Mike Luckovich

By LuckoDull

April 19, 2007 8:02 AM | Link to this

I sure would like to know WTF the AJC is implying here:

{{{The sister of the gunman responsible for the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history works for a contractor for a State Department office that oversees billions of dollars in American aid for Iraq. Cho Sun-Kyung is employed by the Iraq Reconstruction Management Office, according to U.S. officials and a State Department staff directory that says she works from an annex near the department’s headquarters in Washington.}}}

Somehow I can imagine that this woman’s life is pretty much already ruined, I doubt that she view this tragedy as some political opportunity like you pig sh-it eating liberals have, and now you sick mofo’s are going to stalk her?

You are the lowest of the low, the same scumbags that justifying the murder of unborn children by calling it a “right to privacy,” while you go digging into people’s personal lives with impunity.

GFY, sh-it eaters.

(Honestly, liberals are the rudest, most crass, disrespectful gluttens that have ever lived, how can you coopt a tragedy like this and slant it through the prism of your ignorant political party? WTF?)

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{{{{And have you read the editorials from around the world? It’s all America’s fault, same as always. But do you ever read an editorial blaming Saudi Arabia for the Islamofascist suicide bombers who hail from there? No.}}}}

Cowards.

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Clever enough to get some lib propaganda into the Vent:

{{{Just before midnight Saturday, my boyfriend unexpectedly proposed. We told his parents at dinner Sunday and sure did wish we could have bought a celebratory bottle of champagne.}}}

But too stupid to buy their Sunday liquor on Saturday.

Duh.

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By TW

April 19, 2007 8:02 AM | Link to this

Ah, yes – Republican morality…doesn’t cost a dime - just the energy it takes to extend that judgmental finger…guess it’s good to give the middle one a rest now and then…

By LuckoDull

April 19, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

Mark Steyn:

{{{We do our children a disservice to raise them to entrust all to officialdom’s security blanket. Geraldo-like “protection” is a delusion: when something goes awry — whether on a September morning flight out of Logan or on a peaceful college campus — the state won’t be there to protect you. You’ll be the fellow on the scene who has to make the decision.-National Review}}}

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Consider what might have been the future of just one promising student-a senior and RA, or resident adviser, in a dorm. Ryan Clark was studying biology and English-it’s about time those disciplines met each other-and he hoped to pursue a career in the neurosciences. Apparently he was rushing over to investigate when he encountered the gunman. The heart sinks to think of what has been lost. Then multiply by 33.

The best commentary I’ve heard so far, except for the number 33, it should be 32. The gunman got one person who deserved it, himself.

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{{{In conclusion, we’d like to highlight Justice Thomas’ one-paragraph concurring opinion, which we hope eventually will be the final word on the subject. “I write separately to reiterate my view that the Court’s abortion jurisprudence… has no basis in the Constitution.” Justice Scalia concurred.}}}

God Bless those that guard our most innocent and helpless from the heathens that murder them for their own selfish benefit.

We have so much more work to do.

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By candide

April 19, 2007 8:05 AM | Link to this

What did you expect with the Italian Catholic mafia takeover of the Court.

Judge Alito, do you believe in God. Bang, bang, get those bastards, yes I believe in God.

Judge Scalia, do you renounce Satan and all his works. Bang, bang, whack that bastard! yes I renounce Satan and all his works.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this

Candide,

You are one sick, scary mofo.

By Goldie

April 19, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this

This administration and its Supremes are one scary bunch— they are intent on prying into our homes and med. records in order to wag their judgmental fingers… bunch of totalitarian pigs! For shame, shame, shame!

By Goldie

April 19, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this

Looks like ole Cho was consumed by his religious fury, and he, too, decided to pass judgement on others:

BLACKSBURG, Va. — In Cho Seung-Hui’s twisted and tortured mind, the Columbine killers were martyrs on a par with Jesus Christ, and the world had forced him to join their ranks.

By ron

April 19, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this

Luckovich,See what you can accomplish when you use your head for something besides a hat rack? The woman is obviously a Democrat because God has decreed that all Republican births will be warm,fuzzy events and He grants them immunity from complications.They get this immunity from having their young women stand beside their grinning daddys and publicly proclaim that they will remain virgins until just before the moment of conception,and that they will become born again virgins again if necessary.I’ve got two cents to bet that you didn’t know this.

By candide

April 19, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

No more Catholics on the Court! No more mafiosi!

By KZ Guy

April 19, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this

Dull why don’t you go get 1) a life; 2) a real job. You sound like some of the writings from the VT killer. If you have any friends/family they must be worried about your rantings. You need some help. Give it a break.

By candide

April 19, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this

Send those Italian judges on the Supreme Court back to Palermo with a boatload of illegals.

By regulator

April 19, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

Institutionalize Andi now! Buy Danish says Candide is sick and says nothing about Andi, she is the one who is sick!

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

This sounds to me that he was well-versed in leftist class envy and resentment dogma:

{{{“Your Mercedes wasn’t enough, you brats,” he says, apparently reading from a manifesto. “Your golden necklaces weren’t enough, you snobs. Your trust funds wasn’t enough. Your vodka and cognac wasn’t enough. All your debaucheries weren’t enough. Those weren’t enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. You had everything.}}}

By NakedEmperor

April 19, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this

Our coke-snorting/alcoholic President helps decide if someone gets executed by the state, or sent to their deaths in Iraq in what I call the REAL-full-term abortion…..and those that cannot think for themselves think that its OK.

Every sperm is not sacred. If you want to control procreation, BUY A DOG!

By gadem

April 19, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this

It is becoming more and more apparent that Andy has untreated mental issues. For some unknown reasons he goes off on these rants that noone understands but him…

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this

Regulator,

Do you know what the words, “bang, bang, wack that bastard” implies or is the fact that that phrase contains more than 3 words beyond your limited intellectual capacity?

By Scooter

April 19, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

I will begin by saying I am pro-choice because I am pro-individual liberty. However, I do not like the current law governing abortion. Because, it gives the man no say in protecting the deposit of his 13 genes. It takes two to tango, but only one to cut the rug and that ain’t right, IMHO.

Does ending what is a rather barbaric procedure, performed late in pregnancy, really constitute the courts deciding for women? Are there no other procedures that can be used to achieve the same objective? Women can choose intercourse (all of this and ^^^^^^ excludes rape cases) and they can choose to demand the use of contraceptives, or personally use them. In addition to this they can choose a myriad of options for 2/3 (assuming typical gestation period) of the pregnancy.

Is this an example of those politics of fear similar to when conservatives try to say terrorists want to kill us and whacking moles has shown no sign of effectiveness.

I couldn’t believe people were trying to assign a political classification to Cho yesterday and am further amazed the libs come in first thing trying to distract from all of Cho’s ranting against the evil “rich”. Fact is Cho was an individual and his actions shouldn’t be projected onto other groups.

I did however find it interesting that he railed against the rich and chose to major in English (?). That is a hard and useful major that will likely result in future mediocrity. More interesting was the fact he chose to kill people in the engineering school.

By Goldie

April 19, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

Someone needs to get Andy-Dull to a mental hospital for making terroristic threats here on the blog…

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Pop quiz: Who said “”“bang bang, whack that bastard”“” on the blog?

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 8:52 AM | Link to this

These are the questions that I want answered about the Virginia Tech massacre:

What are the rules at Universities regarding mentally ill students? Under what circumstances can students be sent packing? Is proper consideration given to the welfare of other students who have to room with mentally ill students? Why was he not deemed a harm not only to himself, but to others? What information is shared with their parents, or are the mental health issues kept confidential? We already know that because of ludicrous PC rules, parents cannot even see their children’s grades unless the student volunteers them.

I’ve also been wondering how this illiterate could have been majoring in English. Here’s a clue:

One teacher even suggested today he was given A grades because he was so “intimidating and staff wanted to keep him happy”.

By Goldie

April 19, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this

Blog quiz: Who posted the following just 2 days ago?

{{“Goldilocks: I like to keep fully loaded 30 round clips just in case 30 of you libs show up uninvited in my backyard.

Know what I mean?”}}

Yes, I know what he means — do YOU???

By George

April 19, 2007 8:56 AM | Link to this

FBI searches Republican lawmaker’s home

The FBI searched the Virginia home of Rep. John Doolittle (R-Calif.) last Friday in its investigation into ties between the congressman and his wife, Julie, and disgraced former lobbyist Jack Abramoff, according to law enforcement and other Congressional and K Street sources.

And the beat goes on ……

By Dubya

April 19, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

Beginning of quite a day. Alcoholic Bushie will address a grade school in Dayton, OH on the subject of Iraq. Now that’s cerebral. Down a tad from the usual VFW, etc. New things already blowing up in Baghdad. More killing. Surge on! The military lowers the requirement standards each month. Just wait a few months until the American All-Felonious Divisions start landing on Iraq shores. They’ll teach you Eye Rockies some lessons. These days makes one proud to be a Murcun. God bless Murcuh!

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

Scooter,

I think it is somewhat reasonable to question what his politics were because of the undeniable fact that vast numbers of our children are being brainwashed by professors into the politics of rage against success and American values, and encouraged to dwell in envy and resentment while they are discouraged from taking personal responsibility for their lives and actions.

Many of our institutions of higher learning are encouraging deranged, illogical thinking that is removed from reality and fostering infantile behavior as every imagined slight is given official grievance status.

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

That sounds like someone prepared to defend his family from an attack. It’s not like the threats haven’t already been made.

””“Bang bang, whack that bastard”“” is an unprovoked terroristic threat and if you had half a brain you would see that threats from liberals like that make Andy’s statement reasonable and pragmatic.

By gadem

April 19, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish, I think on a whole the entire social services system is broken. No one addresses it or knows how to fix it. It is not a Republican/Democrat issue, it is a humanity issue. Mental health issues has no political affiliation…treatment of mental health disorders have been rising, but at the same time funding for those programs have been cut.

By N-GA

April 19, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

Question of the day:

Where are 30 round clips legal in the USA?

Why do some think that allowing college students to carry concealed weapons on campus may have stopped Cho rather than increasing the likelihood of more campus murders?

If we allow college students to carry concealed weapons on campus, do we then allow high school students to carry them also? Then elementary school kids….

Why would bi-Danish refer to Cho as illiterate? Does she even know what the word means? I’ll help her: Illiterate: 1. unable to read or write 2. having very little or no education Is this what is meant by “pot to kettle”?

Why does Andy want to impose his moral standards on everyone else? Does he want everyone to be amoral like he is?

By Seth

April 19, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this

LuckoSlob: Well now you’re about the most ignorant son of a slut on this blog. You even edge out BD and that ain’t easy. Look at your language. The best a neocon can do - while hiding of course. You know absolutely nothing about nothing. Why don’t you steal a life? Instead of further filthying this already largely dirt blog? Coward of coward. Soo typical of you Repunk runts.

By Paul

April 19, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish

I haven’t been following the 24/7 coverage - switched to my standard classical station at 10 yesterday. Today’s tv lead was an interview with a girlfriend of a victim. No thanks. Too much saturation.

But my understanding is it while “school policy” to not contact parents without school permission (which I wrote yesterday) the rest of the story is that policy is based upon Virginia law. All the privacy rights for adults.

Possibly there should be exceptions for categories such as students - chronological (age) adults yet supported by parents. Then you get into the 28 year old who just got out of the military and is in college, supporting himself. Laws are generally broad - this is what happens.

But the flip side is, regarding all the “warnings” etc. - where does one draw the line in government intervention because someone is seen as “weird?” Threatening others? Maybe. If Stephen King were a student today I wonder what his English Composition teacher would do. Not being flippant, but the devil’s in the details.

On another favorite topic, continuation of yesterday, check Hillary’s latest numbers according to Gallup. Think Democrats will nominate a person with a 52 percent unfavorable rating?

Link: Hillary positives slide, unfavorables rise

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish (and gadem since you brought up mental health,

As I understand it he was asked by a judge if he would voluntarily commit himself to a mental health facility. Since he refused he was only asked to get outpatient treatment and there would be no follow up with the court. Had he committed himself he wouldn’t have later been able to purchase a gun, but there is no indication that he knew this.

Every single part of that sounds completely backward from a common sense approach.

By Paul

April 19, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

gadem 9:13

I believe years back, under the first Reagan Administration, many resident facilities for mentally ill were shut and the people essentially released to the streets. The program’s never been rebuilt (I’ll agree with your view not a Democratic/Republican issue - both parties have had administrations that could have reversed that since Reagan).

By Walt

April 19, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

Abortion is the one issue where you -know- that you are not going to change anyone’s mind. Opinions are pretty much hardwired into people.

So, I will note that this is April 19, the 232nd anniversary of the battles of Lexington and Concord.

And I’ll note that it is too bad that Rep. Kucinich won’t be filing his impeachment articles on Cheney today.

They should be filed by next week, although the MSM hasn’t said much about it.

Walt

By Paul

April 19, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish

Redo my 9:16 of “while “school policy” to not contact parents without school permission”

to

while “school policy” to not contact parents without STUDENT permission”

Most here would understand the intent regardless of misstype - don’t need any detours from others, thank you -

By Scooter

April 19, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish, I agree class warfare and political correctness is preached at our Universities, but Cho was still an individual.

By Cerebral Stenographer

April 19, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

God: Hey Andy, what’s happening?

Andy: Not much, dude. Just cleaning my streetsweeper.

God: Andy, why do you keep swearing and calling people names?

Andy: Because you told me that they are all evil pinkos and that they eat pig sh-it.

God: Andy, I never said that.

Andy: Yes, you did…when I was eating my spaghetti-o’s.

God: No, Andy. That was the other voice you listen to. The same voice that tells you that you must slay the evil liberal perverts.

Andy: Oh no, God. That was YOU who whispered that in my ear!

God: Andy, you must believe me. I would never tell you to kill. I want you to remember “Thou shalt not kill”!

