Mike Luckovich

By Not Dull

April 17, 2007 8:02 AM | Link to this

[Rove, Wolfowitz and Gonzales are making the last-ditch argument of a cheating husband caught in flagrante: Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/16/AR2007041601412.html?hpid=opinionsbox1}

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 8:02 AM | Link to this

I just can’t believe amidst all of the shock, horror and grief of the Virginia Tech tragedy, with all the personal devastation to families and individuals alike, that Mike Luckovich can show a sickening, utter lack of respect, to demean the suffering of real people, by dragging his Bush insanity into this.

It’s a sure undeniable sign that you liberals are sick in the head, ask any professional, nothing in your life can be divorced from thoughts of the president of the United States?

How disgusting.

(I believe a non political heartfelt moment of silence is appropriate right now.)

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

{{{Fred Thompson is a member of the advisory committee for the Libby Legal Defense Trust, which supports Dick Cheney’s former chief of staff who is appealing his perjury conviction. Thompson told Wallace if he were president he would pardon Libby immediately: “This is a trial that never would have been brought in any other part of the world. This is a miscarriage of justice.”}}}

A man out to win my heart.

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A “man” out to make me sick:

{{{Speaking the same day that the Iraqi Parliament met in courageous defiance of terrorists who are trying to strangle their democracy in its cradle, Democratic Sen. Reid held a news conference to excitedly tell reporters how his party is benefiting politically from the violence in Iraq. Citing what he called “compelling and astounding” polling data, this was Sen. Reid’s distasteful prediction. “We’re going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war.” That’s right. “We’re going to pick up Senate seats as a result of this war.”}}}

Someone who would risk our soldier’s lives, risk the freedoms of 25,000,000 Iraqis, so that they can score some stupid political points.

How disgusting.

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This is what a country is reduced to when it can’t find a lot of actual racism to justify a continuing struggle against racism. The revolution has many enemies and some are so well hidden that they themselves thought they were loyal citizens, so the purges must continue. The only other alternative would be to declare the struggle over and move on to a different problem — one that might not bring back groovy memories of the sixties and prop up an aging establishment of professionally offended shakedown artists.

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By Mrs. Godzilla

April 17, 2007 8:16 AM | Link to this

My thoughts and prayers are with all the victims and their families.

What happened in Blacksburg most certainly an act of Terrorism.

By Disgusted

April 17, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this

Once again Cartoon twit has proved that he is a man of poor taste, poor judgment and low IQ. Today’s cartoon should be an embarassment to every person who subscribes to this paper and all of its staff. However, most of you will blindly support him because he supports your warped world view. Mr. Luckovich, I only have one thing to add - I hope you suffer.

By Scooter

April 17, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

No comment.

By Paul Whiteley Sr.

April 17, 2007 8:25 AM | Link to this

Mike Luckovich’s cartoon is “right on.” President Bush tries to justify our staying in Iraq by continuing to say if we leave before we achieve a victory, the terrorists will follow us to America. He says we are fighting them there so we won’t have to fight them here. There is no way we can keep all terrorists from coming here and committing terrorist acts. The horrible tragedy at Virginia Tech shows how vulnerable we are. The longer we stay in Iraq the more determined enemies we are creating.

By Nomad

April 17, 2007 8:32 AM | Link to this

Another glaring example that ML, like most liberals, has no contact with reality. However, the powers that be continue to reward him for his incompetence. They even reward Cynthia Tucker for her incompetence too. Just keeps them going. How sad.

My prayers are with those who have lost loved ones.

NOMAD

By Kinja

April 17, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this

Bad form ML, just plain wrong. Can everybody put the political slants away for one damn day, OK?

By Peter

April 17, 2007 8:42 AM | Link to this

The violence at Virginia Tech yesterday highlights extremes in American culture.

The bloody carnage on the campus is shocking and decried from the streets to the White House while we are encouraged by the Bush Administration to dismiss staggering casualty numbers in Iraq.

I have to question the capability of gun advocates who encourage the proliferation of weapons across the country and a Bush Administration that advocates the invasion of Iraq and prolonged engagement to provide reasonable solutions to the deplorable status quo.

It is time for changes.

By George

April 17, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

Nomad, just because ML doesn’t have contact with YOUR reality doesn’t mean he doesn’t have contact with the world. If you continue to stay in your madeup reality where we are greeted as liberators then of course he will never see you there.

By Paul

April 17, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla

I prefer to distinguish criminal acts (crime) from “terrorism.” Terrorism indiscriminately targets innocents (as does crime) but the difference is to intimidate groups of people or societies to gain a religious, political or social advantage.

On another topic, I thought you might be interested, the Dalai Lama is going to appear at Rice University on May 1, speaking on “The Meaning of Compassion in Everyday Life.” I went online to get tickets but they must’ve sold out in about ten minutes. However, Rice is good enough to webcast the talk. Here’s the information:

Link: Dalai Lama webcast

By w00t

April 17, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

LuckoDull, whatever, you’re the one constantly screaming about “how many were killed in Atlanta last night to how many were killed in Iraq”. You know you would have A LOT more credibility here if you stuck to one story. Instead you spin this one.

Hypocrite.

PS:

I had an interesting discussion with an Iraqi official who is close to Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. He made several intriguing observations. First, in their video conferences, Maliki and Bush do not really communicate. The official also noted that in his discussions with visiting members of Congress there is really not much dialogue, with both sides giving canned presentations. Second, the U.S. military and State Department do not really work well together and General George Casey would complain to Iraqis about the former U.S. Ambassador to iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad. Third, the insurgency got started when the Americans failed to take control after the overthrow and the Iraqis realized that the American military was not invincible–that is, its soldiers were human beings who displayed the full range of emotions, including fear. Fourth, do not believe anyone who tells you that the situation is getting better.

By gadem

April 17, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this

It is truly sad what happened at VA Tech…Paul, in my opinion terrorism can come in many forms. This crazed gunman used death to terrorize the school. He acheived his objective and then killed himself…he was a coward in my opinion. Stay around and face the consequences of his actions. Anyway the cartoon is a tribute to those that lost their lives. Meaning that there are more pressing needs here on the homefront…

By @@

April 17, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this

Yesterday’s media reporting on the Virginia Tech tragedy left me confused as to what was unfolding and the final count of families and friends who were left devastated.

I was on this site joking around with some posters while the tragedy unfolded.

It wasn’t until I watched the news after closing that I realized the human toll. I went to bed feeling very guilty for what appeared, on here, to be my lack of concern.

For that, I apologize.

I had no idea………

By Mrs. Godzilla

April 17, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

Paul,

While you have the right to think however you wish….the definition of terrorist does not require the intimidation of “groups of people or societies to gain a religious, political or social advantage.”

I suspect those 33 souls were intimidated and that the shooter thought he was gaining some (albeit, sick) advantage.

By KZ_ Guy

April 17, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this

Right On ML. If we pull out of Iraq the Sunni & S** terrorists will swim across the ocean and kill each other in the streets of America. Yea right. If you don’t like ML’s toons why do you continue to read the AJC?

By Paul

April 17, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla

I just find it helpful in a discussion to define terms where ambiguity exists. Knowing a person defines “terrorism” as any violent act where the victims feel fear or intimidation is helpful, as is knowing another person looks at legal definitions (defined by US government agencies, EU, other governments) and incorporates the military/political genesis of the term and implications for entire countries or societies.

By Peter

April 17, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

So your threshold of concern for other people’s tragedy is a dozen or more? Less than that is a joke?

I sensitivity is remarkable.

By George

April 17, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

Hey Dull, I see that Cynthia Tucker won a Pulitzer Prize for “courageous, clear-headed” commentary.

When are you going to get one for your daily drivel.

By ML

April 17, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this

I bet Bush hired the gunman so that he (Bush) could get the IRAQ war out of the news for a week or two. After all, I didn’t hear anything about Imus this morning. Slow new day. Get over it and move on.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

Oh please wingnuts,

Save your fake outrage, not a peep of the slaughter in Iraq but cheering on that tragedy.

By Paul

April 17, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

Peter

It has nothing to do with sensitivity or concern. It has to do with what is meant by a term. To say someone doesn’t feel compassion for a woman because the perpetrator was charged with “assault” rather than “attempted rape” misses the point entirely.

I find “terrorism” applied to many situations in the media - I read one where a school suspended an elementary-school boy for “terrorist acts.” If anything, I find that demeaning to victims of “actual” terrorism. The definitions I referred to are used within a legal framework and were adopted by the US Military, the European Union, as well as some individual countries. Common elements abound. The UN has not provided a definition.

While every terrorist act may be a violent criminal act, not every violent criminal act is a terrorist act.

By Mrs. Godzilla

April 17, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I’ll have to think about this…

“While every terrorist act may be a violent criminal act, not every violent criminal act is a terrorist act.”

The Department of State definition of terrorism supports the statement

but I am hesitant to allow the government to alter/adjust/parse the definition of an english word.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 9:37 AM | Link to this

“Seung Hui Cho, a permanent resident of the United States, a Korean national and a Virginia Tech student has been identified as the gunman in the shootings that left 33 people dead on the Virginia Tech campus Monday, ABC News has learned.”

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 9:40 AM | Link to this

The NRA should begin using the millions of $$$ collected in fees for psychological testing (monthly? yearly?) for those Americans who insist they have a “right” to carry semi-automatic weapons… what are semi-automatic weapons supposed to be used for if not for killing many humans quickly? Who should be able to carry semi-automatics in America?

Where’s the outrage from the gun-lovers that the 2nd Amendment doesn’t allow them to bear nuclear arms if they want to? Where’s the limit on what the “right to bear arms” means?

By Truthman

April 17, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

LuckoDull,

It must be Clinton’s fault somehow, eh!?! Your hatred of Bill and Hillary comes through every day!

I pity you!

Tu esta loco in la cabeza!!

By Paul

April 17, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla

I view terrorism as I’ve referenced it as one of the most horrible acts one can commit. I also find it horribly frightening when religious leaders advocate its use. To indiscriminately targets innocents, children, is to me one of the most evil acts that can be imagined. That said, it follows that the harshest punishments should be meted out to those who perpetrate such acts (those of you ready with a diatribe against the Bush administration and the military - please can it). So when I say “terrorist” there’s no doubt about the seriousness with which I view it and how it’s a category apart from other horrid acts of violence or intimidation that occur.

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 9:43 AM | Link to this

{{While every terrorist act may be a violent criminal act, not every violent criminal act is a terrorist act.}}

Uber, please explain to us why we call the hijackers on Sept. 11 “terrorists” instead of “criminals”, and how does that differ from what the lunatic did yesterday at VA Tech…

By getalife

April 17, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this

Watched a great special on Irag on Public broadcasting last night:

“AMERICA AT A CROSSROADS Warriors/Operation Homecoming: Writing The Wartime Experience (#102) “Warriors” profiles a handful of Army soldiers filmed during the Spring and Fall of 2005 in some of the most dangerous areas in and around Baghdad.”Operation Homecoming: Writing the Wartime Experience” is a documentary that explores the searing firsthand accounts of American troops through their own words — fiction, verse, letters, essays and personal journals.”

Our troops are doing a great job and will make you proud in this documentary.

The Iraqis are not standing up and not helping.

By Paul

April 17, 2007 9:49 AM | Link to this

Goldie

My perspective only - a lone person, independent, acting alone, anger with girlfriend/whatever, taking out his anger against others (as in drunk father, upset with work, who beats his kids) as opposed to members of a group with ideological, military or political objectives, who seek to garner attention and cause intimidation and fear by targeting unarmed, innocent civilians, in order to cause their enemy to capitulate and attain their ideological goals.

That was very brief - but I trust it incorporated the elements -

By @@

April 17, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Peter:

I’m assuming that your 9:12 was addressed to me.

My knowledge of the shooting until late, very late, was that there were wounded, and the gunman had been apprehended.

I was working yesterday afternoon, and believe me, in my workday, there is NO time allowed to watch T.V., follow news reports, or even communicate with other adults.

Again, my apologies. Sorry that wasn’t enough for you.

I’m off this board, and won’t be back today.

By Paul

April 17, 2007 9:51 AM | Link to this

Goldie

Just reread your post - another differentiating element is the Sep 11 hijackers were part of a group with a common ideology and objectives who had declared war against their enemy.

By Mrs. Godzilla

April 17, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

Paul,

No matter what “category”, I view all violent acts seriously.

31 humans at VT Monday or 45 in Baghdad on Sunday.

By Truthman

April 17, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

You are a true patriot!!

Keep it up!

TM

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

ML,

This cartoon belongs in the Hall of Shame, along with “Pot to Kettle” aka “Book on Torture”.

LuckoDull,

Great comments.

{{{Anyway the cartoon is a tribute to those that lost their lives.}}}

Gadem,

This cartoon is what liberals consider a “tribute”?

@@,

There is nothing to feel guilty about. It takes a while to make sense of events like these and move from an intellectual response to an emotional one as the tales of horror and heroism unfold and our hearts fill with sorrow.

