” #1 is a lie by way of word manipulation. The Iraq study group said moving troops in to secure Baghdad would be helpful. Blackadder err….the site he steals his words from played off of the word “escalation.

“FACT” # 2 is complete obfuscation. It uses an opinion poll about the war’s popularity to claim surrender isn’t defeat.

“FACT” # 3 is an opinion of Blackadder…err the site he stole his words from. Opinions are in FACT not FACTS.

“FACT” # 4 Assumes FACTS not in evidence. Using Blackadder’s words err…the web site he stole his words from makes the claim that there is no diplomacy involved in the planned discussions. That is absurd on it’s very face and uses as FACT the OPINION of Blackadder err…the site he copied from to claim there isn’t diplomacy because they don’t agree with the administration.

Can of whup@ss it is.

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

Blackadder,

Some of us actually take the time to go beyond your inflammatory headlines.

Here is what that report cited in your 9:00 post says:

As reported in “Thirst,” in 1997 the Clinton administration changed the law to the benefit of private companies. Previously municipal utility contracts were limited to five years, but Clinton changed it to allow contracts to be extended up to 20 years. “The rule change unleashed a wave of industry euphoria with predictions that private companies would soon be running much of what is now a public service,” they wrote. In the following five years, municipal water contracts with private companies tripled. “Privatization comes from both Democrats and Republicans. Particularly the Clinton wing of the Democratic Party. Clinton advanced this in a number of areas — Bush has taken it to the extreme,” said Snitow. And across the country, Democrats are guilty as well as Republicans. “In Lee [Mass.], one of the key people supporting the Veolia privatization is a liberal Democrat. He has a great record with unions, on gay rights. He is a social liberal, but he wants to privatize key public services,” said Snitow.

Do try not to make too much of a fool of yourself so early in the day.

By Scooter

April 25, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

Kinja, absolutely. Saddam made it perfectly clear that he would not cooperate with the UN and Duelffer reported Saddam intended to use his corruption of the Security Council to erode sanctions so he could reconstitute his programs. To just sit back and wait for the UN to fail at disarming yet another tyrant and then send the troops in after Saddam reconstituted his programs, doesn’t sound prudent to me. The UN failed, Saddam was forever uncooperative and the UN did not change Saddam’s intentions, nor his goals. If you think differently, please share your reasoning.

My thinking is as follows; if someone with Saddam’s history continues making “a mockery of the inspection process” (to use a phrase from Pelosi’s duplicitous, politically opportunistic statements), well; at some point the BS will stop and he should answer for his deceit. I think twelve years was long enough, you obviously don’t?

The Middle-East consist of many closed societies and secretively coercive governments and I don’t think we would’ve ever been DAMN sure of much, but you do?

Allah Achbar!, click - bang!

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

{{{{{First he sells our ports to Arabs…}}}}}???????????

Dubai Ports World had an agreement to buy a BRITISH company that operated some US ports.

QUESTION: How can you tell a lie is about to appear on this page?

ANSWER: When the first thing you see is “”“By Blackadder”“”

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

RW,

Blackadder (and the Democrat leadiership) also conveniently ignores this essential conclusion from the Iraq Study Group:

Because of the importance of Iraq, the potential for catastrophe, and the role and commitments of the United States in initiating events that have led to the current situation, we believe it would be wrong for the United States to abandon the country through a precipitate withdrawal of troops and support. A premature American departure from Iraq would almost certainly produce greater sectarian violence and further deterioration of conditions, leading to a number of the adverse consequences outlined above. The near-term results would be a significant power vacuum, greater human suffering, regional destabilization, and a threat to the global economy. Al Qaeda would depict our withdrawal as a historic victory. If we leave and Iraq descends into chaos, the long-range consequences could eventually require the United States to return.

Meanwhile, Pelosi and Reid are skipping out on briefings from General Petreus. They must be too busy selecting draperies for the Senate offices they gloat that their policy of surrender will procure them.

By Scooter

April 25, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

Well, I was actually curious how Blackadder wold defend Reid’s statements from these portions of the Iraq Study Group.

Security efforts will fail unless the Iraqis have both the capability to hold areas that have been cleared and the will to clear neighborhoods that are home to Shiite militias. U.S. forces can “clear” any neighborhood, but there are neither enough U.S. troops present nor enough support from Iraqi security forces to “hold” neighborhoods so cleared. – from middle of page 15

[Because of the importance of Iraq, the potential for catastrophe, and the role and commitments of the United States in initiating events that have led to the current situation, we believe it would be wrong for the United States to abandon the country through a precipitate withdrawal of troops and support.] – From top of page 30.

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

Scooter,

Beat ya!

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Did anybody see the verbal arse whupping that Jon Stewart laid on John McCain last night about the war? It was awesome to watch indeed!

Also, kudos to the State of Alabama for apologizing for their role in slavery and Jim Crow. It’s amazing how a simple gesture, like passing a resolution, can reflect so much class. I hearby renounce every bad thing that I have ever said about Alabama…well almost everything.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

“By @@

April 25, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this

Gee ml, the amount of time it took to investigate Pat Tillman’s death pretty much falls in line with the amount of time it took/takes to investigate the many other cases of friendly fire.”

There was never any question that Tillman was killed by friendly fire.

Fratricide incidents often involve air strikes or artillery, where then you need some investigation of who was where doing what, and who used or didn’t use the checklists designed to avoid such incidents, and lots of other factors.

That didn’t apply here.

Why would you say something so stupid?

Your humble narrator once had some “friendly” 7.62mm bullets striking about 50 feet from us. They were fired from our supporting tanks out at 29 Palms in 1983.

Here’s a pic I took that day:

http://members.aol.com/walterm140/valleyofdeath.jpg

Walt

By Come on in the Water's Fine

April 25, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

KUWAIT CITY - Security should not be an obstacle to investing in Iraq because many parts of the country are not engulfed in violence, a senior U.S. official said Monday.

David Satterfield, an adviser to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Iraq, urged Iraq’s neighbors to invest in the country and called on oil-rich Gulf states to fulfill their pledge to forgive billions of dollars in debt owed by the former regime of Saddam Hussein.

and here is Kuwait’s answer…..

KUWAIT CITY - Kuwait is balking at forgiving Iraq’s $15 billion debt, aides to the Iraqi prime minister said as he made a key visit to the tiny oil-rich state.

Yeh, I just can’t wait to invest MY life savings in the Iraq rathole which will in all probability devolve into civil war as soon as occupying forces withdraw, and then nationalize all foreign investments.

Suuuuuuuure Iraq is a good investment, come on in the water’s fine. Don’t you wonder how much of Satterfield’s life savings is invested in Iraq?

By JP

April 25, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

“the army was trying to spare the soldiers that ACCIDENTALLY shot Tillman to death the pain of a public spectacle, of living with the notoriety of having killed a football star.”

What an embarrassing and disgusting attempt to rationalize the disbursement of lies by the military leadership.

By jpetz

April 25, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

There is nothing admirable about covering up the reason Pat Tillman died. Nor is the distortion of facts in the Jessica Lynch rescue. Any Bush supporter who blames liberals over the Tillman cover-up revelation needs to do some serious soul-searching. If it was my brother who died under similar circumstances I’d want the facts, not lies.

To those that suggest the lies were to protect the Tillman family, I ask “protect them from what?”. Its never right to lie, unless you drink the kool-aid for this administration.

I’m convinced Bush thought he would have a GOP majority to buffer him for his 8 years in office. He got 6 but the jig is up. There are going to be many investigations of this administration because its quite likely laws were broken while the prior GOP Congress looked the other way. The purging of those 8 attorneys, the politicking by the Rove crowd to captive government employees, a violation of the 1939 Hatch Act is enough evidence to convince independent observers how corrupt this administration is. Bush “the uniter” - don’t make me laugh.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Walt & JP,

Since one of you uses the term fratricide and the other puts their emphasis on the word accidentally, are the two of you claiming that Tillman was killed intentionally?

By Paul

April 25, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

This is another good political cartoon. It strikes a nerve, gets people riled up - and people will take it many different ways. At first I saw it as more of the “Bush Administration” lies line - using Pat Tillman’s death. Not accurate, I thought. Then I looked at it with the military included - true, I thought - but the military guy should have been at the lectern. Then I noticed “no Pres Bush.” Hmmm. Then I thought about it in terms of overall Iraq, with the gravestone symbolizing the tragedies that occur in war. So, that’s why I say it is a good cartoon.

Cool pic, Walt. No such thing as “safe” training for combat, is there? Hopefully someone just berated a few people and pressed on with the training - trend then was to dial it back and remove risk to the point of making it less than optimum.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

{{{{{{Then I noticed “no Pres Bush.” Hmmm}}}}}

Paul,

Huh?

By JP

April 25, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this

RW, you’ll need to ask LuckoDull at 8:03AM, as that is who I was quoting in the sentence with the word “accidentally.”

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

JP,

It’s obvious that he was using the emphasis to show it was an accident. I missed the tiny quotation marks in your post, my apologies.

That’s why I use {{{{quote}}}} to show I’m quoting someone else. The kindergarten teacher that runs this blog took away our italics for no apparent reason.

By chris

April 25, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

LuckoDull you are such an idiot!!!!!

By Getalife2

April 25, 2007 9:44 AM | Link to this

By Buy Danish April 24, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this Getalife, It’s about time you regaled us with tales of your military service

By Buy Danish April 24, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this Getalife, It’s about time you regaled us with tales of your military service

And maybe it is time for you Buy Danish, to regale us with your street corner exploits and maybe some johns gone bad thrillers. You could call it the ‘Toothless Treat Chronicles’. You might even want to throw in some testomonial stuff from your satisfied customers.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

“the army was trying to spare the soldiers that ACCIDENTALLY shot Tillman to death the pain of a public spectacle, of living with the notoriety of having killed a football star.”

What the Army could have done is fry these guys and make clear that this was not the way Rangers act.

The Ranger motto is “Rangers Lead the Way!”

You’d think that would have been important to -someone- in the Ranger organization.

Walt

By regulator

April 25, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

The corruption and dishonesty of this adminstration never ceases to amaze me. History will not even have a category for it.

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

Getalife2,

Thank you for quoting me not once, but twice!

Getalife must be pleased that someone has finally deemed him important enough to nickjack his name.

By Steven Daedalus

April 25, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

By using the term fratracide, I don’t think anybody was saying he was killed intentionally, but that he was killed by fellow soldiers.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

IT’S ABOUT TIME! Kucinich is doing it right. Get rid if Cheney first so when they impeach Dubya, Cheney won’t be sworn in. He is probably the only person who would be worse as president than Bush.

Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, against Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.

By walt

April 25, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

“By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Walt & JP,

Since one of you uses the term fratricide and the other puts their emphasis on the word accidentally, are the two of you claiming that Tillman was killed intentionally?”

Kevin Tillman testified yesterday that Pat did not agree with the invasion of Iraq, noting many of the reasons that Jim Webb and many others clearly foresaw. Pat and Kevin were on that initial invasion.

So, according to some conspiracy buffs, TilLman was indeed killed by the Army.

But that is cracked.

“Fratricide” is just a fancy term for friendly fire. It is always accidental.

Walt

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

Steven Daedalus,

Why not let Walt tell us what he meant?

By the way, the original spelled Steven with a “ph”

By Mrs. Godzilla

April 25, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

Cartoon is wrong.

These guys don’t attend funerals.

By the by, I think Dennis Kucinich looked very Presidential at his news conference yesterday.

By Paul

April 25, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Thanks - eye check time. L just keeps drawing Pres B smaller and smaller. Time to revise my earlier post - there may be just a wee bit of partisan bias there and a desire to demean the Administration, regardless of facts(sarc).

This deceptions in case - and the Jessica Lynch case - began with military authorities. What’s amazing is the internal investigations exposing the truth were also conducted by military authorities.

I’d have thought a topic, even this early, was Rudy’s assertion that if any Democrat wins in ‘08 the country will revert to a defensive posture against radical Islamists, with more Americans dying as a result. Gotta hand it to him - he speaks his mind.

Link:Rudy’s challenge

Oh, and Rosie’s leaving today. Just wish it was to Ecuador…

By silver

April 25, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

People confuse the spelling of Dick ChEney’s last name with the last name of Lon ChAney the actor. Here is an easy way to remember the difference: One is an evil hump backed freak, and the other played hump backed freaks in scary movies. Actor starts with the letter A, so Lon Chaney is spelled with an A. Evil starts with the letter E, so Dick Cheney uses the Evil letter E.

By regulator

April 25, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Walt, you’re ready to fry guys who made a mistake during a combat operation, combat is not organized play,try it on and then make judgements. I am sure these guys were doing the best they could, even Rangers make mistakes.

By KZ_Guy

April 25, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Reid should feel honored to be critized by someone with no credibility at all. Dick Cheney has been consistently wrong about everything. Cheney makes people like Alberto and Michael Brown look compentent. When will this nightmare end ? Name one person in Dumbya’s administration that is doing a good job?

By Paul

April 25, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

silver

Thanks for so early illustrating the capabilities of hyperpartisans (making fun of someone’s appearance, like gradeschoolers teasing someone on the playground) as well as implying what they’re not capable of - stating positions, supporting with facts, identifying opinions and conclusions, letting ideology drive opinions and behavior.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

{{{{{{By the by, I think Dennis Kucinich looked very Presidential at his news conference yesterday.}}}}}}

Quite possibly the funniest thing I’ve ever read here. Good one Mrs. G!

Walt,

Thanks for the answer.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

My goodness, my twin showed up.

I am all out of outrage over the lies so my twin will take over.

By IN THE NEWS

April 25, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this

RAHM IS GONNA RAM THIS ONE HOME

The saddest legacy of the Bush Administration’s six-year trail of cronyism and corruption is that it contributes to the public’s already cynical view of government. This makes it even more difficult for those of us who believe that the purpose of government is to secure a better future for our country and all of its people. Repairing this sorry legacy is the first challenge our next President will face.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

“L just keeps drawing Pres B smaller and smaller.” -Paul

It’s in keeping with his level of relevance.

KZ-Guy - Did you hear Reid’s remarks the other day? “I’m not going to get into a name calling match with somebody who has a 9 percent approval rating”

Classic!

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

shhhhh….. Don’t tell anyone the Dow topped 13,000. That must remain a secret so the AJC can wail about a crash the next time there is a correction.

By Paul

April 25, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

KZ_Guy

“Name one person in Dumbya’s administration that is doing a good job?”

You’re kidding, right? There are about 4 million in the bureaucracy (many here use the term “administration” and “bureaucracy” interchangeably in their arguments, so I’ll roll with that here). You don’t have any relatives, friends, neighbors who work for the federal government and if you do they’re incompetent? Ouch!

