Mike Luckovich

By I Voted for the War But I'm Too Poofy To Fight

December 4, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

And too cowardly, too, of course.

Go long and hard - you’ll be a man I can love…

By Diogenes

December 4, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

Mike,

Good cartoon with enough satiric bite towards the Iraq Study Group’s wimpy rumored report to the President to get the reader’s attention.

Unfortunately, after you had sent this cartoon to press, Rumsfeld’s memo was released. The cartoon loses some of its bite in view of that memo. The question now is how closely the Iraq Study Group’s recommendations will parallel Rumsfeld’s. Every one else (remember Colin Powell?) has come to the conclusion that changes need to make in our approach to Bush’s War, except Bush himself. The only suspense at this moment is how long it will take Bush to reject the Group’s report with some lame comment about “staying the course” no matter how hopeless the situation has become. Is it possible for the public’s confidence rating to fall to zero? How fast do you think it will happen after he rejects the report? Does it make any difference to one with such an overweening ego? Only Laura and his dog support him now, and Laura’s wavering. Good job, Mike.

By getalife

December 4, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

Great toon Mike.

Check out this classic by Jim Wooten:

“The Iraq Study Group — the graybeards who think deep thoughts on what to do about Iraq — are expected to recommend a gradual pullback of troops, with no timetable. Hope taxpayers paid for no expensive dinners; we could have gotten that from the breakfast club at McDonald’s. The generals are opposed. But the good news of the week is that George — you gotta love him — Bush firmly opposes premature departure and timetables. He’s the guy I want in my foxhole.”

Thought you might get a kick out of that crap.

w will not listen, he will send more troops.

The only solution to Iraq is impeachment of w and Cheney.

President Pelosi will get them out of there.

By RE

December 4, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Rumsfeld is out

Bolton is out

There is no plan for Iraq

The GOP controled the Congess and whitehouse and ran every aspect of the war, the republicans have lost Iraq.

Is there any aspect of this administration that is not a failure?

By Lord Help Us

December 4, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

RE, the Bush administration has been succesful at a couple things…

For instance, they have successfully placed the burden on the Democrats to make the hard decisions (you know, govern…) on the budget. Our economy has done well over the last six years thanks to home prices and our own gov’t spending money like sailors on shore leave.

Unfortunately, the job of balancing the budget will now fall squarely on the shoulders of the Democratic Congress and Bush’s successor.

The result will be that the American people will FINALLY learn the price in dollars of the Bush administrations’ incompetence.

Also, the Bush administration has successfully handed off the catastrophe it caused in Iraq, the deterioration in the rest of the middle east, and the results of anti-american govt’s gaining power thorughout the world (ie. Venezuela, Nicaragua, Spain, etc.)

Now the GOP can sit back and nit-pick the Democrats for how they manage the disasters created over the last six years.

It’s actually probably an accurate metaphor for Bush’s life…screw up everything completely and then have someone handy to clean up after…

By Political Foreskin

December 4, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

The Iraqi study group is moot.

We can NEVER LEAVE Iraq. The consequences of leaving, are worse than staying, and the consequences of staying will destroy us.

Welcome our 51st state: Iraqia.

There is no possible logistical, strategic, or ideological withdrawal from Iraq. None. We simply are trapped there forever. Fact. Jack.

Think about it. How can we exit? There’s no way. We have to stay now, and let it destroy us, or leave, and let the consequences destroy us.

W did this all by himself. He will go down in history as the biggest criminal in what’s left of america.

By Political Foreskin

December 4, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

Iraqia: our 51st state.

Baker’s Group, Rumsfeld’s rants, and Bush’s temerity, are moot.

We are trapped forever in Iraq. The reasons are obvious. Leaving would allow Turkey to destroy Kurdistan, Syria to invade western Iraqia, and Iran to invade Eastern Iraqia.

Staying will involve us in the certain exchange of WMDs that will inevitably befall the region.

We are trapped. No exit possible. Fact.

Jack.

By Dusty

December 4, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Well, yes, RE, I can mention some positive aspects of this administration.

Our mainland has not been attacked since 9/11.

The Taliban is not governing Afghanistan.

Our taxes are lower.

Iraq has a central government and a constitution and no dictator.

Seniors have a prescription drug plan.

These accomplishments are not perfect, but think about Democratic administrations before you start criticizing so-called Republican “failures”.

In case you forgot, Americans usually support Americans, not our enemies.

By Political Foreskin

December 4, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

Iraq….Iraq….Iraq: We cannot escape history. We will be engulfed in spite of ourselves. No turn in the events now unfolding can spare one or another of us. The fiery trial through which we pass will mark us in dishonor to the latest generation.

The truth is that we could never have cut and run, or stay the course, because we knew not where that bearing would bring us, for it is in the chaos of probable destinations for which we jostle and turn, that will uppend our intentions which pave the avenues of eternity upon which we tread.

WOW, did I write that? I think I said we cant leave iraq ever. We are stuck. think about it and you have to agree, and I was the first one in the world to realize it.

Word.

By Political Foreskin

December 4, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

After reading Dusty’s hacked comment (from rush), I think it’s high time that our government took another hard look at allowing doctors to use forceps while birthin’ babies.

the damage is obviously complete and permanent, and I think it’s a damn shame.

Paris Hilton just said on CNN that the flashing episode was a misunderstanding where she was teaching her little dog new tricks, but Brittany thought she was talking to her, and obeyed the commands to sit, rollover, and beg. wow. cool. I like it, Lady!

LADY!!

By Political Foreskin

December 4, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

Dusty: Sit…rollover…..BEG!

By RE

December 4, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Lowering taxes is not a very hard thing to do. The hard part is finding the spending cuts to coincide with tax cuts to make it viable. Instead we have pushed off these costs into the national debt. Same goes for the medicare plan, a good idea but unfunded.

Iraq has a constitution and a central government, one that will fall whenever we leave and devlove into chaos. For 300 billion, I would rather have kept Sadam on a short leash than have the entire middle east about to erupt. The only country that has come out ahead in all this so far has been Iran.

