Mike Luckovich

By LuckoDull

February 8, 2007 08:00 AM | Link to this

Who exactly is Ted Haggard?

Some liberal straw man?

How does anyone know that this clown isn’t a pinko out to give religion a bad name?

Or being paid by the democrats to do just that?

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The Warner resolution cites “a deteriorating and ever-widening problem of sectarian and intra-sectarian violence… between some Sunni and Shia Muslims.” This is low-level strife waged by terrorists and death squads. There is no Sunni Army of Anbar marching against a Shi’ite Army of the Euphrates to settle the war in an Iraqi version of Gettysburg. Indeed, according to the latest data from the Brookings Institution, civilian deaths still run ahead of combat deaths among U.S. and Iraqi security forces by 20-1. The insurgents are too weak to wage real war for control of the country. They are not winning; they are barely even fighting.

Some war strategy; kill innocent civilians for the cameras of your allies in the pinko media, so that democrat congressman win the war for you.

But now that the war has proven to be difficult, and her fellow Democrats are outflanking her on the antiwar left, she is steadily, even rapidly, moving in their direction. So in the space of merely 14 months and as the Presidential campaign begins in earnest, Mrs. Clinton has gone from advocating a new plan to “win” the Iraq war, with “honor,” to vocally opposing President Bush’s new strategy to try to do precisely that. And, oh, yes, she now wants the “surge” to be in Afghanistan instead of Iraq. The question we’d ask is whether this is the kind of stalwart drift that Mrs. Clinton would bring to the Oval Office?

We even have democratic presidential candidates working for our enemies.

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By Blackadder

February 8, 2007 08:04 AM | Link to this

You can’t “cure” homosexuality any more than you can “cure” Bush supporters.

By Shawny

February 8, 2007 08:08 AM | Link to this

I’m with you, LD. Where did this joker come from, why does anyone care that he is / was / may still be gay? How can this possibly be news?

The toon is funny, though. Anyone that thinks the Snickers parent company made a mistake with the controversial ad is naive. There is no bad press, and the ad has been seen on news programs for free giving them more coverage than they got for the actual paid slot.

By Shawny

February 8, 2007 08:11 AM | Link to this

Great summarization of Hillary’s comments through the years showing her slide to the left, here:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009637

…Saddam “has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.”

“I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 U.N. resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998.”

We have no option but to stay involved and committed.”

It was the same intelligence belief that our allies and friends around the world shared about the weapons of mass destruction.”

By Shawny

February 8, 2007 08:14 AM | Link to this

Of all the candidates with their hats in the ring, this Edwards guy is the one I trust the least. Look at his response to Russert in the first paragraph here:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110009639

He better establish some sort of position, or just fade away.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 8, 2007 08:15 AM | Link to this

Does it make me “Bi”? because I prefer a Peppermint Patty?

Ah, well.

By Scooter

February 8, 2007 08:25 AM | Link to this

So, we have a basketball player who likes getting charged in the lane and this Haggart guy (whoever he is) thinking homosexuality is a treatable “disorder”.

Oh well, some choose not to see the media has an objective and is not concerned with being objective.

By @@

February 8, 2007 08:26 AM | Link to this

I’m snickering at your “obsession” with Haggart ml, but really…? You were pretty quick to reveal Nowak’s problems as “a funny”.

You could glean alot more material from Anne Heche’s divorce. Alot more “back and forth” if you will. That woman has some serious problems leaving victims in her wake.

Maybe the incident in a public restroom where Paris Hilton asked the male porn star to show her his “gift”, only to have him embarrassed when she later made it the topic of party conversation. After?

Anyway, I thought the Super Bowl commercial was funny. The gay community has made much ado about nothing. The only thing I questioned was how those two guys ended up with the same candy bar in their mouths.

I missed that part.

But your intent here is clear. Haggart is a Christian first and a fallible human being second. While some peoples’ behavior get a pass, his doesn’t.

Whatever! It’s a boring topic in my opinion.

By Goldie

February 8, 2007 08:27 AM | Link to this

Ted Haggard is proclaiming himself “cured” of homosexuality because he wants his job back — he was the president of the American Evangelicals… some followers of that group are the ones that wave those signs that say “God hates f@gs!”. It’s obvious to rational people why Haggard thinks it’s so important that he announce that he’s been “cured”, like there is such a thing!

By w00t

February 8, 2007 08:33 AM | Link to this

Uh, because Tedd Haggart was the Pastor of a 14,000 member congregation in Colorado. He was also the head of the 30-million strong National Association of Evangelicals.

“Haggard is a firm supporter of President George W. Bush, and is sometimes credited with rallying evangelicals behind Bush during the 2004 election. Author Jeff Sharlet reported in 2005 that Haggard “talks to… Bush or his advisers every Monday” and stated at that time that “no pastor in America holds more sway over the political direction of evangelicalism.” “

He preached that being gay was bad, yet he was gay.

Basically, he got into the news because he is a hypocrite and a liar. When you are in a position of power and influence, those types of things do not go over well with people of either group. There was no “liberal agenda”, he brought this on himself.

By Phil

February 8, 2007 08:38 AM | Link to this

If you morons don’t know who Ted Haggard is, it’s supportive and reflective of the fact that you know nothing about nothing. Which we’ve known all along. You don’t even recognize your own. Pitiful but predictable.

By Doug Alexander

February 8, 2007 08:43 AM | Link to this

The Snikers cartoon is absolutely brilliant!!!

By N-GA

February 8, 2007 08:45 AM | Link to this

You wing-nuts can pretend you don’t know Haggard (you probably know him in the “Biblical” sense). You can pretend he doesn’t exist. You can pretend that he didn’t represent right-wing Christians at the national level. You can pretend he isn’t a hypocrite.

Then you can pretend you all aren’t hypocrites.

LMAO

By Oz

February 8, 2007 08:47 AM | Link to this

Regarding Haggard and other neocons, too many people who accept Christ step into darkness instead of light, leaving their powers of reason far, far behind.

By LMAO

February 8, 2007 08:48 AM | Link to this

Haggard a “liberal strawman” LMAO!!!

This has to be the stupidest thing ever…a “liberal straw man” LMAO, oh please stop, you are killing me.

Haggard is the scarecrow for the religious right. That makes more sense. Probably trying on those ruby slippers, playing a Judy Garland album while wishing he had a new brain because the one he has was fried from his meth use.

Non issue??? Did the NBA player defraud 30,000,000 people???

Was the NBA player using his pulpit to speak out against gays?

Was the NBA player doing meth?

Was the NBA player representing God?

Was the NBA player proving the NBA to be a fraud?

Was the NBA player claiming a 3 week cure?

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ted just click them Ruby slippers and this will all go away…..There’s no place like homo, there’s no place like homo, there’s no pl……

By DebbieDoRight

February 8, 2007 08:53 AM | Link to this

Too Funny!!! I wonder how many times he’ll be “cured” in the next few years?! Maybe he shouldn’t have professed to being cured but instead said that he’s “recovering”. That gives him a chance to backslide every now and then and still slither out of any accusations that comes his way from detractors.

You know that might work across the board! Dumbya can be “recovering” from WMD’s; Chimpy can be “recovering” from Haliburton Stocks, Brown can be “recovering” from Hurrican Katrina; etc. The list is endless!

By LuckoDull

February 8, 2007 08:54 AM | Link to this

By w00t February 8, 2007 08:33 AM Basically, he got into the news because he is a hypocrite and a liar.

Hillary Clinton is a hypocrite and serial liar, if you really want to go there.

By Phil February 8, 2007 08:38 AM If you morons don’t know who Ted Haggard is, it’s supportive and reflective of the fact that you know nothing about nothing.

All I need to know is that Ted Haggard is a figment of your imagination meant to make you feel good about your own perverted decisions.

And that it is the absolute truth that none of us are without sin.

But you go right ahead and demogogue your little straw man like your some kind of puritan with only clean, sterile thoughts and act like this isn’t your AGENDA that he was caught doing.

And then have the temerity to call him a hypocrite.

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By Shawny

February 8, 2007 08:59 AM | Link to this

cool…now I know who he is, thanks w00t.

Not “my own”, Phil.

Was he really caught using meth? What a loser.

By LMAO

February 8, 2007 09:00 AM | Link to this

Of course LuckoDull, thats brilliant. Haggards problems are, of course……

ALL CLINTONS FAULT!

LMAO

By LMAO

February 8, 2007 09:04 AM | Link to this

Do you think they used the James Dobson Focus on the Family “shower technique” on him?

The must have. Three week “cure” and all.

By Shawny

February 8, 2007 09:05 AM | Link to this

If you loved the first “100hours” legislation from the new motivated house, here is some highlights from that they have done since then, passing:

Commending the Boise State University Broncos football team for winning the 2007 Fiesta Bowl and completing an undefeated season.

Honoring the Mare Island Original 21ers for their efforts to remedy racial discrimination in employment at Mare Island Naval Shipyard.

Congratulating the Grand Valley State University Lakers for winning the 2006 NCAA Division II Football National Championship

Honoring the contributions of Catholic schools

Congratulating Illinois State University as it celebrates its sesquicentennial

Congratulating Lovie Smith and Tony Dungy

Recognizing the African American spiritual as a national treasure

American River Pump Station Project Transfer Act

Gotta love it.

By getalife

February 8, 2007 09:12 AM | Link to this

You know this toon is great when Andy starts spewing about Clinton.

Take a break Andy before you lose it again.

By AstroPain

February 8, 2007 09:14 AM | Link to this

Didn’t Pee Wee Herman get the same rehab treatment? I guess it really does work!!

By Buy Danish

February 8, 2007 09:17 AM | Link to this

@@,

They say that there’s no such thing as bad publicity, but when I think of Snickers, I’m not thinking “delicious!”.

Tubscum Phil and N-GA Goat herder,

What a bunch “snickering”, gay-bashing hypocrites. Just look at LMAO’s ruby slipper comments^^^. He’s one of yours. Rah Rah Rah!

Goldilocks,

It takes an ignorant dinosaur Leftist like you to think that Christianity is represented by the God Hates F@gs zealots. They represent us about as much as that psycho diaper chick represents astronauts, or even women in general.

Come to think of it, I’ll apply some Liberal Logic and from now on I’ll just picture you and the rest of the parrots wearing diapers. It’s easy to do, since you are all a bunch of infants any way.

By getalife

February 8, 2007 09:17 AM | Link to this

Shawny,

Be patient, next up , the Iraq war resolution.

The gop cowards in the Senate blocked the debate so the House will pass one on to them.

They can cut and run but they can’t hide from Iraq. Its the number one issue in 08 and the gop will lose worse than they did the last election.

By LMAO

February 8, 2007 09:20 AM | Link to this

The shower technique is only part of the rehab. Haggard also had to give up his Tinky Winky dolls. He also has to avoid penguins.

By Edwin Williams

February 8, 2007 09:21 AM | Link to this

I actually like today’s cartoon! Although I consider myself to be very conservative on most issues, including social issues, we MUST as a society and as individuals admit that sexuality is no more a choice than skin, hair or eye color. It is just an integral part of WHAT we are. Deal with it.

