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By LuckoDull

March 17, 2007 6:38 AM | Link to this

We got the guy that schemed the WTC and Pentagon, which directly led to the loss of 3000 American citizens, and now the candy a-ss liberals want to set him free and draw cartoons about him:

{{Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, or “KSM,” who masterminded the plot and got Osama bin Laden to finance it, and Ramzi Binalshibh, who acted as KSM’s liaison with lead suicide terrorist Mohamed Atta—were performed by the CIA at secret locations. KSM claimed that he left almost all the tactical details to Atta, and therefore could not say where Atta went, or whom he visited, in the final months of the plot.}}

This may come as a surprise to you jobless, government funded windbags, but the LEADERS of an organization or a country pretty much have their hands in EVERYTHING that that country does. The dude didn’t say he flew the planes.

Duh.

I know you lazy a* wards of state have no idea how management works, your hero Luckovich can’t even get his own server to run right, but KSM wasn’t some pinko liberal leach looking for a government program to attach himself to, no, he was a terror planner for all of Al Qaeda and a busy one at that.

Bin Laden provided the money, KSM brought the thinking.

Once you set him free, maybe you candy as-ses could get him to run Hillary’s campaign, she needs the help.

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By LuckoDull

March 17, 2007 7:35 AM | Link to this

Ooops:

The bracketed quote from above at 6:38 is from the 9/11 Commission, which if you recall, the democrats say we should make every one of their recommendations into law.

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 6:02 AM | Link to this

Fake picture in the Urinal!

Anyone can see that the fire is coming from in front of the vehicle and that the pinko terrorist cameraman positioned himself to make it look like the smoke was coming from the vehicle.

So what else is fake today, AJC, you stunning bastion of integrity?

Matter of fact what else have you faked for the last 4 years?

Filthy anti American lying scumbags, go to Hell.

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By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 7:53 AM | Link to this

Valerie Plame perjury?

“I did not suggest him,” she said. “There was no nepotism involved. I didn’t have the authority.”

This is even more of a solid case then Fitzgerald had against Scooter Libbey, there is written evidence contrary to her testimony:

{{A Senate panel releases report on Iraq, which says Plame wrote a memo recommending Wilson for the trip.}}

Dear Fellow Conservatives: It is time, er, past time for us to drop the hammer on these candy a-ss pinko liberals. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO CUT US ANY SLACK FOR ANYTHING, look at this contrived Attorney General BS for proof of that. We do not need to show any sympathy for this woman, or anything else we catch these crooks doing, put her in jail now.

Call your Congressman, call Limbaugh, call Hannity, send Fox a bunch of emails, DO NOT LET OUR SIDE SWEEP THIS UNDER THE RUG LIKE THEY DO EVERYTHING ELSE.

Independent prosecutor.

Now.

Take it to that a-ss.

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By Mrs. Godzilla

March 19, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this

Is this one of the bad guys? Hell yes!

Does he deserve righteous punishment meted out by a good old fashioned judge from the U. S. of A. and a jury of twelve decent, law-abiding American men and women? Hell yes!

Did we stoop so low as to behave like our enemies? It appears likely.

If our justice system works the way it should this disgusting piece of work could get off because we probably tortured the snot out of him. I understand he confessed to being the father of Big Foots baby.

Worse, under torture he may have confessed to things he did not do. Like sink the Lusitania. We may have just given cover to some more real bad guys. ( Ironic, sometimes they give a bad guy cover, sometimes they blow a great lady�s cover.) Does that ring at all of incompetence? Have we not seen a veritable smorgasbord of fops, boobs and trolls highlighted in our government�s performance lately?

Is it possible that somebody has been putting under-qualified, ill-trained, in-experienced, political cronies in critical positions throughout our government�s infrastructure? Hell yes!

It�s not nice to fool Lady Justice. She may be blind, but she is not stupid.

Peace.

By DebbieDoRight

March 19, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this

Any type of confession under duress need to be looked at very caefully. We, the US, might in fact let the real criminals go, (Osama Bin Laden), while not doing the needed leg work and due dilligence that we should have done.

Any whooo I heard he’s confessed that he’s Anna Nicole’s baby’s daddy…..

By DebbieDoRight

March 19, 2007 8:17 AM | Link to this

Any type of confession under duress need to be looked at very caefully. We, the US, might in fact let the real criminals go, (Osama Bin Laden), while not doing the needed leg work and due dilligence that we should have done.

Any whooo I heard he’s confessed that he’s Anna Nicole’s baby’s daddy…..

By DebbieDoRight

March 19, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this

Sorry about the double post — for some reason I got an error which said it didn’t post, and when I reposted I posted a double! Sorry again.

By Quote on responding to Andi

March 19, 2007 8:19 AM | Link to this

I called my Congressman but he was loaded up on scotch(he’s a Republican)it was good scotch however, I called Limbaugh but he was stoned, I called Hannity but he wasn’t home, he was out with his significant other, I Emailed Fox News but they wouldn’t respond, Rupert had shut down the server, who can I call Andi, who can I call.

By Truthsayer

March 19, 2007 8:21 AM | Link to this

Godzilla - Please cite to me any instance in which a prisoner of war (who is not an American citizen) has been tried by a U.S. court and a jury of his peers (being a non-citizen, he would technically not have any)? You are creating constitutional rights under our Constitution for the entire world! The man is a war criminal and should be tried by an international tribunal akin to the Nurmenberg tribunals. That is an argument I could live with, although lately these things have been ineffective, at least it makes more sense than your argument which has no foundation in law or legal tradition!

By Mrs. Godzilla

March 19, 2007 8:33 AM | Link to this

Truthsayer -

Who will try KSM? One of those nifty new military commissions?

I don’t like that idea. I assume that slime ball is responsible for at least some of what he confessed to. (I don’t buy that whole “I’m Mary Cheney’s baby daddy” bit)

How can we trust a Bush created system to do this right? Their record for doing things competently is nil.

It may well be impossible, but the American people ought to get a crack at this guy.

I could go for an international tribunal also. They however, will have a harder time accepting any kind of coerced confession.

By Brian Curtis

March 19, 2007 8:37 AM | Link to this

Truthsayer seems remarkably uninformed.

The TRUTH is that noncitizens do, in fact, have constitutional rights. Most of the Bill of Rights, plus the 14th amendment, apply to “all persons,” not just U.S. citizens.

The First, Fourth, and Fifth amendments in particular have been upheld as rights belonging to all people, regardless of citizenship… EVEN if they’re illegal immigrants! (Imagine that; breaking one law doesn’t deny you all your other rights! What a crazy notion.)

http://www.aclu.org/kyr/kyr_english.pdf

And by the way, the President has no power to suspend those rights, even in war time.

By mountain man

March 19, 2007 8:39 AM | Link to this

You gotta admire Andy Dull. Its not easy spending almost every waking hour defending the republic from the likes of the Islamo-fascist terrorists and their fellow travelers the pinko liberal pansies. Andy gets up so early to blog on this site that he’s figured out how to do way before the site is even open.

To add to this full plate, he still finds time to break away from his incessant pecking on the keyboard to get dressed and go downtown for his meeting with the therapist to discuss those pesky rage and sexual identity issues. You gotta admire him

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 8:44 AM | Link to this

I am carrying this over from Wootens, because it bears repeating -

Tell me, why did Valerie Plame tell Joe Wilson that she worked for the CIA on their third date if it was such a big freaking secret?

CIA officers who really are covert don�t even tell their family members, never mind their dates.

From the infamous Vanity Fair story:

On the third or fourth date, he says, they were in the middle of a �heavy make-out� session when she said she had something to tell him. She was very conflicted and very nervous, thinking of everything that had gone into getting her to that point, such as money and training�She was, she explained, undercover in the C.I.A. �It did nothing to dampen my ardor,� he says. �My only question was: Is your name really Valerie?�

What a farce! Of course it did nothing to �dampen his ardor�! It was all so very glamorous and he couldn�t wait to blab it all over town.

Which he did.

And may I add how utterly tasteless it is for Lying Joe Wilson to describe his makeout sessions in the first place? What an ego-centric, foppish, metrosexual blowhard.

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

Speaking of “confessions”,

At the Nation award lunch Wilson wept openly on the podium as he looked his wife straight in the eye and declared, “If I could give you back your anonymity … ” He swallowed, unable to speak for a few seconds. “You are the most wonderful person I know. And I’m sorry this has been brought on you.” Valerie Plame also teared up. The room was electrified.

Yep, sounds like he’s admitting he blabbed her name all over town.

By IN THE NEWS

March 19, 2007 9:01 AM | Link to this

I’m curious to know if the public will be told what parts of Victoria Toensings testimony were so obviously inaccurate that the records of the hearing are being held open to correct those inaccuracies. And if they know that she gave ‘inaccurate testimony……. will she be charged with lying under oath?

By DebbieDoRight

March 19, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

Danish: He blabbed their “make out” session all over town!!! He was an older guy making it with a younger chick!! He probably took out an ad on his newspapers’ front page!!

By blogaholics anonymous

March 19, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

“carrying this over from wootens”??????

you really need to get a life outside of these blogs

By Walt

March 19, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

Luckodull Sends:

“Bin Laden provided the money, KSM brought the thinking.”

YOu’re so stupid you got it backwards.

It is Bin Laden who looked at the defeat of the USSR in Afghanistan and saw that he could run the same program on us. He authorized the “planes” attack, and KSM oversaw it.

You moron.

And guess what — thanks to Bush doing -exactly- what he wanted in invading Iraq, OBL may be right.

Walt

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

In 1997, Plame moved back to the Washington area, partly because (as was recently reported in The New York Times) the C.I.A. suspected that her name may have been on a list given to the Russians by the double agent Aldrich Ames in 1994.

Her cover was blown in 1997. You have to be very gullible to believe the B.S. that she was still undercover when she came back to the U.S. after her cover had been blown.

More on Wilson the blowhard:

Such chutzpah inevitably didn’t win over everyone. “Grandstanding” is what someone who was with him in Baghdad calls it. “He always liked to grandstand…. They (State Department higher-ups) thought he was arrogant and demanding.”

No kidding.

By Lord Help Us

March 19, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

From his safe haven in Pakistan, bin Laden recently assured his followers…

‘We’re fighting them over there (Iraq), so we don’t have to fight them over here (Pakistan).’

Tom Delay faithfully reiterated Bin Laden’s positions on Tim Russert yesterday morning, along with further validating the terrorist leaders mantra that ‘Iraq is the central front in the war…’

While thrown out of Congress even before the rest of the Republican majority and awaiting trial for his many felonies, Delay will wait breathlessly for his next talking pooints from Bin Laden…

By bon scott

March 19, 2007 9:17 AM | Link to this

Hey, it’s a funny cartoon. I have no doubt that KSM is guilty as sin and deserves a lifeime at Guantanamo in a 12 by 12 room with no radio, TV…. or air conditioning.

But hey, we got the guy. Let’s make fun of him. And Pete Rose (who I am pretty sure had nothing to do with 9/11). Some of you guys (Andy?) need to get a sense of humor.

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

What kind of undercover agent and C.I.A. employee who is supposed to be serving the Country, not the Democrat Party, attends Democrat Party conferences where her husband blabs to NYT reporters? The Valerie Plame kind:

In early May, Wilson and Plame attended a conference sponsored by the Senate Democratic Policy Committee, at which Wilson spoke about Iraq; one of the other panelists was the New York Times journalist Nicholas Kristof. Over breakfast the next morning with Kristof and his wife, Wilson told about his trip to Niger and said Kristof could write about it, but not name him.

By IN THE NEWS

March 19, 2007 9:29 AM | Link to this

WHAT KIND OF AMERICAN DEFENDS TRAITORS?

WHAT KIND OF AMERICAN DOESNT GIVE A RATS WHO HA ABOUT AN ENTIRE NETWORK OF SPIES AND OPERATIVES TRYING TO KEEP US SAFE?

WHAT KIND OF AMERICAN FOLLOWS FOX MEDIA TALKING POINTS INSTEAD OF THE HEAD OF THE CIA>

AN UN-AMERICAN.

A REAL BIG UN_AMERICAN

By Blackadder

March 19, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

A point of interest

Every news organization except FOX says: Libby Found Guilty on Four Counts

FOX says: Libby Innocent on One Count

And you wonder why FOX News isn’t taken seriously and is painted as a Republican propaganda outlet.

By @@

March 19, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Oh the horror ml, the absolute horror….

KSM is the “butt” of your joke today.

Does Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch know about your cruelty?

It’s time for “YOU” to fess up.

I’ll get the nasal spray.

By Paul

March 19, 2007 10:04 AM | Link to this

Brian Curtis Mrs Godzilla

The “Constitutional Rights” argument extends to people in the US - regardless of citizenship - for civil/criminal proceedings.

The Geneva Conventions apply to signatories of the Conventions and specifies under what conditions prisoners have rights, as well as what those rights are. Not all combatants are automatically accorded Geneva Convention protection status, although a country may voluntarily extend such protections.

Enemy forces captured within the continental US during previous conflicts (German, WWII) have not been accorded “Constitutional Rights” and access to the criminal justice system.

What the US has been grappling with in the “War on Terror/Jihadists” is how to treat non-state sponsored combatants who are part of one or several organizations who may or may not have declared war on the US (Al Qeda has - during the Clinton Administration) and who are captured while conducting military operations. Initially treating the combatants and their involvement as criminal cases further complicated the process (FBI vs military vs CIA procedures, for example). The latest law (not policy) on Commissions was crafted in response to Federal and Supreme Court rulings. It will likely be further modified.