The Taliban being out of power is a very good thing, and if we had not gone into iraq alienating just about every country in the world, the taliban might have stayed out of power. Instead we were more interested in pushing away potential allies. Iran was an ALLY when we went into afghanistan. Then Bush made his little speech about an axis of evil, and they elected a hardline antiamerican as president.

I am trying to think of any Dem president to have this much failure, but I cannot think of one. Carter had a mess financially and didn’t handle the hostage crisis well, but did broker a peace deal between Israel and Egypt that has held without incident for 25 years.

LBJ stayed in Vietnam fo far too long, but made great strides in civil rights and domestic issues.

Bush has no upside that I can see

By Lord Help Us

December 4, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

S L O W Softball…right over the plate…Outta here…

According to Crusty:

Our mainland has not been attacked since 9/11. - Our mainland was not attacked between the WTC (93) and 9/11/01, but I don’t see you congratulating Bill Clinton. Also, in the meantime, we have lost as many troops in Iraq as we lost citizens on 9/11, our forces in Iraq are attacked literally hundreds of times EVERY DAY, and we consider a civil war in Iraq as OUR central front in the ‘War on Terror!’

The Taliban is not governing Afghanistan. - No, but Osama is MIA, Omar is MIA, Zawahiri is MIA, the Taliban are growing stronger and Pakistan (our allies?) is harboring Al Qaeda.

Our taxes are lower. - and Bush has set record deficits and added about $3 TRILLION to our national debt - congratulations.

Iraq has a central government and a constitution and no dictator. - Do you REALLY want to count IRAQ as a Bush Administration SUCCESS?

Seniors have a prescription drug plan. - You got one…Congratulations!

Dusty, would you like me to list Clinton’s accomplishments so you can compare?

By RW-(the original)

December 4, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

LHU,

I’ll play, but it will have to be later. Just leave that list of Clinton accomplishments.

By Dusty

December 4, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

RE & Lord Help U,

I’ll give you some thoughts if you will throw a dog biscuit to your liberal spokesman, PoFo. No pets allowed.

Tax cuts are easy. Yes! But we never got them until Bush gave them to us.

9/11 was our first mainland attack by terrorists and Bush did something about it. (Not bomb an empty camp in Afghanistan or a medicine plant in Sudan.)

Osama is living (or dead) in a mountain cave. He is not having a military parade down NYC broadway.

Iraq is a wartime entanglement which the Iraqis will get straight with our help. Rome wasn’t built in a day and neither will Iraq be rebuilt quickly, but it won’t be done by a dictator.

If your grandpa doesn’t like the Prescription Drug Plan, maybe you can go over and pay his prescription bills for him.

And nevermind listing Clinton’s “accomplishments”. We already know them and the tabloids are still talking about them.

By Midori

December 4, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

LHU,

You realize, of course, that RW’s “playing” will consist of attacking subject-verb agreement, inappropriate font size and spelling errors don’t you?

By RE

December 4, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

Dusty, how much money did you save through the tax cuts?

By RE

December 4, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

Oh I forgot to add in the fact that North Korea is now a nuclear power, and that much of south and central america is electing anti-US pro socialist governments.

Not really a good thing

By Lord Help Us

December 4, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

Here is a start RW-(the obfuscator)…Read ‘em and weep…

Longest economic expansion in American history

More than 22 million new jobs

Highest homeownership in American history

Lowest unemployment in 30 years

Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill

Connected 95 percent of schools to the Internet

Lowest crime rate in 26 years

Enacted most sweeping gun safety legislation in a generation

Family and Medical Leave Act for 20 million Americans

Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years

Higher incomes at all levels

Lowest poverty rate in 20 years

Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years

Lowest infant mortality rate in American history

Deactivated more than 1,700 nuclear warheads from the former Soviet Union

Protected millions of acres of American land

Paid off $360 billion of the national debt

Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the largest surplus

Lowest government spending in three decades

Lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years

By Will Jones

December 4, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

Please go to www.911truth.org if you are not yet up-to-speed on just who attacked America on 9/11/01.

Here is another easy start to the science proving the Bush faction - the same Tories we kicked out in 1776: who funded Hitler (Prescott Bush viz. Rockefeller and Rome), who killed JFK (GHWBush/CIA) to keep us in Rome’s Vietnam, and assassinated MKK http://youtube.com/viewplaylist?p=2AFEEBF0C352AA2C

The only real question to address is whether Nancy Pelosi and other Mafia-connected Roman Catholics in Congress will break from their Fifth Column bi-partisan false-elite backers to bring to justice the traitors who committed 9/11 to put us into false war for Rockefeller/Roman Catholic BIG OIL and Afghan heroin; or will they smarmily continue the Walsh IranContra/Fitzgerald Mueller coverup mode to minimally mollify the outraged electorate while keeping their false-elite fascist plutocrat masters in blood money.

Read Jim Webb on “Class Struggle” to know why Georges Bush and Will need to marginalize him: http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009246

Death for Treason or America is Doomed

By @@

December 4, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

The Democrats standing in the way of Bolton’s confirmation will be another one of their mistakes already made, and those yet to come.

Look at those countries that supported him, and then look at who didn’t.

Democrats crapped in their Kofi I guess.

Oh well. Drink up.

By getalife

December 4, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

RW responds:

Clenis.

Clenis.

Clenis.

w is hated in the world.

Clinton is loved in the world.

By getalife

December 4, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

@@,

It was some of your party blocking Bolton.

Watch him become unhinged here

Not a diplomat.

Did you buy this disgusting calendar?

I use Mr. August on my dartboard.

By Dusty

December 4, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

RE,

My tax cuts were great. Added to the mistake my stock broker made in the previous year, it was wonderful. Did you have to pay any taxes?

Oh and North Korea and atomic power. Did you forget that Clinton gave them the stuff to do it with!!Ha!! Yeah, energy source kindness of Clinton. I remember.

By Rogue

December 4, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

Luckovich caters to you weak, ignorant, leftist freaks. I would not wipe my arse with the AJC. If they even post this I would be surprised.

