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Leadership?
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By getalife
February 27, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this
Idiots indeed.
So, cheney saw his first combat action from a mile away.
Then he cut and ran.
By Daniel
February 27, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this
gal: Dickie Deferments already has applied for his deferment for the Iran War.
By N-GA
February 27, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this
You can bet your butt that the Ga legislature would change the law if some white kids from Dunwoody were involved.
By Shawny
February 27, 2007 2:45 PM | Link to this
Here’s an inconvenient truth
By Shawny
February 27, 2007 2:52 PM | Link to this
There is legislation being debated regarding teens having sex? What a ridiculous waste of time. Any legislation on what goes on in the bedroom (and in the backs of cars) should be unconstitutional.
Better legislation would be for professors sticking to facts and not teaching liberalism to their captured audiences. You can choose not to attend a church and be indoctrinated, but kids have to go to class.
By Blackadder
February 27, 2007 3:04 PM | Link to this
Speaking of Al Gore. I gotta say, I like the current Al Gore a lot better than the guy who thought Joe Lieberman was a good choice for a running mate.
By N-GA
February 27, 2007 3:05 PM | Link to this
Shawny…your assignment is to research this toon so that you can be up-to-date on current events. Then you will not make such a bad impression on people who read your posts and think that you are a typical product of the Ga education system.
By AS LONG AS
February 27, 2007 3:09 PM | Link to this
BOYS ARE BOYS, GIRLS WILL BE USED.
THE MARAUDING KID SHOULD HAVE PLED OUT. ONE YEAR MAX.
ROMEO & JULIET WERE LATE TO THE TRIAL.
By Truthman
February 27, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this
Georgia Legislators - Like a Rock…only dumber!
Here’s what our fine soldiers are fighting for? So Cheney and his cabal can support Al-Qaeda in Lebanon?
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/070305fafacthersh
And neo-cons wonder why no one trusts the Cheney administration?
Even John Negroponte, the Iran-Contra angel of death, left the State Department because this is so illegal and immoral.
Hooray for Seymour Hersh…again!!
By Blackadder
February 27, 2007 3:17 PM | Link to this
Cartoon that don’t suck either.
By N-GA
February 27, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this
The DJIA is down about 300 pts (down 500 pts earlier)…NASDAQ down almost 100 pts (almost 4%). Gold down $19…US dollar down against most currencies….
Whew!
By rushncap
February 27, 2007 3:19 PM | Link to this
Wow, I post 1 thing today, and generate an avalanche of responses. I guess I have gotten under a lot of skins. Oh well.
BTW, @@, thanks for the wonderful implication that I would become a terrorist suicide bomber. You’re not as dumb as I thought. You’re a lot dumber.
But your “cute little grandma” veneer is completely gone, at least. You’re exposed for the ugly (mentally), mildly demented old hag that you are. Enjoy senile-hood.
By Blackadder
February 27, 2007 3:21 PM | Link to this
Correct me if I’m wrong but long ago when the wingnut opinion was polling high we were told “Shut up! The majority has spoken”
Now it’s our turn.
By Truthman
February 27, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this
rushncap.
C’mon, stop the name calling. In the words of the poet-philosopher-wino Rodney King, “can’t we all just get along?”
Disagree, yes! Diss, no?
By Dusty
February 27, 2007 3:31 PM | Link to this
I think the parents of these “innocents” should be sentenced to jail. Where were the parents who were supposed to teach their children self-control and self-respect for others? Where were the ones to tell teenagers that you will WANT to have sex but you are not ready for the responsibilities that may go with it? Where were the explanations of conception and STDs by parents and doctors? And where were the religious dictates that say humans are not animals to “go for it” whenever you feel like it?
The Georgia Legislature should not be setting the limits for teenagers. The parents should. Of course, Luckovich has tried to label the legislature as idiots because they are trying to do something to discourage promiscous teenage and underage sex.
Wonder what Luckovich tells his own children? Nothing?? Condoms for the kiddies?
By getalife
February 27, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this
crusty the clown is funny.
She thinks she can change human nature in teenagers.
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.
