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By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 06:53 AM | Link to this

Yea, like cartoon boy’s ever been to Church.

Christianity is the last unperverted bastion of goodness and light left in the world; that’s why you see these liberals trying to drag their filth into it.

What may I ask does anyone’s sexual orientation have to do with your personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ Our Savior? Must normal, well adjusted worshippers, only seeking refuge from the degeneracy of the secular world, have to except sin into their midst?

Why does this need to be flaunted before the children?

Why do you liberals need affirmation for perverting your existence so that life has no meaning except for how you get off? Have you no shame, no modesty?

You chose to be a freak, why do you want to make the rest of us endure your sickness?

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 06:56 AM | Link to this

Twenty some years of enthralling the pinkos and it turns out the guy is an illiterate:

Larry King Admits He’s Never Used The Internet: ‘Do You Punch Little Buttons and Things?’

Democrats, eating their own:

Democratic strategist James Carville says his party should dump Howard Dean as chairman of the Democratic Party because of incompetence.

The reason for skepticism is the very selective use of data presented by the end-of-the world crowd, such as Al Gore and this month by former World Bank economist Nicholas Stern. The common solutions that always come from the crisis-of-the-day gang are for more government spending, higher taxes and more government control, with little or no discussion of the downside of bigger government and higher taxes. U.S. taxpayers now pay about $4 billion per year to global change scientists and government bureaucrats associated with global warming. If global warming were found to be not much of a problem, what do you think would happen to the budgets, employment and advancement opportunities of those with a vested interest in global warming? (We have even had calls for the forcible silencing and imprisonment of global warming skeptics by some global warming doomsayers. Such calls and intimidation of those seeking honest answers can only lead to biased research or worse.)

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 07:40 AM | Link to this

The DNC’s communications director, Karen Finney, a veteran of Hillary Clinton’s Senate campaign, greeted the news that Mr. Giuliani had formed a presidential exploratory committee with a press release that must be read to be believed. “Giuliani Was A Registered Democrat For Much Of His Life,” the release begins. Only in Washington could the Democratic National Committee issue a press release attacking a politician for having been a Democrat.

By Sailor

November 16, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this

That’s my Andi/e peeking out of the closet…

By Chazman

November 16, 2006 08:13 AM | Link to this

My, my, I Voted, you sure ask alot of questions this morning. But the one question that really stands out is this one:

What may I ask does anyone’s sexual orientation have to do with your personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ Our Savior?

Thats a VERY good question. I don’t care who is sitting in the pew next to me, as long as they are there to practice their religion. A good question. Why don’t you answer that one.

By Diogenes

November 16, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

Mike,

It’s clever, but using the Catholic Church paraphernalia as the background seems out of context. The Catholics have had trouble with molestation issues, but it seems like the fundamentalist Protestant organizations are those with homosexuality issues. Yes, the celibacy of priests has created concerns about homosexuality, molestation, and heterosexuality for 1500 years, or thereabouts. This cartoon, however, does not seem to be concerned about celibacy and its attendent ills. The cartoon seems more probably aimed at Ted Haggard and his ilk, members of extremist Protestant sects. Its just the wrong context, Mike.

By Diogenes

November 16, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

Mike,

It seems to me that you have missed one very good context for a cartoon. So far you’ve been absolutely silent (if that’s the right word to apply to a cartoonist) about the board of “holy men” who have been engaged to deprogram Haggard. The encounters between this board of reverends and Haggard would seem to be fertile ground for an imagination as all-encompassing as yours. Seems to me that something of the order of having a group of witch-doctors in full panoply trying to exorcise the spots from the leopard would be appropriate.

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

Is this issue in the news or something, or is ML struggling with turkeys and other demons?

I dedicate this to Huge Blowhard and other ignoramuses who claim there is no difference between Christianity and Islam:

New Pakistani Rape Laws Anger Islamists

You’ll note that under Islamic law you don’t exactly have a choice in the matter. For the thick skulled, that would be in contrast to this country where if you are unwilling to follow the tenets of Catholicism, you have the choice to go somewhere else, and they won’t even kill you for your apostasy.

By w00t

November 16, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

LOL, Andy, go to CHURCH?? Yeah right! That’s the biggest load of Hypocrisy I’ve every read here.

Everyday he’s calling people names and cursing at them. Yeah, I’m sure he lives his life by the teachings in the Bible.

By Diogenes

November 16, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Let me suggest some novels for you about the Roman Senate in the time of Caesar. Our tripartite government is all that keeps our Senate from sounding like the Roman one. Coleen McCullough’s books about Caesar are especially entertaining. Caesar, Fortune’s Favorite, October Horse, and Caesar’s Women all have to do with the life and career of Julius Caesar. Robert Harris’ Imperium tells the story from Cicero’s point of view. Steven Saylor’s The Judgement of Caesar tells the conflict between Caesar, Cicero, and Pompey from the point of view of Cicero’s amanuensis.

By Political Foreskin

November 16, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this

Dio: Are you suggesting that when a man puts on a dress he’s actually becoming a priest?

You miss the joke. If you have to explain it, then it ruins the fun.

But here goes anyway: You see, the confessional is like a closet. I dont think anyone has put the two together. This is a totally original riff on a very controversial subject that harmlessly plays to the secret gay lives that some men live.

I tried to come out of the closet once, but an old leisure suit pulled me back in. However, the guys in the closet with me kicked me out, so I had to settle for a poorly lit foyer.

Hypocrisy and Ignorance are conjugal siblings.

By @@

November 16, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this

Oh come on ml…why the bias against the church? Be fair. At least dubb the “outhouse” Lavender Mafia.

Maybe you should take confession with Father Greeley. He’ll set you straight on the facts.

By Andy

November 16, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

Thanx Dio, for ruining Roman Orgies for all of us.

Edit, sir, Edit.

Hypocrisy and Ignorance are conjugal siblings.

By Eric

November 16, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

Christianity can be a wonderful thing. Trouble is, most of today’s right wingers have no idea what it means to truly be a Christian. The so called moral majority in this country are some of the most immoral people I have ever encountered. People who foment hate are not Christians. Take the author of the first post in this blog as a perfect example. Great cartoon, Mike.

By Paul

November 16, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

Yesterday at 10:57 someone (an RW-wannabe) posted, regarding Iran, nuclear weaopons and intent, that:

“You gotta “Howard Stern” a little to get attention and to assuage the lunatic fringe who could destroy you.”

Two Iranian newspaper editorials have called for the final destruction of Israel (“free press” is not known in Iran)…” The nation of Muslims must prepare for the great war, so as to completely wipe out the Zionist regime, and remove this cancerous growth. Like the Imam (Ayatollah) Khomeini said: ‘Israel must collapse.’”

I know I’m whistling in the wind while waiting for a thoughtful reanalysis by 10:57, but it’s just another example of “I hate Bush, Jihadists are just misunderstood and are really swell guys.”

On a more serious note, several on this forum have berated Rumsfeld for intimidating his generals and not heeding their advice, saying that must change. Then came the elections. Gen Abizaid (senior military commander in the Middle East) testified in Congress yesterday and said current withdrawal proposals were ill advised. Sen Levin told him he didn’t know what he was talking about.

Question: Why are the Democratic leadership perpetuating Rumsfeld’s “mistakes” regarding heeding advice of general officers?

By Will Jones

November 16, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this

Each of Rome’s 188 dioceses, instituted by them to carve up the U.S. as forward base camps for the millions of illegals they encourage to invade, has at least one convicted pedophile “consecrated” priest, many have dozens.

America’s Founder properly identified the Roman pedophile homosexual priesthood as “the real Anti-Christ” in his letter to Samuel Kerchival.

For those unwilling to be swayed by such knowledge, please read Daniel Jonah Goldhagen’s “A Moral Reckoning:” which proves through assiduous and sublime scholarship that two popes and the Roman Catholic Church are morally, ethically, and legally culpable for the Holocaust.

Modern scholarship confirms the prophetic wisdom of America’s Whig Founders.

Where is the moral outrage at he satanic hypocrisy of biblical proportion in the Republican Party’s leadship by homosexuals like Ken Mehlman, George Bush, and Ted Haggard while attempting to “divide and conquer” Our People by foisting off on us such non-issues as gay marriage?

The majority Democrat Congress must move immediately to purge our political fabric of these demons and those who surround them. Their perversion and hypocrisy is but symptomatic of the deviant minds that treasonously committed 9-11 to send our loved ones in the Armed Forces to risk their lives shedding innocent blood, where they themselves are virtually all draft-dodgers.

Wake up America. Mike Luckovich can only tell us the truth. We, as One People, must act upon it.

Pelosi must be given only a few short weeks after she becomes Speaker. If the lies of WMD, 9-11, and the crimes which preceded them, are not investigated, tried, convicted and punished, fully: We the People must once again take it upon ourselves, morally justifying Our Founders dreams of Individual Sovereignty, to remove those in power.

By Paul

November 16, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

Okay, I’ll (re)ask what I hope will be my only “religious doctrine vs practice” question. For those in favor of or opposed to religious inclusion for homosexuals: is the issue one of self identity or of conduct? In other words, if a person who says “my orientation is homosexual” also says “I will live a life of chastity, following all the other commandments” - should they be granted full fellowship? As opposed to people who say “I’m a Christian, but I’m going to live with someone outside marriage, spend the weekend with someone I met at a club, inflate my tax deductions, tell my boss someone else was to blame for my screwup, make other employees look bad so I could get ahead…”

By bon scott

November 16, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

I think sometimes ml draws a ‘toon that’s just meant to needle the sanctimonious Bible-thumpers here and nothing else.

Bullseye.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

Some priests are in the press and others are ignored by the ml’s of the world. The hypocrisy of the antique media knows no bounds.

By candide

November 16, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

The Catholic clergy of all professions has more gays in it than any other. Why would any young man agree to remain unmarried and celebate unless he were sexually confused and probably inclined towards homosexuality? For the Catholic bishops to dogmatize on homosexuality is the height of folly, presumption, arrogance, and hypocrisy. But then that is what one would expect of Christian clergy!

By @@

November 16, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

Paul @ 8:57. I enjoyed the article Top General Faces Off Against Lawmakers The politicians are clearly frustrated. Abizaid is not telling them what they “needed” to hear.