By @@

December 4, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

I didn’t go to your first link. I don’t want to put a face on Foreskin. I think I’ve told him as much.

The calendar? Put me on July and September, and then squeeeeeeezze.

By Dusty

December 4, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

Lord Help Us,

Sorry you went to all that trouble listing Clinton’s goodies.

It is very sad and reprehensible, but Clinton is almost always remembered for his sexual activities in the White House office and his day in court over lies under oath.

I know you want to forget it but that is the way it is, whether you like it or not.

By Peter

December 4, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

Will - as much as I believe the administration used 9/11 to implement the Wolfowitz (Cheney) Doctrine of 1991, to maintain U.S. world dominance … imagining these clowns orchestrated the destruction of WTC and Pentagon is as misguided as those who fabricate connections between Saddam Hussein and 9/11. (It’s the same myopic intellectual stupidity.) You lose considerable authority with that objective.

By RW-(the original)

December 4, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

LHU,

I thought you were serious, I should have known you were just going to write a parody list. You jokester you.

On the off chance you were serious, most of those things you can also credit President Bush with so how about some evidence that anything you said is true and why it’s Billy Jeff that gets all the credit.

By Jenn

December 4, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

Things were “good” during the Clinton administration because of our Republican Congress and Greenspan. Geez…

By RE

December 4, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

Jenn, how did they turn so bad when he left then, same greenspan, same GOP congress?

By Midori

December 4, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

It’s sad and reprehensible, but Bush will almost always be remembered for the Iraq debacle, the hatred the rest of the world feels towards America, looting the U.S. Treasury, outsourcing our future to China, his two slut drunken daughters, going AWOL from his TANG unit in order to escape a urine test, bankrupting every single company he has run, trading Sammy Sosa, appointing the most brain dead criminals he could find to guard against regulating American consumer’s interests, and being the biggest pansy on earth that he couldn’t testify before the 9/11 Commission without Dick Cheney there to hold his hand and wipe his backside.

We won’t know his testimony under oath will be until the new Congress finishes investigating his sorry butt.

I know you want to forget it but that is the way it is, whether you like it or not.

By Midori

December 4, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

It’s sad and reprehensible, but Bush will almost always be remembered for the Iraq debacle, the hatred the rest of the world feels towards America, looting the U.S. Treasury, outsourcing our future to China, his two slut drunken daughters, going AWOL from his TANG unit in order to escape a urine test, bankrupting every single company he has run, trading Sammy Sosa, appointing the most brain dead criminals he could find to guard against regulating American consumer’s interests, and being the biggest pansy on earth that he couldn’t testify before the 9/11 Commission without Dick Cheney there to hold his hand and wipe his backside.

We won’t know his testimony under oath will be until the new Congress finishes investigating his sorry butt.

I know you want to forget it but that is the way it is, whether you like it or not.

By Midori

December 4, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

before the blog police come out in force: it was so nice, I had to say it twice.

that and for some reason the page double posted my response.

By Randy

December 4, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

Ah hell Jim, the social engineering liberals won’t be happy until we all succumb to the in-your-face race baiting.

Then we’ll all be in black face and subject to vote demonscat.

Ridiculous.

By Republican Tax Cut Junkies

December 4, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

Republicans only look for a “tax cut” instead of a secure, vibrant, and healthy economy, free from onerous debt. It’s ok if Republicans ship your job overseas or use “guest workers” to negotiate a lower salary or yearly raise for you as long as they say they’re giving you a tax cut.

Republicans are like welfare junkies, they’ll sell our economy down the river, negotiate American jobs into mediocrity, and bankrupt us all as long as they think they are gettin a “tax-cut”.

Ya’ll can keep your “tax-cut”, I’ll take a secure, vibrant, and healthy economy encompassing a lower national debt ANY day over the Republican “hide the spending” gamesmanship ! ! !

The Outstanding Public Debt as of 04 Dec 2006 at 07:59:25 PM GMT is: $8,641,900,505,314.01.

The estimated population of the United States is 300,385,544 so each citizen’s share of this debt is $28,769.36.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $2.04 billion per day since September 29, 2006!

By Midori

December 4, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

so, the Republican congress gets all the credit for Clinton’s success, but none of the blame for Bush’s failures?

By Lord Help Us

December 4, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

Crusty,

You and your ilk obsess about Clinton’s ‘little Elvis,’ probably because it helps you cope with how successful he was compared with the debacle we have experienced for the last six years.

RW-(the obfuscator), I noticed you, as with Crusty spewed some nonsense, but didn’t contest any of Clinton’s accomplishments. I’ll take that as an endorsement…

Also, I got a good laugh about your comment that ‘most of those things you can also credit President Bush.’ Particularly, the part about turning record deficits into record surpluses. You may not know this, but Bush did the exact opposite!!

By Jenn

December 4, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

No, I said Greenspan too. :-) I don’t believe that Clinton was an all that bad president. I think his priorties were a little off mark, so to speak. I don’t think that Bush is an all that bad president either, I just think a bunch of unfortunate events have happened on his watch. Seriously though, what would Clinton have done if 9/11 happened on his watch?

By Randy

December 4, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Sorry folks. Hit the wrong column and posted here instead of Wooten’s.

Hey Luckovich, your site is dead man. 37 comments @ 3:27?

By Quote Of The Day

December 4, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

“The Christian of today wonders at the savage who bowed before his idol; and yet it must be confessed that the god of stone answered prayer and protected his worshipers precisely as the Christian’s God answers prayer and protects his worshipers today.” – Col. Robert Ingersoll

By Lord Help Us

December 4, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

Randy,

Do the letters FO mean anything to you?

By Randy

December 4, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

Lord Help Us, Do the letters FO mean anything to me.

Sure they do. From the looks of this place they mean FINISHED ORACLE.

Bwaaaaaaaaa……………………..

Is that what you meant?

By Truthman

December 4, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

I have a new slogan to replace “Stay the Course.”

How about “Peace with Honor?”

What’s that you say?…it’s been used before?…about Vietnam?…really?…gosh, that’s ironic, isn’t it?

