Mike Luckovich

By Cash-n-Carry Croissants

December 21, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

C+ This is too much like the “I went to a fight last nite and a hockey game broke out” hack from the fifties, man.

The dazed look on the bar mate is funny, but a fresh twist would have been nice. Maybe something about a loose ball foul or a punch thrown from the three point line….yeah, it’s weak, maybe you milked it one last time, I guess, but that’s the last time. Or I’m reporting you to the Pulitzer Prize Selection Oversight Committe. (which is headed by Donald Trump).

Rosey O’Donnell and The Donald are exchanging point blank venom. What a gold mine. The Donald’s going to give Rosie a second chance because, “she’s a good person who gave a wayward 2nd chin a home.”

By I Voted for the War Even Though I'm a Sissy

December 21, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

War is very scary, and so is the NBA.

But I put aside my fears and watch the Hawks…

All those guys in shorts.

Be still my chickenhawk heart.

By I Voted for the War Even Though I'm a Sissy

December 21, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

War is very scary, and so is the NBA.

But I put aside my fears and watch the Hawks…

All those guys in shorts.

Be still my chickenhawk heart.

By Nomad

December 21, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

I agree with Cash-n-Carry. C+ you have done better.

Merry Christmas, NOMAD

By Mrs. Godzilla

December 21, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this

Professional basketball, like football, is the real joke.

By LMAO

December 21, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

Mike, are you insane??? Totally divorced from reality? Living in a cave?

Are you kidding me??? Another non-Bush cartoon. Why?

We have the worst President in American history. He has embarrassed the nation. What do we get, a stupid NBA cartoon.

Wake up Mike! Until then, I have cancelled my subscription to the AJC.

By Truthman

December 21, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

I thought the guy on the left was “Sgt.” Bill O’Reilly after a Cheney hunting trip!

By LuckoDull

December 21, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

Gosh, this one sent shivers down my spine.

An anti war dig and week old stale lame a$$ commentary about a basketball team thousands of miles from dull little Atlanta.

I can barely contain my glee.

I feel just like a left winger celebrating the censorship of the Cobb County evolution “debate:”

The End — to era of shame- the board is giving up its four-year campaign to ensure that Cobb County students haven’t been duped by teachers into believing the evolution theory.

It’s almost like a bunch of libs living in Fulton County should even care. I guess our hatred of God and free speech knows no boundaries, huh?

So let us celebrate our close mindedness and leap for joy over this new secular victory, and then we’ll take two weeks off for CHRISTmas with all the rest of the Christians that we despise.

How dull can a liberal be?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

By "Tax and Spend" Republicans

December 21, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - President Bush signed legislation Wednesday that gives billions of dollars to coal-producing states to clean up hazardous abandoned coal mines and pay for health care for retired miners.

First an entitlement for drugs for old folks, now an entitlement program for a “green” cleanup and another for health care for poor Appalachain miners. King George is the LBJ of the 21st century, the Republican party is now the “tax n spend” party, and the Democrats are the ones paying down the national debt. Anybody else feel like they’re in a bad episode of the Twilight Zone?

By The Watcher

December 21, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

He’s baaaack.

By HumanisticJones

December 21, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

Ah the evolution/ID debate brought up here by LuckoDull. Very few people are aware of the real duping that’s going on with that. The Discovery institute that created the nice shiny PR package called Intelligent Design (open up that wrapping paper and all that’s in it is Abrahamic Creationism and theocratic education) has specifically stated in their own internal documents and even some of their members public words that this debate was never about making sure that children got all their options in class, but its about making sure that eventually there is only one option: Fundamentalist Christian theocracy.

“The objective (of the wedge strategy) is to convince people that Darwinism is inherently atheistic, thus shifting the debate from creationism vs. evolution to the existence of God vs. the non-existence of God. From there people are introduced to ‘the truth’ of the Bible and then ‘the question of sin’ and finally ‘introduced to Jesus.’”-Phillip E. Johnson

Sorry, but if I want to be introduced to Jesus, I’ll go to church, not biology class. Now I have no problem with children learning about the bible, but lets keep it where it belongs… right next to the Nordic Eddas, Greek and Roman epics, and other mythologies. Its great literature, but its no history or science book.

Have a particularly short dayed Winter Solstice everyone!

By Truthman

December 21, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

We’ve been in a bad “Twilight Zone” episode ever since five “activist” judges gave the Chimperor the White House!!

By candide

December 21, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

The American male knows more about football than foreign affairs. That is our Achilles’ heel.

By Truthman

December 21, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

Right back atchya, my pagan friend.

Fir trees with lights on them to ward off the winter darkness of the solstice.

By Mike

December 21, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

Yawn. Is this partisan hack ever going to draw a Democrat?

I love these outraged types who seem to only be able to get mad at Republicans.

By Shawny

December 21, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

Here is a good cartoon idea…Sandy Berger standing next to a construction trailer with papers underneath it…papers sticking out of his socks and out of his pants…saying, “it depends on what your definition of ‘is’ is…”

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20061221/D8M4TNQ80.html

By Equal Time

December 21, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

Mike, what kind of “partisan” are you?

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

For all you uninformed and uneducated liberals, which would mean all of you, here’s what the sticker says:

“This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.”

Exactly WHERE does it say “Intelligent Design??”

Notice how the libs NEVER show the whole sticker?

You idiots be happy in your ignorance.

By @@

December 21, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

I can only drop in occasionally, but I’m here to help ml.

The guy on the right. Are you sure you didn’t mean for him to say “Quit going to N-GA games?”

You know N-GA mike. He/she’s the poster (your fan) who has SEEN, SMELLED, and TASTED combat. He/she mentions it all too often.

You acknowledged Midori (your BIGGEST fan), now you’re acknowledging N-GA, aren’t you?

I was embarrassed for your fans yesterday ml.

Brave warriors circling Dusty. Kinda reminded me of vultures hovering over your dead carry-on.

You’re welcome in advance Midori.

By HumanisticJones

December 21, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Well let me ask you this, if I were to come by your church and slap a stick on all of your bibles that said this…

“This Bible contains material on Creationism. Creationism is a conjecture, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.”

…how would you react?

