Mike Luckovich

By LuckoDull

February 12, 2007 07:59 AM | Link to this

It looks like things aren’t going the pinko’s way, again:

We know now that Scooter Libby wasn’t Novak’s original source: then Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage was. We also know that Armitage told his boss — probably on the same date that Novak’s article appeared — that he was probably the source. Neither shared that information with the White House or — for years after — with Rove or Libby. Let us pass, for the moment, that ultimate act of political disloyalty to the president. What is important here is how and why the CIA apparently manipulated both the intelligence community and the criminal justice system. Joe Wilson was unqualified, by training and experience, for the Niger “mission” which has been so widely and mistakenly used to undercut the rationale for the Iraq invasion.

Oh what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive.

I guess it did excite the dullards for a year or two.

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By @@

February 12, 2007 08:13 AM | Link to this

Are you checking out “dem bones” ml?

Defense Exhibit 1972, a tape-recorded interview from the “Imus in the Morning” radio show, is another of those revealing moments in the perjury trial of I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby.

“So … what happened?” radio host Don Imus asks NBC News correspondent Andrea Mitchell about her confusing reporting on an undercover CIA officer. “Were you drunk?”

“I obviously screwed up,” Mitchell responds in the exchange, which Libby’s defense hopes to play for the jury in coming days. “I guess I was drunk,” she jokes.

Now Mitchell has recanted and is challenging a subpeona to testify in the case?

Mitchell has since recanted those comments and has said she can’t explain them.

Mitchell is challenging a subpoena to testify in the case. A federal judge said he will hear arguments on the issue Monday.

That could be Russert and Mitchell in that hole ml. Do you see an empty liquor bottle in there?

Let’s get down to the real nitty gritty ml. That could even be Huge and Midori in that hole. Maybe Thomas and….well, the other Thomas, PNAC.

By Mike

February 12, 2007 08:21 AM | Link to this

I think it should say “AJC” and “racial divisivness”.

How bout “AJC” and “liberal activism”?

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 08:24 AM | Link to this

Congratulations to The Dixie Chicks for the 4 Grammys they won last night. Finally their excellent CD received the appreciation it deserves.

By @@

February 12, 2007 08:32 AM | Link to this

Blackadder:

That little “squatty” chick’s comments from the podium rendered her absolutely classless in my opinion.

Until that moment, I could have given a flying “eff” about the Dixie Chicks.

Some people will never learn when to keep their mouths shut.

The other two? Gracious in their acceptance of the award.

By Edwin Williams

February 12, 2007 08:33 AM | Link to this

The Dixie Chicks still haven’t figured out that freedom of speech also means the freedom to be critical of others’ opinions. It works both ways, that is what makes it so wonderful.

By RW(the original)

February 12, 2007 08:33 AM | Link to this

I been thinking and that’s not easy for a wipe like me. What kind of mind imagines the US has a right to invade a sovereign country with no reason? What kind of mind imagines the US can or should try to erase off the face of the earth the culture, thoghts, religion of millions of people who’ve been slaughtering each other for thousands of years? Hating us then, now and forever? We’re just gonna drop a few of our so-called democratic jems on them and that’ll give them freedom from what? Liberate them from what. Stupid. I been dirtying this blog since its inception and it’s time for me to get real.

By Mike

February 12, 2007 08:38 AM | Link to this

No reason? How bout the treaty that Iraq signed and violated? The UN resolutions that were passed uninimously, which Iraq flouted and which gave any UN nation the right to enforce them?

Why are liberals so ignorant of facts? It’s fine to hate Bush, Christians, et al, but at least have some intellectual honesty. Or at lease try to not be so ignorant of fact while pursuing your mindless hatred.

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 08:42 AM | Link to this

“Some people will never learn when to keep their mouths shut.” -@@

As Americans we should NEVER have to “learn to keep our mouths shut”. I don’t know about you but I believe in the freedom of speech. I wouldn’t want the Dixie Chicks to shut up any more than Rush Limbaugh. If you can’t handle the words, don’t listen.

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 08:42 AM | Link to this

Edwin Williams - you are absolutely correct!

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 08:45 AM | Link to this

Edwin - let me be more specific. It was your last sentence that I agreed with.

By Dusty

February 12, 2007 08:48 AM | Link to this

Say that again RW. You and I are 2 of the lowest points on this blog. Me, I pass myself off as somebody in the medical field when all I do is swab mensrooms all day. Still dripping from the ears I dumpout my many experiences in life. Ever tell you bout the years I spent working with American Indians? I shoulda been thrashed for that one. My little years have only taught me to hate, be jealous, enjoy constant failure, identify with a lowlife like Prez Brush. I feel a change comin on fellow goon.

By @@

February 12, 2007 08:51 AM | Link to this

Blackadder:

It was an opportunity to display some “class”, she blew it. Her childish behavior wasn’t received too well by the audience.

She should have simply expressed gratitude for the award like the other two.

By the way. I know nothing about country music. I don’t listen to it.

By LuckoDull

February 12, 2007 08:54 AM | Link to this

If the Dixie Chicks had the 16th best selling album of 2006, what was their award for?

(Sorry about the “bump hottie,” y’all, it came with the page.)

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By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 08:54 AM | Link to this

Hijacking names isn’t good for either side. It might be for a chuckle but ultimately isn’t good for the discourse.

By @@

February 12, 2007 08:56 AM | Link to this

Wow! A namejacking “liberal” must have awakened with a weekend hangover or a hangnail. I wonder which?

Squatters rights?

By RW(the original)

February 12, 2007 08:58 AM | Link to this

It’s only Monday but I’m already tired of just being another piece of rightwing crap around here.

By ed lorenzo

February 12, 2007 08:59 AM | Link to this

How to Become a Banana Republic

Our wise ancestors, savvy rich merchants that they were, invented a republic where the common good was the key premise. In the process, Congress was born. For most of the time it has helped keep the masses from boarding the first steamer to Australia and the rich ones from not losing any opportunity to become richer. Somehow, the republic flourished and people managed to survive thanks to the many resources available and their own work ethics. Congress stood by and watched.

In time, the flourishing, inventive republic of old, metamorphosed into the decaying organism of a Banana Republic, with as much courage and brains as the proverbial pineapple. And all thanks to a lobbying Congress.

Fade in to the present. Congress has reached the limits of its existence. Against all decency and the will of the people, it is now an instrument of Mafia-like protection, providing a demented president with additional opportunities to lead a proud nation into the ranks of the deplorable Banana Republics of the world.

The current merry go round about the Iraq Resolution is proof of it. The worst part is that it does not even produce bananas!

By LMAO

February 12, 2007 09:08 AM | Link to this

Her behavior was wrong only to the 20% or so that still love Bush. You Bush lovers are so out of touch. The rest of us loved it.

“Some people will never keep their mouth shut.” I’m so glad thats true. And I’m so glad that even people like you won’t do it either.

How’s Baghdad doing today?

By Kevin

February 12, 2007 09:15 AM | Link to this

Well the dixie twits won 5 Grammays n a bad case of Carter….Blah they deserve zip n please explain to hillary she voted for the iraq war.and the poodle who loves support Iran to lets see if a rep.congress did u hear hell from press none for other party……Oh well now if please tell someone in washington the Va hosps. n staff need more funds to pay for me dad help he serve is country n what we get No pay his stay in local nursin home till find place n i disabled n if no hurry i be homeless…….Please get Va moeny in congress for help vets of ww2

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 09:25 AM | Link to this

@@ - I’m not much into country either. The bright spot for me was the Police reunion. John Mayer was excellent as well.

Admittedly I was curious about the Dixie Chicks when the Republicans made all that fuss over nothing. When I heard their new CD I was quite impressed. They have become more mainstream than country and the new CD is quite excellent.

What was their real crime? That Natalie Maines said that they were embarrassed that Bush was from Texas? WOW! How earth shattering! You would have thought thay they said that Cheney’s daughter was gay like Kerry did.

By Dusty

February 12, 2007 09:27 AM | Link to this

Well, of course that wasn’t me at 8:48. I was eating breakfast.

Would somebody please feed that poor pitiful namejacker? That might help but I think it will take medicine.

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 09:27 AM | Link to this

Kevin - did you wake up on the wrong side of the meds this morning?

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 09:31 AM | Link to this

LMAO - you’re right. Natalie was apparently quite overjoyed considering what she went through for such a minor offense. Her words were blown so far out of proportion that the hate machine took over and escalated it to unbelievable levels. I’ll bet most of the people who hate The Dixie Chicks can’t tell you exactly what she said that caused it all.

By The Peoples for a Nuked' Amerika' Century~!

February 12, 2007 09:35 AM | Link to this

-=-

Gooood Morning Viet-Iraq!

First we have a Haliburton/KBR worker killed by Friendly fire!..

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/National/IraqDriverShot.html

Gross Negligence and Incompetence, or have the troops finally figured out what the real threat in Iraq is?

-=-

Time to upgrade those Hummers!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17105332/

Hummer - Soldiers dying in theirs - So you can drive YOURS!

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@@ decries against “Freedom Of Speech as “The Dixie Chicks” sweep awards. Even Fox News seems to be supporting them now.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251368,00.html

It’s all about Image - Isn’t it FOX!?

-=-

High Tech Building Materials:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/12/cow_poo/

Perfect for Buy Danish’s Next house!

-=-

Thomas/PNAC

By DebbieDoRight

February 12, 2007 09:37 AM | Link to this

That could be Russert and Mitchell in that hole ml. Do you see an empty liquor bottle in there?

If there’s a liquor bottle in the hole it can only be Dubya and his best friend Mr. Jim Beam.

Mike: GREAT TOON!!! Loved it!! I’ve been wondering for the past years why Russert wasn’t even PRETENDING to seek out the truth about Iraq’s WMD’s fiasco — now I know!

By DebbieDoRight

February 12, 2007 09:44 AM | Link to this

{{No reason? How bout the treaty that Iraq signed and violated? The UN resolutions that were passed uninimously, which Iraq flouted and which gave any UN nation the right to enforce them?}}

How about how the UN decided they’d try to handle their affairs, thank you. How about how when the UN sent in inspectors they didn’t FIND ANY WMD’S? How about how Iraq, (Hussein), gave the UN permission long BEFORE the US declared war? How about how Dumbya and his goons decided FOR THE UN to invade Iraq with their coalition of the willing, (UK and ???? no one else), WITHOUT UN approval on their own?

{{Why are liberals so ignorant of facts}} Why are crazies like you so intimdated by READING the facts for themselves? Why must EVERYTHING come from Bammity & Homeboy? Or FoxU News? Or that tired shrew Coulter? Or better yet the drug addited Lushbaugh? Here’s a new trend for 2007, THINK FOR YOURSELF. Pass it forward….

By Dusty

February 12, 2007 09:49 AM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight,

Unless you want to say that Obama is a coke head, I would not keep suggesting that President Bush is an alcoholic. Neither is true but if you must pass out false information, at least make it equal.

By Truthman

February 12, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

Let’s all just admit the Dick Cheney is the Lord of Darkness - that he is evil personified and needs to be delivered in shackles to the World Court at the Hague in Belgium - and then we can get on with convicting the rest of the Chimperor’s gang!!

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2007 10:00 AM | Link to this

Get a life wanker!! And it wouldn’t hurt to use your own freaking name Polly.

Blackadder,

What the hell is all this whining about what the Dixie Chicks “went through?” They experienced the free give and take of saying what they wanted to and living with the reaction. Sounds like freedom to me, sorry you think experiencing freedom is so horrible.

Ultimately it paid off for them because this album they got these awards for is pathetic when you compare it to their earlier works which were excellent. So spare us your idiotic “hate machine” crap.

As for the toon, it’s got to be OV and Blowhard.

By Truthman

February 12, 2007 10:02 AM | Link to this

Another fine, upstanding, heterosexual, bit-time Christian couple files for divorce.

Man, how are we going to blame Smoltz’s split on the gays?

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

Would any of you “free speech” advocates explain why Obama had the protesters thrown out of his event last night and whether you support him in that action?

By N-GA

February 12, 2007 10:17 AM | Link to this

DNA tests proved conclusively that the skeletal remains were those of Condoleeza Rice and George Bush. Forensic analysis confirmed they had both suffered from years of exposure to mercury. The probable source were Texas Bass and Perch.

However, cause of death was determined to be overeating of their own words.

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

RW - don’t make a fight where non exists. I know you exist here to kindle arguments rather than debate. To each his own.

I suppose you missed the fact that most country stations around the US refused to play their music. No exposure is usually the death of an act. They rose above it in spite of it all. The death threats didn’t help matters either. Yes they went through quite a bit and came out smelling like a rose.

As I told @@ I am not much of a country fan so their earlier works didn’t interest me. Their new stuff is top notch. I’m glad we have the “freedom” to have differing opinions. Is that ok with you?

