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By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 8:29 AM | Link to this
Forget “Lady Justice” where the heck is LuckoDull and what has Rove done with him?
By Scooter
March 16, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this
Well hey, you screw up you pay the price. Nothing funny about that.
On to more important things;
On Saturday, a terrorist attempted to commit mass murder with a car bomb in the Sadr City area of Baghdad. His attack was foiled by an Iraqi checkpoint. Seven Iraqi soldiers sacrificed their lives to prevent him from getting through that checkpoint to attack innocent civilians. We honor their bravery and we send our condolences to their families.
For decades, the Iraqi army was used to divide and oppress the Iraqi people. Now the Iraqi people are being protected by an army that is demonstrating great resolve and is starting to prove its loyalty to all. We know that people are seeing this growth and gaining new confidence. www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10609&Itemid=128
The decrease in violence has created an opportunity for political progress. Yesterday Prime Minister Maliki took a historic step, reaching out in one of the most challenging areas of his nation. This is an important beginning. But as the prime minister stated, there is still much to be done. And I quote him when he said, “We still need to make other breakthroughs in other areas, including paying compensation to the governance citizens, restoring certain facilities, factories and firms that can provide unemployed local citizens with job opportunities,” unquote. www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10609&Itemid=128
The generals always seem so much more straightforward and realistic to me. More from the same press ignoring, I mean press briefing, is below.
By bob kochensparger
March 16, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this
I don’t quite remember mike’s cartoon after Clinton and reno fired every single prosecutor. Since the ajc is not at all biased, I am assuming that his cartoon depicting clintons firing was ten times as large because clinton fired ten times the amount of prosecutors.
By Mrs. O'Godzilla
March 16, 2007 8:34 AM | Link to this
To quote St. Augustin
“Without justice, what are kingdoms but bands of robbers”
Really great toon.
Now to all you Celts and wannabes…
May love and laughter light your days, and warm your heart and home. May good and faithful friends be yours, wherever you may roam. May peace and plenty bless your world with joy that long endures. May all life’s passing seasons bring the best to you and yours!
Erin Go Bragh
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 8:36 AM | Link to this
Coverage of stories like this not only show the true bias of a liberal media determined to “get” the current administration, but also show how secure those in the media (as well as Democrats like Hillary Clinton) are that their double standards and hypocrisy will not be exposed. Conservatives/Republicans need to realize that they cannot depend on the public, which includes many who get their news from the late night comics, to remember the details of something that happened fourteen years ago which was not reported as a sinister crime, as the current case has been. They certainly cannot rely on liberal journalists to report the news accurately and in context if their alternative option is to manufacture a scandal that could hurt the Bush administration.
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By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this
We might as well change the Republican Party symbol from an elephant to a punching bag because the Republican wimps in DC just refuse to fight back. The base may have no qualms about going after liberals, but when we look for Republican pols on the Hill to show some leadership in this area, we’re almost always sadly disappointed.
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By Scooter
March 16, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this
Funny how this comes from the military and it is so much more objective than most things I have ever read. Darn, Corporate Information Complex. I’ll bet some will want to compare my believing the leaders “ to a goose-stepping brown-shirts, or such. To each his own.
“In my nearly two years here, I sense for the first time a renewed sense of hope among Iraqis, whether in Baghdad, where we see increasing confidence in the Baghdad security plan, or in Anbar, where tribal sheikhs are banding together to join Iraqi government forces to fight al Qaeda, or in Karbala, where we have seen a record number of religious pilgrims experiencing the freedom of democracy. Of course, there are still many reasons to be concerned. Violence continues, and extremists have only been more frantic in trying to disrupt progress. There’s no magic bullet that will solve all of Iraq’s problems. It will take time. These challenges will require Iraqi solutions. And from what we have seen in the last month, the government of Iraq is honestly facing these challenges.” Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell IV
They had better hurry up. The democrats are going to start their “strengthen” America projects and go back to whacking moles while ignoring the growing idealism in the Middle-East. They just don’t want to see or admit that the problem is larger than some groups of terrorist, it is wound up in poverty, hopelessness and inequities. From some you will hear that these Iraqis never deserved a hand to break the oppression that would’ve ruled them forever. As they would say, you can’t install democracy at the point of a gun. Well, the Middle-Eastern culture has guns, and always has, we are training them to organize and defend themselves with superior training and numbers. You know that old break it you bought it rule. But as usual, if it is at all difficult the democrats won’t commit to the effort and leave behind a mess. Oh well, they don’t encourage hard work, commitment and honor in to their dependents to do, so why should they practice it?
If many of Al-Qaeda’s eldest soldiers have been killed or taken in to custody that would only leave the young bucks in the newly formed Pakistani training camps. Things might be looking better than 100 percent defeat and perceived incompetence?
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 8:38 AM | Link to this
Presidents—yes, even President Bush—have a right to shape a broad prosecutorial agenda, and to demand their appointees pursue those priorities. This isn’t just acceptable, it’s desirable. U.S. attorneys have few enough checks on their power, without also laboring under the delusion they don’t have to answer to their boss. In this case, the administration had more than enough philosophical differences with the fired attorneys—on issues of voter fraud, the death penalty, obscenity—to justify replacement.
Sieg Heil Danny!
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By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this
PLEASE REVIEW CONVERSATION FROM LAST WEEK
By RW-(the original) March 12, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this Blackadder, What do you think the odds are that Valerie Plame will be under oath? My guess is 0.00.
By Buy Danish (the real deal) March 12, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this {{{If the “global warming” doesn’t kill you, some pinko will.}}} LuckoDull, Very good! Thanks for the links. N-GA, Who is “BFD”? Was that a snafu on your part and are you talking to yourself? RW, I hope at least one Republican has the cojones to grill Ms. Plame, although we both know she will not be under oath.
NOW THAT WE KNOW THEY WERE WRONG PROBABLY JUST BITTER ARE THESE 2 THE BEST YOU CAN DO?
MS. PLAME WILL BE TESTIFYING
UNDER OATH
TODAY AT 10 AM
STREAM IT AT C SPAN
By mountain man
March 16, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this
No one disagrees that the president has the right to hire and fire federal prosecutors. The issue is whether these prosecutors were fired because they would not bow to political pressure in their methods and manner of prosecuting cases of political corruption.
By mountain man
March 16, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this
No one disagrees that the president has the right to hire and fire federal prosecutors. The issue is whether these prosecutors were fired because they would not bow to political pressure in their methods and manner of prosecuting cases of political corruption.
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 8:48 AM | Link to this
By mountain woman March 16, 2007 8:43 AM The issue is whether these prosecutors were fired because they would not bow to political pressure in their methods and manner of prosecuting cases of political corruption.
N-GA: No sh-it Sherlock, they were democrats that wouldn’t prosecute other democrats, moron.
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By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this
No sh-it Sherlock, they were democrats that wouldn’t prosecute other democrats, moron.
WHICH ONES THAT BUSHCO FIRED WERE DEMOCRATS?
NAME NAMES
NOW WE KNOW WHY HE”S CALLED LUCKO DULL
By Walt
March 16, 2007 8:59 AM | Link to this
“Now the Iraqi people are being protected by an army that is demonstrating great resolve and is starting to prove its loyalty to all.”
There -is- no Iraqi Army.
The Iraqi government only controls the Green Zone.
Walt
By Walt
March 16, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this
“By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this
PLEASE REVIEW CONVERSATION FROM LAST WEEK
By RW-(the original) March 12, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this Blackadder, What do you think the odds are that Valerie Plame will be under oath? My guess is 0.00.
By Buy Danish (the real deal) March 12, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this {{{If the “global warming” doesn’t kill you, some pinko will.}}} LuckoDull, Very good! Thanks for the links. N-GA, Who is “BFD”? Was that a snafu on your part and are you talking to yourself? RW, I hope at least one Republican has the cojones to grill Ms. Plame, although we both know she will not be under oath.”
Wow, great catch!
Walt
By Walt
March 16, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this
Is it just me or does the image of Gonzales in this toon look like Howdy Doody?
Walt
By Eric
March 16, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this
Lucko is calling someone moron? That’s prime case of the pot calling the kettle black!
By Walt
March 16, 2007 9:08 AM | Link to this
“By bob kochensparger
March 16, 2007 8:31 AM | Link to this
I don’t quite remember mike’s cartoon after Clinton and reno fired every single prosecutor. Since the ajc is not at all biased, I am assuming that his cartoon depicting clintons firing was ten times as large because clinton fired ten times the amount of prosecutors.”
The Repugs had been in power 12 years when Clinton came in. There was nothing untoward about firing all 93.
When the White House ranks the USA’s based on loyalty to the president — THAT is a problem.
Walt
By Buy Danish
March 16, 2007 9:12 AM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS!
Will Republicans be given equal time with Plame or will it be an air kissing session from Henry Waxman?
Here are the questions that IBD suggests asking Ms. Plame and Lyin’ Joe Wilson
I’m outta here…later.
By Walt
March 16, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this
“Forget “Lady Justice” where the heck is LuckoDull and what has Rove done with him?”
He is helping the AG draft his response as to why he lied under oath to a congressional committee.
Walt
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this
BUY DANISH
EVER SO GRACIOUS WHEN SHE”S PROVEN WRONG
LIKE GONZO
MISTAKES WERE MADE
SHE SURE IS OUTA HERE MAYBE SHE’LL STAY THERE
THATS OUR LITTLE CHEERLEADER
FIGHTING TYRANNY WITH A TENNIS RACKET
RIGHT MUFFIN?
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this
{{By IN THE PROPAGANDA March 16, 2007 8:53 AM they were democrats that wouldn’t prosecute other democrats, moron. WHICH ONES THAT BUSHCO FIRED WERE DEMOCRATS? NAME NAMES NOW WE KNOW WHY HE”S CALLED LUCKO DULL}}
Prop: I know you don’t deal with reality based news sources, you gobble up all the bullsh-it the pinko times feeds you jackas-s sucker libs, so I’ll do your research for you just this once:
Take sacked U.S. Attorney John McKay from Washington state. In 2004, the Governor’s race was decided in favor of Democrat Christine Gregoire by 129 votes on a third recount. As the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and other media outlets reported, some of the “voters” were deceased, others were registered in storage-rental facilities, and still others were convicted felons. More than 100 ballots were “discovered” in a Seattle warehouse. None of this constitutes proof that the election was stolen. But it should have been enough to prompt Mr. McKay, a Democrat, to investigate, something he declined to do, apparently on grounds that he had better things to do.
Any questions?
Sieg Heil Danny!
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By Shawny
March 16, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this
3 or 4 toons about the releasing of 8 justices that serve at the whim of the administration?!?
This is news? Hasn’t every president in recent history let justices go?
93 under the prior administration?!?
Geez…the partisan hacks have ran out of things to harp on.
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 9:22 AM | Link to this
By RW-(the original) March 12, 2007 8:55 AM | Link to this Blackadder, What do you think the odds are that Valerie Plame will be under oath? My ———->guess<———- is 0.00.
IN THE NEWS AND WALT ARE REALLY GRASPING AT STRAWS HERE. I GUESS IT TELLS YOU HOW VACUOUS THEY REALLY ARE IF THEY THINK THEY HAVE LATCHED ONTO SOME BIG FACTUAL ERROR.
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this
{{By Shawny March 16, 2007 9:19 AM 3 or 4 toons about the releasing of 8 justices that serve at the whim of the administration?!?}}
Shawny: Apparently Luckovich finds the wellspring of liberal ignorance to be practically bottomless.
Who can blame him, these candy as-s pinkos are pure unadulterated suckers with their mouths wide open waiting for the next load of sh-it to be inserted.
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By Shawny
March 16, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this
How about stupid French workers for Airbus protesting job cuts although the company has lost every single contract for the freighter version of the A380?
How about the pounding the market has taken recently?
How about Iran’s defiance of pending UN sanctions?
How about Hillary’s flip-flopping with first saying we should get out, now saying that we will need to stay?
How about Rev Al unloading on Barack?
How about the minority of Dem senators voting against a resolution that promises not to defund existing troops; a bill that Clinton and Kerry voted for. Those traitors include Kennedy and Biden.
By Shawny
March 16, 2007 9:25 AM | Link to this
How about stupid French workers for Airbus protesting job cuts although the company has lost every single contract for the freighter version of the A380?
How about the pounding the market has taken recently?
How about Iran’s defiance of pending UN sanctions?
How about Hillary’s flip-flopping with first saying we should get out, now saying that we will need to stay?
How about Rev Al unloading on Barack?
How about the minority of Dem senators voting against a resolution that promises not to defund existing troops; a bill that Clinton and Kerry voted for. Those traitors include Kennedy and Biden.
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this
LUCKO DO A LITTLE MORE WORK
HE HAS BEEN CALLED A DEMOCRAT BY ANGRY REPUBLICANS
HE IS A REPUBLICAN
DIG A LITTLE DEEPER
GO BEYOND THE NAME CALLING
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this
Walt,
If Gonzales lied under oath to a Congressional committee why hasn’t he been brought up on charges?
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this
President George W. Bush nominated Mr. McKay to serve as the United States Attorney on September 19, 2001, and the United States Senate confirmed his nomination on October 24, 2001. Mr. McKay began his tenure as United States Attorney for Western Washington on October 30, 2001
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this
Lady Justice— “her firing was performance related”!
We’ll see how far KKKarl Rove’s attempt at installing a dictatorship in the White House goes — I can’t wait for him to be subpoenaed before Congress. Once again, get out the popcorn!
By gadem
March 16, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this
In The News, digging deeper for facts may cause luckodull’s head to explode…please luckodull dig deeper.
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this
RW
PLEASE BE PATIENT
THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY SUBPOENAS THAT CAN GET DONE IN ANY GIVEN WEEK
ITS NOT WHY HE HASN”T BEEN CHARGED SILLY CHILD
IT”S WILL HE MAKE IT THRU THE DAY
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 9:32 AM | Link to this
RW
IT NOT ABOUT FACTUAL ERRORS YOU LEMMING
ITS ABOUT BAD ATTITUDE
AND BUTT COVERING
By gadem
March 16, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this
I wanna help luckodull’s head explode
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 9:36 AM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS,
THERE IS NO PARTY REGIISTRATION IN WASHINGTON STATE
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 9:38 AM | Link to this
THESE GUYS ARE JUST BRILLIANT
NOT
Although Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s confession “may have effectively signed his own death warrant,” his statements might actually help other suspects. “Mohammed took credit for so many different terrorist plots that others could use his testimony in their own defense strategy.”
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this
RW
SO WHAT?
NOW, LETS ALL GET OUR POPCORN AND WATCH/STREAM CSPAN
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 9:41 AM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS,
SOMEONE THAT CONSTANTLY VIOLATES THE AJC USER AGREEMENT BY TYPING IN ALL CAPS IS THE ONE WITH THE BAD ATTITUDE!!
Too bad they never enforce it for moonbats like you. Be careful though, Blackadder likes to cry to the management every time he sees what he thinks is an infraction of the rules.
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this
{{By IN THE PROPAGANDA March 16, 2007 9:26 AM HE HAS BEEN CALLED A DEMOCRAT BY ANGRY REPUBLICANS}}
Prop: Prove it.
The Wall Street Journal has good reason to call a prosecuter from Seattle a democrat.
