Mike Luckovich

By George

January 30, 2007 08:00 AM | Link to this

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha This toon is sooooooo cool. Cheney’s psychosis is so legendary that even Darth Vader is insulted!

Another Pulitzer in the making ML.

If Bush and Cheney keep up their delusional ways then the Republicans won’t even be able to elect a dogcatcher in 2008.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 30, 2007 08:09 AM | Link to this

Mike you crack me up!

By Edwin Williams

January 30, 2007 08:12 AM | Link to this

I’m just wondering when Mr. Luckovich is going to have an original thought? It really seems to be the same thing over and over again. Dick Cheney is the Devil and George Bush is an idiot and America’s enemies are just misunderstood. Sounds like the complaints against Winston Churchill and Ronald Reagan!

By Rocky

January 30, 2007 08:25 AM | Link to this

Ha! At least Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker had some good inside of him. Does Cheney have a “Luke” who will help him turn from the dark side?

By Brian Curtis

January 30, 2007 08:31 AM | Link to this

Edwin: “America’s enemies are misunderstood?” No, I think we understand Bush and Cheney pretty well by now.

And when was Bush (correctly) diagnosed with Alzheimer’s? Because that would make it MUCH easier to remove him from office before he does any more damage.

By reebok

January 30, 2007 08:34 AM | Link to this

For a long while, I assumed Cheney was just vicious and angry. After seeing his performance this weekend, I’m beginning to think he’s vicious, angry and completely delusional.

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 08:36 AM | Link to this

All the Pulitzer Patriot cartoon boy can come up with a non-specific and unoriginal Darth Vadar cartoon?

I suspect the scribbling illiterate has a collection of these in a drawer to throw out when he can’t find someone to read the newspaper to him.

By @@

January 30, 2007 08:46 AM | Link to this

Actually, I like this one ml. I’m sure John (Cougar) Mellencamp wouldn’t mind if I borrow his lyrics to be sung by Cheney…

Hurt so good

Come on baby make it hurt so good

Sometimes love don’t feel like it should

You make it hurt so good

What is it golfers say when they’re giving a heads up at an invitational…

FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO….

You’re welcome Dick. Even Mellencamp can’t sing that one better than you.

By DebbieDoRight

January 30, 2007 08:47 AM | Link to this

Mike: This one is o.k. — but I think you missed the connection. Cheney is not Darth Vader……….I think he should’ve been compared to Attilla the Hun; a cold, calculating, merciless empire builder.

By Brian Curtis

January 30, 2007 08:55 AM | Link to this

It IS a bit outdated, frankly… Darth Cheney has been known by that name for many years, until his recent trick-shooting demo earned him the new sobriquet “Deadeye Dick.”

By Roy

January 30, 2007 08:57 AM | Link to this

Yep, same old Bush Bashing theme. It’s been going now for five years 24/7 and the liberal darlings have only won ONE election. Not everyone is falling for the big liberal lies.

By Michelle

January 30, 2007 09:06 AM | Link to this

By Roy — Yep, same old Bush Bashing theme. It’s been going now for five years 24/7 and the liberal darlings have only won ONE election.

Yes, but it was the one that counted when it was needed. Without that ONE election, we’d be heading for Iran right now, as well as still being in Afghanistan AND Iraq.

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 09:16 AM | Link to this

Good ‘toon Mike but Brian Curtis is correct in saying that it’s a bit dated. But then when you’re right you’re right.

By Roy

January 30, 2007 09:21 AM | Link to this

Michelle - NO, the one that counted was 2004! Even after going into Iraq, President Bush was reelected.

By Michelle

January 30, 2007 09:36 AM | Link to this

Roy: You can fool some of the people some of the time……..

So he got away with that one. What do you think his chances would be, if the presidential election was held tomorrow, AND if it was possible for him to serve another term, of his being re-elected? Slim and none; and slim has left the building.

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 09:40 AM | Link to this

Michelle,

Do you think there is any circumstance when going to Iran militarily is warranted?

All summer long, preceding the election, I heard from the Left that Iran was where we should have gone instead of Irag.

Maybe you’re just a maverick.

By Midori

January 30, 2007 09:51 AM | Link to this

Roy,

If I had DIEBOLD, I’d could have been elected “president”.

People were so repulsed and disgusted by your “heros” in 2006, the sheer numbers made it impossible to steal this time.

Think about that.

And now three in 5 Americans say they just want this idiot to go, and his “presidency” over.

Think about that, too.

By Midori

January 30, 2007 09:53 AM | Link to this

The Unraveling of Dick Cheney

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 09:53 AM | Link to this

Pardon me for answering for Michelle but the ONLY reason for us to go into Iran is if they attacked us. The same held true for Iraq but we went in anyway. Some of us knew it was a mistake then and now all evidence shows that we were correct in that knowledge.

Afghanistan was the only front we all agreed on because they harbored those who actually did attack us. If we had put all the effort into capturing our real enemies instead of going after Iraq, we would have brought them to justice by now.

By Midori

January 30, 2007 09:58 AM | Link to this

Blackadder,

the moron in chief is now trying to provoke Iran into attacking us so that he will have a “valid” excuse for attacking them.

and then there’s this

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 09:59 AM | Link to this

Michell - you are absolutely correct. If 2006 had been a presidential election year we’d have a Democratic president right now. I’m looking forward to 2008.

By ed lorenzo

January 30, 2007 10:07 AM | Link to this

Another Wolf-Cheney Interview

Wolf: Are we winning? Chen: Brilliantly, the insurgents are past their last throes Wolf: I am talking about the Giants Chen: So, your question is out of order Wolf: Fine. Now, is it true that you wrote the torture Manual Chen: Also out of order. Ask something else Wolf: How many oil companies do you control? Chen: Last time I counted. . OOPS! Out of order Wolf! Wolf: Are you really the man running the presidency? Chen: Ask Bush. He’ll tell you you are out of order Wolf: Why did you convince George Bush to invade Iraq? Chen: Saddam was about to develop a Death Ray, a supersonic underwater torpedo and had amassed 20 thousand tons of improved nerve gas, anthrax cocktails, bird diarrhea virus, nuclear missile heads that he planned to install in Canada and Mexico so that he could target American cities. He also had an Army of 10 million trained associates, who looked and fought like Segal or Ranger Walker. Wolf: Mister Vice President, what do you smoke in the mornings? Chen: You are out of order!

By Paul

January 30, 2007 10:11 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish

The board closed shortly after you asked if I’d heard “Fitzgerald really has it in for Libby because he was Marc Rich’s lawyer and helped screw up the case he had on him?”

It is an interesting sequence. Fitzgerald was one of the lead prosecutors for the Southern District of NY - ready to indict Rich for tax evasion. Rich went to Switzerland. Pres Clinton pardoned him. Justice lawyers launched an investigation into whether the pardon was proper. Nothing came of it.

Scooter Libby was the attorney who worked for a year laying a justification for Rich’s pardon. Amazing how some think Libby is a neocon political hack - yet he was also a dispassionate officer of the court working to pardon a big Clinton supporter.

I’d probably think the events were interestingly coincidental - except we now know Fitzgerald knew going in (from the FBI) that Richard Armitage was the source for Novak’s story regarding Plame/Wilson (written, I believe, from the angle that nepotism was alive and well at CIA and Wilson wasn’t all that good a choice for the mission).

F was appointed in Dec 2003 to look into the “alleged unauthorized disclosure of a CIA officer’s identity.” He knew where the disclosure originated - altho he said at the news conference announcing the indictment Libby talked to Miller before that. That could have been an unauthorized disclosure. A few weeks later F received at his request, authority to investigate and prosecute crimes related to interferring to his investigation. He danced around this at the conference - “well, there were a couple of letters in Feb 04 but nothing’s changed” as well as dancing around the question of whether Plame was a covert agent - his answer muddled personal classifications, material and program classifications, people with clearances working classified programs.

So there could be something to it. If so, nothing much will come of it as Libby is charged with a crime regardless of F’s motive. I’ve still never heard if F interviewed Armitage, though. If not the entire thing would sound even more political than it now is.

By Agent Starling

January 30, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

I realize sticking to national and international subjects heightens your ability to win the Pulitzer Prize. It also lets your bosses puff out their chests/breasts that they run a “world class” newspaper. But I wish you’d more often turn that high-power perception on state government. Or maybe your afraid to.

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 10:13 AM | Link to this

Blackadder and Parrot,

I certainly hope that a Democrat does not win the White House in 2008 and follow the Blackadder Strategy of Reactionary Defense. Wait till the hit us and then we’ll attack!

The fact is that Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, and other IslamoFascist groups intent on ours and Israel’s destruction is everywhere, and if we found Bin Laden tomorrow it would be a mere blip on the radar as far as eliminating threats at this point, but would come with heavy casualties - something you all claim to care about.

It’s not like its a deep, dark secret what Iran’s intentions are. It is perfectly idiotic for you and your parrot friends to pretend that we are provoking them.

We are responding to their own provocations which include but are not limited to arming the Mahdi Army with men and equipment, inciting sectarian violence in Iraq, and refusing the inspection of Nuclear Plants.

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

Quote of the Day:

The society which scorns excellence in plumbing as a humble activity and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because it is an exalted activity will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy; neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water. - John W. Gardner.

By Midori

January 30, 2007 10:20 AM | Link to this

“Exercising Congress’s Constitutional Power to End a War” hearings are on right now

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 10:22 AM | Link to this

Midori,

You object to this? Awwwwwwwwwww.

The White House will thus have a gatekeeper in each agency to analyze the costs and the benefits of new rules and to make sure the agencies carry out the president’s priorities.

And

“This is the most serious attempt by any chief executive to get control over the regulatory process, which spews out thousands of regulations a year,” said William L. Kovacs, a vice president of the United States Chamber of Commerce. “Because of the executive order, regulations will be less onerous and more reasonable. Federal officials will have to pay more attention to the costs imposed on business, state and local governments, and society.”

And

Under the executive order, each federal agency must estimate “the combined aggregate costs and benefits of all its regulations” each year. Until now, agencies often tallied the costs and the benefits of major rules one by one, without measuring the cumulative effects.

This it totally evil! /sarc.

By Randy

January 30, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

Mikey, best debate ever. Cheney vs Edwards 2004. Cheney shows up on a ME diet of razor blades. Edwards shows up on a liberals diet of bean sprouts that go limp in a stirfry.

Kerry/Edwards plan at the time. Remove the Iraqi forces from Iraq for training. Would the U.S. be O.K. with you libs? Pack your bedrolls fellas. You’re coming to the U.S.

See why you don’t want a numnutz dem leading our country right now?

Bush/Cheney won for a reason.

Bwaaaaa

By Goldie

January 30, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

Clever ‘toon once again, Lucko!

By LMAO

January 30, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Greg Mitchell writes in his column in Editor and Publisher: “Is it just me, or is Vice President Cheney, in his latest statements, starting once again to sound like another balding, rose-colored-glasses wearing war spokesman, Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, better known as ‘Baghdad Bob’?”

By Eric

January 30, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

Definitely and insult to Darth. Great job, Mike!

By Goldie

January 30, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

I’m gonna miss Al Franken — he’s got the best radio show in Atlanta @ noon!

Al Franken to end radio talk show

By Paul

January 30, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish 10:22

People who object will be more than happy to continue the policy if a Democrat wins the White House.

Agencies are headed by the President’s appointees. They are full of career civil servants who often work only one program their entire career - they make their promotions there, they have expertise there. Many are not particularly good at changing gears when a new executive comes along - they “wait them out.”