By N-GA

February 12, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

It is interesting that ClearChannel Communications stations uniformly boycotted the Chicks. That is because, like Fox, ClearChannel is a right-wing leaning media behemoth that is not afraid to express bias. Oh for the days when there were federally-mandated limits on the number of radio, TV and newspaper that could be owned by a single company in a specific market.

By N-GA

February 12, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

my 10:17 verb should be singular: “were” s/b “was”

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

Blackadder,

I’ve gotten more death threats for letters to the editor than the Dixie Chicks got for this whole made up brouhaha.

What is it you want to debate, slick?

Wait…I know, you’re just an idiot that wants to throw out an accusation that someone else wants to start an argument in lieu of a debate. Guess what? Discussing a difference of opinion IS a debate!

If it’s the merits of their earlier music, how the hell would you know if you haven’t even heard it? They’ve never been particularly country and if you like the latest album you would probably like the earlier stuff better since it’s a higher quality version of the same stuff. Is that too hard for you to understand or am I just being argumentative?

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

In Chicago, Obama’s speech was interrupted several times by a group of chanting protesters in the audience with a sign calling on Obama to “Stand up! Cut the funding,” presumably for the war in Iraq.

“Hey guys, come on … you made your point,” he told the protesters who were booed by the audience.

Obama, who had been talking about health care, told them he would get to their issue about the war soon, but they were escorted out before he got to it.

“We have a responsibility to be as careful coming out as we were careless getting in,” Obama said of the American presence in Iraq.

RW - If you read the third paragraph it seems as if the protesters were escorted out before he had a chance to address their concerns. It doesn’t sound like HE had them removed.

There you go again. Starting controversy where non exists.

By Seriously

February 12, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

Good post truthman. John Smoltz, Ralph Reed, Ted Haggard. Its not been a good year for the evangelical hypocrits has it?

You think Jim Wooten wiil comment on Smoltz? You know his typical “marriage is the bedrock of our civilization.” “Our children look up to our leaders” “We need to protect the children” “70% of African Americans are raised in single parent households,” speech?

Hell no the only comment he would give is “he deserves his privacy”

You see John Smoltz is not one of “the others.” He gets the standard Republican waiver.

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

RW - When one has no recourse other than to start name calling it really doesn’t bode well for a debate now does it? You’ve already lost any debate that may have transpired.

In the immortal words of W.C. Fields “Go away kid, ya bother me.”

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Blackadder,

If you believe a Faux News report you’ve got worse problems than I thought.

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

“If it’s the merits of their earlier music, how the hell would you know if you haven’t even heard it?” -RW

Who ever said I never heard it? I said it didn’t interest me. Now how would I come to that conclusion if I had never heard it?

Geez, like Kevin, did you get up on the wrong side of your meds too?

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

Seriously?,

When was the last time John Smoltz came preaching to you?

By AstroPain

February 12, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

It the diaper dont fit, you must acquit!

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Blackadder,

Just so you know, the video of what Obama said to the protesters doesn’t match up with your AP story. I know you don’t like facts, but some of us do.

Maybe you shouldn’t throw out your insults like you did in your first post to me if you can’t take the heat of a response. You moonbats are awfully thin skinned for people that contribute nothing but hatred.

I’m sure it will sadden you, but I’ve got errands to run.

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

RW - I just read the same story on The Chicago Tribune’s web site. I didn’t see one passage that said Obama had anyone thrown out.

The protesters and the crowd were geting quite vocal with one another and Security stepped in.

Where did you see or hear that Obama had them thrown out. Everything I’ve read so far says the was attempting to engage them.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

BA @ 10:48,

What a hilarious double standard you have.

{{{oooh it was just the security people}}}} err…unless they were tossed from a Republican’s event. Hypocrite!

By getalife

February 12, 2007 10:53 AM | Link to this

((( If you believe a Faux News report you’ve got worse problems than I thought)))

OMG, RW got one right.

Great toom Mike.

I am amazed the wingnuts do not see that the media is corporate owned like our government.

By The Chihuahua King

February 12, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

MUNICH, Germany - Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday blamed U.S. policy for inciting other countries to seek nuclear weapons to defend themselves from an “almost uncontained use of military force” — a stinging attack that underscored growing tensions between Washington and Moscow.

“Unilateral, illegitimate actions have not solved a single problem, they have become a hotbed of further conflicts,” Putin said at a security forum attracting senior officials from around the world.

“One state, the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way.”

Putin lead King George down the primrose path like a pet chihuahua on a short leash in the early days of the Iraq debacle. Back slapping photo ops and state dinners drew the Chimperor into the maw of Putin’s trap and ‘Yo Quierro’ Boy George lapped it up like the little scrawney dog he is.

Putin played ‘em like a fiddle and in the end gave no troop committment and saved his countries hard earned cash to spend on safegaurding his own people before those in some other shiite hole sand pit. Our ‘special’ President just never did have the right stuff to run with the big dogs.

Putin should be ashamed of hisself. It’s not manly to take advantage of dogs and little children.

By Dusty

February 12, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

Seriously @ 10:32,

In case you hadn’t noticed, Jim Wooten is neither a sports editor nor a marriage counselor. Maybe you are posting on the wrong blog.

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

RW - I hope one of your errands is to get your meds refilled. You are off your rocker today. Why are you so angry? Take a deep breath. It’ll all be ok in 08. You’ll have a Democratic president to complain about.

By rushncap

February 12, 2007 11:07 AM | Link to this

Adder — RW is always angry. It’s his default factory setting. Just enjoy it. I do!

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 11:08 AM | Link to this

RW - I believe this was my first response to you. Kindly point out the insult.

[[[By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

RW - don’t make a fight where non exists. I know you exist here to kindle arguments rather than debate. To each his own.

I suppose you missed the fact that most country stations around the US refused to play their music. No exposure is usually the death of an act. They rose above it in spite of it all. The death threats didn’t help matters either. Yes they went through quite a bit and came out smelling like a rose.

As I told @@ I am not much of a country fan so their earlier works didn’t interest me. Their new stuff is top notch. I’m glad we have the “freedom” to have differing opinions. Is that ok with you?]]]

Your first post of the day, however, containd this little gem:

[[[So spare us your idiotic “hate machine” crap.]]]

“Idiotic” sounds much more like an insult to me.

But since you have “errands” I’ll consider this “debate” over.

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 11:17 AM | Link to this

rushncap - LOL! RW seems especially upset about something today. He came out of the box in a hissy about The Dixie Chicks and Obama. Not much substance to either argument.

He never did show any proof that Obama had anyone thrown out of anywhere except for some vague reference to a video or something. He’s always so big on proof that he failed to provide it. I even went so far as to show him an article on the FOX web site (I feel so dirty) and he managed to find fault with that. I’d say he’s off his meds.

When we get right down to it he’s already sparked more response than he deserves.

By Craig

February 12, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

RW pointed out that the Dixie Chicks didn’t go through all the pain that Blackadder said they did and that Obama didn’t stop his security detail from throwing out hecklers. Yep, just plain hate speech on his part. Adder, why aren’t you in school today?

By DebbieDoRight

February 12, 2007 11:33 AM | Link to this

{{DebbieDoRight,Unless you want to say that Obama is a coke head, I would not keep suggesting that President Bush is an alcoholic}}

Dusty — Bush, his wife, his cabinet, his political machine, et al. have admitted that he had a drinking problem. Where have you been?

http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2001/0125/pr21-2.html

By Edwin Williams

February 12, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

Blackadder - what is it on Fox News that is sooo inaccurate? When have you caught them in lies and falsehoods? Could it be you don’t like their editorial style of airing BOTH sides of an argument? I find the NY Times quite biased, yet I read it and, no, I don’t feel sullied a bit. I just was the ink off my hands when I’m done.

By Huge

February 12, 2007 11:38 AM | Link to this

Blackadder,

Good luck in your efforts to “debate” RW! I’ll leave it at that!

In spite of curly’s ridiculous post at 7:59, it is really a shame about this entire sordid Cheney/Libby/Wilson affair. A shame, but not unpredictable given the caliber of people in power.

Other than the most blind far right partisans, I’m sure that most Americans are very disappointed in much of the awful behavior of this administration over the past six years.

Bush ran on a platform of restoring integrity in Washington and then did the very opposite by surrounding himself with like-minded hubris and corruption.

America doesn’t have to settle for such mediocrity. And as a nation we deserve much better.

We have less than two years to show the American voters the deadly consequences of falling for the rhetoric of such duplicitous, incompetent neo-cons.

This is a powerful precedent that leads us to know that these charlatans and crooks simply can’t be given any more chances.

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Craig - you are as information-deprived ad RW. It wasn’t Obama’s security who threw the protesters out. It was security for the facility. They did it when the protesters and the rest of the audience were escalating the confrontation.

It would help if you understood what you were commenting on.

By Blue Light Special

February 12, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 09:31 AM | Link to this

“Her words were blown so far out of proportion that the “”hate machine”” took over and escalated it to unbelievable levels.”

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Edwin - Rupert Murdoch pretty much admitted that FOX was an advocacy outlet and not so much a news channel.

Since Rupert owns it I’d say he knows what he’s talking about. Rupert isn’t even a Republican. He just knows where the money is.

As for FOX airing both sides of an argument. Do you call Hannity overpowering COlmes every day both sides? Do you call 3 right wing commentators against one left wing commentator airing both sides?

Ypu have a skewed sense of balance but then look at what you are defending.

By Edwin Williams

February 12, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

That’s really amusing to me, Blackadder. What do you call 5 liberals against one conservative, as on The View? Have you watched CNN lately? Have you watched the panel on ABC when 4 or 5 liberals oppose George Will? You folks really take the cake. Also, I have NEVER seen three on one at Fox. Often it is even, and many times as on “The Beltway Boys” it is quite balanced. Check your facts.

By Devastator

February 12, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

Edwin Williams,

Fox News does not present both sides of the argument, at least no more than other channels do. What I hate about them is the fact that they tell horrific stories about our soldiers being killed with smiles on their faces and with joy. This is an attempt to both report the news while at the same time control how we respond to it.

Their overabundance of “War Stories” type shows is indicative of the fact that they want us to be war minded,not peaceful.

By ICEMAN

February 12, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

Edwin,

What about Fox news watch? Neil Gabler is the only liberal amongst 4 conservatives?

By Truthman

February 12, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

What Wooten is is an apologist for Sonny, Zell, the Chimperor and all the other good ole boy “Dixiecrap” politicians ruining my country!!

TM!

By Craig

February 12, 2007 12:08 PM | Link to this

Adder-When security tried to take protesters out of an event here in Atlanta where Donald Rumsfeld was heckled he made the security detail stand down. Obama could have done the same but he wasn’t man enough, it’s really just that simple.

By LuckoDull

February 12, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

The junk science of “global warming” has caused the liberals to lose their freaking minds:

The costs of relocating seaside communities are extremely high, but they will be even higher if we wait 20 years.

Relocating seaside communities, eh? You mean like that wonderful pinko paradise under the sea, New Orleans?

We aren’t employing scare tactics, are we?

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By Truthman

February 12, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

I do watch FOX Atlanta in the morning for one reason!

Her name is Suchita Vadlamani and she is the heir-apparent to Amanda Davis as the most beautiful TV anchor in Atlanta!!

She starts my day off right!!

143 Suchita!!

By Paul

February 12, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

N-GA 10:26

Is that really you? You normally analzye the financial impact of decisions. While I do lament the rise of megamedia companies in radio and newspapers, I don’t think the “boycott” of Dixie Chicks was because of political bias. If their listeners were ticked at the DC remarks and they made their displeasure known, then continuing to play their songs would cost listeners and advertisers. They made a pretty easy business decision.

As far as “vindication” for the DC - nonsense. Either they turned out a good album, or their fans’ anger has faded, or… the Grammy voters saw another opportunity to stick it to the Administration, in a roundabout way. But their sales, or the awards, don’t “validate” a political position.

By rushncap

February 12, 2007 12:20 PM | Link to this

Craig - are you referring to the guy who asked Rummy a question that was not pre-screened? You call that “heckling”?

By Truthman

February 12, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

To Edwin Williams.

“The View.” You’re kidding, aren’t you?

You consider “The View” to be a news program? What do you consider “Judge Judy” or “Springer?”

Go back to the Wooten blog until you understand what news is!

By Cal

February 12, 2007 12:26 PM | Link to this

Adder, there’s a news video out there titled OBAMA HAS SECURITY CALLED INTO ACTION AT RALLY.

The video has cuts in it. Did he or didn’t he?

Craig makes a good point with his 12:08.

Here’s the videos we should all be worried about.

Do you like watching jihadist videos Adder?

