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Home > Opinion > Mike Luckovich > Archives > 2007 > January > 23 > Entry

Lots of candidates

By Mike Luckovich | Tuesday, January 23, 2007, 09:02 PM

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By Mrs. Godzilla

January 24, 2007 08:04 AM | Link to this

How about that Jim Webb?

There is no hint of “champagne squadron” about him.

By @@

January 24, 2007 08:22 AM | Link to this

Funny cartoon ml. I like what Giulliani had to say about the campaign.

“He fully expects to see 2012 candidates begin campaigning before the 2008 election is held.”

Jim Webb’s speech was very well written. He stepped into the hallowed halls like a stormtrooper though. I’m not sure how receptive the old guard will be to him. He’s been described as a loose cannon by his fellow representatives.

Well written, but no solutions. No Democrat interviewed offered solutions or details.

Disappointing.

By regulator

January 24, 2007 08:48 AM | Link to this

Bush didn’t offer anything, same old warmed over crap. As one of the neo-cronies always puts it: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 08:50 AM | Link to this

This was Bush’s sixth SOTU address. It was also the first one in which he called for “reaching across the aisle” in a spirit of bipartisanship. I wonder why he didn’t bother using that rhetoric in the last five SOTUs?

Don’t bother to answer. We all know why.

Jim Webb was awesome in his rebuttal!

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 24, 2007 08:55 AM | Link to this

I suspect “storm trooper” would be more effective on national security than swagger.

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 08:56 AM | Link to this

All in all though the speech was a total flop. Seriously. There is nothing there. Bush was pathetic. The GOP is flailing. The Republicans stood by their man for years. Never questioned him, never challenged him. Bush and his party are bad for America.

And, we all know George Allen’s macaca moment was significant. But, one more time, we see just how important it was. Jim Webb’s eight-minute speech said more than all of the major speeches Bush has given for the past couple years.

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 09:04 AM | Link to this

I really think Bush’s speech got re-written at the last minute after they’d gotten so much heat for their announced plans to pretty much ignore Iraq. Speaking of ignoring, what the hell happened to family values and the social conservatives? Did they get ANYTHING in the entire speech? Abortion, gone. Activist judges, gone. Gay marriage, gone. That’s the sleeper shocker of this speech, the utter cleansing of anything that would appeal to the family values crowd. They have truly become the crazy aunt in the attic, to be hidden at all costs.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 24, 2007 09:13 AM | Link to this

Hey Blackadder… I like the way you think.

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 09:14 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla - You are absolutely correct. I’d take Jim Webb over Bush ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. Webb’s family is rich with military service to our country.

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 09:28 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G,

It’s a good thing you like the way Blackadder thinks since it’s non-stop diarrhea of the keyboard from him.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 24, 2007 09:32 AM | Link to this

RW And a pleasant good morning to you too!

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 09:52 AM | Link to this

Good morning Mrs. G!

Did you enjoy that fine speech from our President last night? Chock full of reality and solutions as opposed to that ridiculous response that offered nothing but blame and complain.

Sadly I won’t be able to join the thoughtful discussions that are sure to take place here this morning. I’ll be back late this afternoon to read all the various ways people come up with to say “Bush sux but we have nothing to offer.”

By @@

January 24, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

Blackadder:

Your 8:50 comment? You have got to be kidding!!!

Bush’s acceptance speech in 2000 called for and promoted bipartisanship.

Might I suggest you do some research on Bush’s SoTUs. I’m looking at transcripts from every one of them, and in each one he offers and calls for cooperation. He commends Democrats for their efforts in bipartisan legislation.

He even refers to Ted Kennedy as “his good friend” on NCLB.

You wouldn’t favor one direction when you slither would you?

When you do your research, and I know you will, be sure that they’re “official transcripts”. Nothing from DailyKos, DemocratUnderground, Truthout, etc. etc. etc..

Now…please enlighten me on the solutions (in detail) that the Democrats had to offer.

Empty Democratic rhetoric doesn’t mean crap to me, as a voter.

By Truthman

January 24, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

Cute, very cute!

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 24, 2007 10:15 AM | Link to this

RW

Yes, I certainly did enjoy the SOTU. The tradition is elegant.

I must however respectfully disagree with your comment regarding “reality and solutions”. I would say we got 50 minutes of worn out platitudes, deceptive pandering and misleading rhetoric costumed as fact.

But, to each their own.

By Dusty

January 24, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

Well,

That was a grand speech the President made last night. Americans should be proud of the President. He presented good ideas with honor and intelligence.

He was absolutely correct in saying that a successful finish to the Iraq War is essential to the security of the USA if not the world.

I also liked the compassionate touch of presenting those who are entrepreneurs, caring, fighters for their country and those willing to risk their lives for others. It was a good part of his speech.

Our President is a leader among men. I am thankful that we have him.

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

“Bush’s acceptance speech in 2000 called for and promoted bipartisanship.”

Yeah we saw how serious he was. The ONLY reason he said that was to appear to be a “uniter” after “winning” the election by the skin of his teeth. Right after that he was all about reversing everything good Clinton did for the environment. It’s been down hill ever since.

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

Dusty - what flavor is the Kool-Aid today?

By Goldie

January 24, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

Jim Webb certainly presented a nice contrast last night between he and the other Dems who have actually served in the armed forces, as opposed to Dubya and his Mafia gang who managed to find “other things to do” during the American occupation of Viet Nam. Dubya makes the Repugnant Party look like a bunch of wussies who are only interested in sacrificing other Americans’ children in their campaign of “spreading democracy” in Iraq.

By Kelly

January 24, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this

Dusty, what planet do you live on? Our President isnt a leader among men. He is an idiot among men. Countless lives of innocent soliders have been lost, and for what?

I dont want him to present ideas, I want him to present solutions. I will be glad when his term is over. Atleast when Clinton was in office, the only thing folks to complain about was him getting favors by a fat intern. Atleast he did his job!

By Jonathan Alter - NEWSWEEK

January 24, 2007 10:29 AM | Link to this

For the first time ever, the response to the State of the Union Message overshadowed the president’s big speech. Virginia Sen. James Webb, in office only three weeks, managed to convey a muscular liberalism—with personal touches—that left President Bush’s ordinary address in the dust. In the past, the Democratic response has been anemic—remember Washington Gov. Gary Locke? This time it pointed the way to a revival for national Democrats.

Webb is seen as a moderate or even conservative Democrat, but this was a populist speech that quoted Andrew Jackson, founder of the Democratic Party and champion of the common man. The speech represented a return to the tough-minded liberalism of Scoop Jackson and Hubert Humphrey, but by quoting Republicans Teddy Roosevelt (on “improper corporate influence”) and Dwight D. Eisenhower (on ending the Korean War), he reinforced the argument that President Bush had taken the GOP away from its roots.

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

In January 1999, after his impeachment by the House of Representatives, Bill Clinton’s job approval rating was 65%. In January 1987, Ronald Reagan’s was 52%. Lyndon Johnson received a 47% approval rating in early 1967, even as debate about the Vietnam War raged. Johnson’s lowest approval rating was 35%, reached in August 1968.

Bush sits at 28%. Why is this idiot still being taken seriously even by morons?

By GaNative

January 24, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

The only thing Bush has accomplished in two terms is INCREASED THE PRODUCTION OF BODY BAGS. We should name a cemetery after him and Rumsfeld. The Republicans couldn’t win again if a monkey was on the democratic ticket.

By Randy

January 24, 2007 10:44 AM | Link to this

Webb needs to put a detail on his party’s solutions.

It’s all in the details.

Have the dems got details?

Nope! Not a one.

Bwahahahaha………

By Dusty

January 24, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this

Blackadder,

Only you know about the KoolAid or do liberals call it “Band Aid” since they have NO ideas other than stick-on complaints about conservatives?

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

The Dems have a plan AND details. The problem is they’ll never outline those plans on FOX News.

It’s out there - you just aren’t listening.