By LMAO

February 8, 2007 09:25 AM | Link to this

We need to give President Bush the same advice Haggard got, just say no to Dick.

By N-GA

February 8, 2007 09:27 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish…it’s your puddin’ buddy Andy who wears diapers…remember, he’s the bedwetter!

And you are just another empty-headed hypocrite in constant denial over the failure of your right-wing heroes who are moral degenerates and corrupt beyond anything that came before.

And they all behave that way while covering their privates with their bibles.

By candide

February 8, 2007 09:28 AM | Link to this

If there were no evangelicals around we would not know anything about self-righteous hypocrisy, sexual immorality, lack of faith, stupidity, delusion, and fascism.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 8, 2007 09:33 AM | Link to this

LMAO Your 9:25 is funnier than the toon! Great going.

By @@

February 8, 2007 09:37 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish:

“Delicious”? Funny! I haven’t had a Baby Ruth since I saw Caddy Shack.

But I can still enjoy a Snickers occasionally.

By Eric

February 8, 2007 09:37 AM | Link to this

If someone is paying people to give religion a bad name they must have billion and billions in the bank. Who’s paying “luckodull” to give stupidity a bad name.

By Eric

February 8, 2007 09:41 AM | Link to this

The cure Haggard needs is a cure from religion.

By gttim

February 8, 2007 09:43 AM | Link to this

That is one of the funniest cartoons you have ever done Mike! Hilarious!

By Goldie

February 8, 2007 09:43 AM | Link to this

Donut— I didn’t post anything about Christians… it was about Ted Haggard and the “evangelicals”, who BTW don’t really preach Christian values. But, then again, you’ve shown many times that you can’t comprehend the English language, so you’re forgiven once again for your misunderstanding. Now, if we can just do something to help you with all of the hatred you’ve got brewing inside of you… it may be too big of a job!

By Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century

February 8, 2007 09:46 AM | Link to this

OH NO YOU DIDN’T!

LoL and still laughing!

Mike L’ that is the funniest one I have seen in a long time! Great Toon.

And to the NeoWipes like Dull Dummy, I am so sorry to inform you of this, but Ted Haggard is clearly one of your own Right Wing NeoNuts! Oh and he is one of Dubya’s personal God buddies.

From the WIKI:

In 2005, Haggard was listed by Time magazine as one of the top 25 most influential evangelicals in America.[10] Haggard is a firm supporter of President George W. Bush, and is sometimes credited with rallying evangelicals behind Bush during the 2004 election.[11] Author Jeff Sharlet reported in 2005 that Haggard “talks to… Bush or his advisers every Monday” and stated at that time that “no pastor in America holds more sway over the political direction of evangelicalism.”[12] In a June 2005 Wall Street Journal article, “Ted Haggard, the head of the 30-million strong National Association of Evangelicals, joked that the only disagreement between himself and the leader of the Western world is automotive: Mr. Bush drives a Ford pickup, whereas he prefers a Chevy.”]

Ok so Now that they cured this drug crazed Pastor of his homosexuality, when do you think they can cure him of his lying problem?

[Haggard admitted on November 3 that he had purchased methamphetamine and received a massage from Jones, but he denied using the drugs or having sex with Jones. “I called him to buy some meth, but I threw it away. I bought it for myself but never used it,” Haggard claimed in a radio interview, and added, “I was tempted, but I never used it.”[42]

As it became apparent that some of the claims were true, some evangelical leaders such as Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell sought to downplay Haggard’s influence on religious conservatives and downplay the importance of the NAE.”]

LMAO: You forgot Somewhere over the Rainbow.

PNAC: Snickers - It’s so Satisfying!

By Lord Help Us

February 8, 2007 09:48 AM | Link to this

If I wasn’t seeing it I wouldn’t believe it…

The guy running an organization of 30,000,000 evangelicals, talks to the Bush administration every week, rails against the evils of homosexuality, gets caught porking a male prostitue, snorting meth, and now claims to be cured of his ‘disease…’

And the stooges call it a ‘strawman’ and ‘who is this guy anyway’ and ‘no big deal!!!’

Now, stop for a minute and consider an analogy:

What if, say, Cindy Sheehan (who garners nowhere near the influence of Ted Haggard) got caught in a compromising situation with an inflatable Bush doll while snorting meth.

Lucko-(imawhineylittlehomo) would probably go into convulsions…

By Goldie

February 8, 2007 09:48 AM | Link to this

{we MUST as a society and as individuals admit that sexuality is no more a choice than skin, hair or eye color. It is just an integral part of WHAT we are.}

Thanks for your post, Edwin Williams!

By Buy Danish

February 8, 2007 09:58 AM | Link to this

(((I didn’t post anything about Christians… it was about Ted Haggard and the “evangelicals”, who BTW don’t really preach Christian values}}}

Goldie,

Liar Liar Diaper’s on Fire.

By Goldie

February 8, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Donut— I know you are! :>)

By JC

February 8, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

Good readers.

Please do not mistake BD for a real follower of mine. He is one of the many who are disciples in name only.

He uses my name and yet promotes all of the things I fought against. Intolerance, hatred and religious murder. His words and ideas couldn’t possibly be a worse example of my life and teachings.

By Buy Danish

February 8, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

Here is a perfect example of Liberal religious intolerance, this time in England.

Note to Tony Blair:

Do not fall for the “Free speech for me but not for thee” Leftist agenda.

If you really believe in “tolerance” you will “tolerate” the views of a Catholic Agency, and you are free to encourage those with opposing views to set up their own adoption agencies, without forcing people with deep convictions to abrogate their deeply held beliefs to government fiat.

By Queer Eye for the Evangelical Guy

February 8, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

Tuesday ok with you, Ted?

By DamnTheMan

February 8, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

One of Bushies spiritual guides turns out to be a flaming homosexual and meth addict.

Jeff Gannon, favored White House “press corraspondant” who had special access to the Oval Office turned out to be a gay male prositute.

The facts are clear. Face it Republitards, Dubya is the first modern gay President. No wonder why he didn’t seem upset over fellow con Mark Foley trying to seduce boys.

Parents, never allow your child to be alone with a conservative. They probably just want to play “cherry bendover” with them.

By Lord Help Us

February 8, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

BuyPauler,

No, you stupid twit.

It’s an example of discrimination by the Catholic Church against people because of their sexual orientation.

This type of discrimination is prohibited by law here in the US (and apparently in the UK as well).

You do believe in a nation of laws, don’t you?

By Paul

February 8, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it amazing how people who aren’t members of a particular Christian denomination are so quick to denounce evangelicals, say their “values(?)” aren’t “Christian,” ridicule their beliefs (there’s a good Christian value) and in general not have a “live and let live” attitude? Really, who cares what someone else believes? If the concern is putting their (religious) beliefs into political action - so what? Everyone has “beliefs” - some are based on religion, others social causes, others a really cool professor or a really good book. Again - so what?

It seems the only religious group who gets a pass are jihadists “they’re not really Muslims, Islam is peaceful, these guys use religion in name only” - sounds like the same dismissal of evangelicals, but it’s done in a very dismissive “end of discussion, they’re not dangerous” tone.

Of course, these are the same types who will dismiss a Zell Miller (not really a Democrat) or a McCain (not really a Republican) because they don’t adhere to “party purity.”

And they never, ever, include in their condemnation of Christians with such views of homosexuality Jesse Jackson, who is, after all, Baptist.

By getalife

February 8, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

JC,

Amen.

By Mrs. Godzilla

February 8, 2007 10:37 AM | Link to this

Good Morning Buy Danish,

I agree with this.

“If you really believe in “tolerance” you will “tolerate” the views of a Catholic Agency, and you are free to encourage those with opposing views to set up their own adoption agencies, without forcing people with deep convictions to abrogate their deeply held beliefs to government fiat.”

1 caveat, I believe the agencies may have to operate - according to their deeply held beliefs - but without government funding.

By Goldie

February 8, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

{{Really, who cares what someone else believes? If the concern is putting their (religious) beliefs into political action - so what?}}

So, Paul obviously has no problem with the likes of Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and Ted Haggard promoting the creation of a theocracy to govern all of America…

By Mike

February 8, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

This guy is pathetic. Honestly…pathetic. What really upsets me is that the crap that this sicko is spewing out of his mouth, only adds confusion to parents of gay children, who might be struggling with their child’s sexual orientation. Hopefully they will realize what a total liar this guy is, and listen to their children. I know, because I struggled my whole life, knowing I was different. And I now have a peaceful relationship with God and my life once I stopped trying to pretend and was honest. What a looser!

By Midori

February 8, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

Mary Matalin was on Imus in the Morning. Entertaining, to say the least. You need quicktime to listen to this.

By Dubya

February 8, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

God has spoken again. Thee same crazed God who speaks personally to Prez Brush and tells him to “win in Eye Rock” has spoken to Ted Haggard and cured him of his homosexuality in just 3 weeks. Course we Repunks know them homos are just sick & enjoy their games an can be cured if they wanta be. Praise thee Lord! And then Mitt Romney, a long time pro-choice guy was just the other day staggered and felled by a “sudden personal epiphany” from God himself and is now strongly anti-abortion. God bless God and God bless Murcuh.

By Buy Danish

February 8, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

Thank you. However, if you deny them government funding you are denying the very children liberals claim to care about.

There is no reason why government money has to be doled out only to secular organizations. After all, secularism is a “belief” too.

I do find it curious that liberals don’t have the wherewith all to start their own adoption agencies, country clubs, scouting groups - whatever it is where they would violate the principles of the right to free association, free speech, and religious freedom.

By LuckoDull

February 8, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

Lucko-(imawhineylittlehomo)

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that apparently liberals have a big problem with people being homosexual.

They flame Conservatives with the description and we all know what they think of Conservatives.

Not good at all.

Glad we could get that cleared up.

After all, you’d expect to have the libs welcome Ted Haggard into their fold. With open arms.

Are you pinkos not the party of “diversity?”

Or is that kind of talk just more of your usual Bullsh-it?

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By Brian Curtis

February 8, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

So, BD, your argument is that “we help people” is a good enough reason to demand public monies, correct?

Fine. CAIR will enjoy receiving your tax dollars to do their good work. See how messy it can get once you open even a tiny chink in the wall of separation?

As for Haggard: It’s amazing that all that intensive prayer-therapy went to cure something as irrelevant as sexual orientation, when they could have been working on something urgent, like cancer. But hey, you gotta have priorities, right?

By Paul

February 8, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Actually, Goldie, I don’t - because it is not even a remote possibility (even if it were, we have a system of majority rule, protecting the rights of the minority), as a theocracy is where (one definition) the government is run by and is subjected to a religious leader - they are one and the same - similar to radical Islam, where the state exists to support the religion.

And if they want to advocate such to keep the members stirred up, in line, sending in their contributions - again, so what? Nobody’s forced to join such a group.

So if people want to have a law redefining say, abortion, based upon their religious beliefs - let’em try. It’s no real difference from someone advocating a position based upon “Philosopher Edwineronomous, True Revealer of Fairness and All Things Good” - It’s still going to be subject to court review (not in a theocracy, though - another reason it won’t happen). BTW - which is why “abortion” is a “red herring” issue for a Presidential candidate - such a change would have to come through the states on an individual basis, or through Congress - and that is also something that isn’t on the horizon.