Your 9:04? I would have preferred the word “intent” in there somewhere. I personally don’t care who I’m sitting next to in church. We’re all sinners seeking treatment from the physician.

The question, for me is….why are they, being all of us, there?

By Goldie

November 16, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

ROFLMAO!!! You hit this one right on the head, Lucko! According to many in the so-called Christian movement, gays need to stay in their closets, or else the Wrath of God will smite thee!

I’d like to know why these wingnut preachers don’t go after the millions of Americans who are either DIVORCED or fornicating outside of marriage — they’re the ones who are threatening the institution of marriage.

I can read their wingnut picket signs now: “GOD hates DIVORCEES, not F*!”

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

By Chazman November 16, 2006 08:13 AM My, my, I Voted, you sure ask alot of questions this morning. But the one question that really stands out is this one: What may I ask does anyone’s sexual orientation have to do with your personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ Our Savior? Thats a VERY good question. {{{{{I don’t care who is sitting in the pew next to me, as long as they are there to practice their religion.}}}}}} A good question. Why don’t you answer that one.

I agree, you shouldn’t even know about their personal sexual relationships, should you?

It should be in the “closet,” right?

By RW (the oravaginal)

November 16, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

Paul, the president of Iran wrote those articles, or approved them. The General’s advice to “stay the course” yesterday was writen by Bush, or approved by him.

You need to learn the art of politics, where you have to say things that seem outrageous to play to your support, (and then you’ll be perfect).

Ignorance and Hypocrisy are conjugal siblings.

By Liberal Christian

November 16, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

“well adjusted worshippers, only seeking refuge from the degeneracy of the secular world, have to except sin into their midst? “

I suggest that you read the book again. Pay attention to its directions. Christianity is not a refuge from degeneracy. In fact it is quite the opposite. It is a charge to enter into the world where the poor are and offer your service. Poor can mean more than just lacking material wealth, but also those who are poor in spirit. As a Christian it is your duty to be in the world and to help your brothers. Pointing fingers and calling names and holding grudges is not what it means to be christian. Incidentally, violence and war is not either.

“For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly father will forgive you of your sin. If you do not forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly father will not forgive you of your sin.”

By bon scott

November 16, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

Paul - Question: Why are the Democratic leadership perpetuating Rumsfeld’s “mistakes” regarding heeding advice of general officers?

Fortunately, Senator Levin is not the President. And his opinion is not shared with many Democratic lawmakers who say an abrupt withdrawl would be folly. I’m not worried.

These other Democrats are listening to the Generals. A plan or three will be drawn up. After that, it’s up to the Commander in Chief. Congress can’t order him to do anything. But I’m hopeful. I’m sure at least one of the Pentagon reviewed plans will be SO much better than “stay the course” that we will soon be able to say “Mission Accomplished” and not feel foolish.

By Paul

November 16, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

candide

One can very easily show that, to a practicing Christian, sexual relations are proscribed for everyone outside of marriage. So it applies to all unmarried, not solely to priests.

I understand from your phrase “remain unmarried and celebate (sp)” that you are making the formal distinction of (unmarried or not married state as celibacy) while celibacy as used in your post is in its common, not necessarily Catholic doctrinal sense, as “chastity” (sexual purity).

By RW (the oravaginal)

November 16, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

That’s correct, RW (the original), statistical data supports that about 1 in 10 men are metro-bi-robosexuals. (Get down and be funky, boom shacka lacka lacka Boom shacka lacka lacka lacka…..)

But mostly, RW (the original), you need to eat a reality sandwich, man. I minored in Psyche in College, and I’ve diagnosed your kind before. You’re a 23 point criteria match for the clinical term “bad news cat”.

Hypocrisy and Ignorance are conjugal siblings.

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

Diogenes,

I did not have a chance to respond yesterday about the Emperor Constantine’s influence on Roman Law.

You are the one who brought up Roman Law in your thesis that Greco/Roman influences are more important on our Founding Documents than Judeo/Christian ones.

While you and the author of that particular book was unwilling to give Constantine credit, you’ll note that it said “most scholars” have a different take on the subject.

You cited British Common Law as an influence which of course it is, but the Magna Carta was written by the Archbishop of Canterbury.

Obviously there are many precedents and ideas that came together at the time of our Founding. However to deny the inextricable influence of Judeo-Christian concepts of liberty and the rights of man on our Founders and their products is foolish.

This is a great website which goes into depth on the religious history of everyone of them..

It is no coincidence that they are Christians. To deny the influence of Christian concepts on their guiding principles and subsequent actions would be as ludicrous as denying the influence of Marx on Mao Tse Tung.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

Ooops:

By Eric November 16, 2006 08:54 AM Christianity can be a wonderful thing. Trouble is, most of today’s right wingers have no idea what it means to truly be a Christian. The so called moral majority in this country are some of the most immoral people I have ever encountered. People who foment hate are not Christians. Take the author of the first post in this blog as a perfect example. Great cartoon, Mike.

O.K. “Bishop” Eric, time for you to show us where in the Bible Jesus told those who would follow him to accept sin.

You have no idea how I live my life and any guess that you take of it is just that, a guess.

And your beliefs of what the Bible instructs are based on a cartoonist’s drawing and from the mainstream media’s hatred of Christianity.

So go ahead, heretic, tell us your false prophesies.

By Paul

November 16, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

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I, too, think that is the issue. “Intent” would have sidetracked may people, as many take quite an absolutist all or nothing approach. So I followed with a consistently-phrased question. I did not want it to go to questions of intent vs conduct, repentance, progression, etc. It’s also a question, I’ve found, that leads to a bit of introspection among some. Not looking to embarass people - just to show an “all or nothing” approach is problematic.

By Paul

November 16, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

Eric at 8:54

Why limit your blast against most right wingers as ones who’ve never practiced Christianity? Why not be more inclusive? Wasn’t it Mark Twain who said “the only problem with Christianity is it’s never been tried”?

By BaptistBoy

November 16, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

Two principles of the Christian Faith are: 1) God can do anything and 2) nothing is impossible for him. Now if you really believe that, consider this: If God believed in homosexuality he woulda IMPREGNATED JOSEPH instead of Mary.

Remember now, God can co anything and nothing is impossible for him. And sometimes he uses the foolish things to confound the wise.

By Paul

November 16, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

RW (wannabe) 9:26

I agree, Iranian newspapers will generally reflect the views of the religious and political leaders.

You assertion regarding general officer testimony before Congress is, however, way off the mark. The idea that the President will preview and approve all testimony by military personnel is pretty extreme. The procedures are also different when general officers are specifically ask to state their service’s position on an issue (basing, procurement, etc) or a personal view. You also are incorrect in implying what Gen Abizaid says is solely his view. Contrary to many’s beliefs, there is quite a bit of bottom-up assessment in the military.

By SarahConnah

November 16, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

Well, guess Viet Nam has been declared safe enough for President Resident Evil to make a showing. What a pathetic creature! He visits an old battle zone he avoided by choice while sending U. S. service personel to die in a war of his choice! Impeach the Bush Reich!

By Chazman

November 16, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

I agree, you shouldn’t even know about their personal sexual relationships, should you?

It should be in the “closet,” right?

Hey, maybe to you, but not me. I could care less about their sexual preference. That being said, why should I not know about it? If I know their gay, I don’t care. If I know their straight, I don’t care. It has nothing to do with them being their practicing religion. Your other question: It should be in the “closet,” right?

Not to me. If they are gay, I don’t care if they are in the closet or if they let it be known they are gay. Again, I don’t care. It has nothing to do with why they are in church.

But if you think they should be in the closet, or more closer to the issue, that they should not be there to worship, I disagree but I respect your opinion.

By Dusty

November 16, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I saw Sen. Levin “grill” Gen. Abazaid and it made me cringe. Levin was so anxious to make the general give answers he, Levin, wanted. He kept repeating, then revising questions, trying to get the general to say we needed to get out of Iraq now.

Fortunately, General Abazaid was not intimidated. He appeared to be a man strong and thoughful in his opinions. Levin appeared to be a political hack trying to score points.

The thought of Levin becoming Secretary of Defense is distressing. He already has his mind made up and thinks he knows more than the Generals, the President and the country in general. This is obviously a self inflated opinion.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

By Liberal Christian November 16, 2006 09:28 AM “well adjusted worshippers, only seeking refuge from the degeneracy of the secular world, have to except sin into their midst? “ I suggest that you read the book again. Pay attention to its directions. Christianity is not a refuge from degeneracy. In fact it is quite the opposite. It is a charge to enter into the world where the poor are and offer your service. Poor can mean more than just lacking material wealth, but also those who are poor in spirit. As a Christian it is your duty to be in the world and to help your brothers.

Again, would you all knowing liberals pleas show me the scripture where Jesus told those who would follow him to accept sin.

Pointing fingers and calling names and holding grudges is not what it means to be christian. Incidentally, violence and war is not either.

Blow me.

“For if you forgive men when they sin {{{{{{{against you,}}}}}}}} your heavenly father will forgive you of your sin. If you do not forgive men when they sin {{{{{{{{against you,}}}}}}}} your heavenly father will not forgive you of your sin.”

I have NEVER condemned anyone to hell for their sins, that is the job of you liberals to do. Check the archives, you will see what I mean.

I have only done as My Heavenly Father has instructed me to do:

It would be better for him if a millstone were put around his neck and he be thrown into the sea than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin.-Luke Chapter 17 Verse 2

By Liberal Christian

November 16, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

No.

The two fundamental principals of the teachings of Jesus are: 1. Love God. 2. Love your neighbor.

For whatever reason, some christians don’t consider gays their neighbors, which is sad.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

By Chazman November 16, 2006 09:49 AM That being said, why should I not know about it? If I know their gay, I don’t care. If I know their straight, I don’t care. It has nothing to do with them being their practicing religion.

What ever “religion” you think you’re practicing, it damn sure ain’t Christianity.

What you’re practicing is called secularism.

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Eric is a 9/11 truther moonbat conspiracy theorist and it is best to ignore him. He is too deranged to listen to common sense.

