Mike Luckovich

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 06:52 AM | Link to this

Wait a minute, I thought the advice of war veterans was above reproach??:

On October 26, 1967, McCain’s A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by an anti-aircraft missile, landing in Truc Bach Lake. He broke both arms and a leg after ejecting from his plane.

What war did you serve in, cartoon boy?

How dare you question the motives of Mr. McCain, why, he’s got real Purple Hearts, not fake Band Aid ones.

The next time we get the war hero censorship ploy shoved down our throats during the debate just remember that the left only uses it when it’s convenient to their side.

Much like everything else they use including blacks, gays and their voters.

By the way, I, and probably many other Conservatives would rather fore go the pinko tradition of going to war, getting people killed, cutting and running, abandoning our allies to the mass murderers, building a monument and sitting around and wailing in front of it like a bunch of panty waist feminist sissies.

I’d much rather have a free, sovereign Iraq, where the people can enjoy the same liberties that Americans take for granted, as the “monument” to those who have sacrificed their lives for the Iraqi people.

Not some stupid piece of granite.

Merry Christmas!

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 06:53 AM | Link to this

Washington has become a political meat grinder where character assassination is standard procedure. Clever and glib people say “If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.” But the far larger question is whether the country can afford to repel people who are desperately needed but who may have too much self-respect to let political pygmies smear their character. We need to attract allies abroad as well as Americans at home. Yet too many in the media are as ready to trash our allies as they are to trash Americans whose politics they don’t like. It is a great game to some. But it is a dangerous game to play when the country is facing unprecedented threats.

Merry Christmas!

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 07:09 AM | Link to this

Openly advocating against America’s military:

IRAQ DEVELOPMENTS: Sadr City raid sparks Shiite rage-AtlantaUrinal

Can you imagine a headline in World War 2 “bombing of oil reserves angers Germans.”

The “news” paper building would have been burnt to the ground and the “reporter” locked up if not hung by the neck. By the Roosevelt Administration.

These pervert liberal headlines embolden our enemies and make US soldiers more timid, which gets them killed.

AJC adding to the monument.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 07:39 AM | Link to this

The drip, drip, drip of anti American, anti war propaganda all from the Al Jazeera Constitution:

Police, morgue and hospital officials reported 33 people killed in sectarian violence. At least 44 tortured bodies were found dumped throughout central Iraq.

Outgoing U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said the war in Iraq, and the failure of the U.N. Security Council to prevent the invasion by U.S.-led forces, was the biggest regret he had from his 10-year tenure.

A third Marine pleaded guilty at Camp Pendleton, Calif., to lesser charges in the killing of an unarmed Iraqi civilian, whose body was left with an AK-47 and a shovel to make him look like an insurgent.

Nothing good to say, just manufactured headlines (Koffi should check out Darfur under his “watch,”) slanted stories (Al Qaeda killed the 33) and rehashed “news” (how many times can you convict a soldier for the same crime?)

All of this filth nothing but treasonous, seditious acts, open subversion against America.

And we do nothing about it.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 07:52 AM | Link to this

The only alternative to the surrenders on offer by the Democrats and by the “realist” Republicans is a renewed determination to win. The assassins in Iraq pursue their dirty war despite the cost because it is succeeding. They know they are on the cusp of driving us out. But if, just to fantasize for a moment, we were to redouble our efforts, send more troops, kill the insurgents and convey our unflinching determination to win, the psychological effect would be enormous. And all wars are, to one degree or another, psychological.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 08:01 AM | Link to this

If we, the most powerful force on the planet, in a fit of disappointment and anger at our bungling policies to date, decide to shrug off our responsibilities to the future, we will soon receive, and deserve, the furious contempt of a terrified world. In fact, even those Americans who today can’t wait to end our involvement in the “hopeless” war in Iraq, will — when the consequences of our irresponsibility becomes manifest — join the chorus of outrage.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

In the face of such a dreadful likelihood, the emerging Washington consensus is an exercise in self-delusion unworthy of a 5-year-old. The almost consensus Washington argument assumes that if only we will formally talk with them, Iran and Syria will volunteer to pull our chestnuts out of the fire while we start removing troops from Iraq.

By Mike

November 22, 2006 08:12 AM | Link to this

Does Mikey even know how to draw a Democrat? A cartoon about our foreign enemies?

Nah. Mikey is an uber-partisan who believes that his side is always right and “they” are always wrong. What an idiot.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 22, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

Truly a great cartoon Mike.

Now be prepared for those who are incapable of deep thinking to get their panties/jockeys in a wad over some percieved insult to the troops.

They’ll be some serious venum spewed on the blog today.

May you all have a warm, wonderful Thanksgiving holiday. And may there be enough bird left for a few fabulous turkey sandwhichs. (Miracle Whip, not Mayo)

By Charles

November 22, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this

Thank God the mainstream press of today wasn’t around during World War II. At least I’ve been able to live my life without a fascist dictator ruling my life. If we go the course that people like Luckovich wants to see, I’m afraid my grandchildren will be reading from the Koran (IF they’re allowed to live).

God help this country ……

By @@

November 22, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

ml: I guess we know now where you stand. At the feet of your fans, or they at yours.

What the generals on the ground are saying means nothing to you? You know more than they do?

Well the writing is on the wall for all to see. You’re a Nancy.

By Andy

November 22, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this

The Pilot of the Enola Gay would make a great President, Andy? If McCain gets credibility for foreign policy because he was shot down over Nam, then imagine the GOP rewards the Pilot of the Enola Gay should get!!! Foley was a decorator on the Enola Gay. (true)

This is serving as a reminder that Andy is a fallguy. I posted once or twice, just clowning, that I couldn’t read his italics, when the truth was that nobody would read his manifesto length comments anyway, and i was just methin’ wid ‘im.

Now follow along: Because he was so worried that he’d lose the four readers a day who do read him, he stopped on a dime.

He fell for it. He lives in delusion. His gift to all of us is in the demonstration of the consequences of selling firewater to pools of rinsed-dna mitochondrial mutants.

I guess ignorance and hypocrisy really are conjugal siblings.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

November 22, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this

All these pro-war posts would have more weight if they were from Fallujah, instead of Marietta.

By candide

November 22, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this

John McCain is either a fool or the most accomplished Machiavellian around.

By N-GA

November 22, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

Thanks ML for staying true to your beliefs. There are some who are not happy unless American soldiers are dying somewhere on the planet…as long as it’s not them.

BTW Charles, you’ve been living under a neo-fascist dictator for almost 6 years.

By Matte Finish

November 22, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

The Miracle Whip vs Mayo controversy lives!!!

Mrs. Godzilla has broached the true topic. My wife has a different answer everytime I make a sandwich. “What about tuna?” What about ham? “What about a BLT?”

Sometimes, my wife actually mixes BOTH jars in her sandwich recipe. I said, HEY! It’s just a sandwich. You’re not Madam Curie. Next you’ll be shaking test tubes and breaking down nutrional info. See that green color? I definitely need more potassium.

But looking back, I see now just how important it was to know the secret formula of Mayo vs Whip. My wife says she was just protecting me in case I ever got captured by the fat police, (and water boarded). This way, she claimed, I wouldn’t be able to spill the secret formula.

It’s like the time I was spotted parking in the expectant mothers only parking place, and when I returned to leave, the picture of the stork had been replaced by a picture of a guy wearing a dunce cap. That one hurt.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

November 22, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

Drunken limp-wristed chickenhawks calling decent people traitors.

Same sheet every day on the Luckovich blog…

By Diogenes

November 22, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this

Mike,

It’s an excellent cartoon. That seems the typical Republican response to Bush’s War: stand before the Bush Memorial and talk about adding more troops rather than advocating a practical solution to the quagmire. McCain is but another Republican who chooses to ignore the electorate and set upon his own route for expanding and continuing the Bush War. How does one get the Republican minority to listen to their voters? It is but another example of Republican arrogance. Well done, Mike.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this

By Andy November 22, 2006 08:21 AM I posted once or twice, just clowning, that I couldn’t read his italics, when the truth was that nobody would read his manifesto length comments anyway, and i was just methin’ wid ‘im. Now follow along: Because he was so worried that he’d lose the four readers a day who do read him, he stopped on a dime. He fell for it.

Bullsh-it. I’m not going back through the archives, especially on behalf of a stalker psychopath that thinks about Andy his every waking moment, but I told this weirdo verbatim to turn his monitor on it’s side, this would make the italics stop leaning forward.

He lives in delusion.

Is not spending your insane days jacking the name of someone you are too stupid to debate normally not the purest definition of delusional?

I Lord over you, weakling.

Show everyone what I’m talking about.

Merry Christmas!

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 22, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this

Hey Matte,

Do you put leftover dressing on the sandwich too?

Yum.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this

Why does every encounter with a liberal have to lead to utter madness and insanity? Are these people so ill equipped from their upbringing that they have to resort to immaturity and tantrums in response to normal political debate?

What ever happened to “Sir, you’re wrong and this is why?”

Why is it now, “Hi my name is Andy and I’m Satan and I like it from behind.”

Is this all America has anymore?

A nation of psychotic cartoon characters?

Do you think we’re going to hold on to this country with this level of incompetence, with this lack of coherent thought?

What is going on in our schools?

Why is no one else concerned?

By Goldie

November 22, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

I’m beginning to think that McCain would be even a worster president than Dubya is!

By More Blood More Oil

November 22, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

As long as gas prices stay down, I say let’s do it.

What’s a few thousand more dumb dead rednecks if I can keep my Escalade on the road?

By 'Muff said

November 22, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

@@, You live for Bush Speak.

‘muff said.

If we draft troops, and decide to go strong, we’re going to have to slaughter all those iraqi people now, thanx to the incentives provided by BP Oil, and the ignorance of americans like you.

I’m convinced you are blogging as part of a cadre of trolls who just want to belong to something, even if it’s only a boiler-room conspiracy of blog-tards.

Blog tards! man that’s good.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

By Al Qaeda’s Concubine November 22, 2006 08:25 AM All these pro-war posts would have more weight if they were from Fallujah, instead of Marietta.

It won’t be long before Al Qaeda is in Marietta, which will make alot of these anti Americans happy.

By Lets Fight Them Over There

November 22, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

Andi/e, Bi Danish, RW and the rest of the Luckovich losers can flap their yaps over here like the chickenhawk cowards they are.

By N-GA

November 22, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

Andy’s mom must have slipped his meds into his oatmeal.

By I Voted Not to Enlist

November 22, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this

Hey, I’m a coward.

And that “don’t ask don’t tell” thing might get me.

By Guy Pinestra

November 22, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

Anyone who thinks John McCain is good presidential material is living in a fantasy land. He is an Open Borders Globalist in the 1st degree, has ties to Mexican energy and water interests, has NO CONTROL over his emotions and acts like a petulant child whenever he fails to get ‘his’ way.

When it comes to John McCain I’ve got two words for ya,”*Manchurian Candidate”.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

November 22, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

The Luckovich Blog - The Official Blog of the Special Olympics.

By N-GA

November 22, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this

Maybe people would debate you, Andy if:

You stopped using this blog as your own personal bulletin board.

You stopped acting like a complete a$$.

You stopped calling people names.

You stopped using sterotypical statements.

You stopped lying.

You stopped breating.

By Lord Help Us

November 22, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this

Andy,

You are wrong, one of the most egregious name-jackers, one of the worst contributors to destructive discourse and one of the reasons the rules of this blog have been tightened.

Yet, you have the audacity to play the victim with your 8:39 post…

Unbelievable.

Okay, here is a return to you in civilized discourse and you have the opportunity to respond in kind…Can you?

By I Vote for War But Not to Fight In It

November 22, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

I’m a coward, a clown, a drunk, a loser.

But I consider myself a great Christian and fine American.

By John in Mableton

November 22, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

The brains of George! The gun handling abilities of Dick! George and Dick’s love child comes out!

The man had just stuck the gun in his waistband when it fired, shooting him in the left testicle, authorities said. He cringed, causing the gun to fire again and strike him in the left calf, they said.

http://www.ajc.com/search/content/shared-gen/ap/National/Groin_Shot.html

By Goldie

November 22, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

The Repugnants in Gwinnett County are carrying on the bribery tradition of their party:

In was suspected of accepting gifts in exchange for tipping off employees of sex-selling massage parlors to pending undercover sting operations. Gwinnett Superior Court Judge Richard Winegarden sentenced In to five years in prison and 10 years’ probation. The maximum sentence would have been 20 years. In, dressed in a dark suit, said he had no excuses for his actions. In admitted to tipping off massage parlors to pending raids about 10 times. He also admitted to telling employees at the brothels what radio frequencies to use to monitor the conversations of undercover officers.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

See what I’m talking about?:

By N-GA November 22, 2006 08:44 AM Andy’s mom must have slipped his meds into his oatmeal.

