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By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

Krauthammer nails the quote of the week:

Second, if the electorate was sending an unconflicted message about withdrawal, how did the most uncompromising supporter of the war, Sen. Joe Lieberman, win handily in one of the most liberal states in the country?

And he got the second place quote, too:

{{{John McCain has had no illusions about the difficulty of this war. Nor does he now. In his bold and courageous speech at the Virginia Military Institute defending the war effort, he described the improvements on the ground while acknowledging the enormous difficulties ahead. Insisting that success in Iraq is both possible and necessary, McCain made clear that he is willing to stake his presidential ambitions, indeed his entire political career, on a war policy that is unpopular but that he believes must be pursued for the sake of the country. How many other presidential candidates — beginning with, say, Hillary Clinton — do you think are acting in the same spirit?}}}

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The Urinal finally figured out how to get Queen Pinko to work two days a week!:

{{{I’ve grown accustomed to an undercurrent in public policy debates that blames black women for an array of social and cultural failures. Without making distinctions, that racist sentiment casts us all as lazy and drug-addled welfare queens, thoughtless breeders of criminals and unwed heathens who are sacking the sacred institution of marriage.}}}

Give her the opportunity to race bait, she’ll do the rest.

Why is it, I wonder, that when a democrat gets busted for discrimination it’s a “reflection on society” but when a Conservative does it it’s because of white men and the church?

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By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

Keeping that race baiting spirit alive:

{{{Prosecutor apologizes in Duke case, 3 players undecided on civil suit-Urinal}}}

It’s not the “white boys were innocent or the “girl falsely accused them” or even “Nifong was a rogue prosecuter,” no, it’s that meaningless apology that makes the pinko® world go round, the givers of universal forgiveness unless, of course, you are a Republican that apologizes.

To quote this dude’s boss, he maliciously used his office to buy voter favor by falsely accusing innocent people, much like what the United States Congress is engaged in right now.

Notice how we have no lib outrage?

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3rd runner up for quote of the week:

It is a combination of ratings envy and genuine puzzlement. This duo seems to drive all of Keith’s public confrontations and feuds. His frequent attempts to attract the attention of Bill O’Reilly are lame enough, but O’Reilly only has about 10 times Olbermann’s audience. Rush has about a hundred times the audience of Countdown’s party faithful. “How can that be,” Keith must ask himself, “when I’m so good and he’s so bad?” The fault, dear Keith, is not in their stars (or stats), but in yourself. It goes under the heading good humor, though a few hundred years ago it was called “virtu.”. Rush has it. Imus lost his at a crucial moment. You, at least every time I have seen you, have never had it. Not for a day. Not for a moment. It is what limits your audience to the angry and the envious….. why Brit Hume and his merry “Fox news all stars all” continue to dominate: They are generally and genuinely happy people. Their teeth do not grind at night. They are not consumed with paybacks and venom venting. They would no more particularize their political agenda into the comparison of a one of the country’s greatest legal minds to a Nazi mass murderer than they would abuse the Rutgers women basketball team. Sure, they play hardball –politics ain’t beanbag, as Mr. Dooley noted. (Look it up Keith, look it up.)

These are the real poll numbers, and you libs continue to lose, as always.

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By Goldie

April 13, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this

Great work, Luckovich — your drawings always are real in their detail and Atlanta is so fortunate to have your talent to add to its list of attributes!

And similar to Don Imus’ demise, it’s only a matter of time before Rover reaches his “tipping point” with America and finally gets the boot!

A lawyer for the Republican National Committee told congressional staff members yesterday that the RNC is missing at least four years’ worth of e-mail from White House senior adviser Karl Rove that is being sought as part of investigations into the Bush administration

By Buy Danish

April 13, 2007 8:16 AM | Link to this

Refresh my memory.

Have we ever had a cartoon about Sandy Berger stealing classified documents from the National Archives, destroying them, and lying to the 9/11 Commission?

How about the missing billing records that had Hillary’s fingerprints on them that were found in the Map Room of the White House?

She is running for President afterall.

By Blackadder

April 13, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this

Well they did it. They bowed to pressure and fired Don Imus. What a boneheaded thing to do. What he said, while vile, racist, and insensitive to women, was not a firing offense. Suspension? Yes. A fine of some sort going to a women’s charity? Of course. But firing? If everyone who uttered a racist remark were fired we wouldn’t have Bill O’Reilly anymore.

When speaking about the immigration problem O’Reilly cut loose with this gem:

“We’d save lives because Mexican wetbacks, whatever you want to call them, the coyotes—they’re not going to do what they’re doing now, all right, so people aren’t going to die in the desert.”

and this one:

“O’Reilly criticized the Immigration and Naturalization Service for not doing its job and not keeping out ‘the wetbacks.’”

And two months later Bill O’Reilly was hosting a charity event for urban school children. An African-American singing group called “The Best Men” were schedule to perform, but were late. O’Reilly said to the audience:

“Does anyone know where the Best Men are? I hope they’re not in the parking lot stealing our hubcaps.”

Those remarks were every bit as bad as Imus’s. Where’s the outrage?

By Buy Danish

April 13, 2007 8:22 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

I hope you realize that you have lost one of the most important platforms for liberal candidates like John Kerry to spin their tales, and for liberal media muckety-mucks to call in and say how much “Bush sucks!” on a liberal radio/tv show.

Do you think the Al Sharpton’s radio show can capture Imus’ audience?

By who_really_cares_anyway?

April 13, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this

ON TOPIC…what a refreshing change.

Cartoon: on target…..as usual!

By Buy Danish

April 13, 2007 8:26 AM | Link to this

I’m running out, but before I go I have a question for Blackadder:

Snake,

Who is “THEY”? To the best of my knowledge “They” were Presidential candididate Barack Obama, Senior management at CBS and NBC, people like Al Roker, and the race hos Sharpton and Jackson and their ever-outraged followers.

Every conservative who I respect does not believe Imus should have been fired either.

Let’s place the blame squarely where it lies: On Politically-correct liberal Democrats.

Later folks…

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this

Blackadder @ 8:17 — you make some good points. I see this as a starting point for clearing out some of the hatemongers who’re still on the airwaves today. We should make sure they are being paid for by the revenues from their subscriptions to cable and satellite fees and not on the public airwaves anymore…

And we allow delayed taping of live shows in order to weed out any offensive language… maybe we should start delay taping the Oxycontin Limbaughs, etal, on the radiowaves.

By w00t

April 13, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this

Look, all you crazy neocon’s. Clinton, Hilary, John Kerry, etc, etc, or who ever you try to throw the blame off to now! You know what? They’re NOT IN OFFICE! Stop trying find excuses and point fingers for this corrupt administration. You simply just don’t “lose” 5 MILLION emails. Unless you’re purposely trying to DELETE them. They have the obligation to save EVERY record from the president’s office. The only reason the Bush Administration would use a RNC email address and suddenly lose emails is if something fishy is going on, and it stinks an awful lot like fish. It’s really amazing that people stand and try to say that this type of behavior is ok, and try to brush it off on other individuals.

Why don’t you guys hold this administration to their so called “values”. Like, I dunno, HONESTY, and INTERGIRY!.

Oh, and btw, this whole Imus thing is a bunch of BS. There is such this HUGE hypocritical double standard in America. If Imus cannot say “ho” and “nappy hair” in the same sentence then neither can African American’s and Rap stars. It’s become strange that certain groups can lay claim and add value to particular words of their choosing. Al Sharpton should ask some of his people to step down from radio show’s, or tell his people to stop singing songs that promote the abuse of women. Because you know, 80% of rap albums sold in the US are sold to teenage white boys.

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

Yes, when will the piper be paid for this pinko®?:

{{{Impeccably liberal columnist Tom Oliphant had the misfortune to appear on Imus’ show after the “nappy-headed” comment and before it was clear that Imus was on his way to being expelled from polite company. Oliphant excused the Imus remark as something that “can happen to anybody,” and ended his appearance by saying that regular guests “have a moral obligation to stand up and say to you, ‘Solidarity forever, pal.’”}}}

“Solidarity forever” would mean unas-sing him from his job, I believe.

“It can happen to anybody.”

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By Paul

April 13, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this

Goldie 8:31

I’m always a bit troubled when it comes to the “we” as in “we should make sure” in getting people off the airwaves. I have a strong memory of my father, when I was in my formative high school years and had repeated something similar, saying “I don’t want anybody telling me what I can read, what I can see, what I can hear.” The pendulum swings both ways - the election rolls around then the judges become the judged. Sure there’s civility, manners and respect in discourse - but “Public Speech” - well, I’m a bit concerned about the ever-growing list of what can’t be said.

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

{{Al Sharpton should ask some of his people to step down from radio show’s, or tell his people to stop singing songs that promote the abuse of women.}}

w00t— you need to know that both Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have raised this issue many times and promoted boycotts of rap music for their abusive and hateful language toward women…

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

{{but “Public Speech” - well, I’m a bit concerned about the ever-growing list of what can’t be said.}}

Uber-Paul, we put limits on what is allowed for “public speech” on the airwaves. Do you want those limits abolished, such as for the F-word and the N-word? What are your personal limits for “free speech” on public airwaves?

By Blackadder

April 13, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

“Let’s place the blame squarely where it lies: On Politically-correct liberal Democrats.” -BD

Wrong again as usual. I’m a liberal Democrat who believes Imus should not have been fired. Every liberal I respect believes the same. The people responsible were the network honchos who were afraid of losing advertising dollars.

Big business (Bush’s base) was the villain in the firing. Not liberals.

I notice you didn’t respond to any of O’Reilly’s gaffs. Typical.

By Paul

April 13, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

That’s a good, tough question. But the answer causes the knots that - who was it, Justice Goldberg - said about pornography? “I can’t define it but I know it when I see it.” Theoretically, I can distinguish between the public airwaves and cable. It seems to me there is a big separation now between action, responsibility and accountability, while those (in the case of radio and cable) with the power to hire and fire look at not what’s right, but at “what’ll make us the most money?”

I know this is a lousy example for you, but the other day an editorial writer for the Denver Post labeled O’Reilly as a racist, saying he spewed vile something or other. When interviewed, she said it was because he used the term “illegal aliens” instead of “undocumented workers.” That’s part of what I was referring to.

It’s limiting discussing ideas by attacking people for using certain terms in trying to express themselves (this is NOT the case with the Imus issue).

Personal limits? Personally, I generally keep it as a rule of thumb that when people engage in labeling, hyperbole, unsupported accusations masquerading as opinion, that the argument is weak, so personally, I avoid that. There are (Court rulings) things that government can regulate as far as what’s shown or said on the airwaves - but it gets down to a case by case basis. So, no, I don’t want some rules abolished - but I am still uneasy about a wholesale ride towards limits on speech.

By Paul

April 13, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

Goldie - followup -

It’s the difference between what shouldn’t be said, and what can’t be said.

By steve-o

April 13, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this

Great point Goldie!