Say a Pres gets elected with the pledge to greatly toughen environmental standards, correct past injustices against Native Americans and tighten up rules for use of Federal lands. One could have blocks of these bureaucrats saying “I don’t think so - we can slow-roll this for four years.”

So this kind of order is bad only if you don’t care for the President’s policies (which are being circumvented). If you elect a new President and face similar circumstances, you just love the order.

By Dusty

January 30, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Paul and Buy Danish,

You lay the facts before them and “they” start talking about plumbing and philosophy. Of course, we also have the startling(!) news that Diebold has given us certain politicians and could even give us Midori!! Heaven help us!!

Glad we have your good minds at work here. Nice to read something that makes sense.

Must go. Time’s a’flying…

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

Speaking of Iran, Meredith Viera wants to know if we’re already fighting a proxy war with them and what the future holds.](http://newsbusters.org/node/10494)

Get out the daggers.

By THE MANAGMENT

January 30, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

Folks,

Please, no more posting of articles, press releases etc. If you want to post a link, fine. If you want to post the first graf with the link so people have a sense of what the article is about, fine. A couple of those postings, fine. But no more spamming with long and numerous postings.

This is fair warning that you risk being banned from this blog.

Thanks for you cooperation.

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 10:42 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Except that if there were a Dem president and a Republican congress they wouldn’t be issuing ridiculous regulations that needed to be thwarted.

A Dems prez would issue a new executive order allowing the regulations to go through unimpeded.

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

Goldie - I hear ya. Thom Hartmann will be taking that time slot and he’s pretty darn good too. He’s no Al Franken but he’ll do well.

Al will soon be taking Norm Coleman’s seat. Won’t that be grand?

By N-GA

January 30, 2007 10:46 AM | Link to this

Paul,

If this issue concerning the White House managing what Federal agencies do is such an issue, why is it just now being addressed six years into GWB’s presidency? Are there numerous examples of agencies acting incorrectly? The Judicial Branch of the government seems to fix most of these problems when they occur. Like the recent court decision that went against the administration saying that it was properly not enforcing pollution law/regulation? It would seem that this is more an attempt to appease big business than to protect the American people.

Big business votes with their pocketbooks while American citizens only have the ballot. It would appear that GWB is following the money. GWB already put many industry insiders in charge of agencies in order to allow industry to influence policy concerning global warming and other pollution-related issues. Put on your independent hat and answer the question: Does this administration seem more inclined to favor business over the American people?

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

The Libby trial has been fascinating and disturbing on many levels. Ari Fleischer and Cathie Martin have re-confirmed that practically the entire Washington press corps had been leaked the name of an undercover CIA operative for partisan political reasons. This was back in 2003. Yet, that entire Washington press corps dutifully reported the repeated denials from the White House — including those from Bush — about the leak. And, this same press corps helped push the 2004 campaign spin that Bush and Cheney would keep us safe and were stronger on national security. And, they also reported on the White House outrage over other leaks that would hurt national security. No wonder the White House had such disdain for the media. They were playing the press all the time — and the press let it happen.

The press corps should be ashamed. They enabled the Bush war machine, too. They were almost as bad as the Republicans on the Hill — never asking questions, just doing what they were told. Pathetic.

Liberal press indeed.

By Paul

January 30, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this

Ah yes, Al Franken, what a guy.

I think he’s a closet big-business neocon. Works for Air America, had a million dollar salary. That great enterprise was facing financial difficulties, got a “loan” of City funds, nearly a million, from the Boys and Girls Clubs serving inner-city kids. The clubs faced eviction. Air America execs were indicted. Franken said he wasn’t aware, then negotiated a new salary over $1.7 mil. - then he got it paid in advance (at a time when the shakey enterprise was facing the possibility of paying the money back). And when other employees were being thrown out of their jobs.

Al Franken - just another hypocitical, big-business, exploit the working class, act like you care neocon businessman. Who didn’t even have the decency to share his wealth with the poor and needy by donations or ignoring the tax cuts for the rich and paying more in taxes.

But I guess he was humorous to listen to.

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

President Bush has signed a directive that gives the White House much greater control over the rules and policy statements that the government develops to protect public health, safety, the environment, civil rights and privacy.

In an executive order published last week in the Federal Register, Mr. Bush said that each agency must have a regulatory policy office run by a political appointee, to supervise the development of rules and documents providing guidance to regulated industries. The White House will thus have a gatekeeper in each agency to analyze the costs and the benefits of new rules and to make sure the agencies carry out the president’s priorities.

This strengthens the hand of the White House in shaping rules that have, in the past, often been generated by civil servants and scientific experts. It suggests that the administration still has ways to exert its power after the takeover of Congress by the Democrats.

And I thought Republicans were all about getting big government out of our lives. We sure wouldn’t want scientific experts actually figuring out the best policy. Better to have some Dick Cheney clone make sure that Dear Leader’s arrogant, stupidity-ladened will is stamped on every decision our government makes.

By @@

January 30, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Midori:

You really do need to expand on what you read from your perch. From the margins of your WaPo link:

But the pendulum of Middle East politics may be swinging back against Iranian assertiveness. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, the Gulf states and others have become increasingly alarmed by Iran’s behavior and by widening regional sectarian divisions. Because of this dynamic, U.S. bargaining power in the Middle East is growing. Moderate Arab states understand that the United States is an indispensable counterweight to Iran.

There’s a lot of diplomatic scrambling going on in the Middle East, and it isn’t all bad. It’s behind the scenes Midori, but all you want to do is admire yourself in the mirror.

Off to work.

By RE

January 30, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

After being here a while I think I have come to understand a little of the thinking of people like BD, RW, Dusty and others. It all begins with how they form their opinions and understand the world.

It starts with basic logic. Most people believe in cause and effect, things happen because some other event in the past influeced it to happen. Not these folks. It starts with creation, most people think that the world was created long ago through complex interactions slowly forming over millions of years. Life begins and adapts and changes to it’s enviornment becoming more complex and viable. You can see in nature the interaction of cause and effect, animals like elephants become trapped and landlocked on small islands near new zealand and over the years adapt to become pygmy versions of thier ancestors. Birds adapt thier beaks over generations to better be able to forage for the seeds of the enviornment around them.

Bet then there are those people who do not believe in cause and effect, instead they believe in absolutes of existance, POOF, God made it just as it is. And never question further.

And so it is that these people view modern events. The idea that people just “hate bush” without understanding that it took years of observation of his incompetance that lead so many to not support him.

“Terrorists hate us for our freedoms”, but no thought as to why many muslims think we are interfereing with thier societies. Like an unprovoked invasion.

“Iran is interfering in Iraq” again no thought as to the fact Iran is being and has been threatened by this country for the last 5 years, shares a 900 mile border with Iraq and has it’s own security to consider.

“Democracy brings peace and freedom” when infact the democratic elections in Lebanon, Iran, Egypt, and throughout South America have brought more anti-american leaders than before. There is no question as to thinking maybe it is the current US leadership that brings these problems on.

So there is no point in trying to influence or argue with them. They have come to thier beliefs without logic or reason, therefore logic and reason will not change thier minds.

By AJC Staff

January 30, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Our boss is stupid, just ignore her. She can’t even spell management. We are embarrassed by her. Her excuse is always “Well what do you expect, I was educated in Georgia.”

(Jim Wooten recommended her for the job.)

By Goldie

January 30, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

{{Al Franken - just another hypocitical, big-business, exploit the working class, act like you care neocon businessman.}}

Sounds like something close to YOUR own heart, Paul — you and “Oh Why Didn’t I Fact-Check” O’Reilly who knows everything about the working class.

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

Let me fix that link. I’d hate for you Dems to miss one of your own making sense, like you do to Kristen Powers*.

Meredith Viera on Iran.

Gas Bags and Blowhards,

Here’s some news you can use on the causes of global warming.

*There was an even worse sabotage yesterday. I’ll see if I can find it.

By Paul

January 30, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

N-GA

If there were nefarious purposes, the action should have occurred six years ago, not with two years left.

I think this is something every President faces. It’s not just agencies “operating incorrectly.” The example I cited about correcting injustices against Native Americans is real - Interior has been pathetic for years (and the challenges draaaag on through the courts). Clinton Administration changed human-traficking laws, Bush administration came in. Agencies have only so much manpower, can’t “do more with less” and emphasis shifted from 50-year old traditional civil rights enforcement (where many had made their careers and very comfortably knew the programs and were the experts) and the howls and resignations began.

So while we may line up with assessments of who’s in bed with their contributors, to me the larger issue is - does the Chief Executive set the policy, and if so, can he or she expect it to be followed by careerists?

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 11:05 AM | Link to this

Well said RE!

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Translation of RE’s failed attempt at analysis:

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. And Blah.

And poor Iran, the Ayatollahs have their own security to consider, so how dare we temper their plans to blow Israel off the map, send a proxy army into Iraq, and disperse Hezbollah!

RE,

What’s it like being a clown 24/7?

By Paul

January 30, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

Goldie

You really have a thing about O’Reilly, don’t you? Personally, I find him a bit out there on a couple of issues, but he did turn me around on capital punishment (he opposes it) and I do applaud his work to protect children and punish child predators.

Personally, I prefer factcheck.org and other such sites.

I just reread your post. Rather formulaic - select a quote and slam the poster. Thank you again for your advancing the state of knowledge on this forum.

By Zman

January 30, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Dick Cheney has got to be the most disgusting and vile human being to ever grace this planet. Here is a guy that talks of “not having stomach for the fight” yet he himself couldn’t stomach the fight in Vietnam to the tune of 5 deferments. And now his daughter Elizabeth who works at the State Department was supposed to deploy with a team to Iraq, but was held at home because she would be in “too much danger there.” So I guess it is easy for Dickey Do to “have stomach for the fight” when no Cheney ever will be in harms way.

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

1. Woman gets brutally raped behind building. 2. Woman contacts police who arrest the woman for outstanding warrant. 3. Nurse denies woman emergency contraception for religious reasons.

So it would be better for the woman to get an abortion that to prescribe emergency contraception.

RE said it best: “They have come to their beliefs without logic or reason, therefore logic and reason will not change their minds.”

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 11:18 AM | Link to this

Yesterday’s version of Kristen Power’s sabotaged wiki bio, thanks to some Leftists who just cannot abide by a Dem falling out of lockstep.

{{{Kirsten A. Powers (born c. 1967) is a lapdogAmerican columnist, blogger and political commentator. A centrist Democrat, Powers is a joke of a political analyst on Fox News who appears regularly on shows such as The O’Reilly Factor and Hannity & Colmes If people like Michelle Malkin and Bill O’Reilly are the functional equivalent of the Harlem Globetrotters, Ms. Powers is the Washington Generals. They must be paying her oodles for her to agree so obsequiosly (SIC)with BillO and his minions}}}

And

{{{Since 2004 Powers has been a commentator on political issues from a fake Democratic perspective for Fox News, and has filled in for Alan Colmes on Hannity & Colmes. If Powers is a Democrat, then the party has certainly lost its soul}}}

This was from - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsten_Powers

Note to AJC management - I can’t post the link to this copy because it has been altered and doesn’t exist in this form anymore.

By Zman

January 30, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 11:11 AM | Link to this

Translation of RE’s failed attempt at analysis:

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. And Blah.