By HumanisticJones

December 21, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

Also, I’d like to point out that the whole sticker idea is another strategy pushed by the Discovery Institute, the “Teach the Controversy” strategy. This gamble was created after their ID nonsense was exposed as the propaganda it was. Teach the controversy uses tactics like these in an attempt to create the idea that evolution is not widely accepted by scientists (a blatant lie). “Teach the Controversy” is just their new PR scheme to try to work back up to ID.

No this issue didn’t say intelligent design, but the matter at hand is that there are enemies of rational thought that are attempting to undermine years of research and observation simply because it contradicts with their Sky-god conjecture.

By Truthman

December 21, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

Humanistic Liar:

Evolution is only a theory in cases such as yours.

Please check the Establishment Clause of your U.S. Constitution (you know, that big, old document that is the basis for our government…or was until five years ago).

And I’m guessing you didn’t read the article last week about the proof of recent (within 30,000 years) evolutionary processes in humans whereby a gene has switched “on” that allows humans to digest lactose (milk and cheese). It seems humans didn’t consume milk after breast milk until camels were domesticated. Most people were very lactose intolerant, but some were able to digest milk without a problem. That gene has taken over in our DNA and now, most people can drink milk and eat cheese throughout their lives.

How can you dispute that, cha cha? Is that just so scary to accept? If you want to believe your god has something to do with that, fine! But, you can’t teach that to my kids in your publicly-funded school. Keep it in YOUR house and in YOUR life and in YOUR church, and I’ll keep my beliefs in MY house.

Evolution IS!

Science IS!

Education IS (I’m very educated)!

Religion is a myth, but I will protect with my life your right to exercise you religious faith as I am sure you will protect with your life my right to reject the religion-myth, right HL? That’w what Christians do, right, they accept and love ALL people, right?

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

Well let me ask you this, if I were to come by your church and slap a stick on all of your bibles that said this…

HJ: Check this out, Church is a choice while school is not.

If you don’t want to learn the Love of God, then don’t go to Church.

Also, I’d like to point out that the whole sticker idea is another strategy pushed by the Discovery Institute

Do you have like any proof, or is that just not necessary with you liberals? And why does everything have to be some fever swamp conspiracy theory, are you paranoid or what?

Please check the Establishment Clause of your U.S. Constitution

“Truth”man: I posted what the sticker says^^ and you blatantly ignore that instead choosing to assign a straw man argument where there is none.

This is the best you liberals can do?

No wonder you had to hide behind the skirt of the ACLU to get it censored.

By Truthman

December 21, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

Personally, I’d put a sign at every entrance to Cobb County stating:

“Cobb County is conjecture, not an actual fact! Please enter Cobb County with an open mind, study it carefully and consider it critically!”

You know, Cobbakazis, the 1950s sucked for women, blacks, artists, free thinkers and most people who weren’t WASPs. Quit trying to bring them back.

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

“You know, Cobbakazis, the 1950s sucked for women, blacks, artists, free thinkers and most people who weren’t WASPs. Quit trying to bring them back.”

“Truth”man: So what exactly does racism have to do with evolution?

Why don’t you just come straight out and say that your argument for evolution is so weak that you have to conjure up some victims to try and distract attention from the debate?

Oh, I’m sorry, you did.

By Truthman

December 21, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

I love the ACLU!! With them around, the tyranny of the majority is kept in check.

What strawman did I create? I just presented an evolutionary FACT, and you denial is so deep you cannot even begin to present a cogent argument.

I rest my case and I win!! As London Tipton would say, “Yea, me!!”

By Truthman

December 21, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

Racism and denial of evolution go hand in hand.

As do evolutionary scientists, I believe that all of us were dark-skinned 2,000 generations ago before we began walking out of Africa (It’s also been proven by a marvelous scientist who has traced the genetic link that binds us all to our ancestors in Africa. The show was on Public Television about six months ago, but, of course, you didn’t watch it). Racists believe people of color are an anomaly - a mistake (which is funny because most Bible thumpers also believe their god is infallable [e.g. how did an infallable god make a mistake and create the black man?]).

People who deny evolution are less educated, more prone to be racist and anti-semetic, and believe that their way is the ONLY way and all others are wrong and, therefore, lesser people!!

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

“What strawman did I create?”

I already told you once:

Please check the Establishment Clause of your U.S. Constitution

The sticker says NOTHING of religion. N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Read it again. Why are you bringing up the 1st amendment?

I’m not over your head here, am I?

Are you wishing you could call the ACLU and censor me?

By Truthman

December 21, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

No, I value everyone’s right to free speech.

Of course those stickers are about religion. You tell me why they are NOT religious in nature?

“The Congress of the United States shall establish no religion.”

To put such stickers in books to be used in public schools is a tacit establishment of one religion over another.

Am I in over YOUR head?

Tyranny of the majority doesn’t make something right or true!!

“Right causes are not always popular, and popular causes are not always right!” —Buckminster Fuller

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

“Racism and denial of evolution go hand in hand.”

Well, O.K, if we are going to assign arguments to each other instead of allowing us to present our own, then “allow” me:

Believers in “evolution” hate God. They cannot allow the existence of the Creator to be acknowledged; it causes them to feel guilt in their shallow meaningless lives because of their secular living. Their minds are medieval and weak; instead of just dealing with the disgrace of their life choices they have to inflict their stupid backwards unproven ideas on captive schoolchildren.

They cannot debate their notions because are false, junk science. If they were so sure of their beliefs than they would welcome the debate as a means of affirmation of what they stand for.

And as you all can see, they chose to run and hide instead.

By George

December 21, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

Well so much for illegal immigrants taking the jobs Americans don’t want.

GREELEY - The line of applicants hoping to fill jobs vacated by undocumented workers taken away by immigration agents at the Swift & Co. meat-processing plant earlier this week was out the door Thursday.

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

“Of course those stickers are about religion. You tell me why they are NOT religious in nature?”

I guess Mister Shallow has no idea what Religion is, if he thinks there is anything spiritual about this-

“This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.”

This says to me that “students, don’t just accept what the TV and the agenda ridden demagogues like Al Gore say, think for yourself, research and reach your own conclusions, WHAT EVER THEY MAY BE.”

It’s a message that “Truth”man needed to be told.