Getalife,

Please, save us your fake outrage for the carnage in Iraq. If you really cared you wouldn’t be so eager to abandon the Iraqi people without any concern for their welfare.

It is absolutely disgusting of you to state that we are “cheering on” what is occurring over there.

Paul,

You are correct in how you define terrorism.

By Truthman

April 17, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

You are a true patriot!!

Keep it up!

TM

By Midori

April 17, 2007 9:59 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

{{{{Oh please wingnuts,

Save your fake outrage, not a peep of the slaughter in Iraq but cheering on that tragedy.}}}}}} aren’t they hilarious? and oh so transparent?

the gnashing of teeth!!

the fake “outrage”!!!

what heaping piles of sh*t!!

By Paul

April 17, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

Mrs G 9:52

Well said. Which is why I’m looking forward to the May 1 webcast.

By Paul

April 17, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish

Thanks. I also think it’s okay to agree to disagree -

By getalife

April 17, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

BD,

You cheer on the daily murders in Iraq so save your fake outrage.

No outrage for Iraq.

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

{{{By George April 17, 2007 9:21 AM Hey Dull, I see that Cynthia Tucker won a Pulitzer Prize for “courageous, clear-headed” commentary. When are you going to get one for your daily drivel.}}}

Georgie Girl: It figures a little queenie like you would need this explained; I’m not a pinko® nor do I sit around all day incoherently babbling about Bush this, Bush that, Bush is the root of all evil, blah blah, blah, like you libs do.

If I did, I would have probably won two or three pulitizers by now.

Duh.

Care to show me a Conservative that’s won one lately, huh, huh?

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By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century

April 17, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

-=-

Good Morning Viet Iraq’——-

Britain no longer to use the term “War on Terroris”. It’s soo passe’

So the British have come back to reality. Now if only the USA would or could.

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What qualifies as Terrorism? You have to be kidding me!

What qualifies as terrible death would be a better question.

Whether it’s 3000+ people dying in the World Trade Center, or 32 college kids dying in Virginia, or thousands of Iraqi’s dying in Iraq, it is still a terrible thing. A horrible thing. A tragedy!

Cheers —

Thomas/PNAC

By Truthman

April 17, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

That’s right!!

Congratulations to Cynthia Tucker! A great columnist and quite the hottie, too!!

TM says two thumbs up!!

By getalife

April 17, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

Yes, congrats to Cynthia.

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

I think the words “were part of a group with a common ideology and objectives” also apply to the 2nd Amendment interpreters who twist the words to suit themselves. What’s to stop the 2nd Amendment terrorists from arming themselves with nukes and bombs? Don’t they have a “right” to do that, if they choose to interpret those words to suit their needs?

What was the original intent of the 2nd Amendment, and didn’t it have everything to do with keeping armed militias (like the Brits) from taking over Americans’ homes?

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

Nash’s example suggests that if Attorney General Alberto Gonzales is at risk of losing his job in the flap over the firings of U.S. attorneys, New York Sen. Chuck Schumer might be at risk of losing his mind. He and his fellow Democrats leap from one hypothesis of wrongdoing to another, all in the service of their grand paranoid theory: that Karl Rove orchestrated the firings for nefarious reasons yet to be determined.

Cowards.

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By reebok

April 17, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

Heartfelt prayers and best wishes to all those at V-Tech…the lives lost, and the loved ones left behind. Sickening that the Accidental President will no doubt rush to score political points on the graves of these young people…looking all sincere and stricken…even as he is directly repsonsible for the deaths of 3,282 young Americans because he felt the need to blow up somebody after 9-11.

I also personally thought this cartoon was kind of muddled…is the point that the world is a dangerous place? Or that terrorists come in all types? Or that the Iraqi insugents aren’t ‘terrorists’ any more than this V-Tech student was? It looks like a knee-jerk, poorly though out effort to be topical…or maybe I’m just not insightful enough to get the nuance of the cartoon.

Also, congrats to C Tucker on her tremendous honor.

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this

I don’t see much difference between what Tim McVeigh or Eric Rudolph did and what the terrorist did yesterday at VA Tech… they all were using their weapons for killing indiscriminately and killing as many as they possibly could, and to fulfill some insatiable need to kill. That’s using fear and terrorism to make some perverted point.

What should we do about our home-grown American terrorists who are in our midst at school and work?

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

{{another differentiating element is the Sep 11 hijackers were part of a group with a common ideology and objectives who had declared war against their enemy.}}

Pretty much describes the NRA, too.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

I would not be surprised if this guy found his girlfriend with another man and flew into a jealous rage.

By JNH

April 17, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Congratulations to Cynthia! It’s great to have a ‘voice of reason.’

By Rev. Jim Jones

April 17, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Goldie asks:

What should we do about our home-grown American terrorists who are in our midst at school and work?

I think I’ve got an idea…

By Disgusted

April 17, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Goldie - re your 10:21 post: Ask yourself that same question!

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

You are a shameless liar.

Here’s an opportunity to prove me wrong. Find ONE post from me that backs up your completely unfounded assertion.

Mrs. Godzilla,

This was a “terrorist” act on a college campus.

Unless there was a political motive for the carnage at Virginia Tech, it was mass murder and not terrorism.

By Lasic surgery

April 17, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Truthman - you need glasses.

By Bipartisan scandals?

April 17, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

You are a liberal’s scandal Mike. Today you score a BIG FAT ZERO loser.

By Paul

April 17, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Goldie 10:15

That’s a debate I generally avoid. Jack Anderson wrote a book about 15 years back about the NRA. What I recall is that both sides were happy to keep the issue going but backed off before anything broad ever made it to the Supreme Court. Rather like a high stakes poker game. If you want to keep on playing, don’t call the hand, cuz when it’s over, it’s over.

Near as I can recall, most Federal appeals courts reject the idea of “milita” as “any citizen” (with the notable exception of the appeals court in DC). As one reads through the Constitution, one reads the word “militia” many times, not just the one time quoted in the Second. Somehow, I don’t believe many gun owners who cite the Second would be too happy to extrapolate that citation to the understanding they’re part of a “militia” that can be called by the authority of the Executive and pressed into service - now, there’s a way to cut down on the deployments of National Guard and Reserve forces!

You really enjoy opening Pandora’s Box, don’t you?

By steve-o

April 17, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Truthman,

@ 10:11 I couldn’t have said it better.

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

{{{By Goldie April 17, 2007 10:24 AM {{another differentiating element is the Sep 11 hijackers were part of a group with a common ideology and objectives who had declared war against their enemy.}} Pretty much describes the NRA, too.}}}

Comparing the National Rifle Association to the 9/11 hijackers.

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Uh, yeah.

Kinda let’s you know just how hysterically out of control these liberals really are.

And how we should be ignoring them on Iraq, “global warming,” and all the other contrived insanity that they babble incoherently about.

When they wail, just politely look the other way.

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By Mrs. Godzilla

April 17, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish

You are, in my humble opinion, half right.

I believe, mass murder is terrorism.

As Paul has accurately pointed out, it does not fit the US Government definition. It does however fit Merriam-Webster.

Peace

By Truthman

April 17, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

It’s “Lasik,” not “Lasic.”

Back to grammar school for you!

By George

April 17, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Dull, very few Conservatives win Pulitzers because very few Conservatives can separate fact from fiction. Don’t expect a prize for living in your own dream world.

By Augusta resident

April 17, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

The VT student on the left was one of the first shot Mr. Luckovich.

I do not appreciate your use of this tragedy in your political satire.

Shame on you.

By Guy Pinestra

April 17, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

The National Rifle Association is equivalent to the 9/11 hijackers?

Ooooooookay…

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

A well regulated Militia… mi·li·tia
n. 1. An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers. 2. A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency. 3. The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.

…being necessary to the security of a free state… necessary = needed security = safety free = unbound

…the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

right = unfettered access people = you and me keep = possess bear = carry infringed = violated

You’ll take my guns only after I’ve emptied them in the general direction of your dictatorial A$$!

By SarahConnah

April 17, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

The horror at Virginia Tech was highlighted by the visions of Bucharoo Bush with his empty gaze expressing an emotion he knows nothing about: Compassion for victims of madness.

Bless you Hokies everywhere!

Curtsie!

By Oppie

April 17, 2007 11:35 AM | Link to this

Hey, GuY Pinestraw,

Wanna buy some loose nukes?

I know a guy that can get yellow cake from Nigeria…..

How about shoulder fired depleted uranium tipped rocket launcher?

Buy one get one free.

You sound like just that kind of whacko.

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

The Merriam Webster on-line dictionary defines “terrorism” as “the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.”

What “coercion” was there at Virginia Tech?

In my opinion, these definitions are better than Webster’s, but in any case none of them define “mass murder” as “terrorism”.

The victims were no doubt “terrorized” and experienced “terror” before they died, but that does not make it “terrorism”.

This discussion of semantics is a good time to mention that Don Imus made a “hateful” comment, but it was not “hate speech” - a term I would personally like to have expunged from our lexicons.

For it to have been “hate speech” he would have had to “hate” the Rutgers basketball team, which is of course a ludicrous assertion.

I “hate” the way political correctness is distorting the meaning of words.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Where is your outrage over this BD?

or this:

“04/15/07 Reuters: 19 bodies found in Baghdad on Saturday

Police found the bodies of 19 people in various parts of Baghdad in the past 24 hours, police said

04/15/07 Reuters: 20 Iraqi troops and policemen abducted A group linked to al Qaeda said it abducted 20 Iraqi troops and policemen and demanded the release of all Sunni women held in Iraq’s prisons, according to a Web statement

04/15/07 Reuters: 4 killed by suicide bombers in Mosul Four people, including two Iraqi soldiers, were killed and 16 wounded when two oil trucks driven by suicide bombers exploded outside a military base in the northern city of Mosul, police said.

04/15/07 AP: Suicide bomber kills 5, wounds 11 in northwest Baghdad a suicide bomber blew himself up on a minibus in northwest Baghdad, killing at least eight people and wounding 11, police and hospital officials said.

04/15/07 AP: 37 die as car bomb hits near Iraq shrine A car bomb blasted through a busy bus station near one of Iraq’s holiest shrines Saturday, killing at least 37 people, police and hospital officials said.”

Mass murder everyday in Iraq.

Do you get it now?

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

{{{By George April 17, 2007 10:48 AM Dull, very few Conservatives win Pulitzers because very few Conservatives can separate fact from fiction. Don’t expect a prize for living in your own dream world.}}}

Uh-huh:

Republicans seem to believe that if they lost an election, somebody cheated. That delusion has not only led them to chase after unsubstantiated rumors of fake voters but also to put in place unconstitutional restrictions at the ballot box. Harsh voter ID laws have already suppressed voting by people of color around the country.-Queen Pinko, Urinal

Would anybody else like to weigh in on which political party it was that has done nothing but allege voter fraud, at least up until the point they won an election?

Haha, talk about a dream world.

And little queenie Georgie girl just nods her little head up and down, likr the blooming idiot she is.

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By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

What is going on in Iraq is “terrorism”. Terrorism has an ideological, religious or political basis.

Do you enjoy perpetuating a “well-defined” image as a complete dunce?

By Blackadder

April 17, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

Today’s OTHER carton that doesn’t suck

By Scooter

April 17, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

As the liberals attempt to portray conservatives as cold and mean spirited ,and Getalife continues, I would like to ask where was their compassion?

“More than 600,000 Iraqi children have died due to lack of food and medicine and as a result of the unjustifiable aggression (sanction) imposed on Iraq and its nation.”

Oh yeah, it is all about delivering blind criticisms when any opportunity presents itself and narrowing ones view to the short term.

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

By Blackadder

April 17, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

Typical wingnut post:

attempt to ridicule liberal’s position

apply misinformation/outright lie

insult liberal

repeat

Sorry I can’t stick around. Too busy this week.

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

{{{By getalife April 17, 2007 11:39 AM Mass murder everyday in Iraq Do you get it now?}}}

Who is doing the killing in Iraq dimwit?

Why do you think we are fighting them?

Besides which:

{{{The number of bodies found this month in Baghdad – most of them shot and showing signs of torture – has dropped by nearly 50 percent to 494 as of Monday night, compared with 954 in January and 1,222 in December, according to figures compiled by The Associated Press.}}}

WTF?

Who’s side are you on?

Al Qaeda’s?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

LuckoDull,

Brilliant post @ 11:43.

Cynthia Tucker is in perfect company with Pulitzer winners Walter Duranty and Janet Cook.

AND

Here is the Weekly Standard’s recap of Duranty’s willfull falsehoods.](http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/791vwuaz.asp?ZoomFont=YES)

More to come. I’d post it all here but the Pulitzer Prize winning AJC’s server won’t permit it.

By Guy Pinestra

April 17, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Oppie,

Did I say I wanted loose nukes, yellowcake or DU weapons?

Ummmm. No, I didn’t.

Only a whacko could compare the two.

“Study after study shows that increasing gun control laws leads to an increase in crime rather than a decline.”

You can read about it here

By getalife

April 17, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

I post my outrage everyday about the Iraq slaughter.

