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By Mike Luckovich | Thursday, April 12, 2007, 11:08 PM

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By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

Krauthammer nails the quote of the week:

Second, if the electorate was sending an unconflicted message about withdrawal, how did the most uncompromising supporter of the war, Sen. Joe Lieberman, win handily in one of the most liberal states in the country?

And he got the second place quote, too:

{{{John McCain has had no illusions about the difficulty of this war. Nor does he now. In his bold and courageous speech at the Virginia Military Institute defending the war effort, he described the improvements on the ground while acknowledging the enormous difficulties ahead. Insisting that success in Iraq is both possible and necessary, McCain made clear that he is willing to stake his presidential ambitions, indeed his entire political career, on a war policy that is unpopular but that he believes must be pursued for the sake of the country. How many other presidential candidates — beginning with, say, Hillary Clinton — do you think are acting in the same spirit?}}}

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The Urinal finally figured out how to get Queen Pinko to work two days a week!:

{{{I’ve grown accustomed to an undercurrent in public policy debates that blames black women for an array of social and cultural failures. Without making distinctions, that racist sentiment casts us all as lazy and drug-addled welfare queens, thoughtless breeders of criminals and unwed heathens who are sacking the sacred institution of marriage.}}}

Give her the opportunity to race bait, she’ll do the rest.

Why is it, I wonder, that when a democrat gets busted for discrimination it’s a “reflection on society” but when a Conservative does it it’s because of white men and the church?

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By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 8:03 AM | Link to this

Keeping that race baiting spirit alive:

{{{Prosecutor apologizes in Duke case, 3 players undecided on civil suit-Urinal}}}

It’s not the “white boys were innocent or the “girl falsely accused them” or even “Nifong was a rogue prosecuter,” no, it’s that meaningless apology that makes the pinko® world go round, the givers of universal forgiveness unless, of course, you are a Republican that apologizes.

To quote this dude’s boss, he maliciously used his office to buy voter favor by falsely accusing innocent people, much like what the United States Congress is engaged in right now.

Notice how we have no lib outrage?

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3rd runner up for quote of the week:

It is a combination of ratings envy and genuine puzzlement. This duo seems to drive all of Keith’s public confrontations and feuds. His frequent attempts to attract the attention of Bill O’Reilly are lame enough, but O’Reilly only has about 10 times Olbermann’s audience. Rush has about a hundred times the audience of Countdown’s party faithful. “How can that be,” Keith must ask himself, “when I’m so good and he’s so bad?” The fault, dear Keith, is not in their stars (or stats), but in yourself. It goes under the heading good humor, though a few hundred years ago it was called “virtu.”. Rush has it. Imus lost his at a crucial moment. You, at least every time I have seen you, have never had it. Not for a day. Not for a moment. It is what limits your audience to the angry and the envious….. why Brit Hume and his merry “Fox news all stars all” continue to dominate: They are generally and genuinely happy people. Their teeth do not grind at night. They are not consumed with paybacks and venom venting. They would no more particularize their political agenda into the comparison of a one of the country’s greatest legal minds to a Nazi mass murderer than they would abuse the Rutgers women basketball team. Sure, they play hardball –politics ain’t beanbag, as Mr. Dooley noted. (Look it up Keith, look it up.)

These are the real poll numbers, and you libs continue to lose, as always.

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By Goldie

April 13, 2007 8:13 AM | Link to this

Great work, Luckovich — your drawings always are real in their detail and Atlanta is so fortunate to have your talent to add to its list of attributes!

And similar to Don Imus’ demise, it’s only a matter of time before Rover reaches his “tipping point” with America and finally gets the boot!

A lawyer for the Republican National Committee told congressional staff members yesterday that the RNC is missing at least four years’ worth of e-mail from White House senior adviser Karl Rove that is being sought as part of investigations into the Bush administration

By Buy Danish

April 13, 2007 8:16 AM | Link to this

Refresh my memory.

Have we ever had a cartoon about Sandy Berger stealing classified documents from the National Archives, destroying them, and lying to the 9/11 Commission?

How about the missing billing records that had Hillary’s fingerprints on them that were found in the Map Room of the White House?

She is running for President afterall.

By Blackadder

April 13, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this

Well they did it. They bowed to pressure and fired Don Imus. What a boneheaded thing to do. What he said, while vile, racist, and insensitive to women, was not a firing offense. Suspension? Yes. A fine of some sort going to a women’s charity? Of course. But firing? If everyone who uttered a racist remark were fired we wouldn’t have Bill O’Reilly anymore.

When speaking about the immigration problem O’Reilly cut loose with this gem:

“We’d save lives because Mexican wetbacks, whatever you want to call them, the coyotes—they’re not going to do what they’re doing now, all right, so people aren’t going to die in the desert.”

and this one:

“O’Reilly criticized the Immigration and Naturalization Service for not doing its job and not keeping out ‘the wetbacks.’”