By Truthiness

January 24, 2007 10:55 AM | Link to this

Concerning Bush:

“He believes the same thing Wednesday that he believed on Monday, no matter what happened Tuesday.” -Stephen Colbert

By Truthiness

January 24, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

“As it does every year, the State of the Union matches up two bitter rivals: The President. And words.” -Jon Stewart

By Nomad

January 24, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Jim Webb is Pelosi’s water boy. The only thing is that the water bucket is empty. Dems have no plans and it shows. The only plan they think they have is to blame the Republicans. Lets see how far that gets them.

NOMAD

By getalife

January 24, 2007 10:58 AM | Link to this

Yes, Mr. Webb is a great American but the bar is set very low with w.

Please excuse Dusty, she thinks she lives in North Korea and w is lil Kim.

By Dusty

January 24, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Kelly,

Your loyalty to the ever straying President Clinton gives us no surprise about your opinion of President Bush.

If Clinton was doing his job, people were too busy snickering to notice.

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla - concerning your 9:13. Thank you. I almost missed it. Ditto to you.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 24, 2007 11:00 AM | Link to this

Randy,

To be accurate - his party does have a solution. In fact,there are multiple options on the table. You can find them with a little time and your web browser, if you are truly interested.

Understand though, that just because you do not agree with or understand the options does not mean they do not exist.

By Scooter Libby

January 24, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

“I will not be sacrificed so Karl Rove can be protected.”

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 24, 2007 11:22 AM | Link to this

NOMAD

Shouldn’t your statement really be “I don’t like the Democrat’s options”?

That way we know you have an honest disagreement on stategy and are not simply repeating talking points by rote.

By GaNative

January 24, 2007 11:25 AM | Link to this

It’s so funny listening to Republican Conservatives hollering “Support Our President”, when that phrase was never in their vocabulary when Clinton was in office.

By getalife

January 24, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

Randy,

Stop lying loser.

The Dems do have plans.

Try reading idiot.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 24, 2007 11:30 AM | Link to this

spelling correction “strategy” sorry

By Concerned

January 24, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

I don’t blindly support this administration. I definitely don’t believe this administration is perfect.

However, I do get frustrated with the anti-war crowd ignoring a couple of simple facts.

First of all, we have won the war. We won the war the minute we took Saddam Hussein out of power and installed a democratic Iraqi government. We are not fighting government soldiers over there. We are being attacked by terrorists that are upset we won the war.

Second of all, we have not seen any kind of terrorist attack in the United States in five and a half years. Why? They are too busy fighting us in Iraq to worry about attacking us at home. Yes, it has resulted in the death of some of our soldiers which is regrettable and tragic. However, It has saved countless lives at home.

Third, the democratic party needs to wake up and realize a few things before I can vote for them.

Welfare is being abused badly. We do not need to consider handing our hard-earned money out like candy. I support some forms of welfare. However, we have third and fourth generation people doing nothing but freeloading off of welfare.

I saw a suggestion by a conservative that said we should make people work for and earn their welfare. The response from a person on the left: We can’t make people work for welfare.

This country is a free country. However, the founding fathers never intended free to mean that you can do whatever you want whenever. There are limitations to what you can do. It seems the Democratic party will support the ability of people to do whatever they want as long as those people give them money.

By claude

January 24, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

GaNative, what kind of support did you think oh slick willy need? Someone to hold his trousers? Someone to pass a tissue?

By Randy

January 24, 2007 11:43 AM | Link to this

Mrs. G & Blackadder, If the plans and solutions, IN DETAIL, are out there, you shouldn’t mind showing them to us.

There’s work to be done. You two dems need to get on it. PRESENT YOUR PARTY’S PLANS FOR US.

Everybody has agreed that leaving Iraq post-haste is not an option.

Southern Democrat linked to a military poll at Wooten’s this morning. He got this response.

[[By brooksdawgs]]

[[January 24, 2007 09:33 AM | Link to this]]

[[southern democrat, thanks for pointing out that article for all us. It basically tells us that the majority of the military still supports our president. In addition it tells us they really like the American public. Also, they do not like the liberal media or Congress. Now what do the liberal media and Congress have in common these days?]]

It’s all in the details of Southern Democrat’s link. He thought he’d done your party a service but he f*** up like Webb did last night when he said the majority of the military was in opposition to Bush.

Get off your lazy dem asses and SHOW US THE DETAILS.

I’ll be back later to check them out.

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

GaNative - I’ve been asking the same thing for a couple of years. I wonder why they never respond?

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 11:56 AM | Link to this

“We won the war the minute we took Saddam Hussein out of power and installed a democratic Iraqi government.”

THEN WHY ARE WE STILL THERE?

“We are not fighting government soldiers over there. We are being attacked by terrorists that are upset we won the war.”

NO, WE’RE CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A CIVIL WA BETWEEN THE SUNNI AND THE SHIA.

“We have not seen any kind of terrorist attack in the United States in five and a half years. Why? They are too busy fighting us in Iraq to worry about attacking us at home.

THEN EXPLAIN WHY WENT 8 YEARS WITHOUT AN ATTACK AFTER THE FEBRUARY ‘93 ATTACK ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. CLINTON WAS PRESIDENT FOR THOSE YEARS UNTIL JANUARY 2001. THEN WHAT HAPPENED? WE WEE ATTACKED BECAUSE BUSH IGNORED A STARK WARNING IN THAT ILL FATED DAILY BRIEFING.

“Yes, it has resulted in the death of some of our soldiers which is regrettable and tragic. However, It has saved countless lives at home.”

“SOME” OF OUR SOLDIERS? I’D CALL MORE THAN 3,000 MORE THAN “SOME”. NOT TO MENTION THE MORE THAN 5,000 WHO CAME HOME MISSING BODY PARTS AND THEIR MENTAL HEALTH.

“Welfare is being abused badly. We do not need to consider handing our hard-earned money out like candy.”

THIS STATEMENT IS CORRECT BUT NOT IN THE WAY YOU THINK. IT’S CORPORATE WELFARE THAT HAS RUN A MUCK.

I’D GO ON BUT HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT YOU CAN’T TEACH A WINGNUT TO THINK.

By Dusty

January 24, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

getalife,

I almost missed your little jewel about me. I thought you were busy down in the Louisiana swamps applying for more and more Katrina aid.

I mean those cigars you smoke are expensive even when Castro gives his favorites like you a big discount.

So hang in there, buddy. Our president is going to save your sorry skin whether you like it or not.

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Randy - Why don’t you get off your lazy Bushbot @$$ and watch something other than FOX News? It’s all out there. Plain as the nose on your face. The fact that you aren’t aware of it proves that you have been ignoring it or getting your information from all the wrong sources.

How do I know they never outline the Dem plan on FOX? Because I watch it from time to time for a chuckle. I’m not opposed to hearing what the opposition has to say.

By Paul

January 24, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Goood cartoon. Wonder which candidates Mr. L will set his sights on first?

Okay SOTU. Wasn’t nearly as earth-shattering as some of the news reports led me to think it would be. Don’t think there was enough of success against jihadists (other than Iraq) - Somalia, southeast Asia, breaking financial networks. Not enough regarding successes with N Korea (again, financial isolation) or other options (financial embargo). Would have liked more “what’s on horizon” - China and Russia policies impacting America.

Latest Gallup Poll

Link:http://www.galluppoll.com/content/default.aspx?ci=26230

shows a majority of Americans are pretty satisfied with the state of the economy, think they pay too much in federal taxes and are not at all pleased with health care. They’re really upset with Medicare/Aid and immigration.

He could have played up the positives more and shown some change of course in his earlier proposals - and challenged both party leaders “if you don’t like it, work with it.”

Those energy proposals aren’t gonna cut it. CAFE? Fine - but SUVs, trucks, minivans aren’t “cars” and the increases won’t apply. There goes half the vehicles. Ethanol? As I understand it, it’s a net loss, at best equal. Expect the charges/countercharges to fly on this one.