Wingnuts cheer it on.

Nuff said.

By ron

April 17, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

Luckovich, A simple page edged in black with the words Virginia Tech,April 16,2007 would have been much nicer.

By Just sayin'

April 17, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

The liberals can’t separate what is going on in Iraq with what happened at VT… Good grief, what a bunch of loons!!

Will they take any opportunity to score political points?

Just look at Luckovitch cartoons-

Pathetic and sad really.

Condolences to the VT family and friends.

By Little Right of Center

April 17, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Goldielocks, (9:40)

You are correct, there should be no restrictions on what type firearm I can own. If I want to own a SAM I should be able to. UNTIL I misuse it and cause an unjustified death.

Let the flames begin!!

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

{{{By getalife April 17, 2007 12:04 PM I post my outrage everyday about the Iraq slaughter.}}}

Blah, blah, blah.

You trying to win a pulitizer too dimwit:

Chronicle of the atrocities committed by Saddam Hussein: Hussein’s regime killed, tortured, raped and terrorized the Iraqi people and its neighbors for over two decades. Hundreds of thousands of people died as a result of Saddam’s actions.

Which, of course, was met with a wall of lib silence.

You have no credibility left as an American, why even bother?

From now on, I call you al-Gitmo.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Scooter

April 17, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

Getalife, I know you post your opportunistic “outrage” daily, but; you focus that “outrage” on your own country. While blaming your own country you gloss over events and occurrences that are at least as outrageous and committed by others.

Point in case, liberals act upset about our liberation but seem complacent to let the Oil for Food Program continue pillaging the food from starving children. You ignore the portions of the Duelffer Report that stated Saddam had corrupted the monitoring program and had every intention of reconstituting his WMD programs after his corruption eroded sanctions. Or, do you really believe the UN (in all its glory) had changed Saddam’s intentions, perhaps you think the UN was going to stay there forever?

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

Well, well, well.

The evil mass-murderer at Virginia Tech didn’t like “rich kids” and “debauchery”.

I wonder how many Leftist professors he had to fill his mind with class warfare and anti-American propaganda.

Going back to the Pulitzers, if anyone is wondering whether the Pulitzer Committee retracted Duranty’s prize, the answer is…no.

Even the New York Times admits their own errors but sort of half-heartedly admonishes the Pulitzer Board for not rescinding the award.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

I am on the majority of American people’s side Andy.

The ones that know right from wrong.

w’s slaughter for oil is dead wrong.

May God have mercy on your soul.

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Moonbat alert!

It’s Charlton Heston’s fault!

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

{{{By getalife April 17, 2007 12:14 PM w’s slaughter for oil is dead wrong.}}}

al-Gitmo, Kook: When do you reckon we’ll start getting this oil?

(Own up to his babble, majority. Are y’all as crazed as he is? Do you pay tribute to the deaths of 32 innocent people by drawing a disrespectful cartoon slandering the president?)

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By JOHN DICKERSON, MARIETTA

April 17, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

I AGREE WITH MR. LUCKOVICH. WHAT ABOUT THE THREE ALABAMA LADS WHO BURNED DOWN SEVERAL BLACK CHURCHES? AREN’T THEY TERRORISTS? WHY SHOULDN’T THEY BE SHIPPED OFF TO GUANTANAMO?

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Save your insincere prayers for your secular progressive friends.

Who the hell do you think you are to preach to us about right and wrong?

You sound like a freaking Islamist.

By Randy

April 17, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

You’re hiding your liberal compassion in the bushes I see Mikey. What else do you do back there jerk?

By RE

April 17, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

from the CDC on gun crimes

A firearm was reported to have been involved in the deaths of 1107 children; 957 (86%) of those occurred in the United States. Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20%, as suicides; 22%, as unintentional; and 3%, as intention undetermined. The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 countries combined (1.66 compared with 0.14) (Table_1). The firearm-related homicide rate in the United States was nearly 16 times higher than that in all of the other countries combined (0.94 compared with 0.06); the firearm-related suicide rate was nearly 11 times higher (0.32 compared with 0.03); and the unintentional firearm-related death rate was nine times higher (0.36 compared with 0.04). For all countries, males accounted for most of the firearm-related homicides (67%), firearm-related suicides (77%), and unintentional firearm-related deaths (89%). The nonfirearm-related homicide rate in the United States was nearly four times the rate in all of the other countries (1.63 compared with 0.45), and nonfirearm-related suicide rates were similar in the United States and in all of the other countries combined (0.23 compared with 0.24).

By getalife

April 17, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

It is my country and I am ashamed of my government.

You want to talk about corruption, wait until you see the oil law if they can get enough people to show up to pass it.

The corruption in Iraq is worse, their security is worse, their infrastructure is worse and their government will collapse.

You keep posting about the oil for food corruption but you need to look at it now and stop ignoring this disaster.

Wake up Scooter.

By RE

April 17, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

I am not against gun ownership, I think that with freedom comes risk, and I am willing to accept those risks in return for the freedoms provided. But please do not try to make the case that a higher rate of gun ownership makes a society safer.

By Clyde

April 17, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

Has drunken Bushie made his photo op trip to Blacksburg yet? The trash that slaughters hundreds daily is going to shed a tear and invoke the name of God in West Virginia. And the neoconed masses will believe.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

BD,

Let me stoop to your level

By Get a map and a clue Clyde

April 17, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

Does drunken Clyde know that Virginia Tech is in Virginia, not West Virginia?

By Randy

April 17, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

SarahConnah - Curtsies won’t cover up your disdainful nature. Did you find the president’s emotions in your crystal ball?

Which party capitalized on Imus and his free speech? Which party will capitalize on the tragedy at Virginia Tech when they decide to rob us of our right to bear arms?

It has already started stupid. Look in your crystal ball and tell us when we’ll be under the boot of the dictatorial dems whydontcha.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

Speaking emotional.

Geez candy, you will still have the right to bear arms.

They might ban them on campus but doubt you are in college.

By IN THE NEWS

April 17, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

“Deletion” of Images in Afghanistan: Attempt to Cover Up Civilian Killings?

By IN THE NEWS

April 17, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

US Troop Deaths Up 21 Percent in Iraq

By Scooter

April 17, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Getalife, I’m wide awake thanks. I also read your link yesterday about the Oil Law. And from your link it said: The Hydrocarbons Law contains two fundamental provisions, the first governing how Iraq will distribute revenues from its 115 billion barrels of oil reserves—the second-largest after Saudi Arabia’s. The second provision will allow regional governments to negotiate production contracts with foreign oil companies.

So, we know Saddam in no way distributed oil revenues equitably and this law allows a representative government to distribute those revenues. Do you have a problem with that? Secondly, it said the Hydrocarbons Law allows REGIONAL GOVERNMENTS of Iraq to negotiate contracts with foreign oil companies. Is that the part you are told to have a problem with? If so, do you feel that no foreign oil companies, with their massive capital and expertise, should be allowed to negotiate a deal with the regional governments of Iraq?

Given your “outrage” I assume you were not blindly criticizing the high gas prices, right?

Did your sources of information express any “outrage” over the UN corruption? I’ll bet they didn’t.

Do your sources of information express “outrage” that Hezbollah still has not released those Israeli troops they kidnapped to start Israel’s most recent attack on Lebanon? I’ll bet they haven’t.

By Truthman

April 17, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/04/16/fairnessdoctrine/indexnp.html

Please bring back the Fairness Doctrine.

It was Ronnie Raygun’s dismantling of the Fairness Doctrine that has led to neo-con blowhards such as Lush and Vanity. Those douchebags don’t have to offer equal time for opposing viewpoints.

Hopefully, Lush will be the next to go.

Don’t cry, Luckodullllllll!

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 12:57 PM | Link to this

What should we call the Marines who did those terrorist acts in Haditha — are they terrorists or just mass murderers?

By IN THE NEWS

April 17, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

Anti-gay conservative Christians to protest at VA Tech funerals

By Ralph

April 17, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Luckobum: Re your 8:03, I think you picking your teeth out of your rectum will more likely “be appropriate.”

By Truthman

April 17, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Terrorists! They were ideologically brainwashed into believing that killing in The Chimperor’s name was noble and his “crusade” just!

Jesustan Forever!!

By getalife

April 17, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

No, he kept the lid on to the slaughter. He was bat sh-it crazy found in a spider hole.

No, their government will collapse.

I think they should use oil revenue to rebuild but it will be corrupted like your oil for food.

Yes, I am outraged over big oils record profits and high gas prices.

My sources want corruption prosecuted like lobbyists.

Yes, that war is over Hezbollah should release the prisoners and so should Israel.

Anything else I can answer for you?

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

“You are correct, there should be no restrictions on what type firearm I can own.”

I guess according to Way,Way Right @ 12:10, there should be no restriction on owning bomb-making materials either? Or do you just want to interpret your “right to bear arms” to only mean guns? Do you even draw a line anywhere as to what’s allowed for your “rights”?

By Truthsayer

April 17, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Okay Truthman - so you are for censorship. Because you do not like the fact that someone is successful, then you want to censor those views. That smacks of fascism or totalitarianism to me. There was nothing fair about the fairness doctrine because “news” shows were exempted and people like Waterhead Congripe and John Chancellor were allowed to peddle their liberal views uncensored and unchallenged. Like them or not, people like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are equal time. Nothing except old fashioned economics has prevented you liberals from having effective competition. The fact is that no one listened to (Sc)Air America and that is why it failed. If people stop listening to conservative talk radio it will go away because radio stations are in business to attract listeners and make money.

It all boils down to the fact that you are afraid of competing views. You also have an overwhelmingly liberal radio network financed by MY tax dollars - it is called NPR. You also have ABC, CBS, NBC, PMSNBC and CNN. It looks like you don’t want any competition at all. Scared are we?

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

How many of you gun-lovers claim that semi-automatic weapons were created for hunting animals???

I haven’t been involved in that argument for awhile.

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

For the Iraqi citizens who are living through VA Tech type of slaughters on a daily basis, have they been terrorized, or is this just “mass murder” occurring in their lives??? Every day…

By Randy

April 17, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this

getalife - Are you f*** Sarah moron? I wasn’t talking to you. Talking to a braindead idiot like you is a waste. You’re a waste and a Huff’nPuff mouthpiece. A useful tool to suck their dick. Every time I come in here you’re espousing some useless b****** with no foundation in truth.

FO getslow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Paul

April 17, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

RE 12:32

Muddying up the water with data, again?

I agree - emotion seems to rule on this topic. I think citizen ownership of firearms are a fact of life. The real debate shouldn’t be over extremes (ban guns vs. unfettered access) but upon what constitutes reasonable restrictions for the benefit of the citizenry. BTW - I put those restrictions pretty high.

Goldie 12:57

I believe they should be classified as “charged.”

If convicted, they’d be convicted criminals, known as murderers. Given they were part of a military force of a soverign nation operating under the jurisdiction of proper authority, subjected to the laws of their nation as well as international agreements, it would be improper to label them “terrorists.” It’s not exactly a moniker one picks up, discards, and picks up again when one or two facts of a case vary.

In my opinion -

By SarahConnah

April 17, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

President Crawford Cretin sez he and his Stepford dummy are going to Blacksburg today to represent the American people’s sorrow. Never truer words spoken by this pathetic Liar in Chief. He really does represent the sorrow of that besieges America and the world today, yesterday and tomorrow.

Curtsie!

By getalife

April 17, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

Calm down candy and stop hitting on me.

I love the ladies and know you want to fight women coward but I will be your huckleberry.

Allow me to stoop to your level

Now run along coward before I unleash the fury on your candy a-ss.

Punk.

By Scooter

April 17, 2007 1:24 PM | Link to this

No Getalife, that is it.

I did not know you were studied in production economics and the mercantile exchange, so that you have standing to be outraged over “record profits”. But hey, I learn something new everyday. I have learned that “journalist” are real good at selectively providing tiny bits of a highly complex issue to whip the public into an “outrage”.

I wasn’t my oil for food. I just choose not to gloss over it like some.

Saddam contained the slaughter? I see. Were his intentions to produce WMD’s changed by the UN’s authoritative sanctions? Me doubts it. Once sanctions were lifted and Saddam converted that dual-use technology it is likely he would have spread a new slaughter. Fortunately we are no longer sitting over here thinking the UN will defy its horrendous record and actually control a tyrant.

I have no doubt the libs will force the dems to exit Iraq prematurely, thereby ensuring the collapse of the government. Nor do I have doubts that humans, of any stripe, will not to some degree corrupt billions of dollars.

Unfortunately Getalife that war is not over, Israel is still there.

You know Getalife, I am not “outraged” by any of the deaths that occurred during the Spanish American War, or Civil War for that matter, are you?

By IN THE NEWS

April 17, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

It takes a hypocrite

By RE

April 17, 2007 1:26 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I heard an interesting idea on the topic of gun ownership. The idea that insurance should be required for gun owners just like with cars, boats… etc. I think that would be a nice market driven influence on gun ownership, what are the relative rates of crime using an AR15 vs a 12 gauge vs a glock. I am sure there would be several layers to making an actuarial table for gun owners, type of gun, age, past criminal records, Membership in NRA, gun sfaety, concealed carry… etc.