And for the rest of you who want to blame “PC liberals” or “race-baiters”, realize that the reason for Imus’s demise was:

1) Sponsors didn’t want their products to be associated with him, thus pulling out. No sponsors…no show. It’s, as you wingnuts say, “the free market deciding.”

2) The pressure on CBS to fire Imus came largely from its own employers and media personalities—i.e. Al Roker—who didn’t want to be associated Imus’s disgusting comments.

3) Referring to a black woman as a “nappy-headed ho” is a big no-no. I couldn’t even say that without getting in huge trouble. So yes, it is a very big deal. And before you say rappers say it, let me say that I don’t condone it there as well.

4) This isn’t the first time that Imus has stepped over the line. I’m sure by now all of you have heard a littany of every vile thing he has said over the years.

By @@

April 13, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

Alright ml, on topic. You did a good job of capturing Rove’s smile, and your SERVER SUCKS!!!!

About fingers…I’d like to point mine towards Charles Krauthammer once again. You know…the columnist that some “compassionate” (cough) liberal here said “looks like a Chernobyl victim”.

Anyhoo, with my finger (guess which one) extended, this has come to “define” Democrats for me.

(((How at this point — with only about half of the additional surge troops yet deployed — can Democrats be trying to force the U.S. to give up? The Democrats say they are carrying out their electoral mandate from the November election. But winning a single-vote Senate majority as a result of razor-thin victories in Montana and Virginia is hardly a landslide.)))

(((Second, if the electorate was sending an unconflicted message about withdrawal, how did the most uncompromising supporter of the war, Sen. Joe Lieberman, win handily in one of the most liberal states in the country?)))

And third, where was the mandate for withdrawal? Almost no Democratic candidates campaigned on that. They campaigned for changing the course the administration was on last November.

(((Which the president has done. He changed the civilian leadership at the Department of Defense, replaced the head of Central Command and, most critically, replaced the Iraq commander with Petraeus — unanimously approved by the Democratic Senate — to implement a new counterinsurgency strategy.)))

Let’s see now, there’s “the platform they ran on” and then there’s the historical “flatform” of THEIR politics. CHANGING THE COURSE.

Give them an “inch”, they’ll redefine it, and call it a “mile” stone.

There’s no doubt about it in my mind. The “new democrats” are not a noble party. They’ll attempt to weigh this country down with their “political stonewalling” and sink the U.S. thinking they can win in 2008.

They define “POLITICIANS”, and who, if anybody, likes those?

Their motives become more clear each passing day. I, for one, will be passing them by in November, 2008.

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

{{It’s the difference between what shouldn’t be said, and what can’t be said.}}

I’m with you, Uber… I’m not sure of what my “personal limit” is either. I personally did not think that Howard Stern should have had to move to satellite radio, simply because he took his “sex jokes” too far one day, but that’s what the sex police in America decided should be his fate… so, can we keep tolerating racist rants against entities such as a women’s basketball team, simply because some old geezer thinks he’s being funny while using racist language? What if you yourself had a daughter that was on an athletic team and she became the butt of someone’s racist or sexist language… your daughter who has been making her way through college and playing an athletic sport — what would you do as a father?

In Imus’ case, what it showed me was just how comfortable he had become in talking that way with his producer, like he was in a men’s locker-room, and so comfortable that he could not stop himself from talking that way on the public airwaves last week.

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this

Uber, I’m enjoying our adult discussions this morning, but I have work to do now, and will try to resume this adult debate later. Ta-ta!

By Shut up or put up

April 13, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

The cartoon that ML has bestowed upon us today should be part of a libel suit that needs to be sent to the AJC. This is nothing but a typical liberal smear tactic. You guys are really good at it, I give you credit for that. Is there any proof of Rowe’s actions? If so, take him to court, or shut up!!!!!!!!!!! You lib’s are good at making false claims, throwing the darts, and retreating, or shall I say “cut and run”. Sort of like the masked invaders now attacking our troops in Iraq, except you hide behind the fish wrapper e mail system. You are all like big month bass, all mouth and no action. Don’t forget, there is such a thing as due process in our wonderful nation, let’s use it. If it is proven through the court process that he is guilty, hang him up, but not till he has his day in court, even ya’ll ought to understand that, I hope, but I have been wrong before, when I voted for Carter.

By @@

April 13, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

Heeyyyyyyy! You off again today Goldie?

I know, I know….it’s none of my “beeswax”.

That ^^^ one made me chuckle. The things children say and do always make me smile.

By Walt

April 13, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

“Krauthammer nails the quote of the week:

Second, if the electorate was sending an unconflicted message about withdrawal, how did the most uncompromising supporter of the war, Sen. Joe Lieberman, win handily in one of the most liberal states in the country?”

Nonsense.

Krauthammer is one of the bastard Neo-cons who sold this country out to Israeli interests.

Further, the chances of the House flippping was nil — most of the states have thoroughly gerrymandered their Congressional districts — Georgia is one of the best examples. Another is Texas.

And look at the Virginia senate race. George Allen was firmly in control there.

But not any more.

Walt

By Truthman

April 13, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

Just another in a long line of Bush failures.

Paul was already a war criminal for his Iraq fiasco, now he’s paying his prostitute/girlfriend more money than Condi!!

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/WorldBankboardstatementleavesW04132007.html

What a bunch of Schmucks!!

By N-GA

April 13, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

Paul,

You’ve heard me comment on the US dollar. Well this issue doesn’t get much airplay, but you may find this commentary interesting: Doomsday for the Greenback

Note the recent actions by the PRC.

It is only a bit more strident than David Walker’s warning message that he has been delivering in every major US city for 18+ months.

Your thoughts?

By Paul

April 13, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

Goldie

In some cases, personalizing an issue is a good way to cut to the heart of the matter. I avoid personal references here - but my family has several “minority groupings” represented in spouses and children. So it isn’t all theory, here. What would I do as a father? Well, maybe that’s one of those things that, in the interest of decency, shouldn’t be said!

Your second paragraph - not just comfortable, but gratuitous, common, everyday. With a huge audience. I do hope he goes to his ranch in New Mexico and doesn’t pop up with another contract, somewhere.

By Mike

April 13, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

How can the race-obsessed AJC editorial staff not even reference the Duke lacrosse case?

My guess is that the AJC staff doesn’t care about racial or criminal justice unless it can be used to attack those who don’t share their narrow world views.

By Paul

April 13, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

N-GA

I’m not much on conspiracies - “The demolition of the dollar isn’t accidental. It’s part of a plan to shift wealth from one class to another and concentrate political power in the hands of a permanent ruling elite” - but I do accept a series of decisions and nondecisions taken for non-interelated reasons can have the effect you describe.

But when the same points are made by Mr. Walker it has impact on me, as he’s saying, as I understand it - ‘these are the actions that elements of our country have taken, these are the decisions made, and these are the most probable outcomes.”

Why are such economic actions not scrutinized in the same manner as our foreign policy or military intervention policies? The impacts you referenced can be more critical - but isn’t part of the problem the attitude of “let the markets work it out”? Which strikes me as a silly refrain, given it’s not markets, but government, that is taking many of the actions.

Personalizing this - I look at my kids and sometimes shudder at the probable mess that may hit them through no fault of their own.

I’m about to get to work - later -

By RW-(the original)

April 13, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Blackadder,

Can you name the high profile Conservatives that were calling for Imus to be fired? Why would you expect someone to respond to the O’Reilly quotes that you wrote? It’s not like you have an ounce of credibility and the third one is the only one that sounds familiar. Audio/video please.

ml,

I have to admit I laughed out loud at this cartoon. I’m sure it’s no more accurate than the rest of your delusional “work” but it is funny.

By @@

April 13, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

Walt @ 9:26:

Do you hide in your house with the blinds closed in fear of yarmulkes?

It looks like you may have cut your “baby teeth” on this deadwood.

(((According to reputable scholars, including Prof. Norman Cohn in his noted book, Warrant for Genocide, the world-control myth was actually lifted from a 19th century French political satire in which the alleged plotters weren’t even Jewish.)))

You do know that “radical extremists” bought into that ^^^ garbage hook line and sinker, don’t you? It’s what they use to justify their genocide.

OMG…”Cohn”, that’s a Jewish name, isn’t it?

Run for the hills Walt. The yarmulkes are coming.

Are you a radical extremist Walt?

By Neo

April 13, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

Rw has credibility?

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By Goldberg

April 13, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

Walt, Do you have something againest the Jewish nation? Don’t hold back, just let us know your true feelings.

By N-GA

April 13, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Conspiracy theorists tend to lean to the extreme, but the article still points out recent events/actions that are significant, yet under-reported.

Walker’s message seems to be falling on deaf ears. Perhaps that is because there is relatively low unemployment. Perhaps it is because the subject is complex and its root cause(s) is not attributable to a specific political party. Perhaps it is ignored by many who understand it because they are too busy scrambling “to get their share”.

I also worry about our children’s future. Are they the next generation that has to live through a global depression along with the food lines, unemployment, poor healthcare, shorter lifespans and limited access to education?

The cynic in me says that if society knew this outcome to be certain, they would still do nothing to change.

By @@

April 13, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

Just a moment of sharing.

I visit a geopolitical discussion forum. I never participate, just read. Some really indepth analysis of our world today.

Super intelligent people. Anyway, some guy comes in complaining that someone is discussing the ME from a religious perspective. He very rudely declares that “nobody wants to discuss world events with a religious zealot”.

I guess he assumed that his “nobody” included everybody. So anyway, the same guy opens up a thread he entitles “Some very important questions that need answers”. That was two months ago. He got zero responses. His was the only thread that got “ZERO”.

I’m guessing he shot his “one bullet” with his attack on religion.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

What forum @@?

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON — A woman charged with running a D.C.-area prostitution ring on Thursday made good on her threat to identify high-profile clients, naming a military strategist who developed the combat theories known as “shock and awe” as a regular customer in court papers. Harlan K. Ullman, a senior associate with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, was named in court papers filed by Deborah Jeane Palfrey, who is acting as her own lawyer.

Now isn’t that shocking?

Of course, he’s a Clinton flunkie, they’re all sex fiends, freaks:

{{{Ullman was the primary author of a 1996 report that coined the phrase “shock and awe,” which calls for a massive attack of precision air power that psychologically destroys an enemy’s will to fight as much as it destroys the physical ability to fight.}}}

I wonder if he brought the “big boss” along on his little parties, huh, huh?

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By Walt

April 13, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

“By Goldberg

April 13, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

Walt, Do you have something againest the Jewish nation? Don’t hold back, just let us know your true feelings.”

I have nothing at all against Israel.

But all the most prominent neo-cons are Jewish.

And it was a strategic objective of Israel to get rid of Saddam. But it was NOT a strategic interest of the USA.

This co-opting of the US military and foreign policy to serve the aims of Israel will hurt them in the long run.