Link:http://www.factcheck.org/article446.html

Same with health care. Republicans have too much faith in “the market” Democrats have too much in “the gov’t.” Both miss the mark, I think.

Immigration the same - I don’t believe in “Leadership by Polling” but there are some pretty big margins in those results.

Democratic response - well, I don’t mind talking to “the region” - but why would Iran want to make life easier for us? Instability serves their national interest. Last couple of days we see some religious leaders may be reigning in Ahmadinejad - possibly some contacts could go to the religious leaders through third parties. That’s messing in the details, though.

Well, Americans will want these problems dealt with. As long as someone else pays for it. Bipartisanship? I’ll believe it when I see it. Offers will be there - but little action, I’m afraid.

By getalife

January 24, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

crusty,

No aid needed for me but the infrastructure in New Orleans needs help. Yes, this is an American city.

“Governor Kathleen Blanco is calling on congress to open an investigation into recent claims by former FEMA Director Mike Brown. He said last week that the White House played partisan politics in the way it dealt with hurricane Katrina.

According to Brown, the White House wanted federal control of Louisiana during and immediately after the storm to make our democratic governor look weak.

But, Brown said, the White House did not do the same with Mississippi, which has a republican governor.

The White House denies the claim.”

Lets investigate Brown’s claim.

By claude

January 24, 2007 12:14 PM | Link to this

Dusty, nice one! I like that. Yes! Good one. I wonder if the folks out in Colorado are Blaiming Bush for the snow and are wanting their aid? Did any looting and murder and rape occur during that storm? And if so, is it still like in Louisiana?

By GaNative

January 24, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

Two ways to end the war quickly: 1) Send lil Barbara and Jenna over there. 2) Turn Bush over to the Iraqi people and let him see first hand how much they appreciate what he’s done for them.

By Goldie

January 24, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

{Welfare is being abused badly. We do not need to consider handing our hard-earned money out like candy. I support some forms of welfare.}

Concerned— so, I’m guessing your support of “some forms” of welfare is for the BILLIONS OF DOLLARS given out to profit-makers such as the American oil companies? Corporate welfare is so much more acceptable, yes? As opposed giving to hungry children who may have dead-beat parents… such compassion the Repugnants have — those poor starving CEOs with the oil companies and their families!

By Randy

January 24, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

A quick peek before I go. It’s just like I thought.

Blackadder and his GLORIOUS GOOFBALL PARTY DOESN’T HAVE A PLAN.

Looking good MOFO, just like your DO NOTHING PARTY OF DEMS.

By getalife

January 24, 2007 12:17 PM | Link to this

Concerned,

Google the hydrocarbon law to see that Iraq is not close to being won. The Kurds are against, when they found out about it.

It is just getting started

It is all about the oil and the rest is bs.

By GaNative

January 24, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

Remember the “Clinton Body Count” list that the Republicans had circulating when Clinton was in office? It was a list of all those who died during his administration who supposedly he had a hand in their deaths. Well, why isn’t there a “BUSH BODY COUNT” list going around? Afterall, the number of deaths he’s responsible for makes the Clinton list look like a short story.

By GaNative

January 24, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

Remember the “Clinton Body Count” list that the Republicans had circulating when Clinton was in office? Supposedly it was a list of all those who died during his administration where he had a hand in it. Why isn’t there a “BUSH BODY COUNT” list? Afterall, the number of deaths whose blood is on his hands makes those they claim are attributed to Clinton look like a Short Story.

By Goldie

January 24, 2007 12:27 PM | Link to this

{Did any looting and murder and rape occur during that storm? And if so, is it still like in Louisiana?}

claude— please supply links for us to show where there was murder and rapes occurring in Louisiana during the Hurricane Katrina.

What?! Can’t find any proof of that? That’s because that was all media hype — and most of it was started by Fox News and Oxycontin Limbaugh, et al… You really need to get better news sources before you start posting such ignorance here!

By Buy Danish

January 24, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

This is so amusing. Mrs. Godzilla and the rest of the parrots claim there is a Democrat Plan out there hidden in some web browser somewhere.

Is this a game of 20 questions? Animal, vegetable or mineral? Bigger than a breadbox?

Or maybe there’s a pirate’s map with a big X marking the spot where this plan is hidden?

Is this it? I think I found it, but I’m not sure because it’s a Plan to Surrender, err, Strategic Redeployment.

By Dusty

January 24, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

getalife,

get out your gun as the locals are returning to New Orleans. Nine murders so far?

You better get over there. Nagin is a joke and your governor doesn’t know the rules on federal intervention in state emergencies. She is going to waste your money just to prove she didn’t know what she was doing.

Better save your advice on politics for Louisiana. Somebody oughta tell ‘em.

By GaNative

January 24, 2007 12:29 PM | Link to this

I knew this Bush Administration smelled like a SKUNK the minute the HONORABLE COLIN POWELL resigned. Powell wanted no part of their lying azzes.

By GaNative

January 24, 2007 12:35 PM | Link to this

I can’t believe Bush got away with killing Saddam, his boys and his half brother among others. Somehow he has the American people fooled into thinking that Saddam’s government did terrible things to their people. WAKE UP FOLKS. All governments do terrible things to their own people including America. Remember Waco? Ruby Ridge? How about the 1921 Riot in Tulsa OK where they used planes and BOMBED them. Funny how they won’t dare BOMB Iraq, they’d rather fight a ground war and kill their own people. Oh, and let’s not forget the 60’s era of the Civil Rights Movement where America looked the other way while thousands perished.

By getalife

January 24, 2007 12:40 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I wonder why Lieberloser wants to block investigations on Katrina.

Definitely hiding something but you do love your criminals.

By rushncap

January 24, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this

Bush plan: “Drive bus into ditch. Keep foot on the gas (although the bus is upside down). Blame Democrats for not stopping him from driving into ditch. Appeal to idiots.”

Working like a charm.

By Dusty

January 24, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

You are correct about the Democratic Plan. It is like looking for the needle in the haystack. And we get so much “hay”, like Mrs. Godzilla or the “well informed” Goldie who doesn’t know there is a big increase in crime, even murder, in New Orleans.

Keep giving them the facts.

I will be gone for most of the afternoon.

By pink lady

January 24, 2007 12:55 PM | Link to this

Getalife do you ever blog on the Augusta Chronicle? I have seen a getalife on there several times.

By rushncap

January 24, 2007 01:01 PM | Link to this

Well dang! Dusty’ll be gone. Thankfully since Muffin has nothing else to do in her life, we’ll still have some much needed bottom-of-the-intellectual-barrel posts to keep us entertained.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 24, 2007 01:02 PM | Link to this

Randy,
Didn’t your parents teach you to do your own homework?

Buy Danish, I see you have a problem with the Strategic Redeployment. You call it surrender. We disagree. Is it not a mark of character to admit mistakes or failures and then correct them? Perhaps we disagree there also.

Sorry, but this “parrot” is just not into name calling.

Concerned,

I believe there is one reason and only one reason we have not had a new terrorist attack on our soil. The Terrorists have not wanted to bad enough.

Look under your own kitchen sink, or in your basement or tool shed. Are there not some items that could be used to take down a plane or destroy property? Aren’t those same items in every household? Are our borders not completely porous?

Don’t be naive, if they want to get us they will.

But they win when you are terrified.

By Shawny

January 24, 2007 01:03 PM | Link to this

21,499. Kerry just said he is out.

By rushncap

January 24, 2007 01:04 PM | Link to this

cnn.com says that John Kerry won’t run for President. You can all exhale.

Sorry repubs. I guess the 2008 campaign will have to be about more than “John Kerry has no charisma”.

By Shawny

January 24, 2007 01:07 PM | Link to this

…and John Kerry has no plans…and John Kerry has no position…and John Kerry, though talking out of both sides of his mouth, can’t get the left and right sides to agree and back each other up with previous comments.

Dang!

By pink lady

January 24, 2007 01:12 PM | Link to this

If President Clinton is so terrible why has Bush, Sr. got so chummy with him and had him for a house guest?