Sleep well, Andy and @@ and Buy Danish and N-Ga.

By RW-(the original)

December 4, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this

Randy,

And most of the comments that are here are spam or Midori double posting.

LHU,

Any economic numbers you want to attribute to Clinton policies are moot because they left the country in a recession.

Randy’s right about this blog. I think I’ll get out of here before they slam the doors shut.

If it ever livens back up maybe I’ll see you again sometime.

Goodbye all!

By Lord Help Us

December 4, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

Randy, please return to Wooten’s blog. Your inability to come up with anything better than that speaks volumes…You must be a ‘conservative.’

Sigh….

By Lord Help Us

December 4, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

RW-(the obfuscator),

Is that all you have? I will assume then that the 91 recession after 11 years of Reagon/Bush41 has caused you to forever disavow ‘Reagonomics.’

Don’t let anything ‘Trickle Down’ your leg on the way out the door…

By Midori

December 4, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

YAYYYYY!!

Two more morons gone to the Wooten blog.

Don’t let the door hit ya!!!

Are you guys going to get in the foxhole with Jim and Bush? Sure you can find room around all those liquor bottles?

By Randy

December 4, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

Lord Help Us, I will be at Wooten’s when I visit.

I guess you’ll be O.K. here alone. You and your imaginary friends.

HaHaHaHaHa……………………….

Pull up a chair. Prop your fat feet and swollen ankles up.

See ya!

Sigh…………………………….

By If The Boot Fits

December 4, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

Randy,

Are you aware than the statement, ‘I will be at Wooten’s when I visit,’ makes no sense.

Yup, you are definitely a conservative. And, probably a good, loyal one at that…

By getalife

December 4, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

Randy will fit right in with the other idiots over at Wooten’s.

Real Americans here agree with Mike’s toons and we have run off the right wing scum.

By Boot in mouth

December 4, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

If The Boot Fits, Are you aware thaT the statement, “Are you aware thaN the statement” makes no sense dumbas-s?

By Midori

December 4, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

LOL, Getalife:

VICTORY IS OUR’S :)

By Randy

December 4, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

If The Boot Fits, Just like a lame-brain liberal. You can’t think beyond the obvious.

Visit THE AJC moron.

See if Luckovich can draw you a pretty picture. I’ll leave you to say OOOOOOOOuuuu! That’s such a cool toon Mike! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last comment at the Down on Your Luck-o-vich blog.

By l

December 4, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

The turdblossoms have all gone to fertilize another blog?

Awesome!

BTW: How many Pulitzers does Wooten have?

By Lord Help Us

December 4, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

Randy, your short temper is also indicative of someone who is easily threatened and unable to respond with any degree of civility. A sure sign of retardation (and ‘conservatism’)

Thought you were leaving?

By RE

December 4, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

Perhaps some of the intelligent posters who have gone away in the past might come back if some of the more insulting blogers find a new home

I am still not used to not having someone slinging pinko/commie/ pantywaist around when they are argueing a point.

By Political Foreskin

December 4, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

Paris Hilton cancelled an appearance at an awards show this week because she hated the jokes the show’s writers gave her. Here is the rejected monologue:

“Brittany and I are best buds, but when we have a spat, we go to the limo to air it out. I think sometimes that Brittany is dislexic, I mean, she’s up for the movie-role of a female superhero, you know, the one that fights crime in her underwear and flies an invisible plane. And I know that she was actually trying to moon the paparazzi!!

“The whole flashing episode was a simple misunderstanding. I was teaching my dog some tricks at the time, but Brittany thought I was talking to her. All I said was, “sit… rollover…..BEG!”

“I think Brittany takes her love of animals too far. She once even brought some roadkill in the limo. And she kept asking me to resuscitate it.”

“Maybe it would help if Al Gore, the environmental guru, would chaperone our nites out. Brittany would never shoot a beaver with Al Gore in the limo!”

By Lord Help Us

December 4, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this

Good point RE, did that deranged little morphodite (Andy) finally get banned (and take his ‘friends with him)?

By Political Foreskin

December 4, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

I adore Midori!!! (god i love saying that, it rhymes and everything)

By Midori

December 4, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this

ROFL, RE

((((((I am still not used to not having someone slinging pinko/commie/ pantywaist around when they are argueing a point. )))))

Too funny!!! :)

Ah, memories :)

By Midori

December 4, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

LHU,

Something happened last week, and Andy’s head completely exploded. Must have been a tough job cleaning up that mess.

Getalife has more info.

By RE

December 4, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this

Anyone with thoughts on the 08 candidates for president?

I keep hearing about Hillary, but I caould not vote for her unless someone like Romney or Brownback were the other option

Kerry should stay far away from any debates

I would like to see John Edwards do something this year, I really liked him last time around

By ROFLMAO

December 4, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this

:) = (:) Snort Snort Snort.

Now that IS funny.

By Jenn

December 4, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this

RE—- from what I’ve heard, It’s Obama, and the governer of Iowa that is also in. I’ve also heard rumors of another Dem Governer, I don’t recall his state or name at the moment. Hope that helps

By RE

December 4, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

Yeah but Vilsack has no chance, at least I do not think so. Obama can capture that sense of hope you just don’t get with most candidates. But then again at this point I would like basic competancy and mental stability

By Huge

December 4, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

So (edited) “Curly ” Psychopath got sent to blogging purgatory? Getalife, give us details!

Stopped by at Wooten’s blog and not surprisingly Curly’s, lap dogs - BD, Dusty and RW - have found another whackjob to glob onto.

Yes, it appears that the mid-term elections have had results none of us could have seen!

Watch out for the stampede! Neo-cons cutting and running everywhere!

By Lord Help Us

December 4, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

Unbelievable, I just did looked over the blog at Wooten’s, found all the usual moron’s (Andy masquerading now as ‘Markus’). My brain started to atrophy after the first few minutes, but I persevered…

The topic du jour concerns an enormous concern for our country - whether University’s are allowing segregated graduation ceremonies ( or something to that affect).