Andy: GFY

By Ralph

April 19, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

Don’t know why the talking heads are having so much difficulty understanding Cho’s depth of frustration, anger, hatred. They’re all over. I’ve met hundreds of them who somehow manage to barely control themselves. Hell, half the neocons on this blog are at this moment worse than Cho would ever have been, had he not failed the control factor. Talk about failure, hatred, not fitting into society, etc. Just read this blog.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

Cho was a mentally ill wingnut who wanted to die like Jesus and blamed everybody else for his disaster.

Sound familiar?

Watch the wingnuts?

I was talking to doctor about this very rare procedure and he was against the procedure but he thought judges should not play doctor. This is the only way to attack Roe vs Wade legally. With today’s modern medicine, there has to be a better way to perform this procedure and that would create a loophole in this decision.

Wingnuts who are pro war, pro death penalty and pro life are hypocrites.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

I will also lament the wall to wall coverage that the networks are giving to the Cho video. That is what he wanted very much.

I know it is impossible, but it would have been nice if all the networks had said, “the perp left a video, but we are not showing it.”

I’d wonder if he studied the noteriety of the Columbine shooters (or others of that ilk) and thought - “at least I will be that famous.”

Because some other sick SOB is going to want -that- sort of copy cat attention.

Walt

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2007 9:31 AM | Link to this

Here’s some information for the extended clip hysterics around here

By Jesus

April 19, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Someone who has done his research

April 19, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

Every medical professional with whom I have spoken, including the well-known French scientist who invented fluid used for in-vetro fertilization, Menazeaux, and his partner in Augusta, Dr. Edouard Servy, that what is commonly called partial birth abortion is NEVER a necessary medical procedure and the way it is performed is murder because it is almost always a viable fetus. Also, from a legal point of view, this decision is not in conflict with the original decison in Roe v. Wade. In that decision, the Court ruled that abortions could be regulated, especially after the first trimester. You can read the decision as I did.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Today, we will watch the political activist who heads the Dept. of Justice commit political suicide.

I think w should make Fitz AG and start a special branch to prosecute all the politicians in the lobbyist’s cookie jar.

Shut down KStreet and stop this bribery system.

Then onto the crooked corporate system.

We will need more federal prisons of course but we are a nation of laws.

Enforce the freaking laws and stop working around them.

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2007 9:45 AM | Link to this

getalife,

If you want to virtually shut down K Street enact the Fair Tax.

By Eric

April 19, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

I don’t believe, in my entire life, have I ever seen someone who is so completely rattled, so completely obsessed as LuckoDull.

Lucovich is so completely under your skin and in your brain that it makes the rest of us, liberal or conservative… just laugh at you.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

RW, Gadem, Paul,

If someone is a threat to themselves it is clearly insane (pun intended) to rely on their discretion as to whether or not they should be committed - at least temporarily where they can be monitored 24/7.

Let’s not forget that he was also linked to a fire in his dorm room. How was that investigated? What conclusions were reached?

There is something terribly wrong with a society that sends people to “sensitivity training” and rehab for “offensive speech”, yet takes no meaningful steps when someone displays obvious signs of mental illness.

There does seem to be a wall of separation that precludes the sharing of information between agencies, institutions and parents.

I wonder if those who examined his mental health had access to his writings. I understand the Stephen King analogy, but his writing is thoughtful, ordered, and sane - with a recognition of good and evil while Cho’s was chaotic, deranged and souless.

Scooter,

Yes Cho was an individual, but so is every IslamoFascist. (I’m not saying he was an IslamoFascist, I’m just making an analogy to group mental disorder.) What they are taught from their earliest years creates a mass derangement syndrome.

By Goldie

April 19, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this

I find it interesting that the Neo-Con trolls here will come to Dull’s defense, day after day. Somehow Dull is able to tell on sight who the “libs” are that may show up in his backyard, and therefore he is entitled to use his “30 rounds”???

“Yes, Your Honor— I knew he was a “lib” and therefore I had to shoot him!”

Sad bunch of sick cowards, you trolls. Taking your cues from your “deferment-preferred” chickenhawks in the Repugnant Party?

By N-GA

April 19, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

Researcher:

I believe you meant Dr. Yves J. R. Menezo

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

He would be reasonably sure they were libs because conservatives respect the property of others. That being said I don’t think he would be asking home invaders political questions before taking action. I know I wouldn’t.

The reason you guys focus so much attention on Andy’s colorful language is that it keeps you from having to debate the extremely valid points he makes when he links to articles that share his view. Skip the language and debate the issue for a change if you think you’ve got the brain power for it.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

Good luck finding when the procedure was actually done.

The theory is to save the mothers life but the judges decided against the procedure.

By JP

April 19, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this

Danish, I’m no communist but “This sounds to me that he was well-versed in leftist class envy and resentment dogma:” sounds like you’re totally ignorant that people outside the U.S. see us as an inherently materialistic (and therefore vacuous) culture. Is that the part of being an American conservatives wish to “conserve”?

N-Ga, I think we need to hand out handguns at birth. That’ll make sure we can all defend ourselves. (/sarcasm)

RW-The FareTax is a sham, and it figures that the reddest state in the Union, the one that refuses to recognize the collapse of the Bush administration, is the one most strongly behind it. I refuse to participate in the group ignorance, thank you very much. No FareTax for me. I’m ok with the idea of replacing the IRS—but the FairTax is the wrong replacement.

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

getalife,

There were doctors that had started defining “life of the mother” as her being depressed. That’s not a very good reason to puncture a child’s skull and suction out his or her brains. Although it does seem there a few of you that seem to have survived the procedure.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

Cho was spewing about Jesus and Moses not Islam.

He was one of yours BD.

Deal with it.

By Andy is a moron

April 19, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

Andy sez: You are the lowest of the low, the same scumbags that justifying the murder of unborn children by calling it a “right to privacy,” while you go digging into people’s personal lives with impunity.

GFY, sh-it eaters.

Then follows up with: Honestly, liberals are the rudest, most crass, disrespectful gluttens that have ever lived.

Hypocrite much Andy?

By getalife

April 19, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

RW,

I would agree the procedure is bad so did the doctor I talked to.

He could not find in the medical journals where the procedure was actually done.

There is a choice if the baby is killing the mother or if the baby was severly deformed.

He thinks to deliver the baby and not treat it unless it is killing the mother. I asked him if they could terminate the baby if it was killing the mother with a different procedure like lethal injection but that would kill the mother too.

Both could die since the procedure is banned.

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

getalfe,

The law has an exception for that so you really shouldn’t have a problem with that.

JP,

If you can only debunk the Fair Tax by redefining it and lying about it you really don’t have much of an argument. Why don’t you back to Wooten’s playground?

Later all!

By getalife

April 19, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

RW,

If it is never used why change the law?

Was it to feed the wingnut base?

Why did they take the case?

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

The idea that they don’t happen has no basis in reality.

When I lived in Maine, I heard the testimony of a nurse who worked for a doctor who performed these abortions, witnessed and assisted in these horrific procedures, and subsequently quit.

As a witness to the horror, her testimony was moving and graphic. She testified to Congress and I was appalled that my senator at the time, Olympia Snowe, completely disregarded her testimony and bent to the demands of groups like NARAL.

Many of the women who had these late term procedures were young women who were forcibly brought in by parents or boyfriends.

The effect was unspeakably devastating to their lives.

Roe v. Wade was never meant to go past the first trimester and was not meant to include viable fetuses.

It is shocking how it progressed to the point that it did and that people like Goldie (who loves to call the rest of us “haters”) believes that the action by the Supreme Court makes them “totalitarian pigs”.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this

Post it BD with a link.

You want me to take your word?

Get real.

Geez.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

I missed an earlier post of yours. What Cho was “spewing” had nothing to do with Christianity. We know that Cho was a twisted SOB - you cannot argue that Christ’s teaching encouraged him to slaughter students and faculty, because there is nothing in his teaching that matches Cho’s deranged rant.

In contrast, there is clear evidence of class envy and resentment as core curriculum material taught in classrooms all over America - and the world.

Cho called the Columbine killers “martyrs” and it is important to note that those killers wore tee shirts that said “natural selection” when they slaughtered their fellow students - from the Darwinist theories that Hitler also used to justify his mass murder. If I have to guess, I would be inclined to believe that Cho was probably a loyal Darwinist too.

BTW, Since you are so dismissive of Christianity, I am also compelled to ask you who you are “praying to” when you maliciously claim to pray for me or others that you merely disagree with.

A Louisiana voodoo doll, perhaps?

By Cho Seung-Hui

April 19, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

getalife,

You tried to stop me. You couldn’t. Your endless rants. Your mindless posts. You hate me. You love Walt. Chris Hansen tried to stop you. He couldn’t. You always end your posts with “geez”. Your liberalism is against me. You hate Bush. Your infectious presence on this blog keeps it dirty. You think I’m nothing. I’m something.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Roe v. Wade was never meant to go past the first trimester and was not meant to include viable fetuses.

Getalife,

Are you going to argue that fact too? It’s all right here.

I’ll have to see if I can find that testimony. It was in 1993 or 1994 and I can’t remember the nurses name.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

THE MANAGEMENT:

I am prevailing upon you to please delete the comment made at 10:33 by a very sick person who is using the name of a mass murderer in a twisted, tasteless, and inexcusable attempt at commentary and “humor” that surely violates your the AJC visitor agreement.

By Cho Seung-Hui

April 19, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Why do you hate me? You hate getalife. You love RW. Your post are mindless. You are too. You cannot hurt me. Stop trying. Find out why your husband is cheating on you. I saw him. He was with a girl 12 years old. Fry the bigger fish in your life.

By Commodus

April 19, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

AM I NOT MERCIFUL??!!!!!

By Commodus

April 19, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

They conspired, and conspired, and conspired.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Cho meet McLiar:

McCain Sings: “Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran” At Campaign Stop.

Your kind of guy huh?

By Someone who has done his research

April 19, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

getalife and all others who are arguing for this procedure - as per the experts I cited earlier, this procedure is NEVER medically indicated because other procedures which guard both the life of the mother and the child are available at such a late stage of pregnancy. A Caesarian section is the preferred option when such complications are presented. Inducing labor, as is done in this procedure, has its own dangers and you have a full delivery. They both told me that this could not possibly “safe-guard” the life of the mother.

By Shawny

April 19, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Almost never agree with Jay Bookman, but here is one instance where I do, here. Tougher gun laws would have made no impact. This was planned for some time. Had there even been total and complete bans on handguns of all types, he still have would have gotten what he needed. Game over…move on.

Regarding today’s toon, in lockstep with Roe fans and Ginsburg, it is just typical Lucko the lefty. The only thing I agree with from his toon is that pols and courts insert themselves into daily lives with courts often legislating, which isn’t their jobs. Roe was a classic example of bench legislation, and poor at that. The ONE thing the libs do have on today’s topic is an exclusion for the life of the mother. I give you that, and agree. Any 2nd trimester baby won’t live if the mother dies. However, the heinous murder of a 2nd term baby for reasons other than the sake of the mother’s life is the worst of crimes. What happened in trimester 1, or as soon as the prego test showed a plus sign?

By Cho Seung Hui

April 19, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

We both made comment at 10:33. Which one do you want removed? You want yours removed. You are sick. Your games are sick. You are lonely. Lonely old woman.

getalife,

You love me. You don’t love Walt. Bomb South Korea. Stop.

By @@

April 19, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

I remain thrilled with the SCOTUS ruling on partial birth abortions. Not until I visited this site, was I made aware of the method, which I find appalling. At the onset, it was referred to as “late term abortion”. The wording gave no indications as to the methods. It was promoted as an extension on abortion.

When I brought the ruling to the attention of some friends, they had no idea as to the methods. They, too, were appalled.

Are these women anesthetized? Are they awake and participating in the labor process? Do they take a pause while the baby is murdered? Is there anything more disgusting and vile than that?

I, for one, am tired of the “tricky methods” used by the leftists enabling them to push the envelope.

In relation to Cho and senseless violence.

HOW, in THIS world can we expect our youth to respect HUMAN LIFE when our leftist friends are so eager to DISPOSE OF IT?

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Sicko @ 10:53,

I trust that even the AJC can figure out who the deranged punk is 10:33. They are in the news business after all, and I’m sure they’ve heard of “copy cat” criminals and mentally ill creeps.

By bill

April 19, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Management I am prevailing upon you to stop the posts of B. Danish, he,she or it is an idiot,twisted, tasteless and excusable.

By Cho Seung-Hui

April 19, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

AJC Management:

Please stop Buy Danish from posting. She is dreadful. She hates me. She’s lonely. Her husband is a womanizer.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

You know, it really is idiotic of you to try to paint me as a liar.

Here you go. The testimony of nurse Brenda Pratt Shafer to Congress.

I was wrong about the date - it was 1995.

By BuyDanish'sJohn

April 19, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish baby, you know what day it is don’t you my sweet. I’m on my way to the ATM to acquire funds for your special service. And today please take your teeth out to give me maximum bang for my bucks. See you shortly.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

@@,

Be sure to read my post to Getalife which is the Congressional testimony of a “pro-choice” nurse who witnessed these horrific procedures.

Note the shameful and unsubstantiated attempts to paint her as a liar.

By I'm Buy Danish's John

April 19, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Hey man! You at 11:08. I saw her first! IF she’s doing any tricking today its going to be with me!

Buy Danish, I’ll pay you twice what ever he was going to pay!

By @@

April 19, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

To all of the “insecure” whining leftists on this blog.

The conservatives may use some strong language, but it is always directed at the issues, never the individual.

RW nailed it with the post where he said:

{{{The reason you guys focus so much attention on Andy’s colorful language is that it keeps you from having to debate the extremely valid points he makes when he links to articles that share his view. Skip the language and debate the issue for a change if you think you’ve got the brain power for it.}}}

THAT ^^^ is your problem with Andy.

