Mike Luckovich

By LuckoDull

December 28, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this

Oh great, it’s gloat over United State’s loss of industrial power day.

This ought to be just so exciting and thrill packed.

All of the socialists are wooded up over the mere thought of an American failure, any American failure will do, just give them something to crow over, while they hide behind American strength, trying to increase their sales to add to their portfolio so that their nest egg will grow fat and keep them from having to participate in the welfare state they are fighting tooth and nail to bring to the rest of us.

Never mind that the “free market” competition that made America the great financial giant that it is has not been “free” for quite sometime, thanks to democrat party mandated taxes, regulations, oversight, worker benefits, extortion, fines and whatever means the liberals can find to squeeze every last penny out of industry and give it all to their pet neighborhood junkie.

And then the dullards dance in your face America, isn’t that just wonderful?

You could call this punishment self inflicted.

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By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

December 28, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

Speaking of American failures, it’s nice to see Andi up to her old tricks so early in the morning.

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By Huge

December 28, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

So what else is new? Only the least intelligent, the most intransigent and the blind neo-cons don’t finally realize (or have the nads to admit) the Cheney Doctrine and the Bush administration is nothing more than a blight on American foreign policy. And a deadly one, at that…

In an interview never before published, former President Gerald Ford said President Bush and his chief advisers “made a big mistake” with their justifications for the Iraq war.

“They put the emphasis on weapons of mass destruction. And now, I’ve never publicly said I thought they made a mistake, but I felt very strongly it was an error in how they should justify what they were going to do.”

“I just don’t think we should go hellfire damnation around the globe freeing people, unless it is directly related to our own national security,” he said.

By Eric

December 28, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

The truth can be very uncomfortable. Mike tells it and the bushies hate it.

By Political Foreskin

December 28, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

The bombshell of the year was pluto. Now mankind knows more about planet formation. Every person observing pluto now understands more about earth, and I think that’s just about everybody, except my wife, of course.
Fortunately for me, non of this affects me at all since I’ve insulated my zeitgeist with LSG.

Instantly transformed, We all now spring from a different set of assumptions. This is evolution in the zeitgeist, and more proof that things evolve because they change. Mitochonrial Mutations. Micky Mantle AND Roger Maris, okay? The M and M boys, my heros. (Mito corks).

It’s great being a gansta of love. (christ officially approves this message)

Test your religious IQ here.

Question Infinity….darn, that was the answer, aw crap, i ruined the proof of god thing i was trying to communicate. The Thomasian Proofs of God are very interesting, but only a tool with which to observe the front line theological evolutions at a light year distance of only five hundred or a thousand years, or what ever it is, I’m not saying that I’m a better person or thing or whatever it was, all you need is love.

By N-GA

December 28, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

Amerika is already a welfare state. Corporate welfare, that is. Ship jobs overseas. Fight regulations to restrict pollution. Move headquarters offshore to avoid taxes. Pay politicians and get no-bid contracts in return. Bust the unions. Defraud the stockholders. Overprice their drugs while selling them in other countries for pennies on the dollar.

Meanwhile the average citizen gets what? They get screwed!!!! Again!!!!

By Political Foreskin

December 28, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

Nostradumbassian Proofs of God: I think, therefore I am, thus I am observed, thus I observe, thus I must spin, and sit on this Donald Trump. You are fired. I, as a fan, am Firing You…..(likin’ this bit)…….I am firing……you……I…..amfiring……….U!

You have to be observed in order to observe, by the way.

A tree falls in the woods, does it kill the pope, if no one is around to see him actually squatting in the woods, as a bear would, i suppose, as the old joke went, remember when you went through your “does the pope squat in the woods” phase? The people who always hated jokes like that are the normal ones.

Anyway, if there is no observer, then the tree does not make a sound. It probably falls, but only probably. The only noise would be from the pope pinching one off. He’s old. God does have a sense of humor, and Moses told that same joke about Abraham, man.

Apparently, it was painfully obvious to the first generations of the modern humans we all are now, where we havent mutated much past lactose intolerance and flatulence tolerance, man, that bears do indeed squat in the woods, (and the zeitgeist was stable for eons), until we elected the first pope, at Christ’s insistance, Peter. Peter was so clever he managed to have a schizm with Paul (I knew christ, christ was a friend of mine, and you, Paul, are no apostle, unless you count the voice and flash of light, which only technically qualifies you as an observer of christ’s presence.) over foreskin.

Americans think only sub-humans would circumsize their womenfolk. Christ’s Church was nearly stopped cold by a briss gone wild anomaly in christ-think. Sure, we deserve a different destiny than Native-African Males Who obsorb ritual lore. We wouldn’t dream of pulling a rusty bolo knife on any of our children. (camera to god, who is crouching, and pretending that he’s not wiping his asterisk, yes, folks, god is a mime)

*Pray for peace.

By LMAO

December 28, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

Mike, are you living in an area that only has FoxNews in its news line-up? Are you a substitute, is the real Mike on vacation? Have you given Bush a pardon?

A lot of your loyal followers are concerned about you. Are you doing drugs, drinking?

WHY THE LACK OF BUSH CARTOONS LATELY?

I have cancelled my AJC subscription once and for all!!! Please Mike, WAKE-UP!

By One Voice

December 28, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

Huge,

The next question then becomes, “Who doesn’t think Iraq was a ‘big mistake’?” Obviously, all the Dems have known it was for some time. Former Republican presidents Ford and Bush, as well as the veterans from their staffs, also believe invading was the wrong thing to do. The new secretary of defense has made it clear he believes the same thing and that we are losing. So is there anyone left who believes that invading a sovereign country who had nothing to do with 9-11 was the correct course of action? Even bush is trying to figure out a way to weasel his way out of responsibility and preserve what’s left of his “legacy.” Rumsfeld is gone, as he should have been years ago. A slew of former officials have been given the medal of freedom, which must now be considered a badge of dishonor. So who is left? RW, Granny, Idiot Andy, would any of you seriously like to make the case that invading Iraq was in the best interest of the United States?

By Diogenes

December 28, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

Mike,

Excellent cartoon. The American people now need to give our President, the one who refuses to acknowledge global warming, a Toyota Hybrid in an effort to shock him into providing sufficient funding for alternative fuels research. Speaking of which, Diogenes praises DeKalb County for their methane into electricity efforts. Well done, Vernon.

Jim Wooten consistently praises big business, and your cartoon satirically strikes at the wrong-headedness of American business, and, by extension, at the wrong-headedness of an American President who, as you satirically pointed out yesterday, denies global warming and evolution.

Given the benighted leadership of this country, half our coastal areas will be underwater before they take notice. Oh well, Macon’s a nice town; it will make a good resort area. Well done, Mike.

By Brian Curtis

December 28, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

And predictably, Andy and his fellow drones hysterically claim that poking fun at American foibles among our government and economic overlords is “anti-American.”

Check around you, folks; are YOU a governor, CEO, or president? Then why are you crying about mockery of the people who are really hurting America?

By One Voice

December 28, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

Regarding the economic state of the nation, it may help to make a few comparisons. Indonesia is a third world nation with almost the same population as the United States, roughly 250-300 million people. They also have roughly the same number of homeless people. Does this make Indonesia a first world country or does it make America a third world country? Sierra Leone, the world’s poorest country, has a national debt of $1.7 billion. The United States’ national debt is above 7.8 TRILLION dollars. What does that say about our wealth (or lack of)? Niger is the world’s second poorest country and has a total population of 12 million people. The United States has 37 million people who live below the poverty line. I must say that I have to agree with you that there is something very wrong with our nation’s economic status, and it will only get worse as people continue to deny there’s a problem.

By LuckoDull

December 28, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

No, we should have left Saddam Hussein in place, letting him kill more of the Iraqi people then even Al Qaeda has, year after year, forever. Let him continue financing world wide terror, including 9/11 and pursuing nuclear weapons possession using illegal oil money.

Duh.

Is this some kind of trick question?

Well, actually, this conundrum arose from the minds of one of the duller liberals around here, call it a child’s view of the world if you will:

“So is there anyone left who believes that invading a sovereign country who had nothing to do with 9-11 was the correct course of action?”

So how many Nazi planes bombed Pearl Harbor, genius?

Maybe FDR was able to think large, unlike his political offspring?

Obviously, all the Dems have known it was for some time. Former Republican presidents Ford and Bush

And what a convincing argument it is to list all of the people that had their time to fix the Middle East but instead were failures, leading directly to 9/11, as cohorts to your simplistic views.

Yes, let’s throw questions at the room, I got one:

Anyone else wonder why the democrats aren’t calling for cut and run anymore, now that we’ve passed the elections?

Could it be that they got all they need from the dullards already and now it’s time to side up with Bush.

And win the war?

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By Buy Danish

December 28, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

Boorish Stalker Boy,

I am not “Mary”. “Boor” is a very commonly used word, so the fact that she used it means absolutely nothing - like the rest of your idiotic and bizarre conclusions, such as that I used the pseudonym “Mary” because I had “something to hide”.

BTW, if you went through the archives you would find that I have used the word “boor” many times before George Will used it correctly to describe the boorish Jim Webb. It’s still a good word and I will continue to use it.

Dio the doomsayer,

Should we force cows to go the way of the dinosaurs?

They’ve been pushing this theory at least since 1988. Why did Clinton/Gore do nothing to stop this?/sarc.

Note how the scaremongering NYTimes is now downplaying the dangers of Radon gas.

In short, you Socialist Libs fall for a bunch of junk science because it fits your “greedy capitalists” agenda.

I’m out for most of the day. I’ll check in later for a few laughs.

By N-GA

December 28, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

Many American businesses are just like the current administration. They just keep on spending money on failed strategies as long as they have credit. (See the billions of $$$ spent on Iraq). And the result will be that America will become like the UK, a “once great nation”…replaced by the PRC as the dominant world economic power.

Then the working poor in America will have good reason to….well you will just have to wait and see.

By N-GA

December 28, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

More of the same

By getalife

December 28, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

The truth of that matter is, if you listen carefully, Saddam would still be in power if he were the president of the United States, and the world would be a lot better off. –George W. Bush

St. Louis, MO 10/08/2004 Second presidential debate

Yes, Dull.

The world would be better off and so would our country. I guess you are too ignorant to recognize this obviuos fact.

Your hero really screwed up bad.

By Ga Liberal

December 28, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

LuckoDull wrote: No, we should have left Saddam Hussein in place, letting him kill more of the Iraqi people then even Al Qaeda has, year after year, forever. Let him continue financing world wide terror, including 9/11 and pursuing nuclear weapons possession using illegal oil money.

Answer: Saddam may have killed innocent Iraqi’s, but at least it wasn’t the US military doing it. Our military have wiped out entire villages and cities just to save them from ‘the insurgents.’ And show me the proof that Saddam ever financed ANY world-wide terror let alone 9/11. Even Bush finally had to admit he wasn’t involved in 9/11. Also, read the 9/11 report that it was Bin Laden acting alone. As to WMDs, the UN, IAEA, and US experts concluded there was no effort to aquire WMDs or even re-start the research program. All of Bush’s assertions (normally called lies) about WMDs have been proven false.

LuckoDull also wrote: Anyone else wonder why the democrats aren’t calling for cut and run anymore, now that we’ve passed the elections? Could it be that they got all they need from the dullards already and now it’s time to side up with Bush.

Answer: First, the Democrats never suggested any ‘cut-and-run’ on Iraq. That was just Bush being overly-simplistic to get idiots like you to vote for him again. And no, the Democrats are not buddying up with Bush. They are not supporting any troop buildups and continue to push for a timetable to end US involvement sometime before 2008.

You must be one of thoes 30%ers that things Bush is doing a wonderful job. It’s amazing that anyone with half a brain can support Bush. You do have at least half a brain? Bush played you and the rest like a bunch of carnie sideshow suckers.