What’s so bad about it, this mental cripple thinks he’s scored some kind of home run with this insane nonsense.

What ever happened to modesty and respect? Does no one see the utter madness of sitting around babbling about the mother of a person you don’t even know?

This person, this NG-A operates on the same level that you’d expect from a sixth grader, someone who thinks mindless taunts about your mother and the gutter are somehow totally devastating to the person you throw them at.

When all it’s doing is exposing the person taunting as a child, incapable of functioning in the adult world, waiting for government to step in and take control of their failed sorry worthless little lives.

And stupidly smiling the whole time about it.

By Goldie

November 22, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

So, poor Daddy Bush doesn’t understand the criticism of his son, the prince of peace — must be the Alzheimers:

Bush said he was surprised by the audience’s criticism of his son. “He is working hard for peace. It takes a lot of guts to get up and tell a father about his son in those terms when I just told you the thing that matters in my heart is my family,” he said.

Apparently it doesn’t matter in his heart what destruction his son has brought on the entire world!

By @@

November 22, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

Muff:

I’m a little sensitive about the word “tards”, not on my own behalf, but on behalf of the kids I work with. I have found that even kids, elementary through high school have come to realize how inappropriate the use of that word is.

When I think of you, I’m thinking “Blogturd”, a cadre by many other names. A hanging “chad”, a Political Foreskin.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

You’ve got to be kidding! Look in the mirror and what do you see?:

An ignorant, nasty, name-calling, lying, stereo-typing, hypocritical creep.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this

By ‘Muff said November 22, 2006 08:41 AM @@, You live for Bush Speak. ‘muff said If we draft troops, and decide to go strong, we’re going to have to slaughter all those Iraqi people now, thanks to the incentives provided by BP Oil, and the ignorance of Americans like you.

And look at this sh-it, how much do you want to bet that this “person” uses just as much oil as the next guy? That they live in a mansion just like everybody else, that they think driving a Prius is going to make a bit a difference, all the while jetting to the Bahamas on vacation or to Washington to protest global warming and “war for oil?”

I’d be willing to bet everything I own that this poster has absolutely no idea how it’s home gets heated. Would you like to make the same wager that this poster sleeps outside every night or never cuts on the air conditioning?

It’s a sure sign of mental immaturity to be an oil user and then parade yourself around as some kind of oil heretic, scolding the rest of the country for actions that you have no problem doing.

What are you trying to prove with this insanity any f ing way? That destroying the United States, that putting us on the same level as Somalia will some how make the world a better place, that it will right every wrong?

Do you people really believe that fairy tale?

By Goldie

November 22, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

Even the one or two saner Repugnants left in the party know that McCain is a nut-job:

Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), a prominent conservative member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said today on MSNBC that Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) plan to send 20,000 more troops to Iraq is “not realistic.”

By Nomad

November 22, 2006 09:10 AM | Link to this

Goldie - Worster is not a word. Please use a dictionary if you don’t know the spelling. It makes you incompetent. Wait you already are. Change incompetent to stupid oh wait….er nevermind.

ML this cartoon sucks. Try again.

NOMAD

By @@

November 22, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

Oh, and Political Foreskin a/k/a/Muff:

You da bomb!

My advice? Don’t take it so hard.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this

Speaking of mentally crippled:

By Lord Help Us November 22, 2006 08:48 AM Andy, You are wrong, one of the most egregious name-jackers, one of the worst contributors to destructive discourse and one of the reasons the rules of this blog have been tightened.

If I ever jacked a name it was in direct response to someone jacking my name and was solely meant to deter the other person from continuing.

Show me ONE time that I EVER STARTED any name jacking and I will begone from here forever.

And that’s not a joke.

But back to my original subject, what is with the hysterical shrieking of this mental lightweight LHU?

Does yelling it at your monitor make it real?

Where’s your argument at, child?

Show me where I’m wrong or can you?

Doesn’t your brain handle information very well?

Can’t you string together an argument for your beliefs or is stupidly yelling all that you have for us?

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this

Al Qaeda Reddnekk,

How about this? It’s not Fallujah, but the story is the same.

Part I

{{From: Mayor of Tall ‘Afar, Ninewa, Iraq

In the Name of God the Compassionate and Merciful

To the Courageous Men and Women of the 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment, who have changed the city of Tal’ Afar from a ghost town, in which terrorists spread death and destruction, to a secure city flourishing with life.

To the lion-hearts who liberated our city from the grasp of terrorists who were beheading men, women and children in the streets for many months.

To those who spread smiles on the faces of our children, and gave us restored hope, through their personal sacrifice and brave fighting, and gave new life to the city after hopelessness darkened our days and stole our confidence in our ability to reestablish our city.

Our city was the main base of operations for Abu Mousab Al Zarqawi. The city was completely held hostage in the hands of his henchmen. Our schools, governmental services, businesses and offices were closed. Our streets were silent, and no one dared to walk them. Our people were barricaded in their homes out of fear; death awaited them around every corner.

Terrorists occupied and controlled the only hospital in the city. Their savagery reached such a level that they stuffed the corpses of children with explosives and tossed them into the streets in order to kill grieving parents attempting to retrieve the bodies of their young.

This was the situation of our city until God prepared and delivered unto them the courageous soldiers of the 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment, who liberated this city, ridding it of Zarqawi’s followers after harsh fighting, killing many terrorists, and forcing the remaining butchers to flee the city like rats to the surrounding areas, where the bravery of other 3d ACR soldiers in Sinjar, Rabiah, Zumar and Avgani finally destroyed them.

I have met many soldiers of the 3d Armored Cavalry Regiment; they are not only courageous men and women, but avenging angels sent by The God Himself to fight the evil of terrorism.}}

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

Al Qaeda Reddnekk,

Letter - Part II

{{The leaders of this Regiment; COL McMaster, COL Armstrong, LTC Hickey, LTC Gibson, and LTC Reilly embody courage, strength, vision and wisdom.

Officers and soldiers alike bristle with the confidence and character of knights in a bygone era. The mission they have accomplished, by means of a unique military operation, stands among the finest military feats to date in Operation Iraqi Freedom, and truly deserves to be studied in military science. This military operation was clean, with little collateral damage, despite the ferocity of the enemy. With the skill and precision of surgeons they dealt with the terrorist cancers in the city without causing unnecessary damage.

God bless this brave Regiment; God bless the families who dedicated these brave men and women. From the bottom of our hearts we thank the families. They have given us something we will never forget.

To the families of those who have given their holy blood for our land, we all bow to you in reverence and to the souls of your loved ones. Their sacrifice was not in vain. They are not dead, but alive, and their souls hovering around us every second of every minute. They will never be forgotten for giving their precious lives. They have sacrificed that which is most valuable. We see them in the smile of every child, and in every flower growing in this land. Let America, their families, and the world be proud of their sacrifice for humanity and life.

Finally, no matter how much I write or speak about this brave Regiment, I haven’t the words to describe the courage of its officers and soldiers. I pray to God to grant happiness and health to these legendary heroes and their brave families.

NAJIM ABDULLAH ABID AL-JIBOURI Mayor of Tall ‘Afar, Ninewa, Iraq }}

You’re welcome.

By KZ_Guy

November 22, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

Hey I Voted …. Why don’t you get a life? Do you not have anything better to do than type, type, type. Go stand on the street corner you might get someone to listen.

By Goldie

November 22, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this

“Goldie - Worster is not a word. “

Nomad— excuse me, I meant “worstest”!! :-)

By @@

November 22, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

Speaking of parties who approve of bribes, that would be the democrats in Washington.

Given that he was bounced from the bench by his congressional colleagues 18 years ago on bribery-related charges, Pelosi’s apparent embrace of the 70-year-old Hastings has unsettled many analysts.

You go Nancy! Make that Pelosi, not you ml.

By Peoples of a Nuked Amerika' Century

November 22, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

[What war did you serve in, cartoon boy?

How dare you question the motives of Mr. McCain, why, he’s got real Purple Hearts, not fake Band Aid ones.](http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/luckovich/entries/2006/11/22/military_planni.html#comment-826059)

LOL

Andy, Maybe you should tell that to Ann Coulter too.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter021100.asp

I can’t believe it! Is this the same Andy defending McCain that was once calling John a “Pinko” when McCain was fighting against Bush’s Torture and wiretapping policys?

Andy, now remind us again what war you served in as well!

Oh and how about YOUR policy of showing respect for other Real “War Heroes” like Murtha, and Georgia’s own war hero Max Cleland.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cocoon/vhp-stories/loc.natlib.afc2001001.03512/

No, you support ChickenHawks like Saxby Chambliss who lie and trash real war heroes like Cleland with their cheap comparisons to terrorist.

http://www.dscc.org/news/roundup/20060707_hitlerad/index.htm

“Pot to Kettle” yah pathetic neo-nutjob!

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

For instance:

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka’s Al Qaeda November 22, 2006 08:47 AM The Luckovich Blog - The Official Blog of the Special Olympics.

This person parades itself around as some kind of superior intellectual being, not having to prove anything, not having to share any of this supposed intelligence, just having to tell everyone how smart they are.

Now you tell me, has anyone ever seen anything more from this person than this stupid, childish bomb throwing?

Ever?

I sure would like to know exactly what gives this clown the ability to set themselves up on a pedestal and look down on the rest of us.

Or is that good enough for you people?

Is this what passes for intelligence in your shallow little world?

By Lord Help Us

November 22, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

Thanks Andy,

Didn’t think you had it in ya…

You condemn namejacking, yet you admit to it in the same post (but it’s okay for you since it’s always retaliatory…)

I am trying to maintain civility this am and will offer you yet another chance.

In addition to your admitted name-jacking, you also make reference to my ‘hysterical shrieking’ and something about yelling at the monitor.

Can you please explain how my comments at 8:48 amount to ‘hysterical shrieking’ and ‘yelling’ at the monitor?

By w00t

November 22, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

What ever happened to modesty and respect? Does no one see the utter madness of sitting around babbling about the mother of a person you don’t even know?

Wow, Andy, I mean WOW. You really want people to RESPECT you? WHY, why should people respect you when you spam the board with your filth and propaganda? Why should people respect you when you call others names and talk down to them? Because I sure can’t see it. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Maybe if you grew up a little and stopped spewing the same crap day after day and carried on a civilized conversation, then MAYBE, people could take you seriously.

Until then, get a life.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

The simpleness of a child:

[By Peoples of a Nuked Amerika’ Century November 22, 2006 09:27 AM What war did you serve in, cartoon boy?

I brought up YOUR argument in response to the cartoon, I’ve said many, many times that it is immature to limit the debate and the policy decisions of this country to those that have served.

And un American.

My whole point being and I guess I should have explained it as though I was talking to a small child, is that if Cindy Sheehan has “absolute morale authority” then what the F k does John McCain have??

Just because you are too stupid to follow along doesn’t mean you should point out your own ignorance.

By English Language Political Foreskin

November 22, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

The Shia Superstate and the Frog of War.

Shia Declaration of Independence: When In the Course of Human Events it becomes necessary for Shia to destroy Israel, We the Shia, in order to destroy israel, become one nation, under allah, and forge a new map of destiny: one in which Israel gets destroyed. Did we mention that we really feel that Israel needs to be destroyed? Oh yeah, face Mecca five times per day, and try to be nice to people. (After we destroy Israel of course. In fact anyone who worries about being nice to people before Israel is actually destroyed is an infidel!) So destroy Israel first, then be nice. Just making sure. Okay, then. Carry on. Let us pray: There is no god, but there is allah, and is that any way to start a prayer? I dont think so! who wrote that? I mean, we’re basically saying right out loud that there is no god. It doesn’t really matter what we say after that now does it? There is no god….but allah? That’s such a faux pas! Honestly. Did the Americans have to put up with this sort of thing when they wrote the Lord’s Prayer? Did anyone notice the part where they accuse god of leading them into temptation? I mean like that would happen! I dont know which is worse…” (quotes from the Iranian remake of “Dr Strangelove”, or “How I Learned to Stop Currying, and Love Islam”)

Why the Iraq War will spread: They dont just have 1K year old shia allegiences. They also have 10K year old ethnic-tribal alliances with neighboring countries. Every shia has a death-pledge-level blood-feud going with six or seven ancient tribes in every direction. (And that’s just between their wars, you should see them when they actually fight!)