To me, it’s obvious most of the outrage and ridicule is based upon that time-honored principle: if it can be construed or twisted in any was as an embarrassment to Pres Bush or “conservative” Christians - take a shot!

By Moderate moderator

February 8, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

LuckoDull, please define the term conservative and how it relates to you. Thank you.

By LuckoDull

February 8, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

By DamnTheMan February 8, 2007 10:28 AM One of Bushies spiritual guides turns out to be a flaming homosexual and meth addict.

Oh yeah, I’m sure Bush called Haggard every Monday morning to discuss gay sex and meth cooking secrets, yep, that’s it.

It’s like we didn’t have a previous president up in the oval office with an porky little intern attached to him; and remember it was “alright” because he was discussing national security over the phone at the same time. At least that’s what the liberal excuse was.

Just look at the New York skyline to see what Billy was paying more attention to; the Senator or the “service,” haha.

But now we’re being told to believe that it was impossible for Bush to discuss pressing Church issues with a homosexual, what could gays possibly know about community outreach and caring for the poor, right, pinkos?

How dull.

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By Mrs. Godzilla

February 8, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

BD,

I can’t go there with you. I am of the opinion that government money should not go to religious organizations if their practices are discriminatory.

Would you support federal funds to a Wikkan adoption agency? A Muslim? Can you truly say you’d support your tax money going to absolutely any religious group?

There need be no denial of help to the children that both liberals and conservatives care about. Catholic Charities - a pretty terrific bunch - is not the only source for adoption.

It’s not always either or. More often or not its multiple choice.

By Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century

February 8, 2007 11:20 AM | Link to this

Ludi-ridiculous Dullard

Most of us “Liberals” have no problem with Ted being gay. To each their own. What we are bashing him for is being a freakin’ hippocrit and a freakin’ liar.

He has lied from the beginning about the sex and drugs, and he got caught!

NOW HE LIES AGAIN ABOUT BEING CURED!

But you NeoNaziNanoNuts will believe that he is fully cured so he can continue to flock and fleece the faithful sheep.

I wonder how long it will be before Teddy darling will be at the pulpit shouting about how if he can be cured of being gay, that yes you can be cured too. Just send in your $19.99, and come to his office for errrm - a private session and be “touched” by the lord.

PNAC: “Sheep Shearers R’ Us”

By Buy Danish

February 8, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Brainless,

Does Haggard have cancer? WTF are you babbling about?

CAIR is a political organization, and it is reasonable to argue that it is also a terrorist organization, so no, they are not eligible for public funding.

But guess what!! Pat Robertson agrees with you.

By Lord Help Us

February 8, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Naw, barking up the wrong tree as usual, Lucko(iwhinetoajcwhenmyfeelingsgethurt).

I just knew it would get to you…

By rushncap

February 8, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Ah yes, Mr. Haggart. I think I posted a link to this story a couple of days ago. What a loser! Hard to feel sorry for a guy who built his entire fame and fortune on lies and hypocricy. I’m glad there is one more chance for the country to discuss this disgusting man.

By Paul

February 8, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

Peoples for Nuke - 11:20

{{Most of us “Liberals”… are bashing him for is being a freakin’ hippocrit and a freakin’ liar.}}

Now that’s a fascinating position. Just wondering - are there any such “Liberals” or “Democrats” you similarly bash for being hypocritical, let alone “liars?” If there are any?

By LuckoDull

February 8, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

By Wanker’s for a Islamic Ruled AmeriFrance February 8, 2007 11:20 AM Most of us “Liberals” have no problem with Ted being gay. To each their own. What we are bashing him for is being a freakin’ hippocrit and a freakin’ liar.

Republican Mark Foley and liberal democrat Gary Studds both had a “thing” for underage congressional pages; Foley was run out of Congress on a rail, Studds was reelected twice.

Republican Duke Cunningham and liberal democrat William Jefferson both took bribes; Cunningham resigned, Jefferson pulled out the race card.

DENVER — A pastor who worked with young adults at New Life Church has admitted sexual misconduct and {{{{{{{{{resigned}}}}}}}}}}}} just weeks after former church leader {{{{{{{{{{{{{{Ted Haggard stepped down}}}}}}}}}}}}}} over sexual immorality.

You got some nerve throwing the hypocrisy label around, especially considering that liberal democrats are the biggest bunch of smut and filth merchants that ever walked the face of God’s Earth.

So Haggard bought into your sales pitch, you tempted him into your ways, the same things you want to teach in public school to our children, why are you surprised that he listened, you should be proud.

How dull you people are.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

By Lord Help Us

February 8, 2007 11:41 AM | Link to this

BuyPauler,

Liberals, Conservatives, and the majority moderate Americans (as in, yours truly) all have their fair share of hypocrisy.

Your point is well taken that no side exposes their own as often as they should.

By Blackadder

February 8, 2007 11:47 AM | Link to this

Iraq vets were on the Hill this week with a strong message for the pro-escalation members of Congress:

[[In several news conferences, [Iraq war veteran Jon] Soltz accused McConnell of “aiding the enemy” by allowing the Bush administration to build up troops in Iraq at the expense of the hunt for Osama bin Laden. “We are not fighting the war on terrorism, we are in the middle of a civil war,” he said, referring to Iraq. “Meanwhile, the guy who attacked this country on 9/11 is living in a cave in Afghanistan.”

Soltz called Cheney a “draft dodger,” repeating charges he made last month when he disparaged a “president who frankly knows nothing of war and a vice president who knows even less.” He said: “Senators on the fence have a choice. They can stand with veterans like us, or they can stand with the draft dodgers down the road.”]]

Democrats said they will not muzzle the veterans. In many ways, the former soldiers and Marines are expressing sentiments the lawmakers want broadcast, and they help inoculate Democrats against Republican claims that opposing the president’s plan undermines the troops.

Not everyone was happy to see the vets. Yep, those GOPers who purport to support the troops were disdainful and dismissive:

[[Soltz, Van Riper and the others got polite if reserved receptions from Republicans, with one exception. The veterans said they stormed out of a Tuesday meeting with Sen. Larry E. Craig’s chief of staff. “He was almost dismissive in his tone,” said Joe Kramer, 31, who was in the light infantry in Iraq. “We agreed to disagree. Very loudly.”

Dan Whiting, a spokesman for Craig, would say only that the Idaho Republican’s chief of staff, Mike Ware, sees things differently.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a decorated Vietnam veteran and likely presidential candidate who supports the addition of troops, dismissed VoteVets.org as a “handful of veterans” not representative of the military.]]

There are 20,000 members of VoteVets including 1000 who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. Just a handful? The guys represent soldiers - and they are giving a voice to the overwhelming majority of Americans who think Bush’s war in Iraq is a failure.

SUPPORT THE TROOPS!

By Buy Danish

February 8, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

Global Warming is “discriminatory” religion. For example -

We should definitely not be funding secular religious organizations that promote this discriminatory junk science.

By Lord Help Us

February 8, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

lucko-(whiney),

One of your BEST!

Congratulations…You caught us!

So Haggard bought into your sales pitch, you tempted him into your ways, the same things you want to teach in public school to our children, why are you surprised that he listened, you should be proud.

Cats out of the bag…Haggard fell for our previously unknown strategy of turning American men into male prostitute porking, meth snorters.

Darn the luck!

Okay guys, back to the drawing board, Lucko-(ishouldnotbeallowedoutsidemypaddedcell) is on to us…

By Paul

February 8, 2007 11:54 AM | Link to this

LHU 11:41

Amen!

Thought you’d appreciate an ironic comment every now and then -

But really, my point was, does either side really admit to any criticism of their own? (present “majority moderates” excepted) - the poverty wages for tuna workers” or “we are going to conduct this Congress in a bipartisan matter (current and previous Congresses)” are good examples -

By DebbieDoRight

February 8, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

From LuckoDull {{So Haggard bought into your sales pitch, you tempted him into your ways, the same things you want to teach in public school to our children, why are you surprised that he listened, you should be proud}}

Are you insane?

From Paul:{{Now that’s a fascinating position. Just wondering - are there any such “Liberals” or “Democrats” you similarly bash for being hypocritical, let alone “liars?” If there are any?}}

They do, (Remember Cynthia McKinney’s much ado about a hair do?); but surprisingly you “rights” always seem to forget that…….

By Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century

February 8, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

First Paul;

That was in answer to Andy “Lackadullard” insane comment and smokescreen obfiscation:

[I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that apparently liberals have a big problem with people being homosexual.]

Yes Paul

There have been some Liberals and Democrats I have spoken out against.

A few:

Tipper (I want to control what your family can watch) Gore.

Joe (No Guns for You) Lieberman (note my comments about him were years before he flip-floped, and has nothing to do with his current politics. I just never liked Joe.

But it should be no surprise (nor even an expectation) to you that; me being a liberal myself, that I would bash more republicans and neocons, rather than liberals and Democrats.

Besides, There are plenty of Republican sheep doing that job already.

I have even spoken in Favor of some very good republicans in he past as well. I even liked Ronnie!

But Sheep deserve Shearing! However, You Paul are not a Sheep!

PNAC

By rushncap

February 8, 2007 12:01 PM | Link to this

It’s always amusing to see our little Muffin posture and whine about what is and isn’t science. It’s like listening to Stephen Hawking discuss the proper running form in the 200 meter dash.

By Blackadder

February 8, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this

Wow. It’s so easy to be a right winger and manipulate the media.

Republicans in Congress are feigning outrage over the non-story that Nancy Pelosi gets a plane to fly her to her home district. It’s not a story. It wasn’t a story when Dennis Hastert had his fat a$$ hauled around the country. But the press is eating it up like the little lapdogs they are. Imagine if the GOP showed as much outrage over real issues, like the mess that is the Iraq war or the fact that our troops in the war they started don’t have the right equipment.

By Buy Danish

February 8, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Blackadder,

Here’s the poster boy of military heroism to a Leftist. Lt Ehren Watada

Here’s your hero John ABSCAM Murtha blackmailing the Pentagon:

Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., the Pelosi ally who chairs the House military appropriations subcommittee, said he has spoken to Pentagon officials about the need to provide Pelosi with a bigger plane that can fly passengers coast to coast in comfort…But he denied pressuring the Pentagon. “I don’t need to pressure them. I just tell them what they need to do,” Murtha said.

By Lord Help Us

February 8, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

DDR - great example. I used to live in CM’s district (oh, the shame).

Robert Byrd has mended his ways, but as one of the few that transitioned from the old bigoted Dem party to the new inclusive Dem party, one can hardly reconcile his hypocrisy.

Frankly, I’d like to see all those that place party before country, D’s or R’s, sent packing.

By Paul

February 8, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight

Cynthia McKinney? A Representative whose claim to fame is a hairdo? I don’t seem to recall much outrage from the Democratic hierarchy over that one. I was thinking of anyone or any “traditionally Democratic” groups with a bit more national prominence.