You are a product of the mainstream media’s propaganda campaign, when confronted with questions you produce talking points.

It’s all you got, gimpy.

By Think Tank Timmy

December 21, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

Actually, truthman, religion explains creation better than science. How better to say it than, “Let there be light”. It covers every aspect of the quantum rube goldberg machine that created this universe: The possibility that there would be a god who would use the fact that any observation can set an event horizon matrix of self-consciousness in motion. Thus it follows that the universe truly was created when man first observed it along with a god that needs to be observed to exist. The math works here, better than the DNA sequence that we still dont quite git. Drawing a picture of something is not grasping it.

I’m just methin’ wid ja. I only believe in Crystal Light. (cause I believe in me)

By Proud Pinko Liberal

December 21, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

The death toll in Iraq is now 2,956 Merry Christmas from Dubya’s house to yours.

By Goldie

December 21, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

One of my favorite bumper stickers of the past few years:

“Don’t pray in my school, and I won’t think in your church”!

By Proud Pinko Liberal

December 21, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

HL says: “You are a product of the mainstream media’s propaganda campaign, when confronted with questions you produce talking points.”

After saying: “Believers in “evolution” hate God. They cannot allow the existence of the Creator to be acknowledged; it causes them to feel guilt in their shallow meaningless lives because of their secular living. Their minds are medieval and weak; instead of just dealing with the disgrace of their life choices they have to inflict their stupid backwards unproven ideas on captive schoolchildren.”

Those are talking points right out of Limbaugh’s script.

Hypocrite

By Truthman

December 21, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

I don’t hate any god any more than I hate the Tooth Fairie and Santa.

Why does the religious wrong always equate a belief in evolution as some sort of hatred of some god?

I guess, as did Hitler’s National Socialist machine, that’s it’s easier to hate when you demonize others and look at them as lesser than you.

Try a little real love! Or, better yet, go read YOUR bible and the Beatitudes. Then, go live the beatitudes!! You’ll discover that the person called Jesus was quite the liberal…you know, the peacemakers and the meek…those pansy liberals of his time!!

By HumanisticJones

December 21, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

Assertions made and my counters to them:

1)Believers in “evolution” hate God. -Though I cannot speak for all evolution supporters, I my self find it hard to hate an entity that I feel does not exist. It would be as laughable as hating the tooth fairy.

2)They cannot allow the existence of the Creator to be acknowledged; it causes them to feel guilt in their shallow meaningless lives because of their secular living. -I counter that the acknowledgement of the creator does nothing to me personally. I am a decent moral person because I respect life and my fellow humans, not because I feel there is a security camera over my back. I find meaning in my life through the exploration of the universe beyond our tiny Middle-world. I refuse the acknowledgement of a Creator because the assertion of a creator god opens up more problems than is solves (ask me to back this up and I will, though I chose to leave it at this for now for post brevity).

3)Their minds are medieval and weak; -The medieval mind exposed to the open truths of the universe would have shrank back in terror at the revalation of humankind’s smallness in the grand cosmos. As a scientist and an atheist, I find wonder and majesty in the shear largeness of our universe and the challenges it provides fill me with a sense of joy to encounter.

4)instead of just dealing with the disgrace of their life choices they have to inflict their stupid backwards unproven ideas on captive schoolchildren. -Could this not also be said for the religions parents force upon their children. When I was 5, I was said to be a Catholic child. At that age I didn’t know what I believed, and only said I was Christian because my parents told me I was. I was a Child of Catholic parents yes, but to say that I was catholic myself is a wrong assuption. I’ve faced hatred and persecution from family and aquaintances for daring to think differently from the bible that I was taught (trust me to have a family figure damn you to hell for your decision has a profoundly damaging psycological effect on a young person that takes years to reconcile). Is it wrong to teach all our children that through science we can safely question the world, its contents, and our perceptions of them without fear of damnation and hate?

By HumanisticJones

December 21, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

5)They cannot debate their notions because are false, junk science. -Many of us do not debate such issues with creationists for the same reason that they can never accept evolution. The ingrainment of faith into the mind removes the posibility that anything else could be right. Evolution has changed over the years and we gladly accept it (no one believes in Lamarkian evolution anymore). Creationists, however, will never be swayed. Their god is correct and if the evidence doesn’t show that, then the evidence should be thrown away.

6)If they were so sure of their beliefs than they would welcome the debate as a means of affirmation of what they stand for. -As you may eventually notice, I do enjoy being able to reaffirm my point of view. Bring to the table an actual debate, where in we provide case and evidence of our claims, and I’ll take it. Bring to me propaganda and evangelicism and I must, unfortunately send you away. By your own bible, I am an unforgivable person as I have commited the unforgivable sin stated in Mark 3:29: “Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.” I’ll do it again here for good measure. I deny the existance of the Holy Spirit.

By Goldie

December 21, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

Humanistic Liar— you must also be one of those believers of the “facts” found in the Book of Genesis… you know, where it states that the universe was created in 6 days and then God rested on the 7th day. What a comfort that fact-based book must feel to you.

By Clarence Darrow

December 21, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

I probably should have known that 81 years later, fools like Humanistic Liar would still be trying to use whatever means necessary to foist his myths on unsuspecting school children. But his unproved and antiquated beliefs will never, ever again have any domination amongst enlightened men. The words I spoke in 1925 are just as true today:

We have the purpose of preventing bigots and ignoramuses from controlling the education of the United States and you know it—and that is all.

By Truthman

December 21, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

HJ,

Very good! Concise and cogent!!

You and I will always be assailed, but we will never be debated because, as you so succinctly posit, “the ingrainment of faith removes the possibility that anything else could be right.”

It’s nice to see some intelligence on this blog.

Have a very Jerry Christmas and a happy Bob Weir!

By Proud Pinko Liberal

December 21, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

HJ - Very well stated. Here is an article you might find interesting t pretty much sums up my feelings on the whole god issue.

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

Liberals, simply unable to comprehend:

By Humanistic Liar Well, O.K, if we are going to assign arguments to each other instead of allowing us to present our own, then “allow” me:

Which was followed by:

By Proud Pinko Liberal HL says: “You are a product of the mainstream media’s propaganda campaign, when confronted with questions you produce talking points.”`After saying: “Believers in “evolution” hate God.