Just a thought.

By IN THE NEWS

April 17, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

Tom DeLay Compares Himself To Duke Students Falsely Accused Of Rape

By IN THE NEWS

April 17, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

Tax Day Silliness

By Just sayin'

April 17, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

“What should we call the Marines who did those terrorist acts in Haditha — are they terrorists or just mass murderers?”

Goldie, the day you and your friend’s vehicles are blown up in a war zone and then fired upon trying to render aid, you may be able to lay judgement.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

Glad I could help.

You have good points, more of then than now but thanks for keeping it civil.

I think their government will collapse before we leave and there will always be troops to protect the billion dollar embassy and the oil.

I am all out of outrages, there are so many.

Iraq is enough.

Sigh.

By Truthman

April 17, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this

I just want equal time for opposing viewpoints…something Lush, Vanity and Sewage don’t allow on their shows!!

The Fairness Doctrine, which came about in 1949, stated that radio and TV stations using the free spectrum of airwaves had to provide equal time for opposing viewpoints.

That way, you don’t end up with WSB-AM the way it is now; a “legacy” station with a very narrow demographic of listeners (except from 1-4 p.m. when Clark Howard is on the air) that does not serve the greater Atlanta area nor reflect its demographics or politics.

By Truthman

April 17, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

Hey Just sayin’

When were you there? Why is your opinion more important than “Goldie’s?”

Murfiter!!

(Murfiter - n. American slang: someone who sniffs the bicycle seats of girls and women).

By Paul

April 17, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

RE

And one with merit. Perhaps the profits from such a venture (along with hefty registration/annual renewal fees), after a return to the insurance industry equivalent to returns on other types of policies, could go to a pool for gun safety education as well as payment to victims, medical facilities, etc? (with limits on attorney’s fees, of course).

The strength of the lobby is indicated when Sen Kerry and Gov Romney both feel it necessary to raise the issue of their “hunting” in an election. As if a middle aged, educated, wealthy, white male, hunting some sort of varmint or game really says anything at all about the issue. Other than opening themselves up to meaningless criticism.

By Truthman

April 17, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Hey Just sayin’

When were you there? Why is your opinion more important than “Goldie’s?”

Murfiter!!

(Murfiter - n. American slang: someone who sniffs the bicycle seats of girls and women).

By RE

April 17, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

Hey Scooter,

Without getting too tinfoil hat on you, I still think about those energy task force meeetings with cheney back in 2001. If you look at how the US and UK oil companies profited since the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, there would be a definate motivation for the oil companies to want war and instability. As a global commodity, these wars have decreased production and supply, raising the price a great deal on all oil, including the US and UK based production that is relatively free of the threat faces by the Iraqi and Iranian oil.

I think of this as I am about to fill up my Chevy Avalanche with $2.97 gas.

When I bought it in 02 gas was $0.95, next vehicle is either a motorcyle or a hybrid.

By Randy

April 17, 2007 1:45 PM | Link to this

getalife - You can’t squat to pee without Huff’nPuff cutting you some slack on that leash they have around your scrawny neck.

You stoop to the level of defending terrorists here everyday so don’t come at me with your racist watermelon finger f*** a*****.

Stick a fork in it. You’re charred.

By Scooter

April 17, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

Getalife, you know I always keep it civil. That’s why I can’t hang around here too long. This blog is like a pickling jar for civility, one enters civil and subtle, and after a few weeks becomes bitter and tart. I have watched the pickling affects take hold of many people, from both sides of the issues, since this blog began. I personally like to do “the big pickle tickle” with my wife and don’t want to be so pickled that she doesn’t want to be tickled.

By LOCAL RECRUITER

April 17, 2007 1:47 PM | Link to this

Just Saying is blogging from Baghdad

By Paul

April 17, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

RE

May I suggest a Saab 9-5? Large interior and trunk, great safety features and record, responsive handling for those who enjoy driving, fantastic seats, and - a turbocharged large-bore four cylinder that returns 30 on the highway and mid 20s around town. The turbo gives one the economy of a four and more than enough power when you want it.

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Keep it up and even “dunce” will be too high a compliment for you.

I know you think that I get my talking points from Rush, but just for the record, the point that I made earlier about the Virginia Tech Terrorist having been brainwashed by liberal professors was just discussed on his show, initiated by another caller.

Cho Seung-Hui got his belief system somewhere. I’m betting on Leftist teachers and professsors.

As he was moved by politics and ideology to kill innocents I am changing my earlier assertion that he was a “mass murderer” and updating it to “terrorist”.

Goldilocks and RE,

How many guns were used on 9/11?

By Paul

April 17, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

Scooter

Ummm, are you sure is isn’t the “whole petite” pickle?

Sorry, all. It’s a guy thing.

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

Is there absolutely no criteria as for whom gun-owning rights should be refused? It’s OK with you loonies that psychopaths have the “right” to carry semi-automatic weapons?

A 23-year-old senior from South Korea whose creative writing was so disturbing that he was referred to the school’s counseling service was behind the massacre of at least 30 people locked inside a university classroom building in the deadliest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history, the university said Tuesday.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

Do unto others…….

If you are civil I am civil.

Take this character “candy” for example.

Not too civil and is still hitting on me.

This freak attacks women like a good little coward.

Run along candy a-ss. Go post on the HP they will will love you over there.

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

Paul,

What good is insurance going to do when guns are purchased on the street and have their serial numbers are erased from them?

Do you think that any criminal or sociopath with half a brain would buy a gun legally and pay insurance for it?

This focus on the gun and not on who the person is who did this is really misguided.

Getalife,

You have a hell of a lot of nerve commenting on “keeping things civil”.

You began the day saying this, and now have the unmitigated gall to try and claim the high road:

{{{By getalife

April 17, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

Oh please wingnuts,

Save your fake outrage, not a peep of the slaughter in Iraq but cheering on that tragedy.}}}

That is but one example of the trash you throw out here on a daily basis.

By Blackadder

April 17, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

The filmmaker, who attended last night’s screening at Yale, described it beforehand as a sort of murder mystery, using as its springboard the story of Dilawar, the young taxi driver who was apprehended by Afghan militia and turned over to the U.S. military at Bagram, where he was, in fact, eventually murdered. And that’s not hyperbole — the official coroner’s report lists the cause of death as “homicide.” (The film notes that out of more than 100 deaths in U.S. custody, 37 have been officially declared homicides by the U.S. military itself. Perhaps even more shocking is the fact that only seven percent of Guantanamo detainees were were actually apprehend by the U.S. military — the rest have been turned over by Afghan warlords, Pakistanis, bounty hunters, etc., any of whom may have had agendas having nothing to do with the American war on terror. Dilawar’s captor, for instance, turns out have been the person actually responsible for the rocket attacks of which the taxi driver was wrongly accused).

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

My bad. I pulled the wrong comment from Getalife. That one was just a general slur against conservatives. I meant to quote this one:

{{{By getalife

April 17, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

BD,

You cheer on the daily murders in Iraq so save your fake outrage.

No outrage for Iraq.}}}

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

What’s the reasoning (or lack of) used today for allowing Americans to purchase semi-automatic weapons? Is it just in case they come upon a whole bunch of deer in the woods and need to shoot them all?

By SarahConnah

April 17, 2007 2:03 PM | Link to this

Buckaroo Bush in Blacksburg = Photo Op

By Just sayin'

April 17, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

I guess getalife (gal) could now be nicknamed, what is it- NAG?

Ha Ha Ha

By getalife

April 17, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this

Well BD,

Just stating the facts but does not take nerve, just honesty.

I am sorry my honesty offended you.

By Paul

April 17, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish

I was discussing one aspect of the issue with RE. That does not mean anything not addressed is not important or should not be considered.

No solution/s will solve all the ills - their are multiple issues and multiple laws that need to be enacted and enforced (I’m surprised someone hasn’t jumped in with the “if they’d only enforce the laws already on the books” refrain. If anyone’s so inclined, please let us know which laws “they” aren’t enforcing).

The issue you raised is another aspect that should be addressed further.

Saying there are weaknesses in a requirement so nothing should be done (I did not understand you to say that, but some will) strikes me as taking “hands off” to prescription drug regulations because some will find a way to obtain drugs illegally. Off the top of my head, I’d be a bit draconian on on the violators you described.

By Daniel

April 17, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

BD: You are a desperate idiot. The reports from VT show this guy was a deeply disturbed loner. Your feeble effort to make a political statement from this tradgedy reveals desperation.

By RE

April 17, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

BD,

Where are you getting that this guy bought these guns on the street. The report that they found the reciept for one of the guns leads me to think that it was bought in a store.

I would not think a criminal or sociopath would get insurance for a gun, makes it a good reason to have insurance doesn’t it, it would keep the guns out of the hands of criminals if they are forced to get insurance.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

Just sayin,

Nag huh?

Well, I have been called worse but that was pretty lame.

This blog is about me now?

Wow, I am famous.

Geez.

By Scooter

April 17, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS, in regards to your tax day silliness link; did you know the FairTax eliminates all payroll taxes and also eliminates income taxes on all income up to the poverty level?

RE, sorry that is too conspiratorial for me. By that logic it would be a definite motivation for the big oil companies to fund the environmental groups that encumber drilling and refinery construction. After all, those actions limit supply and increase prices. Also, if Saddam had not BS’d us around in the UN Security Council for months and automatically said the inspectors could have unfettered access to all locations then the oil companies would’ve likely been SOL.

You know what RE, I still remember the event that first caused gas prices to jump over $2.00/gal. and that was a refinery explosion in Texas that killed some 15 people. Cross reference the chronology of that explosion with gas prices and you will see what I remember.

Paul, the only thing I know, is that I know darn good and well what I do with my pickle, and if I say I didn’t do something with it, that I did in fact do, then I am a liar. No ifs ands or buts about it, I know where my pickle has been (four at least the last seven years) and I would never tell America’s young girls that putting pickles in there mouths does not constitute pickle tickling.

By Just sayin'

April 17, 2007 2:15 PM | Link to this

Daniel, did you see your hero’s cartoon?

Or is it not political since he is the “funniest man in America”?

By Scooter

April 17, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

I’m out, but will peruse the blog at a later time.

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

RE,

{{{Where are you getting that this guy bought these guns on the street. The report that they found the reciept for one of the guns leads me to think that it was bought in a store.}}}

He didn’t, although he was not legally entitled to purchase a gun.

The point is that the more restrictions you put on legal gun purchases the more people will go underground to buy them.

{{{I would not think a criminal or sociopath would get insurance for a gun, makes it a good reason to have insurance doesn’t it, it would keep the guns out of the hands of criminals if they are forced to get insurance.}}}

WHAT???

Getalife,

I asked you earlier to point to ONE post that I have ever made that substantiates the falsehood you so recklessly made that I “cheer on the daily murders* in Iraq”.

It’s time to put up or shut up.

Daniel,

I’m referring to his own words. Okey dokey?

By getalife

April 17, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this

Later Scooter.

By Truthsayer

April 17, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

Truthman - you are still for censorship. You don’t like the fact that someone has opposing views. Rush has liberal callers on his show quite a lot. Hannity debates liberals on his show on a regular basis. Teri Very Gross on NPR most definetely is NOT fair to conservative guests and the liberals (by her own admission) get an easy time of it and outnumber conservative guests about 10 to 1. The fairness doctrine is also very outdated because of competition like satellite television and radio. The fact is you don’t like the competition. You’re scared that conservative views will win out in the marketplace of ideas. Sounds like Lenin or Hitler to me.

By Daniel

April 17, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

The cartoon links senseless violence. Is there something wrong with you? Do you blame the deaths in Virginia on a left leaning professor? Perhaps you should contact the victums families and tell them.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

Please BD,

Reading your posts once is enough.

Geez.

Daniel,

Cho left a long note in his dorm room.

Part of it was “you caused me to do this”. I thought it might be over a girl but the resident manager of the dorm was killed first, so I think it was built up over time with his classmates.

By Paul

April 17, 2007 2:24 PM | Link to this

Scooter

And with that, it’s time to put the jar back in the fridge!

By Daniel

April 17, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

What goes around, comes around. You see what you want to see, and disregard the rest. Perhaps, one more quote from a psychopathic gunman will bolster you.

By RE

April 17, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this

the more I think about it, the more liability insurance on firearms makes sense. Just like an 18 year old with a mustang GT would pay more than a 45 year old with a camry, the same should be with guns.

COnsider a 50 year old guy with a black powder rifle, now something like that has very little risk of being used in a violent crime. Compared to a 20 year old buying a glock, there is a lot more risk of that being used accidentaly or purposefully to injure another person. Or take a top and bottom skeet shotgun, almost no risk that would be used in a crime, very little chance of a stray bullet (well, shot) injuring anyone.

There is liability in this. Aside from the deaths caused, there is a large financial burden on the police forces, legal system, forensics…etc when a gun crime takes place, why should my taxes as a non gun owner subsidize the costs of gun owners?