You’ll note that Sybil Bon Scott has pooh-poohed Sen. Levin’s influence. Every time a Leftist Democrat is pointed out to him he claims that that person is on the “fringe” and doesn’t represent the “mainstream” (like Nancy Pelosi, I presume).

RW,

Thanks for this link.

It would be great if Goldie the Witch Hunter and others who hold identical ignorant views would read it.

As we’re on religion today, this is a great link that I found which illustrates a core problem with Islam when it comes to concepts of Liberty and Justice.

By Chazman

November 16, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

What ever “religion” you think you’re practicing, it damn sure ain’t Christianity.

Damn sure? Hmmmmmmmm.

By Dusty

November 16, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Will Jones @8:58,

Perversion and hypocrisy are terrible human states but lying, whether from dementia or political purpose, is just as evil.

The Catholic Church works to heal those who diminish their faith. They have brought forth great humanitarians such as Mother Teresa. Millions have found the church’s tenents enhance their faith.

Mr.Jones, may I suggest you talk to someone in the mental health field? If you truly believe wild and impossible conspiracy theories and twisted thoughts of the President as a homosexual and conspirator, then make an appointment quickly. The time has come.

By @@

November 16, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

Liberal Christian:

I can appreciate your perspective as it relates to the pacifist approach of Christianity…

(((holding grudges is not what it means to be christian. Incidentally, violence and war is not either.)))

but, unfortunately, we have to expand on that perspective when forced to do so…

In the Beatitudes, Jesus tells us “blessed are the peacemakers” (Matt. 5:9). Also, in the Sermon on the Mount he tells us “if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” (Matt. 5:39).

Now that ^^^ alone would support your view, but within the New Testament, Jesus acknowledges the legitimate use of force, telling the apostles, “let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one” (Luke 22:36). So how can you put these two contradictory passages together?

In broad terms, Christians must not love violence. They must promote peace whenever possible and be slow to resort to the use of arms. But they must not be afraid to do so when it is called for. Evil must not be allowed to remain unchecked.

Added weight is given to this realization when one recognizes that Scripture is inspired by God. It would appear as though you are knowledgeable and thus believe the inspired word, so it’s reasonable to acknowledge the Old Testament is just as inspired as the New Testament and thus an expression of the will of Christ.

No more preaching from @@, I’m afraid of a liberal assault.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

By Chazman November 16, 2006 10:08 AM What ever “religion” you think you’re practicing, it damn sure ain’t Christianity. Damn sure? Hmmmmmmmm.

Isn’t this so typical of panty waist pinko liberalism?

You can be a rump ranger, using your digestive tract for pleasure, that’s no big issue with their “religious” views but it’s a no-no to say borderline curse words?

Can you say psycho?

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

Liberal Christian fascist,

You are preaching to an non-existent congregation.

Paul,

There is not point in responding to the obnoxious RW (the oravaginal), who is also known as Political Foreskin and many other poor puns. He is a pathetic joke who is desperate for attention and does not deserve to be taken seriously.

By getalife

November 16, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

Great news for people with bad heart valves

By America is waking up

November 16, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

Election officials in Georgia certified the incumbent as winner in a close race yesterday. The challenger did not concede and had 48 hours to ask for a recount. In Georgia, Rep. John Barrow (D) defeated Republican Max Burns by 864 votes out of more than 140,000 cast. Barrow's victory means Democrats successfully defended every seat they held in the House and Senate, as they rolled to majorities in both chambers of Congress during last week's voting.

Since he was an incumbent, there’s no change in the total number of dems vs repubs in the House, but still, the Dems didn’t lose a single seat in this election. That’s a message from the voters.

By Truthman

November 16, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

Abizaid is still beholden to Gates and the Chimperor for his job.

Since he wants to keep his job, he still parrots the noe-con “stay-the-course” dogma.

He ain’t about to bite the hand that feeds him!!

P.S. “Religion is the opiate of the masses.”

-Mao Ze-tung (he was right about that, eh!?!)

By ed lorenzo

November 16, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

BLIND LEADING THE BLIND

“Karl, we must do something about Iraq. Time is running out. It looks as if everyone wants to cut and run, including that new commission. What can we do?’

“Not to worry Mister President, I have the solution. Let me call Newt Ginrich; remember he put the government out of business in 1994? He is full of genial ideas”

“Go ahead but keep him away from promoting his surrealistic neo conservative ideas”

“Is that so” What ideas?”

“Eliminate all federal projects, subsidies, assistance, along with termination of social services, education programs, welfare, health care, transportation,…” He paused to ask Karl: “Want me to continue? Do you have another hour?”

Karl was back in an hour. With a big smile he reported:

“Newt got the answer, Mister President! It is Zell Miller. He has quickly outlined his plan to solve the Iraq problem, or the Middle East quagmire!”

“Great! What is the plan?’

“He wants 600 bombers loaded with atomic bombs. He will target Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Burkina Faso! He assures me that there will be no more insurgents not radicals or extremists”

“What is going to happen to our oil? We have 50 year contracts”

“Did you know that radioactive gasoline is twice as powerful as the best high octane blend?’

By Paul

November 16, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this

@@ at 10:18 last sentence

Good call. Now, about Sen Murtha’s appearance on Hard Ball decrying ethics reform as “total crap” and how that squares with Sen Pelosi’s support after she vowed to clean up Congress…

By Andy is a moronic hypocrite

November 16, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

Andy says: “I have only done as My Heavenly Father has instructed me to do.”

Right after saying: “Blow me.”

I don’t think Andy worships the same god that christians worship. His is more phallic shaped

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

@@,

Isn’t it interesting how the “liberal” claims that only his interpretation is correct, in the most sanctimonious manner.

Paul,

I confused “Eric” with “Will Jones”. It is Mr. Jones who is the total nutball.

Eric is just one of those hypocrites who foments hate when he claims that “Right Wingers” are hateful.

By Diogenes

November 16, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish (936)

That book was the article you cited to me. I just looked it up and read a few paragraphs. I think we’re discussing two slightly different things. I’m talking about the structure of our legal system; you seem to be speaking to a broader context, perhaps the mileau of ideas that came together in the creation of the new nation. If so, then I concede the point. Even so, Colleen McCullough’s novels are carefully researched and greatly detailed. Caesar, of course, was one of the most charismatic leaders of all time.

By Paul

November 16, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish

Thanks. Multiple names? The poster who minored in psych ought to get right on that.

By Diogenes

November 16, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Please inform Madame Speaker that if she acts like a Republican the red tide will wash her out to sea.

By Diogenes

November 16, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I’ve had a halogen bulb installed in that old lantern of mine. Whoever it was first mentioned the “fog of battle” (I am of the opinion that it was Sherman, but please correct me if I’m wrong) never encountered the fog of politics.

By Chazman

November 16, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

Isn’t this so typical of panty waist pinko liberalism? Can you say psycho?

Isn’t this so typical of those right wing religous zealots? Now, you insinuating that I am psycho is not a very moral thing to do! I think Jesus would frown on that. You quoted scripture a while ago, can you dig some up to show that the good book does not think highly of that? Or do you pick and choose your scripture carefully to fit around your actions?

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

Truthman,

What do you think Socialism and Communism are if not “the opiate of the masses”.

They get hooked on generous and unsupportable social programs and instincts like self-reliance are diminished by the drug of dependency. Slowly but surely their cultures die out. See Europe.

Mao was very clever with his Little Red Book sayings (which he force-fed his people in lieu of food which was hard to come by under his regime).

It’s pathetic that Useful Idiots like you choose to quote someone who unleashed unspeakable horrors upon millions of people as some sort of example of secular righteousness.

By ed lorenzo

November 16, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

A CHAT WITH ALLMIGHTY GOD

“God, please excuse me for interrupting your siesta but I have some urgent questions to ask you”

“Never mind. By now we are used to listening to you bipeds raise more Cain than the fellow in the hot basement downstairs. It’s gotten so that even old Pete is thinking of turning your miserable little planet into fossil fuel. Now, what bothers you?”

“Is it true that you agreed, or advised, or tacitly approved our President’s plan to invade Iraq? He claims that you were consulted and that you gave him the green light. Is that true?”

“Not again! Is the cowboy from New Haven telling stories again? I have never talked to him. The last Bush I talked to was about 100 years ago and, if I remember correctly his name was Anhauser. He was a great salesman, same as the samples he had. We really hit it off!”

“You see dear God, he has made such a mess of things that a few million of our citizens are planning to move to Canada, Mexico or Costa Rica. If that should happen we shall have to build another wall but this time to keep them from escaping. What can we do, besides praying?”

God smiled with that radiant charm of his and started to laugh loudly. In between spasms of laughter he replied:

“Why ask me? Ask four f…… doctor!”

By @@

November 16, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

Well Paul. I didn’t pay Pelosi and Murtha to strap on that suicide belt.

I’m against terrorism and am therefore, against Murtha and Pelosi.

I tend to avoid the Murtha controversy because he reminds getalife of his grandfather. It’s my kindly heart curse I mentioned the other day.

getalife: The reconstructive cells acquired from amniotic fluid sounds like a good thing. All newborns should have their own savings account. Further research may offer an alternative to embryonic (discounted baby) transplants. <———- Doesn’t that sound just awful?

Discounted embryos…transplants… commodities. It’s not looking to good for mankind.

By The Way

November 16, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

Test your Religious IQ Here:

How many gods do you see in your life?

A) One

B) Zero

C) Infinity

D) Allah the above

By Diogenes

November 16, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I’m a little fuzzy on history here. Was it Pope Urban II or Pope George II, who hearing rumors that the Saracens were creating a WMD (either an extra large catapult or an A-Bomb, I’ve forgotten which), called for a Holy Crusade to drive the infidels from the ancient city and thereby bring the learning of the ancients to the benighted peoples. That’s the way it happened, right?

By Paul

November 16, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

Diogenes

“Fog of war” is generally credited to Carl von Clausewitz, an 18th century Prussian military theoretician. It refers to the uncertainty that develops in military situations - rather like the statement that the plan lasts until the first shot is fired.

BTW - remember all the ridicule Rumsfeld took about “known knowns, known unknowns, unknown knowns” etc? That’s part of what’s taught in the war colleges (services’ 9-month long education program for senior officers) as part of the process of conducting military planning. I heard the talk show hosts and late night commentators and thought “right, those guys wouldn’t get through the first month of academics.”