By One Voice

December 28, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

I should have known Andy would jump in to defend the invasion of Iraq, since there are only about 6 people left in the world who think it was a good idea. I’ve heard you use that stupid Nazi/Pearl Harbor comparison before, and it doesn’t make any more sense now than it did then. And did you just say something about worldwide terror, 9-11, and nuclear weapons? Come on idiot, even your sacred bush administration disavowed those incorrect claims long ago. Since your life revolves around a fictitious religion, it’s no surprise that you adhere to fictitious evidence long after the people who fabricated it have admitted it was wrong.

So Ford and Bush #1 had time to fix the Middle East and didn’t, and bush #2 is FIXING the Middle East? Oh yeah, that does make sense coming from you, considering that your definition of “fixing” means moving the world closer to an impending apocalypse. You think the actions we have taken are stabilizing the region and eliminating terrorists? Any expert (non-religious cult), or even any thinking person for that matter, would know that exactly the opposite is the truth.

You get dumber by the minute.

By Diogenes

December 28, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

One nice thing about going to the beach at Macon will be how much closer it is than Florida, which, of course, will disappear completely when the glaciers on Greenland finish melting. When Macon becomes a seaside resort, I suggest that Maconites erect a statue in honor in G.W. “Great Wall” Bush who made it all possible.

By One Voice

December 28, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

Granny,

Cutting and running just when blogging is becoming a full-blown addiction for you again? I guess Jose, the gardener, must have been waiting behind the pool house. Enjoy yourself, because I know Jose isn’t (he’s only in it for the money).

By N-GA

December 28, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it just wonderful how American business can tout bogus diet pills in the media with impunity because the lobbyists pay off the politicians to prevent any legislation that will protect the American people?

Isn’t it just incredible how these wingnuts can accuse people of believing “junk” science about global warming while American companies make billions of dollars touting the benefits of their organic pills that haven’t been scientifically shown to do anything. Of course there is the little disclaimer on the side of the bottle…the wingnuts believe that it is OK to take advantage of the ignorance of consumers.

I’d ask God to bless the hearts of these wingnuts, but even God couldn’t find their hearts.

By LuckoDull

December 28, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

gotnolife: Bush was being sarcastic during a presidential debate. It really wasn’t that hard to follow.

GA Lib: Would anyone else like to second the belief that American soldiers are killing innocent women and children either accidentally or intentionally, on a scale even close to approaching that of Al Qaeda or Saddam?

Are you really that dull?

One Voice: FDR understood that Germany was allied with Japan, same as Al Qaeda and Iraq both want an end to America. Joe Wilson proved that Saddam was trying to procure yellow cake. Planning for 9/11 began when Clinton was president.

The world is not as simple as you are.

By Goldie

December 28, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

It’s a real shame that the American car companies could never see the writing on the wall about our oil dependency — we’ve been staring at this same oil problem for over 30 years, and yet our cars and SUVs keep guzzling like there’s no tomorrow! Well, apparently now there’s not much of a tomorrow for the American companies anymore!

By Andy"s Mom

December 28, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

Well bad news everyone. It looks like my Andy didn’t escape from the mental ward after all. Its seems they discharged him even though he is obviously not well.

That’s right, they kicked my poor Andy right out the door! The doctors said the nurses and orderly’s were quitting left and right.

First of all his diapers are not that bad! Second of all my poor Andy is crazy, they get paid to take all those racial and homosexual insults. Gee whiz.

Anyways, all the relatives suddenly cancelled our Christmas plans, oh well. Happy Holidays everyone. Oh,dear.

By getalife

December 28, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this

Dull,

Go spread your hate and lies at wingnut Wooten’s.

Idiot.

By Lord Help Us

December 28, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

Everyone Chill…

You see, the reason Andrew and the other nutjobs post their nonsense is….(drumroll please)

They ACTUALLY believe that Saddam was behind 9/11, and that we found WMD’s, and that those trailers were actually mobile bioweapons labs, and that those tubes were for enriching uranium, and that those pilotless drones were for spreading chemical weapons, and that Saddam was trying to buy yellowcake in Nigeria, and that Pakistan is a ‘friend,’ and that we are spreading democracy in the middle east (while simultaneously supporting repressive dictatorships in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Kuwait, Jordon, etc.), and that North Korea is Clinton’s fault, and that Iran is Jimmy Carter’s fault, and that evolution is a myth, and that global warming is a myth, and so many other globs of BS.

Now, just think for a moment…THINK how you would post here if you too believed these fictions…

Come on, how ‘bout a little empathy?

By Proud Pinko Liberal

December 28, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

On this date in 1945 the United States Congress officially recognized the Pledge of Allegiance in its original form, “I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.”

Up until World War II the Bellamy salute (Nazis used it to salute Hitler) was used to salute the flag. This salute was named after Francis Julius Bellamy who was the original author of the Pledge of Allegiance. Surprisingly, Mr. Bellamy was a socialist, so does that make the pledge in its original form a “liberal” pledge of allegiance? And on that note, was adding the words “under god” an attempt by neocons to make the pledge their own?

When I attend the PTA meetings at my daughter’s school I participate in the Pledge but I always omit the “under God” part. I prefer the original version.

By Wingnuts Said?

December 28, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real…” - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

By Proud Pinko Liberal

December 28, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

I love the way Andy tries to spin one of Bush’s many misspeaks into an attempt at a joke.

Moron

By Wingnuts Said?

December 28, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.” - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

By Wingnuts Said?

December 28, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

By Wingnuts Said?

December 28, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

By Wingnuts Said?

December 28, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

What a simple, dull little world LHU must live in:

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members … It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

By Lord Help Us

December 28, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

Andrew…WAKE UP…

They were ALL wrong!!!

What does it take for you to stop believing (and posting ad nauseam…)these things that have been discredited by the Iraq Study Group, the 9/11 Commission, the Bush Administration itself, etc?

By rushncap

December 28, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

Oh Christ. Who let li’l andy back?

By LuckoDull

December 28, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

My bad on the correction of the 11:07, Bush mispoke during the debate.

However, I do not believe he should be killed nor should we destroy the United States over it, like you liberals do.

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By Proud Pinko Liberal

December 28, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

So Andy proved that some Dems were wrong too. I agree that they were wrong. But so was Bush and he’s in control so he owns it.

Since Andy has provided quotes that he is obviously proud of will he now embrace those Dems and stop insulting them? Nah - didn’t think so.

By getalife

December 28, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

Dull,

The Dems admitted they were wrong.

When will you?

By Proud Pinko Liberal

December 28, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

I didn’t realize that Andy suffered from narcolepsy. That would explain why he falls asleep at the end of all his posts.

By One Voice

December 28, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

“FDR understood that Germany was allied with Japan, same as Al Qaeda and Iraq both want an end to America. Joe Wilson proved that Saddam was trying to procure yellow cake. Planning for 9/11 began when Clinton was president.”

Idiot Andy @ 11:42,

Iraq didn’t hate America any more than the rest of the world did, and they had far fewer means of doing anything about it. They were no threat to us whatsoever, certainly nowhere near the threat Al Qaeda, North Korea, or Iran were, probably less than say, Luxembourg. Saddam wasn’t trying to get uranium; he didn’t have the means to do anything with it, dumbarse. And he didn’t have any missiles that could hit us if he did. Yes, planning for 9/11 may have begun when Clinton was president, but Clinton actually held national security meetings on terrorism. Your man, w, the retard in chief, actually got a memo entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the U.S.” But he was spending 3/4 of his time rustling armadillos in Texas and decided to let the government run itself because he figured Bin Laden wasn’t much of a threat. Actually, after seeing how the government works with w running it, I’m starting to believe he should have stayed on vacation for the next 6 years and continued to let the government run itself.

By rushncap

December 28, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

I love it how neo-cons trot out quotes by Kerry, Pelosi and Clinton to support their Chimpster’s war. They never care about what these people have to say, except this one time. As if the only reason the Chimpster made this horrid blunder was because he listened to Nancy Pelosi’s 1998 speach.

By One Voice

December 28, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

Idiot Andy,

I believe these were the original questions I posed:

“The next question then becomes, “Who doesn’t think Iraq was a ‘big mistake’?” Obviously, all the Dems have known it was for some time. Former Republican presidents Ford and Bush, as well as the veterans from their staffs, also believe invading was the wrong thing to do. The new secretary of defense has made it clear he believes the same thing and that we are losing. So is there anyone left who believes that invading a sovereign country who had nothing to do with 9-11 was the correct course of action? Even bush is trying to figure out a way to weasel his way out of responsibility and preserve what’s left of his “legacy.” Rumsfeld is gone, as he should have been years ago. A slew of former officials have been given the medal of freedom, which must now be considered a badge of dishonor. So who is left? RW, Granny, Idiot Andy, would any of you seriously like to make the case that invading Iraq was in the best interest of the United States?”

As you can see, I didn’t ask, “Who thought it was the right thing to do 5 years ago?” Most of the Democrats were duped by the same fictitious information the rest of the country was, information that was criminally falsified by your commander in chimp and his boys. And the Democrats have all admitted they made a mistake by supporting w and the war. The question was who, besides yourself and president Cheney, still believes it was the right thing to do?

By Jesus

December 28, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By LuckoDull

December 28, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

Iraq didn’t hate America any more than the rest of the world did

By the way, 1:35 is what passes for a “lecture” in most institutions of higher learning, a droning gaseous discharge of kook fantasy without basis in the real world, if you’ve ever wondered why test scores are so low.

and they had far fewer means of doing anything about it.

All it took were 4 of OUR passenger airlines to nearly destroy an American city, the dullard says Saddam “didn’t possess the means,” haha.

Saddam wasn’t trying to get uranium

Oh, really?

The Senate Intelligence Committee found, finally, that far from debunking the Iraq-Niger story, Mr. Wilson’s debrief was interpreted as providing “some confirmation of foreign government service reporting” that Iraq had sought uranium in Niger.

Anyway, here’s the strong willed, principled commitment that a lib shows towards their really important decisions, like sending the country to war for instance:

However, she (Hillary Clinton) has never gone as far as some of her potential rivals for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination — who also voted for the war — and called her vote a mistake or declared that she would have cast her vote differently with all the facts presently available to her — until now.

She needs votes from you dullards!

Just the kind of strong leaders we need in these challenging dangerous times.

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By Lord Help Us

December 28, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

Andrew, you are hilarious!!!!

Read the quote carefully - “SOME confirmation of FOREIGN Government service REPORTING” -

THIS is your PROOF that Saddam was trying to buy uranium ore in Niger??

That is priceless!!!

Again, how discredited does something have to be BEFORE you stop believing it (and posting it ad nauseam…)??

By LuckoDull

December 28, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

I was trying to save some bandwith but if you must:

The Senate Intelligence Committee found, finally, that far from debunking the Iraq-Niger story, Mr. Wilson’s debrief was interpreted as providing “some confirmation of foreign government service reporting” that Iraq had sought uranium in Niger. Why? Because he’d reported that former Nigerien Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki had told him of a 1999 visit by the Iraqis to discuss “commercial relations,” which the leader of the one-industry country logically interpreted as interest in uranium.

Remember that Messrs. Bush and Blair only said that Iraq had “sought” or was “trying to buy” uranium, not that it had succeeded. It now appears that both leaders have been far more scrupulous in discussing this and related issues than much of the media in either of their countries, which would embarrass the journalistic profession, if that were possible.

All of this matters because Mr. Wilson’s disinformation became the vanguard of a year-long assault on Mr. Bush’s credibility. The political goal was to portray the President as a “liar,” regardless of the facts. Now that we know those facts, Americans can decide who the real liars are.

By w00t

December 28, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

Andy, here is the real reason for the war in Iraq.

Ready?

The Iraq war = money, large amounts of Money. Money for the pockets for all the “defense” contractors, money in the pockets of Cheney and Halliburton. All at the expense of our troops lives, and the lives of Iraqis. Welcome to the new cold war, or should I say “the war on terror”. It’s nothing more than an elaborate business model designed to drag on for years to milk the American public for all its worth.

Welcome, to the country run by the Military-Industrial Complex.