Whoa, meaty stuff, huh?

Not a word about Iraq or North Korea or Iran or the budget deficits or the election losses, etc.

It’s like a little fantasy world where they can create ‘issues’ and ignore reality. It’s really quite sad…

Perfect for ‘conservatives.’

By Jenn

December 4, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

RE—-also from what I hear, since Obama only has a couple years under his belt, which could hurt him, or help him, I have heard that he could be in the drawing for VP candidate for Hillary.

By advisor

December 4, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this

Gather around, little ones, I have a story to tell you. It is a cautionary tale about a perfect little girl who had a seemingly perfect little plan.

The perfect girl was named Hillary and her plan was to become President of the United States. So, after joining the World’s Most Exclusive Club, she set out to do everything her head — and her consultants — told her was right.

She learned the rules of the Club, and followed them closely. She reached across the aisle and brought home the bacon for her constituents back home.

She posed for smiling photo-ops with Bill Frist, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum.

She backed a bill criminalizing flag burning, came out against violent video games, signed on to President Bush’s missile defense plan, shifted her language on abortion, and became a bellicose backer of the war in Iraq — convinced that the country isn’t ready for a female Commander-in-Chief who isn’t a hawk.

By advisor

December 4, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this

She dutifully sharpened the points of her triangulation strategy, decorating her rhetoric in red state-friendly shades. She was careful, oh so careful, and aimed to please — never saying anything that would get her in trouble.

She also quietly and methodically began building her campaign team — surrounding herself with a gaggle of advisers and consultants, raising millions of dollars (and lining up a top-flight national finance director to help her raise millions more), reaching out to power brokers in her home state, and sending out press releases through the New York Times.

She even hired a netroots pro to harness the energy of the Internet and help her win the favor of the blogosphere.

With Democrats on the rise, her perfect plan seemed to be working out perfectly.

And then suddenly, unexpectedly, came a rumbling in the distance. A rumbling caused by a boy named Barack. Indications are that before the year is out, Barack will officially be in.

All at once, a surge of enthusiasm and support for the boy named Barack is threatening to ruin all of the girl named Hillary’s perfect plans — like sand castles being washed away by a rising tide.

So, my little ones, what is the lesson to be learned from this tale?

That you might as well speak your mind and do what is in your heart because you never know what waits around the corner — what unforeseen forces are headed your way.

As the poet tells us, the best-laid plans of mice and men — and perfect little girls — often go awry. And, man oh man, are they ever going awry for Hillary.

Well, you know what they say: Obama Happens.

By advisor

December 4, 2006 06:10 PM | Link to this

You think you have troubles? Peggy Noonan, the Betty Boop of right-wing commentary, is really upset:

Now, when I first read this (“We’re going to need grace. We are going to need a great outbreak of grace to navigate the next difficult months.”) I went a bit insane. I wrote fourteen hundred words mocking and denouncing just the first half of it.

But can you blame me? It seemed, at least initially, a classic Noonan performance, a repulsive combination of coy, girlish disingenuousness, bad-faith moralizing, and eye-batting hero-worship of liars, criminals, and mediocrities.

For example—and by way of at least partial self-exculpation—please allow me to share with you this lovely native legend as related, in lilting song and languid gesture, by La Noonan in her role as the incomparable Hula Queen of Waikiki:

Much has been strained. We were all concussed by 9/11—we reeled—and came down where we came down. For the administration, extreme events prompted radical thinking. American exceptionalism was yesterday. They would be universalists, their operating style at once dreamy and aggressive All men want the same thing, and we’re giving it to them whether they want it or not. Now the dreamers hope to be saved by men—James Baker, Vernon Jordan—they once dismissed as cynics.

Cheney and Rumsfeld, Dick and Don—the dreamers. Two guys with a cockeyed vision, yeah, a couple of Americans with the crazy notion that maybe, just maybe, Iraq could be re-made, and the Middle East rendered safe for Starbucks and Exxon-Mobil, by an invasion by people who have no plan for occupation, and an occupation by people who have no idea what they’re doing. Don’t laugh. You may say they’re two dreamers. But they’re not the only ones

By advisor

December 4, 2006 06:10 PM | Link to this

It is impossible to know whether Noonan actually believes all the patent idiocy—two parts teenage poetess plaint, one part teacher’s pet book report—that she is sometimes compelled to write:

When history runs hot, bitterness bubbles. Democrats who should be feeling happy are, from what I’ve observed in New York and Washington, not. The closest they come to joy is a more energetic smugness. Republicans are fighting among themselves—or, rather, grumbling.

“History” is running “hot” and “bitterness” is bubbling, but “in New York and Washington” all is opera buffa, with smug, insufficiently “happy” Democrats and “grumbling” Republicans stumbling around in their endearing way. Does she contradict herself? Very well, then, she contradicts herself.

The first half of the piece ends thus:

We will need grace to get through this time: through the discussion of the Baker-Hamilton report, through debate on the war, through a harmonious transfer of legislative power in January, through the beginning of the post-Bush era.

At first I took this to mean that all of us were equally culpable in the obscenity that is Bush’s war of choice, and that therefore all of us should be on our best behavior as the wise men descend from their Carlyle Group board room and help set things aright. Graceless partisan hot-head that I am, I read this and became somewhat cross. “What you mean ‘we,’ Keemosabe?” was essentially my response.

Because—and everyone knows this, with the possible exception of the Mad Decider in the White House—“we” are not all equally responsible for this hideousness. The administration and the Republican Party, of which Noonan has been and remains a proud advocate, are. Oh, they were abetted by some fearful, spineless Democrats in Congress, and by a spineless, fearful news media. But by and large this carnival of death, destruction, corruption, mismanagement, and ineptitude is a Republican creation.

By getalife

December 4, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

Idiot posted his real name and cut and run.

Have you noticed that w is sounding just like Baghdad Bob?

See for yourself

By advisor

December 4, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

Now, of course, the Dems have taken the House and Senate, and whoever prints Congressional subpoenas is running triple shifts. One finds oneself wondering which of the several committee hearings to watch live, and which to record for later enjoyment. Whatever we think we know now about this monstrosity of an administration (and we know a ton), it’s nothing compared to what will emerge in the next year.