Did Bush, Sr. cheat on Barbara as the gossips used to say?

Is it true that birds of a feather flock together?

By rushncap

January 24, 2007 01:15 PM | Link to this

Yes, Shawny. We can now focus on “Bush has been the worst President in maybe a century. Do we want to give his party the White House again?”

So the Republican front-runners are McCain and Giuliani. Democratic ones are Obama and Hillary. I can hear Pat Robertson and the neocons weeping quietly.

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 01:15 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

It’s pretty obvious that Kerry won’t run simply because he knows full well that Hillary would leak his complete FBI file and military records.

As much as you guys like to whine about Swiftboaters being liars, Kerry knows they aren’t.

By Stark

January 24, 2007 01:15 PM | Link to this

We need a president who is fluent in at least one language.

By @@

January 24, 2007 01:19 PM | Link to this

Paul @ 12:10:

I’m always looking at several pieces of the geopolitical puzzle.

Any country with a radical extremist problem, and their governments response to the problem.

China…pursuing global influence while dealing with internal problems at home. BTW…Look…Hu’s got religion…

“With the Vatican’s proven power to mobilize citizens, as well as the growing number of Roman Catholics in China, the Chinese recognize that cooperating with the Vatican will help to prevent future internal disorder.”

They’re also compromising on “property rights”.

…and then there’s Russia. I remember Andy, whose viewpoints I respected, said about Putin…”this man is not our friend.”

He, too is pursuing world power. His renewed interest in India is intriguing. I think India will benefit more than Russia though.

Anyway, nice to see your analysis of the SoTU.

Later!!!

By Ditzty

January 24, 2007 01:24 PM | Link to this

@@, for crin out loud. President Bush looked into Putin’s soul and found a good man. Why isn’t that good enough for you? Why do you hate America? What else can Bush do wrong? Geeze.

God Bless America

By rushncap

January 24, 2007 01:29 PM | Link to this

RW, don’t let me be the one to yank you out of your dream world. You’re an intellectual preemie — you won’t survive in the world on your own, without a nice warm womb of neocon fantasy to nourish and sustain you. Enjoy that.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century!

January 24, 2007 01:36 PM | Link to this

It’s Pronounced: Nawlins’ fer you yankees!

Nawlins has always had murder, rape, theft, long before Katrina. Not too long ago there was a murder every night in the French Quarter alone.

GaNative 12:45pm:

You forgot “Four Dead in Ohio”.

P-N-A-C

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 01:41 PM | Link to this

“As much as you guys like to whine about Swiftboaters being liars, Kerry knows they aren’t.” -RW

Did you miss the part where the Swift-Boaters were debunked? It’s common knowledge. Where do you keep coming up with this misinformation?

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 01:51 PM | Link to this

rusncap,

Interesting response in that it simply avoids the issue to take shots at me on a personal level. Quite the poker player’s gambit, but I think you’re bluffing and know deep down that I’m right about Kerry so you just hope you can get me to muck my cards. Sorry, I think I’ll call.

By Buy Danish

January 24, 2007 01:52 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

Not interested in name-calling? That’s not my recollection. Sorry that you find “parrot” so offensive.

General Petraeus is going to deploy troops to the borders to keep the Iranians who are helping Al Sadr out of the country. For this to succeed they need more troops in the Bagdad. 21,500 is short of the number he would like, but I suppose Nancy Pelosi knows best about military strategy.

Since the only thing the Dems offered was redeploying to Okinawa, I can only conclude that you are willing to let Iran, Syria, and Al Qaeda operate with impunity.

rushncap you fool,

Since you and she like to dance the same dance, maybe Mrs. Godzilla would like to try a hand at square dancing with you.

By gadem

January 24, 2007 01:53 PM | Link to this

Is this the democracy that “W” is spreading?

By Old Dem

January 24, 2007 01:54 PM | Link to this

I am sick and tired of that dry drunk. Impeach Bush!

By Buy Danish

January 24, 2007 01:55 PM | Link to this

blackadder,

Debunk this.

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 01:55 PM | Link to this

Blackadder,

I suspect that the information about the Swift vets being debunked is hiding in the same place as the Democrat plans that some of you keep claiming exists, but can’t list any of it. The only stories that changed were Kerry’s or do you have some secret information that Nixon was deploying troops to Cambodia a month before he became President?

By Thomas

January 24, 2007 01:56 PM | Link to this

Gooooood Morning VietNam!~~

Whooops!~

Goooood Morning Irr——Raq~!~~

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16783885/

Well the Prez has spoken, but how many of these things he said does he actually believe? Will we see better health care, will we see fuel conservation, and increased alternative fuels? or is this him once again lying to the American People?

Oh well - 2 years and he’s over and out! Kaputz!

Tomorrow I get to hear Colin Powell, Guliani, Michael Eisner, Larry King, and a host of other republicans speaking at Phillips Arena. (To ahem Motivate me along with a lot of other business tycoons). But hey — I actually Like Larry, so it may be a fun and entertaining day. At least the Luncheon will be nice.

At least RW, Dusty, Danish nad the Neoconites can have a day without me.

State of the Union? The Union is in deeeeep doo doo!…

Laters

Thomas

By Midori

January 24, 2007 01:57 PM | Link to this

Blackadder,

Night Line did a special in which they actually TRAVELLED to Viet Nam and spoke to many locals and survivors, who personally debunked many of the Swift Boaters lies.

By @@

January 24, 2007 02:02 PM | Link to this

Ditzty (?) Odd name:

Could Bush’s embrace of Putin have been an attempt at diplomacy? The same diplomacy leftists want us to pursue with Iran?

Things have changed in the “fatherland”, they’ve got radical extremists “in their midst”. You haven’t had to worry about that here in the U.S. have you? Well, not at this moment in time anyway. At any second, they could possibly wake up from their sleep and bite you in your a$$. But never fear…the Democrats have a plan.

Oh, and Paul…the Ayatollah has a severe bout of the flu. Leftist diplomacy would require that we send him a “get well card”.

I’ll go halvsies with you and let you pick one out.

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 02:05 PM | Link to this

Midori - I remember that. RW must have seen the direction the special was taking and turned it off. He’s not one to let facts get in the way of a good ‘ol opinion. Then again he probably never saw any of it since it wasn’t broadcast on FOX.

By Buy Danish

January 24, 2007 02:09 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

Could you be any more of a jerk?

Leave it to you to find Larry King more impressive than Guiliani.

Which doesn’t convince me that you’re a “tycoon”. For all I know you work for the caterers.

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 02:12 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - What’s your point? His testimony had NOTHING to do with his honorable service in Viet Nam. Besides I agree with every word he said to the Foreign Relations Committee. What did he say that was untrue?

This was all discussed ad nauseum in 2004. It figures RW would bring it all up again. He has nothing else to harp on. He certainly doesn’t have a president who’s record can be boasted about.

By The Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century

January 24, 2007 02:12 PM | Link to this

Thats a laugh!

Neo Nanny (January 24, 2007 01:55 PM) wants BlackAdder to debunk Kerry’s (Truthful) testimony before a senate committee? What’s to debunk?

Nut Sprinkled Danish - Debunk This!

http://www.thememoryblog.org/archives/000610.html

http://www.greenleft.org.au/2005/624/34870

Tang with new Agent Orange flavor, and Napalm sticks to kids!

and its 1-2-3 what are we fighting for?

P-N-A-C

By Buy Danish

January 24, 2007 02:13 PM | Link to this

Parrot,

That settles it then. Nightline interviews some Vietnamese peasants decades later who are controlled by minders.

Smart parrot that you are, you believe them, but not the men who served with him in the military.

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 02:18 PM | Link to this

Blackadder,

Would you like to read up the thread a little and see who brought up John Kerry? It wasn’t me dimwit.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 24, 2007 02:20 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish, Did I say I was offended? A slight chuckle at best.

But you are right, I have had some names to call in the past. I recognize that flaw and am working to correct it.