I’ll stick with them, thanks.
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By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 9:46 AM | Link to this
Gadumb: Where does it say McKay was a Republican?
Try again.
In fact, why don’t you display your liberal brilliance to these people- OpJournal.help@dowjones.com - I’m just quoting them.
Let me know what they say.
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By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 9:47 AM | Link to this
You Democrats are a strange bunch.
“I want to wait and hear what John Edwards has to say, he’s kind of good-looking,” Obama envisioned Iowa caucus-goers from the small town of Clinton telling themselves. During an appearance in West Burlington, Iowa, the phrase appeared again, this time with Edwards as “kind of cute.”
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this
BILL RIPS NY TIMES’ HILLARY BASHING…
Vast left wing conspiracy?
Everybody hates this bitc-h.
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By Goldie
March 16, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this
Dull— Why is party affiliation so important to you when it comes to matters of law and justice? Are you that hopeless with your ideology?
It must really bother you about John McKay that the link Gadem provided about him says this:
“Mr. McKay’s tenure at LSC was characterized by a bipartisan approach to working with Congress, driven by a deeply held commitment to the principle of equal justice.”
That must really make your head explode — imagine that, he uses a bipartisan approach to justice…
By Lord Help Us
March 16, 2007 9:52 AM | Link to this
What if…
WHAT IF…it is common practice for an INCOMING administration to replace federal prosecutors and had been done by Reagan, Bush41, Clinton AND Bush43 when they began their initial terms…
WHAT IF…justice officials testified to Congress that the rare firings of federal prosecutors mid-term were due to poor performance…
WHAT IF…there was SUBSTANTIAL evidence that demonstrated the firings WERE politically motivated and NO evidence of poor performance among these prosecutors…
WHAT IF…every crackpot ‘conservative’ globbed desperately onto the SPIN of ‘why wasn’t this a big deal when Clinton did it’ regardless of the facts…
WHAT IF…in response to this post no ‘conservatives’ address the issues and only attack the messenger…
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 9:53 AM | Link to this
LuckoDull,
They must be right because Wikipedia says McKay is a Republican. Of course Wiki also said Sinbad dies the other day which was news to him.
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this
Goldilocks: You display your ignorance the way a peacock displays his feathers.
{{By Goldie March 16, 2007 9:52 AM Dull— Why is party affiliation so important to you when it comes to matters of law and justice? Are you that hopeless with your ideology?}}
Why wasn’t the voter fraud investigated?
Duh.
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By Goldie
March 16, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this
{{Everybody hates this bitc-h.}}
Dull— there you go, trying to post for “everybody” again.
Get over it — you Repugs are losers and America now knows it!
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 9:57 AM | Link to this
LHU,
WHAT IF…you’re full of crap and the only President that ever fired all the federal prosecutors upon taking office was Billy Jeff…
WHAT IF…He just so happened to fire the one investigating Whitewater and replaced him with a FOB…
By Midori
March 16, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this
Bush Administration throws Snow, Bartlett & Miers under bus
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this
{{Why wasn’t the voter fraud investigated?}}
Yeah, Dull— like the Repugs are well-known for THEIR investigations of fraud voter fraud, or any other kind of fraud!
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 10:01 AM | Link to this
Midori— there’s absolutely no hope for the Repug Party until they throw Rover under the bus, too!
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this
VOTER FRAUD WAS INVESTIGATED
THERE WAS NONE YOU TWIT
By Midori
March 16, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this
Agree, Goldie.
to kill the snake you must cut off the head. after that the body can’t survive.
I saw reports last night that the true intention the Republicans had was to replace the “problem” US attorneys with their hacks and attack dogs so that they would go after Democrats with a vengence, and ignore Republican wrong doing.
Just look at the attorneys they fired, and what they were working on, and who they were prosecuting.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 10:08 AM | Link to this
Dull has always been a cult member of Florida’s Katherine Harris— and now he wants to complain about “voter fraud”… ROFLMAO!!!
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 10:10 AM | Link to this
Nothing to see here, move along, perfectly normal election, go away now please
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this
C-Span: “awaiting the start of this hearing…”
Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.
By Mike
March 16, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this
ABC’s World News separated itself from the media pack Thursday night. Though ABC’s coverage was keyed to how e-mails supposedly show that Karl Rove was at “the center” of early 2005 discussions about replacing all 93 U.S. attorneys, anchor Charles Gibson pointed out how “these U.S. attorneys do serve at the pleasure of the President. He can fire them at any time. So did anything really get done that was wrong?” Jan Crawford Greenburg answered, in a broadcast network evening newscast first, by informing viewers of how “President Clinton, in fact, fired all the U.S. attorneys when he came into office from the previous Republican administration.”
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this
{{By IN THE PROPAGANDA March 16, 2007 10:03 AM VOTER FRAUD WAS INVESTIGATED}}
Proof Prop.
You have none.
I wait.
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By Midori
March 16, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this
you know what kills me?
every time the Republicans get caught with their pants down, the standard excuse is, “Bill Clinton did it too”.
If Bill Clinton’s actions were so reprehensible, as you goons have screamed over and over, why is it less reprehensible when you guys do it?
How does one “reprehensible” act cancel out another?
By Lord Help Us
March 16, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this
RW-(the obfuscator),
How many federal Prosecutors did Clinton fire mid-term because they weren’t sufficiently partisan? (Thanks in advance…)
Can you imagine the Republican Congress’ reaction during Clinton’s administration if it found documentation proving that firing of judicial appointees was because they weren’t sufficiently partisan AND that justice dept. officials demonstrably lied in their testimony on the matter?
Good Lord man, take off the blinders long enough to think…
You and the people that perpetuate ignorance are not doing your ‘side’ any favors…
By Mike
March 16, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this
ABC’s World News separated itself from the media pack Thursday night. Though ABC’s coverage was keyed to how e-mails supposedly show that Karl Rove was at “the center” of early 2005 discussions about replacing all 93 U.S. attorneys, anchor Charles Gibson pointed out how “these U.S. attorneys do serve at the pleasure of the President. He can fire them at any time. So did anything really get done that was wrong?” Jan Crawford Greenburg answered, in a broadcast network evening newscast first, by informing viewers of how “President Clinton, in fact, fired all the U.S. attorneys when he came into office from the previous Republican administration.”
By Mike
March 16, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this
ABC’s World News separated itself from the media pack Thursday night. Though ABC’s coverage was keyed to how e-mails supposedly show that Karl Rove was at “the center” of early 2005 discussions about replacing all 93 U.S. attorneys, anchor Charles Gibson pointed out how “these U.S. attorneys do serve at the pleasure of the President. He can fire them at any time. So did anything really get done that was wrong?” Jan Crawford Greenburg answered, in a broadcast network evening newscast first, by informing viewers of how “President Clinton, in fact, fired all the U.S. attorneys when he came into office from the previous Republican administration.”
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this
“President Clinton, in fact, fired all the U.S. attorneys when he came into office from the previous Republican administration.”
Yes, Mike— this is normal procedure for an incoming Pres.
What’s abnormal about this episode is that Rover & Co. did not replace all US attorneys, only those who did not show the proper amount of loyalty to W’s agenda… and it was 5 years into W’s administration when they decided to do this, after many investigations were in process and ongoing.
W is clearly seen as trying to impede the US attorneys doing the job they’re supposed to be doing.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
{{the standard excuse is, “Bill Clinton did it too”.}}
Midori— now we know that’s what the Repugs have always meant by their saying “personal responsibility” is what they’re all about.
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
More liberal “brilliance” on full display:
{{By Midori March 16, 2007 10:16 AM every time the Republicans get caught with their pants down, the standard excuse is, “Bill Clinton did it too” If Bill Clinton’s actions were so reprehensible, as you goons have screamed over and over, why is it less reprehensible when you guys do it? How does one “reprehensible” act cancel out another?}}
Gosh, maybe because Clinton got away with it?
He didn’t have hordes of liberals all freaked out over nothing like Bush does?
Duh.
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By Midori
March 16, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this
hey Mike - wanna take a stab at this one?
I’ll post it again, to counter your posting that ABC crap 3 times:
By Midori
March 16, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this
you know what kills me?
every time the Republicans get caught with their pants down, the standard excuse is, “Bill Clinton did it too”.
If Bill Clinton’s actions were so reprehensible, as you goons have screamed over and over, why is it less reprehensible when you guys do it?
How does one “reprehensible” act cancel out another?
By Midori
March 16, 2007 10:21 AM | Link to this
Andy, Andy, Andy - drunk already?
It’s not even noon yet.
By Midori
March 16, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this
Andy, Andy, Andy - drunk already?
It’s not even noon yet.
By Dusty
March 16, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this
If Luckovich wants to picture a loss of justice, he should sketch himself in front of an empty justice chair.
One definition of justice is equality, righteousness and lack of bias, something Luckovich is incapable of presenting.
Today he draws up a tiny Attorney General who has followed the president’s directives to remove eight US attorneys, something done with regularity and complete legality by all presidents. What Luckovich presents is a truly “altered” picture.
Luckovich cares nothing for legality or justice. He is for sensational, fictional and divisive politics. Don’t aspire any worthwhile motives to his cartoons. There are none.
By Midori
March 16, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this
Andy, Andy, Andy - drunk already?
It’s not even noon yet.
By Paul
March 16, 2007 10:23 AM | Link to this
In The News 8:43
Well I caught Rep Waxman’s opening comments. The purpose of the hearing is to determing how the Bush Administration handles highly classified information. They’ll look at how the Administration revealed one of the nation’s most closely guarded secrets, the identity of covert agent Valerie Plame.
Maybe Rep W will let us all know how he and his staff were able to determine facts that Fitzgerald couldn’t after a couple years’ work? If Plames really was covert at the time, I’d like to hear about it. It would change a lot of minds. But it all sounds like the same-old same-old political grandstanding.
Maybe Waxman could call the CIA’s chief personnel officer? Or the CIA’s Inspector General? Or Deputy-Attorney General Comey (who expanded Fitzgerald’s investigation)?
Naaaw - Waxman already knows the facts.
By Mike
March 16, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this
Actually, Goldie, Clinton’s dismissal of all 93 at one time was unprecedented. Traditionally, U.S. Attorneys are replaced gradually by atttrition. There was nothing “normal” about it. As for the politics, here is how the right wing nuts at the New York Times described it:
“Attorney General Janet Reno today demanded the prompt resignation of all United States Attorneys, leading the Federal prosecutor in the District of Columbia to suggest that the order could be tied to his long-running investigation of Representative Dan Rostenkowski, a crucial ally of President Clinton.
Jay B. Stephens, the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia, who is a Bush Administration holdover, said he had advised the Justice Department that he was within 30 days of making a “critical decision” in the Rostenkowski case when Ms. Reno directed him and other United States Attorneys to submit their resignations, effective in a matter of days.
While prosecutors are routinely replaced after a change in Administration, Ms. Reno’s order accelerated what had been expected to be a leisurely changeover.”
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this
WAXMAN OPENS STRONG….
By Another Republican LIE
March 16, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this
Nice one gadem @9:35 but ya gotta pull it out of the link for the neanderthals.
President George W. Bush nominated Mr. McKay to serve as the United States Attorney on September 19, 2001, and the United States Senate confirmed his nomination on October 24, 2001. Mr. McKay began his tenure as United States Attorney for Western Washington on October 30, 2001.
Special thanks to LuckoDull for calling our attention to yet one more screw up by the current comedy of errors that infests the Whithouse. Let’s not forget, though, that LuckoDull tried to LIE to us and say that Bush appointee, McKay, was a Democrat @8:48.
We didn’t need the Iraq debacle to show us that Republicans are irresponsible and incapable of forethought or truth. Republicans never take any responsibility for any of their mistakes. If they can’t even admit they screwed up, why in the world should we ever expect that they will learn, correct, and improve themselves?
Whatever else Republicans may be, they have PROVEN themselves to be inveterate LIARS time, after time, after time, after time.
By Mike
March 16, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this
Actually, Goldie, Clinton’s dismissal of all 93 at one time was unprecedented. Traditionally, U.S. Attorneys are replaced gradually by atttrition. There was nothing “normal” about it. As for the politics, here is how the right wing nuts at the New York Times described it:
“Attorney General Janet Reno today demanded the prompt resignation of all United States Attorneys, leading the Federal prosecutor in the District of Columbia to suggest that the order could be tied to his long-running investigation of Representative Dan Rostenkowski, a crucial ally of President Clinton.
Jay B. Stephens, the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia, who is a Bush Administration holdover, said he had advised the Justice Department that he was within 30 days of making a “critical decision” in the Rostenkowski case when Ms. Reno directed him and other United States Attorneys to submit their resignations, effective in a matter of days.
While prosecutors are routinely replaced after a change in Administration, Ms. Reno’s order accelerated what had been expected to be a leisurely changeover.”
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this
More liberal “brilliance” on full display:
{{By Goldie March 16, 2007 10:17 AM What’s abnormal about this episode is that Rover & Co. did not replace all US attorneys, only those who did not show the proper amount of loyalty to W’s agenda… and it was 5 years into W’s administration when they decided to do this, after many investigations were in process and ongoing.}}
So Billy got his slobbering partisan hack robots on the job from day 1.
Somehow this is supposed to be better, although the reasoning escapes me.
Clinton got rid of the attorney that was investigating Rostenkowski, after all it was a Republican administration that Clinton took over.
Clinton later pardoned Rostenkowski.
Where’s the outrage candy as-ses?
Duh.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this
{{By AntiRadical March 16, 2007 10:25 AM Let’s not forget, though, that LuckoDull tried to LIE to us and say that Bush appointee, McKay, was a Democrat @8:48.}}
Spammie: Where does it say he was a Republican?
Who’s lying?
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
{{So Billy got his slobbering partisan hack robots on the job from day 1.
Somehow this is supposed to be better, although the reasoning escapes me.}}
Oh so true, Dull— reasoning always escapes you.
By Mike
March 16, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this
Goldie -
My point is that angry liberals and their buddies in the media ave been on a non-stop quest for a Watergate-like scandal since Bush came into office. Clinton’s unprecedented behavior barely registered a blip in the media, yet Bush’s similar experience is the story of the week. (Of course, after the Dick Cheney hunting scandal, it is clear that you folks have redefined making a mountain out of a mole hill.)
Liberals and the media need to do us a favor and promise not to try to destroy the next President, even if he/she is a Republican. We’ve got serious problems in the world and we waste all our time on nonsense like this that no one will remember five years from now.
By Midori
March 16, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this
Ms. Plame is being sworn in.
Just thought I’d throw that out there….
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this
{{Clinton later pardoned Rostenkowski.
Where’s the outrage candy as-ses?}}
I’m sure Dull is going to be outraged when ole Scooter gets his pardon.
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this
WHO KNEW JAMES BOND WOULD TURN OUT TO BE A GOOD LOOKING BLOND?
By Kerry
March 16, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this
These people will have to be forgiven. the stress of trying to defend this joke of an administration is wearing on them and they have ceased to make sense.
Honestly, if I’d supported this joker from the beginning, which thankfully and wisely i have not, i would be a tad stressed as well. In not voting for him, I knew he was a bad choice, so those who were snowed have to be feeling like a box of rocks right about now.
It is something every other week with these characters. a bad episode in politics that will soon come to a thankful end.