By Blackadder

March 19, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

CIA agents aren’t covert during their entire employment with the agency. It depends on their current assignment. I would have to guess that Valerie Plame was not covert when she mentioned, on her third date with Joe, that she worked for the CIA. Later her assignment changed and she became covert to execute that assignment.

Really isn’t that hard to figure out or research.

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS!

WHAT KIND OF UNDERCOVER C.I.A. AGENT MEETS WITH NYT REPORTERS?

Why was she attending this Democrat conference in the first place?

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

Wilson immediately called a couple of people in the government, whose identities he will not divulge-“They are close to certain people in the administration,” he says-and warned them that if Rice would not correct the record he would. One of them, he says, told him to write the story. So at the beginning of July he sat down to write “What I Didn’t Find in Africa.”

It’s time for Lying Joe Wilson to divulge what the identity of these people “in government” who were encouraging him to publicize a C.I.A. mission.

Who knows - they could be the same people who passed classified info to Dana Preist at WaPo and James Risen at the NYT.

By DebbieDoRight

March 19, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

Danish: You are truly persistent!! The Libby thing is mostly over until the appeals process. Just let it go! A Jury of his peers found him guilty of perjury, not for leaking Plame’s existence but for LYING about it under oath. He was afforded justice under the American Legal system, he was found guilty, and he can appeal.

By IN THE NEWS

March 19, 2007 10:16 AM | Link to this

THE COVERT KIND YOU TWIT>

I BET YOUD BE HOLLERIN TREASON IF SHE WAS OUTED AFTER GOING TO A REPUBLIC CONFERENCE>>>>

YOU ARE A PARTISAN HACK AND ANTI AMERICAN

By Paul

March 19, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

In The News

Everyone’s awake now. There’s a little button on your keyboard, could be on the far left, third row up from the bottom. If you press it once you may see “Caps Lock Off” flash on your screen. Please try it.

By IN THE NEWS

March 19, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

CANT HELP YA ABOUT THE CAPS LETS JUST SAY I HAVE NO CHOICE.

By Truthsayer

March 19, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

Godzilla - again, tell me why do we owe hime constitutional rights under our consitution. He is a war criminal, prisoner of war and complete low-life. Those “nifty” tribunals, as you call them, certainly would be immenently fairer than a Sharia court and the justice women and the poor receive in the Islamic world. I think that you have let hatred of one man blind you to the truth in many situations. You need to take a deep breath and look a it objectively. I shudder to think how you would have handled the war criminals after WWII - both Japanese and German!

By Blackadder

March 19, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

I watched “Meet the Press” yesterday for the first time in a long while. Somehow an actual anti-war activist made it on with Russert. Retired Admiral Sestak was on too. As a bonus, the disgraced right wing moron known as Tom Delay and Richard Perle appeared as their comic foils.

Still, even with Sestak and Win Without War director Tom Andrews absolutely destroying Delay and Perle, it was depressing to see the total ignorance and mendacity of the latter two. Delay obviously has no clue whatsoever about the war or the region, and he couldn’t stop embarrassing himself. At one point, he claimed redeployment to surrounding nations wouldn’t be possible because countries like Bahrain and Qatar wouldn’t accept U.S. troops. Sestak looked at him like he had three heads and informed him that we have bases in these nations already. Perle trotted out the same BS he’s spewed for years, and Andrews just shredded him, especially bringing home the fundamental point that we still, after four years of war, don’t know who we’re trying to support in Iraq. The people we train by day are the same people we fight at night. Unbelievably ridiculous.

Sestak and Andrews did extraordinarily well, speaking reasonably, firmly, and logically, while Perle and Delay fumbled and made wild, unfounded claims and accusations. We have the right information and the right people on our side, and we’ll either get the right policies now or we’ll get them in 2008 by a landslide.

By getalife

March 19, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

This just in “knuckleball” aka KSM has admitted he blew up the abortion clinics.

Also, he claimed he shot JR.

Geez.

By @@

March 19, 2007 10:33 AM | Link to this

Alright ml, last post before I’m off to work. This one goes out to Paul at 10:04.

It was under President Clinton that the CIA first devised the rendition process as a means of dealing with the threat from bin Laden’s network. Such operations were “approved by lawyers in the National Security Agency and the Department of Justice”, says Scheuer.

It’s that old inconvenient truth that no liberal wants to hear. “Clinton did it too”.

Bill was tortured by Osama then and Hillary tortured by Obama now.

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS!

How could she have been covert if her cover was blown in 1997?

Why was she meeting with reporters?

It seems obvious that she was more a Democrat operative than a C.I.A. operative by the time she arranged to have her lying blowhard husband sent to Niger.

DDR,

I have not mentioned Scooter Libby’s name. What happened to him has nothing to do with the facts I have laid out from the Vanity Fair story.

By Blackadder

March 19, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

Some of the US Attorneys may have been fired to thwart CIA probe.

And as Senator Leahy notes, if that’s the case, then you’re entering criminal territory - it’s called obstruction of justice, and if two or more people agree to do it, it’s a criminal conspiracy.

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

By mountain girl March 19, 2007 8:39 AM To add to this full plate, he still finds time to break away from his incessant pecking on the keyboard to get dressed and go downtown for his meeting with the therapist to discuss those pesky rage and sexual identity issues.

N-GA: Um, not everybody has these “pesky rage and sexual identity issues,” like you do.

Indict Plame Now!

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By Truthsayer

March 19, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Thank you Paul. You got all of the particulars right. You did a great educational service today, but folks like Godzilla and Brian will still fail the finals.

By Mrs. Godzilla

March 19, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Truthsayer, not to put too fine a point on it, your last post was the only time you asked me “why do we owe hime constitutional rights under our consitution”.

Because its the right thing to do.

Even a disgusting killer slime ball deserves a fair trial.

See that’s what Democracy and America are all about.

Remember, “We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal….” I know Tom didn’t mention it specifically when he wrote it but it’s generally accepted that this means ALL men not just American citizens.

Or perhaps you believe that all men are not created equal. Maybe just some. Maybe just those you select.

We mustn’t be stingy.

If you want us to spread Democracy you have to behave Democratically.

Otherwise we are just spreading hype.

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

OBNOXIOUS BLOWHARD IN THE NEWS,

TRY TYPING LIKE ML ALL IN LOWER CASE.

like this -

i don’t buy your “lost pinky” story. you are not a “newcomer” - you’ve just changed your on-line “identity”.

By Neo-ConArtist

March 19, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

I think it’s very telling how some of the right-wing extremists here will post how “government is bad” or “we need less government.” And yet, every day there are 3 or 4 extremists who will also defend every action, legal or illegal, that is done by the Bush administration. Why is that?

By Neo-Think

March 19, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

Wow, what a load of neo-rationalization we see this morning.

It’s ok for members of our governemnt to use the power that has been granted them to satisfy personnal vendettas because…….

Is there ever anything at all that a Neo will not rationalize for the greater good of their God (Bush, not Jehovah)! As Coulter reminds us, Republicans are not ‘Godless’, they worship and make human sacrifice (soldiers) to their God Bush each and every day, in each and every way!

A Neo would screw their own grandmother and send their own daughters out to turn tricks for the greater glory of God Bush!

By Rick Streng

March 19, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Mike..I love your cartoons, comments, and articles. I look forward to them everyday. Thanks!

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

Coddling terrorists and enemy combatants and giving them rights reserved for U.S. citizens is the right thing to do?

Your compassion for other human beings seems to be terribly one-sided.

By IN THE NEWS

March 19, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

BYE BYE DANISH

LOST A PINKY?

YOU STILL JUST GOTTA MAKE UP STUFF TO SUIT YOURSELF>

EXCUSE MY WHILE I COPY YOU

GFY X2

ICKY

By Neo-ConArtist

March 19, 2007 10:49 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla posts: “If you want us to spread Democracy you have to behave Democratically.”

The idea of “democracy” seems to escape many of the Bush apologists here on the blog. What is the excuse that they often use for our invasion of Iraq? “Spreading democracy”, but apparently they don’t support democratic ideals here in America.

By Walt

March 19, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

That -was- a very interesting “Meet the Press”. Maybe Russert saw the criticism recently of him being “large and toothless”.

Admiral Sestak just sounded so reasonable. It was odd that when DeLay would interupt him, the camera stayed on the admiral, it didn’t cut to DeLay. Maybe his head was spinning around and around.

The onle thing I wanted to hear from the Admiral or the other guy was when Perle kept saying “Iraq, Iraq, Iraq.” - I wanted to hear, “Hey, dummy — it’s a global war on terror.”

Perle is focused on Iraq because an unsettled Iraq is a boon to Israel. He doesn’t want for it to settle down.

That MTP also bore out what I said the other day; in any such forum, the Bushbots will be rude and interupt the other people. The idea is to make sure that the segment has no content at all.

Walt

By Truthsayer

March 19, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Godzilla - I have come to realize that you and so many others are missing the point here. We are not only fighting for our survival as a nation, but as a culture and civilization as well. You quoted the Declaration of Independence, a wonderful document, but one which has ZERO force of law. If you libs did believe in it as you say you do, you all would have to acknowledge a creator. But then, that would make you an extremist, unless, of course, you were a Muslim fighting the United States and the rest of western civilization. Even German soldier caught on American soil during WWII were not afforded civil trials in United States’ courts. I do not see how it is the decent thing to do to give our sworn enemies fora in which to preach death to America.

Remember, these same people hated Clinton and his crowd as much as they hate Bush. They hate us. You need to stop being blinded by hatred and look at this as what it is: WAR.

By Brian Curtis

March 19, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

Paul: You’re incorrect in your interpretation of how constitutional rights apply. Strictly speaking, they don’t apply to ANY people… rather, they apply restrictions to what the U.S. government is allowed to do.

When it deals with noncitizens, the U.S. government has a list of things they may not do—these are rights that may not be violated. It doesn’t matter if the people involved are citizens or noncitizens, illegal immigrants, “enemy combatants,” or any other category Bush chooses to invent. Their constitutional rights simply may NOT be violated. Period.

It has nothing to do with whose jurisdiction they’re under. Those rights apply anywhere the U.S. government operates and exerts any level of influence whatsoever.

Example: Does that mean that women in oppressive theocratic regimes have “constitutional rights”? According to the U.S. Constitution and our dealings with them, yes they do. Their own governments may not acknowledge or respect those rights, but that’s irrelevant to what OUR government is and is not allowed to do.

By Walt

March 19, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

I have never seen so much Orwellian crap on one thread.

Joe Wilson didn’t divulge classified information, the Vice President did.

He did it, because he knew it should lead -at least- to defeat in the 2004 election, and maybe prison.

With God’s help, he will still wind up in prison and so will Bush.

Walt

By Neo-Think

March 19, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

LONDON (AFP) - Iraqis are increasingly gloomy about the future four years after Saddam Hussein was ousted — and fewer than one in five have faith in the US-led coalition, a poll suggested Monday.

Only 18 percent of those polled had confidence in US and coalition troops, while 78 percent opposed their presence, 69 percent said their presence made security worse and 51 percent said attacks on coalition forces were justified.

Neos tell us that THESE are the same people who, if we just give em another couple of months, will turn into our staunchest allies in the ‘global war on terror’.

What a complete crock of shiite! Iraqis never wanted us there, still don’t, and they never will. The fact that Neos are still hanging their hopes on Iraqis that want to see us dead and gone, says everything you ever need to know about the perversity that is neo-think.

By Mrs. Godzilla

March 19, 2007 11:01 AM | Link to this

Truthsayer, we will not agree. But your rebuttal was polite - mostly. I thank you for that.

Buy Danish, My sister!

You mention coddling. Not me. I only coddle eggs.

My compassion for other human beings is real. Do you have any at all?

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS WHO IS NOT A NEWBIE,

Have I said anything about playing tennis at this blog or Wooten’s???

{{{By IN THE NEWS

March 16, 2007 9:19 AM | Link to this

BUY DANISH

SHE SURE IS OUTA HERE MAYBE SHE�LL STAY THERE

THATS OUR LITTLE CHEERLEADER

FIGHTING TYRANNY WITH A TENNIS RACKET

RIGHT MUFFIN?}}

By Think Again Neo

March 19, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

Resilient Iraqis ask what civil war?

Iraqis: life is getting better

By Walt

March 19, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

Brian Sends:

“Paul: You�re incorrect in your interpretation of how constitutional rights apply.

Strictly speaking, they don�t apply to ANY people� rather, they apply restrictions to what the U.S. government is allowed to do.”

Well, there is some validity to that. But the Bill of Rights -does- require a speedy and public trial.

That is something the government -must- do, not something it may not do.

The BOR was added after the Constitution was finished because the states wouldn’t ratify without it.

When Bush denied a speedy and public trial to US citizens like Padilla and Hamdi, he should have been immediately impeached.

Walt

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

More bald faced liberal hypocrisy:

The Gore mines were no small operations. In 2002, the year before they shut down, they ranked 22nd among all metal-mining operations in the U.S., with total toxic releases of 4.1 million pounds. A new mine operator, Strategic Resource Acquisition, is planning to reopen the mines later this year. The Tennessean reports that just last week, Mr. Gore wrote SRA asking it to work with a national environmental group as it makes its plans. He noted that under the previous operator, the mines had, according to the environmental website Scorecard, “pollution releases from the mine in 2002 [that] placed it among the ‘dirtiest/worst facilities’ in the U.S.” Mr. Gore requested that SRA “engage with us in a process to ensure that the mine becomes a global example of environmental best practices.” The Tennessean dryly notes that Mr. Gore wrote the letter the week after the paper posed a series of questions to him about his involvement with the zinc mines.