“You ‘rights’”? May I suggest you read past posts before you appeared on the scene, or read upon a variety of topics, before you make such generalizations? It’d be much the same as someone labeling you a neocon, neanderthal, fascist moron (labels used here frequently - and I am in no way saying you are) simply because you identified yourself as a military spouse.

By rushncap

February 8, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

Just for fun:

We know Muffin reserves the right to define any words in the English language much the same way she deems what is and isn’t science. So this is not “wrong”, per se, just amusing.

Secular — b : not overtly or specifically religious c : not ecclesiastical or clerical (Mirriam-Webster’s dictionary). So Muffin’s “secular religious organization” is a funny little oxymoron.

By Paul

February 8, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Peoples for Nukes at 12:00

Thanks!

By rushncap

February 8, 2007 12:13 PM | Link to this

Paul — fair enough. Could you please tell us of a prominent liberal or Democratic hypocrite. Name, his claim to fame, his hypocrisy, and whether you feel he has not been properly castigated.

By Dusty

February 8, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

Blackadder,

You never surprise us.

A small group of veterans comes to Congress and wants the USA to leave Iraq now.

You give them more credit than General Petraeus. You dismiss the words of John McCain, a well known veteran. You overlook the opinion of the Senator from Idaho who has a different opinion from this small group, some from Idaho. You dismiss the opinions of these well known people because they don’t agree with what YOU think.

We respect our veterans and listen to them. But we cannot run our country by taking the advice of every small group who disagrees with decisions, even a small group of veterans.

Quit reading the polls for your decisions. Most Americans cringe at the thought of cut’n’run whether you know it or not. It simply is not the American way to “give up”.

By Edwin Williams

February 8, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

I can name a bunch of prominent Democrat party hypocrites. Let’s see - Ted Kennedy - he murdered a woman and is filthy rich, but doesn’t give all to the poor. Ariana Huffington who rides around in private jets yet deplores global warming. John Edwards and his screed during his debate with Cheney when he brought up that Mary Cheney is gay. I could go on, but I think that my point is made!

By Paul

February 8, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

rushncap

Sure. My old soap box - “fairness” “tax the rich” - all the while writing legislation to protect family fortunes - Kennedy - Pelosi - Kerry come to mind. And no, I do not think they’ve properly explained the contradictions. I already mentioned the minimum wage fiasco - as well as Pelosi’s dealings with her farm workers (unionize? get out of my vineyard) - So I stick pretty much to policy issues - or where personal (business) dealings are at odds with stated policy positions. I’m not much interested in who sleeps with whom, gets drunk and wrecks cars or fights with their spouse - those are pretty much personal things.

By Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century

February 8, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

I know!

Lets declare that “The War is Over!”

I mean the “War” was with Iraq and it’s President Saddam Hussein!.

Well I’d say we clearly Won.

We defeated the Iraqi Military Forces!

We Won and Saddam is now gone.

Time to bring all our troops home!

Victory!

Now Haliburton and all the Energy companys can do “THEIR” job at “THEIR” expense to clean up and repair Iraq just like they agreed to do. Oh and they can hire “THEIR” own security!

Didn’t “We the Taxpayers” already pay them to do that particular job in no-Bid contracts?

If we keep our troops in iraq after “THE WAR” is over then we will have to re-define the current mission as a “Police Action”. Now we really don’t want to do that now Do We?

Tomorrow’s headlines should read;

“Victory!”.

PNAC

By Shawny

February 8, 2007 12:42 PM | Link to this

Man, that 12:13 is teed up for all! Let me take a stab…

Barbara Streisand pays over $22,000 per year to water her lawn.

Noam Chomsky, the anti-military socialist that made millions from Pentagon contracts.

Teddy Kennedy…proponent of clean energy, but no wind powered units in my backyard.

Michael Moore, outsourced some film production work to Canada (to pay lower, non-union wages).

Michael Moore owns Halliburton stock.

By Paul

February 8, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

Shawny

LOLOLOLOL! Defenders? No. Apologists? No. Mutes? Yes.

Do ya think Michael Moore will support confiscatory taxes on dividends?

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 12:51 PM | Link to this

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

LHU is a moderate?????????????

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA!!!!

As the Kimmer would say, “I gotta go, you’re killing me!!!”

By Blackadder

February 8, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Dusty - you failed to mention all the other Generals that came before Patreus who suggested we get out and got fired for their opinion.

Isn’t their opinion any good or just those who agree with you and Bush?

By Blackadder

February 8, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Dusty - I seem to remember another well known veteran who fought in the same war with McCain. It seems he disagreed with bush and was “swift-boated”. That’s another term for dishonestly slandered.

By Blackadder

February 8, 2007 01:01 PM | Link to this

Dusty - I’m sorry but I just have to respond to another of your statements:

“We respect our veterans and listen to them. But we cannot run our country by taking the advice of every small group who disagrees with decisions, even a small group of veterans.”

In case you haven’t noticed, the number of Americans still supporting this war is becoming a smaller group every day. Does that mean “we cannot run our country by taking the advice of every small group who disagrees” in that regard as well?

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 01:05 PM | Link to this

Blackadder,

Was Kerry sent to Cambodia by Richard Nixon in 1968?

By Paul

February 8, 2007 01:06 PM | Link to this

BlackAdder -

What generals? You’ll probably mention Gen Shinseki - even tho his troop level comments came after his replacement (Gen Schoomaker) was named. Shinkseki had it right on post-combat ops force level requirements - he just never enunciated a plan on how to use them other than the vague “peacekeeping.” He’d marginalized himself (saying a howitzer program Rumsfeld cancelled would have saved lives in Afghanistan) was not a good move. Likewise - his view of transformation didn’t align.

So, what generals got fired? None that I know of. The most recent phenomena is to stick around, get the next command or next star, then retire and criticize (in conjunction with your next book tour). The shame is more of these guys who saw the mistakes of the top brass not speaking out during VietNam repeated the same mistakes.

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 01:10 PM | Link to this

Blackadder,

It takes a special kind of moron to let the New York Times run a month of propaganda, take a poll, and then follow the poll results. Congratulations!

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 01:11 PM | Link to this

Or in the case of the Iraq war, four years of propaganda and multiple phony polls. At least they can count on you dullards to fall for every single one.

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 01:18 PM | Link to this

getalife 9:17,

{{{{{The gop cowards in the Senate blocked the debate so the House will pass one on to them.}}}}}

Do you even know what a cloture vote is? The Republicans voted to keep debate going, it was Harry Reid trying to end the debate. It would be nice if you would just once put your country ahead of your party.

By rushncap

February 8, 2007 01:19 PM | Link to this

Paul — I honestly don’t know much about Pelosi’s farm workers. Not a story that had much traction in the news, I believe. If there was that issue and she was hypocritical about it, she should be called on that.

I too don’t care who sleeps with whom. For all I care Ted Haggart could blow every gay hooker south of Toronto. But when you’re leading the charge to demonize homosexuals from a pulpit, and pretending like god is telling you to do that, this is when I start caring. This is why I don’t care, for instance, who Clinton slept with — he never made an issue of “infidelity is a crime against god and you shall burn in hell if you do it!”

By Dusty

February 8, 2007 01:29 PM | Link to this

Blackadder,

You are one brave soul. Anyone who would bring up John Kerry as a veteran of great respect is lost in space. The man won’t even release his total military record because he knows what will be found. His own public display of throwing away his medals, not to mention the subversive trip to France is hardly notable.

“Dishonestly slandered”??? Now that is hypocritical. Every day President Bush is dishonestly slandered by liberals and you want to complain about Kerry? lalalala lost in space!!

By Paul

February 8, 2007 01:29 PM | Link to this

rushncap

The farmworker story did not get much traction - and it’s a shame. She holds a good stake in a vineyard (not a sole owner) and workers who want better pay or conditions are let go. The larger issue is treatment of manual workers. I’d have thought she’d be on the forefront - setting an example, so to speak. Would have given her credibility among the skeptical.

I didn’t follow the Haggart issue - I agree - no need to demonize anybody - my interpretation is the Bible’s pretty quiet about “homosexuality” (somehow, I just don’t think that’s something that regularly came up at the dinnertable) but is pretty unambiguous about any sexual relations outside marriage. THAT’s the part most people want to ignore, or excuse. Just too difficult a standard, isn’t it?

So I don’t know if he railed against the actions or the state of the persone (did he ever say God loves chaste homosexuals, or instance?). I’m not sure how he’d know, anyhow…

Of course, the entire concept of “I was born that way” causes difficulties for some who believe everything you do or are is a matter of choice, doesn’t it? Don’t know what I’d say to my friend whose young son was diagnosed with autism if that were the case.

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 01:29 PM | Link to this

Why is it that nobody here had ever heard of Ted Haggard before the male prostitute flap if he was out demonizing homosexuals? If he was so dangerous you would think you “enlightened” people might have brought him up.

Case in point, search the archives and show me one post anybody ever made here that either supports or condemns Haggard before the news of the meth and prostitute situation.

By Play that funky music whiteboy

February 8, 2007 01:33 PM | Link to this

The problem with Ted Haggard and other’s, including James Dobson (who I used to really admire) is that they get bored with doing God’s work and start trying to influence legislative and governmental agendas. Nothing scares me more than to hear a Sunday School teacher or Pastor tell me who to vote for and why. I hope the “sheep” in some of America’s churches have awakened and realize that politicians don’t hold the same personal beliefs and values you do. Their game is a dirty one full of deceit lies and filth. “W” - your President - has deceived himself into believing he is truly one of you… like Reagan believing he actually played football at Notre Dame, and telling people that while he was President.

I’m sure some of you “moral majority”, “religious family values” people are reading this. Tell me please - Your “chosen One” George W. Bush has been in the White house for 7 years now, put people on the Supreme Court, appointed Judges, filled out his cabinet a couple of times and for 6 of those years his party held both houses of Congress… WHAT’S DIFFERENT? Abortion - Still Legal. Gays - Still together and gaining in influence. Women in the Workplace (this one’s aimed at you Promise Keepers) - still there and claiming more top spots. Immigrants - still here and their kids are better students than yours. Iraq - not a Christian nation yet. What has this President done for you? NOTHING. And like the lover who isn’t there when you wake up in the morning, “W’s” probably not going to call you later on in the afternoon either. You guys will never hear from him again.

By DebbieDoRight

February 8, 2007 01:35 PM | Link to this

People in the Dem party drop kicking their own; you mean like this:

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/special_packages/election2006/15963280.htm

By Paul

February 8, 2007 01:36 PM | Link to this

RW-(the origial)

As usual with you - touche!

By getalife

February 8, 2007 01:44 PM | Link to this

RW,

“Cloture is the formal procedure used to end a filibuster. It can take up to three days and requires 60 votes. Cloture can also be used even if there is no filibuster underway, to ban non-germane amendments.

If cloture wins, 30 additional hours of debate are allowed prior to voting, but they are rarely used.

If cloture fails, debate would continue without limits. Instead, the bill is usually set aside.”

Here is the vote:

“Senate vote on the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to S. 470 ). The 49-47 vote was 11 short of the 60 needed to go ahead with debate.”