By N-GA
February 27, 2007 3:40 PM | Link to this
What the legislature has done was to pass a law that made the sentence for conviction of the crime a mandatory 10 years. There lies the problem. The judge and jury had no other option…not 5 years, not 3 years, not probation…but 10 years!
The GA legislature has many idiots in it.
By Buy Danish
February 27, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this
Squirt,
Don’t flatter yourself!
You posted an after hours message to RW and myself.
We had the temerity to respond which left you in a high dudgeon about the unfairness of it all waaaaaaa. Bwahaha.
Next the whiny BITWWSTCFE, said she agreed with you, so I responded to her ludicrous entry.
C’est la guerre. C’est la vie.
By Truthman
February 27, 2007 3:44 PM | Link to this
Blackadder;
Logic doesn’t work and pointing out the irony of words used in the past does not compute with the LOC (Lovers of Chimperor).
Good try, though! TM
By Dusty
February 27, 2007 3:48 PM | Link to this
No getalife.
I think teenagers can be taught something.
By Blackadder
February 27, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this
How many here had sex when they were teenagers? I’ll bet a huge majority.
With the dangers we face today like AIDS, etc. the only sane thing to do is pound it into the heads of our teenagers that they need to abstain or at the VERY LEAST use protection.
But to get 10 YEARS for consensual sex is an outrage! Luckovich is correct to call our legislators idiots for not reversing the law that put that kid in prison for something so minor. It goes way beyond “they are trying to do something to discourage promiscous teenage and underage sex.” Who in their right mind would agree that the kid deserves 10 years? Dr. Doom might agree because the kid is black but then I said “in their right mind” so that negates his opinion.
By Truthman
February 27, 2007 3:53 PM | Link to this
Dusty, maybe you haven’t read the papers in 10 years, but it’s the religious wrong who have bludgeoned legislatures nationwide into passing laws making it a crime for doctors to talk about contraception and STDs (remember all the abstinence pledges taken by hoodwinked teens a few years ago?)
And, heaven forbid, such subjects should be mentioned in good, Christian schools!
They are the same people who are fighting the HPV vaccine today because they believe it will make girls more willing to spread their legs. They are not “children of God,” they are self-serving, self-righteous butt-in-skis who were never popular in high school and never had good sex!
By Blackadder
February 27, 2007 3:54 PM | Link to this
Truthman 03:44 - Sadly you are correct.
By Paul
February 27, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this
Dusty 3:31
Sometimes, despite the best efforts of parents, kids go off the “deep end.” I’ve seen it a lot.
N-GA
Don’t know if you read my 2:56 before switching to this -
O’Reilly’s been pretty consistent. I read his first book - turned me around on the death penalty (he opposes). This was before all the cases that were reversed because of DNA testing. Early on with the Kerry/Swiftboat he called the Swiftboaters “despicable” - said he served, saw combat, was awarded medals by competent authority, end of story. He’s always advocated a strong environmental position.
Regarding the toon today - if the issue is, say, a 19-yr old going after a 13-yr old, that’s one thing. But a couple of 16-yr olds? Please…. Read of one case (Kentucky, I believe) an 18 or 19 yr old guy was with a 15 yr old. Wanted to get married. Parents went to the DA, pressed charges, guy was convicted. Couple is now married, has a child, and he’s a registered sex offender. Can’t live near schools, churches, etc. But what politician is going to vote against such laws. For all the law and order types, 99 percent of the adults could be convicted of various forms of sexual “deviancy” under most state laws. But who’s ever going to introduce legislation to repeal? No one.
By More Republican Economic Failure
February 27, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this
WASHINGTON (AFP) - Orders for manufactured US durable goods sank 7.8 percent in January.
and
NEW YORK - The Dow Jones industrial average fell more than 500 points today before gaining some of it back. The Dow dropped 546.02, or 4.3 percent, to 12,086.06 before recovering some ground. It was down 360.42, or 2.85 percent, at 12,271.84 with about a half hour of trading left.
This would be what Republicans call a ‘robust economy’. Republican economic policy can’t stay afloat even during a time of high consumption for war materials and in spite of their token vote buying tax breaks.