Real nice, the guy makes millions bitc-hing about pollution and then makes more millions polluting.

Typical pinko.

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By getalife

March 19, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

This just in “knuckleball” aka KSM claims he is John Belushi and wants to be free to perform on SNL.

Geez.

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

I have compassion for the family of my friend who were killed on 9/11 on the plane that went into the Pentagon, to the 3 classmates of my nephew whose parents were killed at the WTC, to my brothers-in-law whose childhood friend was Jeremy Glick; to my father-in-law whose dear friend worked at the World Trade Center, and for every other victim on 9/11 and all prior acts of terror perpetrated by these agents of “The Relgion of Peace”.

I have no compassion for mass murdering Islamofascist scum. I certainly have no intention of enabling them to perform more horrific acts in the future.

By getalife

March 19, 2007 11:23 AM | Link to this

w will spew about sacrifice today.

More of the same, go shopping.

Geez.

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

I forgot to mention that I am out of here - entirely on my own volition.

Later maybe….

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

Make that ‘the family of my friend who WAS killed’…

By getalife

March 19, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

This just in �knuckleball� aka KSM claims he caused global warming.

Seriously folks, with Andy’s credibility problem (being wrong on everything) it is a safe bet that global warming is real and a threat.

Everything they spew, the complete opposite is the truth.

By Blackadder

March 19, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Two weeks ago on Meet the Press:

RUSSERT: But many Americans will say that those who supported the war are saying, �Trust us, see this through,� the same people who said, �There are weapons of mass destruction. General Shinseki�s wrong, we don�t need hundreds of thousands of troops. We will be greeted as liberators.�

SEN. LINDSAY GRAHAM: Mm-hmm.

RUSSERT: �The cost of the war,� according to Lawrence Lindsey, �won�t be more than $200 billion.� �There won�t be any sectarian violence.� All those judgments were wrong. Why should the American people continue to believe in those same people who had so many misjudgments leading up and executing the war?

The answer, of course, is we shouldn’t.

By IN THE NEWS

March 19, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

DID THAT LIAR BYE BYE DANISH CRAWL OUTA HERE ON HER SCALY BELLY

LIKE THE SNAKE SHE IS

FIGHTING TYRANNY THRU TENNIS….

LET”S SEE WHEN DID SHE MENTION TENNIS RECENTLY

COULD IT HAVE BEEN HERE?

By Buy Danish

March 2, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

rushncap,

I�m running out to tennis, so I won�t be available to help your poor mother with her housekeeping.

CRIPES< SHES SOME PIECE OF WORK

IF BUY DANISH POSTS IT, IT PROBABLY JUST AINT TRUE.

SCORE

IN THE NEWS 2 (under oath, tennis)

BYE BYE DANISH ZIP ZERO ZILCH

By buff

March 19, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

Hey RW you still around

By Walt

March 19, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

Black Adder:

“Why should the American people continue to believe in those same people who had so many misjudgments leading up and executing the war?

The answer, of course, is we shouldn�t.”

That what makes Bush supporters certifiably stupid and heartless.

They want to leave our troops under the control of criminal incompetents.

This is the exact type of situation for which the Framers added impeachment to the Constitution.

Walt

By Rob Tornoe

March 19, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

I was hoping to see your take on Karl Rove’s impending doom.

http://tornoe.blogspot.com/2007/03/rove-is-finally-being-dragged-down.html

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

Let’s see here, according to the candy a-sses, Mark Foley, a homosexual with a thing for seventeen year olds, was a horrible man because he legislated against gay marriage.

But then the very same candy a-ss tells you that Saint Al Gore can pollute and spew toxic filth because he’s against polluters.

I’m not kidding.

Indict Plame Now!

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By Rob Tornoe

March 19, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

I was hoping to see your take on Karl Rove’s impending doom.

http://tornoe.blogspot.com/2007/03/rove-is-finally-being-dragged-down.html

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

{{By Walt March 19, 2007 11:51 AM �Why should the American people continue to believe in those same people who had so many misjudgments leading up and executing the war?}}

What a wanker^^:

Battle of the Bulge: Intelligence Lessons for Today. … who calls the Battle of the Bulge “the most abysmal failure of battlefield intelligence …than {{{{{76000 U.S. soldiers killed, wounded or missing}}}}}} in action during the Battle of the Bulge

A true candy a-ss.

Al Qaeda listens to strokers like y’all and they just know that they are winning.

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By Blackadder

March 19, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Walt - you are spot on as usual!

By Blackadder

March 19, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

Rob Tornoe - Another great ‘toon. Thanks for sharing. I have your blog bookmarked.

By Goldie

March 19, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

Dream on, Dull. The next indictments should be for Rover or Darth Vader…

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

IN THE NEWS,

Yes, you are correct. I’d forgotten about that. You comment was at Wooten’s, while mine was at Luckovich’s.

Now perhaps you can tell me why it matters to you, and why you call me “Muffin”.

Quite cheeky for a newbie.

By Lord Doom

March 19, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

B*tch danish,

The reason IN THE NEWS called you a muffin is because your comments are as flaky and easily crumbled as a muffin.

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Doomster,

Did I ask you or are you IN THE NEWS too?

By Lord Doom

March 19, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

B*tch Danish,

Doom is just shocked to see you today, knowing that I’ll be here and Magneto may show up soon.

By Goldie

March 19, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Here’s my story. Almost four years ago, I went to Iraq believing that this was a war of necessity.

By Blackadder

March 19, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

This is a mighty interesting concept: Unity08

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

But these counter-demonstrators were different. They were combat veterans who still bristle at the memory of being jeered by these kinds of radicals when they returned from Vietnam. The marchers seemed not only nervous, but even ashamed — to prove their patriotism to the vets, they began chanting �U.S.A.! U.S.A.!� This was probably the first time that chant has ever been heard at an antiwar rally.

Look at the candy a-ss liberals, the first sign of trouble they cut and run from their hate America beliefs and start chanting “U.S.A.”

Cowards.

Unbelievable Suck As-ses, that’s what they were chanting, an ode to themselves.

Indict Plame Now!

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By Walt

March 19, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

“By Blackadder

March 19, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Walt - you are spot on as usual!”

Well, there was a time when I was not.

I was all for an attack on Iraq.

Saddam laughed about 9/11. “Let’s do him,” I thought.

But I THOUGHT that they knew what they were doing.

Now, I don’t think they even care.

As long as Iraq stays in a roil, it helps Israel — and as long as we HAVE TROOPS IN IRAQ THEY CAN THUMB THEIR NOSE AT THE CONGRESS.

Yes, boys and girls, the drip drip of KIA soldiers doesn’t bother them, and it doesn’t bother their “base” either - it is not as bad as WWII, don’t you know. Why, Baghdad is as safe as Los Angeles!

-My- problem with Bush is not that he is killing (some at least) Al Qaeda, he is totally inept in doing it.

Further, Bushbots are satisfied that 9/11 remains unavenged and I am most certainly not.

Walt

By Truthsayer

March 19, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

All of you knee-jerks out there - please just answer, truthfully, this one question: How do you propose that we avenge the 9/11 attacks and those that preceeded it and ensure that these kinds of attacks do not happen again?

By Walt

March 19, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

“Battle of the Bulge: Intelligence Lessons for Today. � who calls the Battle of the Bulge �the most abysmal failure of battlefield intelligence �than {{{{{76000 U.S. soldiers killed, wounded or missing}}}}}} in action during the Battle of the Bulge”

Only a moron would fail to see that the BoB was preceeded by operations in North Africa, Sicily, a massive Air campaign to clear out the Luftwaffe and a huge invasion of the continent, not to mention many successes in the Pacific and a gigantic industrial and military mobilization.

The BoB didn’t spring Athena-like from the brow of Zeus.

Bush hasn’t done -anything right.

Walt

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

Your motley crew of anarchists, hippies and liberals is like a little gift that keeps on giving. The way you scream and rail and flounder with the enthusiasm and energy of an overtired two year old who is, under stimulated and facing the reality of a lost pacifier, is almost infectious. But please don�t get discouraged my sweet little anarchist, I bet if you keep spitting and shrieking and railing at them the way you have at me and my Vietnam veteran friends, I bet they�ll come to find a special kind of love for you too.

Indict Plame Now!

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By getalife

March 19, 2007 12:48 PM | Link to this

As we enter our fifth year of the Iraq disaster, lets take a look back

Andy has a credibility problem!

By Paul

March 19, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Brian Curtis 10:58 (and anyone else)

You’re going all over the map there. Your “Bush chooses to invent” phrase leads me to think you’re approaching this in a partisan manner - and to me that questions credibility.

My comments were restricted to the US. True, when dealing with illegals there are guidelines - but we also afford them the same Constitutional protections (unreasonable search and seizure) as are afforded to US citizens. The status (whether or not they should be afforded constitutional rights) of foreign nationals, nonstate sponsored, operating here as terrorists still hasn’t been sorted out. I do not buy a guy named Mohammed who’s been tracked here from Saudi Arabia via Iran with contacts by known terrorists arrives with Sarin or Tabun and instructions to disseminate is in the same category as a day laborer from Honduras. This country needs to sort out how to deal with Mohammed - arrest him and read him his rights, get him a lawyer, not enter his apartment until a judge says it’s okay? Or have other procedures more applicable to battling an enemy who does not follow the rules of armed conflict (In WWII such a person would have been tried by a tribunal and executed).

To assert Constitutional “rights apply anywhere the U.S. government operates and exerts any level of influence whatsoever” is a nice bit of classroom theory - we “exert influence” everywhere over the globe - I don’t understand if your point is everyone we “influence” is to be granted Constitutional protections every time we come in contact with them? The application of that is US forces in a foreign country doing a sweep for insurgents would need a warrant before entering any private dwelling?

By Lord Doom

March 19, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

You people ought to get a load of the homo whining that’s going on over at Wooten’s.

By Truthsayer

March 19, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Walt - We trounced Saddam and his army in only three weeks. I would say that was a great success. We also had a desastrous landing in North Africa in 1942, the Italian campaign was one of the most mismanaged and poorly executed campaigns of World War II. The first few days of D-Day were touch and go and we had terrible friendly fire casualties. I’m not even mentioning all of the screw ups in the Pacific Theatre of Operations, but there were too many, not the least of which was the British loss of Singapore and the French disaster in Indo-China. Again, you need to take a few history courses or at least read a few books before you start spouting “facts”.

By getalife

March 19, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Oops, busted

Andy has a major credibility problem!

By Paul

March 19, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

Lord Doom

Just what is “Wooten’s” and where is it?

By Walt

March 19, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

“By Truthsayer

March 19, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

All of you knee-jerks out there - please just answer, truthfully, this one question: How do you propose that we avenge the 9/11 attacks and those that preceeded it and ensure that these kinds of attacks do not happen again?”

We have to prove to the world that we are sincerely sorry for turning Bush and Cheney loose on them.

We have to show that we do have -values- worth having.

The best way to do that is by impeachment and turning Bush and Cheney over to the Hague for trial as war criminals — which they clearly are.

We -must- get the nations of the world back on our side so we can get their police and intelligence services to help us.

Remember last June when we FINALLY got a 2,000 lb bomb on the right target — Al Zharhiri?

The info for that strike came from the Jordanians. And they gave it up because he backed an attack in Jordan that killed a lot of people.

We -need- that kind of cooperation.

-Then- we have to break up the camps in Afganistan and Pakistan and incent the Pakistanis to help us.

Not dropping GPS guided bombs on their wedding parties is a policy we want to give a look to.

Our guys patrolling around in Badgdad can’t possibly bring us anything favorable. It just can’t.

That means redeploying out of Iraq.

That is not cutting and running; we accomplished our mission there.

Right now — the Bush Administration is not giving much more effort to stopping al Qaeda than they were prior to 9/11. And that was none at all.

Walt

By Lord Doom

March 19, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

If Doom ever learns how to bring in these links you guys keep posting from other sources, he will be totally unstoppable! Is there anyone here who would like to help the power of Doom?

By Lord Doom

March 19, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Just go to the opinion section where you found this blog and his name is there. At the top you should see Mike Luckovich, Cynthia Tucker, and then Jim Wooten.

By Paul

March 19, 2007 1:03 PM | Link to this

Lord Doom

Thank you.

By Social Moops

March 19, 2007 1:04 PM | Link to this

You cant believe a word this terrorist says about what he was involved in, whether it’s 911 or betting on baseball.

You cant believe bush either.

W lies? Exceeds conservative predictions. The tenets of power instructs that you should only reveal what is necessary, but W is ridiculous.

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

Tightening the noose:

In response to an inquiry from National Review Online Friday, Sen. Bond disputed Mrs. Wilson�s memory. �We have�checked the memorandum written by Ms. Wilson suggesting her husband to look into the Niger reporting,� Bond said in a statement. �I�stand by the Committee�s finding that this memorandum indicates Ms. Wilson did suggest her husband for a Niger inquiry. Because the quote [the portion of the memo quoted in the Senate report] obviously does not represent the entirety of the memorandum, I suggest that the House Government Reform Committee request and examine this memorandum themselves. I am confident that they will come to the same conclusion as our bipartisan membership did.�

And then indict that bit-ch.

She wanted to run with the big dogs.

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By Walt

March 19, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

Truthsayer sends:

“Walt - We trounced Saddam and his army in only three weeks. I would say that was a great success.”

But it was not because it was totally unnecessary.

Iraq was no threat to us and Al Qaeda operatives -were-no-more-welcome-there-than-they-are-here.

How many KIA did we take in the first 3 weeks? 100, 200?