By Truthman

April 17, 2007 2:34 PM | Link to this

If you believe 25 percent of the populace is more correct than the 75 percent who know the Chimperor is a lying war criminal, then you have my sympathy…wait a minute…no, you don’t!

By The other side of that coin

April 17, 2007 2:39 PM | Link to this

Why should my tax dollars subsidize

Global warming initiatives

Unjustified welfare

Stem cell research

Abortions

etc. etc. etc.

By Daniel

April 17, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

gal: We reap what we sow. People are slighted every day, usually they don’t whip out a gun and kill 32 people. We are a society steeped in violence. As long as we seek violent solutions to our problems we should expect to reap violence here at home.

By rondell

April 17, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

Luckovich’s cartoon headline says gunman kills SCORES at Virginia Tech. It would be more honest to say he kills DOZENS since a score=20. “Scores” implies he killed at least 40. But I guess “dozens” isn’t as sensational as “scores.” The tragedy is bad enough, it doesn’t need exaggeration.

By Shawny

April 17, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

blog way too long to read it all. Stopped at Goldie’d ridiculous statement about limiting handguns and had to respond.

The two guns that this wacko used were obtained ILLEGALLY. The serial numbers were scratched off. Blackmarket. Not through the waiting period, background check, purchase methods of normal citizens. Limit MY rights, and this idiot still gets his semis. You have effectively done nothing. I apologize if someone else already pointed this out. Not enough time to read. back to work

By getalife

April 17, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

Well, I think I was right the first time

He shot her first then the dorm manager.

By RE

April 17, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this

Which of those programs listed above is an individual item purchased by choice?

Ok, more broadly. Does a gun owner have responsibility for the way that gun is used? Who should pay for the damage caused from a gun crime?

By Flip that coin again

April 17, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

Why should my tax dollars subsidize

Endless legal appeals i.e. Brian Nichols

Three hots and a cot i.e. Brian Nichols

A failing government sponsored education system

Sex education in those same government schools

etc. etc. etc.

By Jesus

April 17, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Daniel

April 17, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this

gal: You usually are. Leave it to one of the right-wing whack jobs on this Blog to try to turn this tradgedy into a political lecture.

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 2:54 PM | Link to this

{{{By Truthgirl April 17, 2007 12:52 PM It was Ronnie Raygun’s dismantling of the Fairness Doctrine that has led to neo-con blowhards such as Lush and Vanity.}}}

Then he she turns right around and says this:

{{{By Truthman April 17, 2007 1:39 PM Hey Just sayin’ Why is your opinion more important than “Goldie’s?”}}}

We’re supposed to censor Rush but let liberals say what ever they want.

Oh, O.K.

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{{{By Goldie April 17, 2007 12:57 PM What should we call the Marines who did those terrorist acts in Haditha — are they terrorists or just mass murderers?}}}

Americans, Goldilocks, just like you. For good or bad, it is what it is. Worse things have happened in Atlanta, are you owning up to that?

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{{{By Ralph April 17, 2007 12:59 PM Luckobum: Re your 8:03, I think you picking your teeth out of your rectum will more likely “be appropriate.”}}}

Anytime you want to try and put them there, Sheila, just let me know.

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{{{By Goldie April 17, 2007 1:06 PM How many of you gun-lovers claim that semi-automatic weapons were created for hunting animals???}}}

Goldilocks: I like to keep fully loaded 30 round clips just in case 30 of you libs show up uninvited in my backyard.

Know what I mean?

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By Bigger question

April 17, 2007 2:55 PM | Link to this

Can you get blood out of a turnip?

I think not.

Too many turnips, too little time.

You figure it out RE.

Less government intervention for me.

More government intervention for you.

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this

Lying Getalife,

No, not one of my comments have ever said anything even approaching what you accuse me of.

No wonder Lying Joe Wilson is one of your heroes.

Truthiman @ 2:34,

Well, then if your delusional statistics are correct then we don’t need a fairness doctrine now, do we?

By Daniel

April 17, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

RE: Why should my tax dollars subsidize: An illegal war on Iraq, Right-wing bogus christian churches, No bid Halliburton/KBR Contracts, Wolfowitz, Blackwater and the rest? Your questions go to the nature of our society. The answer to the second is: Yes. While the answer to the third is: Maybe. 2 cents worth.

By B

April 17, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

I guess Luckovich couldn’t be bothered to wait on any facts before using the dead to attack the president.

By RE

April 17, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this

no, responsibility, personal responibility for me.

Not government interference, let the free market and courts work. Insure the dangerous items you own.

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

One gun packing student could have very well brought this whole episode to an abrupt end with one shot, saving scores of students lives, but we will never know because Clinton banned weapons on campus in 1996.

(If Bush gets blamed for everything, I’m talking about EVERYTHING, while he is president, then Clinton gets to suck this one up.)

Get your slimy pinko® hands of my weapons and put them back in your pants.

Sickos.

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By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 3:06 PM | Link to this

While snow piles up outside our windows, we may be hard-pressed to believe climate change is occurring, global temperatures are rising and the planet is on a crash course of serious change if greenhouse gas emissions are not reduced.

It’s a perfectly normal reaction for a sane human being to have doubts about nonsense like “global warming.”

Duh.

It all depends on whether you are in control of your feelings or not.

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By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

A true American hero:

“My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee,” Joe Librescu said in a telephone interview from his home outside of Tel Aviv. “Students started opening windows and jumping out.” Librescu was a Holocaust survivor who escaped communist Romania for Israel in 1978 and moved to Virginia in 1986. By coincidence, he was murdered on Holocaust Remembrance Day.

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

Hah, who says people don’t read my comments:

Cynthia Tucker of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, in a column deploring efforts against election fraud, makes this astonishing observation: “Republicans seem to believe that if they lost an election, somebody cheated… . Want to win elections? Try attracting voters instead of repelling them. Try new policies with broad appeal.” Does she really think Al Gore is a Republican?

Yeah.

Cowards.

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By SomeNYGuy

April 17, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

In honor of the dangerously unhinged, Kool-Aid drinking wingnuts who dominate this space, I suggest renaming this comments section “Jonestown.” Clearly, reality is not welcome here.

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

{{As long as we seek violent solutions to our problems we should expect to reap violence here at home.}}

Thank you, Daniel.

When someone says to the effect of “we have to start a war against those terrrrrists, because that’s all they understand”, then I would say, “no, that’s what YOU understand!”

By Truthman

April 17, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

Oh LuckoDullllllll,

You need another dose!

By RE

April 17, 2007 3:22 PM | Link to this

Interesting way to block the free market from working

Tort reform is government interference. It is now prohibited to seek damages from manufacturers or distributors. SO who ever sold that gun to Cho is immune from lawsuit, provided it was sold legally. All liability is put down upon the individual. Terribly irresponsible.

By Truthman

April 17, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

Oh LuckoDullllllll,

You need another dose!

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

GoldieDull,

Please advise who ever said “we have to start a war against those terrrrrrists, because that’s all they understand”.

Anything remotely approaching your paraphrasing will do.

btw, the WSJ reminds us today of this shooting that took place on another Virginia campus and how that one was stopped. Hint - it wasn’t from a peace march or from stiffer gun control laws.

By John Oxendine

April 17, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this

If anyone hadn’t noticed, RE is an insurance peddler.

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

So much for you Neo-Con trolls claiming that the VA Tech terrorist got his guns “illegally”:

Seung-Hui Cho bought his first gun, a 9mm handgun, on March 13 at a Roanoke, Va. gun store, the owner tells ABC News. John Markell, the owner of Roanoke Firearms, said today that he had been interviewed by three agents from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms about Cho’s purchase of a Glock 9 mm handgun.

Some of you trolls keep trying Oxycontin Limbaugh and Puffy Hannity’s method of “news”: just say anything you want long enough and maybe someone will believe it’s true. HA!

Bunch of lying maggots.

By Just sayin'

April 17, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

First we have Daniel:

“Leave it to one of the right-wing whack jobs on this Blog to try to turn this tradgedy into a political lecture.”

Then Daniel again:

{{As long as we seek violent solutions to our problems we should expect to reap violence here at home.}}

Then Goldie’s reply:

“Thank you, Daniel.

When someone says to the effect of “we have to start a war against those terrrrrists, because that’s all they understand”, then I would say, “no, that’s what YOU understand!”

Who’s turning this tragedy into a political lecture?

By getalife

April 17, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Jonestown indeed.

Not all bloggers here are members of the kooky cult.

There are some here in the majority.

By Shawny

April 17, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Stiffer gun control laws only work to the advantage of the black market salesman, as the price is raised. Kind of like drug dealers

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

Bumper stickers for today’s GOP:

“War, War, and More War!!!”

“Guns, Guns, and More Guns!!!”

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

RE,

Your idea of “personal responsibility” is really quite bizarre.

If a gun is used to save someone’s life, should we give the person who sold it a reward?

Have they prosecuted the people who sold boxcutters to the 9/11 hijackers yet? How about those fertilizer salesmen in Oklahoma City?

How about going after car dealers who sell cars to people who drive recklessly and ultimately kill people?

Maybe people who sell bathing suits should be held responsible if the people wearing them drown?

If you buy a meal containing meat at a restuarant and choke on it, should you sue the restaurant, the rancher, or the meat processor?

Shall I continue?

By RE

April 17, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

Virginia laws, no waiting period, no background check at gun shows or secondary sales

By RE

April 17, 2007 3:34 PM | Link to this

gun was bought legally in virginia

CBS News has learned that one of the guns used in the Virginia Tech massacre – the 9mm semi-automatic Glock 19 – was purchased brand new at a Roanoke, Va., gun shop, Roanoke Firearms, 36 days ago.

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 3:36 PM | Link to this

RE— thanks for that link @ 3:32. I’m sure there will be some loonies who claim that VA laws are perfect just the way they are.

By Daniel

April 17, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

Justsayin: Do you seek violent solutions to your problems? By the way, seeking a non-violent solution is politically neutral. Unless, of course, you’re into violence. Thinking is free. Why not try it?

By RE

April 17, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

BD, I will try to go slow here.

Box cutters are designed to cut boxes.

Fertilizer is designed to fertilize the ground

Cars are meant to drive people around.

Hand guns are designed to kill people.

By JNH

April 17, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this

Good observation Goldie (2:03PM). All thugs need AK47’s to hunt deer (those big dangerous critters about the size of a large dog).

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

{{One gun packing student could have very well brought this whole episode to an abrupt end with one shot}}

Dull, sounds like you need to write a letter to those parents of the Amish girls in Ohio — you know, to give your helpful suggestions to those who could really need it…

By It's a toss up

April 17, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

RE could be an ambulance chasing lawyer or a chronic whiplash victim.

Does Daniel contribute anything to a church? If he does, it’s called tithe and can’t be taxed. He wins and so does somebody in need. If he doesn’t, then it cuts down or should cut down on what he contributes to the needy. Less demand on the government coffers.

Your tax dollars to protect this country from enemies both foreign and domestic is both a privilege and an obligation, not a burden. You don’t get to pick your enemies. They pick you.

Your response shows your inability to appreciate what is done in your behalf to protect you and your loved ones.

You think it’s being done TO your behalf.

Your only recourse is to vote.

In the meantime, don’t undermine your country’s efforts to protect you.

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

Gosh, in retrospect, was defeating this gun legislation a good idea or a bad one?

Gun bill gets shot down by panel HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee

Yep, this Goldilocks solution really worked out well:

Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Some gun owners questioned the university’s authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus.//In June, Tech’s governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities.

By Just sayin'

April 17, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

Daniel, no.

You claim that some here are trying to turn this tragedy into a political lecture.

I’m simply showing that it is you.

By Daniel

April 17, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

Andy’s morphed again. He knows I won’t reply to his usual nonsense. But, nonsense is nonsense by whatever name he calls himself.

geez.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

“News reports also said that he may have been taking medication for depression, that he was becoming increasingly violent and erratic, and that he left a note in his dorm in which he railed against “rich kids,” “debauchery” and “deceitful charlatans” on campus.”

Geez.

By Daniel

April 17, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Is seeking a non-violent solution to a world problem politically neutral?

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

I do believe that “you reap what you sow” comes from the Bible… anyone? It’s not a “political” lecture, correct?

By GodHatesTrash

April 17, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this

Where are all the lazy stupid gunloving rednecks when someone starts shooting up a college?

On the janitorial staff. Oops! LOL!

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 3:50 PM | Link to this

Oh, excuse me! I meant @ 3:46 ^^^ that it’s not a “political” lecture for those normal Americans who know that politics and religion are not supposed to be mixed together in America! You rightwing loonies obviously don’t get that.

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

RE,

Apparently it hasn’t occurred to you that guns are also used in self defense and to save lives.

To use an old cliche’, guns don’t kill people, people do. The “personal responsibility” is with the person who uses the gun. Is that too hard for you to understand?