[Hope you enjoy your stay.]http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20061226robertscheerikewas_right/)

By rushncap

December 28, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

Very good, doll. Wilson’s brief, which categorically denied that Saddam sought yellowcake was interpreted to mean that he did. Great evidence for the administration lying about what the intelligence actually said. If Shrubby and his cohorts get an intelligence report that says “black” and interpret it to mean “white”, whose fault, exactly, is it?

By w00t

December 28, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Bleh

Hope you enjoy your stay.

For the lazy.

By Lord Help Us

December 28, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

Gawwwwwd, you’re dumber than a bag of hammers, Andrew…

The article doesn’t even pretend that there was any actual attempt to purchase uranium ore, it is only trying to pour water on Wilson’s assertion that Bush lied about it.

For the umpteenth time…How discredited does something have to be BEFORE you stop believing it (and posting it ad nauseam…)??

By Dusty

December 28, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

There goes Luckovich. He is all for anything NOT made in America. Give Toyota a little free advertising.

GM and Ford make hybrids. They make them right here in America. The profits from foreign cars go back to the their countries no matter if they are made in downtown Atlanta or mid Alabama.

So while you are laughing yourself silly over Luckovich, the foreign car makers are laughing all the way to the bank.

I hope ml sent his “CEO” at AJC a subscription to al-Jazeera English for Christmas, a “nice” foreign newspaper. Come to think of it though, AJC might like that. Both of these news publications seem to have a dislike for American government.

By rushncap

December 28, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

No no, Dusty’s right. We should buy inferior crap because the guys who own the company have their mansions in this country.

By w00t

December 28, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Dusty, the point is domestic car manufactures do not make cars that appeal to the American public. They refuse to listen what we want to buy, but instead tell us what to buy. Go read any car magazine or car forum; you’ll hear it there too.

American’s vote with their dollar, and unfortunately it has gone to imports such as Honda, Toyota, and BMW.

GM and Ford both need to listen to their customers, see what we want in a car. People obviously want cars that get better gas mileage and not huge trucks and cars that get gas mileage from the 1970’s.

A Good example of this is Honda’s Turbo diesel Accord. This car gets on average 51MPG and almost 800miles per tank. It gets better emissions and gas mileage than our “hybrid” accord here in the states. Why can’t we buy that hear? I would love to own one.

More than likely, it’s a barrier to entry by Ford and GM. Just like how they killed electric cars.

By Dusty

December 28, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

I have had a GM car for six years without a single problem. You go ahead and buy a car that makes mansions in other countries. That’s about what would be expected from you.

By Diogenes

December 28, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Your comment, “GM and Ford make hybrids.”

I am not aware that either of these monoliths currently produce hybrids. They talk about it, but the hot air merely contributes to global warming. If they do currently make such vehicles, please provide some information. Thanks.

By rushncap

December 28, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

Dusty, frankly I don’t care where the company is based. I buy the best thing available. My current car is Japanese simply because it was cheaper and more reliable than the American cars. I fail to see the tragedy here.

Dio — GM and Ford both do make hybrids. You can Google them.

By Diogenes

December 28, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

Drove my last VW well over 250000 miles. Plan to do the same with the current one. I’d heard that the Japanese made autos. Didn’t know that the Americans did.

By Serious Lee

December 28, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

Dusty, do you shop at Wal-Mart?

The great “buy American” company that has sold its sole to China?

Do you hate Wal-Mart as much as Toyota?

By Dusty

December 28, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Did you even look at American cars? I bought a car that was competitive in price and mpg with Japanese cars. I liked it’s style.

Buying American is just one more way of supporting Americans. The lack of it is noticable in Atlanta where Ford and GM are closing plants. Don’t tell me that is good for the country.

I don’t hate Japanese, Korean, German or British carmakers. One of my sons has a Honda (and a Mustang). I myself prefer to give my small support to American carmakers.

By Diogenes

December 28, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

rushncap:

Checked Ford; they have a true hybrid (gasoline and electric), although it’s an SUV, both Ford and Mercury brands.

GM seems to be calling an ethanol capable engine a “hybrid.”

I stand corrected.

I still think Mike’s point is well made: the Japanese now lead in automobile sales because they have reacted more effectively to market wants and needs than GM and Ford. Although SUV’s were popular, volatile market conditions made them very precarious. Like our government, our auto makers have lacked vision. Yes, I think We the People need to give Bush a Toyota hybrid just to jolt him awake to the needs for alternative fuel research. Note what DeKalb county has done.

By rushncap

December 28, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

Yes Dusty, I looked at all cars. Used, the Honda that I have was the best deal. And I’m glad I made that decision. Because, chances are, with another car I’d continue contributing to the American economy by paying car shops.

I have no idea what my next car will be. All I know is that I will buy whatever’s the best deal for the money I’m willing to spend. I will not buy something inferior because its offices are in Detroit. Other things being equal I’ll get an American car, but that’s the last tie break.

By rushncap

December 28, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

I agree, Dio. It’s amazing to me that these same free-marketeers who want no government regulation over any commerce get upset when American companies lose. The same thing that happened in the 70s is happening today. It’s amazing that the American car manufacturers basically failed to learn from their worst near-death experience back then.

By TommyT

December 28, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

rushncap: An American company could make the nicest looking, longest lasting, most fuel efficient riceburner on Planet Earth, you would still buy some Japanese sissy car. Hating America and everything about it is a mental issue with you.

I tend to agree that it is not the end of the world, most automakers have their factories located in Bama, so only the profit leaves the country. Worst things have happened.

Plus maybe Japan and Korea could take that money, beef up their armed forces and scare the sheet out of China for us.

Be our little proxies.

By Dusty

December 28, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

Serious Lee,

I have bought a few pot plants at WalMart.

Americans love a bargain and Walmart is geared to those with a small budget. If their store sells foreign made items, that is no surprise. Most are cheaper and made in countries where a dollar/hour is good money.

If you can tell me where to buy women’s clothes made in America I would be glad to take a look. There doesn’t seem to be such a place anymore or any such item. If you know of one, please let me know.

By rushncap

December 28, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

TT, speaking of mental issues, welcome back. I’m glad you admit that your manhood hinges on the brand of vehicle you drive.

By Dusty

December 28, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

Diogenes,

General Motors has spent over a billion dollars developing hybrid cars. I don’t think they just heard about them.

I don’t want the government subsidizing auto makers so leave Bush out of this.

What do you mean “Look what DeKalb County has done.”? Is the county into alternate fuel research?

By Groucho

December 28, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this

Prix for Proxies!

By Diogenes

December 28, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Didn’t you see the article in yesterday’s AJC that DeKalb County is converting the methane from the garbage dump into electricity? For that matter, so is LaGrange and a few private waste disposal companies, according to the article. Most interesting.

By Diogenes

December 28, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Your comment, “I don’t want the government subsidizing auto makers so leave Bush out of this.”

There are many interesting things going on in alternative fuel research, but government investment in research is disproportionate to the amount Bush is spending on a war to preserve our supply of oil. Did you read Barbara Gallo’s article in Monday’s AJC (p. A19) about things that could be done in Georgia to improve the environment and produce alternative fuels? Most interesting.

By Diogenes

December 28, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

The only thing I saw on GM’s website was an ethanol capable engine on an Impala, which they were calling a bybrid. For that, they spend a billion dollars?

Ford did have two true hybrid SUV’s.

By Huge

December 28, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this

Dusty Dearest,

From the incredibly difficult to believe category: unless you really do have a “cool” side to your personality, I think you meant “potted” plants.

By Dusty

December 28, 2006 06:10 PM | Link to this

Huge,

Those WalMart pot plants are for my migraines, glaucoma, and lack of appetite (sometimes I just can’t suck down those vienna sausages just right). And I didn’t actually get them from inside WalMart. I got them from Rico around back. He said that’s were patriots buy their plants.

By Bill

December 28, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

Bush. Any of you mindless, gutless neocons embarrassed yet?

By TommyT

December 28, 2006 06:13 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Yup, cause that’s all I care about- buying things and making war. Sissy.

By Dusty

December 28, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this

Diogenes,

Ethanol is a hybrid. It’s a mixture of corn, sugar, and cigarette butts. Definition of hybrid: a mixture of two or more types of fuel. Duh.

By Dusty

December 28, 2006 06:22 PM | Link to this

I bought a Ford F-150 so I could haul the goats to church for the nativity scene and to support America. I buy my clothes at WalMart because that’s the only place I can find Toby Keith teeshirts and NASCAR teeshirts. Also, it’s where I get the best prices on the staples of my wardrobe- sweat pants, white tennis shoes, and spandex tank tops. I didn’t know most of their stuff was made in China. Well, I’m still supporting America by buying there because they are now America’s largest employer, and at $8 an hour their employees make more than either me or Semper.

By rushncap

December 28, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

Sigh… because we needed another ‘jacker…

By interesting

December 28, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this

finch/bon scott gets furloughed from the psychiatric ward, again, and the name jacker shows back up.

I guess if it gets you off.

By Diogenes

December 28, 2006 06:41 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

For that they spent a billion dollars? I remain unimpressed. I still think We the People need to give G.W. “Great Wall” Bush a Toyota or Honda hybrid to remind him that he has an obligation to the American people; in fact, he has several which he has shirked.

By interesting

December 28, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

Did I mention I am gay?

By getalife

December 28, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this

This is how you heckle a wingnut

They deserve no respect.

By Dusty

December 28, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

Diogenes,

Only someone who is not a patriot and who hates America would say that our president, who we all owe our loyal support and should never question under any circumstances, has shirked obligations to the American people. He’s the president to protect America, not to be responsible for the security of the American people. Why do you hate our country so much?

By One Voice

December 28, 2006 06:51 PM | Link to this

It looks like the real Andy is back at 6:42.

By Buy Danish

December 28, 2006 06:51 PM | Link to this

I only have a second and have just skimmed the blog, but I don’t see anyone making the point that the reason that the Japanese car makers are killing because the Big 3 Americans is because they are paying unsustainable retirement benefits which were “negotiated” by the union dinosaurs.

Once again, the Liberal economic model ends up being a disaster, by adding about $1500 to the cost of each car and making it impossible to compete..

Add that extra sticker cost on to the already higher cost of hybrids and we are at a distinct disadvantage.

By interesting

December 28, 2006 06:54 PM | Link to this

Gee, finch, how intelligent, calling someone gay.

You the man!

By Huge

December 28, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

Did anyone see that interview with Newt the Nut last night on guess which network? It is practically sickening to hear one of the the meanest pr!cks of all time talk with a straight face about the decency and class of Pres. Ford.

I hope that clown runs in 08. It will be interesting to see how many neo-con idiots still believe in his crap…

By One Voice

December 28, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

Yeah Granny, that makes perfect sense- the US auto manufacturers are going under because of union benefits. There are no other possible or more important reasons. Idiot. Nice grammar there as well.

By Everyman

December 28, 2006 07:02 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish go back to your cave. Nobody here cares about your loathing for the American worker.

By rushncap

December 28, 2006 07:07 PM | Link to this

Danish, you really are quite dense. Do you think that Honda and Toyota, which make cars in America using unionized labor, don’t have similar benefits? Do you think the unions say to their members “Hey, let’s be nice to the Japanese”? The only difference between Japanese car makers and American car makers is that the Japanese top management lives in Japan. Thus if cars cost way too much to make, it’s not the labor who is to blame. Any guesses who is, in that case?

By One Voice

December 28, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

Granny,

Do you pay any health benefits for your illegal immigrant gardener, Jose, who has grudgingly been helping to ween you from your blog addiction? (What will you do about weening yourself from your Mexican-sex addiction?)I know, you don’t care about anyone who doesn’t have the means to toast champagne and eat caviar with you at the Log Kabin Kountry Klub.

By w00t

December 29, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this

lol, this is just too funny to pass up!

“Washington, DC — Grand Canyon National Park is not permitted to give an official estimate of the geologic age of its principal feature, due to pressure from Bush administration appointees. Despite promising a prompt review of its approval for a book claiming the Grand Canyon was created by Noah’s flood rather than by geologic forces, more than three years later no review has ever been done and the book remains on sale at the park, according to documents released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER).”