They died for nothing because now Iraq -is- a terrorist haven when it was not before. And the attack was behavior that OBL —-PREDICTED— we would do. A lot of Muslims who might have been on the fence are now recruited or recruitable for al Qaeda.

I am glad I didn’t have a loved one who died for that.

Walt

By Magneto

March 19, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

Lord Doom,

Dammit! You scared Bi Danish off before I could get to her. Save some for me next time. Ha!Ha!Ha!Ha!

By Blackadder

March 19, 2007 1:14 PM | Link to this

Truthsayer - for starters we need to get out of Iraq and put all our resources into finding those who ACTUALLY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH 9/11.

Had we not invaded Iraq we would have had bin Laden by now.

By Lord Doom

March 19, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

Blacka**er,

If we hadn’t invaded Iraq, Bin Laden would have attacked us again by now.

Magneto,

Soory about that.

By Lord Doom

March 19, 2007 1:25 PM | Link to this

Uh, that’s sorry, not soory.

By Truthsayer

March 19, 2007 1:29 PM | Link to this

You folks still are not giving me an answer. You insist on treating it like a criminal matter, not a matter of war and national security. If we got Bin Laden and they stepped things up, you would complain that we should have left him alone because we only made them angrier. Tell me how we get these guys and prevent these attacks in the future.

You don’t have an answer because as the President told us early on it will be long and bloody and we are fighting a very different enemy from the ones we have had in the past.

By Blackadder

March 19, 2007 1:31 PM | Link to this

The answer is valid. Just because you don’t accept it or it goes against what chimpy said is irrelevant.

By Blackadder

March 19, 2007 1:33 PM | Link to this

“we are fighting a very different enemy from the ones we have had in the past.” -Truthsayer

For once you are correct but not in the way you thought. The enemy we are fighting now never was a threat to the US and never would have been. We are just in their way as they’re trying to gain a foothold in the power structure of their country.

By Magneto

March 19, 2007 1:35 PM | Link to this

Where oh where has my little Bi Danish gone? Where oh where can she be? I bet she would straigten this mess out doggone it!!

Probably deciding on what her next Id will be. How about ??

By Blackadder

March 19, 2007 1:36 PM | Link to this

“If we got Bin Laden and they stepped things up, you would complain that we should have left him alone because we only made them angrier.”-Truthsayer

No - if we got bin Laden and they stepped things up we would have the resources to continue breaking them down. As it is now we don’t even have enough resources to control Iraq. It’s not going so well in case you haven’t noticed -or- you watch FOX News.

By IN THE NEWS

March 19, 2007 1:37 PM | Link to this

GOT GONZO?

From this morning’s press gaggle with Tony Snow.

Q: Does the White House feel, at this point, that it knows everything it needs to know about Gonzales to decide whether he should remain in office? Or are you still fact-gathering?

SNOW: The president’s said he’s got confidence in Al Gonzales. This is not fact-gathering on whether to allow him to maintain his employment. We hope he stays.

By regulator

March 19, 2007 1:39 PM | Link to this

Geez, Quoting the National Review as documentation. What a freaking idiot.

By Lord Doom

March 19, 2007 1:46 PM | Link to this

This whole Gonzales affair is nothing more than the media riding the tide of anti-Bushism. Its really not that big of a deal when you really think about it.

What president, including Clinton if Doom is not mistaken, wouldn’t want his staff on the same page with him?

By The Peoples for a Nuked' Amerika' Century~!

March 19, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

-=-

Goood Morning Viet Iraq’ ——

Well let’s see - KSM has confessed to so many crimes. But without legal council? So now we have a dillema!

1) is KSM considered a POW?

2) is there physical evidence he actually did these deed?

3) was his confession co-erced?

4) is he going to get a fair trial?

5) will he get real legal council and defense or will the trial be a sham?

Looks like the United States will now be famous for it’s secret torture camps, and Monkey Courts from now on. At least that’s what the Right Wingers want.

Just ask Bill O’ Reilly how “Justice” should be metted out in the future in Good Ol’ Freedom Loving Amerika’…

Trial and Conviction without Evidence or Proof of a crime!

http://www.newshounds.us/2007/03/17/oreillysaysdefenseofksminopencourtwouldjustbeattackon_bush.php

Personally I would go for that International War-Crimes court thing for the detainee’s —— Cause they’s gonna be Rail-Roaded in Amerika’…

Thomas/PNAC

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 1:51 PM | Link to this

{{By regulator March 19, 2007 1:39 PM Geez, Quoting the National Review as documentation. What a freaking idiot.}}

It was a quote from Senator Bond reported by the National Review, you candy as-s dullard.

I would love to quote from the pinko press about the serious and law breaking inconsistencies in Ms. Plame’s testimony but it seems as though they are a bunch of slobbering partisan hacks who plan on ignoring the crime.

Gosh, I wonder why?

Are they tired from crawling in Scooter Libby’s as-s for the past 3 years over something even less then what secret agent did?

Go fondle yourself, whackjob.

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By Walt

March 19, 2007 2:06 PM | Link to this

“By Lord Doom

March 19, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

Blacka**er,

If we hadn�t invaded Iraq, Bin Laden would have attacked us again by now.”

Why do you think that?

There is certainly no objective reason to think that.

The bulk of our effort has gone to depose Saddam, who didn’t attack us, and as for OBL, who -did- attack us, we have done little.

And nothing that has happened in Iraq would have stopped the 9/11 plot as it unfolded.

Walt

By Paul

March 19, 2007 2:09 PM | Link to this

Peoples for a Nuked

That’s the difficult in going to a site that gives an interpretation (with an agenda) of events rather than to the source material.

The exchange was good in that it illustrated the difference of opinion between those who believe terrorists are entitled to US criminal trials and those who don’t.

RE: BOR’s contention that many on the Left want such trials to “put the Bush Administration on trial” - I think that’s pretty self-evident.

In that same vein - Krauthammer had a good line last week regarding the investigation into the AG: given the Democrats’ sorry record in getting their legislative agenda advanced, he quipped “If you can’t legislate, investigate.”

By Walt

March 19, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

Paul quotes:

“he quipped �If you can�t legislate, investigate.�

That certainly worked with Nixon.

Walt

By The Peoples for a Nuked' Amerika' Century~!

March 19, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this

-=-

Some of the many confessions of KSM —

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17632493/

Next he will confess to writing and installing that evil song at Disney “It’s a Small World”… and subsidizing “Barney The Dinosaur”…

ahhhhhgggh — The Terror — The terror —-

Thomas/PNAC

By Midori

March 19, 2007 2:21 PM | Link to this

{{{{�he quipped �If you can�t legislate, investigate.�}}}}}

That sounds like the modus operandi of the GOP during the Clinton years.

At a tune to over $70 million.

for a f*cking blow job.

By Dubya

March 19, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this

Today our traitorous, deserter, drunken Leader tells us of good things happening in Iraq. That situation will be much better in “several months.” Just time emough for him to leave office and his myriad of messes behind him. Meanwhile Jeb is deeply involved in the New Orleans pump fiasco. Neil, the multi-felonious theif is locked away in his Houston closet. Nixon defined Barbara as the “greatest hater” (sic) he ever knew. Jeb’s daughter has in excess of 20 citations for DUI, etc. in TX and FL, is on probation for drug & alcohol abuse. Grandpa Bail-OUT-And-Slaughter-My-Crew Bush not to be forgotten. Factual family values. Love em all you neocon freaks. You patriots.

By Goldie

March 19, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

Chuck Leavell is one cool Georgian!

Leavell is among the first handful of landowners to donate land since the tax credit became available last year. Leavell also took the opportunity to lobby the state Legislature to restore the governor’s $50 million budget for land conservation. Committees have whittled the dollar amount down to $34 million. “What is clean air, clean water and abundant wildlife worth in the state of Georgia?” Leavell asked. “If I had my way, I’d double [the governor’s land conservation budget] to $100 million.

Thank God for liberals! If we had to depend on the neo-Conservatives, this Earth would be one big highway, runway and waste dump, all-in-one!

By Daniel

March 19, 2007 2:31 PM | Link to this

Andy is a cripple.

By Blackadder

March 19, 2007 2:32 PM | Link to this

Sure, Operation Iraqi Freedom is a catastrophe, but Operation Rewrite History is a resounding success!

Four years ago today:

THE PRESIDENT: My fellow citizens, at this hour, American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger.

Our nation enters this conflict reluctantly � yet, our purpose is sure. The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder. We will meet that threat now, with our Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard and Marines, so that we do not have to meet it later with armies of fire fighters and police and doctors on the streets of our cities�

May God bless our country and all who defend her.

Today:

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Four years ago today, coalition forces launched Operation Iraqi Freedom to remove Saddam Hussein from power. They did so to eliminate the threat his regime posed to the Middle East and to the world. Coalition forces carried out that mission with great courage and skill�

By Paul

March 19, 2007 2:33 PM | Link to this

Midori 2:21

It is a distraction from solving problems, then and now. You’d think they’d learn to emulate one another’s finer points.

By Goldie

March 19, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

I believe this is probably just Part 1 of the test — there’s so many more neo-Con lies told to America:

Are You Smarter Than A Neocon?

By Walt

March 19, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

Truth misnomer sends:

“You folks still are not giving me an answer. You insist on treating it like a criminal matter, not a matter of war and national security. If we got Bin Laden and they stepped things up, you would complain that we should have left him alone because we only made them angrier.”

Invading Iraq is what has incensed a lot of them.

That, and the casual tossing about of 2,000 lb bombs and CBU’s.

And you are -ignoring- what I said.

I want US ground troops and a robust logistic effort up in Waziristan.

We need to incent the Pakistanis that way. Bombing their civilians at random is probably not a good way to do that.

-And- I want a response across the whole spectrum.

Bush has not done that (as refusing to talk to Iran and Syria for 4 years shows).

That will be a big contributing factor when we do have a nuclear weapon detonated in this country.

I never go in the 5 Points MARTA station without thinking what a great terror target it is, especially for some sort of gas attack.

Walt

By Midori

March 19, 2007 2:43 PM | Link to this

I’m sorry, but try as I may, I have a tremendous problem equating investigating haircuts, a cat’s Xmas Card list etc. with investigating the lawless and reprehensible actions of this gaggle of crooks squatting in the White House.

By Blackadder

March 19, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

Goldie - Chuck Leavell is a great musician! Besides having played with The Allmans and The Stones his band Sea Level was one of the most under rated bands ever. I got to see them several times when I lived in Florida. Excellent shows.

It’s nice to see he is still being “excellent”.

By Daniel

March 19, 2007 2:50 PM | Link to this

A crook is a crook.

By Bob

March 19, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this

Wow. With all the filth, lies and tricks coming from the Bush family daily one can almost forget Silverado Neil. What an entire family of reprobates. They represent the Repugs in this country perfectly. No wonder the Repunks have nothing good to say. Ever. Just the usual goose-stepping hatred and jealousy and other dysfunctions.

By Paul

March 19, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

Goldie

Not a bad little test - but it took all those simplistic statements and treated them as absolutes - all true or all false. In that way, the test wasn’t much better than the simplistic statements.

For example, “1. Saddam threw the UN weapons inspectors out of Iraq.” Uh, no, but he did obstruct, which caused the Clinton and Bush administrations to interpret as the nearly-default worst-case scenario.

“Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US” is just a historical statement” Well, seems he did. And his organization has made plenty of statements about taking the fight to the Crusaders/Zionists, etc.

“The purpose of US foreign policy is regime change” Purpose? No. But “element of?” Yes, it was an element of Pres Clinton’s foreign policy re: Saddam.

“Fox News is news.” An opinion put forth as an either/or fact. First, lead with a definition of a “News” organization. Rather like saying “Hannity/Olbermann are newsmen.” (or commentators, or showmen).

Kaplan’s a smart guy but it sounds like he’s writing for a paycheck here -

By Daniel

March 19, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this

Paul: Are you the same Paul who posted here two years past?

By Brian Curtis

March 19, 2007 3:00 PM | Link to this

Paul: The point can be boiled down to this simple example: We’re not allowed to buy slaves, even in countries where slavery is legal.

Why? Because it’s OUR laws and constraints on government that matter. The status of noncitizens, “enemy combatant” or otherwise, within areas the U.S. government can affect or exert control, is very clear: they have constitutional rights that the government is bound to respect. That means they have the right to avoid unreasonable search & seizure, for example, even in their own countries, and even if their own government doesn’t recognize any such right.

We play by the rules we’ve set up for ourselves, wherever we go and no matter what others may do. Not that complex at all, really.

Truthseeker: If you’re looking for a guarantee that there will never be another terrorist attack, you’re not gonna get one. Such guarantees are impossible. Only the likelihood of an attack can be affected, and the precautions must be balanced against our ideals of freedom and privacy.

By Paul

March 19, 2007 3:01 PM | Link to this

Walt

“want US ground troops and a robust logistic effort up in Waziristan.”

You may want to rethink that. There’d be no greater way to inflame even more Moslems than to invade another Moslem country (Pakistan). I don’t think we’d get much international, let alone, Congressional, support. It would also likely lead to the overthow of Mushareff, with a possible coup by Islamists. Given the Pakistani nuclear cabability, that would truly be a nightmare scenario.

By Paul

March 19, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this

Daniel 2:59

No - I believe it’s been no longer than a year.

By Walt

March 19, 2007 3:10 PM | Link to this

You Bush supporters do -now- have an intellectual understanding that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, right?

Despite the claims of nuclear and other WMD, none was there.

Al Qaeda was not welcome there.

Mohammed Atta never met with Iraqi intel officials in Prague.

That being the case, what are we doing -now- in Iraq?

Walt

By The Peoples for a Nuked' Amerika' Century~!