Supporting the President’s new way forward requires that I trust the General and the President’s military advisors. Simply put, I do not.

You may conclude whatever you wish and you most certainly will - but you would be wrong. It’s ok. it happens.

As far as square dancing goes…. “We should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once.”— Nietzsche

Mr.Godzilla is a great dipper! Very smooth.

By Quote Of The Day

January 24, 2007 02:22 PM | Link to this

“There is no strategy. We better be damn sure we know what we’re doing, all of us, before we put 22,000 more Americans into that grinder.” —Republican Senator Chuck Hagel

By Buy Danish

January 24, 2007 02:25 PM | Link to this

Blackadder,

It doesn’t surprise me that you believe this:

{{{They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan..}}}

But you “SUPPORT THE TROOPS!”, right?

By Quote Of The Day

January 24, 2007 02:25 PM | Link to this

RW - There you go with the name calling. Please grow up. I meant to say that it was you who brought up the Swiftboaters. My mistake.

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 02:28 PM | Link to this

“You Did Not Vote for Failure” -Bush

He’s right. I voted for Kerry!

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 02:31 PM | Link to this

You wingnuts might want to avoid this link. The sane ones among you will get a kick out of it.

By Midori

January 24, 2007 02:31 PM | Link to this

yes, Guiliani is truly impressive

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 02:35 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - Sorry if the facts disturb you. Those things happened. Remember My Lai? Atrocities similar to that have been perpetrated by our troops in Iraq. The great majority of our troops are honorable and decent. Just like with any portion of society there will be a bad element. To pretend that each and every soldier is an honorable person is just ridiculous. You won’t believe that a soldier is capable of horrible actions but you’ll smear and lie about a soldier who happens to be a Democrat (Kerry, Murtha, Webb).

By rushncap

January 24, 2007 02:36 PM | Link to this

RW, there are no “issues” I avoided. You presented a paranoid, and ridiculous, claim, with nothing to back it up other than your non-existent personal honesty. That’s like avoiding a neutrino, you have to try really hard to not avoid it.

I’d love to play poker with you, RW. I need a new pair of skis.

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 02:37 PM | Link to this

Blackadder/Quote of the day,

I think people that keep changing their name on a blog so that they can present the same old tired arguments and/or hide from their past indiscretions are the ones that need to grow up.

In case that went over your head you are in that category.

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 02:40 PM | Link to this

That Michael Moore letter has been linked several times as well as cut and pasted in it’s entirety at Wooten’s. You “sane” ones enjoy yourselves, I’ll catch up with you later.

By Margaret

January 24, 2007 02:42 PM | Link to this

WHO CARES ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS PLAN?

It’s just a Republican ploy to duck responsibility and shift the blame.

They had six years to make a difference and the difference has been disastrous.

All you Bush loyalists, clean up your own policies, party and impact on the nation BEFORE YOU START BLAMING DEMOCRATS. THE NATION’S MESS IS ALL YOUR PARTY’S FAULT. START OWNING UP TO IT.

By rushncap

January 24, 2007 02:43 PM | Link to this

I don’t square dance, Muffin. I prefer swing merengue and salsa.

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 02:43 PM | Link to this

RW - Quote of the Day was a title for the post. It was not an attempt to post anonymously. I proudly admit I posted it. No wonder you’re so paranoid. You see a conspiracy everywhere you turn.

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 02:44 PM | Link to this

RW - BTW, have you admonished Andy lately? His name changes every few weeks or so.

By Thomas

January 24, 2007 02:45 PM | Link to this

-=-

Bier Danish - Caterer? That’s a good one! But so sorry to disapoint you, but I haven’t worked in food services since my college pizza delivery days.

Nor am I a tycoon, I said with other Business Tycoons (rubbing elbows with da’ man). I can be considered an entrepenuer, but not a Tycoon at this point. But who knows what may be in store for the future…

I do however have 3 tickets (of our 12) to the event that will sadly go un-used! Pity~!

Why don’t you go with RW - door price is only $225 a head - (grins) - and you can worship at the feet of Guliani, as your potential future neocon leader of the free (but destroyed) world!

Or just stay at home and watch your soap operas!

Thomas

By Randy

January 24, 2007 02:47 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, Quit pussyfootin’ around. Do my homework?

You’re a bleeding heart liberal, right? Help a poor misguided, underpriveleged guy out here. We americans, desperately in need of guidance, WANT TO SEE THE DEMS PLAN.

IT’S OUT THERE. YOU SAID IT WAS. SHOW IT TO US.

Tic Toc Tic Toc Tic Toc…..

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 02:49 PM | Link to this

Margaret - Well said.

By Buy Danish

January 24, 2007 02:51 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

Did you specifically say you were offended? No. Did you imply it? Heck yes.

As for Iraq, history will tell which one of us is right.

Tell me, do you delight in the prospect that the mission may fail, like Thomas the Tycoon did earlier?

By rushncap

January 24, 2007 02:52 PM | Link to this

Dems’ plan: start to gradually pull out, effective immediately.

Tell us which part of that sentence you don’t understand, Randy, and I’ll try to explain it.

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 02:52 PM | Link to this

RW -Since us sane ones aren’t likely to wander over to Wooten’s (we get enough entertainment out of the wingnuttery here) it’s a good thing I posted it. Otherwise it may have been missed by those who enjoy a good laugh.

By GVH

January 24, 2007 02:56 PM | Link to this

I personally thought the president’s speech was the most shallow of any he’s made since being in office. It does appear that an awful lot of those little “W”s are disappearing from the rear of your BMWs, Lexus, and Big ole SUVs as quickly as another pole is published regarding W’s approval rating. Nobody wants to associate themselves with a looser or someone that can only pull a 28% approval rating! His pityful excuse for a health plan will only help about 3 million of the 100 million that are uninsured and the rest of us will end up paying more for what we currently have. You don’t believe it? That comes directly from the White House!! Gotta run and take care of some business, but look out for the “swift boat” people to rear their ugly heads again and go after Jim Webb, his son and his father the same way they did after John Kerry and Max Cleland. One last thing, has anyone heard a blip out of that snake Zell Miller lately or has he crawled back in a hole up there in the mountains of North Georgia?

By Blackadder

January 24, 2007 02:57 PM | Link to this

OK Randy I’ll throw you a bone. Here’s a sample:

“Democratic Party leaders are beginning to coalesce around a broad plan to begin a quick withdrawal of US troops and install them elsewhere in the region, where they could respond to emergencies in Iraq and help fight terrorism in other countries.

The concept, dubbed “strategic redeployment,” is outlined in a slim, nine-page report coauthored by a former Reagan administration assistant Defense secretary, Lawrence J. Korb, in the fall. It sets a goal of a phased troop withdrawal that would take nearly all US troops out of Iraq by the end of 2007.”

You’ll have to take the initiative and do more research. I don’t ask you wingnuts to provide me with answers. I do my own checking. I expect you to do yours.

By rushncap

January 24, 2007 03:00 PM | Link to this

Woah woah woah there Muffin! “Did you specifically say you were offended? No. Did you imply it? Heck yes.” Aren’t you on the side that does not believe in implications, and that the Shrub never said that Iraq was an “imminent” threat since he only used synonyms for it?

Sigh. Get your lies straight, at least.

By Buy Danish

January 24, 2007 03:04 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

What disappoints me is that Americans like you make exultant statements like this:

{{State of the Union? The Union is in deeeeep doo doo!}}…

By Buy Danish

January 24, 2007 03:11 PM | Link to this

Randy,

Blackadder is posting what I posted hours ago. It’s amazing that that’s all they can come up with.

Blackadder,

Thanks for nothing!

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 24, 2007 03:15 PM | Link to this

Randy, I am proud to be a liberal. I am proud to be literate. I never do/did the children’s homework for them. Doing your homework helps you to grow up.

And yes the clock is ticking, how many Iraqi’s died today? Tick

How many American sons were killed today? Tock

How many American daughters lost limbs or had head injuies today? Tick

How many humanitarian workers or contractor were killed today? Tock

Keep watchin’ that clock fella.