And two months later Bill O’Reilly was hosting a charity event for urban school children. An African-American singing group called “The Best Men” were schedule to perform, but were late. O’Reilly said to the audience:

“Does anyone know where the Best Men are? I hope they’re not in the parking lot stealing our hubcaps.”

Those remarks were every bit as bad as Imus’s. Where’s the outrage?

By Buy Danish

April 13, 2007 8:22 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

I hope you realize that you have lost one of the most important platforms for liberal candidates like John Kerry to spin their tales, and for liberal media muckety-mucks to call in and say how much “Bush sucks!” on a liberal radio/tv show.

Do you think the Al Sharpton’s radio show can capture Imus’ audience?

By who_really_cares_anyway?

April 13, 2007 8:23 AM | Link to this

ON TOPIC…what a refreshing change.

Cartoon: on target…..as usual!

By Buy Danish

April 13, 2007 8:26 AM | Link to this

I’m running out, but before I go I have a question for Blackadder:

Snake,

Who is “THEY”? To the best of my knowledge “They” were Presidential candididate Barack Obama, Senior management at CBS and NBC, people like Al Roker, and the race hos Sharpton and Jackson and their ever-outraged followers.

Every conservative who I respect does not believe Imus should have been fired either.

Let’s place the blame squarely where it lies: On Politically-correct liberal Democrats.

Later folks…

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this

Blackadder @ 8:17 — you make some good points. I see this as a starting point for clearing out some of the hatemongers who’re still on the airwaves today. We should make sure they are being paid for by the revenues from their subscriptions to cable and satellite fees and not on the public airwaves anymore…

And we allow delayed taping of live shows in order to weed out any offensive language… maybe we should start delay taping the Oxycontin Limbaughs, etal, on the radiowaves.

By w00t

April 13, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this

Look, all you crazy neocon’s. Clinton, Hilary, John Kerry, etc, etc, or who ever you try to throw the blame off to now! You know what? They’re NOT IN OFFICE! Stop trying find excuses and point fingers for this corrupt administration. You simply just don’t “lose” 5 MILLION emails. Unless you’re purposely trying to DELETE them. They have the obligation to save EVERY record from the president’s office. The only reason the Bush Administration would use a RNC email address and suddenly lose emails is if something fishy is going on, and it stinks an awful lot like fish. It’s really amazing that people stand and try to say that this type of behavior is ok, and try to brush it off on other individuals.

Why don’t you guys hold this administration to their so called “values”. Like, I dunno, HONESTY, and INTERGIRY!.

Oh, and btw, this whole Imus thing is a bunch of BS. There is such this HUGE hypocritical double standard in America. If Imus cannot say “ho” and “nappy hair” in the same sentence then neither can African American’s and Rap stars. It’s become strange that certain groups can lay claim and add value to particular words of their choosing. Al Sharpton should ask some of his people to step down from radio show’s, or tell his people to stop singing songs that promote the abuse of women. Because you know, 80% of rap albums sold in the US are sold to teenage white boys.

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

Yes, when will the piper be paid for this pinko®?:

{{{Impeccably liberal columnist Tom Oliphant had the misfortune to appear on Imus’ show after the “nappy-headed” comment and before it was clear that Imus was on his way to being expelled from polite company. Oliphant excused the Imus remark as something that “can happen to anybody,” and ended his appearance by saying that regular guests “have a moral obligation to stand up and say to you, ‘Solidarity forever, pal.’”}}}

“Solidarity forever” would mean unas-sing him from his job, I believe.

“It can happen to anybody.”

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By Paul

April 13, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this

Goldie 8:31

I’m always a bit troubled when it comes to the “we” as in “we should make sure” in getting people off the airwaves. I have a strong memory of my father, when I was in my formative high school years and had repeated something similar, saying “I don’t want anybody telling me what I can read, what I can see, what I can hear.” The pendulum swings both ways - the election rolls around then the judges become the judged. Sure there’s civility, manners and respect in discourse - but “Public Speech” - well, I’m a bit concerned about the ever-growing list of what can’t be said.

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

{{Al Sharpton should ask some of his people to step down from radio show’s, or tell his people to stop singing songs that promote the abuse of women.}}

w00t— you need to know that both Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have raised this issue many times and promoted boycotts of rap music for their abusive and hateful language toward women…

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

{{but “Public Speech” - well, I’m a bit concerned about the ever-growing list of what can’t be said.}}

Uber-Paul, we put limits on what is allowed for “public speech” on the airwaves. Do you want those limits abolished, such as for the F-word and the N-word? What are your personal limits for “free speech” on public airwaves?

By Blackadder

April 13, 2007 9:04 AM | Link to this

“Let’s place the blame squarely where it lies: On Politically-correct liberal Democrats.” -BD

Wrong again as usual. I’m a liberal Democrat who believes Imus should not have been fired. Every liberal I respect believes the same. The people responsible were the network honchos who were afraid of losing advertising dollars.

Big business (Bush’s base) was the villain in the firing. Not liberals.

I notice you didn’t respond to any of O’Reilly’s gaffs. Typical.