By Paul

February 12, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Edwin,

Told ya - you won’t find much objectivity regarding Fox News amongst some here. They’ll key in on nonnewspeople like Hannity and pretty much ignore others. They’ll remain silent on such channels as MSNBC (our claim to fame is we’re not Fox!) and Olbermann rants. They will not even consider the “mainstream” networks exhibit any sort of liberal bias.

Fox has had some pretty bonehead reports - then again, so have CNN and CBS. But by and large, I’ll have to give Fox credit for at least bringing in spokespersons from opposing sides - oh, and many here will dismiss anyone who appears on Fox - Juan Williams, Mara Liason - as “faux liberals.”

Welcome to dealing with idealogues.

By Just sayin'

February 12, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

Truthman, you like Fox morning news because the anchor gets you “up”? You are a w*******.

By Huge

February 12, 2007 12:33 PM | Link to this

Edwin,

Fox fair and balanced?!! You really do fall for that? That’s pretty funny.

Who said the other networks are either, but your argument is just silly.

And the facts that you conveniently don’t provide prove it.

In the immediate weeks after shock and awe, guess how many anti-war voices were allowed to air their opinions on Fox?

If you guessed more than two, you would be wrong.

Guess how many war supporters were given a chance to rah-rah for Bush & Co. in that same time period?

If you guessed less than 80 you’d be wrong.

Fair and balanced is just marketing pablum for the easily manipulated.

By Craig

February 12, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

rushncap-No to the first question which makes your second one irrelevant.

By Devastator

February 12, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I think all news programs have their share of views on both sides represented. If you would refer to my comment @11:56, and add to that the overall content of the programs on Fox News, surely you can’t deny that there is a conservative slant.

By Junk Science

February 12, 2007 12:38 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Up to 20 percent of women who develop lung cancer have never smoked, U.S. researchers found in a study that suggests secondhand smoke may be to blame.

Pinkos and their junk science. People who don’t smoke OR breathe second hand smoke get lung cancer so that proves that smoking is not the cause of cancer anyhow. Cancer happens naturally just like global warming, nobody does anything to cause it.

Why do pinkos want to trash the great American tobacco industry with superulous claims based on junk science?

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

Does anybody want to bet whether Blowhard can back up that claim of 2 and 80+ at 12:33?

Blowhard,

The next time you back anything you say with fact will be the first. The only reporter on Fox that shows an obvious bias is Sheppard Smith and he’s as loopy as you.

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Cal - rushncap makes a better point in his 12:20

By TAKE THE GLOBAL WARMING TEST YOURSELF

February 12, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

Sit in you car

In your Garage

Door Shut

Start Car

Wait 15 minutes.

If that doe not convince you that humans are having an affect on the climate in many ways…

Then wait an hour or two.

That’ll solve one small problem.

By Truthman

February 12, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

Just sayin’

I presume you prefer the Rush Limbaugh/”Sgt. Bill O’Reilly nutjob type, eh!?!

At least I like girls!!

Also, all neo-conmen and women on this site who don’t like science, please don’t take your meds or use our hospitals. Just stay at home and bleed yourself or place leeches on your body to suck out the “humors.”

Bunch of backward, barnyard boobs!!

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

Blackadder,

I think rushncap’s 12:20 point is pretty much mooted by Craig’s response at 12:34, not that you probably care.

By Cal

February 12, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

The MSM bias is becoming wwaaaayyyy too clear in the Libby trial. Nobody except the conspiracy hungry bush/cheney bashers have been following it.

It’s getting more interesting now though. The MSM has been conspiring against Bush from day one. Just look at the CBS Dan Rather fiasco.

Nailed Rather and they’re all gonna get nailed again. WaPo reporters, NYT reporters. Who says you can’t nail jello to the wall?

FREE SCOOTER LIBBY.

By Dr.Doom

February 12, 2007 12:50 PM | Link to this

TAKE THE GLOBAL WARMING TEST YOURSELF,

You are the biggest imbecile to ever spew their venom on this blog. Of course a running engine in a closed garage is dangerous because its closed dumba$$! The only thing you proved to us is that you obviously escaped from some nuthouse and you’re at the library using a shared computer to announce to the world that you’re a sheer j*******!

By LuckoDull

February 12, 2007 12:54 PM | Link to this

By Anti Radical/ Junk Science February 12, 2007 12:38 PM WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Up to 20 percent of women who develop lung cancer have never smoked, U.S. researchers found in a study that suggests secondhand smoke may be to blame.

Only in the land of the Pinko does cigarette smoking produce more carcinogens than automobiles, coal fired power plants, asbestos, radon, wood fires……

Each year, radon kills thousands of Americans, and is responsible for 15% of lung cancers worldwide.

You keep making it up as you go Spammie and I’ll keep shoving the truth up your rear end.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

The Grammys are a fraud. It is not a “people’s choice” award, but an award from industry insiders or “peers”.

Eligibility to vote is based on this:

To become a voting member of the association an individual must be a music industry professional with creative or technical credits on six commercially released tracks (or their equivalent). These may include vocalists, conductors, songwriters, composers, engineers, producers, instrumentalists, arrangers, art directors, album notes writers, narrators and music video artists and technicians.

However, the Record Companies pad the votes for their product by giving employees phony credits as “creative directors” or “art directors” or “designers” on their cover art. Those credits permit employees to vote since they qualify according to R.I.A.A. voting eligibility rules.

Of course even if this vote padding wasn’t going on, I don’t know why an art director is anymore qualified to critique music than anyone else, but that’s the way it works.

By Cal

February 12, 2007 01:03 PM | Link to this

Adder, the only point rushncap has ever made on this site is the one that sits atop his rush-n-dump cap.

It’s all the guy has ever done here. I read.

By Runnin from America

February 12, 2007 01:07 PM | Link to this

Iraqis are on the run. At a rate of about 50,000 a month, they’re fleeing sectarian violence, targeted killings, and banditry. It’s the world’s fastest growing refugee migration, and finally, the international community is awakening to the challenge.

The US needs to find common ground on this situation with Syria, despite that nation’s pro-terrorist actions and heavy hand in Lebanon. In fact, Syria deserves praise as the region’s most generous “host” to the refugees, absorbing 600,000 to 1 million Iraqis, and giving them access to social services and schools - with almost no outside aid.

So while King George is slowly ripping Iraq to shreds, it is Syria who holds out the gentle hand of Islamic compassion to the Iraqi refugees who are running from the invading hoardes of american waterboarders.

Now, if you were one of those refugees, who would YOUR loyalty belong to, the people who invaded your country and made you homeless, or the people who took you in and gave you food, medicine, and a safe place to stay?

By Edwin Williams

February 12, 2007 01:08 PM | Link to this

I constantly saw anti-war opinions on Fox. However, right after shock and awe, those anti-war sentiments were few and far between, as I remember. Hillary and the rest of the crowd were still pretty pro-war. Fox voices plenty of anti-war opinions. Just deal with it.

By TAKE THE GLOBAL WARMING TEST YOURSELF

February 12, 2007 01:10 PM | Link to this

DR. DOOM

YOU ONE BIG FUNNY GUY.

YOU SHOULD TAKE IT FIRST.

WHEN YOU OPEN YOUR GARAGE DOOR, AND DRIVE WHERE DOES THE EXHAUST GO? IT MAGICALLY DISSAPEARS, RIGHT? THERE”S NO CUMULATIVE EFFECT, RIGHT

YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

BREATHE DEEP, FEED YOUR KIDS SOME MERCURY, AND BUY A HOUSE UNDER ELECTRICAL LINES.

WE WON”T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT YOU OR YOUR OFFSPRING FOR LONG.

By Edwin Williams

February 12, 2007 01:13 PM | Link to this

Iceman - Fox News Watch has 3 liberals and two conservatives. Gable is just the most left wing.

By FURRY NEWS SOURCES FOX AND MOUSE

February 12, 2007 01:15 PM | Link to this

Though Fox News Channel frequently engaged in overt cheerleading for the war and is on record as considering itself a pro-war news outlet (Baltimore Sun, 4/2/03), Fox’s Special Report with Brit Hume had fewer U.S. officials than CBS (70 percent) and more U.S. Antiwar guests (3 percent) than PBS or CBS. Eighty-one percent of Fox’s sources were pro-war, however, the highest of any network. CBS was close on the Murdoch network’s heels with 77 percent. NBC featured the lowest proportion of pro-war voices with 65 percent.

By FURRY NEWS SOURCES FOX AND MOUSE

February 12, 2007 01:16 PM | Link to this

Though Fox News Channel frequently engaged in overt cheerleading for the war and is on record as considering itself a pro-war news outlet (Baltimore Sun, 4/2/03), Fox’s Special Report with Brit Hume had fewer U.S. officials than CBS (70 percent) and more U.S. Antiwar guests (3 percent) than PBS or CBS. Eighty-one percent of Fox’s sources were pro-war, however, the highest of any network. CBS was close on the Murdoch network’s heels with 77 percent. NBC featured the lowest proportion of pro-war voices with 65 percent.

By Talon News

February 12, 2007 01:19 PM | Link to this

So right you are Cal. The MSM is out to get us. They hate America. They distort things. They make up things. They have an agenda.

I sure am glad Republicans don’t fall for the same things. We are above all that. Honesty still means something to us.

Them activist judges are after us too!. And the college professors, and the music industry, and of course Hollywood. Oh yea and the non-believers and non-Christians. The UN also. And of course the French, and sometimes catholics. The gays hate us too. And the minorities. And the illegal aliens. And the global warming environmental wackos.

Its a conspiracy. But there are those like me and you who see through the lies. Everyone hates us. They are out to get us.

Merry Christmas.

Jeff…O~O

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2007 01:20 PM | Link to this

The heavy presence of security around Obama was also a silent reminder of the change that took place with the announcement. Michelle Obama, the candidate’s wife, acknowledged it in an interview to air on CBS’ “60 Minutes,” in which she was asked if she fears for her husband’s life as a black candidate.

“I don’t lose sleep over it because the realities are that … {{{{{as a black man … Barack can get shot going to the gas station}}}}},” Michelle Obama said in the interview, set to air Sunday night. “You can’t make decisions based on fear and the possibility of what might happen.”

A couple of observations, 1) apparently it’s never too early to play the race card and 2) Do you suppose anybody bothered to remind her of the beltway sniper?

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2007 01:20 PM | Link to this

…{{{it is Syria who holds out the gentle hand of Islamic compassion.}}}

Gentle hand of Islamic compassion?

I don’t know whether this person is a Useful Idiot fool or is willfully spreading propaganda, of the sort that makes Dictators like Caesar Chavez heroes because they buy anti-American support by giving heating oil away to gullible Americans.

btw, You may want to ask the Jordanians and other Arabs where they’ve been all these years with their “gentle hand of Islamic compassion”, since they treat the Palestinian refugees like dogs.

By TAKE THE GLOBAL WARMING TEST YOURSELF

February 12, 2007 01:22 PM | Link to this

POUR YOURSELF A GREAT

BIG COLD GLASS OF WATER

DIRECTLY FROM THE CHATTAHOOCHEE

YUM!

REFRESHMENT YOU CAN WALK ON!

By FURRY NEWS - FOX AND MOUSE

February 12, 2007 01:23 PM | Link to this

Jeff Gannon

ooooh baby!

By Cal

February 12, 2007 01:28 PM | Link to this

The mighty Obama has spoken. I don’t know about others here, but it all sounds pretty familiar to me. It’s damn easy being a politician campaigning. It’s a lot tougher when you’re the President actually carrying out THE PLAN.

How old is Obama? Did he really say this to one of our allies?

Howard has deployed 1400, so if he is to fight the good fight in Iraq, I would suggest that he calls up another 20,000 Australians and sends them to Iraq. Otherwise it’s just a bunch of empty rhetoric.” Of course, Australia has an army of 50,000, compared to America’s more than one million. If it did send half of its army half a world away, would Obama like to pick up the slack in East Timor or Australia’s other peacekeeping operations? I thought not.

So much for Obama’s skills in diplomacy. He’s a little confused about who the enemy is. Maybe his liberal sensibilities were wounded.

HOWARD ROCKS!

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 01:29 PM | Link to this

Talon News,

I know you were kidding and you know you were kidding but Cal now thinks you’re his best friend. Be careful with the sarcasm :-)

By Jeff Gannon

February 12, 2007 01:31 PM | Link to this

RW, do you need a date for this weekend? Do you want the uniform or will civies be OK?

By Junk Science

February 12, 2007 01:32 PM | Link to this

By LuckoDull February 12, 2007 12:54 PM- You keep making it up as you go Spammie and I’ll keep shoving the truth up your rear end.

Well, whatsamatta Dull? I’m agreein with ya 100%. Pinko junk science claims that global warming is worsend by the actions of human beings and their wastes, and they have been telling us for years that cigarette smokin causes lung cancer. Your absolutely right comrade, pinko liberal junk science is just trying to ruin the tobacco industry like it is tryin to destroy other american industry. You da bomb, bro.