The only important question to ask yourself, though, is ‘How has YOUR prosperity been under Republican leadership’? If you have done well, then vote Republican. If your home value has depreciated, you didn’t get a yearly raise or it didn’t keep up with the cost of living, you are having to pay for services that used to be provided by a strong Democratic economy, your fuel consumption bill has run away with your budget, your grocery sacks cost more and have less in them, and you watch very carefully what you say on the phone or in public just in case big brother might mistake you for a terrorist, then you should vote against the failed economic policies of the Republican party.
By Blackadder
February 27, 2007 3:59 PM | Link to this
Out for the day - have fun - see you all tomorrow if time permits.
By Hound Dog
February 27, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this
Gore is a hypocrite just like Haggard!!
By Daniel
February 27, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this
Sen Chuck Hagle gave an interview to TIME magazine. Here’s an excerpt: ” Aftr four years of disaster in Iraq. There are some in the party who think we should tiptoe around this. That’s iresponsible.” And in answer to the question should the next president be a veteran. Combat experience puts you in a position not to think of war as an abstraction but as a very real event of significant suffering. If you don’t personally have that experience, then putting people around you who have that experience is important. In the Bush Administration case, there was only one person who had anything close to that experience, Colin Powell, the one person they listened to least.” Like the right-wing in general, “people who personally have that experience”.
By Dusty
February 27, 2007 4:13 PM | Link to this
Truthman,
Would you give me a link to laws preventing doctors from discussing conception and std’s with patients?
Parents are the first providers of information to their children. That is, in normal circumstances. A pediatrician is trained to care for the medical needs of children and early teenagers.
You are out of control over “pledges” and condoms and birth control which should not be the perogative of schools. School is not for the study of sexual activity and “controls” but a place to learn “reading, writing and arithmetic”. Parents are to teach their children the way to a sucessful and ethical life in all matters.
By Dusty
February 27, 2007 4:25 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Of course, you are right that some children go astray no matter what. But how far do you want to go with this overlook of teenage sexual activity as “kid stuff”? Do you have any daughters you might want to overlook such trivialities?
Sorry but I take the responsibility of my own five quite seriously. I don’t wait for schools or legislature to teach them what is important. My husband and I take that as our responsibility.
By Buy Danish
February 27, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this
it’s the religious wrong who have bludgeoned legislatures nationwide into passing laws making it a crime for>>>>>>>doctors<<<<<<<<< to talk about contraception and STDs (remember all the abstinence pledges taken by hoodwinked teens a few years ago?)
Truthiman,
Really? Do tell.
By jacksonwolff
February 27, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZhuh? What?
Oh, sorry. I just nodded off listening to all this right-wing lovefestathon. for a moment I thought I was listening to Faux Noise, I mean Fox “News”
By LuckoDull
February 27, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this
By AntiRadical February 27, 2007 03:58 PM
Psst, Spammie: The democrats are in charge of government now, see last November.
Remember when you were blaming everything on Republicans because they controlled the house and senate?
Looks like your minimum wage hike, higher taxes and goofy a-ss “global warming” regulations are coming home to roost.
I know this is way too much for your pea brain to deal with but take your time, think about it.
You own the economy now.
If we lose in Iraq, it’s Murtha’s baby.
All the crooked as-s deals that Hoyner makes with the lobbyists, same lobbyists as Abramoff, that’s you babe.
It’s all yours.
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By Dubya
February 27, 2007 4:41 PM | Link to this
Stock market doom. 3 million mfg jobs in U.S. lost since Bushie took office. That’s 3 million! Bad alcoholic Chimp. No banana for you today.
By Accuracy in action
February 27, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this
Kinda sad they missed Cheney. But would we want a stench like him made into a Repug martyr? Not.
By Paul
February 27, 2007 4:47 PM | Link to this
Dusty
I don’t think we’re that far apart on that issue. I treat matters of sexuality an morality the same with both sexes. I never thought that was something that should be passed off to schools, church or chance. It was a combination of example, teaching, open communication and some pretty blunt talk when the situation warranted.