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

Like talking to a child:

By Lord Help Us November 22, 2006 09:31 AM Can you please explain how my comments at 8:48 amount to ‘hysterical shrieking’ and ‘yelling’ at the monitor?

Sigh:

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It November 22, 2006 09:15 AM Where’s your argument at, child? Show me where I’m wrong or can you? Doesn’t your brain handle information very well? Can’t you string together an argument for your beliefs or is stupidly yelling all that you have for us?

If I’m wrong, little one, and listen up W00t, how exactly does yelling that I’m wrong at your monitor PROVE ANYTHING?????????????????

Or you totally beyond basic comprehension??????

By Lord Help Us

November 22, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

Maybe Andy can tell us again how much more dangerous it is in Atlanta than in Baghdad??

“Hundreds of bodies continued to appear in different areas of Baghdad handcuffed, blindfolded and bearing signs of torture and execution-style killing,” the U.N. Assistance Mission for Iraq report said. “Many witnesses reported that perpetrators wear militia attire and even police or army uniforms.”

This would be a nice bookend to have next to his conclusion about ALL the 50k ‘innocent’ civilians are really suicide bombers.

Inbetween these bookends we have his call condemnations and call for ‘modesty and respect.’

You can’t make this stuff up…

By Lord Help Us

November 22, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Your 9:42 is utterly incomprehensible. If there is a point to it, please elaborate.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

By Lord Help Us November 22, 2006 09:49 AM This would be a nice bookend to have next to his conclusion about ALL the 50k ‘innocent’ civilians are really suicide bombers.

Who do you think killed the “50,000” innocent civilians?

Are you trying to say that American soldiers intentionally targeted them?

By w00t

November 22, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

Actually, I’m not yelling. I’m laughing at what you do everyday. The fact at you trying to force feed everyone your crap everyday like it’s your god given right is very amusing. That’s why we live in the US, Andy, so that we can have different ideas and view points. You seem to forget that and expect everyone to act the way you do and have the same ideas as you do. Thank God we don not live in your fantasy world. Seems more akin to what you claim to hate the most which is Islamic-fascism.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

{{Apparently it doesn’t matter in his heart what destruction his son has brought on the entire world!}}

Goldie,

Do you live in a cave in Afghanistan? You didn’t see the tens of millions of women (and men) like you who are no longer slaves of the Taliban?

It’s safe to come out now Goldie. You could use the fresh air.

BTW, I can only imagine what you would have said about World War II. FDR lied and people died!

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

LHU,

Maybe you can tell us how “Islam” is a “religion of peace” and no different from Christianity because of the Spanish Inquisition and Sen. Byrd’s KKK wizardry.

Did this sort of torture go on during the American Civil War?

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

By Lord Help Us November 22, 2006 09:53 AM Andy, Your 9:42 is utterly incomprehensible. If there is a point to it, please elaborate.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It November 22, 2006 09:15 AM Are you totally beyond basic comprehension??????

Thanks for the answer, haha.

One more time:

Your post at 8:48 and W00t’s post at 9:33 can be summed up by saying “I don’t like what Andy is saying but I’m too stupid to dispute it, so Andy has to shut the fk up.”

If you can’t understand that, I have nothing else for you.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

By w00t November 22, 2006 10:01 AM You seem to forget that and expect everyone to act the way you do and have the same ideas as you do.

Are you talking to me or the mirror?

By Lord Help Us

November 22, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

Andy,

The fact that you have to intentionally misrepresent my posts indicates the weakness of your own position.

Please point out any post I have made that says US soldiers INTENTIONALLY targeted any of the 50K plus civilians that have died.

Most have died from the sectarian strife, but many have been victims of ‘collateral’ damage that is a direct result of our military operations.

Why do you need to make things up if you have a logical position?

By Lord Help Us

November 22, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Your summation at 10:06, - “I don’t like what Andy is saying but I’m too stupid to dispute it, so Andy has to shut the fk up” - is incorrect.

I am disputing your points that:

(1) Atlanta is more dangerous than Baghdad,

(2) that the tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis that have been killed in this war are ‘suicide bombers’ and

(3) that you are sincere in your call for ‘modesty and respect.’

That is nowhere near your summation that - “I don’t like what Andy is saying but I’m too stupid to dispute it, so Andy has to shut the fk up.”

What say you?

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

By Lord Help Us November 22, 2006 10:14 AM Andy, The fact that you have to intentionally misrepresent my posts indicates the weakness of your own position. Please point out any post I have made that says US soldiers INTENTIONALLY targeted any of the 50K plus civilians that have died.

I asked the question:

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Are}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} you trying to say that American soldiers intentionally targeted them?

And you still childishly haven’t answered it.

Not being able to admit that America has only accidentally killed people in a country that many of our soldiers have INTENTIANLLY GIVEN THEIR LIVES to free from tyranny is an abomination for a true American to even think.

What country are you calling in from?

By Lord Help Us

November 22, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

BD,

I cannot tell you - ‘how “Islam” is a “religion of peace” and no different from Christianity because of the Spanish Inquisition and Sen. Byrd’s KKK wizardry.’

I actually have no idea why that would be important to you or why you are requesting my opnion.

I can say that, historically, both religions have had moments that are not admirable and both have extreme elements that are perverted.

And, I am sure there was torture during the Civil War. It is one of the horrors of war and I cannot think of any reason to support torture when, at some point, our own soldiers may be subjected to the same techniques.

By BigDaddy

November 22, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

Ahhhh, SSDD…

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

Childish little games:

By Lord Help Us November 22, 2006 10:19 AM Andy, Your summation at 10:06, - “I don’t like what Andy is saying but I’m too stupid to dispute it, so Andy has to shut the fk up” - is incorrect. I am disputing your points that:

The post in question being:

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It November 22, 2006 09:15 AM One more time: Your post at {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{8:48}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Why are you dragging 10:06 into this?

It’s a immature playground tactic usually undertaken by a very small child to twist things around so they don’t have to admit guilt.

Which you did twice, child.

I’m through playing games with you if you can’t act like an adult, socialist, why don’t you go pound sand?

By BigDaddy

November 22, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

It’s cathartic, in a way, that BigDaddy can be gone for months at a go, and still return to the same vitriol. Refreshing, really…

By @@

November 22, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

Proof positive that America’s faithful are, in no way, radical extremists.

Iran cleric offers reward for Azeri writer’s death

You’re all still alive and well after two days of tyrranical attacks. No fatwas have been carried out against you.

Nancy Pelosi is doing a hastily “heckuva job Hastings” for your party however.

By BigDaddy

November 22, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

Lord Help Us, your dedication to moral equivalency to truly to be commended…

By Jenn

November 22, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla, Yum!!! Lets not forget the salt and pepper as well as the miracle whip!

By Lord Help Us

November 22, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

Andy,

In response to your 10:30 saying -

‘I asked the question:

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Are}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} you trying to say that American soldiers intentionally targeted them?

And you still childishly haven’t answered it.’ -

I have responded to this previously and most recently at 10:14, approximately 16 minutes before you stated that ‘And you still childishly haven’t answered it.’

Oh, and I am calling from the good ol’ US of A.

I love this country!

By N-GA

November 22, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

McCain was doing alright when he was running against Dubya…he actually opposed Dubya’s positions on many issues. Then he is told that he is Dubya’s heir-apparent (IF he toes the line). And toe the line he does.

Now Mr. McCain, Senator Hagel says: “General Abizaid noted that when he was here last week before the Senate Armed Services Committee. We don’t have the troops.” He went on to say: “We went in completely undermanned, under-managed. We didn’t understand what we were getting into. We didn’t have the plans. We should have gone in with three times the troops that we had.” He wrapped up his comments with: “There’s not going to be a military resolution that decides the outcome of Iraq. It will be a political solution. It will include the Iraqi people, countries like Iran, Syria, Jordan and other countries around it.”

Working with Syria and Iran to solve a problem he created…that must be tough for Dubya to swallow. Why don’t you give him lessons, Andy. While you’re at it Lying Andy, say you’re sorry. You are SORRY, aren’t you?

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

LHU,

I asked, because you posted a story about people being tortured and killed in Iraq.

That is the nature of the enemy we face. Was that your point?

Instead of the unrelenting Bush-bashing, America-bashing, Christian-bashing, shouldn’t we be focusing on the ideology that creates these monsters?

Why do you persist in implying that our soldiers, under the command of our President, intentionally target innocent Iraqis?

How about some praise for America for a change? Thanksgiving is a good time to recall the numerous blessings which we all enjoy.

By Lord Help Us

November 22, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

Well Andy, I tried…

Can I assume from your 10:35 that you really were not sincere in your call for ‘modesty and respect?’

Also, I have not seen any response re: your other questionable conclusion about how ATL is more dangerous than Baghdad or how all the 50k plus innocent Iraqis that have died were ‘suicide bombers.’

BTW: Your 10:35 appears to be a desperate attempt at obfuscation.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

{{Seems more akin to what you claim to hate the most which is Islamic-fascism}}

WooT,

Wake up and grow up WooT. What you are charging is beyond silly - it is dangerous propaganda. Do you have a CLUE what IslamoFascism is about? Here’s a hint -

Have you ever heard of The Seige of Beslan?

The official death toll at School No. 1 in Beslan stood yesterday at 335, more than one-tenth the number who died in the terrorist attacks on America three years ago this week. One hundred fifty-six were children—boys and girls taken hostage when they arrived for their first day of the new school year. Before their slaughter, by rigged explosives or sniper fire, their captors denied them so much as a sip of water.

The depravity of this is hard to believe, but believe it we must. For it is the new reality of this current age in which innocents are specifically targeted by Muslim terrorists in the name of some Islamic cause

How about the slaughter of Daniel Pearl?

On February 21, 2002, a videotape titled “The Slaughter of the Spy-Journalist, the Jew Daniel Pearl” was released. The video shows Pearl’s mutilated body and lasts three minutes and thirty-six seconds…

Published reports say that a technical error prevents the first slashing of Pearl’s throat from being captured on film. In the video, Pearl’s body is shown naked from the waist up with his throat slit at about 1 minute and 55 seconds into the video. A man then cuts his head off. A few more images, such as captives held at Guantanamo Bay, are shown near the image of Pearl’s head. The last 90 seconds of the video show the list of demands scrolling, superimposed on an image of Pearl’s severed head being held by the hair.

By I Vote for War But It's Too Scary for Me

November 22, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

Me - poor little sweet Andi/e - too scared to go to war.

But I vote for it. And I am a good Christian and a fine American.

By Jenn

November 22, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

Goldie, Is “worster” a word?

By Goldie

November 22, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

I love the state of Oregon— the citizens there are smart and they have a working election system that GA could learn from:

Oregon shows mail voting works

No unpaid time off from work, no waiting in long lines, no electronic voting machines that have no ability to perform a recount, no voter ID problems, no need to find babysitters, etc……

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

Let’s put an end to this moral equivalency now.

Decapitation by sword has in modern times occurred in jurisdictions subject to Islamic Sharia, and by militant Islamists during the US-led occupation of Iraq. As of 2005, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Qatar all had laws allowing decapitation, but only Saudi Arabia was known to practice the sentence. Militant Islamic groups have, in recent years, begun carrying out beheadings with small knives, some as small as pocket knives. Curiously, these “beheadings” begin with cutting the throat, then slowly hacking away at the spine. Historically, most methods of beheading use a heavy, sharp steel blade, cutting through the neck from behind, which quickly severs the spine, then cuts the blood vessels, trachea, and esophagus. The gangs’ frontal approach more closely resembles Dhabiĥa (a method used to slaughter animals, thereby rendering the meat hallal), whose goal is to drain all the blood from the animal as quickly as possible: ritual slaughter doesn’t require decapitation; only draining all the blood.

Why is it that the only complaints that I ever hear from this Left in this country is from PETA when they complain about the treatment of turkeys?