By The Way

November 16, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

Dammit, Diogenes, the first one to say, “Fog of Battle” was Yogi Berra.

By The Way

November 16, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

No, Fuzzy Dio, that’s the plot to Police Academy 3.

By @@

November 16, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

The Way a/k/a/ Political Foreskin a/k/a/ GOD at Wooten’s yesterday.

We know how many you see don’t we.

A reflection of your NEED to be….or….KNOT head?

By Paul

November 16, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

Diogenes

If I recall correctly, it was Pope Zapatero who issued the call along with “I’m the Real Pope” Chirac after Sultan Ahmadinejad showed up at their border asking “Now, about that caliphate…”

Fun’s over. Duck. (the other religion angle was about played out, anyhow).

By The Way

November 16, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

@@ would save the contents of her own douchebag as part of her pro-life ministry, yet send thousands of men to their deaths on the holy fantasies of an annointed president.

@@ weilds logic like a terrorists, except that she uses strap-on-depends and likes to get in close and let innocent children have it.

Ignorance and Hypocrisy are conjugal siblings.

By Bemused Humanist

November 16, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

Just for the record, “religion is the opiate of the masses” is a quote from Marx, not Mao.

There is an interesting, intelligent, civil discussion on Blue Dog Democrats over at Mr. Wooten’s blog today (with one exception, of course.) Amazing how perspicacious individuals on both sides of the political spectrum can be once all the childish, boorish insults have been dropped.

By Jenn

November 16, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

Goldie 924, I guess the gays won’t ever cheat or get divorced?

By Dusty

November 16, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

Ed Lorenzo,

If you don’t mind, I will “chat” with God myself and not on a blog. Somehow I don’t think of God as “cute”.

Perhaps there is an amateur playwriter group that will be glad to listen to your Bush-bashing drama every day.

I will say one good thing about your writings. They are not excessively long.

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

Diogenes,

Yes, I am talking about broader concepts which made their way into our Founding Documents, like the Constitution which is the “law of the land”. That is why I believe it is sophistry to claim that religion and law are entirely separate.

I’m not quite sure what connection you are drawing with Caesar and as he was born before Christ, but I loved Thornton Wilder’s novel, “The Ides of March”, although it has been MANY years since I read it in Eighth grade along with Shakepeare’s tragedy.

By @@

November 16, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

The Way a/k/a/ Political Foreskin a/k/a/ GOD @ Wooten’s yesterday:

It appears by your sexually deviant posts that you are the product of sibling consummation by consent resulting in mental illness.

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

Political Foreskin AKA By the Way et al

I am going to put my principles of free speech aside for a moment and say:

Hire a shrink or STFU. This is a political blog, not a psycho ward for unemployed “comedians”.

By The Way

November 16, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

Well!

By Liar

November 16, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

“I have only done as My Heavenly Father has instructed me to do.”

“Blow Me”

Tell me what kind of heaven do you think awaits When your a$$ is too fat to fit the pearly gates? It’s like the eye of a needle and a limosine Paradise is set aside for the less obscene You only care for the power that the lucre brings And you have no love for any living thing, save Mammon

And you’d like to rub their face in it Your god, your god Even though you have no faith in it Your god is Mammon, your god is dead

By getalife

November 16, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

BD,

Feel free to take your own advice.

Keep posting PF.

There are no rules except the ones Andy forced on this blog.

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

Bemused Humanist,

You are right, it was Marx, but my point to Truthman still stands. Mao took Marx’s ideas and ran with them to create his a hell on Earth.

By getalife

November 16, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

Dang, The Dems are showing no balls.

Murtha lost.

By Diogenes

November 16, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Your comment, “That is why I believe it is sophistry to claim that religion and law are entirely separate.”

In principle, our legal system and our laws are supposed to be non-religious, so I’m still not sure what significant you are attaching to the fact that we are not always capable of keeping as clean a separation between religion and legal interpretations as perhaps we should. As far as Caesar is concerned, most of his life is played against a Senate opposed to him and his actions because he posed serious threat. McCullough’s depiction of the members of the Senate, many of them historical characters, sounds very familiar at times. Recommended to you because they are very entertaining and because they show the similarities between our form of government and the Roman, and because they show the universal truth: people are first and foremost people. Our form of government is superior because the Constitution has provided for a system of checks and balances. McCullough, by the way, is Australian.

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Why am I not surprised that you welcome the postings of an obscene, psycho spammer who bores everyone but you to death with his endless soliloquies and idiotic namejacking puns?

Great team you’re on.

By Show Of Hands

November 16, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

How many of you dimwit liberals think George Burns is God?

Where do they get this Religion is all about being nice nonsense, who makes this sh-it up for them?

Barney?

Jon Stewart?

Ummm, John The Baptist: “You offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?-Matthew 3:7

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

P.S.

Your boy Murtha lost. Some brighter minds prevailed and realized that the corruption needed to be swept under the carpet not put in a leadership postion.

By rushncap

November 16, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

Not a very good cartoon, Mike. The closet they keep gays in is a) Far larger and b) is largely in the priests’ quarters.

By Show Of Hands

November 16, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

Murtha Out!

Gone!

A devastating defeat for Filthy Mouth, Pelosi and the, check this out, the Cut and Runners.

Yes!

Now resign, you pig.

By getalife

November 16, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

BD,

It is called freedom of speech.

Get over it.

Too bad they elected Hoyer and that shows they still have no balls.

We will still have checks and balances and that is good enough for me.

By Dusty

November 16, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

You are right. This is not a very good cartoon.

Besides, Luckovich should have consulted you about the size of these “closets”. You seem to be an authority on the subject.

By Liar

November 16, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

“Where do they get this Religion is all about being nice nonsense, who makes this sh-it up for them?”

You are not serving me, you’re serving something else Cause I don’t need to be pleased, just get over yourself You can’t suck up to me, I know you all too well But I don’t dwell upon you, so get over yourself Cause you’re not praying to me, you’re praying to yourself And you’re not worshipping me you’re worshipping yourself And you will kill in my name and heaven knows what else When you can’t prove I exist so get over yourself

By Diogenes

November 16, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this

Well, well, well. So all is not sweetness and light in the blue house. Means there is an even steeper climb to the big house on the hill.

Madame Speaker, get over it, forge a working alliance and get on with business. If you cannot, these two years will be like the previous six, and in the end the red tide will wash you out to sea and your legacy will be dead fish.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

America is waking up @10:22,

There is still a runoff election for William “cold cash” Jefferson’s seat coming up. The seat will remain a Democrat seat since he and his runoff opponent are both D’s but your end zone dance about no incumbent Democrat losing is a little premature.

Considering this would you really prefer to have all your incumbents win?

By the way, I consider defeating CyMc during the Summer a losing Democrat incumbent but you can claim she gave up her seat voluntarily if you want.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

By rushncap November 16, 2006 12:09 PM Not a very good cartoon, Mike. The closet they keep gays in is a) Far larger and b) is largely in the priests’ quarters.

Sounds like rushncrap may know all the ins and outs of swinging on the limb.

Speaking from experience, eh?

Did you have a “bad” “preacher” when you were young, rushncrap?

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this

Diogenes,

I am saying very simply that many of our laws are based on Judeo-Christian concepts. Our Declaration of Independence is undeniably a reflection of those concepts. That is not the same thing as establishing a religion.

It happens to be a pet peeve of mine because I am weary of hearing about how Christianity sucks and we’re no better than Islamofascists.

Christian men brought us the greatest country in human history, and while both have their flaws, they’re the best we’ve got.

Even Atheists and Agnostics should be able to pursue happiness here. Unfortunately many of them want to destroy the very foundations which gave them these Liberties. It is there right to deny the existence of God, but they cannot make up their own facts about our Founding and deny its Christian heritage.

If Collen McCullough is anything like Prime Minister John Howard, I would enjoy reading her!

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

rusncap,

Just to complete some unfinished business from yesterday, I can back my claim about paleontologists being less in lock step with the Church of Darwinism than evolutionary biologists through empirical evidence.

It’s the evolutionary biologists that keep putting forth their dolphins with feet and the paleontologists that keep shooting them down via the fossil record.

I don’t have time to discuss this today and it really doesn’t matter because there is no disputing what I just said.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

Why aren’t the libs on here going nuts about Murtha going on Softball and lying right to Tweety Bird’s face, not once, not twice, but three times last night?

Tweety Bird: Will you win the leader seat

Mothra: I’ve got the votes

Tweety Bird: You do have the votes?

Mothra: I have the votes, Tweety

Tweety Bird: Eye to eye now, do you have the votes.

Mothra (looking like the lying sos he is): Yes Tweety, eye to eye. I HAVE the votes.

Final tally Hoyer 149 Mothra 86. He sure can lose the votes fast.

By Goldie

November 16, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

“Hire a shrink or STFU. This is a political blog, not a psycho ward for unemployed “comedians”. “

Uh-oh, the blog Nazis are back!

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

RW,

Maybe this is that example of evolution we’ve been looking for!

Either the cat bred with a dog, or a dog evolved from a cat (or the whole thing is a hoax).

By Goldie

November 16, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

“Why aren’t the libs on here going nuts about Murtha going on Softball and lying right to Tweety Bird’s face,”

Looks like you’re “going nuts” here all by yourself again, RW!

LOL! :-)

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

RW: This is the same lying rag that the liberals are so happy to believe when he slanders our soldiers.

Losers.

Maggots.

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

How’d you like to be the lawyer assigned to this case.

Well heck, why not allow people to marry dead people? I mean it doesn’t say anything about them having to be alive now does it?

By Dusty

November 16, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

You remember the movie “The Thornbirds”. That movie was taken from the book with the same title and written by Colleen McCoullough.

The movie with Richard Chamberlain won many awards.

I didn’t know the author wrote any heavy political volumes, just entertaining fiction.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

Mothra couldn’t even win with Speaker to be San Fran Nan using mafioso strong arm tactics:

Gillibrand said she told Pelosi she will vote for Hoyer because he twice traveled to New York to campaign for her. She said Hoyer telephoned three weeks ago seeking her support and she gave her word.

Gillibrand said Pelosi “shared with me her views about how wonderful” Murtha was “and the leadership he could provide.”