That is preferable to your attempt Buy Danish at being human. What a moron and idiot shill for the dunderheaded wingnuts you are. The pied piper goes over the cliff shortly Buy Danish. Please don’t be late to follow him.

By Michelle

January 30, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish — I think that the only reason to go to Iran is if Iran has openly attacked us; especially NOW after what happened in Iraq. We know now that we do not have the military power, to stretch our forces out over two contries simultaneously, to wage war. Our military is not large enough to do this and we are now seeing the ramifications of our actions with the military being stretched thin, the morale is bad from soldiers pulling 3 and 4 tours of duties in either Afghanistan or Iraq, or both.

I think what the “left” was saying is that we should’ve went to TALK to Iran first about the problems in Iraq; before we invaded Iraq.

By Midori

January 30, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

RE,

What a thoughful, wonderful, well-written post.

Thank you for that.

A guy performed an experiment. He joined several right wing blogs, and lived to tell about it.

When you read his comments, you will gain a better understanding of the resident loons (hi, @@) and their delusions

He nails them perfectly.

By Randy

January 30, 2007 11:27 AM | Link to this

Ahw Shucks. Ain’t this so sweet?

France loves us.

“Today, our relationship is back on the right track,” Mr. Levitte told editors and reporters at The Washington Times. “These are not only words; these are deeds.”

His comments on Lebanon’s political crisis, Syria’s behavior, Iran’s nuclear program and its larger role in the Middle East were almost identical to the Bush administration’s positions.

“We share the frustration of the United States, and for the time being, we have decided not to maintain a high-level dialogue with Syria,” he said, citing Damascus’ continued interference in Lebanon.

“There is not much difference between Washington and Paris,” he said. Mr. Levitte also echoed the administration’s recent observations that the U.N. Security Council’s December resolution that imposed limited sanctions on Tehran over its refusal to suspend uranium enrichment is affecting Iranian public opinion.

“We have noted in the Iranian media the beginning of a debate about the situation that Iran is in now — more isolation and confrontation,” Mr. Levitte said.

Progressive thinking was slow, but they now know who the real enemy is. You libs might want to jump on board with your role model.

By Zman

January 30, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

You are absolutely right Michelle. But for the intellectually challenged such as Buy Danish, the only tool that they have in their box is a hammer, therefore every issue is a nail. The wingnuts are not very bright Michelle.

By getalife

January 30, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

RE,

I would add that their bias towards liberals clouds their reality.

Some are paid hacks who sale their souls to sale out their country.

I blogged with the main page editor for wizbang blog and asked him if he was posting about the Libby trial. He said the story did not “grab” him and his readers would not be interested if the story did not “grab” him.

A vice President to testify in a court of law does not “grab” these bloggers? Treason does not grab these bloggers? The lies on the Iraq war does not grab these bloggers?

Of course not, they never post the facts that make this administration look bad. This is what the wingnuts base their opinions on.

Intellectual dishonesty.

By N-GA

January 30, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Unfortunately having policy subjected to political change every few years is NOT a good idea, regardless of one’s affiliation/views (IMO).

US foreign policy has always been ridiculed because the world view is: Just wait a few years and the position of the US will change.

A single example: The largest trade deficit in US history has occurred during this administration (as has the largest budget deficit and the largest national debt). There are “trade negotiations” taking place constantly with little result. The American public is given the impression that something is being done about it, but as long as “big business” is thriving using China’s work force to improve personal fortunes, it will continue. Our policy should be to drastically limit Chinese imports until the Yuan is allowed to float freely, copywriting laws are enforced, and American companies are allowed to operate on an equal footing in China.

When each administration implements its own version of trade policy, it just reinforces the “stall” tactic that has always worked so well when foreign countries are dealing with the US on virtually any topic.

By RE

January 30, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

OK BD, lets look at it from this perspective.

Iraq is bordered by Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and shares smaller borders with Turkey and Kuwait. Would it not be in the soverign state of Iraq’s interest to open up diplomatic relations with it’s neighbors.

By SarahConnah

January 30, 2007 11:37 AM | Link to this

Link:[http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0128-20.htm] HUCKSTERISM. For all you free thinkers left out there (Non Bush Reich Goose steppers}. This is a GREAT story! Highly recommended! Curtsie!

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Midori - 11:25

Excellent link!

By getalife

January 30, 2007 11:39 AM | Link to this

Midori,

Great minds………………..

That kos post is where I talked to the wizbang editor.

Some wingnuts showed up trying to get banned but they failed.

“joewilson” made a comeback at the lgf. LOL.

By Edwin Williams

January 30, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

All of you who think that Cheney is evil, Bush is stupid and we never should have fought this war really do sound like a bunch of pre-WWII defeatests like Daladier and Chamberlain. I just cannot help but remember how badly World War II went for the Allies for so long. If you people had been in control then, we would be speaking German and Japanese right now!

By Midori

January 30, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

Getalife!!!

you scamp!!

your’e all over the place :)

(((hug)))

Thanks, Black Adder :)

By DebbieDoRight

January 30, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

BlackAdder — I read a book once, can’t remember who wrote it though, about how there is no such thing as “free press” in America. It stated that most of the American Free Press is subjugated by the policy makers in Washington. At first I just thought this book was nothing more than junk theories; but judging by the way the current administration denied photo access of fallen soldiers caskets, and how the press was so soft on the Iraq debacle; I’m now inclined to agree.

By Midori

January 30, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

Edwin Williams:

Armchair Military Experts/Generals. A small group of RWBloggers love to read history and confuse the current war with wars that have no real analogy. For example, Clinton was just like Neville Chamberlain. Iraq was just like World War II. Insurgents are like Communists, and so on. These RWBloggers will make references to famous land battles like Arsuf and the Somme, and the Third Crusade. It all sounds great. But little holds up under scrutiny. Like an old college professor once said, If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with b******. I imagine pipe smoking, bow tie wearing keyboardists, totally satisfied with their academic prowess. The astonishing thing about RWB is how little they actually know about the subjects that they write about. Few of them know the difference between the Sunnis and Shias. Most have never heard of Sunni or Shias, but this does not stop them from lecturing you on this.

By Randy

January 30, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

RE, How does this adapt to your spirit of logic & reason?

Target the unsuspecting & impressionable with the promise of a DVD.

DO YOU HAVE A SOUL YOU’RE NOT USING?

A real hands off approach isn’t it? Live and let live my arse.

By getalife

January 30, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

Midori,

I like to challenge the wingnuts with reality.

It is highly entertaining.

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 11:51 AM | Link to this

Proof postitive that Getalife is NOT being paid to blog:

{{By getalife

January 30, 2007 11:29 AM }}

{{{Some are paid hacks who sale their souls to sale out their country.}}}

Michelle,

Has anyone ever told you that you are naive?

How do you “talk” to a lunatic in a country of lunatic ayatollahs? They understand military force and economic sanctions. There is no talking to them.

RE,

There you go again changing the argument and distorting the facts. They are invading Iraq’s sovereign borders, dumbass. That’s like saying that Mexico is sending over millions of illegal immigrants because they value our friendship.

later parrots…

By Paul

January 30, 2007 11:52 AM | Link to this

N-GA

Excellent points. But what can then occur is the pursuit of a policy - trade, for instance - set by the bureaucracy, acting independently of (or avoiding) the Chief Executive and the Legislative branch. Policy will be set - question is by whom?

I was thinking of short-term, domestic issues. One of my favorite examples - the man everyone loves to hate - Rumsfeld. Came in to overhaul Pentagon spending (all those big-donor defense industries?). Wanted to halt (as in stop) procurement of multibillion systems. Skip a generation. Said it was fine for the Cold War, but, um, the Cold War was over for a decade. New threats were obvious. We weren’t ready.

The Pentagon bureaucracy - plus other agencies - slow-rolled him. Too many careers at stake, too much money. As I’ve said - talk a year in was “Can Rummy Survive?” He went up against the bureaucracy and the money interests and he was losing.

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

On NBC’s Crossing Jordan, a new term was introduced into the American vernacular: ACS or Ann Coulter Syndrome.

Dialogue from the show: “So how long have you suffered from ACS? Ann Coulter Syndrome; wherein the afflicted gain strength through the hatred of others.”

By Lord Help Us

January 30, 2007 11:58 AM | Link to this

Be careful RE…

RW-(the dipwad) will be along to question your ‘decency’ and (horrors!) ‘essence.’

His ‘friends’ (Andy, BD, Dusty will all agree too)

Hint: They seem to go this route when their talking points expire…

By DebbieDoRight

January 30, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

Danish: What I’d like to know is how will an American win in Iraq make any bid for democracy in the middle east? The Saudi’s have already said that they will send troops when America leaves to uphold Shia rights. The Sunni’s chief cleric in Iraq has already let it be known that he will fight to uphold his fundamentalist Muslim beliefs even down to the last Sunni child.

This is turning into a theocratic Civil war. America has no business there now but unfortunately I think that we will be stuck there for the next hundred years as “peacekeepers” and targets.

By Paul

January 30, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

BlackAdder

Media Bias? Here we go-

Wasn’t it also an NBC show (ER?) that had a recently publicized segment wherein two moms were looking at Secretary Rice and slamming her as a role model, couldn’t trust anything she said? Didn’t really add much to the storyline.

That kind of writing is highly appropriate on The Daily Show, Letterman, etc., but it just hardens attitudes when done on prime time drama shows. If the broadcast media want to counter the impression they have an anti-Bush, liberal agenda they should bring the scriptwriters up short. Or do a couple segments in the other direction.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

January 30, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Cheeny = Vador?

No!

More like Emperor Palpatine running things behind the scenes until he can become “The Emperor”

Ha! The Emperor behind the Chimperor!

By getalife

January 30, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

BD,

Wow, you just figured out I am not a paid hack.

Good for you or GFY if you will.

Paul,

Boycott ER idiot.

If you paid attention to the Libby trial you would have learned that Tim Russert is the media w******* used to spin the bs on the Iraq war.

And of course there is Faux News. Check out their coverage of the Libby trial and it is pure spin.

Check out the wingnuts blogs and they do not even cover it.

By Michelle

January 30, 2007 12:25 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish: Aren’t we even now “talking” to North Korea? Isn’t Kim Il Jong a “lunatic” who understands military force? What’s the difference?

By Paul

January 30, 2007 12:31 PM | Link to this

getalife

It’s Happy Hour somewhere -

By Midori

January 30, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

{{{{{{Wasn’t it also an NBC show (ER?) that had a recently publicized segment wherein two moms were looking at Secretary Rice and slamming her as a role model, couldn’t trust anything she said? }}}}}}}

and your point is……….what?

By Midori

January 30, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

Delayed Iraq NIE Will Undermine Case For Escalation

By getalife

January 30, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Every hour is happy hour.

Michelle,

The difference is there is no oil in North Korea.

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

At least Republicans are good for something

By Paul

January 30, 2007 12:47 PM | Link to this

Midori

My point was - most broadcast media take hits regularly as being “liberal” or “anti-Bush” - NBC also. Along come a couple of drama shows with, I understand, good ratings and a large audience - and a political message that doesn’t advance the story line is tossed in.

For a media that tries to maintain a “we don’t have an agenda, we aren’t loaded with liberal writers, directors, script writers” this isn’t a particularly bright strategy to build confidence. That was my point. One expects Leno, Letterman, Daily Show (I know, that one’s cable) to take shots at the politicians in power. Turning on an evening drama and getting a partisan viewpoint generally isn’t expected.