Mission Accomplished…
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this
Wow, uber-Paul— Mrs. Wilson has now testified under oath that she was a covert CIA operations officer until her identity was revealed by the Bush administration!
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Under oath but can’t answer any questions about CIA work. What a bunch of wild eyed losers you moonbats are.
Catch up with you this evening.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
By Walt
March 16, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this
AP:
President Bush ‘s top legal aides were to tell congressional Democrats on Friday whether and under what conditions they would allow high-level White House officials, including Rove, to testify under oath in the inquiry.”
This can and -should- lead to the impeachment of Bush.
Congress has the ultimate power in these disputes.
Of course a scurvy president - like the one we have now - might have a canny advisor who tells him that has long as he has troops in contact, he can always use that to insulate himself from gross abuses of power.
Walt
By KZ-Guy
March 16, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this
The AG was telling the truth when he said the US attorneys were fired because of performance issues. What he left unsaid was they did not support the Republican platform strongly enough. The AG’s article in USA Today defending his office has turned out to be all lies. The AG is a liar at best or completely incompetent.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this
{{(Of course, after the Dick Cheney hunting scandal, it is clear that you folks have redefined making a mountain out of a mole hill.)}}
Mike, I’m sure you’d be very sad if Cheney’s friend shot in the face had actually died. You were spared that sadness, right?
By Kerry
March 16, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this
These people will have to be forgiven. the stress of trying to defend this joke of an administration is wearing on them and they have ceased to make sense.
Honestly, if I’d supported this joker from the beginning, which thankfully and wisely i have not, i would be a tad stressed as well. In not voting for him, I knew he was a bad choice, so those who were snowed have to be feeling like a box of rocks right about now.
It is something every other week with these characters. a bad episode in politics that will soon come to a thankful end.
Mission Accomplished…
By rushncap
March 16, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this
Apparently our friend Mikey considers shooting an old man in the face a “molehill”. Good to know. By the way, Mikey, should the Republicans promise not to destroy the next President if he’s a Democrat? And should they also, at the very least, promise not to destroy this country if the next President IS a Republican? Maybe if we made President Cheney swear that before he took office our country would be better off.
I also find it amusing that empty-heads like Dusty continue to defend the firing of the 8 U.S. Attorneys even when God himself (Shrubby) and Gonzales have admitted that it was wrong and promised an investigation. In Dusty’s eyes that man can’t $#it without excreting caviar and Chanel #5.
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this
SO NOW BOTH RW AND BUY DANISH HAVE CUT AND RUN FROM HERE>
GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH
DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YA IN THE BACKSIDE ON THE WAY OUT
MAYBE THEY NEED TO FINALLY ADMIT THAT THEY HATE THIS COUNTRY AND OUR CONSTITUTION
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this
{{Catch up with you this evening.}}
Watch how many of the extremists here will now begin their exit…
By Mike
March 16, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this
Goldie - I never said that it wasn’t bad for the person who got shot. I was pointing out that it wasn’t a national story worthy of a week of coverage and it certainly wasn’t a scandal. You do understand the difference right? How old are you?
Whay am I wasting my time even responding to such a childish comment? I need to stop coming to this hall of childish ignorance.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this
{{Whay am I wasting my time even responding to such a childish comment? I need to stop coming to this hall of childish ignorance.}}
Buh-bye Mike!
By Midori
March 16, 2007 10:45 AM | Link to this
Goldie,
first RW was snarling about Plame not being under oath.
now he’s rationalizing her not being able to discuss interal CIA mechanisms as some sort of “victory”.
those goal posts are never too heavy for him and his ilk.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this
{{DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YA IN THE BACKSIDE ON THE WAY OUT}}
News— I think it’s time they all got hit in their arses! They keep apoligizing for all the crimes against America their guy has committed.
By getalife
March 16, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this
Plame is testifying on CNN and there is a lady with a pink shirt with Impeach Bush.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this
My heart is literally broken listening to Mrs. Wilson testify right now.
By Paul
March 16, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this
Goldie
Thanks for the update. I’m recording it - must get back to work - but I’ll scan it this evening.
This has always struck me as such a rather simple thing to document - along the lines of “what’s your civil service grade?” or “to what level of classified information do you have access?” I remain mystified that there hasn’t been a clear answer yet - you know, along the lines of “according to Ms Plame’s personnel record on (date) on her Federal Form XYZ her status was “X.” This is supported by CIA regulation 123-5, paragraph 5, subsection 5(a) which states….”
Rather along those lines of the guy who said he was a Marine hero with a Medal of Honor and lots of Purple Hearts who spoke at civic groups and funerals. He was a Marine but the rest was exaggeration -
I’m afraid we won’t be any closer to the facts after this hearing. That’s a shame.
Cheers -
By Blackadder
March 16, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 9:41 AM
Blackadder likes to cry to the management every time he sees what he thinks is an infraction of the rules.
I’m really flattered by how much of an impact I seem to have over Ricky Wingnut’s daily posts. He can’t resist mentioning me often. He also loves to respond to my posts with a contrary opinion no matter what the subject is. If I commented about the sky being blue he would respond with:
“Blackadder, the crybaby, thinks the sky is blue. We all know it’s more of an off blue and sort of green. What a pansy.”
Sorry I won’t be on much today. I have a big project due and I may have to go to the office for a while to gather data.
By getalife
March 16, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this
Its on CSpan too.
She was a covert undercover agent . Great stuff.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this
Hope to see ya later here, Blackadder!
By Walt
March 16, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this
“By Mike
March 16, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this
Actually, Goldie, Clinton’s dismissal of all 93 at one time was unprecedented. Traditionally, U.S. Attorneys are replaced gradually by atttrition.”
You have to remember that great criminality always accompanies Republican administrations.
What Reagan authorized on Iran-Contra was much worse than anything Nixon authorized on Watergate.
From Watergate to Iran-Contra, the Repugs have shown contempt for the People and for the rule of law.
Walt
By Walt
March 16, 2007 11:02 AM | Link to this
“She was a covert undercover agent . Great stuff.”
Only people who want to give their lives and minds over to a paternal, protective party — say like the Nazis — or the Rove Republicans — would have ever believed anything else.
Walt
By The Peoples for a Nuked' Amerika' Century~!
March 16, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this
-=-
LOL - Andy-War-Hole thinks McKay is a Democrat - Ohhh yeah!~
I love it when the wingnuts swiftboat their own!~
-=-
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this
OMG— now Rep. Westmoreland is speaking. What an embarassment to the state of GA!
I believe he’s the one who was on The Colbert Report and could not name any of the Ten Commandments? And this was after he admitted to sponsoring legislation for placing those commandments in our courtrooms…
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this
WHERES CHICKEN HAWK BUY DANISH
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT HE HERO TOENSING
IS MISS VIKKI GONNA TESTIFY TOO?
By getalife
March 16, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this
It was an orchestrated leak by many people to out an undercover covert CIA agent. just like I thought.
This is treason folks, pure and simple.
The wingnuts who continue to deny this fact are traitors.
By Mrs. O'Godzilla
March 16, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this
Watching Ms. Plame…..
Now there’s a great American
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this
Good morning, Mrs. G — I have a scheduled vacation day from work today, so it’s great to have the TV on C-Span and be able to communicate with my blogging friends too!
By Dusty
March 16, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this
Well, liberals have one thing right on this blog. Many of the conservative bloggers have left for a more rational environment.
Who did not know that Waxman would present a totally biased interview with slanted questions for Plame?
Who is surprised that liberals believe that all conservatives in the USA could vote in the election of Katherine Harris in Florida?
Who is surprised that Cheney’s hunting accident is pictured as a big moment in history?
Who is surprised that Bush’s removal of 8 US attorneys was a malignant act not to be compared with Clinton’s abrupt removal of 90+ US attorneys?
And lastly, do liberals not know that the repetitive use of old and tattered cliques makes them seem somewhat obsolete? Example: “Don’t let the door hit you when you leave, etc. etc.” Just a bit lame, don’t you think?
By Shawny
March 16, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this
vast right wing conspiracy, indeed.
I think not.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this
{{And lastly, do liberals not know that the repetitive use of old and tattered cliques makes them seem somewhat obsolete?}}
Dusty-brain, you and your party members are obsolete now in America. Buh-bye!
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this
OMG— the lady in the pink T-shirt is standing up behind Mrs. Wilson now!
ROFLMAO!!!
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this
DUSTY JUST GO AWAY
THIS BLOG IS FOR AMERICAN PATRIOTS ONLY FROM THIS DAY FORWARD!
YOU AND YOUR GREEDY FACSIST BUDDIES CAN JUST GO AWAY!
TAKE YOUR IGNORANT EVIL ANTI CONSTITUTION< ANTI FREEDOM> ANTI AMERICAN SILLY NONSENSE RIGHT ON OUT OF HERE
TODAY IS NOT A GOOD DAY FOR LEMMINGS
DO YOU THINK WE”LL GET A TWOFER TODAY?
WHERES GONZO?
By kuntreboy
March 16, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this
To LuckoDoll u really are a f’n idiot to call democrats hypocrits. If thats the case then Republicans must be mega hypocrits since they are against gay marriages, but most are admitting to having gay affairs; impeached prez Clinton for having an affair (which is more of a personal issue than one of national security), while those who sought his impeachment were guilty of the same thing and worse; and last but not least the fact that Saddam was executed for war crimes and prez Bush hasnt been. I am by no means Anti-American, i just believe in fairness over one-sidedness. But as always you republicans will think that i am because i say that your leader is an inept monkey looking idiot who does not deserve the position he has.
By getalife
March 16, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this
crusty the traitor,
This blog is not you.
Only real Americans blog here.
wingnut wooten is the unAmerican blog.
By N-GA
March 16, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this
Dusty…I think you meant to use the word “cliches” rather than “cliques”.
I’m not surprised!
By Dusty
March 16, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this
Goldie,
Your wishes cannot be presented as the truth. Conservatives are not any more obsolete than your own obsolescence in producing vitriolic misstatements (lies).
You continue to pour them out but conservatives will always be around to tell the truth.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 11:36 AM | Link to this
Kuntreboy— thanks for posting today! You’re always welcome to give your assessment of what America is facing today with this administration.
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this
CONSERVATIVES ARE OK
NEOCONS ARE THE SPAWN OF HELL AND THOSE WHO STAND FOR THEM ARE TOO>
IKE vs Bill Kristol,CARL ROVE
SEE THE DIFFERENCE YET<
YOU CONTINUE TO PROTECT THESE ANTI AMERICAN NEOCONS AND IT HAS BEEN MADE PAINFULLY OBVIOUS THEY WOULD JUST THROW YOU
YES YOU DUSTY
UNDER THE BUS IF IT WOULD SAVE BUSH CHENEY OR ROVE
WAKE UP
YOU MASTERS WOULD ABANDON YOU
By The Peoples for a Nuked' Amerika' Century~!
March 16, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
-=-
Dusty -
I’m sure the Republicans and NeoNut Broadcasters will run the “Clinton fired 93 attorneys” right into the ground during all this, but obviously they don’t dare post the real facts behind that issue - now do they?
1) Clinton fired those 93 attorneys at the start. They had served full 4 year terms. Bush fired his in the middle of their terms.
2) Congress (which happened to be Republican at that time) had approval authority over eavh and every replacement that Clinton hired. Bush has fired these 8 attorneys in such a way that he doesn’t have to get congressional approval of any of the replacements he hires. No checks and balances for this administration!
3) in one case Clinton may have been political motivated in firing the attorney investigating Rostenkowski (who was convicted anyway). But that was the only case apparently that just “may” have been politically motivated. Bush’s staff on the otherhand has been caught in direct meddling in the attorneys cases in these firings as has been “evidenced” in the e-mails and letters from Karl Rove, and Gonzalez’s office in plannning which attorneys to fire.
Firing an attorney in the middle of his term in order to influence a case for political reasons is definitly well beyond what Clinton did. It is direct obstruction of Justice, and I have no doubt that this may end Karl Rove’s career, (provided he is willing to take the bullet for Bush).
We can talk about it all we want to here, but what’s really going to matter will occur during the hearings.
Watch and Learn folks!
Justice in action!~
Thomas/PNAC
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this
DUSTY
HECK
EVEN THE NEOCONS HERE HAVE RUN AWAY TODAY>>>>
YOU TOOTS ARE ON YOUR OWN
By Blackadder
March 16, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this
I tried to avoid it but it looks like I’m off to the office.
Before I go I wanted to share this. I’ve always had great respect for Dennis Kucinich. I like what he stands for and I think he has a lot of good ideas. Before my cousin became an Ohio state Senator, he worked for Dennis and still has nothing but the highest regard for him.
That said, I can’t for the life of me understand why Dennis is pulling this crap.
I spoke with my cousin and he is just as astounded as I am.
Any thoughts? I hope to be back sometime after 2:00 or so.
By @@
March 16, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this
Well ml, this one too shall “unfold” just as Fitzgerald’s recent “fold”, errr unfolding of Plame’s wrinkled past.
Here’s something that’s gotta make you laugh….
Code-Pink has set up an encampment outside Nancy Pelosi’s house and she says “Bless their hearts……”
Outside analysts say Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and their deputies have to better explain why Democrats can’t quickly end the war to their base, people who aren’t familiar with all the intricacies of congressional procedures. That would mean discussion of separation of powers, Senate filibuster rules and veto margins.
I don’t believe Republicans have ever called their constituents “stupid”, I wonder how it feels for the liberals?
Bless your hearts!
I’m off to work.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this
Leave it to the dis-honorable Lynn Westmoreland of GA to ask Mrs. Wilson: “are you a Democrat or a Republican?” That’s all these un-American idiots think about!
I tell ya, Westmoreland is a real embarassment to this state!
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this
{{I don’t believe Republicans have ever called their constituents “stupid”, I wonder how it feels for the liberals?}}
Boob, you’re being called stupid everyday by the likes of Rover and Cheney, et al — but you, go ahead and keep on cheerleading without a brain now.
Buh-bye!
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this
Blackadder @ 11:43
I think I understand what Kucinich may be trying to accomplish — reaching out and speaking to those devoted Fox listeners. We’ll see what message he tends to get across when he’s on those shows speaking in the future. I would not judge him too harshly just yet for trying to reach those listeners.
By getalife
March 16, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this
Karma
Bwhahahahaha!
By Jesus
March 16, 2007 12:03 PM | Link to this
IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this
Getalife @ 11:58
That’s pretty gross and oh so appropriate!
By Midori
March 16, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this
@@ shows up here each and every day just to post something stupid, and reinforce the notion that she is a clueless twit.
By Lord Help Us
March 16, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this
Ooops, OH NO!!!!!
Valerie Wilson has LIED…UNDER OATH!!!
Plame Wilson said she had no role in sending her husband on a CIA fact-finding trip to Niger. Wilson said in a newspaper column that his trip debunked the administration’s pre-war intelligence that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium from Africa. I did not recommend him. I did not suggest him. There was no nepotism involved. I did not have the authority,”
She ALSO had the audacity to testify (again…UNDER OATH) that she WAS, in fact, COVERT!!!
I know she is lying because claims to the contrary have been repeated over and over and over…
Somebody, call Alberto Gonzales…Quick!!!