Every morning when I visit here, Andy is the target of your hate (despair). Often times it comes even before his arrival.

By Blackadder

April 19, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Gonzales just started speaking. Two Republicans did introductions. One was Specter, who didn’t defend Gonzales. The other was Sessions, who is a far-right Bush-loving nutjob. Sessions, who always defends the administration, had nothing good to say about Gonzales. I was shocked. He said that Gonzales should have said “no” when he saw the plan to fire the US attorneys. When Jeff Sessions refuses to defend a Bush official, that official is in serious trouble.

Watch the hearing live on C-Span 3 here.

Gonzales just got snippy with Specter, and Specter ripped his head off. Gonzales is clearly approaching the hearing with classic Bush administration attitude - concede nothing as arrogantly as possible. That is not going to serve him well.

Bye Bye Alberto. He is toast.

By BuyDanish'sJohn

April 19, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

By I’m Buy Danish’s John

April 19, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Hey man! You at 11:08. I saw her first! IF she’s doing any tricking today its going to be with me!

Buy Danish, I’ll pay you twice what ever he was going to pay!

If you can beat my ten spot, go for it!! But I think she can easily take care of us both.

By Cho Seung-Hui

April 19, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

@@,

You sound like Buy Danish. You look like Buy Danish. You act like Buy Danish. You smell like Buy Danish. You tried to stop me. You couldn’t. You hate me. I hate you. You love RW. You love Dusty. Your posts are brainless. You need a name.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Gosh, I wonder where Getalife got the idea that these partial birth abortion procedures never happen?

This fiction goes back to at least 1993:

…But then, from the beginning, this issue has brought out the worst in the pro-abortion lobby.///They began by claiming that no such procedure existed. When this fiction was punctured, NARAL and Planned Parenthood substituted the argument that the procedure was extremely rare, performed only a couple of hundred times a year, and then only in cases where the life of the mother was at stake. When this claim was discredited by investigative reporting showing that the true figure was closer to several thousand than a couple of hundred, the advocates attacked again, this time claiming that the baby died a painless death before the procedure even got started due to the anesthesia administered to the mother.///Advocates next advanced the fiction that partial birth abortion, which they had renamed the “intact dilation and extraction,” was performed only on severely disabled fetuses or in medical emergencies involving the mother.

By @@

April 19, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Idiot John at 11:00, 11:04, 11:08, 11:11, 11:15.

Why am I not surprised that YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR SEX?

You’re right, Buy Danish can easily take care of YOU in a debate on the issues, but you’re too afraid of her to try.

What an idiot you are.

By Truthsayer

April 19, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

Blackadder - I do not doubt your interpretation of today’s events. However, you do not understand what they are angry about - it is form over substance. They are not angry because anything illegal was done, because nothing illegal was done. They are angry with the clumsy way in which it was handled. You folks also like to live dangerously. The Clintons made grandstanding and obfuscation before Congress and the publics into high art forms. I cannot (well I can) wait for the next Mafia-Democrat regime to take over in 20 years and watch the corruption train move into high gear once more as under Billery.

By Cho Seung-Hui

April 19, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Stop turning tricks on this blog. You’re too old. You’re too stupid. You sound like @@. You look like @@. You smell like @@. You act like @@. You hate Hillary. You love Bush. Bush won’t pay you for sex.

By Paul

April 19, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

BlackAdder

Krauthammer (conservative) had a great column at the outset saying Gonzales deserved to be fired. Not for firing the attorneys, but because he took a nonissue and through bungled leadership let it come to this.

I read several commentaries saying the approach should have been “these are the attorneys we fired and this is why” rather than “they serve at our pleasure and can be fired at our pleasure” which plays into the arrogant attitude which touches a raw nerve.

While initially I wasn’t sold on “give the reasons” (which gets into bickering with the opposition over whether the reason was good enough, which is opinion) it seems now that would have been a good move.

Seems like Gonzales is toast, though.

By Someone who has done his research

April 19, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

getalife - if this procedure is never done, then why does it bother you that it has been outlawed. As a matter of fact, it is done, about 900 times a year.

By Eleanor

April 19, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Mike, you are a genius. Your cartoon hit the nail on the head. Women are nothing but chattel in this country. I still think that health care decisions are best made by women and their medical practitioners—not politicians and judges. Imagine if women determined which men could have certain prostate treatments? Funny how my uterus is open for public decision-making, yet I am deemed responsible enough to handle other aspects of my body and life.

By Paul

April 19, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish

@@

If I may offer an opinion, both of you have too many good points to offer on too many other issues to have your time wasted with the (ahem) time wasters with whom you’re currently engaged.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

Link it research, I could not find it and the doctor could not find a case in the journals.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Paul,

You are right, but there are people who read these blogs but don’t contribute and I like to err on the side of getting the truth out whenever possible.

Poor, pitiful Eleanor,

Believe me, no one is interested in discussing your uterus “for public decision-making.”

I am terribly sorry that your self-esteem is so low that you think of yourself as “chattel”. Perhaps you should try to surround yourself with people who do not rely on late term abortions to get a feeling of self worth.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

Oh and to answer your question.

Choices are freedom.

w has taken away enough freedoms and trashed the Constitution.

I believe our founding fathers had it right.

What has w done that is right? I will not cheer on taking away American freedoms.

By @@

April 19, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

In light of the VTech violence, this article makes me wonder about the motives and complexities involved in civil liberties issues.

One person’s rights in conflict with another person’s protections.

London (CNSNews.com) - As Britain moves towards running criminal checks on everyone who volunteers with children, a civil liberties group has warned that the step could strangle the nation’s youth groups.

{{{BMFA President David Phipps on Tuesday downplayed the Manifesto Club’s report, saying that while a small minority of members had been critical of the new policies, the vast majority had accepted them without any problem.}}}

Why would the BMFA oppose this protective policy?

I work with kids. I had to undergo a criminal background check. I know the risks of being wrongfully accused. I’m driven by my dedication, and the risk becomes secondary.

It seems as though the background check would work in my favor if my behavior was ever called into question by a parent.

The cost of a “personal liability policy” is minimal.

Obviously, the BMFA group is trying to score political points, and their false claims have nothing to do with children.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

Can’t link a case BD so you resort to your usual strawwoman on Eleanor.

Must suk to be you, wallowing in your own hatred.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

What mad permutations is your brain taking now? Is it that the testimony before Congress never happened? That Nurse Shafer perjured herself?

I can link to some other Congressional testimony too, from nurses who ironically worked at “Christ Hospital” in Illinois, but it is may be be too graphic and heartbreaking for public consumption, so I am making an “editorial” decision not to include it.

However, since you are as yet unmoved by what I have presented, and since you seem to think that you are so much better at independent research and truth-finding than I am, google “Jill Stanek+nurse+testimony”.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

You do realize that medical procedures are private and therefore it is not easy to meet your standards of proof, do you not?

You’ll also have to explain why a nurse would invent a story describing a procedure that you claim does not exist in the first place.

What would be the point of outlawing something that doesn’t even exist?

By WTFBBQ

April 19, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

RE: By @@ April 19, 2007 11:12 AM

WTF?!@?! Maybe the leftists on here dont have the balls to take Andy head on, but your assertion that “The conservatives may use some strong language, but it is always directed at the issues, never the individual.” is incorrect!

GFY is never about an issue, its about an individual. The ramblings of Andy are always links to posts that agree with him (no problem with that) followed by a short eruption of foul language which is directed at leftists. This is a personal attack, not an argument on the topic of discussion.

Tis is not to say that lefties don’t use personal attacks - they do. This is not to say that personal attacks shouldn’t happen - well, ok I think they shouldn’t happen because it takes away from the debate, but do what you want..

All I’m saying is that you are wrong about Andy. While he may have valid arguing points and posts to back himself up, he is still a vile, filth spewing lunatic who obviously has too little to do in his life besides vent on this blog. And personally, I’d rather not have to wade through his filth to read everyone elses posts.

-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-==-

As for, who was it, RW?, with the indignation of calling (possible misquote here) “Bang! Bang! Kill him dead!” (but you get the jist and remember what im talking about) as a personal terroristic threat?!? WTF? I may be mistaken, but the original post, while lacking in good grammatical skills, seemed to me to be a QUOTE from SCALIA. It is SCALIA making the quote, therefore it cannot be a terroristic threat by the individual poster. Additionally it wasn’t even directed at anyone, whereas the actual threats by Andy are directed at anyone who has any sympathies for left ideas.

But I blather.. Im going back to work, but I’ll be reading from time to time.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Link the cases or STFU.

Lying liar.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

It’s not easy being me,

Wearing coke bottles so I can see,

Running from spousal infidelity,

Yeah its not easy being me.

Its not easy being me,

with two pair of false teeth,

getting geritol rubs ten times daily,

yeah its not easy being me.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this

@@,

This objection to background checks occurs here too. I was in Maine when this happened and there was a huge cry of outrage at the time:

About half of Maine’s 47,000 school employees have been fingerprinted over the past year, and the state is struggling to update employees’ licenses to work…//When the law first went into effect last winter, many educators said they saw it as an invasion of privacy and threatened not to comply with the tests. Blah Blah Blah

By getalife

April 19, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Who wants to argue with Cho er Andy?

Insane in the membrane.

Geez, cult freaks.

BTW, the top law guy in the hot seat is chocking really bad.

“I do not recall” hundreds of times.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Okay. You tell me where I can find your medical records on-line, and I’ll share them with the AJC readership.

Okey dokey?

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

You think Andy is Cho now? You are clearly in desperate mental straights.

By Dusty

April 19, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

Sensitivity is a rare thing on this blog. Many threatening and objectionable comments are directed at Andy aka Luckodull because he speaks directly and without finesse. Let’s analyze his first comments today:

Andy wonders why the workplace & address and name of agency of Cho’s innocent sister is printed in the newspaper. I wonder too. This is actually endangering a blameless person already suffering from this tragedy.

Next he wonders why America is always blamed for every catastrophe by the world press, even in the USA by liberal media. Don’t you ever wonder about that too?

Then he gives excerpts from The National Review about personal decisions and personal responsibility.

Next he sadly laments the loss of one of the young lives at VT and what benefits will now be lost to society.

He presents his personal view of abortion and love of all life.

At other times he has answered threats and insults to his family by saying that he would protect his property and how he would do it. His property is his HOME where his family lives. Perhaps others are not aware of the law that says you can shoot a threatening invader who comes into your home.

Thus I see what Andy is about, a man who strongly believes in his country and his family. I would not always agree or use his words but I do understand them.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

He is like Cho not Cho idiot.

Read his insanity.

We had a vote.

By Paul

April 19, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish

A number of years back I was at a conference. One of the guest speakers discussed medical records privacy (this was pre-HIPAA - Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act). Most people (professionals, highly educated) thought the proposals would compromise existing privacy rights. Reality was there were at that time virtually no privacy rights for medical records - by law, that is. Poll after poll showed the same misunderstanding among the populace. So all those HIPAA forms I now have to sign don’t bother me in the least.

By @@

April 19, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

WTFBBQ:

Here’s my best advice to you.

PUT YOUR BIG GIRL PANTIES ON, AND GET OVER IT!!!!!!

IN MY LINE OF WORK WE CALL IT “POTTY TRAINING”.

Don’t wet or mess yourself if the feeling is uncomfortable.

Nobody here is going to change your “panties”.

You’ll have to change them yourself.

By Truthsayer

April 19, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

For all of you eco-terrorists and Gorbots out there, and also for the sane ones like @@ and Buy Danish - this little gem is for your education and for a few (on here) vendication!

Worse Than Gasoline?

An atmospheric chemist at Stanford University says pollution from ethanol could end up being more dangerous than pollution from gasoline. The study by Professor Mark Jacobson, detailed in an online environmental science publication, shows a 85-15 mixture of ethanol and gasoline could yield emissions that would be especially harmful for people with asthma and other respiratory problems.

It says ethanol-burning cars could boost levels of toxic ozone gas in urban areas. Jacobson says that could result in 185 more deaths per year across the U.S. — with 125 of those in Los Angeles.

Whiskey anyone?

By WTFBBQ

April 19, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

@@ - about the issues eh? Got popped having an incorrect assertion and you revert to personal attacks? and I usually respect your views and attitude.. tsk.

Of course if its a case of nick-jack no hard feelings…

By getalife

April 19, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

Lying liar,

Check out the reports out of Brazil on pure ethanol.

Geez.

By LuckoDull

April 19, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

{{{By Goldie April 19, 2007 8:54 AM Blog quiz: Who posted the following just 2 days ago? {{“Goldilocks: I like to keep fully loaded 30 round clips just in case 30 of you libs show up uninvited in my backyard. Know what I mean?”}} Yes, I know what he means — do YOU???}}}

Just to make certain there is no confusion over what I said, when you punk as-s mofo liberals get enough courage together to act on your threats against me and my family, threats that you have already made several times, then I will shoot you in your f’ing head and hang your corpse from the trees in the front as a warning to any other lib that wants to screw with my family.

Any questions?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

Truthsayer,

I saw that idiocy yesterday. Did you see this?

Apparently the environmentally friendly Toyota Prius has failed emissions tests in the state of Georgia. 2007 is the first year that drivers of the 2004 Prius are required to get emissions tests and drivers of the cars are finding out they are not passing the tests.//It is ironic that the “green” car is failing emissions tests, but it is not an issue with the car, instead of with the actual testing equipment in Georgia…

Dusty,

Great comments at 12:12.

Paul,

I have to do some research, but I seem to recall that John Ashcroft (?) wanted to get a hold of abortion records to see how many late term abortions were being performed, with full assurances that all the information about the women would be kept completely confidential.

The outrage from the abortion lobby was deafening.