One author has called Dick Cheney the Dr. Kevorkian of the Israeli state.

Walt

By getalife

April 13, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

Figures that the worst President ever will go out like Nixon.

Karma.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

10,000 clients?

How many are gop Andy?

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

{{{By getalife April 13, 2007 10:09 AM Checkmate. Game over. Let the impeachment hearings begin.}}}

Let’s say Rove did use his email account for political purposes and the inquisitors in Congress happen to find evidence of this, will they try Snowflake separately, whom we already have evidence against?

And will we be climbing into Hillary’s as-s to see what we can find?

(And how about the IRS rifling through Suckieface Waxman’s personal belongings? Wouldn’t that be special, if Suckie had done his job as a Congressman instead of frolicking as a democrat party stooge, he would have reformed that confusing federal tax code and it wouldn’t have got him busted for tax evasion.)

Yes, let the party begin.

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By @@

April 13, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

Getalife:

Why do you want to know?

So you can go over there as “Jello Joe Wilson” and get yourself banned?

It’s Stratfor. It’s a subscription only site. I’m not sure, but you may be able to view the discussion forum without membership.

Google Stratfor.com, go to discussion forum and see where it takes you, you troublemaker, you.

You and RE were discussing Turkey here yesterday. Here’s a little somewhere with insight on Iraq - Turkey/U.S. Relations.

It’s not the “fever swamps”, but I’m trying to preserve a part of your brain for planting. (ISH)

By Scooter

April 13, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

ml, I have to give it to you - this is pretty frik’in funny.

Now onto other things, I was rummaging through my morning routine and saw this..

‘The Iraqi Army was asked by the government of Iraq to rid the town of militia members and other terrorist groups who had waged a campaign of murder and intimidation against the people of Diwaniyah and the security forces charged with protecting them.’

“We have received more than 700 requests for the help of the Iraqi Army from the people of Diwaniyah,” said Iraqi Army Maj. Gen. Oothman Farhood, commander of the 8th Iraqi Army Division. “The Iraqi Army is here for the people of Iraq and to help the Iraqi Police provide security for the citizens of Diwaniyah.”

Do you choose to see hopelessness and defeat in the people of Diwaniyah? Or, do you schoose to see hope with the arms, eyes and intelligence of the people, reaching out and teaming up with many brave Iraqis, all fighting for change?

By Walt

April 13, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

“Do you hide in your house with the blinds closed in fear of yarmulkes?”

No. In fact my ‘pay entry base date’ into the Marine Corps is 15 October, 1973.

That is the same day that Ariel Sharon won the Battle of the Chinese Farm with his armored division.

I was a big supporter of Israel.

But not any more.

Walt

By Scooter

April 13, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Whoops, I missed a comma up ^^^^^^. Oh well.

You all have fun, and share “information” while you’re at it.

By steven daedalus

April 13, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

“Shock and Awe”, Harlan K. Ullman, Bushie who gave Iraqi war its original moniker, is a regular at D.C. brothel, I love these moral neo-cons, I think we are going to need a new federal facility(prison) just for Bush administration fellows.,

By IN THE NEWS

April 13, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

JUST WHOS FLUNKY IS HARLAN K ULLMAN?

By Bush Belongs Behind Bars

April 13, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

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By getalife

April 13, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

Not bad @@,

The lgf banned my IP so I can’t read their hate over there.

I am not missing anything.

Charles does not want me to bash the lizards anymore.

He is another intellectual coward.

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

{{{By IN THE PROPAGANDA April 13, 2007 10:35 AM JUST WHOS FLUNKY IS HARLAN K ULLMAN?}}}

Prop: He came up with the slogan in 1996, you may want to check your “on this date” calender to jog your memory.

It is sort of perplexing, I thought that there were peace loving pacifists in the White House at that time, who were they going to shock and awe?

Oh, that’s right, they were bombing Saddam Hussein, over his weapons of mass destruction, the same WMD that MIRACULOUSLY disappeared when Bush took office, WHERE DID THEY EVER GO???

Can I get an Amen?

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By getalife

April 13, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Here is more on Turkey

Not many politicians in Iraq showed up today so I doubt they will help Turkey or the Kurds keep peace.

By steven daedalus

April 13, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

I seem to recall the Republicans, spent about 40 Million of our taxpayers dollars trying to dig up something on Hillary, I guess you neo-idiots would want to spend some more to find nothing.She’s way smarter than,as we say down here, ya’ll

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

{{{By getalife April 13, 2007 10:43 AM Not bad @@, The lgf banned my IP so I can’t read their hate over there.}}}

Mask your IP man.

No wonder you guys can’t catch Rove.

Amateurs.

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By You are a moron Luck-o-doll

April 13, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

To suggest that the public is for the Iraq war because of a single election in Conn. is stupid enough given that one has to ignore the results of every other election in the country, but when that single election featured a Republican nominee who finished with less that 15% of the vote, the stupidity of using that election to gauge the temp of the American people is beyond description. If the Republicans had nominated any electable candidate the Sen. from Conn. would be Ned Lamont.

By @@

April 13, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Getalife:

How in this world can you squash a lizard with a hammer made of “Jello”? The results would be a big “splat” that the lizards would gobble up, like the conservatives do here every day.

I considered posting to the “religion basher” at Stratfor suggesting that he visit ml’s. He’d fit right in here with the anti-christian leftists.

Walt:

I’m not a big fan of Olmert’s, but then neither are many Israelis. I do support Israel’s right to exist though and I would prefer a more competent leader for the nation of Israel. Netanyahu will do just fine, and he’s easy on the eyes. No Waxman if you will.

An article you might enjoy.

Reflections on the Middle East Without Sharon’s Leadership

(((But her positive attitude toward the Arab peace initiative is evident from the strong case she has since made for Prime Minister Olmert to stay in contact and negotiate with PNA President Mahmoud Abbas.)))

I’m not recalling, but did Sharon pass away, or is he still in a coma?

I’m off to work.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Why bother?

I do not want to read the lgf and I have nothing to hide unlike you.

This is ridiculous:

Pelosi: “The president is not king”

Drug czar, war czar that nobody wants, king.

WTF happened to my country?

Geez.

By reebok

April 13, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Pols never remember the fundamental rule that the cover-up is always worse than the crime. Somebody wants to review 5 MILLION e-nmails? Sure thing, let them. But claim that you ‘accidentally deleted’ 5 million e-mails that someone wants to look at? How stupid do you have to be to try to get away with that? (I know, this is the Bush Misadministration, so questions of stupidity have long since been addressed.) News flash - e-mails can’t be permanently deleted unless you can find and scrub every server and computer that the e-mail ever passed through. Now, the e-mails WILL be located, they WILL be scrubbed mercilessly, and the assumption will be that someone had something to hide - and tired, ineptly, to hide it. What a bunch of IDIOTS. It’s way past time to impeach the election-stealer and his incompetent cronies.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

@@,

Like here, I bash with the truth.

It is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Too easy.

Geez.

By IN THE NEWS

April 13, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

WHAT FLUNKY IS LISTED AS THE AUTHOR

By Walt

April 13, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

“I’m not recalling, but did Sharon pass away, or is he still in a coma?”

Sharon -and- Olhmert are both in comas.

Walt

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

{{{By You are my hero Luck-o-doll April 13, 2007 10:58 AM To suggest that the public is for the Iraq war because of a single election in Conn. is stupid enough given that one has to ignore the results of every other election in the country,}}}

Your argument is with Charles Krauthammer, he wrote the article, you spastic.

Since you are too incoherent to handle this on your own, let me finish his thoughts for you:

How at this point — with only about half of the additional surge troops yet deployed — can Democrats be trying to force the U.S. to give up? The Democrats say they are carrying out their electoral mandate from the November election. But winning a single-vote Senate majority as a result of razor-thin victories in Montana and Virginia is hardly a landslide. And third, where was the mandate for withdrawal? Almost no Democratic candidates campaigned on that. They campaigned for changing the course the administration was on last November.

And if you persist that the election was about withdrawal then why haven’t your candy as-s candidates done it yet?

What do they know that you don’t??

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By History lesson for @@

April 13, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

No nation has the “right” to exist. Look at a 100 year old atlas and see how many nations did not have a “right” to exist. Is Isreal different in some way from every other nation that has ever been on the face of the planet?

By Cindy

April 13, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

getalife, Wouldn’t if just be hilarious if bush and cheney both got caught up in this e-mail scandal??? The thought has me rolling with laughter.

By Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

reebok - First of all, you folks still haven’t condemned Sandy Burglar in the on-going scandal over his theft of records from the National Archives. This issue is petty compared to that. Also, no one has yet questioned the president’s authority to fire those people for any reason whatsoever. The sad part is the president should have just come out and said that, then case closeed. The e-mails will be recovered. They will be twisted so they appear to be embarassing. No one will be indicted or go to jail, but the Democrats will rail about it.

Also, you folks need to get over the election of 2000, which YOU tried to steel, not the other way round. That would be like rehashing the elections of 1876 and 1960 over and over again. No doubt both of those elections were stolen, but that is ancient history. You also soundly lost four years later. Move on.

By IN THE NEWS

April 13, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Of Threats And Deletions And A Hefty Helping Of Hubris

By Walt

April 13, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

“By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

{{{By You are my hero Luck-o-doll April 13, 2007 10:58 AM To suggest that the public is for the Iraq war because of a single election in Conn. is stupid enough given that one has to ignore the results of every other election in the country,}}}

Your argument is with Charles Krauthammer, he wrote the article, you spastic.”

-You- quoted the traitor.

The drumbeat to war was led by Americans who sold out to Israel.

Saddam was no threat to us - he was well contained per the CENTCOM CG, General Zinni, but he WAS financing suicide bombers in Israel.

The way to stop that was to roll OUR Army and OUR Marine Corps in there and stop him.

Our military was sent to secure the national objectives of another country.

Walt

By Comicus

April 13, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

I see I’m not needed here, you already have a real funny guy.

Also, you folks need to get over the election of 2000, which YOU tried to steel, not the other way round. That would be like rehashing the elections of 1876 and 1960 over and over again. No doubt both of those elections were stolen, but that is ancient history. You also soundly lost four years later. Move on.

Sometimes stupid IS funny!

By Helping @@

April 13, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

HLF@@, does Palestine have an eternal right to land that no other nation in the history of the planet has had?

Don’t get it twisted.

By History lesson for Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

It is a myth that the 1960 election was ‘stolen’ in Ill. for Kennedy by Mayor Daley. Whether the tales of impropriety in that state are true or not, Kennedy wins the election without those electoral votes. Look it up for yourself. The difference in electoral college votes exceeded the number of electors from Ill. even if you put them in Nixon’s column. However, even if it were stolen I’d be glad because Nixon would not have been able to handle the Cuban missile crisis as nimbly and we’d probably not be here.

By Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

History lesson - You are soooooo wrong. The reason that the map has changed so much during the last one hundred years has been the consensus that nations do have the right to exist and defend that existence and not be dominated and coerced by colonial powers, thus the dissolution of the British, French and other empires and the 170+ independent nations today. Many argue that Kurdistan has a right to exist. It may yet in the future. Are you going to tell the majority of people in South Africa that they did not have a right to self-determination and they had to stay under the foot of the Boors?

Your argument flies in the face of history and in the face of the very reason for which your precious United Nations was founded. However, I know the real reason that you feel that way. You are an anti-semite liberal apologist for Islamic terrorists and you believe that if we can just destroy Isreal there will be peace. You are not only bigoted and twisted, but you are wrong.

By Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

History lesson - You forget about TEXAS which was also stolen by the venal Lyndon Baines Johnson. If you add them up, then you see that the election would have been tipped the other way. That is a fact, and Johnson even bragged about it. Daly bragged to about his machinations. I know you folks love to rewrite history, but you display your ignorance every time when you leave out vital facts. That is called LYING!

By Comicus

April 13, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Dear Mr. Gonzales and Colleagues:

By getalife

April 13, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

So, it started with an investigation into botched firings and developed into this.

I am amazed Ganzo and Rove have not resigned yet.

I guess these criminals will all go down together.

Let the impeachment hearings begin.

Game over.

Going out like Nixon.

By Chris Hansen

April 13, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Truthsayer,

I’m Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC and we’re doing a story on adults who engage in online chats to lure underaged children for sex. We’ve been monitoring you for some time now have been deeply disturbed by your comments. What do you have to say for yourself?

By steven daedalus

April 13, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

Truthsayer, Buy Danish, etc. same old bullcrap from same old wanker.

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

{{Going out like Nixon.}}

I like your predictions, Getalife!

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

Wolfowitz must have really felt like a “big man”, both when he was called “an architect of the Iraq war” and when he received his medal from W… we’ll see how big he feels when he gets dumped from his cushy job at the World Bank now:

“I made a mistake, for which I am sorry,” said the controversial Wolfowitz, a former deputy Secretary of Defense who was one of the main architect’s of the current war in Iraq. “In hindsight, I wish I had trusted my original instincts and kept myself out of the negotiations.”

I don’t recall any apologies from Wolfowitz regarding his crimes against America when “architecting” his war… anybody? Did he apologize to America for his crimes?

By Walt

April 13, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

“By Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

History lesson - You are soooooo wrong. The reason that the map has changed so much during the last one hundred years has been the consensus that nations do have the right to exist and defend that existence and not be dominated and coerced by colonial powers….”

That would preclude the way we invaded Iraq.

The United States waged aggressive war in violation of the UN Charter.

That is part of what I meant the other day when I said Bush had upset a status quo that favored us very much.

Walt

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

What this means is that colder air will filter in and significant snowfall is possible.

Snowfall in Late April, Bwahahahahahaha, WTF?

Anybody heard from al-Gore lately, is it too cold outside for him to come out and whine about “global warming?”

WTF?

Think about how close we came to emptying out the Treasury to these hysteritic candy as-s pinkos®, how close we came to becoming a third world has been nation, all because of some warm weather.

WTF?

When are we going to learn to immediately dismiss what these perverts say?

It’s all bullsh-it.

BBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

By Chris Hansen

April 13, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Walt,

I’m Chris Hansen of Dateline NBC and we’re doing a story on adults who use online chat rooms to seek sex with underaged children. You’ve been a target of our investigations for some time now and we find your comments very disturbing. What do you have to say for yourself?

By Walt

April 13, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

“I don’t recall any apologies from Wolfowitz regarding his crimes against America when “architecting” his war… anybody? Did he apologize to America for his crimes?”

It can’t be stated enough that CENTCOM plans based on 10 years planning posited a force of 380K to subdue Iraq.

Wolfowitz testified that the number was closer to 140K, which is about the actual size of the force used.

He sold out his country for the benefit of another country.

It is not anti-semetic to say that.

Walt

By Walt

April 13, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

“By Chris Hansen

April 13, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Walt,

I’m Chris Hansen of Dateline NBC and we’re doing a story on adults who use online chat rooms to seek sex with underaged children. You’ve been a target of our investigations for some time now and we find your comments very disturbing. What do you have to say for yourself?”

I’d say that there are a lot of children on this Blog.

Walt

By buff

April 13, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

Hey, RW, what have you been up to? Getalife, how is your health?

By Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Walt - this Chris Hansen kook seems to be an equal opportunity snit. Please ignore it. It will go away.

By Chris Hansen

April 13, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Well Walt, that’s our point. You seem to be a little bit to interested in children and we were wondering how long you’ve been doing this. Do you know that it’s illegal for you to solicit them, let alone visit them?

By History lesson for Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

Lots of unfounded assumptions, you must be proud. Besides the fact that I said none of those things you attribute to me, the point remains, nations have no “right” to exist. They citizens of a nation certainly have the natural right to kill and die to protect their nations if they choose to do so. However, if they choose not to or are unable to do so that’s just the breaks. Just ask the Palistinians, the Kurds, the Chechens, etc…

Furthermore, nations don’t have rights, individuals do. And the rights that individuals have derive from God. If that makes me a liberal apologist for Islamists then so be it.

By Chris Hansen

April 13, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

Truthsayer,

We have been investigating you even longer than Walt. What’s the matter? Don’t you have a ladyfriend or someone to spend time with? Children are not to be solicited for sex anywhere, especially in the state of Georgia. You should be ashamed of yourself.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Hey buff,

Alive and kicking.

Did you see the poker game bust in Roswell?

By Walt

April 13, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

“By Chris Hansen

April 13, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Well Walt, that’s our point. You seem to be a little bit to interested in children and we were wondering how long you’ve been doing this. Do you know that it’s illegal for you to solicit them, let alone visit them?”

I don’t believe there are any children based on chronological age here. Although there are some pretty childish, petulant kids.

Walt

By History lesson for Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Regarding Texas in 1960. So you are telling me that Texas, who had NEVER elected a Rebuplican to that point and had LBJ on the ticket would have lost Texas but for cheating. Your stupidity is striking.

BTW: Gore would have won but the GOP cheated in Wyoming and Utah.

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

{{{By Chris Hansen April 13, 2007 11:52 AM Walt, I’m Chris Hansen of Dateline NBC and we’re doing a story on adults who use online chat rooms to seek sex with underaged children.}}}

To which Wally, brilliant liberal thinker answers:

{{{I’d say that there are a lot of children on this Blog.}}}

So this is a yes?

WTF?

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By Chris Hansen

April 13, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Walt,

That is correct, but we also have access to your personal email account and what we read was to graphic to post here. My advice to you would be to seek some professional help before we call the authorities.

If there’s something else you’d like to share with us we’d be happy to hear it, otherwise you’re free to go.

By steve-o

April 13, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

MassenDull,

You are quite the douchebag. It is clearly obvious that you know fuuuckall about global warming. It’s about the AVERAGE temperature increasing and weather patterns becoming more predictable and unusual.

Complacent idiots like you have always tried to hinder progress and opportunity and throw the Galileos of the world in jail.

“Green” industry will be the next big thing as consumers and companies will constantly find ways to limit consumption and keep costs down. Instead of encouraging innovation and an emergence of new green entrepreneurs, Bush, Cheney, and screeching wingnuts, like you and that fat radio guy in Palm Beach, prefer to remain lazy and complacent, while the rest of the world passes us by.

By Buy Danish

April 13, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

I’d venture to guess that you were banned by LGF because you are a babbling fool and have about as much credibility as the bedraggled lunatic who walks back and forth on the streets of Times Square wearing a sandwhich board that says “The End is Near.”

Goldie,

First of all, you’ll have to show us where Sharpton and Jackson have accomplished one freaking thing in the “boycotts” you claim they have started. Either those boycotts never happened, or they were nothing but phony p.r. attempts - like virtually everything those two hustlers do.

Secondly, since you’re overjoyed that Imus has lost his livlihood because he exercised his “free speech”, why do you use the word “Uber” before Paul’s name? Isn’t “Uber” code for “Nazi” and how is that any different from what Imus does?

You’re fired!

Walt,

See above to Goldielocks, but in your case the word is “neo-con” which is code for “Jew”.

You’re fired!

Snake,

Reality check time:

Obama, Sharpton and Jackson are all Liberal Democrats as are the head honchos of CBS and NBC.

I know that liberal Alan Colmes is opposed to Imus’ firing, as are conservatives Hannity, Coulter, Limbauh, Ingraham, Boortz and Medved.

In this case, it is the liberal Democrats who bowed to extortionist threats from other liberals - specifically black liberals who threaten, err, put pressure on white liberals who panicked.

Frankly, I hope Imus turns around and sues, since he did not violate FCC rules and they have enabled him to be Imus for decades now. Unless they can demonstrate that they have issued formal warnings to him, it seems to me that he has a case against them.

Finally, if they were worried about losing ad dollars, which would have been a temporary drop in revenue that would have been recouped once this tempest in a teapot blew over, what are they going to do to make up that revenue now the that the shows have been cancelled completely?

By steve-o

April 13, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Change that at 12:15 to “weather patterns becoming more UNpredictable and unusual.”

By History lesson for Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Regarding Texas in 1960. So you are telling me that Texas, who had NEVER elected a Rebuplican to that point and had LBJ on the ticket would have lost Texas but for cheating. Your stupidity is striking.

BTW: Gore would have won but the GOP cheated in Wyoming and Utah.

By Buy Danish

April 13, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

I’d like to take this time to apologize to everyone on this blog. Due to Chris Hansen closing in on me, and revealing me as Dateline NBC’s first female sexual predator, I must make amends to all those who I have attacked on this blog.

You see, my husband cheats on me constantly and spewing my self hatred onto you guys is the only way I feel vindicated.

I hope you understand,thanks.

By Buy Danish

April 13, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Stephen Deadalus,

Refresh my memory.

Aren’t you the one who warned me that God was going to strike me dead for being a conservative?

You and N-GA would make quite a team.

By steve-o

April 13, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Obviously you live in a parallel universe. Imus was fired because of sponsors pulling out and because of other CBS employees and media personalities not wanting to be associated with him.

This black liberal didn’t think he should be fired.

Also, don’t act like what Imus said was rather benign. You don’t believe me, then walk up to a black woman and call her a “nappy-headed ho” and see what happens…

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

Little Harry Reid, tripping out of his mind:

{{{“In the Senate’s first 100 days at work, we have passed legislation that cleans up Washington, gives working Americans a raise, cuts taxes for working families, restores fiscal responsibility and allows federal funding for stem cell research. Democrats have also made the homeland more secure and continue to hold this Administration responsible for its failed policies in Iraq.}}}

Does this dude know about google or is he still figuring this to be the era of Dan Rather and inmitigated liberal bullsh-it.

Anybody that cares to look will see that everything he listed is a pipe dream, that all of it has failed in one fashion or another.

Who is he talking to?