By silver

April 25, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

Yeah, W keeps getting smaller and smaller, and the HUMP in Dicks back just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Symbolic of the Stupidity of W, and the Evil of Dick.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

“Cool pic, Walt. No such thing as “safe” training for combat, is there? Hopefully someone just berated a few people and pressed on with the training - trend then was to dial it back and remove risk to the point of making it less than optimum.”

When we saw those machine bullets impacting, maybe 20 or so, I popped my red flare and everything stopped. We all did radio checks and everything just continued, as I recall.

At 29 Palms, the maneuver areas are littered with unexploded ordnance. It was nithing to see inert (blue painted) 20mm cannon shells (fired from aircraft) littering the training areas, and also unexploded bombs. The EOD guys would pile up rocks beside them.

We were out there in 1989 and the bulldozer that was digging the tank firing positions for us spaded up an unexploded 750 lb bomb.

They immediately loaded the dozer and left.

We had to pull back 1000 meters (the blast radius of 750 lb bombs). Then the EOD guys showed up in a pick up truck and dragged the bomb off with a chain along the dirt road.

That was an odd sight.

Walt

By getalife

April 25, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

If you get chance, watch the Daily Show.

Jon just absolutely destroyed McCain on the Iraq debate.

Crushed him with a great performance.

Nice work Jon.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

“By regulator

April 25, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Walt, you’re ready to fry guys who made a mistake during a combat operation, combat is not organized play,try it on and then make judgements. I am sure these guys were doing the best they could, even Rangers make mistakes.”

Gee whiz. There were -no- bad guys around.

A full and forthright investigation should have been done and it should have been clear to the Ranger community that this carelessness was unacceptable.

Walt

By getalife

April 25, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Yesterday, was just another day of the Bushies war on the truth.

I find it absolutely amazing that wingnuts have no problem being lied to.

It is disrespect of the American people and real Americans have had enough of the lies.

Enabling the liars and the destruction of our country makes the wingnuts accomplices.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Meet the Defeatocrats

getalife,

Should an interviewer allow the person to answer a question when the interviewer asks one?

By Paul

April 25, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

regulator

One of the purposes of an investigation is to identify the factors that led to the incident. Then procedures can be changed so the same thing doesn’t happen again. The emphasis here isn’t so much what happened during the operation (losing track of people, miscommunition, not knowing dress of friendly forces, etc) but on the apparently quick attempt to suppress evidence, misrepresentation of truth, etc. It appears two general officers (now retired) may face charges. As long as they’re not being made scapegoats - fine. These guys should know to tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may.

By Dusty

April 25, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

This cartoon is titled “Dishonored Memory”.

In fact, the title is the only honest thing about this cartoon. The death of an American soldier is being used by liberals to DISHONOR AND DISGRACE our country.

Luckovich acts “cute” with the grave stone of an American killed in battle. Then all liberals jump on the band wagon to declare the equivalent of “Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!” to disgrace not just the administration but the actual troops in battle.

What a disgrace to American citizens who are proud of our military and sent them off in the honorable quest of protecting this country in the long run from terrorists.

What a travesty!! Soldier loses life for country so country uses his life for a political farce. Way to go, liberals. You are a disgrace to all the heroes who fought for our freedom.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

RW,

Lame. I watched her on Bill last night and yes she is a dumb cheerleader with no brain.

There is no military victory in Iraq.

The goal is stabilize Baghdad to help the Iraqi government.

It is not working, getting worse and the Iraqi government is close to collapsing.

Please debate these obvious facts and tell me what happens when their government collapses.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

We finally found an enemy that a moonbat will take up arms against

By Walt

April 25, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

“By Dusty

April 25, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

This cartoon is titled “Dishonored Memory”.

In fact, the title is the only honest thing about this cartoon. The death of an American soldier is being used by liberals to DISHONOR AND DISGRACE our country.”

By taking testimony?

Cockroaches don’t like the light.

Walt

By reebok

April 25, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

Brilliant cartoon, ML. Bush and his happy band of incompetents can’t manage a war, the economy or the environment, but they are the undisputed champions of photo ops and lying. Why wasn’t the truth about Jessica Lynch good enough? Why wasn’t the truth about Pat Tillman good enough? Why haven’t these morons been impeached yet?

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

Hey getalife,

That 10:46 link is another of your home boys. Have all you Nevadans gone nuts?

By getalife

April 25, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

BTW RW,

With a corporate run government feeding cheap labor, of course the Dow is doing well.

The economic numbers the Bushies spew do not add up and are lies.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

“By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

IT’S ABOUT TIME! Kucinich is doing it right. Get rid if Cheney first so when they impeach Dubya, Cheney won’t be sworn in. He is probably the only person who would be worse as president than Bush.

Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, against Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.”

If Cheney were removed, Bush would be like a wind up doll that had run down. He’d be speechless.

Walt

By getalife

April 25, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

Yes, they are going after Rove for politicizing the federal government and cheney for Iraq.

Good times ahead for the real Americans.

Bad times for the wingnut accomplices.

They spew more on haircuts and Alec and it is so pathetic.

By Stan

April 25, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

I can recall that a while back when President Bush was actually stating to the American people that all was not well in Iraq, that situations were less than satisfactory, basically when he was in one of his lessor states of denial, that at the same time, Dick Cheney was giving interviews, holding press conferences that stated 100% the opposite of what the president was saying to the American people. According to Cheney, Iraq was a picture perfect operation and all was going magnificently. I was practically in disbelieve that the president and vice president were simultaneously saying diametrically opposing things. Dick Cheney was seemingly disavowing the Commander in Chief’s message and putting out his own version of events. The world according to Cheney. Dick Cheney is one sick man. The Cheney wing of this administration has done major damage to GW’s presidency. I am absolutely amazed that Bush has not fired the guy. Cheney is a loose cannon living in a world of delusion and his influence is a highly destructive force.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

April 25, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

I agree completely with Dusty that the libs are playing politics with a dead soldier. I wish were playing whatever that other thing was that we were playing when we said that he died at the hands of terrorists. Whatever that game was I am completely sure it had nothing to do with politics. Pat’s brother, a supposed veteran Army Ranger who the lib press says was in Afghanistan with his brother Pat, says that the military and Admin was playing politics when they changed the facts for freedom, but he is just a lying sack of commie sh it unlike those of us wingers with the courage to type on a keyboard and have complete adoration and loyalty to Bush/Cheney and thus America itself.

Heil Bush!! Heil Cheney!!

Repeat after me like a real American would.

Right wing nut job in full glory

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

If she can make the time to meet with the dictator of a terrorist state she ought to be able to make time for General Petraeus in a classified briefing

Maybe she already has a date with Hugo Chavez.

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

getalife,

The Daily Show last night was a complete verbal arse whupping. I loved it. There’s absolutely no way that these neoCON wingnuts can rationally defend this farce of a war.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

“Luckovich acts “cute” with the grave stone of an American killed in battle.”

When General Kensinger (sp?) gave the speech at Tillman’s memorial back in 2003, he knew that:

Tillman had been killed by friendlies.

That he had done nothing to warrant a Silver Star.

Don’t you see that as hypocritical?

Walt

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

No, there’s no global warming.

An island made by global warming

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

steve-0,

Since Stewart never let McCain speak we’ll never know if could defend the war or not. Liberal shows like the Daily Show can’t take that chance so they just filibuster the entire segment. What was the point of even having McCain sitting there?

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Giuliani warns of ‘new 9/11’ if Dems win

MANCHESTER, N.H. —- Rudy Giuliani said if a Democrat is elected president in 2008, America will be at risk for another terrorist attack on the scale of Sept. 11, 2001.

But if a Republican is elected, he said, especially if it is him, terrorist attacks can be anticipated and stopped.

I’m waiting for Rudy to say he would nevr ignore a memo entitled “Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US” like Bush did. Not only did Bush ignore the warning, he never read it.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

From yesterday.

Bush -did-not- satisfactorily complete his six year commitment. This site sets it all out:

http://www.glcq.com/

Walt

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Blackadder,

What part of your Island story proves that global warming is caused by man and not a natural cycle? Did you know Iceland is gaining ice mass?. Polar bears too!

In your next lie at 11:04 are you referring to the historical info sheet from August 6, 2001 or the one that really did have details and was ignored in 1998.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Okay, we have paid hacks like Jim Wooten and paid blog baiters but for the rest of the wingnuts, why do you like being lied to?

Do you have any self respect and think about what is best for your country?

What will it take for you to say enough is enough?

By w00t

April 25, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Dusty, you brain dead tool, you do not think that Bush and Co. DISGRACED Pat, by LYING about how he was killed, or the FACT that they used him as PROPAGANDA. You really believe that he stood up like RAMBO and went down fighting, guns blazing into the night? Did you even hear Pat’s brother’s testimony yesterday?

“The U.S. Army fabricated a story of his brother’s heroism in action, knowing he was killed by friendly fire, Tillman said. They constructed not only a story of combat action — accompanied by a silver medal — but lied about his medical care… “These are deliberate and calculated lies” and “a deliberate act of deceit,” Tillman said.

With his voice shaking, Tillman, who also served in the Army, said the official account of his brother’s death in 2004 was “utter fiction…intended to deceive the family and more importantly the American people.”

Are you going to call him a liar, or are you going to support him? Because, you know, he was a US soilder too.

You live in a sick and twisted world if you believe that what Bush and Co. did was respectful of the troops and Pat’s family.

If they’re willing to LIE about the life and death of a solider, what else are they willing to lie about?

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Walt - nice link. Be careful though. If one word is misspelled somewhere in the article the entire article will be considered debunked by the wingnuts.

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

RW,

McCain was rehashing the same old BS talking points that we’ve been fed for the past four years. The interview was fair and Stewart asked the questions that needed to be asked about this war.

When is the last time that Rush has had a “liberal” on his show, besides some jaded caller?

Also, your pals of FOX are the kings of shouting people down—Hannity, O’Reilly, Killmeade, etc.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

getalife 11:08

I figured andy was a paid hack but now that you mention it I’m sure others here are as well.

Explains a lot.

By Paul

April 25, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

BlackAdder 11:04

You’ll wait a long, long, time, because just as VP Gore didn’t bring up Clinton Presidency failures when he ran for President, none of the Republican candidates are likely to put themselves in the position of defending the Bush Administration. They’re running for President - not a place in the current administration.

If anything, they’ll refer to future situations and how they’ll handle them, separating their positions from the President’s. Not a bad strategy for Democrats, either. Democrats attack Bush policies while running against the Republican candidate, it’ll seem like they think they’re still running against Bush/Cheney, not Rudy or whomever.

By IN THE NEWS

April 25, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

First, is the $400 haircut an egregious vanity? Not compared to GWBush’s $10,000 suits

By IN THE NEWS

April 25, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Iraq won’t release civilian death info., but Bush knows sectarian violence is down

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

The head of Scotland Yard’s counterterrorism command said yesterday that al-Qaida had survived the six-year long “war on terror” launched by President George Bush and Tony Blair, and its central leadership had retained the ability to order devastating attacks on Britain.

Well, yeah. You have to actually GO WHERE THE TERRORISTS ARE to fight terrorism. How about Afghanistan?

By IN THE NEWS

April 25, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

Karl Rove’s daily exercise routine

By Paul

April 25, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

In the news

Same old question - why do you care what people spend their money on? Where do we go with this - rich people can buy only the following items:…?

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Paul - you’re dismissing the fact that Rudy is running in close alignment with Bush’s policies. That will be his Achilles’ heal.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

steve-o,

With very rare exceptions Rush doesn’t have guests on his show. As for callers, liberals are always put to the head of the line. I guess if he wanted to be like Jon Stewart he could invite one on and never let then say a word. Please don’t continue spewing lies here, you’ll end up like Blackadder.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Blackadder,

RW has done work for Cox so I think he is a paid blog baiter with multiple personality id’s.

I could not sell out my country and my soul to the criminals. It would make me an accomplice to their crimes.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

“By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Walt - nice link. Be careful though. If one word is misspelled somewhere in the article the entire article will be considered debunked by the wingnuts.”

Yeah.

To re-cap the big deal with the memos that Dan Rather had, the “60 Minutes” producer said they matched the other info that they had developed. The -content- of the memos were well backed up by other info they had.

Why the copies they had had superscripts and other earmarks of word processing remains a mystery, to my knowledge.

But a data dump of TANG payroll info showed conclusively that Bush did not particpate for 18 months.

Walt

By Peter

April 25, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

It has always been my contention that Duh-bya should be held to the same standards as Hans Blix. He’s been given enough time to find WMD and should step aside.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

getalife,

You know better than saying I blog under multiple ID’s.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

getalife - I’m with ya!

By IN THE NEWS

April 25, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

RAMPING IT UP

WASHINGTON - In a burst of activity over the last eight days, FBI agents and federal prosecutors have won a guilty plea from a former congressional aide, implicated two more House of Representatives members and put the scandal surrounding onetime super-lobbyist Jack Abramoff’s influence-peddling back into the headlines.

By Paul

April 25, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

BlackAdder 11:26

With some war (not Iraq) issues - it appears so. With others - environmental issues, size of budgets, willingness to let pork and fat slide, addressing fixes for Medicare/Medicaid without getting hung up on private savings or any other single issue, I’m not so sure. Running as Bush II isn’t a way to win an election. Proclaiming a return to Republican principles while not allowing hot-button issues to be sliced off as Democratic issues (environment) could be in the wind -

By getalife

April 25, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

RW,

Ah yes, “joewilson”.

I still laugh at Charles blocking my ip.

Like I want to read the racist lgf.

It was fun bashing those lizards.

I ruled his racist site.

Bwhahahahaha.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

Well my paid blog posts are up for now.

I’ll check in later to see if you morons have finished making fools of yourself with President Bush’s 35 year old Guard service.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

“You know better than saying I blog under multiple ID’s.” -RW

Except when he posts under my name.

RW blows a gasket in 3, 2, 1…

By getalife

April 25, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

RW,

w prosecuting Iraq occupation deserters is the ultimate in hypocrisy.

By Environmental Realist

April 25, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

For all of you compassionate lefties out there, you really need to look at the full scope of your policies before you tell the rest of us to leap! Please read the following:

Beer drinkers in Germany — and that’s just about everybody — are upset at the prospect of higher beer prices because of less barley — which is being replaced in many fields by crops intended for use in biofuels. The French Press Agency reports the price of barley has doubled in the last year. The head of the German Millers Federation insists biofuels are monopolizing the land and says — “The German government has got to be reasonable and not give more importance to energy security than to food security.”