By Paul

April 13, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

That’s a good, tough question. But the answer causes the knots that - who was it, Justice Goldberg - said about pornography? “I can’t define it but I know it when I see it.” Theoretically, I can distinguish between the public airwaves and cable. It seems to me there is a big separation now between action, responsibility and accountability, while those (in the case of radio and cable) with the power to hire and fire look at not what’s right, but at “what’ll make us the most money?”

I know this is a lousy example for you, but the other day an editorial writer for the Denver Post labeled O’Reilly as a racist, saying he spewed vile something or other. When interviewed, she said it was because he used the term “illegal aliens” instead of “undocumented workers.” That’s part of what I was referring to.

It’s limiting discussing ideas by attacking people for using certain terms in trying to express themselves (this is NOT the case with the Imus issue).

Personal limits? Personally, I generally keep it as a rule of thumb that when people engage in labeling, hyperbole, unsupported accusations masquerading as opinion, that the argument is weak, so personally, I avoid that. There are (Court rulings) things that government can regulate as far as what’s shown or said on the airwaves - but it gets down to a case by case basis. So, no, I don’t want some rules abolished - but I am still uneasy about a wholesale ride towards limits on speech.

By Paul

April 13, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

Goldie - followup -

It’s the difference between what shouldn’t be said, and what can’t be said.

By steve-o

April 13, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this

Great point Goldie!

And for the rest of you who want to blame “PC liberals” or “race-baiters”, realize that the reason for Imus’s demise was:

1) Sponsors didn’t want their products to be associated with him, thus pulling out. No sponsors…no show. It’s, as you wingnuts say, “the free market deciding.”

2) The pressure on CBS to fire Imus came largely from its own employers and media personalities—i.e. Al Roker—who didn’t want to be associated Imus’s disgusting comments.

3) Referring to a black woman as a “nappy-headed ho” is a big no-no. I couldn’t even say that without getting in huge trouble. So yes, it is a very big deal. And before you say rappers say it, let me say that I don’t condone it there as well.

4) This isn’t the first time that Imus has stepped over the line. I’m sure by now all of you have heard a littany of every vile thing he has said over the years.

By @@

April 13, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this

Alright ml, on topic. You did a good job of capturing Rove’s smile, and your SERVER SUCKS!!!!

About fingers…I’d like to point mine towards Charles Krauthammer once again. You know…the columnist that some “compassionate” (cough) liberal here said “looks like a Chernobyl victim”.

Anyhoo, with my finger (guess which one) extended, this has come to “define” Democrats for me.

(((How at this point — with only about half of the additional surge troops yet deployed — can Democrats be trying to force the U.S. to give up? The Democrats say they are carrying out their electoral mandate from the November election. But winning a single-vote Senate majority as a result of razor-thin victories in Montana and Virginia is hardly a landslide.)))

(((Second, if the electorate was sending an unconflicted message about withdrawal, how did the most uncompromising supporter of the war, Sen. Joe Lieberman, win handily in one of the most liberal states in the country?)))

And third, where was the mandate for withdrawal? Almost no Democratic candidates campaigned on that. They campaigned for changing the course the administration was on last November.

(((Which the president has done. He changed the civilian leadership at the Department of Defense, replaced the head of Central Command and, most critically, replaced the Iraq commander with Petraeus — unanimously approved by the Democratic Senate — to implement a new counterinsurgency strategy.)))

Let’s see now, there’s “the platform they ran on” and then there’s the historical “flatform” of THEIR politics. CHANGING THE COURSE.

Give them an “inch”, they’ll redefine it, and call it a “mile” stone.

There’s no doubt about it in my mind. The “new democrats” are not a noble party. They’ll attempt to weigh this country down with their “political stonewalling” and sink the U.S. thinking they can win in 2008.

They define “POLITICIANS”, and who, if anybody, likes those?

Their motives become more clear each passing day. I, for one, will be passing them by in November, 2008.

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this

{{It’s the difference between what shouldn’t be said, and what can’t be said.}}

I’m with you, Uber… I’m not sure of what my “personal limit” is either. I personally did not think that Howard Stern should have had to move to satellite radio, simply because he took his “sex jokes” too far one day, but that’s what the sex police in America decided should be his fate… so, can we keep tolerating racist rants against entities such as a women’s basketball team, simply because some old geezer thinks he’s being funny while using racist language? What if you yourself had a daughter that was on an athletic team and she became the butt of someone’s racist or sexist language… your daughter who has been making her way through college and playing an athletic sport — what would you do as a father?

In Imus’ case, what it showed me was just how comfortable he had become in talking that way with his producer, like he was in a men’s locker-room, and so comfortable that he could not stop himself from talking that way on the public airwaves last week.

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this

Uber, I’m enjoying our adult discussions this morning, but I have work to do now, and will try to resume this adult debate later. Ta-ta!