I don’t think this is an “either/or” situation. Schools and church can complement and reinforce the home. Having said that, there’s a big difference between study of biology, STDs, conception (I remember my biology teacher who said “the only one hundred percent effective birth control is abstinence - he wasn’t speaking of religion, just stating a fact) and teaching behaviors that conflict with what a parent may deem inappropriate.
But - after all that - kids - boys or girls - may very well engage in conduct outside the moral framework the parent would wish. No theory here, Dusty - been there, done that.
By RW-(the original)
February 27, 2007 4:48 PM | Link to this
Thomas,
Here’s the answer to your snarky comment that the Bush Ranch would be wasting so much energy that it would make the Gorebot’s mansion look efficient.
By LuckoDull
February 27, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this
Hollywood’s wealthy liberals can now avoid any guilt they might feel for consuming so much non-renewable fossil fuel in their private jets, their SUVs, and their multiple air-conditioned mansions. This year’s Oscar goodie bag contained gift certificates representing 100,000 pounds of greenhouse gas reductions from TerraPass, which describes itself as a “carbon offset retailer.”
It figures, it takes Hollywood’s wealthy liberals to fall for a load of bullsh-it like this.
I have to give a hand to TerraPass, their hard work and ideas are reaping the rewards of capitalism, plus they’re making their money off a bunch of dumb a-ss socialists.
That’s a win-win.
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By N-GA
February 27, 2007 6:06 PM | Link to this
Paul,
Yes, O’Reilly has some positions that I strongly support…and no one is more surprised than I. Perhaps it’s his arrogant and overbearing way of interacting with callers that puts me off. I wonder if he truly thinks that someone may say something that will cause him to change his position on a significant issue.
Regarding ML’s toon: I don’t think a single blogger here disagrees with wanting parents to teach moral values (Andy’s parents failed). But the point of the toon addresses the Legislature’s mandate that sex with an underage individual (even consensual sex) requires that the perpetrator be sentenced to 10 years imprisonment.
There are some on this blog that imply that this is fine with them because they have daughters. I believe that consensual sex involves decisions by two people, even though they are too young to make smart decisions. And of the mother of those daughters who may want to castigate me for misinterpreting her views, then she needs to be much more specific and address ML’s toon rather than trying to preach morality to this blog.
The primary issue that should allow judges to have latitude is the difference in the ages of the consenting individuals. The Legislature was too dumb or too “right” to understand that.
By @@
February 27, 2007 6:38 PM | Link to this
I want a word with rushncap.
This IS a test.
By rushncap
February 27, 2007 6:42 PM | Link to this
You can have it if you wish, @@. Assuming the board allows it.
By cleo
February 27, 2007 6:44 PM | Link to this
Dooma Con”sutra”vative, Where are you today?
By @@
February 27, 2007 6:48 PM | Link to this
Alright that last post seemed to go thru, so now. I’ve already posted two comments on this cartoon, and I refuse to do so again. Having said that….
rushncap:
You are, as always, overly sensitive. I did not imply that you should be a suicide bomber. Personally, I don’t think you have the wherewithall to pull it off nor would I want you to for numerous reasons.
I would not want harm to come to you or any innocent bystanders.
AND…”senile-hood”? What the hell is that? Something that rhymes with “penile-wood”?
Right backatcha!
By RW-(the original)
February 27, 2007 6:57 PM | Link to this
You’ve got to hand it to the AJC. When the hamsters in their wheels were running this blog it was pretty bad, but now that they’ve put all their resources behind the web site it’s almost completely worthless.
I think it was LuckoDull the other day that said it best. They have managed to make the web site as crappy as the parrot cage liner they’ve abandoned.
By Daniel
February 27, 2007 6:58 PM | Link to this
@@: I sense a “movida” in your posts toward rushncap. Sweet.
By RW-(the original)
February 27, 2007 7:04 PM | Link to this
Well one good thing, if they can keep it running, is it seems the comment window stays open now.
This place was always better at night anyway.
By rushncap
February 27, 2007 7:06 PM | Link to this
@@, after all that buildup, that’s all you have? Really? That’s it? No mas? Your big punchline is “penile-hood”? Sigh. I think your autistic students could do better than that.