Who does he believe is that stupid?

gitmo?

Midori?

Wally, the admitted online child molester?

WTF?

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By Walt

April 13, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

Rethugs want to use as one of their FOX News generated refrains that regime change in Iraq was the policy under Clinton also.

So they will have to give kudos to Cllinton for realizing that the CENTCOM planning that posited 380K troops for the task really made Iraq invasion proof.

That Clinton team was pretty sharp.

Walt

By RE

April 13, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

I hope the EU can deal with turkey diplomaticly and defuse the situation in Iraq, I just do not see the current US state department having any effect, and with Iraq not able to reach quarom in parliment, there will not be any effort from thier side either.

The thing that really bugs me about this is the lack of attention it gets. Look at drudge or huffpo, all kinds of links to Imus stories, some on gonzales and e-mail, nothing about Turkey.

@@, that link you provided was from 2003, 4 years ago. thanks but do you have anything more recent?

By getalife

April 13, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

BD,

Stop the strawman bs on the posters and debate the posts.

You are embarrasing yourself again.

Geez.

By Chuck

April 13, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Let’s see if I get the “global warming debate” right. I can rely on the opinions and career-long work of over 250 worldwide geologiical scientists and climatologists or I can trust the opinions of those two, trained experts on changes to the earth’s future climate, Sean “Vanity” Hannity or Rush “I-never-pass-up-a-pill-to-pop” Limbaugh. Hmmm!! Let me struggle with this.

By Buy Danish

April 13, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Don’t you have any sympathy for what I’m going through? My husband is out with his “assistant” right now as we speak! It looks like Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC is gone so I have enough time to clear out all my email accounts.

Have some pity for an old woman!

By steve-o

April 13, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

Chuck,

What will be even more funny is when we will have to start importing green technology on a large scale because idiot arseholes like Bush and Cheney refuse to recognize the need to promote green industry and innovation.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

RE,

I am not finding much on it and guess the media is waiting for the invasion since Turkey has made these threats before.

CNN has a Turkish General talking about it and he wants to invade.

By RE

April 13, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Chuck, you forget the one guy who the folks who think global warming isn’t influenced by fossil fuels always bring up. Richard Lindzen. Whenever they need somoeone with actual credentials to hide behind, this is the guy. The funny thing is it is just one guy, but you will see articles come out with headlines where they do not have to refer to him, such as “top climatologist” or “MIT climatologist”. But it all comes back to this one guy.

By Walt

April 13, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

LuckoDull,

Chris Hansen doesn’t have any evidence on me. I made sure that I cleared out my sent messages in my inbox. If Dateline NBC wants to catch me, there out of luck!

Walt

By Joe Right

April 13, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

Isn’t it amazing how Mike Luckovich gets away with character assasination, lies, and general total dishonesty day after day and the Libs cheerfully go along for the ride without neerly a peep?

By getalife

April 13, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Joe,

Rove broke the law.

Why are you supporting criminals?

By buff

April 13, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

get: yeah I saw the bust news. Wow, I feel so much safer knowing a bunch of middle-class white guys are no longer playing poker

By Daniel

April 13, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

I love Luckovich! Nothing like starting the day with a great belly laugh. He is invariably on target. Greedy people take themselves way too seriously. The rats who have hijacked the republican party are on their way out. If you don’t like Mike, get out of here.

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

{{{By steve-blow April 13, 2007 12:15 PM Complacent idiots like you have always tried to hinder progress and opportunity and throw the Galileos of the world in jail.}}}

And here I thought that “global WARMING” meant that it would get warm outside, I should have known it wouldn’t be that simple.

After all, these are the same people that insist radical Islamic looneys in Iraq wouldn’t EVER, NEVER cooperate with radical Islamic looneys in Afghanistan because they said so.

Or that the world would run out of food in 1970.

And the ice age would return in 1980.

And the “population explosion” would bring on global famine and war and kill all but a few hundred thousand people.

Or that DDT “harmed” bird eggs and that millions of African children dying was worth protecting the vanity of elite pinko liberals sheltered in their energy consuming mansions.

I’m just waiting for you hysteritics to be right about something.

Anything.

Just once.

Know what I mean?

BBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

April 13, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

Steve-O,

How is it that it’s okay for you to say Imus shouldn’t have been fired, but when I say the same thing I’m breaking some politically-correct speech rule and need to be lectured to by you because you’re a black man?

As for the sponsors dropping out, they know how effective Jackson and Sharpton are at blackmailing, err, boycotting corporations until they get the big payouts they’re looking for. The advertisers panicked prematurely.

Indeed, Jackson and Sharpton are so good at boycotts that if they really were serious about boycotting the Record Companies for peddling ghetto porn, they would have succeeded.

By regulator

April 13, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

here,here, Daniel.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

buff,

I know, it is ridiculous.

By Joe Right

April 13, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

Right, and who made you prosecutor, judge and jury? Show me the evidence. As usual, just like the LaCrosse players, Libs convict people in the media while they protect their own even if they were caught up to their elbows in the cookie jar, like Sandy Burglar for one.

By Moronicus Pointus Outicus

April 13, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

LUCKODULLISAMORONLUCKODULLISAMORONLUCKODULLISAMORON¨

By Buy Danish(the real deal)

April 13, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

Steve-O,

One more thing: Is it true what they say about you black guys? I’ve always fantasized about it and was wondering what it would be like to do it with you. Tell me please!

By Midori

April 13, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I’d like to see you donate your brain to science, so that 2000 years from now the world will have proof of your overall ignorance and stupidity.

Word of mouth just wouldn’t do in your case.

By Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

History lesson - you really do live in a fantasy world and you don’t know your history. Eisenhower won Texas in 1952 and 1956, and the state was beginning to trend, slowly, to the Republicans in the metropolitan areas. Also, you really need to check your facts. Utah and Nebraska are notoriously reliably Republican in presidential elections and Bush won them in 2000 by very WIDE margines. No one with even half a brain would believe the assertion you just made. In fact, since 1952, Nebraska and Utah have only gone Demoncrat once, in the huge Johnson landslide of 1964 when Nebraska cast 52% of its vote for Johnson. Utah cast around 52-53% to the best of my memory. All of these are facts which can be checked. I can even give you the margine by which Kennedy-Johnson won Texas in 1960, it was 22,000 votes, most of them DEAD. Now go sit in the corner with the dunce cap on your head.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

Joe,

FYI, I thought the Duke guys were innocent but they should have went to a strip club.

Rove using a differnt email system is illegal and then deleting the emails is illegal too.

Its a slam dunk.

By Moronicus Pointus Outicus

April 13, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

LUCKODULLISAMORONLUCKODULLISAMORON¨

By Daniel

April 13, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Show America the 18 days of deleted e-mails; they’ll show you the crooks.

By Moronicus Pointus Outicus

April 13, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

LUCKODULLISAURINALCAKELUCKODULLISAURINALCAKE

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

April 13, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this

The Wall Street Journal had a poll and 72% said that Imus should have been given a second chance.

Which proves my assertion that the advertisers had a panic attack, as did the CBS and NBC execs.

Later….

Maybe the moronic nickjacker will be gone by the time I come back - he must be waiting for mommy to help him cross the street and get back to the sandbox.

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

April 13, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

While I’m gone, can you cite the law that you claim Rove broke by using a separate email account for his political activities?

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

RE: You’re right.

I can’t find anything on Turkey.

Maybe it’s not worth sucking your thumb over.

It’s kinda like a mini “global warming” panic attack.

Get a grip, take hold of yourself.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®

By Chuck

April 13, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Dear LuckoDull—

I don’t believe for one minute that radical Islamic looneys would NEVER, EVER cooperate with others of their ilk in Afghanistan. I believe they all mean us harm and, given an opportunity, will do just that. What bothers me is that so many Americans take idiotic positions on issues in the face of irrefutable facts and just refuse to admit they’re wrong. For instance, as much a liar Bill Clinton was (is), he’s being out-trumped by an Administration that can’t figure out how not to mix the people’s business with email accounts from its political party made available to 50 or so Whitehouse. Isn’t it going to be a little difficult for the Administration to argue the merits of “Executive Priviliege” when it has effectively waived it on ANY information contained on the servers of those email accounts? Are the people supposed to accept this unabashed mixing of their business with the political interests of a private association? It might be colder than normal in this country everyday for the next 12 months. That doesn’t mean, however, that over the course of 30 or 40 years the predictions of a large group of otherwise reputable scientists should be discounted because two of this country’s foremost radio propagandists say it’s untrue. I’m not willing to put my future or that of my grandchildren in the hands of two individuals who are essentially political hacks. You shouldn’t either.

By Joe Right

April 13, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

Did you fail the bar exam by any chance. What should be illegal is your own thought process, but then I’m not hearing you addressing Mr Sandy, long pockets, Berger’s really, really illegal activity am I?

By Chuck

April 13, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this

Sandy Burger belongs in prison.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

Let it go Joe,

That case is over and Rove’s is beginning.

Focus on the toon man.

Geez.

BD,

Why?

You will spin it anyway. For some silly reason, you think w does nothing wrong.

Here is a clue, the laws were written after Nixon erased the tape.

Use the google.

By Daniel

April 13, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

Imus is a pile of garbage. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Hopefully, this will be the beginning of the end for the hate-filled talk radio rat republicans. You knew Imus’ days were numbered when the advertisers took a powder. Repiblicans love the rancid tongue of liquid sewage.

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

{{{By Chuck April 13, 2007 1:03 PM Are the people supposed to accept this unabashed mixing of their business with the political interests of a private association?}}}

You have to wonder how much brain power we’re dealing with here:

Photo: Obama illegally invites campaign adviser into Senate office

I mean really, are they stupid or do they truly realize that they are exempt from the same laws as everyone else?

We’re talking brain damage here, stunted ignorance, either birth defects or accidental electrocution, a massive drug overdose, or something of that nature.

{{{That doesn’t mean, however, that over the course of 30 or 40 years the predictions of a large group of otherwise reputable scientists should be discounted because two of this country’s foremost radio propagandists say it’s untrue.}}}

When the F did I ever say Limbaugh?

When, did I miss one of my own posts?

All I have to do is step outside to know you people are unmitigated jackas-ses, the most ignorant believers of propaganda, propaganda created solely to enrich the scientists spouting it.

They know how much money is involved in it and they know how stupid liberals are.

It’s the perfect combination.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

By History lesson for Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 1:22 PM | Link to this

No one with half a brain would have thoughtthat the Utah and Wyoming thing was anything but a joke. Good catch on 1952 and 56. I thought Texas was in the same boat with GA in AL which voted Democratic in every election since the Civil War until Democrats came up with this crazy idea that blacks should have the right to vote and go to school with white kids. LBJ lost the south for over 40 years for that move. Republicans then harnessed that hatred and bigotry in order to win elections.

By RW-(the original)

April 13, 2007 1:27 PM | Link to this

LuckoDull,

There’s a glaring omission on your list of things the shrieking hysteritic moonbats were wrong on.