By Shut up or put up

April 13, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

The cartoon that ML has bestowed upon us today should be part of a libel suit that needs to be sent to the AJC. This is nothing but a typical liberal smear tactic. You guys are really good at it, I give you credit for that. Is there any proof of Rowe’s actions? If so, take him to court, or shut up!!!!!!!!!!! You lib’s are good at making false claims, throwing the darts, and retreating, or shall I say “cut and run”. Sort of like the masked invaders now attacking our troops in Iraq, except you hide behind the fish wrapper e mail system. You are all like big month bass, all mouth and no action. Don’t forget, there is such a thing as due process in our wonderful nation, let’s use it. If it is proven through the court process that he is guilty, hang him up, but not till he has his day in court, even ya’ll ought to understand that, I hope, but I have been wrong before, when I voted for Carter.

By @@

April 13, 2007 9:23 AM | Link to this

Heeyyyyyyy! You off again today Goldie?

I know, I know….it’s none of my “beeswax”.

That ^^^ one made me chuckle. The things children say and do always make me smile.

By Walt

April 13, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

“Krauthammer nails the quote of the week:

Second, if the electorate was sending an unconflicted message about withdrawal, how did the most uncompromising supporter of the war, Sen. Joe Lieberman, win handily in one of the most liberal states in the country?”

Nonsense.

Krauthammer is one of the bastard Neo-cons who sold this country out to Israeli interests.

Further, the chances of the House flippping was nil — most of the states have thoroughly gerrymandered their Congressional districts — Georgia is one of the best examples. Another is Texas.

And look at the Virginia senate race. George Allen was firmly in control there.

But not any more.

Walt

By Truthman

April 13, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

Just another in a long line of Bush failures.

Paul was already a war criminal for his Iraq fiasco, now he’s paying his prostitute/girlfriend more money than Condi!!

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/WorldBankboardstatementleavesW04132007.html

What a bunch of Schmucks!!

By N-GA

April 13, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

Paul,

You’ve heard me comment on the US dollar. Well this issue doesn’t get much airplay, but you may find this commentary interesting: Doomsday for the Greenback

Note the recent actions by the PRC.

It is only a bit more strident than David Walker’s warning message that he has been delivering in every major US city for 18+ months.

Your thoughts?

By Paul

April 13, 2007 9:28 AM | Link to this

Goldie

In some cases, personalizing an issue is a good way to cut to the heart of the matter. I avoid personal references here - but my family has several “minority groupings” represented in spouses and children. So it isn’t all theory, here. What would I do as a father? Well, maybe that’s one of those things that, in the interest of decency, shouldn’t be said!

Your second paragraph - not just comfortable, but gratuitous, common, everyday. With a huge audience. I do hope he goes to his ranch in New Mexico and doesn’t pop up with another contract, somewhere.

By Mike

April 13, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this

How can the race-obsessed AJC editorial staff not even reference the Duke lacrosse case?

My guess is that the AJC staff doesn’t care about racial or criminal justice unless it can be used to attack those who don’t share their narrow world views.

By Paul

April 13, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

N-GA

I’m not much on conspiracies - “The demolition of the dollar isn’t accidental. It’s part of a plan to shift wealth from one class to another and concentrate political power in the hands of a permanent ruling elite” - but I do accept a series of decisions and nondecisions taken for non-interelated reasons can have the effect you describe.

But when the same points are made by Mr. Walker it has impact on me, as he’s saying, as I understand it - ‘these are the actions that elements of our country have taken, these are the decisions made, and these are the most probable outcomes.”

Why are such economic actions not scrutinized in the same manner as our foreign policy or military intervention policies? The impacts you referenced can be more critical - but isn’t part of the problem the attitude of “let the markets work it out”? Which strikes me as a silly refrain, given it’s not markets, but government, that is taking many of the actions.

Personalizing this - I look at my kids and sometimes shudder at the probable mess that may hit them through no fault of their own.

I’m about to get to work - later -

By RW-(the original)

April 13, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Blackadder,

Can you name the high profile Conservatives that were calling for Imus to be fired? Why would you expect someone to respond to the O’Reilly quotes that you wrote? It’s not like you have an ounce of credibility and the third one is the only one that sounds familiar. Audio/video please.

ml,

I have to admit I laughed out loud at this cartoon. I’m sure it’s no more accurate than the rest of your delusional “work” but it is funny.

By @@

April 13, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

Walt @ 9:26:

Do you hide in your house with the blinds closed in fear of yarmulkes?

It looks like you may have cut your “baby teeth” on this deadwood.

(((According to reputable scholars, including Prof. Norman Cohn in his noted book, Warrant for Genocide, the world-control myth was actually lifted from a 19th century French political satire in which the alleged plotters weren’t even Jewish.)))

You do know that “radical extremists” bought into that ^^^ garbage hook line and sinker, don’t you? It’s what they use to justify their genocide.

OMG…”Cohn”, that’s a Jewish name, isn’t it?

Run for the hills Walt. The yarmulkes are coming.

Are you a radical extremist Walt?

By Neo

April 13, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this

Rw has credibility?

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By Goldberg

April 13, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

Walt, Do you have something againest the Jewish nation? Don’t hold back, just let us know your true feelings.