Bush: “We dont believe in science and we don’t have to! We just make it up as we go along!”

How did we elect such a moron into office? Was this supposed to be a joke? “HA HA, April Fools!” ??

By Dusty

December 29, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

Name jackers posted at 6:10, 6:16, 6:22 and 6:49 yesterday using my id.

By w00t

December 29, 2006 08:35 AM | Link to this

Check these out, funny stuff. Here are two of my favorites.

“15. “The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.” —Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001”

“14. “I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.” —Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002”

By Goldie

December 29, 2006 08:52 AM | Link to this

Hey Y’all— check out this poll that doesn’t suck (to paraphrase Beavis):

Just when you thought things couldn’t get any worse for President Bush, AP comes out with a new poll.

Happy 2007 to all patriotic Americans!

By Diogenes

December 29, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

w00t (835):

I checked your reference. That is funny.

The scary part, of course, is that so many people follow the Ussher chronology, but the President of the United States should not be one of those ding-a-lings. We elect such morons into office because they pander to the ignorant, and the ignorant, recognizing a kindred spirit, vote for them in such overwhelming numbers that the rest of us stand aghast.

By LuckoDull

December 29, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

This must be a proud day for you Dullards:

By name, Osama bin Laden celebrates such leftists as Robert Fisk and William Blum. Self-hating Westerners have an outsized importance due to their prominent role as shapers of opinion in universities, the media, religious institutions and the arts. They serve as the Islamists’ auxiliary mujahideen.

Your dull acts of treason got recognized.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

By w00t

December 29, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

Andy, it’s all an opinion, and has no merit. Go spew your crap else where.

You’re right. “ZZZZZZZ”, because your stories put people to sleep.

By One Voice

December 29, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

Hey Mary… I mean Granny,

Regarding US auto manufacturers’ troubles, you may want to look a little further than simply blaming the lowest income employees (as you are apt to do).

Case in point: In the 90’s Ford became so enamored with the SUV they switched their whole marketing, production, and in fact business strategy to revolve around the big SUV. Well, after oil prices ballooned once our Big Oil president got into office and decided to let oil company executives create the country’s energy policy (in addition to disrupting oil production in the Middle East by starting a needless war), Americans stopped buying SUVs.

Hmmm… Pair gas at $3 a gallon with a needlessly large vehicle that gets 9 miles per gallon? And almost all of Ford’s production line was based on SUVs? It’s not difficult to see the writing on the wall. The rest of the US auto manufacturers were going the same way Ford was.

If they had foreseen the problems that manifested themselves 30 years ago during the oil embargo and developed hybrids, fuel cells, etc., they wouldn’t be in the predicament they are today. You are an absolutely pompous, elitist, disgusting pig to try to blame the demise of American auto companies on the lowest salaried workers. Try blaming Exxon, Mobil, Texaco, and yes, w and his cronies.

By Huge

December 29, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

So the Michigan-hating bigot thinks of all of their enormous problems, GM, Ford and Chrysler’s downfall is simply because of the unions. How despicably typical. Sometimes the gall of her narrow-mindedness and malevolence is simply stunning.

Rather than view the ENTIRE scope of the problem, and making a convincing argument, she almost always falls back on her hate-filled neo-con platitudes.

A complete aversion on her part to view the Big 3’s production inefficiencies, poor leadership, outdated designs and unwillingness to adapt to the new world market, among numerous other reasons, as a large part of their potential impending demise, reflect yet again, a complete lack of understanding. And as usual, it is always premised on a deep, long standing contempt for fellow Americans.

One of many links giving info on the reality of the situation:

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:JUrnJAwugqgJ:elsa.berkeley.edu/~train/tw104.pdf+us+automakers+reasons+for+market+loss&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

“Recently, industry executives such as Bill Ford of Ford and Rick Wagoner of General Motors have argued that their competitive position has been eroded by rising health care and pension costs and an undervalued yen. However, the U.S. industry’s market share has been declining long before it began to incur the costs of an aging workforce and has continued to decline during times when the dollar/yen exchange rate was quite favorable for US automakers.”

By @@

December 29, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this

Woot:

I’m curious. Are you in favor of banning “Grand Canyon A Different View” from the park’s bookstore? It’s a non-profit organization that has donated over $20 million dollars to the park service. That definitely benefits the park, an environmental jewel.

The book is among the top 10 sellers. It’s been separated from the scientific section and taken its’ rightful place in the inspirational section at the request of six members of the American Geologists Institution. The American Geologists aren’t wanting to shove it out the door entirely. That’s reasonable.

PEER on the other hand wants it gone from the shelves altogether?

This was an interesting observation from another site on the topic:

Some emails and faxes came from as far away as China, a country where communism and censorship reign. This supporter, who is an American living in China, wrote the following:

… It’s difficult for us to believe that anyone, including leading evolutionists, would attempt to remove ANY book from sale in a park bookstore just because it may offer an opposing view (after all, is anyone forced to buy or read the book and if one chooses to buy and read the book, must he accept its viewpoint???).

As a taxpayer, I surely would not want our dollars to support a National Park Service that condones censorship and bans books.

Neither would I Woot.

By RW-(the original)

December 29, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

For anyone that wants to see what President Bush really said about Bin Laden on March 13, 2002, read here, mental lightweights like wOOt and Diogenes should avoid reading this so that they can continue to wallow in blissful ignorance.

By getalife

December 29, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

Top villians of 2006

Look for Saddam to escape when he is turned over to the Iraqis.

By Dusty

December 29, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

woot,

Isn’t it strange that your opinion is supposed to be the “truth” while everything that “Andy” posts with references is “crap”, as you put it?

Perhaps you might like to post a few facts instead of the great pleasure you seem to have of dumping on Andy.

Your opinion of Andy is of no interest to anyone but other mindless liberals who have nothing to offer. You may not be interested in his “crap” but it is just as interesting as your “crap”, more so because it is factual.

By Serious Lee

December 29, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

So @@, what if they sold a book called “Heather and her 2 mommies explore the Grand Canyon”?

By Political Foreskin

December 29, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

The British still think less of their rebelled colonies, like India and the USA, than they do their Irish Catholics. What did Britain concede to the Saudi Royal Family when the Saudis rebelled?

One Headline for last Six Years: US troops out of Saudi Arabia

Sadr City is the Royal Family’s #1 Target now. What a coincidence that it’s the last holdouts for making the Iraqi government work, and it IS the Iraqi government working. That’s on cruise control, people. That’s a living example of a Catch-22 wrapped inside of a FUBAR stuffed with a SNAFU.

Bush made Sadr City the US’s problem when Sadr City has always been the world’s. When you blow away the infrastructure of baghdad for the fifth time, you uncover the Shia each time. Hello Larry, Hello Islam? Now the Shia are supposed to say, “My bad”? “It’s cool?” “Forget about it, Bush is rolling?”

This is exactly like what would occur if the Russians had actually launched 5 full retaliatory but preemptive knockout responses to radar anomalies during the Cold War.

Bush pushed the button. We are there. Face to face on the Cuban Missile Crisis level and the Soviet General launched the tactical missiles he thought he had permission to launch, (he had no permission, but he thought he did. that revelation destroyed Kruschev’s career. They were godless. They knew how feeble a man was).

We now either destroy these people some more, (we can keel them with the fleas of thousand camels), or we can help them build a shia superstate to destroy Israel with the fleas of a thousand camels!!

See why we are trapped forever in a scenario where not only is there a no-win criteria match, there’s a worse-case-scenario match, and a match-that-wont-go-out.

Anyone check out Condi’s face yesterday? Ditto Gates. They wear the grim and reluctant look people reluctantly appeasing a tyrant. They are so reluctant that they cant wipe it off their faces. That news video was sobering.

Rice and Gates could only manage a one-week delay to do something about Sadr City. Bush is going in with or without a surge.

One Headline for The year 2007: “Sadr City is almost within reach”.

By RW-(the original)

December 29, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this

Well if it isn’t OV and Huge doing their Uday and Qusay imitation at 9:45. You guys should really take that UAW thug routine on the road.

By w00t

December 29, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

No, I do not think the book should be removed.

However, no religion should be allowed to influence science or fact. There is no proof in what these people are saying; it’s all based on “faith” and hearsay. It’s the same thing that is going on between evolution and creationism.

The book should not be banned, but it should stay in its rightful place, a Christian book store.

Why do these Christian Fundamentalists feel they need to be in every part of people’s lives? If a kid came up to a park employee or scientist and ask them how the Grand Canyon was made and they told them this nonsense, they might as well tell them that the Grand Canyon was made by leprechauns and puppy-dog kisses. Why push the kid away from science? Religious organizations are terrified by science and are doing anything they can to turn people away from it and discredit it. This happed during the dark ages, and is happening now in fundamentalist Islam. Is that where you want your country to go, one that discredits science, logic, and reason?

The point is, religion needs to stay out of people’s lives and especially the Government. People know where to find it if they need it. In my opinion, if a religious organization starts to get into politics or wants to influence and election, then they lose their tax exemption status and get taxed like the rest of us. Why do they get to charade around as a church and not have to pay taxes like the rest of us.

By Will Jones

December 29, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

GM suffers for false values. Toyota’s culture proves itself in the cars it makes. Was GM’s CEO down in Florida weighing in against the Brooks Brothers Riot that stopped the vote count? Did GM, as a state-chartered business, think it in its communities’ and employees’ best interests that Bush’s culpability for 9-11 be punished? They fail their civic responsibility in every way. It is no surprise that their business acumen suffer as well. Live a lie, sit and cry for Gd is Truth. The Tory liars must be rooted out that the People’s sovereignty prosper. The fascist plutocracy is Shooting the Moon and I, for one, wish not to return to the thousands upon thousands of years of despotism arrested by America’s Founders. Let’s flee from fantasy as a Nation: Ford helped coverup the Bush/Nixon/CIA’s assassination of John Kennedy. Draft-dodger, closet-queen W. did 9-11 and compounded that treason by lying of WMD to send his betters in uniform to die shedding innocent blood. GM is a canary in the mine shaft. We, The People, better wise up. Gd is not mocked. Death for Treason.

By Diogenes

December 29, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

w00t (1017):

Your comment: “Religious organizations are terrified by science and are doing anything they can to turn people away from it and discredit it. This happed during the dark ages, and is happening now in fundamentalist Islam. Is that where you want your country to go, one that discredits science, logic, and reason?”

Very well stated.

By Huge

December 29, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

RW,

Brilliant contribution, as usual, to the discussion at 10:12.

Feel free to argue INTELLIGENTLY against those points One Voice and I made anytime you can pull your head out of your a$$.

Supporting bigots and despising middle-class workers is right up your alley.

BTW, how is that research on the holes in the fossil rcord coming along?

It must suck to be you…

By SSDD

December 29, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

POSTED BY DUSTY: By Dusty December 29, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this woot, Isn’t it strange that your opinion is supposed to be the “truth” while everything that “Andy” posts with references is “crap”, as you put it? Perhaps you might like to post a few facts instead of the great pleasure you seem to have of dumping on Andy. Your opinion of Andy is of no interest to anyone but other mindless liberals who have nothing to offer. You may not be interested in his “crap” but it is just as interesting as your “crap”, more so because it is factual.

How many links does it TAKE to get to the center of an artard?

1….2….3…. shall we count them? FACTS because he has links? Are you serious Dusty? The both of you are pathetic. Everything Andy posts IS crap! Why do you think he has to post LINKS? He has NO opinions of his own. Who does that? Apparently someone without convictions of their own who will spew the rhetoric of their “leaders” because he cannot think for himself! Lets define pathetic shall we? 1 : having a capacity to move one to either compassionate or contemptuous pity 2 : marked by sorrow or melancholy 3 : pitifully inferior or inadequate 4 : ABSURD, LAUGHABLE

sounds about right… I’ll go with either #1 or #4 as most obvious.