By LMAO

February 12, 2007 01:34 PM | Link to this

Blackadder- Re your 1:29. LMAO!!!

RW, do you really think the republican hatchet job is going to work again. Man, some of you people seem desperate.

By Paul

February 12, 2007 01:35 PM | Link to this

Devastator 12:35

Could be a fun with terminology thing. Fox has a number of shows - with some avowedly conservative hosts. Some are more entertainment than news. But granting some on the news side are - the standard line from other networks and people is “I don’t know of any liberals in our network. Even if there were, we just report the news. We don’t let our views influence the news reports” (Andrea Mitchell, about two weeks ago). I think that’s just a little disingenuous.

So Fox has newscasters who let their bias show. Other networks have no bias. Really, now.

Like I said - the far right folks - like Hannity - doesn’t even admit to being a newsperson. Olbermann over at MSNBC sure does. Sometimes it just strikes me that a blanket dismissal of an entire network (Greta Van Seusteran (sp), for example) makes it easy to avoid concrete issues.

By rushncap

February 12, 2007 01:38 PM | Link to this

You’re telling us, Muffin, that it’s appalling that Grammys are voted upon by those who know and understand music as opposed to someone like you or me? Newsflash: Grammys aren’t about the most “popular” music, but about what the voters judge to be the “best”. How that is defined is beyond me, but being indignant that it’s voted upon by people who at least somewhat know what they’re talking about is ridiculous.

By Dusty

February 12, 2007 01:40 PM | Link to this

Dear Truthman @ 12:06,

Jim Wooten is not an apologist for anyone. He practices our much beloved freedom of speech. If you don’t like him or conservatives, it is not his fault. He’s honest.

You call yourself truthful. Why is that?

And speaking of “Dixiecrap” as you put it, go listen to your Dixie Chix numbers to reenforce your politics. I hope they stay “on key” better than you do.

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2007 01:42 PM | Link to this

Speaking of Global Warming and carbon monoxide -

The activists and the scientists proponing global warming point to increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere over time. Unfortunately, there are no records of long term monitoring available except at one station in the Hawaiian Islands. While those trying to prove global warming point to the station as proof of increasing carbon dioxide, a crucial error was made in location. In the 1950s, the Scripps Institute thought it would be a good idea to have a carbon dioxide monitor in a place far from other land and possible interference from industry, such as the “Big Island” of Hawaii. A reasonable idea, but their choice of location was very poor. What the Scripps Institute didn’t take into account was that volcanoes produce enormous amounts of steam, carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide and other gases. Compounding that, the Big Island’s volcanic eruptions have increased in recent years to the point where they are causing air pollution on Oahu, some 200 miles away.

The placement of the station next to major carbon dioxide sources like this and then claiming that the entire world’s carbon dioxide levels are increasing is similar in principle to putting a sensor next to a steel mill’s smokestacks and then saying that the air in the entire U.S. is filled with soot. It’s dishonest and misleading. I digress, but Oregon’s DEQ did the same thing in the 1980s to prove that the Rogue Valley (southern Oregon) had high levels of carbon monoxide. They placed a carbon monoxide sensor half a city block from an old factory whose inefficient boilers were producing large amounts of carbon monoxide. When the factory closed, the levels of carbon monoxide dropped by half and the DEQ claimed that the levels had dropped for the entire Rogue Valley when most of what the sensor had been measuring was the gas from the factory’s boilers. A true measure would have been to have sensors all over the Rogue Valley. Carbon dioxide is the same. To get a true measure of world levels of carbon dioxide, one needs sensors in many places and over a long period of time. We simply don’t have the data to indicate that carbon dioxide has decreased or increased over time.

By LMAO

February 12, 2007 01:45 PM | Link to this

Fox News wouldn’t be so bad if they actually got something right for a change. Anything.

Remember when they were all calling last summer’s Lebanon/Israeli conflict the start of WWIII? LMAO! They almost seemed sad when the conflict ended a FEW DAYS later.

Can anyone point out something one of their commentators said that acually ended up coming true?

How’s Baghdad doing today Fox?

By Goldie

February 12, 2007 01:45 PM | Link to this

{{The Dixie Chicks still haven’t figured out that freedom of speech also means the freedom to be critical of others’ opinions. It works both ways, that is what makes it so wonderful.}}

Yes, Edwin— it’s always so wonderful to see someone getting trashed and threatened for speaking out against the government — it’s the ole “love it or leave it” mentality. Don’t try to “fix it”, just “leave it” is how the mantra goes, right? Just get in line with the other rightwing heel-clickers and salute your dictator…

By TAKE THE GLBAL WARMING TEST YOURSELF

February 12, 2007 01:51 PM | Link to this

SEEMS ITS TOO LATE FOR SOME FOLKS.

THE BRAIN DAMAGE HAS ALREADY OCCURRED AND THEY THINK THEY ARE NORMAL.

THEY THINK…NO THATS WRONG THEY REPEAT.

TAKE A CHUNK OF THAT HAZE OVER ATLANTA EVERY AFTERNOON AND AND PUT THAT IN YOUR POTPOURRI BURNER.

By LuckoDull

February 12, 2007 01:51 PM | Link to this

By rushncap February 12, 2007 01:38 PM Newsflash: Grammys aren’t about the most “popular” music, but about what the voters judge to be the “best”.

Which is even more reason why the “Dixie Chicks” shouldn’t have gotten any awards.

I know the Grammy’s and rushncap think the fans that buy music are nothing but trash, a bunch of Jesus loving idiots that should be killed instead of heard from.

Danish: I know, the “Chicks” had the 16th best selling album of 2006, they shouldn’t have even been considered. Even more, think of how many of those sales were mindless pinko hacks holding their noses and buying some redneck tunes just so they could at Bush anyway possible.

This whole sordid Grammy affair is almost as bad as how they give out Pulitzers, right Mikey?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

By ROTFL

February 12, 2007 02:01 PM | Link to this

The d chicks look like 3 Jacka~~es chewing briers in their pics from last night!

ROTFL!

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2007 02:08 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Thanks for pointing out how the music labels manipulate the grammy voting. There will be those like rushncap that think anyone working at a record company is qualified to vote on the best music, obviously that’s absurd.

rushncap,

Assuming you ever get a job and want to invest some money, do you think the window washer at Goldman Sachs is “in the know” enough for you?

By rushncap

February 12, 2007 02:15 PM | Link to this

Stalk — I thought I was always the one that addressed you first. What’s the matter, can’t remember what you lied about just a couple of days ago?

As for window washers, I’m not sure. Are you trying to figure out if your investment broker knows what he is doing?

And, out of curiosity, who do you feel is “qualified” to vote on best music? ($10 says Stalker boy evades this question.)

By Scooter

February 12, 2007 02:30 PM | Link to this

See how the Bush propaganda machine works. Now we hear about Iran, Iran, Iran. The neocons fools gobble it up.

By Luckodull

February 12, 2007 02:33 PM | Link to this

Our military couldn’t defeat Santa Anna.

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2007 02:39 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Are you going to tell me that you know more about the music biz now?

I’m telling you that they pad the votes by giving people fake credits, and as an aside, just because people design album covers doesn’t mean they know squat about music.

By IN THE NEWS

February 12, 2007 02:40 PM | Link to this

From the Sydney Morning Herald-

THE Prime Minister’s intervention in the US presidential campaign has left members of the senior foreign affairs establishment and his own backbench confounded.

There was much second guessing as to what prompted Howard to link a Democratic presidential hopeful with al-Qaeda as he did on Sunday, but the overwhelming consensus was that the Prime Minister had suffered a lapse of judgement.

Of late, foreign affairs figures have been noting with disquiet Howard’s awkward position over the US alliance. Because of the way he has chosen to personalise the relationship between Australia and the US - identifying it so closely with his friendship with President George Bush - they warned the alliance would become increasingly tricky to manage as next year’s presidential elections neared.

By The Peoples for a Nuked' Amerika' Century~!

February 12, 2007 02:40 PM | Link to this

-=-

First! To Lucky Srike Dull-Andy “Smoke em’ if yah got em’”

grins.

We don’t mind - Really!

-=-

Even Bush agrees that “Global Warming” is occurring, and by what past records we do have, this warming trend appears to be heavily influenced by Man.

Most quote the “Carbon Release” in the atmosphere and “Greenhouse Gasses”. But it could also be affected by other things mankind does to our environment.

Consider this!

We now have more Microwave towers and other high frequency broadcasting towers than ever before.

More surface of the earth is populated and concrete and asphalt are known to cause city sparawl heat increases as it absorbs sunlight rather than reflect it.

Some research into Cow methane increasing greenhouse gas has been done, but has research been done into the human produced methan (the same way) and our much larger population base?

Other atmospheric polutants, such as banned aerosols just now reaching the troposhere levels of our atmosphere.

What we do know is there are very clear indicators of changes in the planets environments that do not bode well for mankind.

http://news.mongabay.com/2005/1117-corals.html

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/Science/AndesGlaciersGlance.html

If this is natural causes, then the fates will most likely play mankind a very dirty hand that causes a massive loss of humanity (if not all). A rise of 6 degrees in “overall earth temp” will actually wipe us out.

If it is not natural causes then we had best do everything in our power to resolve this issue ASAP.

So the question that really remains here, is that if mankind can actually do something about it. — Will we!?

Thomas/PNAC

-=-

By IN THE NEWS

February 12, 2007 02:41 PM | Link to this

Reader Poll

John Howard and Barack Obama
Rate the PM’s remarks

He was right to make them - 12%

What else could he say? - 6%

He put his foot in it - 82%

Total Votes: 17500

By rushncap

February 12, 2007 02:44 PM | Link to this

Danish, could you kindly point us in the direction of me claiming “more about the music biz”? Frankly your conspiracy theories are a bit tiresome. Is everyone out to get you? The Grammies don’t go the way you want, they must be out to make Muffin angry?

By IN THE NEWS

February 12, 2007 02:46 PM | Link to this

The top American military officer, General Peter Pace, declined Monday to endorse the conclusions of U.S. military officers in Baghdad, who told reporters on Sunday that the Iranian government is providing high-powered roadside bombs to insurgents in Iraq. General Pace made his comments during a visit to Australia, and VOA’s Al Pessin reports from Canberra.

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2007 02:49 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

This should be obvious, but I guess I need to spell this out for you.

I forgot to add that the Record Companies vote with their pocketbooks -for the music that their labels produce, not because they think its the best music.

That does not mean that everyone who votes works for a Record Company, but that his a huge source of block voting.

As a Socialist, you should really hate that it’s more about capitalistic greed than artistic product being judged by the people who actually buy music (unlike record label/ grammy voting personnel who get it for free).

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 02:54 PM | Link to this

Bill Kristol just claimed that Obama would have been pro-slavery.

Calling a black man pro-slavery isn’t just insane, it strikes me as overtly racist as well. The only reason Kristol is throwing this bizarre charge against Obama is because Obama is black. And I wonder whether Kristol is hoping that Obama reacts by saying something like “As a black man…” - i.e., give the majority-white public a quick dose of “remember, Obama is B-L-A-C-K.”

And big surprise, the racist broadcast was on FOX. Who else gives Bill Kristol the time of day? Other than Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert when they want to ridicule him. The funny thing is he keeps coming back for more.

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2007 02:55 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

You always claim you know more about everything except golf, so I scientifically deduced that that included the music biz.

The fact is that I could not care less who wins a Grammy and who doesn’t. I’m merely pointing out the reality of how the process works.

By rushncap

February 12, 2007 02:55 PM | Link to this

So what you’re telling us is that you’re upset by a meaningless award, is that right Muffin? Why exactly do you even care who wins the Grammies? I wasn’t even aware of the fact that they were this weekend. Why do you have your panties in a bunch?

By N-GA

February 12, 2007 02:56 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You posted: “As far as “vindication” for the DC - nonsense. Either they turned out a good album, or their fans’ anger has faded, or… the Grammy voters saw another opportunity to stick it to the Administration, in a roundabout way. But their sales, or the awards, don’t “validate” a political position.” under a post addressed to me. I did a search on “validate” and “vindicate” and only found them used in your post. Neither I nor anyone else used that argument.

As far as ClearChannel communications, my neighbor has worked there for years and says if you don’t lean “right”, your tenure will be short. So I am confident it didn’t take many emails or phonecalls to get them to stop playing Dixie Chicks music. In point of fact I strongly believe (IMO) that they and Fox “created” this news. Nobody stopped playing Willy Nelson music when he made his Bush/Iraq comments. Does that spell politics or hypocrisy?