In the same meeting, {{{{{Pelosi asked Gillibrand for her preferences for House committee assignments, a critical appointment that the speaker controls}}}}}.

Vote for Mothra or you’ll be washing my car, freshman! Now off with you.

By Republicans for Wicca

November 16, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

MADISON, Wis. - The Star of David is OK, as are more than a dozen variations of the Christian cross. Even the atomic whirl used by atheists gets the thumbs-up from the federal government.

But a Wiccan symbol representing earth, air, fire, water and spirit isn’t recognized by the federal government for veterans’ grave markers.

A federal lawsuit filed Monday accuses the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs of violating the constitutional rights of Wiccans because the government does not allow its symbol on headstones in national cemeteries.

It’s ever soooooooo nice when the Republicans labor so hard to break down the barriers between church and state in our society. It allows for religious exposure and diversity that would otherwise be impossible to achieve without the tireless efforts of the extreme right. We should all support the Republican efforts to reduce seperation of church and state so that more religions can acquire the governmental stamp of approval and that religions such as Wicca can have greater governmental and subsequent societal acceptance.

Republicans for Wicca, go team go ! ! !

By Paul

November 16, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish 1:13

One of my earlier conversations with a “no difference between Christianity and Islam” folks clarified his position was not doctrinal - just that he felt both were based on myth, therefore both the “same.” Given there is not much point in discussing matters of faith in such circumstances I find it easier to let the subject go.

But a cultural (which, I think, has roots in the theology) difference. You’re aware one of the great attractions of Christianity is its proclamation that all - men, women, races, free, slave, (yes, even Democrats and Republicans) are equal before God.

Contrast this with the attitude I read from a wire service story at the time of Abu Ghraib. Reporter interviewed a person who’d been held there under Saddam, then was one of the people abused by the renegades. He was asked which was worse - he replied, emphatically, that it was worse under the Americans. The reporter asked why. His response? “Because they made us feel like women.”

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

Goldilocks,

As I said, I made an exception for my usual policy of free speech, which is far more than Getalife’s and others who have told us to shut up and go away on numerous occasions.

But hey, if you think PoFo’s obscene jokes are worth it, you go right ahead and be his cheerleader.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I love the name of the University where they plan to test this obvious cat/dog evolutionary marvel.

Passo Fundo University

That sure sounds like it could translate to Pass the Cash University.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

I’m not surprised that you think I’m going nuts when I quote Mothra, but they are his words not mine. We’ve been telling you that corrupt piece of troop slandering trash is crazy for months.

By @@

November 16, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

It really is going from bad to worse in the U.K.

Babies of 22 weeks ‘shouldn’t be saved’

‘If the child is below 22 weeks our suggestion is that the parents are advised the child will not be resuscitated unless the unit is able to establish a properly approved and ethically scrutinised experimental study, and the parents understand it is an experimental study,’ she said.

Sorry, off topic, but you have to click on the internal link to see why this would be so wrong.

Even if they are disabled, they possess great value and are able to enjoy life.

The doctors can make the decision only if they can experiment on the baby?

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

RW,

That must have been the University that Alcee Hastings attended.

Nothing like having an impeached Federal Judge serve head the Intelligence Committee. The good news for him and his substantial debts is that he’d be in on all the best places to grow poppies.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

By Spammie R November 16, 2006 01:41 PM MADISON, Wis. - The Star of David is OK, as are more than a dozen variations of the Christian cross. Even the atomic whirl used by atheists gets the thumbs-up from the federal government.

Spammie Radical Of Anti Yahoo! (Or what ever:) Which came first the chicken or the ACLU?

Shoulda left our Crosses alone.

By rushncap

November 16, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

Dusty dearest, are you trying to imply that I’m — gasp! — gay?? Oh no no no, whatever shall I do. Soon she’ll start accusing me of being black or of being tall enough to play center in the NBA! Heavens to betsy!

Don’t you neocons get it? You THINK you’re insulting us by calling us “gay”, but it simply is not insulting. It’s insulting to you, not us. Get it through your thick skulls and into whatever is left of your brains.

By RE

November 16, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

@@, I saw that article as well. 22 weeks is just at 5 months, not into the 5th month, right at the start of it.

When something like this comes up, there are plenty of moral and ethical considerations. It is a suggestion, not a policy, but will most likely be followed. Please do not turn this into a “doctors want to kill babies” arguement. There is a difference between disabled and a baby that is not viable. at 5 months, a baby cannot live because it’s lungs are not yet formed. that is not a disablilty. That is a condition that makes the baby unviable.

With a baby on the way, I hate seeing things like this because I know there is so much out of my control. This is not some ethical question, it is simply a medical matter that the baby is not formed to the point where it is able to live yet.

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Rushing out, but briefly -

Whether or not God is a myth, it is dangerous to let the falsehood that there is no difference between Christianity and Islam stand.

There are Islamic States which are headed by and breeding a very frightening bunch of psycho killers as we speak.

Even the majority-Muslim countries which are not officially Islamic states have hordes of radicals just waiting to blow things up and celebrate death.

Pretending that this is the same thing as what goes on in the United States is “empowering” the madmen, and that is not a question of “faith” but of indisputable reality.

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

Woops - that should have read “serve as the head of the Intelligence Committee” in my 2:03.

Later…

By Andy is a moronic hypocrite

November 16, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

OMG! I found a picture of Andy! If you’re curious click here

By getalife

November 16, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

The gop will elect that pos boner who blamed the troops for Iraq.

Talk about bashing the troops and the silent monority stays silent about this outrage.

Pathetic.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

And don’t shed any tears for Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi. Even though her guy lost, this was still a big win for her. A victory for taking a stand — and for her leadership. Because that’s what real leaders do, they take stands. They listen to their hearts and follow their gut. If you only jump into the fights you’re sure you can win — notches in the W column that will look good on your political resume — you’re a hack, not someone who can move the party and the country forward. It’s not about trying to have a spotless record; it’s about knowing which battles are worth fighting, whatever the outcome.

Please let me know if that doesn’t sound about 180 degrees off of the way they describe any Republican that takes a stand.

By Republicans for Wicca

November 16, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

Shoulda left our Crosses alone.

Naw, when you guys get all stirred up and crazy you always go so far off the deep end that you end up biting your noses off to spite your own faces. That’s a good thing.

Keep up the good fight. Maybe YOUR religion will end up being one of the governmentally approved religions when all seperation of church and state has been eliminated….maybe the state won’t then establish standards for your religion to follow…..maybe not ! ! !

By N-GA

November 16, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I can’t wait to see your comments about Buy Danish’s 2:21 post. It’s amusing to listen to her state that Islam and Chritianity are different, then support her argument by noting differences in Moslem countries versus the United States. Seems she confuses religion/faith with governments/political entities.

I find it can be difficult to debate serious issues with her…but then you have to decide for yourself.

By Proud Pinko Liberal

November 16, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Murtha’s defeat was mostly about the slight appearance of wrongdoing in the ABSCAM mess from 20 years ago. You see we don’t want the stench of dishonesty even if it’s weak (he was never indicted). Repugnants on the other hand will hold their noses and put up with it if it serves the party. Damn the American people.

Sorry I can’t stay and read the crap RW and Andy are sure to spew in response.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

4 weeks=1 month

8weeks=2months

12weeks=3months

16weeks=4months

22weeks=5months

Thus 22 weeks is the beginning of the 6th month.

You’re welcome RE

By rushncap

November 16, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

Pinko — I agree. Democrats seem to be going out of their way to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. Republicans would call this gutless. Democrats would call this “yeah, well, you just lost an election because of it”.

By the way, the cynic in my wonders how long that will last. Power corrupts, I’m wondering how long it will take for the Democrats to start slipping on their moral stance. Took Repubs 12 short years to go from a party of change and virtue to a bunch of useless, corrupt (and, apparently, fairly perverted) fat cats. I hope the Dems would hold out longer before succumbing.

By getalife

November 16, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

I tend to look at the bright side.

Its a victory for ethics reform and Murtha’s comment about ethics was disappointing.

Murtha will still speak out about Iraq.

Its a win win.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

I find it can be difficult to debate serious issues with her

N-GA,

I don’t think it’s just her, you can’t debate serious issues with anyone. Maybe it’s you, you reckon?

PPL,

Last I checked you didn’t drum Mothra out of the Congress, you are still bust campaigning for William Jefferson, and you’re getting ready to name a man that was a Federal Judge that was then impeached and convicted of taking bribes, as head of the Intelligence Committee.

Sorry you are scared to stay and debate.

By Goldie

November 16, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

No, RW— no liberals “going nuts” today. The Dems will control Congress starting in January and all is well:

After the vote, Ms. Pelosi smiled broadly and offered “great congratulations” to Mr. Hoyer. “I look forward to working with him in a very unified way to bring our country to a new direction for all Americans, not just the privileged few,” Ms. Pelosi said. “We’ve had our debates,” she said. “We’ve had our disagreements in that room, and now that is over. As I said to my colleagues, as we say in church, let there be peace on Earth, and let it begin with us. Let the healing begin.”

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

By Spammie R November 16, 2006 02:30 PM Keep up the good fight. Maybe YOUR religion will end up being one of the governmentally approved religions when all seperation of church and state has been eliminated….maybe the state won’t then establish standards for your religion to follow…..maybe not ! ! !

Spammie Anti Radical: Maybe someday when you grow up you will realize what a weak minded person it is that gets bothered by some simple reference to Religion.

And doesn’t have the confidence in their own beliefs enough to shrug it off.

Naw, you won’t.

By @@

November 16, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

RE:

Congratulations on your soon-to-arrive new family member.

I’m not making this your ethical question, I’m examining my own. I had linked to another article from the U.K. the other day which basically said that if they can be given the right to terminate disabled children after birth, then they could avoid terminating pregnancies before birth.

I was thinking, gee…how about giving them a chance in both instances. Would that be too much to ask?

I still say it’s not right. The proof is in “little puddin’s”.

Alex Franks became Britain’s most premature baby when he was born at 21 weeks and six days in February 1999.

Under the recommendations, doctors would have automatically made no attempt to keep him alive because he was born before 22 weeks. Thanks to the incredible skill of medics, he survived.