By Diogenes

December 29, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

There seems to me to be a correlation: if a man cannot understand the simple logic of science and its evidence, then I would contend that he totally lacks the mental faculties to understand world politics. I suggest that we have seen this amply displayed in that rootin’, tootin’ Texan we have as President.

By mike

December 29, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

This really hurts…my GM stock continues to DIVE!!!!!

By Dusty

December 29, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

Now PoFo is wandering off into the wild blue yonder.

Among his many words I gather he is worried about Sadr City, the facial expressions of Bill Gates and Condi Rice and his usual dire observations of President Bush. So now WHAT, Pofo?

Maybe you should keep your whacko joke routine instead of this long mumbo jumbo. After all, we get more than enough “stuff” from woot, Huge and One Voice.

By LuckoDull

December 29, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

Dusty: w00t is to this blog what Nancy Pelosi is to the United States Senate, haha.

A bunch of helpless wailing based on the most ignorant, childish emotions.

Plus we no longer have to call them stupid, they now have center stage to do it themselves.

By the way, considering how much Andy whooped on these liberals, I am honored that they would call me that.

I don’t mind being their Boogey Andy Man.

By RW-(the original)

December 29, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

Huge,

You have me confused with your little cadre of trolls. It’s you guys that are supposed to be filling in the lack of any evidence in the fossil record that you disingenuously call holes.

Buy Danish is perfectly capable of defending her remarks about the union contracts that have been the single biggest contributing factor to the demise of US auto workers, the same as union contracts lead to the demise of most American manufacturing. Between unions and government interference, it’s a wonder we have any industry at all remaining in this country.

I’m frankly not interested in the topic and tend to feel the same as rushncap in this arena. When it comes time to buy a car I find the very best fit for my need at the time. I also think ml did a good job with this cartoon.

Now go find your tag team partner and see if you can synchronize another attack.

By Lord Help Us

December 29, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

Andrew…you are to this blog what what Jeff Gannon is to the White House press corps…

Also, give up the new nom de plume (and related denials)…you’re too easy to spot!

By Diogenes

December 29, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

RW:

Your comment, “Buy Danish is perfectly capable of defending her remarks about the union contracts that have been the single biggest contributing factor to the demise of US auto workers, the same as union contracts lead to the demise of most American manufacturing. Between unions and government interference, it’s a wonder we have any industry at all remaining in this country.”

When one lives on the public dole, as you do, then one can make any rash comment one wants about labor unions, can’t one?

By Lord Help Us

December 29, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

Congrats, you guys are both right!

Both Unions and the major auto manufactureres shoulder equal shares of the blame for their demise.

The major automakers have, since the early 70’s, lost their mojo in terms of creating, engineering and marketing cars that are better than the competition and meet the demands of a market economy.

The UAW pushed their leverage to the point of compromising their own company’s ability to adapt AND, in so doing, have been (to coin a phrase) their own worst enemy.

It is a roller coaster cycle that, GUESS WHAT, our market driven, capitalist economy is shaping.

It is up to these companies AND their unions to either get their shiite together or continue to lose market share…

By RW-(the original)

December 29, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

Dio,

The last time I checked I had freedom of speech and my copy of the Constitution doesn’t exclude the freedom to talk about labor unions. Do you have an updated one you can show us? While you’re at it can you show a shred of evidence that I live on the public dole? I guess that’s the same as your proof of Darwinism being the origin of man, nonexistent?

By Diogenes

December 29, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

“In a victory for everyone who breathes, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia has ruled that the federal Environmental Protection Agency is too lax at enforcing air quality standards. If it stands, the decision could bring cleaner air, faster, to cities like Atlanta.”

David MCNaughton http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/2006/12/28/1229edepa.html

Hallelujah!

By WashingtonState

December 29, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

Time to add Gerald Ford to that list of traitors. He thought the prez made a big mistake in invading Iraq and has some interesting comments about us Americans minding our own business.

By Dusty

December 29, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

SSDD ????

Don’t know just whom SSDD is supposed to be but he is obviously having a spell somewhat similar to those that Huge ,woot and others have frequently. Just a bunch of catawauling and insulting palava.

It is hard to care about this crowd anymore. But they do love to display an enormous amount of distorted thinking to the world.

By RW-(the original)

December 29, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

WahingtonState,

Gerald Ford also disagreed with Reagan and thought we should just live with the concept of mutually assured destruction. His thoughts on Iraq hardly differ from that, so I would say he was just being consistent to his long held beliefs.

By Diogenes

December 29, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

RW (the hopeful monster):

I just love your rants.

And in your avatar of Clown Danish, I love your clowning.

Hey, I don’t care if you live on the public dole, I’m conservative enough to understand that some of our populace is mentally handicapped and can’t hold a real job.

By Dusty

December 29, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

Diogenes,

You have no capability for humor or truth.

When you stop reading the AJC at the library and bringing up any and every subject you see, we might be able to recognize you as an intelligent being.

Right now, that is not possible with your pointless accusations and your wandering posts.

By Huge

December 29, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

RW,

You’re nothing if not a predictably stubborn, willfully ignorant, half blind and close-minded neo-con.

I’m really sorry to say that you and your buddies are such consitent pr!cks on this matter (and so many others) that you have to spin phrases to pretend you’re not. Remember compassionate conservatism? What a farce it is when creeps have to come up with catchy phrases to pretend to be decent, caring people!

So, in spite of the mountains of credible evidence and FACTS (Hmmmm, sounds like the evolution argument you always fail to grasp) that show the US automakers are in trouble for MANY reasons - numerous ones, as big or bigger than worker’s pay, health care and pension benefits - you refuse to even allow the thought to enter your hard head that you could be wrong. Instead, you stick to your guns and parrot the nonsense you hear eveyday on talk radio and read in ultra right wing rags.

And once again, you don’t refute the evidence I’ve presented. And you know you can’t. Pitiful…

And for someone who is a proud, charter member of the republican attack-dog pack, and one who feels compelled to come to the uninvited rescue of the bigot, dusty or suck, at a moment’s notice, it is truly ironic that you would pretend I’m the one who needs anyone else to tag team with.

It is a well-known, peculiarly neo-con trait to NOT be able to stand up alone, on one’s own feet and merits.

Everyone here knows, I operate pretty much as a lone wolf. They also know that I have consistently kicked all of your sorry neo-con arses, solo. It’s how I work. And trust me, you look exceptionally stupid for bringing that kind of attention to yourself.

So like I tell the bigot, go tell some more lies to your children…

By RW-(the original)

December 29, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

Dio,

Speaking of blog personas, you’ve picked quite an interesting one.

The most shocking feature of his philosophy is his rejection of normal ideas about human decency. Performance artist, exhibitionist and philosopher, Diogenes is said to have eaten in the marketplace, peed on the man who insulted him, defecated in the ampitheatre, and pointed at people with his middle finger. Diogenes was considered by his sympathizers to be a devotee of reason and an exemplar of honesty, and said by his detractors to be an obnoxious ragpicker and an offensive churl.

The stories told of Diogenes illustrate the logical consistency of his character. He inured himself to the vicissitudes of weather by living in a tub belonging to the temple of Cybele. He destroyed the single wooden bowl he possessed on seeing a peasant boy drink from the hollow of his hands. When asked how to avoid the temptation to lust of the flesh, Diogenes began masturbating. When rebuked for doing so, he replied, “If only I could soothe my hunger by rubbing my belly.”

I still think your stale and moldy, repetitive comments more closely resemble Diogenes syndrome though.

By @@

December 29, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

Woot:

My apologies. I’m not able to stay on the board and reply in a timely manner.

In your 10:17, you said you would not want the book removed. Then you say that it should be in a Christian bookstore.

It doesn’t influence the scientific facts. It simply offers to the public, in a public park, an alternative perspective which they desire. The cost of which contributes to the upkeep of the park (environment).

You do realize, that my tax dollars, as well as yours, support the National Park Service.

I wonder….would you be as eager to ban “Legends of Landforms: Native American Lore and the Geology of the Land”?

I love Native American lore. I don’t necessarily embrace it as factual, but inspirational and beautiful in its’ content.

If you’re going to ban “Grand Canyon A Different View”, then I insist you ban all books on native american folklore from the National Park bookstores.

Not really! I’m more accomodating that that. You?

Over and out.

By Political Foreskin

December 29, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

The most common name in all of Mexico is Jesus. Chin is the most common in China. Big Hoss is the most common in Bonanza.

The greatest thing about the immigration problem is that we are talking about true believers in catholicism. They are a beautiful people with a universe to offer. They are family first, and peace loving, as are we.

We have to embrace Catholicism and revere it as much as we have to embrace Islam and revere it. It’s about respect for the right to worship as you please, without actually baptising anybody, we get it. I thought that was what we were doing in America: pretending to baptise people on Monty Python skits. Right? What?

Google Zeitgeist and pray for peace. (

Test your Zeitgeist skills here.

A). Would you let an illegal immigrant but catholic priest baptize your children? Answer that and I’ll tell you exactly who you are.

By RW-(the original)

December 29, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

Huge,

I know you have a reading comprehension problem so I’ll state it one more time.

I’m not the least bit interested in the auto maker topic.

Got it, dumba$$?

By One Voice

December 29, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

RW,

Then why did you make an ignorant statement connecting the comments Huge and I made regarding the auto industry to the old Iraqi regime? If you didn’t want to discuss it, then you should have kept your idiocy out of the fray, especially such a nonsensical statement. How exactly does being on the side of the American worker relate to Saddam’s sons? Explain that one, oh brilliant rationalizer.

By Diogenes

December 29, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

RW (the hapless monster):

You got it right sport.

By LuckoDull

December 29, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

Huh, looks like Lieberman really isn’t a Dullard:

On one side are extremists and terrorists led and sponsored by Iran, on the other moderates and democrats supported by the United States. Iraq is the most deadly battlefield on which that conflict is being fought. How we end the struggle there will affect not only the region but the worldwide war against the extremists who attacked us on Sept. 11, 2001.

However, one big question remains: Is he a Republican, haha.

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By One Voice

December 29, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

@@,

You are beginning to rival RW’s prowess for rationalizing the way you are advocating how we should sell a book that is nothing more than a pack of lies at a public monument. And don’t tell me that the people who publish that trash don’t intend it to be taken as historical fact, which even you’re not dumb enough to believe. Like RW with evolution, just because people want to believe something doesn’t make it the truth. Just because certain idiots would like to believe the “Great Flood” caused the formation of the Grand Canyon, it doesn’t mean there’s one bit of truth to it. So what you have is Christians peddling lies. Yet again.

By RW-(the original)

December 29, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

OV,

Are you trying to out idiot your brother, huge, today? My comment is about your synchronized personal attacks against a woman that isn’t even here and comparing the ad hominem attacks to the antics of Uday and Qusay. I swear you get more ignorant by the day, thank God you don’t really teach children around here.

By Diogenes

December 29, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

RW (the hopeless monster):

Your appallingly ignorant statement: “I guess that’s the same as your proof of Darwinism being the origin of man, nonexistent?”

Please

“Darwinism” does nothing, is nothing.

Yes, although it’s embarrassing to admit it, your species probably did climb down out the trees and toddled across the veldt 6 million years ago. I suggest that it is open to debate whether or not your species has advanced intellectually since then. Have the arms grown shorter? I can never remember with your particular species.

By Diogenes

December 29, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

Dusty (1200)

Thanks for the complaint. That’s like a gold star in blogging speak.

By One Voice

December 29, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

RW,

You can explain it all you want and it still won’t make sense because you’re an idiot. Granny will be back at some time today to read our responses, and I’m sure she’ll find a way to blame American workers again.

By the way, before you criticize someone else’s reading comprehension, you may want to check your own literacy skills. You can’t even form complete sentences correctly, something that the majority of the Georgia high school graduates actually can do (those graduates your dumba$$ is always denigrating).