Getlife,

See above comment^^^^.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

I would -never- put 30 rounds in a magazine. That pressure on the magazine might cause a misfeed.

Better to do 28.

Walt

By LuckoDull

April 19, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

{{{By Cerebral Stenographer April 19, 2007 9:27 AM God: Andy, why do you keep swearing and calling people names?}}}

Number 1: You know nothing of God except that your fellow libs hate his guts and you think he smokes dope like you saw on TV.

Number 2: I would much rather have my Creator ask me that^^ then “why did you give partial birth to a baby and then drill a hole in it’s head to kill it.”

So would any other normal, well adjusted human being.

Number 3: What side of the partial birth abortion debate are you pig sh-it eating scumbag liberals on?

Any questions?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

You’re a laugh a minute today. Didn’t you see the reports about how all the sugar-cane farming was ravaging Brazil’s environment?

The environmental and social problems created by extensive sugarcane plantations are well known in Brazil. Burning the leaves to make cutting easier pollutes the air and causes health problems, especially respiratory disorders. Sugarcane cutters are subjected to inhuman working conditions, in return for only temporary work at harvest time.//… Ethanol production, however, has its costs, and is largely associated with heavy concentration of land ownership, deforestation, soil, air and water pollution, and the displacement of small farmers, according to a statement last week by ActionAid, an international NGO.//The sharp rise in ethanol demand in the United States, Japan and Europe, due to rising oil prices and the need to reduce greenhouse gases emitted by burning fossil fuels, are grounds for fearing that Brazil and other tropical countries may be transformed into “gigantic sugarcane fields” with undesirable consequences, like raising arable land prices and stimulating deforestation.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Your right BD.

Lets keep slaughtering for oil.

Geez.

I think a combination of alternatives are the solution.

Not just corn or sugar cane ethanol.

I know change is not in your vocabulary.

Old and set you your ways, huh wingnut?

Also, I think we should learn from Cho and get help for Andy.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

BINGO.

Courts denied Ashcroft’s subpeona of records of women known to have had partial birth abortions.

Judge denies Ashcroft’s request for patient medical records A move by U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft to subpoena the medical records of 40 patients who received so-called partial-birth abortions at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago was halted—at least temporarily—when a Chicago federal judge quashed the information request//…In a 16-page decision, U.S. Chief District Judge Charles Kocoras denied the government’s request to obtain patient medical records from Northwestern, citing the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) and Illinois’ medical privacy law.

Getalife,

You’ll have to seek the answers you require from the judge who rendered this decision.

By Truthsayer

April 19, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - I already knew about the Prius and the mess created by sugarcane farming. The great irony is that a Hummer is actually more environmentally friendly than a Prius because of the damage done during manufacture of the respective vehicle - it takes much more energy to build the dam* things than almost any vehicle on the road.

The truth is that the environmentalists are not really interested in the environment at all, but in STATE control of the economy. Good examples are the Green parties in Western Europe who believe that state ownership of all industry is the key and ZERO (0%) economic growth or even negative economic growth is desirable. It has never been about the health of the planet, but about promoting a particular political agenda.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

The government should follow the Judge’s decision.

Of course, the wingnuts want government in our bedrooms, in our medical records, emails, phones, civil right, freedoms, etc… like good commie fascists.

Freaking pinkos.

Geez.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

More on the abortion lobby’s stonewalling of Ashcroft’s attempts to get medical records.

Ashcroft said the Justice Department will accept the records in edited form, after deleting or masking any information that would identify a patient. Abortion-rights supporters nonetheless depicted the subpoenas as a dangerous intrusion into medical confidentiality.// “People’s medical records should not be the tools of political operatives,” said Rep. Eliot Engel, D-New York. “All Americans should have the right to visit their doctor and receive sound medical attention without the fear of Big Brother looking into those records.”

You can pretty much guarantee that any time the word “tool” is used to describe a “political operative” that that person is favorably impressed with the tenets of Marxism and other Leftist ideologies.

By LuckoDull

April 19, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

So far today:

1) The liberals have exposed the private life of a woman that had absolutely nothing to do with her insane sibling and the horrendous acts he committed. These filthy bottom dwelling lowlifes in the pinko media have essentially called the lynch mob out on this woman, who is probably in extreme and horrifying grief anyway. What kind of filth would disrespect someone like this? It’s totally unreal. What do you want, someone to vigilante on her?

2) Have voiced their firm and unwavering support for a grotesque procedure that dismembers and crushes a full term infant child for reasons of SELFISHNESS AND VANITY. There is no human excuse for this behavior whatsoever but this filthy scumbag liberals are all for it.

3) Are parading themselves around as a serial killer with total disregard for the feelings and devastation already suffered by the families of the victims. They are honoring the wishes of this scumbag murderer, this taker of good, this manifestation of evil, not a follower of Christ but the embodiment of pure evil, and playing his last will and testament IN THE FACES OF THE VICTIMS as he WISHED WOULD HAPPEN. Your are a tool of this monster just as sure as the gun was, except YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO THINK.

4) Think they got something on me because I swear.

Yeah, O.K.

Let me tell you something, sick mofo’s, I would never do anything as disgusting and repulsive as the things that YOU”VE DONE JUST THIS MORNING.

You can kiss my as-s.

Any questions?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Truthsayer,

Yes, I am all too familiar with the anti-capitalistic motives of the enviros. Dittoes for the “peace movement”.

I’d be happy to drive a car that uses less gas because I don’t like paying for it, but right now it makes no economic sense for me to buy a new car at an inflated cost, whose battery will need replacing in a few years - costing thousands of dollars to replace.

Getalife,

No one wants to know about what goes on in your bedroom. Don’t flatter yourself.

As for environmental change, nuclear power would do a lot more than ethanol to save energy and “save the environment”.

If you’re looking for compromise, let us drill in ANWR.

Later folks…

By getalife

April 19, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Major Cho alert at 12:57.

Please get this guy some help.

Geez.

By Dusty

April 19, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,(poet and top of the line commentator)

Thanks!!

Paul,

I couldn’t get it quite in order about the privacy of medical records. Why do you not mind signing HIPAA forms? They give more privacy?

I always thought medical records were sacro-sanct. Not so I gather. I do not believe anyone should be allowed into medical records just to make statistics.

But remembering VT and all the lack of action on violent mental abnormalities, maybe there should be or maybe there are “loopholes”. Seems like Cho put up every warning sign known to psychiatry and nobody put them together and took action. So back to the borderline of privacy and action. And nothing like solving problems in retrospect.

By Someone who has done his research

April 19, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

getalife - if preventing murder is “looking in someone’s bedroom” then we should all be for it. That is not what the “wing-nuts” want at all. We want LESS, not more government. We have always had laws against murder and the abuse of children. I for one am not willing to give up on those battles.

You want to continue to do things which corsen our culture and harden our hearts and cause the cavalier attitude towards life PERIOD that seems to be so common among many younger people today. Your attitude is: Life is cheep. We can always make another one. This one is “inconvenient” so we will just get rid of it. It’s rather the same attitude that Brazilian slave owners had.

How sad.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Before I go, Rush is making great points today about the fact that the networks won’t air videos from IslamoFascists but have no problem airing this creep’s manifestos - over and over again.

He also mentioned how ridiculous it is that Imus is off the air for his nappy headed Ho comment (which virtually no one heard at the time) while we are subjected to the offensive images of a deranged mass murderer - which will undoubtedly be used by sick copy cat killers looking for “inspiration”.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Where are the real conservatives who want less government, fiscal responsibility and government staying out of our business?

These wingnuts are the complete opposite of the real cons.

They want government into everything.

Talk about dependent on government.

Moral welfare idiots.

By Someone who has done his research

April 19, 2007 1:10 PM | Link to this

getalife - tell me where (besides the military) you would cut government spending and by how much to balance the budget. The reason I say don’t touch the military is that as a percentage of GDP it is historically VERY low right now, as it has been since the end of the Cold War. Remember the “Peace Dividend”? I think y’all spent it.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this

It seems pretty obvious that the Bush supporters are spamming this blog as their opinion of the Bush Administration more and more affected by events.

They don’t like it, but they are realizing that Bush really is the worst thing to happen to the country in the last 100 years.

Walt

By Cho Sueng-Hui

April 19, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

getalife,

You are me. Conservatives kill. Liberals rule. Republicans think they can stay in office. They can’t. They’ve had a billion chances to get it right, but they failed.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

“By getalife

April 19, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Where are the real conservatives who want less government, fiscal responsibility and government staying out of our business?”

They are finally starting to realize that they have been horribly and completely duped by George Bush and his handlers.

Walt

By getalife

April 19, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

Walt,

They have been used but I do not read their shame.

Only cheerleading for their abuser.

Very cult like.

If I get abused, I fight back.

These cowards want more.

It gets more and more pathetic everyday.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this

It’s really important, and it may be happening, but we really need a situation in this country where Bush and Cheney fall asleep every night thinking, “I could really wind up in prison.”

Walt

By Cho Seung-Hui

April 19, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

Walt,

You love getalife. You were gone today. You’re back. You cannot stop me. You may try but you can’t .

By Truthsayer

April 19, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

Walt and getalife - Although I have been disappointed by Bush’s domestic agenda, I am not in the least bit disappointed in his military an foreign policies. He has been more fiscally responsible than you folks would have been under the cirmcustances. Also, the Democrats have proposed huge spending and tax increases. He at least did lower taxes and that in itself was a tonic for the economy. Revenues are higher than they have ever been.

However, under the Bastar* Administration you folks weakened the military and eviscerated the effectiveness of the intelligence community with your fire walls and underfunding thereof. It is well known that Clinton spent hardly any time at all on any given day with security briefings. He is a man who has always been hostile to the military and any kind of strong foreign policy. He wanted to be “nice” to everyone. Look at what it bought us. We were only saved from Carter’s stupidity because the American people saw through that phony twerp at the time. And don’t tell me what a great guy he is. I’ve know that jerk and his family my entire life. He’s about as real as polyester.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

Research,

First cut everything Bush added.

The list is huge and will not waste the time.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

Yea, Clinton, Carter blah, blah, blah.

Play the victim like Cho.

I think I will start calling wingnuts “Chos”.

Jesus, Moses, you made me do it, I am a victim blah, blah, blah.

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Just don’t call us nappy-headed Chos or you’ll have the entire left wing, except John Kerry, piling on you.

By ToadLicker

April 19, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

Wowwwww mannnnn…… warrr is baaadddd mannnnn

By rushncap

April 19, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Is there any conceivable way to get everyone to stop using that a$-$hole’s name for political reasons? Can we at least give it a week before we start fu-cking with memories of 32 innocent people just to score spite points against each other? God dammit, people, those kids are fu-cking dead! Stop bringing politics into this.

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

I guess I’ll sign back off while all you holier than thou moonbats take rushncap to task for his vile and despicable language, but I agree with his sentiment. I just hope he sees that it’s almost exclusively his side doing it.

By LuckoDull

April 19, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

Rushncap: Amen.

(Don’t use the Lord’s name in vain, next time, please?)

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

Yea RW, except for BD saying he was a member of Islam.

I will stop.

By rushncap

April 19, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

Screw off, RW. You don’t like my language, go back to sucking on your mom’s teat. I’m sure she’ll use nicer words. Grownups know how to deal with my language.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

Why he did it, according to the AP:

Chris Davids, a Virginia Tech senior who graduated from Westfield High School in Chantilly, Va., with Cho in 2003, recalled that the South Korean immigrant almost never opened his mouth and would ignore attempts to strike up a conversation.//Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho’s turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded “like he had something in his mouth,” Davids said.//”As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,’” Davids said.

This story begins by saying he was “pushed around” by classmates but offers not a single anecdote to back that charge up up, and uses this^^single example to illustrate the “he was bullied and laughed at thesis” that the congenital excuse-makers used to explain the massacre at Columbine.

RW,

I wonder if rushncap is disgusted with the poster who is using Cho’s name as a pseudonym.

By Dusty

April 19, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Walt@ 1:21

I realize it is an effort in futility to ask you a question but I will ask anyway.

Why do you want Pres. Bush and Vice Pres. Cheney to fall asleep every night thinking “I could really wind up in prison.”?

These are two men who have given up a good part of their lives serving their country. Is this the reward you want for anyone serving the USA?

There are no perfect people that would suit your leftist desires. Just because you disagree with our present administration, you want Bush and Cheney in prison?

You and other liberals seem intent on vigilante justice. There is no basis for your arguments against Bush & Cheney. No indictments, no evidence, just your dislike for the president. Then there is your obvious attempt at running from a war which Congress gave the go ahead to proceed. Do you also want congress to go to sleep thinking they could go to prison?

I think you have little regard for justice in America, just your fanatical desire to get rid of Bush and Cheney.

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2007 2:17 PM | Link to this

I’ll say a prayer for you rushncap.

Did you miss the part about how I agree with you?

By rushncap

April 19, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

RW, did you miss the part where you immediately used “well, they are saying his name more than we are” to score more point? Just do yourself a favor and shut the hell up for once in your life.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

“By Dusty

April 19, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Walt@ 1:21

I realize it is an effort in futility to ask you a question but I will ask anyway.

Why do you want Pres. Bush and Vice Pres. Cheney to fall asleep every night thinking “I could really wind up in prison.”?

A couple of reasons.

It will give them pause before they betray the United States again.

It is their due as liars, war crimnals and sociopaths.