Lest you misinterpret - it is not about whether or not I think NBC/broadcast media is or is not biased/liberal/dishonest.

By Paul

January 30, 2007 12:49 PM | Link to this

getalife

Good one!

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

January 30, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Getalife and Michelle

The other thing about attacking the North Koreans is we would actually lose a significant number of troops.

bad for the old Whitehouse image there.

By DebbieDoRight

January 30, 2007 12:52 PM | Link to this

Pay raises should be based on performance — like how it is in the real world.

By Cameron

January 30, 2007 12:58 PM | Link to this

Luckovich: When did strength and resolve become a bipartisan issue?

When a lousy liberal POW cartoonist like you makes chicken scratches for the AJC.

By RW-(the original)

January 30, 2007 01:03 PM | Link to this

Paul,

It really has more to do with whether the show is any good to begin with. For instance Crossing Jordon is not a very good show so a remark like ACS id thrown in to generate buzz for the show. A show like Boston Legal on ABC has every left wing talking point known to man thrown in, but it’s a really good show so the agenda doesn’t really get much notice from the parrot cheerleaders.

RE,

Add psychoanalyst to the list of occupations you aren’t qualified for.

That pretty much has you down to County water bill processor as the one and only thing you can do. At least it gives you time to blog nonsense 24/7.

I’ve got to run, but if you don’t mind could you give me a link to all the transitional elephant fossils as they were evolving into pygmies? Thank you in advance.

By N-GA

January 30, 2007 01:11 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Rummy certainly got rid of a lot of unnecessary waste. It is unfortunate that the Congress didn’t enact legislation to prevent retired general officers from profiting from their former suppliers (pols, too).

However some of Rummy’s decisions have come back to haunt the military (total staffing shrank at the expense of a fast, mobile force with a lot of firepower).

To (not) answer your astute question, I don’t know who should set policy. Someone has to do it. But somehow it needs to be less political. Perhaps government employees need incentives…at least those who have objectives that can be quantified. Or is it that no one can be trusted to put their country first while making intelligent and informed (redundant?) policy decisions. It does seem that invariably the best people are the ones who are ultimately destroyed, or at the very least marginalized, by those of lesser virtue and doubtful character.

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 01:12 PM | Link to this

Paul - I think that the writers are attempting reality by giving the characters dialogue that might be spoken by a majority of Americans.

On 24 last night a character defended a CTU worker who was being scrutinized because she was of Middle Eastern descent. He said “she’s a registered Republican for God’s sake”. It’s just dialogue.

I did think it strange that he thought the fact that she was a Republican somehow made her above scrutiny.

By DebbieDoRight

January 30, 2007 01:14 PM | Link to this

By Cameron: Luckovich: When did strength and resolve become a bipartisan issue?

When the republicans made the announcement that you’re either with us or against us and made anyone “against” the invasion of Iraq seem like fanatical tree huggers who only wanted to sing songs around campfires, (while holding hands and smoking peace pipes).

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 01:14 PM | Link to this

So was that RW’s version of a drive by? :-)

By Clyde

January 30, 2007 01:28 PM | Link to this

Too boring. The same old right wing clods with the same goose-stepping nothing to say. Geesusa. Steal a life.

By RE

January 30, 2007 01:32 PM | Link to this

here you go

or if you want something more technical

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 01:36 PM | Link to this

Just driving by.

If this doesn’t say it all about the MSM, in this case C-BS, actively working as dupes for Al Qaeda.

Un-freaking believeable.

later…

By Midori

January 30, 2007 01:43 PM | Link to this

Blackadder,

that was his impression of a bleat-by-a-a-a-a-a :)

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

January 30, 2007 01:44 PM | Link to this

RE

Don’t waste your time. RW doesn’t believe in or understand science.

He just doesn’t believe in evolution no matter what proof you give him.

RW probably thinks nothing will happen if he mixes clorox and ammonia together too. But that event is quicker than evolution, so he might believe very quickly after he does it.

Or with his mentality maybe he already did it. That would explain a lot.

PNAC

By RE

January 30, 2007 02:08 PM | Link to this

interesting letter to Alberto Gonzales

Well we have heard GWB and cheney talk about how congress has no power to stop the escalation, it should be fun to hear Gonzales’ views on what power congress has during wartime.

He is the same guy who argues that while the constitution does restrict the government from taking away the right of habeus corpus, just because it is in the constitution does not mean habeus corpus is granted.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

January 30, 2007 02:08 PM | Link to this

Your Right Danish

That garbage Michelle wrote is Un-Believeable just like all the other garbage she writes. Gitmo for instance?

But I think you believed!

Michelle gave no absolute hard evidence, just a lot of speculation and “what-ifs”. Video segments for stories come from many shared news pools, and can be seen over and over in many diferent stories. Michelle is a great propagandist, but not a newsworthy journalist.

Next Michelle will discuss UFO’s

PNAC

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 02:09 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - I clicked your link expecting a serious story about C-BS actively working as dupes for Al Qaeda. Instead I see a Michelle Malkin blog. She has even less credibility than Sean Hannity.

By getalife

January 30, 2007 02:10 PM | Link to this

Well BD,

CBS did not air it but Faux did air that Madressa crap.

Since mm posted, it is probably wrong.

No credibilty.

By Cameron

January 30, 2007 02:16 PM | Link to this

Debbie, You’ve made my point. You were asked to join in the initiative but you chose to become chicken on a skewer for the enemy.

We can remain a free country as long as you libs don’t take charge of national security. Singing kumbaya won’t solve the world’s conflicts.

By Congressional Backbone

January 30, 2007 02:20 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - A Senate Republican on Tuesday directly challenged President Bush’s declaration that “I am the decision-maker” on issues of war.

“I would suggest respectfully to the president that he is not the sole decider,” Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said during a hearing on Congress’ war powers amid an increasingly harsh debate over Iraq war policy. “The decider is a shared and joint responsibility,” Specter said.

Looks like the new congressional Democrats are teaching the feeble and decrepit old Republican rubber-stampers how to grow some backbone!

Bet it feels good to stand tall, proud, and be a man after all this time of groveling and boot-licking, doesn’t it Mr Specter? Hang in there bud, it’ll take a while to wear that Bush shineola off your tongue.

By rushncap

January 30, 2007 02:22 PM | Link to this

Poor Darth! Gotta feel for the guy. I mean, he’s evil, sure, but he’s not inept like Cheney.

By the way, does that mean we get to see Dick toss GW into an abyss?

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 02:23 PM | Link to this

Cameron - we’ve lost more freedoms because of the Bush administration than we did any terrorist. At this rate Cuba will be better off than we are.

Vote Democratic in ‘08

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 02:26 PM | Link to this

Iranian president Ahmadinejad might fall out of power if the U.S. doesn’t do something stupid soon

By RE

January 30, 2007 02:34 PM | Link to this

PLease feel open to disagree or add, I was thinking about the history of nations and empires and what lead to thier rise and fall. The first that come to mind are Germany and Japan. Both of those nations held a great deal of power in the 30’s and then went on to military conquest. Both nations were defeated by the Allied powers, but they did not lose those wars and subsequently thier government due to a lack of patriotism or support for thier leaders. The case could be made that had they checked the power of thier leaders, world war 2 may have been avoided. Instead out of nationalistic pride and patriotism, the people of Germany and Japan supported fully the war that they initiated. Both nations also claimed that they needed to protect thier citizens by destroying thier “Enemys”

Great Briton lost much of it’s world influence it held from the 1600-1900 largely because it’s obligations were to vast to support. Not due to lack of patriotism of nationalistic pride.

the USSR is similar in it’s demise. It overstretched it’s obligations and could not meet them financially anymore which lead to the fall of the communist regime.

My question would be, is there any example out there of where questioning the legitimacy of a foriegn war and the leaders conducting that war has lead to a nation’s failure?

By Lord Help Us

January 30, 2007 02:43 PM | Link to this

-Beautiful,

We have a new entry in meaningless ‘Bumper Sticker’ slogans used by the brainless!!

‘Singing kumbaya won’t solve the world’s conflicts.’

Hmmm, let’s break that one down, shall we?

Now, I suppose an intellectual like Cameron is denigrating tactics such as calls for peace, international sanctions, negotiations, political settlements/treaties, etc.

Instead of these tactics, can we conclude that our esteemed colleague has implied that military action is the one, the only, responsible course of action to be taken in resolving the ‘world’s conflicts.’

Now, given that there are dozens of ‘world conflicts’ in progress at the moment AND US military action is predominantly confined to two (Iraq and Afghanistan) one may conclude that the administration Cameron intends to buttress is currently ‘Singing Kumbaya’ in Sudan, Somalia, the Palestinian territory, North Korea, Iran, Waziristan, etc.

As with many people that lack the ability to think and offer insightful posts, Cameron has offered us a simple, analogous perspective and, undoubtedly, considers anyone who disagrees to be a lesser form of life.

Sorry Cameron, but, if it fits on a bumper sticker, it probably does not work in real life. Go back to Rush now…

By Cameron

January 30, 2007 02:46 PM | Link to this

Blackadder, You haven’t lost anything but your backbone.

Where have you been? Ahmadenijad’s demise has been predicted for some time. It was part of the process.

I don’t think GW will push him too hard, he’s got other countries doing that for us. Proxies.

Strategical, not liberal thinking rules the day.

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 02:47 PM | Link to this

Nuked, Blackadder and Getalife,

Squawk! Don’t shoot the messenger parrots. It is true that C-BS didn’t air it, despite their local useful idiot’s desperate pleas and letter-writing campaign.

C-BS DID post it on their website which I would call an endorsement, wouldn’t you?

While you’re not interested in the objective truth, perhaps some readers are.

The footage “obtained by CBS” is identical to that put out by Al-Qaeda. But Logan makes no mention of Al-Qaeda’s video and does not address the implication that the footage she used was off an Al-Qaeda video. And if it’s not off the Al-Qaeda video, then how did she get footage identical to the one used by Al-Qaeda? This needs to be explained.

Furthermore, and this is the most damning indication of journalistic incompetence, Logan makes no mention about the affiliation of these insurgents fighting on Haifa Street. Not even the slightest mention is made that Al-Qaeda is taking credit for the fighting there. On the contrary, the audience is treated to a blanket accusation by an anonymous civilian (wearing a headdress in the insurgent manner) denouncing the Americans and the destruction they’ve brought to bear on Haifa Street.

The Democrats have to get us to pull out of Iraq and declare failure. If we won all would be lost since they have invested everything in our defeat.

By A BETTING MAN

January 30, 2007 02:51 PM | Link to this

20 bucks says Darth Cheney resigns for health reasons before the end of the 1st quarter this year….

By Imperial Presidency

January 30, 2007 02:53 PM | Link to this

CARACAS, Venezuela - Hugo Chavez has just about everything a president could want: popular support, a marginalized opposition, congress firmly on his side and a {{{booming economy}}} as he starts his new six-year term.

Now, he’s about to become even more powerful — the all-Chavista National Assembly is poised to approve a “mother law” as early as Wednesday enabling him to remake society by presidential decree. In its latest draft, the law would allow Chavez to dictate measures for 18 months in 11 broad areas, from the “economic and social sphere” to the “transformation of state institutions.”

Chavez calls it a new era of “maximum revolution,” setting the tone for months of upheaval as he plans to nationalize companies, impose new taxes on the rich and reorient schools to teach socialist values. With near-religious fervor and plenty of oil wealth, Chavez is mobilizing millions of Venezuelans, intent on creating a more egalitarian society.