I mean, wouldn’t this be easy to prosecute!?!
Unless, of course, all those claims about her were, UM, lies…
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this
Goldie,
I did a blog post the other day about Kucinich. Here’s what he had to say about Democrats cutting and running from the Nevada debate sponsored by Fox.
{{{{{“I’m prepared to discuss the war, health care, trade, or any other issue anytime, anywhere, with any audience, answering any question from any media. And any candidate who won’t shouldn’t be President of the United States.”}}}}
I can’t think of a single issue I agree with him on, but he’s 100% right in that statement and has a lot more nerve than any other Democrat running.
Blackadder,
Quit whining about me you hysterical freaking crybaby.
IN THE NEWS,
DID WE FIND OUT UNDER OATH THAT VALERIE PLAME’S FAVORITE COLOR IS PINK SINCE THEY WOULDN”T LET REPUBLICANS ASK ANY REAL QUESTIONS?
By Midori
March 16, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this
example of “real” questions that republicans like to ask: “are you a democrat or a republican?”
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this
Lord Help Us— I’m wondering how the rightwing extremist media will spin this one! I haven’t checked out the Drudge Report or Faux News yet — I’m too engrossed with Mrs. Wilson’s testimony.
They’re about to start back shortly with the hearing after a break…
By rushncap
March 16, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this
No, Republicans don’t call their constituents “stupid”. You’re right there, @@. They simply treat them as stupid, and you’re more than happy to let them do that. One of the biggest problems with the conservatives: they firmly believe that symbolism and right-speak is more important than actual actions. They don’t mind the country being dragged to hell in a hand basket (or Iraq), as long as the symbolism that accompanies it is appropriate. They’d let you burn down their house if you wear an American flag t-shirt while doing it.
By Lord Doom
March 16, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this
Rushncrap,
Democrats don’t mind if the country goes down, as long as we screw the same sex and don’t worship God.
By Midori
March 16, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this
That scumbag hag Victoria Toensing is coming up soon.
I suppose she will testify and say, once again, that Plame doesn’t know what she’s talking about, that’s she wasn’t “covert”, that she sent her husband to Niger and that Toensing herself isn’t a shrill, vicious hack.
Oh yeah, and Bush is the best thing since sliced bread, they found WMD in Iraq, Iraqis piloted the planes that hit the twin towers and Jesus wept.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this
RW @ 12:12
I see Fox News for what it is — another Murdoch rightwing media outlet. It is what it is.
I don’t think that by exposing their agenda for what it really is is ever going to take them off the air. If the Dems don’t want to use that outlet for a debate, then so be it. I believe they’re making a point about what the Fox agenda really is and not giving any credit for their version of “the news.”
That said, there’s plenty of people who listen and use Fox for their news sources, so I don’t see any harm in having some Dems choose to go on their shows. I believe that Gen. Wesley Clark has been one of Fox’s “military analysts” in the past and I found he always tried to be fair with his assessments. I never judged him harshly for doing that work.
By Dusty
March 16, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS
When you learn to use small letters and read your ABCs in lower case, I may answer your rediculous accusations.
Goldie,
You sound so much like a paid political propagandist that I will ignore your purposeful misinformation.
Nuked..
I read your comments. They may be correct, but the fact remains: Nothing illegal was done. The hearings will prove that although liberals will try to make it otherwise. Just another useless and vengeful move toward our President.
Liberals keep setting grass fires so that we will forget that they are doing nothing to support the Iraq war. They keep calling it “support for the troops” while trying to give terrorists a schedule for our plans. The call for “cut the funds” is not the way to support our troops.
No one is fooled, dear liberals, at your ploy to cut and run. (Cut’n’run will never be obsolete for liberals because they keep doing it!)
There is work to be done and I must leave. Bye now…
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 12:30 PM | Link to this
RW
YEP< I SAW THOSE LOUSY DEMS HOLDING A GUN TO “TEM COMMANDMENTS” WESTMORELANDS HEAD>>>>
YOU TWIT
By Bob
March 16, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this
Every day brings forth a new package of filth and lies from the deserter, traitor and common drunkard Bush and gang. They need all be hanged from a public forum.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this
{{There is work to be done and I must leave. Bye now…}}
Buh-bye, Dusty-brain! We’re all tired of ignoring you, too.
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this
Goldie,
I had mostly disdain for Wesley Clark when I would see him on CNN or MSNBC because he just railed away like a partisan attack dog. On Fox he gets asked more questions and his thoughtful responses give me more of a chance to listen to substance from him and also gain a measure of respect.
Democrats that won’t go on Fox or will only do an exclusive with Alan Colmes do themselves a huge disservice.
Not to mention that if they are so confident they are right you would think they would jump at the chance to show up the so called right wingers at FNC.
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this
DUSTY THOSE TIRE TRACKS ACROSS YOUR CHICKENHAWK BACK ARE MONDO ATTRACTIVE
TWIT
By Walt
March 16, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
Dusty Sends:
“Nothing illegal was done.”
That is the next to last refuge of a scoundrel.
Walt
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this
HEY YOU NEOCON TWITS
DEFEND THIS
Investigating VIP treatment at Walter Reed. House investigators are looking at “whether the Army is running a plush ward at the [Walter Reed] complex for VIPs at the expense of ordinary war casualties.” The suites — which are reserved for high-ranking government officials and dignitaries — “have carpeted floors, antique furniture and fine china in the dining rooms.” The only enlisted members allowed to stay there are Medal of Honor recipients.
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS,
GOOD THING THE FOURTH CIRCUIT SAID THOSE GUNS WERE LEGAL NOW SINCE THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION.
SO WHEN DOES MS. PLAME’S PERJURY TRIAL BEGIN?
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this
RW @ 12:31
I’m not disagreeing with you on this one. It wasn’t my decision to make when the Dems wanted to stop that debate venue.
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this
Real Quick: Name the only CIA agent in the history of the Earth that the candy as-s pinko liberals have any respect at all for?
Gosh, I wonder why that is?
Slobbering partisan hacks.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this
{{SO WHEN DOES MS. PLAME’S PERJURY TRIAL BEGIN?}}
RW— I believe we’re still in America and using the American judicial system wherein you need to have “evidence”— do you have that evidence? If so, then be a patriot and step up to the plate with the info.
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this
Walt,
You mean like the Goreacle saying there was no controlling legal authority? I knew he was a scoundrel, glad to know that’s a bipartisan agreement.
IN THE NEWS,
SOURCE?
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
{{Real Quick: Name the only CIA agent in the history of the Earth that the candy as-s pinko liberals have any respect at all for?}}
Dull— you are really grasping now. There are many, with Ray McGovern being one I can think of right off the bat.
Go back to your cave! You’re really an idiot.
And I bet you’re in Lynn Westmoreland’s district, too…
By Sir Realist
March 16, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
RW sez: {{{{{“I’m prepared to discuss the war, health care, trade, or any other issue anytime, anywhere, with any audience, answering any question from any media. And any candidate who won’t shouldn’t be President of the United States.”}}}}
I can’t think of a single issue I agree with him on, but he’s 100% right in that statement and has a lot more nerve than any other Democrat running.
Sir Realist sez: RW is an idiot. He agrees with that statement 100% but still supports a president who blatantly and consistently goes against it. At every appearance.
Nothing but more Republican hypocrisy and idiocy.
Do we ever expect less?
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this
CURRENT HEADLINE AT FOX
ANNA”S MEDICINE CHEST
I BET IT TAKES THEM A WHILE TO GET THE SPIN MEMO FROM THE WHITE HOUSE
BUT KEEP WATCHING
RW
YOU ARE GOING TO BE EVEN MORE FUN TO BLOG AT LATE THAT FIRST WEEK OF NOV 08
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this
Goldie @ 12:39,
We were getting along so well up until now!
It was a joke, Democrats don’t get prosecuted for perjury. Why do you think she made sure to state under oath that she was one?
By Lord Doom
March 16, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS,
How is having a special area reserved for medal of honor recipients provided at the other troops expense? That is a misleading article,provided that it is an article( next time, give source,please).
By Walt
March 16, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this
“Not to mention that if they are so confident they are right you would think they would jump at the chance to show up the so called right wingers at FNC.”
There is not much point in going on a show that is edited to suit an agenda.
Walt
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this
RW FOR WHAT?
EVEN I CANT KEEP UP WITH ALL THE BAD PRESS YOU GUYS ARE GETTING
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this
{{It was a joke}}
RW— I agree, and it will be a joke until you present some kind of evidence. And Dems or Repugs has nothing to do with it. But you are correct in that most of the perjury cases have involved so-called Repugnants over the years. Wasn’t Ollie North charged with perjury back in the 80’s? I forget.
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this
GET OFF YOUR LAZY FOX BUTT AND LOOK AT BOTHE USA TODAY AND WASHINGTON POST
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this
Now the Bush admin reps are being questioned in today’s hearing—
DUCK-N-RUN!
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this
IN TEH NEWS,
FOR YOUR WALTER REED STORY DUMBASS.
Walt,
Most Fox shows are live, O’Reilly being an exception so I would have no problem with someone laying down ground rules that the interview couldn’t be edited.
The problem is that idiot liberals know their ideas can’t afford to be exposed to the light of day or nobody will ever vote for them again and they can’t take the chance of being asked a question. Harold Ford Jr. just went to work for Fox, is he a rabid right winger now?
By tla
March 16, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this
Interesting to watch the continued denial of conservatives as their entire idiology collapses.
Oh for the comforting shelter of “Clinton did it”…
Really? Did Clinton subvert justice by replacing attorneys with ones who would agree not to execute justice against republican crimes?
And does this mean that you supporters are also supportive of the crimes of Duke Cunningham and Rep. Jerry Lewis?
This is a long awaited and well deserved wakeup, but I can guarantee there is a stubborn %20 whose emotional immaturity will force them to find shelter in whatever lies the Rushes and Hannitys can feed them…
By getalife
March 16, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this
Charles is a coward and I rule the lizards
Bwhahaahahaha.
By Lord Doom
March 16, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this
IN THE NEWS,
You stupid btch! You are the one throwing out all this propaganda from your idiotic sources. Use a fcking name before you call someone lazy!
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this
RW
YOU DONT KNOW THE TRUTH FROM LIES
YOU WOULDN”T KNOW A DUMBA$$ IF YOU BORN FROM ONE>
By Walt
March 16, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this
“Every day brings forth a new package of filth and lies from the deserter, traitor and common drunkard Bush and gang. They need all be hanged from a public forum.”
I am shocked to hear such a thing.
You mean after due process, right?
That’s what I say a lot.
All Bush needs is due process. That will end up with him in prison.
Walt
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this
IM TRYING NOT TO GET TOO EXCITED ABOUT TONIGHTS FRIDAY NIGHT NEWS DUMP….
HOW EXCITING DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE?
LORD DOOM…. TAKE YOUR CARTOON A$$ BACK TO THE USED BOOK STORE….
DO YOU COLLECT STAR WARS CHARACTERS TOO?
OR IS BARBIE MORE YOUR STYLE?
YOU EVEN PI%% OFF THE NEOCONS
WHAT A MORON
LORD DOOM _ YAE RIGHT
MORE LIKE LORD POOF
By Walt
March 16, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this
“Walt,
Most Fox shows are live, O’Reilly being an exception so I would have no problem with someone laying down ground rules that the interview couldn’t be edited.”
I don’t often watch FOX, but I have seen how conservatives do when the facts are clearly against them and that is to sputter and raise Hell and take up as much of the segment as possible.
Walt
By Night Train
March 16, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
Blackadder, (11:43) I’ve always had great respect for Dennis Kucinich.
That’s very telling. I lived in Cleveland back when “Dennis the Menace” as he was referred to in the late 70’, was mayor of Cleveland. He lost his bid for reelection due mainly to his campaign tactics. His young daughter was killed by a hit and run driver (if my memory serves me correctly). Which is a sad and unfortunate event in anyone’s life. However, he tried to used that fact in one of his campaign ads when running for reelection, looking for the sympathy vote. His numbers tanked after that. The guy was a joke then and has not changed much since. He got back into politics in the mid 90’s by catering to the welfare crowd and under achievers by subsidizing their utilities. Typical democrat!
It’s good to see that you ‘respect’ a lowlife socialist like Dennis the Menace.
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
AND NOW BACK TO THE NEWS
Asked if Bush himself might have suggested the firings, Snow said, “Anything’s possible … but I don’t think so.” He said Bush “certainly has no recollection of any such thing. I can’t speak for the attorney general. I want you to be clear here: don’t be dropping it at the president’s door,” Snow said.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this
{{Why do you think she made sure to state under oath that she was one?}}
RW— also, if you were actually watching Mrs. Wilson’s testimony, you would know that she was hesitant to answer Rep. Westmoreland’s question at all. Are you saying that Westmoreland made sure that she stated she was a Dem so that she couldn’t be tried for perjury? Was that Westmoreland’s intention in asking the question????
Wow, you’re stuff runs deep.
By Lord Doom
March 16, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this
OUT OF THE NEWS,
Doom doesn’t give a sht who he p** off. Do you think I’m here to please someone? At least I have a name you coward fck.
P.S. Using all caps isn’t going to hide you for long. Doom will discover your other IDs soon enough.
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 1:11 PM | Link to this
YOU CALL LORD DOOM A NAME….
I CALL IT A FANTASY
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this
THEY ARE EATING THEIR OWN AGAIN
Newt Gingrich’s attempted phoenix-like rise from his own political ashes to a presidential candidacy will run next week into a harsh assessment by his former House Republican colleague Tom DeLay. The former majority leader’s forthcoming memoir assails Gingrich as an “ineffective” House speaker with a flawed moral compass.
DeLay also declares that “our leadership was in no moral shape to press” for the impeachment of President Bill Clinton. Writing well before Gingrich’s admission for the first time last week, DeLay asserts: “It is now public knowledge that Newt Gingrich was having an affair with a staffer during the entire impeachment crisis. Clearly, men with such secrets are not likely to sound a high moral tone at a moment of national crisis.”
By Midori
March 16, 2007 1:13 PM | Link to this
Lord Doom,
you’re a hoot, you know that?
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this
DIRTY BOYS DOING DIRTY DEEDS
Banana company Chiquita Brands International said Wednesday it has agreed to a $25 million fine after admitting it paid a Colombian terrorist group for protection in a volatile farming region.
The settlement resolves a lengthy Justice Department investigation into the company’s financial dealings with terrorist organizations in Colombia.
In court documents filed Wednesday, federal prosecutors said several unnamed high-ranking corporate officers at the Cincinnati-based company paid about $1.7 million between 1997 and 2004 to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia, known as AUC for its Spanish initials.
Not very GOP sounding, unless you know about Chiquita. Chiquita was run by Carl Lindner until March of 2002 (the time frame in which these crimes happened). If you are not from the Cincinnati area then you might not know old Carl, so let me fill you in:
Carl is a huge GOP supporter. If you go to the site Newsmeat and search for Carl Lindner and Carl Linder (some records have his name misspelled), you will get some interesting results. Here is a big one for you:
LINDER, CARL CINCINNATTI, OH 45243
SWIFT BOAT VETS AND POW’S FOR TRUTH $350,000 primary 10/14/04
Yup, some of the same money that went to these terrorist organizations also went to the old Swift Boaters. Very interesting indeed.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 1:15 PM | Link to this
More DUCK-N-RUN from the White House Office of Security. Now the guy has testified that he will be reporting the problem to himself when he gets back to the White House!