GoldieDullard,

Here’s your chance to give us your ideas on how to handle events like this. Feel free to “share” your solutions with us:

North African authorities say a wave of suicide attacks in Morocco and Algeria over the past week may be the first phase of an al Qaeda plot drafted in Sudan three years ago. The plan calls for a reign of terror, implantation of guerrilla units in mountain hideouts, a paralysis of Algerian oil supplies and of tourist resorts in Tunisia and Morocco, a senior North African official said.// Other officials said last week’s bombings in Algiers, which killed 33 persons and wounded 22, and a series of suicide explosions in Casablanca, Morocco’s main port, may signal the start of the campaign.//Algerian officials said the original plot called for the area known as the Maghreb, spanning Africa’s Mediterranean coast, to be plunged into a reign of terror reminiscent of the “decade of blood” waged by Islamic fanatics in Algeria in the 1990s, which claimed 100,000 victims.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

Yep Andy.

Just use “Andy” and stop playing silly games.

Grow up .

Geez.

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this

{{{politics and religion are not supposed to be mixed together in America}}

Goldie,

Really? Please tell Getalife to get in line and stop offering his phony prayers to those he disagrees with.

Thanks!

By getalife

April 17, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

BD,

Gee, I thought you wingnuts were religious.

Sorry if it offended you but Andy preaches all the time.

Andy too or just me?

Do tell.

By Kim Jung Andi

April 17, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

Doesn’t this shooting sound like something I would do?

Don’t worry. I’m a coward.

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

Reverend Getalife,

Al Sharpton was ordained at the age of 10. What about you?

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

When will America start solving its problems again or exploring new territories again? I have a feeling it won’t happen until sometime after the ‘08 elections… America is too divided to get anything done right now. We need new leadership that will unite Americans in solving its problems once again.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

My goodness BD,

I will pray for you.

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

Isn’t this just so rich and thick:

{{{By Goldie April 17, 2007 3:28 PM Bunch of lying maggots.}}}

Goldilocks calling someone else a liar, hahaha, puh-leeze.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.(<———Look, candy as-ses, a sure way to tell if it’s me or not. Duh.)

{{{By RE April 17, 2007 3:39 PM Hand guns are designed to kill people.}}}

Yeah, people that are trying to kill you or your family. Good point RE.

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{{{By HaterTrash April 17, 2007 3:48 PM Where are all the lazy stupid gunloving rednecks when someone starts shooting up a college?}}}

Yes, I too wish there had been a redneck there to bust a cap in that mofo’s head, instead of just a bunch of candy as-sed liberal teachers.

Cowards.

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By Guy

April 17, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this

This was the editorial cartoon from today’s Red and Black at UGA:

http://media.www.redandblack.com/media/storage/paper871/news/2007/04/17/Opinions/Editorial.Cartoon-2844542.shtml?reffeature=recentlycommentedstoriestab

A bit disturbing to say the least.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

BTW BD, you can call me getalife.

The name inspires doesn’t it?

By Goldie in the reflecting pond

April 17, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

Goldie, did we reap what we sowed on 9/11? Had you had a loved one at the WTTs would they have reaped what you sow?

Are the terrorists reaping what they sowed? Yes.

Are their innocent victims reaping what they sowed? No.

The only thing between the terrorists and their innocent victims is the might of the American military and the resolve of Americans to defeat their evil.

By IN THE NEWS

April 17, 2007 4:11 PM | Link to this

Conservative Nathaniel Blake at Human Events Online links positively to John Derbyshire’s post, then writes that the students at Virginia Tech should feel “heartily ashamed” for not acting more bravely

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

{{Goldie, did we reap what we sowed on 9/11?}}

So, Andy-Dull, according to your religion, only “some” people reap what they sow? Is that how it’s written in your Bible?

You big stupid jerk.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Your ugly character is showing again.

Please put that away.

Geez.

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

{{the might of the American military and the resolve of Americans to defeat their evil.}}

Dull-Jerk, you need to take your National Review-jacked pseudo-patriotic rhetoric garbage to some place that has no idea who you are — you’re too boring again! ZZZZZZ…

You big lying jerk-wad.

By jacksonwolff

April 17, 2007 4:16 PM | Link to this

I’m afraid I have to agree with BD today. If you outlaw guns, the only ones who will have them will be criminals. Now THAT’S a frightening though.

By Daniel

April 17, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Ok, I give up. I see I will never get an answer to my question from the right-wing. The right-wing is intellectually incapable of critical thinking. An innocent remark about “non-violent solutions” becomes political. Now, I see, it IS political for the right-wing; since violence is your solution for the world. Steeped in the inevitably of your thoughts; you can’t get out. Trapped in the smoke rings of your mind; critical thinking is impossible for you.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

Guy,

After the Iraq disaster, a toon is very harmless compared to that.

Geez.

By Wise Guy

April 17, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.

Votes don’t kill people, people who vote for Neo-Cons kill people.

By Just sayin'

April 17, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

I’m not Andy if that’s what you dimwits are saying.

“Is seeking a non-violent solution to a world problem politically neutral?”

Daniel,

Depends on the problem and if a non-violent solution actually exists.

By ronjazz

April 17, 2007 4:24 PM | Link to this

All of the rightards and conservatards on this board right now need to ask themselves why, after 6 years of repig rule, haven’t the gun-carry laws been changed? why is abortion still legal? Why is the church still rightly kept out of the government? You are very quick to call the students at VIRGINIA TECH liberals. A Tech school in Virginia? Probably no more than 15% liberals. what you have here is the standard conservative cowardice, the inability to fight back when confronted, the reliance on hiding and running that is the hallmark of Republicans from top to bottom in the USA. This is Bush’s fault, for his dismal, treasonous leadership, and for all of the corruption he has endorsed and pataken in. this is what happens to the great USA when RepNAMBLAcans control the government. Total failure, at home and abroad. Total cowardice among the young Repukes, and total hypocracy among the older Rightwing idiots. republicans have done far more damage to the USA than any foreign terrorists.

By rushncap

April 17, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

I’m waiting for us to invade Vietnam or Thailand as a response to the Blacksburg massacre.

By Andy Here! Andy There! Andy Is Everywhere!

April 17, 2007 4:28 PM | Link to this

Do I got you libs paranoid or what?

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{{{By ronjazz April 17, 2007 4:24 PM All of the rightards and conservatards on this board right now need to ask themselves why, after 6 years of repig rule, haven’t the gun-carry laws been changed? why is abortion still legal?}}}

Let’s see, the Supreme Court is 5-4 pinko®.

Duh.

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By Taking the scenic route

April 17, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

Goldie, I’ll define it for you.

Specifically in the criminal law, malice aforethought is the element of mens rea (Latin for “guilty mind”) which must accompany the actus reus of death, in order to secure a conviction for murder under the common law.

Where are your convictions Goldie?

Your guilt for convicting our military of wrong is not shared by me or the majority of Americans. You suffer alone with that guilt.

I’m just taking a scenic route people. I’m not this Andy of whom you speak. This isn’t my usual blogspot. Somebody over there (don’t ask) mentioned this cartoon and I thought I would give it a look.

Your cartoonist here is pretty disgusting IMHO.

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

I infer that you have no non-violent solutions to the situation in Algeria with Al Qaeda? Or are you stil thinking?

Reverend Getalife,

I don’t want you praying for me or anyone when it is done insincerely and maliciously in the spirit of enmity.

If you really want to pray today, I suggest you do it sincerely for the Virginia Tech students, faculty and family.

By Little Right of Center

April 17, 2007 4:33 PM | Link to this

GoldieLocks,(1:06) Whoever claimed that a semi-automatic weapon was designed for hunting?

Does the second amendment say anything about hunting? I don’t thinks so. So what is your point?

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Taking the scenic route,

He’s a Pulitzer Prize winning cartoonist, dontcha know!

ronjazz,

The gun laws are different State by State. Republican proposals to make it legal to carry guns on the Virginia Tech campus, which may (no guarantee, but “may”) have been used in self-defense were defeated.

You libs will have to let me know how the strictest possible gun control laws would have done a single thing to change the situation yesterday.

The problem rested with the mind of the assailant, not with his ability to procure guns and ammunition.

By IN THE NEWS

April 17, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

Remember that we’re all concerned, as we should be, about these events at Virginia Tech today. In Iraq this is a daily event. Imagine how horrible it would be if this kind of massacre were occurring every single day. And the people of Iraq feel that either the Americans are not stopping it or they’re actually causing it.

By IN THE NEWS

April 17, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Top 5 Semi-Automatic Deer/Big Game Hunting Rifles

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Here’s your brilliant liberal “scientists” at work:

Since the human-chimp split about 6 million years ago, chimpanzee genes can be said to have evolved more than human genes, a new study suggests.

Yeah, that and humans cause “global warming.”

Duh.

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By IN THE NEWS

April 17, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

The term “assault rifle” was coined by the Germans: Sturmgewehr. Mechanically there is no significant difference between those evil looking black guns with flash suppressers and bayonet lugs to the Remington Model 8, introduced for the sport hunting market nearly a century ago.

By RE

April 17, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this

OK BD,

If the stricktest guns laws were allowed, and guns were not sold in the US, how many people whould this guy have been able to kill with his bare hands?

A knife?

an Axe?

You think it would have been 32?

By Americanfirst

April 17, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this

You gun nuts slay me (no pun intended). If owning a gun makes you better prepared for defending yourself, then why is it i read more about kids who find their parents guns and kill either their selves or their friends than i read about people who have succesfully defended themselves with a gun? Go check out what the UK did 10 years ago when they had a school shooting.

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

The only mention of “outlawing guns” I’ve seen today is by the paranoid gun-lovers. You know, the ones who don’t want anything done to keep guns out of the hands of psychos and children… or to control who can purchase semi-automatic weapons with 30 rounds for killing “liberals”… is it because you’re all psycho or children yourselves?

You all want to see the ongoing carnage by the psycho-terrorists day after day here in America, in our schools and our workplaces? You don’t want to do anything about these terrorists? You absolutely love your guns so much that you can’t even see that there might be a solution to the psycho-with-guns problem???

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

RE,

Are you honestly dull enough to believe that if all guns were illegal there would be no way of purchasing (or stealing) them?

By Daniel

April 17, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

Goldie: I have a friend who sleeps with a loaded 45 next to his bed. He had a girl friend but she left him. Then, he waited a few years got another and she left two years ago. It is established that a home with a gun is twenty times more likely to have a suicide than one without a gun. I am not worried about my friend. I did tell him I didn’t want to get lost at night in his neighborhood.

By Really

April 17, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

Why do the liberals seem incapable of understanding that only law abiding citizens follow their regulations and the black market will always provide guns to anybody with money?

By Dusty

April 17, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this

This is one sad blog.

Just sayin’@ 3:28 had it right. Turning a tragedy into a political lecture is exactly what is going on here.

A man, terribly ill in his mentality, has killed over thirty people in his unhinged state of mind.

While the President and the country mourn such a tragedy, some here are trying to place unqualified blame on the president, deaths in Iraq, gun sales, confusion on terrorism and murder, even a remark about Korea.

Luckovich ties a tragedy from the depths of serious mental illness to the savagery of Jihadist terrorism. Just another bit of his illustrious satirical rejection of America’s fight against our enemies.

Perhaps, if you slanted liberals could drop the perpetual hunt for slurs against America, you could mourn this tragedy just a little bit. Try it now. The rest of us are sad and very tired of your verbal graffito.

By Daniel

April 17, 2007 5:05 PM | Link to this

Why are __incapable of understanding that only law abiding citizens won’t do drugs and the black market will always provide drugs to anybody with money?

By RE

April 17, 2007 5:08 PM | Link to this

Guns in the US are responsible for the deaths of 4.08/100k people by homicide, 6.08/100k people by suicide.

In the UK the rates are 0.04/100k homicide and 0.04/100k people suicide

By Really

April 17, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

Daniel, amen! You could also use abortions as an example.

By Little Right of Center

April 17, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

GoldieLocks… Banning ALL guns will work about as well as your ban on ALL drugs that some group deems you do not need.

Boy am I glad that you have fixed the drug problem and can now focus on the gun problem.

As for insurance on guns, won’t happen. There are too many of us law abiding gun owners out here on both the left and the right.

Clinton’s ban on all those evils guns only raised the price. It did not prevent me from buying any firearm. The only firearm that I can not get that I could before his usless ban is the StreetSweeper. And with a little ‘yankee riggin’, I have something that works just as good.

I’ve had a carry permit in 4 different states and I have used my firearms in self defense and have never been charged for using them. Hey, I loved Texas, you could shot someone for stealing your car if you caught them in the act.

By RE

April 17, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

BD, take a look at the gun violence rates in countries where they are banned. It means there are less in circulation. Less oppertunity to steal or buy on the black market.

And the guns are transported from states with easy to purchase laws, then sold on the black market in places where they do more harm

By Paul

April 17, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this

RE 4:32

See what I meant about the discussion essentially moving towards the extreme (no limits or all limits) and very little in between?

I used that example about the knife, club once. The response I got was, “uh, it’s not the same.”