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 02:58 PM | Link to this

At a farewell reception at Blair House for the retiring chief of protocol, Don Ensenat, who was President Bush’s Yale roommate, the president shook hands with Washington Life Magazine’s Soroush Shehabi. “I’m the grandson of one of the late Shah’s ministers,” said Soroush, “and I simply want to say one U.S. bomb on Iran and the regime we all despise will remain in power for another 20 or 30 years and 70 million Iranians will become radicalized.”

“I know,” President Bush answered.

“But does Vice President Cheney know?” asked Soroush.

President Bush chuckled and walked away.

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2007 03:01 PM | Link to this

Bwahahahahahahahaha.

Tin Foil Hat PNAC speaks!

{{{Consider this! We now have more Microwave towers and other high frequency broadcasting towers than ever before.}}}

What’s the frequency PNAC?

By N-GA

February 12, 2007 03:02 PM | Link to this

Who is the GOP most frightened of? It must be Obama. Shoot, Hillary is what, 30 points ahead of Obama? Yet it seems like every time you turn around it is Obama who is getting smeared.

It was the wing-nut yahoo who started the Madrassa thing, echoed by Fox even after it was shown to be a lie. Then we have the Aussie prime minister who is in bed with Bush and Murdoch. Then Bill Kristol and a host of others.

They fear him because regardless of his position on the Democratic ticket, he will pull a lot of votes.

The GOP is a party of Bedwetters.

By TAKE THE GLOBAL WARMING TEST YOURSELF

February 12, 2007 03:04 PM | Link to this

More than 3.2 million Georgia residents live in areas where ozone pollution and smog have made it unsafe to breathe the air.25 Metro Atlanta is among the worst violators of the federal standards for ground-level ozone, with a dangerously high ozone level. Most of the problem is caused by motor vehicle emissions. As a result, the 13-county Atlanta region has been ineligible to receive federal highway funds for new road projects in the past two years, because it has not devised a plan that would bring it into compliance with the federal air quality standards.26

Pollution knows no geographical boundaries. As metropolitan areas expand, so does the air pollution. It can be expected that other urban areas in Georgia will face problems similar to those faced by Atlanta if growth is not reduced soon.

Toxic chemicals released in Georgia doubled between 1996 and 1998. In 1996, 61 million pounds were released; in 1998, 121 million pounds were released.27

By LuckoDull

February 12, 2007 03:04 PM | Link to this

According to data Stephens cited, Alusi is not alone. The University of Michigan’s Institute for Social Research found that between 2004 and 2006 the number of Iraqis who support the idea of an Islamic state declined from 30 percent to 22 percent. Meanwhile, those who favor separating religion and politics rose from 27 percent to 41 percent. In Baghdad, where sectarian violence has been most frequent, the number of people who see themselves as Iraqis first and Muslims second has doubled to 60 percent. And the percentage of Iraqis who say it “very important” for their nation to be a democracy has risen from 59 percent to 65 percent.

Huh, that’s the same number of people, 65%, granted not Iraqis though, that are against Bush and democracy in America.

Maybe we could send you pinkos to Iraq, bring the Iraqis here and declare victory for Al Qaeda.

Everybody would be happy then.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2007 03:09 PM | Link to this

I LOVE the New Europe! Happy Valentine’s Day Vaclav Klaus!

Q: Don’t you believe that we’re ruining our planet?

A: I will pretend that I haven’t heard you. Perhaps only Mr Al Gore may be saying something along these lines: a sane person can’t.

By LOCAL RECRUITER

February 12, 2007 03:09 PM | Link to this

Did someone call me?

“Maybe we could send you pinkos to Iraq, bring the Iraqis here and declare victory for Al Qaeda.”

I assume that LUCKODULLARD is posting from Baghdad.

By The Peoples for a Nuked' Amerika' Century~!

February 12, 2007 03:11 PM | Link to this

-=-

As a published recording artist myself I DO know how the insides of the music industry works. I also know the industry from the broadcasting side as well.

And Yes - I do have to agree with “Buy Danish” on her 12:55pm post.

(OH NO! - Did the world just end?)

[It is not a “people’s choice” award, but an award from industry insiders or “peers”.]

Whenever it is industry insider voting, there is always going to be favoritism and marketing plotted bias voting. But that’s the way it has always been. Sort of like the days of Radio Station “payola”, only now it’s cleaner and “legally” combed through before airing.

Although legitimate “Peer” voting occurs, there is usually a “Money and Image” angle for the music industry insiders as well. RIAA has great influence her too.

I still resent the biased censorship of “Dixie Chicks” by “Clear Channel”.

To me, - that is even worse than the old “Payola Scams” of the olden golden days of radio.

Media control for political puroses is a clear threat to “Freedom of Speech” because of the sheer power and influence that broadcast Media has on a society.

It is very close to actual Mind Control. Just ask any Advertising agency what is more effective. An up-front product ad, or a subliminal message ad?

To repeat on all media outlets that this “thing/person/idea” is “bad/evil” over and over again, will eventually make the target audience believe it.

Clear Channel did a serious dis-service to all Americans when they took the course that they did of censorship.

And for that reason I believe it is time to return “Fair and Equal time” in broadcasting, when it comes to political viewpoints.

Thomas/PNAC (No One will ever have the class of the old “Evans & Novak” “Crossfire” when it comes to honorable and equal debate)

By bt

February 12, 2007 03:14 PM | Link to this

Timmeh is the bottom.

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 03:15 PM | Link to this

Why does Bush hate our troops?

Then there’s this.

And some people still support that fool.

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2007 03:16 PM | Link to this

rushncap darling,

It’s your panties that are in a bunch, sweetie, not mine. I have simply stated the objective truth and you are arguing with me for no sane reason.

By rushncap

February 12, 2007 03:24 PM | Link to this

OK Muffin, you tried to insult me, great, whatever. You still aren’t answering the question: why the h3ll do you care what happens at the Grammies?

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2007 03:25 PM | Link to this

PNAC,

The R.I.A.A. only has influence in that they make up the rules. They have no influence over how people vote.

Meanwhile your plan for “fair and balanced” radio is a prescription to destroy freedom of speech, so you are completely delusional as usual, although I’m sure they’d love you in places like Communist China.

As for the “censorship” of the Dixie Chicks that was the result of the radio audience calling into the stations and speaking - in other words employing their free speech rights in protest.

Finally, if you think payolla doesn’t exist any more, then what was Elliot Spitzer up to?

By Paul

February 12, 2007 03:26 PM | Link to this

N-GA 2:56

I didn’t mean to imply “vindicate” was applied to you - had a new paragraph, was just preempting what I saw as a comeback from someone else.

I heard the “vindicate” argument from a friend this morning - he had a good point. When I said Grammy awards don’t vindicate past political comments, his reply was, True - but I’ll be a lot of people who were ticked at DCs a couple years ago look at Iraq and don’t feel quite so ticked. True, true.

That is a truly scary place where your friend works. Almost as scary as walking into a New York Times board meeting and saying “I’ve been watching O’Reilly - that guy really makes a lot of sense on some issues!” :)

BlackAdder 2:54

{{Calling a black man pro-slavery isn’t just insane, it strikes me as overtly racist as well}}

I take it your comment was restricted to the US. But here’s a fun question - care to guess where in the world slavery is practiced nowadays? As opposed to where it is definitely outlawed?

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 03:34 PM | Link to this

Paul, Women from Eastern Europe are bonded into domestic labor or prostitution. Children are trafficked between West African countries and men are forced to work as slaves on Brazilian agricultural estates. These people are enslaved because existing laws are not enforced. These are but a few examples.

Now tell me what the heck that has to do with outrageous, baiting statements by neocon Bill Kristol.

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2007 03:34 PM | Link to this

Really just hear in my food encrusted, roach infested hovel with my filthy unwashed body, thinking about everything I hate. Even starting to hate scumbag Bush. Only time I’m happy seems to be when I’m with the greasers at Talladega. God I hate life. I hate you too. Now shut tfu.

By Buy Danish

February 12, 2007 03:37 PM | Link to this

{{Toxic chemicals released in Georgia doubled between 1996 and 1998. In 1996, 61 million pounds were released; in 1998, 121 million pounds were released.27}}

Global warming fanatic,

Gosh, that was during the Clinton Presidency and the Zell Miller Governorship. Say it ain’t so! Democrats are polluters!

rushncap,

The more interesting question is - Why do you care whether I care or not? What’s your freaking point, if you have one?

By LuckoDull

February 12, 2007 03:37 PM | Link to this

C’mon in Dusty. Have a cookie. I just baked em. Have a seat. Chris’ll be right with you.

By Paul

February 12, 2007 03:43 PM | Link to this

BlackAdder

You are describing forms of bondage, which numerous governmental bodies have labeled “slavery.” But actual slavery, they buying and selling of people, takes place in Africa. Some Arab peoples are involved, also.

Didn’t have a thing to do with a dumb comment by Kristol - I was just struck by the assertion calling a black person pro-slavery is racist, is, when restricted to the US, fair enough, but when broadened outside US borders - it’s incorrect.

It’s also one area (human trafficking) where this administation has done some very good work. Iraq isn’t everything -

By Chuck

February 12, 2007 03:44 PM | Link to this

WOW WOW WOW

FIVE - Dixie Chicks won Five Awards last night.

See http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=349548

After The Police opened the 49th annual Grammy Awards on Sunday night with a Reggae-infused version of “Roxanne,” the Dixie Chicks went home with the night’s highest honor for Album of the Year for Taking The Long Way. The Chicks won more awards than any other act, taking home five in all, including Record of the Year and Song of the Year for “Not Ready To Make Nice.”

WOW WOW WOW

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 03:45 PM | Link to this

Witness the hilarious hypocrisy:

{{{By rushncap

February 12, 2007 02:55 PM

So what you’re telling us is that you’re upset by a meaningless award, is that right Muffin? Why exactly do you even care who wins the Grammies? I wasn’t even aware of the fact that they were this weekend. Why do you have your panties in a bunch?}}}

I reply -

{{{By Buy Danish

February 12, 2007 03:16 PM

rushncap darling,

It’s your panties that are in a bunch, sweetie, not mine. I have simply stated the objective truth and you are arguing with me for no sane reason.}}}

Whining Rushncap with hurt feelings replies:

{{{By rushncap

February 12, 2007 03:24 PM

OK Muffin, you tried to insult me, great, whatever.}}}

By TAKE THE GLOBAL WARMING TEST YOURSELF

February 12, 2007 03:45 PM | Link to this

YES< DEMOCRATS DID IT> REPUBLICANS DID IT> INDEPENDENTS DID IT> EVEN LITTLE SOCCER MOMS DID IT>

ETC, ETC, ETC

SO CAN WE ALL STOP IT?

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 03:49 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Don’t forget that that African slavery occurs because of the “loving hand of Islam” too.

By rushncap

February 12, 2007 03:51 PM | Link to this

I knew you’d avoid my question. You always do.

To answer yours: I like to watch you squirm. It amuses me. I find watching you try to weasel out of things funny.

Clear enough?

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 03:52 PM | Link to this

Paul - I realize now that I may not have been as specific as I could have been.

Bill Kristol thinks Obama would have sided with the pro-slavery cabal in America during the run up to the civil war. He attacked his Iraq policy by comparing him to Stephen Douglas.

Sorry for being a bit vague.

By rushncap

February 12, 2007 03:53 PM | Link to this

Ummmm, Muffin, darling, look up the meaning of “hypocricy”. Then get back to me.

Hint: I never said I didn’t insult you. I do it quite frequently. Cheerio.

By Blackadder

February 12, 2007 03:54 PM | Link to this

You all have a wonderful evening. I’m out for today.

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 03:55 PM | Link to this

WOW WOW WOW!

I did a Google search of my maiden name and I found out that I was the art director on an album that came out in 2005!!

I haven’t worked in the music biz since 1994.

They must have been looking for that Grammy Vote from me. What I want to know is, who got my ballot?

And where is my paycheck for that art direction?

I think I need a lawyer.

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 03:56 PM | Link to this

I’m the real deal, yessir, I am.

Real stupid, real hypocrite, and all around real loser.

By The Peoples for a Nuked' Amerika' Century~!

February 12, 2007 04:00 PM | Link to this

-=-

Danish - RIAA uses those rules (like a club) in conjunction with the major labels to greatly influence the industry choices and favorites.

Mostly through their starnglehold control of DRM. If you want to be published with the likes of BMG/Sony then you will cater and cowtow to the political direction of the RIAA Mafia.

Just ask “Prince” who had to change his name to a symbol because the major labels owned his very namesake and threatened him.

So instead of “Fair and Balanced” broadcasting with all sides getting their input into the debate of an issue, you would prefer them cowered by majority rule with the opposing viewpoint crushed in favor of the wealthy and most powerful. Big Brother style!

Uh-huh! yeah right! It was all a common movement (on select Clear Channel stations) by protesters.