By w00t

December 29, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

Let see, the death KIA death toll in Iraq has surpassed the 9/11 death toll. But let’s not forget the THOUSANDS of wounded men and women. Was it worth it? Not in the least. It is nothing more than a failed experiment gone horribly wrong. Unfortunately that experiment involved real people and real lives. We went to war with a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, nor had any weapons of mass destruction used in the justification. Bush and his administration have even admitted this. I do not understand why people CONTINUE to try to link Iraq to 9/11.

The only country that needed to be taken care of was Afghanistan. The base of operations for Al-Queda and Osama Bin Laden. OBL and his top men where the master minds of 9/11, yet we failed to go after him. There were numerous reports where commanders asked for more troops on the ground, but it was never followed up with. Bush and his administration let OBL slip away into the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan. All Bush could say to that was, “I don’t care”. What kind of person is that? Someone attacks what we would like to think is the greatest country in the world, and we let him get away, and he doesn’t even care?

No, because Bush saw an opportunity, an opportunity to invade a country with vast supplies of oil, fourth largest in the world to be exact. There are estimates of 112 gigabarrels of oil under Iraq’s soil. A war that would provide millions of dollars to friend’s companies and business investments, a war that would allow the military to continue its enormous appetite for spending your hard earned money. No wonder why he doesn’t want to pull out. There are far too many interested parties in Iraq.

They assumed it would be easy, we had done it before. We rolled into Iraq in 1991, obliterated the Iraqi army and left. We thought we could do it again, install a US friendly government, sell oil for reconstruction, and everything would be fine. Though, they were wrong. Instead there was hardly an Iraqi army, thanks in a large part to Sanctions, and no fly zones. We became bogged down with terrorist, sectarian violence, IED’s, and no end in site. We listened to an ever changing list of “justifications” for the war, but none of them could hold a candle to what we already knew. That Iraq never had anything to do with 9/11 and so many mistakes had been made that our ELECTED officials would not admit to.

By Huge

December 29, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

Dullman,

Of course, Lieberman isn’t a dullard (BTW, suck, you really need something less childish for your new adjective of the month). He’s a non neo-con/Democrat.

We all know his voting record. He did/does foolishly support King George II’s war, but he has voted against the neo-cons 80 - 90% of the time.

And for this you’re giggling?

So RW, you throw in your unsolicited and stupdifying comments about US automakers and then feign disinterest?! Then you try to cloak your comments as some sort of demented unrequested chivalry on the bigots behalf. Puke.

Typical neo-con, cut and run modus operandi. We’ve all seen it here many times before. Sad but comical, at the same time.

And yes you are absolutely right (finally) about something. You do have, and I fully support, every right of yours to say the dumbest and most misinformed things you desire. And I have every right to point out what a loser you are for doing so. So it all works out in the end…

On a happy note - it looks like Saddam wil be hanged very shortly. Too bad, it’s not OBL.

By Huge

December 29, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this

w00t

Right on, my brother with that 1:14!

To paraphrase the recently passed ex-prez Gerry, “When will our long national nightmare be over?”

Unfortunatly, unlike Nixon, heads in this administration won’t roll for their stupidity and hubris.

And even worse, the fools that supported and still support these clowns are willfully blind to any of it.

By RW-(the original)

December 29, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

Huge,

How is Saddam hanging a happy note if going into Iraq was such a mistake? It wouldn’t be happening any other way.

Better watch your spelling when you make up a word like “stupdifying”, your idiot brother the “school teacher” will be after you.

OV,

It’s pretty sad when all you have left is a typo or a colloquialism here and there to b!tch about. I guess you’re surrendering again, what name will we find you using next?

By RW-(the original)

December 29, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

wOOt,

Your rambling manifesto makes clear that Iraq and 9/11 aren’t related in any way, so why do you tie the death tolls to each other?

By RW-(the original)

December 29, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

By the way, I’m going to cut and golf. See you for Happy Hour.

By LuckoDull

December 29, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

Andrew…you are to this blog what what Jeff Gannon is to the White House press corps…

Lord Help Us: I know, aren’t those gay people just so awwwwful!

Let see, the death KIA death toll in Iraq has surpassed the 9/11 death toll.

w00t: I always wondered what it would be like to see the world through the eyes of a child again, to recapture that innocence, and I must thank you for getting me pretty damn close to the experience.

We lost 280,000 men in World War 2 but yet only 2,800 in the attack that started it. That’s a hundred times more for your clueless little a$$. I guess we could have called FDR an idiot and a war monger but we didn’t. Unlike today, most people were adults and understood that protection of the United States was far more important then some anal casualty figure.

To take your idiot premise to it’s conclusion, the mission that they gave their lives or wasn’t actually worth their supreme sacrifice to create something better, something good where nothing but evil existed, it was just a stupid bloodthirsty act of ignorant retribution that served no other purpose.

The only country that needed to be taken care of was Afghanistan.

Honestly, what about the “war on terror” do you not understand?

Can we only respond to those that slaughter our innocents and get caught red handed?

Would you like us to be the Islamic Quiktrip of infidels, one stop shopping, a place where Mohamed can waste a bunch of our children on his way to the “virgins?”

How dull.

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By LuckoDull

December 29, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

Excuse me, I left a key letter out:

To take your idiot premise to it’s conclusion, the mission that they gave their lives (((for))) wasn’t actually worth their supreme sacrifice to create something better, something good where nothing but evil existed, it was just a stupid bloodthirsty act of ignorant retribution that served no other purpose.

By One Voice

December 29, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

RW,

It is not a typo when you prove over and over that you don’t know where to put periods. You know that Georgia education system you’re always complaining about? Well, about 25% of those 17-year-olds have better skills than you do. Add to that the fact that you seem incapable of processing reasonable and relevant information, and you don’t have much left going for you.

By Buy Danish

December 29, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

Dio,

I’m going to venture a guess that “your species” went blind thanks to your overindulgent predecessor, or shall I say “avatar”.

Danish, you really are quite dense. Do you think that Honda and Toyota, which make cars in America using unionized labor, don’t have similar benefits? Do you think the unions say to their members “Hey, let’s be nice to the Japanese”? The only difference between Japanese car makers and American car makers is that the Japanese top management lives in Japan blah blah blah and more incorrect BS

Huge Idiot, Rushnduncecap and Commie Stalker Boy,

The costs of high wages and extraordinary benefits, incurred pursuant to union contracts, are perhaps the most significant explanation for the weakened state of the Big Three. While all of the Big Three’s U.S. facilities are organized by the UAW, none of the U.S. facilities fully owned by Japanese, Korean, or European companies employs union labor..

Translation for the Economically Challenged:

The competitors aren’t in the UAW or any freaking union. Moreover, the new employees of the Big Three have different contracts than the ones who operated under 1930s rules.

Next problem - the U.A.W. Union not only negotiated unsustainable (and now unfunded to the tune of 50 billion dollars) defined health and pension benefits into its contracts, it also imposed all sorts of perfect little Marxist rules such as:

All assembly line workers receive the same pay, regardless of the work they do; employees are promoted not on merit and skills but by seniority; labor contracts require them to support laid-off workers at 95 percent of salary, plus benefits, for the length of the contract, ad nauseum.

Translation: An inefficient and unsustainable system that cannot compete with companies who are not burdened with these stifling and unproductive restrictions.

Note to Huge Idiot - That^^would do much to explain these reasons you cited but obviously do not comprehend -“Big 3’s production inefficiencies, poor leadership, outdated designs and unwillingness to adapt to the new world market, among numerous other reasons, as a large part of their potential impending demise…

By Huge

December 29, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

“How is Saddam hanging a happy note if going into Iraq was such a mistake?”

RW,

Just how many times are you and your neo-con brothers going to grab at any straw, no matter how far off the mark, to justify this fiasco?

You know on something I’m fairly sure we agree upon - the justice of the hanging of Hussein - it always amazes me that you can then make those leaps of faith to that next level of stupidity.

Bringing criminals to justice through legitimate means does not mean anywhere even remotely close to the same thing as cooking the books and starting an invasion, based on fear mongering and misinformation. And then changing the “mission” repeatedly to make it all look sane.

But now that the King George II has us stuck there for the unforeseeable future, we might as well execute the fockface.

You see, the concept you again fail to grasp, is that it’s not a matter of Saddam deserving to die for his crimes. Everybody rational agrees he does. It’s a matter of whether we as a foreign nation should be in Iraq in the first place.

It’s not that hard to understand if you’d just open you eyes to reality.

The “War on Terror” will just have to wait, while somebody with a fully functional brain gets us out of this disaster.

Just look at andy’s last post comparing Pearl Harbor/WW II to Sept 11/Saddam to see such utter stupidity at it’s finest.

He has obviously listened very closely to the Bush administration ministers of misinformation…

By Lord Help Us

December 29, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

Andrew, I knew that comparing you to Jeff Gannon would get under your skin…

But, think about it for a minute…

You too have a bit in common…

For one, you both exposed yourselves in quite an embarrassing way…

By Huge

December 29, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

“However, the U.S. industry’s market share has been declining long before it began to incur the costs of an aging workforce…”

For illiterate scandinavians:

before - preposition 1. previous to; earlier or sooner than

For hate-mongering bloggers with bigoted nom de plumes;

For the first time in your life, go get a job and then come back and talk. Or better yet, just go get a job and don’t bother coming back…

By w00t

December 29, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Dull, ask yourself, was Iraq a direct threat to you? Do you honestly believe that Saddam was going to come after you in your sleep, or are you just parroting what Bush tells you?

I do understand what the “war on terror” is. It’s a made up slogan for people like yourself. Ones that are easily influenced by sound bites and one liners. Iraq never had anything to do with terrorism, Al-Queda, or 9/11. The only time that it became a terrorist haven was when we took it over and caused the vacuum that brought them there. We were safer before we went to war with Iraq. We should have left our resources in Afghanistan and finished the job in capturing OBL and wiping out the Taliban. Instead we have stretched ourselves thin. Not only has Bush failed in Afghanistan and Iraq, but he is failing in Iran too. Iran is flexing its regional power by supplying weapons and training to factions in Iraq, and Lebanon brought on by the removal of the Iraqi government and deteriorating situation there. It all amounts to a failed Middle East foreign policy.

WWII was a worthy cause; there was a direct threat, Hitler. He was hell bent and determined to take over the world. We fought it because millions of people and several countries were threatened and affected by it. You cannot compare WWII to the war in Iraq to each other. During WWII there was a centralized organization that we knew we could take out. Terrorism works more like a Hive mind, it has no central location. You can take out parts of the group, but it still functions, and has the ability to grow back. The only way destroy it is to kill it all at one time, or change its behavior. WWII was a conventional war, where armies fought each other on the battle field. The war in Iraq is guerrilla warfare. You can never win a war like that. Especially a war fought over ideas and between different groups. Though, this comparison between WWII and Iraq was another brainchild by your beloved Bush Administration.

By LuckoDull

December 29, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

Just look at andy’s last post comparing Pearl Harbor/WW II to Sept 11/Saddam to see such utter stupidity at it’s finest.

You know, you’re right and I’ve reconsidered my position. September 11th, 2001 was far worse than Pearl Harbor was and it was wrong for me to compare the two.

Dull, ask yourself, was Iraq a direct threat to you?

Simpleton: I know for a fact he isn’t a threat anymore.

I do understand what the “war on terror” is.

No, really!?

I guess you probably did go to public school so allow me to give you some research material, assuming you are competent enough to research of course:

Lockerbie, Beirut, USS Cole, Khobar Towers.

Would you like to name one intentional American attack upon the people of the Middle East that even remotely approaches one of these abominations, before 9/11?

I’d like to believe that we have quit listening to freaks like you, that we are no longer going to stand idly by while these fanatics kill hundreds and hundreds of our innocent women and children.

5 years and they haven’t again, that’s success to me.

Obviously, you don’t mind seeing dead American women and children.

I can’t help you with that.

That’s your problem.

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By Midori

December 29, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

Killing them with common sense :)

I’ve been reading this blog the past two days, and must say that I am so thankful that I am on the same side as Huge, LHU, One Voice, Getalife, W00t and Rushncap.

you guys RAWK!!!!!!!!!!!