Now seven, despite being slightly behind in development, he is a normal, happy boy and lives with his parents Carrie and Andy in North London.

You can make your own call, but I’m gonna make mine. I can’t support abortion on demand anymore. I had no way of knowing it would escalate into this kind of thinking.

Don’t you worry now. Yours will, most likely, be bouncing, happy and healthy.

By Faux News- The Rep[ublican Family Values Network

November 16, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

LOS ANGELES - Relatives of the victims in the Simpson slayings case are lashing out at the planned publication of a book by O.J. Simpson in which he discusses how he would have committed the killings of his ex-wife and her friend “if I did it.”

“He destroyed my son and took from my family Ron’s future and life. And for that I’ll hate him always and find him despicable,” Fred Goldman said in an interview broadcast Thursday on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”

The book, “If I Did It,” is being published by ReganBooks, an imprint of HarperCollins Publishers. It goes on sale Nov. 30. Fox, which like Harper Collins is owned by News Corp., is airing a two-part TV interview of Simpson on Nov. 27 and 29.

When Faux news manages to take it’s tongue out of King George’s keister for a couple of minutes, they offer OJ some juicy prime time coverage to hawk his book so that he can make another couple a million bucks off of killing his ex and her boy toy.

Faux News sure has a lock on those good ole’ ‘Republican Family Values’ ! ! !

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

By rushncap November 16, 2006 02:42 PM Pinko — I agree. Democrats seem to be going out of their way to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. Republicans would call this gutless. Democrats would call this “yeah, well, you just lost an election because of it”.

rushncrap: Is this psycho hour, you libs gonna start telling eachother sweet bedtime stories and make all this fuss go away?

Hard time dealing with reality?

You know the democrats are the ones presenting the case against Murtha, they’re too stupid to realize it?

I guess they figure idiots like you will lull yourself to sleep before you notice.

By Dusty

November 16, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

@@,

I know of your wonderful work with children who came into this world in a state considered less than normal. You love them, teach them and enjoy them. I am full of admiration for the work you do so willingly and cheerfully.

But I must say one word for doctors. It is not just the abnormalities the doctors see, it is the suffering that often follows the short lives of their patients. Is every minute of life valuable if it is spent in suffering?

May I give you one example? When I worked in a children’s hospital there was a baby about six months old with AIDs. He was swollen, unconscious and in an incubator connected to many tubes. Doctors tried every treatment known but each one cleared one thing and caused another problem. They extended the baby’s life until all of his systems finally failed and he died.

When I looked at his blood smear in the laboratory, his red cells were mixed with an abundance of fungus, right in the blood stream. I had never seen anything like it. But the doctors had done all possible to extend his life.

Maybe the British doctors have come to the realization that there must be two answers considered to this extension of life.

I only mention this because the doctors themselves have some terrible decisions to make almost momentarily. I do not condemn or envy them with the decisions they sometimes have to make.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

I should say

20weeks=5months

thus 22 weeks is in the middle of the sixth month

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

gitmolife: Your new house majority leader has said that the cut and run crowd are blooming idiots. In fact, he’s more hard core on Iraq than Bush and Cheney are.

Is that the “bright side” you’re talking about?

By Andy is a moronic hypocrite

November 16, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

As Andy likes to provide the definition of words he thinks (there’s a concept, Andy thinks?) are misused I decided turnabout was fair play. Can anyone find any relation with Andy’s use of Spam or Spammie or whatever to the real definition?

spam

• noun 1 trademark a canned meat product made mainly from ham. 2 irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of users.

• verb (spammed, spamming) send the same email message indiscriminately to (large numbers of users).

— DERIVATIVES spammer noun.

— ORIGIN apparently from the first two and last two letters of spiced ham; the Internet sense apparently derives from a sketch by the British ‘Monty Python’ comedy group, set in a cafe in which every item on the menu includes spam.

By Huge

November 16, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

Looks like the neo-cons have found their stride again! The burning sting of hemmorhoids, I mean last week’s elections, seems to be wearing off!

“I find it can be difficult to debate serious issues with her…but then you have to decide for yourself.”

N-GA,

Difficult? That’s being gracious. More like as the character Crash in Bull Durham said, “Having a conversation with her is like a Martian talking to a Fungo”.

She’s just seems to have an enormous amount of hatred for others who disagree with her and she sure has some odd beliefs! You want to get her really riled up? Ask her about Dearborn, Michigan! (My guess is she has listened to WAY too much right wing radio.)

As for her tactics, one of her faves is intentionally taking things out of context. She’s notorious for taking one sentence, or clause, out of several paragraphs and then run like h&ll with it. This whole mind-numbing and seemingly endless blathering about her righteous indignation on the no diff between christianity and islam is just the latest example. Needless and a waste of everyone’s time.

Another fave is to take one example to prove a point. For example: Hurricanes are way down this year. Therefore global warming is a myth. (I think she learned this one from suck).

Ta Ta. Off to do my capitalist pig thing!

But don’t worry, when I get back, trust me, I will have no aversion to further “debating” miss danish.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

[By Faux News- The Republican Family Values Network November 16, 2006 02:56 PM Faux News sure has a lock on those good ole’ ‘Republican Family Values’ ! ! !

AntiRadical: You sure are a slow, stupid little person, I’ve been saying for years that Fox News is really stealth pinko and they will go all in with Hillary next year.

Their freaking website is blue now, dumba-ss.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

Or it could be:

Spammie- A person named AntiRadical that posts large amounts of irrelevant Yahoo bullsh-it to another blog and blames every last bit of it on Republicans even if they had nothing to do with it.

Why?

Maybe he’s an idiot?

Who knows?

Maybe it’s a form of censorship?

“Spamming” the blog with garbage?

By Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century!

November 16, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

^-^

So many stones to cast at everyone and so little time.

Which one is You? Or is it more than one? Or perhaps all?

But I am pretty sure that no one on this board can claim to have none whatsoever.

[The Seven Deadly Sins]

[Pride] is excessive belief in one’s own abilities, that interferes with the individual’s recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.

[Envy] is the desire for others’ traits, status, abilities, or situation.

[Gluttony] is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.

[Lust] is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.

[Anger] is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.

[Greed] is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.

[Sloth] is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.

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By Andy is a moronic hypocrite

November 16, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

Spam ONLY refers to email you moron. You can’t spam a blog anymore that you can make a Bush-lover see reason.

By RE

November 16, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

Thanks RW, I guess a full term baby of 40 weeks would be born in the 10th month.

By @@

November 16, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

Dusty:

I can appreciate your perspective, as well as RE’s. It’s difficult when it’s a child unable to communicate. Who gets to define suffering? Who gets to weigh the options?

I’ll give you a “for instance”. One of the kids from school spent an afternoon at my house. Her Mom had an emergency. Her Mom had been told that the child would not survive. To look at her, you would think that this child was suffering. Physically she was a wreck. Semper loves kids. We situated her at the counter because she wanted to help me make biscuits. He quietly told me that there was no way she could enjoy life in her condition.

I was perplexed by his attitude as I stood there and watched her smiling as she patted out the dough, telling me “Thank you Miss @@, I like biscuits.”

Semper and I had reached two totally different conclusions.

By Wolves in wolves' clothing

November 16, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

One thing about realignment elections like the one we had last week is that the “moderates” in the loser party start looking even better to the mainstream. The religious lunatics aren’t likely to be running the GOP asylum for much longer. After all, if their homophobic GOTV strategy didn’t stop the Democratic landslide, we probably can’t write off the Giuliani campaign as doomed to fail in the primary as we once could. McCain’s a phony and Rudy’s a douche, but they’re both working overtime to stick a shiv in the back of the GOP leadership for which they’ve spent their careers being the moderate front-men. As Atrios notes, the media is in love with their carefully manufactured personas and will happily reinforce any “maverick” posturing they use to market themselves. If we don’t take their 2008 campaigns seriously, Rudy & John could benefit from the anti-GOP backlash as much as Dems.

By Faux News- Invaded by Hillarycopters

November 16, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

I’ve been saying for years that Fox News is really stealth pinko and they will go all in with Hillary next year.

Run for your lives everyone. Even Faux news has been invaded by the Hillarycopters. Filthy said so right before they got him with their pinko mind control ray.

Lock up your daughters before them dang liberals impregnate ‘em with chimpanzee sperm and force ‘em to get an abortion. Run for your lives everybody, run, run, run.

Arrrgggghhh, they done got filthy again! Damn, everytime they do that shiite, Filthy stays up all night dancing to show tunes. Stinkin’ pinkos ! ! !

By Lord Help Us

November 16, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

Oh, come on!!

You mean being GAY is not one of the 7 deadly sins??? What about being a liberal??? I thought it was ‘Godly’ and ‘American’ to be a gluttonous consumer???

But, but, but the ‘Christians’ and the ‘morally righteous’ don’t seem to be nearly as venemous about gluttony or envy or pride as they do about gays (or liberals). Can it be they have NO IDEA what they are talking about? Or are they just…immoral?

I am so confused…Somebody call Jerry Falwell and clear this up!

By RE

November 16, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

@@,

It is a terrible choice, and one I hope to never have to be faced with. And yes there are babies born in the 22nd week who survive, but it is newsworthy when it happens because it is so rare.

What rate of survival is appropriate to continue treatment? 1 in 100? 1 in 1000?

By Show Of Hands

November 16, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

By Andy is a moronic hypocrite November 16, 2006 03:25 PM Spam ONLY refers to email you moron. You can’t spam a blog anymore that you can make a Bush-lover see reason.

Since the pinko is trying to make a point only it cares about, does it make a sound?

By Faux News- Invaded by AntiRadical November 16, 2006 03:39 PM Run for your lives everyone. Even Faux news has been invaded by the Hillarycopters. Filthy said so right before they got him with their pinko mind control ray.

Yawn:

Rupert Murdoch Loves Hillary Clinton Conservative Media Mogul To Host Fundraiser For Liberal N.Y. Senator-CBS “News”

Only an idiot liberal would put forth a Fox News conspiracy theory about OJ and turn around and ridicule someone for a conspiracy theory.

What a dim, stupid, slow person you must be, Spammie.

By Jerry Falwell

November 16, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

Pay no attention to the Godless liberals that post in this din of iniquity.

