Mike Luckovich

By Can You Say Fillibuster?

November 9, 2006 06:39 AM | Link to this

Last week Bush said Rumsfeld was welcome to stay to the end.

This week Rumsfeld RESIGNED of his own free will.

…

Is there something you liberals just can’t understand???

And what’s up with this cartoon, is Luckovich to stupid to envision the future, to much of a moron to forego the petty vicious animalistic dwelling on other’s failures or don’t you pinkos have any talking points other than “Republican’s suck?”

Where’s the “New Direction??”

Does anybody expect the democrats to govern any differently than this child draws his cartoons?

By Can You Say Fillibuster?

November 9, 2006 06:54 AM | Link to this

Let’s see here:

Georgia Governor: Republican.

Georgia Lieutenant Governor: Republican.

Georgia Secretary of State: Republican.

Georgia US Senators: Both Republican.

Georgia US House Rep Majority: Republican.

Georgia State Congressional: Republican Majority.

Atlanta’s “news” paper: A left wing, filthy a-ss rag embolden to the moonbat degenerate anti American perverts.

Representing the people? Or a left wing mouthpiece?

By bon scott

November 9, 2006 08:11 AM | Link to this

I see the drunk was up early. Or maybe he never went to bed.

This is one of ml’s better cartoons. A perfect metaphor for Rummy’s long-term planning talents. He probably drew it last week. Bush repeating his loyalty to Rummy was the kiss of death.

I loved the Fox News headline yesterday, “Hastert declines Minority Speaker post”… ummm, there’s no such thing! Losers…

By HAHAHA!!!

November 9, 2006 08:13 AM | Link to this

sAndy,

Your continued displays of your intellectual inadequacies are both amusing and illuminating. Please keep it up.

To answer your bleating above:

Bush did not say Rummy was “welcome to stay.” Bush said he WOULD stay.

Big difference there…

Rummy has offered his resignation twice before and Bush – the principled, decisive, and truthful man that he is – has turned it down and repeatedly said that Rummy was with him till the end.

Oops. Did your beloved tell a lie? Did he flip flop?

As to your second semi-retarded rant, where on earth do you get the idea that a newspaper’s purpose is to “represent” the people?

In your padded room of a world do newspapers get elected? You see, in the real world they are businesses. They exist to make money. Say what you want about any bias you perceive, you and your buddies certainly seem to pay the AJC a great deal of attention. Every time you log in here and post some of your trite, rambling, half-baked comments, the AJC makes money.

Thanks!!

By N-GA

November 9, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

Hey Lying Andy (the Bed Wetter),

Thanks for cheering me up this morning. I usually ignore your postings but I was laughing out loud at your pathetic rantings. Picturing you sitting there (since the polls closed Tuesday night) in front of your PC trying to ignore the stench and discomfort of those wet yellow panties evokes a little sympathy…NOT!

With luck maybe Ken Mehlman, Karl Rove and Mark Foley will drop in for a visit today to sponsor you into the Log Cabin Republicans. You should videotape your initiation and offer copies for sale on QVC. You should donate a portion of the proceeds to the ACLU for defending your right to be stupid.

By Can You Say Moron?

November 9, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

Atlanta’s “news” paper: A left wing, filthy a-ss rag embolden to the moonbat degenerate anti American perverts.

Embolden to the moonbat? You’re not only crazy, you’re illiterate.

Moron.

By bon scott

November 9, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this

Some of the saner minds in the GOP (and they do exist) realize what’s crashed their party.

The Neoconservatives have infected the Republican Party and the conservative movement — and their influence needs to be reduced in order for us to regain our inherent support around the country. - John LeBoutillier - NewsMax

Rampant deficit spending, explosive government growth, foreign entanglements… these are neocon traits, not Republican ones. It was the Bush GOP that the voters rejected, and not a moment too soon.

Good riddance.