So when Noonan says “we will need grace,” I wondered if she wasn’t doing what cornered conservatives always do when the shoe finally makes its way to the other foot, i.e., demanding “civility” while trying to evade responsibility and squirm out of having to endure the consequences that should follow it.

This—civility—is in fact the subject of the loony second half of the piece in question. She muses about the possibility that “many politicians and journalists lack a certain public grace” because—and don’t scoff; it is, like evolution, just “a theory”—they went to “boarding school, and tony private schools in general.” She points out, with thrilling if bogus hyperbole, that “interviewers now always, as you have noticed, interrupt the person they’re interviewing.”

Yes, that’s what’s wrong with our news media: they’re too demanding. They bully and hector our poor politicians and corporate spokespeople in an uncivil insistence on prying out the truth. You wonder, and I wonder: Is she kidding? Has she never watched Jim Lehrer twinkle as he lobs his slo-pitch softballs? Has she never heard of Brit Hume?

But never mind. Let us give her the courtesy of ignoring the second, stupid half of the piece, and focus solely on the first, visionary section. Let us grant her enough respect to assume that she is as dedicated as we are to truth, justice, and the victory of the good. After all, here is what Peggy Noonan wrote on a different occasion, with the subject of the initial sentence deleted, by me, for subsequent dramatic effect:

By advisor

December 4, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

But (X) argued that the pursuit of justice is the business of a great nation. In winning this point, they caught the falling flag, producing a triumph for the rule of law, a reassertion of the belief that no man is above it, and a rebuke for an arrogance that had grown imperial.

Isn’t that nice? It’s drivel, yes—this is Peggy Noonan, after all—but (this is Peggy Noonan, after all) it’s stirring drivel. And to whom could it possibly refer, if not George W. Bush?

Actually, she wrote this two days after the House impeached Bill Clinton. The deleted subject of the first sentence is “the Republicans.”

And that gives me hope. If she’s this hard on a president simply because he lied about a blow job—applauding his impeachment and presumably advocating his removal from office—imagine how hard she’ll be on a president who lied about a war. If she’s so strict regarding “the rule of law” when it came to Clinton, imagine how strict she’ll be with Bush, with his complicity (and lying) in the outing of Valerie Plame, his “signing statements” promising to ignore the law, his administration’s concealment of the true cost of his Medicare plan, his—but you get the idea.

No, I have to conclude that when Peggy Noonan says “we” she means herself, her president, her party, and her fellow propagandists. She means everyone who properly should be held accountable for this military, political, cultural, and financial nightmare. They will indeed, as the summonses go forth and the testimony under oath commences in the New Year, need “grace.” They’ll also need legal defense funds. Count on Noonan to be there to help with both.

By advisor

December 4, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

Like many of us, I have been struggling with the tragic choice that if we leave Iraq we leave a horrible mess behind, but if we stay, the mess will probably get worse due to the problems caused by America’s military presence.

So how about this approach:

1-acknowledge we “own” the problem, because we do.

Colin Powell (“you break it, you own it”) was right about that one.

2-figure out what it would cost to stay there if we stayed there as long as big kids like the Iraq Study Group want us to - let’s say for the sake of argument that it’s another two years, $250 billion of taxpayer dollars and American lives.

3-leave as soon as possible and escrow that same amount of money for the benefit of the Iraqi people and the reconstruction of that country - because it is the fundamentally right thing to do. In fact, I think all compassionate progressives and conservatives should oppose our country simply pulling out without making some sort of HARD commitment to clean up the mess we’ve made. Multi-national talks are nice; a pricey commitment to rebuilding is the real deal. Do we have the will to stay the course on that?

4-call in our allies, the UN, Middle East neighbors and some internationally wise set of people to work with the US government to set smart and binding conditions that would govern the release of that money so long as various markers of progress are achieved.

We just can’t leave; but we can’t keep throwing money down a rat-hole either. So let’s commit to paying for the mess we started, but escrow the funds so that the money is there as an incentive for progress, peace and prosperity.

By RE

December 4, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

I am waiting to see what the GOP has this time around as well, McCain and Gulianni are going to have a tough time getting the nomination. Romney are Brownback are pulling for christian family values type vote. I would rather see Gulianni as president that Hillary, she has all the money and power to take it all.

I used to like McCain, but that straight talk ended sometime in 2004. Now he is not the same man

By advisor

December 4, 2006 06:13 PM | Link to this

One of those human-animal hybrids reared its head again the other day and said ‘Moooo’. A team of scientists in the UK, at Newcastle University, have been given permission, as part of their stem cell research program, to create embryos by fusing human DNA with cow eggs.

The reason for doing it? Purely practical - human eggs are as scarce as hen’s teeth, cows eggs as common as, well, hen’s eggs.

So if you are doing research to try to make the life of humans not quite as nasty, brutish and short as it can be for many, it makes sense to use cow eggs in experiments to see how best to develop stem cells, and to investigate disease development. No big deal, you would think, just a recipe for egg cooking that says: replace the bit that eventually makes an egg a cow, the nucleus, with a nucleus that eventually makes an egg a human; let the non-nuclear part of the egg nourish the human nucleus until it has divided a few times; remove from oven, after a few days, when done.

But instantly came the usual outrage. Never understood it before, but this time it was clear - ‘you may begin to undermine the whole distinction between humans and animals’ said a bioethicist, and ‘if that happens, it might also undermine human dignity and human rights’. The problem then, is that the fact that you can do the process - substituting a nucleus of one species for the nucleus of another, and having the resulting egg continue on its merry way, oblivious to ‘human dignity’, shows yet again just how close humans are to other mammals.

By advisor

December 4, 2006 06:13 PM | Link to this

And we can’t let people understand that, can we, otherwise they might begin to see that evolution isn’t a theory but a statement of the obvious. And the links between all life forms, not just mammals, was accentuated when a study of bees showed that the DNA coding for their biological clock was very similar to that of mammals. A study of the DNA of bees also confirmed their evolutionary history, being derived from an African origin (just like humans!) and a very old fossil bee, the oldest yet found, showed close links to wasps, from which bees evolved. Yet another non-missing link.