Yes, the 7 Deadly Sins posted above are correct, but those of us who talk to God know that when the Bible was written there was no homosexual agenda and there were no liberals.

God has told me that being gay or being liberal is worse than envy, pride, anger, et al.

So, all of you should listen to the righteous and pious patriots who bend over backwards to keep you America-hating, pinko, liberal queers from ramming your perverted agendas up our keisters.

God Bless you all.

By Show Of Hands

November 16, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

LHU: I believe gay would fall under “lust.”

Probably under “gluttony” and “sloth” too, now that I think about it.

By Andy is a moronic hypocrite

November 16, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this

So if Andy doesn’t care nobody cares? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA What a moron Andy is. Andy posts as “Show of Hands” but unfortunately it can only show one because it is looking at pictures of a nude Dick Cheney as it posts here.

Remember: George Bush sucks, Dick

Cheney too.

By Andy is a moronic hypocrite

November 16, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

Andy: “Probably under “gluttony” and “sloth” too, now that I think about it.”

Again, this is a concept that is too unbelievable. Andy thinking.

By Midori

November 16, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

Andy,

you ARE a moronic hypocrite, only you refuse to own up to it.

you will cut and paste other people’s comments all day long in order to try to use their words against them, but come out looking like a bigger fool each time.

By @@

November 16, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

RE:

It’s an individual’s call. If I were making them for everyone, I’d say give them all a chance.

There’s an abortion doctor somewhere out in the midwest performing late-term abortions for $5,000. The women are saying they’re depressed.

What pregnant woman isn’t depressed with an 8 lb. cannonball resting on her bladder, swollen feet, insomnia and possibly hemmorhoids.

Are you being especially kind to your wife after what you done did to her?

I’m gone….

By Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century!

November 16, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

^-^

Now boys and girls -

Lets compare Dubya’ and his Presidency to the 7 Deadly Sins. After all he gets his marching orders from god himself.

Pride? You Betcha’

Envy? Ditto!

Gluttony? Ask me at the next fancy state dinner in my name.

Lust? As long as we define what Lust Is exactly. Lust for power?

Anger? Well I wads anger at that Saddam feller not dancing to my directions. And them Dem’s get me hot under the collar.

Greed? What Money, What Oil? What Inheritance. Cheney, tell them we aren’t greedy!

Sloth? Ok so I partied instead of worked during that National guard thing. Everybody does!

+

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

By Midori November 16, 2006 04:07 PM Andy, you ARE a moronic hypocrite, only you refuse to own up to it. you will cut and paste other people’s comments all day long in order to try to use their words against them, but come out looking like a bigger fool each time.

Skank: I’m honored that you would call me a fool.

Honestly.

Anyone who thinks getalife says intelligent things obviously doesn’t know what the word means.

That means I’m brilliant.

Thanks.

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

RE,

Are you honestly trying to argue that four weeks from today won’t be about a month?

By Goldie

November 16, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

OH, God bless you, Jerry Falwell— ye who knows Everything!

By RE

November 16, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this

52 weeks in a year

12 months in a year

4.33 weeks in a month

Unless you go to a 13 month system

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

Psst, Goldi: I think Jerry is a pinko just being a smartas-s.

He sure fooled you, though.

By I Was Against Gays Before I Realized I Love Hairy Butts

November 16, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

Anyone who doesn’t like my drivel can shove it up their a*-ses. I am a Christian, you g-d-dam-ned f*-gots. You’re all going to he-ll where you can enjoy getting your digestive tracts sodomized constantly. (hmmm, kinda sounds nice)

honestly.

You libs are hard to understand.

Thanks.

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this

N-GA Ignorant Moron,

Do you know what an “Islamic State” is and how it is just a wee bit different from how we live here in this country?Read this and get a clue

Huge Blowhard Pig,

It’s funny, but I think that it is YOU who is hysterical (and incapable of debate). It is YOU who flipped out when I mentioned Dearbornistan, and YOU immediately called ME a “bigot”.

YOU are the one who is filled with hate, particularly for Christians who you claim as part of some fabulist fantasy are “polluting” your world and “forcing you to say morning prayers to a Diety”.

You are such an ignorant snot that you don’t even know the difference between an established faith - the faith of the men who founded this country - and “voodoo”.

Differentiating between Islam and Christianity is not “righteous indignation” or “a needless waste of everyone’s time” but a very necessary distinction to make as, forgive me if I frighten you with a shot of reality, we are at currently at war with Islamists. In order to win a war it is necessary to identify the freaking enemy.

YOU are the one who “takes things out of context and runs with it”, like yesterday when you quoted “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion” but left out the critical “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” (your favorite pastime).

As for Global Warming, I have many reasons to be a skeptic, but I have never used a weak hurricane season as proof except perhaps as a JOKE.

I have pointed to things like farming in Greenland during the Middle Ages which, correct me if I’m wrong, pre-dated SUVs. That natural occurence would indicate to anybody but a Useful Idiot that humans don’t have a hell of a lot to do with causing it.

BTW, you may enjoy the fruits of Capitalism, but I have you pegged as a Marxist. Socialism is very popular in Islamic States, so you might feel right at home in one of them and you’d be able to kick Christians around to your heart’s content.

By RE

November 16, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

Fun with math!! for RW

3 months would be 13 weeks

6 months would be 26 weeks

See how easy it is!!

By Paul

November 16, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish 2:21

My remarks were specifically limited to the case where an individual states “no difference” among any religions (those two cited as example) to make a statement regarding “falsehood” of all religion. Those are the comments I let pass.

I do agree - there are a number of apologists for militant Islam - and I feel a responsibility to set the record straight, as I understand it. Saw a guest editorialist a month or so back - rare type who’d been involved in the militant Islam movement - said he rather found the people who made such bland comments as ignorant, insulting types. Straight from the horse’s mouth!

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

RE,

I don’t really care if you go to a sundial, if a baby is born at 22 weeks it shouldn’t be automatically discarded with no parental consultation or evaluation of how to give the child the opportunity to develop.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

Psst, Goldi: Careful with old “I was gay” at 4:45, I’d be willing to bet it’s a pinko too who has spent quite some time thinking this “hairy butt” thing through.

Or maybe even living the whole experience.

So don’t you scold him.

By Paul

November 16, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

N-GA at 2:34

I read your post just after I responded to the 2:21. I trust you interpret my remarks as being applied to “militant” Islam - the al Qaeda variety -

Saw another editorial writer a while back - argued Islam should have a “Reformation” similar to what occurred with Christianity in the Middle Ages, if for no other reason than to highlight the divisions within the faith and to call for where the faith needs to go. That would be truly interesting, but I don’t think it’ll happen.

Just saw changes in law in Pakistan - Musharraf pushed through - regarding treatment of women in rape cases (old law, based upon Islamic law - woman reported she’d been raped, had to produce four male witnesses, if she couldn’t she’d be prosecuted for adultery). Many lawmakers opposed the change.

Thaere is a point, though about the differences in the societies. In the West the governments exist to provide functions separate from the “Church.” In Islamic countries (generally) the government exists to serve the “Faith.” Indeed, many see it as subservient. So I think I take the drift of Buy Danish’s argument.

By RE

November 16, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

Way to avoid admitting you were wrong about something!!

And I agree with you, the baby should not be discarded at 22 weeks without consultation. And they did not say it would be, it was a advisory statement, not a policy.

Thing is, most folks do not know a whole lot about embryonic development. A baby is not just a smaller person, it takes time to develop all the systems. At 22 weeks, the pulmonary system is not developed yet. Parents should know that if the baby is born at 22 weeks, 99 times out of 100 it will die. Not because of any lack of effort on the doctors part, but because they came into the world before they were ready.

By I Was Against Gays Before I Realized I Love Hairy Butts

November 16, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this

Psst, Goldie: I love movies about Gladiators and I have seen LOTS of grown men naked.

Don’t tell anybody.

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

Since the Christian-bashers are out in force, if anyone wants to know what the Seven Deadly Sins are really aboutread this.

In the later part of the 6th century AD, St. Gregory the Great (d. 604) in his work Moralia in Job, introduced the “Seven Deadly Sins.” Gregory ranked the sins in order of their offence against love.

Note the LOVE part of it - which for the idiots out there, is the opposite of HATE.

While no list of these seven deadly sins appears as such in the Bible itself, each of them is condemned at various points in the text. A list of seven sins that God hates is found in Proverbs 6:16-19:

There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

Sounds reasonable to me.

By Thomas

November 16, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

Greetings—

I see Buy Danish is doing her sermons again.

“You are such an ignorant snot that you don’t even know the difference between an established faith - the faith of the men who founded this country - and “voodoo”.”

Funny that! After all, The “Baptist” were condidered a cult religeon, and not of the order of standard founded religeons during the founding of this country.

And This bit of wisdom from BD:

Differentiating between Islam and Christianity is not “righteous indignation” or “a needless waste of everyone’s time” but a very necessary distinction to make as, forgive me if I frighten you with a shot of reality, we are at currently at war with Islamists. In order to win a war it is necessary to identify the freaking enemy.

So it is a holy war then against all Islamist? And so we Christians are better and more moral than those who worship Allah? Is that what you are saying? That is exactly where Bush failed. He failed to identify the enemy. Even worse, he failed to identify our allies!

Are you aware how many Islamist there are in the world (in sheer numbers) as compared to the minority of Christians world wide? Are you even slightly aware of how a world war of a holy war would be so devestating that most the worlds population would be wiped out by the wars end?

Must be nice to have those rose colored glasses.

Thomas

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

Yes and if 3 months begins February 1st it is 89 days, but if you start July 1st it’s 92 days. Who the f cares? Whether you should automatically throw a baby in the garbage can if it has developed for 22 weeks in 7 day increments is what the discussion is about.

By RE

November 16, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this

I don’t care if you know how many weeks there are in a year either.

Your right, the discussion is about what to do with a 22 weeks old baby. I am saying that a 22 week old baby is not formed to the point where it is viable 99% of the time.

Any dispute about that?

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

By RE November 16, 2006 05:09 PM Thing is, most folks do not know a whole lot about embryonic development. A baby is not just a smaller person, it takes time to develop all the systems. At 22 weeks, the pulmonary system is not developed yet. Parents should know that if the baby is born at 22 weeks, 99 times out of 100 it will die. Not because of any lack of effort on the doctors part, but because they came into the world before they were ready.