Goldie 4:11

You want a new administration to “explore new territories?!!?” Dems wanna invade Mexico or Canada?

That was another (weak) joke - “Exploration” implies creativity, imagination, seeing beyond limitations - so far, the only candidate I’ve heard speak in anything resembling those terms is Obama. Yes, it’s going to be an interesting campaign.

By RW-(the original)

April 17, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

HB 1572 would almost certainly have changed this tragic situation. He apparently chained the doors and he knew he would be the only person inside with a gun.

It also seems likely that he had called in the bomb scare last week to see what kind of response patterns there would be.

Had 1572 been law he wouldn’t have known he would be the only one armed and almost certainly wouldn’t have pulled off this massacre. It’s pretty obvious he was going to kill somebody on his way out, but 1572 would have made it a lot fewer.

By Taking a closer look

April 17, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

In a survey of prison inmates 80% of them acquired their guns illegally.

Fewer than 2% were purchased from a flea market and 12% from a retail store or pawnshop. That’s a finding from 1997. It’s probably higher now.

For that closer look.

By Mike W

April 17, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

A new low for Luckovich and the AJC You’re a sick man Mike. You’re so blinded by your political position that you’ll use anything—even this heartbreaking trageddy—as fodder for your very narrow stance. You’ve lost your humanity by trading it in for yet another sophmoric jab at those you oppose politically. As anything off limits to the likes of you? I’d sincerely like to know. (I’m guessing you’ll take the easy way out)

By Paul

April 17, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this

Really 4:57

I don’t really think liberals are incapable of understanding that law-abiding citizens follow the law while criminals break the law. Seems rather self-evident. Possibly a mandatory 20-year term for those who sell, buy or possess a firearm outside the bounds of the law will minimize the black market?

By RE

April 17, 2007 5:20 PM | Link to this

Idiotic people with no sense of logic.

“GoldieLocks… Banning ALL guns will work about as well as your ban on ALL drugs that some group deems you do not need.”

Banning all abortions

banning all murders

banning all thefts

banning all explosives

banning all drunk driving

No ban will stop all the actiivity, but it reduces the amount of that activity greatly. Now, is there any other way this guy could have killed 31 people without using a gun?

By Walt

April 17, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

“What should we call the Marines who did those terrorist acts in Haditha — are they terrorists or just mass murderers?”

Placed in the same situation you wouldn’t have done nearly as well.

Those Marines were in daily contact with the insurgents. The frustration level they were under was tremendous. Most of them enlisted right after 9/11.

Shame on you.

Walt

By RE

April 17, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

Paul, the gun industry is shielded from any responsibility. If the manufacturers had some liability in where thier guns end up and what they are used for, there would be much tighter tracking.

By RW-(the original)

April 17, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

{{{{I don’t really think liberals are incapable of understanding that law-abiding citizens follow the law while criminals break the law.}}}}}

Paul,

Sadly I think they are. It’s been my experience that liberals have all the respect in the world for criminals and nothing but disdain for law abiding citizens. See Tookie or Mumia for starters.

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

{{Banning ALL guns will work about as well as your ban on ALL drugs that some group deems you do not need.}}

Way Right— who is talking about “banning all guns”??? Only you paranoid gun-lovers talk that way.

Oh, unless you consider semi-automatic weapons as “ALL guns”… is that what your hangup is?

By Really

April 17, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

RE, Sure there is

By Daniel

April 17, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

Walt: Sgt. Sanick De La Cruz USMC has been granted immunity! He will testify about what happened in Haditha without fear of prosecution. He had been facing life in prison and Dishonorable Discharge. 24 civilians were killed there. I think you got this ri0ght. When painfully incompetent politicians send troops into an impossible situation; killings like Haditha and Mahmoudiya are inevitable.

By RW-(the original)

April 17, 2007 5:30 PM | Link to this

RE,

Maybe we could just invade Austria and take out Glock.

By Little Right of Center

April 17, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

RE (5:20)

Yes there are many ways to kill 30 or more people in a very short amount of time. There are many gasses that can be created from household chemicals that could wipe out a class full of folks in mere seconds to name one way. Or even a good baseball bat when the world is full of those that are afraid to stand up for anything or to protect people.

If someone is intent on killing people there is nothing you or anyone else can do. No amount of laws will make you safe from everything or everyone. As long as there are crazy people there will be these type of crime. One student, one professor having a hand gun could have reduced the damage done.

You seldom read about guns being used legally because that will not benefit the liberal media.

By Paul

April 17, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

I’d probably have stated it as liberals and conservatives generally see causes and punishment/treatment differently. Even that’s an oversimplification. The way earlier comment seemed a bit gratuitous.

There was a Newsweek article many years ago which concerned the work of two sociologists who’d spent a couple of years working with criminals on one of those “why are they here and what can we do?” studies. A major conclusion - which provoked a firestorm (not of challenging data, methodology, or conclusions, but many, many personal attacks) was that there is a significant group of criminals who make a cool, calculated decision to engage in crime. Many are highly intelligent, have many options, but judge the perceived personal benefits than the perceived (or actual) consequences - and the chance of facing the consequences.

My point was it was another case where the evidence didn’t fit the perceived notions of many - but that didn’t really matter to the many.

By Peter

April 17, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

Why doesn’t Duh-bya invade China after this attack on our country?

By getalife

April 17, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this

Now, is there any other way this guy could have killed 31 people without using a gun?

Carbomb, IED, or take them to Baghdad?

By Goldie

April 17, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

I do apologize for using the incident at Haditha as part of my earlier questioning the use of the terms “terrorists” vs. “mass murderers”… I realize now that I picked the wrong incident for the example.

I should have used the example of the soldiers who committed the terrorism of rape of a young Iraqi girl, and many of them have been convicted now:

A second US soldier’s plea of guilty to the gang rape of a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and the killing of her and her family has been accepted by a judge.

I did not mean to confuse the two incidents, but I did.

By Little Right of Center

April 17, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

Goldielocks, (5:27)

What bothers me the most is when ignorant folks like you, use the term semi-automatic or assault weapon.

Please tell us which of these firearms are semi automatic or an assault rifle.

Ruger Security Six Revolver

Ruger Mini 14

Glock 17

This should be enough to show your knowledge.

What bothers me the most is when ignorant fols like you use the term semi-automatic or assult weapon

By RW-(the original)

April 17, 2007 5:40 PM | Link to this

Paul,

If that 5:32 meant they rob banks because that’s where the money is it makes perfect sense to me.

My favorites stories, that seem to run in the NYTimes about every six months and spread like wildfire through the rest of the loopy left print media, are the ones that say “”“prisons are overcrowded despite the fact that crime is down.”“” Well, duh!!

By Walt

April 17, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

“By Daniel

April 17, 2007 5:29 PM | Link to this

Walt: Sgt. Sanick De La Cruz USMC has been granted immunity! He will testify about what happened in Haditha without fear of prosecution. He had been facing life in prison and Dishonorable Discharge. 24 civilians were killed there. I think you got this ri0ght. When painfully incompetent politicians send troops into an impossible situation; killings like Haditha and Mahmoudiya are inevitable.”

It was about the time of Haditha that Jack Murtha first started saying we needed to get out of Iraq.

Our guys are under horrible stress that we can scarely imagine.

They need to be held responsible for their actions, but no one who hasn’t been there needs to be judging them.

I am former Marine infantry myself. I was on Desert Storm but I never saw any fighting.

But the comment that one person made was the WORST type of liberal crap.

You don’t crap on your defenders.

Walt

By Power of LIght

April 17, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

It is not suprising to see some people using the VT shooting as an excuse to push their gun control agenda.

By Anarchist liberal armpits

April 17, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

Should be banned from the internet before they receive their orders.

By FLASHPOINT

April 17, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

I’ve got one question for you luckovich.

WHY?

You’re a political hack of the worst possible kind.

By Frank Lee

April 17, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this

Today I see no decent satire Mike.

Indecent yes. There are times when decency should take precedence over politics.

Today you failed to meet that requirement.

Too bad. Some of your stuff is O.K. but this reflects badly on you.

By Daniel

April 17, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

Walt: I’m a vet. Enlisted at 17. I have seen war from the “ground up”. Our guys will be judged according to the UCMJ. The hack politicians who sent them there should be judged along side. When you send young men into an impossible war this is what you get. I feared this outcome from day one. It is going to get much, much worse. The Pope got it right: “Nothing good can come from Iraq”.

By RE

April 17, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

Let me take a guess RW,

The revolver is a semi automatic if it is double action, but would not have the ability to be converted because of design.

The mini 14 is a semiauto, and can be viewed as an assault weapon

a glock 17 is a semi auto.

I didn’t look any up on the web, how did I do?

By Cameron

April 17, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

Holy sh!t. Somebody at work told me about this one. Are you kidding me? Tell me you didn’t draw this. On second thought don’t tell me anything p**. This is an indefensible cartoon from a pulitzer putz.

By RW-(the original)

April 17, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

RE,

Why are you babbling to me about that? All I asked you was what you were planning to do to Austria.

By Peter

April 17, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

“Power of Light” - So proliferation of firearms in this country are not an issue to be addressed? (I wonder what cave are you living in.)

It’s not like things like the following haven’t been proposed for years …

Childproof handguns (just like over the counter medicine).

… . the day will come when Legislators wake up.

By Paul

April 17, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

RW 5:40

But they say it with such seriousness! And get incensed when one laughs!

Little Right of Center 5:39

If I may interject, what does it matter, really? People have vehicles. Society makes laws regarding what kind of vehicles can operate on public streets. Getting into “is this an assault rifle or a semiautomatic with trim (is this a specialized off-road go anywhere do anything utility vehicle or a pickup with trim/) misses the central point of - who gets to sell and buy firearms, what are the limits (no more than an “n” cartridge capacity, for instance) and what are the penalties for violating the limits? As well as, should there not be uniform standards?

Daniel 6:02

I understand the sentiment, I think, but as far as judging the politicians alongside, I really don’t think Hillary would be too pleased.

By RE

April 17, 2007 6:16 PM | Link to this

I used to have the Anarchists cookbook when I was younger. Bad book, most of the formula are inaccurate and dangerous.

Now an Army improvised weapons tech manual on the other hand, that can be a dangerous book. Availble for about $5 at any gun show.

Could the guy have made a molotov, maybe a chlorine gas bomb, maybe even an improvised claymore using black powder…. sure. But the gun is convinent and personal, and that is what he used. And I do not think that in two hours time the guy could have made any of those bombs and set out to kill. But he can with a gun.

A few things.

I believe the risk of having guns in society is justified by the freedom to have them

More guns do not make society safer, they make it less safe

Responsibility for what happens with a gun relies mainly on the end user, but the entire industry that put that gun on market should not be immune.

I still think a gun liablity insurance plan should be looked at.

By RW-(the original)

April 17, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

Paul,

During a campaign appearance during the primary campaign in late 2003 or early 2004 John Kerry started telling a story about police showing him some things confiscated during a bust, I believe in Michigan. Among the items was a fully automatic AK-47 and Kerry said that proved we needed to keep the so called assault weapons ban. What it really proved was that the ban didn’t work.

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

{{{By RE April 17, 2007 4:45 PM If the stricktest guns laws were allowed, and guns were not sold in the US, how many people whould this guy have been able to kill with his bare hands?}}}

Dullard: Drugs are illegal too and that obviously hasn’t stopped you.

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{{{By Mefirst April 17, 2007 4:48 PM You gun nuts slay me (no pun intended). If owning a gun makes you better prepared for defending yourself, then why is it i read more about kids who find their parents guns and kill either their selves or their friends than i read about people who have succesfully defended themselves with a gun?}}}

Gee, maybe you should read something besides the Pinko® Times and learn about all the self defense cases out there that they don’t tell you about.

{{{Go check out what the UK did 10 years ago when they had a school shooting.}}}

Yes, and also check and see how high Britain’s crime rate is.

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By getalife

April 17, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

These negative comments on this toon are amazing.

Lets take a look at the vote:

Do you like today’s cartoon?

No 19.02% 78
Yes 80.98% 332

Mmm, daily slaughter in Iraq or Mike’s toon.

Boy, that is a tough one.

I do not think Mike can draw a cartoon that compares to Iraq.

Geez.

By RW-(the original)

April 17, 2007 6:27 PM | Link to this

{{{{More guns do not make society safer, they make it less safe}}}}}-By RE

Complete unadulterated bullsh!t. Every time somebody says this they either prove they are complete airheads that believe cherry picked statistics or they have an anti-gun agenda.

getalife,

Not everybody has the time or inclination to pad the vote totals for the scribblers crap. Now that we know this guy was a left wing terrorist maybe ml will revise the toon, you reckon?

By Paul

April 17, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

RW 6:20

Wouldn’t it have been great if he (or any politician) would have asked the cops - the people charged with enforcing the laws - “why aren’t the laws working? What do you think would work?”

Instead we get (chuckle) a version of “stay the course.”