Buy Danish, “Tell me, do you delight in the prospect that the mission may fail, like Thomas the Tycoon did earlier?”

That’s really cold. Really cold.

Do you delight in the prospect that 21500 more American kids will be put in harms way because we have an administration that does not have the character required to face up to their mistakes? No, right?

Are you thrilled at sight of bodies blown to bits in a marketplace? No, right?

Does the smell of burned flesh excite you in a million little ways? No, right?

Does the concept of 10,000 fine young people with head injuries so severe they will never function normally again help you get up in the morning. No, right?

Does making the same mistake over and over and over again make you feel better? That one you’ll have to answer yourself.

Best of luck to you.

By rushncap

January 24, 2007 03:24 PM | Link to this

You see Thomas, truth is un-American and unpatriotic if it is not all happy and joyful. In that case if you dare to tell the truth you are actually a treasonous dog. The correct answer to every question is “Everything is great, everything is perfect”. Anything else, Thomas, helps the terrorists.

Hope that helps.

C.C. Muffin-top

By Seriously

January 24, 2007 03:24 PM | Link to this

Nobody is saying the state of the union is in deeeeep doo doo. We’re saying its in a state of deeeeep embarrassment.

Bush should have started the address by saying “Forgive me America I have embarrassed you.” That would have started the healing.

By Thomas

January 24, 2007 03:39 PM | Link to this

-=-

Mien Danish —- What Mission?? If the new mission is to be the withdrawal of our troops from the quagmire called Iraq, then we will overwhelmingly succeed in that mission. If the mission is to keep troops there forever then we will see a constant stream of daily reports saying who died!

Bush has no defined mission, just a colloquial stated “war on terrorism” that has no defined target or “mission”.

Do I delight in Americans getting killed in Iraq? No way in Hades! Let me remind you miss sycophant that I was a military brat, and have been around the military, and military bases all my life. Fort Rucker, Fort McClellan, Kings Bay, Jax Naval air, Fort Richie, I have spent years at each location.

I have many close friends including my best friend from high school in that quagmire you love to say we are winning at. You have no idea what you are saying when you say such garbage. Buy Danish, how many relatives or close friends do you have in active duty? What have you risked in this war for oil? Your so full of blustering words and witticisms, and propaganda, all aimed in spinning a mud pit into a golden war of glory, that it sickens me. A lot of people have died! and for what?

Answer me that - For What!?

Thomas

-=-

By Buy Danish

January 24, 2007 03:41 PM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

I hate war as much as the next person. I’m just not naive enough to believe that we can avoid it at this point in time, and that being the case we need to do everything we can to have a successful outcome.

You are distancing yourself from Thomas. Good. Like Thomas, many Americans are hoping for failure in Iraq. They are invested in defeat as a tool to keep Democrats in power. If you are unhappy with that attitude, it’s them that you need to speak to, not me.

Now as for that Democrat “Plan”, I’ve done my homework and I found that there isn’t one. If you want to dispute that you’ll have to counter with actual evidence instead of playing silly games.

rushncap,

I’m afraid that your concept of “truth” is the Pravda version.

BTW, that movie “Zoo” I mentioned yesterday is featured at Robert Redford’s Sundance Film Festival. I just reported what was in the news.

By Lord Help Us

January 24, 2007 03:50 PM | Link to this

- I already had a pretty good idea that Bush had fed us a boatload of manure in previous SOTU’s…

But, the disconnect from reality and outright BS that is captured in this clip from Countdown is scary…

Is it any wonder this bozo shares Nixon”s job approval?

Any of you wingnuts want to tell us again what a ‘great leader’ we have?

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 24, 2007 03:54 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Again we disagree. I think your approach is very naive. Dangerously, naive. I know guns and bomb may seem easier.

I can’t play your games with you, because the rules change constantly at your whim. You don’t like our plan? Have the ovaries to say that. Repeating, ad nauseum, that there is not one does not make it so.

I wish you the best.

By Randy

January 24, 2007 03:56 PM | Link to this

Blackadder, You oughta be ashamed of yourself. Using the Republican’s plan and calling it your party’s. Like Buy Danish said, the dems would redeploy to the Mexican border or Okinawa. Anywhere but Iraq.

What a bunch of losers you dems are.

Mrs. Godzilla, Why don’t you admit it. You’ve never seen a dem plan for Iraq.

You d******* expect nothing from your party and nothing is what you’ll settle for.

D*******, every last one of you.

By Paul

January 24, 2007 03:58 PM | Link to this

@@ at 2:52

I’m sooo sorry to hear the Ayatollah’s ill. I took you up on your offer and picked out a card:

The front says:

“Sorry to hear your’re not feeling well.”

Open it up and it says:

“We can help.”

Underneath is a picture of Jack Bauer.

Okay with you?

By Goldie

January 24, 2007 03:59 PM | Link to this

Apparently, you Neo Con-Artists here on the blog define a “win in Iraq” as killing more and more Americans and Iraqis, ad infinitum… and anyone who may not agree with your killing plans are told that they must “want to lose in Iraq” — such teeny-weeny little minds you have!

By Goldie

January 24, 2007 04:02 PM | Link to this

Midori— thanks for the link to the Guiliani-Trump video! I was thinking that it was going to be fun when the Neo-Cons start promoting Newt for prez in ‘08… but now I see how much fun it’s gonna be when they put Giuliani out there in the candidates’ field, too! Both are truly priceless!

By Buy Danish

January 24, 2007 04:04 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

You were an army brat. What’s your excuse now?

I quoted you directly. You’re little “Good morning Vietnam” routine is a bit too jubilant to me.

I’m sorry that you are too much of a dunce to understand what is at stake in this conflict. It’s clear as a bell to me. Iraq is one battleground, in a war that may take decades to win.

That’s reality. I don’t like it any more than you do.

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 04:16 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

If you would quit hanging around campus and get a real job you could afford your skis. So you’re a big time poker player now eh? Where do you play?

By the way, saying that the President said Iraq was an imminent danger when the whole Bush doctrine is one of not allowing a threat to become imminent shows your ignorance, not our inability to do nuance.

Buy Danish,

I doubt rushncap is much of a dancer. When you’ve got that big a head full of nothing but air it probably screws up his do-si-dos.

By Lord Help Us

January 24, 2007 04:18 PM | Link to this

Randy,

When you say, ‘What a bunch of losers you dems are’ I am just wondering if you noticed the election results in November, how the Iraq War is progressing and Bush’s 28% job approval??

Man, you got the BIG L stamped all over your sloped forehead sasquatch…

By Paul

January 24, 2007 04:18 PM | Link to this

BlackAdder 2:52

Lawrence Korb’s a good quy - not partisan, very smart. Good bio of him here:

Link:http://www.americanprogress.org/experts/KorbLawrence.html

He was Asst SecDef for Manpower in the early 80s - was well respected. Since then he’s shown himself as an original thinker and a good analyst. One may not agree with all his positions - but he comes up with some pretty original ones.

The strat redeployment article is here:

Link:http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2006/05/strategic_redeployment.html

with a pdf link to a summary and the full article.

There are some sound, rational recommendations there. The redeployment calls for basing in Afghanistan, Kuwait and “the Persian Gulf.” That makes me uneasy - aside from the “quick response” logistical problems (makes my head hurt thinking about it), that’s still a huge number of US forces in an area where alliances shift quickly.

Given the President’s already got the surge strategy going, this may make a good backup if the action does not prove effective. Then again, elements of the plan could begin right away.

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 04:22 PM | Link to this

Blackadder,

Obviously the QotD name was just you showing how lame you are. I’m referring to the way you are pretending to be new, but talking like you’ve been here all along.

If you like the new name that’s fine, just quit acting like you just got here. Now you and I both know full well that since you’re playing blog scold about name calling that you must have quite the record of doing just that under another name.