By Lord Help Us

November 22, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

BD,

Again I am not sure why you are asking the question - ‘Why do you persist in implying that our soldiers, under the command of our President, intentionally target innocent Iraqis?’

I have stated again and again that most of these deaths have been due to sectarian strife, but that many of these deaths are also due to ‘collateral damage’ from US military operations.

Why does this lead you to conclude that I am implying that ‘under the command of our President, intentionally target innocent Iraqis?

And, why do you have a compelling need to deliberately misrepresent my posts?

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

By N-GA November 22, 2006 10:42 AM Working with Syria and Iran to solve a problem he created…that must be tough for Dubya to swallow.

Based on the results of the midterm elections. Which way did you vote, Stroker, to bomb Iran and Syria?

Why don’t you give him lessons, Andy. While you’re at it Lying Andy, say you’re sorry. You are SORRY, aren’t you?

What the fk is this all about, why can’t you liberals string together 3 paragraphs without going off the deep end?

Is this all you got, personal attacks on people you don’t even know?

Totally insane.

By Jenn

November 22, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

Goldie, I don’t think “worstest” is a word either….

By BigDaddy

November 22, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

Jenn, BigDaddy thinks Goldie meant to say, “worsterest,” which is, most definantly, a word.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

As a means to end the great big socialist circle jerk that LHU has childishly embarked on, let me throw the decision into the hands off the whole blog:

Am I off base to suggest that LHU has implied that American soldiers are wantonly and intentionally killing innocent people in Iraq?

You tell me what this statement implies:

By Lord Help Us November 22, 2006 09:49 AM This would be a nice bookend to have next to his conclusion about ALL the 50k ‘innocent’ civilians are really suicide bombers.

By @@

November 22, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

Aaaaahhhh, Big Daddy returns for the refreshing vitriol. Nobody brings it better than Big Daddy when provoked.

Hi Big Daddy, it’s OO. Unfortunately I must leave for now.

Let the fun begin. I’ll miss it.

Boo Hoo!

By Lord Help Us

November 22, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

Andy,

In your 11:07, can you identify any evidence you have that would make you lable me a ‘socialist?’

Also, I can only assume you are spead a little thin this am. The statement you linked was questioning ((YOUR)) conclusion that the 50k plus innocent civilians killed in Iraq were ‘suicide bombers.’

I have never stated or inferred intent and have characterized these innocent civilians on multiple occasions as ‘collateral damage’ resulting from US military operations.

Do you dispute this fact?

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

Same exact thing with the Atlanta Urinal, every day we get a staged picture of an Iraqi funeral with 4 or 5 stories below it talking of individual American crimes or some French pervert blaming America for something, is the implication not being made that American soldiers are murderers?

When we all know that Al Qaeda is the ones killing the innocents?

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

LHU,

The post from YOU at 9:48 that Andy just highlighted at 11:07 is where I drew that amazing conclusion.

Of course there is “collateral damage”. It’s a freaking war. What’s your point other than to taint our military?

You can’t tell me why it matters to me, you, or the whole world why Islam is not a “religion of peace”, but you can give us data about civilian casualties with no problem.

If you want to amend that post so that there is no question as to what you mean, feel free to do so…

Right now too many “buts” are coming through.

By BigDaddy

November 22, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

OO, BigDaddy is blowing you kisses and throwing rose petals in your wake…

By N-GA

November 22, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

I think LHU didn’t imply anything. What he was saying is that there are many thousands (some say more than 100,000) Iraqis who would be alive today if Bush had not invaded Iraq.

BTW Lying Andy, you posted: “Not being able to admit that America has only accidentally killed people in a country that many of our soldiers have INTENTIANLLY GIVEN THEIR LIVES to free from tyranny is an abomination for a true American to even think.” Did you conveniently forget the American soldiers who have been found guilty of murdering civilian Iraqis?

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

Thanks for proving my point, moron. You may want to let LHU speak for himself.

By Peoples of a Nuked Amerika' Century

November 22, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish says:

Instead of the unrelenting Bush-bashing, America-bashing, Christian-bashing, shouldn’t we be focusing on the ideology that creates these monsters?

I now resppond:

The Ideology that creates these monsters, is any religeon on the face of the planet! Fanatics are Fanatics no matter what banner they carry!

By You're All Losers

November 22, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

I just barfed in my mouth reading this blog.

Losers.

By Goldie

November 22, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Big Daddy— so who do you think would be the “worsterest” president, Dubya or Manchurian McCain?

By Lord Help Us

November 22, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

BD,

I will speak for myself, but before you pounce on anyone, please read your friends’ request for opinions and do not assume that N-GA was talking to you.

Alas, I must head to serene surroundings before traffic is impenetrable, but I will try to catch up in a few hours…

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

What a sad world these people must live in:

By N-GA November 22, 2006 11:27 AM Did you conveniently forget the American soldiers who have been found guilty of murdering civilian Iraqis?

1 or 2 out of the over 300,000 that have bravely served, risking their lives to free that country from a mass murdering dictator.

Congratulations to you on the one or two, loser.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

LHU,

I realize that N-GA was not talking to me, but he was talking for you.

By BigDaddy

November 22, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Goldie, my worsterest nightmare would be a Hell-Cat Clinton/Johnny Mac twofer (not too implausible in that Johnny Mac is secretly a tax-and-spender who has no respect for the Constitution). They could then complete our slinking into Dante’s Ninth ring by nominating Big Billy as SecState and Lurch With A Hat (aka John Kerry) as SecDef. It’d be either the best sitcom ever or the worst tragedy BigDaddy has ever seen…

Thanks for asking!

By HumanisticJones

November 22, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

I’ve seen a number of posts in this blog today dealing with the idea of a “religion of peace”. I’ll probably suprise the conservatives here when I say that I do not believe that Islam is spotless, containing only messages of peace and love. While it certainly contains messages that evoke the ideals of peace (Koran 5:32, 41:34, 109:1, 6) there are almost immediate detractions back to doom to the non-believer (2:39, 2:90, 5:33<-my favorite since the previous verse said that any man that kills another man has sinned most terribly, and now we are told that non-believers should face terrible death). Historically, Islam has had its moments of good times and its moments of showing that they can be expert biggots. So no, not a religion of peace. More accurately, Islam is a religion about a god and his prophets.

I don’t feel that one can find a revealed religion that is a “religion of peace”. See, the problem inherent in revealed religions facilitating peace is that part of being a Rev. Religion is believing that you have the actual true message and that everyone else is wrong. Compound onto that that in the revealed monotheisms the usual prescription for the non-believer is exile or death, no religion that claims divine revelation can truely be said to be a religion of peace.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

{{This was supposed to come before 11:22, I don’t know why it didn’t:}}

Let me take this a step further:

We have evidence of Hezbollah setting up their attacks on Israel in areas with high civilian populations, in some cases even preventing civilians from leaving those areas, so that when Israel defended itself, innocent women and children would be killed.

I’m willing to go out on a limb and say that Al Qaeda, suicide bombing terrorists that hijack planes full of innocent civilians and fly them into buildings full of innocent civilians, would use this tactic against American soldiers.

So here we have useful idiot LHU, safely protected by American soldiers, propagandizing for Al Qaeda by blaming the murders that Al Qeada committed on America and it’s soldiers.

Now if you’re Al Qaeda suicide bomber would you not think that this stupid left wing subversion was great, that it was helping you to win the war? And what would you do knowing all this?

Kill more innocent civilians.

I’ve said this before, I say it again- The pervert left wing in America, with their degenerate blame the United States bullsh-it has caused more innocent civilians to be killed than our army has ever accidentally killed.

Al Qaeda has turned manipulating the pinkos in America into a war tactic and innocent people get killed every day because of it.

That’s the real outrage.

By Mrs. Godzilla

November 22, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

Jenn,

With a side of Granny’s spicey cole slaw and the rest of the green olives.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

Nuked brains,

Without the help of any “religeon” (rhymes with “pigeon”) the words you “spew” could be considered “fanatical”.

These men were our Founding Fathers. Tell us which of them were “fanatics”.

By Thomas

November 22, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

Yet again we see him churn..

Andy still thinks we killed all those Iraqi’s to liberate them. How noble! 100,000 Iraqi’s were successfully liberated alright! And we keep on liberating them every day!

Buy Danish.

Islam and Christianity both worship the same god. Jesus is held in high esteem in Islam. Both religeons and their holy books have verses dedicated to peace and good will, and yet both also have verses of extremism of death and horror.

The Torah, The Koran, and even The Bible can be faulted for many evil deeds done in the name of God! But at the same time all three can be used to do good on this earth as well.

If you think we Christians are without our extremist fanatics, then I will remind you of “Branch Dividians”, “Jim Jones”, “Abortion Doctor Assassins”, “Reverend Moon”, “Eric Rudolph” and Hitler Himself!

That choice to do the right thing comes from the individual and their personal morality and honor.

I seriously suggest you read this before spouting off your lack of knowledge about Islam. And pay close attention to the part about Zakat (Under the five pillars section)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam

As stated before I am a Methodist and do worship god, but if there is ever to be peace on this earth, it will be because we know and forgive our enemys. That starts with knowing why they do what they do!

Thomas

By Truthman

November 22, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

To today’s venter who wrote, “President Bush will be remembered as one of our smartest presidents…”

You set the bar extremely low, don’t you?

Remember, you can’t spell “W” without “Duh!!”

By RW-(the original)

November 22, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

LHU,

When you do find your way to the serene traffic free paradise you’re seeking, N-GA has muddied your argument considerably.

You will now have to clarify whether you think the American military has slaughtered the arbitrarily picked number of 50,000 Iraqis or whether that has been primarily through outside force. Then you’ll have to tell us whether you really are saying what N-GA claims you’re saying, that all Iraqis would be living in peace and harmony if President Bush wouldn’t have taken away their beloved Saddam.

Hopefully you’ll get the chance to answer for yourself.

By HumanisticJones

November 22, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

I’ve seen a number of posts in this blog today dealing with the idea of a “religion of peace”. I’ll probably suprise the conservatives here when I say that I do not believe that Islam is spotless, containing only messages of peace and love. While it certainly contains messages that evoke the ideals of peace (Koran 5:32, 41:34, 109:1, 6) there are almost immediate detractions back to doom to the non-believer (2:39, 2:90, 5:33<-my favorite since the previous verse said that any man that kills another man has sinned most terribly, and now we are told that non-believers should face terrible death). Historically, Islam has had its moments of good times and its moments of showing that they can be expert biggots. So no, not a religion of peace. More accurately, Islam is a religion about a god and his prophets.

I don’t feel that one can find a revealed religion that is a “religion of peace”. See, the problem inherent in revealed religions facilitating peace is that part of being a Rev. Religion is believing that you have the actual true message and that everyone else is wrong. Compound onto that that in the revealed monotheisms the usual prescription for the non-believer is exile or death, no religion that claims divine revelation can truely be said to be a religion of peace.

By Goldie

November 22, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

“Goldie, my worsterest nightmare would be a Hell-Cat Clinton/Johnny Mac twofer”

BigDaddy— seeing as how you didn’t answer my original question, I’ll just mark you down as believing Dubya to be the worsterest president ever!

By Jenn

November 22, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish, what is a Huguenot? Serious question.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

Compound onto that that in the revealed monotheisms the usual prescription for the non-believer is exile or death, no religion that claims divine revelation can truely be said to be a religion of peace.

H. Jones,

You’ll have to fill me in as to what Christian church in this country has killed anyone for apostasy - say since the dawn of the 20th Century.

Let’s not forget how many millions of people who have been slaughtered from the secular inspiration of Marx and Stalin - to name a few.

By BigDaddy

November 22, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Goldie, you may do no such thing. It’s not nice to put words in other’s mouths. There have been quite a few POTI (is that the plural of POTUS?) far worsterester than Bush.

By HumanisticJones

November 22, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

“Now if you’re Al Qaeda suicide bomber would you not think that this stupid left wing subversion was great, that it was helping you to win the war?” & “The pervert left wing in America, with their degenerate blame the United States bullsh-it has caused more innocent civilians to be killed than our army has ever accidentally killed.”

The problem I have with this logic is that it seems to imply that our enemies wouldn’t be doing this without civil dissent. The wonderful thing about being a religious fanatic is that no matter what your enemy does, there is a way to twist it to your ends. If we had not had a single war-detractor, a single negative comment on the war, I feel that our fanatic enemies would have been just as emboldened by our actions. They probably would have viewed it as America being so pridefull of our heretical beliefs that we could not possibly be saved and shown the righteous way. What would they have done then? Just killed more innocent civilians.