REbot: You can take a naturally born infant, lay it on the ground and walk away, it will be dead within 3 days.

Because it was not ready to feed itself.

So right there goes the whole entire argument about whether a baby can be aborted because it’s not “viable,” after all, children aren’t really “viable” until they’re 16, and I’m using your example.

All life is viable to me, by the way.

I’m not looking for an excuse to kill the kid like some people are.

By Buy Danish

November 16, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

Thomas the talk engine,

Get a freaking clue. Half of what I wrote that you quoted were quotes that I took from Huge Blowhard.

An ISLAMIST is a sub-category of someone who practices Islam. I’ll go out on a limb and say we are better than Islamists, considering how we revere life while they revere death.

WE are not in a religious war - THEY are - and yes, I am very aware of how many of them there are.

BTW, I am not a Baptist, so I don’t know what you’re babbling about in that regard.

I have to run. Feel free to post more idiotic blatherings. I can entertain myself by reading them later.

By RE

November 16, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this

Tom Delay:

But it was renegade DeLay who had a surprise. “I’m going to shock you,” said he. “I think the real Person of the Year ought to be Nancy Pelosi, the new speaker of the House. She worked for years putting a strategy together, building a huge coalition. She held the Democrats together in the House like I have never seen before. She is going to change America!”

By RE

November 16, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this

Andy;

At 22 weeks, a baby does not have developed lungs and cannot breathe on it’s own.

Not talking about starving a kid to death. We are talking about lungs that cannot absorb oxygen. No matter what they do to try to save these kids, 99 out of 100 die.

Read a book

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this

Despite widespread misinformation about how “liberal” Giuliani is, this group’s 180-degree reversal shows what can happen when conservatives scrutinize Giuliani’s entire performance. Giuliani chopped overall crime 57 percent, slashed homicide 65 percent, graduated 649,895 New Yorkers (58.4 percent of relief recipients) from welfare to work, curbed or abolished 23 taxes, sliced the tax burden by $8 billion or 18.9 percent of personal income, halted racial and gender quotas in contracting, delivered 25,637 children from foster care to adoption, privatized some 23,000 apartments from bureaucratic control to individual and family ownership, and financed charter schools while fighting for vouchers. Some liberal.

By N-GA

November 16, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Your response about Buy Danish’s remarks were just as I expected. But I had hoped for better.

Thanks to Uncle Sam I’ve had the good fortune to live in several countries, including some that are primarily Islamic. Please don’t say things like “In Islamic countries (generally) the government exists to serve the “Faith.””. When you look at countries like Turkey, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Indonesia (changing now), Libya, most “Islamic” countries in Africa, you will see countries not dominated politically by religion. In each of these countries there are Moslem extremists (not so unlike certain religious extremists here in America) who would like to make their country less secular and more governed by religious law. They are minorities.

One can even make the argument that the KKK are Christian extremists (BTW they are marching in Ellijay 11/18 - Andy will likely be there). But like so many posters here, Buy Danish lets fly with sterotypical statements that tend to condemn all Moslems with statements like: “Differentiating between Islam and Christianity is not “righteous indignation” or “a needless waste of everyone’s time” but a very necessary distinction to make as, forgive me if I frighten you with a shot of reality, we are at currently at war with Islamists.”

Actually, we are at war with “terrorists” and “Baathists”. And Paul, I really expected you to come to the same conclusion.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

By RE November 16, 2006 05:44 PM Andy; At 22 weeks, a baby does not have developed lungs and cannot breathe on it’s own. Not talking about starving a kid to death. We are talking about lungs that cannot absorb oxygen. No matter what they do to try to save these kids, 99 out of 100 die.

REbot: 100 out of 100 full term babies forced to feed themselves outside the mother’s womb will die.

Guaranteed.

If left in the mother’s womb they would be fed through the umbilical cord.

Maybe you didn’t get to that chapter in your little book.

You libs are looking for an excuse, any excuse, to kill the kid.

By Dusty

November 16, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

RE,

Hadn’t seen or heard that comment made by DeLay about Nancy Pelosi.

He’s a better politician than I had given him credit for. He’s beating the Democrats to the upbeat “Can’t we just get along!” mantra.

Yes indeed. Everything is going to be peachy keen and there’s not an ounce of difference between us. “All for one and one for all” in one big cozy Congress.

Go, Tom, you haven’t forgotten the ropes!

By nuff-said

November 16, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this

Ah life is good! Jack Abramoff began his first day in jail today. He’ll serve 70 months for his thievery. Tom Noe will likely get ten years. Nye Safavian, Scanlon, Cunningham, Causey, Skilling, Fastow and perhaps Jefferson all will do time. Hopefully, in the interests of justice, more will see the inside of the slammer. It’s a great day to be an American!

By @@

November 16, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

RE:

Question. If the child is born to a couple, and upon consulting the couple, one chooses to sustain life and the other chooses to end the life, who is the tie-breaker?

I sure wouldn’t want to be the other half that opted to terminate with the support of the doctor. That certainly wouldn’t help sustain a relationship after the fact. Could lawsuits come into play?

It really has the potential to become complicated. And all the while, the baby has no say.

I should have been looking at “what ifs” a long time ago, but they have definitely become a part of my thought process now.

By Paul

November 16, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

N-GA at 5:46

I get hammered for being being long-written, then I abbreviate and comes your response.

The “serve the faith” comment was to illustrate the basis of faith in law - and not the Christian principle type, but the very real day-to-day practices. Governments (Pakistan as opposed to Turkey) who move to a more secular path have quite a difficult time with it. In other countries (Iran) - candidates who propose such a path are disqualified from running.

When discussing Islamic governments I sure didn’t mean rather secular Turkey, the dictatorship of Syria, the monarchy of Jordan, the (what exactly is it, anyway?) government of Egypt, the gov’t of Pakistan. There are other countries where Islamic rule intertwines with the government - Iran, where Khameni has an interesting relationship with Ahmadinejad; Saudi Arabia, where the monarchy supports Islam - same for Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait.

Several of these countries were/are in the crosshairs of the jihadists - and they had tremendous suppression efforts going back years. Egypt’s a good example. Saudi Arabia had some Faustian bargains with bin Laden that may yet prove the royal family’s undoing. These governments are seen by jihadists as betraying Islam - and a government that needs to fall.

So it’s quite a tension among many countries in the Middle East. I didn’t mean to be too brief, succinct, or off the mark - but not many have the background as you to discuss this in depth. So take such comments as a launching pad - not the splashdown.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

The existing system of tax breaks for savings, homeownership and health care favors the wealthy while draining billions from the government. Restructuring these tax breaks could shrink the deficit while {{{{{{{freeing money for Democratic spending plans.}}}}}}}}-WashingtonPost

They’re gonna git yo wallet, sucka.

The economy is doomed.

By RE

November 16, 2006 06:40 PM | Link to this

It must take a staggaring amount of will power to remain so ignorant.

Lungs do not work.

No oxygen

Cannot live

No matter what you do

By RE

November 16, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this

Developmental stages from the NIH

Please not that it is generally accepted that the avioli in the lungs do not form until the 24th week, and that gas exchange is not possible until the 25th week.

This is not a moral issue.

By N-GA

November 16, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this

@@,

Your 6:30 post is the most thoughtful I’ve read on this subject. By extension, one could say that the issues you raised (and many others you did not) are the reason that it may be difficult if not impossible to legislate against abortion - there are too many what-ifs.

If a decision to abort is wrong in God’s eyes, the fetus certainly is saved and enters Paradise while the “sinner” will answer for his/her decision. Conversely, if the abortion is not contrary to God’s laws, then all is well. We may never know (on this Earth - in this life).

By N-GA

November 16, 2006 06:52 PM | Link to this

Damn Paul…splashdown…you must be at least as old as I am…BTW, I awoke in the morning for several years to the sounds of numerous muezzins competing with one another from the tops of minarets…sipped chi with the local (males)…watched legless men scooting along on mechanic’s dollies propelling themselves with two blocks of wood…you get the picture.

By RE

November 16, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this

@@,

I think in that case if the parents could not come to a decision, then try to extend life.

But it is still not so much an issue of trying to help or not. I think that parents should be informed of what is happening and educate themselves, this is also should be the responsibility of the doctor. Take a look at the development and understand what your baby is capable of at each different stage. From most of what I have seen, 25 weeks seems to be the point at which the baby is most likely to survive, it has developed to the point it is able to do so. Before 22 weeks you should not expect your baby to live, not because the doctors did not help, or you didn’t pray hard enough, or because you are a bad person, just because the baby is not ready to live yet.

Please take a look at the link to the NIH, it goes over what happens to a baby at each different stage

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

By RE November 16, 2006 06:40 PM It must take a staggaring amount of will power to remain so ignorant. Lungs do not work. No oxygen Cannot live No matter what you do

Alright REbot, so right after birth the baby can drive itself to Mickey D’s and order a Big Mac, eh?

What the F do lungs have to do with it?

By @@

November 16, 2006 07:05 PM | Link to this

N-GA:

When the government becomes involved in the death of an innocent, I’m pulled into it unwillingly. I’m having a big problem with that.

I do believe that an innocent is called back. An adult is responsible for and left to deal with the consequences through their choices. The death penalty comes to mind.

But to be allowed to victimize the most innocent because adults can’t bare the consequences of their actions is a sad state of affairs.

No choices for the baby….

By RW-(the original)

November 16, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

RE,

If the 22 week old baby can’t possibly live then your argument about making an attempt to save it’s life is pointless. If you are correct there is no way to even sustain artificial life, so there is no argument. The whole reason this is being discussed as a moral and ethical dilemma as well as a medical question, must mean there is a segment of the medical population that doesn’t agree with you.

Hell even the Iranians claim that God gives the developing child a soul at 121 days.

By I Voted For The War Before I Cut And Run From It

November 16, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

Again!: 150,000 children EVERY YEAR get molested in the public school system, why is cartoon boy dogging a few sexual indiscretions by the Church??

Does he hate God?

Does he hate children?

Does he hate the good that the Church does?

Which is it, Mikey?

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