By Paul

January 24, 2007 04:27 PM | Link to this

Goldie 4:06

I sure am glad that the unconscionable outing of an heroic, covert CIA agent did not cause the US irreparable harm, cause the death of other agents and the rolling up of operations throughout the world. Shoulda nailed Scooter for that. Or the VP. After all, many here corrrectly pointed out months ago that they were the leakers who endangered a covert agent and they are guilty, right?

As I said yesterday - politics. Six more months of diversions that in the end won’t count for much. Any more than Whitewater, Johnny Chung or blue dress.

Rhetorical, not personal, question.

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 04:31 PM | Link to this

Thomas the tycoon,

That seminar was $49.00 total for as many people as you wanted to bring. It’s a shame your boss is making you go, though. If he or she knew how motivated to write mind-numbingly dull blogs you already are they would just redirect your motivation.

By Thomas

January 24, 2007 04:32 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish?

(You were an army brat. What’s your excuse now?)

I grew up! (and sadly old)!

Sundance? Music Industry>>>? and you don’t know the jubilant yell by Robin Williams in “Good Morning Vietnam”>?

A Classic movie showing the problems with trying to win a war based on politics and propaganda.

Well yes - I am a military brat, and actually love most all things military. Especially WW2 Naval tactics. Midway, Pearl, Solomans, etc.

I’m also a music composer and general MIDIot, I’m also a Broadcast Journalist, Entertainer, Inventor, and a buisness owner.

I have 2 seperate friends at the Sundance film festival right now! (FYI)

But concerning war?

But I am not stupid when it comes to war without defined targets and missions. That’s called “A War Without End!”. Recalling the troops doesn’t say we lost in Iraq, recalling our troops simply says we did our job and now it’s time to come home.

But I am so tired of you BushBots hanging on every falacy he speaks about terrorist and how us being in Iraq will stop them. How we are making America safer. Meanwhile we are making the whole world worried about what America will do next. The other countries watch us and either look for advantage in our failures, or if they are friends worry that our actions will bring harm to them.

Iraq is not helping our world status one bit.

If you truly believe that Iraq is just one battleground in a war that may take decades then you are saying - Sorry world, but “We the People of the United States” have inadvertantly started World War Three. So beware everyone - your country may be next!

great future huh?

Thomas

By getalife

January 24, 2007 04:33 PM | Link to this

Senator Byron Dorgan: bin Laden is “Osama Been Forgotten”.

I guess the Dems will have to do this job too since the gop are pathetic failures.

Geez.

By Mrs. Godzilla

January 24, 2007 04:37 PM | Link to this

Randy,

What colorful prose! Can you write without all the ** and the ####?

Have a good evening.

By Thomas

January 24, 2007 04:41 PM | Link to this

RW —

yes you are correct on the 49$ for our company to go, and yes I am correct on the $225 at the door.

FYI - I am the boss!

I am both the Founder of the Company and the Major Stockholder. Our CEO got the tickets for us! No one in the company has been made or forced to go. Everyone in the company (in Atlanta) was offered the chance to go if they wished to.

Thank you for playing - please try again!

Thomas

By Goldie

January 24, 2007 04:46 PM | Link to this

{I sure am glad that the unconscionable outing of an heroic, covert CIA agent did not cause the US irreparable harm, cause the death of other agents and the rolling up of operations throughout the world.}

Paul— share with us how you know that no harm has been done to other agents and operations throughout the world, please. You obviously did not read the educational links that I supplied for your benefit yesterday.

By Ralphie

January 24, 2007 04:52 PM | Link to this

Our Leader has spoken, his wonders to behold. Imagine an entire world watching that! The goon from the moon.

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 04:54 PM | Link to this

Thomas the Hollywood Mogul,

I’m already well aware of your tall tales. You’re welcome.

By @@

January 24, 2007 04:58 PM | Link to this

Oooohhhh Paul!!! Nice choice on the card.

Very important question here….

What was Jack wearing? Anything?

Nothing?

By Thomas

January 24, 2007 05:04 PM | Link to this

-=-

Cool -

Jacob Gentry and the POP Films Crew sold their Movie for 2 Million at the Sundance Festival. I didn’t even know they had gone to Sundance!

Congrats!

http://www.accessatlanta.com/movies/content/movies/stories/2007/01/23/0124LVsundance.html?cxntlid=aa-hp-rtr

-=-

By Paul

January 24, 2007 05:11 PM | Link to this

Goldie, please - that was sarcasm!

It was a reference to here’s a trial - lying, obstruction - whatever happened to the “Covert Agent” thing? I read your links yesterday, gave my thoughts, then with another poster (BlackAdder, I believe) had a pretty good discussion about the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

He’d also read it (ummm, no, I don’t think it was an O’Reilly summary) and correctly pointed out prosecution requires not only that a “covert agent” (defined in the Act) have identity revealed, but also that the “revealer” know the person was covert. Then he made the point, well, keep pressing and find a lesser, unrelated charge to go to trial.

He (I believe) also initially said I didn’t know if she was covert or not. I responded - of course not! That’s the whole point! No one - not CIA, not Fitzgerald, not Justice - ever documented she was at that time anything other than an employee. Fitzgerald specifically ducked the issue in his first press conference. The only ones who did know absolutely, positively, without a doubt were some on this forum who had an “I hate all things Bush” agenda.

So now we’re here, with a trial, and it’s not even an issue, as there are other ways to embarrass the Administration. Which is about as valid and sensical an issue as the Ken Starr thing.

By rushncap

January 24, 2007 05:13 PM | Link to this

RW, I can certainly afford skis. It would just be easier to buy them with your money. But obviously you wouldn’t dare to play a game which requires brains with me. You’re dumb, but you’re not too dumb to realize you’d get smoked. As to where I play, that’s none of your business.

If you can find nothing better to do than to insult my dancing skills, your life is even more pathetic than I previously thought.

Muffin, my version of “truth” is based on reality. Yours is based on whatever you’re told to think. You’d make an absolutely wonderful brownshirt.

By Buy Danish

January 24, 2007 05:23 PM | Link to this

Thomas the Resume’ Writer,

{{I’m also a music composer and general MIDIot, I’m also a Broadcast Journalist, Entertainer, Inventor, and a buisness owner.

I have 2 seperate friends at the Sundance film festival right now! (FYI)

I am both the Founder of the Company and the Major Stockholder}}

Are you looking for a date? You know RW runs ml.harmony.com if you’d like to be fixed up with somebody.

Mrs. Godzilla,

The game playing is all on your side. It’s called “Make Believe” where your pretend there’s a plan that doesn’t exist.

By Paul

January 24, 2007 05:29 PM | Link to this

Okay, Goldie, let’s run this “was Valerie Plame a covert agent” thing down.

Factcheck.org is a pretty good organization. Their speciality is tracking political ads, campaigns, issues, then checking the accuracy of claims and reports.

You like links. Here’s one to mid-2005 on a timeline of “what we know so far.”

Link:http://www.factcheck.org/article337.html

Pls check July 14 - Novak’s column named Valerie Plame but does not identify her as a “covert agent.”

July 16 - Plame’s husband speaks with David Corn, Washington bureau chief for the liberal magazine The Nation. Wilson says, “Naming her this way would have compromised every operation, every relationship, every network with which she had been associated in her entire career.” Corn’s entry is the first instance where someone alleges publicly that the release of Valerie Plame’s name disclosed the identity of a covert agent.

July 22 - Newsday publishes a story as saying, based in part on Wilson ’s assertions, that senior administration officials “violated the law and may have endangered her (Mrs. Wilson’s) career and possibly the lives of her contacts in foreign countries.” The newspaper says Wilson wouldn’t confirm that his wife was a covert agent.

So the reference to “Covert Agent” was first in a liberal blog, then Newsday said lives were in danger - and the source was Joe Wilson, Plames husband. Then Wilson says he won’t confirm she was covert - no need to - the story was running.

Old history, I know. But you asked.

By Thomas

January 24, 2007 05:34 PM | Link to this

Danish —

I think my Girlfriend would highly object to me going out on a date (lol)

She gets jealous already when actresses give me the standard “Hi! How Yah Been doing” hugs.