You can blame the problems on liberal detraction and civil dissobediance, but we are not fighting a political or nationalist ideology as we were in Vietnam or WW2. We are fighting a group who is convinced their actions are righteous by a system that has no logical basis, a religion (this is not an insult to religion, it is merely a fact, that religions are based on faith not logic). You don’t win against a religious ideology by standing strong behind an opposite ideology (polarizes their resolve), you overcome a religious fanatic by cutting out his powerbase through secular education and cultural deprogramming. Without followers the fanatic and his religion are left to collapse like so many others through history have.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

I don’t need to take a course in comparative religion from an ignoramus like you. All I need to do is read the freaking newspaper and have a rudimentary knowledge of American and World history.

Hitler was raised a Christian, but he did not embrace Christianity as the Fuhrer and one of the first things the Nazis did was murder Priests. He did embrace Darwinism and used it as an excuse to slaughter Jews.

As far as I know the Reverend Moon has not killed anyone so that is about as lame an example as even a garden variety idiot like you could come up with. The other people you name are a few isolated kooks.

For one last time, show me where there is a movement in contemporary Christianity to brutally slaughter every innocent person on the planet who is an “infidel” and establish a world wide equivalent to a “caliphate”.

You can’t so please put a lid on your endlessly ignorant babbling.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

Let me guess, this isn’t an implication that American soldiers are killing civilians either:

By Thomas November 22, 2006 12:07 PM Andy still thinks we killed all those Iraqi’s to liberate them. How noble! 100,000 Iraqi’s were successfully liberated alright! And we keep on liberating them every day!

And let’s talk about blooming idiots:

If you think we Christians are without our extremist fanatics, then I will remind you of “Branch Dividians”, “Jim Jones”, “Abortion Doctor Assassins”, “Reverend Moon”, “Eric Rudolph” and Hitler Himself!

Would anybody like to tell me what the “Branch Davidians” did in the name of Christ that was so bad, other than Bill Clinton and Janet Reno murdering 80 of their children?

WTF?

Hitler? You have to be a total wanker, just as dumb as fck.

Was Christ not a Jew?

WTF?

Ignorance, just unbelievable ignorance.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

H. Jones,

I don’t have the time to parse your BS line by line right now, but let’s just say that your 12:25 is completely FOS, including the ridiculous claim that we are not fighting a political ideology.

Unfreaking believable.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Way to go, HJ:

By HumanisticJones November 22, 2006 12:25 PM The problem I have with this logic is that it seems to imply that our enemies wouldn’t be doing this without civil dissent. The wonderful thing about being a religious fanatic is that no matter what your enemy does, there is a way to twist it to your ends.

Well, let’s just see what the “enemy” says about it:

Al Qaeda and its global Islamic terrorist affiliates came to the conclusion that America’s weakness stemmed from a post-Vietnam conviction that required future wars to be short, antiseptic and casualty free. Bin Laden summed up his perception of Americans in an interview with ABC News reporter John Miller, published in Esquire in 1998: “After leaving Afghanistan, the Muslim fighters headed for Somalia and prepared for a long battle thinking that the Americans were like the Russians. The youth were surprised at the low morale of the American soldiers and realized, more than before, that the American soldier was a paper tiger and after a few blows……would run in defeat.”

Does anything that comes out of your long winded pompous mouth even resemble the truth?

You’re the fking fanatic, why don’t you go abuse yourself somewhere else?

By HumanisticJones

November 22, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

By Buy Danish “You’ll have to fill me in as to what Christian church in this country has killed anyone for apostasy - say since the dawn of the 20th Century.”

Firstly, in the US it is illeagal for you to kill someone outside the grounds of a state execution, so I doubt that anyone would really try to persue that here. I don’t have to have an organized group to claim that Christianity is not a religion of peace. I can pull verse from the Bible that substansiate this claim (and I will use the new testament since I have encountered many that say I can’t use the old testament in these arguements).

Mark 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.(is that Kill the infidel I see there?)

Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.(only being christian will save people from a “wrath to come”?)

Titus 1:10-11 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.(we must stop the filthy Jews!)

Not a very peaceful sounding world view when the non-believers are destined to torture, damnation and ostricization. If it is such a “religion of peace” why is it that many Christians are looking forward to the end of the world, which will be wrought with terrible wars and suffering?

By HumanisticJones

November 22, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

To clarify, this is not a political ideology in the sense of why one group is better suited to make decisions from a socio-economic standpoint as democracy, oligarcy, plutocracy, or monarcy are. Yes they are a theocratic political ideology, they already know that the Koran is the best source of political advice, and they know just the right verses to back up their crap. The problem then lies in the Theology of the theocracy.

Sorry if I misstated there.

By Diogenes

November 22, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

Your comment, “For one last time, show me where there is a movement in contemporary Christianity to brutally slaughter every innocent person on the planet who is an “infidel” and establish a world wide equivalent to a “caliphate” is valid, but it is more because of the balance which Western Democracies have achieved between the law (which is secular) and the Church. Our courts are secular, not religious. Because they are, Church members can be guilty of violating the law. Setting up a militia is illegal; therefore, churches can’t set up their equivalent of the brown shirts, although I have encountered a few in my life who would have liked to do so. Because the Eastern countries which oppose us are theocracies, they lack the conscience imposed by our secular legal system.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

What a total jerk off:

By HumanisticJones November 22, 2006 12:43 PM Not a very peaceful sounding world view when the non-believers are destined to torture, damnation and ostricization. If it is such a “religion of peace” why is it that many Christians are looking forward to the end of the world, which will be wrought with terrible wars and suffering?

So the gates of Heaven should be thrown open for any murdering pervert that happens along?

There should be no punishment for wrong doing?

WTF?

You are an absolute sh-it for brains, seriously, man.

How the hell anybody can compare murdering on Earth in the name of Religion to punishment due of those same murderers is just completely unreal for anyone to even suggest.

Think about what this waste is saying, murder is wrong but God should accept all murderers into Heaven regardless.

You are so fked up, man.

By Diogenes

November 22, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

got to go put up books

By Flibberdigibbit

November 22, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

As much machismo as McCain’s having been a POW seems to convey, do we really want our troops or military being perpetuated by someone who was captured and abused by the enemy?

As noble and sympathetic as it may seem, shell-shock just isn’t an attribute for political or military leadership.

By RE

November 22, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

Hey big daddy, just curious, which presidents have been worse than W?

By Flibberdigibbit

November 22, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

OK, since we’ve digressed from the original subject, everyone Google “immanentize the eschaton”, then respond about whose actions in Washington, Colorado Springs, and Virginia Beach this most-exemplifies.

By RE

November 22, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

Do you think you are going to heaven Andy?

Do you think you have lead a Christ-like life, or that the things you say are Christ-like?

By rushncap

November 22, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

HJ: the solution that Danish seems to propose to our situation is quite lovely, isn’t it? She claims that we are being attacked by Muslims for our liberties. Her solution is for America to become less democratic, stifle dissention, stifle choice. I guess she thinks that if we become a Christian version of Pakistan the Islamic terrorists will feel a kinship with us and stop attacking us. Gotta bow down to her brilliance.

By Goldie

November 22, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

“I’d much rather have a free, sovereign Iraq, where the people can enjoy the same liberties that Americans take for granted, as the “monument” to those who have sacrificed their lives for the Iraqi people.”

Noble Andy— so when is it that you believe the Iraqi “people can enjoy the same liberties that Americans take for granted”… sometime in this century?

By getalife

November 22, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

After yesterday’s meltdown, it is easy to see that Andy will burn in hell.

Killing in God’s name is the biggest sin of all.

Check out the Bush family’s karma lately.

Bad karma.

By Quit bickering for today and give thanks

November 22, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

Faith is strong belief and a direct connect to God, be it my God or your God. Through faith, God himself can correct us from bad behavior and the influence of the ultimate enemy, Satan (the liar spirit).

Religion however is weak belief, encouraged by Satan (the liar spirt) through false sacredness, limited understanding and misdirected dependance on Earthly things (Bible, Koran, Patriotism, National Interest, War, Retaliation). Through religion, some people adopt these “things” as God and then seek to control God and others through them.

Faith unites. Religion divides.

Truly the kingdom of heaven, on which Jesus spoke, is not of this earth. It is not in the pages of any book or ancient sacred artifact. It is in the heart of the living God, which he shares through faith, and not through any religion.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

By RE November 22, 2006 01:27 PM Do you think you are going to heaven Andy?

REbot: Take your comedy channel understanding of Religion and stick it in your a-ss.

By Flibberdigibbit

November 22, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

Ragnarök! Ragnarök! Ragnarök!

By RE

November 22, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Here you go BD, Family values from Secular China. Interesting way for the state to intervene in the free market

By HumanisticJones

November 22, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

QB, that is actually a very touching sentiment. I haven’t heard someone able to explain faith without diving head first into soliplism and divined absolutism. Bravo on that.

Andy, now on to your wonderfully civil rebutal to my statements earlier.

So the gates of Heaven should be thrown open for any murdering pervert that happens along?

I never said that. I simply stated that I can’t find a message of peace and love in a religion that damns 80% of the world to hell on the simple notion that they aren’t christian. There are alot of people that aren’t murderous perverts that are also not of any Abrahamic faith.

There should be no punishment for wrong doing?

Oh there should be plenty of punishment for wrong-doing, any Humanist will agree with that. Murder, oppression, rape, etc. These are crime that violate the very spirit of human kinship and should never have a blind eye turned to them. I’ve stood by the descision to depose Theocratic fanatical leaders since we started this war.

How the hell anybody can compare murdering on Earth in the name of Religion to punishment due of those same murderers is just completely unreal for anyone to even suggest.

Once again, not every non-christian (who are all damned to hell anyway) are going around murdering for their god. I’m not blowing up people in the name of the Higher Cause, but by the way you interpret my statements, its clear that you assume I am. Why?

Think about what this waste is saying, murder is wrong but God should accept all murderers into Heaven regardless.

And think of what you are saying. Finite crime deserves infinite punishment? Even the most horrifying crimes must have a way to pay back the people that were hurt. Sure, on earth sometime the only closure is the death of the perpetrator, but to think that a being like god wouldn’t be able to reform a soul after death is to say that god is not all-powerful and needs a place to dump his mistakes.

You are so fked up, man.

Subjective reality my friend. I can’t argue with what you think I am. But I can continue to publicly disagree with your points.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

By Quit bickering for today and give thanks November 22, 2006 01:44 PM Faith unites. Religion divides.

The Church is the Body of Christ, homey.

REbot: I owe you more of an answer to your 1:27, I suppose I did get a little short the first time round (-;

That is not my decision to make; all I can do is follow the Teachings of Christ, one of them being not to hang out in political blogs lashing out at God so that I can gain favor in the eyes of a few stupid pinko liberals.

Throwing away Eternal Life over the fleeting pleasures and prestige of this failed world, what a bunch of losers.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

By HumanisticJones November 22, 2006 02:14 PM I never said that. I simply stated that I can’t find a message of peace and love in a religion that damns 80% of the world to hell on the simple notion that they aren’t christian. There are alot of people that aren’t murderous perverts that are also not of any Abrahamic faith.

The whole basis of Faith is to choose Eternal Life of your own free will.

I know you can’t understand that concept because your belief system is rooted in the realities of a world with a very definitive end.

God created us for His companionship. He did not want a bunch of mindless robots like RE, that’s why we have free will, it is your choice to accept or reject God.

What’s the whole purpose of right or wrong if everyone is promised to Heaven and there are no consequences to your actions?

You have a very complicated simplistic view of things, in other words you’re making this more elaborate than it really is.

By Quit bickering for today and give thanks

November 22, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

Churchs are buildings. Nothing more.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for justice…..ever read that?

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

By Quit bickering for today and give thanks November 22, 2006 02:36 PM Churchs are buildings. Nothing more. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for justice…..ever read that?

Yes, it’s in the Bible of my Religion that I worship at my Church, why?

By HumanisticJones

November 22, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

Actually, I understand faith pretty well. I was raised in a Christian family and once followed that faith. However, by my own experiences I came to see that the only reason I was Christian was that I was, by random chance, born into a Christian Family. Had I been born in India, I probably would have been Hindu… and so on. To cut a long story on my seeking meaning down, I found that with all the faiths in the world that centered around their constructed holy books and rituals, I couldn’t trust any of them to be true.