March 19, 2007 3:11 PM | Link to this

-=-

Laters all —

And support Free Speech - “Bong Hits 4 Jesus!”

Bush wants the Courts to squash free speech! — I hope he doesn’t succeed!

Thomas/PNAC (The Keyboard Patriot)

By Daniel

March 19, 2007 3:12 PM | Link to this

Thank you. I took a year off. I thought either this is a different person or your namesake got real smart!

By Goldie

March 19, 2007 3:18 PM | Link to this

The result of W’s vision of “winning hearts and minds in Iraq” — this latest poll in Iraq by ABC, USA Today and the BBC:

In an equally dramatic reversal, majorities now give negative ratings to each of more than a dozen essential aspects of daily life � jobs, schools, power and fuel supply, medical care and many more. In late 2005, for instance, 54 percent said their power supply was inadequate or nonexistent; now that’s swelled to 88 percent. And in 2005 just 30 percent rated their economic situation negatively. Today that’s more than doubled, to 64 percent.

If Cheney & Rumsfeld had listened to the advisors saying that we needed a plan for securing Iraq after we invaded, we would probably have a very different result today.

INDICT CHENEY & RUMSFELD!

By Midori

March 19, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this

Bob,

check it out:

Franklin Delano Roosevelt showed how the power of good example could also be powerfully good politics. When he led the country to sacrifice in World War II, his children enlisted and his wife traveled to military bases to counsel and comfort the families of soldiers. Newsreels showed the president’s four sons fighting with the Marines in the Pacific, flying with the Army Air Forces in North Africa and landing with the Navy at Normandy.

The contrast between FDR’s good example during wartime and that of George W. Bush is stark and sad. The Bush family rallies to the political campaigns of its scions and spends months on the road raising money and shaking hands to put their men into public office.

The president tells us Iraq is a “noble” war, but his wife, his children and his nieces and nephews are not listening. None has enlisted in the armed services, and none seems to be paying attention to the sacrifices of military families. Until Jenna’s trip to Panama, the presidential daughters performed community service only when mandated by a court after they were cited for underage drinking. Since then they have surfaced in public during lavish presidential trips with their parents, bar-hopping outings in Georgetown and champagne-popping art openings in New York.

The presidential nieces and nephews also have missed the memo on setting a good public example. Ashley Bush � the youngest daughter of the president’s brother, Neil, and Neil’s ex-wife, Sharon � was presented to Manhattan society at the 52nd Annual International Debutantes Ball at the Waldorf Astoria. Her older sister, Lauren, a runway model, told London’s Evening Standard that she is a student ambassador for the United Nations World Food Program, but she would not lobby her uncle for U.S. funds. Her cousin, Billy Bush, chronicles the lives of celebrities on “Access Hollywood.”

“Uncle Bucky,” as William H.T. Bush is known within the family, is one presidential relative who has profited from the Iraq war. He recently sold all of his shares in Engineered Support Systems Inc. (ESSI), a St. Louis-based company that has flourished under the president’s no-bid policy for military contractors.

By Walt

March 19, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Paul quotes me:

�want US ground troops and a robust logistic effort up in Waziristan.�

And allows:

“You may want to rethink that. There�d be no greater way to inflame even more Moslems than to invade another Moslem country (Pakistan).”

That’s why torturing and abusing innocents and casting 2,000 lb bombs around pretty much at random (and seeming like horrible cowards in the bargain) is a -bad- idea.

OBL has been in these areas for 5 + years now.

Shouldn’t we have a policy that helps us get to him?

That’s where he -is-.

I want him dead, and you apparently do not.

Now — no mistake about it — Bush and Cheney have set us back decades in the fight on Muslim extremism. But we have to start somewhere.

Let’s just say that the US had not invaded Iraq, but had instead made a similarly massive commitment to helping the areas stricken by the Tsanami?

Would that have made us friends around the world instead of the glowering antipathy in almost every corner of the world as our enemies plan to strike us?

It is funny, but one reason that some people still support Bush when he is playing you like a fool is that, in your quaking boots, you feel like he is keeping you safe.

And he is doing no such thing.

OBL could not have picked a better “leader” for the USA than George Bush.

Walt

By Goldie

March 19, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

Blackadder @ 2:47, I agree— Sea Level was excellent! A great blend of Southern rock and jazz-fusion. I had their first album many years ago… probably should look for a CD sometime soon.

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

{{{By Walt March 19, 2007 3:10 PM Al Qaeda was not welcome there.}}}

Blah, blah, blah.

The Iraqi authorities were caught on air trying to mislead U.N inspectors (nothing new there), and the presence in Iraq of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a very dangerous al-Qaida refugee from newly liberated Afghanistan, was established. The full significance of this was only to become evident later on.

Maybe Walt might have some evidence to the contrary?

Yeah, right.

Indict Plame Now!

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By Paul

March 19, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

Brian Curtis 3:00

I’ll still disagree. It’s one thing to proclaim ideals, it’s quite another to interact with all people, throughout the world, in all situations, as if they were US citizens. The slavery example - we’ve signed international agreements, plus we’ve put out the “Human Rights” line. Noncombatants can be ordered out of their homes by US military in time of war. That could never happen in the US. Curfews can be imposed. Rallies can be suppressed.

Of course, the flip side to all this is to say other countries should interact with the US according to their laws. So if a visiting businessman brings his wives and kids over and she mouths off and he beats her - or his daughter has sex with a local guy - or he wants to enforce his customs on female circumcision on his daughter - well, those are his country’s laws. Or simpler, he’s going to set up an auto assembly plant. That means bribes - or if that doesn’t work - intimidation. What’s good for the goose -

By Dusty

March 19, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this

Paul,I also liked that line of Krauthammer’s regarding the Democrats vs the AG (and Bush of course): “If you can’t legislate, investigate.”

I think Dubya @ 2:29 and Bob @2:52 have added a new version somewhat along these lines: If you can’t legislate, incriminate… the family.

By Goldie

March 19, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

{{You Bush supporters do -now- have an intellectual understanding that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, right?}}

ROFL!!! You’re giving these extremists way too much credit for having “an intellectual understanding”… they don’t respond to any reality— they only respond to delusions.

By Walt

March 19, 2007 3:29 PM | Link to this

Paul Sends:

“You may want to rethink that. There�d be no greater way to inflame even more Moslems than to invade another Moslem country (Pakistan).�

I didn’t say that we should invade Pakistan. I said we needed to incent them to help us.

Pay attention.

Walt

By Paul

March 19, 2007 3:30 PM | Link to this

Walt 3:23

Setting up false choices and ascribing “you’re either with me or against me’ (the “you must not want OBL dead” comment) is no way to advance policy.

You want OBL dead. Me, too. You want to invade Pakistan. I don’t. You think the US lobs 2,000 pounders around indiscriminately? I don’t (bad intel or missed targets don’t equal evil intent - and - most are in the 500lb category).

The tsunami reference is just another play on the “guns vs butter” argument. US giving (national and private) still puts other countries to shame. And it does not make one whit of difference to the jihadists.

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

GoldieDull,

Uh, in your haste to praise Liberals you forgot to mention that it was a conservative Republican governor who pushed for these conservation easements in the first place. Thank God for Conservatives!:

{{{Gov. Sonny Perdue, who has championed easements as a way to keep land in private ownership while protecting landscapes, was on hand to accept the donation.}}}

Why didn’t Roy Barnes do this? Hmmmm??

If you Liberals weren’t so dead set on taxing dead people in the first place, then people who inherit large tracts of land wouldn’t be forced to sell to developers just to pay the I.R.S.

Liberals are polluters! Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

By Walt

March 19, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this

“y LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

{{{By Walt March 19, 2007 3:10 PM Al Qaeda was not welcome there.}}}

Blah, blah, blah.

The Iraqi authorities were caught on air trying to mislead U.N inspectors (nothing new there), and the presence in Iraq of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a very dangerous al-Qaida refugee from newly liberated Afghanistan, was established. The full significance of this was only to become evident later on.”

La dee Dah.

AND MOHAMMED ATTA WAS HERE!!!

So were 18 other Al Qaeda operatives.

So what?

Criminy! You are easy to fool.

Al Qaeda was -not- welcome in Iraq.

Iraq was a -police-state-. Saddam was a -control-freak-.

Cheney lied to you.

Bush lied to you.

Rice lied to you.

Jumping Jiminy Cricket — Steven Hadle was on “This Week” on ABC yesterday telling the SAME FREAKING LIES.

Walt

By Paul

March 19, 2007 3:37 PM | Link to this

Walt 3:29

I thought I was paying attention when you wrote:

[ want US ground troops and a robust logistic effort up in Waziristan.]

It was a standalone sentence. There’s no way the Pakistani government’s going to give us official sanction to send military ground forces into their country. So, the only way we’d get into Waziristan (part of Pakistan) would be to go on our own. That’s what I would call an invasion.

But, if you were just wishing things would be different, that the Pakistani government would say “come on in, have at it” - well, that wouldn’t be an invasion, but it’s not likely much of a realistic possibility, either.

By Goldie

March 19, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this

Midori— excellent link @ 3:19.

Especially re: Laura— “The first lady, so often lauded for her love of literacy, has not been seen in the reading rooms of veterans’ hospitals.”

We all know that their family has made no sacrifices for W’s “noble war”. Where exactly is Laura regarding anything which would benefit Americans, other than going around to talk shows and apologizing for her husband’s dumb mistakes?

By IN THE NEWS

March 19, 2007 3:41 PM | Link to this

THEY SAY

“IF YOU CAN’T LEGISLATE, INVESTIGATE”

WE SAY

“WE”VE ONLY HAD SUPBOENA POWER FOR THE LAST SIX WEEKS AND EVERY TREE WE’VE BARKED UP SO FAR HAS HAD A CAT IN IT. IMAGINE WHERE WE”LL BE IN SIX WEEKS”

ATTRIBUTED TO A SENIOR DEMOCRAT

By Dusty

March 19, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

And now Midori at 3:19 with another out-of-bounds post like other liberals: If you can’t legislate, incriminate…the family….of President Bush.

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

Walt: Proof?

Indict Plame Now!

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By BLT

March 19, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Marking the fourth anniversary of the Iraq war, President George W. Bush warned skeptical Americans on Monday that a swift troop withdrawal would have “devastating” consequences for U.S. security.

That settles it! I had thought that there might be something to the idea that immediate troop withdrawal would be a bad thing but here I have the ultimate authority…the Bushshit Litmus Test (BLT).

The ‘BLT’ is infallible, absolutely EVERYTHING that King George has claimed to be true has turned out to be the opposite. If his Majesty says ‘greet us as librerators’ you can bet your a$$ that they’ll be greetin us with IED’s out the wazoo. If his Highness says ‘mission accomplished’, you can be damn sure it ain’t so. If his Greatness says ‘war will pay for itself’, you know that it’s gonna be costing your kids and their kids trillions in debt, interest, and ultimate losses from spoilage of favored trading positions with developing markets. If his Divineness says ‘WMDs’, you can be absolutely sure that when you get there, all you’re gonna find is another big fat pile of Bushshit!

‘The Great Decider’ has decided for you that immediate troop withdrawal would be bad so we can have no damn doubt whatsoever that it would absolutely have to be one of the best things to ever happen for America. Future Presidents should keep the Chimperor around for strategic decision making- anytime they have a tough call, ask Chimpy what he thinks and then do the opposite.

The BLT indicates that we should bring ALL our troops home today. Get em outta there. Shut off all the funds. Qualify if Iraq even has immediate threat status that would allow Chimpy to maintain his war powers, and if not replace his war authority with responsible congressional oversight. King George has shown us the way once again if we can only remember how to read the message- swift troop withdrawal must be the best way to go, aferall!

By Walt

March 19, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

Paul sends:

“You want to invade Pakistan.”

I NEVER SAID THAT.

HELLO?

I -said- we need to -incent- Pakistan to help us.

I -said- (twice) we need to stop killing their civilians at random.

Please listen and read more caefully.

No wonder you buy Bush’s BS.

Walt

By Goldie

March 19, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this

To paraphrase LuckoDull:

Apologize to Plame NOW!

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 3:45 PM | Link to this

{{{Now � no mistake about it � Bush and Cheney have set us back decades in the fight on Muslim extremism. But we have to start somewhere.

Let�s just say that the US had not invaded Iraq, but had instead made a similarly massive commitment to helping the areas stricken by the Tsanami?

Would that have made us friends around the world instead of the glowering antipathy in almost every corner of the world as our enemies plan to strike us?}}}

Useful Idiot Walt,

ONE: We gave billions in the tsunami relief already. Quite a bit of that money ended up going to Indonesian terror groups. The same thing happens with feel good fund raisers like “Live Aid”. The tyrants and who are responsible for conditions that leave their populations starving pocket most of that money.

But since you are so convinced this is the answer - how much more money did you think we should have donated to get enough good will in your estimation? Give us a dollar figure, okey dokey?

TWO: How could Bush and Cheney set us back any further than we were on 9/11? You do realize that Bin Laden began issuing his Fatwas to destroy America when Clinton was President, do you not?

By Blackadder

March 19, 2007 3:46 PM | Link to this

Goldie - I checked Amazon for you but it seems their best price for a used copy of Sea Level’s 1st is a whopping $75.00. CD Universehas the Best Of Cd for $9.

Good stuff! But you already knew that :-)

By Daniel

March 19, 2007 3:47 PM | Link to this

Goldie:

No one, but our military families have sacrificed! War is deadly business. Few of the Bush crowd would support this war if they had to pay for it, right now. This is Bush deceit. Congress should put the price tag on the American people. Watch the war cronies evaporate. Cowards! One and all!