By Lord Doom
March 16, 2007 1:21 PM | Link to this
Midori,
That’s alright baby. Doom tried,for once, to talk about politics, but “just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.”
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this
Midori— Doom-n-Gloom is quite the investigator, too. Somehow his investigation into my ID lead him to believe… what was it, Doomy?
By Blackadder
March 16, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this
A Republican gets it right for a change. How refreshing.
Rep. John Carter (R) of Texas, landed a stinger missile directly on target in session yesterday. When discussing the House bill funding emergency war supplemental issues, the Honorable Mr. Carter stated with eloquence”
“There is talk that the $100 billion war supplemental will include an extra $20 billion in goodies. Such projects are seemingly irrelevant to the mission our soldiers are expected to carry out. For example:
$60 million for the California and Oregon salmon fishery disaster of ‘06
$400 million for timber revenue program in Oregon
$400 million in low-income home energy assistance for State grants
$448 million unrequested funds for State children’s health insurance programs, and a half a billion dollars for wildfire management and suppression.
Now, these are valuable projects, but they don’t belong in an emergency war supplemental. They appear to be nothing more than an attempt to buy votes at the expense of our soldiers in the war on terror. The supplemental is meant to be an emergency troop funding vehicle and there is no excuse for $20 billion worth of pork in that supplemental.”
By IN THE NEWS
March 16, 2007 1:28 PM | Link to this
ABC _DISNEY IS TAKING FOX LESSONS
Regardless of what you think of Edwards, this is crap.
John Edwards — Last Ranking: 4 - He’s been building his organization, staying on message, and courting endorsements, but he remains in third place. Why? Here’s an example. On Tuesday morning, Edwards released a statement calling for Alberto Gonzales to resign. On Tuesday night, ABC News e-mailed reporters a teaser saying that Hillary Clinton would appear on Wednesday morning’s GMA and become the first candidate to call for Gonzales’ resignation. Fundraising Projection: $15 million +/- $3 million. Iowa Ranking:So Edwards doesn’t get media attention because the ABC News team either falsifies information or just doesn’t actually do journalism? Great job, Gang of 500.
By Midori
March 16, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this
LOL, Goldie,
Doom is ok.
He gives that hag B-a-a-a-a-h Danish h*ll.
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this
Goldie dear,
I did see that she was answering a question, is your sarcasm detector turned off today? The funny thing was she had no problem saying Joe was a Democrat, but suddenly thought it was irrelevant when she was asked.
If you go to the transcript you’ll find that Westmorland wasn’t even pushing her for an answer he was making the broader point that questions had been so restricted that that was one of the few things he could ask.
By Blackadder
March 16, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this
Everyone knows who Seymour Hersh is, right? He broke the My Lai story, Abu Ghraib and is currently investigating the extent to which we are involved in plans to attack Iran. He’s on the mark a lot more than he is off, and when he writes, we best pay attention.
His latest column should send shivers through you. Both conservative and liberal alike should be outraged. According to Hersh, the Bush Administration’s new public enemy #1 is Iran. Guess who we may be secretly funding to undermine the Iranian government and Hezbollah (coincidentally the two burgeoning Shi’a power centers)? Guess which countries stand to benefit? Guess who knows nothing of these operations?
It’s a long article that contains a lot of information. But it might outline the contours of what the “War On Terror” really is. A business plan to destroy competition and protect clients.
Read the article. You’ll be amazed.
By Lord Doom
March 16, 2007 1:34 PM | Link to this
Goldie,
I believe that I theorized that you and Midori are same person. Personally, Doom doesn’t give a sht anymore. I was trying to explain that to Btch Danish and she turned on me like the rat she is. The only person I give a sh*t about now is Midori and Magneto.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 1:38 PM | Link to this
{{I believe that I theorized that you and Midori are same person.}}
I also remember that your investigative skills revealed to you that I was black, too?????
Ooh— 2 down! That’s not a very good record, huh, Doomy?
By Lord Doom
March 16, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this
Midori,
You may not have noticed, but Buy Danish doesn’t appear as frequently as she used to, ever since I started putting my foot up her a$$.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this
{{Regardless of what you think of Edwards, this is crap.}}
News— I agree. The extent that $$$ controls our election news cycle is pathetic and discriminatory!
If our election system wasn’t so outta whack, we would be hearing a lot more about all of the other Dems who are running and who would make great presidents for America. I’m thinking specifically of Bill Richardson of N. Mexico. And Chris Dodd of CT.
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this
Transvestite Code Pink protester Good one Ian!
By Magneto
March 16, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this
RW-(the original),
Keep your family out of this! HaHaHa!!!!
By Lord Doom
March 16, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this
Magneto,
You’re just in time. Doom is on his way out. You can deal with these rat f*cks yourself.
By Magneto
March 16, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this
No good Doom. I just popped in for a second. I may be back later.
By Midori
March 16, 2007 1:57 PM | Link to this
LOL, Doom
I thought you warded her off with garlic and a wooden stake :)
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 2:05 PM | Link to this
Why don’t you candy as-s freaks get a room?
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this
Victoria Toensing— SMACKDOWN!
By Midori
March 16, 2007 2:08 PM | Link to this
Goldie,
Waxman is smacking that banshee upside the head :)
By Midori
March 16, 2007 2:11 PM | Link to this
Elijah Cummings is completely disgusted.
Listening to that banshee Toensing’s blantant lies and spinning will do that to you.
By Midori
March 16, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this
Elijah Cummings is completely disgusted.
Listening to that banshee Toensing’s blantant lies and spinning will do that to you.
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this
Proof that Fox’s creators were right can be found in its enormous ratings success. In response to that success - as well as conservative talk radio’s - liberals have become obsessed with creating their own alternative media. The most famous example, Air America, has been a giant failure, and maybe that explains part of the left’s mounting frustration with Fox. It just seems so unfair that viewers like Fox but don’t really want to watch Al Franken whine about Dick Cheney all day.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this
Man IS anybody watching Victoria Toensing rip these idiot liberals a new one?
Back on topic, remember when the AG’s office used to be independent? I don’t either.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 2:18 PM | Link to this
{{Man IS anybody watching Victoria Toensing rip these idiot liberals a new one?}}
HA! She’s getting creamed and you know it!
By Midori
March 16, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this
RW,
Friends don’t let friends post drunk.
Next you’ll be seeing pink elephants.
By Steven Daedalus
March 16, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this
andi has imploded!
By Quote Of The Day
March 16, 2007 2:23 PM | Link to this
“The real problem is that we have had a policy lately that has been dividing our friends and uniting our enemies, and should be the other way around.” -Zbigniew Brzezinski
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this
I’m betting that’s Danish-donut there testifying as Toensing and making an @ss of herself on C-Span!
By Rob Tornoe
March 16, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this
Great cartoon!
Here’s my cartoon on Gonzales
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 2:28 PM | Link to this
Did anybody see a deranged parrot fly through here talking about pink elephants?
Why is this moron asking Toensing to read everybody else’s mind? Call them in to testify you clown Democrats.
Waxman just got WAXED!!!
By Quote on responding to Andi
March 16, 2007 2:30 PM | Link to this
” It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.” William McAdoo(American Government official 1863-1941).
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this
Duck-N-Spin! Toensing believes she’s still ranting on Fox News!
By Walt
March 16, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this
Luckodull Sends:
“March 16, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this
Proof that Fox’s creators were right can be found in its enormous ratings success.”
That just proves how degenerate the US population has become.
Walt
By Midori
March 16, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this
Hey Rob,
that’s pretty good!! :)
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this
The American people have been slimed by Toensing’s testimony!
Wasn’t that great how she claimed that Rover must be wrong in his testimony to the grand jury????
By EXACTLY
March 16, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
This investigation into the Plamegame is a joke. Anybody with brainpower can see the writing on the wall.
V. Toensing wrote the law. She’s addressing the law. The dem partisan hacks can’t get her to jump on board their speculative trainwreck and that’s p** them off.
By Blackadder
March 16, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
Midori - Have you visited Rob’s blog? He’s very talented.
http://tornoe.blogspot.com/
By getalife
March 16, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this
I thought that was a man.
Probably a lizard.
Geez.
By Elizabeth
March 16, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this
I LOVE how conservatives, in an attempt to rationalize the Bush adminstration’s bad behavior always point to the Clinton administration’s failings. Try that strategy with your boss at work: Yes, boss, I screwed up, but my predecessor was a screw up so that makes it OK.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 2:49 PM | Link to this
Quote @ 2:30
Thanks for posting — I saw that interview on the Daily Show and was amazed at how Jon Stewart was mostly speechless while listening to him!
By Elizabeth
March 16, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
I LOVE how conservatives, in an attempt to rationalize the Bush adminstration’s bad behavior always point to the Clinton administration’s failings. Try that strategy with your boss at work: Yes, boss, I screwed up, but my predecessor was a screw up so that makes it OK.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this
Sorry— I meant that post ^^^ to be in answer to Quote @ 2:23.
By Scooter
March 16, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this
I only have time to troll through a little today. I’m Busy working to get some of that “good fortune”. I dropped in and saw Walt informing people that many viewers of Fox are degenerates.
I’ll tell ya’ll what, I was watching Brit Hume last night and saw the inspiring photos of Iraqi Troops canvassing communities. That’s why I posted the updates that aren’t IN THE NEWS ^^^^^^^^^ there. I have no problem saying that Fox News is conservative in their story and guest selection but if that includes optimism and hope, it might not be so horrid. If I was as fearful of Fox as the tolerant ones, I would be like Walt and not see any positives from Iraq. It’s odd how it seems to be such a concerted effort of negativity and hopelessness. Almost like a vast conspiracy of despair and dependence.
Oh well.
‘Once the IA Soldiers detained the men, they searched homes, backyards and other potential hiding spaces in the area for weapons caches. Coalition forces assisted in the searches only when asked.’
Although the operation was joint, very little of the operation hinged on involvement by Coalition forces, according to Capt. John Lane, operations advisor for the 1st Bn., 2nd Bde., 9th Iraqi Transition Team.” www.mnf-iraq.com
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 2:53 PM | Link to this
Elizabeth— if you come here very often, you know that the rightwing extremists will apologize and rationalize absolutely ANYTHING that the Bush admin foists upon America… no matter how slimey a job it is, they do it religiously!
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this
Elizabeth,
When somebody makes a claim that this administration is doing something unprecedented, don’t you have to look at previous administrations to see if that’s true?
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 2:56 PM | Link to this
{{I have no problem saying that Fox News is conservative in their story and guest selection but if that includes optimism and hope, it might not be so horrid.}}
Scoot— if you’ve been watching any of Brian Williams’ reports lately from Iraq, you’ll know that he’s been showing some positive news, too. Of course, this is the exact opposite of what Bill O-Lie-Ly has been claiming about NBC News lately, and if you listen to O-Lie-Ly, then that’s the impression that you will get…
By Midori
March 16, 2007 2:58 PM | Link to this
Did you see how Waxman called ole Vicky a liar?
Priceless!!!!
By Midori
March 16, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this
Black Adder,
thanks for the link :)
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 3:02 PM | Link to this
Midori— she’s a liar and a hag, just like the Donut! I read where old Vick was counsel to the Ray-gun administration — that explains so much. I’m sure she had some work to do with those Iran-Contra criminals.
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 3:03 PM | Link to this
Goldie,
On most issues O’Reilly is as liberal as you. What’s with the hatred toward him?
By Walt
March 16, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this
Scooter Sends:
“I would be like Walt and not see any positives from Iraq.”
The operation may have been a success but the patient is still DOA.
Walt
By Scooter
March 16, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this
Everyone, Brit Hume is the ONLY international news program I watch on any of the channels. I find the internet to be much more informative and specific.
Also Goldie, that is good on Brian Wiliams. But, I can’t watch them all, you know?
By Scooter
March 16, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this
Alright Walt you keep the hopeless attitude. Rushncap has the same outlook.
By getalife
March 16, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this
Brit Hume?
Geez.
By The Peoples for a Nuked' Amerika' Century~!
March 16, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
-=-
awww — Rove visited my old Alma-mater !
[“We’re at a point where people want to play politics with it. That’s fine,” Rove told students at Troy University in Alabama.]
The same place I had Robert Novak as a Journalism Instructor~! (hmmmm—-~!)
Thomas/PNAC
By Neo-Con Artist
March 16, 2007 3:26 PM | Link to this
{{Also Goldie, that is good on Brian Wiliams. But, I can’t watch them all, you know?}}
I understand, Scoot — all’s I’m saying is that you can’t be listening to O-Lie-Ly and expect to get the truth. He has been ranting for the past week about NBC News and, what’s really disgusting, he’s been telling lies about Richard Engel who has been on the ground reporting in Iraq for years! O-Lie-Ly definitely has a personal problem with Keith Olbermann, but that’s no reason to slam a reporter for NBC who’s doing his job there in Iraq. O-Lie-Ly is a terrible liar!
By RE
March 16, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this
I hope this will settle the matter of Plame being classified as covert. It is a pdf file so I cannot link text directly, but go to page 2 of the opening comments of Waxman, make sure to read the part about how these comments were cleared by General Hayden and the CIA
By Blackadder
March 16, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this
Goldie - that was an excellent quote, wasn’t it? I hope to catch the interview on the 8:00 rerun tonight.
By Neo-Con Artist
March 16, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this
It’s been interesting to see what has been posted about Valerie Plame over on Wooten’s blog today. It’s very obvious that not many of those Wooten-fans have watched any of Plame’s testimony today. They are just regurgitating what they have heard from Limbaugh and Hannity for the past 2 years.
By Scooter
March 16, 2007 3:33 PM | Link to this
I know, I know. All the other media are crystal clean, upfront, honest and diverse in their coverage. Wakka Wakka!
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this
Blackadder— I believe I saw that on the Daily Show last night on the replay of the previous night… so it may be too late to catch it tonight. I usually watch the replay the next evening because I’m rarely awake at 11:00 for the original show. Also, Comedy Central will show replays on Monday nights @ 8:00, so there’s a chance you can see it then, too.
It was pretty funny when Stewart said something like “I usually say something funny right here, but I can’t because this is so serious.” Not a verbatim quote, but it was a good interview that he did.
By Paul
March 16, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this
Back for a review - good viewpoints today. Looking forward to reviewing CSPAN today in light of the “She won/She got smacked” comments.
BlackAdder 11:43 - his answer was “why not get that message out? … all Democrats should be capable of doing it… if you can stand the scrutiny of FOX, with what you stand for, and all of the FOX News agencies that gather the information…that is part of what the test is of leadership.”
I don’t know much about the guy (enjoyed the earlier links to his wedding photos) but he spoke well of “leadership.” I listen to O’Reilly a couple times a week, haven’t seen Brit Hume in a bit, but there are lots of anchors all over the place on that station. O’Reilly’s audience has more Dems and Indeps than Reps. Hannity’s not a news guy - he’s a show guy. Hume’s a journalist. I don’t know what Gibson is, aside from loud. Kerry, Schumer, Rangel, Sharpton have all been on O’Reilly. A couple Dems said after they appeared it seemed to them there was an organized far-Left effort to discredit them. So much for the marketplace of ideas.