By N-GA

April 13, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Conspiracy theorists tend to lean to the extreme, but the article still points out recent events/actions that are significant, yet under-reported.

Walker’s message seems to be falling on deaf ears. Perhaps that is because there is relatively low unemployment. Perhaps it is because the subject is complex and its root cause(s) is not attributable to a specific political party. Perhaps it is ignored by many who understand it because they are too busy scrambling “to get their share”.

I also worry about our children’s future. Are they the next generation that has to live through a global depression along with the food lines, unemployment, poor healthcare, shorter lifespans and limited access to education?

The cynic in me says that if society knew this outcome to be certain, they would still do nothing to change.

By @@

April 13, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this

Just a moment of sharing.

I visit a geopolitical discussion forum. I never participate, just read. Some really indepth analysis of our world today.

Super intelligent people. Anyway, some guy comes in complaining that someone is discussing the ME from a religious perspective. He very rudely declares that “nobody wants to discuss world events with a religious zealot”.

I guess he assumed that his “nobody” included everybody. So anyway, the same guy opens up a thread he entitles “Some very important questions that need answers”. That was two months ago. He got zero responses. His was the only thread that got “ZERO”.

I’m guessing he shot his “one bullet” with his attack on religion.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

What forum @@?

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON — A woman charged with running a D.C.-area prostitution ring on Thursday made good on her threat to identify high-profile clients, naming a military strategist who developed the combat theories known as “shock and awe” as a regular customer in court papers. Harlan K. Ullman, a senior associate with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, was named in court papers filed by Deborah Jeane Palfrey, who is acting as her own lawyer.

Now isn’t that shocking?

Of course, he’s a Clinton flunkie, they’re all sex fiends, freaks:

{{{Ullman was the primary author of a 1996 report that coined the phrase “shock and awe,” which calls for a massive attack of precision air power that psychologically destroys an enemy’s will to fight as much as it destroys the physical ability to fight.}}}

I wonder if he brought the “big boss” along on his little parties, huh, huh?

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By Walt

April 13, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

“By Goldberg

April 13, 2007 9:55 AM | Link to this

Walt, Do you have something againest the Jewish nation? Don’t hold back, just let us know your true feelings.”

I have nothing at all against Israel.

But all the most prominent neo-cons are Jewish.

And it was a strategic objective of Israel to get rid of Saddam. But it was NOT a strategic interest of the USA.

This co-opting of the US military and foreign policy to serve the aims of Israel will hurt them in the long run.

One author has called Dick Cheney the Dr. Kevorkian of the Israeli state.

Walt

By getalife

April 13, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

Figures that the worst President ever will go out like Nixon.

Karma.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

10,000 clients?

How many are gop Andy?

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

{{{By getalife April 13, 2007 10:09 AM Checkmate. Game over. Let the impeachment hearings begin.}}}

Let’s say Rove did use his email account for political purposes and the inquisitors in Congress happen to find evidence of this, will they try Snowflake separately, whom we already have evidence against?

And will we be climbing into Hillary’s as-s to see what we can find?

(And how about the IRS rifling through Suckieface Waxman’s personal belongings? Wouldn’t that be special, if Suckie had done his job as a Congressman instead of frolicking as a democrat party stooge, he would have reformed that confusing federal tax code and it wouldn’t have got him busted for tax evasion.)

Yes, let the party begin.

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By @@

April 13, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

Getalife:

Why do you want to know?

So you can go over there as “Jello Joe Wilson” and get yourself banned?

It’s Stratfor. It’s a subscription only site. I’m not sure, but you may be able to view the discussion forum without membership.

Google Stratfor.com, go to discussion forum and see where it takes you, you troublemaker, you.

You and RE were discussing Turkey here yesterday. Here’s a little somewhere with insight on Iraq - Turkey/U.S. Relations.

It’s not the “fever swamps”, but I’m trying to preserve a part of your brain for planting. (ISH)

By Scooter

April 13, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

ml, I have to give it to you - this is pretty frik’in funny.

Now onto other things, I was rummaging through my morning routine and saw this..

‘The Iraqi Army was asked by the government of Iraq to rid the town of militia members and other terrorist groups who had waged a campaign of murder and intimidation against the people of Diwaniyah and the security forces charged with protecting them.’

“We have received more than 700 requests for the help of the Iraqi Army from the people of Diwaniyah,” said Iraqi Army Maj. Gen. Oothman Farhood, commander of the 8th Iraqi Army Division. “The Iraqi Army is here for the people of Iraq and to help the Iraqi Police provide security for the citizens of Diwaniyah.”

Do you choose to see hopelessness and defeat in the people of Diwaniyah? Or, do you schoose to see hope with the arms, eyes and intelligence of the people, reaching out and teaming up with many brave Iraqis, all fighting for change?

By Walt

April 13, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

“Do you hide in your house with the blinds closed in fear of yarmulkes?”

No. In fact my ‘pay entry base date’ into the Marine Corps is 15 October, 1973.