By TommyT

December 29, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

Speaking for the Conservatives on this blog, we’re glad you’re on the other side too, Midori.

By rushncap

December 29, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

Thanks Midori. Glad to be on that side as well.

Danish — for once you’re right. Japanese car makers don’t use unionized labor. In which case maybe labor overhaul is in order. Frankly I don’t know enough about the subject area to have an informed opinion, but you may well be right that some benefits would have to be cut for the Big Three (Big Two, really, Chrysler is owned by Mercedes now) to stay competitive. Frankly that is a very specialized issue, I don’t know who is right there, and who isn’t.

By rushncap

December 29, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

P.S. Danish: your arguments are somewhat undermined when you link to an article titled “Blowing Exhaust: Detroit’s Woes Belie a Healthy U.S. Auto Market”. What the entirety of the article says is that while the health benefits / unionized labor costs are the one legit complaint of the Big Three, there are several other problems as well.

By Buy Danish

December 29, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

Huge Idiot,

That’s it???

I hate to ruin your psuedo-triumph but that petty little comment does nothing to disprove the fact that the U.A.W. put the Big Three at an impossible disadvantage when forced to compete with non-union companies who produced a superior product.

btw, that link from Berkeley you provided is acting up so I can’t quote from it which is a darned shame. I’m sure your fellow parrots would have delighted in reading a bunch of algebraic equations from Left Coast professors.

And apparently you missed the part about the “poor workmanship” costing “brand loyalty” which resulted in reduced sales. Gee, I wonder how the U.A.W.’s union rules might have ended up producing inferior products?

Finally, only a freaking idiot like you would also make the incredible leap that the mere mention of Detroit is “bigotry” and my universally acknowledged recognition that the unions are killing the Big Three somehow equates to hating the American people.

I’m cutting to buy ingredients for Happy Hour…

By Lord Help Us

December 29, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

Would someone please tell Andrew that Iraq was not involved with Lockerbie, Beirut, USS Cole, Khobar Towers, 9/11, the embassy attacks, etc.

I don’t have the heart to tell him…

By Midori

December 29, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

My pleasure, TommyT.

Really, the pleasure is ALL mine.

You people are living in an alternate universe - The bilky way if you will.

I prefer the oxygen and gravity here on Earth.

By LuckoDull

December 29, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

By w00t December 29, 2006 02:37 PM I do understand what the “war on terror” is.

By Lord Help Us December 29, 2006 03:33 PM Would someone please tell Andrew that Iraq was not involved with Lockerbie, Beirut, USS Cole, Khobar Towers, 9/11, the embassy attacks, etc.

Maybe paying attention wouldn’t hurt?

By getalife

December 29, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

WH: Bin Laden Capture “A Success That Hasn’t Occurred Yet”

Freaking idiot.

My threesome with Paris and Britney is a sucess that hasn’t occured yet.

Geez.

By rushncap

December 29, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

Apparently Danish thinks algebra has a partisan worldview. I guess she’s buying into Colbert’s famous: “Facts have a well-known liberal bias.”

By Huge

December 29, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this

Yes, there are many reasons for the Big 3’s current bleak situation.

Just as there are probably many reasons that the bigot is so hateful and close-minded. (BTW, Nuke Michigan says hi!) But, unlike the first topic, that is an issue that may never be resolved.

And yes I know that anything those darn liberal Left Coast Professors in Berkeley write about is to be distrusted as lies. (Good point about that dufus algebra comment, rushncap!)

Something tells me that they are a bit more credible that the tripe she links to at Dumba$$ State College.

So she believes that her analysis is universally recognized and endorsed? But my question to her is - which universe?!

So drink up, BD! Enjoy that bitter Kool Aid!

Right back at ya, Midori!

Have a good weekend, friends! And to you neo-cons, just try not to be too miserable, OK?

By Buy Danish

December 29, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Thanks for the acknowledgement, although I’m not sure what you mean by “Japanese car makers don’t use unionized labor. In which case maybe labor overhaul is in order.”

I hope you’re not suggesting that the Japanese be forced to join the U.A.W. or some such entity.

And yes, there are other reasons, but the Unions are mostly responsible for those too, as I noted to Huge Gas Bag earlier.

As for the algebraic equation, my point was that it was not going to capture the imagination of most bloggers here, and that an equation does not answer the question in any case.

Huge Fathead,

I have never suggested nuking Michigan. I have suggested that, since we are at war, we be very careful about who we let into the country, be wary of people who want to immediately don oppressive clothing like the hijab and demand segregated gyms and other things which create ethnic and gender apartheid. I have said that we need to be vigilant about phony groups like C.A.I.R. who devolved from terrorist organizations, and not be swayed by politically-correct gasbags like you who pretend that Islamists who think you’re an infidel and want to convert you by the sword are no different from the majority of Americans - who are, much to your sorrow, of Christian heritage.

By rushncap

December 29, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

Again, Danish, I don’t know enough about the situation with UAW to suggest a solution. I have a feeling you don’t either, but you do know the party line of what you’re supposed to think, so that’s good. I think the issues here are too complex; and, frankly, it’s fairly irrelevant what I think. The issue here is between management and labor at those plants. All I know is that as a consumer I will buy whatever is the best bargain for me, taking into account many variables, including reliability, price, comfort, social responsibility and environmental impact. If an American car wins out — great. If not — whatever.

By Buy Danish

December 29, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

I don’t think the issues are complex at all. It comes down to allowing the free-market to work with as few hindrances as possible.

By N-GA

December 29, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this

I find it amusing that the wingnuts believe Big Labor is found to be the root cause for the American Automobile Industry having its butt kicked by foreign competition.

Yes, labor union contracts (specifically the cost of medical insurance) have more impact on the cost of a Ford, Chrysler or Chevrolet than their competition. Who approved and signed those contracts? Big Moneybags Management did it!!! Shoot, Ronald Reagan would have had those unions busted, for sure. Then our automotive industry wouldn’t be sucking wind…or would they? Yep, just watch TV and see GM trying to sell them H1’s, H2’s and H3’s. Of course we also have those Yukons, Navigators, and Excursions.

Why can’t an American manufacturer design and build a Honda Accord or a Toyota Camry or a Nissan Altima? Either they can’t do it, or they don’t know how to successfully market what they build. But don’t lay all the blame in the laps of the unions. If you follow the story you will find that the auto unions have also given back a lot of what they got in their most recent contracts.

By rushncap

December 29, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

Actually, Danish, unions ARE a free market tool. Workers have a right to freely organize. We also know, btw, that laissez-faire capitalism does not work.

By RW-(the original)

December 29, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

How about the fact that Detroit couldn’t compete with Japan on something like the Camry or Altima because of the very real disparity in labor costs and union contracts that Buy Danish has been pointing out to you for two freaking days? So T the only way they could keep a market share was to sell a product they made better than Japan, which was the SUV.

Economics professor rushncap,

How do we know that laissez-faire capitalism doesn’t work? Please enlighten us professor.

Huge military strategist and Iraqi law expert,

Are you really going with the story that Iraq would have just tried and executed Saddam if we just left them alone? Why do you suppose that Al Qaeda wants us out of Iraq so bad if us being there is such a great recruiting tool for them?

Maybe you share their goals, you think?

OV,

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Please insert those wherever you want. I’ll offer a suggestion if you like.

By Buy Danish

December 29, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

That’s some free market when States have laws that require union membership, and legislators and “activists” work to force companies like WalMart to unionize or be demonized.

I don’t know how a child of the Soviet Union defines “laissez-faire” so I’m not prepared to respond to that comment.

By @@

December 29, 2006 06:13 PM | Link to this

One Voice:

Your 12:53 response to a comment I made to wOOt was over overzealous, to say the least.

I’m well aware of what formed the Grand Canyon. It was the Colorado River.

The author of the book makes no demands as to the conclusion drawn by the reader. The book is sold in “independent” bookstores in the park.

In the church that I attend, we are told that “the great flood” was regional and did not encompass the entire earth, but may have appeared to since everyone’s world was so much smaller then, and travel was so restricted.

You really don’t give much credit to everyone else’s ability to think, do you OV? You want to do all their thinking for them because they’re all so pathetically ignorant in your estimation.

Let me guess. It was the words “inspirational” and the phrase “beautiful in its’ content” that you found repulsive. There’s no room in your superior mind for such trivialities.

You said “just because people want to believe something doesn’t make it the truth”. Now we’re right back to the theory of evolution aren’t we?

You want it to be true so therefore you declare it so.

O.K., fine. Others are waiting for the undeniable truth to support the theory.

Personally, I could care less while I’m waiting.

By N-GA

December 29, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this

Wow RW,

Somehow you manage to distort facts in an effort to prove your argument. What a dolt you are!! You say that higher labor costs make it impossible to compete against the Camry or Altima. What are the labor costs for building a US brand SUV? And you think those SUV’s are superior to the 4-runner, the Landcruiser, the Murano, etc.? You’ve lost it completely, now RW. Some of us used to think you had some neurons worth saving. Not anymore, poser.

By rushncap

December 29, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

RW — it’s called The Great Depression. Look it up in a book, if you have one.

Danish — labor is able to exert its muscle, right? I mean, with no government involvement they can do what they want, when they want: strike, refuse to work with those not in a union, pressure the management of a corporation to unionize, etc. What’s fair for the goose, Danish…

By Buy Danish

December 29, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

If bitter Stalker Boy managed to produce children and held his nose long enough to celebrate Christmas, this is what his poor kids would find under the tree.

Daddy!

By rushncap

December 29, 2006 06:32 PM | Link to this

@@, it’s called the separation of church and state. The National Park Service is a government organization. As such they are not allowed to lend even tacit support to a religious view, such as “Noah’s Ark” legends. This is not about open minds. It’s about law, and obeying it. Even if disobeying it is “beautiful” or “inspirational”.

By Buy Danish

December 29, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Actually - Wrong. There IS government involvement when States force companies to unionize, and employees are not free NOT to belong to a union.

Perhaps it’s better if you just stick with your original admission which was that you didn’t no squat about the subject.

By RW-(the original)

December 29, 2006 06:35 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

I don’t think the Detroit SUV products are superior anymore dumba$$, that’s why they no longer have any market unless they completely overhaul their labor and pension obligations. That should be obvious to anybody after seeing the evidence presented here. Are you sure you made your millions in business? Maybe you were trading with the enemy when you pretended to be a war hero.

By Buy Danish

December 29, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

This is for Huge Idiot, the Open Borders proponent’s best friend.

By RW-(the original)

December 29, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

Not good enough Professor rushncap,

We weren’t operating under what you refer to as laissez-faire economics in 1929 and the Smoot-Hawley of 1930 is widely credited for turning a short term downturn into near economic disaster. It’s legacy of government interference lives on to this day and is constantly exacerbated by “do gooders” that can’t ever let the market work on it’s own. I doubt you could find a handful of cases, if you could find any, where a free market solution wasn’t preferable to government regulation and price manipulation.

That’s especially obvious every time we have a disaster and the laws against “price gouging” cause many to do without or wait for government that has neither the capability nor the responsibility for supplying goods and services.

By Buy Danish

December 29, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

Oops, Make that didn’t “know” squat.

RW,

What amazes me is the knee-jerk reaction to defend the unions despite the fact that it has ultimately brought ruin to the employees it was supposed to serve.

And maybe NG-A likes to stand in an assembly line and make widgets all day, every day, with no shot at ever doing anything else because that would be against union rules.

By rushncap

December 29, 2006 06:48 PM | Link to this

Danish — I probably know about as much about the subject as you. I never said anything about unions forcing state governments to require unionization. You should read my posts more carefully. As I said, this is a complicated issue, and I don’t know enough about it to have a well-formed opinion. You don’t know enough about it to have one either, but it does not stop you.

By Political Foreskin

December 29, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

The Duke accuser/recanter is starting to sound like Cynthia McKinney.

By Buy Danish

December 29, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

rushncap (in-artful dodger),

No you don’t.

Read my lips: There are laws that exist TODAY which require union membership.