In the News 12:35 - you should check more than one source before shouting about “distinguished visitors” getting better quarters than regular troops. Well, duh. Rank has its privileges. The “but the money could be spent on other things” is a worn-out canard. Congress approves, specifically, every single building the military builds. The appropriate funds specifically for things as distinguished visitor quarters. They specify how much money can be spent how often for general officer quarters. It ain’t the evil Bush stormtroopers - it’s your Congress. Forward your comments to them - I’m sure they’ll find your analysis compelling.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this
{{On most issues O’Reilly is as liberal as you.}}
I agree with the Neo-Artist about Bill “O-Lie-Ly” — he may call himself a “liberal” because he doesn’t believe in capital punishment, but that’s pretty much the extent of it for him. He’s been lying through his teeth for 2 weeks now about Richard Engel and NBC News, saying that they’re not reporting any good news from Iraq. It’s been very obvious to anyone who watches any of those reports from Engel — he tells both sides of the Iraq story very often.
And for O’Reilly to be sitting on his fat cushy @ss in New York, criticizing a reporter who’s on the ground in Iraq… just burns me up.
O’Reilly’s no liberal — he’s just throwing that out there to try and give himself some kind of credibility. But he doesn’t have any credibility based on what lies come out of his mouth every week!
By Blackadder
March 16, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this
“I have been advised by the CIA, that even now after all that has happened, I cannot disclose the full nature, scope and character of Ms. Wilson’s service to our nation without causing serious damage to our national security interests. But General Hayden and the CIA have cleared these following comments for these hearings. During her employment at the CIA, Ms. Wilson was undercover. Her employment status at the CIA was classified information, prohibited from disclosure under Executive Order 12958. At the time of the publication of Robert Novak’s column on July 14, 2003, Ms. Wilson’s CIA employment status was covert. This was classified information.” -Henry Waxman
Sean Hannity and the right wing bloggers have spent the past year assuring us that Valerie Plame was not a covert operative. [Conservative Jones grappled with this very mystery last year, in this cartoon.] (http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=19791)
By Blackadder
March 16, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this
Let’s try that link again.
Conservative Jones grappled with this very mystery last year, in this cartoon.
By Blackadder
March 16, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
It’s been another wonderful week. I hope you all have a great weekend and celebrate St. Patrick’s Day responsibly.
See you next week.
By Neo-Con Artist
March 16, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this
There have been several news reports about the VIP rooms offered at Walter Reed. Just this morning I saw the same information on the main AJC website front page.
I believe that Walter Reed has been run by private contractors for the past 5 years or so? Is that true?
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this
Uber— I heard O’Reilly state the other night when talking to Dennis Miller that “more independents and democrats” listen to his show… where’s that data? He didn’t give any reference as to who’s poll gave him that info. He just threw it out there like it’s true, just like he always does!
By jim burke
March 16, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this
The thing that disturbs me most about Karl Rove is apparent lack of a soul or any morals apart from winning is all. He roams behind the scenes and tries to avoid leaving fingerprints. He seems to take credit for nothing and yet next to Cheney is probably the one person most responisible for the situations we face today with a bankrupt leadership in the White House.
By Buy Danish
March 16, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this
Doomster (and the rest of you freaking losers),
Whether I am here or not has nothing to do with you. Don’t flatter you sorry selves.
Goldilocks,
I am flattered to be compared to the brilliant and erudite Victoria Toensing. Thanks for the compliment!
As for my “lies” or hers, name one.
RW,
Check this out. Hypocrisy 101.
I breathlessly await a story from the Chavez smooching Dems reaming out Joe Kennedy for his relationship with Hugo Chavez. Flashback.
I’m just passing through…
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this
Donut— even better is how your new guy Rudy has been taking $$$ from Chavez in his lobbying efforts! Can’t wait to hear his answer when it comes up in a debate!
By Butch Gaddy
March 16, 2007 4:14 PM | Link to this
Nice to see Mike L. and all you left wingers forgot to mention Clinton and Reno firing over 80 justices while they were in office. How convenient of you and the “fair and balanced” AJC. Thanks Bob O. for your earlier comments and bringing this to light for all the poor souls that have taken a drink from the lefts Kool-Aid.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this
Here’s the link Donut — sorry to burst your bubble about ole Rudy!
Giuliani Law Firm Lobbies in Texas for Chavez-Controlled Citgo
Seems that makes Rudy a terrorist-appeaser.
By Paul
March 16, 2007 4:20 PM | Link to this
RE: 3:27
Excellent bit of quick research. Thank you. I have to say, when I read it it was with the view of what wasn’t said - not just what was said.
General Hayden had input on what could and could not be said, what was classified, the full scope of Ms Plame’s career (read: Ms Plame’s entire career), she was under cover during her career. All known. The bombshell is the line “at the time of Novak’s column her status was covert.”
I say the following not to sound like an apologist, but to point out a nuance of bureaucratic language. “Clearing” a comment is not the same as validating the truth comment of a statement. It has happened in the past, and will happen in the future, that a government agency “clears” something in the sense “you can say it if you want to. We’re not saying it’s true, we’re not saying it’s untrue. We just don’t have a position on it - so it’s okay with us if you want to say it.”
Maddening, I know. But these are the games that are played.
EO 12958 forms the basis for Federal agencies’ security programs. It answers many of your earlier questions regarding how information is classified, what can and can’t be, for how long, etc. I found that citation interesting - after a quick review I didn’t find anything relating to personnel classifications - I have a feeling that may be a CIA derivative regulation drawing from general principles in the EO.
By Kevin
March 16, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this
Although this blog has many mouth breathing idiot liberals on it and they are all basically barbaric imbeciles, I must choose Goldi as the most moronic and truly naive, based upon her utter cluelessness.
It was a titanic inner struggle not to pick Midori, although they could be the same person so it wouldn’t matter anyway.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this
Uber— you need to watch today’s testimony to see how devastating what Scooter, Rover, Armitage, etal, did and how many lives and livelihoods were affected because of their reckless handling of information.
And how Bush’s reps were trying to blame it all on the CIA itself for allowing the leak… and how the Director of Security for the White House was never given any directive to investigate what was going on, even after Bush goes on TV and says he wanted an investigation done to find out who leaked the info… this guy ended up stating that he would be reporting “to himself” any problems with leaks that may have occurred.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 4:30 PM | Link to this
Kevin, let me guess: you simply love Bush, dontcha?
By Paul
March 16, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this
Goldie
I fully intend to. I’ll see if I can gin up a source for that poll - it’d better be from some nonpartisan polling organization and not an internal or an online survey!
To review: my comments regarding this entire affair were never to excuse or accuse - I’ve said all along that in my view the investigation was poorly handled with the most rudimentary questions - which should form the basis of an investigation - ignored. Her status was primary. If she had classified cover, the next question was, who did it. After that was determined, the next question was - did the person know of Ms Plame’s status? Questions of motive, political machinations and such are all very interesting but should not form the basis of a criminal prosecution.
I’ll still maintain this could have been determined years ago - at a fraction of the cost.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this
For those of you interested in what Bill O’Reilly has been saying about Richard Engel, who’s been reporting in Iraq for NBC for several years, here’s a good synopsis. And Joe Scarborough is a well-known conservative from FLA:
host Joe Scarborough asserted that O’Reilly had gone off “the deep end” with his criticism of Engel and Williams earlier that evening — so much so that Scarborough said, “[W]e changed our show after hearing it less than an hour ago.” Scarborough aired O’Reilly’s claim that Engel had not reported the Army’s claim regarding the decreased violence in Baghdad, which Scarborough called “a lie.” He later noted that Engel had in fact “cited statistics from the U.S. military that indicated that violence was down … in Sadr City.”
By N-GA
March 16, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this
While everyone in the US is busy picking the final four or watching Congressional testimony, the DoD is always there to bring us back down to earth. The latest sacrifices to the WMD “mistake”:
Spc. Stephen M. Kowalczyk, 32, of San Diego, died Mar. 14 in Muqdadiyah, Iraq, when his unit came in contact with enemy forces using small arms fire. Kowalczyk was assigned to the 6th Squadron, 9th Cavalry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division, Fort Hood, Texas.
Cpl. Brian L. Chevalier, 21, of Athens, Ga., died Mar. 14 in Mufrek, Iraq, of wounds suffered when an improvised explosive device detonated near him. Chevalier was assigned to the 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, Fort Lewis, Wash.
Spc. Adam J. Rosema, 27, of Pasadena, Calif., died Mar. 14 south of Baqubah, Iraq, of wounds suffered when an improvised explosive device detonated near his vehicle during recovery operations. Rosema was assigned to the 215th Brigade Support Battalion, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division, Fort Hood, Texas.
Lance Cpl. Steven M. Chavez, 20, of Hondo, N.M., died March 14 from a non-hostile incident in Al Anbar province, Iraq. Chavez’s death is currently under investigation.
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this
Kevin,
I think you might want to do a recount. Goldie just lives in wonderland and posts whatever she hears. Midori actually watches and listens to news sources, but still remains utterly clueless.
Paul,
If you have better things to do I wouldn’t waste much time on C-SPAN. There was a lot of preening and virtually no substance.
RE,
Explain to us once again why nobody was charged with outing a covert agent.
By Daniel
March 16, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this
Valerie PLame is destroying the Bush Administration before Congress.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this
{{Explain to us once again why nobody was charged with outing a covert agent.}}
RW— how many times have we had this discussion with you?
Why don’t you write a letter to Patrick Fitzgerald’s office and ask him the reasons why?
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this
Hey Daniel— good to see you here. C-Span just started the replay of today’s testimony… good stuff!
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 4:53 PM | Link to this
N-GA, thanks for your post @ 4:44.
By Paul
March 16, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this
RW (the original) - I rather thought so, given the restrictions on what could and couldn’t be asked. Thank heavens for DVRs - my old system let me put it on closed captioning, then I could scan and read the text. I miss that feature.
Re: Ms Plame comments: Knowledge of the person’s status is an element of the crime. Saying a person works somewhere, then later finding out that person’s identity is classified, isn’t enough to bring charges. Sooooo - when’s Joe gonna get indicted?
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 4:59 PM | Link to this
Daniel— get your barf-bag ready for when you hear Rep. Westmoreland’s questions to Mrs. Plame!
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
Ummm, notable highlights from today’s kangaroo court:
{{“It’s not our job to determine criminal culpability, but it is out job to determine what went wrong and insist on accountability,” Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., said at the outset of the hearing.}}
Blah, blah, blah, henry says we’re spineless.
{{Rep. Tom Davis, the ranking Republican on the committee, said, “No process can be adopted to protect classified information that no one knows is classified. This looks to me more like a CIA problem than a White House problem.”}}
Oh no, slam dunk! Mission accomplished!
{{Plame said she wasn’t a lawyer and didn’t know what her legal status was but said it shouldn’t have mattered to the officials who learned her identity.}}
Huh? Is it true what they say about blondes? We’ll never know cause she forgot to dye her roots.
{{“They all knew that I worked with the CIA,” Plame said. “They might not have known what my status was but that alone - the fact that I worked for the CIA - should have put up a red flag.”}}
Huh? Why all the make up and why does the red still show through? Little nose candy, hun? Vanity Fair party this morning?
{{attorney Victoria Toensing, who said early on that no law was broken and has criticized the CIA’s handling of the case.}}
The person that WROTE the law and waxman called her a liar, haha. Can’t he realize it’s written on paper?
Liberals are a joke, boring.
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By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this
Goldie,
I already know why Fitzfong didn’t charge anybody with outing a covert agent. That was because nobody outed a covert agent. Because there wasn’t a covert agent involved. No covert agent is going to let her husband lie about the sitting administration in the New York Times if she really is a)covert and b) cares a whit about her job and status.
What I want to know is why you guys think that if you say it long and loud enough it will suddenly be true.
Besides I specifically asked RE since he linked a partisan hack’s opening statement as evidence of criminal activity.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 5:03 PM | Link to this
{{Because there wasn’t a covert agent involved.}}
RW— and you know this how? Are you saying that Mrs. Wilson lied in her sworn testimony today?
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this
{{Huh? Is it true what they say about blondes? We’ll never know cause she forgot to dye her roots.}}
I see Dull has gotten his talking points from the Drudge Report now.
By Buy Danish
March 16, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this
GoldieDullard,
Guiliani’s firm was hired in 2005 by the Texas office where 4000 Americans work. They were hired before Chavez showed up at the U.N to diss the U.S. just like you and your moonbat friends do every day.
In January 2007 he was quoted as saying “Go to Hell, Gringos” in response to criticism from the U.S. government regarding his decisions as Venezuelan president. “Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Sunday told the U.S. government to ‘go to hell’ after the U.S. goverment questioned his plan to seek special powers to legislate by decree as part of his self-styled socialist revolution.”…”Chavez, who was re-elected by a wide margin last month, has said he will enact sweeping reforms to remake Venezuela into a socialist state. Among his plans are nationalizing the main telecommunications company, CANTV, and the electricity and natural gas sectors
Chavez was cheered on by the likes of well-known Leftists like Danny Glover, Cindy Sheehan, and Harry Belafonte for that speech.
Moreover, Joe Kennedy made a deal directly with Hugo Chavez to get the oil. His “Help is on the way ads” ran this past winter.
Face it GoldiDull - you moonbats love Chavez. Why wouldn’t you? He’s a Socialist tyrant and he thinks Bush Sucks!
By Paul
March 16, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this
LuckoDull
So Rep Waxman says “the following was “cleared” by General Hayden” then says “at the time of Novak’s column her status was covert.” Then Ms Plame tells the committee she didn’t know if she was covert or not?!!? She’s charged with safeguarding classified information, she handled it every day, (WMDs) - but she didn’t even know her own status?!!? Thank heavens she retired - with people like that it’s no wonder the prewar intelligence on Iraq was so screwed up.
By Daniel
March 16, 2007 5:13 PM | Link to this
Goldie: Good to see you too! Valerie: “The United States Intelligence Service has been severly damaged”
By RE
March 16, 2007 5:14 PM | Link to this
RW:
As you sit back, you want to learn why was this information going out. Why were people taking this information about Valerie Wilson and giving it to reporters?” Fitzgerald asked at the 2005 news conference. “What we have when someone charges obstruction of justice is the umpire gets sand thrown in his eyes. He’s trying to figure out what happened, and somebody blocked their view.”
By Walt
March 16, 2007 5:16 PM | Link to this
{{Plame said she wasn’t a lawyer and didn’t know what her legal status was but said it shouldn’t have mattered to the officials who learned her identity.}}
Huh? Is it true what they say about blondes? We’ll never know cause she forgot to dye her roots.”
Federal officials have to sign a pledge that liables them to penalties if they even indavertently release classified information.
That is, they have to ensure everything they discuss is unclassified -first-.
Walt
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this
{{By Goldie March 16, 2007 5:07 PM I see Dull has gotten his talking points from the Drudge Report now.}}
Gosh, Goldilocks, that was a devastating rebuttal.
I’ll have to write that down in case I ever get in a pinch.
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By Goldie
March 16, 2007 5:17 PM | Link to this
{{He’s a Socialist tyrant and he thinks Bush Sucks!}}
Donut— well, he’s got it half-right!