By IN THE NEWS

March 19, 2007 3:51 PM | Link to this

ON THE SENATE CALENDER THIS WEEK

On Tuesday, the committee will be investigating war profiteering, and focusing like a laser on the well-known instances of fraud and abuse in Iraq by companies like Halliburton.

Then, on Wednesday, they jump into more abuses by the Bush administration in the form of a hearing called “Misuse of Patriot Act Powers: The Inspector General’s Findings of Improper Use of the National Security Letters by the FBI.”

SCOOTER GATE

WALTER REED GATE

PROSECUTER GATE

AND THE HITS JUST KEEP ON COMING

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

Huh:

NYT: Backsliding at the (Clinton) White House; Justice Disrupted New York Times 26 March 1993 When Attorney General Janet Reno first announced the blanket dismissal of about 70 United States Attorneys who are Bush Administration holdovers, her aides said she might exempt those needed to wrap up significant investigations. But yesterday the White House, making clear once more that Ms. Reno is not fully in charge at the Justice Department, removed most of that fig leaf of an exception. President Clinton’s spokesman, George Stephanopoulos, said that some top prosecutors who are tied up in trials would be allowed to complete them, but most others would have to go. Their investigations would be continued by lower-ranking staff attorneys. Those booted out would include U.S. Attorney Jay Stephens of the District of Columbia, who, Mr. Stephanopoulos noted, “is not in the middle of a trial.” But Mr. Stephens is in the middle of an investigation of irregularities in the House of Representatives and a detailed financial auditing of one of the most powerful House Democrats, Dan Rostenkowski, chairman of Ways and Means.

No investigation?

No hysterics?

No foaming at the mouth partisan hacks?

Indict Valerie Now!

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By IN THE NEWS

March 19, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

THERES LOTS OF CATS IN THEM THERE TREES

By Daniel

March 19, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this

BD: I know, I know. I will try to remember to make space.

By Will

March 19, 2007 3:56 PM | Link to this

I’ve got a great Republican idea. Let’s think of something childish, embarrassing and self-humiliating to the world. We’ll call it “Shock and Awe.” Then we’ll throw thousands of victory celebrations, just like last time. We can even call our defeat “Peace With Honor,” like Nixon. Thank God the surge has worked and our slaughter is over. God bless America!

By Paul

March 19, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

Walt 3:44

I thought I was pretty clear at 3:37 why I interpreted your “I want ground forces in Waziristan” as an invasion - as we’re not going to get permission from Pakistan, it’d be the only recourse.

As for “incentivizing” them - you may want to check on the billions we’ve given Pakistan over the years in aid, military equipment, etc. If we “incentivize” them with any more stuff the country will sink a foot - or the Swiss bank accounts will have to do a massive recalc.

I know you’ve twice said we need to stop killing their civilians at random. I’ve no idea what that means - you write as if an F-16 driver launches at night, says “I’ll just fly around a while” then says “ooh, lights, I think I’ll drop a bomb.” Or a squad goes into an area and begins shooting anything that moves.

I gather the reference to believing/buying/agreeing with Pres Bush in your posts (especially when it has nothing to do with the discussion) is an obligatory tag line for partisan posters?

By Midori

March 19, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

go crawl back into your opium den.

By Walt

March 19, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

Paul Quotes Me:

“I want US ground troops and a robust logistic effort up in Waziristan.”

You forgot this part>>>>

“We need to incent the Pakistanis that way. Bombing their civilians at random is probably not a good way to do that.”

We need to sweet talk or buy off the Pakistanis.

Of course we have backed up decades in our relationship with them and just about everyone else too.

Exchanging notes with morons seems pretty futile.

Walt

By Walt

March 19, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

“By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 3:42 PM | Link to this

Walt: Proof?

Indict Plame Now!”

Idiotic.

Walt

By Paul

March 19, 2007 4:02 PM | Link to this

In the News 3:51

Maybe they could just ask Justice to appoint a few more special prosecutors and get on with the legislating?

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 4:03 PM | Link to this

PARROT!,

From your LA Times link

“Since then they have surfaced in public during lavish presidential trips with their parents, bar-hopping outings in Georgetown and champagne-popping art openings in New York.”

How shocking! Like Chelsea Clinton doesn’t go to “champagne-popping” events.

Did you know that Rocker Chrissie Hynde’s daughter is a debutante?

Yasmin Kerr was escorted by Louis Delafon. She is the child of rock royalty. Her father Jim Kerr is the lead singer of the group �Simple Minds� and her mother Chrissie Hynde is a member of the �Pretenders�. Yasmin wants to be an actress. Her dramatic evening gown was by Vivienne Westwood.

She sold out to the “establishment”! Ha Ha Ha.

By Midori

March 19, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

Republicans and U.S. attorneys — then and now

The fundamental difference between (a) a new administration replacing all U.S. attorneys (as multiple Presidents have done — including Clinton, Reagan and even Bush 41) and (b) cherry-picking ones for firing in the middle of an administration, has been amply documented. Alberto Gonzales’ own Chief of Staff recognized the unprecedented nature of what they were planning in an email he wrote to the White House.

Nonetheless, Republicans sought in 1993 to depict the routine and standard replacement of U.S. attorneys by the Clinton administration as some sort of grave scandal which threatened prosecutorial independence and was deeply corrupt. Yet now, people like The Wall St. Journal’s Paul Gigot — one of the most vocal critics of the 1993 U.S. attorneys replacement — insist that the President has the absolute right to fire any U.S. attorneys at any time and for any reason. On the WSJ weekend Fox show, Gigot offered what has become the standard defense of Bush followers:

U.S. attorneys are political appointees. They’re prosecutors appointed by the president, who serve at his pleasure. So presumably the president can dismiss them. What did the administration do wrong in this case?

The idea that Presidents have an unfettered right to fire U.S. attorneys at any time and for any reason is the precise opposite of what Republicans were arguing in 1993 — when Bill Clinton simply replaced all U.S. attorneys at the start of his administration, rather than singling out prosecutors for termination in the middle of his term.

By Midori

March 19, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

I see Hag Danish has shown up to once again dazzle us with her ignorance, overall stupidity and more name calling.

Go jump in a lake, dumb witch.

Grownups are trying to have a rational discussion here — something that you know absolutely NOTHING about.

By Paul

March 19, 2007 4:08 PM | Link to this

Walt

If I was like some of the posters, I’d point out “incentivizing” leaders to assist us is akin to bribing them, and as that’s unconstitutional, we shouldn’t do that.

You’re degenerating to the namecalling again. So, please avoid that and please tell me - just how on earth do we “incentivize” a country to allow us to take a course of action that will likely lead to riots and the leadership’s loss of power? (Just look what’s been going on over there when Musharaff “fired” a judge the Islamists were fond of).

“Sweet talk” the Pakistanis sounds so condescending.

By Walt

March 19, 2007 4:09 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish:

“Useful Idiot Walt,

ONE: We gave billions in the tsunami relief already. Quite a bit of that money ended up going to Indonesian terror groups. The same thing happens with feel good fund raisers like �Live Aid�. The tyrants and who are responsible for conditions that leave their populations starving pocket most of that money.”

Source those statements.

Walt

By Midori

March 19, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this

Typical Buy Danish post:

“I’m a clueless, demented twit who tries to B.S. my way thru a conversation by calling people names and equating them with animals.

I do this because I am hugely into beastiality, as no human man would have me. Goats, parrots, snakes, whatever. I’m an equal opportunity demented hag.”

One question for you Hag - How the heck do you copulate with a snake?

I feel sorry for the poor snake.

By Daniel

March 19, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

Midori: A further distinction is that Carol Lamm in San Diego was investigating a number of corruption cases against republicans, namely Jerry Lewis. If her ouster was linked to that investigation then it’s: Obstruction of Justice, a crime under federal law! So too was the ouster of Iglesias in New Mexico linked to crimes. Domenici is so scared he’s hired Duke Cunningham’s old attorney. He and Heather Wilson may have Obstructed Justice when they tried to pressure Iglesias to prosecute coouple of democrats out west.

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

Who’d a thunk it? Neil Young’s son Mark is dating the debutante granddaughter of Steve McQueen.

Molly Flattery, the pretty, blonde 18-year-old granddaughter of Steve McQueen, in a backless green Dior dress that according to her adoring grandmother cost more than �10,000 and took 600 hours to make, chats to her boyfriend Greg Young, the son of the Canadian rock star Neil Young;

Nothing like a little money in the bank to compel a granola child to leave one’s hippie dippie roots behind.

By Midori

March 19, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

HA!!!

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Hag Danish has the nerve to call someone a “useful idiot”.

Well - she knows all too well about being a useless idiot.

Give the Hag an A for Effort.

By Paul

March 19, 2007 4:17 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish

If I may jump in - here’s a CATO Institute report on the effects of foreign aid in Africa - and the reality of looting. Before one dismisses the “source” you may want to check the names of the authors - they ain’t Irish surnames.

Link:African Perspectives on Aid

By Midori

March 19, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

more info on Carol Lam:

Was Carol Lam Targeting The White House Prior To Her Firing?

Referring to the Bush administration�s purge of former San Diego-based U.S. attorney Carol Lam, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) questioned recently on the Senate floor whether she was let go because she was �about to investigate other people who were politically powerful.�

The media reports this morning that among Lam�s politically powerful targets were former CIA official Kyle �Dusty� Foggo and then-House Appropriations Committee Chairman Jerry Lewis (R-CA). But there is evidence to believe that the White House may also have been on Lam�s target list. Here are the connections:

� Washington D.C. defense contractor Mitchell Wade pled guilty last February to paying then-California Rep. Randy �Duke� Cunningham more than $1 million in bribes.

� Wade�s company MZM Inc. received its first federal contract from the White House. The contract, which ran from July 15 to August 15, 2002, stipulated that Wade be paid $140,000 to �provide office furniture and computers for Vice President Dick Cheney.�

� Two weeks later, on August 30, 2002, Wade purchased a yacht for $140,000 for Duke Cunningham. The boat�s name was later changed to the �Duke-Stir.� Said one party to the sale: �I knew then that somebody was going to go to jail for that�Duke looked at the boat, and Wade bought it � all in one day. Then they got on the boat and floated away.�

� According to Cunningham�s sentencing memorandum, the purchase price of the boat had been negotiated through a third-party earlier that summer, around the same time the White House contract was signed.

To recap, the White House awarded a one-month, $140,000 contract to an individual who never held a federal contract. Two weeks after he got paid, that same contractor used a cashier�s check for exactly that amount to buy a boat for a now-imprisoned congressman at a price that the congressman had pre-negotiated.

By Walt

March 19, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

Paul Sends:

“Walt 3:44

I thought I was pretty clear at 3:37 why I interpreted your �I want ground forces in Waziristan� as an invasion - as we�re not going to get permission from Pakistan, it�d be the only recourse.”

You give up too easily.

Any -moron- could tell that we couldn’t fight our way to Waziristan.

Had we been properly laying the groundwork for 5 years, we might been able to swing it.

Imagine you are a planner at the Pentagon after 9/11, or after Bush let OBL slip between our fingers at Tora Bora.

Since you have a laser like focus on getting OBL - you NIX aNYTHING that could jeopardize that — like invading the excreable but harmless Saddam Hussein’s Iraq.

You look for opportunities to build goodwill in that part of the world. You say, “Even though we took a big hit on 9/11, we are going to live up to everything good about the USA. OBL tells you that we are hateful and oppressive, but say differently.”

Then we prove it.

But that has all been —p** away—, and then some.

Walt

By Walt

March 19, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

BD Sends:

“How shocking! Like Chelsea Clinton doesn�t go to �champagne-popping� events.”

Chelsea’s daddy didn’t start a useless war.

Walt

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 4:22 PM | Link to this

PARROT!,

I always look enjoy seeing you lose it with your insane and fowl-mouthed antics. And to think - it’s only Monday! I can’t wait for Friday.

HA HA HA.

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Thanks - One of these days I’ll figure out how to copy and paste from a PDF document!

The person who needs to read it is Walt.

By Daniel

March 19, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

Midori:

Carol Lam's case shows they fired her to Obstruct Justice. Bush didn't want her going after Foggo and Lewis. Thank God for the democratic Congress! There's a chance justice will be done. Let's watch. The scandals are eclipsing one another. It's getting hard to keep track.

By Paul

March 19, 2007 4:36 PM | Link to this

Walt

Give up? No. Just a hard look at what I see as reality.

“Pentagon planners” generally don’t begin planning with a look back from where they are and documenting how it’d be different if only they’d done something else. That’s a waste of time (and is different from after-action reports, lessons learned or such doctrinal revisions as the latest Army analysis of Iraq).

Just can’t resist the “Bush let…” comments, can you?

“Pentagon planners” don’t “nix” anything - unless you’re the SecDef - his “nixing” is what’s causing so many of you so much angst. The military planners receive a mission/objective - then they plan how to achieve it and present it to the civilian authorities.

I think you’re putting too much faith in “goodwill.” Plenty’s been written about the sources of hatred - and “they didn’t give me enough stuff” isn’t one of them (works for home-grown us politics, though). Sources include, but are not limited to, cultural assaults (if you’re a society that covers women from head to toe and you’re overwhelmed with Internet porn, you’re not happy); threats to society (human rights and equal rights fundamentally threaten the status of the male political and theological hierarchy); feelings of powerlessness (even though the fault can be laid at the feet of one’s rulers for not making investments in education and infrastructure for the past 30 years); the “leapfrogging” sense of entitlement (Western cinema, magazines, tv shows show incalculable wealth even among those described a “poor” - and it’s still far more than what many can imagine).