Weren’t we all supposed to be living in caves and scrounging for scraps when the devastation of Y2K hit us?

/just passing through…

By getalife

April 13, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this

“Colbert Promotes Donald Rumsfeld for War Czar”.

The Daily show had a very funny bit on the war czar last night.

Rove for email czar.

Geez, what a mess.

By RW-(the original)

April 13, 2007 1:32 PM | Link to this

Hey Buff,

Good to hear from you! Hope all is well out there on the WPT circuit.

/out for real

By ERROR 404

April 13, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

My name is the same as the entire content of the link from IN THE NEWS at 1:44

By IN THE NEWS

April 13, 2007 1:52 PM | Link to this

More Obstruction of Justice?

By Nancy Pelosi

April 13, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

The president is not king, the president is the president of the United States. America is a democracy. We have to make decisions based on our judgment. Thus far, the president’s judgment hasn’t been good, in terms of say for example the war on Iraq. So with all due respect to the president and the role he has, we want respect for the role we have. And members of Congress have gone on fact finding trips since our country began. We’re not going to stop because the president wants to avoid the facts and doesn’t want to engage in dialogue. We had a bipartisan trip, interesting that the administration chose to ignore the trips of the Republicans who had been there in the week that we were there.

By Chuck

April 13, 2007 1:55 PM | Link to this

LuckoDull—

The principle of not mixing the people’s business and private business should apply to Obama as well.

But then that hasn’t stopped this Adminmistration and others as well. You’re far too partisan.

By History lesson for Nancy Pelosi

April 13, 2007 1:56 PM | Link to this

And I guess geography too. America isn’t a country and The United States of America is not a democracy.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

“Am I the only guy in this country who’s fed up with what’s happening?” Iacocca writes. “Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We’ve got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff.”

I am with you Lee but we have this cult blaming it all on the liberals.

Right wingnuts?

Geez.

By Joe Right

April 13, 2007 1:59 PM | Link to this

Just a partying comment, S-A-N-D-Y B-E-R-G-E-R.

By steve-o

April 13, 2007 2:04 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Of course it’s not racist for you to say that Imus shouldn’t have been fired. And no, I’m not lecturing you as a black man. Where the hell did you get that from?

I just disagree with your assertion that Imus was the victim of Jackson and Sharpton.

Also, Sharpton continues to address the negative effects of misogyny in hip hop. You should maybe listen to his radio show or read some of his columns instead of reading about him on Worldnetdaily.com, or whatever right-wing blog you get your info.

By Chuck

April 13, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

Hey, Joe….

Who can’t get his lies right?

A-L-B-E-R-T-O G-O-N-Z-A-L-E-S….

He’s also being nominated by the Administration as “Federal Manager of The Year.”

By regulator

April 13, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this

For a moment lay down your arms,quit firng at each other and go to sfgate.com, and read Don Amussen’s cartoons,he is the funniest satirist,if there is such a word, working today. They are in the opinions section.

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

April 13, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

{{{By Daniel

April 13, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

Imus is a pile of garbage. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Hopefully, this will be the beginning of the end for the hate-filled talk radio rat republicans. You knew Imus’ days were numbered when the advertisers took a powder. Repiblicans love the rancid tongue of liquid sewage.}}}

Danny Boy,

For what it’s worth Imus is a Democrat. I know it’s difficult to believe that since, unlike most members of your party, he is a Patriot, served in the Marines, and is someone who didn’t believe the fable that Alger Hiss was an innocent victim of that mean Whittiker Chamber’s revelations that Hiss was a Communist.

Here is a story about another Democrat using the Ho word:

Rep. Linda T. Sanchez (D-Calif.) suspended her membership in the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Thursday afternoon, citing a need for “structural reforms to ensure that the caucus is more equitable and inclusive of all its members.”//She is the second member of Congress to leave the group this year as lawmakers lobbed charges of chauvinism within the group, mismanagement of the group’s political arm and too great an emphasis on seniority.//Sanchez’s sister, Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-Calif.) resigned earlier this year after accusing the group’s chairman, Rep. Joe Baca, another California Democrat, of referring to her as a “w*******” during a meeting in California. (Baca has denied making the comment.)

Just passing through - see ya later.

By Daniel

April 13, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

Nancy: The Baker-Hamilton report requested that America talk with the nations in the Middle East. Baker-Hamilton was the bipartisan group organized to give us ideas about how to stop war there. His Royal Flatulence, George Bush immediately escalated the conflict by sending more troops before sulking into a corner to suck his thumb. Talking with others is a skill found lacking in the republican corner. They prefer hate, lies, rancor and distortion.

By Walt

April 13, 2007 2:10 PM | Link to this

“By Buy Danish (the real deal)

April 13, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

While I’m gone, can you cite the law that you claim Rove broke by using a separate email account for his political activities?”

None.

Have you stopped beating your SO?

If government business was done through e-mail on a non-governmental server, that is illegal.

It violates the law that requires that presidential records be retained.

What Anericans -need- to do is demand a refund for the White House staff time used on political matters instead of the business of the People.

Walt

Walt

By steve-o

April 13, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this

MassenDull,

Global warming is a real phenomenon, and yes a lot of causes of it are man-made. What’s wrong with wanting to breathe clean air? Really, what’s the problem with wanting your kids to be able to benefit from a healthy planet?

Also, your studpid assertion that Saddam Hussein was a crazy Islamist is hilarious. The link between Iraq and 9/11 has been disproven many times and yet you still hold onto it!

Debating politics is one thing, but debating against a dilusional douchebag like you is tiresome and pointless.

By My 2 cents

April 13, 2007 2:13 PM | Link to this

Imus shouldn’t have been fired for the simple reason that I beleive that he is sincere in his apologies. We ought not crucify everyone who makes a mistake. We should be willing to forgive and move on. People shouldn’t be destroyed over a screw up. Further, I can’t support the firing because it was obvious that the move was financial and not because of the conduct itself. If the sponsors had stood by the show, he wouldn’t have been fired. If financial blackmail hadn’t been applied to the sponsors the sponsors wouldn’t have pulled their ads.

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

April 13, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this

Steve-O,

Where did I get that from? Gosh, I don’t know. Oh yeah, I remember!

{{Also, don’t act like what Imus said was rather benign. You don’t believe me, then walk up to a black woman and call her a “nappy-headed ho” and see what happens…}}

As for the Revs, I’m a New Yorker - I don’t need to read World Net Daily to know everything I need to know about the race hustling Al Sharpton.

You on the other hand may want to look up “Tawana Brawley” and tell me when Sharpton who has a radio show ever apologized for that disgrace.

Later….

By getalife

April 13, 2007 2:22 PM | Link to this

The war czar is Newt’s idea

Hilarious.

By Walt

April 13, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this

“And I guess geography too. America isn’t a country and The United States of America is not a democracy.”

So when you hear “America the Beautiful” you stopper up your ears?

And the United States -is- a democracy - a repreentative democracy.

Are you by chance a neo-confederate?

Walt

By IN THE NEWS

April 13, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

What’s His Name? MC Rove!

By steve-o

April 13, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I wasn’t lecturing you as a black man. Does it take a black person to tell you that calling a black woman a “nappy-headed ho” will get you into a heap of trouble?

And what about Tawana? Pagones was innocent and he successfully sued Sharpton and others.

Anyways, what the hell does Sharpton have to do with Imus insulting a group of female student-athletes?

By steve-o

April 13, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

My 2 cents,

I totally agree with you. He apologized and made a lot of effort to do so. I think that a suspension would have sufficed and if he erred in making a vile racist comment again, then there would be a case for him getting canned.

By Civics lesson for Wally

April 13, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

The United States is a Constitutional Republic.

By Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

History lesson - again, go sit in the corner. Texas voted for Eisenhower, the man who was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff when the military was integrated and who enforced the Brown v. Board of Ed. decision and passed the first civil rights act since Reconstruction. You are typical of the liberals who have screamed race for too many years. I and my family certainly were not voting for Bo Calloway over Lester Maddox because we were racists. We actually were opposed to that DEMOCRAT because he was a racist. So we voted for the Republican. You really need to read a few GOOD history books. I always double check my facts. I don’t go off half cocked.

By FLASHPOINT

April 13, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this

We interrupt this regularly scheduled blogfest for the amusement of all conservatives.

Now let us go to liberal sources for what the dumbed down liberals think constitutes reputable news.

Liberal Links:

karlrovesucks

rawstory

dissidentvoice

yahooeynews

huffingtonspost

noquarter

firedoglake

motherjones

airamerica

alternet

crooksandliars

thinkprogress

All of the above end in .commies. Indoctrinating one small feverish mind at a time.

You libs keep em coming. The jokes on you IDIOTS.

By Midori

April 13, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this

it appears that flashpoint has met his or her own flashpoint, and has blown up in a state of stupidity.

By IN THE NEWS

April 13, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this

I THINK ARIANNA COULD TAKE MATT DRUDGE ANY DAY….

By Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 3:08 PM | Link to this

Flashpoint - You caught the snitch. The Quiddich match is over. We can all go home.

By We WERE a Republic but now we're a democracy

April 13, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

In Federalist numbers 10, 14, and 48, Madison insisted that the new Constitution established a republic, not a democracy, emphasizing in Federalist No. 10 that a “Republican” form of government protected the people from the dangers of tyranny of the majority. In his “Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution,” Noah Webster, writing as an American citizen, extolled the virtues of the American republic’s bicameral legislature; the very design of which was to protect the people from rash and hasty laws passed by a transient, passionate majority.

This unity among America’s founding statesmen remained unbroken as late as 1945, 158 years after the ratification of the Constitution, when the 79th Congress of the United States unhesitatingly approved, by joint resolution, the official pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States, containing the phrase “and to the Republic for which it stands.” Yet 60 years later, on the cusp of the 21st century, this affirmation that America is a republic, like the pledge itself, has fallen from favor. In its place is a new declaration that America is, and always has been, a democracy.

Indeed, there is hardly a voice left in Congress, much less in the White House, Republican or Democrat, who refers to our nation’s government as a republic. Even President Bush declared that his election to the presidency was a vindication of the integrity of “American democracy.” In doing so, the new president was simply following suit. For several decades, America’s political leaders have been promoting the virtues of America’s “democratic ideal” within, by shaping public policy according to the latest opinion polls, and at the same time, exporting democracy abroad, by employing American military power to reshape other nations’ governments to conform more closely to “the will of the people.” Both goals stand, however, in direct contradiction to America’s founding principles.

By Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 3:13 PM | Link to this

Walt, for the second time today I will take your side. The whole world refers to the United States of America simply as America. Secondly, technically we are a Republic which is a representative democracy. However, we are not a democracy. I cannot imagine anything more terrifying than a tyranny of shifting majorities. A republic is also important because it is a government of laws, not men!