Similar stories have been reported in other countries — such as Mexico — where riots have accompanied the soaring price of tortilla flour — because corn is being diverted to ethanol production.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

“By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

Well my paid blog posts are up for now.

I’ll check in later to see if you morons have finished making fools of yourself with President Bush’s 35 year old Guard service.”

Made ourselves fools how?

Bush did not take a flight phyiscal after the institution of urinalysis.

He didn’t show up for any activities at all for 18 months.

Those are facts.

Walt

By Daniel

April 25, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

“We’ve all been betrayed”. Kevin Tillman.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

Walt - you missed RW’s point. It happened so long ago that it just doesn’t matter. Except when you’re discussing a Democrat. Every bad thing happens is still Clinton’s fault.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 11:45 AM | Link to this

By Walt-WHAA WHAA WHAA….

That one was a freebie.

Blackadder,

Don’t be using my name again while I’m gone you little punk. By the way, I’m available if you feel like trying to punch somebody for disagreeing with you.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Seems like Environmental Realist has been reading Brit Hume’s inconsequential nosepickings from his little “grapevine”…

By the stopper

April 25, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

*Luckovich acts “cute” with the grave stone of an American killed in battle. *

Why don’t you ask the Tillman family if they’re offended by this cartoon?

Go ahead, ask, and get back to us, ‘k?

By silver

April 25, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

The worse thing about bush-cheney is that they keep changing their story to justify killing arabs and muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan. First their was the clear and present danger of wmd’s like nuclear bombs and VX nerve gas in Iraq, then it was that Iraq was part of 9/11, then it was that saddam was just plain too evil, then it was the freedom and demcracy lie, now it is to fight arabs and muslims there so we don’t have to fight them here. All lies.

By Truthman

April 25, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

ML, the cartoon is superb…sadly superb!

John Stewart’s interview with Sen. McCain was journalism at it’s very best…true patriot Stewart expressed the frustration of more than 70% of Americans who KNOW the Chimperor’s war is lost…and illegal and immoral!!

I can’t wait until Nov. 2008 when the final stake will be driven through the black heart of neo-conservatism for good!!

Bakc under your rocks, Rove, Rummy and Cheney!!!

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

RW,

You’re full of crap. Rush does have some GOP politician on his show from time to time. And you still didn’t even address FOX conservative personalities shouting down guests on their shows.

Did you know that McCain has appeared on the Daily Show more than anyone else? Did you know that Stewart continuously hosts Republican guests like Ken Mehlman, John Bolton, Rick Santorum, Tom Ridge, former Sec of State Shulz, etc?

It seems that YOU need to get your facts straight.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 11:55 AM | Link to this

“By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

Walt - you missed RW’s point. It happened so long ago that it just doesn’t matter. Except when you’re discussing a Democrat. Every bad thing happens is still Clinton’s fault.”

Well, it was a seque off of someone suggesting that Kerry’s service and Bush’s were essentially equivalent, which is simply crap.

Walt

By Paul

April 25, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

steve-o

So you don’t see any implications for counties with limited arable land and government controls over production and sales? No implications for the people who derive their livings from beer production (the entire cycle)? (As important there as, oh, high fructose corn syrup production is in the US?). No implications for the US, such as retaining tariffs on South American products to give a boost to American agribusinesses? No implications about the role of government in energy policy and the impact on markets? No implications for switching energy production to a sector that may not be energy neutral, let alone save energy?

No implications from the posting? Okay, focus on nosepicking, then.

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS,

DID BUSH BUY HIS SUITS WITH HIS OWN MONEY OR DID HE USE CAMPAIGN FUNDS LIKE EDWARDS?

By Daniel

April 25, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Pat Tillman belongs to all of us.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

April 25, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Walt,

Name one attack by the Viet Cong on Texas or Alabama during Bush’s distinguished service. You can’t and you know why? They were scared to death of Bush. There is nothing more dangerous than a coked up, drunken frat boy in a fighter jet. Bush would kicked some gook butt and they knew it. So back off.

Right wing nut job in full glory

By Paul

April 25, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

Silver 11:50

Any comments on the development of radical Islam, its relationship to Islam, the activities of the House of Saud in promoting its version of radical Islam, and whether or not this culture/civilization/entity poses any threat to the West, Africa, Hindu, etc? If so, what’s an appropriate counter? If not, what should our policy be?

By Dusty

April 25, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

Woot, you are a hoot @ 11:13,

I think Pat Tillman should get the silver star for VOLUNTEERING to fight in this country’s war to protect America.(Yes, it is for us.)

In fact, I would give a medal to all of our military for being volunteers in this war. That requires dedication whether you are a football star or any other title at work.

Pat Tillman’s brother is not living up to his brother’s dedication. He has lost it with grief. His actions are not anything that would make his brother proud. But I would say that a family loss makes it somehow understandable.

For politicians to make such actions a political ploy to undermine the country and the troops who are still fighting is beyond any words of approval. It is simply hate politics at its worst.

I hope Democrats are not fooled into thinking Americans can be deceived. It will not happen. Making “hay” of war time deaths is not to the liking of American citizens and they will remember.

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

{{{By steve-o

April 25, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

RW,

You’re full of crap. Rush does have some GOP politician on his show from time to time.}}}

steve-o,

RW said - {{{With very rare exceptions Rush doesn’t have guests on his show.}}}

You seem to be struggling with your reading comprehension. Would you like a dictionary to look up these words - “with”, “very”, “rare” and “exceptions”?

Freaking idiot.

By Paul

April 25, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish 11:58

I asked why he/she cares what people spend their own money on (in all fairness, Edwards repaid the campaign and had, I believe, not charged grooming expenses to his campaign). Still haven’t heard an explanation. Personally, I’m pretty Libertarian on the issue - if they want to buy shoes, ATVs, pickup trucks, big houses, jets, video gear, spa treatments, landscaping, I really don’t care. It’s their money (and a distraction from the campaign).

By Walt

April 25, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

“By Right-wing nut job in full glory

April 25, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Walt,

Name one attack by the Viet Cong on Texas or Alabama during Bush’s distinguished service. You can’t and you know why? They were scared to death of Bush. There is nothing more dangerous than a coked up, drunken frat boy in a fighter jet. Bush would kicked some gook butt and they knew it. So back off.

Right wing nut job in full glory”

I think you can trace Bush’s smirk back to when he was fighting the Viet Cong from a bar stool in Houston.

Bush was a pretty good pilot and any of those advanced fighters can kill you quick as lightning.

But the F-102 had a 1950’s mission - preventing manned bombers from penetrating US air space.

Walt

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I didn’t say anything about not seeing any “implications”. I was commenting on the fact that the article was taken straight out of Brit Hume’s column.

As far as implications of biofuels on agriculture, it’s a long discussion. Ethanol hasn’t proven to be a cost-effective, nor efficient, energy alternative. But that doesn’t mean that you throw in the towel in researching and developing green technology altogether.

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

And Buy Danish,

You obviously have waded your way into the middle of a conversation that you clearly don’t understand.

And you call me an “idiot”? Wow. Talk about “the party of hate”…

By IN THE NEWS

April 25, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

VERRRY INTERESTING

BREAKING: House Judiciary Votes Immunity For Monica Goodling

By Paul

April 25, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

steve-o

I’ll admit, my post was a bit pedantic so I’ll thank you for the civil response. It just seems to me there is an awful lot of dismissing a point by dismissing a source, here (rather than discussing the idea). Both “sides” do it - anything from Fox is a lie, anything from a left-wing website is the same, and so on. If I recall the blips the Hume puts up, many are intended in a funny manner (Germans without beer, ho ho) but the background is really pretty serious.

Something said by a liar doesn’t mean it’s not true. Something said by a liar does not mean it’s not true. That was my point.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

“By Dusty

April 25, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

Woot, you are a hoot @ 11:13,

I think Pat Tillman should get the silver star for VOLUNTEERING to fight in this country’s war to protect America.(Yes, it is for us.)”

Then where the hell is mine?

I was on Desert Storm.

You say some nutty stuff, but what is the point of decorations if everyone gets them?

It’s like highlighting every line in a book.

Walt

By Paul

April 25, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

Steve-o

regards my 12:16, make the last paragraph

Something said by a liar doesn’t mean it’s not true. Something said by a truthful person doesn’t mean it’s untrue.

By Environmental realist

April 25, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

Steve-o - It seems that Paul gets it and you don’t. Biofuels are not carbon neutral and they have the potential to do not only a lot of environmental damage but societal damage as well. I guess you want the poor to starve and middle class independent business people to go bankrupt? I also want us to wean ourselves from ALL carbon fuels. I think the solution to that is nuclear power and other forms of energy. Until then, coal and oil are our best and cheapest and, oddly enough, most environmentally friendly sources of energy if handled properly.

By Daniel

April 25, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

Thanks Walt. That ding-bat needs a tour in Iraq.

Monica Goodling gets immunity! The atty firings scandal has legs. This goes to Rove. Thank God for a democratic Congress. Without a democratic Congress we’d be in Iran by now. Instead, we’re getting to the truth.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

April 25, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

You are so right. Supporting the troops must include insulting a veteran whose brother was killed in war. I can see no other way to really support the troops, other than spitting on them which I understand is the highest form of flattery.

Another thing you ought to note about Pat was that he was an atheist and a leftist who read Noam Chomsky and thought the Iraq war was illegal so it really doesn’t matter that he’s dead anyway. It just too bad his brother got out alive to spread this blame America first stuff.

Right wing nut job in full glory

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Environmental Realist,

Read the second paragraph in my post at 12:09. I totally agree with you that all biofuels aren’t necessarily carbon neutral. I don’t agree with nuclear energy because of the waste it creates and we definitely need to phase out coal and oil as soon as we can, which means finding a reliable alternative source.

Also, don’t forget about other sources, such as wind or solar power. Another thing we need to do is to keep raising CAFE standards on cars. There is no reason why we can’t do that.

Green industry will be the next boom industry and we’re not doing ourselves any favors by not supporting the research and development of green technology or encouraging green entrepreneurs.

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Paul,

As always, you’ve made some interesting points.

By IN THE NEWS

April 25, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

Retired Generals Endorse the Iraq Accountability Act

By IN THE NEWS

April 25, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON, April 24 — Seven years ago, a Missouri doctor discovered a troubling pattern at a microwave popcorn plant in the town of Jasper. After an additive was modified to produce a more buttery taste, nine workers came down with a rare, life-threatening disease that was ravaging their lungs.

By IN THE NEWS

April 25, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

IS THERE A FOX IN THE HENHOUSE???

We have made the determination to broaden the investigation into possible illegal political activity elsewhere in the government,” Mr. Smith said. But the head of the Office of Special Counsel, Scott J. Bloch, is himself under investigation by the inspector general of the Office of Personnel Management over accusations of politicizing his agency.

By IN THE NEWS

April 25, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

Next, and this is the subject I always hate to bring up, but if you have a long magazine-reading bathroom trip planned (and you know what I mean), please go to the public restrooms. We don’t want to subject our staff or constituents to any fowl (sic) smelling odors while they are in the office.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

More toons. The second one is especially good.

By walt

April 25, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

“By Daniel

April 25, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

Thanks Walt. That ding-bat needs a tour in Iraq.”

The Navy/Air Force/Distinguished Service Cross is above the Silver Star in the heirarchy.

There’s a great story from WWII when this Marine unit was stationed on some island after one of the big island battles. This one Marine was up on charges for sometihng or other.

His company commander fined him seven days pay or some such.

“You can’t do that! I have a Navy Cross!”

“So have I,” replied his C.O.

Walt

By Shawny

April 25, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

Tomorrow’s toon absolutely has to be about Rosie….please?

Gawd I hate that beyatch

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Considering that steve-o said:

{{{{{You’re full of crap. Rush does have some GOP politician on his show from time to time. And you still didn’t even address FOX conservative personalities shouting down guests on their shows.}}}}}

{{{{{Did you know that McCain has appeared on the Daily Show more than anyone else? Did you know that Stewart continuously hosts Republican guests like Ken Mehlman, John Bolton, Rick Santorum, Tom Ridge, former Sec of State Shulz, etc?}}}}}

and you rightly pointed out that I said Rush does have guests, albeit rarely, and the fact that steve-o is making up the fact that we were discussing ANY of that other crap he just spewed, you were quite astute in your analysis that he’s a freaking idiot.

Walt,

You’re right about one thing being different between Bush and Kerry’s service. President Bush never said we should elect foe his service in the Guard. Kerry said we should elect because of his Vietnam service, so for that reason Kerry’s record needed scrutiny.

Blackadder,

I’m proud of you for not doing any nicjacking while I was away. Good boy!

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

Right-wing nut job in full glory, you crack me up!

By Environmental realist

April 25, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

Steve-o - You made some good points. However, until we can “phase out” oil and coal, we do need to use them more cleanly and efficiently. Wind is a real problem because it is not as environmentally friendly as some say it is. It takes up a tremendous amount of space and often causes real problems with avian traffic. Nuclear energy is still the cleanest and most effiecient. We can and will find a waste solution. Hydroelectric power also causes a lot of environmental damage - just look at how much of eastern Tennessee is under water!

I guess my point is that there are no quick fixes, and some of the fixes proposed do more harm than good. Biofuels are one of those.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

” Walt,

You’re right about one thing being different between Bush and Kerry’s service. President Bush never said we should elect foe his service in the Guard.”

No, he said he served honorably, which was a lie.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

RW - BD’s post was really from me. You don’t think anyone is really THAT stupid do you? I was being facetious when wrote it.

By Daniel

April 25, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Whereupon, Bush “swiftboated” Kerry. He lied about Kerry, Cleland, Lynch and, now, Tillman. Bush lied about his service and Iraq.

It has taken some time, but the American people are getting it. Thank, God.

By Truthsayer

April 25, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Walt - the lies about Bush’s service were the lies. The record shows that he honorably served. That is why Dan (would) Rather (us surrender to our enemies) is no longer reading news at CBS.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

{{{{{By Blackadder April 25, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this RW - BD’s post was really from me. You don’t think anyone is really THAT stupid do you? I was being facetious when wrote it.}}}}}

Now that ^ ^ ^ post is moronic and childish which would lead one to believe it’s a nicjack, but those are also the only character qualities Blackadder possesses, so who knows. One thing for sure, the 12:05 was far too intelligent to have come from snakeboy.

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

RW,

You are completely full of crap now. You still haven’t addressed the fact that conservative personalities like Hannity and O’Reilly shout down their guests on their shows.

If you think that Stewart was unfair, then please indulge us and give us a justification for the Iraq War, then then tell us if we’re winning and/or why should we just “stay the course”?