But keeping such facts away from people is par for the evangelical course, and more recently we have had the extraordinary demands from evangelicals that the National Museum of Kenya remove its display of human evolution. Hiding the ancestral human fossils from Kenya away is yet another example of closing your eyes to the reality of life on Earth, occupying a faith-based planet instead of a reality-based one. Taking some of the evidence for the reality of the links between humans and animals (are the hominid fossils human or animal, that is the question, and where do you draw the line? You can’t of course, and that is the problem that evangelists, fighting all over again the war they lost in 1859, can’t recognize) and hiding it from children and child-like adults, is a sign of people whose world is crumbling. How much evidence can you hide before the whole theory of religion comes tumbling down?

On the other hand there are still people who believe that there were WMD, and links with Al Qaeda, in Iraq. The evidence against that faith is hidden by politicians as strongly as the evangelicals are trying to hide the evidence of evolution.

By Will Jones

December 4, 2006 06:27 PM | Link to this

Peter: Were you unable to review the facts of 9-11

Did you not review Prof. Jones’ take on WTC collapse? He has a PhD in Physics. Might he possibly be a credible and authoritative source given the obviousness of a missile, and no airplane, at the Pentagon; as well as the Bush faction’s “good fortune” at the “New Pearl Harbor?”

Prof. Griffin’s book of that name is also irrefutable proof by a Professor of Logic that Bush did in fact commit 9-11.

Read the book and argue with it and the above youtube videos, or regard yourself as a Weekend Warrior: lazy in pursuit of actual patriotic endeavor.

Death for Treason or America is Doomed

Be a part of the solution: Justice for the dead of 9/11 and Bush’s false war.

By RW-(Haunting from next door)

December 4, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

Wow LHU! Look what you’ve done with the place. It took you guys two hours to turn this blog into a complete freak show and spamfest.

Wooten’s blog is a little weak, but it has topics. Obviously from your 5:50 you don’t understand what that means. Let me describe them in case you pop by.

A topic or set of topics are laid out and discussed except by the same idiot vaudeville routines that show up here. Over here, the topic is “Bush sucks” every minute of every day and since you guys are only capable of that one thought this is the perfect place for you.

By Midori

December 4, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

RE,

I, too, like John Edwards, and am hoping he will throw his hat in the room.

I also concur about Kerry - I like him an awful lot; however, I just don’t think he can pull it off.

Plus, I don’t know what all the hype is about Hillary. Give me a break. Clinton, Bush1, Bush 2, now ANOTHER Clinton? Can’t we do better. I like Hillary as well, but I don’t want her to be the candidate.

By Midori

December 4, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

RW,

Not only does Bush suck but so do you.

Fly away, little bird.

Don’t you have some WMD to hunt down over at Wootens? He has a nice foxhole with your name on it.

By Diogenes

December 4, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Advisor,

Here’s something you might enjoy:

Kansas Outlaws Practice Of Evolution

TOPEKA, KS—In response to a Nov. 7 referendum, Kansas lawmakers passed emergency legislation outlawing evolution, the highly controversial process responsible for the development and diversity of species and the continued survival of all life. Lawmakers decried spontaneous genetic mutations. “From now on, the streets, forests, plains, and rivers of Kansas will be safe from the godless practice of evolution, and species will be able to procreate without deviating from God’s intended design,” said Bob Bethell, a member of the state House of Representatives. “This is about protecting the integrity of all creation.”

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/55807

By Huge

December 4, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

RE,

About the possible 08 candidates:

Brownback is a complete buffoon. But could be useful to moderates by trying to soldier on the failing far-right neo-con movement.

McCain could be the Dark Horse, but he too, is a mixed bag. And some of it ain’t good at all.

The closet moderate GOPers like Guilliani and Pataki will almost certainly get skewered by far-right zealots.

Gingrich? Positively revolting, but that makes him a good choice for the repubs! Ditto, Allen.

Romney. See Brownback.

As for the Dems:

Clinton is a democratic train-wreck waiting to happen. My biggest problem with her is that she voted to give you know who power to do you know what. And she carries way too much baggage.

Obama? Knowing as little as I do about this guy, I’d have to say, you’ve got to be kidding. He’s gonna have a heckova chance to impress, or not, the voters though.

Kerry, Edwards, Gore and Clark - probably all hangers on. But the last two could be good candidates.

So far, the one guy who has impressed me somewhat has been Hagel from Nebraska. Moderate, combat tested and no skeletons.

By RW-(Haunting from next door)

December 4, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

Midori,

QUIT STALKING ME YOU PSYCHOTIC PARROT!

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

By Huge

December 4, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

“Over here, the topic is “Bush sucks””

RW, what would you like people to do? Pretend he doesn’t?

Ain’t ever gonna happen. January 2009 can’t get here fast enough for many Americans.

By One of the Majority's Voices

December 4, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

Midori & RE,

I like Bayh and Edwards. Bayh has won repeatedly in a red state, had Indiana’s economy churning on all cylinders, voted for the war but said he made a mistake immediately after the truth about the intelligence came to light, etc. He has a good record of bipartisanship and his voting record is liberal enough for me. Edwards has many of the same qualities. He’s a little further to the left, which is fine with me. Just like Michigan, Kerry had his shot and didn’t take advantage of it. I like Hillary, but I’m afraid she may be unelectable. I’d go with Bayh or Edwards before I’d vote for Hillary and maybe give another one of the socially conservative Repugs a chance at the Whitehouse.

By advisor @ 6:12????

December 4, 2006 07:07 PM | Link to this

Huff huff huff huff - droooolllll - slurp.

Like that so original man.