And:

By Truthman Why does the religious wrong always equate a belief in evolution as some sort of hatred of some god?

How shallow and simple can you be?

I totally understand why they had to censor Cobb County.

It’s all they had for them.

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

By HumanisticJones Assertions made and my counters to them: 1)Believers in “evolution” hate God.

Again, for the tenth time, at the very same place that I started out with these shallow book burners, where does it say God?:

“This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.”

Why do you keep going right back to your talking points?

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

I’m still waiting for proof of evolution.

And waiting.

The book of Genesis offers more proof than you liberals have, hahaha.

What’s the matter, don’t you have any?

By Shawny

December 21, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

“What in the wide, wide world of sports is a goin’ on ‘round here?”

By Truthman

December 21, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

OK, those of us with active gray matter, let’s agree that HL is not in his/her right mind.

Therefore, it is time to cease discussions with him/her and let him/her live in his/her far right and very white fantasy world.

As for my fellow pagans out there. Keep up the fight against the tyranny of the masses!!

By HumanisticJones

December 21, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

Okay, the let me address the exact superficial wording of the sticker. 1)This textbook contains material on evolution. -I have no problem with this. Provable fact. Biology textbooks contain evolutionary material, this is supported by evidence.

2)Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. -This, while technically true, uses connotative comparisons to turn theory into a pejorative word. By making the statement theory!=fact, the tone is set that theories and facts stand at polar opposition. In the context of the scientific community, no Theories are not facts themselves, but are supported by facts. Gravitational THEORY predicts what will happen. The FACT that an apple falls to the ground and doesn’t float off the tree supports the theory. Natural selection THEORY states that organisms will tend towards benificial phenotypical adaptations caused by randomized genetic mutation. The FACT that all phenotypic manifestations can be derived by itirative models of small changes supports this.

3)This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered. -Without the previous connotative pejorativation of the term theory, this would not be a problem to me. However since the tone is set that evolution is not factual in nature, one may as well critically consider it only as much as astrology, bigfoot, feng shui, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. However, Evolution is the only Theory for the origin of the complexity of life that has factual evidence to support it. Thus, by scientific perspective, there is no alternative yet to consider, though others may be conjectured.

If I had to have a sticker, mine may read…

“This textbook contains material on evolution. Though not yet proven to the extent of physical laws, evolutionary theory stands the current best-fit model for the explanation of bio-diversity and complexity. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered as other models may yet be conjectured that could provide better fit predictions to the mechanics of life.”

HL, let me ask you, would you have any problem with that sticker?

By Truthman

December 21, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

More beans, Mr. Taggert?

By Truthman

December 21, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

Personally, I believe the Book of Playboy offers more proof of most excellent evolution than any bible!!

By Proud Pinko Liberal

December 21, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

HJ - Not to be petty or snide but I believe you lost HL in the second paragraph.

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

“Natural selection THEORY states that organisms will tend towards benificial phenotypical adaptations caused by randomized genetic mutation. The FACT that all phenotypic manifestations can be derived by itirative models of small changes supports this.” (4 spelling errors from the scientist, by the way.)

So it should be easy to show this manifesting itself upon a species causing it to change into something entirely different to adapt to it’s environment.

But you haven’t yet.

“OK, those of us with active gray matter, let’s agree that HL is not in his/her right mind.”

Translation: We can’t prove him wrong or us right, so let’s censor him, hahaha.

What idiots.

By Stu Pidashols

December 21, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

“…these shallow book burners…”

Christians don’t burn books. They burn witches, heathens, atheists, heretics and humanists. Or Guns Don’t Kill People, Christians with Match Books Do.

Be a man, Human Liar. Your shallow and pathetic attempts aside, it’s obvious that you’re an industrial strength bible thumper who doesn’t want evolutionary science taught in public schools unchallenged by your quasi-mytholgy. Fortunately, men who are much smarter than you can see through ridiculous assertions that the sticker isn’t about ID, creationism or whatever the fable name of the month is.

Grow some nads and just admit it. It won’t hurt you. You might just gain some credibility and some respect. This charade of yours, that your motivation is something/anything else, is just plain laughable.

And one other thing, liar. Quit prevaricating and saying the ACLU “censored” the stickers. The facts are that a federal judge ruled the stickers unconstitutional. If you can’t find that evidence, I’ll be glad to provide many links for you.

Oh, those pesky courts and that darn US Constitution! Funny, that even though we are a nation of laws and not men, how some ignoramuses tend to despise the law so.

By Truthman

December 21, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

HL, please refer to my 11:30 post where I declared victory!

You are, as are most creationists, more than two hours behind the times.

We won’t censor you, just ignore you!

By HumanisticJones

December 21, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

So it should be easy to show this manifesting itself upon a species causing it to change into something entirely different to adapt to it’s environment.

The point is that there aren’t massive jumping changes. I’ll use the eye, since that’s the most common irreducable complexity argument. The simplest eye in the world today belongs to a protista. It’s noting more than a single light sensing cell. This cell however, allows this mobile plant like creature to seek out and follow light, which allows it to survive better. With very small changes in this, say the addition of more cells, you get greater light reception such as the flat-pane eyes of the planera flat-worm. It isn’t to difficult from there to take a concave curvature to that panel of cells as a simple change, thus allowing a creature like this to be able to determine what direction light is coming from and not just the intensity. Continue curving it until it becomes a hollow ball with a pin hole at the end (like in the Nautilus and other such creatures) and you get intensity, direction, and the ability to finally form an image, blury though it may be. A slow thickening of the membrane over these cells that has been present in all these creatures fills the ball, producing refractory index changes, focusing the image, even if this thickening was just to keep particals out of the new pinhole eye. Minute changes in the density of the cover of the eye, would tend towards the ones that made sight clearer, leading slowly towards the lens of the eye. So on and so forth. Evolution never claimed any large, sweeping, grandurous changes; instead it proposes tiny, unimpressive changes, that may either make things worse or better for the individual, but will tend towards those that make improvments as the possesors of the improvments will be better equiped to deal with their environment and thus will better reproduce. By the previous observations, even “half of an eye” is better than no eye at all when it comes to finding food and escaping predators.