By Daniel

April 17, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this

Paul: Clever. Line all of them up. What is wrong with admitting a mistake? How bad does it have to get? What is the plan? When incompetent politicians send combat troops to a land war in Asia; frustration and disaster are the winners. Are we “stay the course” or “Last throes” or “Mission accomplicshed”? I’ll tell you one thing. A teenage troop on the ground in Iraq could give a crap about Bush political face. It is time to leave.

By N-GA

April 17, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this

Paul,

When I lived in the Middle East, the country where I resided had 3 cities of significant size; the rest of the country had towns, villages, hamlets, etc.

There was, at that time, little national infrastructure. There was no process in place for tax collection other than import/export duties.

As a consequence, there were prisons (primarily for Kurds and political prisoners {{{the same thing??}}}).

In the town near my base there was a small “jail”. Next to it was a small area (1/2 acre) with some lean-to’s and other temporary housing.

Here’s the kicker: the town did not feed its prisoners. The families passed food thru the bars. If there was a big guy who was hungry, he probably took most of your food. But the town had no money to pay for food. Needless to say there was very little crime. I never heard of an assualt on any American GI. In fact, it was far more likely for an American to break the law than a local.

By Paul

April 17, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

Daniel

My point was simply that many in Congress are complicit. It ain’t just “the administration.”

I take it your questions were a bit more than rhetorical, in asking an opinion. I’ve said before, I’m for giving General Petraeus’ plan a chance. I believe he’s said we’d know by August (this year). If so, and it’s progressing (significantly), then reassess. If not, leave. Right away. Of course, that would pull the rug our from under the “fund the troops/set a timetable/we’re not being political - we really care” crowd.”

It doesn’t take a year and a half to evacuate.

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 6:36 PM | Link to this

{{{By Daniel April 17, 2007 6:02 PM Walt: I’m a vet. Enlisted at 17.}}}

The closest this wanker has ever been to combat is when his little sister was rubbing his face in the dirt.

This repulsive whining wormy mofo sits in here everyday sh-iting on the troops that defend his sorry feminine as-s, he knows nothing of the brotherhood, F him.

Coward.

Punk as-s lying mofo, sick bastard.

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By RW-(the original)

April 17, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

Paul,

It would be nice if that approach were taken once in a while.

This being Kerry I’m inclined to believe it’s one of those stories that never really happened. Kind of like the way he hunts 22 point bucks on Cape Cod by crawling through the woods on his belly.

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Unfortunately the police in Virginia were against the bill that would have made it legal to have handguns on campuses like Virginia Tech, so in that case their advice was not at all worthwhile.

RE,

I can use statistics too. Here’s what happened in Australia.

Politicians had assumed tighter gun laws would cut off the supply of guns to would-be criminals and that homicide rates would fall as a result, the study said. But more than 90 per cent of firearms used to commit homicide were not registered, their users were not licensed and they had been unaffected by the firearms agreement.//Dr Baker said many more lives would have been saved had the Government spent the $500 million on mental health or other programs rather than on destroying semi-automatic weapons

AND

Using cross-sectional time-series data for U.S. counties from 1977 to 1992, we find that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crimes and it appears to produce no increase in accidental deaths. If those states which did not have right-to-carry concealed gun provisions had adopted them in 1992, approximately 1,570 murders; 4,177 rapes; and over 60,000 aggravate assaults would have been avoided yearly.

I’ll err on the side of the law abiding citizen and the proven deterrence effect, thank you very much.

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

Great. We’ll just move to Sharia law and cut off people’s arms for stealing an apple.

By Paul

April 17, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

N-GA

I understand Turkey was (is) the same way. I said once O’Reilly turned me on the death penalty (but since I’ve seen what’s come out on a regular basis regarding people released because of DNA, cops/prosecutors more interested in conviction rates than justice, I’d have turned anyhow). But his condition is time would be hard time (for murder, rapes, etc). Up in Alaska or Wyoming or some goshawful place in the wintertime. Hard labor. Outside. No TV, movies, etc. And upon release, community service in the form of talks to kids in schools and communities about how they ended up in prison and what it was really like.

Not quite the Turkish/Middle East model, but one that would likely engender a low recidivism rate.

By RE

April 17, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

ok RW, Show me where more guns make a society safer.

By Daniel

April 17, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this

Paul: The Bush Administration has consistently lied about Iraq. You read Gen. Sheehan’s response to the Bush inquiry about his being the “Iraq War Czar”. “A small group of incompetents are running the show”. “They have been consistently wrong”. Who wants to be the last troop to die for a failure? Perhaps, Andy will volunteer.

By RW-(the original)

April 17, 2007 6:46 PM | Link to this

Is it any surprise that this guy at VT was a science club member with very few friends? Better check this blog over the next few days and see if we have anybody missing.

By N-GA

April 17, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Most liberals I know do not oppose gun ownership. Most do want all firearms registered, firearm training, safe storage of firearms in the home, restrictions on firearms not suitable for hunting or other approved sports, and restrictions on concealment.

If you read the post of “Little Right of Center” at 5:11, there should be immediate cause for concern about that individual having a concealed weapon permit. He sounds like a cannon ready to go off, just looking for any excuse to shoot someone. I think he’s “a little right of normal”.

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Here is the specific reference to HB 1572, the law that was not passed, and which the police were against.

Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Some gun owners questioned the university’s authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus.//In June, Tech’s governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities.

btw, speaking of violence prevention I found a great site that talked about how disastrous Ghandi’s ideas were.

I’ll dig it out.

By Paul

April 17, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

Daniel 6:44

What troubles me is prior to Gen Petraeus, the apparent lack of options put forth by top military commanders. I see ex JCS Chairman Myers as very much a status-quo political kind of guy. I wasn’t impressed with some of the Army types, either. I hope Gen Petraeus is the right guy at the right time. Unfortunately, he may be the right guy, right place, too late.

By RW-(the original)

April 17, 2007 6:51 PM | Link to this

RE,

See Buy Danish at 6:37.

I’m not going to play your silly “”“prove a negative”“” game, but I can guarantee you that if I’m walking through downtown Atlanta at night I feel a lot better knowing that any predator out there doesn’t know if I’m packing or not.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this

RW,

Still have not accepted you are in the minority?

Get use to it.

“Is the Republican Party we once knew salvageable? Given the damage done by the Bush-Cheney White House and
DeLay-Hastert Congress, is there anything left of it worth saving?”
—Victor Gold, friend of the Bush family

Ouch.

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

{{{Not quite the Turkish/Middle East model, but one that would likely engender a low recidivism rate.}}}

Paul,

You’re starting to scare me now. Are you a fan of Mussolini because the trains ran on time too?

And dare I mention the slaughter rates in, oh… let’s pick Afghanistan, under those wonderful low recidivist Taliban leaders?

I could have picked Iraq under Saddam Hussein too of course.

Sheesh.

N-GA,

A Little Right of Center made perfect sense and unlike you, there was nothing in the least bit unhinged about his comments.

By Paul

April 17, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

N-GA 6:47

It’s not a topic that comes up much in my circles - or it’s viewed as incendiary and avoided. My earlier post alluded to that but probably got lost in the “crime and punishment” wording. You put it well, though.

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this

{{{By RE April 17, 2007 6:43 PM ok RW, Show me where more guns make a society safer.}}}

Dullard: Hate to break the news to you, check the crime statistics of Great Britain, Chicago and Washington D.C. where guns are outlawed, and compare them to any other place in the world including Baghdad.

You don’t walk around D.C. in the evening and sometimes not even in the daylight.

Duh.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Daniel

April 17, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

Paul: There are no options. That’s precisely the problem. That’s why it’s not the place for ground troops. Remember. RWR/Lockerbie/Qaddaffi? Swift, precise and effective. No loss of American life and it got the job done. The Bush crowd are awkward incompetents. Tommy Franks said Doug Feith was the: “Dumbest mother-fvcker on the planet”. There was a right way to do this four years go. It’s over.

By N-GA

April 17, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

bi-Danish,

Then you would have seen nothing unusual about the VT murderer Cho’s English Class compositions.

LMAO @ you

By RE

April 17, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this

Not proving a negative, show me a country that has a more restrictive gun law than the US, but has a higher rate of gun related crime.

Easy, can you find any?

By Paul

April 17, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish 6:47

That’s food for thought. I can only surmise the police group pretty much took the position the fewer guns, in fewer places, the easier their job would be. Just a guess, looking at it from a political self-interest view rather that a “what’s the best public policy” view.

By getalife

April 17, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

Lots of guns in Baghdad.

I wonder what is the crime rate there?

Mmmmmmm.

By Paul

April 17, 2007 7:02 PM | Link to this

Daniel

I always like a plain-spoken general

Buy Danish

Didn’t mean to trouble you. I was just musing on whether or not a bit of a tougher environment in prison would cause some to make choices that wouldn’t lead to their return. No need to be cruel or draconian.

By RW-(the original)

April 17, 2007 7:03 PM | Link to this

RE,

The freaking crimes don’t have to be gun related you moron. When predators KNOW that you aren’t armed they have a field day. At least you answered which profile you fit in my 6:27.

getalife,

Just checked and I still have a Republican Governor, a Republican Lt. Governor, and two Republican Senators.

By LuckoDull

April 17, 2007 7:12 PM | Link to this

{{{And the murder rate continues to climb in gun-controlling Chicago, which has had the highest (or worst) murder rate among major U.S. cities most of the last decade. Last week the city reported that its murder rate is up 11 percent from one year ago. Chicago ended 2002 with a murder rate of 22.3 per 100,000 people, three times higher than New York’s rate of 7.2 per 100,000 people.}}}

Any questions?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 7:13 PM | Link to this

Idiot Fool N-GA,

What does this very sensible post have to do with the insane student’s crazy writing and mental illness, except to demonstrate that gun control laws don’t do squat?

{{{By Little Right of Center

April 17, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

RE (5:20)

Yes there are many ways to kill 30 or more people in a very short amount of time. There are many gasses that can be created from household chemicals that could wipe out a class full of folks in mere seconds to name one way. Or even a good baseball bat when the world is full of those that are afraid to stand up for anything or to protect people.

If someone is intent on killing people there is nothing you or anyone else can do. No amount of laws will make you safe from everything or everyone. As long as there are crazy people there will be these type of crime. One student, one professor having a hand gun could have reduced the damage done.

You seldom read about guns being used legally because that will not benefit the liberal media.}}}

By Buy Danish

April 17, 2007 7:16 PM | Link to this

Getlife,

There are a lot of IEDs, tools to torture, conduct beheadings, and all sorts of instruments of death available in Bagdad.

Indeed, if I was a law abiding Iraqi I would want a gun to protect myself when these deranged mofos show up at my door.

You have not said a single thing today that made any sense.

By N-GA

April 17, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

bi-Danish,

Find someone who is “smarter than a 5th grader” and have them read “a little right of center“‘s 5:11 post. Then have that person explain it to you…twice.

That poster is a mass murderer waiting to happen. He wants to shoot car thieves…that’s more severe than sharia law, don’t you think? Or don’t you ever think?

By RW-(the original)

April 17, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I’ve seen much worse posts than that 5:11 from any number of liberals here, including N-GA. Keep in mind N-GA was one of the ones involved in the direct threat on all of our families.

Buy Danish,

I’ve seen much worse posts than that 5:11 from any number of liberals here, including N-GA. Keep in mind N-GA was one of the ones involved in the direct threat on all of our families.

By N-GA

April 17, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this

Real Wanker,

The only thing to keep in mind is your membership in the lunatic fringe.

I’ve never done anything to threaten your families, and your apology for lying is not accepted in advance, or anytime.

By HAROLD

April 18, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

If slavery is to blame for everything wrong with African-Americans today, why aren’t the Japanese a bunch of useless, uneducated criminal types? America NUKED them. TWICE! And that was only 60 years ago!

By Hey Moron

April 18, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

Harold,

How can you compare the effect of 4 years to 400? Further, the interment camps were not slave camps. There was no selling of children or dividing families. There was no interfernce with marriages. Nobody thought that the Japanese reading books was a danger to the social order.

With slavery you had 400 years of taking a race of people and subjecting them to influences and social morays that are totally inconsistent with what we could call normal. While I’m sure that you might have been fine if your father was sold when you were 2 and you were taken and sold to someone else at 8, but most of us normal people would be pretty screwed up.

The ravages of slavery are all too often diminished or brushed over and those who think that they would be functioning perfectly normal after their forebearers were subject to 400 years of slavery and another 100 years of oppression and segregation are simply put, morons.

By David in NYC

April 18, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this

Hey LuckoDull —

If you truly “believe a non political heartfelt moment of silence is appropriate right now”, why don’t you do us all a favor and shut up?!

By Lee

April 20, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

Luckovich has the ability to take one picture and make a profound statement. Too bad he couldn’t put his hatred of Bush aside for one day to memorialize those who lost their life in this tragedy.

Unfortunately, that’s what we have come to expect from ML and the AJC.

Shame on ML and shame on the AJC for running this piece of crap.

Hey AJC, there is a reason you have a declining readership in one of the fasted growing areas of the country. Exhibit A here.