Now they fipped flopped and want the debate. The House will give them a clear resolution to vote on .

By rushncap

February 8, 2007 01:44 PM | Link to this

Paul — again, I don’t know enough about Pelosi to condemn her for the vineyard thing. It’s entirely possible that she actually had no idea about this. Owning stock in a business does not guarantee that you know how this business is running on a day-to-day basis. I’m not grasping for excuses here, I simply don’t know.

RW — you may want to read up about “Pastor Ted”. He was the leader of the National Association of Evangelicals for 4 years. There are dozens of member denominations. Haggart was the pastor of one of the largest megachurches in the U.S. Time listed him as one of the top 25 most influential evangelicals in America. Do I need to go on, Stalker?

By getalife

February 8, 2007 01:46 PM | Link to this

touche what Paul.

RW has never been right about anything.

You must be an idiot.

Geez.

By Shawny

February 8, 2007 01:47 PM | Link to this

Yep.

Had both houses of congress and the presidency and did very little. Republicans deserved to get kicked to the curb.

spend, spend, spend…..pile on the pork.

let illegals in by the droves..no border security. Still none, with none in sight. Too busy working on bills to honor sports teams.

By Goldie

February 8, 2007 01:52 PM | Link to this

{{John Edwards and his screed during his debate with Cheney when he brought up that Mary Cheney is gay. I could go on, but I think that my point is made!}}

Edwin— And your point about Edwards and hypocrisy is???? Are you saying that John Edwards is gay and therefore a hypocrite? I don’t think when he pointed out the obvious about Cheney’s daughter being gay is the same as being a hypocrite… you may not have liked that he pointed that fact out during a debate and related it to the subject being debated, but that’s not what constitutes being a hypocrite.

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 01:58 PM | Link to this

Dmitry,

Please point me to any comment you ever made about Haggard before this situation made the news. Thank you in advance.

By Paul

February 8, 2007 01:58 PM | Link to this

getalife 1:46

Even with his opinion of you?

(That was a JOKE) -

By Goldie

February 8, 2007 01:59 PM | Link to this

{{Anyone who would bring up John Kerry as a veteran of great respect is lost in space.}}

So Dusty doesn’t believe that veterans who disagreed that staying in Viet Nam forever should be respected. Or that all veterans who earned medals in war and fought bravely to defend America should not be respected if they disagree with their government upon returning to America… my, my, my — you are one sicko, Dusty-brain!

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 02:00 PM | Link to this

getalife,

So in your whacked out world there is NO debate before cloture is invoked?

Must be time to change the meds.

Why do you think the Democrats refused ANY debate on a resolution to support the troops?

By Goldie

February 8, 2007 02:02 PM | Link to this

{{Barbara Streisand pays over $22,000 per year to water her lawn.}}

Please provide the link Shawny-boy that tells us when Ms. Streisand ever said that people should not bother to water their lawns. I’m waiting…

By N-GA

February 8, 2007 02:02 PM | Link to this

Paul, I need more exact information (that can be confirmed) before I believe: “…and workers who want better pay or conditions are let go.” I suspect there is much more to that. Imagine, a farm worker walks up to the supervisor and says “I want a raise”. The supervisor looks at him/her and replies “No, and you’re fired.” C’mon, Paul. Let’s not fall victim to repeating whatever you hear from any source whatsoever.

In California there is severe competition for grape pickers. As a wine drinker perhaps you know that specific varietals ripen at specific times. Therefore, most Pinot Noir grapes are harvested in a specific area within a couple of weeks, so labor demand peaks. The same holds true for Chardonney, Cabernet Sauvignon, and Zinfindel.

So growers pay whatever is necessary to get their grapes picked before they rot on the vine.

More to the point, criticism of Haggart is relevant because that is the topic of today’s political cartoon. When/if there is a toon about The Ted, I will gladly castigate him. Many of us have done so with Cynthia McKinney and Bill Campbell. They are all fair game, so don’t paint all liberals with such a broad brush.

BTW, I don’t mind being called a liberal even though I suspect my views on civil liberties and finance are more conservative than most bloggers here.

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 02:02 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Actually I consider getalife a friend despite his misguided politics.

By N-GA

February 8, 2007 02:07 PM | Link to this

So now the White House has to resort to defending House Speaker Pelosi about flying on gov3ernment planes…even Tony Snow had strong comments

By Shawny

February 8, 2007 02:09 PM | Link to this

Kerry is an easy target.

He:

served a very limited (4 month, I think) tour

joined the Navy, so as not to possibly get drafted into a branch that would be more likely to see combat action

“obtained” minor injuries, including one that the attending physician described as a scratch that he wouldn’t have taken a purple heart for, to get the 3 purple hearts required so that he could get discharged ASAP.

Got his tickets out of there, returned home and spouted vicious lies about what American men in uniform were doing.

Punched his military ticket, knowing that voters love the military, then exclaimed when returning home, “you are looking at the next J.F.K. from Massachussettes”.

Served? technically, yes, more so than the current administration.

Hero? nah…used a quick in and out as a means to enter politics.

By rushncap

February 8, 2007 02:10 PM | Link to this

Stalker, I also never talked about Elvis on this board. Does that mean he’s not famous or important? Are my posts now your criterion for determining the importance of a person in contemporary America? I’m flattered, but a bit weirded out.

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 02:16 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

Is there something wrong with the White House standing up for Pelosi?

Why do you suppose she’s claiming to need a military plane for security when she spent the last two years telling us Bushco was making up the threat?

By Goldie

February 8, 2007 02:17 PM | Link to this

{{“obtained” minor injuries, including one that the attending physician described as a scratch that he wouldn’t have taken a purple heart for, to get the 3 purple hearts required so that he could get discharged ASAP…}}

Shawny— you really should listen to people other than the Swift Boat traiters before forming an opinion about Sen. Kerry’s war wounds… what was it that his fellow combat Navy veterans had to say? Do you even know what his swift-boat mates had to say about his deeds?

You, like Donut and Dusty-brain, are also a terrorist-appeaser for continuing to support your guy Dubya’s 4-year rampage throughout Iraq.

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 02:19 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Why are you so obsessed with me? Can’t you go back to one of your porn sites and leave me alone? sheesh….

Haggard has never had one iota of effect on my life before, during, or after the one event in his life that got him in the news, but apparently he does yours. That would be YOUR problem not mine, loser.

By Paul

February 8, 2007 02:20 PM | Link to this

N-GA

Well, thank you. My original source (which I saved) was an editorial by the editorial board of a newspaper I get. Gist was it was a nonunion shop, firings had occurred. So, I just checked (Wine Spectator - whose wine rankings are great if you have the same tastes as the tasters) and an ABC followup. Seems its another of those fact/fiction stories - little truth here, little “rest of the story” there (something we’ve never seen on this forum). So I’ll drop the reference -

I grew up near vineyards - and citrus. There’s a lot of work outside of harvesting time - and in case of the citrus - if it weren’t for “illegals” we wouldn’t have much citrus shipped, I’m afraid.

True too about the topic du jour - care to bet a bottle of Pinot about how long it will take to see a cartoon about “The Ted?” :)

By Brian Curtis

February 8, 2007 02:22 PM | Link to this

Shawny: Kerry’s service in Vietnam didn’t make him a hero… his opposition to what the government was doing there did.

By rushncap

February 8, 2007 02:22 PM | Link to this

Stalker boy, you’re perfectly free not to respond to me. If you just can’t keep your mouth shut, that’s your problem. And don’t flatter yourself. No one is obsessed with you.

By Shawny

February 8, 2007 02:26 PM | Link to this

Attending physician, Goldie…it’s in the report….oh, wait….was that one of the reports that was held back?!?

Swiftboated? or called out?

By Shawny

February 8, 2007 02:28 PM | Link to this

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/kerrypurhrts.htm

Old news, and perhaps biased (you think?), but he P-oed a lot of vets, so their rage against him is understandable.

By N-GA

February 8, 2007 02:30 PM | Link to this

Shawny: I STRONGLY recommend you research your posts and verify your facts before you post (about Kerry). Your apology is accepted in advance.

RW: My post about Pelosi and plane travel is based upon the numerous posts on this blog criticizing her “demands” for government planes. Since I suspect from your post that you didn’t read the link, here is one quote: {{{“This is a silly story and I think it’s been unfair to the speaker,” White House spokesman Tony Snow said.}}}

BTW, did I suggest there was something “wrong” with the White House defending Pelosi?

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 02:32 PM | Link to this

Dmitry,

Do you type with your mouth?

Everyone knows you’re obsessed with me. By the way, with your porn and blogging addictions do you ever work or study?

By Paul

February 8, 2007 02:34 PM | Link to this

DebbieDoRight 1:35

Rather like, except the comment was directed more towards those on this forum.

By Goldie

February 8, 2007 02:37 PM | Link to this

{{Attending physician, Goldie…it’s in the report….oh, wait….was that one of the reports that was held back?!?}}

Shawny-boy, if you’re talking about that “doctor” who was a paid actor in those Swift-boat TV ads, you’re pathetic for still continuing to spread those lies! I guess you’re also gonna claim that the Navy superiors who read Kerry’s real reports were all puffing him up for his “political aspirations” in the future — how pathetic you are, and a disgrace to all Americans who appreciate and support our troops!

By rushncap

February 8, 2007 02:39 PM | Link to this

Of course I work, silly Stalker. Whose taxes do you think are paying for your welfare checks?

By Paul

February 8, 2007 02:43 PM | Link to this

Shawny and Goldie are playing doctor?

By N-GA

February 8, 2007 02:44 PM | Link to this

Rushncap, lmao at your 2:39.

By @@

February 8, 2007 02:45 PM | Link to this

A quick story. I just returned from the funeral of…we’ll call him my “pew buddy” at church. Always sat next too each other.

He was of another generation. In his mid 70’s. His views on topics were different from mine, but that didn’t matter. We liked each other anyway.

With our previous minister, I had gained the reputation of being his (the minister’s) nemesis. Always calling him to account for something he said or did from the pulpit. All in fun.

With our present minister, my “pew buddy” had taken over the role of “her nemesis.” He didn’t care for women in the pulpit.

Being aware of my previous reputation, the minister was always asking him (my pew buddy) if I had put him up to it. His answer “She sure did. It takes a woman to know a woman.” “I’m just the messenger” he would say.

Now when I wasn’t there on Sundays my “pew buddy” would lodge a complaint claiming that I had asked him to. I hadn’t.

When I showed up the following Sunday he said people had found my complaint outrageous and that if I were present every Sunday, I could speak for myself.

The guy was a hoot. I’ll miss him and I’ll miss hearing the outrageous comments I never made.

By getalife

February 8, 2007 02:46 PM | Link to this

C-Span is really good right now.

Geez, the gop are whiners.

By Devastator

February 8, 2007 02:53 PM | Link to this

RW-The original moron,

Why are you always telling people that they’re obsessed with you? You do that on Wooten’s blog. No one cares about you or your idiotic rants concerning anything. If you want someone to like you so bad why don’t you try online dating instead online whining.

By Paul

February 8, 2007 02:54 PM | Link to this

@@

What a nice way to be remembered.