By RE
March 16, 2007 5:18 PM | Link to this
RW, Paul Andy…
You guys are just nuts. You just are not able to give up on this whole “she was not a covert agent” thing.
General HAyden. Bush appointee. Director of the CIA. That guy says she was covert at the time. What other source would you like? Is there some authority that would know better than the director of the CIA?
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this
{{with people like that it’s no wonder the prewar intelligence on Iraq was so screwed up.}}
Thanks for telling us how you really feel, Uber!
By Daniel
March 16, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this
Paul: Who cares what Valerie knew or didn’t know? Why is it good for our nation for politicians to bargain national security for political gain?
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 5:26 PM | Link to this
RE,
yadda yadda yadda blah blah fitzfong said yadda blah.
You just stated today, March 16, 2007, that she was covert and offered your “evidence” which one would think would take the sand out of poor little umpire Fitzie’s eyes if you’re able to see it. So when do the indictments get filed based on Haxman’s opening statement?
Goldie,
Whether Plame lied or not doesn’t depend on whether what she said was untrue it depends on whether she knew it to be untrue when she said it. It sounds to me like they were using a much different definition of covert than is spelled out in the law Victoria Toensing helped write. Funny how they could say opposite things and both be truthful, isn’t it?
By Paul
March 16, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this
RE: Huh? Pls reread my 4:20. Many here have said she was covert and release of this info caused grave harm. Others said she wasn’t. I’ve said all along I’ve seen nothing to indicate she was (looking to prove a positive, not disprove a negative). I thought Rep Waxman’s reference to General Hayden should have been explicit - not nuanced in the bureaucratic language some are experienced in seeing through, let alone crafting. There is a huge semantic difference between “General Hayden stated the CIA’s official position is that at the time of Mr. Novak’s column, Ms. Plame’s status was covert” and “General Hayden has cleared the following comments” - heck, Rep Waxman could have asked Gen Hayden if he could say “the sun is green” and the response would have been “you can say that if you want to.” “Clearing” does not equal “official statement” or “verifying the truth.”
Goldie! That came as a surprise to you?!!? Was it not you to whom I once wrote of the CIA’s sorry record, beginning with the analysis of Indochina then proceeding through the threat assessments the made about the threat posed by the USSR just a few months before they imploded? And how their methodology for estimating military spending and the GDP were so far off it wasn’t even laughable?
By Midori
March 16, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this
Daniel,
good luck with getting an answer.
For me, the most telling moment came today when Plame was aksed if she was a Democrat or a Republican.
these people’s priorities and thought processes are not to be believed.
The 30%ers are in their own little cozy world - where up is down, round is square, Bush is Lincoln, the Iraqis pulled of 9/11, Reagan single handedly wrestled and killed a giant grizzly bear and Lee Atwater was more saintly than Mother Theresa.
And crack addiction is all the rave.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this
{{Funny how they could say opposite things and both be truthful, isn’t it?}}
RW— funny how you know that’s not true and yet you keep trying to make that point, over and over again.
Give it up already— you Repugs are toast in ‘08 and you know it!
By Midori
March 16, 2007 5:35 PM | Link to this
Goldie,
I supposed you should be “flattered”, as RW has found someone else to stalk.
You have my sympathies…..
By Paul
March 16, 2007 5:36 PM | Link to this
Daniel
What Valerie Plame did or did not know - maybe not too important.
Unless it’s about her own flippin’ status! For Pete’s sake - her conduct would be governed by that! “Hi there, I’m Valerie Plame. I work at the CIA. I don’t know if that’s classified or not. I handle classified information, but lotsa people there do. Hundreds of thousands of government employees do. I don’t know if I should have said that or not ‘cause I don’t know what my status is. Gotta run - I have to analyze WMD information.”
Hmmm, I wonder if she was one of the ones working WMDs BEFORE the invasion? That’d be ironic.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this
Midori, I don’t find RW any more flattering than a man who poots in public on purpose!
By Daniel
March 16, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this
Midori: I know. That is reminiscent of the 50’s. “Are you now, or have you ever been” a democrat? This crowd doesn’t get it.
They have lost the Independents, and some Republicans. Why are we discussing Valerie? When America is talking about a CIA agent something went wrong. This is a breach of national security for politics. The Bush loyalists got mafd at Joe and wanted to punish him.By Goldie
March 16, 2007 5:44 PM | Link to this
I just spoke with a friend of mine who lives in Westmoreland’s district and she said she called his office this afternoon to give them an earful about Westmoreland’s political line of questioning of Mrs. Wilson… I hope the AJC writes an article about his conduct.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this
Uber-Paul, you’re parsing Plame’s testimony to suit your own needs now. She said several time that her status was “covert” and “undercover”— she stated that several times. And yet you keep saying that she did not know her own status.
Give it up, Uber — you’re on the wrong side of America if you’re trying to make Plame the bad guy here.
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this
Parrot,
How is it that you define a conversation as stalking? I was first addressed by Goldie today and we have had some rare pleasant moments. Now get your beak out of this.
Goldie,
I’m serious about them both possibly making a truthful statement. When the law was written in reference to outing a covert agent they were very specific about the definition. That doesn’t mean the CIA has to use the same definition, only that for it to be a crime it has to meet the law’s definition. The CIA probably says the cleaning staff is covert.
By Paul
March 16, 2007 5:50 PM | Link to this
Daniel
I’d say “discredit” rather than “punish.” I know, it’s nefarious to get back at a guy buy attacking his wife. Not manly at all. But to discredit him - “why are we taking this guy seriously? His own wife was the one who floated his name for this assignment - he’d never have been considered if his wife hadn’t mentioned him” is a whole lot different - discrediting him like that is the pure political (or given Libby’s background) or corporate way to do it.
By Even I Know This One
March 16, 2007 5:52 PM | Link to this
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this
Walt,
If Gonzales lied under oath to a Congressional committee why hasn’t he been brought up on charges?
This is actually pretty hilarious. Alberto Gonzalez is the Attorney General of the United States. For now, anyway. He can lie under oath to anybody he wants and he won’t be brought up on charges because in order for that to happen he would have to bring HIMSELF up on charges. Is that clear enough?
The person that would have to begin an investigation of Alberto Gonzalez’s perjury before Congress is Alberto Gonzalez. I don’t see that happening.
Congress can hold hearings to determine whether Alberto Gonzalez lied to Congress, but it would not be a criminal proceeding. They could then send their recommendation that Alberto Gonzalez be indicted for perjury, or not, to… Alberto Gonzalez. Fun, huh?
By @@
March 16, 2007 5:53 PM | Link to this
Wouldn’t you love to see a debate between Victoria Toensing and Valerie Plame. That would be awesome.
Straight forward and direct Toensing vs seductive blonde victimized Plame.
To paraphrase Toensing. “I’m not here to address what people talk about around the water cooler, in the hallway, at cocktail parties; I’m here to discuss the law.”
“Plame’s covert status did not meet the qualifications set out by the law. I wrote the law at the behest of the CIA.”
Who are the Democrats trying to fool?
They want to prosecute Rove for the murder of the Democrats in the 2000 and 2004 elections.
That, at least, would be honest.
Goldie:
You sure are all atwitter today. I guess it’s that “scheduled vacation day” that allowed you to watch the hearings.
But you’re usually here all day everyday. Are you blogging on your employer’s dime during your “working” (cough) days?
You might have to take off the next six months or longer because of your broken heart and all.
(((By: Goldie)))
(((My heart is literally broken listening to Mrs. Wilson testify right now.)))
I think she prefers to be called Ms. Plame.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 5:54 PM | Link to this
Here’s some words from Lynn Westmoreland today:
“If I seem a little nervous, I’ve never questioned a spy before,” Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, R-Ga. said. “I was here during the steroid hearings, too, and I don’t think any of those baseball stars got this kind of media attention that you’re getting today.”
What an embarassment! What an idiot!
By N-GA
March 16, 2007 5:55 PM | Link to this
Paul,
While I appreciate your thoughts about government-speak, I don’t think it appropriate to speculate here on the interpretation of “cleared” as it relates to the hearings. Specifically, if it is indeed relevent, then i am sure some pol/gov civil serpent will be sure to clarify it for the uninitiated.
I handled reams of classified information and most of it was crap. I had a miniscule role in the blu-29 bomblet (circa 1967), aka “cluster bomb”…some other stuff where even the topic is sensitive. Doesn’t matter. We don’t know what she knew or did. We do know she had embassy assignments (in Africa) and can infer that they were CIA-covers. Now that she has been outed, any African national who had contact with her will likely be viewed as being on the CIA payroll…at the very least, suspect. But so what if a few African bureaucrats get snuffed because Cheney/Rove had an axe to grind.
The whole episode is truly an abuse of power….nothing more, nothing less.
By Paul
March 16, 2007 5:57 PM | Link to this
Goldie I was responding to LuckoDull’s 5:00 cite of Ms Plame’s testimony;
{{Plame said she wasn’t a lawyer and didn’t know what her legal status was but said it shouldn’t have mattered to the officials who learned her identity.}}
That struck me as a red flag - disingenuous as best, very, very sorry at worst. Pls don’t confuse discussion of an issue with advocating a position. And as I said regarding the indictment - one can think a person’s a scumbag, one can think many of a person’s actions are reprehensible, but that alone is not enough to indict a person.
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this
EIKTO, (Sing it to the familiar tune and you don’t seem quite as obnoxious)
But Gonzalez would have to recuse himself, try again.
By Paul
March 16, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this
Goldie -
I’ll just have to listen to her. Too much “she said she said” that’s contradictory here. Unless her statements were contradictory.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 5:59 PM | Link to this
{{I think she prefers to be called Ms. Plame.}}
Boob, do you claim to read minds now?
By RE
March 16, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this
Man, you guys are just grasping at straws here.
There is no statement from any source that will counter your currently held view. Instead of taking the step of thinking you might have been wrong, you reach for any parsing of a phrase to cling on to the lie you have been protecting for so long.
Wake up guys
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 6:01 PM | Link to this
{{Goldie I was responding to LuckoDull’s 5:00 cite of Ms Plame’s testimony;}
Uber— that’s your first mistake in contributing to this discussion, basing your thoughts on what LuckoDull posts here… you may want to watch the testimony yourself and make your own judgments then.
By Even I Know This One
March 16, 2007 6:02 PM | Link to this
Soooo, the argument I’m hearing is that Valerie Plame was covert, just not covert enough for blowing her cover to be a criminal offense? Wow, how noble. What a high-minded argument. You should definitely take that to the American people in 2008.
By Paul
March 16, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this
N-GA
That’s a valid point about tracing her history. I thought it appropriate as many are not aware of what terms such as “cleared” “verified” or “authorized” can mean. They don’t necessarily relate to a search for truth and leaving someone with the impression they do is misleading.
I hope we’ll see a clarification and strengthening of the law in this regard. Democrats have the votes - they can paint is as “protecting civil servants serving in dangerous assignments,” leave Ms Plame’s name out of it, and they’ll get all the votes they need.
BTW - I told Goldie earlier today I’d look for a cite for the O’Reilly poll results (used the term “gin up”) and it reminded me - did you ever try Citadelle? Not rocks - no tonic - just stone cold.
By Daniel
March 16, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this
Paul: Yours of 5:50 is helpful. The whole thing is sad. What kind of people try to hurt a someone for what a spouse may have done? That puppy is going to get a lot of petting for a long time. But, as Luckovich says. Thje good news if that the Plame scandal has eclipsed the AG scandal and the Libby deal.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this
Uber-Paul, here’s some of the words that Plame used today in her testimony:
[“In the run-up to the war with Iraq, I worked in the counter-proliferation division of the CIA, still as a covert official, whose affiliation with the CIA was classified.” She developed “solid intelligence for senior policy makers on Iraq’s presumed WMD programs. I also traveled to foreign countries on secret missions to find vital intelligence. I loved my career because I loved my country.”
“It was not common knowledge on the Georgetown cocktail circuit that everyone knew where I worked,” she said, refuting that particular claim with a rather remarkable absence of attitude. “But all of my efforts on behalf of our national security, all of my training, all of my years of service were abruptly ended when my name and identity were exposed irresponsibly.”]
By Even I Know This One
March 16, 2007 6:09 PM | Link to this
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this
EIKTO, (Sing it to the familiar tune and you don’t seem quite as obnoxious)
But Gonzalez would have to recuse himself, try again
Hahahahaha. Yeah, right. Of course, he’d have no choice but to recuse himself. Good point. Because that’s the high ethical standard that’s quickly coming to light at this Justice Department and in this Administration generally.
You’ve obviously been hibernating or something for the last 6 years. He’d have to recuse himself… or what? What would happen? Congress would investigate him some more? The only person that could do anything to him is Bush.
Do you think he’ll get his pink slip and his pardon in the same envelope?
By @@
March 16, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this
Goldie:
Usually, when a person is playing to the media, the media asks for a correct spelling of their name.
Since it always appears as Valerie “Plame”, I’m assuming she’s a liberated woman who prefers “Ms. Plame”.
Hell, she seems to be your hero, I would think you could, at least, get her name correct. All the reporters do.
How’s your broken heart? On the mend, is it?
Will you be able to return to “work” (cough) Monday?
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 6:12 PM | Link to this
{{You should definitely take that to the American people in 2008.}}
Know This One— welcome to the Luckovich blog!
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this
{{I’m assuming she’s a liberated woman who prefers “Ms. Plame”.}
Boob$, you sure do assume a lot, don’t you? If you watched any of the testimony today, her name was labelled “Valerie Plame Wilson”, not Ms. Plame.
And I think we all know how the spelling of “assume” came about, don’t we????
By Even I Know This One
March 16, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this
Besides, what would he be recusing himself from, exactly? The investigation that doesn’t exist because he hasn’t authorized it? Good thinking.
By bon scott
March 16, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this
So nice to see the wingnuts cornered. Their base is now baseless. Applause to Midoti, Goldie, getalife, RE, daniel and too many others to be mentioned for speaking truth to power Wish I could post more often, but that darned work thing keeps getting in the way. Must be nice to be a wingnut with a fat trust fund or an obsessive contentment with a life of clay floors, a coal store, an an Internet connection.
President Bush ands his cronies, including Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rove deserve permanent suites at Guantanamo. Bibles will be allowed. Let them contemplate being part of the most wasteful and immoral administration since Warren G. Harding.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this
Good to see you post again, Bon Scott! I was able to spend more time here today than usual because I had a vacation day, so I know what you mean about working duties…
By Daniel
March 16, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this
Valerie: “My name and identity were carelessly and recklessly abused by senior members of the White House and State Department’. Every American has a right to privacy. A right to be left alone.
By N-GA
March 16, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Haven’t tried Citadelle straight up, stone cold. May have to do that. Due to limited space, I have only 2 bottles in the freezer: Grey Goose and Aalborg Porse, a Danish schnapp (spelling varies). The latter I received as a gift from a senior official in Demark’s counter-terrorism unit during a recent visit to Copenhagen. I think I “earned” it when we annihilated a bottle one evening while discussing Danish hippies.
Have a great weekend!
By Paul
March 16, 2007 6:22 PM | Link to this
Goldie
Possibly this entire affair will also cause the CIA (and other intelligence agencies) to rethink their policies regarding restrictions on spouses or “significant others” involvement in political activities. You’re covert, you and your spouse are restricted from involvement in political campaigns in the following ways: x y z. If the intent is to limit exposure and safeguard information and lives, then in today’s climate this should be considered.