Walt

By Truthsayer

April 19, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

getalife - you are wonderful identifying problems, but like H. Ross “Dumbo Ears” Perot, you are short on solutions. Again, what would you cut? I cannot think of many new programs initiated by the Bush Administration. In fact, I can only name one - the senior prescription drug program, called Medicare Part D. I am personally all for getting rid of that one. Otherwise, I cannot think of any HE started. Name what, outside of the military, you would cut. Maybe you would get rid of that money pit known as Americorps? I would get rid of a lot, starting with phasing out Social Security and Medicare and converting to a private retirement system. I would also get rid of all agricultural and industrial subsidies. I would consolodate the Interior and Agriculture Departments and the Commerce and Labor Departments. I would eliminate the Energy and Education Departments. I would also get rid of one other Bush/Kennedy program which is No Child Left Behind. It actually does not cost much money, relatively speaking, but it is a tremendous burden on local school systems, and like most federal programs, it is useless. The federal government has no business in education whatsoever.

Now you can tell me what you would do. Name specific programs.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Lying Getalife,

I never said or implied that he was “a member of Islam”.

rushncap,

{{{Grownups know how to deal with my language.}}}

This^^ coming from one of the single most juvenile, tantrum-prone posters around, as evidenced by the tantrum you just had because RW made a point about the complaints from your like-minded friends about Andy’s language.

By Truthsayer

April 19, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

rushnap - Real adults don’t use language like that. You lose.

By rushncap

April 19, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

Dusty, Bush and Cheney “served this country” in much the same way as Ken Lay “served” Enron. And they should both meet the same fate.

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

f’k off rusncap. If you paid one freaking bit of attention you would see that most of what I’ve had to say is on the topic of today’s cartoon.

Just because you’re an inadequate, mind numbingly stupid, life long campus dweller, doesn’t justify your blindly lashing out at me.

I didn’t say a word about somebody saying Cho’s name. I said using it for political purposes and it’s almost exclusively leftists doing that. Sorry the truth bothers you so much, moron.

I’ll read your childish feces throwing response when I get back in this this evening.

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

To the rest of the blog,

You’ve had your fun for the last three days saying that people need to watch Andy, but if rushncap isn’t a prime candidate for your watch list I don’t know who is.

RW out!

By rushncap

April 19, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

Ooooh, watch that language, Stalk. It’s all vile and whatever else you said. So go sit on a metal rod for all I care. You didn’t have to respond to my post, but your $hi-tty little sense of “must answer rushncap because my penis is too small” wouldn’t let you. Not my problem, bud.

Truth — I’ll email you when I start caring what you think.

By @@

April 19, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

WTFBBQ:

{{{By WTFBBQ April 19, 2007 12:26 PM}}}

{{{@@ - about the issues eh? Got popped having an incorrect assertion and you revert to personal attacks? and I usually respect your views and attitude.. tsk.}}}

{{{Of course if its a case of nick-jack no hard feelings…}}}

Not a nick-jack.

It was about the issues. YOUR ISSUES.

It was my attempt to lift you up from where you are. The same approach I take in directing a child’s ability to cope.

If you don’t want to accept my advice, then don’t. I don’t DEMAND it, I just encourage it.

Tsk? I appreciate whatever respect you’ve had for my views and attitude, but I’m not going to change them when you don’t.

That statement alone indicated that you thought I might. Translation: “I liked you, but not anymore.”

It’s O.K. with me because I like myself. I am somebody with whom I can live.

Comfortable where I am in other words.

I’ve gotta run.

By rushncap

April 19, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

Well then, Stalk, I guess you got a jump on that “watch rushncap” thing you’re suggesting. Getting the rest of the board to stalk me now as well.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

“These are two men who have given up a good part of their lives serving their country. Is this the reward you want for anyone serving the USA?”

You can’t be serious.

They haven’t served the coutnry, they’ve served themselves.

They love this country the way a glutton loves his lunch.

Bush, despite the blizzard of lies at the time, -did-not- complete his term of service as a National Guard pilot.

As a “drilling” obligor, it was incumbent on him to find a unit to drill with (that is to say - fly with) as an F-102 pilot when he relocated to the Boston area for school.

He didn’t do that.

He disappeared from the system for 18 months.

He NEVER took a flight physical after urinalysis was instituted.

Cocaine was more important.

Some years later, the three discharge documents that would have closed out his service were forged.

We know they were forged because these documents normally are generated in three different HQ’s in three different cities signed by three different officers.

Bush’s 3 documents were all signed by the same officer.

They were forged.

And Cheney - please.

He worked for Nixon, and Black Adder I believe it was, who posted that he has received FORTY MILLION DOLLARS in compensation from Halliburton —- since he took office as VP.

Guess none of that was on FOX, huh?

Walt

By JP

April 19, 2007 2:37 PM | Link to this

Dusty, feel free to keep supporting the FareTax if you wish. I’m convinced it’s not the best plan to replace the IRS. Therefore, I do not support it.

There is more brain food here than on Wooten’s “playground.” I’m tired of the mindlessness on that blog.

Re: there is your obvious attempt at running from a war which Congress gave the go ahead to proceed. Congress doesn’t “give the go ahead to proceed” with war, they must declare war. They gave the go-ahead for military operations, under what most of us consider to be false pretenses and a poor excuse for intelligence. Those military operations need to end, sooner rather than later.

Why do you want Pres. Bush and Vice Pres. Cheney to fall asleep every night thinking “I could really wind up in prison.”? Personally, I’m not Walt, but I want them to go to sleep at night recognizing that they do not operate in a vacuum, but rather that they will be held responsible for their decisions. That didn’t happen for even one night of the 6 years of Republican Congress. It’s about time they experience it, although far too late.

By JP

April 19, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Walt: Where are the real conservatives who want less government, fiscal responsibility and government staying out of our business?” They are finally starting to realize that they have been horribly and completely duped by George Bush and his handlers.

Funny—we all agree he’s not a fiscal conservative, but in foreign policy the “Bush Doctrine” is the essence of conservatism. As more people recognize that go-it-alone and belligerence are NOT the recipe for success in this struggle, you may TRY to argue that conservatism shouldn’t be painted by “look at Bush” but it most certainly is. Bush is not a domestic-policy President. Bush has doomed the GOP for 2008—we want a more cooperative foreign policy. Enjoy the long term minority!

By Paul

April 19, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish

Add to that another case of the state AG (Kansas?) wanted to review abortion records of minors (yeah - 12-13-15) not to prosecute doctors, but to pursue investigations for child rape (suspected abuse was evidently not being reported).

Care to guess the support from the “rights and privacy” lobbies?

By WTFBBQ

April 19, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

Dearest @@ - My issues? The issues I brought up were that Andy spouts personal insults, and that a previous quote was misconstrued. I dont think I ever mentioned Panties or Urine in any of my posts (save this one).

Please. Correct me if I am wrong.

“The same approach I take in directing a child’s ability to cope.” You yell at children? Amazing.

BTW, I cope just fine with Andy’s tirades. My aim was to direct you to the fact that you made an incorrect statement - THAT was my issue, an issue you have yet to address. Instead, you yell at me like you yell at children.

Tsk. Tsk tsk again says I. I value your opinions and quite reasonable discussion skills but I have no intention or desire to have you change your ways. I’m Ok, You’re Ok as the saying goes. I don’t care if we see eye to eye or are totally opposite sides of the spectrum. I like you just the way you are. I don’t dislike you, more just a little peeved that just because I don’t post three thousand times a day you try to blow me off with a tirade about panties and how not to soil oneself - as if that would make me blush.

Rather, provide acceptance that “my issue”, that you practically said Andy doesn’t use personal insults, agree you were wrong.

Or, and this is totally acceptable too, state that you are still correct and provide a logical argument why your statement stands on its own as true and correct.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

“There are no perfect people that would suit your leftist desires. Just because you disagree with our present administration, you want Bush and Cheney in prison?”

Bush belongs in prison because he had an American citizen declared an enemy combatant and held indefinitely.

This is - at one time the WORST thing Bush has done in one sense, and also the EASIEST TO SEE as destructive of our liberties.

It certainly made a mockery of his oath.

Cheney belongs in prison for being Bush’s enabler, or puppet master, take your pick.

Cheney also belongs in prison for the role his office took in manipullating the information that led us to war for nothing.

The blood of all our people killed in Iraq is especially red on his hands.

Tattoo this backwards on your forehead — there was no reason for us to invade Iraq.

Walt

By Walt

April 19, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

“By JP

April 19, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Walt: Where are the real conservatives who want less government, fiscal responsibility and government staying out of our business?” They are finally starting to realize that they have been horribly and completely duped by George Bush and his handlers.

Funny—we all agree he’s not a fiscal conservative, but in foreign policy the “Bush Doctrine” is the essence of conservatism.”

Waging war in contravention of the UN Charter is not conservative.

Giving tax cuts in war time is not conservative.

Walt

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

Let’s see who began the day “politicizing” Cho.

{{{By Goldie

April 19, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this

Looks like ole Cho was consumed by his religious fury, and he, too, decided to pass judgement on others.}}}

rushncnap,

I’m sorry, but I’m not just going to sit back and allow that sort of groundless statement be made without comment.

We also have ignoramuses who make statements like this that need to be corrected:

{{{By getalife

April 19, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

Cho was spewing about Jesus and Moses not Islam.}}}

I hope you don’t mind that I am going to take this opportunity to point out the facts of which Getalife is woefully unaware -

Islam and Jesus:

[In the Qur’an, stories about the life and teachings of Jesus Christ(called ‘Isa in Arabic) are abundant. The Qur’an recalls his miraculous birth, his teachings, the miracles he performed by God’s permission, and his life as a respected prophet of God. et cetera.]http://islam.about.com/cs/jesus/f/jesus_quran.htm)

Islam and Moses:

Moses is important to Islam as being one of Muhammad’s forerunners, bringing the same message to humans as Muhammad would be doing 2000 years later. Hence, Muslims consider Moses as a confirmation of the authenticity of the revelations received by and transmitted from Muhammad.

By Paul

April 19, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

Truthsayer 12:52

Unfortunately, that “source”

Link:Prius vs Hummer

appears to use flawed methodology - some pretty basic cost accounting principles are missing.

Nickel production: Toyota’s not only outlet for the factories. Pollution is a function of Canadian law and enforcement. Take the catalytic converters off of a car, fill with leaded gasoline, ship to Canada and they’d talk about polluting US cars.

Lifetime cost analysis: 300,000 mile expected life? Anyone here have a car that’s done 300,000 miles? Anyone? Do a sensitivity analysis, shorten the “life” to a more reasonable expectation and watch the numbers change.

Missing the effect of quantity (lots more heavy SUVs than hybrids. Also - take the truck/SUV/nonpassenger car population, subject them to the CAFE auto mileage standards; calculate US petroleum consumption attributable to vehicles; compare effect on consumption by applying CAFE; convert revised consumption, calculate decreased import requirements.

Just wanted to point out difficulty on relying on “Staff Writer” synthesis and marketing firms.

By Dusty

April 19, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

Walt@ 2:35

I see you have your very own justice system. Ignore the fact that NO evidence of any illegal activity has been discovered on President Bush or Cheney. But YOU have made all the decisions in your head and ignore the actual truth. You didn’t even mention the one forgery actually found was a false document trying to ruin the President’s military service. That was the forgery, Walt.

When you buy stock do you expect a return on it? Cheney is a major stockholder in Haliburton. They are a super large company with contracts world wide. If stock holders making a large profit is criminal activity, you better sell your profitable stocks because you will be a CRIMINAL.

Your convoluted thinkiing is not to clear the air but to get rid of President Bush by any means. That is also the same goal of our enemies. I wish you could realize that.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Excellent example.

One also has to wonder how we are supposed to examine theories such as those that postulate that autism is linked to vaccinations, or of the hyteria about the danger of alar in apples, or theories that powerlines cause cancer, if we are not permitted to view anyone’s medical records.

running out again…

By Paul

April 19, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

Dusty 1:01

My comments were for before HIPAA was enacted. Most people thought they had absolute privacy of medical records when they didn’t. Most thought HIPPA was intended to weaken privacy safeguards - when in fact it was designed to put them in place.

Just an illustration of popular understanding vs reality (and the power of lobbies and misinformation).

Regarding your concluding comments: the pendulum swings. I’m sure we’ll see adjustments.

By Paul

April 19, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

Someone who has done research 1:05

Defense could easily be cut. Significantly. But too many local governments and politicians look at Defense as a modified welfare program for their economies.

Briefly, more later if you want to discuss: percentage o calculations are misleading. DoD’s own planning guidance refers building force structure against current and projected threats, not upon the basis of the current or projected economy.

By Paul

April 19, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

Someone who has done research 1:05

Defense could easily be cut. Significantly. But too many local governments and politicians look at Defense as a modified welfare program for their economies.

Briefly, more later if you want to discuss: percentage of GDP calculations are misleading. DoD’s own planning guidance refers building force structure against current and projected threats, not upon the basis of the current or projected economy.

By An observation

April 19, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

If a wingnut agrees with someone, they fawn over them no matter how disgusting they are (Luckodull).

If they don’t agree with them they resort to petty and childish name calling.

Nice bunch of Americans you are.

By RE

April 19, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

There goes Paul, muddying the waters with facts again.

Folks here hate it when you mess up a perfectly good rant/ talking point with facts.

By Bkackadder

April 19, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

“Anyone here have a car that’s done 300,000 miles?” -Paul

I have a 1962 Volvo P1800 with 274,000 miles. It’s in such good running order that I fully expect it to reach 300,000 within the next year or two.

Original engine (not overhauled yet) and original transmission (rebuilt once). The carburetor has been upgraded and the interior was redone in the 80’s. otherwise all original (even the paint)

I realize this is the exception but I can’t figure out why all auto makers don’t build their vehicles to last like Volvo used to. I say “used to” because I’m not real impressed with their newer mechanical designs.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Leahy: “Real oversight has returned to Capitol Hill. Investigations have already pulled back the curtain to reveal unbridled political meddling, Katrina style cronyism, and unfettered White House unilateralism that is directed at one of our most precious national assets. Our law enforcement - our legal system. Earlier in this process it seemed the administration was concluding that any answer would do, whether it was rooted in the facts or not. Those days are behind us. Just any answer won’t do anymore. We need the facts to pursue the facts until we get the truth.”