The exceptions are “Right to Work” States. And that is just the tip of that old melting iceberg.

I leave you all with a Mussolini Moment from the New York Times who waxes nostalgic over the fact that living under Islamic Fascism was so much more orderly.

By RW-(the original)

December 29, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

They allow Congresspersons to be sworn in using a Holy book, is that not a tacit support of a religious view? By the way, did the word “independent” escape you when @@ told you about the book stores at the Grand Canyon?

Guess what? If you go camping in the Grand Canyon National Parks they offer a Sunday religious service. It’s no more mandatory than buying a book, but available nonetheless.

By RW-(the original)

December 29, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

TommyT,

Thanks for properly placing Midori, but parrots don’t actually get to vote anyway. I think she bird flu though, that SQUAWK came out as RAWK.

One Huge Moronic voice,

When are you boys taking that church burning show on the road?

By LuckoDull

January 1, 2007 08:04 AM | Link to this

The Atlanta Journal Constitution, Yesterday’s “news” with an anti American twist.

AJC- Americans pessimistic about 2007

You reckon that could be because the democrats are in charge of Congress now?

Hell of a wake up call for the nation that was, huh?

Or maybe it’s cause you dullards are sad about Saddam and can’t think clearly right now?:

Video raises suspicions execution was for revenge!

I’m trying to well up a tear with y’all but it just ain’t workin.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

By Political Foreskin

January 1, 2007 08:19 AM | Link to this

RW got a mention in the Wooten New Years Day Resolution blog. Wooten claimed that RW got in the last comment for 2006. Props to RW for getting the last word, the second to last word, the first word, the 1000th-2000 word, the median word, the medium word, the average word, and the ad nauseum, ad infinitum e pluripuss weenum word.

We need blog limits so that trolls are leashed.

By Dusty

January 1, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

PoFo,@ 8:19..

That is the greatest satire you have ever written. You, who could never stop babbling for thousands of times on these blogs, want to accuse RW of over production. Oh, the established and prolific fool wants to set up blog limits. Poor PoFo!! He doesn’t even realize that he would be the first to GO if we had troll limits.

By getalife

January 1, 2007 12:06 PM | Link to this

Hey Andy, this is the new face of the gop

This freak sounds just like you and he is a gay porn star.

By LuckoDull

January 1, 2007 12:21 PM | Link to this

gotnolife: Is there something wrong with being gay?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

By getalife

January 1, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Well, according to Andy and the gop, they think there is something wrong with it.

By Patriotic Foreskin

January 1, 2007 01:27 PM | Link to this

Glad you like the material, Dusty.

I respect my audience, and know that with out their attention, I could not be heard.

May you have a super successful new year and all your dreams come true!

By Midori

January 1, 2007 02:56 PM | Link to this

Political Foreskin,

Doesn’t surprise me, as he is nothing but a p*ssy who likes to get in his boring, non funny, idiotic prose right before the blogs close.

and then he and his coven run to his blog to congratulate themselves and Bush on being idiots.

By Dusty

January 1, 2007 04:05 PM | Link to this

Yes, PoFo,

I like your material ‘specially when it is posted somewhere I don’t read.

You will always have an adoring audience of two, getalife and the dirty word damsel Midori.

Happy New Year to you, PoFo, and may your fancies be fruitful.

By Patriotic Foreskin

January 1, 2007 05:36 PM | Link to this

Cartoon Idea. Show the Shia chanting at Saddam’s Hangin’ and they’re all showing him the Time Magazine Mirror cover. By the way, I think we just crucified the (Bizarro) Christ. Saddam Hussein. We’ve set the second Shia coming in motion. Aren’t you sorry you were crowing so half-cocked? (like john wayne bobbit)

The think tanks came upon this exact moment in their meditations with Cheney. The smart money bet that the persians and the arabs would never join forces even if it meant they could ice israel.

We are being forced to perform these sacred, cermonial bloodletting ballets and it’s taking on a momentum and a forging a destiny of it’s own.

The Iraqi War is making quantum leaps in prophesy fulfillments making it different from every other war we’ve ever fought.

Our army is now chained to this Iraqi cross that the shia themselves took up on their own shoulders. Our troops are milling around the desert pell mell like tumbleweed.

This whole stage of our occupation is tenuous.

By RW-(the original)

January 1, 2007 05:38 PM | Link to this

Geez Midori,

When we were dating you always liked me in odd numbered years.

By Patriotic Foreskin

January 1, 2007 06:01 PM | Link to this

But dusty, I adore midori. Midori eez so beautiful, and you are so beautiful, and we are so beautiful together.

Did you ever do that by the way, like in sophomore year, meet someone for sex underneath the bleachers while a football game was being played?

I lived for that stuff. It’s all I did on friday nights. And I was on the football team, you should have seen me in the off season.

Me2Dusty: “I was a dirty bird, dusty’s not grungy, she’s beachin’.

Happy New Year (I had to make sure you weren’t a man, sorry).

Hi Midori. Yes, dusty was doing that, and yes, they do run to their own chatroom and chat it up. But bloggers and chatroomers are two different people. Bloggers are quasi-journalists, and para-pamphleteers. Chatroomers are mall rats and bilge sumps with pixels.

I wonder which one I am?

By Dusty

January 1, 2007 06:40 PM | Link to this

Dear PoFo,

“I wonder which one I am?”

You’ve got to ask? No one else has to ask. You are quasi-coocoo and para-pathetic.

By Thomas

January 2, 2007 03:54 PM | Link to this

-=-

So quiet here today 0-0

Kinda nice actually

By Proud Pinko Liberal

January 2, 2007 03:54 PM | Link to this

Invited to address a major gathering of the American Indian Nation last weekend in Arizona, President Bush spoke for almost an hour of his future plans for increasing every Native American’s present standard of living.

Though vague on the details of his plan, he appeared enthusiastic about his ideas for helping his “red brothers.”

At the conclusion of his speech, the Tribes presented the President with a plaque inscribed with his new Indian name ˜Walking Eagle”

As the President departed waving to the crowd in his motorcade, a news reporter asked the group of chiefs how they came to select the new name given to the President.

They explained that Walking Eagle is the name given to a bird so full of sh1t it can no longer fly.

By Dusty

January 2, 2007 04:05 PM | Link to this

Proud Pinko Liberal,

I think your story is full of the stuff you mentioned. It sounds as phony as a two dollar bill.

I have worked in Indian Health Service Hospitals for many summers. Most tribes are proud of their people in the military and have memorials to those who served.

Do you know that the first woman killed in the Iraq War was a Hopi from Arizona? I do not believe that your story is anything but something churned up by a liberal reporter.

I salute the Native Americans who fight in our military and I salute their Commander in Chief.

By @@

January 2, 2007 04:28 PM | Link to this

Dusty:

PPL is re-circulating a 2005 e-mail hoax dubbing Bush as “Walking Eagle”.

In 2004 the same e-mail story circulated dubbing Kerry as “Running Eagle”.

I think I’d rather have a leader who watches the path carefully, and moves forward methodically rather than a “would have been” president who runs so fast he keeps tripping over his own tongue again and again and….

By Patriotic Foreskin

January 2, 2007 04:30 PM | Link to this

Point of order: Jessica Lynch was NOT an Hopi Indian.

By Patriotic Foreskin

January 2, 2007 04:33 PM | Link to this

@@, at 4:28 which one is W?

By Thomas

January 2, 2007 04:51 PM | Link to this

-=-

LOL @ PPL

That was a great joke -= and definitly worth repeating grins

Pity some people take everything so serious here —-

Now this should also bring about some interesting commentary as well — evil grin

http://littledemocrats.net/

-=-

By L. Helms

January 2, 2007 04:51 PM | Link to this

What’s the point. Does this mean the Japanese are producing more autos than the US altogether?

By Dusty

January 2, 2007 04:52 PM | Link to this

PoFo.

Lori Piestewa, Hopi,was the first Native American woman killed in action in Iraq.

Jessica Lynch is not a Hopi and she is NOT dead.

By @@

January 2, 2007 04:53 PM | Link to this

Well PatiFourCakes, Bush would be the one “who DID become President”.

Bush is the one who stays on the path and doesn’t take every available detour for political reasons.

I like that in a President. I like that real good.

By Thomas

January 2, 2007 04:59 PM | Link to this

Just remember -

Lemmings stay the course too - and follow the leader right over the cliff.

W’s war in Iraq has hurt the standing of this country worldwide and internally as well! This partisan bickering here is proof of that in itself. Rather than a uniter he has caused a rift amongst us all that will never heal.

Thomas

By Butch Gaddy

January 2, 2007 05:33 PM | Link to this

With news media like the AJC,CNN,MSNBC and the New York Times…..why do we need enemies? My god people, just read and listen to news they spew. If you really want to feel bad about our country and yourself, read and listen to their garbage. Our President is making decisions based on real events…..not on poles. Thats why I feel as though he is a good man doing great job. Look at history and you will see no war strategy was ever perfect and we never won every battle.

By getalife

January 2, 2007 06:08 PM | Link to this

Butch,

The majority of Americans think differently but keep cheering on the cheerleader ( the worst President ever).

The MSM is corporate owned like our government. Try the blogs for reality.

By Dusty

January 2, 2007 06:19 PM | Link to this

@@ and Butch Gaddy,

I like reading posts like yours. You sound like you can see through the hoopla and understand the many difficulties of wartime.

Our president has a really tough job. I am glad we have an honest and steadfast leader.

By Bill

January 2, 2007 06:26 PM | Link to this

Oh Butchie! You really should tie a vomit bucket around your neck. Heaping praise on “our president.” Nothing like starting into the new year dumber than the year before. You little wee-wee people just never grow.

By Phil

January 2, 2007 06:29 PM | Link to this

Hey there, Luckodumb, just what “American strength” would that be?

By Raymond

January 2, 2007 06:36 PM | Link to this

Another brilliant, masterful stroke in Iraq. Saddam’s ending. We’re on the fast track to…winning.

By Huge

January 2, 2007 06:42 PM | Link to this

Hey getalife!

For the first time today, I spent some time checking out Wooten’s. I was mildly surprised, as it was not the usual venom pit that I had seen on several other visits.

But then again, Markus was absent. Now there’s a class act for you! And there were very, very few ultra neo-cons there. Consequently the intelligence of the debates was pretty good and the personal attaacks and name-calling not over-riding. Refreshing

But there was one post from Rita that cracked me up. When someone posted the sobering fact that the American death count in Iraq has now reached 3,000, she retorted with a link about how 16,919 people had died in alcohol-related auto accidents in 2004.

I was trying to find a link showing how many people had been killed by falling pianos in the past 10 years, but ran out of time.

It never ceases to amaze me - the mind of a neo-con…

By Midori

January 2, 2007 06:53 PM | Link to this

Huge, Getalife

Happy New Year to you :)

By Midori

January 2, 2007 06:55 PM | Link to this

I can’t wait for the investigations to begin.

Then we can really see just how “honest and steadfast” the Crawford Retard is.

By getalife

January 2, 2007 06:59 PM | Link to this

Huge,

It amazes me too.

Happy New Year Midori.

By @@

January 2, 2007 07:00 PM | Link to this

Dusty:

You’re welcome. It’s funny how the leftists have always taken great pride in being the revolutionaries.

Every time I see them quote the polls, I can’t help but think that we have now taken that noble position from them.

While their revolution has always been to overthrow our own government, we’ve become revolutionists in support of our government, our troops and their cause.

For those here who continue to claim that there was some conspiracy by Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bush to attack Iraq prior to 2001, can you please explain Operation “Inside Out” which was clearly intended to kill Saddam, his two sons the the prominent leaders within the Baath party prior to the invasion.

The troops were awaiting orders to invade. The attack on a specified location was offered by George Tenet and the CIA prior to invasion. Bush took a gamble hoping that fighting and casualties could be avoided. The information was bad, but the intentions was good.

Saddam had been given fair warning to remove himself from power. He didn’t.

How different would things have been if he had. What would you all be saying now if he had only…..