I still have faith in the soul, in god, and the eternality of existance, but I do it without the trappings of books and buildings that claim to be holy things.

What’s the whole purpose of right or wrong if everyone is promised to Heaven and there are no consequences to your actions? The point is that while we are alive, we know that we can feel joy and suffering. We like to be happy and never want to suffer or feel pained. It is in that thought, that I resolve not to harm others, steal, or kill. I would not want any of these things done to me, so I seek to not have them done to others, in my faith in humanity’s capacity to return good with good.

It is complicated, and it is simplistic, both at once but in different areas, but to me this way is better than the laws of ancient societies trumped up with self-riteousness and divinity.

You keep believing in your god and trying to convince me I’m wrong and I’ll do the same. I really think that helps both sides out in the end, it makes us think.

By rushncap

November 22, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

Ooooh, li’l andy the theologian. This is priceless.

By not andy

November 22, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

QB, Very well said. Hatred is for the religious, not the faithful.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

H. Jones,

Read this about the Episcopal Church before you quote passages from the Bible again and make sweeping generalizatons that presume an anachronistic adherence to the Old and New Testament by the men who founded this Country and by successive generations.

However, while the Bible is able to communicate values and truths that are eternal, it also contains much that is limited to the particular historical time in which or about which various books were written. For example, the Bible for the most part endorses slavery, which modern Jews and Christians now find immoral. Likewise, the Bible requires the observance of certain rules and regulations which many Jews and all Christians no longer feel bound by. Many of the debates in the church today revolve around the question of the authority of the Bible, and over what is eternal truth and what is limited to a particular time and place. Episcopalians believe that the Bible must be interpreted to be understood, and we believe that the Bible should be interpreted according to the tradition of the church (what Christians have believed through the ages) and according to reason (the human capacity to think things out in light of their life experiences)

RE,

WTF is your point about the way they do things in China, except to prove that we are a better country?

By Dubya

November 22, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

And so once again we must add to the annuls of history more great words spoken by great minds. “We’ll succeed if we don’t quit.” The shear simplicity and deep meaning of those words shall forever ring forth ever so clearly into eternity itself. God Bless Murcuh!

By Thomas

November 22, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

Back from Lunch -

Here yah go - For Andy and the Danish he rode in on!

http://www.evilbible.com/hitlerwaschristian.htm

Buy Danish said: For one last time, show me where there is a movement in contemporary Christianity to brutally slaughter every innocent person on the planet who is an “infidel” and establish a world wide equivalent to a “caliphate”.

You can’t so please put a lid on your endlessly ignorant babbling.

—=—

Yes you are right! Especially since you are putting narrowing restrictions on it, of course I can’t! But you already knew that! But without such restrictions there are many cases in Christianity (as stated before).

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

But - Buy Danish here are some modern day examples of calls to kill muslims from conservatives and Christians!

http://www.baptiststandard.com/postnuke/index.php?module=htmlpages&func=display&pid=2518

http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/newssyndication/article060223nigeria.shtml

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/28/104445/218

http://mediamatters.org/items/200604190001

Or BD you can just listen to Andy anytime he spouts his hate rhetoric about wiping them out with Nukes!

Andy! David and the Branch Dividians had a nice stockpile of gasoline in that building that lit up. And I also remind you that they shot first and killed the FBI agents that initially raided the place with warrants of weapons violations in accordance with USA laws.

Andy - one of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse! And Buy Danish - Just the Horse!

Thomas

By Dubya

November 22, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

And so once again we must add to the annuls of history more great words spoken by great minds. “We’ll succeed if we don’t quit.” The shear simplicity and deep meaning of those words shall forever ring forth ever so clearly into eternity itself. God Bless Murcuh!

By 74 tears

November 22, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

Luck, you are totally misrepresenting McCains position and youknow it. I guess you are not as much of a “deep thinker” as your fellow leftists.You at least know better , you just pretend otherwise to make your argument.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

HJ: And if you’re wrong?

I know you have thoughts and feelings that guide your beliefs, however wrong they may be, and I can respect that.

But you seem like you are on a mission to corrupt as many people as you possibly can with these incorrect thoughts of yours. It’s like you are trying to gain favor in the eyes of morons like rushncrap at the expense of your eternal soul and the eternal life of others.

That’s a hell of a crap shoot, be the talk of the scurrilous little pinko nation for 85 fleeting years versus being Loved by God for Eternity.

Gee, I’ll have to think on that one, sarcasm!!

Almost anywhere that Christ is witnessed the native peoples drop their mystical silly beliefs and convert to Christianity (worshipping a cow, come on.) It’s a simple indisputable fact. And you are absolutely right to be angry that not everyone of this world knows Christ and will perish because of it.

But it is of our duty to teach of Christ, to shine His Name into the darkest of places. Don’t feel angry, enlighten those you are worried about.

You seem to have moved in the opposite direction, that being liberal secularism, where the planet and the forests are what is to be worshipped.

Think about this for a second; erase all signs of human activity from the Earth or go to a totally undisturbed place. Now look at each object and ask yourself how does this benefit the life of a human being. Do not trees provide us shelter and warmth? Does the grass not feed the food the nourishes us? Everything was put here with the sole purpose to sustain God’s children. Are we not the superior beings on this Earth?

We are in no way “equal” to oxen or the forest or what ever the hell these freaky liberals believe, it’s just so comical to even think that.

This whole entire Earth, this being that Is, has a purpose and that is to sustain the creation of human spirits until such time as they pass into being Heavenly Spirits.

And I’m not at all afraid to bet my life on it.

By N-GA

November 22, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

Hey R(eal) W(anker),

It always amuses me when you show yourself to be a complete idiot in front of all these bloggers. When you attempted to “interpret” what I said about LHU’s post, you did so with a mouth full of smegma. Anyone who goes to the trouble of reading my post, then reading your “interpretation” will quickly identify you as a Joseph Goebbels wannabe.

Bi-Danish, Your 11:38 post earns you a STFU. I was asked personally by Lying Andy for my opinion about LHU’s comments about the Iraqi dead. Andy posted:”As a means to end the great big socialist circle jerk that LHU has childishly embarked on, let me throw the decision into the hands off the whole blog:

Am I off base to suggest that LHU has implied that American soldiers are wantonly and intentionally killing innocent people in Iraq?”

Danish, you are just an ignorant cow.

By Gabby

November 22, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

Spiritual faith is an intangible. It cannot be touched, changed, or removed from the individual who desires to maintain it.

Because it cannot be controlled by those who must, it is a threat they must destroy. It is beyond their reach so they lash out in anger.

Flailing mindlessly at what they cannot see or have without surrender.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Lying rushncap,

You have not articulated a single thing that I either advocate or believe, and there is not a single thing that I have ever said that will back up your fantastic claims. )

The one group that consistently and fervently tries to stifle speech is The Left, assisted by the deep pockets of the ACLU (an organization with undeniably Communist roots and anti-Christian prejudice). You are a representative member of the Left (except for your support of Israel which is an anomaly).

Yesterday I cited an example of the ACLU forcing a school to take down a painting of Christ, and the unwillingness of the plaintiff to allow a wall of teachers - which would include Christ. You had no response.

Isn’t that “stifling choice”, rushncap?????

In another Law Center case, the Third Circuit Court of Appeals recently reversed a lower court decision that had dismissed a complaint filed by the Law Center challenging a New Jersey school district’s total ban on Christmas music, including simple instrumentals

Is that choice??? You open-minded Leftists can’t even listen to an instrumental version of a Christmas song without bringing a lawsuit?

Play the melody to Silent Night and you must be silenced!

Luckily in this case the higher court reversed the lower court, but many more attempts to silence speech will come.

By HumanisticJones

November 22, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

Andy: If I’m wrong then I guess I’ll be wrong, but the same can be said for your beliefs as well. What if you are wrong?

I personally have no concern what Rushncap thinks about my beliefs or whether anyone on the left or right idolizes me or demonizes me. Heck, as a Deist I have the fringe left demonize me for actually believing in god.

My purpose in all of this has nothing to do with corruption (though from the stance of a devout Christian I don’t doubt your reasons for seeing this). I simply feel that I spent nearly 18 years of my life following something that I never thought about. I was Christian because that’s what I was supposed to be. Mom was, Dad was, my whole family was, so thus I thought I should be too. Until I really got to know members of other religions I had no problems with thinking that they were wrong and I was right.

I discovered diversity in the world and just couldn’t close back up into the shell of ecumenical faith. I had to seek other answers besides “Because you have to”. I originally set out in my soul searching to find a good reason to stay Christian, but I couldn’t. In the end I’ve turned from organized religion, but I guess I never lost that evangelical streak that Christianity put in me (you won’t find alot of Deists that get that heated in debates). I feel that I must call others to question what they’ve had put in front of them their whole lives. If they gain strength for it, then I have done them no wrong. If they lose faith in what they were taught, then how can I feel it was bad for them to move away from something that they didn’t have to commitment to hold onto?

I don’t worship the earth or the forests, but I do find them facinating. I have gone to many places that our cities haven’t touched as I enjoy hiking, but while you see that god put everything there for us, I see that taken out of our cities humans are just another part of nature. Certainly we are of a different quality. We are the only creatures that don’t rely on our bodies changing to the environment, we are smart enough to change the environment to us. We are the only creatures with the capacity to contemplate our own souls, philosphy is something no other creature can boast (despite the many animals that use tools and have social structures). Yes the universe might be set up in a way that we can survive in it, but who

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

How things have changed since 1984!

In 1984, Chief Justice Warren Burger had this to say in his opinion upholding the city of Pawtucket, Rhode Island’s nativity display:

“It would be ironic, however, if the inclusion of a single symbol of a particular historic religious event, as part of a celebration acknowledged in the Western World for 20 centuries, and in this country by the people, by the Executive Branch, by the Congress, and the courts for two centuries, would so ‘taint’ the City’s exhibit as to render it violative of the Establishment Clause. To forbid the use of this one passive symbol-the crèche-at the very time people are taking note of the season with Christmas hymns and carols in public schools and other public places, and while the Congress and Legislatures open sessions with prayers by paid chaplains would be a stilted over-reaction contrary to our history and to our holdings. If the presence of the crèche in this display violates the Establishment Clause, a host of other forms of taking official note of Christmas, and of our religious heritage, are equally offensive to the Constitution.”

Not only is the Nativity Scene verboten, but the singing Christmas of Carols has been, to borrow a word from rushncap, stifled.

By HumanisticJones

November 22, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

Well Danish, I have to ask, would you appreciate having your children go to school to hear Islamic songs during Ramadan, or hear Zoarastrian praises on the Light Festival? This isn’t a stab at you, I’d just really like to know.

Me personaly, I don’t really care about Christmas songs. No skin off my nose (hell, I’m going to hear them on the radio, on TV, in stores, why do I care about 5 more minutes at school), but some people may be offended by the use of public facilities to house perfomances of a religious holiday’s songs.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

By HumanisticJones November 22, 2006 03:52 PM Andy: If I’m wrong then I guess I’ll be wrong, but the same can be said for your beliefs as well. What if you are wrong?

I’ll never know, will I?

(P.S. to address any confusion that statement may cause, I know I’m right, there is no doubt at all in my mind.)

We are the only creatures with the capacity to contemplate our own souls

You think maybe there might be a reason for that?

By HumanisticJones

November 22, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

continued from cutoff post at 03:52

Yes the universe might be set up in a way that we can survive in it, but who would be here to complain if it wasn’t. Just because it worked out for us, doesn’t mean that it was put that way just for us. My cats really like stealing bits of my beef jerky if I leave the package out, but I sure as hell didn’t buy it for that purpose, it just worse out in their favor.

I’m willing to stake my life on my beliefs as well. If its give up my will and bow to a religion or death by firing squad, I say get those chambers loaded and I would hope that anyone that has truely chosen their beliefs through introspection and understanding would say the same.

You know, don’t let anyone say you aren’t capable of rational thought Andy, I’ve really been enjoying this.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

Thomas the Talking Dunce,

Can you read? The first link I opened talks about killing…terrorists like Bin Laden.

If those terrorists happen to be muslims, are we supposed to invite them over for dinner and share a Hookah?