So Danish, please tell me, which Clear Channel affiliates actually played the obviously popular “Dixie Chicks” Music? And just how many protested against the “Chicks” versus how many people requested them? — Can you say Politically motivated censorship by a big media company?!

And I never said Payola didn’t still exist it most certainly does - errr — I mean — Oh wait!

I violated the 2 disclaimers

I was suppose to remember to say that “Payola doesn’t really exist” and I’m also not suppose to ever mention my secret Swiss bank account number!

Thomas/PNAC

-=-

By Paul

February 12, 2007 04:00 PM | Link to this

BlackAdder

Thanks for expanding the story. Kristol must’ve been wacked from a hard weekend - gotta wonder how people with that experience can say such things. Then again, we’ve bad Biden, et al in the past few weeks - this is shaping up to be a fun primary.

By Midori

February 12, 2007 04:03 PM | Link to this

CIA Analysts: Over 50% Of Bush’s Iraq War Justifications Untrue Los Angeles Times | February 10, 2007 05:32 PM

As the Bush administration began assembling its case for war, analysts across the U.S. intelligence community were disturbed by the report of a secretive Pentagon team that concluded Iraq had significant ties to Al Qaeda.

Analysts from the CIA and other agencies “disagreed with more than 50%” of 26 findings the Pentagon team laid out in a controversial paper, according to testimony Friday from Thomas F. Gimble, acting inspector general of the Pentagon.

……………….

“They weren’t creating intelligence, but they were assembling the pieces to create a rationale for war,” Crowley said. “Their production was discredited, but they had the desired effect. The little pieces ended up infecting the process.”

By Mike

February 12, 2007 04:09 PM | Link to this

Link: N. Korea tentatively agrees to nuclear deal

Wow, that’s a pretty important story. Of course there is no mention of it at all on AJC.com. The AJC would never print anything that reflects positively on the Bush administration.

Of course, there is no bias at the AJC. They said so themselves.

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 04:18 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Squirm about what, jackass? I did not start the topic of the Dixie Chicks as Grammy Winners today, I merely pointed out the fact that these awards are a fraud.

I know that because I worked in Record Business for 20 years and I know how the whole process works.

I have nothing to hide, I don’t care about your question one way or the other.

I just find it interesting that you care so much about why I “care” about the Grammys. Which I don’t - although you claim that I do.

Is it because an arrogant little squirt like you can’t believe that an older and wiser conservative like me cares about music?

What IS your point, child?

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 04:24 PM | Link to this

PNAC,

If you are saying that the R.I.A.A. has a role in the nominating process then you are probably right, but they have nothing to do with the voting process.

What does Prince’s lawsuit with Warner Bros have to do with the Grammys? Nothing?

What does ANY of this have to do with who gets their records played (which has NOTHING to do with the Fairness Doctrine).

It wouldn’t surprise me though if you were in favor of legislation that forced radio stations to play music from every album that is released whether it sucks or not, just to be “fair”.

By rushncap

February 12, 2007 04:27 PM | Link to this

Oooh, “jackass”. You’re getting better at this insult business, Muffin. Moving up to 3rd grade level, finally.

The Grammys are not a fraud. They are what they are: a night of industry self-congratulation. You’re acting as if they claim divine mandate to reward best music in the galaxy. They are just a gala by insiders for insiders.

Thanks for the “older and wiser” joke. Well, hey, you got it half right.

By N-GA

February 12, 2007 04:31 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I appreciate your observations about slavery. It is much more widespread that most Americans would believe. However, I have to comment on BD’s inane statement: “Don’t forget that that African slavery occurs because of the “loving hand of Islam” too.”

She won’t listen to me when I point out the egregious flaw in her conclusion that slavery occurs {{because of}} the loving hand of Islam. Why don’t you try. Perhaps your words will be more soothing and less abrasive than mine would be. BTW…by no means am I trying to put you in the middle of anything.

By Paul

February 12, 2007 04:32 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish 3:48

{{Don’t forget that that African slavery occurs because of the “loving hand of Islam” too.}}

Precisely. And when that story starts breaking out more, and there are more calls to “do something” - how much longer can Darfur go on? - well, there are people who now want us out of Arab lands who will be leading the charge (figuratively speaking, or course - you don’t really think our erstwhile recruiter will get anywhere near boot camp, do you?).

By Huge

February 12, 2007 04:33 PM | Link to this

To the poster at 4:18. Please define the word conservative and provide examples that apply to you. No sound bites or empty phrases, please. Thank you.

By N-GA

February 12, 2007 04:36 PM | Link to this

I just now read some the copy quoting Prime Minister Howard of Australia and Senator Obama’s response:

P.M. Howard: “If I were running Al Qaeda in Iraq, I would put a circle around March 2008 and be praying as many times as possible for a victory, not only for Obama but also for the Democrats.”

Sen. Obama noted that Australia has only 1,400 troops in Iraq.

“If he’s ginned up to fight the good fight in Iraq, I would suggest that he calls up another 20,000 Australians and sends them to Iraq. Otherwise it’s just a bunch of empty rhetoric.

“Ginned up”…..LMAO!!!!!!!

By Dusty

February 12, 2007 04:41 PM | Link to this

Paul,

What reason did Kristol give for saying that he thought Obama would have been pro-slavery in pre-Civil War times? I have heard Kristol a few times and he sounded very sensible. Something seems to be missing here.

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 04:41 PM | Link to this

rushncap jackass,

You’re awfully slow today. Up too late with your favorite XXX material?

How would you know whether or not the Grammies are a fraud? Yes, it is an “insider” event, I’ve already stated that. I’m talking about the phony voting process, dumbass.

Once again - many of the people who vote don’t deserve to vote because the Record Companies lie and give them credit as art directors and such when the truth is that they aren’t.

Further, many people vote at the behest of their record label, so that their record company will win the Grammy and make money for their record company, not because they like the music.

I’m trying to expose you to the truth, munchkin, but you are being terribly rebellious. Just like a child.

By Paul

February 12, 2007 04:43 PM | Link to this

Okay, N-GA - let me clarify “precisely.” It occurs in an area of the world where Islam holds sway. There are people of all faiths who will never let their religion get in the way of making a buck (or any other form of currency). That does not (emphasis) mean Islam sanctions slavery nowadays - but it does illustrate evil can and does occur in many, many areas - regardless of the prevailing faith or the zealous enforcement of it in other areas.

The second part was a reemphasis - regardless of intervention based upon good intentions, it would - as we have already seen - become a rallying point for our enemies.

As with N Korea, this may be an area where severe economic sanctions could prove effective. Only difficulty with those is, they usually hit, and hit hardest, the very people we’re trying to assist.

By Paul

February 12, 2007 04:50 PM | Link to this

Dusty - I do not know. All I know is what I’ve heard here - one would almost hope there’s a “rest of the story” - if he was another commentator I’d expect some esoteric historical rationale leading to a conclusion. But as I said, this sounds rathere wacked. Why would anyone, for any argument, want to go there, given America’s political climate?

N-GA

“Ginned up.” Comments like that are why a lot of people like this guy.

BTW - try Citadel. Good gin. Maybe Kristol just had some? It’s made in France.

By rushncap

February 12, 2007 04:57 PM | Link to this

Wow, mommy, gee, thanks for “exposing me to the truth”. Don’t know what I would do without you.

P.S. Long message. One question: so what?

By Swiftvoter

February 12, 2007 05:00 PM | Link to this

Now, it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt that we were wrong to support the war in Iraq, albeit misled.

The Dixie Chicks were right all along.

The underlying question is: why did Bush push the invasion of Iraq?

Historically speaking, I just can’t believe that a quick $12 Billion was worth it for dubya.

By N-GA

February 12, 2007 05:01 PM | Link to this

Paul, thanks for the clarification. Perhaps BD will read it and understand that her words could just as easily been “Don’t forget that American slavery occurs because of the “loving hand of Christianity” too.” when put in the context of America prior to the War Between the States.

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 05:02 PM | Link to this

To the Blowhard poster at 4:33:

GFY.

Ater your disgusting performance at Wooten’s this weekend I’m seriously wondering why you’re not at a Santitation Department blog because all that comes out of your mouth is vulgar garbage.

By N-GA

February 12, 2007 05:09 PM | Link to this

Paul,

The two gins that I find appealing are Plymouth (England) and Hendrick’s (Scotland). Both are suitable for martinis. I can handle any decent gin in a gin & tonic or a gimlet. Of course gin is like bar-b-que….a very personal choice.

BTW, it’s just after 5:00. Happy hour!!

Cheers!

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 05:10 PM | Link to this

rushncap child,

You can’t handle the truth, babykins. Believe me, if it turned out that Haliburton was running the Grammies you’d care a lot.

Now, YOU certainly care enough to be hounding me for I don’t know how many posts now.

Apparently I haven’t given you the answer you’re looking for, so you’re tugging me like a demanding toddler who wants his fairy tale read to him NOW or babykins will have a great big tantrum.

By Paul

February 12, 2007 05:15 PM | Link to this

I have a bottle of Plymouth in my bar - Citadel I do rocks. Prefer lemon - zest around the glass rim - for a martini. Sounds like a good idea for tonight -

Cheers!

By Huge

February 12, 2007 05:16 PM | Link to this

Laughable and just as I suspected!

The now thin-skinned little bigot who dishes it out by the toilet load but can’t take it in return, COULDN’T POSSIBLY DEFINE AMERICAN CONSERVATISM.

Nor how on earth it could remotely apply to her and those demented ideas she and her mental midget friends share. Or just as likely she is just plain embarrassed to portray herself as one, knowing full well she’ll be exposed as the fraud that she truly is.

Gutlessness and fraudulence. No surprises there…

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 05:17 PM | Link to this

Tedious goat N-GA,

This is where that IRONIC phrase comes from, which I used SATIRICALLY in response to this extraordinarily fatuous statement.

{{{Runnin from America

February 12, 2007 01:07 PM | Link to this

So while King George is slowly ripping Iraq to shreds, it is Syria who holds out the gentle hand of Islamic compassion to the Iraqi refugees who are running from the invading hoardes of american waterboarders.}}}

By rushncap

February 12, 2007 05:25 PM | Link to this

Getting better, Muffin, getting a little better. Glad I’m helping you improve a touch.

BTW, I couldn’t care less if Satan himself ran the Grammies. I do care that he’s running our country though…

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 05:25 PM | Link to this

Dusty & Paul,

Here is the transcript and video of Bill Kristol’s comments about Obama who is comparing himself to Lincoln as part of his campaign. I understand what Kristol is saying.

The link is from Left wing site “Think Progress”.

By N-GA

February 12, 2007 05:26 PM | Link to this

Guy Danish,

Judging by your blogging skills (or lack, thereof) don’t quit your day job.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2007 05:31 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Keep in mind that you are taking Blackadder’s word for what Bill Kristol said, so we don’t know anything about the context or accuracy of the the quote.

rushncap,

Doing this remedial blogging for you is really showing the world what a dunce you are and since you put your real name out there for all to see one would think you wouldn’t want to bring such shame on the family.

Anyway, what I said was that I rarely address you first. Please look up the word “rarely” and write down the definition.

To specifically answer your other question, I think the Amalgamated Guild of Unionized Carnival Workers should be the music judges. Now donate my $10.00 to the Leukemia foundation.

By N-GA

February 12, 2007 05:31 PM | Link to this

Guy Danish….Here is your entire post without editing. Pray tell everyone how it is possible to infer “irony” in your post. Also, How do we know that it is from another source?:

“By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 03:49 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Don’t forget that that African slavery occurs because of the “loving hand of Islam” too.

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 05:31 PM | Link to this

Huge Blowhard,

I have no interest in discussing anything with you, unless I need advice as to where the nastiest garbage dump is located.

btw, Blowhard, since you’re clearly in need of some sort of entertainment, find the grammatical/spelling errors in this:

By Huge February 11, 2007 01:20 PM | Link to this Blah Blah Blah slime…{{{Or maybe the bigot is over and your messaging her impenetrable alligator like skin? }}}

Loser.

By LuckoDull

February 12, 2007 05:34 PM | Link to this

By Huge February 12, 2007 05:16 PM COULDN’T POSSIBLY DEFINE AMERICAN CONSERVATISM.

Hell, this is easy.

1) Knows for a fact that we were not descend from the apes.

2) Doesn’t want to be thought as descended from the apes.

3) Knows that global temperatures have risen a whole, big fat 1 degree Fahrenheit over the last century, same as it did the century before that, but doesn’t feel any overwhelming desire to wreck the economy of the United States and make us into a third world country, that will still be warmer no matter what.

4) Wears a condom during sex instead of waiting until the child is nine months old and then drilling a hole in it’s head.

5) Believes that 3,200 combat deaths is an honorable sacrifice by those who chose to give their lives, in the service of freedom for a people who were formerly oppressed and murdered by the hundreds of thousands. No matter what, finds it to be so much better than the 200,000 we lost saving the cheese eating surrender monkeys of France.