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

Alright, allow me to show everyone just to what extent that these evolution believers are perverts:

[e.g. how did an infallable god make a mistake and create the black man?]).](http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/luckovich/entries/2006/12/20/battle_fatigue.html#comment-891846)

When did I or the Bible, for that matter, ever say that a “black man was a mistake.”

These are thoughts of a secular human nature, thoughts grounded firmly in evolutionary thinking, that humans can be mistakes that need to evolve. It’s what liberals think of rednecks and black people, they see them as subhumans that somehow weren’t perfected with time.

I know that the blooming idiot “Truth”man accidentally shared his thoughts with us but they’re his thoughts none the less.

The Religious view of all humanity, well, let me quote:

“All men were endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable rights.”

“It is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity toward each other.”

“The duties of men are summarily comprised in the Ten Commandments, consisting of two tables; one comprehending the duties which we owe immediately to God-the other, the duties we owe to our fellow men.”

“All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible.”

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

“Be a man, Human Liar. Your shallow and pathetic attempts aside, it’s obvious that you’re an industrial strength bible thumper who doesn’t want evolutionary science taught in public schools unchallenged by your quasi-mytholgy.”

It is the total lack of comprehension, isn’t it?

“This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.”

Honestly, who is the one doing the censoring???????

Do you liberals even have the capacity of normal thought, unperverted?

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

“The point is that there aren’t massive jumping changes. I’ll use the eye, since that’s the most common irreducable complexity argument. The simplest eye in the world today belongs to a protista. It’s noting more than a single light sensing cell.”

Yes and it hasn’t “evolved” in thousands upon thousands of years. By your own premise, every single solitary living creature should be “programmed” to constantly improve itself by adapting but yet the example you give happily remains the same.

Wonder why that is?

By rushncap

December 21, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this

This is not about Christianity, HL, or its relative merits. It’s about the fact that religion cannot be taught in public schools. Creationism is a religious concept. Thus we either teach evolution, or we don’t teach anything at all about origins of life on Earth. Take your pic.

As for your 2:23 comment (since I really don’t have time to shovel through your BS in earlier posts) the protista either don’t need a more complicated eye or they never had a mutation that changed that eye to a more evolutionarily beneficial one.

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

Right back to the beginning, again:

“This is not about Christianity, HL, or its relative merits.”

rushncap: Where, exactly, does this statement say ANYTHING about religion?-

[“This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.”]

And the cop out of calling life “mutant” doesn’t excuse the fact that the lowly protozoa has remained exactly the same for centuries.

And that you can’t show us anything that has “evolved.”

By rushncap

December 21, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

You have evolved, HL. So did every animal you see around you.

The same sticker can be applied to any theory, in any scientific field, as well, from social to physical to engineering sciences. Are you suggesting we have 10 pages worth of disclaimers in every textbook?

By Huge

December 21, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

Hey everyone!

I was in LA for a few days and in all of my travels, from Ventura to Hollywood to Anaheim, I didn’t see one of those obnoxious W stickers that these remaining defiant mopes around here so love. Nary a one! You gotta love it!

rushncap et al,

This entire “debate” with HL reminds me of a very similar one with RW a few weeks ago. These guys are all pretty much the same.

Scientific evidence and historical FACTS are presented and in reply is nothing more than circular and utterly irrational goofiness, lies and spin. Cloaked in mysticism that they won’t even admit to. Pathetic.

Good luck with all of that.

I see while I was gone, RW and @@ only show up for an occassional whiney drive by. Is RW still being a real man and doing it around 7PM? And it looks like Dusty has taken up lil Andy’s former role of baying at the moon and hissing at every non neo-con in sight.

She’s a real patriot, that one.

It sure is nice knowing that that disgusting creep, andykins, is gonzo. I don’t miss one iota his endless cutting and pasting, his mindless neo-con drivel or his bigotry and hatred for everything he couldn’t understand.

As far as the cartoon, who cares much about some NBA thugs. Good sportsmanship is not really valued that much by a sizeable percentage of the participants in pro sports anymore. Kind of sad…

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

“You have evolved, HL. So did every animal you see around you.”

rushncap: I’m not going to parse with you over details, you may be correct with your assertions, but I am going to add one of my own-

If we did in fact “evolve,” and I have my doubts about that, it was from a being that was CREATED.

You cannot deny that fact.

By rushncap

December 21, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

I like how you conveniently avoided the “10 pages of disclaimers” statement of mine. Shows what a nice little coward you are, HL.

And yes, I can, and do, deny that we evolved from a being that was created. CAPS don’t make your statement any more true. However, it’s also irrelevant. Evolution does not take a position on how the first organism came into being. Be it natural self-organization, divine creation, alien contamination… not all that relevant. Evolution states that we all evolved from the first organisms. Since we don’t yet know how those came into being, you’re free to believe what you want.

Huge, hope you had fun in Cali. I’m assuming, by the fact that you didn’t see any W stickers, that you didn’t go far enough south to hit the OC.

By Huge

December 21, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

“If we did in fact “evolve,” and I have my doubts about that, it was from a being that was CREATED.

You cannot deny that fact.”

That last word is thrown around so cavalierly and clumsily these days, that I decided to post the first four definitions of the word:

something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.

something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.

a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.

something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.

It seems to me that the first three definitions clearly don’t apply to the usage used by HL. But the fourth one?

An infinitely smarter choice of words is EXISTED instead of was created. And my beliefs instead of fact. To say that we were created and that has been verified and is undisputable is nonsense. Is that what your claiming, HL?

For the life of me, I just don’t see how some people expect others to merely condone, without consequences, non-truths to be cited as truth. For my part, it will never happen as long as I have breath in my lungs…

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

“I like how you conveniently avoided the “10 pages of disclaimers” statement of mine. Shows what a nice little coward you are, HL.”

It’s pointless to the discussion, rushncap, a distraction. It adds nothing and I so chose to treat it as such.

“Be it natural self-organization, divine creation, alien contamination… not all that relevant.”

Self organization from what?

Who created the aliens, hahaha?

Now we’re on to something with this “divine creation.”

I tend to totally disagree that it is “not relevant.” It’s the whole entire subject matter. In fact, if “evolution” really exists within the Creation, then it should be called “Creationism,” hahaha.