Coburn asks for his resignation.

By Paul

April 19, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

BlackAdder

I’m green with envy. You and Gen Powell would have a good time (I recall he restored one).

Trivia (or age) test: Do your friends (off blog) call you “The Saint?”

By Truthsayer

April 19, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Walt - it really amuses me that you are repeating the same false rumors that got Dan (who would) Rather (we be communist) fired from that paragon of “fair and balanced” journalism CBS.

By Midori

April 19, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON // For six years, the Bush administration, aided by Justice Department political appointees, has pursued an aggressive legal effort to restrict voter turnout in key battleground states in ways that favor Republican political candidates, according to former department lawyers and a review of written records. The administration intensified its efforts last year as President Bush’s popularity and Republican support eroded heading into a midterm battle for control of Congress, which the Democrats won.

Facing nationwide voter registration drives by Democratic-leaning groups, the administration alleged widespread election fraud and endorsed proposals for tougher state and federal voter identification laws. Presidential political adviser Karl Rove alluded to the strategy in April 2006 when he railed about voter fraud in a speech to the Republican National Lawyers Association.

Questions about the administration’s campaign against alleged voter fraud have helped fuel the political tempest over the firings last year of eight U.S. attorneys, several of whom were ousted in part because they failed to bring voter fraud cases important to Republican politicians. Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales could shed more light on the reasons for those firings when he appears today before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

By regulator

April 19, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Gonzales says no partisan politics in firings. I am laughing so hard I might have a breakdown like Andi. Please puy me away.

By Bkackadder

April 19, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this

Paul - They know me too well to refer to me as The Saint :-)

My P1800 is red not white so I don’t get that much.

My brother in law in Florida has a white 1972 model. It’s kind of beat up though and is on it’s third engine.

By Blackadder

April 19, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

Sorry for the misspelling of my nom de blog. I’m on a different computer than I normally use.

By Paul

April 19, 2007 3:38 PM | Link to this

BlackAdder

I thikn teh grammer and speling and tiping moniters have gone sumwher els.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

Lets see what to cut.

Well first, I would recover the missing billions in Iraq and prosecute defense contractors to recover more billions wasted in Iraq.

Of course, get out and save billions. Then there is big oil and all corporate interests w has given them billions. Stop that prosecute to recover more billions.

Then legalize weed and tax it , billions there.

Now start with programs. Eliminate all w’s new government back to where it was with Clinton.

Shrink government like a company going under like Delta.

By Midori

April 19, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

The brooding silence of Cho Seung-hui was so impenetrable it disturbed his family even when he was a boy growing up in South Korea, relatives of the Virginia killer told the Guardian today.

His grandfather feared Cho, at eight, might be mute; the boy’s great aunt worried that he had mental problems. And his mother, Kim Hyang-im, spent most of her time in church praying for him to snap out of his unhealthy taciturnity.

“She was heartbroken. It was always her biggest worry when she called home,” said the mother’s aunt, Kim Yang-soon. “After they moved to America, she hoped his silences would ease as he grew older. But in fact, they got worse.”

The poor but hard-working family had a difficult beginning. Cho’s mother was forced into an arranged marriage with his father, Sung-tae, who was 10 years older and from a very different background. She was from a well-educated family of North Korean landowners, who had been forced to flee without possessions during the Korean war; he was from a poor family in the south, but had made enough money to marry by working in Saudi Arabia for 10 years on construction sites and oil fields.

By Paul

April 19, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

Midori

Not to get too personal, but are you by chance the namesake who gave a great concert on East 54th in Manhattan a few years back while here on a concert tour from Japan?

Or simply a fan of a great melon liqueur?

By getalife

April 19, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

Paul,

This is not match.com.

Plus, RW gets jealous.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

“By Dusty

April 19, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

Walt@ 2:35

I see you have your very own justice system. Ignore the fact that NO evidence of any illegal activity has been discovered on President Bush or Cheney.”

The 6th Amendment:

“In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.”

On Bush:

Are you saying that Bush did not have Jose Padilla declared an enemy combatant?

Are you saying he was not held without trial or charge for 3.5 years?

Are you saying that the president is not charged with ensuring that the laws are “faithfully executed”?

Are you saying that the term “enemy combatant” appears in the Geneva Conventions?

Because the Supreme Court ruled recently that no such term -existed- in the GC, which as I guess you know, is the supreme law of the land.

Bush wiped his butt with out laws.

There is plenty of evidence Cheney cooked the intel prior to the invasion of Iraq. That is why he attacked Joe Wilson.

You need to wake up.

Walt

By barbara

April 19, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

wow. you are a man with a clue. count yourself among the few. (There’s a lyric in there somewhere).

By Walt

April 19, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

“By Truthsayer

April 19, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Walt - it really amuses me that you are repeating the same false rumors that got Dan (who would) Rather (we be communist) fired from that paragon of “fair and balanced” journalism CBS.”

Bush had a six year committment beginning in 1968.

Once urinalysis was begun in 1972, he did not participate in the National Guard again.

Walt

By Midori

April 19, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I am African American, whose uncle married my Aunt Midori right around the time I was born. My uncle met her while station in Japan.

My mother (his sister) honored her by naming me after her new sister in law.

BTW: Midori means “green” in Japanese, hince the name of Midori liquer.

And I can’t stand the taste of that stuff.

LOL - Getalife is such a trip. And I mean that in a good way :)

By Dusty

April 19, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

Walt @3:53—man of many windmills and all of them look like Bush!!

Walt, please go to Wickipedia or somewhere and look up the history of JOSE PADILLA. Bush did name him an enemy combatant because HE WAS CONSPIRING AGAINST THE UNITED STATES. Then through many legal loopholes and definitions his status was changed many times but he remained in prison on various charges until a final conviction years later.

Long legal actions are well know in many cases. Sometimes prisoners write books, become lawyers through correspondence and even become husbands on rare occasions. Not many of them blame President Bush. Padilla and liberals like you give it a “good try” to release even our enemies. Justice does prevail.

By RE

April 19, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Hey, on a different note, let me again express my view that for all the home owners out there, if you are in an ARM, refinance ASAP. If you are buying a home, plan on staying there for 3-5 years. Buckle in, prices are going to keep falling for the next year at least, probably 2.

What does it mean when a CEO of a company starts selling of all of his stock in that company?

Countrywide has problems.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this

Midori,

I opened your link to the story about the Bush Administration’s policies of “suppressing voter turnout” expecting to find a smoking gun, but there was no there, there.

All I found was examples like this:

Approved Georgia and Arizona laws that tightened voter ID requirements. A federal judge tossed out the Georgia law as an unconstitutional infringement on the rights of poor voters, and a federal appeals court signaled its objections to the Arizona law on similar grounds last fall, but that litigation was delayed by the U.S. Supreme Court until after the election.

Yep, and it was delayed to the advantage of the “poor voters” but it was just decided that requiring (Gasp!) voter i.d. before you can vote is constitutional.

Any other shocking tales you’d like to tell us about?

By rushncap

April 19, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

No, Muffin, don’t lie. You did not open that link “expecting to find a smoking gun”, you opened it expecting to find a sentence which you can take out of context of the article which would sound less damaging than the rest and then attack it. Hint: when you lie, try to make it less obvious. It would work better that way. Which means that you’ll have to stop emulating your golden idol Shrubby. He’s really poor at this lying thing, though he seems to think that practice makes perfect.

By Midori

April 19, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I didn’t realize that I was posting “smoking guns” or smoking any guns, or any other off the wall analogy you would care to bring up.

Furthermore, I didn’t expect you or anyone of your persuasion to take the article seriously.

I posted the article for informational purposes for those who like to stay “informed”.

By Midori

April 19, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this

Bingo, Rushncap.

By Paul

April 19, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

Midori 4:04

That is a wonderful story and a great family connection. I thought about it when I was speaking to my brother (who lives a couple blocks off Times Square) who related a great street concert by the Japanese violinist “Midori.” I had to wonder if there was a (Japan) connection there.

Thanks!

By Dusty

April 19, 2007 4:31 PM | Link to this

JP @ 2:37

I don’t know a thing about fair tax or have I ever mentioned it. As far as I know it would be like this: if everybody on the road had all flat tires at once, there would be no traffic accidents. Therefore, let us ALL have flat tires. ( Oh well!!)

As to your view of the socalled “Bush Doctrine”, Bush has taken resposibility for Iraq and the intelligence that led to his decisions. If you want an example, refer to his speech at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, 12/14/05. There, he not only took responsibility for invasion intelligence, he also said “I am responsible for the decision to go into Iraq.”

President Bush has not avoided the issues nor the resposibilities. If Congress and all American citizens would do the same, this country would be much stronger. We could fight our enemies united, not as one part fighting the enemy and the other part fighting the president.

By Scooter

April 19, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

Did someone have a question about the FairTax?

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

False Accuser Rushncap,

No, the TRUTH is that I opened it to find the evidence to back up the charges made in the first paragraph:

For six years, the Bush administration, aided by Justice Department political appointees, has pursued an aggressive legal effort to restrict voter turnout in key battleground states in ways that favor Republican political candidates, according to former department lawyers and a review of written records. The administration intensified its efforts last year as President Bush’s popularity and Republican support eroded heading into a midterm battle for control of Congress, which the Democrats won.

I found ZERO, ZIP, NADA to support those enticing claims.

It is difficult to become “informed” as Midori puts it, when there is no useful “information” provided, just a lot of innuendo and unsubstantiated charges.

Perhaps you or Midori could direct me to an article that has some facts to substantiate the charges. Meanwhile, I will be happy to provide you all sorts of documented evidence of what ACORN has done to register non-existent voters, as part of a coordinated voter fraud campaign.

By Midori

April 19, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Doolittle Resigns Appropriations Panel Seat

I promise there are no “smoking guns” in that link, either.

By LuckoDull

April 19, 2007 4:40 PM | Link to this

{{{By WTFBBQ April 19, 2007 2:52 PM Rather, provide acceptance that “my issue”, that you practically said Andy doesn’t use personal insults, agree you were wrong.}}}

Using WTF^^ in the nick to bitc-h about my “coarseness,” wonderful.

How can I “personally” insult someone I don’t even know?

I’m insulting liberalism, oh great confused one, and if the shoe fits you, well…deal with it.

Let’s check the score here, liberalism has sexually corrupted America’s youth, ruined scores of lives with drug use, turned the cold blooded grotesque mutilation murder of a new born baby into a form of “birth control,” made a bunch of throat cutting religious fanatical slave drivers think that the strongest nation in the world bar none is slap full of spineless cowards like getalife, seriously endangered our national security by tying both hands of the military behind it’s back, totally destroyed the country’s educational system taking us from the smartest nation in the world to the stupidest and your music really sucks.

And against me; some swear words.

Sure thing, I’ll be on my best behavior, yep, uh-huh.

I’m sure you pig sh-it eating maggots will clean up your act too, won’t you?

Deal?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

Walt @3:53—man of many windmills and all of them look like Bush!!

Walt, please go to Wickipedia or somewhere and look up the history of JOSE PADILLA. Bush did name him an enemy combatant because HE WAS CONSPIRING AGAINST THE UNITED STATES. Then through many legal loopholes and definitions his status was changed many times but he remained in prison on various charges until a final conviction years later.”

Padilla was held for 3.5 years with no charges at all.

Bush is supposed to uphold the law, not order it broken.

You’re a scary person because you don’t know what the country stands for.

Walt

By rushncap

April 19, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this

Muffin, you could open a video of Karl Rove physically dragging a Democratic voter out of a polling place, and you would still type you “NADA, ZIP” etc drivel. You don’t care about truth in the least, so don’t pretend.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

“Then through many legal loopholes and definitions his status was changed many times but he remained in prison on various charges until a final conviction years later.”

What crime has Padilla been convicted of?

Walt

By DawgBite

April 19, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this It is difficult to become “informed” as Midori puts it, when there is no useful “information” provided, just a lot of innuendo and unsubstantiated charges.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!! You wingwacks use some of the biggest crackpot links that I have ever seen to “substantiate” your arguments.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

“Justice does prevail.”

Not when the Bill of Rights is ignored.

Padilla did not get a speedy and public trial.

He was held for 3.5 years with no charges and no trial.

We can’t let the government take even a tiny step down that road.

Wake up.

Be a citizen, not just a resident.

Walt

By Dusty

April 19, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

Walt @ 4:42

You, Walt, are THE scary person because you refuse to accept facts instead of fancy. Enjoy your world of make believe but don’t expect me to accept your dismal disrespect and political inventions.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

The only reason that the Bush Administration even filed charges on Padilla at all is because of the ruling in “Hamdi”.

They don’t have anything on Padilla.

If you wake up enough to care a fig about the foundation of the country, you’ll follow his trial and you’ll see that.

Walt

By Midori

April 19, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

{{{{Perhaps you or Midori could direct me to an article that has some facts to substantiate the charges.}}}}}

If I had that much time to waste, I’d be in the Bush WH.

Something tells me if I posted a picture of Bush shagging a dead boy, you’d attack the boy, and find several ludicrious excuses for Bush.

Your history has not been kind to your huffy, puffy attitude.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

“By Dusty

April 19, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

Walt @ 4:42

You, Walt, are THE scary person because you refuse to accept facts instead of fancy. Enjoy your world of make believe but don’t expect me to accept your dismal disrespect and political inventions.”

What crime has Padilla been convicted of?

You are the one dealing in fancy, and your searching around on the ‘net in the last 30 minutes or so didn’t substantiate what you said earlier.

Did it?

Walt

By Midori

April 19, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

looks like DawgBite has just bitten himself with his own ignorance.

you wingnuts are the masters of innuendo, slander, slurs, etc.

yet you keep ignorantly confusing it with truth, facts, etc.

Who let the dawgs out?