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

steve-o,

You NEVER asked me that, moron. I hate the shoutfests from both sides and don’t watch those shows for that very reason. I want to know what people on both sides have to say. Got it?

If Stewart had allowed McCain to speak we might have heard what his perspective was.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

It’s so easy to fool a fool like RW.

By Dusty

April 25, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Right Wing Nut Job in full glory @12:25

Pat Tillman’s personal life or beliefs is none of my business or yours. I only know about his military commitments.

If saying his brother’s actions are caused by grief is an insult, then grief is an insulting word. Both men were volunteers fighting for our country which is admirable.

Perhaps you would like to explain why anything that undermines the military or the country is just fine with you. Otherwise, I will have to call you a “LEFT WING NUT JOB IN FULL GLORY”.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

April 25, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Blackadder,

I am not trying to be funny. I am dead serious. I am trying my best to be good Americans like Dusty and LuckoDull who understand that the real enemy to America are the vast majority of Americans who hate America, hate the troops, hate our wonderful President and are pulling for “they” to win. “They” brought this war to us and by God we will kill “them” where ever we find them (except Pakistan, of course).

If it weren’t for the majority of Americans we would still have a GOP majority in Congress who understand that the lesson of 9/11 is too spread freedom everywhere except here, of course, where freedom is much too dangerous. As Newt said, if a little invasion of privacy or limiting free speech could protect us from attack it would be worth it. You see the terrorists hate us for our freedoms. If LuckoDull, Dusty, Newt and I have our way that whole motive will be gone because there will be no freedom. Then they won’t hate us anymore. And I don’t think this is a laughing matter at all. This is about courage and bravery. Think about the BALLS you’d have to have to criticize Pat Tillman’s brother, who some would say is a veteran. It takes courage to say what must be said. The moral clarity that Dusty has to argue that the Dems are playing politics with Tillman but know that the Admin wasn’t when they slightly bent most of the truth in the name of freedom, is astounding. You may think it funny, but people like Dusty make me think of Lee Greenwood, and that ain’t funny.

Right wing nut job in full glory

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

{{{{{By Blackadder April 25, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this I wish I was like RW, whaaaaaa}}}}}

Freaking loser!

Isn’t it about time for you to go plagiarize something from the fever swamps?

By Power of Light

April 25, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

You guys are so busy fighting each other that you are totally unaware that Luckovich just posted another blog with a great link for you to comment on.

By Scooter

April 25, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

I know people want to know how long we should stay in Iraq and I would like to submit my personal thought. I think we should at least stay until the next elections. It would seem the Iraqis are seeing what their elected officials are doing for them and the next election would be a strong indicator of their will. After all, they are relatively new to this whole representative government thing.

On another note, here is an excerpt of something you will find in a newspaper editor’s trash can: In other areas of the Diyala River Valley, tribal leaders, who previous lacked confidence in the Iraqi security forces, have reached out to the Iraqi Army and Police.

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

April 25, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I am disappointed that you would seemingly back off of your well put comments about Tillman’s brother. You didn’t initially just say that he was grieving, you said that he said things that dishonor his brother BECAUSE he was in grief. No one would question the grief, but to have the HUGE BALLS to point out that he might as well be pis sing on his brother’s grave is most impressive. Don’t back down and never apologize.

Right wing nut job in full glory

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

RW,

So you hate shoutfests but you call me an “idiot”, then a “moron” followed by calling Blackadder a “freaking loser”. What was your point again?

By RE

April 25, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

RW,

Did you actually see the interview with McCain?

the only time someone would not stop talking was when McCain was going into a 2 minute rehash of all the talking points put out over the last few years.

McCain is taking an odd view, he is for the surge, for the war, but thinks everything that has been done up until Gates was named Sec Def was wrong. All responsibility is on Rumsfeld. None on the guy who hired him and kept him on for 6 years. Political balancing act

By Walt

April 25, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

“By Truthsayer

April 25, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Walt - the lies about Bush’s service were the lies. The record shows that he honorably served. That is why Dan (would) Rather (us surrender to our enemies) is no longer reading news at CBS.”

No.

The forged memos overshadowed the bulk of the information, which showed that Bush ducked out of the ANG in 1972, two years before his commitment was up.

Walt

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

{{{{{By Blackadder April 25, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this I wish I was like RW, whaaaaaa}}}}}

Isn’t posting a fake quote akin to nickjacking?

Of course lil Ricky doesn’t see it that way. He revels in being wrong.

Fool.

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

Steve-O,

This isn’t you by any chance is it?

Though he was not selected to join The Ringling Brothers and Barnum and Bailey Circus after graduating Clown College, he did work as a clown in a circus at the Fort Lauderdale Swap Shop flea market.

The same clown who also did this?

Maybe it’s not you, just a role model.

By bon scott

April 25, 2007 1:19 PM | Link to this

The Tillman family is reacting with justified, yet controlled and dignified anger at the lies they were fed for MONTHS by BushCo and the DOD. I’m betting they’re smart enough not to be hijacked by ultra-leftists as Cindy Sheehan was. She had a legitimate complaint too, but was co-opted by fringe elements who have the same credibility as the wingnuts who claimed Sheehan had virtually no contact with her son since his birth. The liars are on both sides. Both side have their irrational rationalizers. Some of those smug, deluded wingnuts make regular appearances on this very board. They happily ignore “inconvenient truths” that cover all aspects of government policy; not just those concerning the environment.

Where are those WMDs? Why are the Iraqi people splitting along sectarian lines instead of happily embracing “democracy”? Where’s Osama?

Speaking of liars, the habit of routinely bending, distorting or just ignoring the truth is a “quality” shared by every senior staffer in BushCo, incuding their fearless, draft-dodging leader himself. You’d think they would have learned something from the mistakes of past administrations, everything from Nixon’s lies about Watergate to Clinton’s lies about Monica. Sooner or later, almost inevitably, the lies catch up with you. Fo some reason, they’ve never grasped that lesson.

Not BushCo. In addition to being amoral liars, they are astoundingly stupid, vastly under-rating the intelligence of the average American. Which probably explains the embarassing comments and behavior of Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz and the other neocon war lovers. And their appropriate rankings in the latest polls.

We’ll forgive a white lie now and then. But a compulsive string of untruths from an administration that is striving to shred the Bill of Rights and otherwise ignore the Constitution and the laws of this land, while blatantly trying to hang onto power for power’s sake, commands little respect and deserves none.

Impeach Cheney, then Bush. I don’t look forward to a President Pelosi, but at this point, a coalition of WalMart checkout workers could do a beter job than the subhumans who now occupy the White House.

By Bill

April 25, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

Excellent toon, Mike. Truth, truth, and more truth.

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

Woops. I hit the post button before I was finished pasting the bio details of a jackass clown known as Steve-O:

On July 31, 2002, Steve-O was arrested in Los Angeles on obscenity and assault charges for performing his now infamous stunt, The Butterfly {in which he staples his scrotum to his leg}

By Truthsayer

April 25, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

Walt - nothing of the sort was ever shown or proven. Please cite the evidence - the hard evidence, not just some twit saying that Bush was supposed to be somewhere and he doesn’t remember him being there.

By RE

April 25, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

From the wall street journal.

But the investigation clearly moved slowly: Federal agents opened the case no later than June 2005, yet key witnesses didn’t get subpoenas until early this year, those close to the case said. The first publicly known search — a raid of a Renzi family business by the Federal Bureau of Investigation — was carried out just last week.

I guess it is just a coincidence, and not some type of obstruction of justice by the department of justice.

Just like Lam was a coincidence. And just like Iglesias was a coincidence.

no one seems to be able to “recall” who chose the US attorneys to be replaced. Not Gonzales, not sampson, not battle, no one yet. Maybe goodling can remember.

By FOUND IT!

April 25, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish’s latest picture from work.

By Daniel

April 25, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

Walt: You got it. There is no record of Bush service during the last two years. No one knows where he was. Bush is not telling. He refused the drug tests. He refused VietNam service. There is rumor Bush was working for a republican politician in Alabama. The outfit in Houston that daddy got him into was referred to as the “Champaigne Brigade” since it included so many of the sons of the rich and powerful ducking service to our country.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

{{{{{By steve-o April 25, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this RW, So you hate shoutfests but you call me an “idiot”, then a “moron” followed by calling Blackadder a “freaking loser”. What was your point again?}}}}}

Yes, but only after reading what you had to say. I did not crash the server in mid blog post top interrupt you. Move on, you’ve lost this argument BIG TIME. Just like Whimpering Harry lost to BIG TIME himself yesterday.

RE,

Yes I saw it and McCain couldn’t get a word in edge wise when he would start to reach his point. I defy you to watch a rerun and find McCain speaking uninterrupted for 2 minutes.

….oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive…..

As for your blame Rummy portion I agree. McCain is quite the wormy sort when it comes to shifting blame which is one of the reasons why I have stated on MANY occasions I will never vote for him. I would have liked to hear what he had to say though. I hear every night what Jon Stewart thinks so why did I have to hear that over again when he was talking to a guest?

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

Well, well. Now finchie Bon Scott has joined the bandwagon, and is making demeaning comments about WalMart employees. Usually it’s about the “greeters” but today “checkout workers” have been added to the mix.

Tsk Tsk. This from someone who just got through accusing the Bush Administration of “under-rating the intelligence of the average American”.

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

So this is what you neoCON ladies find so attractive???!!!! Ouch…

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

I have posted a picture of myself at 1:24. I used the ID ‘Found it’ because I searched high and low for it and was deeply relieved when I found it..

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

finch,

As I was scrolling past your post the last item caught my eye. Impeaching Cheney isn’t going to get you a sequence where you could then impeach Bush and get to Pelosi. There are far too many variables and too little time. I sure as hell wish you would try it though.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 1:30 PM | Link to this

“Isn’t it about time for you to go plagiarize something from the fever swamps?” -RW

What are you babbling about now?

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

RW,

I lost the argument like we are winning in Iraq. Are you serious? You haven’t said a thing besides slinging insults. Stewart owned McCain in a fair interview. McCain was saying the same thing that we’ve been hearing for the past four years. This is an ill-advised war based on lies and fabrications. Now we are bogged down in the midst of a civil war while our soldiers are sitting ducks due to inept leadership and execution that goes all the way to the top.

What more don’t you understand?

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

Blackadder,

Look at your 8:03 plagiarized from Think Progress and my debunking of it at 9:12.

Do you idiots really believe that once the words have scrolled off the top of your monitor that they’re gone.

Sheesh what a dumbass….

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

steve-o,

Talk about lameass talking points try reading your 1:33 without nodding off. You libs are freaking robots.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Folks, RW is just trying to put food on the table.

Times are tough.

Yes, his lame, strawman arguments are patheic but he does get you to repond.

He is doing his job, so keep that in mind.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

RW - yeah so I cut and pasted something from web site. BIG DEAL! Is that now against your little neocon rules too? It’s not as if I was taking credit for it. It’s called SHARING. Sometimes I share things of interest.

Geez what a looney toon.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

I sense another Ricky Wingnut meltdown coming. WATCH OUT FOLKS, HE’S ABOUT TO BLOW!!!

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

See..that’s the problem…the holier-than-thou attitude of you wingnuts. You choose to ignore the facts of the current situation in Iraq and choose instead to fantasize about this being some awful Jerry Bruckheimer movie where we “stay the course” and kick arse and ask questions later.

You claim to listen to all sides of an argument, but yet your views remain so obtuse and misinformed.

Well let’s really get to the heart of your views, RW…tell us if the war in Iraq was a good idea in the first place, and if so, what we should do now and why.

By RE

April 25, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

You got me again RW.

I reviewed the interview, McCain only went about 1:10 without stopping while talking over Jon Stewart.

Check at around 3:17

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

getalife - you are absolutely right. I quit reading and responding to Andy long ago for the same reason. His job is to create arguments no matter how vapid.

Yesterday I posted a scan of a letter to the editor in the Arkansas Democrat Gazette. Ricky decided that the word warning should have been warming in the headline so it was a fake.

I suppose it’s time to drop RW off into the same sh!tcan that Andy resides in and stop responding to his bait.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Blackadder,

It’s not against my rules, but it is against the AJC’s user agreement that you’re so fond of whining about when one of us b!tchslaps you around.

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

Steve-O the Clown,

Getalife posted that same picture recently so it must be making the rounds in Moonbat Comedy Central.

I didn’t get the point then and I still don’t get it, although JW should keep his tongue in his mouth where it belongs.

Why don’t you try and explain it to me?

I know one thing for sure - if a conservative blog posted that picture and used it as derisively as you libs are using it they’d be tarred and feathered as racists.

BTW, you can compare me to Ann Coulter any time and I will take it as a compliment.

later jackass.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

RE,

I can’t play videos on this computer so I’ll just take your word that you’re wrong. I’ve got to take off soon and when I get to a real computer I’ll have a look.

Good idea Blackadder,

Just quit responding to anybody that kicks your @ss all day and pretty soon you’ll be playing with dancing frogs with the DUmmies. Too bad you can’t man up and face me or Andy, but I understand. Cut and Run is sort of an inborn trait of the North American Moonbat.

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Why are you so angry?

By Kinja

April 25, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

I must make the distinction that Blix said fully accept, not completely reject. He also found no evidence of an active WMD program down there; 12 years of sanctions crippled that country’s army. Just look at how quickly their military ran and melted into the general population; note that no WMD’s were used against us. Don’t you think they would have? The whole pretense of “They have WMD’s and they are going to use them really REALLY soon” argument was completely off base. Despite their past aggression, Iraq was weakened significantly by the sanctions, IMO. What was the cost of keeping the economic clamps on another year or ten? You take away the pretense of Iraq is coming to get us, and what do you have?

So that leaves us with the argument that SH was a despot that needed to go.

Iraq, and that whole region are not the only closed societies; one does not even have to look out of our own hemisphere to find an oppressive leader. Hell, we have one 90 miles off the coast of Florida. Have we liberated the people of Cuba from the Castro brothers? Why not?

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

{{{By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

BTW, you can compare me to Ann Coulter any time and I will take it as a compliment.}}}

Well Buy Danish,

DY-NO-MITE!!!!!

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

RW - I’ve proven you wrong so many times that your head must be literally spinning. You are living in Andy’s dream world if you think you EVER kicked anyone’s a$$ on this blog.

You just keep doing what you do best, little man, and stick with the childish taunts. Nobody is impressed.

In the immortal words of W.C. Fields, “go away kid, ya bother me”.

What a gnat.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

Blackadder,

I think RW is pretending to be female in his Buy Danish id.

That is just weird.