Republicans should really love this one. It’s the imperial presidency they have always dreamed of!

Just wondering—-> Since we already have a Chimperor, if we go whole hog into Republican socialism, can WE have a ‘booming economy’ like Venezuela?

By The Last Jedi

January 30, 2007 02:53 PM | Link to this

If Cheney is Darth Vader does that make the Cheney daughters the last best hope for the rebellion?

Is the force with them?

By Midori

January 30, 2007 02:55 PM | Link to this

what’s B-a-a-a-a-h Danish bleating about now?

I don’t click on her/his/its links, as I don’t want cooties.

er, Cameron: that’s “stratergerical”. get it right, ok?

By rushncap

January 30, 2007 02:56 PM | Link to this

I doubt Cheney will resign. Who will do Bush’s thinking then? Someone’s gotta run the country, and it sure as he|| isn’t that doof in the Oval Office.

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 02:57 PM | Link to this

Idiot LHU,

“Calls for peace”?

Maybe you parrots can learn that phrase, Squawk it loud and clear and presto-magico, all will be right with the world.

I suggest you get all your parrot friends together to join the Parrots for Peace Choir. Maybe you could have a Parrot Peacegasm while you’re at it.

Before you begin practicing your parrot song, can you can cite examples in history when a “call for peace” has worked without a military victory preceding it?

By Goldie

January 30, 2007 02:57 PM | Link to this

{{Lest you misinterpret - it is not about whether or not I think NBC/broadcast media is or is not biased/liberal/dishonest.}}

Right, Paul— you’re postings here would never lead us to misinterpret your so-called “moderate” viewpoint! You’re always ready to comment about the usual “Clinton did it too/liberal bias at NBC,CBS,etal/you’re just a Bush-hater” right-wing mantra, day after day, ad nauseum… you’re fooling nobody here as far as I can tell!

By Cameron

January 30, 2007 02:59 PM | Link to this

No Lord Help Us, you cannot come to that conclusion. I’m intelligent enough to know that one is valuable to the other. Diplomacy alone is temporary as proven with past efforts in the Middle East.

Diplomacy with military muscle to back it up is Theodore Roosevelt’s walk softly but carry a big stick approach. I support both.

By Beggin for Dollars

January 30, 2007 03:00 PM | Link to this

Afghanistan calls for bigger say in aid spending

Gimmee, gimmee, gimmee. Brother can you spare a dime? Beggars CAN be choosers!

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

January 30, 2007 03:05 PM | Link to this

To: “I’ll Believe Anything NeoCon Danish”

So the footage was seen on an Al Qaeda post. Again? What was the original filming source? Who Filmed it?

Which came first? The ChickenHawk or the EggHead?

Did Al-Qaeda get the footage from the news-pools or did the news-pools get the video footage from Al-Qaeda film-makers?

Does it really make a hill of beans as to who originally filmed it? No, Probably not!

As I mentioned before about shared video pools of Iraq battle footage.

It’s just like seeing the same warplanes shot down over and over again in any film about WW2.

So this propaganda garbage is irrelevant except as just that, a propaganda neocon hack job.

But just like our “Cut, Paste, and Run” Andy, You had no problem in copying the same garbage that we read already from Malevolent Malkin’s NeoCows R-Us website.

To make yet another non-point argument!

Bravo! BrainDead!

PNAC

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 03:08 PM | Link to this

Too bad bush just chose the big stick.

By Lord Help Us

January 30, 2007 03:08 PM | Link to this

Good Cameron, then ditch the bumper sticker slogans…

And, pray tell, how is that ‘Diplomacy with military muscle’ approach working to resolve the ‘world’s conflicts’ in Iraq, Iran, Syria, North Korea, Sudan, etc.?

We must be making lots of progress…

By Goldie

January 30, 2007 03:16 PM | Link to this

Blackadder, I agree with you — Thom Hartmann will make a great replacement for Franken’s noonday show!

By Lord Help Us

January 30, 2007 03:18 PM | Link to this

Here you go BD,

Knock yourself out

I’ll be back to accept your apology later…

By Goldie

January 30, 2007 03:18 PM | Link to this

{{20 bucks says Darth Cheney resigns for health reasons before the end of the 1st quarter this year…}}

Betting Man— now that’s a dream come true!

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 03:26 PM | Link to this

{{{So the footage was seen on an Al Qaeda post. Again? What was the original filming source? Who Filmed it?}}}

Nuked brains,

Squawk! Why don’t you read the links parrot? The answers are all there. There’s even a nice Arabic website you can download Al Qaeda’s video from. You should feel right at home there.

I know its disappointing to find out that a C-BS reporter wants to spread Al Qaeda propaganda to make us look like the bad guys, but isn’t getting away with it.

By Cameron

January 30, 2007 03:26 PM | Link to this

Blackadder & Lord Help Us, Sanctions were applied to Hussein. He ignored them just like Ahmadenijad is now. Hussein ignored them for a longer period of time. He paid the ultimate price and the Iraqis are being given an offer they can’t refuse.

There’s still time for Iraq, Iran has been marginalized, Syria is talking to Israel, North Korea is back at the negotiating table, and Sudan is not our problem while we’re in Iraq. Let NATO take care of Sudan for now.

Later. Have to go for now.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

January 30, 2007 03:29 PM | Link to this

Forget it LHU

Danish wouldn’t be happy if we were at peace and soldiers and other people were not getting killed on a daily basis.

It’s like her soap operas.

Lots of intrigue and action.

By Goldie

January 30, 2007 03:33 PM | Link to this

Here’s some good news in today’s AJC:

WW II veteran, 84, claims $254M Powerball prize

I hope his financial advisor told him to take the early payout millions!

By Paul

January 30, 2007 03:33 PM | Link to this

Goldie

I guess you’re just more comfortable labeling people. When you’re able to only see through an “us vs them” or a “with me or against me” prism, well, you miss a lot. I guess you missed my remarks about Sen Obama. As with many here, I’m not much interested in how you classify people. But it is, at times, mildly irritating when you misstate my comments. Not that I think it’s intentional - I’m just not sure you have the capacity to suspend the formulation of a retort until you’ve read and thought about a post.

As I’ve said before, you’re basing it on the nearly the same topics that tend to pop up here. I’m pretty moderate on a lot of issues (progressive taxes not carried to current extremes, environmental controls but not to the extent they lead to the deaths of others in poor countries). We could get into issues that would very likely make me seem like a Far Left Loonie and you look like - well, you’d make Wolfowitz look like a fairy princess.

The topic was NBC - not Fox News or some of their commentators. It was begun by BlackAdder. RW brought up some other examples, then BlackAdder added some thoughtful comments. As far as I recall, the only time I’ve used the “Clinton did it too” lame argument was.. don’t know that I ever have. I do point out the hypocricy of those who put themselves on a judgemental pedestal - Speaker Pelosi comes to mind with her nonunionized farm workers or justifying the continued oppression of American Samoan workers. What’s amazing is you simply dismiss any consideration of the contradictions - or respond with a seemingly clever argument that is just so much “I hate anyone who doesn’t agree with or reinforce me.”

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 03:34 PM | Link to this

LHU Blooming Idiot,

Backatcha, dumbass - from Wiki.

[A peace treaty is an agreement (a peace treaty) between two hostile parties, usually countries or governments, that formally ends a war or armed conflict. It is different from an armistice, which is an agreement to cease hostilities, or a surrender, in which an army agrees to give up arms.]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_treaty)

Treaty

By rushncap

January 30, 2007 03:35 PM | Link to this

Yeah, for people like Muffin war is essential. She never feels quite as patriotic as when there are coffins of dead Americans to rhapsodise about. For Muffin real patriotism is sitting on a blog while someone else is spilling his or her blood. That way she can hang up a flag and really feel like she’s contributing! You’re right PNAC, it’s the housewife soap opera syndrome: live (and die) vicariously through others.

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 03:40 PM | Link to this

Nuked Brains,

I’d be delighted with a victory where what was left of Al Qaeda went running away with their tails between their legs, that punk Al Sadr was turned to dust, and maybe Hezbollah operatives taken out with him.

Peace follows victory and defeat.

By Lord Help Us

January 30, 2007 03:41 PM | Link to this

Sorry again Cameron,

Iraq is a disaster, Iran’s influence and strength has grown as has their nuclear capabilities, Syria’s support of Hezbollah continues unabated, North Korea is building nuclear bombs as fast as they can and, possibly, exporting weapons/technology, and we should help in Sudan if we can.

Your naivete on each of these situations is scary?

Have you been talking to Dick Cheney?

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

January 30, 2007 03:49 PM | Link to this

Cameroon

How did Saddam ignore the sanctions again? Please tell me how he went so far that clearly justified our invasion? WMD’s?

Syria may be talking to Israel, but our (Sunni) allies in the middle east like Saudi Arabia are beginning to not want us as their allies anymore. This is because we have increased the strength of the Shiites and Iran and this threatens them directly.

Maybe the crazy dictator of Iran will fall from grace and be a footnote in history (we can all wish and hope for that). But Iran and Iraq as both Shiite ruled countries becomes a dangerous thing in the middle east balance of powers and religion.

Buy Danish the only parrot I see squawking (over and over) is you who insist on repeating (and copying) your NeoCow MM and her article that is still a political hack job piece of garbage.

MM’s post is not journalism, it is political rhetoric and slanted at that. There are no issues in it being discussed, just slamming CBS. It doesn’t matter where the footage or filler came from as a source in the CBS story. All that matters is the actual journalistic news story itself.

She (and you) are picking at non-important issues.

Squawk On Fruit Danish!

Or is it Darth Danish?

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 03:54 PM | Link to this

Lying rushncap,

I left you a message last night, but you probably didn’t see it, which would be a darned shame:

{{{By Buy Danish

January 29, 2007 09:02 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

You may know a lot about the stability of Heteroduplexes, but the bottom line is that you’re an arrogant little squirt who is too big for your ski pants.

If you were as smart as you think you are you’d realize that you’re not quite so smart after all.}}}

By Blackadder

January 30, 2007 03:54 PM | Link to this

Two things are clear regarding Iraq. First, if this civil war continues to escalate and spills over into the greater Middle East, it will result in economic disaster for every oil-dependent country in the world. Terrorism will thrive on the ensuing chaos, and America in particular will pay dearly. Clearly that is the direction we are headed.

Second, there is no military solution. We are not fighting terrorism in Iraq, and never were. We are in the middle of a conflict based on religious hatred that goes back centuries. We don’t know if we are supporting Shia seeking revenge for years of oppression by a Sunni minority, or Sunni fearful of Shia reprisals for past transgressions and lost power.

The best we can hope for is that negotiation and reconciliation will provide an uneasy peace for the next couple of years.

Hopefully, a new Democratic president can provide the leadership capable of achieving a lasting peace in the region. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, driven by ideology rather than intellect, common sense or public opinion, are incapable of accomplishing this.

Adding 21,500 more troops only lowers our expectation of the Iraqi government. Iran and Syria are a big part of the solution to this mess, and we must open talks with them, distasteful as that may seem.

That’s it for me today. See you all tomorrow.

By Michelle

January 30, 2007 03:55 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish said I must be naive; but what does PNAC mean? (If it’s something disgusting I don’t want to know). Thanks.

By Lord Help Us

January 30, 2007 03:56 PM | Link to this

Geez, BD, you’re as dumb as Andy…

Reread the line in my post that has you all bunched up:

Now, I suppose an intellectual like Cameron is denigrating tactics such as calls for peace, international sanctions, negotiations, political settlements/treaties, etc.