Woof!! Woof!!

By DawgBite

April 19, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

Walt, these idiots on the right have absolutely no clue as to what this country is all about. They will rail and rant till the cows come home about the right to carry a gun everywhere they go, but will blindly accept this administration’s attempt to dismantle the 4th and 1st Amendments to the Constitution. They are too damned dumb to understand that when the 1st and 4th go down the tubes all the guns in the world won’t do squat for them.

By Paul

April 19, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this

Walt

While I’m generally a bit suspicious of Wikipedia, you may want to review their synopsis.

Link:Padilla)

After scanning it, it seems your accusation of “upholding the law, not ordering it broken” should apply to not just Pres Bush, but also to various state courts, Federal courts, as well as the US Supreme Court.

Can’t say as I’m all that pleased with the current mess, though. As I’ve said, we have a very different situation engaging the jihadists who’ve declared war on our country and adaptations to our legal system will occur slowly, fitfully and in a piecemeal fashion.

By WTFBBQ

April 19, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

Ooh did I hear a comment by Andy? I wonder what it said… Dunno, I dont read his blather..

Shoe don’t fit thanks for asking, not that you care.

And if you think my name is bad? Interesting how INFREQUENTLY I post. And, as for today, I have posted 0 cusswords at anyone. I have had 0 personal attacks at anyone. I have behaved.

Do I agree with you? I never said anything against any valid argument you itterated. As a matter of fact, in case you didn’t catch it, I like @@ and her points of discussion. Seems that if I like one of you, Id probably like the other, meaning you. And yes, I happen to AGREE with your talking points.

I just think you could do better leaving your bitter angry tone at the door, thats all. And its not just you who ought to leave the ‘tude and personal attacks at the door, the whole freaking lot of you could use a refresher course in manners…

but what, Pinko liberals don’t deserve proper manners? Then you lower yourself to their level.

Still, no reply from @@…. I’m sure to be flamed as I wont be here to keep up my side of the argument, so feel free. No skin off my back I guarantee…

By Walt

April 19, 2007 5:02 PM | Link to this

“By Dusty

April 19, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

Walt @3:53—man of many windmills and all of them look like Bush!!

Walt, please go to Wickipedia or somewhere and look up the history of JOSE PADILLA. Bush did name him an enemy combatant because HE WAS CONSPIRING AGAINST THE UNITED STATES. Then through many legal loopholes and definitions his status was changed many times but he remained in prison on various charges until a final conviction years later.”

Are you going to be man enough to admit you made a false statement?

Padilla hasn’t been convicted of anything.

And you were ignorant of the facts of this dire and dastardly attack on our valuesl, weren’t you?

Walt

By WTFBBQ

April 19, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

Error correction: Between first and second paragraps, insert: “(ok, so I read it)”.

Thank you.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

Rushncap and DawgBite

Fine. None of the examples given fulfilled the promise of the opening paragraph. If you disagree, you tell me why and back it up with evidence.

To illustrate how blind your side is, after Getalife made the claim that partial birth abortions don’t occur, I posted the congressional testimony of a nurse today who assisted in partial-birth abortions.

Only a moonbat could claim that someone would testify in front of Congress and claim to witness a procedure that does not exist and never happens.

When that argument sank like the Titanic, he then demanded that I provide medical records to prove it, when privacy laws prevent those disclosures and attempts by John Ashcroft to gather data were rebuffed by hysterical “pro-choice” advocates and liberal judges.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

I do believe I see my name:

“Let’s check the score here, liberalism has sexually corrupted America’s youth”

Nope, Haggard Foley come to mind

, “ruined scores of lives with drug use”

Rush, Ted, w.

,”turned the cold blooded grotesque mutilation murder of a new born baby into a form of “birth control”

But loves blowing up babies

,” made a bunch of throat cutting religious fanatical slave drivers think that the strongest nation in the world bar none is slap full of spineless cowards like getalife, seriously endangered our national security by tying both hands of the military behind it’s back, totally destroyed the country’s educational system taking us from the smartest nation in the world to the stupidest and your music really sucks.”

The buck stops with w.

Me, I would never occupy and slaughter for oil.

My music does not suck, it rocks.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

“After scanning it, it seems your accusation of “upholding the law, not ordering it broken” should apply to not just Pres Bush, but also to various state courts, Federal courts, as well as the US Supreme Court.”

Yes, certainly Bush ordered the law broken.

Then the Court, back in 2004 turned away Padilla’s first challenge to his unlawful confinement through the device that the case was filed in NYC and he was in the Charleston SC brig.

You’d -think- that the Court would be screaming bloody murder over such a blatant attack on our laws, but they didn’t.

Of course with a Chief Justce appointed by Nixon, expediency was the order of the day.

Walt

By WTFBBQ

April 19, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

Secondary correction: I have cussed in ONE post, my initial post, if you consider WTF a cussword. But I still sit at 0 personal attacks. I try to watch my mouth.

By Paul

April 19, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish

This one’s for you -

Link:The Smile

By RE

April 19, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

Hang on a minute there BD,

Are you trying to equate the privacy of medical records with being liberal?

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

DawgBite,

Now you’re claiming that the “right” is trying to dismantle the First Amendment?

How pray tell? Is Media Matters a “right wing group”? Were the voices who got Imus fired “right wingers”?

Your side declares that “the debate is over” on issues like Global Warming, and you silence dissent at every opportunity - particularly on college campuses, where not only are conservatives shouted down (and physically attacked) when they speak, but conservative groups are shut down at every opportunity, usually because of Marxist PC claims that some group was offended.

Volumes have been written to substantiate those facts.

I’m going out. I’ll check in later for the evidence to back up your astonishing claims.

By Dusty

April 19, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

Walt,

Well, don’t give up yet. There is a liberal judge on the Padilla case.

You may get to have Padilla as a neighbor when he is free of “material support to terrorist organizations” and “part of criminal conspiracy to murder people abroad”.

Let us hope the jurors have an open mind, not one as prejudiced as yours.

By N-GA

April 19, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I followed your suggestion and looked up Jose Padilla on Wikipedia. I read the entire listing, including the events timeline at the end.

Let me begin by stating that your statement: “…but he remained in prison on various charges until a final conviction years later.” is utterly false. He has not yet been tried on Federal charges. In fact his trial is just getting underway with jury selection.

He was arrested in May, 2002 under a material witness warrant. President Bush declared him an “enemy combatant” on June 9, 2002 just 2 days before the court was to issue a ruling on whether he could continue to be held without charges under the material witness warrant. This order and his detention has been repeatedly challenged since then. He has been held in solitary confinement for most of the ensuing period.

Although he is an American citizen, he has been denied the Constitutional rights that all of us enjoy. Whether he is guilty or not is still to be determined, but this administration has (so far) successfully denied an American citizen the right to a speedy trial, access to specific evidence, detention considered cruel and unusual (especially for someone presumed innocent), claims of torture, etc.

If this were your brother, I suspect you would be fighting vigorously for his rights.

BTW…Paul: Did you read my post to you late yesterday concerning your views on this very subject?

By Paul

April 19, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Walt

I wouldn’t say Pres Bush ordered laws broken. The sentence that caught my eye in the link was

“President Bush issued an order to Secretary Rumsfeld to detain Padilla as an “enemy combatant… The order legally justified the detention… (the cited) opinion is based on the decision of the United States Supreme Court in the case of ex parte Quirin, a case involving the detention of a group of German-Americans working for Nazi Germany).

So while the initial reaction is “what? A US citizen on US soil?” it appears there was earlier precedent from a similar situation cited.

That’s how law evolves. Every maneuvering through the courts does not mean a person’s evil - or breaking the law - just using the law to make their case. It’s far from settled.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

BD,

I do not recall.

The decision kills the baby and the mother.

Happy now?

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

RE,

I don’t have time to review for you. Go back and read my comments and the links that I supplied to substantiate them.

The discussion ranged from the “privacy” rights of children on and their parents and the “privacy” rights that prevents us from gathering data on Partial Birth Abortion.

Later.

By DawgBite

April 19, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this

BD, when are you guys on the far right going to understand that you have beat the abortion horse to death. That one trick pony of yours is going to be the death of the Republican party. What used to be a litmus test is now a death knell. You right wingers are goners. Enjoy the outside looking in and w2hen it gets really cold out there, remember that you did it to yourself. Be proud of the fact that you killed the Republican party.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

Before I go!

Getalife,

So, if in your view “the decision kills the baby and the mother”, then that must prove that the procedure exists?

Unfreaking believable Idiocy.

By Paul

April 19, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

N-GA

No, I did not see it but just read it. When I was referring to “terrorist” is was not of the McVey ilk (US citizens) but to jihadists, foreign, dispersed throughout the world.

BTW - I seem to recall that Chalabi (sp) was exposed as an “agent” of the Iranian government. When you recall the access he had, the boneheads who took what he said at face value and… oh, never mind. You get my drift.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

“By Paul

April 19, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

Walt

I wouldn’t say Pres Bush ordered laws broken.”

You need to, because he did.

What are you missing here?

Bush took an oath on the Bible to ensure the laws were faithfully executed, and -HE- broke the law himself.

He denied Padilla a speedy and public trial.

We CANNOT allow the government to take even baby steps down this road.

Don’t feel badly. People voted for Hitler too.

Walt

By getalife

April 19, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

BD,

Still have not seen a case and will not take your word for it.

It does not matter.

Both will die now if they needed this so called procedure.

You get to kill two instead of one and that makes you happy cult freak.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

“By Dusty

April 19, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

Walt,

Well, don’t give up yet. There is a liberal judge on the Padilla case.

You may get to have Padilla as a neighbor when he is free of “material support to terrorist organizations” and “part of criminal conspiracy to murder people abroad”.

Let us hope the jurors have an open mind, not one as prejudiced as yours.”

How is it prejudiced to demand a speedy and public trial?

It’s a damn shame that we are having this exchange on April 19, 2007 - 232 years to the day since Major Pitcarin stood on Lexington green and said:

“DISPERSE YE REBELS!”

This country is bought and paid for in the blood of patriots.

You crap on their memory.

Shame, shame and eternal shame on you.

Walt

By Paul

April 19, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

Walt

Just a difference of opinion. Many cases at the Federal take a long time. Pres Bush (relying on legal advice) cited precedent to establish the legal methods he wanted followed. It was/is a battle over what the law is and how it should be applied in these cases. That’s not breaking the law. It’s just evolving case law.

To reiterate: this entire topic of US citizens tossing their allegiance from their country to a non-US, religious, extremist alliance that has declared war on the US, and how to prosecute/fight/kill them is going to trouble this country for a long time. The people you accuse of breaking the law are providing an essential service - constructing law to deal with this situation (and the law that finally solidifies just may not look anything like we have now). But we’ll never get there without the debate (in the form of lawsuits, legislation, proposals) proceeding through the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches.

By Dusty

April 19, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

Walt,

No, I am not”man enough to admit I made false statements”. That is mainly because I am not a man and I don’t make false statements.

It is true that I should have said “remains in prison” instead of “remained in prison”. Furthermore I hope to say that he will remain in prison from now on so that he cannot continue his fight against the USA.

You see, I am convinced that he is guilty of efforts to destroy our country. I do not want him set free to prove that Bush is wrong which I suspect is your motive as well as that of N. Ga.

As I said before, justice will prevail. I will accept the verdict. I hope you will too.

By DawgBite

April 19, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

DawgBite,

Now you’re claiming that the “right” is trying to dismantle the First Amendment?

How pray tell? Is Media Matters a “right wing group”? Were the voices who got Imus fired “right wingers”?

Come to think of it Buy Danish, in a round about way the racists, bigots, xenophobes, and nativists that populate the right wing did get him fired. Their rousing support of his trashy commentaries emboldened him to the point that he thought he was bullet proof. He pandered to right wing racist trash and wound up shooting himself in the foot. Imus rightfully discovered that when you lie down with dogs you will get fleas. So yes BD. In a way you wingwacks did get him fired.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this

“You may get to have Padilla as a neighbor when he is free of “material support to terrorist organizations” and “part of criminal conspiracy to murder people abroad”.

Are you a Nazi?

Are you saying a jury of 12 can’t or shouldn’t get to decide guilt or innocence — one of our most venerated concepts?

If Padilla is exonerated of the charges - brought by the same governmet that lied about Iraq and any link to Al Qaeda — why shouldn’t he move next door?

Because he isn’t caucasian?

Walt

By N-GA

April 19, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I get your drift. My point is that using the claim that giving the defendent access to the evidence might disrupt US intelligence gathering capabilities is disingenuous, at best. These “intelligence” activities are suspect to the core, and not having the right to confront accusers undermines an individual’s ability to defend himself. Yet the “intelligence” could very well be a paid informant who will say anything to keep the paycheck coming (eg: Chalabi).

Is this what our founding fathers intended?

Time for a Delamain Vesper. Cheers…

By Walt

April 19, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

“By Paul

April 19, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

Walt

Just a difference of opinion…”

On the meaning of “speedy and public”?

Walt

By Walt

April 19, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

“By Dusty

April 19, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

Walt,

No, I am not”man enough to admit I made false statements”. That is mainly because I am not a man and I don’t make false statements.”

You said that Padilla had been convicted of a crime and that was a false statement.

You need to retract.

Walt

By Paul

April 19, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this

N-GA

Those who say defendants will want to “speak to the Special Forces operatives” are putting up a strawman, I think. Giving defense access to transcripts, records, with methods, sources, etc. blocked is entirely doable. But I suppose both sides will play the game from the start.

Enjoy. That’ll be nice and calming. I came close to picking up some Hine the other day - liked the bottle (design) of the one I had, plus it was Churchill’s favorite. Seemed to work for him-

Pleasant evening to you - I’m gone also -

By Cindy

April 19, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

Don Imus got what he deserved. Those girls worked hard to achieve. They played as a team. They reached the top of their sport. Became champions. They did everything that you hypocrits on the right claim to admire. Yet Don Imus called them “nappy headed hoes”. Why? Beccause people like you Buy Danish get off on that kind of filth and constantly cheer him and others of his ilk on.