That is the same day that Ariel Sharon won the Battle of the Chinese Farm with his armored division.

I was a big supporter of Israel.

But not any more.

Walt

By Scooter

April 13, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Whoops, I missed a comma up ^^^^^^. Oh well.

You all have fun, and share “information” while you’re at it.

By steven daedalus

April 13, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

“Shock and Awe”, Harlan K. Ullman, Bushie who gave Iraqi war its original moniker, is a regular at D.C. brothel, I love these moral neo-cons, I think we are going to need a new federal facility(prison) just for Bush administration fellows.,

By IN THE NEWS

April 13, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

JUST WHOS FLUNKY IS HARLAN K ULLMAN?

By Bush Belongs Behind Bars

April 13, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR(z)

By getalife

April 13, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

Not bad @@,

The lgf banned my IP so I can’t read their hate over there.

I am not missing anything.

Charles does not want me to bash the lizards anymore.

He is another intellectual coward.

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

{{{By IN THE PROPAGANDA April 13, 2007 10:35 AM JUST WHOS FLUNKY IS HARLAN K ULLMAN?}}}

Prop: He came up with the slogan in 1996, you may want to check your “on this date” calender to jog your memory.

It is sort of perplexing, I thought that there were peace loving pacifists in the White House at that time, who were they going to shock and awe?

Oh, that’s right, they were bombing Saddam Hussein, over his weapons of mass destruction, the same WMD that MIRACULOUSLY disappeared when Bush took office, WHERE DID THEY EVER GO???

Can I get an Amen?

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By getalife

April 13, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Here is more on Turkey

Not many politicians in Iraq showed up today so I doubt they will help Turkey or the Kurds keep peace.

By steven daedalus

April 13, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

I seem to recall the Republicans, spent about 40 Million of our taxpayers dollars trying to dig up something on Hillary, I guess you neo-idiots would want to spend some more to find nothing.She’s way smarter than,as we say down here, ya’ll

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

{{{By getalife April 13, 2007 10:43 AM Not bad @@, The lgf banned my IP so I can’t read their hate over there.}}}

Mask your IP man.

No wonder you guys can’t catch Rove.

Amateurs.

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By You are a moron Luck-o-doll

April 13, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

To suggest that the public is for the Iraq war because of a single election in Conn. is stupid enough given that one has to ignore the results of every other election in the country, but when that single election featured a Republican nominee who finished with less that 15% of the vote, the stupidity of using that election to gauge the temp of the American people is beyond description. If the Republicans had nominated any electable candidate the Sen. from Conn. would be Ned Lamont.

By @@

April 13, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Getalife:

How in this world can you squash a lizard with a hammer made of “Jello”? The results would be a big “splat” that the lizards would gobble up, like the conservatives do here every day.

I considered posting to the “religion basher” at Stratfor suggesting that he visit ml’s. He’d fit right in here with the anti-christian leftists.

Walt:

I’m not a big fan of Olmert’s, but then neither are many Israelis. I do support Israel’s right to exist though and I would prefer a more competent leader for the nation of Israel. Netanyahu will do just fine, and he’s easy on the eyes. No Waxman if you will.

An article you might enjoy.

Reflections on the Middle East Without Sharon’s Leadership

(((But her positive attitude toward the Arab peace initiative is evident from the strong case she has since made for Prime Minister Olmert to stay in contact and negotiate with PNA President Mahmoud Abbas.)))

I’m not recalling, but did Sharon pass away, or is he still in a coma?

I’m off to work.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Why bother?

I do not want to read the lgf and I have nothing to hide unlike you.

This is ridiculous:

Pelosi: “The president is not king”

Drug czar, war czar that nobody wants, king.

WTF happened to my country?

Geez.

By reebok

April 13, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Pols never remember the fundamental rule that the cover-up is always worse than the crime. Somebody wants to review 5 MILLION e-nmails? Sure thing, let them. But claim that you ‘accidentally deleted’ 5 million e-mails that someone wants to look at? How stupid do you have to be to try to get away with that? (I know, this is the Bush Misadministration, so questions of stupidity have long since been addressed.) News flash - e-mails can’t be permanently deleted unless you can find and scrub every server and computer that the e-mail ever passed through. Now, the e-mails WILL be located, they WILL be scrubbed mercilessly, and the assumption will be that someone had something to hide - and tired, ineptly, to hide it. What a bunch of IDIOTS. It’s way past time to impeach the election-stealer and his incompetent cronies.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

@@,

Like here, I bash with the truth.

It is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Too easy.

Geez.

By IN THE NEWS

April 13, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

WHAT FLUNKY IS LISTED AS THE AUTHOR

By Walt

April 13, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

“I’m not recalling, but did Sharon pass away, or is he still in a coma?”

Sharon -and- Olhmert are both in comas.

Walt

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

{{{By You are my hero Luck-o-doll April 13, 2007 10:58 AM To suggest that the public is for the Iraq war because of a single election in Conn. is stupid enough given that one has to ignore the results of every other election in the country,}}}

Your argument is with Charles Krauthammer, he wrote the article, you spastic.