You had fun in church? Your pastor had a sense of humor? You sure you’re Christian?

By N-GA

February 8, 2007 02:57 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I apologize if this posts twice…you never really know if this blog is hitting on all cylinders.

I can go all day on the topic of illegals, but believe it to be a waste of time. These illegal workers have been in the USA for decades (and longer). It only became a political issue during the most recent election cycle. When politicians want to re-focus the American voters’ attention away from something painful (re: Iraq), they resurrect an old issue or create a new one. Some examples: gay marriage, partial birth abortion (as opposed to any abortion), illegal immigration, federal funding for stem cells (as opposed to stem cell research in general), etc. I’m not saying that the issue shouldn’t be addressed, I am just saying that I would rather Congress be locked in a room with only bread and water until they emerge having dealt with energy, healthcare, social security, medicare and a balanced budget.

I spent many years around citrus groves, too.

By Lord Help Us

February 8, 2007 02:58 PM | Link to this

Oh, RW-(the obfuscator),

Unfortunately, your tiny mind requires that you categorize people reflexively whenever logic is not an option…

Sigh…Listen, I understand, the GOP propanganda machine (and the Fox, O’Reaaly, Hannity, Rush, Gallagher, Ingraham, etc. echo chamber) has done quite a good job indoctrinating the the weak-minded (such as yourself).

I have posted similar info before (go check, I know you will, you obsessive geek)…

On the con side…I am pro-gun, pro-death penalty, aggressive law enforcement, I am active in my church, anti-union, I believe in fiscal discipline (not sure this is in the right place), fishing and hunting are my passions, I drive a Ford pickup, listen almost exclusively to country music (my ipod has Toby Keith, Alan Jackson, Montgomery Gentry, Sammy Kershaw, John Anderson, Tim McGraw, Waylon, Willie and the boys, Elvis, Hank Jr., well you get the picture).

on the lib side: I think Bush is the worst President this century, abortion should be safe, rare and legal, and that religion and gov’t should never have ANYTHING to do with one another. (oh, and the Dixie Chicks are on the ipod too)

You be the judge…

By Devastator

February 8, 2007 03:00 PM | Link to this

getalife and @@,

I see you decided to spread your virus to a new blog. What’s the matter? Did Jim Wooten catch on to your stupidity and block you?

By Devastator

February 8, 2007 03:01 PM | Link to this

getalife and @@,

I see you decided to spread your virus to a new blog. What’s the matter? Did Jim Wooten catch on to your stupidity and block you?

By Devastator

February 8, 2007 03:01 PM | Link to this

getalife and @@,

I see you decided to spread your virus to a new blog. What’s the matter? Did Jim Wooten catch on to your stupidity and block you?

By N-GA

February 8, 2007 03:01 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Most Irish priests are funny, heterosexual, and imbibe (to excess?). They can laugh at themselves and the church…they think it sinful to take oneself too seriously. But then all priests aren’t Irish.

By @@

February 8, 2007 03:01 PM | Link to this

Paul:

Absolutely sure, and so was my “pew buddy”.

Let’s raise a glass (alcoholic is O.K.) to my other better half, “my pew buddy”.

By N-GA

February 8, 2007 03:05 PM | Link to this

From Congressman Gary Ackerman (D-NY): {{{“Well, it seems that the military has gone around and fired a whole bunch of people who speak foreign languages — Farsi and Arabic, etc.,” Ackerman said. “For some reason, the military seems more afraid of gay people than they are against terrorists, but they’re very brave with the terrorists. … If the terrorists ever got a hold of this information, they’d get a platoon of lesbians to chase us out of Baghdad.”}}}

LMAO

By Dr.Doom

February 8, 2007 03:07 PM | Link to this

Lord help us,

Thank for that long drawn out revealing of how backward you are. I’m always intersted to know people who mix country redneck music with liberalism.

You’re one of a kind.

By @@

February 8, 2007 03:10 PM | Link to this

Devastator:

What are you talking about? I still post at Wooten’s it’s rare though. Usually when there is a topic on children.

Follow me on over there. I’ll post a quickie for you.

By Paul

February 8, 2007 03:11 PM | Link to this

N-GA 2:57

My remarks on citrus - more towards idea of when I went to a grove to get some tangerines - none available (I could see them on the trees). Person said they’d had another crackdown - couldn’t get pickers - advertised at unemployment agencies, schools, etc. So the fruit was rotting. For those of you who don’t know - it’s tough work. Long, thin, sharp stickers. Branches don’t give much.

Same happened in Yuma AZ with Sunkist. Bussed people in from Phoenix and surrounding area. After a week they went back to the illegals and the authorities looked the other way.

Having said that, their work conditions were not good at all.

Y’know, I’ve never been approached by an illegal begging for money. For work, yes. For money, never.

By Lord Help Us

February 8, 2007 03:14 PM | Link to this

Dr. Drip,

That I am…

By Paul

February 8, 2007 03:19 PM | Link to this

N-GA

I’d laugh, too, if it wasn’t so sad. Military’s lost a lot of good people - in critical skills - under (came in under Pres Clinton) don’t ask, don’t tell. More like “we find out, you’re discharged.” We desparately need them and their language skills. Gen Shalikashvili - Chairman JCS under Pres Clinton, recently said it’s time to drop the policy - it’s a different military now - most new troops just flat don’t care.

By Thomas

February 8, 2007 03:19 PM | Link to this

OK!

Lets be blunt Shawney:

John F. Kerry earned his medals in real combat during an active war. Kerry was out there in a little bitty speed boat, up close and personal with the Vietcong. How he ended up there doesn’t matter, or even for how long! What matters is that he fulfilled his “Active Duty” and was actually there doing his job. He served our country during wartime. He wasn’t home partying.

Bush and Cheney cannot ever make such a claim. Especially our National Guard Party Boy. Oh and do you even remember Cheney’s part during the Tailhook scandal?

The swiftboating veteran propagandizers (tied directly with the Bush Campaign for re-election) have been debunked in many of their slanderous comments already. Often by those that were “Proven” by the official records to be right there alongside Kerry on the boats in combat. This is a far cry from some swiftboaters that just say they were there with no actual records to back them up. Only a few have even been proven to be in the same area and on different boats.

[The criteria for the Purple Heart call for its award for any injury received during combat requiring treatment by a medical officer; the military makes no distinction regarding the severity of the injury. Under military regulations, the Purple Heart is awarded for “friendly fire” wounds in the “heat of battle”, so long as the fire is targeted “under full intent of inflicting damage or destroying enemy troops or equipment.”]

In every case Kerry earned each and every one of his Purple Hearts. In each and every case he met the criteria. He was wounded! He fought in Vietnam! He is actually a Veteran of War.

Bush and Co. are not!

Now Kerry is not perfect and like all of us humans he makes mistakes and has foibles. But to constantly trash him on his awards which he legitimately earned is nothing more than nasty and viscious propaganda.

I’d love to see someone go into as much detail of the Military records of these SwiftVets against Kerry and see what Skeletons were in their closets!

For a mixed view of several sides in this matter here is a good link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JohnKerrymilitaryservicecontroversy#FirstPurpleHeart

PNAC

By Thomas

February 8, 2007 03:24 PM | Link to this

(cont)

PNAC -

I loved your 12:32!

It would even make Dubya and Crew look good saying we won!

(Lol)

By Paul

February 8, 2007 03:26 PM | Link to this

Shawny, Thomas

You may also want to check here:

Link:http://www.investors.com/editorial/cartoon.asp

for Feb 1.

By Lord Help Us

February 8, 2007 03:27 PM | Link to this

Wasn’t Lucko-(imaittybittycrybaby) and a bunch of the other dipshiites crying about a veteran that got spit at during the anti-war rally a few weeks ago?

Funny, that when it comes to veterans that disagree with their politics (Kerry, Murtha, Hagel, McCain, etc.) their ‘support’ is MIA..

By getalife

February 8, 2007 03:29 PM | Link to this

Disaster,

Please hit the post button only once and you are calling us stupid?

Geez.

By Shawny

February 8, 2007 03:29 PM | Link to this

he he he…. got that hornets nest stirring again. how pathetic of me.

By LuckoDull

February 8, 2007 03:30 PM | Link to this

Remember class, according to the libs, the views of a professor trumps all others:

A professor of meteorology at MIT, Richard Lindzen, for example, says concerning climate change, “I think it’s mainly just like little kids locking themselves in dark closets to see how much they can scare each other and themselves. And I think future generations are not going to blame us for anything except for being silly, for letting a few tenths of a degree panic us.

What will really be scary is the bill that comes due if liberals get their way.

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By Dr.Doom

February 8, 2007 03:31 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

Why do you defend a loser like Kerry? His purple hearts are ancient history. What has he done for us lately other than lose to a lying skunk like Bush?

By rushncap

February 8, 2007 03:35 PM | Link to this

Thank you Thomas. Great post about Kerry.

By @@

February 8, 2007 03:35 PM | Link to this

Since we’re on the topic of ministers and their human failings, N-GAs Irish priest reminds me of another story. I’ll share…don’t read if you don’t want to.

I helped a friend hang some wallpaper on a stairwell for a gorgeous young black woman with a gorgeous young daughter.

The job took days. Every morning when we showed up, there was an Irish Catholic priest there. Red hair, Irish brogue, the whole nine yards. The homeowner wasn’t too kind to the priest, but he was very kind to her and her daughter.

I’ll admit, I was curious, but it really wasn’t any of my business.

A couple of weeks after we had finished the job, the news story broke. The Archbishop of a local diocese had fathered a child with a young black woman.

I guess the red-headed priest was his emissary. He, too, had a great sense of humor. I never met the Archbishop.

I’m reflective today.

By Dusty

February 8, 2007 03:39 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

Why won’t Kerry release ALL of his illustrious military record?

Bush served in the National Guard. It was no more party time then than it is now. Any more of the military you want to insult?

What does TailHook and Chaney have to do with anything under discussion here? You are flapping your lips in the wind, as usual.

By getalife

February 8, 2007 03:43 PM | Link to this

For my friend RW

By Devastator

February 8, 2007 03:44 PM | Link to this

TO EVERYONE ON THIS BLOG: Do not listen to Dusty. Anyone who uses a name to reflect their personal hygiene habits isn’t worth responding to. If you do, prepare yourself for a Dusty and Bush Snickers commercial.

By N-GA

February 8, 2007 03:48 PM | Link to this

What will really be scary is the bill that comes due if the people warning us about global warming are RIGHT! …and nothing is done to prevent it.

By Dr.Doom

February 8, 2007 04:01 PM | Link to this

Catholicism is a major epidemic. It adds what it wants to the bible and then beats everyone upside the head with it.

By regulator

February 8, 2007 04:02 PM | Link to this

Bush was the MIA of his National Guard Unit, and during Nam, the National Guard was a joke. It was where all the rich kids ended up after their deferrments ran out.

By Paul

February 8, 2007 04:02 PM | Link to this

More important news: Anna Nicole Smith just died. No word on how - son committed suicide last year. I guess that ends the gazillion dollar lawsuit.