By Harry Potter

April 13, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this

To remove any doubt

Truthsayer and Flashpoint (Luckodull or Dusty??) play for Slytherin House.

By RE

April 13, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

Forget the impeachments, file RICO charges against the RNC for obstruction

section 1503 (relating to obstruction of justice), section 1510 (relating to obstruction of criminal investigations), section 1511 (relating to the obstruction of State or local law enforcement), section 1512 (relating to tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant), section 1513 (relating to retaliating against a witness, victim, or an informant)

(5) “pattern of racketeering activity” requires at least two acts of racketeering activity, one of which occurred after the effective date of this chapter and the last of which occurred within ten years (excluding any period of imprisonment) after the commission of a prior act of racketeering activity;

By Sailor

April 13, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

Hey RW, if you want some of Andi’s lip-prints, come dust my p-nis.

By Walt

April 13, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

“By Civics lesson for Wally

April 13, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

The United States is a Constitutional Republic.”

You -are- a neo-confederate, -aren’t- you?

This is a representative democracy.

You’re pushing that neo-reb crap.

Walt

By Blackadder

April 13, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

“A republic is also important because it is a government of laws, not men!” -Truthsayer

You might want to inform Bush of that idea. I don’t think he agrees with you.

By For the Record ...

April 13, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

Truthsayer, it isn’t my theory of non-rival, non-exclusive public goods — it is accepted economics. Even jbmlaw seems to accept national defense as a public good (albeit the only one, it seems.) And if you allow that one such good exists, them you tacitly agree that the field of political economy becomes one of determing what others there may be, and what should be paid for them.

Do you really want argue that individuals, not communities, should privately contract for bridges, roads, sewer systems, water, police, fire protections, etc,; that is is “Marxist” for elected representatives to levy taxes for them?

Do you really want to argue that medical research would be more advanced if we abolished the National Institutes of Health and let private industry handle it? What possible financial motivation would they have to develop treatments for difficult diseases that only affect small numbers of people? Indeed, what motivation would they have for developing any preventive medicine or medical cures — it would put them out of business?

I am truly sorry the two of you feel robbed of money and freedom every time a poor child is innoculated. Fortunately, for the vast majority of Americans, “promote the general welfare” means more than merely piling up huge stacks of munitions.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this

Oh please, the gop believe in the Constitution.

Nice strawman Flash.

Did you find an actual post on those blogs to disagree?

Freaking wingnut cult.

Geez.

By IN THE NEWS

April 13, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Flawed System May Hurt Disabled Soldiers

By Blackadder

April 13, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this

Actual headline: “Iraqi leaders say bombing will unite them”.

In other news, Iraqi leaders fail to understand the physics of explosions

By Walt

April 13, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

“I cannot imagine anything more terrifying than a tyranny of shifting majorities.”

Robert A. Heinlein had a take on this that went something like:

“What crazy man said that a mob was smarter than an indvidual?

Then again, what would make one man think he was smarter than the many?”

Walt

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

{{{By UpChuck April 13, 2007 1:55 PM The principle of not mixing the people’s business and private business should apply to Obama as well. But then that hasn’t stopped this Adminmistration and others as well. You’re far too partisan.}}}

I’m going to go real slow with this, you try to follow along, O.K?

Who is it that the Senate is conducting their show trial against, is it Obama or Bush?

They already have a photo of Obama but yet they remain remarkably silent.

You know what I mean?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ®.

{{{By steve-Blow April 13, 2007 2:11 PM Also, your studpid assertion that Saddam Hussein was a crazy Islamist is hilarious.}}}

Oh, I get it, Saddam gassed thousands of Kurds while he was chanting “death to America” and he’s not at all crazy.

10-4, steve-o.

Maybe you’re the one that’s a little off, you reckon?

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By getalife

April 13, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

“I came to Washington in a different era, when
government was respected and liberals were
not demonized for wanting a better society.” — Helen Thomas, not a member of the wingnut cult.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

This one is for buff:

“I thought the online gambling bill we adopted was one of the stupidest things
I ever saw and I want to get it undone, I plan to file legislation.”
— Barney Frank, doing the right thing.

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

April 13, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this

Steve-O,

One more time - what did I say that you didn’t say?

This conversation began yesterday. Feel free to go through my posts. I am not going to print a disclaimer that Imus’ remarks were inappropriate after ever comment I make where I state or imply that I believe he should not have been fired.

Here are a bunch of Sharptonesque fools persecuting Imus while making every excuse under the sun for the bad behavior of ghetto porn artists - including blaming George Washington for their behavior.

I don’t know about you, but I don’t think this is a very constructive way to improve the status of blacks in America.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

Nevada governor faces string of scandals

Recall.

By Walt

April 13, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

“Oh, I get it, Saddam gassed thousands of Kurds while he was chanting “death to America” and he’s not at all crazy.”

Not any more.

Walt

By Bill

April 13, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

You can say goodbye to Christmas too. The new regime has decreed that there’ll be no jolly old white man out there, saying “HO HO HO!”

By steve-o

April 13, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this

MassenDull,

Was Saddam sick and twisted? Yes. Was he a radical Islamist? No. Was he tied to Osama bin Laden? Hell no. Why are we still having this conversation?

Buy Danish,

Oh boy, a lecture on how to improve black America. There’s nothing wrong with demanding respect.

There is no excusing bad behavior, but I don’t see why I should have to get on a soapbox and wag my finger in the faces of blacks who may have broken the law.

Also, sorry to say, but you can’t divorce the history of the mistreatment of African Americans from the current conditions that blight the community.

By Denali

April 13, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Correct, Bill. But isn’t this whole latest racial thing the fault of Santa Claus in the first place? It was Mister Claus who first brought the word “Ho” into the hood.

Not only that, but OJ is innocent as well. That poor, pure man, scarred for life by vicious racist remarks. What’s a mothah to do?

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

April 13, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

Steve-O,

So it’s George Washington’s fault?

[The Rap Chronicles - Four years of corporate and media excuse making.] (http://newsbusters.org/node/12010)

Where’s the outrage?

By History lesson for Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this

I would never suggest that there weren’t people in the South who voted, the 40’s, 50’s and early 60’s, for Republicans BECAUSE of the Dixiecrats racist ways. However, you have to remember that this was a very small minority. It was not until after the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, forced intergration that white southerners started voting for Republican presidential candidates in large numbers. There was a reason that LBJ sadi when signing the Civil Rights Act that “we’ve lost the South for the next 2 generations.” Of course he underestimated, but he was right. The liberal wing of the Democratic party lost the South by doing the right thing. To suggest that 95% of blacks vote Democratic and 65% percent of southern whites vote GOP is because the blacks are too dumb to realize that the GOP really has their best interests at heart is really stupid.

In the South the GOP is the party of closet racist, confederate flag waving morons and you and everyone else knows it.

By steve-o

April 13, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

You’re right. Growing up, we always maintained a deep hatred for George Washington in my household. How do you know black people so well?

As far as the link, it was a post of songs and antics rooted in fantasy. Disrespectful? Yes. Has Sharpton spoke against misogyny in hip-hop? Plenty of times.

Still I ask, what does this have to do with Imus calling a group of female student athletes a derrogatory term?

By Walt

April 13, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

“In the South the GOP is the party of closet racist, confederate flag waving morons and you and everyone else knows it.”

Bingo.

Walt

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

Steve-O, I wish you the best of luck with edumacating the likes of Danish-Donut, Dull-guy, Truth-Denier and Dusty-brain… they are not allowed to take in any new info that might actually shed some light into their rage-filled, dark minds. It’s that cult mentality of today’s GOP, ya know.

By @@

April 13, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

Oops RE, you’re right on that four-year old link. I went from the main page to those articles thinking, they too, were recent. I found it interesting, though, that Turkey’s concerns were the same then.

The PKK has been an ongoing problem for Turkey for decades. I’m surprised you’re not finding articles referencing the most recent problems.

I spend a lot of time in ME papers. It gives me a close-up look from the other side. Not one that I can always grasp.

Plus, have you ever noticed how everyone’s name over there sounds similar to everyone else’s name? How many different organizations exist within one country? I’m beginning to think those countries create their own chaos, even without our help.

I don’t mean to make lite of your concerns RE. I AM concerned about Iran’s vocal support of Turkey’s threats. That little “mole” Ahmadenijad is popping up everywhere.

There’s an awful lot of Turkish businesses investing in Northern Iraq. Have been for awhile, and continue to seek other opportunities there. Also, the EU has been putting a lot of pressure on Turkey before they will allow them entry into the EU, something that Turkey deeply desires.

Anyway…a U.S. Ambassador is on the job.

N Iraq Kurdish Government Ready For Talks With Turkey On Rebel Group

Off to vacuum the pool.

By ART

April 13, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

Steve-O, I wish you the best of luck with edumacating the likes of Danish-Donut, Dull-guy, Truth-Denier and Dusty-brain… they are not allowed to take in any new info that might actually shed some light into their rage-filled, dark minds. It’s that cult mentality of today’s GOP, ya know.

Yep Goldie…the above mentioned nimrods are kinda like Branch Davidians just waiting for 08 to happen.

By Walt

April 13, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

“Steve-O, I wish you the best of luck with edumacating the likes of Danish-Donut, Dull-guy, Truth-Denier and Dusty-brain… they are not allowed to take in any new info that might actually shed some light into their rage-filled, dark minds. It’s that cult mentality of today’s GOP, ya know.”

They are the Georgia version of “good” Germans.

They associate Lincoln and Reagan with their party when they should see Hitler and Geobbels.

Walt

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

April 13, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

Steve-O,

It’s not about you.

It’s about outrageous hypocrites like Sharpton who are intent on destroying Don Imus, but are apologists for a the very culture that perpetuates the words Imus has been fired for using.

Woops, maybe it is about you. You are making excuses for Sharpton and the ghetto culture too, although unlike those who debated Michelle Malkin, you’re not going as far back as George Washington to lay blame.

Don’t blame me either - I’m just the messenger reporting on the media. If you agree that that the Washington reference is ludicrous, why not complain to the jerks who perpetuate this nonsense? That is not a lecture - it’s a helpful suggestion.

Sharpton has issued lots of threats but does not follow it up with the remarkable energy he held in reserve for Don Imus. Google Al Sharpton+Boycotts if you don’t believe me.

Sharpton could have accepted Imus’ sincere apology, worked toward reconciliation, and moved on, but the reality is that Sharpton’s career (like Jackson’s) is dependent on dividing us as a nation and stoking the flames of discontent mostly to the detriment of his own supporters.

By Clem

April 13, 2007 5:21 PM | Link to this

How long before steve-o comes out and admits he’s One Voice and he’s about as black as Bill Clinton.

By Clem

April 13, 2007 5:23 PM | Link to this

How long before steve-o comes out and admits he’s One Voice and he’s about as black as Bill Clinton.