Geez.

The Andy id is too obviuos but funny.

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 2:00 PM | Link to this

Steve-0,

The reason I am upset is because you didn’t give me a compliment on my picture I posted for you guys at 1:24.

You’re always ignoring me.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

Kinja,

Keep in mind that the Iraqi Army was surrendering to CNN camera crews before twelve years of sanctions. We had no idea how the blood money being funneled to Saddam through Oil for Food was being used except that it would have been pointless for him to be using it to beef up conventional forces.

The thing that always seems to get overlooked in Scooter’s argument—- (Scooter-correct me if I’ve got this wrong)—-is that the sanctions were being rapidly eroded and we soon would have an Iraq run by Saddam with all the money in the world and no containment had we chosen to just wait and trust.

By Mrs. Godzilla

April 25, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

Just a reminder…

Call, Fax or E-mail your representatives urging them to support the Impeachment of Dick Cheney.

Here’s some fax #’s

Chambliss 202 224 0103

Isakson 202 228 0724

Linder 202 225 4696

Quick before their fax machines run out of paper!

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Ok, one more comment:

“Too bad you can’t man up and face me or Andy, but I understand.” -Ricky the multifaceted blogger

That’s like saying “too bad you won’t respond to a child who keeps saying are we there yet? are we there yet?”

Just an annoyance that really deserves no serious response.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla- already done.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

Blackadder,

Then you should be able to find one such occasion. I’ll be waiting!

I admit that I sometimes feel guilty about pointing out your ignorance so often. Are you actually mentally impaired? If so I’ll let some of it slide.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

It is still fun and a great way to vent your frustrations.

The best paid blog baiters are at the HP.

Man, they take more abuse than any other blog.

Brutal.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

mul·ti·fac·et·ed [ mùltee fássətəd, mùltī fássətəd ]

adjective

Thank you! I knew you would eventually come around.

By Mrs. Godzilla

April 25, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

Blackadder

You are almost as sexy as Kucinich is today!!

Thanks

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Don’t fret RW - I’m sure you’ve gotten used to rejection by now.

By Paul

April 25, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

Russell Simmons, a powerhouse in the hip-hop industry, will be on Bill O’Reilly tonight. He was on a few years ago, OR made the point the genre’s language and portrayals is demeaning to African Americans. Simmons disputed it. OR made the point the African American-owned companies (and the white-owned corporations above them) were interested only in the money. Simmons again disputed it.

Simmons has recently said the recording industry should ban three racist and sexist terms. Given that, and the earlier encounter, it should make for good watching.

Even for you, getalife. :)

A person of Simmons’ stature has his choice of venues to discuss his decision. He picks OR. Not (fill in the blank) from MSNBC or Comedy Central. Hmmmm.

By Jesus

April 25, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By RE

April 25, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

In case Gonzales thought the worst had passed with his punishing testimony last week before the Senate Judiciary Committee, the chairman and top Republican issued a new demand: Refresh the memory that Gonzales claimed had failed him 71 times during the seven-hour session.

“Provide the answers to the questions you could not recall last Thursday,” Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and ranking Republican Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, wrote to Gonzales on Wednesday.

Ha, funny. You cannot recall, fine, no problem. Just get back to us with the information. I am surprised that there is not a massive hiring effort announced yet by the whitehouse to hire on some creative writers. They need new people for the script. Something plausable this time please.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

OMG…HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

{{{{{You are almost as sexy as Kucinich is today!!}}}}}}

Ditto Blackadder, ditto…..

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

On that note I think I’ll get some things done. See you all for Happy Hour. Hey adder, only an hour and a half and you can punch that clock!!

By IN THE NEWS

April 25, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

ABOUT DAMNED TIME

“By 21-10, the House oversight committee voted to issue a subpoena to Rice to compel her story on the Bush administration’s claim, now discredited, that Iraq was seeking uranium from Africa.”

By @@

April 25, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Humble Narrator Walt:

The investigation into Pat Tillman’s death had already been done. Anything beyond that is “political opportunism” in my opinion. Motives in criminal court can be proven. Motives on the battlefield will be difficult, if not impossible to prove. Foggy bottoms and all.

I’ve never been in the military. The husband has, and reluctantly accepts fraticide as an unfortunate reality. The excessive emphasis on it’s existence can hinder the ability of those who continue the fight, possibly putting their lives at risk should they hesitate to act in fear of making a mistake.

There’s an interesting study here. Be sure to scroll down to the section entitled “THE EFFECTS”, it seems to confirm the husband’s assertions.

The study offers this in conclusion:

“Protecting his soldiers lives will always be a battlefield commander’s priority; however, we cannot hope to eliminate fratricide as a problem in modern war. (((Through advances in technology coupled with modifications in training, we will be able to reduce the likelihood of its occurring.”)))

Advances in technology coupled with modifications in training. These are worthwhile endeavors, not pursuing Pat Tillman’s death for political gains.

Did you know that there was a liberal poster at a blogsite that went so far as to say that Pat Tillman was intentionally shot by his fellow soldiers because they were jealous of all the attention “the administration” gave to him? I found it odd that he didn’t include “the media’s” attention in his “deplorable” accusations.

I also found it interesting that you protect and defend Pat Tillman’s service, but then selectively speculate about President Bush’s.

And “Humble Walt”…it’s impossible to see your humility when you assert that my comment was “Stupid”.

But hey…no harm no foul Walter. I leave “our battlefield” unscathed by your “humble” contributions.

Where is YOUR Silver Metal? That’s a good’n Walter.

By IN THE NEWS

April 25, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

ANYBODY SMELL BULLSH!T??

Longer Iraq Tours Good for “Army Stress,” Pentagon Says

By IN THE NEWS

April 25, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

Oh, man. You won’t be surprised to hear that Rupert Murdoch’s New York Post is willing to stoop to extraordinary depths of dishonesty to smear Dems, but this one is quite remarkable.

By RE

April 25, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Hey paul,

Simmons is selling a book. He has been on 60 minutes, Colbert, charlie rose…..etc. He is going on any show that will have him

Not to discredit his influence or his proposed ban, good stuff. But it is far from an endorsement for Bill Orilely.

Man, Bill is starting to get a little frantic lately, he goes off on nutty conspiracy theories now. And his whole idea that there is a hate-america movement. Nutty. I think the ratings slip is getting to him, he still has a commanding lead in the total viewers, but is in 3rd place for 25-55 viewers behind Olberman and Zahn.

Who watches Paula Zahn anyway?

By IraqVet

April 25, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Pat Tillman’s death as well as the Jessica Lynch incident were both attempts to create feel good stories about a war that has had very little to feel good about. Undoubtedly the administration initially thought that Tillman had died by enemy fire but could not resist the chance to highlight the sacrifice of a guy that had it all and gave it up to serve his country. By highlighting Tillman’s sacrifice and strong feeling about his duty to his country it kind of allowed the administration to lay a guilt trip on those that might not so strongly support this war. The Jessica Lynch “reenactment” however was plainly a propoganda stunt.

By Paul

April 25, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

in the news 2:15

Wow, that’s great news. It’s about time. That should really, really assist our country’s efforts to find a way out of Iraq and focus on the real security threats facing our country, shouldn’t it?

Hey, Democrats told us of their plan before the election!

Link:Real Security: The Democratic Plan to Protect America and Restore Our Leadership in the World

Notice this is a link to the source document from the Democratic Party web site.

It’s not very good, though. No where does it state all the backwards-looking hearings they’d hold. It lays out some pretty good things, like port security. I wonder when they’re going to work that issue? Or pay for it? Oh, well, hearings are cheaper and make for greater political theater.

If this is the best they can do, the choices for ‘08 are winnowing fast -

oh yeah - (sarc)

By Lynn T. Eynon

April 25, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

The AJC cannot be considered a source of “information” worth anything. On your front page the article about Tilman says “there is no evidence of a cover up” and yet Lukovich has already made his conclusion that the ‘cover up” went all the way to the top. So which bit of “information” is the truth?

does any thinking person believe the VP and Secretary of Defense have time to deal with “covering up” the facts of a particular death on the war?

Mike has “lost it” over Bush. He is totally filled with bias and “hatred” - yes liberals hate, not just “conservatives.”

Lynn T. Eynon

By Hmmm-tin foil hat anyone?

April 25, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

Tillman lost his life in Afghanistan.

By Paul

April 25, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

RE

Thanks for the update on his other news shows. I checked his listing of tv appearances and came up with zip. Figures he’s writing a book. It’s about the only time some of these guys face the press. I would have liked to have seen the other appearances, see how the hosts handled the issue and what questions they asked.

OR has his “causes” just like anyone else. I wish he’d give more emphasis to some, like Jessica’s Law. I cut him a lot of slack for doing that.

I watched the points about funding (and saw how it was portrayed by some pundits). As I wrote yesterday - rich folks and foundations donate all the time to political causes. Soros seems to go to some lenghts to stay in the limelight on this, in the spotlight on other issues. What I haven’t heard are the organizations saying “here’s where we get our money and here’s what we do with it.” A lot of obfuscation over what “gave” is. I’m for transparency - stronger controls on these 527s and others - and for these groups going beyond the bare requirements of the law. Heck, I’m for full federal funding for federal elections. It’s a nice dream -

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

April 25, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

IraqVet is talking just like Pat’s brother except he’s not even grieving. Go get him. He needs some winger lessons on being a patriot. You’re just the guy to put him in his place.

Right wing nut job in full glory

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Russel Simmons actually was on Comedy Central last night. He was a guest on Colbert’s show. He was pretty good. His interview with O’Reilly should be interesting.

By LuckoDull

April 25, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

{{{By steve-o April 25, 2007 10:58 AM The Daily Show last night was a complete verbal arse whupping. I loved it. There’s absolutely no way that these neoCON wingnuts can rationally defend this farce of a war.}}}

Ever notice how these noisy libs will bring some RINO on their show when they want to flex their muscles and excite their cheesy little coward following?

Oooowwwwwhhhhhh, Stewart “beat up” on McCain, how brave, a former prisoner of war and torture victim, perfect for nutting up on.

Anytime Stewart wants to find out what it is like to be humiliated in front of the world, when he feels like being spanked like a little bitc-h, when he’s tired of being “successful” and wants to end his career, let him find the courage to invite me on his show.

I’ll dust that as-s off.

Coward.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Dusty

April 25, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

@@,

Walt should get “something” for his total acceptance of all liberal propaganda lies.

getalife should be investigated for not reporting the money received for posting propaganda and false accusations on blogs, not to mention his confession of marijuana use.

Blackadder should be investigated for plagiarism.

Mrs. Godzilla should be investigated for trying to take Ronald McDonald’s place as a clown.

And last, but not least, Luckovich should be investigated for making “fun”, known as cartoons, about a dead American soldier.

By RE

April 25, 2007 2:38 PM | Link to this

Hey Lynn,

Just an update for you, when something appears in the front section, it is considered news. When it appears in the “opinion” section….. it is considered opinion.

Hope this helps.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 2:40 PM | Link to this

Then there’s this:

Adj. 1. multifaceted - having many aspects; “a many-sided subject”

That might better explain my position that RW is a nickjacking freak.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

Thanks Mrs. Godzilla. It’s quite a compliment to be compared to someone with the guts to finally go after Cheney.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this

Well Paul,

I flipped through the channels last night and glanced on Bill.

He had Michelle Maulkin on cheering on some stupid point.

I could only stand 5 seconds of that bias.

Pitiful.

By Craig

April 25, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this

Blackadder-When you responded to me using his screen name and then accused him of jacking your name he offered to let the AJC prove it wasn’t true and asked if you would allow the AJC to see what names came from your posting location. As I recall you declined. Since people around here are so quick to convict on the flimsiest of evidence I would say that makes you 100% guilty.

By irish65

April 25, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Great Truth, Mike!!

By getalife

April 25, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I could be lying about the weed because I know you love being lied to.

I guess Lynn does too.

No coverup?

That is funny in a very sad way.

Geez, earth to Lynn, come in Lynn.

The Bushies never tell the truth.

Wake up!

By Mrs. Godzilla

April 25, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

I am always amazed at how gracious and warm our Dusty is.

By Paul

April 25, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

steve-o

Thanks. Did the hosts on these shows seriously address the issue - maybe ask “why now” or was it pretty superficial?

I watched Colbert on OR and OR on Colbert. I thought it pretty much a waste of time. They both stayed “in character” and I didn’t learn much.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Craig - I believe I explained my position. How can we allow the AJC to release our email addresses (the only way to identify us) and maintain anonymity? I’m not willing to allow Ricky Nutjob or any of you other loons to have access to me outside this blog.

To quote your idol - GFY

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

April 25, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

You are correct. It is inappropriate to use a soldier’s death as a reference point for humor. As such Luckovich should be “investigated.” However, I’ll have to admit that I don’t know what “investigated” means in this context. You can see the cartoon right in front of you. If looking at the cartoon and going and shooting the cartoonist in the face is an “investigation” then of course that seems perfectly reasonable, but I don’t see what needs to be “investigated” as that term is used in normal parlance.
I would like to note that using dead soldiers as a refernce point in an humorous context is wrong but telling a live soldier that he is dishonoring his dead soldier brother by questioning the Admin is completely fine and appropriate. The difference of course is that Luckovich is trying to get un-American people to laugh at our Dear Leader while you are merely pointing it out when a veteran doesn’t know how to act with respect to his dead brother and we all know that ain’t funny.

Right wing nut job in full glory

By Paul

April 25, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

getalife

That’s why I record most such shows. Fast forward works great! Get to an unusual guest, unusual host, “play” works great. Then it’s on to fast forward again. (pic in pic worked well, esp with dual audio switching, but the spouse’s patience was about frazzled with that -)

By Dusty

April 25, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Left wing liberal nut job,

Even Iraqvet mentioned that the administration first thought that Tillman was killed by enemy fire. I believe the truth was presented when the facts became known.

Also, I gather you and Iraqvet think that Jessica Lynch should NOT have been removed from an Iraqi hospital because it was ONLY a propaganda move. In other words, just leave her with the people she was fighting? Was there some way to tell whether she was in good hands or not? I see. You only want BAD WAR NEWS reported.

I can’t tell you how nonsensical your comments have become. I won’t even bother to respond to such illogical comments any more.

By @@

April 25, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

Dusty:

I’m sorry, I haven’t been home long. No chance to read all comments. I just edit for @@ and respond if needed.

If today is anything like all days, maybe we should just have them all committed under a diagnosis “paranoid schizophrenia”.

I saw yesterday where Getalife thinks “we” are one in the same. I think Getalife is confused, as usual. I had mentioned that I hung out with a schizophrenic in college. He must have read that I was a schizophrenic.