“Since we don’t yet know how those came into being, you’re free to believe what you want.”

Sums up your argument for evolution to a T.

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

“You cannot deny that fact.” That last word is thrown around so cavalierly and clumsily these days, that I decided to post the first four definitions of the word: something that actually exists”

Are you saying you don’t exist??

You exist, homey, whether you like it or not. And to get to the state of existence you had to be created, it doesn’t matter what you think about that either, it’s a fact.

You can believe that you were some cosmic cartoon show that came to life, it matters not, Something created the cartoon.

And if you want to bet against the Almighty’s stake in this, that’s your decision to make.

And shoving your perversion down the throats of our children is another decision you will answer for.

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

Huge lying jacka$$,

The last time you made that accusation about the around 7:00 thing it was me responding to your 6:59 post. When the hell did you want me to respond jerk?

By George

December 21, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

I think “Battle fatigue” applies to the posts from Humanistic Liar. What a loser!

By N-GA

December 21, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

Well @@,

You are a LIAR. You posted: “You know N-GA mike. He/she’s the poster (your fan) who has SEEN, SMELLED, and TASTED combat. He/she mentions it all too often.”

Now then you gutless wonder, please cite any post where I made any of the above claims. Of course you cannot.

You represent everything that is wrong with the USA today. I liar who hides behind your claim to believe in Jesus Christ. What a hypocrite. Not to worry…He has a special place for you to reside for all eternity.

I don’t need to beat you down in a debate…you beat yourself by uttering lies with no way to prove them!

Actually @@…your need to bring me up without provocation would indicate that you are either a pathetic stalker or you are Lying Andy (the Bed Wetter). i suspect you are both.

By Thomas

December 21, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

1) Why was this sticker placed on the books in the first place? Simple - it was to dispute evolution. The obvious alternative thought is creationism/intelligent design. Thus if the reasoning for placing the stickers on science text-books was to open up the option of Creationism or Intelligent design in a public school, then you have directly violated constitutional rights by introducing government sanctioned religeon.

2) Theory! Besides evolution, there are many “Scientific” theories. Electricity is a theory, Gravity is a theory, and I could go on and on into atomic theory, quantum theory, etc. The attempt of these stickers was to mislead and mis-inform the reasoning of evolution itself, by muddying the issue by stating theory as if that had no scientific factual basis.

3) I sincerly doubt that anyone would really want to put god under the microscope. I mean do we really want to pick apart god in a science class. If we do I feel that due to the only scientific evidence that can ever be presented, will come to the conclusion that god doesn’t exist.

Keep god in church, not a science class where only provable facts should be used.

And definitly keep church and state seperate as this was the clear intent by our founding fathers the very day that they denied that motion for a prayer to be said when they sanctioned the first congress. It is not only a matter of principle, but it is a matter of fair and equal justice for all people under the constitution of the United States. And this includes “Freedom of religeon”!

Thomas

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

“1) Why was this sticker placed on the books in the first place? Simple - it was to dispute evolution. The obvious alternative thought is creationism/intelligent design.”

And how do you know this?

I think it was placed there because evolution is such an unprovable joke, it isn’t like we’ve had thousands of words today and I’m still waiting for proof of it.

By the way, Thomas, just because you are convinced of it and say it doesn’t make it true.

Matter of fact, I’ll bet your one of those people that you can consistently bet on the exact opposite of what you say being true.

You think way to much of yourself to learn anything.

By getalife

December 21, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

Wingnuts are always wrong

Will RW apologize?

Don’t bet on it?

By Robert

December 21, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this

This Dusty worm has been a fixture on this blog since itopened. I thought it was a he. Now you tell me it’s a she. I would bet it’s a…shim. Another mind-challenged, Bush-adoring wonder. Speaks of “troops” without know what one is or does or is supposed to do. Everyone is a “hero” to this geek and his blind fellow traveling morons. He/they are nothing more or less than terrorists - without the guts. They have desecrated the word “patriot” into something that makes one wish to vomit. He/she/it shall use the word “anti-American” one day and get a broken face for it. “Bush is a “good word”…”around (his) house”? What house would that be? These cowardly neocons are filled to the brim with the Wrong Stuff.

By Think Tank Timmy

December 21, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this

It’s not a question of proving evolution. The issue is whether dna mutates. I rest my case on evolution.

After reading the evolution debate on this blog today, I think it’s high time our government take another hard look at allowing doctors to use foreceps when birthin’ babies. The damage is permanent and complete. And I think it’s a damn shame.

Blog-simples need not apply. (BSNNA)

By Glenn

December 21, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

N-GA: That’s good and proper stuff. Sure are a lotta new names here these days that sound exactly like some of our old would-be Nazis. Their hatred and bitterness and ignorance are unmistakable and never ending.

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

getalife,

What exactly am I supposed to apologize for? Back when you and Mothra were proclaiming their guilt before any charges had been filed I said you were wrong to do that. They are still only charged and will stand trial. As is always my position with anyone, if they are found guilty they should (and will) pay the price.

That they have now been charged does not make it right for Mothra to declare that they were cold blooded killers before the investigation had even really started.

By getalife

December 21, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

RW,

Mr. Murtha exposed the cover up before the Iraqis did.

He saved face for our country. Well, what is left of it anyway.

Man up and apologize.

By Thomas

December 21, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

Humanistic Liar —

You are just that, a liar. You cannot speak truth and admit that the stickers were for the purpose of disputing evolution in favor of creationism. To the best of my knowledge there has never been any other side to this argument unless you count aliens genetically engineered mankind.

Scientist will eventually prove evolution as a scientific law. This is the way scientific theory works. You examine it until you prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt unlike religeon. The theory of evolution was originally based on provable and known facts, and we make new discoveries in science every day that supports this theory. So yes there is evidence to support this theory.

Now just what is your proof or evidence that supports your statements to me? I see musings and ramblings, and speculations stated by you. Of course none of which is backed by any hard evidence.

“I think”, “I’ll Bet”, etc! Your words have no provable merit at all when you start your sentences that way.

Do I learn - yes I do every single day, do I have faith in god! Yes actually I do. Are these things diametrically opposed in my life? No they are not. Evolution, and all the other wonders of the world can easily be Gods handiwork.