Since you are too incoherent to handle this on your own, let me finish his thoughts for you:

How at this point — with only about half of the additional surge troops yet deployed — can Democrats be trying to force the U.S. to give up? The Democrats say they are carrying out their electoral mandate from the November election. But winning a single-vote Senate majority as a result of razor-thin victories in Montana and Virginia is hardly a landslide. And third, where was the mandate for withdrawal? Almost no Democratic candidates campaigned on that. They campaigned for changing the course the administration was on last November.

And if you persist that the election was about withdrawal then why haven’t your candy as-s candidates done it yet?

What do they know that you don’t??

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By History lesson for @@

April 13, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

No nation has the “right” to exist. Look at a 100 year old atlas and see how many nations did not have a “right” to exist. Is Isreal different in some way from every other nation that has ever been on the face of the planet?

By Cindy

April 13, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

getalife, Wouldn’t if just be hilarious if bush and cheney both got caught up in this e-mail scandal??? The thought has me rolling with laughter.

By Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

reebok - First of all, you folks still haven’t condemned Sandy Burglar in the on-going scandal over his theft of records from the National Archives. This issue is petty compared to that. Also, no one has yet questioned the president’s authority to fire those people for any reason whatsoever. The sad part is the president should have just come out and said that, then case closeed. The e-mails will be recovered. They will be twisted so they appear to be embarassing. No one will be indicted or go to jail, but the Democrats will rail about it.

Also, you folks need to get over the election of 2000, which YOU tried to steel, not the other way round. That would be like rehashing the elections of 1876 and 1960 over and over again. No doubt both of those elections were stolen, but that is ancient history. You also soundly lost four years later. Move on.

By IN THE NEWS

April 13, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Of Threats And Deletions And A Hefty Helping Of Hubris

By Walt

April 13, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

“By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

{{{By You are my hero Luck-o-doll April 13, 2007 10:58 AM To suggest that the public is for the Iraq war because of a single election in Conn. is stupid enough given that one has to ignore the results of every other election in the country,}}}

Your argument is with Charles Krauthammer, he wrote the article, you spastic.”

-You- quoted the traitor.

The drumbeat to war was led by Americans who sold out to Israel.

Saddam was no threat to us - he was well contained per the CENTCOM CG, General Zinni, but he WAS financing suicide bombers in Israel.

The way to stop that was to roll OUR Army and OUR Marine Corps in there and stop him.

Our military was sent to secure the national objectives of another country.

Walt

By Comicus

April 13, 2007 11:15 AM | Link to this

I see I’m not needed here, you already have a real funny guy.

Also, you folks need to get over the election of 2000, which YOU tried to steel, not the other way round. That would be like rehashing the elections of 1876 and 1960 over and over again. No doubt both of those elections were stolen, but that is ancient history. You also soundly lost four years later. Move on.

Sometimes stupid IS funny!

By Helping @@

April 13, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

HLF@@, does Palestine have an eternal right to land that no other nation in the history of the planet has had?

Don’t get it twisted.

By History lesson for Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

It is a myth that the 1960 election was ‘stolen’ in Ill. for Kennedy by Mayor Daley. Whether the tales of impropriety in that state are true or not, Kennedy wins the election without those electoral votes. Look it up for yourself. The difference in electoral college votes exceeded the number of electors from Ill. even if you put them in Nixon’s column. However, even if it were stolen I’d be glad because Nixon would not have been able to handle the Cuban missile crisis as nimbly and we’d probably not be here.

By Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

History lesson - You are soooooo wrong. The reason that the map has changed so much during the last one hundred years has been the consensus that nations do have the right to exist and defend that existence and not be dominated and coerced by colonial powers, thus the dissolution of the British, French and other empires and the 170+ independent nations today. Many argue that Kurdistan has a right to exist. It may yet in the future. Are you going to tell the majority of people in South Africa that they did not have a right to self-determination and they had to stay under the foot of the Boors?

Your argument flies in the face of history and in the face of the very reason for which your precious United Nations was founded. However, I know the real reason that you feel that way. You are an anti-semite liberal apologist for Islamic terrorists and you believe that if we can just destroy Isreal there will be peace. You are not only bigoted and twisted, but you are wrong.

By Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

History lesson - You forget about TEXAS which was also stolen by the venal Lyndon Baines Johnson. If you add them up, then you see that the election would have been tipped the other way. That is a fact, and Johnson even bragged about it. Daly bragged to about his machinations. I know you folks love to rewrite history, but you display your ignorance every time when you leave out vital facts. That is called LYING!

By Comicus

April 13, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

Dear Mr. Gonzales and Colleagues:

By getalife

April 13, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

So, it started with an investigation into botched firings and developed into this.

I am amazed Ganzo and Rove have not resigned yet.

I guess these criminals will all go down together.

Let the impeachment hearings begin.

Game over.

Going out like Nixon.