Getalife:

I neglected to answer your question the other day. NO! I didn’t drive the guy crazy. He was already predisposed. Kinda like you upon your daily entry here, but yours is in a fun way.

Your not dangerous Getalife. Just “insane”. (ISH)

By Walt

April 25, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

“By @@

April 25, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Humble Narrator Walt:

The investigation into Pat Tillman’s death had already been done.”

I know clear expression is a challenge for some.

“…been done.” when?

There was no question from about 5 minutes after he bled out that he was killed by his own unit.

There were no bad guys even engaged.

It reminds me of when the Nixon White house first learned about the breakin at the DNC.

One of the perps said, “it never occured to us there wouldn’t be a cover up.”

But the Army is supposed to have a different standard.

From Gen. McArthur’s famous speech in 1962:

“The long gray line has never failed us. Were you to do so, a million ghosts in olive drab, in brown khaki, in blue and gray, would rise from their white crosses, thundering those magic words: Duty, Honor, Country.”

But when the Army guys tried to cover up the friendly fire aspect, they ignored what the general said.

And so do you, I guess.

Walt

By steve-o

April 25, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You know Colbert’s format…the guest gets only 1 minute to say something of substance, then the rest is banter. He made some good points. But I think his appearance on O’Reilly’s show will be interesting.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

@@,

I have been called worse.

How can the majority of American people, who are informed, all be insane?

Could it be the 28% minority who are nuttier than a fruitcake?

The numbers are not adding up.

By ricardo

April 25, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is …

By jake

April 25, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

Luckodull

Again!!! You couldn’t possibly have a job and if you do, you must not do it well or earn the income that said employer provides. Do you understand that political pundits don’t even necessarily have to believe or mean what they say / write / draw? That is to say that they’re in the business of spurring emotion which in this case, they’ve clearly garnered out of you. Take your big right wing blow hards: O’reilly, Hannity, Rush, or any broadcaster on Fox News…they don’t mean or care about half of what they say. Their job is to feign rage make inflamatory remarks that get dumbsh!ts like you riled up and paying attention. Whether you agree or disagree with them isn’t their concern. What they care about is that you tune in. So long as “the sponsors” keep them on the air and keep their wallots stacked, they don’t care what kind of damage they do to America’s lowest common denominator. Stop buying into this political game. In other words, take away the demand and the market will dictate that the supply run out.

By IN THE NEWS

April 25, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

ANYBODY SURPRISED??

Wolfowitz Deputy Doctored World Bank Climate Change Reports

By getalife

April 25, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

Flip flop

And

McLiar takes his whooping like a man

John’s blog is great.

By Dusty

April 25, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this

Last comment to nut job @2:52

Investigate does not mean shoot in the face. Not to me, anyway.

I said that Tillman’s brother was acting in grief. I do not think that the dead Tillman joined the military because he hated it or volunteered for service to his country because he did not support it. Therefore, I think what the brother is doing is not consistent with the way Tillman lived in any way. But, AGAIN, I think grief has overpowered the Tillman family.

No more answers to your twisting and turning.

By Craig

April 25, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

Blackadder-I’m fairly sure it was explained to you that you are wrong about the email address being what ties the posting together with a comment posting location. You don’t even have to use a real email address here. Cursing at me for pointing out what happened is a sure sign though. It isn’t my fault that you used RW’s screen name to respond to me proving for all to see just who the name jacker was.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

They are sick of being lied to Dusty.

Why are you not sick of it?

By getalife

April 25, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

Craig = RW.

By @@

April 25, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Walter:

Why am I wondering what motivates you to use the word “perp”?

Can I call you a left-wing “pimp”?

I don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater Walter. I like the baby washed first. Then the water drained.

I have different priorities than you.

Yours are politically motivated. That is repetitively apparent. It’s rather petty to use the word “smirk” when referring to President Bush.

I want careful consideration given to the “unintended consequences” of hasty decisions.

That’s all.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

Craig - I’ve forgiven RW for his meltdown. Why are you bringing up ancient history?

Get over it and move on already.

By bon scott

April 25, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

By Buy Danish - April 25, 2007 1:28 PM - Well, well. Now bon scott has joined the bandwagon, and is making demeaning comments about WalMart employees. Usually it’s about the “greeters” but today “checkout workers” have been added to the mix. Tsk Tsk. This from someone who just got through accusing the Bush Administration of “under-rating the intelligence of the average American”.

Donut, your “talent” for twisting an observation have never been better illustrated. I wasn’t insulting the intellect of Wal-Mart checkers. I was complimenting their powers of reason, logic and compassion… compared to those subhumans now occupying the White House.

So it’s you who are dissing the checkers. And you owe them, and me, an apology.

By Walt

April 25, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

“By Truthsayer

April 25, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

Walt - nothing of the sort was ever shown or proven. Please cite the evidence - the hard evidence, not just some twit saying that Bush was supposed to be somewhere and he doesn’t remember him being there.”

There is a lot of corroborative info at that link I provided.

The definitive datum is that the ANG pay records show that Bush did not participate for 18 consecutive months.

Further, as a pilot, he had to have a flight physical every year.

He did not have flight physicals for 1972, 1973 or 1974.

As a pilot, he signed a form (should be at that link) that he agreed to stay in a flying status for the whole six years 1968-74.

Bush has NEVER had to toe an objective line or be judged by an objective standard.

That may change.

Walt

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

You have to admit, the people of Iraq are much better off than they were under Saddam Hussein - you know, when they had frills like electricity, water, housing and food and loved ones who weren’t blown to smithereens by either of the 3 sides of this occupation.

BAGHDAD, April 25 (Reuters) - The United Nations rebuked Iraq’s government on Wednesday for refusing to disclose politically sensitive civilian casualty figures in what it described as a “rapidly worsening humanitarian crisis”.

Shi’ite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki’s government has accused the U.N. mission in Iraq of exaggerating the death toll from sectarian violence between majority Shi’ites and minority Sunni Arabs and banned Iraqi officials from releasing data.

In a new human rights report on Iraq, the United Nations said academics, journalists and doctors and members of Iraq’s religious and ethnic minorities were increasingly being intimidated, killed or kidnapped by armed groups.

By @@

April 25, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

Oh boy. A liberal “namejacker”.

I love watching them get caught in the act. Blackadder?

It wouldn’t be the first time.

I’m off (up) to review.

By Republicans don't give a s** about the troops

April 25, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwxM42Tl7Jo

I just want all of you red blooded patriotic conservatives to listen to what Pat Tillman’s mom thinks about the Bush Administration and the military lying about her son’s death for political gain. I am sure that the GOP attack dogs will turn on the Tillman familiy and the Lynch family because of what they’re saying now. The brave and noble Dick Cheney(4 student deferments for Vietnam and 1 parental deferment) will probably have something to say about this and perhaps AWOL George will get a jab in. Perhaps, even GOOD OLE Saxy Chamblis will tell the Lynch family and the Tillman’s that they lack “courage” to lead on this issue or that they’re underming the military. This along with the conditions at Walter Reed hospital should let you know that Republicans care more about defense contractors and stoking the fires of patriotism than the actual welfare of our troops and vets. Whenever a Republican talks about how opposing them is the equivalent of “not supporting the troops” I want to throw up. Pretty soon it won’t matter what Republicans say because the GOP is in for a monumental a* whooping at the polls in 2008.

By Truthsayer

April 25, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

getalife - you might choose a more reliable source next time. Think Progress is somewhat to the left of even… you!

By ABS

April 25, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

To ricardo @3:08 — Strength

By Craig

April 25, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Blackadder-I don’t like coming and reading the constant false accusations, when I was the one that had the comment from you addressed to me and it was very obviously from you using his name. It’s also laughable that you even blame your meltdown on him. I guess he’s right about you, although I’ll refrain from the name calling.

By Ted Rall

April 25, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Many in the media are gearing up for the 2008 presidential campaign, relegating the illegitimate, corrupt, murderous liars of the Bush Administration—with their 28 percent approval rating—to the status of yesterday’s news. But there’s still plenty of time for Bush and his monstrous cronies to do plenty of damage. For the next two years, if given the chance, they will kill hundreds of thousands more Iraqis and Afghans, thousands more American soldiers and waste billions of our taxdollars…and that’s if they don’t start another war, against Iran.

By Kinja

April 25, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

RW:

That’s my point; Iraq in general was crippled by the time of the invasion. Many of the WMD agents they possessed at the end of Gulf I had a shelf life of 5+ years, and there was no compelling evidence that they were manufacturing more in preparation of an attack: they couldn’t.

Again, why liberate Iraq, and not Cuba, or Insert-African-Country-Name-Here?

What, the cigars not enticing enough?

By Walt

April 25, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

“Walter:

Why am I wondering what motivates you to use the word “perp”?

Can I call you a left-wing “pimp”?”

The person who made that comment was definitely a ‘perp’ who particpated in the cover-up.

Walt

By Republicans don't give a s** about the troops

April 25, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwxM42Tl7Jo

I just want all of you red blooded patriotic conservatives to listen to what Pat Tillman’s mom thinks about the Bush Administration and the military lying about her son’s death for political gain. I am sure that the GOP attack dogs will turn on the Tillman familiy and the Lynch family because of what they’re saying now. The brave and noble Dick Cheney(4 student deferments for Vietnam and 1 parental deferment) will probably have something to say about this and perhaps AWOL George will get a jab in. Perhaps, even GOOD OLE Saxy Chamblis will tell the Lynch family and the Tillman’s that they lack “courage” to lead on this issue or that they’re underming the military. This along with the conditions at Walter Reed hospital should let you know that Republicans care more about defense contractors and stoking the fires of patriotism than the actual welfare of our troops and vets. Whenever a Republican talks about how opposing them is the equivalent of “not supporting the troops” I want to throw up. Pretty soon it won’t matter what Republicans say because the GOP is in for a monumental a* whooping at the polls in 2008.

*Oh yeah Dusty you are f*** delusional. You say the Tillman’s are acting out of grief, but how would you feel if one of your family had their death covered up by the military and used for political gain. 4 generals and 5 other high ranking officers(they are still investigating Bush administration involvement) knowingly and willing covered this up. The soldier standing right next to Pat Tillman when he died said to congress he was ORDERED not to discuss Tillman’s death. The army also; burned Pat’s uniform, destroyed his diary, and created a false report about his death. Dusty what you have said is absurd. If your making excuses for the militaries actions in this case you obviously have personal problems. I know it hurts your feelings that this IREFUATALBE lie was willingly and purposely pushed by the military and Republican party for political game, but that’s the truth. I am sorry for any pain and suffering this has caused you.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Rice in the hot seat

“I do not recall” part II.

The oversight business is really picking up.

Nice work.

By Kinja

April 25, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

Blackadder:

Hopefully, they willbe_ better off in the long run; things are pretty bad right now.

By Ted Rall

April 25, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

craig - welcome to RW’s fantasy.

You really need to let it go. You’re exhibiting the same obsessive traits as your idol.

I’ve gotten over his meltdown - why can’t you?

By getalife

April 25, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

No Laura, the troops and their families suffer more

Geez, tell your husband to man up and resign.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

Of course I probably should have done it this way instead but then nobody would have known which passage I wanted to share.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

Well I’m of to the office to fix yet another SNAFU caused by the one employee who has a Rush Limbaugh mouse pad.

Take care all.

By Blackadder

April 25, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

Somehow my post that should have hit around 3:49 disappeared.

I was apologizing for not posting as Blackadder after posting the Ted Rall item.

As I said I would hate for Ricky Walnuts to accuse me of plagiarizing Rall and was merely giving credit.

We all know how much Ricky’s opinion means to us.

Later.

By Capt

April 25, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Hey Lukkkki…what do you put on your income tax form under occupation….traitor, sissy or what

By LuckoDull

April 25, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

This is what I’d have Stewart doing if he ever gets the balls to have me on his show:

{{{By Blackadder April 25, 2007 11:16 AM I figured andy}}}

{{{By Blackadder April 25, 2007 1:46 PM getalife - you are absolutely right. I quit reading and responding to Andy long ago for the same reason.}}}

{{{By Blackadder April 25, 2007 1:58 PM You are living in Andy’s dream world}}}

{{{By Blackadder April 25, 2007 2:03 PM face me or Andy,}}}

Babbling like an idiot, hahaha.

You should have learned by now not to f with me.

I’ve given fair warning.

Cowards.

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By LuckoDull

April 25, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

{{{By jake April 25, 2007 3:11 PM Their job is to feign rage make inflamatory remarks that get dumbsh!ts like you riled up and paying attention.}}}

Hey, why don’t you get yourself a Pamprin™ and call me back in the morning?

If you would read my post carefully, calmly without getting hysterical, you would notice that I agree with you.

These loudmouths need to be called out.

You take Limbaugh and I’ll take Stewart, O.K?

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By @@

April 25, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

Well crap. Moving up the board was an exercise in futility.

The only thing I saw was a strong “very strong” resemblance to rushncap’s “testosterone flexing” muscle.

Blackadder/rushncap? Who the hell knows or cares anymore.

Blackadder refers to his plagiarism as “liking to share things of interest”.

Hell, rushncap was the same way. He liked to share “things” too.

Cue the music….

It’s your thang, do whatcha wanna do.

I can’t tell ‘ya who to sockit to.

Liberal sock puppets. This board is full of them.

Fair play has never been the/a Democrat’s strong suit.

Pathetic!!!!!!

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

April 25, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

All I have tried to do is agree with you and support you. I don’t understand your apparent frustration. I thought you were a brave winger but you’re acting like a lefty lib wimp coward.

In addition, you had it right about Pat Tillman’s brother the first time when you said:

“Pat Tillman’s brother is not living up to his brother’s dedication. He has lost it with grief. His actions are not anything that would make his brother proud.”

I’ve repeatedly said you were right and you continue to back off. I don’t get it. You said in essence that Pat would be ashamed of his brother. I agree with you and state that its fair comment. I was glad that someone had the BALLS to say it. Why are you backing away? Defend it. Say that its ok to “investigate” Luckovich, without any definition as to what that may mean, for using a soldiers death as a reference point in a humor based forum to embarrass our GREAT LEADER, and it is ok to tell a vet that he is dishonoring his dead brother.

All I see you do is keep focusing on grief. There are a lot of ways to grieve and there is a lot of grieving going on, but not everyone is dishonoring their own dead brother like you so eloquently stated earlier. Either own it or apologize like a coward. You said it. I just concur. Be a man, Dusty and stand up for criticizing vets with dead brothers when they step out of line. All you are doing is supporting the troops, well at least the ones who support the Furher.