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

{{I and my family certainly were not voting for Bo Calloway over Lester Maddox because we were racists.}}

You’re correct, Truth-Denier. All of the old “Dixie-crats” have now been run out of the Democratic Party or are “without” a party by their choice (such as Zig-Zag “Frothy Mouth” Zell), because the Dems don’t stand for no racism no more… Zell who was always nostalgic for the good ole days of the Dems, with its lunatics like Lester. Zell served devotedly as an aide to Lester, as I seem to recall…

Many of the southern Dixie-crats are now feeling very welcomed into the Repug Party as part of Nixon’s “southern strategy”, remember? A great way to grow your party and its legacy, obviously.

By @@

April 13, 2007 5:24 PM | Link to this

Steve-o:

Forgive my intrusion, but the point of responsibility begins with the parent.

For argument sake, let’s look on Al Sharpton as the “parent” of the black community. When a parent offers only “lip service” to their child, but fails to set the right example, the child will usually follow the failed example and ignore the lip service. Rather than just talking about “offensive rap”, both he, and the African community need to pursue it as vigorously as they do others. I can’t help but recall the outrage that Bill Cosby’s remarks received from the many. I don’t remember if Sharpton and Jackson were among them or not.

The pool calls.

By Walt

April 13, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

“Sharpton could have accepted Imus’ sincere apology, worked toward reconciliation, and moved on, but the reality is that Sharpton’s career (like Jackson’s) is dependent on dividing us as a nation and stoking the flames of discontent mostly to the detriment of his own supporters.”

There is a problem with that hypothesis.

It doesn’t make any sense.

Walt

By BuyDanish'sJohn

April 13, 2007 5:27 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish my sweet. I am still trying to recover from that wonderful toothless treat this morning. You’re the best baby! Enjoy the 10 spot.

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 5:28 PM | Link to this

{{That is not a lecture - it’s a helpful suggestion.}}

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By Daniel

April 13, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

Imus is a bully. He’s just another right-wing thug who gets paid to push people around. He doesn’t care about America, he doesn’t care about her children. He cares about Imus. If liberals and m,oderates would write to stations who carry these freaks to tell them we won’t buy their advertisers products maybe things would change. Then, we should write to the sponsors themselves. Imus was history when the advertisers split. When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 5:34 PM | Link to this

News— love your link @ 2:25! MC Rove!

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

{{write to stations who carry these freaks to tell them we won’t buy their advertisers products maybe things would change.}}

Daniel, good idea and a good place to start with the removal of hate-radio talk from the free airwaves. Let Imus’ and Boortz’s and Hannity’s fans pay to hear their “freedom of hate speech” rants thru cable or satellite, just like Howard Stern’s fans now have to do to hear his sex jokes.

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

{{For argument sake, let’s look on Al Sharpton as the “parent” of the black community.}}

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Dontcha just love being told who “the parent” might be, for argument sake?:

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

April 13, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

Steve-O,

Our posts crossed earlier. No, that is not outrage. It is mostly empty “threats” and inconsequential scolding. Here is a more recent version of the same story.

I worked in the music business for 20 years. I heard all the excuses about how ghetto rap is a “reflection of the culture”, not an instrument to seduce youth into destructive and occasionally lethal behavior that perpetuates disaster.

I witnessed the overwrought outrage when parental advisory stickers were mandated, with the charge being that it was a form of “censorship”.

I witnessed intimidation by really nasty artist management who were, shall we say, cut of the same cloth of Malik Shabaaz.

My son rides on a school bus where he is one of the few “white boys”. He tells me all about the black kids calling eachother “niggah”, starting fights, threatening eachother, and generally behaving deplorably.

Consequently, he doesn’t have a very favorable impression of blacks. I have to keep reminding him of his own black friends at school, that these kids on the bus don’t represent all blacks, et cetera et cetara. It’s not easy. He sees what he sees. Whose fault is that?

@@,

I posted something yesterday that puts the Kurd/Turkey situation in perspective. The Turks are no angels in this situation

One can understand why the Kurds aren’t thrilled. It’s like a sort of Talibanesque cultural genocide.

By RW-(the original)

April 13, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

You realize that as soon as the lynch mob thinks they have something to go after a conservative talk host with they’ll start admitting that Imus was a liberal don’t you? They have to have a facade of balance when they go on their crusade to stifle free speech and expression.

When that day comes will you admit that you were wrong about Imus or will just parrot the new talking points and pretend you never said anything different?

By RW-(the original)

April 13, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

WTF? Some entertainment guy on Fox News is whining about NBC and said they only one show that’s even moderately successful. He said that show was 30 Rock.

No wonder you libs don’t trust Fox, Heroes is the best show on television and it’s on NBC.

By Daniel

April 13, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this

Goldie: Did you see Condi Rice’s coment on Imus? She said he was “Disgusting”. And, went on to add; “These are 18 and 19 year old women. “They are playing basketball in what was for them a dream season. Imus wanted to ruin it”. Imus represents the heart of the republican party right now. That coach had worked with those women for years to build a great athletic program. Imus wanted to hurt her. Those women had lost their first four games and had turned their season around. Imus wanted to hurt them. Imus is little more than an arrogant, incompetent, dimwitted bully. He never played the game. He never coached a game. He’s not even a fan. He’s like Bush and the dimwits on this Blog.

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this

{{{By BuyDanish’sJohn April 13, 2007 5:27 PM Buy Danish my sweet. I am still trying to recover from that wonderful toothless treat this morning. You’re the best baby! Enjoy the 10 spot.}}}

That^^^ would be a pinko who’s had some experience with the crack ho’s.

Eeeewwwwwwwww.

That’s pretty sick.

He must be f’ed up to only be able to get some hooker.

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By Buy Danish (the real deal)

April 13, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

{{{Daniel, good idea and a good place to start with the removal of hate-radio talk from the free airwaves.}}}

Comrade Goldie,

Not only are you a dumb blonde, but you are a Stalinist at heart.

Why don’t you find us one thing that Hannity (just as one example) has said that is “hateful”. Then explain why he should be silenced.

All I hear from you is hate, hate, hate of anyone who holds a different world view. You’re cheering people like Walt on who is calling me and others a NAZI.

What’s the difference between that and calling someone a “natty headed ho”? At least “Ho’s” don’t run around gassing millions of people to death.

By RE

April 13, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this

Is anyone else sick of hearing about Don Imus?

the guy said a dumb thing, and apologized for it.

There is an industry of outrage, people who’s profession is to be offended, to find a transgression and shout as loudly as possible for the purpose of self aggrandizement. That is what Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do. Every possible differentiation in society has it’s own outrage group and leaders, Black folks have Jesse and AL and the NAACP, Catholics have Bill Donahue, Muslims have CAIR, Jews have the ADL, Christians have Pat Robertson, Bill Bennet and countless others. Then there are the freelancers like Bill O’Rielly who are outraged for all different reasons.

Guess what, no matter who you are someone somewhere is not going to like you. Toughen up. Every individual can succede or fail based upon thier own merits, and at some point you will have a boss or co-worker who is ignorant, abusive, racist, sexist, or does not like your religion, or lack there of.

There are protections against discrimination (except if you are gay) for your job, where you live, your voting rights, and just about every other item or service you will need in your life and if you feel like those protections have been infringed upon, by all means seek legal remedy. If all that happen is that you were offended, toughen up.

By Daniel

April 13, 2007 6:03 PM | Link to this

RW: Imus got himself. His ouster presages the political climate in this country. Imus merely reflects, like Limbaugh, his audience. America has endured these freaks for a long time. Do you know who Father Coughlin was? The days of right-wing radio are numbered. Now, I’m not talking about conservative radio. Have you noticed? Novak, Will, Bartlett, Buckley Jr. and others have hit the road. Tucker Carlson is against the war. The republican party has been hijacked. Get rid of Limbaugh, Coulter, Barnes, Hannity, Beck, Robertson and Falwell. Put your house in order. Embrace the bully, you become the bully.

By Jeff

April 13, 2007 6:07 PM | Link to this

RE, relax Flash. But how does one properly say “Seig Heil” with a combination black-Republican accent?

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

{{No wonder you libs don’t trust Fox, Heroes is the best show on television and it’s on NBC.}}

No, RW— the best show on NBC is “The Office”. And actually it’s the best show on any of the free networks.

By RW-(the original)

April 13, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

Nice rant but what does it have to do with you trying to pretend Imus was a conservative?

RE,

Nice post! Unless you were nicjacked buy yourself a cold one and tell yourself it’s from me. You only went off the tracks once and not until the aside in the fifth paragraph.

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

And you Imus-lovers who keep claiming that he was “a liberal” obviously don’t know that he called himself “liberterian”, which is just another name for Repugs who like to smoke marijuana…

By @@

April 13, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish:

I’ve been reading, and you’re right. The Turks have a lot to answer for, and the EU is pressuring them on those very issues.

Goldie:

Did you work really, really hard today? Are you overly tired?

You know, when children get overly tired, they tend to go into uncontrollable giggling fits, with intermittent crying spells. Totally out of control of their emotions and often times incoherent.

You might need to take a nap. Suck your thumb. Put your hands between your legs. You seem overwrought.

Nighty night.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this

Back to the toon,

Fitz already documented the missing emails in the Libby case.

I guess he will have to reopen his case on Rove.

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

{{{By Daniel April 13, 2007 5:53 PM He’s like Bush and the dimwits on this Blog.}}}

These libs can’t even admit to their own, a person busted flat out with no question, has been an undeniable pinko® for years and years, just as long as there has been pinkos®.

And what does Queen Danny do?

Calls him a “Conservative.”

What a wanker, who in the F does he think he’s fooling?

What other bullsh-it has come out of this pus-sies mouth?

If he has to lie about something so obvious.

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By Goldie

April 13, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

I believe that Imus has stated that he voted for Ray-gun during the 80’s, and then Daddy Bush, and then Chimperor Bush in 2000. Doesn’t seem very “liberal” to me.

By RW-(the original)

April 13, 2007 6:13 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

I hate the Office, but My Name is Earl is pretty good too if you’re only talking about mindless comedy. I’m talking about a good show that has character development and multiple plot lines which manage to hold themselves firmly together. No sitcom can qualify for that, but I can see why you want to stick to something easy.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 6:14 PM | Link to this

Imus was a McLiar lover.

By RE

April 13, 2007 7:05 PM | Link to this

How can you hate the office, that is a funny show. Off rhythm humor, but funny.

I was watching my 10 year old nephew last night and sat through the George Lopez show and According to Jim. What horrible inane shows. Bad laugh track, no real humor, it was like watching the half hour comedy hour on fox news. But the 10 year old liked it, so I guess that is why they are on the air

By RW-(the original)

April 13, 2007 7:18 PM | Link to this

RE,

Hate is too strong a word. I’ve never been able to sit through a whole episode of The Office without being bored to tears by their obvious jokes that you can see coming a mile away. I’m sure it’s probably better than the other three shows you mentioned though. I’ve never gotten to the first commercial break on any of them.

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