In other news, the prosecution still hasn’t figured out if Valerie Plame was a double-secret agent -

By Midori

February 8, 2007 04:06 PM | Link to this

RIP, Anna Nicole Smith.

She collapsed and died in Miami about an hour ago.

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 04:07 PM | Link to this

My friend getalife,

Colbert is just as misguided as you.

LHU,

We quit running mlharmony.com so you’ll have to post that weird 2:58 profile somewhere else. Maybe rushncrap can introduce you to the TrueU girls.

By Dusty

February 8, 2007 04:11 PM | Link to this

Devastator,

You are such a comic. But dirty jokes are just not my line.

Now, pick up your white flag and march. The war is going on and you are not protesting.

You will be OK. Nobody pays any attention to you.

!!

By Goldie

February 8, 2007 04:14 PM | Link to this

It’s deja vu’ all over again!

A document obtained by NEWSWEEK suggests the Bush team had a shot at meaningful diplomacy with Iran in 2003. What happened—and how the hardliners may be courting war.

By Paul

February 8, 2007 04:16 PM | Link to this

Wait, Ms Smith just had a baby - now, that’s a sad story -

By Buy Danish

February 8, 2007 04:17 PM | Link to this

Paul,

ANK’s son did not commit suicide.

Methadone is being prescribed as a pain killer by many physicians and is very dangerous, particularly if combined with other drugs like Xanax, but deaths occur even when taking prescribed doses.

By Goldie

February 8, 2007 04:22 PM | Link to this

{{Why won’t Kerry release ALL of his illustrious military record?}}

Dusty-brain, why don’t you write to Senator Kerry and ask him, if you really want to know… go ahead and show him what a true patriot you are by smearing his war record… how slimey and disgusting can you be?

By @@

February 8, 2007 04:25 PM | Link to this

I sure hope that guy who claims to be the father of Anna’s baby is, in fact, the father.

He appeared to be sincerely concerned for the welfare of the baby after her birth. Seems to want to make a difference in her life.

Anna Nicole was dealing with a lot of emotional issues.

I’m with Midori on this one. RIP Anna.

By getalife

February 8, 2007 04:28 PM | Link to this

Hey, BD got one right.

Paul still batting .000.

Geez.

By Dusty

February 8, 2007 04:32 PM | Link to this

Anna Nicole Smith dies.

Yes, that is a sad story. Some things may be worse but working as a strip dancer, marrying an eighty year old millionaire, and losing your twenty year old son is one tough life. I am sad for all the hard times she must have endured.

By Buy Danish

February 8, 2007 04:32 PM | Link to this

Goldielocks,

What is “slimy and disgusting” about asking Kerry to release all of his military record?

And why would Kerry not want to release it? Hmmmmmmmmm?

By Midori

February 8, 2007 04:34 PM | Link to this

Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records

Service Records of John F. Kerry and George W Bush - Links to all …

Kerry Signs Military Records Release Form 180

Records Counter a Critic of Kerry

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

February 8, 2007 04:48 PM | Link to this

Andi/e, Bi Danish, RW, Reverend Haggard, Rep Foley, Jeff Gannon/Guckert, Karl/a Rove, Ken/dra Starr, Dick Cheney, Lynn Cheney, Scooterpooter Libby, Mary Cheney, Dumbya, Newt Gingrich, Rush, Drudge, Ronnie Reagan, Michael Reagan, Michael Silly Savage - are all repukes fuddgepackers?

Would seem like it…

By Paul

February 8, 2007 04:50 PM | Link to this

Uh, Kerry’s not running. What’s the point?

BTW Midori - that’s pretty much O’Reilly’s view - he served, saw combat, “the system” awarded him the medals (several times, for wounds and bravery), case closed.

By Lickodull

February 8, 2007 04:51 PM | Link to this

I, too, am recovering from homosexuality.

Oops - I just slipped. More thoughts about the Sailor and thousands of other men in uniform… or not in uniform - I’m not the least bit particular, actually.

Let me pray about it - on my knees, of course.

Where I seem to be so comfortable!

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By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 04:52 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Where’s the link to Kerry’s original discharge?

By Devastator

February 8, 2007 04:54 PM | Link to this

I once had a crush on Anna Nicole. Its very sad to see her go under these circumstances.

P.S.Dusty,

I left you a nice little message at Wooten’s.

By Dusty

February 8, 2007 04:57 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Are you surprised about Kerry? Two years after the request for open military records, Kerry finally says OK. That comes right after he decides NOT to run in 2008.

Nobody cares now. He is no longer a candidate for anything as far as I know.

By Buy Danish

February 8, 2007 04:59 PM | Link to this

There’s nothing like peeking inside the heart, soul and intellect of a leftist.

{{{By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka’s Al Qaeda I

February 8, 2007 04:48 PM | Link to this

Andi/e, Bi Danish, RW, Reverend Haggard, Rep Foley, Jeff Gannon/Guckert, Karl/a Rove, Ken/dra Starr, Dick Cheney, Lynn Cheney, Scooterpooter Libby, Mary Cheney, Dumbya, Newt Gingrich, Rush, Drudge, Ronnie Reagan, Michael Reagan, Michael Silly Savage - are all repukes fuddgepackers?

Would seem like it…}}}

I bet he makes you all so proud!

By Midori

February 8, 2007 05:03 PM | Link to this

Military Service Records of Senator John F. Kerry, including discharge pdf

By Buy Danish

February 8, 2007 05:04 PM | Link to this

It’s hard to believe a word Kerry says or said:

[Mr. Kerry promised to release his full military file during an appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press” in April 2004. In fact, the senator insisted that the files were available to anyone who came to his office in Washington, D.C. The following day, a reporter was turned away by Mr. Kerry’s staff]

(http://www.nysun.com/article/15135)

By Clem

February 8, 2007 05:05 PM | Link to this

Thomas aka PNAC-Nice attempt at a cover up after outing yourself at 3:19.

By Midori

February 8, 2007 05:05 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

first you say he didn’t release them.

now that you’ve shown that to be untrue, now you say he didn’t release them fast enough.

you hypocrites and your yardsticks.

{{{yawn}}}}

now I get to play: why didn’t BUSH release his “sooner”?

Military Records of First Lieutenant George W. Bush for National Guard Service Between 1972 and 1973:

By AntiRadical

February 8, 2007 05:06 PM | Link to this

Creepy toon, ML, very, very creepy. Reminds me of the gross-out super-bowl commercial with the two mechanics.

I see Anna Nichole Smith has died. Anyone dying at 39 is a tragedy and this poor lady had her share of misery, regardless of her morality.

Her son died last year and the autopsy I read from Cyril Wecht concluded that the mixture of a couple of anti-depressants combined with a low level of methadone was the causation and not suicide (in other words it was an accidental OD). That sounds very reasonable.

I have never understood the treatment of heroin addiction with methadone. Methadone is about 10 times more addictive than heroin (which is still used medicinally in the UK as a narcotic anagesic). Methadone is, also, much more likely to cause respiratory depression (the usual cause of death with narcotic ODs). Additionally, methadone has a duration of action that is about 3 times that of heroin. Sounds like a dumb idea to treat one addiction by causing a worse addiction does it not?

The only reasons I can discern that methadone is used is that it is insoluble in water so it can’t be injected IV and its’ long duration of action fits in well with addiction clinic hours where it is administered.

I still think it is a bad idea. Methadone has the same effects as heroin and it is, also, used as a primary DEA Class 2 narcotic agent (like morphine or heroin is in the UK). The primary difference I can see for its’ use is that methadone does not have the bad rep that heroin does. It is more politically correct, thereby, but it is still more dangerous than the addiction it is used to treat.

I very much suspect that Anna Nichole Smith will turn up methadone positive on autopsy; the perfect tale of familial tragedy.

By LuckoDull

February 8, 2007 05:11 PM | Link to this

By Pointy Hat Pooh Bah - America’s Real Racist I February 8, 2007 04:48 PM Andi/e, Bi Danish, RW, Reverend Haggard are all repukes fuddgepackers?

I know, aren’t those homosexual people just so disgusting?! Yuckie!

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By Thomas

February 8, 2007 05:14 PM | Link to this

-=-

So Buy Danish?

Tell me? Just when do you plan to release your medical records to us?

Or are you afraid we might find some defective mental history in them?

Kerry was under attack by the SwiftBoaters and had no means to review them back at that time. He was probably afraid that they would use anything they found in his records as more ammo to trash him. During a political campaign that would be impossible to counter each and every allegation when your also busy trying to campaign.

Now he has decided to no longer run and has “No Fear” to post his records

SwiftBoaters were/are slimes!

And Buy Danish you seem to be a shifty swifty too!

-=-

By LuckoDull

February 8, 2007 05:18 PM | Link to this

By Clem February 8, 2007 05:05 PM Thomas aka PNAC-Nice attempt at a cover up after outing yourself at 3:19.

Good eye Clem plus an honorable mention for reading all the way to the end of Sir Dullard of Gasbaghdad’s manifesto.

I had to start from the bottom and read up, it was making my eyes hurt.

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By Dusty

February 8, 2007 05:22 PM | Link to this

Midori,

I didn’t know and you didn’t know that Kerry had released his records or you would have told us earlier. It was interesting when he was a candidate. It is recent news and now a “dead horse” so don’t beat it.

By Thomas

February 8, 2007 05:22 PM | Link to this

-=-

Yes Clem!

So you just caught on eh?

But a few people already knew that from before. (lol)

Of course I like the moniker and will continue to use it until it gets too old and out-dated.

-=-

By Paul

February 8, 2007 05:30 PM | Link to this

Gee, Andrea Mitchell just testified Velerie Plame’s identity was well known among the Washington Press Corps (pre-Libby). Fitzgerald tried to keep her from testifying. So much for a “search for the truth.” David Gregory of NBC is due up. Everyone knows he’s a lying neocon, though.

Looks like Fitzgerald’s gotta indict a whole bunch more folks. I’m just glad the Republic survived!

By rushncap

February 8, 2007 05:30 PM | Link to this

Well done Midori. Nice to see Dusty beat such a hasty retreat.

By Thomas

February 8, 2007 05:31 PM | Link to this

-=-

Andy (of many names) - give it a rest eh?

So I use another moniker (and a good name I might add)

Pot to Kettle

And A glass house to boot!

Wait - you mean Andy can read? Not just Cut & Paste?

-= Faints =-

-=-

By Clem

February 8, 2007 05:33 PM | Link to this

LuckoDull-I only spotted it because when I started to read it my eyes fell to the bottom.

Thomas-If it’s common knowledge why would you be trying to cover it up by talking to yourself?

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 05:41 PM | Link to this

Hysterical! Good one Clem!

By Thomas: “PNAC, I just loved your post!! Kisses!!”

By PNAC: “Thomas, it’s your posts I adore!! Kisses back!!”

It’s almost as good as finch and seeker.

By @@

February 8, 2007 05:45 PM | Link to this

Thomas, Thomas, Thomas….from a purely psychological perspective, online schizophrenia is so….

Oh, nevermind.

Talking to yourself?

By N-GA

February 8, 2007 05:49 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Let’s not dump on Fitzgerald. He’s been broadly commended for his objectivity by both sides.