Right wing nut job in full glory

By getalife

April 25, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

Lets see @@,

5 subpoenas issued today compared to thousands by the gop for Clinton.

Your right, they need to issue thousand more, just be fair.

By Daniel

April 25, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

steve-o the clown,

I’m not “angry” in the least. I could not be more amused by your idiotic comments, although I’ll admit since I’m not a liberal I don’t have any “tolerance” for fools.

btw, I still await your explanation of just what is so fabulously funny about the Ann Coulter/Jimmie Walker photo.

IN THE NEWS,

Regarding your shocking expose’ about the NY Post - moving something from the 13th paragraph to the first is something that editors do all the time. DUH.

Is there one fact in the Post’s version of the AP story that you dispute? Do you think that it is a lie to state that the Reid/Pelosi Rapid Surrender Plan would not be a “death sentence for millions of Iraqis?”.

By Dusty

April 25, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

Republicans @3:43 (another phony ID),

Would you mind telling me what the great political advantage was to be gained by the so-called cover-up of Tillman’s death?

We already knew Tillman loved his country and volunteered to fight for it. Was that news for you? That our administration appreciates our soldiers who fight for us?

Yes, I say Tillman’s family is seeking some sort of vindication in their grief. They are acting in just the opposite of everything that Tillman showed in his own decisions. I do not know what he told his family but I do know that he volunteered and went to war for this country. That is not what the family is presenting. They are trying to feel better by indicting the military, something their dead son never did.

The only “gain” achieved in this unnecessary confrontation is for our enemies. They love every minute of it. Republicans have not gained. Democrats have not gained. The country has not gained. Only our enemies. I hope you realize what “gains” you have promoted.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

April 25, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

-=-

Pat Tillman was a true patriotic hero. Not only because he dropped his “golden career” to fight against the terrorism in Afghanistan after 9-11, but also because he spoke out against Bush and the wrongful nature of invading Iraq. He died from friendly fire, but that was not the greatest insult to this man.

Instead his body and death were paraded in the news as a great -pro-Bush-Policy- hero that supported the virtues of the very war in Iraq, that he was clearly against. He believed in the fight in Afghanistan, but when they sent him to Iraq, he spoke openly against Bush and that war. But that didn’t stop the using him for political gain in his death by the Right Wingers.

From Ann Coulter gushing over his ab’s and Christian Patriotism, to Hannity and his cult of Pat Tillman “Great American” speeches for the glorious war in Iraq’. All of which were slaps in the face to Pat Tillman and his family.

The truth of his death was covered up, his family lied to by the military, and his actual beliefs perverted for propaganda by the Bush-Co machine. His covictions were distorted with even more lies about his faith and beliefs being spin dumped upon the media making Pat out as something and somebody he was actually opposed to. His funeral was even mde into a great patriot media circus, something that Pat himself would not have wanted as he shied away from such publicity.

This was a quote that stuck in my mind about Pat that was spoken by his youngest brother Rich Tillman at Pat’s funeral:

“Pat isn’t with God,”. “He’s f — ing dead. He wasn’t religious. So thank you for your thoughts, but he’s f — ing dead.”

His family is now fighting all the lies and smears that the NeoCon right has laid up against them. They are the ones that the world should listen to. They are not in this for political gain. They only want justice and the truth. None of the Tillman’s are running for office. Sure it will be used by others that are, but the facts are the Tillmans deserved to know the truth about how he was killed long before Pat was laid to rest.

Instead - they were the victims of a cover-up and lies and political grandstanding. And now the neocons victimize this family even more by more lies with a spin and smear agenda to make the Tillmans look like they are against this great country.

And t

By FILSTER

April 25, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

Shame on everyone here. The only people, and I repeat ONLY PEOPLE who have the right to speak about Tillman’s death is his family. ANyone else who uses it for politcal gain is scum.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

April 25, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

(cont)

Instead - they were the victims of a cover-up and lies and political grandstanding. And now the neocons victimize this family even more by more lies with a spin and smear agenda to make the Tillmans look like they are against this great country.

And that my friends is why America is failing it’s Military and Their Families.

It’s time to tell the truth about this war, just as Pat would have wanted.

It’s time to tell the Truth!

Thomas/PNAC

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

So now Blackadder is posting as Ted Rall? Sheesh what an idiot.

Do you suppose he even knows that the first two letters in SNAFU mean situation normal If he was going in to an office instead of running out as the bell rang I’ll retire from blogging.

getalife,

I’m Craig and I’m your next door neighbor and I’m Andy and I’m Buy Danish, hell maybe I’m even Midori.

Geez….Here I am over here too…BOO!

By @@

April 25, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

Hey Getalife!!!!

I’ll show you mine if you’ll show me yours.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

RW,

I figured it out the first night I posted here.

Do you blame Tillman’s family for this outrage like that scum crusty?

I hope you are a better person than that pathetic creature.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

getalife,

As usual you are misrepresenting Dusty’s passionate and patriotic position. Why do you moonbats always try the divide and conquer approach? We conservatives are already individual thinkers so you should know by now it never works with us.

By Dusty

April 25, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

nut job 4:48

I don’t need your “support” or interpretations. And I don’t stand up like a “man” because I am not one.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

@@,

I hope I am wrong and you are not Dusty. I know you work with children and better than blaming Tillman’s family.

It does get any worse than that.

I will have to show you mine later.

We need about 900 more subpoenas and then I will show you mine.

By LuckoDull

April 25, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

Cowards:

{{{The head of the Democratic Party said Wednesday that the best way to get presidential candidates to talk frankly about issues is to lock out the media. During the Mortgage Bankers Association conference, a banker expressed frustration with candidates who only talk in sound bites and wondered how that could be changed. Howard Dean, once a presidential candidate, offered a simple solution.}}}

These democrats know that they are witless morons, prone to saying the stupidest things possible, making themselves look just as ignorant as Midori, can you blame them for speaking in carefully crafted soundbites?

And tell me, if there are live people at these media barred pinko talking sessions, will they kill the witnesses at the end of the night just to keep the idiocy a secret?

What a bunch of clueless dolts.

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By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

April 25, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

-=-

2 really sad state of affaiurs stories —

First - recalled petfood used as hog food and has contaminated Human food supply

And don’t tell me they didn’t know about the problem before the actual recall and start dumping the bad food! This needs a full investigation. I hope anyone affected by tainted Pork sue’s this company into non-existence!

Next - Possible kneejerk - emphasis Jerks - reaction to Virginia Tech killings

Just lovely!~

-=-

By getalife

April 25, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Ok RW,

I guess I was wrong about you.

Nevermind.

By @@

April 25, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

Good grief Getalife.

I would say that it’s rather “outrageous” to refer to Dusty as “scum”.

You know there are those who refer to “your strippers” as scum.

I don’t. Most of them are hard-working young ladies who seek to strengthen their families finances. And YOU are their strongest supporter (jockstrap).

I’ve often wondered though. Just how much money you waste on a “good feel” when you could be “feeling good” helping out the victims of Katrina in your fine city of New Orleans?

By getalife

April 25, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

@@,

Yes, blaming the Tillman family for the lies of the Bushies is scum.

I am going to take a break now before I go off.

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Here’s some good news for you.

By Cletus Snow

April 25, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

Luckovitch attracts moonbats and whackos like flies to dog dung.Most of his cartoons reek of bovine excretement

By Don

April 25, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

I guess these cons have the same mentality in attacking the Tillman family as those that villify whistleblowers. The misdeed that they have exposed doesn’t matter. Kind of like the Mafia mentality.

By Dusty

April 25, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Do you excel at anything other than name calling and prevarications? Cigar smoking does not count.

Try to relax a bit. The strain is showing.

By @@

April 25, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

(((I hope I am wrong and you are not Dusty.)))

I have the great pleasure of saying that YOU ARE WRONG. As to the remainder of that paragraph I will reiterate what RW has already said.

You will never divide to conquer.

Hope rings eternal. You’ve heard that before haven’t you Getalife. I’m sure you and your family shared in it after your health problems.

There’s a big difference between what Dusty and I hope for in Iraq and what you and your friends here hope for.

I’ll leave you with your hope and hold firmly to mine, Dusty’s, RW’s, Andy’s and Buy Danish’s. It’s the right (not political) thing to do.

By Daniel

April 25, 2007 5:33 PM | Link to this

PNAC: Bush gutted FDA. There’s no one home to check the food supply. The manufacturers are “policing themselves”. Malmine got into the pig food chain. Now, they’re feeding it to the republicans.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

Would you like to back up your assertion that Bush gutted the FDA or should we just dismiss it as your deranged muttering?

By the way, I’ve got some bad news for you and Murtha. It’s starting to look like the Marines at Haditha did nothing wrong.

By @@

April 25, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

Congratulations to Delta Airlines and her employees.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

April 25, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

-=-

No!

It’s more like the GOP and the Administration has gutted anything with Oversite, Whistleblowers, and/or Checks and Balances.

It is the “Secrets Government” - and “Divisive Government” of the GOP’..

Ahhh - the Orwellian Dream!`

-=-

By LuckoDull

April 25, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

Letting the Cowards have it:

{{{“It must come as a shock to Al Qaeda leaders to have an aide come into their safe house and tell them that Senator Reid has declared that, in fact, they are winning and the war is lost,” Hunter said. “I think it’s highly irresponsible for the leader of the U.S. Senate to have said that and, just speaking for myself as the ranking Republican on the Armed Services Committee, I think that the leader of the Senate should step down from that position.”}}}

Oh, my. Step down indeed.

{{{Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio called Pelosi’s decision “shameful.” Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., called it “insulting and disrespectful.” “While Speaker Pelosi was able to jet-set around the globe to meet with Syrian leaders, she finds it inconvenient to meet with the U.S. commander in Iraq during his brief visit to Washington,” Wilson said.}}}

Damnnnnn.

It’s about time.

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By Daniel

April 25, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

RW: You mean Haditha, where our Marines killed 24 innocent civilians? Where Sgt Dela Cruz has agreed to testify against the marines who fired US weapons into the backs of the heads of women and children? Where an independent Army Investigation found the Marines lied? You mean in the Iraq war where Bush lied to America? Where republicans regularly endorse killing more civiliansn day in and day our? You mean, that Haditha?

By N-GA

April 25, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this

The headstone could just as well read “TRUTH”, because this administration has certainly buried the truth.

It began with the GOP not denouncing the “Swiftboat Veterans for Truth” and continued with the attacks on Max Cleland.

It became just another spin job when they doctored the reports of government scientists to suit their polluting constituents. Then they took it to a new level when they told everyone how much the Medicare drug bill would cost, only they knew that it would really cost much more.

That was nothing compared to their weak excuses for going to war with Iraq. The Shrub used the SOTU address to lie about Hussein’s “attempt” to go nuclear. How many words were in that lie….11 or 12?

Then it’s okay to drill for oil in Alaska, but not okay to drill off the coast of Florida.

Let’s not even get into Abramoff and the 11 convictions to date.

The word limit on this blog makes it impossible to cite all the lies of the administration. Let’s just say that this group of ugly Americans fostered a culture where telling the truth became the exception rather than the rule.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

@@,

You and friends have lost the ability to determine right from wrong.

If you blame his family like Dusty, I feel sorry for you.

I think I will discuss politics with people that know right from wrong.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

Yes Daniel that Haditha. Thr one where you and John Murtha have slandered and lied about our Marines and the evidence is piling up that they did NOTHING wrong, That Haditha.

Where’s your f*** evidence about Bush gutting the FDA you Marine slandering punk POS?

By Daniel

April 25, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

RW: You are a fool.

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

LuckoDull,

I’ve heard some great stuff from the Right in the last few days - Cheney’s smackdown of Harry “Chiuauah” Reid, Rudy’s great NH speech, the comments you just cited and others.

What ever will the Dems do if Reid steps down? If that shaky voiced terrorist appeasing loser is the best they’ve got, I can’t wait to see his replacement.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

Funny you should bring up Abramoff, It looks the Democrat freshamn class has taken on an even bigger crook to handle their cash.

By getalife

April 25, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

You are correct as usual Daniel.

I am sure these wingnuts will blame the troops families for that cover up too.

Mr. Murtha was right again and they hate him for being right.

They do not know right from wrong and it is a damn shame.

By Paul

April 25, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

If I may interject as Daniel hasn’t responded, it sounds from the tone of Daniel’s FDA post that the info was taken from a recent USA Today story:

Link:FDA Budget Revisions

This is another typical “read the budget to support any position” story. Notice they didn’t say “FDA shifts emphasis” or “High tech inspections means more accuracy, fewer inspections” or anything like that. Notice budget’s up, subareas of budget are down. But where was the money cut? Noninspection personnel? Or was it general, and in tandem FDA decided to reduce some inspections? In other words, is it really cause and effect.

Typically, govt agencies will trumpet worst case results from any loss of funds - local and state are among the worse. Cut my budget? Okay, we shut libraries, health care for poor, police and fire protection (not my assistants, benefits, discretionary funds, etc).

We gotta get past measuring program success by saying equal or more dollars spent from year to year is “good.” It’s not that simple.

By LuckoDull

April 25, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

Look at this sh-it, Reid caught with his hand in the cookie jar again:

{{{In a news release not long after the CPI study was released, the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) criticized the practice of lobbyists such as Oldaker serving as fundraisers for lawmakers. CREW head Melanie Sloan said of such relationships, “I think it’s a little too cozy.” Following the public criticism, Senators Harry Reid, Byron Dorgan and Edward Kennedy all dumped Oldaker, who had been heading their respective leadership PACs. Shortly after their announcement, Sen. Blanche Lincoln followed suit, removing Oldaker as her PACs treasurer.}}}

Hat tip: RW.

WTF is this?

All these candy a-ss hysterical cowards in here whining about honesty, the punk as-s cartoonist^^ whining about honesty, why don’t you libs look up your own as-ses?

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By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

April 25, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

-=-

For RW:

A recent Government Accountability Office report noted that most of the $1.7 billion the federal government allocates to food safety goes to the Agriculture Department, which is responsible for regulating about 20 percent of the food supply. The FDA, responsible for most of the other 80 percent, gets about 24 percent of the total.

And of course! The Drug Manufacturers come first!…

The lack of FDA enforcement is consistent with Bush’s policy of allowing corporations to regulate themselves, akin, critics claim, to allowing the fox to guard the henhouse. If there’s a theme to Bush’s oversight of public health and welfare, it’s that corporate profits trump public safety and public interest.

By Daniel

April 25, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

Paul: Send a pork chop to RW! Anyone who wants the scoop on Haditha go to: “24 civilians killed by US Marines”. It was on November 19, 2005. I am so weary of the Bush Brown Nosers. Pity, our beloved country.