Now, where did I say ‘peace treaties,’ dipwad?

By rushncap

January 30, 2007 03:58 PM | Link to this

Oh yes, Muffin, I can see how your message to me was so important that you just HAD to repost it.

I don’t work with heteroduplexes, and I’m not all that smart. It’s amusing how you keep claiming that i supposedly think I’m all that smart when you have absolutely no evidence of it, but that’s par for the course for you.

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 04:00 PM | Link to this

{{{MM’s post is not journalism, it is political rhetoric and slanted at that. There are no issues in it being discussed, just slamming CBS. It doesn’t matter where the footage or filler came from as a source in the CBS story. All that matters is the actual journalistic news story itself.}}}

Nuked Brains,

It doesn’t matter that C-BS is using al qaeda propaganda footage that blames Americans, and not didn’t reveal that fact to its viewers?????

P.S.

“Parrot” is already taken. Midori is the Original Parrot. You’ll have to try to come up with something original.

By Goldie

January 30, 2007 04:05 PM | Link to this

{{I guess you’re just more comfortable labeling people. When you’re able to only see through an “us vs them” or a “with me or against me” prism, well, you miss a lot.}}

My only suggestion to you, Paul, is that you step away from your computer for the rest of the afternoon, and take a long look at yourself in the mirror… you’re deluding yourself if you think you’re coming across here as “a moderate” and that you yourself are not prone to labelling people here.

By Michelle

January 30, 2007 04:11 PM | Link to this

{{George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, driven by ideology rather than intellect, common sense or public opinion, are incapable of accomplishing this.}}

I think GWB and Cheney were driven by greed and power. GWB wanted to go down in history for doing something that, in his eyes, his father didn’t do, topple Hussein; and Cheney just did it for Haliburton.

If GWB would’ve just talked to his father, (which he didn’t do — although the elder Bush has never publicly critized his son for the War, he did, publicly speak about his son treading lightly and looking at all the variables), if he would’ve talked to his father maybe he would’ve found out that the elder Bush kept Hussein in power because Hussein was the only one who could keep Iran in check.

With Hussein gone, and Iraq in turmoil, Iran is now making its bid for power and Middle East Domination by creating nuclear weapons.

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 04:13 PM | Link to this

Lying Rushncap,

You’re right, beyond heteroduplexes you’re really not very smart. But you can’t claim you know nothing about them. How far do you want to push this?

You claim I “rhapsodize” over dead soldiers. How about what you rhapsodize over rushncap?

By Goldie

January 30, 2007 04:14 PM | Link to this

It’s deja vu all over again — here’s how our GA reps at the capitol want to spend their time in session:

State Rep. Clay Cox (R-Lilburn) has revived legislation that would prohibit all state and county government agencies and school boards from barring people from saying “Merry Christmas,” “Happy Hanukkah,” or any other holiday expression.

I guess it has about as much relevance today as the ban on flag burning and making scapegoats out of “illegal aliens” who are taking away our jobs…

By Midori

January 30, 2007 04:19 PM | Link to this

B-a-a-a-a-h Danish,

who is the “original parrot” now?

no wonder you praise her.

“birds of a feather” and all…..

BLEAT FOR PEACE!!!!

By Paul

January 30, 2007 04:20 PM | Link to this

Well Goldie, I think I’ve broken the code - anyone not an extremist on your end of the “I hate Republicans and never admit a Democrat ever did anything wrong” spectrum or a “Bush is right on everything” is what you seem to call a “moderate.”

Wow, what a view of the American political scene. Thanks for the laugh.

By rushncap

January 30, 2007 04:20 PM | Link to this

The only time I had touched on heteroduplexes was in high school for a project. Since then I’ve done nothing with them, so I don’t consider myself an expert in the least.

I rhapsodize about sanity. Sue me, Muffin.

By Midori

January 30, 2007 04:22 PM | Link to this

doesn’t B-a-a-a-a-h Danish remind one of the school yard bully? Flanked by her flunkies, always trying to intimidate?

Is that how you earned your lunch money, Hon?

By Midori

January 30, 2007 04:24 PM | Link to this

B-a-a-a-a-a-h Danish

oh my. you’re molting, dear

don’t they have lotion or some kinda salve for that?

By Paul

January 30, 2007 04:29 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish

Kinda reminds you of those protesters who have lotsa neat slogans and chants but couldn’t find Iraq on a map, doesn’t it?

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

January 30, 2007 04:30 PM | Link to this

(Revised and Updated just for Birdy-Bye Danish)

The evolution of a Neocon:

1) The Pigeon Phase: An easy target for neocon indoctrination. Their small brain capacity is perfect for basic behavioral modification. Usually found picking at seeds in chatrooms.

2) Ostrich Stage: Sticks head in ground and ignores all facts concerning world affairs and issues. Definitely a flightless bird.

3) Parrot Phase: Squawks a lot while repeating things heard on radio talk shows and read to them from various neocon publications. Once they have a certain phrase memorized, they will repeat it endlessly over and over. Note that this repetitive motion is just simple imitation, and is not them actually expressing any actual thought themselves.

4) Chicken Phase: These neocons run for cover after their failures have been proven. They are often found shouting the sky is falling and everyone is in danger so you must run with us or you are a traitor to the flock. They have a tendency to be distracted by bright colors and sounds. Often found strutting around the barnyard like they know what they are talking about.

5) ChickenHawk Phase: This is the most advanced evolutionary stage of the neocon and also the most dangerous. This bird truly believes they can do no wrong, and that they are gods. they do this while hiding behind all the other birds and thus using them to do their bidding. They must use these others because they have no real skills of their own and cannot stand to actually do anything themselves. Sadly they can lead all the other birds to their death much like lemmings with their loud songs of aggression.

6) Vulture Phase: These carrion eaters subsist entirely on the death that follows from a neocon failed plan. Often seen circling congress after a leading ChickenHawk falls to the ground, these birds can be found picking them for any usable parts. Their calls are often made in legal sounding voices. They are disgusting birds that try to blend in with all the others but their smell gives them away every time.

7) Turkey Phase: These birds are found strutting about like they have done great and wonderful things, yet they have done nothing at all. In fact the only thing they have done is stuffed themselves with food and pooped all over the place. However come November on election years they try to hide all their misdeeds lest their necks be put on the chopping block.

8) Loon Phase: This stage of th

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 04:32 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Yes dear, I know all about it.

By Goldie

January 30, 2007 04:34 PM | Link to this

Paul— no code broken. Anyone who comes here sympathizing with Don “Stuff Happens” Rumsfeld can hardly be called a moderate. But I guess that’s what someone hiding in sheep’s clothing might think…

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

January 30, 2007 04:39 PM | Link to this

(Cont)

8) Loon Phase: This stage of the neocon bird is when all they have left for them is blogs and chatrooms. Usually banding together with other loons, they repeat their calls hoping someone will listen to them. Their minds truly believe that all that the neocon birds have done great deeds and their was never any mistakes made. Their call is a haunting yet incessantly chattering call. Loons are not to be taken seriously though. Loons are pretty much a vain, petty, and useless bird.

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 04:39 PM | Link to this

Midori- (the Original Parrot)

You know, I don’t take too kindly to little punks like rushncap who make all sorts of hideous allegations about me, like he did today, and has in the past.

If you don’t like bullies, you may want to take it up with him.

The truth is, you have no idea how nice I’m being to rushncap right now.

By Paul

January 30, 2007 04:43 PM | Link to this

Goldie

Care to make the same comment to N-GA at 1:11?

Just what is a “moderate” according to you, anyhow? And why do you care what I or anyone else thinks on a variety of issues? I thought libs were the “live and let live” group - nope - those’re Libertarians. Uberlibs are the “live and believe as I do or !@%!” group.

By RE

January 30, 2007 04:44 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

I can sympathize with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld… etc.

I have known lots of people, more men than women just like them. They take a position and stand by it. The problem is when it comes out they were wrong, they refuse to admit mistakes. Pride keeps them from doing the right thing because it would mean they were wrong.

I sympathize, I know more people like that than I care to. Sympathy does not mean I condone it however

By rushncap

January 30, 2007 04:44 PM | Link to this

Pssst. I think Muffin has finally lost it. Her last post to me does not even remotely make sense in the light of what she was responding to.

Poor poor Muffin. Too much reality in one day. Sorry ‘bout that.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

January 30, 2007 04:51 PM | Link to this

Michelle

PNAC - “People for a New American Century” is a conservative thinktank.

It’s members helped usher and push Bush into office. He is their puppet IMHO.

PNAC coined the phrase Axis of Evil, seven years before Dubya took office.

Most of this thinktank’s original signers of their “Statement of Principles” are now members of Bush’s staff.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

You may notice a lot of very familiar names on that charter of their principles.

If you google PNAC, with other things like Bechtel, Halliburton, Enron, Exxon Mobile, etc., you can see how deep their ties really go with secret deals and politics in the middle east and elsewhere around the world.

But if your like Buy Danish, then you trust your leaders without question, just like the Nazi’s of old.

My Nick is a parody of what the PNAC is! So wake up America! Your being taken for a ride!

PNAC

By LuckoDull

January 30, 2007 04:52 PM | Link to this

Do any of you pinkos know that Darth Vader is a fictional movie character, a figment of someone’s imagination?

Just like “global warming” is:?

Two powerful new books say today’s global warming is due not to human activity but primarily to a long, moderate solar-linked cycle. Unstoppable Global Warming Every 1500 Years, by physicist Fred Singer and economist Dennis Avery was released just before Christmas. The Chilling Stars: A New Theory of Climate Change, by Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark and former BBC science writer Nigel Calder (Icon Books), is due out in March.

Not to mention that the US losing in Iraq is make believe too.

Your whole lib world is nothing but a big cloud of smoke.

Dope smoke, hehe.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

By Paul

January 30, 2007 04:56 PM | Link to this

Peoples for a Nuked…

If I may add another phase:

Dodo - disappear from all you’ve helped put into motion. When questioned respond “look it up in the history books.” Reappear on another front, get the big bucks and continue to pull strings but act like you’re extinct.

Remember Wolfowitz?

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 05:00 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

It made perfect sense. I know all about you and Heteroduplexes. I also know about some of your rhapsodies.

Hey, did you happen to watch this tournament last weekend? I know you don’t like golf, but I thought you might have enjoyed this one.

By RE

January 30, 2007 05:06 PM | Link to this

Settle down Andy,

I am sure you can still find books out there saying that cigarettes are not linked to cancer and lung disease, McDonalds is healthy to eat everyday, and caffiene is not an addictive substance.

However just paying a professor to write a book does not make it so

By rushncap

January 30, 2007 05:10 PM | Link to this

And now Muffin thinks that she knows more about my life than I do. I guess there is not much to be said about that other than….. “there there Muffin”. She is also implying that she is cyber-stalking me, though for her sake I hope that’s not true. Whatever…

By RE

January 30, 2007 05:10 PM | Link to this

Anyone else confused about Iraq

So Apparently in Najaf, a group of Shia opposed to the al-maliki government because of thier ties to IRAN was put down by US and Iraqi forces.

just to repeat.

We are fighting against the Shia who are opposing Iran. Doesn’t that mean we are propping up a pro Iranian government?

Is there any group in Iraq we are not fighting?