But do I think religeon has a place in the public schools or classrooms, or within out enlightened free government? No! I like our founding fathers of this country am well aware of the need to seperate church and state. Religeon is man’s doings not GODS! And we have a government for all!

The stickers were a violation of constitutional rights and it was right to have them removed. End of argument!

Thomas

By Thomas

December 21, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

-=-

Food for thinking men!

“The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning. And ever since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality, is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your eyes and hand, and fly into your face and eyes.” John Adams - letter to John Taylor

“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.” Thomas Jefferson - letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT “The Complete Jefferson” by Saul K. Padover, pp 518-519

-=-

By Thomas

December 21, 2006 06:13 PM | Link to this

New discovery reported today

Hey Liar! I suggest you stick your head in the sand so you don’t see it! After all I wouldn’t want you to learn anything new that may unsettle your narrow minded thinking and unwavering dogma’.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16314272/

See - something new every day!

Laters everyone - I’m offline for the day..

Merry Christmas! Joy to the world, and Peace to all mankind!

Thomas

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 06:14 PM | Link to this

“Scientist will eventually prove evolution as a scientific law.”

Thomas: When do you reckon they’ll start?

“Evolution, and all the other wonders of the world can easily be Gods handiwork.”

That’s the basis for the theory of Creationism, genius.

Still waiting on that proof.

By bon scott

December 21, 2006 06:22 PM | Link to this

Midori tells me tat Andy’s been given the heave ho! Yeah, I uess I’m the last to know, but it doesn’t make it any less pleasurable. No more Danish, either?? Sigh. She could have a wit about her. Not very often, but…

And RW, you seem to have given up the fight! Still having that November hangover? So are people in the totally discredited and disgusting Bush administration:

Rice calls Iraq worth the investment and says U.S. can win

Just goes to show you that you can’t teach an old dog new tricks. Or even the concept of a new approach. Einstiens definition of insanity and all.

Too bad this consulting crap takes up so much of my time. Hail to the competent liberals here. To the waning number of clueless neocons…. aologize gracefully! heehee

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

finch,

Thanks for asking.

No.

By Thomas

December 21, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

-=-

Oh please Liar!

That is not the basis of Creationism, Creationism denies evolution in any form.

Furthermore - Creationism is not science and has no place in a scientific arena - especially a science class.

Scientist are busy at work every day proving evidence worldwide that supports evolution. But they are scientist and they prove their evidence independently (not trying to make it fit any particular theory). All this evidence must stand on it’s own merit. That is how science research works. That is how theories are finally proven beyond a shadow of a doubt!

But here yah go! Here is this years best works. Go to page two in this article, and read about the fish that walked. Read about how animals not only diverge in genetic evolution, but also merge together as “hybrids in the wild” also creating new species.

My favorite is “Split Happens”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16305185/

You wish to learn? Then do so! But your on your own! I’m outta here for the day!

Thomas

By One Voice

December 21, 2006 06:35 PM | Link to this

Andy.. er.. Humanistic Liar,

All you need is a college freshman biology book to see some proof of evolution. Your ignorance of that fact indicates you didn’t even make it that far in education. Would you be a brainwashed, fundamentalist “home-schooled” high school dropout maybe? Why don’t you give us some proof of god? I know why- because there is none and he doesn’t exist. There’s far more evidence that would suggest there is no such thing as god. So do provide us with some evidence, some proof of your god.

By One Voice

December 21, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

bon scott,

Yes, Bi Granny and RW have run away. After the Democrats won in a virtual revolution, they cut and ran. It was already getting too difficult for them to rationalize the endless failures of the administration, but when even w began to look for a way to accept the fact that he made a terrible mistake (without admitting fault), it became impossible for them to defend their ridiculous beliefs any more. And away they went, losers in every sense of the word.

As for Andy, I don’t know the whole story, but he still shows up a few times a day. I have a feeling Humanistic Liar is him, as well as TommyT, who has popped up spouting Andyesque bullsh!t and claims he can’t enlist because he’s 72. Andy always had some excuse. If you look back at the last couple comments at the end of each night you’ll see how Andy pops in to say how boring ML’s is now that he’s gone. I must admit, it’s a bit less amusing without the main jester and his gaggle of clowns to laugh at while you pummel them with a mixture of insults and logic. Part of the allure was that we got the chance to mock the most extreme, asinine pseudo-terrorists of American society. I guess all good things come to an end.

By RE

December 21, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

Liar,

Just for clarifaction:

Before accepting evolution, which is a theory developed over many years through scientific exploration numerous examples of changes in a species without indisputable proof, which I guess means watching a fish turn into a frog.

But you accept the idea of a omnipotent, omnipresent sky god based upon the writing of a tribe of bronze age nomads.

a few questions for you:

when night falls, is it because god through a blanket over earth, the stars being the holes in the blanket?

when the sun rises, is that actually god riding his chariot accross the sky?

Is thunder really god bowling?

By One Voice

December 21, 2006 06:51 PM | Link to this

Honu,

Have you done your homework yet? I gave you a reading assignment weeks ago, and it was only 100 pages long. I guess that’s too much for our lovable bimbo to handle. You keep saying you’re going to show up and tell me off about how I’ll burn for eternity or something, and I’m waiting. Tell us about some of the other fabrications you still believe.

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2006 06:51 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

That’s a good one. When you can’t find any evidence of a species becoming a different species you just do some cross breeding in Dr. Frankenstein’s lab and voila! instant proof.

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 06:52 PM | Link to this

One would rightly expect to see proof of “evolution” coming from respectable journals such as Scientific America, PNAS or Nature but, sure enough, here comes Thomas with an story from PMSNBC.

Not only does he further deep six the “theory of evolution” with his agenda driven fabrication, he proves without a doubt my theory of Thomas the Pompous Know Nothing.

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

“Andy.. er.. Humanistic Liar,”

For someone who got booted and hasn’t posted in quite sometime, this Andy sure does have you liberals awfully paranoid.

He must have really kicked your a*******es.

“All you need is a college freshman biology book to see some proof of evolution.”

Well, then you won’t mind showing me, will you?

Let me guess, you got some illustrations of apes hunched over turning into upright apes, right?

Do those drawings fascinate you?