It would be much more appropriate to make snide remarks about Ken Starr and the 10’s of millions of taxpayer dollars wasted on a wild goose chase known as whitewater. Now before you or anyone else decides to become judge, jury and executioner over that fiasco, remember that after spending all those millions Ken Starr failed to come up with anything except the Monica issue which was unrelated to his original investigation.

Whitewater was politics…Libby is about justice and the law. It appears there is little doubt that someone in the Executive Branch of our government wanted to discredit Plame’s husband by outing her…Libby will be the fall guy.

By Thomas

February 8, 2007 05:51 PM | Link to this

-=-

Clem - it’s not common knowledge yah idiot!

I clearly said a “few people” knew it!

So yes I tried to hide the persona (and it’s accompanying mistique).

Big Deal!

Is that good enough for you Andy? - I mean Clem?

(snickers)

Oh why don’t you just go ahead and reveal all your monikers. Oh - Never mind that would run past the posting limits.

Well since the rest of the day seems to be breaking down into useless rhetoric about my second moniker, I think I will call it a day.

See you all tomorrow. Hopefully with discussions of relevance.

Cheers!`

Thomas/PNAC

-=-

By @@

February 8, 2007 05:54 PM | Link to this

Speaking of cutting and pasting. Thomas’s 3:24 gives a whole new meaning to the word “Pasties”.

Which one of you wear them?

PNAC or Thomas?

By Buy Danish

February 8, 2007 05:57 PM | Link to this

RW,

Re PNAC/Thomas -

All that kissing must be symptomatic of a narcissistic personality (and a sad case of finchitis).

And this is the same Thomas who has the gall to post this -

(((By Thomas

February 8, 2007 05:14 PM | Link to this

So Buy Danish?

Tell me? Just when do you plan to release your medical records to us?

Or are you afraid we might find some defective mental history in them?)))

Projection 101.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

By Buy Danish

February 8, 2007 05:58 PM | Link to this

See Thomas. See PNAC. See Thomas run.

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 05:58 PM | Link to this

{{{{{Let’s not dump on Fitzgerald. He’s been broadly commended for his objectivity by both sides.}}}}

Really? I would sure like to see where my side of the aisle is singing the praises of Fitzfong in this case.

Libby won’t be convicted of this anyway.

Goat,

Do you know how many people were convicted of felonies from the Whitewater investigation?

By LuckoDull

February 8, 2007 06:03 PM | Link to this

By Thomas February 8, 2007 05:51 PM So yes I tried to hide the persona (and it’s accompanying mistique). Big Deal! Is that good enough for you Andy?

Sir Dullard Of Gasbaghdad: That ain’t the issue here.

And before you even go there, I dare you to show me one time when LuckoDull ever made sweet with Liberals Suck And Lie.

Don’t waste your time.

Now in your case, we’ve got fresh proof of your problem’s, and I don’t know, maybe we’ll take advantage of it, maybe we won’t.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

By Buy Danish

February 8, 2007 06:05 PM | Link to this

Anybody out there want to out themselves as being one of the few who knew PNAC and Thomas were the same person? If you in fact exist of course. Maybe you’re dorm buddies at UGA posing as tycoons?

It’s interesting how Thomas had a different style as Thomas versus PNAC with his cute little flourishes and all.

I wonder how many other people Thomas is.

By Paul

February 8, 2007 06:06 PM | Link to this

N-GA

I’ll have to pick this up tomorrow - getting some supper for the wife, then off to meet some folks -

Ken Starr - I’d go a lot farther than you - you’d think Congress woulda learned from him - as I’ve said, Special Prosecutors need to be given specific orders - and stick to the case. Those guys don’t make fame or promotion by saying “Golly, I looked at this for a couple years, and you know what? No trials!”

Later, guy -

By N-GA

February 8, 2007 06:15 PM | Link to this

RW…I didn’t know how many people were convicted of felonies from the Whitewater investigation, so I did a quick search. This from Wiki: “Over the course of the investigation, fifteen individuals — including Clinton friends Jim McDougal and Susan McDougal, White House counsel Webster Hubbell and Arkansas Governor Jim Guy Tucker — were convicted of federal charges unrelated to Whitewater.”

In answer to your other observation, there have been numerous articles that opined that Fitzgerald was unbiased, hardworking, with bulldog-like tenacity. There have been weak attempts to “swift-boat” him to no avail.

By Olivon

February 8, 2007 06:23 PM | Link to this

If I had known that I would have gone into therapy a long time ago and I am not bi sexule. I would have done it just in case I in up in prisom!

By Political Foreskin

February 8, 2007 06:28 PM | Link to this

Anna Nicole Smith

By Buy Danish

February 8, 2007 06:34 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

Please provide a link to flattering comments about Fitzgerald by a conservative.

Calling someone a “bulldog” or “hardworking” is meaningless.

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 06:38 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

How do a bunch of articles written by a bunch of liberals making the claim that Fitzfong is fair make it “both sides”, especially in the Libby case?

Now doesn’t the fact that at least fifteen people were convicted of multiple felonies from the Whitewater investigation show the fallacy of saying that nothing was found in that investigation?

By rushncap

February 8, 2007 06:44 PM | Link to this

Apparently our local Stalker guy does not know the meaning of the term “unrelated to”. Too many syllables, I guess.

By N-GA

February 8, 2007 06:47 PM | Link to this

RW,

15 people were found guilty of charges UNRELATED to Whitewater. The investigation became a crusade against the President of the United States and his wife by the GOP. It failed. After spending 10’s of millions of dollars on a political wild goose chase.

But RW….you would rather defend someone who wants to re-write the Constitution by raping it.

By LuckoDull

February 8, 2007 06:48 PM | Link to this

Look at this fabricated hit job on the president:

“Nobody trusts anything,” said one intelligence official, describing how the public and Congress react to administration claims about Tehran’s interference in Iraq. Whenever administration officials raise the subject of Iran’s nuclear program and its supposed hand in the violence in Iraq, said the official, people immediately ask: “What are they distorting?”- Michael Isikoff, “News” weak.

Bush distorted, eh?

Senate Halts Iraq Intelligence Investigation Morning Edition, National Pinko Radio, March 11, 2005 · The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee says the probe into whether the Bush administration manipulated pre-war intelligence on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction is over. Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) says since the panel earlier found intelligence to be flawed, there’s no need to continue the probe.

Seems to me like “News” weak is the one that’s oing the “distorting.”

Freaking liberals.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

By N-GA

February 8, 2007 06:48 PM | Link to this

Time for braised beef tips with a delicious Marlstone.

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 06:49 PM | Link to this

Dmitry,

Perhaps you don’t the meaning of “came out of the investigation.”

Are you handling the entertainment at the Bulgarian bus stops?

By rushncap

February 8, 2007 06:55 PM | Link to this

Why the fascination with porn, Stalk? And is there any way to get you to not talk about porn on a political blog?

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 06:56 PM | Link to this

Who knew goats ate beef?

I guess it irritates you that some Democrat crooks got convicted in the first place so you attack the investigation that unearthed their crimes. What I’d really like is for somebody to tell us how Whitewater was a perfectly acceptable and above board real estate transaction.

You realize that Al Capone was investigated for all sorts of nefarious crimes, but was put away for tax evasion. Similar to investigating all the Whitewater crooks and convicting them for some other crime they hadn’t covered up as well.

By Buy Danish

February 8, 2007 07:02 PM | Link to this

Tin foil Hat N-GA,

Is this what you’re having for dinner?](http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1767,135177-240198,00.html) N-GA is cooking up for himself.

How positively Haute Cuisine.

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 07:16 PM | Link to this

rushie,

I know you think the proper place to talk about porn is on a Christian girls site. This, by the way, is a cartoon blog not a political blog. Today’s cartoon topic is even about sex. I’m sorry that you’re embarrassed by your porn addiction, but the only way for you to get better is to accept that you have a problem.

Maybe the therapists that are wasting their time trying to change someone’s genes can actually do some good by helping you out.

You sure do get scolded by moderators a lot. Maybe when the team of therapists has you on the couch they can work on your anger problem too.

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 07:22 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I think the goat farmer is trying to tell us he’s going to the pool hall for a hamburger and a Marlboro.

Here’s your link for the beef tips in a trash bag.

By rushncap

February 8, 2007 07:26 PM | Link to this

Oh Stalk, you silly goose. Your fixation on me is really not healthy for you. While I realize that it must be hard realizing that you’re past 50, have completely wasted your life and have nothing to show for it, there is hope. You can volunteer at a hospice (and network for your not-so-distant future), you can learn pottery at the local Y, hell, you can… well, I’m sure there are other things. Obsessing about someone with an actual life is just not the healthiest thing for you at this stage. That boat has sailed. Time for a new hobby, Stalk. After all, with your mighty powers of self-delusion you should be able to convince yourself that life really does start at 50.

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 09:00 PM | Link to this

Admitting that you’re a wet behind the ears kid is a good first step Dmitry, I’m proud of you. Perhaps we can help you here on the blog. Let’s get started.

I think we first have to figure out what caused your hatred for women. Did Mommy catch you “using” those magazines you tell us all American homes are supposed to have in the bathroom?

Once we get done with that we can move on to why you have such a hard time acting rationally when discussing things with your intellectual superiors.

Who knows, in a few months maybe we can bring Daytime Rushncap back.

By rushncap

February 8, 2007 09:31 PM | Link to this

Oh Stalk, what a lame little response. But I gotta say, probably took a lot of courage just to get that out.

I think I’ve figured out the fixation you have with porn and sex: your welfare checks don’t cover Cialis, do they? Yeah, that’s too bad. If they did you might actually be able to get it up, and spend a lot less time on this board. Oh well, gramps, you can always have your memories of times when you were young, and didn’t need ED drugs.

P.S. Still trying to get the last word in every night? Just wanting to see how desperate you are…. apparently pretty desperate indeed.

By RW-(the original)

February 8, 2007 10:01 PM | Link to this

By rushncap 06/19/2006 12:34 AM :

Third of all, I would argue that porn is beneficial. Yes, I said it. It can be beneficial. I have experienced that in my own life. And it’s beneficial to me for 2 reasons. One is that the fact that I was able to resist having sex with quite a few girls whom I did not like or was interested in. The fact that I had access to porn made me able to reject the appealing notion of having sex with a girl I was not interested in, in favor of a far more benign mode of release — porn. After all, the hormones are working, no matter what. I would argue that choosing porn, in this case, is obviously the lesser of 2 evils. The second reason is that it has increased my productivity. There are times when I have been, for lack of a better term, horny, when a quick visit to an appropriate site dealt with the problem rapidly, and I was able to resume doing what I was doing. I have, on occasion, not had the chance to access any porn, and that lead to basically a wasted hour or hours, as I tried hard to concentrate on work while the mind relentlessly drifted in all the wrong directions.

Tell us about it wanker!

By Irish65

February 12, 2007 01:28 PM | Link to this

As the male prostitute said, “It would be hard to believe he is cured because he really seemed to enjoy giving oral sex so much”.

Just remember he was also giving oral advice to the Bushies.