6) Believes in God The Father Almighty, Maker of Heaven and Earth and in Jesus Christ His only Son Our Lord.

7)Would never, I’m talking about never make a “plan” with a another man. Those that do, like Ted Haggard for instance, are pure bred pinkos.

8) Believes in working for a living instead of taking from those who do.

Clear enough for you, Small?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 05:37 PM | Link to this

Lying rushncap,

If you don’t care, why have you addressed numerous posts to me on the subject?

Goat,

That sorry response is exactly why I have no interest in discussing anything with you, but rest assured that if I need affirmation of my “blogging skills” I’ll let you know.

By Dusty

February 12, 2007 05:37 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I think I know what Kristol was talking about and it surely was lost, if I am correct. Kristol was talking about a “let’s all get along” speech that Obama made referring to the unpleasant divide in American politics. Kristol called him a “Stephen Douglas” because Douglas brought about the “Compromise of —-” which was an effort to stop the approaching Civil War thus considered by some to be a pro-slavery direction because Lincoln thought it would take a war to stop slavery i.e. anti-slavery.

Thus I am supposing “get along but not fight” speech by Obama was like Douglas‘“Let’s not fight (against slavery)” opinion. Comparison: no fight against war for slavery =pro-slavery. No war for Iraq equates the non-war considered proslavery stance.

I am not explaining this too well. All of this came up on Google about Douglas. Sorry I forgot the name of that Douglas Compromise in the mid 1800s.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2007 05:40 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Thanks for the link, I had a feeling Blackadder was lying through his teeth as usual. I wonder who is getting screwed over paying him to blog non-stop until 4:00 every day?

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 05:44 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

I’m sorry you feel so left out. If you’d read today’s comments it would have made perfect sense.

That is your problem, not mine.

By Paul

February 12, 2007 05:45 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the link, Buy Danish.

As usual, there’s a rest of the story. Even the headline on the blog said “pro-slavery.” He said no such thing.

{{Obama’s speech is a “can’t we get along” speech — sort of the opposite of Lincoln. He would have been with Stephen Douglas in 1858. Let’s paper over these differences, rise above politics and all get along. That’s not Giuliani’s mode. And I think in a war context, social conservatives want to win the war against Islamic jihadism.}}

Even Juan Williams sitting next to him didn’t react.

Prediction? It’ll be all over the news and the blogosphere. All these nonbiased, we just report the news types will be all over it. As a pro-slavery idiotic statement.

By N-GA

February 12, 2007 05:50 PM | Link to this

Guy Danish, the Blogging Blivet….

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 05:51 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I’m not sure if you saw it, but I left a link for you at 5:25^^^^

Isn’t Obama comparing himself to Lincoln as part of his campaign theme, just as Shrillary is comparing herself to Margaret Thatcher? Isn’t it fair for Kristol to argue that?

Huge Punk,

If you want to know how I define conservative, think of the philosophy of that magnificent President you despise and childishly deride as “Ronald RayGun”.

By Paul

February 12, 2007 05:57 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish

Hillary as Margaret Thatcher?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!

What’s particularly sad is there are people who will buy it. The only thing those two had in common was….. gosh, I dunno - do they have anything in common?

By LuckoDull

February 12, 2007 05:59 PM | Link to this

Hehehehehe:

Jurors in the CIA leak trial on Monday heard a one-minute excerpt from Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward’s tape recorder which revealed a top State Department official repeatedly discussing CIA operative Valerie Plame.

Hahahahahaha:

As for Libby, both Novak and New York Times reporter David Sanger testified that they separately interviewed him and that he never discussed Plame.

Free Libby!

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By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 06:01 PM | Link to this

rushncap recap time.

This is how many times rushncap addressed me today on the topic of the Grammies, after I posted my accurate explanation of how the process works:

1:38, 2:44, 2:55, 3:24, 3:51, 3:53, 4:27, 4:57, 5:25.

It looks like HE cares a lot.

By Huge

February 12, 2007 06:02 PM | Link to this

In other words curly is just a theocratic simpleton who also has no idea about what American conservatism is. Boy is THAT a shocker!

The poor fool is a never-served gutless chickenhawk and a pious fraud who cares more about his mythology/religion than about the future of this great nation.

We’ll skip number 5 as reading those words coming from him even once just makes decent, normal people want to puke.

And claim number 8 is incredibly hard to believe coming from a sociopath who blogs 24/7. Yes, that curly really is a contributor! But to what? No one knows!

But, moronic as his replies are, at least he didn’t hide out in a spider hole like the evasive bigot, who would have made a fine draft dodger!

By N-GA

February 12, 2007 06:04 PM | Link to this

What a bunch of hooey!! Kristol using Obama’s views in a context from another universe.

There is no way to suggest the war in Iraq (not a war on terrorism, regardless of what GWB would have you believe) warrants the same reaction as Southern “slave” states seceding from the Union.

When someone says he was against the invasion of Iraq, that does not warrant suggesting he is the polar opposite of Abraham Lincoln. That’s just political hooey. Kristol still comes across as a political hatchet-man trying to jump on a candidate (just like Fox and P.M. Howard and a host of others). I say again, the GOP fears Obama…and right (heh-heh) they should!

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 06:06 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You got it. While she does have a bit of the “Iron Lady” look to her, that is where the comparison begins and ends.

P.S. You are RW are welcome for the link. Apparently N-GA thinks I’m a “Blogging Blivet” whatever that is. Ho Hum.

By Paul

February 12, 2007 06:17 PM | Link to this

N-GA

What I picked up from the very, very brief transcript, was a discussion was going on about the location (Lincoln tie-in), there were remarks about Giuliani and his stance, they’d discussed Lincoln-Douglas and said how Lincoln said they might have to fight a war, Douglas was opposed. So Sen Obama’s in Springfield, there are Lincolnesque tie-ins, and Kristol’s comment was no, Obama isn’t Lincolnesque (“war President”) he’s more like Douglas (minimize the differences between the sides, not a “war President”).

Say what you will about their analysis of Lincoln/Douglas, it looks to me the “Kristol said Obama’s like Douglas, Douglas was for slavery, Kristol says Obama’s for slavery” is a bit off the mark. That construct is also one of those logical fallacies -

I might’ve mentioned - I know more than a few conservative (draw that word out) Republicans who are willing to give him a try - and I know more than an few left-of-center Dems who want nothing to do with him.

Care to speculate if there will be a “dirty trick” tied to Hillary’s campaign before we’re through?

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2007 06:18 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Goat boy still can’t figure out why Lincoln came up in the Obama discussion and apparently thinks Kristol pulled it out of thin air, so I wouldn’t sweat anything he’s got say.

By LuckoDull

February 12, 2007 06:21 PM | Link to this

By Huge February 12, 2007 06:02 PM We’ll skip number 5 as reading those words coming from him even once just makes decent, normal people want to puke.

Monkey Man: Oh, you don’t have to get all gloomy.

I know you were hoping that I fessed up to being a Mark Foley wanna be that admires Pat Robertson.

But that’s all in your mind.

Just another fiction like all the other things you believe in.

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By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 06:24 PM | Link to this

Will someone please explain to Tin Foil Chef N-GA, that this is what Kristol is referring to, and it has NOTHING to do with the Iraq War he continually obsesses about?

Barack Obama announced his bid for president Saturday, a black man evoking Abraham Lincoln’s ability to unite a nation and a Democrat portraying himself as a fresh face capable of leading a new generation.

By Dusty

February 12, 2007 06:25 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

But Lincoln was willing to fight a war against slavery not just talk about getting along. Stephen Douglas wanted to “get along” which meant no war against slavery.
Obama therefore sounds more like “get along” Douglas than Lincoln which is what I think Kristol meant.

In that time, Douglas was probably considered someone who did not want to fight against slavery.

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 06:27 PM | Link to this

RW,

Don’t worry, I don’t sweat anything goat boy has to say!

Although it IS highly entertaining to watch him rant sometimes, and today is one of those days.

Indeed, Goat Boy, rushncap and Blowhard are not on a roll, but on a downward spiral today.

By Huge

February 12, 2007 06:29 PM | Link to this

I told the girl not to use sound bites and empty phrases, and what does she do? Parades out the holiest of holies! The sacred name of Ronnie Raygun?

Oh boy, this just couldn’t have turned out better!

So let me see here, bigot, some of the major tenets of American conservatism are sending money and assistance to regimes that repress and murder their people.

(Maybe ricky, that paragon of researchers and the evidence decrier, will confirm these examples. Then again maybe not!)

As soon as he arrived in DC, he tried to normalize relations with Augusto Pinochet, the dictator of Chile, who was responsible for a bloody coup that overthrew a democratically elected government.

He also cozied up to the fascistic and anti-Semitic junta of Argentina, which tortured, slaughtered and disappeared its political opponents.

Not only did Ronnie embolden torturers and murders, but the CIA—following his order to support the contra rebels in Nicaragua worked with suspected drug traffickers. Don’t you just love that Ollie North?!

He oversaw a foreign policy that empowered and enabled murderous brutes and thugs in El Salvador, where the military killed as many as 30,000 men, women and children.

Ronnie’s veep Bush 41, while visiting Ferdinand Marcos, the Filipino dictator, toasted Marcos’ “adherence to democratic principles.” Nice.

And let’s not forget, little bigot, Ronnie’s attempt, through Donald Rumsfeld, to woo Saddam Hussein, even after it was known that Hussein had used chemical weapons.

Next post we’ll go over Ronnie’s stellar record on apartheid in South Africa.

Oh yeah. Now that’s what I call real American conservatism. Twit…

By rushncap

February 12, 2007 06:30 PM | Link to this

Muffin, all I care about is making you look bad. I guess I care enough to have done it half a dozen times so far today. I’m just that caring.

By N-GA

February 12, 2007 06:31 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I suspect there will be dirty tricks on/from all sides before this is over. Unfortunately not all American voters are able (or willing) to separate truth from fiction.

I got one of those emails that comes across as “truth” about Obama and the Madrassa fable. I responded with a “reply all” identifying the lies and linking to several sites where the truth was reported. One of the individuals who received my response sent a flaming email that they didn’t want to hear any more crap like that (my response).

Last year I got one about Kerry and the Iran Contra affair. The individual who sent it had a commercial byline at the bottom of the email. It came from the network of the largest Baptist Church in South Florida. I looked up their website and contacted several people at that church. Of course they disavowed all knowledge of the email.

To the point, I just get angry because the unvarnished truth just doesn’t count for anything anymore. And when someone claiming to be a Christian (I’m not talking about Kristol) sends out fiction to people knowing that many will take these lies posing as truths and spread them, I find that particularly heinous.

Troubling….

By LuckoDull

February 12, 2007 06:33 PM | Link to this

President of Czech Republic Calls Man-Made Global Warming a ‘Myth’ - Questions Gore’s Sanity. “Nevertheless it’s obvious that environmentalism is a new incarnation of modern leftism.”

I told you those Czech people were pretty smart.

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By Huge

February 12, 2007 06:34 PM | Link to this

“I know you were hoping that I fessed up to being a Mark Foley wanna be that admires Pat Robertson.”

Very, very weird. Sounds like curly has some doubts about his sexual proclivities. But why share them here?

No more shining examples of American conservatism, curly?

Fraud…

By N-GA

February 12, 2007 06:34 PM | Link to this

Good try Blivet. Just like your boy Shrub, you think you’re doing well when you are, in reality, going down in flames.

By Paul

February 12, 2007 06:35 PM | Link to this

Huge

No similar examples from liberal, Democratic presidents?

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 06:36 PM | Link to this

Awwww look. How cute!

I found a picture of N-GA’s cat.

By Paul

February 12, 2007 06:43 PM | Link to this

N-GA

Unfortunately, to many people commercial taglines carry instant credibility. You did a good thing in going direct - hopefully someone got a dressing-down from that.

Factcheck.org is gonna have their hands full this season. But for such as your responder (I’ve made up my mind - don’t give me crap facts) nothing matters.

Rather ties-in to what I’ve been reading about Mitt Romney and the abortion “flip flop.” So the guy changes his mind. Or modifies it (let’s assume for argument’s sake he didn’t take one position at one fundraiser and the opposite position at another fundraiser a week later) over the course of some years and intervening events.

Frankly, I’m not sure I’d want to vote for a person who never changed his mind on any issue over the course of the years.

Plymouth’s looking better and better about now -

By @@

February 12, 2007 06:46 PM | Link to this

Oh no, I can’t believe Obama said that to John Howard. It must have been a knee-jerk reaction. He’s awful young and inexperienced.

A lot of people have said he should have stayed with writing. That he was very talented until he entered politics. His second book “Audacity of Hope” was lacking the quality of the first. At least that’s what the critics are saying. Another writer…

I didn’t know they had bloggers in Baghdad.