By Pragmatic Man

April 25, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

Why doesn’t everyone on this blog just go ahead and admit that truth is not part of an equation that threatens a political agenda. The agenda is all that matters. In the case of the right wing in this country, they are seeing before their very eyes their agenda, everything that they hold dear going up in smoke. It is not that they don’t see or understand the truth. They just don’t care. They are facing extinction and the reality of becoming non-relevant outsiders. In the course of 6 short years they have gone from penthouse to outhouse politically and in the fight to retain some semblance of relevancy they have to ignore and deny the truth.

By Paul

April 25, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this

Peoples for nuked

That started out good at 6:15 - referencing a Gov’t Accountability Office study (one can read them online - going to the source) but in my opinion it went downhill fast when the opinion/editorial was linked to a blog with an agenda. Do you know if GAO made any such assertions in their conclusions?

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this

Getaclue,

Are you aware of a conclusion to the Haditha situation that the rest of us are not privy too?

Preliminary court hearings are scheduled to begin next month at Camp Pendleton.

You have a lot of nerve calling Dusty “scum”.

Daniella,

Dittoes to you.^^^^

RW,

I’m waiting for Steve-o the clown to come in about now and ask us why we’re “angry”.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Thanks. I’m sure you knew that my take was pretty much the same as yours with the shell game budget questions.

My only point in asking was that Daniel NEVER backs up his claims and I wanted to goad him into trying.

Daniel,

What if the minute by minute details of the day prove that they were doing exactly what they should have been doing in Haditha and the sensationalist slander that Murtha threw up and you swallowed back down is another anti-war pack of lies? Are you going to apologize? It’s anti-American scum like you that convicts people without evidence just to pick up a few seats that make me sick.

By Daniel

April 25, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

BD: Sgt. Dela Cruz has agreed to testify against his fellow Marines. An Army Investigation concluded the Marines had tried to cover up a mass murder of women and children. Dela Cruz was there. RW has gone beserk. Can I ship you a pound of bacon?

By Paul

April 25, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

Pragmatic Man 6:19

Interesting the support you offer for truth is not part of the political agenda are “examples” from the “right.” Nothing from the “left?” are they really free of this? - or is it really “Partisan Man”? (not to be confused with “Partical Man” by They Might Be Giants).

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

Windbag,

I quit going to your propaganda sites long ago.

Buy Danish,

At least Daniel wants to give me a pork chop, but in true liberal fashion he wants someone else to pay for it.

By Daniel

April 25, 2007 6:32 PM | Link to this

RW: You’re sick without any help from me. As Kevin Tillman says: “Dead is dead”. Our Marines fired machine guns into Iraqi homes. Women and children are dead. When crooked politicians and fools like you send troops into an impossible conflict this is what you get. This is your war. I haven’t convicted anyone of anything. Only a court can do that. Let me know where I cn ship that bacon.

By How About A Pound Of Truth, Daniella?

April 25, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

On Tuesday, the Marine Corps announced that all charges had been dropped against Sergeant Sanick Dela Cruz. He had been charged with murder for the incident in Haditha, Iraq, on November 19, 2005.

And that was the only part of the story the media got right.

There were reports of a plea deal, that this was terrible for the defense. Lawyers said prosecutors must have had the sergeant over a barrel. He’s saving his own skin! He’s a traitor!

And no one had the facts.

There was no deal, no pretrial arrangement of any kind for testimony, sources close to Sergeant Dela Cruz’s defense told me.

Lieutenant General James Mattis ordered Sergeant Dela Cruz to cooperate and testify eleven days before the charges against Sergeant Dela Cruz were dropped.

General Mattis had come to the conclusion that, on balance, the charges against Sgt. Dela Cruz should not go forward. Still, Sergeant Dela Cruz was a witness and (like Corporals Mendoza, Salinas, and others) he will be required to testify truthfully. It would be incredible if he wasn’t.

Many have said that Sergeant Dela Cruz’s testimony regarding Sergeant Frank Wuterich firing on suspects at the taxi will convict Wuterich. More nonsense.

Here’s what some people have a hard time grasping.

Sergeant Dela Cruz only knows what he saw. He doesn’t know what Sergeant Wuterich saw.

Dela Cruz doesn’t know how the situation looked through Wuterich’s eyes when he came to a split-second decision to fire at the five Iraqis beside a white taxi.

And Dela Cruz, who likes and respects Wuterich, is not going to second-guess the way his fellow Marine saw things.

November 19, 2005 was Wuterich’s first day in combat. Dela Cruz was in Operation Iraqi Freedom with the 4th Marines. His second tour was with the 1/4 in hellholes like Najaf. His third tour (with the 1st Marines) brought Dela Cruz to Haditha that morning.

-Continued

By Paul

April 25, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

I got hold of a Rand Corporation study called “Where Did The Money Go?” Written mid-1970s when home values in Calif were skyrocketing - for several years. Increasing home values means more property tax revenue. Lots of it. It funded schools, yet school population growth showed mild gains - hence the title of the study.

Answer? Money went not to the kids, but to a greatly expanded government bureaucracy. Oh, it was all part of “education” but it became part of their baseline funding. So, any call for a reduction in property taxes (therefore funds available for schools/education) is met with “you’re punishing kids to give tax breaks to people who don’t need it!”

Sound familiar?

By How About A Pound Of Truth, Daniella?

April 25, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

-Continued

The two may have seen the situation completely differently, tell different stories about the event, and both be telling the truth as they saw it when one man saw a reason to act.

Sergeant Sanick Dela Cruz is an honorable Marine. When the full story of Haditha is known he will be recognized as a heroic Marine. His coolness in taking prisoners that day is just one instance, among many, that belies the media’s tale of Marines on a rampage.

The sergeant will testify to the truth as he saw it. So will the accused. If the cases go to courts-martial, a jury will weigh the evidence and reach a verdict.

I believe that all the accused will be exonerated, if they all get the defense they deserve.

In the meantime, here’s advice for anyone following this case. Be glad that justice prevailed for Sergeant Dela Cruz, and believe very little of what you read about the Haditha Marines. From the beginning, the media got it wrong and it’s not getting it right yet.

Coward.

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By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

April 25, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

-=-

2004 - Report info - as posted at Tom Harkin’s website

Other GAO reports as to FDA interference by Bush politics:

By Pragmatic Man

April 25, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

Very simple Paul. The Democrats, or “leftists” as you say are in the penthouse now. The “rightest” are experiencing a rather rapid fall at the present time. It will cycle back around and at that time the “leftist” will be fighting the same retrograde action regardless of the truth.

By Paul

April 25, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

All Right, Pragmatic Man, keyboard actuator input error rendered “Particle” as “Partical.” It was a song title so most probably wouldn’t notice.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

In this story, that Democrats have knocking each other over to get to a microphone to denounce, can anybody find a quote that meets the charge made by the headline?

Hat tip: The Grapevine

By Daniel

April 25, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

The victims can’t testify. George W. Bush killed them. Greedy politicians killed them. Just like they killed Pat Tillman. Someone pulled those triggers. Someone put a gun to the back of that childs head and pulled the trigger. Own it. It’s your war.

By Paul

April 25, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

Pragmatic Man 6:35

Aha! Too bad Diogenes left a long time ago. He could’ve taken a vacation without a guilt trip.

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this

Pragmatic Man,

Did you evolve from Piltdown Man?

Daniella,

“Greedy politicians” killed Tillman? May I remind you that Tillman was killed in Afghanistan, not Iraq.

Do you recall why we went there (and remain there) or is that too far in the past for you addled brain to compute?

By Daniel

April 25, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

The Iraq War is immoral and unethical. It was built on lies and deceit. The president and vice president have betrayed America. Nothing can change that. The sooner we are out of Iraq, the better.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

W to the T to the F is up with this freaking server???

Daniel,

The Haditha Marines are looking more and more like they were doing exactly what they should have been when battling these throat cutting savages. They can’t help it if the thug terrorists learned from idiots like you and your moonbat friends to use women and children as human shields.

By Paul

April 25, 2007 7:00 PM | Link to this

Daniel 6:51

It’s getting late, so this will have to wait until later. Has anything good come out of this war? I’m thinking along the lines of the attempt to introduce democracy (as an alternative) when an authoritian regime in the Middle East ceases; the implications for other authoritian regimes in the region; new insights on the compatibility of democracy, equal rights and individualism with Islam; implications for future Western (not solely US) policy; - but it’s getting late.

Bye -

By Right-wing nut job in full glory

April 25, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

You maybe a woman but it takes HUGE BALLS to say:

“Pat Tillman’s brother is not living up to his brother’s dedication. He has lost it with grief. His actions are not anything that would make his brother proud.”

I mean it takes bigger balls than I can even imagine, but it takes backbone to defend those words like I have all day. It also takes BIG BALLS to say that Luckovich ought to be “investigated” for drawing a picture that references Tillman’s death while at the same time criticizing Tillman’s brother. I suggested earlier that “investigate” might mean summary execution of the cartoonist. You suggested otherwise, much to my disappointment, but you haven’t said what you did mean by “investigate.” Please tell me that you have an “investigative” plan that the Government should execute against Luckovich because I’m just dying to hear about it.

Surely you won’t dodge those words to. Will you? I look forward to the reading about the great cartoonist investigation. Oh boy, I hope its like a McCarthy hearing…I just can’t wait. Throw in some torture, just for me…please?

Right wing nut job in full glory

By Daniel

April 25, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

RW: Our president told us that our troops are dying for those: “Throat cutting savages”. We’re supposed to be bringing them democracy. Is that how it’s done? We’re in their country stealing their oil. They don’t like that.

By Daniel

April 25, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

Turkey is already a democracy in the region. No. I agree with the Pope. “Nothing good can come from Iraq”.

By LuckoDull

April 25, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this

{{{By nut job April 25, 2007 7:02 PM Dusty, You maybe a woman but it takes HUGE BALLS to say: “Pat Tillman’s brother is not living up to his brother’s dedication.}}}

nut hugger: As usual, Dusty is right.

It takes a special kind of man to forego glamour, stardom and riches so that he can serve on the front lines of the Islamic war against America.

I find it seriously hard to believe that he would have wanted anyone grandstanding on his behalf against the country that he laid his life down for.

These are things that you liberals can’t even begin to understand, you couldn’t begin to fathom the depths of honor and sacrifice we are dealing with here.

I am greatly humbled to have served the same nation as Pat Tilman did, it makes me weak to think of what we owe him, of what he gave for us.

To drag his corpse around for political gain is just about as low as someone could possibly get, and that’s what you liberals are doing in a nutshell.

You are taking advantage of the family’s grief, of their loss, of their pain.

You are sick in the head, disgusting cowards.

And that’s no joke.

And may God Bless your soul, Pat.

Rest In Peace, if they ever let you.

By Scooter

April 25, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this

Before dinner I had a minute to read and got half way past my last comment. I will type a summary of my thoughts. Also, I apologize this is so late, but I will be more than happy to type about it when I have time.

RW (The Original), yes, you caught my sentiments. To leave Saddam to continue on his course would have been a train wreck waiting to happen. It would have likely created a situation that required action and cost a heck of a lot more lives than have died in Operation Iraqi Freedom. I always think of Germany’s treaty violations, the League of Nations and the Treaty of Versailles, I’ll bet some people wish we had not let that little thing escalate.

Kinja, sorry, but I don’t know what you meant by Blix’s past statement. However, I too think the IRAQI PEOPLE were crippled, but I think Saddam was Iraq and his corrupting of the O.F.F. Program showed the world he wasn’t hurting too bad. All of the Reports I took the time to read, said Saddam was focused on retaining the mental brainpower to reconstitute his development programs. In combination, Saddam spent his - Shia crippling – Blood money on securing power and mastering dual-use technology.

Blackadder, you mentioned something about bringing freedom to Iraq at the cost of the electricity, water, etc… My understanding is Saddam gave little attention to infrastructure maintenance in Sunni areas and totally neglected many Shia areas.

Years of a neglected infrastructure, violence, and sabotage created a shortage of potable water in Iraq - a country of some 30 million citizens. But, since the time of sovereignty in 2004, the Iraq Reconstruction Program has effected improvements that bring 120 million gallons of treated water daily to an estimated 2.4 million Iraqi citizens.

By Scooter

April 25, 2007 7:24 PM | Link to this

Before dinner I had a minute to read and got half way past my last comment. I will type a summary of my thoughts. Also, I apologize this is so late, but I will be more than happy to type about it when I have time.

RW (The Original), yes, you caught my sentiments. To leave Saddam to continue on his course would have been a train wreck waiting to happen. It would have likely created a situation that required action and cost a heck of a lot more lives than have died in Operation Iraqi Freedom. I always think of Germany’s treaty violations, the League of Nations and the Treaty of Versailles, I’ll bet some people wish we had not let that little thing escalate.

Kinja, sorry, but I don’t know what you meant by Blix’s past statement. However, I too think the IRAQI PEOPLE were crippled, but I think Saddam was Iraq and his corrupting of the O.F.F. Program showed the world he wasn’t hurting too bad. All of the Reports I took the time to read, said Saddam was focused on retaining the mental brainpower to reconstitute his development programs. In combination, Saddam spent his - Shia crippling – Blood money on securing power and mastering dual-use technology.

Blackadder, you mentioned something about bringing freedom to Iraq at the cost of the electricity, water, etc… My understanding is Saddam gave little attention to infrastructure maintenance in Sunni areas and totally neglected many Shia areas.

Years of a neglected infrastructure, violence, and sabotage created a shortage of potable water in Iraq - a country of some 30 million citizens. But, since the time of sovereignty in 2004, the Iraq Reconstruction Program has effected improvements that bring 120 million gallons of treated water daily to an estimated 2.4 million Iraqi citizens.

By RW-(the original)

April 25, 2007 7:26 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

You low life freaking imbecile. It was the people you glorify by calling them insurgents that they were fighting in Haditha. You know, the Al Qaeda wing of the Democrat Party. F’k you! I’m sick and tired of you slandering our military and lying through your tooth about their undertaking just for your punka-ss political party.

By Buy Danish

April 25, 2007 8:21 PM | Link to this

Pseudo Right Wing Blow Job,

Do you understand what satire is, you freaking loser?

LuckoDull,

Thanks for your poignant 7:16.

RW,

Daniel could be lying through his tooth for the Democrats or he could be blogging for C.A.I.R. and the Flying Imans Party.

By Doug Nelson

April 26, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

Lie to consumers - it’s business. Lie to voters - it’s politics

Lie to soldiers - Nah. Don’t lie to soldiers