The only debate in that story is whether it is proper to say that they should be killed “in the name of the Lord”.

I can’t believe that you claim to have had great discussions with Edward Teller -

Over the years, Teller continued to advocate a strong national defense. He made headlines in the 1970s, promoting the development of nuclear fusion as an alternative to other sources of energy, and again in the 1980s, testifying in favor of the strategic missile defense system

What did you talk about?

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

H Jones,

Ramadan is not a Federal Holiday, nor should it be.

Islam has zip, zero, nada to do with this country’s history, institutions, or traditions.

By Bemused Humanist

November 22, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

“There is a certain impertinence in allowing oneself to be burned for an opinion.”

— Anatole France

By HumanisticJones

November 22, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

Islam has zip, zero, nada to do with this country’s history, institutions, or traditions.

Treaty of Tripoli had quite a bit to do with the Muslim people, even if it wasn’t about ones over here. It was the document that stated America was in no way founded as a Christian Nation.

Also, that didn’t answer my question. Would you or would you not want such things (Ramadan, the Light Festival, Rosh Hashana) being portrayed to your children at school?

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

We are the only creatures with the capacity to contemplate our own souls, philosphy is something no other creature can boast.

H. Jones,

Exactly, and that is why many of us don’t buy into the theory that we are evolved from worms.

Despite propaganda to the contrary, that does not mean that we all take the Story of Genesis literally - although in the sense of capturing the spirit of humanity, I personally find it easier to believe than Darwinism.

By Chet

November 22, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

Yes Dubya, Your Worship. The words and deeds of this man Bush shall never be forgotten. Gets better every day. Look at him. Let us prey.

By rushncap

November 22, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

Jeez, Danish, chill out. Who put sand down your underwear this afternoon?

Of course what I was talking about was your desire to stifle any and all dissent about the war. My post had nothing to do with your religion. Believe it or not, we’re not all as fixated on your particular religious preference. You’re not that important. But boy! are you ever whiny.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

HJ: Don’t you find it odd or even funny that most of the liberal reasons for us being here, such as evolution, require a certain amount of “faith” to be believed?

I get a good laugh thinking about that every time.

By HumanisticJones

November 22, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

Don’t you find it odd or even funny that most of the liberal reasons for us being here, such as evolution, require a certain amount of “faith” to be believed?

Actually, not at all odd. The difference, however, is that the scientific reasons can eventually be tested and either proven or disproven. I doubt you’ll find a scientist anymore that believes in Lemarkian evolution or Linean taxonomy, but those were once the article of the day and people had faith that those were right.

Spiritual faith by its very magistrae is outside the need to be proven or disproven. One simply believes or disbelieves. However, I find that many religious explanations for our origin (the story of the creation is in dispute not the existance of the god in question) just don’t quite mesh with the real world (since the earth certainly isn’t a flat square on 4 pillars, with a dome for a sky and a window in said dome that lets the water in if you open it).

I feel that science is here to give us the how. Philosophy and Religion are here to give us the why.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

H. Jones,

“the government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion”, this is not an untrue statement since it is referring to the federal government.

Recall that while the Founders themselves openly described America as a Christian nation (demonstrated in chapter 2 of Original Intent), they did include a constitutional prohibition against a federal establishment; religion was a matter left solely to the individual States. Therefore, if the article is read as a declaration that the federal government of the United States was not in any sense founded on the Christian religion, such a statement is not a repudiation of the fact that America was considered a Christian nation.

Reading the clause of the treaty in its entirety also fails to weaken this fact. Article XI simply distinguished America from those historical strains of European Christianity which held an inherent hatred of Muslims; it simply assured the Muslims that the United States was not a Christian nation like those of previous centuries (with whose practices the Muslims were very familiar) and thus would not undertake a religious holy war against them.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

Lying rushncap,

Are Marxists taught to lie as part of their Youth Camp training?

I didn’t say anything about the War in Iraq, so WTF are you talking about? Your slanderous comments about me had nothing to do with the war either.

You know perfectly well that the discussion was about Freedom of Religion and the free exercise thereof.

By Thomas

November 22, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this

Blond Bleach Dyed Brainless

I too am for a strong national defense - note that word clearly - “DEFENSE”.

Wasting our resources in a sandpit in the middle east is not building a strong defense, but is instead weakening our national defense with billions of dollars spent.

I am also very pro-nuclear power. I also worry about environmental issues and how we can produce the needed energy for this country while reducing enviromental impact. I like breathing my air and drinking my water thank you!

Concerning Teller —

At one time Teller was extremist right conservative after WW2, and his opinions were sided with the government and military when they had decided to drop the a-bomb on Hiroshima. Many of the scientist that worked on that project had wanted to bring a Japanese diplomatic envoy to the USA and do a demonstration of this incredibly destructive weapon to convince them to end all hostilities against us. But the military wanted to use the a-bomb on Japan to make their point.

I remember one discussion with Teller when he brought this up and said that this was one of his greatest regrets in life. He said he should have chosen the side of the other scientist against the wishes of the military in that event. (cont)

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

Lying rushncap,

Just in case you decide to nitpick, I didn’t make any comments about the War in Iraq - which I consider to be part of the War on Terror.

By Thomas

November 22, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this

(Cont from above) I have an autographed book from Edward that I severely cherish from my days when he worked on President Reagans StarWars projects. The book is titled “Better a Shield than a Sword”. Although it is primarily about weapons defense systems, there is a lot of Edwards philosophy and politcal insights as well.

I didn’t always agree with Dr Edward Teller and he didn’t always agree with me when it came to politics, but on many things we definitly agreed on and I truly miss the wonderful chats with him. I would much rather be sitting with him and discussing todays politics and affairs, or better yet new physics technologies, far more than talking with anyone on this blog.

I have also had Robert Novak as a journalism instructor and I could give you some war stories with him as well, but whats it matter to you. You will spin anything I say so you can stand out and say your always right.

Yet you lack realistic reason when it comes to resolving any real world issues. Your sole purpose is apparently to follow your narrow minded agenda, and not realisticaly debate issues to make the world better. You could care less about improving the world as long as you can say that you are right! A true cronie to the neocons.

But that seems the norm of the NeoCon right. Not a true worthy conservative left amongst you is there?!

Happy Thanksgiving everyone (even you Buy Danish, Rw, Andy, and especially Goldie), I will be spending the next 5 days with family in Al-ha’Bama’. Plotting the next terrorist acts of The Roll Tide defeating Georgia’. (LOL)

Thomas

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

H. Jones,

You’ll note that the Muslims broke that treaty in no time flat.

I have persoanllyposted many links here to the Barbary Wars, and the history of those wars just prove to me what an untrustworthy, extortionist bunch we have been dealing with since the time of Jefferson, and that paying them off and appeasing them has gotten us nowhere - except to look weak in their eyes.

By HumanisticJones

November 22, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

Well, about to head out on the road for the visiting of family and such on this, our day of turkey.

Enjoy your Turkey days, and the company and food they bring.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

Thanks for the bio on Teller.

How does this explain that YOU can’t differentiate between a “muslim” and a “terrorist”? You accused Christians of wanting to kill muslims as if it were out of some sort of religious zealotry on our part that required eliminating infidels.

Ready to backtrack yet?

By rushncap

November 22, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

Sandy Muffin, I —was— commenting about war in Iraq, and my comments were directed to someone else. So when you butt into a conversation, do try to figure out what’s being discussed. That way you might hide your stupidity for a skosh (sp?) longer.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

“You will spin anything I say so you can stand out and say your always right.”

Thomas,

Actually Thomas, I don’t need to “spin” anything. You do a fine job of presenting your views all by yourself without any “spin” by me.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

{{By rushncap November 22, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this HJ: the solution that Danish seems to propose to our situation is quite lovely, isn’t it? She claims that we are being attacked by Muslims for our liberties. Her solution is for America to become less democratic, stifle dissention, stifle choice. I guess she thinks that if we become a Christian version of Pakistan the Islamic terrorists will feel a kinship with us and stop attacking us. Gotta bow down to her brilliance.}}

Yes, you freaking liar, they were technically addressed to someone else. That’s usually the way it works with slander.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

Andy, next thing you know rushncap will be calling for the extermination of Christians. Lovely solution, no? You’ve got to admire his easy solution to ending our conflict with IslamoFascists.

Rushncap,

Do not comment on that post^^. Just because I lied about you and mentioned your name doesn’t give you the right to butt in.

By Thomas

November 22, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this

Besides the fact I’d like to go now —

I fully understand terrorism is bad, and I clearly understand that not all worshippers of Islam (Muslims) are terrorist. Nor are all terrorist Muslims.

I would love terrorism to be wiped from the face of the planet just like you and every other reasonable person. But sadly that is impossible. Terrorism will always exist in some form or another. The act of causing fear and confusion in order to gain in some goal will always exist.

I just want to make the point that while we scream in horror at the terrorist about how bad they are, that we are at the same time beginning to act like them in many ways. We are lowering ourselves to their standards.

Torture? Death, etc.. Why!?

Yes we should use force (when absolutly nessecery) but then use diplomacy to reduce the need to ever have to resort to using force. It is a travesty when we use force just be cause we can.

We Christians can be just as bad as the Muslims in committing attrocitys, as proven in the past with the inquisition. I just want to make people think once in a while about this and check themselves to make sure that they are not falling into the same trap of believing we are better than everyone else. Nor do I ever want us to believe it’s OK for us to commit the occasional attrocity as long as it is for the greater good. That is a dark path that is against everything that I believe.

Our founding fathers were wise in establishing checks and balances so that people of all walks of life could co-exist together (without killing each other) in this country. Those basic rights in the Bill of Rights were also wisely written to prevent one person or group from becoming dominant over all. It was written in a way that everyone was able to voice their beliefs and opinions and control their own destiny.

I thank them for this wonderful country and their wisdom.

Again - have a great Thanksgiving all.

Thomas

By RW-(the original)

November 22, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish.

cc:rushncap

That’s the way rushncap works most of the time, yesterday he decided to address a post to @@ just to make snide comments about me three times in the same post.

She and I both responded, here, here, and here but rushcap didn’t have the nerve to respond to either of us.

By rushncap

November 22, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

Gotta love Danish: “You freaking liar, you’re right.” It’s amusing that she is able to completely contradict herself within the space of a single sentence, and yet see nothing wrong with that.

Now all you had to do is in your indoor voice say that the quote came from li’l andy, not you. And you’d be right. And I’d be wrong. But no, you have to launch into a tirade attacking me for something that I did not say. Even when given an opening to be right for once, our Muffin decides to simply splatter herself into a wall of being wrong. What a pal!

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this

Read this when you get back:

By HumanisticJones November 22, 2006 04:40 PM The difference, however, is that the scientific reasons can eventually be tested and either proven or disproven.

I can just about guarantee that there will never be found a link between man and animal. That’s not to say there won’t be conjecture but that is all you got.

However, I find that many religious explanations for our origin (the story of the creation is in dispute not the existance of the god in question) just don’t quite mesh with the real world (since the earth certainly isn’t a flat square on 4 pillars, with a dome for a sky and a window in said dome that lets the water in if you open it).

I’m pretty sure that Judith Regan was not present at the creation nor did Moses feel the need to write down his every experience, he just couldn’t understand the significance of what he was living at the time.

Even Christ the night before his Crucifixion asked that the chalice be passed from him.

The Old Testament is simply a historical telling and a faulty human translation of Creation and plight of God’s first chosen people. It can’t be taken literally as humans are just simply unable to understand the Glory of God, especially a second hand recreation.

The New Testament is a whole different animal as most of the writers personally knew Christ and were given to the Holy Spirit in guidance as they wrote.

Reading through the beautiful, uplifting, gracious book of Romans if you can’t feel the Spirit move within you then your soul must be already dead.

the story of the creation is in dispute not the existance of the god in question

How can you admit to the existence of God but deny the Creation?

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

Yes, we have intelligence and ingenuity, but unless we recognize them as gifts of God, we are prone to abuse and misuse them, exalting ourselves in our arrogance and deluding ourselves regarding our potency. By reminding us of our limitations, giving thanks to God humbles us. We ought not to be confident that we know it all, that we have all the answers. And we ought not to regard our capacities as ours alone, to be used as we please. We are accountable for them, not just to our fellow citizens, or to the voters, but to God. Here’s how Abraham Lincoln put it in his 1863 proclamation of a “Day of Thanksgiving, Praise, and Prayer” (in August, by the way, not in November): I invite the people of the United States to assemble…in their customary places of worship and in the forms approved by their own consciences render the homage due to the Divine Majesty for the wonderful things He has done in the nation’s behalf…and finally to lead the whole nation through the paths of repentance and submission to the divine will back to the perfect enjoyment of union and fraternal peace.