Baghdad Nights — Report from Iraq

“Phew! Not the end of the universe yet!”

After some time, the convoy moved off, their engines fading slowly as the streets swallowed them up. I stood for a moment thinking about the men in those vehicles who stay up at night patrolling the dangerous streets of Baghdad to protect the few insomniacs like myself, and the millions of other sleeping Baghdadis. I said a prayer (in my own way) for their safety and went back to toss and turn in my bed.

By N-GA

February 12, 2007 06:47 PM | Link to this

Well Blivet, while you and Real Wanker sit around bragging about how you support our troops from your cozy living rooms, the DoD is announcing how a few made a real sacrifice for….what?: The Dod announced the following deaths on its web site today:

Sgt. Russell A. Kurtz, 22, of Bethel Park, Pa., died in Fallajah, Iraq, Feb. 11 of wounds suffered when an improvised explosive device detonated near his vehicle during combat operations.

Sgt. James J. Regan, 26, of Manhasset, N.Y., died Feb. 9 in northern Iraq of wounds suffered when an improvised explosive device detonated near his vehicle while on combat patrol.

Staff Sgt. Alan W. Shaw, 31, of Little Rock, Ark., Staff Sgt. Eric Ross, 26, of Kenduskeag, Maine, & Spc. Leeroy A. Camacho, 28, of Saipan, Mariana Islands died Feb. 9 in Baqubah, Iraq, of wounds suffered from an explosion during breaching operations.

Sgt. James J. Holtom, 22, of Rexburg, Idaho, Spc. Ross A. Clevenger, 21, of Givens Hot Springs, Idaho, & Pvt. Raymond M. Werner, 21, of Boise, Idaho died Feb. 8 in Karmah, Iraq, of wounds suffered when an improvised explosive device detonated near their unit while on combat patrol.

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 06:47 PM | Link to this

Lying rushncap,

You made ME look bad? I don’t think so munchkin.

Goat,

Here is a sample of your ignorant ranting which completly misunderstands what Kristol was referring to:

{{{By N-GA

February 12, 2007 06:04 PM | Link to this

What a bunch of hooey!! Kristol using Obama’s views in a context from another universe.

There is no way to suggest the war in Iraq (not a war on terrorism, regardless of what GWB would have you believe) warrants the same reaction as Southern “slave” states seceding from the Union.

When someone says he was against the invasion of Iraq, that does not warrant suggesting he is the polar opposite of Abraham Lincoln. That’s just political hooey. Blah Blah Blah}}}

Huge Porcine Blowhard,

A pig is a pig is a pig, and all the bloviating in the world won’t change that fact. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if you have a Huge Lipstick Collection to try to hide the obvious.

By Huge

February 12, 2007 06:48 PM | Link to this

Oh Paul.

This really does seem to be your stock and trade.

Take the topic away from what you don’t like hearing, and try to bring up comparisons that are not germane to the topic at hand, all in the name of fair and balanced.

You want to start an expose on Kennedy’s failings? Or Truman’s? Or any other Democrat? Fine. But if you have nothing to contribute to the Reagan as a non-conservative debate, then just wait for your turn and bring it up.

It is becoming pretty obvious to those reading you, where your real motives lie. Just don’t be ashamed to say so.

By N-GA

February 12, 2007 06:49 PM | Link to this

Paul…thanks for keeping things civil. I’m going for a 1998 Amarone!!

Cheers until tomorrow….

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2007 06:55 PM | Link to this

Blowhard,

While I do understand that you need someone to do your research, why don’t you try real hard and see if you accurately do something by yourself for once.

That pitiful display yesterday where you spent the entire day whining, crying, b!tching, and moaning about McCarthy, yet at long last you couldn’t come up with a single innocent victim was truly a pathetic display.

Why don’t you pick a topic you know something about like synchronized bong hits for instance?

By LuckoDull

February 12, 2007 06:57 PM | Link to this

Monkey Man:

“As soon as he arrived in DC, he tried to normalize relations with Augusto Pinochet, the dictator of Chile,”

But the United States changed direction once again after the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980. In a controversial analysis, the late Jeane Kirkpatrick, a key member of Reagan’s foreign policy team, distinguished between authoritarian regimes such as Pinochet’s — which were friendly to the United States and could be changed through quiet diplomacy — and unfriendly “totalitarian” communist regimes like Castro’s Cuba, which could not be reformed and deserved harsh sanctions.

“He also cozied up to the fascistic and anti-Semitic junta of Argentina,”

Videla emerged as a leading theorist for international {{{{{{{anti-communist strategies}}}}}} in the mid-1970s. His tactics were emulated throughout Latin America and were defended by prominent American right-wing politicians, including Ronald Reagan.

“Not only did Ronnie embolden torturers and murders, but the CIA—following his order to support the contra rebels in Nicaragua worked with suspected drug traffickers.”

The Contras (from the Spanish term La Contra, short for ‘movement of the contrarrevolucionarios’) {{{{{{{were the armed opponents of Nicaragua’s FSLN}}}}}}}} (Frente Sandinista de Liberacion Nacional) Sandinista Junta of National Reconstruction following the July 1979 overthrow of Anastasio Somoza Debayle (which ended the Somoza dynasty), and continuing throughout the following decade.)

“He oversaw a foreign policy that empowered and enabled murderous brutes and thugs in El Salvador”

Ricardo Valdivieso, a businessman and a founder of El Salvador’s main conservative political party, said Reagan “saved Central America” and was “a great ray of light and hope for civilization and liberty in a dark hour for our country.”

Continued-

By Dusty

February 12, 2007 06:58 PM | Link to this

About Kristol and Obama.

Maybe at Harvard this argument was Kristol clear. I doubt that it is anywhere else.

By Paul

February 12, 2007 06:59 PM | Link to this

Huge

Seemed to me this was a repeat of someone saying “I think Reagan was a pretty good President” then you jump in with the usual laundry list of “failures.” No good things to say. He didn’t do one good thing as President. Just another conservative President failure.

Didn’t “take the topic away” - just pointed out you can use the same tactic with any President. Any at all. Democratic, Republican - they all had failures. But to go to the knee-jerk “Reagan’s a !@@#!” doesn’t strike me as much different than “Clinton’s a !@@!!”

If your point was “Reagan was not really a conservative” because of all those points you listed - sorry, came up a bit short. You start out with a premise of conservatism that you define “some of the major tenets of American conservatism are sending money and assistance to regimes that repress and murder their people” and go from there. I’ve never come across such a definition, ever.

That has about as much validity as laying out a general statement encompassing Truman’s, or Kennedy’s “failings” and ascribing that to liberal principles.

You’da done better with some budget issues.

By LuckoDull

February 12, 2007 07:01 PM | Link to this

Continued-

“And let’s not forget, little bigot, Ronnie’s attempt, through Donald Rumsfeld, to woo Saddam Hussein,”

According to the senior officials, who asked not to be identified, Reagan, Vice President George Bush and senior military officials supported the program that had more than 60 DIA officers essentially working for Iraq, giving Baghdad detailed information on Iranian strengths and troop deployments, tactical planning, airstrike plans and damage assessment.

So Reagan used the troops of other countries to kill the enemies of America and Monkey Man finds this to be what, unfair?

Too smart for the Monkey Man to figure out on his own?

Didn’t kill enough US troops, zero in fact, to make the Monkey Man happy?

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By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 07:13 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Blowhard doesn’t want a definition of conservativism, he wants to launch an ignorant diatribe against it.

If I said, “I’m a conservative because I believe in peace through strength” he’d go on a 10 paragraph rant about the neo-cons and Ronnie RayGun and the poor innocent commies, instead of just accepting my statement as an indisputable fact that that is what I believe.

LuckoDull,

Thanks for the facts.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2007 07:15 PM | Link to this

LuckoDull,

Despite your excellent debunking of the Blowhard’s laundry list, you and I both know the next time the topic comes up Blowhard will be right back cutting and pasting it all over again.

Not only does history start for them every day so does their robotic parroting of their master’s talking points. It’s really sad to know there is that much rampant ignorance among these people claiming to be teachers. (Note to Blowhard-I don’t seem to recall you ever saying you were a teacher so it’s possible that you’re just an ignorant example from some other profession)

By Huge

February 12, 2007 07:18 PM | Link to this

“I’ve never come across such a definition, ever.”

That’s the point, Paul! This isn’t, an execrcise in glorifying their hero. Neither is it, as you mistakenly seem to infer, it is an indictment that EVERYTHING he did was bad. Not so.

It simply illustrates how a track record like that is simply 180 degrees out of phase with real American conservatism.

But I’m still waiting for the very first example from someone here, you included, of something he did that was conservative (Hint: there are some if you can find them).

Are you really suggesting that a TRUE conservative would run a foreign policy in such a reckless and deadly manner?

Or that these examples are somehow outside of the bounds of a discussion on conservatism?

Yes, there are a number of domestic issues, I’ve not addressed yet. And they too are extremely hard to square with real conservatism, bigot’s assertion notwithstanding. I’ll cover those soon.

If you can find something in curly’s cut and paste stuff, let me know. He is clearly incapable of making cogent assertions in his own words and relies on others to do their thinking for him. Like using their justifications to explain Reagan trying to buddy up with the killing madman Saddam…

And bigot can ONLY discuss such matters in sound bites, like “peace through strength”! It is one of HER strengths that she can say nothing while trying to sound profound.

More later!

By LuckoDull

February 12, 2007 07:22 PM | Link to this

By Huge February 12, 2007 07:18 PM Like using their justifications to explain Reagan trying to buddy up with the killing madman Saddam…

Monkey Man: So Bush was right to remove Saddam, eh?

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By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 07:55 PM | Link to this

I’m guessing the Blow Blowhard thinks that Goldwater is the only “true conservative”.

That’s because after destroying him when he was a candidate, the Left now embrace him as their hero for his stance on gay marriage.

That’s what it always comes down to for these Leftists. Its all about their childish tantrums that they aren’t going to have two grooms on their wedding cake anytime soon.

By LuckoDull

February 12, 2007 07:58 PM | Link to this

The awards might have the opposite effect, sparking another radio backlash against the group. Country broadcasters said Monday that the group’s five Grammys show how out of touch the Recording Academy is from the average country fan. “I think (the listeners) are outraged,” said Tony Lama, program director for KXNP in North Platte, Neb. “This is rural, conservative America. They are just disgusted.”

Fake awards for fake people that think like the dullards do.

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By rushncap

February 12, 2007 08:18 PM | Link to this

Actually, @@, Howard should keep his mouth and the rest of himself the h3ll out of American politics. This doesn’t just go for incredibly stupid crap that he said about Barak, it goes for everything.

RW, no dear, you said I’m the one who always jumps on you first. 2 days later you jump on me first. As for my blogging — just because I’m not a coward and stand behind my convictions does not mean I don’t know what I’m doing. It just means I don’t care what s** like you think of me. I don’t feel threatened, even by stalkers like yourself.

Too bad everyone knows you well enough on this board to not take my $10 bet. Everyone knows that you’re too much of a coward to answer a simple question you don’t like.

P.S. Sorry, Stalk, not gonna play the “last post” game with you tonight. You can have the last word as usual. For once in your life you coming in last is actually a positive. Doesn’t make up for the rest of it, but it’s, you know, a consolation trinket. So fire at will. I’m off.

By RW-(the original)

February 12, 2007 08:36 PM | Link to this

Dmitry,

I think it’s more likely they knew you would welch on the bet and you just proved them right because I answered your stupidass question. Gawd you’re stupid, are you sure they let you in State U as a student?

Prime Minister Howard has troops fighting alongside ours and Australia has always supported us, so Howard has every right to speak up. Sheesh, we constantly hear from you idiots that we have to please the rest of the world and now you want one of our very best allies to STFU. Did I mention how stuntingly* stupid you are?

Trust me, we all know where your mouse is taking you when you sign off here. Enjoy yourself and be sure to wash up.

.

By Buy Danish (the real deal)

February 12, 2007 10:53 PM | Link to this

I love this Left Wing logic:

Prime Minister Howard has to STFU about his absolutely correct observation that giving Al Qaeda a date certain when we’ll leave Iraq is suicidal, but the idiot Dixie Chicks can say whatever they want on foreign soil, and if people say, “screw ‘em, we don’t want to hear them and we won’t support them by buying their music” then that’s a “chilling” infringment on free speech (assisted by a conspiracy by the right wing Clear Channel radio).

My only point of order with Howard is that any and all these Democrats would be absolute disasters - Obama is just the first one to give a specific surrender date.

As further evidence what utter liars and fools they are, Chris Dodd claims that the evidence that shows that the Iranians are arming the Shias in Iraq is “doctored”.

rushncap,

Do you agree with Senator Dodd? Maybe the weapons were made in Hollywood?