By bon scott

January 30, 2007 05:19 PM | Link to this

Someday, someone at some esteemed center of learning (Kennesaw State?) will write a doctoral dissertation on why a handful of wingnuts continue to spend hours a day on a “liberal” blog defending a senseless mideast policy “led” by a President who has the brains of a salamander.

To the sane people here (especially RE today), applause.

To Andy, good to see the meds are working. I’ll pray for you.

To RW, I’m going to need surgery to close up the rupture-inducing wound sparked by your complete acceptance of the ‘Sara in California’ love letter you got. Trust me, I’m a guy (and not one who lives in California), and I’d be an idiot to send a personal email to you, knowing you can nail at least the region where I post. An on-line aquaintance named finch taught me all about your little blog tricks. Hee hee. Nice to see that, just like Andy, the mere thought of me keeps you awake at night. For the record, I never visit your pile of dung anymore. Haven’t since last spring. I’d much rather enjoy the weather here in Bluffton.

I used to think you were stupid. Not anymore. Go back to licking Dick Cheney’s….. boots.

By @@

January 30, 2007 05:23 PM | Link to this

Ya’ know Paul. At least the liberals liked??? me when I first appeared here. I was and remain liberal on a lot of issues. It took them awhile before they started calling me an “idiot”. A religious zealot. A Bushbot. Yadda yadda yadda…

It took me a long time to take Andy’s advice…”Frisk the liberals first”. You live and learn.

Anyway, I’M LINKING TO FOX NEWS

Somebody linked to this at Wooten’s today, and I saw the video on O’Reilly last night, the husband likes him.

Read the responses by the Hollywood experts in the anti-war movement. These people don’t have a clue, but they’re all the rage with the anti-war crowd.

My favorite on Fox is Greta VanSustern. Next…Brit Hume.

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 05:24 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

I’m implying that you’re not very smart afterall. And you may want to remember that the next time you want to behave like little punk rushncap.

By Lord Help Us

January 30, 2007 05:25 PM | Link to this

Has anyone else noticed that:

The ‘Red’ states are generally well BELOW the ‘Blue’ states in virtually all Education categories.

Also, people that believe…

-evolution is a myth…

-human activities are in no way affecting global warming (that is those that don’t think global warming itself is a myth)…

-and the ‘Bush doctrine’ of preemptive military intervention has been proven out in Iraq…

These dolts are ALL Republicans.

And you morons wonder why no one takes you seriously…

By rushncap

January 30, 2007 05:27 PM | Link to this

Muffin, darling, what, are you threatening me? What are you gonna do? Whine? Tell everyone the great secret that I went to high school in San Diego? Please. Be a good little b!tch and go back to watching soaps.

By Paul

January 30, 2007 05:29 PM | Link to this

@@

Another sorely needed laugh as the day winds down. Thanks!

I get the humor of your second sentence. Can bounce Sally Fields’ Oscar remarks (You like me!!!! You Really Like Me!!!!) with Simon Cowell’s First Rule of Hollywood, “When your friends are down, kick them.”

Amazing how nonreligious types can be so hung up on dogma, isn’t it?

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

January 30, 2007 05:30 PM | Link to this

LOL

Too True Paul !

Ohhh so true.

Paul I think your one of the last True conservatives left alive. What counts as conservative now is just sad.

Wolfie hides his deeds oh so well. Doesn’t he?

PNAC

By LuckoDull

January 30, 2007 05:35 PM | Link to this

RE: It’s a deal.

I’m going to start writing a book forthwith. I intend to call it “RE, ‘theory’ of cranial warming.”

Or maybe it’ll be “cranial cooling.”

It all depends on the weather next week.

You won’t find my book in the fiction section.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

By @@

January 30, 2007 05:36 PM | Link to this

…Oh, and Charles Krauthammer.

By Paul

January 30, 2007 05:43 PM | Link to this

@@

I read O’Reilly’s column from your link. Regardless of the merits of his points, if that’s the best the Hollywood actor spokespersons can come up with… they need new scriptwriters.

Peoples

Goldie thinks I’m a flaming moderate. You have me as a True Conservative. But you phrase it so much more nicely!

Wolfowitz is a great example of what I was referring to earlier - a bureaucratic, political appointee with an agenda who manipulates others, stays largely backstage, then when unintended consequences kick in or when theory crashes head-on into reality they skulk away and leave others to clean up their mess. Except this is one mess that won’t clean up so well.

Hey getalife - happy hour beckons!

By @@

January 30, 2007 05:43 PM | Link to this

…Oh, and one other thing. It was a liberal on this site that said Charles Krauthammer looked like a Chernobyl victim.

They’re such nice people, those liberals.

By RW-(the original)

January 30, 2007 05:46 PM | Link to this

bon scott,

Since your “on-line acquaintance,” finch, also lives in Bluffton you two should meet. He’s as big a dumbass as you if he thinks an email has anything to do with a web site visit so you’ll have something other than residing in the same skull in common. It does prove that you actually listen to the voices in your head though. How’s General Seeker?

By getalife

January 30, 2007 05:47 PM | Link to this

@@,

Taking Andy’s advice?

hahahahaha.

Thats funny, when has Andy been right about anything?

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

By RE

January 30, 2007 05:52 PM | Link to this

@@, Fox news is more entertaining than CNN or MSNBC most of the time, but in general there is not much news on. I think Shep Smith is the only NEws anchor, all other shows are opinion shows. Hume, O’Rielly, Hannity, Gibson, even the business guy are opinion based shows.

The thing I do not get is how fred barns and bill kristol still get to be on that program night after night. They have not gotten anything right about foriegn policy in 5 years. My favorite quote from kristol:

“There’s been a certain amount of pop sociology in America … that the Shia can’t get along with the Sunni and the Shia in Iraq just want to establish some kind of Islamic fundamentalist regime. There’s almost no evidence of that at all. Iraq’s always been very secular.”

Yeah that was in 2003. How did that prediction play out?

By getalife

January 30, 2007 05:56 PM | Link to this

Those S** were cult wingnuts in Nutjob Iraq.

They were fighting for the return of some Islam religious figure.

Mmm, sounds familiar.

Who knew there were Iraqi wingnuts in Iraq?

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

By RE

January 30, 2007 06:00 PM | Link to this

Cranial cooling…..

you know, that comment wasn’t funny, insulting, or informative. Are you just typing for your own sake or could you just not think up a witty retort?

By @@

January 30, 2007 06:00 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

He’s been right about “the liberals” all along. Reference my 5:23, and explain why I’m a “idiot”, a “religious zealot”, a “Bushbot” (I’ve disagreed with Bush on several issues, mostly domestic).

Unless of course, you agree with all of them.

You are welcome to call me a “yadda yadda yadda” though.

By N-GA

January 30, 2007 06:00 PM | Link to this

Almost nothing said about today’s toon. That is easy to understand. ML most likely had this one sitting in his back pocket waiting for a “no news” day. This toon could be published any day of the year and still ring true…but it a trite toon about an easy target. ML is capable of so much more.

Paul..what do you think about this:

The USA has, for more than 60 years, spent the largest part of its budget on defense. Germany and Japan were prevented by treaty from spending anything. As a result, their economies prospered as well as their infrastructures.

The USSR spent like the USA on defense, and ultimately the ruble collapse was the primary cause of the dissolution of the USSR. They could no longer pay their bills (or their military or their pensioners). The USA simply outspent them.

With the exception of Korea (in the early 1950’s), the PRC has stayed out of international conflicts (and the accompanying expense). It could be said that the PRC is now driving the USA into bankruptcy much like the USA did to the USSR. Any truth to any of this?

I say this because many think the most significant screw-up of this administration is Iraq…I think it is cutting taxes while increasing spending to the point of an economic meltdown.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

January 30, 2007 06:04 PM | Link to this

Yes Paul

Wolf has been the primary catalyst and instigator of this whole Iraq war, yet how many people even know his name.

Paul since you are “enlightened and illuminated” are you aware that the PNAC is largly defunct now? They are mostly an organization in name only now. Once the cabal of the PNAC got the Whitehouse, then their little think tank social club was just a side tool to take flak away from their other plans.

Check to see how many people are still active at the PNAC. (LOL)

Ellen Bork is about the last mohican left. They have now moved to the AEI American Enterprise Institute.

(The AEI, which has become the natural home for refugees from the American Project, is promoting an article entitled: “Choosing Victory: A Plan for Success in Iraq”.)

Scary and Sad all in one.

PNAC

By @@

January 30, 2007 06:10 PM | Link to this

Well golly gee RE. Aren’t we all here sharing our opinions?

There is no news outlet that isn’t tainted with bias.

BTW, you forgot Mort Kondracke, as well as several left leaning commentators. Some of them are extreme left. Would you have me ignore their opinions, as well.

I honestly don’t see that balance on CNN or MSNBC, and yes, I watch them.

Sorry, but Shepard Smith is just silly to me. Silly….can’t make up his mind whether he wants to be a comic or a news anchor.

The days of just reporting the news are gone. That’s why I spend more time in print media. Checking out the same story from different outlets.

Somewhere in between, lies the closest thing you’ll get to the truth.

By Paul

January 30, 2007 06:12 PM | Link to this

@@ 5:43

That’s just plain nasty. Making fun of someone so seriously injured in an accident - pathetic. The guy has a tremendous intellect. Funny thing is, take his name off some of the columns and replace it with some liberal columnist and many of the ubers here would nod their heads and say “that’s right!”

RE: “entertaining” is a good word. I usually record Brit Hume’s show, skip ahead to the roundtable (I rather like Mara Liasson and Krauthammer) then fast forward to the blip at the end when they pull a comedy spot from Kimmel Live or Letterman. Ever notice how Brit Hume quietly prods the panelists and pushes them or challenges to get specific? Many times Barnes and the other guy just kind of mumble through.

Ever see the movie “Dave”? Kevin Kline as President? A couple of those guys were on that movie as political commentators! Whew - that’s almost as good as a career in politics - all talk and no responsibility!

By getalife

January 30, 2007 06:15 PM | Link to this

@@,

No, Andy is wrong as usual.

The majority of the American people voted for change and they were not all liberals.

The liberal, blah, blah, blah crap is is old and has been changed to the Democrats, blah, blah, blah which is still wrong.

It is the American people, some Dems, some Indys, and some cons. An American majority. When you start your arguments with liberals blah, blah, blah, you will look silly like Andy.

By LuckoDull

January 30, 2007 06:19 PM | Link to this

By RE January 30, 2007 06:00 PM Cranial cooling…..you know, that comment wasn’t funny, insulting, or informative.

It was sarcastic though, “global warming”/ global cooling, need I explain?

Look at the libs trying to jack up their pay after a whole week on the job:

But Republicans angered over the political attacks are unwilling to allow Democrats to reinstate the so-called members’ COLA, forcing Democratic leaders to scuttle the 1.7 percent pay hike for the entire year. “There will be no COLA adjustment,” said a disappointed Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the House’s No. 2 Democrat, on Tuesday.

So much for “fiscal responsibility.”

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By @@

January 30, 2007 06:20 PM | Link to this

…Oh, and Dennis Miller. Like his delivery, but he needs to keep those little side-shots off the screen.

Get with me Dennis. Oops, shoulda been get with it Dennis.

By RE

January 30, 2007 06:22 PM | Link to this

c-span, the only real way to get the news is to see it happen. Also, terribly boring most of the time, except for the early morning call in portion. Now that is comedy. You get the most outlandish nutjobs from the right and left call in and spout out crazy theories. The best part of it is that no matter how nutty or incoherent, or obviously drunk the caller is the c-span moderator lets them speak and deadpan says “thank you for your call”

By @@

January 30, 2007 06:23 PM | Link to this

Well, Getalife, how does it look when the libs blah blah blah about the neo-cons blah blah blah?