So our “goodness” (women’s rights, freedom to guide one’s own life, disdain for authority, dissent) are, in reality, part of the problem.

By Paul

March 19, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish

You’re welcome. The pdf still has a web address - I treat it the same as linking to a web site - highlight the address in the browser window, right click, copy, then proceed with the linking.

By Goldie

March 19, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

Daniel @ 3:47

You’re right— and if Bush were to propose a “WAR TAX” on America, we’d certainly hear from the Neo-cons about how it’s time to end the war NOW!

By Goldie

March 19, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this

Will— I’m all for that! Ending this occupation calls for slogans galore. I also liked the slogan in the 70’s that went: “Impeachment With Honor”…

By Midori

March 19, 2007 4:43 PM | Link to this

HAG DANISH,

Don’t you have a farm animal to mount?

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Let’s do a Walt translation:

{{By Walt March 19, 2007 4:02 PM �By LuckoDull March 19, 2007 3:42 PM Walt: Proof? Indict Plame Now!� Idiotic. Walt}}

Which means “I have none.”

Indict Lying Blondie Now!

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By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Useful Idiot WALT,

Saddam Hussein had just a wee bit to do with it, and Congress vote for it.

Hillary claims she supports the war. Where’s Chelsea?

What about John Kerry’s daughter- you know the one who went to Cannes in the see-through dress? Why doesn’t she enlist?

Why didn’t the Kennedys and Johnson daughters enlist during Vietnam? Do you really want to play this childish game?

By Goldie

March 19, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Indict Cheney & Rumsfeld Now!

By Midori

March 19, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

It’s getting more and more interesting by the day.

And I just heard on CNN that the WH released a lot more emails today.

I’m scouring the web looking for them. If I find anything, I’ll post it.

By Walt

March 19, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

Paul Sends:

“Walt

Give up? No. Just a hard look at what I see as reality.

�Pentagon planners� generally don�t begin planning with a look back from where they are and documenting how it�d be different if only they�d done something else.”

I am talking about early 2002.

It is really hard to consider you a complete moron.

It’s not your job to take a hit for the team for posting ridiculous replies to my posts is it?

Walt

By Daniel

March 19, 2007 4:50 PM | Link to this

Midori:

That's the definition of a hypocrite! They want a war they won't pay for or fight in!

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 4:51 PM | Link to this

PARROT!,

By Midori

March 19, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

Walt,

do yourself a favor: ignore HAG DANISH.

She is obviously starved for human companionship - she can copulate with animals but she can’t talk to them.

Hence, she invades conversations on this blog with stupid, knee-jerk comparisons and twisted, idiotic non-points.

The HAG is best ignored. Maybe she’ll just go away.

By Midori

March 19, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

Backatcha, HAG!!!!

HAG!!!

HAG!!!!!!

HAG!!!

HAG!!!!!!

HAG!!!

HAG!!!!!!

See? I can do it too.

HAG!!!

HAG!!!!!!

HAG!!!

HAG!!!!!!

HAG!!!

HAG!!!!!!

HAG!!!

HAG!!!!!!

By Daniel

March 19, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

BD:

I don't think it a game. The founders said in defense of liberty: "To this we dedicate our lives our fortunes and our sacred honor" May we assume the president is right. Our nation is under seige from International Terrorism. Shouldn't we be mobilized? Shouldn't all of us be engaged in the struggle? Why should we borrow from the communists to pay for the war? Why should our children have to pay for our decisions? Where is the sacrifice? Where is our national honor? The inability to answer these questions tell you why we will fail in Iraq. The Bush fat America would rather a BigMac.

By Midori

March 19, 2007 4:58 PM | Link to this

{{{{It�s not your job to take a hit for the team for posting ridiculous replies to my posts is it?}}}}

Walt,

that’s HAG DANISH’s job.

By Paul

March 19, 2007 5:00 PM | Link to this

Walt

Possibly that’s part of the problem - us see this as “your team my team” - ironic it’s a play on Bush’s “you’re either with us or against us.”

Every time you make another “moron” comment, I don’t get offended, I just consider the source and think you’ve nothing relevant to add to the discussion - either proposal, explanation, defense, or new idea.

“Early 2002” - or any time - is irrelevant to what I described as the planning process under the conditions you enumerated.

Daniel - I don’t believe any generation has ever “paid” for any war. Ever. As far as fighting in - I’ve an ancestor who was granted citizenship because a “northerner/Yankee/preserve the Union/free the slaves” type paid him to take his place in the draft. It was a legal process and served as an avenue to citizenship for many.

By Paul

March 19, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

Walt

I must ask - what in my 4:36 struck you as so ridiculous? Multiple sources of animosity? Unintended consequences in spreading American “sweet talk?” Descriptions of cultural differences? Military planners not wasting time on a “if only we’d done this” or “how did we get here” regarding operational planning under short time constraints?

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

{{By regulator March 19, 2007 1:39 PM Geez, Quoting the National Review as documentation. What a freaking idiot.}}

I like this, the Atlanta Urinal printed a fake picture of an American Stryker that was “damaged,” giving aid and comfort to the enemy by manufacturing success for them, and this jerk off calls the National Review “not credible.”

I’ll take “not credible” over full blown treason any day of the week.

Indict The Large Butt Fake Blonde Now!

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By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 5:07 PM | Link to this

Parrot!,

I had a comment to go with that, but I hit the post button by mistake. In retrospect though, I kind of like the overwrought reaction it got out of you.

Here was the comment:

Since you hate being called a parrot so much, I take it you’re not a bird lover, with the exception of finches.

SMOOCH!

Daniel,

Do you ever stop whining, complaining and using tired cliche’s?

Believe me, I don’t need lectures from you on our Founding Fathers.

There is more to “mobilizing” than going to the front lines. You and your Useful Idiot friends are doing everything possible to discourage the “mobilization” of the American people against IslamoFascism.

No outrage over the deeds of KSM, not a peep about the confessions of Waleed Mohammed Bin Attash, but you sure do hate Bush.

Gotta run folks….

By Dusty

March 19, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

Well, what do you know!!There is actually a decent MIDORI in town. She is a Japanese-American violin virtuoso who is going to play with the Atlanta Symphony. She is going to produce lovely music instead of the salacious stuff played here by blogger Midori.

By Walt

March 19, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

BD:

“Useful Idiot WALT,

Saddam Hussein had just a wee bit to do with it, and Congress vote for it.”

Congress voting for it obviously doesn’t make it right.

And Saddam got hung because he played too enthusiastically to his internal audience and paid too little attention to his external audience.

His internal audience was the Generals, security officers, his cousins and others. From them he hid the extent of the nation’s WMD status.

There were none.

He didn’t come -clean- with the external audience. IF he had taken Ted Koppel around and shown him the different sites in the country, and told his people to cooperate with the UN inspectors, and had he just SAID that he had no WMD’s and that the Italian papers on the “16 words” were forgeries, he would have maybe turned away an invasion.

But, per “Cobra II” by General Trainor et al, he thought (for some delusional reason) that the US would be happy just with the Oil fields in the southern part of the country, leaving him the Oil around Kirkuk.

That was nuts.

Be he DID think that. So he stonewalled -everyone- on his NONEXISTENT WMD stockpiles.

And it cost him his life.

Walt

By Buy Danish

March 19, 2007 5:10 PM | Link to this

LuckoDull,

Before I go - that photo link keeps changing, but I still haven’t seen the one you cited this morning.

By Daniel

March 19, 2007 5:11 PM | Link to this

Ok, now answer the questions!!! Our nation is under seige!! There is an immediate threat from abroad! Why hasn’t the government called a Draft? Why are the rich getting tax breaks? TAX BREAKS when we are threatened! Why are corporations making huge profits when Americans are dying in combat? Why are all of us called to sacrifice? You cannot answer. Therefore, the mission will fail. It was bogus to begin with. It’s bogus today.

By Walt

March 19, 2007 5:12 PM | Link to this

LD:

{{By Walt March 19, 2007 4:02 PM �By LuckoDull March 19, 2007 3:42 PM Walt: Proof? Indict Plame Now!� Idiotic. Walt}}

Which means �I have none.�

Indict Lying Blondie Now!”

Meaning no one could possibly take you seriously.

That’s why I don’t generally respond to you at all.

I do hope you now feel sufficiently stroked.

Walt

By Midori

March 19, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

Dana Bash just reported on CNN that Congress is expecting a document dump late today, maybe as late as 7PM, and as many as 2,000 pages!!!!

so we won’t get to that conversation until tomorrow.

Unlike the vermin that invades this blog, I choose not to hack into the blog during off-hours.

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Danish: I just checked it and they pulled the link. It’s in today’s paper for posterity. Look at the tank that’s “burning” and then look at the building to the right front, which really is burning. The camera man stood behind the vehicle to make it look like it was burning.

The Army hasn’t reported any incidents like that yet.

It’s a fake.

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By Walt

March 19, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Paul Sends:

“If I was like some of the posters, I�d point out �incentivizing� leaders to assist us is akin to bribing them, and as that�s unconstitutional, we shouldn�t do that.”

It’s called diplomacy, Paul.

Walt

By Daniel

March 19, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

Midori: Interesting! Walt nailed that fascist freak show Andy! No, BD it’s not about hating Bush; it’s about loving freedom, justice and the American way. It’s about loving democracy. It’s about loving truth above George W. Bush. It’s about believing the truth is more important that canine like fealty to Bush.

By Paul

March 19, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

Walt

It was a tongue-in-cheek comment about the earlier assertions that we should interact with all people, everywhere, according to our Constitution, values, etc.

Diplomacy still strikes me as rather week if by “incentivizing” one means “give stuff.” I think one of the strongest ways to “incentivize” foreign leaders is to demonstrate how their interest line up with ours - a variation on the old “money and power” play. That, and determining ways to make their lives extremely uncomfortable. That’s not blackmail - that also is “diplomacy.”

By Daniel

March 19, 2007 5:32 PM | Link to this

Paul: Diplomacy is never weak! NEVER! It was Churchill who said: “It should be jaw, jaw jaw and not war! war! war!” He knew what he was talking about. Bush is the weakling. America negotiated with the Nazis in WWII, America negotiated with the USSR for forty five years in the Cold war. Once again, war without the effort. war without a price. The fat mans war!

By Paul

March 19, 2007 5:38 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

Oooo-kay. Putting Iraq off the table for a minute, diplomacy can work in some circumstances. But - big ‘but’ here (all you scatological types - pls do not type) - this “War on Terror” is different in many, many ways - and we’re still learning how to handle it. We could go down the list, but for this purpose, diplomacy is generally used as a peaceful means to obtain a national objective. We are dealing with an ideologically based enemy who has sworn our destruction, elements of whom have already declared war. So, it seems to me, diplomacy can best be used to garner support, or at least to force cooperation, with other countries - not as a means of cessasation of hostilities with the jihadists.

By Walt

March 19, 2007 5:39 PM | Link to this

Paul sends:

“Every time you make another �moron� comment, I don�t get offended, I just consider the source and think you�ve nothing relevant to add to the discussion - either proposal, explanation, defense, or new idea.”

I added a new idea.

I suggested we needed to use diplomacy to help deploy our military to get OBL up in Waziristan.

You, perhaps to create confusion or discredit me, said that I thought we should invade Pakistan.

Only a -moron- could get that from what I said.

Walt

By getalife

March 19, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

Anybody with an ounce of common sense can see this war is a mistake.

Just impeach the idiot decider who decided to start this disaster.

Its not rocket science people.

Geez.

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 5:46 PM | Link to this

{{GruppenFuhrer Daniel March 19, 2007 5:22 PM Midori: Interesting! Walt nailed that fascist freak show Andy!}}

Man, the only thing you better be “nailing” is your nightly dosage of Geritol.

You got a big day of whining like a candy as-s baby tomorrow, gramps.

Sieg Heil!

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By Daniel

March 19, 2007 5:49 PM | Link to this

Paul: Terror is no different than any other wars throughout history. In fact, weren’t we the “terrorists” in the Revolutionary War. I mean “Terror” from the Tory point of view. Bush has realized at least some of his mistakes. We are talking with Syria and Iran. He deserves credit for this. We should be talking with all the others. The “Terror” rhetoric is political. It keeps us on edge. My greatest fear is a “staged event” by the fascist right in this country.

By Paul

March 19, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

Okay, Walt, diplomacy’s a new idea. For today. Regarding killing OBL. I still don’t see us getting clearance for the type of conventional-forces effort it would take. Way too big. Most people on this blog are adamantly opposed to covert ops - too rough, violates rights, not enough AJC front-page exposure. So, it strikes me as not in the realm of current probability. Without knowing any “incentives” that would cause Mushareff to outweigh the invitation of a coup.

Perhaps a “moron” would get “that” from what you said as the concept wasn’t developed adequately?

By Walt

March 19, 2007 5:51 PM | Link to this

“By Paul

March 19, 2007 5:25 PM | Link to this

Walt

It was a tongue-in-cheek comment about the earlier assertions that we should interact with all people, everywhere, according to our Constitution, values, etc.”

Given your track record, I would stick to nice short declarative sentences.

And Paul - you are an idiot for supporting Bush.

You are an idiot for ever supporting him.

Walt

By Walt

March 19, 2007 5:58 PM | Link to this

Paul Sends:

“Okay, Walt, diplomacy�s a new idea. For today. Regarding killing OBL. I still don�t see us getting clearance for the type of conventional-forces effort it would take. Way too big. Most people on this blog are adamantly opposed to covert ops - too rough, violates rights, not enough AJC front-page exposure. So, it strikes me as not in the realm of current probability. Without knowing any �incentives� that would cause Mushareff to outweigh the invitation of a coup.”