By Dusty

December 21, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

“Waning number of clueless neocons” on this blog. That’s a good one. There’s also a waning number of liberals. A waning number of EVERYBODY.

The subject and the cartoon are dull and so are liberals when they have no conservatives to trash (and they keep asking about them).

But do not worry, liberals. Luckovich will see the light of extinction and throw in a Bush number for the weekend. Then you can have a merry ol’ time cussin’ and discussin’ conservatives.

The subject today was NBA which was never mentioned.

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

OV,

When you made your chickensh!t post to Honu at 7:13 the other night, she left you a response the next morning.

By One Voice

December 21, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

I was always amused how the parents who advocated the anti-evolution stickers in Cobb showed a fundamental lack of understanding of science in their argument. They would say, “This is America! We should do it the democratic way and vote on what we want our kids to learn, and whatever we vote on is what should be taught in science class!” Well, these idiots unfortunately failed to grasp that science has nothing at all to do with opinion. They could all take a furry dog and vote on whether it was a male or a female and even if 100% of them voted that it was a female, it would not make it a female if it wasn’t. It is what it is, which is what science is about- finding chemical, biological, physical truths, regardless of opinion. And we wonder why the U.S. is not training enough new doctors, scientists, and inventors. Too many of the religious yahoos have essentially sapped the nation of its progressive intellect and caused us to regress to the Dark Ages while the rest of the world moves forward. Truly pathetic.

By One Voice

December 21, 2006 07:10 PM | Link to this

RE,

Here’s an exchange you will find amusing. A while back I trapped RW in all his ignorance regarding evolution. He apparently believes that whole and complete species pop into existence out of sheer nothingness from time to time, purely through magic. Read the humorous exchange below between myself and RW:

By One of the Majority’s Voices of Dissent October 6, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this RW, What do you think about the pliosaur recently unearthed in Oslo? I guess you think that that specimen and the other dinosaurs preyed on the humans that were running around during that time, since you subscribe to the Flintstones version of history. Either that or god beamed down different species at different times wholly complete and never to change. So which is it, that homo sapiens, and homo erectus, and birds, and dinosaurs, etc. all roamed around together since the beginning of time (which we have mountains of evidence against), or that god zapped a new species of animal into existence at varying intervals throughout time (the delusional view)? Or was it that Satan planted the fossils to deceive man and test his faith (probably Idiot Andy’s version)? Do impart your immense wisdom upon us, oh great thinking one.

By RW-(the original) October 6, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this OotMVoD, Are you telling us we evolved from lizards in Oslo now? I’m sure you have some proof of that you would like to share.

By One of the Majority’s Voices of Dissent October 6, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this RW, Simple question. I’m asking which version you subscribe to: 1) that all the species who have ever walked the earth began at the same time and humans and dinosaurs were here together, 2) that somehow complete species just popped into existence at different times, or 3) that fossils were placed here by Satan to test mankind’s faith. For some reason I have a feeling I won’t get an answer, but if you have another alternative go ahead and suggest it.

By RW-(the original) October 6, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this OotMVoD, I would come closer to option 2 than either of your other options. The fossil record comes much closer to your option 2 as well.

By One of the Majority’s Voices of Dissent October 6, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this RW, Okay, so you think it is more reasonable and logical to think that a species pops into being out of sheer nothingness, that out of thin air a complete animal just appears, t

By RW-(the original)

December 21, 2006 07:12 PM | Link to this

Anyone that thinks the United States has regressed to the dark ages while the rest of the world has passed us by truly is pathetic. Good call on yourself Oot.

By Humanistic Liar

December 21, 2006 07:13 PM | Link to this

Just a reminder of what the liberals find so offensive:

“This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.”

Open discussion of the issues causes a lib much despair, as you can see^^.

By LuckoDull

December 21, 2006 07:13 PM | Link to this

So what wild and crazy thing are you going to tackle tomorrow, Mikey?

Will we have the pig Rosey scratching the Donald’s eyes out or some such mindless waste?

How about showing us your “moderate” “centrist” roots and draw us Sandy Berger with his pants full of evidence of Clinton’s failures that led to 9/11.

Now that would be a hoot.

You could call yourself “unbiased,” hahahaha.

And I wouldn’t be so freaking drowsy.

Nah, I’m dreaming again.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

By One Voice

December 21, 2006 07:13 PM | Link to this

I’m not sure if the last post went through, so here goes again:

RE,

Here’s an exchange you will find amusing. A while back I trapped RW in all his ignorance regarding evolution. He apparently believes that whole and complete species pop into existence out of sheer nothingness from time to time, purely through magic. Read the humorous exchange below between myself and RW:

By One of the Majority’s Voices of Dissent October 6, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this RW, What do you think about the pliosaur recently unearthed in Oslo? I guess you think that that specimen and the other dinosaurs preyed on the humans that were running around during that time, since you subscribe to the Flintstones version of history. Either that or god beamed down different species at different times wholly complete and never to change. So which is it, that homo sapiens, and homo erectus, and birds, and dinosaurs, etc. all roamed around together since the beginning of time (which we have mountains of evidence against), or that god zapped a new species of animal into existence at varying intervals throughout time (the delusional view)? Or was it that Satan planted the fossils to deceive man and test his faith (probably Idiot Andy’s version)? Do impart your immense wisdom upon us, oh great thinking one.

By RW-(the original) October 6, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this OotMVoD, Are you telling us we evolved from lizards in Oslo now? I’m sure you have some proof of that you would like to share.

By One of the Majority’s Voices of Dissent October 6, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this RW, Simple question. I’m asking which version you subscribe to: 1) that all the species who have ever walked the earth began at the same time and humans and dinosaurs were here together, 2) that somehow complete species just popped into existence at different times, or 3) that fossils were placed here by Satan to test mankind’s faith. For some reason I have a feeling I won’t get an answer, but if you have another alternative go ahead and suggest it.

By RW-(the original) October 6, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this OotMVoD, I would come closer to option 2 than either of your other options. The fossil record comes much closer to your option 2 as well.

By One of the Majority’s Voices of Dissent October 6, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this RW, Okay, so you think it is more reasonable and logical to think that a species pops into being ou

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December 21, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

No Andy, I’m not going to link to a college science book. You’ll have to apply and be accepted to receive an education.