Did you just call me a yadda yadda yadda?

By RW-(the original)

January 30, 2007 06:25 PM | Link to this

@@,

Here’s another example of a liberal making a nasty remark about the appearance of someone. In this case it was about Laura Ingraham while she was undergoing treatment for breast cancer and her hair was just starting to grow back.

{{{{By RE}}}}

{{{{March 23, 2006 06:40 PM | Link to this}}}}

{{{{The church lady was at least kinda likeable, I would hope you pick someone aside from Laura Ingram, I saw here on the TV the other day, she kinda reminds me of the woman’s field hockey coach he drives a volvo with her “Friend” Janet on the way to lilith fare}}}}

{{{{Did I make the allusions with sterotypes strong enough? I mean she kinda looks a little Butch}}}}

By RE

January 30, 2007 06:28 PM | Link to this

yeah please explain

By Paul

January 30, 2007 06:29 PM | Link to this

N-GA

I largely agree. Remember, too, those constitutions were in large part dictated by the US. Plus they took some wise domestic steps (Japan letting oil prices reflect the shocks, US tried to “control” them).

Tremendous US defense spending. The percentage is arguable - more fun with numbers - are transfer payments a budget item? But yeah, we spend, I think, way too much. “Peace dividends” never materialize. Honestly, though, many politicians treat the budget as a jobs program (GA would take quite a hit if Robins closed).

You bought up some good points about the collapse of the USSR. Some have said we outspent them and bankrupted them. Rather funny, don’t you think - after the Soviet Union imploded we got a better look at their real economic situation and military spending - the CIA was so far off it was astounding! Guess they’re being consistent, still - and then their economy seemed to mirror the US “Robber Baron” period, alienating the people and paving the way for a more repressive regime. I’ve looked into his eyes in a picture - and I get a cold spot in the middle of my spine.

Your PRC/financial point is worthy of discussion. Just look at who owns our debt - and the impact when the shift is to Euros. Iraq is on the table - excuse the mixed metaphors, but China and a resurgent Russia (check out their energy leases throughout central Asia) - are flanking us.

Peoples 6:04 - thank you for your gracious compliment. I wasn’t aware of the PNAC transformation. Rather like a phoenix and a chimera rolled into one, aren’t they? Ever read any Ludlum novels? I used to think they were pretty fantastical. Then I watched the people you referenced. Rather leads into another of those eternal questions - don’t those people ever learn?

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 06:37 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

No, dumbass. I don’t think anybody cares where you went to high school.

You told us a long time ago that you were from San Diego, so the fact you went to high school there would hardly be an earth-shattering revelation. A fact which, I must point out, you volunteered, not me.

You have told us many times how smart you are, so your new found modesty is just that - something new.

By @@

January 30, 2007 06:37 PM | Link to this

RW:

I remember that comment as well. But I thought they had the market cornered on compassion.

Another lesson learned. Albeit too late, for Objective Observer, OO, and @@.

By RE

January 30, 2007 06:39 PM | Link to this

Got me RW, good job. In defense, I did not know she had cancer, and I still think she looks a little butch.

Now can you please explain to the group how empty your life is when you go back though 9 months of comments to find something disparageing I said.

Does it make you feel better or worse now?

By Paul

January 30, 2007 06:41 PM | Link to this

RE 6:22

Then you may enjoy the Diane Rehm show on NPR radio. She’ll have a few panelists on, differents parts of the spectrum and the same CNN callers call in. The response is oftentimes, “Well… that’s a good point.” I wish the panelists wouldn’t encourage them!

I rather liked the line used in a previous life when comments like that were made in a meeting: “Of all the opinions expressed today, that was certainly one of them.”

By Midori

January 30, 2007 06:44 PM | Link to this

RE,

reference your 6:39 - I sprayed hot tea on my moniter :)

here’s some red meat for the wing nuts

enjoy!!!

By RE

January 30, 2007 06:45 PM | Link to this

Hey, is Laura Ingrahm getting together with Mary Cheney anytime soon?

By Midori

January 30, 2007 06:45 PM | Link to this

nother good one!!

By RW-(the original)

January 30, 2007 06:46 PM | Link to this

RE,

I have an excellent memory when it comes to liberals that can never tell us enough how compassionate they are, but comments like that just roll off their keyboards without a second thought.

If you knew anything about search engines you would realize I didn’t have to pour through nine months of comments to find that. It took about ten seconds.

By getalife

January 30, 2007 06:47 PM | Link to this

@@,

I think wingnuts spew, spew, spew.

Yadda, yadda, yadda refers ro sex on Seinfeld.

By RE

January 30, 2007 06:48 PM | Link to this

Laura Ingraham: you decide, field hockey or cheerleading

By @@

January 30, 2007 06:49 PM | Link to this

RE:

I started keeping files on comments too.

It was ml’s “Pot to Kettle” (later changed to “Today’s Cartoon”) that inspired me to do so.

By RW-(the original)

January 30, 2007 06:51 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Buy Danish, I haven’t had a chance to read the whole blog today, what’s got Dmitry’s panties in a wad?

By One Voice

January 30, 2007 06:53 PM | Link to this

Last night while doing coursework I stumbled upon a passage that strikingly resembled rw and BD’s thought patterns and the way they form beliefs. It was not surprising to find out that Rw & BD fell into the low range of adult cognitive function. Predictably, Dusty and Andy fell into the lowest, most primitive cognition ranges. See if these statements from a from a PhD level psychology text seem descriptive of rw and BD’s limited cognitive function (my brackets added):

Knowing in stage 3 is characterized by the belief that in some areas even authorities may not currently have the truth [evolution, global warming]. However, the belief is maintained that knowledge will manifest in concrete data at some future point. Thus the understanding of truth, knowledge, and evidence remains concrete and situation-bound. In areas where authorities know the right answers, beliefs continue to be justified via the word of an authority [Emperor bush] . However, in areas where authorities still don’t know the answers, they see no way to justify knowledge claims, explaining that until future developments show the truth, they decide on the basis of what “feels right” at the moment.

Because individuals maintain the belief that truth will be manifest in concrete data at a future point, they claim that the use of probabilistic evidence to substantiate a belief is arbitrary and that interpretation of belief is illegitimate [evolution, global warming, bush’s treason, Iraq‘s failure].

Confusion stems from the need to make decisions without absolutely certain knowledge. Confusion also arises from a lack of understanding that belief and evidence are separate entities and from not knowing how they can be coordinated in the process of justifying beliefs. To the outsider, such views often appear arbitrary, unjustified, and unstable [all of their beliefs].

Rather, they choose evidence that fits their prior beliefs [big-business Christianity] and presume that others do the same. As a result, they often dismiss the views of authorities as biased [scientists, CNN], assuming that experts evaluate evidence the same way they themselves do or that experts opinions are no different from their own. These individuals do not reason that evidence entails a conclusion but use personal beliefs to choose the evidence used to support preconceived beliefs.

Hmmm….

By @@

January 30, 2007 06:54 PM | Link to this

Well Getalife, Yadda yadda yadda?

J/K……….(and giggling).

By RW-(the original)

January 30, 2007 06:59 PM | Link to this

Hot comes to mind when I look at the 6:48 link. The five of spades is RE’s version of a dream girl though, which would you prefer?

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century~!

January 30, 2007 06:59 PM | Link to this

LOL @ Getalife and @@

God I feel like I’m in a Seinfeld episode!

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 06:59 PM | Link to this

RW,

Apparently rushncap’s ego feels threatened. It’s not my fault that he’s not as smart as he has pretended to be.

By LuckoDull

January 30, 2007 07:01 PM | Link to this

The best news of the day:

In Najaf, deputy Gov. Abdul-Hussein Abtan said that more than 300 militants were killed and 650 captured in the battle, which ended Monday. He said 11 Iraqi troops were killed and 30 wounded.

But look at what the libs at Fox think is more important:

At Least 58 Killed in Attacks on Shiite Holy Day in Iraq- In the deadliest attack, a suicide bomber blew himself up among a crowd of worshippers entering a Shiite mosque in Mandali near the Iranian border, killing 26 people and wounding 47, according to police.

What a brave, courageous band of killers Al Qaeda is, sending a suicide bomber, probably some brainwashed child, to kill innocent worshippers.

They do know how to score the front page headlines in all the pinko anti Bush scandal rags, the libs would marry up with and cheer on Satan if they could score some points in the president’s a-ss.

Meanwhile, the Iraqi army lights up a major scumbag base of operations, killing all kinds of human filth murderers, and they libs have nothing to say of it.

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By Buy Danish

January 30, 2007 07:04 PM | Link to this

One Voice,

I only had a chance to briefly scan your ridiculous post.

What I do is show things like the fact that C-BS has reporters that use Al Qaeda propaganda footage for their relentlessly negative Iraq reporting, but don’t tell us where the footage came from.

That’s called reality, jackass. You’re the one living in fantasyland.

By RW-(the original)

January 30, 2007 07:08 PM | Link to this

Of course if you change what’s in stalker boy’s brackets to things like [Iraq as a potential threat] you get most of the moonbats here.

Kind of sounds like OV is using personal beliefs to choose the evidence used to support his erroneous and preconceived beliefs.

By RE

January 30, 2007 07:10 PM | Link to this

I am very proud of you RW

By One Voice

January 30, 2007 07:12 PM | Link to this

Granny, you may want to read the description of your own ignorance at 6:53 before attacking someone else’s intellect, especially rushncap’s, who is obviously much brighter than you can ever hope to be.

You DO live in fantasyland with you consistent insistence that bush has been correct most of the time when he has obviously been wrong in almost everything he’s done, your continuous denial of evolution, and your adherence to forming your world views around your belief in the great spaghetti monster in the sky. But that is one of the symptoms of stupidity- you’re not smart enough to realize that you’re not smart.

By One Voice

January 30, 2007 07:14 PM | Link to this

Ah, rw the molester is back. Don’t you have 16-year-olds to fondle, Rick?

By LuckoDull

January 30, 2007 07:15 PM | Link to this

One Voice calling Conservatives cheerleaders while he cheerleads.

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By RW-(the original)

January 30, 2007 07:20 PM | Link to this

Stalker boy,

Why don’t you back that accusation up, punk?

RE,

I didn’t think even you would like that view of Gawdawfulho. I stand corrected.

By severio nesich

February 12, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

BUSH IS AN WARRANTY IDIOT,,, BUT VERY DANGEROUS, BECAUSE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE,AND BESIDE HE IS A DESESPADO MAD,MAD MAN, LIKE A MAD COW DESEASE. TO SAVE HIS SKIN, AND REPUTATION ,,HE WILL DO ANYTHING FROM NOW ON, LIKE START THE WORLD WAR 3, HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE FOR HIM , HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE ANY MORE.SOOOO, AMERICA WAKE UP,IMPEACH THIS DANGEROUS CRAZY COWBOY, HE WILL DO IT, IF WE DIDN’T STOP HIM NOW. AND DON’T FORGET CHENEY. HE IS WORSE,, MAYBE ,EQUAL. BUT WITH ONE DIFFERNCE, BUSH IS A MORON IDIOT, BUT CHENEY IS A DANGEROUS FOXY BASTARD.

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February 13, 2007 12:38 AM | Link to this

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