You are obviously defeatist and unpatriotic simply for disagreeing with me, Paul.

That’s what DeLay was saying yesterday about people who disagreed with -him-.

It would be difficult, yes, to overcome the antipathy that exists towards us, and that did exist towards us prior to 9/11.

But you are not even willing to try.

Saying we should fight in iraq is like the man who lost his keys in the street at night and goes over to look under the street light 50 feet away because that is where the light is better.

Walt

By Midori

March 19, 2007 6:05 PM | Link to this

{{{Man, the only thing you better be �nailing� is your nightly dosage of Geritol.}}}

better a nightly dosage of Geritol than your daily dosage of a crate of vodka, Andy.

Can you say, “Hiccup”?

By Social Moops

March 19, 2007 6:10 PM | Link to this

CNN just announced that Khalid Sheik Mohammed wrote a book called “If I did half this sh!t wouldn’t you look stupid, Mr. Bush?”

and of course, his sequel, “If I did it, not saying I did, just what if I did, all I’m saying, I could have, you know, just maybe I did, maybe I didn’t, not gonna tell” .

By Paul

March 19, 2007 6:11 PM | Link to this

Walt

You’re the one who keeps bringing Pres Bush into the conversation. I’ve been discussing policy and concepts. Must be part of the “My team’s gotta win, with me are against me” attitude. If any attitude’s “Bush-like” - it’s yours in that regard.

Daniel

I’d say this type of war is radically different than what we as a country are used to - and to what our military and institutions are prepared to deal with. It’s fought outside the bounds of international law and conventions. Civilians are intentionally targeted. The opponent is not a nation-state. Weapons banned by international protocal will be used, if available. The enemy is not fighting primarily for land, wealth or resources, except as a secondary benefit. The enemy is transnational, bound by ideology.

The “one’s person terrorist/Revolutionary War” adage is popular but does not, I think, bear scrutiny. The War of Independence was a rebellion - and was fought according to the customs of the time, with a chain of command, uniforms, etc. There was government backing on both sides. Foreign governments recognized the governments and gave assistance. I think this “War on Terror/Jihadists” is quite outside the bounds of what is “normal” warfare in the 20th/21st centuries.

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 6:15 PM | Link to this

Midori: How long has it been since you got your sex changed?

You sound more and more butch everyday.

That is what you wanted right, to be a man?

Hope it all works out for you.

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By Paul

March 19, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

Walt 5:58

Has someone assumed your name? Because I’m having a difficult time following your “reasoning” compared to earlier posts. I don’t get the Delay reference.

I never said I wasn’t willing to “try” - just that “incentivized diplomacy” does not strike me as realistic for conducting large-scale ground ops in Pakistan. And many here are opposed to covert military ops.

At least you’re off a Bush reference. But now you’re onto an Iraq reference. “Saying we should fight in Iraq” - where did that come from?!!? I thought the topic was killing OBL?

Walt’s gone for the day. Someone’s having fun.

By Brian Curtis

March 19, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

Paul: So, you’re saying it’s foolishly idealistic to think that America should actually obey its own Constitution and live up to our own ideals in dealing with other nations and peoples?

Interesting.

By Iraq Veterans Against the War

March 19, 2007 6:21 PM | Link to this

“I was a reservist attending Claremont McKenna College in January 2004 when I volunteered to transfer from November Battery 5/14 (artillery) which was not deploying, to the 3rd Civil Affairs Group which was leaving in less than a month. I served in the Fallujah area from February to September and recieved the Combat Action Ribbon and Navy Commendation medal for my service. While as soldiers who have taken an oath we all have a responsibility to support the system that ensures us the quality of life that we enjoy in America, we also have a responsibility as citizens to ensure that the system is held accountable to the American people and to the highest moral standard.”- Adam Charles Kokesh

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

This rat is fixing to get smoked out of it’s hole:

There’s no question that in her testimony, Plame Wilson omitted inconvenient facts and put an inapt emphasis on others. If Bond’s characterization of the evidence is correct, she may actually have lied. Lying under oath before Congress constitutes perjury and a violation of the False Statements Act — the same crimes that accounted for three of the four charges that Scooter Libby was recently convicted of. Wouldn’t it be ironic if Valerie Plame Wilson were to share Libby’s fate?

Nail the bit-ch.

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By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

It’s amazing to me that Bush and the rest of the Republicans are scared of these cowards:

I spotted a group of four anarchists carrying an upside down American flag and wondered how far they�d get with it. It turned out to be about 50 yards. Then, a vet managed to infiltrate the parade and snatched the flag from them, causing all four members of the revolutionary vanguard to run scurrying away.

One giant smackdown and these punk as-ses would remain silent for a good year or two and we refuse to administer it on them.

Being nice don’t get you nothing George, look at the way these filthy mofos bite your hand everytime you stick it out to them.

Let’s start with this Plame, y’all, time to get even.

Lock the bitc-h up.

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By Neo-ConArtist

March 19, 2007 6:40 PM | Link to this

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Dull post so much out of such desperation as today.

Dull, you obviously didn’t bother to even read your own link. There’s missing info that will be presented with the memo that Ms. Plame references, once it has been made public. Why not wait and see what that CIA officer says in his memo before you start your chomping at the bit?

Desperation and idiocy — this is what you’re offering the American people these days? HA HA HA.

By Neo-ConArtist

March 19, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this

{{Being nice don�t get you nothing George, look at the way these filthy mofos bite your hand everytime you stick it out to them.}}

Dull, when have you ever offered anything “nice” here on this blog?

By Paul

March 19, 2007 6:43 PM | Link to this

Brian Curtis 6:20

Noooo, I believe I said we should not impose our Constitutional beliefs and restrictions on all people, all over the globe, in every interaction. We should not go into another country and insist we can act under, or encourage others by, our “rights.”

I gave some obvious examples as to how military operations aren’t exactly conducive to “rights” of speech, assembly, security in one’s home, etc. I gave a couple examples of how our “rights” are diametrically opposed to many countries’ “rights.” I said how if it’s good for us it’s good for them - then showed how what other countries consider “lawful, culturally based, reasonable, etc” would be considered by us, barbaric - and we do not accept their actions while they are in our country.

Going into another country and playing by our “Constitutional” values gets people in jail - remember those two girls from Texas jailed in Afghanistan because they wanted to teach Christianity? So much for freedom of religion in dealing with others.

Going to India and taking an “untouchable” into a restaurant will cause a riot.

Going to most Middle East countries and telling a woman it’s her right to stand in the village square and tell the imam he’s full of it will get her killed.

Doing business in China yet insisting on a right to privacy, expression of thought or freedom of speech will lead to - go contracts. Ask Google.

Interesting? You bet it is. Theory vs reality usually is.

By Neo-ConArtist

March 19, 2007 6:53 PM | Link to this

It seems that Bush’s decision to privatize hundreds of thousands of Government jobs resulted in the mess we have at Walter Reed.

An Army contract to privatize maintenance at Walter Reed Medical Center was delayed more than three years amid bureaucratic bickering and legal squabbles that led to staff shortages and a hospital in disarray just as the number of severely wounded soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan was rising rapidly.

Has any plan put forward by the Bush administration during the past 7 years ever worked?

Is the standard answer always “private contractors” will do the work? And isn’t this how we got into such a mess as we have in Iraq?

By Iraq Veterans Against the War

March 19, 2007 6:54 PM | Link to this

In the light of all the criticism that George Bush is an idiot, the Republicans decide to hold a “George Bush Is Not Stupid” convention. Eighty thousand Republicans meet in the Kansas City Chiefs Stadium.

Trent Lott says, “We are all here today to prove to the world that George Bush is not stupid. So ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce President George Bush.”

After the cheers die down. Lott says “Mr. President, we’re going to prove to the world once and for all that you are not stupid. So tell us, what is 15 plus 15?”

Bush, after scrunching up his face and concentrating real hard for a moment, declares, “Eighteen!”

Obviously everyone is a little disappointed. Then the 80,000 Republicans start cheering, “Give Bush another chance! Give Bush another chance!”

Trent Lott says, “Well since we’ve gone to the trouble of getting 80,000 of you in one place, I guess we can do that.” So he asks, “What is 5 plus 5?”

After nearly 30 seconds of chin-rubbing and grimacing, Bush meekly asks “Ninety?”

Trent Lott is quite perplexed, looks down and just lets out a dejected sigh — everyone is disheartened.

But then Bush starts pouting, and suddenly the 80,000 Republicans begin to yell and wave their hands, shouting again “Give Bush another chance! Give Bush another chance!”

Lott, unsure whether he’s doing more harm than good, eventually says, “Ok! Ok! Just one more chance — What is 2 plus 2?”

Bush looks down, counts on his fingers, and after a whole minute, proudly announces “Four.”

A moment of total silence, then an electric charge surges through the stadium as pandemonium breaks out.

All 80,000 Republicans jump to their feet.

These GOP partisans start to wave their arms, stomp their feet and create a deafening roar:

“GIVE BUSH ANOTHER CHANCE! GIVE BUSH ANOTHER CHANCE!”

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

{{{MS. PLAME WILSON: No. I did not recommend him, I did not suggest him, there was no nepotism involved — I didn’t have the authority.}}}

It’s over.

In a stupid, meaningless, vindictive show trial meant only to harm the president of the United States, these ignorant crippled liberals got their moron heroine to perjure herself. The same crime that they conjured up for Scooter Libby, hahaha.

These stupid dull idiots set a trap for Bush and sprung it on themselves.

No one, not one of you ignorant, foaming at the mouth goonies ever had enough sense to say, this bitc-h was a WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ANALYST, and the United States went to war over faulty WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION INTELLIGENCE. Ding, ding, ding?

It don’t even register does it?

This hack had one purpose in her government funded career and that was to undermine a sovereign nation engaged in a defensive conflict to protect itself from a dictator that may or may not have gotten a nuclear weapon.

And she provided that dictator with AID AND COMFORT.

Hang the bitc-h.

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By Paul

March 19, 2007 6:59 PM | Link to this

NeoCon Artist

This is another case where “Blame Bush” doesn’t work. There was quite a discussion on this - last Wed or Thurs?

Contracting out non-inherently governmental functions (building maintenance, staffing, cafeteria workers, grounds maintenance, equipment maintenance is Federal Law

You’re not criticizing Pres Bush for enforcing the law?, are you?

This contract would never have made it to his level. It’s turning out the Army did a lousy job in the process and the private side availed themselves of lawfully-provided protests, which ground things down.

Just Google A-76 Performance of Commercial Activities and read up.

By Neo-ConArtist

March 19, 2007 7:01 PM | Link to this

Our Georgia legislators are proposing an “April is Confederate Heritage Month”. Let’s hope that for everyone’s sake, this, too, will fail.

Instead, maybe we should re-enact the April 9, 1865, surrender of Gen. Robert E. Lee to Gen. U.S. Grant at Appomattox Court House. Because apparently some people still need to be reminded that the war is over, and that the South lost, and that the South’s defeat was one of the best things that ever happened to this country.

By Joe Wilson

March 19, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this

Ms. LuckoDull,

In regards to your comments about my wife, may I kindly suggest you go fu-ck yourself.

Thank you in advance.

By RW-(the original)

March 19, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this

Buff @ 11:49,

Are you on the WPT yet? I’m still around here when I can, but this smoking hot economy the Bush tax cuts brought us have me busy as hell.

These moonbats here that cheat their employer by blogging on the company dime better hope the Democrats don’t screw those up. Once the economy turns down these zero production saps will be the first to go. Watching them beg for their own legs to be cut out from under them is amusing though.

Does anybody know when Valerie Plame’s perjury trial starts? Bonus question-Do you think they’ll do the treason one at the same time?

By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 7:37 PM | Link to this

It’s just a matter of time:

{{{BRIT HUME: And the other thing that needs to be noted here is when she says that she had nothing to do with getting her husband the trip, that flies in the face of the evidence adduced by the Senate Intelligence Committee whose findings were released not on a partisan basis � the bipartisan findings of the Senate Intelligence Committee, which was that she very much did have something to do with it, that she recommended him and that she put it in a memo. HOST CHRIS WALLACE: So she was lying under oath? HUME: I think that there is reason to question her credibility on that point.}}}

Lock the bitc-h up.

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By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 8:05 PM | Link to this

Eating that a-ss up:

But it turns out that Valerie Plame was also questioned about these events during the investigation into the Niger uranium matter by the Senate intelligence committee, and they were watching, members of the Senate intelligence committee were watching eagerly her appearance on Friday. Sunday night Senator Chris Bond from Missouri, vice-chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, said in a statement that Mrs. Wilson didn’t tell his committee about any junior officer or the call from the vice president’s office or the passing CIA official. “Friday was the first time we ever heard that story,” Bond said. “Obviously if we had it we would have included it in the report. If Valerie Plame’s memory of events has improved, if she would now like to change her testimony, I’m sure the committee staff would be happy to reinterview her.” Of course, Congress is very upset when it gets misled, aren’t they? Like the US attorney story, very, very upset.

Lock the Plame bitc-h up.

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By LuckoDull

March 19, 2007 8:34 PM | Link to this

Everybodies getting in on the action:

Second: Despite court testimony (and memorandum evidence) presented to the contrary, Plame denied that she recommended her husband for the Niger trip: “I did not recommend him. I did not suggest him. There was no nepotism involved. I did not have the authority,” she said. That conflicts with senior officials at the CIA and State Department, who testified during Libby’s trial that Plame recommended Wilson for the trip.

Lock the Plame bitc-h up.

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