By @@
March 16, 2007 6:23 PM | Link to this
Goldie:
I have been watching it. Watching the testimony of Ms. Valerie “Plame” Wilson (Valerie “Plame”) in the print media.
I didn’t get to watch it live. I was working, which is why I’m not on the board all day every day.
I’m working.
You?
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 6:25 PM | Link to this
{{By GruppenFuhrer Daniella March 16, 2007 6:08 PM Thje good news if that the Plame scandal has eclipsed the AG scandal and the Libby deal.}}
Bush could have replaced those 8 fired AG’s with his sisters, it wouldn’t have mattered. It’s his prerogative. All that will ever come from this is years of candy a-ss liberal smoke and noise, without any damage.
Bush could have announced on TV in front of the whole nation that he did not have sex with the woman, Ms. Plame, er, I mean the Joe Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA and sent him to Niger to collect evidence for a New York Times editorial trying to undermine the nation and give aid and comfort to Saddam Hussein. It don’t mean squat because she was not a “secret agent,” she was and still is a ditzy blonde who wouldn’t know a WMD if it fell in her lap, even though she’s an “expert.” Nothing will ever come of this but some two bit perjury conviction and candy as-s liberal smoke and noise.
The democrats sensing the countries frustration with our efforts in Iraq will make campaign promises about “getting the troops out.” Even though they won the election based on this promise nothing will ever come of this except candy as-s liberal smoke and noise with America kicking Al Qaeda’s as-s out of the Middle East.
Now impress us with some more smoke and noise you spineless little sissies.
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By Paul
March 16, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this
You, too N-GA. I’ve seen that on the shelves - on your recommendation I’ll try a bottle.
Love the Danes. Was in a class years ago with a Danish exchange guy - we were all discussing car maintenance and oil changes. He said Americans are nuts - overdo everything. Said never change the oil - add some if you need to, then trade the car every 2 years. He coulda been a hippie in uniform. Cheers!
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 6:29 PM | Link to this
Here’s another reason you Repugnants know that your time over in ‘08:
President Bush, standing in front of a banner that read “Rebuilding Our Republican Majority” and flanked by two giant puzzle pieces, last night pledged to House Republicans that the GOP will retake both congressional chambers and “hold the White House in 2008.”
But y’all just keep listening to your leader now!
By RE
March 16, 2007 6:34 PM | Link to this
Andy, you show your true colors.
You care more about the GOP than you do about the country. You have no sense of morality, honor, or patriotism.
You are vile and detestable
By @@
March 16, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this
Wow, I just googled “Congressional Investigation+Valerie Plame”.
The majority of the headlines read:
“Plame’s Testimony Sheds Little Light in Leak Case”.
Articles start of with:
“Valerie Plame put a ((glamorous face)) and a personal story to ((Democrats’ criticism)) of the Bush administration.”
Sounds kind of superficial to me.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this
Boob$, are you also the Doom guy that posts here? He’s been known to make some bad assumptions about people, too.
By Buy Danish
March 16, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this
{{{For me, the most telling moment came today when Plame was aksed if she was a Democrat or a Republican.}}}
Parrot,
It kinda matters when you husband was hired as John Kerry’s foreign policy advisor, don’tcha think?
In 2003 Wilson began to support and formally endorsed John Kerry for president, donated $2,000 to his campaign, and served as an advisor to and speechwriter for the campaign in 2003 and 2004
Gosh, I wonder why he wrote a lying Op Ed critical of the Bush Administration upon his return from Niger - without vetting it with the CIA first?
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 6:41 PM | Link to this
{{Sounds kind of superficial to me.}}
Yes, you do come across as very superficial…
ROFLMAO!
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this
OMG, I doubt I’ll ever get my monitor clean after reading the 6:19 from Goldielocks!
Goldie,
If anything you’ve posted less than usual today.
EIKTO,
They would just set up a special prosecutor, but I do agree with you that there isn’t anything to investigate or prosecute. Of course there wasn’t with Libby either, but that will never stop a bunch of power crazed Democrats.
RE,
Why are you having such a hard time with a working definition and a legal one? That happens all the time in our everyday lives. By the way, why don’t any of you libs crying about Plame care about the agents that the LA Times practically printed maps to there homes in the paper a few weeks ago?
By @@
March 16, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this
No Goldie, not Doom.
@@ yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
All the conservatives know Doom is a liberal moby. That’s probably why you and Midori have taken such a liking to him, and him to you.
It just makes sense.
But then common sense is something you’re lacking.
By Buy Danish
March 16, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this
Hey Goldie,
Have you come up with a “lie” that I told yet? How about Victoria Toensing’s lies?
Would it be fair to say that you are a liar when you falsely accuse me and V.T. of being one?
Or are you just a fool?
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this
{{It kinda matters when you husband was hired as John Kerry’s foreign policy advisor, don’tcha think}}
Donut— which took place after Wilson knew who his friends really were! Would you work for this administration if this happened to you and your husband? Probably not — I don’t even think YOU would be that stupid!
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 6:47 PM | Link to this
{{By RE March 16, 2007 6:34 PM You care more about the GOP than you do about the country. You have no sense of morality, honor, or patriotism.}}
RE: Joe Wilson didn’t go to Niger for the sake of his country, if he had we would have never known about Valerie Plame. He would have simply went on his fact finding mission, reported what he found to his superiors and made his case.
This guy skipped all of that and went directly to the New York Times, the most outlandishly anti American newspaper to have ever existed, and wrote an editorial that contradicted British Intelligence, HIS OWN FREAKING REPORT TO THE CIA, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Tom Daschle, Harry Reid, Al Gore, Pat Rockefeller, the United Nations, The CIA, The State Department and Colin Powell.
An editorial that gave aid and comfort to a sworn enemy of the United States.
You candy a-ss back stabbing spineless sissy liberals are the very definition of treason, your picture should be in the dictionary.
I have no what??
Blow me.
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By Daniel
March 16, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this
@@ Why did our government try to discredit a man by hurting hiswife?
By Midori
March 16, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this
I see Hagitha has crawled from beneath the sewer to once again attempt to bully us for thinking like rational beings.
Go stir your cauldron, witch.
By Midori
March 16, 2007 6:50 PM | Link to this
What’s the matter, Hag?
The question for you wouldn’t be about being a republican or a democrat.
It would be are you a reptile, horse’s a@@, or just plain B*tch of a witch.
Freaking Hag.
By Midori
March 16, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this
Where you been all day, Hag?
Trolling the catacombs looking for dinner?
What’s on the menu tonight? Rat carcass?
By @@
March 16, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this
I was surprised by the personal “opinions” put forth by the Democrats. I was expecting “personal” opinions, but I don’t know where they fit into an investigation.
The list…the list of acceptable questions caused my jaw to drop.
It was a political circus with the Democrats under THEIR “Big Tent”.
A Big Tent filled with donkey manure.
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this
Hey Midori: If it helps any, I think you should have won:
{{By Kevin
March 16, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this
Although this blog has many mouth breathing idiot liberals on it and they are all basically barbaric imbeciles, I must choose Goldi as the most moronic and truly naive, based upon her utter cluelessness. It was a titanic inner struggle not to pick Midori, although they could be the same person so it wouldn’t matter anyway.}}
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By Buy Danish
March 16, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this
{{{By Goldie
March 16, 2007 6:37 PM | Link to this
Boob$, are you also the Doom guy that posts here? He’s been known to make some bad assumptions about people, too.}}}
@@,
This is too much! Doom and Magneto accuse me of being you, and think that Goldie is Midori. Now GoldieDull has decided that you could be Doom.
I guess that could mean that since I am you, I am Doom too?
It would be hilarious if not for the fact that these idiot moonbats vote.
By Midori
March 16, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this
Goldie,
I can tell you in all certainty, that Hag Danish is, indeed, stupid.
Explains her bitterness quite well, doesn’t it?
By @@
March 16, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this
Daniel:
Wilson AND his wife work as a team. Don’t be naive.
By Midori
March 16, 2007 6:55 PM | Link to this
Ut Oh,
Andy has broke open his second crate of vodka for the day.
This should get real interesting.
What’s that saying about going thru life drunk and stupid…….?
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this
Yes, she is stupid, along with a few others who are blinded by their hatred of America.
By Midori
March 16, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this
Ah, and I see Andy’s Mom, er, Sister, @@ has shown up too.
What’s with you wingnuts?
You only show up when the blog is about to close.
Is that the only way you can get your vapid points across?
@@,
isn’t what you and Andy doing against the law?
I’m not talking about loading his crack pipe for him, either.
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this
For anyone who missed Valerie Plame Wilson’s testimony today, C-Span plans to re-air again @ 8:00 in its entirety.
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this
Well it might have happened later than usual, but the parrot came through with a classic Friday meltdown.
By @@
March 16, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this
Buy Danish:
You know what I think…they’re all the figments of “one” vivid imagination.
Magneto - Doom - Midori - Goldie.
All liberals, all subject to one lunatic thought.
By Buy Danish
March 16, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this
Parrotaporcinabovinavulgaris,
Maybe you don’t work taking out the trash for CNN or the AJC, or at The Varsity. Maybe you work at a preschool and that’s where you pick up all your juvenile and vulgar language?
{{{By Goldie
March 16, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this
{{It kinda matters when you husband was hired as John Kerry’s foreign policy advisor, don’tcha think}}
Donut— which took place after Wilson knew who his friends really were! Would you work for this administration if this happened to you and your husband? Probably not — I don’t even think YOU would be that stupid!}}}
GoldieDull,
I didn’t think that even YOU could be that ignorant. Do I need to draw up a timeline for you, child? Something both you and Midori could understand?
Or are you now going to claim that Karl Rove and the Neo-cons plotted to out Ms. Plame before he even went to Niger?
By RE
March 16, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this
Andy you dunce,
Are you saying it is Joe Wilsons fault that Cheney had Libby leak her name to the press.
Moron
Grow a pair and recognize treason when you see it. Exposing the name of a covert agent and the operation she works for in a time of war is treason. It just so happens that the traitor is the VP
By Goldie
March 16, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this
Happy St. Patty’s Day!!
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 7:12 PM | Link to this
{{By RE March 16, 2007 7:04 PM Are you saying it is Joe Wilsons fault that Cheney had Libby leak her name to the press.}}
RE: You’re awful snippy tonite, aren’t you?
Incontinence got you down?
This may come as a surprise but Libby wasn’t convicted for that.
Fitzgerald knew that Armitage was the leaker and for some reason, PROBABLY BECAUSE SHE WASN’T UNDERCOVER, chose not to prosecute him.
I thought this was simple enough for even an idiot like you to understand but apparently I’m wrong about that.
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By @@
March 16, 2007 7:13 PM | Link to this
Midori:
Did you miss the part where I said I work. That usually causes me to arrive here late.
That makes sense to you, right?
Are you about to wallow in your Friday night Fifth, errrr Filth?
I’ll check back later to give you a rating.
“G” “GP13” “R” “X” “XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX”
By Buy Danish
March 16, 2007 7:19 PM | Link to this
Well I feel better now, knowing that the FBI says not to worry./Sarc.
FBI: Extremists Driving School Buses
Am I the only one who wonders what are these “foreigners” doing here in the first place? I don’t get the impression that they are U.S. Citizens.
By @@
March 16, 2007 7:25 PM | Link to this
Whoops! Make that “GP13” “PG13”.
Haven’t been to one of those in years.
By RW-(the original)
March 16, 2007 7:34 PM | Link to this
@@,
I thought the GP rating was for General Parroting.
RE,
Not only is Joe Wilson to blame for his wife’s outing, he flat out guaranteed she would be outed when he wrote the New York Times piece.
I’ll be willing to say that Valerie was only concerned with her precious desk jockey job when she takes the millions she’s making now and says she’ll donate all but her previous salary to charity.
The CIA also needs to purge all employees that are married to media w-hores.
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 7:36 PM | Link to this
“…but Cheney had no faith in the CIA.”
David Kay
“I think there is one thing that influences him [Cheney], at least in our conversations. He remembered as clearly as I remembered how wrong intelligence had been in 1991.” [emphasis added]
Narrator voiceover
“They had been wrong about the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Iranian revolution, Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait, and more.”
Richard Clarke
“There was a massive nuclear program in Iraq [in 1991], nuclear weapons development program, that was probably 9 - 18 months away from having its first nuclear weapon detonation. And that CIA had totally missed it. We had bombed everything we could bomb in Iraq, but missed an enormous nuclear weapons development facility; didn’t know it was there; never dropped one bomb on it.” [emphasis added]
David Kay
“That’s at the forefront, at least in my conversations with him [Cheney], about Iraq. ‘They were wrong before; they didn’t get the evidence; how do we know what they know now?’”
Richard Clarke
“There’s no doubt that the Dick Cheney that comes back into office eight years later - nine years later - has that as one of the things burned into his memory: that Iraq wants a nuclear weapon; Iraq was ‘that close’ (holding up thumb and forefinger) to getting a nuclear weapon; and CIA hadn’t a clue.” [emphasis added]
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 7:43 PM | Link to this
And so we come to Joe Wilson’s op-ed in the New York Times on July 6, 2003 “What I Didn’t Find in Africa.” With the nuclear genie out of the bottle and the CIA unable to account for its whereabouts, ultimately, the survival of the country was at risk. How did the CIA respond to this crisis? By sending the spouse of one of its employees to investigate the possible sale of a significant unit of uranium to a hostile party. Is it possible to imagine a more casual attitude toward national security? And then the envoy himself took a lax attitude to his duties:
“I spent the next eight days drinking sweet mint tea and meeting with dozens of people: current government officials, former government officials, people associated with the country’s uranium business.”
Is this how you want your family protected? Is this how anyone thinks our affairs should be handled when the fate of the nation is at stake? Is it any wonder that Cheney was surprised…and dismayed when he read about this in the NY Times?
What were Mr. Wilson’s qualifications upon which the fate of the nation was to be staked?
Expertise in nuclear weapons? No.
Expertise in intelligence? No.
His wife worked for the CIA!
By LuckoDull
March 16, 2007 7:47 PM | Link to this
Wilson’s column was an attack on the Administration and, when you think about it, a CIA attack on the Administration. The CIA neither restrained Wilson from publicizing his mission nor punished him for doing so. His column came at a time when Wilson wanted to establish a position with the Dems for the upcoming election, but principally in the wake of the failure to find WMDs in Iraq following the combat phase of the war. Who had said there would be WMDs in Iraq? The CIA. And who worked in the WMD section of the CIA? Mr. Wilson’s wife!
By @@
March 16, 2007 8:52 PM | Link to this
And in his “closing arguments” LuckoDull just nailed the liberals “trembling jello” to the wall.
When the evidence is tentative, as it is in the Plame case, then apply common sense to lead the way on the path to truth.
Otherwise, you just come off looking like a vindictive Democrat whose lost your way.
Great summation LuckoDull.
By Top Secret
March 16, 2007 10:27 PM | Link to this
For the most part, the AJC’s anonymous bloggers are more careful about keeping their identity a secret than Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame were about keeping her status as a “CIA agent” underwraps.
What a farce.