By Chris Hansen

April 13, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Truthsayer,

I’m Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC and we’re doing a story on adults who engage in online chats to lure underaged children for sex. We’ve been monitoring you for some time now have been deeply disturbed by your comments. What do you have to say for yourself?

By steven daedalus

April 13, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this

Truthsayer, Buy Danish, etc. same old bullcrap from same old wanker.

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

{{Going out like Nixon.}}

I like your predictions, Getalife!

By Goldie

April 13, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

Wolfowitz must have really felt like a “big man”, both when he was called “an architect of the Iraq war” and when he received his medal from W… we’ll see how big he feels when he gets dumped from his cushy job at the World Bank now:

“I made a mistake, for which I am sorry,” said the controversial Wolfowitz, a former deputy Secretary of Defense who was one of the main architect’s of the current war in Iraq. “In hindsight, I wish I had trusted my original instincts and kept myself out of the negotiations.”

I don’t recall any apologies from Wolfowitz regarding his crimes against America when “architecting” his war… anybody? Did he apologize to America for his crimes?

By Walt

April 13, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

“By Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

History lesson - You are soooooo wrong. The reason that the map has changed so much during the last one hundred years has been the consensus that nations do have the right to exist and defend that existence and not be dominated and coerced by colonial powers….”

That would preclude the way we invaded Iraq.

The United States waged aggressive war in violation of the UN Charter.

That is part of what I meant the other day when I said Bush had upset a status quo that favored us very much.

Walt

By LuckoDull

April 13, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

What this means is that colder air will filter in and significant snowfall is possible.

Snowfall in Late April, Bwahahahahahaha, WTF?

Anybody heard from al-Gore lately, is it too cold outside for him to come out and whine about “global warming?”

WTF?

Think about how close we came to emptying out the Treasury to these hysteritic candy as-s pinkos®, how close we came to becoming a third world has been nation, all because of some warm weather.

WTF?

When are we going to learn to immediately dismiss what these perverts say?

It’s all bullsh-it.

BBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

By Chris Hansen

April 13, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Walt,

I’m Chris Hansen of Dateline NBC and we’re doing a story on adults who use online chat rooms to seek sex with underaged children. You’ve been a target of our investigations for some time now and we find your comments very disturbing. What do you have to say for yourself?

By Walt

April 13, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

“I don’t recall any apologies from Wolfowitz regarding his crimes against America when “architecting” his war… anybody? Did he apologize to America for his crimes?”

It can’t be stated enough that CENTCOM plans based on 10 years planning posited a force of 380K to subdue Iraq.

Wolfowitz testified that the number was closer to 140K, which is about the actual size of the force used.

He sold out his country for the benefit of another country.

It is not anti-semetic to say that.

Walt

By Walt

April 13, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

“By Chris Hansen

April 13, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Walt,

I’m Chris Hansen of Dateline NBC and we’re doing a story on adults who use online chat rooms to seek sex with underaged children. You’ve been a target of our investigations for some time now and we find your comments very disturbing. What do you have to say for yourself?”

I’d say that there are a lot of children on this Blog.

Walt

By buff

April 13, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

Hey, RW, what have you been up to? Getalife, how is your health?

By Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Walt - this Chris Hansen kook seems to be an equal opportunity snit. Please ignore it. It will go away.

By Chris Hansen

April 13, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Well Walt, that’s our point. You seem to be a little bit to interested in children and we were wondering how long you’ve been doing this. Do you know that it’s illegal for you to solicit them, let alone visit them?

By History lesson for Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

Lots of unfounded assumptions, you must be proud. Besides the fact that I said none of those things you attribute to me, the point remains, nations have no “right” to exist. They citizens of a nation certainly have the natural right to kill and die to protect their nations if they choose to do so. However, if they choose not to or are unable to do so that’s just the breaks. Just ask the Palistinians, the Kurds, the Chechens, etc…

Furthermore, nations don’t have rights, individuals do. And the rights that individuals have derive from God. If that makes me a liberal apologist for Islamists then so be it.

By Chris Hansen

April 13, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

Truthsayer,

We have been investigating you even longer than Walt. What’s the matter? Don’t you have a ladyfriend or someone to spend time with? Children are not to be solicited for sex anywhere, especially in the state of Georgia. You should be ashamed of yourself.

By getalife

April 13, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

Hey buff,

Alive and kicking.

Did you see the poker game bust in Roswell?

By Walt

April 13, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

“By Chris Hansen

April 13, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

Well Walt, that’s our point. You seem to be a little bit to interested in children and we were wondering how long you’ve been doing this. Do you know that it’s illegal for you to solicit them, let alone visit them?”

I don’t believe there are any children based on chronological age here. Although there are some pretty childish, petulant kids.

Walt

By History lesson for Truthsayer

April 13, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Regarding Texas in 1960. So you are telling me that Texas, who had NEVER elected a Rebuplican to that point and had LBJ on the ticket would have lost Texas but for cheating. Your stupidity is striking.

BTW: Gore would have won but the GOP cheated in Wyoming and U