By rushncap
February 27, 2007 7:08 PM | Link to this
“This place was always better at night anyway.” = “Me and Danish can enjoy our private time of giving each other metal BJs in peace because we’re the only ones whose lives are sad enough to spend all night on this blog.”
Just a helpful RW-to-English translation for all the kids out there.
By RW-(the original)
February 27, 2007 7:17 PM | Link to this
Is a metal BJ something you find on your productivity breaks. I hope that’s some kind of weird bondage thing and not an affection for braces you’re showing us rushncap.
Actually at night we had lots of commenters here from out west and none of the Koz kiddie swarms we got during the day. The only pr!ck here was you rushncap, but you were a pretty decent guy during the day so I figured that perhaps you’d had a personality shift and now that you’re such a complete ahole during day you might be tolerable at night. Guess not, eh?
By rushncap
February 27, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this
Sorry Stalk, I tried being nice to you. That proved impossible. So now I’m a pr!ck to you because you deserve no better. In fact, you don’t deserve even that much, but you amuse me, so I keep talking to you just to watch you squirm. And no, don’t get excited, the previous phrase has no sexual connotation. You’re a little twirp and, well, I spend all day around really smart, really decent people, so you’re my comic relief. Is this mean, to do this to someone like you? Maybe. But you don’t realize it (even when I tell you this to your face), so I don’t think it matters. After all, if you make fun of a horse, you don’t really hurt the horse’s feelings. Similar situation here. But just remember, you have no one to blame but yourself for me being a pr!ck to you. If you want me to treat you as an adult you’d have to start acting as one at some point. I just don’t see that happening.
By LuckoDull
February 27, 2007 7:41 PM | Link to this
Bark, bark, bark.
Pelosi vowed that five-day workweeks would be a hallmark of a harder-working Democratic majority. So far, the House has logged only one. Lawmakers plan to clock three days this week.
Yipe, yipe, yipe.
All bark and no brain.
Madame Dullard.
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By RW-(the original)
February 27, 2007 7:42 PM | Link to this
Aww Dmitry,
It’s really cute when you go on a crying jag like that. BTW, I tried referring to you simply as rushncap but you don’t seem ready to reciprocate.
Here’s a start to our renewed civil discourse, if a “metal BJ” has no sexual connotation what is a “metal BJ?”
Don’t try Billy Jeff’s is/is excuse.
On another note, what do all these smart and decent people you’re hanging with all day think of your blogging habits, especially those little masturbation breaks you take at your computer?
By RW-(the original)
February 27, 2007 7:50 PM | Link to this
LuckoDull,
Pelosi and Reid might start enforcing those five day work weeks.
It’s pretty obvious that when lawmakers went home last week they heard on no uncertain terms that defunding the troops or surrendering in Iraq would not be tolerated. When they left all we heard was Filthy Mouth Murtha talking up his slow bleed strategy and Reid swearing that as soon as the Senate came back they would revoke the Iraq War Resolution.
Now I think they’re working on a color scheme for Washington ice cream trucks. They aren’t about to let their lackeys keep going home and hearing from the voters.
By rushncap
February 27, 2007 7:50 PM | Link to this
Geee, I guess I was not clear before, Stalk. I have almost as little interest in having a civil discourse with you as you do with me. Almost. The board is yours (and Muff’s) for the rest of the night. Enjoy the highlight of your life. Far be it from me to take that away from you. I’m out — dancing, finishing up work, etc. You know — grown-up stuff. Ask @@, she might know.
By LuckoDull
February 27, 2007 8:18 PM | Link to this
By rushncap February 27, 2007 7:50 PM I’m out — dancing, finishing up work, etc. You know — grown-up stuff.
rushncrap: Say, if your life is so great, why do you have to beat your meat?
And raging about what other people choose to do with their time, now that’s just so chic, it’s not abnormal at all, what a free independent spirit you are, you really go girl!
Puhleeze.
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By RW-(the original)
February 27, 2007 11:47 PM | Link to this
Alright! It’s about time for the cool clubs to start cranking! I don’t know where one goes to dance at 7:50 in the evening unless it’s a buffet at Goldie’s poker barn on square dance night, but maybe that’s a good place to finish up some work.