By RJ

November 9, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this

Having served for this country and been witness/subject to Mr. Rumsfeld’s policies, I’m relieved things are changing. Although, I would think a better leader would have stayed put and accepted responsibility for what he’s done rather than ‘cut and run’. My only hope is that the cronyism that continues (I believe the current nominee to replace him is a friend of the President’s father) doesn’t make things any worse for the military in general. The support they need is a clear path to their safe return v. an unclear future of unstable leadership. As for comments about the newspaper itself, I don’t know anyone there well enough to insult them, and as for the past election, the vox populi has been made clear. BTW: to:in the direction of, toward; too:also, as well, in addition, excessively.

By Peter

November 9, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

LMAO

May I suggest a retirement gift for Rummy? (Something it appears he never had time to read.) Robert McNamara’s “In Retrospect - The Tragedy and Lessons of Vietnam.”

By Goldie

November 9, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

As I commented yesterday, it’s a sad situation when Americans have to punch Dubya in the face HARD just to get him to listen. He continued to think that he could lead America with only 32% of America behind him… hopefully, the Dems have now put a halt to his attempt at dictatorship.

By Shawny

November 9, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

Today’s cartoon that doesn’t suck:

http://www.townhall.com/funnies/cartoonist/GaryVarvel/2006/11/1

By bon scott

November 9, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this

Here’s another neocon rationalization in today’s Wall Street Journal. Excuses, excuses:

In the sixth year of a two-term Presidency, Americans rebuked Republicans on Capitol Hill who had forgotten their principles and a President who hasn’t won the Iraq war he started. While a thumping defeat for the GOP, the vote was about competence, not ideological change.

Yeppers. It was about competence. It was also about arrogance. The lack of the former mixed with the presence of the latter make for terrible soup.

RIP - the Bush GOP.

By Diogenes

November 9, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

Mike,

It’s a clever cartoon. Will you draw a similiar one when it’s time for Bush to go? I am of the opinion that his planning skills are akin to Rumsfeld’s. It is appropriate, of course, that it be military brass asking Rumsfeld to leave, but they’ve been telling the President that for some time now. Well done.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

Today’s cartoon: clever. This one is definitely clever.

Regarding the Senate race in Virginia: with Webb a few thousand votes ahead, last night I heard Sen Schumer (D: NY) say, in effect, the votes are in, Sen Allen should just concede. I like that - just like VP Gore in Florida? Just another example of principles matter - if your party stands to gain an advantage.

Cautious at 6:20 pm yesterday: Regarding the late-term abortion doctor in Kansas story, you wrote: By cautious

November 8, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

To Paul

“Whether O’Reilly got it right or not, he is still guilty of a very serious breach of ethics. Abortion clinics are assured of privacy by law; someone has violated the law to give O’Reilly the material. He sold his soul (and maybe the souls of several others) to get the story. If the material was that solid, he should have taken it to the DA, not made it public nationwide. Before the trials are over, the privacy of a lot of innocent people will be invaded.”

My understanding of what actually happened is the Attorney General was conducting an investigation to see if Kansas law was being followed. The courts ordered excerpts of the medical records - no names, personal information, anything that could compromise privacy - removed. The AG found, in every late-term case (some within three weeks of due date) that “depression” was listed as the medical necessity.

O Reilly’s emphasis was on the fact that 10 and 12-year olds received abortions and the clinic did not report this to the authorities so rape/child abuse charges could be investigated. In effect, child rapists and abusers could continue to victimize children.

O Reilly said a “source on the inside” leaked the information to him. No personally identifying information was available or released. That’s the way a lot of information gets to the media. Many discussions on this forum have begun from such a way.

I think the real issue here is protecting kids - say what you will about O’Reilly, that’s one area in which he’s doing some good.

By sharon F J

November 9, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this

Georgia, one of the most ignorant states in the Union, is behind in the national trend. The Republicans controlled our national government for a while, and things weren’t going so great. Checks and balances are exactly what our country’s founding fathers had in mind when they created the tripartate government. The intelligent people of the country are thrilled to see our government in action with a Republican President and Democratic House and Senate. The AJC does not “represent” people; it reports news. I’m actually glad you guys are so angry as it shows your true colors. Is it “American” to write words in a public forum such as “filthy a-ss rag”? Luckovich’s cartoon is amusing, and I bet he knows that one should write “too stupid” instead of “to stupid”.