By One of the Majority's Voices

December 4, 2006 07:10 PM | Link to this

So it appears that Andy either got banned (finally) or actually cut and ran after doing something stupid, according to Getalife. And then the rest of the unemployed repugs threw up the white flag and surrendered. I wonder what Granny will do with all her free time now? Oprah is probably too liberal for her. Is there a conservative daytime soap she can fixate on? So many options when you have so little to do… I guess @@ and RW are in the same boat.

Did anyone hear that “lady” saying nasty things to Jimmy Carter (racist, bigot, etc.) on C-Span? I wondered if that was Bi Granny calling in. Sounded like she had an Adam’s apple.

By Peter

December 5, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

Will - Professor Jones puts forth an hypothesis that requires explosives be placed on the floors where the aircraft strike the WTC towers (not above or below to ruin the illusion you desire).

Read the (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html)=POPULAR MECHANICS - March 2005 cover story or read the book “Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can’t Stand Up to the Facts.”

There isn’t availability of enough explosives to bring the towers down, according to Mark Loizeaux of Controlled Demolition of Phoenix, MD. The quantity of explosives would require 75 men, two months with unfettered access to three floors.

… but you enjoy your fantasy as Duh-bya enjoys his.

By Jenn

December 5, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

Mornin’ y’all! This just in: Obama’s middle name is “Hussain”

By Peter

December 5, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

POPULAR MECHANICS - March 2005 cover story - Debunking 9/11 Myths

By Will Jones

December 5, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

Peter: I saw the PM Editors debating two of the contributors to “Loose Change” - CNN/Larry King possibly - and the filmmakers wiped the floor with the Bush apologists. Common sense says something “extraordinary” occurred at the WTC for the only three highrises to ever be felled by fire do so one that day.

Besides, nothing of the obvious lateral explosive component - debris blown horizontally hundreds of feet - could possibly be physically explained by an entropic fall…at approximately free fall speed…and NOTHING left of the center matrix web of steel posts…and the rapid disposal of the crime scene…and the proprietary explosives residue identified by Prof. Jones.

Believe your 100 I.Q. delusion and conform for the same faction 80% of Americans know assassinated JFK to keep us in Vietnam…nothing will change the witnessed and televised crime scene at the Pentagon devoid of the signature wreckage of a 757 travelling at 400+ MPH.

Please don’t pong this back before you read “New Pearl Harbor,” or intelligently examine the credible and expert material to which I pointed you.

Act smart. Clearly the same Bush/Rockefeller Fifth Column that funded Hitler, killed JFK to send us to die in Vietnam and is now profitting from Iraq committed 9-11. The proof is available. If you wish to evade it keep your cowardice, venality or treason to yourself.

By Peter

December 6, 2006 08:20 AM | Link to this

Will - Your unwillingness to consider alternatives to your illusion sounds so much like Duh-bya’s. So, I run the risk of having you ignore my posts. (Darn!) The Popular Mechanics book is rather slim and with your superior intellect shouldn’t take you more than an evening to read and consider. (This information more for public consumption anyway.) Yes, I watched the videos of edited 9/11 footage but such testimony by witnesses of an airliner flown into the Pentagon where the poor quality security missed it and WTC debris falling faster than the “near terminal velocity” building is hard for me to comprehend. (Must be my low I.Q. and inability to understand how the Administration clowns managed to pull off your far fetched scenario with no apparent leaks yet.)

By Will Jones

December 6, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

Peter: I suspect you have been conditioned since birth to take the position you hold. Read “The New Pearl Harbor.” The author has a PhD and a sterling reputation. See if you’re “smarter” than he is…then tell us why the tapes from the numerous, known security and VDOT cameras of the Pentagon crash site and approach path were confiscated; why the projectile in the “leaked” tape is too narrow a diameter to be the 757’s fuselage next to a vertical known height - the Pentagon wall - and why so many Congresspersons and senators came on TV the evening of 9/11 and told of the jet sweeping up from the Pentagon over Capitol Hill…with maps showing its path in the paper the next day.

It must be an I.Q. issue and mass hysteria that those able to type in response to this statement will try to refute with no proof and continue to evade the opportunity to find images with the two 8-ton 13-foot diameter jet engines embedded in the Pentagon’s wall. Good Luck.

Bush did 9-11. Bush’s father killed JFK. Bush’s grandfather was Hitler’s banker. Only a liar, moron, or a traitor will deny it. They’ve gotten away with it because they’re working for Vatican-banker Rockefeller, BIG OIL and the Roman Catholic false-elite.

Death for Treason. Banishment for Misprision of Treason. Full expropriation for both.

By Peter

December 6, 2006 06:13 PM | Link to this

Will - (you said you weren’t going to read posts from this idiot child) - see my - December 4, 2006 02:38 PM - “I believe the administration used 9/11” but to think Scooter’s little secret about Valerie came out, it only seems reasonable that a scheme as grand as the 9/11 conspiracy would come to light. Your illusion amounts to conjecture. Do yourself a favor and read Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can’t Stand Up to the Facts it won’t hurt anything but your pride. I’ll look for “The New Pearl Harbor.”

By Will Jones

December 6, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

Peter: As I earlier mentioned, the Popular Mechanics editors were essentially savaged by the “Loose Change” contributors (have you watched it?) on C-SPAN or Larry King. NPH, written by a highly reputable Professor of Logic, will ice it for you…and any other intellect able to overcome the BIG LIE. The complete body of Thomas Jefferson’s writings should inure any wishing to fully realize American Consciousness…and lead one to easily recognize the “Anti-Christ,” he describes, in the activities of the fascist Fifth Column which assassinated our leaders from Meriwether Lewis to JFK, funded Hitler, sent us to Vietnam, and has us in the Middle East for heroin and oil and power.

By Peter

December 8, 2006 08:42 AM | Link to this

Will - You have stated your position extremely well. The lack of intellectual curiosity is impressive and your admiration for the Bush Administration’s ability to pull of such an amazing accomplishment and keep the leaks from hundreds of conspirators plugged … unbelievable. I find it bewildering in light of the utter fiasco in Iraq and the little “Scooter” Libby secret that slipped out. (If it’s the cost of the $14.95 ” Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can’t Stand Up to the Facts,” I’ll send you a copy.)