Don’t be getting me put in the dog-house!`0

RW runs a dating service - well if that doesn’t say it all!. Is he the one that does those “Call Me” commercials on late night TV? Does he have a Psychic hotline too?

(Just kidding RW!)

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 05:42 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

You invited me to play poker with you and refuse to tell me where to come play. Then you say that means I’m scared to play you.

With that kind of “logic” I’m beginning to see why you can’t understand a simple concept of not allowing a threat to become imminent.

As for your dancing, I didn’t criticize your skills there either. I said it would seem that you being an airhead would get in the way which also leaves the possibility that perhaps it wouldn’t.

They must have really lowered the entrance standards up there at State U.

By rushncap

January 24, 2007 05:47 PM | Link to this

I play live games, RW. I don’t play online. If you really want to drive up to NC, be my guest.

They may have lowered the standards at StateU, but, sorry to say, still not low enough to get you in.

By Buy Danish

January 24, 2007 05:47 PM | Link to this

Thomas the Boastful Brat,

I hope you’re good at air-kissing.

RW,

I know that rushncap denies it, but I really think he does like to do-si-do. I think it’s part of the western theme that goes along with the poker.

By Lord Help Us

January 24, 2007 05:51 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I am disappointed…THINK, for just a second…

Novak’s article identified Plame as an employee of the CIA. Now, for all Plame’s contacts, associates, neighbors, etc. that were unaware of this fact (due to the fact that she claimed employment with Brewster Jennings - a CIA front) don’t you think that was the equivalent?

No, he didn’t say she was a ‘covert’ agent, though. Guess it depends on the definition of ‘exposed.’

Use your brain…

By Paul

January 24, 2007 05:52 PM | Link to this

RW - (the original)

Threat: wife says next time you do what you just did you’ll pay.

Threat acted upon: you’re in the hospital (or lawyer’s office) after the threat.

Imminent threat: In the middle of an argument, wife looks at you and says “Just remember, you have to fall asleep sometime…”

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 05:57 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

So there are legal poker games in North Carolina? Next time I’m in Chapel Hill I’ll let you know, but I don’t believe I’ll be driving up.

By LuckoDull

January 24, 2007 06:00 PM | Link to this

Eighteen House Republicans have urged the Justice Department to proceed with a polygraph test for Samuel R. Berger, the former national security adviser who agreed to take the test as part of a plea of guilty of stealing documents from the National Archives. “This may be the only way for anyone to know whether Mr. Berger denied the 9/11 commission and the public the complete account of the Clinton administration’s actions or inactions during the lead-up to the terrorist attacks on the United States,” the congressmen said in their letter to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales.

You reckon he’ll submit?

Or will they send out He Bit-ch Clinton to whine and shriek about the vast right wing conspiracy?

Cause where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

Bergler didn’t want us to see something, enough so that he stuffed it in his pants like he was hiding some smoke or something.

So how bad was the Clinton failure to stop 9/11, did he know dates, names, places?

I say we torture Sandy to find out.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

By Paul

January 24, 2007 06:01 PM | Link to this

LHU

Sigh. Coulda been such a good post without the little tag lines.

Matters of law are about what the law says. Not what we want it to say. Not what we think it should say. It’s about what it says.

The applicable Act, with definitions of when violations occur, is very specific in distinguishing a covert agent. One may work at CIA. One may be an agent. Or an analyst. Or a section chief. Or whether or not one took part in previous covert ops. Or whether or not one built a false identity in conjunction with those earlier actions.

But that does not constitute a criminal act for revealing the identity agent. Unwise, possibly. Dumb, possibly. But in this context it has to meet certain conditions to be a criminal act.

By rushncap

January 24, 2007 06:04 PM | Link to this

There are, sometimes, legal poker games, yes. For charity.

By Thomas

January 24, 2007 06:04 PM | Link to this

-=-

RW - I never claimed to be a HollyWood Mogul I claimed to be working with Hollywood people. Like Cassandra Gava (Producer) who asked me to help out POP Films with some marketing work (Product Placement) for their movie “Last GoodBye” filmed here in Atlanta a few years ago.

But why bother explaining my successes to you? Your just gonna go Andy on me!

Buy Danish -

Your such a doubter when it comes to people - pity you can’t doubt the government once in a while that leads you along by the nose.

I spoke the truth today (to both you and RW), about myself, my life, and my skills. Oh well - Pity your world is so narrow. I have enjoyed my life of doing so many things and going to so many places in the world. I worked hard to achieve my accomplishments.

See you folks Friday (maybe) - I’ll be at Phillips Arena most of tomorrow.

Cheers and Beers`! Thomas

-=-

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 06:06 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Does the timeline mention when Joe Wilson listed his CIA wife, Valerie Plame, in his Who’s Who entry.

By MrLiberty

January 24, 2007 06:11 PM | Link to this

Considering that 21, 499 of them are complete losers who shouldn’t be put in charge of a pile of manure, why is a large number a problem?

Americans should have dozens of political parties to choose from and dozens of candidates. Everyone should have the opportunity to vote for the candidate that represents their views or as close as possible.

Thankfully Congressman Ron Paul from Texas will be running. America just might have a future if he gets elected.

Look him up and check out his excellent stands on every issue.

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 06:12 PM | Link to this

A politically weakened President Bush implored a skeptical Congress Tuesday night to embrace his unpopular plan to send more U.S. troops to Iraq, saying it represents the best hope in a war America must not lose. “Give it a chance to work,” he said.

Which one of you moonbats wrote that first paragraph for Pravda? He didn’t exactly sound weakened to me last night and Nancy Pelosi looked like a fool when she sat on her hands after the President mentioned victory. Nope, can’t have victory if you’re a Democrat.

By One Voice

January 24, 2007 06:22 PM | Link to this

Is rw criticizing education again? Of course, it’s easy for him to criticize things he knows nothing about and has no experience in- universities, science, education in general, etc. Next Granny will be criticizing people with jobs. Oh wait, she already does that. She says it’s the workers’ fault the country is in so much debt.

By Midori

January 24, 2007 06:24 PM | Link to this

An Imperfect Chronology

By Dusty

January 24, 2007 06:49 PM | Link to this

Well, whatever,

I still say the president made a great speech. If anyone can keep this country safe, he will be the one.

So it was a most enjoyable day, knowing that we have a good President at the helm of our country. Gather around and say thank you, Americans. We’ve got a good one standing strong just for us.

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 06:58 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

How does charity fit into playing poker for your new pair of skis? Maybe you should lay off the weight lifting, you’re all over the place today.

Hello OV,

Are you moving on from stalker to prognosticator now? You may as well because you certainly can’t deal with the written word. Obviously the quality of education is in sad shape these days. Look what it’s done for you and rushncap.

I’m serious you two. You really should sue to get Daddy’s money back, you’ve been had.

By rushncap

January 24, 2007 07:00 PM | Link to this

Oh to be in Dusty’s dream world. Oh to be 5 again…

By Buy Danish

January 24, 2007 07:03 PM | Link to this

Doubting Thomas,

There’s a difference between modesty (see George Bush) and congenital boasting (see John Kerry).

You fit into the latter category.

By @@

January 24, 2007 07:11 PM | Link to this

LuckoDull:

In comparison to previous rebuttals by the Democrats Webb’s speech was better in quality only. Content was absent as usual. It was delivered with an “in your face” attitude that I’ve never appreciated in politicians.

Nancy Pelosi was funny though. I got the distinct impression she was looking to the Democrats on the floor trying to figure out when to applaude and when not to applaude.

Important question here…

Does she have false teeth?

By RW-(the original)

January 24, 2007 07:14 PM | Link to this

Why would a kid rushncap’s age wish to be 5 again?

By MrLiberty

January 25, 2007 08:40 AM | Link to this

Dusty? Is that a reference to angle dust? What else besides complete insanity would cause one to actually believe what you posted? Where have you been for the last 6 years?

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