By Goldie

November 9, 2006 08:35 AM | Link to this

I hope all of us progressive-minded Americans got a lot of sleep last night, ‘cause we got a ton of work to do! We’ve now got our hands full with several disasters created by this inert Congress — any suggestions for where we should start first?

So much to work on… I think a change in our occupation of Iraq should come first. It’s time we let the Iraqis decide the future of their own country and they need to pressure their government to start working for them!

By joe

November 9, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this

“I don’t understand it. It would be like having Murderer’s Pride Day.” — Rev. Ted Haggard, commenting on gay-pride parades in 1996

By Diogenes

November 9, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this

It annoys me that it took a “thumping” in an election for Bush to hear the vox populi. Is he trying to appease the voters by showing his decisiveness at this late date? I definitely believe Rumsfeld was asked to step down, the tone of the press conference leaves little doubt that Bush was responding to us, the voter. My opinion is that it is far too little, far too late. I heard an interview on NPR yesterday evening of a man who was once a Gates subordinate. He praised Gates highly, claiming that Gates is a realist, a pragmatist, and an excellent administrator. That sounds good until we recall who he answers to: same leadership, new point of view. I am cautiously optimistic, but no more than that.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

Shawny 8:27

That too is good.
Read a wire service story this morning of people’s reactions in Baghdad - sickening terror is not too mild a term for their reaction. I sure hope the Democratic leadership has a plan. Listening to Sen Schumer on O’Reilly last night (what?!!? A responsible Democratic Senator on that #!!@#’s program?!!? - see? I just deflected five follow-up posts) there may be hope if there’s follow-through. We’ll see.

Here’s another perspective from a cartoonist with a sharp wit: (I think that’s Sen Schumer second from the right):

Link: http://www.investors.com/editorial/cartoon.asp#

By Can You Say Loser?

November 9, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

Bad week not just for Andi but for tyrants.

Saddam gets a death sentence, Dumbya gets a Congress that is going to investigate and hound him until January 20, 2009 or until he resigns.

By cautious

November 9, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Thank you for your comments.

We’ll see how it plays out. I’m less than optimistic that good will come from it, and I fear irreparable damage could result, as I stated yesterday. The leak is a violation of the law, but O’Reilly, if he has any ethics at all, must protect his source. Let’s watch it.

By N-GA

November 9, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this

Whether or not you support GWB’s war(s), our servicemen and women deserve better than Rumsfeld. GWB’s “loyalty” and arrogance is responsible for much of their suffering and loss.

By ed lorenzo

November 9, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

RUMIE’S PENSION “Thanks for coming Don”

“Always a pleasure Mister President. Do I detect some apprehension? Probably it is my state of mind. You know, retired people are always fearful of pension plans, health care, mortgages, taxes, etc. Now, what do you want?’

“Well, it is the pension arrangements that I want to talk about”

“What about them?”

“We are going to have to cut back on a few things. With the new team in charge, we are no longer free to grant special benefits to our loyal collaborators. We are dropping the Iraq Premium of six million a year, then the Pentagon Retirement Subsidies of nine million dollars. As Secretary of defense, you lose the Hummer, the Jag, the Chrysler, the Cadillac and the Sedwick along with the 4 million dollars a year expense allowance. The Energy Department has withdrawn its offer to contribute 10 million dollars a year to your fund”

“So, what the hell am I left with?”

“How about a new job? We have some guard openings in Guantanamo”

By An Independent Viewer

November 9, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this

The country has had solid Republican (lack of) leadership for five of the last six years and finally came to their collective senses this week. Except for Georgians, who evidently are too stupid to remember that one-party government leadership leads to corrupt, power-hungry, hypocritical fools running the system and dragging everyone else down the toilet with them. God help you, because you evidently can’t help yourselves (except to the trough). And we’ll see an even clearer picture of how truly (un)Christian the values are in the State.

By cautious

November 9, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this

To “can you say loser”

Saddam gets a death sentence, but Idi Amin died a peaceful death? I rail at the injustice of it all.