By Diogenes

November 22, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this

Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It (526)

Your comment, “I can just about guarantee that there will never be found a link between man and animal. That’s not to say there won’t be conjecture but that is all you got” is demonstrably invalid. Not quite sure what your’re trying to say. Point of information, do you have a dog or cat?

By rushncap

November 22, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

RW, don’t flatter yourself. @@ herself brought you up, not me, so go deal with her. She then began whining and wagging her finger at me when I responded to her. Trust me, RW, you’re not that important, I usually don’t deal with you until you actually are here. So buzz off.

By N-GA

November 22, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this

OMG, he’s speaking in tongues!!!

By I Voted for War But I Won't Fight

November 22, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

I’m too gay.

Too drunk.

And bottomline - scared sheetless.

I’m Andi/e.

By N-GA

November 22, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this

Let’s hope they don’t figure out a way to handle serpents on the blog.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this

RW,

Don’t you just love the way that lying rushncap misquotes me and then tries to use it to prove his lying point? Then he goes on to say that I said something he didn’t say - even when I quoted him directly.

The guy is seriously delusional. I hope he is availing himself of those great airfares he is thankful to Christians for, and is flying to California to see mommy. Hopefully she will do an intervention.

CC: Rushncap

By @@

November 22, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this

rushncap:

Would your observation of Buy Danish at 5:24 apply to you as well?

(((And you’d be right. And I’d be wrong. But no, you have to launch into a tirade attacking me for something that I did not say.)))

Kinda like you did with RW and I yesterday.

I kept reading and re-reading my comment to figure out where I said what you said I did. Never found it. Never found where RW said what you accused him of either.

So here’s your chance rushncap. Why don’t you set an example.

Say you were wrong!

By I Voted for War Then Hid Under My Bid

November 22, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this

I’m scared!

I’m just a girl - a wee little girl!!

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this

RW,

Buzz off and Butt off seem to be lying rushncap’s newest debating phrases. This guy is almost as good as John Kerry in combining the skill of prevarication with nuance.

CC: lying rushncap

By I Voted for War And Ran Away From It

November 22, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

Help - save me! I’m a damsel in distress!

By @@

November 22, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

No way rushncap @ 5:48. I referred to RW’s assertion. Anyone with dignity would have excluded his name and addressed the assertion or waited for him to appear to confront him directly.

You took liberties there. You’re motive was clear. RW was your target, and you used me as a shield.

By RW-(the original)

November 22, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

Nice dodge rushncap,

Lying freak!

By Diogenes

November 22, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this

I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It (526),

Actually the Biblical story of creation has as much substance as most creation myths. It actually holds together better than most. The story of the Garden of Eden, when looked at within the right context, makes a lot of sense, even as myth. The marvel is the excellence of the story tellers who originated and refined these myths.

By @@

November 22, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this

And another thing rushncap. I want you to explain to me how you can visually determine if someone is gay.

You were the one who said it was easier than anyone would think.

How rushncap? I want to know how?

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 06:14 PM | Link to this

Rushncap said:

{{But no, you have to launch into a tirade attacking me for something that I did not say.}}

Well, this is what he said about me - a tirade about something I did not say.

@@,

The problem is that there is nothing true about that isolated quote that you cited as an example of how he should behave. Why give him credit for something he does not deserve credit for?

CC: rushncap

By @@

November 22, 2006 06:15 PM | Link to this

Where did he go? Where did rushncap go?

It obviously wasn’t Danish who ran him off. They’ve been at it for awhile.

I KNOW it wasn’t me.

It must have been RW’s appearance on the board.

rushncap?

By rushncap

November 22, 2006 06:15 PM | Link to this

@@, again, I just addressed this. You are the one who brought up RW, not me. I responded to your post. You are reasonably intellectually honest, you can go back to yesterday and verify this if you want. You said, and I quote “Do you see anything wrong with gay activists limiting the buying options of low-income families based on the likelihood of RW’s 12:30.” This is the first time RW was mentioned in that conversation. You did it. Not me. I responded to that. What did you expect me to do?

By the way, what RW complained about in the very post you were referring to was that companies that have insurance policies for gay couples would “have artificially high prices”. This is a direct quote.

Sigh. Do I have to pre-chew everything for everyone?

By I Voted for the War Even Though Personally I'm a Coward

November 22, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this

Get someone else to fight - I’ll cheerlead!

By RW-(the original)

November 22, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

You could take the easy way out and do what @@ suggests or you could follow any of the three links I left for you and Buy Danish and point out where you were right.

CC: @@ Buy Danish

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 06:17 PM | Link to this

I agree with Diogenes at 6:07.

Amazing that some people think that these storytellers just accidentally evolved from worms as their Creation Myth - and then demand that no other explanation be told because their’s is based on “science”.

By I Voted for the War Even Though I Am Yellow

November 22, 2006 06:17 PM | Link to this

A sick stupid coward.

By rushncap

November 22, 2006 06:19 PM | Link to this

@@, if you’ve met gay people, you’d know how to tell. Not always, but it’s not that hard to tell if someone is a flaming gay guy or a butch lesbian. Of course not all of them are, but those who are, are not all that hard to distinguish.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 06:22 PM | Link to this

Diogenes: I may have a cat or two.

Hopefully this information won’t cause the resident psychopaths to lose it.

NG-A: I got a snake you can handle.

By @@

November 22, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this

rushncap:

You’ve got other matters to address before you address my last question regarding gays. You may buy into stereotypes. I don’t.

You don’t get to skip past Buy Danish to seek shelter in my comments.

It’s time to pay the piper.

Sorry Danish, I didn’t come in until late. I’ll go back up and read.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this

RW,

Isn’t it amazing that rushncap the serial liar thinks that he is “intellectually honest”.

CC: rushncap

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

@@,

Isn’t it amazing that rushncap says, “if” you’ve met gay people….

Is he implying that you may not have? No wonder he believes in Darwin! He thinks its possible to go through life without meeting gay people - coincidentally of course.

CC: rushncap

By rushncap

November 22, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this

Oh jesus freaking christ, @@, read! I responded to your post, and the reason I’m talking to you is because Danish has the intelligence of a retarded dog, and that is entertaining for only so long.

Muffin, darling, the “CC” joke wasn’t funny the first time. By the 9th it’s about as amusing as making fun of the Holocaust. Just helping your out a little.

By Sailor

November 22, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

Not everybody gets around as much as you and Andi/e, Bi Danish - you party girls you.

A couple of snake charmers you are…

Sailor

By @@

November 22, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish: I’m just shocked that rushncap can assign such stereotypes to the gays that he is so supportive of.

I have several gay friends. I also had a neighbor who was very effeminate(sp?) but wasn’t gay. A female friend who would be considered masculine but isn’t gay.

Unless someone tells me they’re gay, I don’t make assumptions like rushncap. I wonder if he’s in the habit of outing someone without their permission based on his assumptions.

I wonder if he’s a “Psssssttt” kinda person?

By Diogenes

November 22, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It,

Starting from your earlier comment, “I can just about guarantee that there will never be found a link between man and animal. That’s not to say there won’t be conjecture but that is all you got.”

If you think there are no links between man and the animals, you’re overlooking the fact that we are animals. To someone with a pet, someone who is around an animal a lot, the kinship is intuitively obvious. I can develop that thought if you wish, or we can hold for another time. If you intended a different assertion about the nature of the link between man and the animals, then we can explore that as well. Just start with the notion that you and your pet are both mammals.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this

No, the shadowy existence of this “chaos” in Iraq is projected by a steady stream of stomach-churning, atavistic, destructive acts, staged day by day where the cameras of the U.S. press cannot resist them. Some of these acts bring orange explosions and black smoke, others consist simply of dumping dead and tortured bodies where the public cannot avoid discovering them. We design these images to show that our fighters will
go where the United States will not, that our brave martyrs have harder linings in their stomachs than anyone in the West, and that our ferocity and determination, day after day, cannot be resisted.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

RW/@@,

Wow! Rushncap seems to have sand in his panties which are in a wad right now. I think he needs to, what was it he told me, “chill out” or something to that effect?

He doesn’t like it one bit when other people employ his slippery tactics. Nani nani boo boo.

If he manages to collect himself, maybe he can figure out why he is a freaking liar. Maybe some day he can figure out how to stop. Of course the diagnoses is always much easier than the cure.

CC: rushncap.

By Diogenes

November 22, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish (617),

I appreciate that we agree on something, but I suspect that I was going in a different direction with my assertion than you would go. I see them as myths. The interesting thing to me is the parallel they have with the developments of the Neolithic Age and the excellence with which the stories are told. They are almost better as encapsulations of the Neolithic than as morality plays.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 06:48 PM | Link to this

It has become fashionable and amusing these days to ridicule conservative Christians who believe in the Bible, even if they fail to live by the Word every waking moment. One fallen preacher comes along and the secular world rejoices in the triumph of hypocrisy. Yet, anyone familiar with the history of social justice knows that evangelicals, as well as others of different faiths, have led many of the causes that progressives today claim as their turf.

By @@

November 22, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

rushncap: You’re coming to my comment because you know I cut you the slack that others don’t.

I’m insightful enough to realize that Danish has far more knowledge on far more subjects than I do.

After what you did to me yesterday, which is exactly what you just did to Danish this afternoon, I’m leaving the rope with you.

You’ll either hang yourself with it or admit that you were wrong.

What’s it gonna be? Times running out. It’s 6:48.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this

By Diogenes November 22, 2006 06:43 PM If you think there are no links between man and the animals, you’re overlooking the fact that we are animals.

My cat is not aware of it’s soul.

Bottom line.

By Diogenes

November 22, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this

I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It (644),

Amazing isn’t it? Goebbels just invented the use of cinematic techniques for propagandistic purposes in WWII, and now it’s quite refined in its ability to sway opinion.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 06:54 PM | Link to this

@@,

I think it’s just as likely that he would hit on someone based on his assumptions.

Dear readers - or To whom it may concern,

rushncap seems to think that engaging him at his own game carries equal weight with the holocaust. That is a new low in the “moral equivalency” department.

CC: rushncap

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 06:54 PM | Link to this

The idea that a Muslim boycott against US Airways would hurt the airline proves that Arabs are utterly tone-deaf. This is roughly the equivalent of Cindy Sheehan taking a vow of silence. How can we hope to deal with people with no sense of irony? The next thing you know, New York City cab drivers will be threatening to bathe.

By Diogenes

November 22, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It (653)

Whether or not your cat has a soul is a discussion of faith. I was talking about a description of biology. Those are two entirely different areas of debate.

By rushncap

November 22, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

@@, Danish has no knowledge to speak of. She has opinions. That is all. I’m yet to see a single subject she knows more about that Sean Hannity. Honestly, name something she has demonstrated any knowledge about. Maybe golf. I don’t know much about golf, I assume she knows more.

Since you are tacitly admitting that I’m right by refusing to acknowledge my 6:15 post today, I’ll accept your admission. Have a good night.

Oh, and I know enough gay people to know what they are like. Yes, some of them fit the “stereotypes”. Guess what, those who do know it, and are proud of it. So don’t lecture me on the subject.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

Diogenes,

My point was merely that amazing human beings wrote the “myths”, so I am skeptical of the “myth” that they evolved from worms.

I am not necessarily agreeing that they are myths. I am pointing out the magnificence of the human soul.

By Buy Danish

November 22, 2006 07:05 PM | Link to this

Happy Thanksgiving rushncap!

Hope you get all the bounteous bargains that you are thankful for.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 22, 2006 07:10 PM | Link to this

Diogenes @ 7:00: Understood, I’m talking about the link between animal and man ala liberalism. To whit: a fossil of a ferret standing upright and singing the national anthem thus proving humans “evolved” or some other such nonsense.

By RW-(the original)

November 22, 2006 07:13 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Please link to where I said that it would be costly for a company to have insurance for gay couples since you claim it’s a direct quote.

You are nothing but an intellectual lightweight and a liar to boot. Redeem yourself jackas-s.