By Walt

April 19, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

“By Cindy

April 19, 2007 5:45 PM | Link to this

Don Imus got what he deserved. Those girls worked hard to achieve. They played as a team. They reached the top of their sport. Became champions.”

Well, they didn’t win the championship, but they did knock off Duke, a team that had given my Lady Vols fits.

:D

Walt

By RE

April 19, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

Walt,

I always like reading the bill of rights. It is our contract with the government, and amazingly enough, it is the government’s duty to insure those rights. The way they are written is so much different than most other legal documents, clear, consise, as if it is meant to be read and understood by even those with the most rudimentary education.

I am with you on this one, the bill of rights has been trampled, and those rights are the very core of the United States.

If Padilla or anyone else is a criminal, then they should have a trial. No government should be able to detain without charges.

By N-GA

April 19, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Holding an individual without charges harkens back to the days of the french monarchy. “The Man in the Iron Mask” is a fictionalized version of a true story about a man held in solitary confinement in a French dungeon, never brought to trial. He was held at the direction of the King of France.

There is much research and many theories about who he was and why he was imprisoned.

If Padilla is guilty, let him be tried and punished. But to try to use (stretch?) the law is not seeking justice, IMO. And recent testimony about his psychological condition resulting from his treatment while imprisoned makes it questionable whether he is able to muster any defense.

This Vesper is so delicious I may have to violate my own rule and have another.

By Dusty

April 19, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

Walt from wonderland @5:37

Still using the old Nazi card, huh? What are you? The SS? Suspicious of everyone?

If Padilla is not convicted, he can live wherever he can find a place. I am hoping he will not be my neighbor because I will not want one with his history of poor citizenship.

I will not be so noble as to say that I would want him for a neighbor. I would give it the old college try at “loving thy neighbor” but it would be difficult.

Padilla isn’t a Caucasian? What is he? OH,well, there’s the old race card by Walt. Who cares? Do you know the color of MY skin? Just wondering. You seem to think this is somehow related. Why?

By LuckoDull

April 19, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

Gitmo:

Sexual corruption; “Make love not war.” The sexual revolution. Are you trying to say George Bush is groovy? This is your bag, pinko.

Drugs; Haight Ashbury? Turn on, tune in, drop out? Which Conservative do you want to pin this on?

Slaughtering innocent babies in their mother’s womb; Who is it that has been tearing their clothes and gnashing their teeth all morning over some crap about “women’s rights?”

Do you have to lie about everything?

(The tune was O.K. but check out something for real, with an apt title.)

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By LuckoDull

April 19, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this

Even better:

Guns N’ Roses - Patience

Conservatives rock.

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By RE

April 19, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

I think Andy is stuck in the 70s.

Hey you wouldn’t have been in the Ohio national guard in 1970, were you?

I kind of get that vibe from you sometimes.

By LuckoDull

April 19, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

RE: GNR was the late 80’s/ early 90’s dude.

Maybe you should study history.

You know what I mean?

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By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

{{{By DawgBite

April 19, 2007 5:16 PM

BD, when are you guys on the far right going to understand that you have beat the abortion horse to death)))

DawgBite,

Um…

Wednesday, April 18, 2007— The Supreme Court upheld the nationwide ban on a controversial abortion procedure Wednesday, handing abortion opponents the long-awaited victory they expected from a more conservative bench

You go right ahead and run on the “Let “depressed” mothers suck out their babies brains” platform.

By DawgBite

April 19, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this

The 2006 elections didn’t teach you mentally challenged imbeciles anything did it Buy Danish? And by the way, don’t you have a trick to turn or something? Or were the 2 customers from this morning enough to make your day?

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

{{{By getalife

April 19, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this

BD,

Still have not seen a case and will not take your word for it.}}}

Getafreak,

I posted the congressional testimony of a nurse who assisted in these procedures and gave you the name of a nurse to Google who had more horrors to tell.

It’s too darn bad she didn’t have a video camera with her.

If you want to see cases, ask the courts to release the information John Ashcroft requested.

By @@

April 19, 2007 6:26 PM | Link to this

WTFBBQ:

Last post on this topic for me.

Nooooo, I don’t yell at my students. I maintain constant eye contact and remain silent. It works well for me. If I react, the situation usually escalates to the point that neither I or the student are benefitted in any way.

My “all caps” were for emphasis only. If we still had the ability to italicize or embolden, I would have gone with those options. But alas, ml or his webmaster have made a decision which I don’t support. I do, however, find a way around it.

As to the personal insults. I’ve received plenty of those, but I choose not to allow myself to see them as “personal”. It’s obvious that you allow yourself to view them as such, and only you can make that choice or reject that choice.

I don’t care how many times you post WTFBBQ. What matters is the substance of your posts. Posting under “one name only” would give me a clearer indication of “just how many times” you do post, and whether they have substance. I suspect that you use multiple IDs and say whatever you are “compelled” to say at any given moment be it civil or not. I’d have to check the archives, but I think I recall that you haven’t always been as nice as you would have everybody here believe.

If you “don’t care to wade through” posts, then don’t come here. If you decide to continue, then look for the name Luckodull or his ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZs. If you do, in fact, skip over them, then you won’t have need to mention his name, now will you?

It’s a lot more difficult for someone like me. With so many multiple IDs showing up from the liberals here, who knows what’s worthwhile and what’s not. Funny…I’ve never mentioned that before. I read them all, just in case. When I see Andy’s name within their comments, that’s usually when I stop reading and go on to the next post. I’m not here to listen to their whining about Andy.

Liberals are constantly telling us how they “skip over” Andy’s posts while calling his posts vile and hateful. How can that be if they don’t read them. He’s made several today without the namecalling they hate so much. I guess they missed those.

Odd folks you liberals are. You get more odd with each passing day.

Andy is the same as he has always been. He is

By RE

April 19, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

I was talking about your sex, drugs, and abortion references.

They are a little stale, don’t you think?

And yeah, I remebmber GNR, good band, then they got artsy, then they faded away

By Dusty

April 19, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

N.GA. and Walt,

I am tired of your overall efforts on behalf of a man obviously against the freedoms of the USA. You ignore all precedents in wartime legal affairs.

I support the writ of habeas corpus but I also support the defense of our country. You show no signs of respecting the sovereign rights and protection of our country, only the right to speak against the President of the United States.

We will see how this trial ends.

I have no more time or patience for such surreptitious babble. I am going to throw some pork chops in a pan, and it is all legal!!I will no longer habeas the porcine corpus…

By Ruth

April 19, 2007 6:30 PM | Link to this

So what is your point Danish? That court decision is in no way an indicator of the mood of this county’s electorate. 2006 was the indicator. And 2008 will drive that point home to you marginalized non-factors.

By @@

April 19, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

Oh my, that’s funny.

He is………

I could leave everybody wondering, but I won’t.

Andy is a man of strong convictions and courage.

I can only strive to be that clear in my thinking.

Unfortunately, I am burdened by my liberal past. Letting go is difficult. Only a rational, clear thinking mind can accomplish that task.

Congratulations Andy. You have achieved what I continue to reach for.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 6:39 PM | Link to this

Wow, an almost cuvil post from Andy:

“Sexual corruption; “Make love not war.” The sexual revolution. Are you trying to say George Bush is groovy? This is your bag, pinko.”

Sorry you are having problems with sex. Try Viagra like your hero Rush.

“Drugs; Haight Ashbury? Turn on, tune in, drop out? Which Conservative do you want to pin this on?”

It opens and expands your mind man.

“Slaughtering innocent babies in their mother’s womb; Who is it that has been tearing their clothes and gnashing their teeth all morning over some crap about “women’s rights?”

Well, most of my kids are in jars. (Andy like comment)

“Do you have to lie about everything?”

I only posts facts and my opinion.

You know GNR are major drug addicts right?

I know you like Axel, he has mental problems.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

Well, I was going to continue engaging DogBite civilly, but after reading his absolutely pathetic attempt at debate at 6:23, I have reasonably concluded that that is impossible.

Instead, I will address my comments to the rest of the board, using his idiocy as a starting point.

To whom it may concern:

{{{By DawgBite

April 19, 2007 5:35 PM |

Come to think of it Buy Danish, in a round about way the racists, bigots, xenophobes, and nativists that populate the right wing did get him fired. Their rousing support of his trashy commentaries emboldened him to the point that he thought he was bullet proof. He pandered to right wing racist trash and wound up shooting himself in the foot. Imus rightfully discovered that when you lie down with dogs you will get fleas. So yes BD. In a way you wingwacks did get him fired.}}}

Imus’s listeners and guests were overwhelmingly liberals. The people who went after him were Media Matters, a Democrat(ic) Party operation, Sharpton and Jackson, Al Roker, Barack Obama, and the liberal executives he reported to.

I have not listened to him since sometime in the 1990s when I finally got Fox News and wasn’t stuck listening to MSNBC anymore.

I never particularly liked him and I never endorsed his stupid comments. I have never made a single racist comment on this blog, and I have consistently gone after commentors who have. Anyone of you are free to go through all the archives to prove me wrong.

While I believed it was reasonable to suspend him for 2 weeks, I do not believe that people should be fired just because they make a stupid comment and the full weight of the Democrat(ic) Party is unleashed in manufactured outrage on that person.

Media Matters and AJC bloggers like Goldie and Getalife have ADMITTED that shutting down Imus is a first step in silencing talk radio. On their website they use the fact that Rush jokes about the “NAGS” as fodder to justify their censorship.

Ruth,

I don’t know who TF you are, but my point has been made very clearly today and if you’re really interestd in it go back and read my comments.

Moreover your assertion that the majority of Americans approve of legalized Partial Birth Abortion is patently false.

By getalife

April 19, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

“Congratulations Andy. You have achieved what I continue to reach for.”

@@,

Andy’s little intern.

Insert cigar joke here……

Reach a little higher @@.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this

Cindy,

I find your comments about me “offensive” and I think you should be fired (if you even have a job) and I think I should be able to take you to court.

You libeled me by stating, “Because people like you Buy Danish get off on that kind of filth and constantly cheer him and others of his ilk on.” yet there is nothing to substantiate that false, malicious slander.

You claim to be the protector of whistleblowers rights, and I just blew the whistle on you.

Pot to kettle, dear. Ha Ha Ha.

By LuckoDull

April 19, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

{{{By RE April 19, 2007 6:28 PM I was talking about your sex, drugs, and abortion references. They are a little stale, don’t you think?}}}

The chicken has to be hatched from an egg, doesn’t it?

Haha, I’m sure Mark Foley being the original sinner works just fine for you libs.

I can just imagine the lib history books in schools a decade from now, Saint Clinton fighting off the evil gay Republicans, I’m sure.

{{{By getalife April 19, 2007 6:39 PM You know GNR are major drug addicts right?}}}

The thing that made GNR “get artsy” and fade away, was Axl putting his foot down about Izzy Straddlin’s herion use. When Izzy split, that was it.

Doing the right thing cost them the whole band.

That’s Conservative.

You know, John McCain saying I’d rather win in Iraq and lose the election.

He showed his manhood.

Not like that spineless coward tax evading scumbag Harry Reid, sucking off the MoveOn people with a bunch of meaningless, pointless America harming rhetoric.

Real brave.

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By getalife

April 19, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

Please, Imus pimped Lieberman and McLiar.

Hated the Iraq war but most sane people do.

It is the hate that the netroots want to stop not Media Matters.

They just posted examples of the hate from RW radio.

By Buy Danish

April 19, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

Ruth,

I forgot to mention that Harry Reid (D) Nevada voted witht the majority in Congress to ban the procedure, but is now feigning outrage over the Supreme’s decision.

I assume that you are a Useful Idiot like most of the Democrat(ic) Party and bought his disgraceful pandering hook, line and sinker.

How does it feel to be fooled by a bore like Harry Reid? I can only imagine how gullible Dems would be if they had someone with a personality in a position of power to seduce them with their lies.

The thought is rather frightening.

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

This is going to sound crazy, but I need some help from a liberal.

It seems I don’t know enough about the liberal mind to figure this one out. I realize libs deal only in emotion and blind rage. I realize that history starts hourly for them allowing them to change positions on a dime. I know they lash out at people of faith, but then doggedly adhere to their faith in completely unfounded theories. So I don’t need your assistance explaining that.

What I need your help on is explaining why rushncap and Blackadder are constantly fantasizing about my penis. I know rushncap has a make believe sex life, but he talks about girls and Playboy so you would think his paper partners are female. Blackadder has claimed to have a wife I believe. Now I’m also not sure what a liberal considers a wife so it could be the seat he’s had his butt planted in for 274,000 miles.

The only thing I can think of is that a liberal male gets really turned on be being dominated, so let me know if their fantasizing about my penis is some other inborn liberal trait.

Thanks!

By @@

April 19, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

From a “reforming liberal”.

E-N-V-Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s it RW. I just stated that I envy the clear thinking of conservatives.

Liberal E-N-V-Y……………

By getalife

April 19, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this

GNR doing the right thing.

Wow, you are a fan.

“America harming “

I would debate how w has harmed America but I know who I am talking to.

The buck stops over there, those evil liberals.

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

April 19, 2007 7:11 PM | Link to this

@@,

Thanks! Who knew penis envy would come from people that in theory have one, albeit without balls.

By @@

April 19, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this

You’re welcome RW.

Your (a conservative’s) brain.

Getalife’s (a liberal’s) brain on drugs complete with “green envy” at the top of their errrrr agenda?

What the heck are all those bumps on yours Getalife? The bumps you liberals encounter in life?

In your case it would be the “bumps & grinds” you encountered through life.

Goodnight!