By Peter

November 9, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

Now the Republicans will be able to blame the Democrats for the QUAGMIRE in Iraq. (Let’s not loose perspective … Republicans NEVER should have invaded Iraq.)

By Reverend Ted

November 9, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

Well, joe, I’m not proud of it - like most conservative Christian males I’ve spent years waking up Sunday morning with a hangover and wondering why my butt is so sore. At least now I know.

By Goldie

November 9, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

“just like VP Gore in Florida? Just another example of principles matter - if your party stands to gain an advantage.”

Paul— the voting system in FLA for 2000 was very different than what is happening now. The counting of the ballots electronically (I believe VA now has electronic machines?) is not the same as looking at punch-card ballots to determine a vote count. The vote is IN for VA, and the tabulations have not changed in Macaca-Allen’s favor. Your equating of apples with oranges is disingenious at best, and your hero-worship of Bill O’Reilly is downright disgusting!

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 08:52 AM | Link to this

The Right still claims that Rummy’s plan to defeat Saddam’s Republican Guard was correct. They won that battle in 24 days, they claim.

That’s like saying Napoleon’s invasion of Russia was the correct plan to capture Moscow. Yes, they did capture Moscow. And it was a great plan.

A war is not just invasion. A war implies that you extract your troops at some point. A war implies that there is an “apres krieg” cooling off period where the losers start rebuilding their lives.

There are six wars in Iraq: 1) the ubiquitous global war on terror we didn’t start and which is NOT bush’s fault, and which every country is a front, thus Iraq is included…..2) the war against Saddam’s remnant Bathist diehards…..3)the battle against the insurgent sunnis who perceive they’ve been disenfranchised by the Shia majority parliament…..4) the sunni/shia sectarian civil war where we are the collateral damage…..5) the shia militia splinter war….6)the ethnic tribal war which is involves not sectarian differences as much as ethnic ones. This is the most dangerous because it involves intersecting subsets of cross border tribal alliances with cartographically split tribes who have ownership designs on Iraq from Turkey, Iran, Syria, and Jordan and even China.

Yes, there are foreign tribal alliances with Iraqi tribes in china that predate history, but which are influencing the outcome in Iraq.

I demand the resignation of George W Bush effective noon tomorrow. Ditto Cheney. Lets let the Speaker run things for awhile…………D’OH!

By HAHAHA!!!

November 9, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

How about this?

First thing to do really is to start the investigation in Cheney’s “Energy Policy”…

By Diogenes

November 9, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this

To Ed Lorenzo,

In case you missed it in yesterday’s AJC, the Supermax needs guards also. Serious shortage of staffing there.

By Eric

November 9, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

Only two posts from the ultimate dumb@ss? Maybe he’ll go away for good. Maybe he was defeated on Tuesday.

By gttim

November 9, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this

Rummy’s head was an offering. If it had been offered a few weeks ago, the election may not have been a total bloodbath for the GOP. Pride and ego are deadly.

True, Georgia has almost all elected Republican officials. Slowly, one election at a time, Georgia is becoming Alabama.

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

US TROOPS ARE THE COLLATERAL DAMAGE of the IRAQI CIVIL WAR.

Oh! The Irony!

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

US TROOPS ARE THE COLLATERAL DAMAGE of the IRAQI CIVIL WAR.

Oh, the paradox! (that reminds me, I need to get a second opinion on my health problem)

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

US TROOPS ARE THE COLLATERAL DAMAGE of the IRAQI CIVIL WAR!!

Oh, the mixed metaphors! ( a simile is a comparison using “like” or “as”)

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

US TROOPS ARE THE COLLATERAL DAMAGE OF THE IRAQI CIVIL WAR!!!!!

Oh, the ambivalent feelings I have!!!

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

US Troops are the collateral damage of the Iraqi Civil War!!

Oh, the ambiguous incongruity of it all! I cant stand the contradiction!!!

It’s too much! I cant take it. We were the ones who caused all the collateral damage. Now WE’RE the collateral damage?

No! NO! Whose Idea was this war? I want heads!!!!!

By getalife

November 9, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

The troops will be out of Iraq soon.

KStreet will be shut down.

Damn, I will have nothing to complain about.

The world is cheering our choice and we will have our credibility back by doing the right thing.

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this

US troops are the collateral damage of the Iraqi Civil War!!!

It’s an enigma wrapped in an oxymoron. (and it hurtz, bro, it hurtz)

By Paul

November 9, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

Goldie at 8:50

I suppose this is a good example of how two people can look at the same situation and read different things into it.

While I do recognize the difference between the ballots in FL and VA, my point was how quickly one side will call for a concession speech when it’s to their advantage, ignoring their previous statements in “similar” situations. Many news reports stated that given the margin in VA a recount would happen. Sen Schumer’s comments were to the effect that, regardless of the margin, concede now.

I read the Gore/FL situation as one in which the Gore campaign question was “the vote count is close. We’re behind. What basis to we have to legally challenge the count? How should it be presented?” This led to the court challenges - and a major factor that cost the Democratic Party the election was the Gore campaign decision to have the recount restricted to just three counties (that were heavily Democratic) - they fought a statewide recount. That was a major factor in the US Supreme Court decision.

I’m surprised there hasn’t been a challenge yet, somewhere, given the Diebold machines prevalence and all the discussion prior to the election.

BTW - your comment “and your hero-worship of Bill O’Reilly is downright disgusting” strikes me as sad. I’ve pretty much restricted my positive comments to his work on behalf of sexually abused children (Jessica’s Law, judges’ sentences, etc.). That is the basis for my “hero worship.” If I were to follow your lead, my question to you would be “you hate O’Reilly? What? Do you want kids to get sexually abused? Do you want state legislatures and governors to allow pedophiles and child rapists to get little or no punishment? Do you? That’s why you hate O’Reilly! Admit it!”

But I won’t follow your lead and ask that. Wait, I just did. Oops.

By Diogenes

November 9, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

To Getalife,

Don’t be so sure that the troops will be out of Iraq soon. We most probably will have another strategy to deal with it, but there is no change of leadership, as I noted at 0839. PF points out at 0852 that we’ve gotten ourselves into a total mess. What the American public (which includes you and I) have picketed about was not as much the war as the strategy. Americans are most tolerant of war when they understand the plan and see progress towards that plan. I think we’ll see a radically different strategy, but same overall goal — to create a lasting peace in that area, which is most probably a contradiction in terms. No immediate pull out is my guess.

By Jenn

November 9, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

Shawny, You crack me up! LOL

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

Rumsfeld’s retirement plans are that he’s going to go back to college.

Oh! The irony!

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

Rumsfeld’s retirement plans? that’s easy: he’s going to go back to college and finish his education. (Get it? Uneducated US troops?)

Oh, the… the…. labyrinthian ambiguity of it all!!!

I could sell that joke to Leno or Letterman.

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

Rumsfeld retirement plans? That’s easy: He’s going back to college.

Oh! The metaphorical swirls of self fulfilled nation-think!!!!

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

I guess Ted Swaggart’s Bushism at christian summer camp for the righteous right was, “If you hear the bunks a thumpin’, then please come a rumpin’.”

Get it? It’s a bush speak bunch of horse manure that only a bush-christian could come up with!!!!

Forgive me. Our long national nightmare is over, and I’m a bit giddy-gaddy, daddy.

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

Cartoon Idea: Show Rummy at a press conference telling reporters that his retirement plans are that he’s going back to college and finish his education. (and spend time with his wife)

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Now that Rumsfeld is retired, he says he plans to go back to college and finish his education.

Oh! The pretzeled twists and turns of illogical contradictions and double entendres!!!!

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

Mike Luckovich,

This vicious cartoon is really outrageous! Donald Rumsfeld has served this country well out of a deep sense of duty and patriotism. We should be paying him tribute for his service, not denigrating him in such a vile manner.

Whether you personally agree or disagree with his vision for a 21st Century military is a fair argument, but this depiction of him is way out of bounds,like many of your ungrateful scribblings, and worse - it’s not in the least bit funny.

As a private citizen Rumsfeld could have profited financially and not suffered the thankless abuse that our leaders endure. For all the Left’s demands for forced “volunteerism”, people like you are making it nearly impossible to enter public service.

I am writing Rummy a personal thank you note for his service to our country, for which I am profoundly grateful. A small gesture no doubt, but it’s the least I can do to thank him.

By @@

November 9, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

Aaaahhh ml, I can see that it’s gonna be difficult for you, as a liberal commentator, to go through withdrawals (pun intended).

I can see your future cartoons now. A well-known Republican head on a Democrat’s body and vice versa.

It’ll be comical to observe your political tremors.

By getalife

November 9, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

Diogenes,

The Dems said they would confirm Gates if there was a change in strategy.

Gates is part of the Baker group and I think they will report Murtha’s plan.

The troops are a buffer between a civil war. Like Murtha said, let them fight their civil war.

We should have redeployed months ago when Murtha proposed his plan but the gop was too busy spewing that cut and run crap and staying the course.

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

RJ @ 8:26 & Sharon FJ @ 8:34,

Since you two frustrated English teachers are jumping all over someone for leaving an “o” off of too and chastising them because to has a different meaning, shouldn’t you be jumping on Peter @ 8:49 for adding an “o” to lose? Last time I checked lose and loose had two pretty different meanings as well.

By Huge

November 9, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

I was talking with a buddy of mine this morning, a marine vet of Desert Storm and we noted how different things were when he came back to this country in the early nineties than when I did, eons ago, in the seventies.

He told me that the best two words he’s ever heard were “Welcome Home”.

I can’t wait until we get to say them about 144,000 times!

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

Rumsfeld’s retirement plans? that’s easy: He’s going back to college and finish his education.

Oh! The sardonically trenchant and chaffingly mordant sneer of destiny upon our nation!!!!

Are we taking or giving a thumpin’ in Iraq? I want to know! NOW!

By Diogenes

November 9, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

TO PF,

Don’t get too giddy (PF at 0940). New manager, same old ownership. The best we can hope for from Gates is better, more accurate information concerning our strategy and our progress towards the goals set forth therein. Rumsfeld’s favorite weapon was the smokescreen. Let us hope that Gates is more open, despite who he works for.

The spy novels spawned by Bush’s war are boring or improbable. LeCarre has had to turn to Africa and its inhumanities as the inspiration for his works.

By Goldie

November 9, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

Hey, did y’all see or hear about Oxycontin Limbaugh’s catharsis yesterday? He came out and admitted that he’s been a shill for the Repugnants’ agenda, day after day after day:

The way I feel is this: I feel liberated, and I’m going to tell you as plainly as I can why. I no longer am going to have to carry the water for people who I don’t think deserve having their water carried

ROFLAO— I’m not sure if this means that he’s upped his meds or simply forgot to take them yesterday morning!

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

Goldie @ 8:50,

You never disappoint. :-) I tend to agree that Allen has no chance of overturning this through a recount, but it amazes me that since Virginia uses mostly electronic machines (Diebold?) with no paper trail, you use that as evidence that the vote is rock solid. Last week you told us these machines could never be trusted.

By Goldie

November 9, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

“He told me that the best two words he’s ever heard were “Welcome Home”.”

Huge— I’m sure that I would feel the same if I were you! To me, the best way to “support our troops” now is to get them outta that hell-hole we’ve created in Iraq!

By Paul

November 9, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

By RW-(the original) - 9:48 AM RJ @ 8:26 & Sharon FJ @ 8:34

If I may piggyback on your comment, RJ and Sharon, that did not reflect a knowledge or English, grammar or any such. They were merely an example of the phenomena known as “keyboard actuator input error.”

By Diogenes

November 9, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

To Getalife,

As I read it, Iraq is many civil wars with little or no hope of a unified government. In typical American fashion, we intervened in something that may or may not have been our business. Now I genuinely believe that Bush has bought us a situation so complex that a troop pull out could create multiple civil wars and put Iraq into the same predicament we found in Afghanistan, where it looks as if there is process, thanks to the Rumsfeld smokescreen of Iraq. My guess is that a pull out would be inhumane. We need a different strategy to eliminate troop deaths, but we’ve got Hydra by one of her many necks and dare not let go.

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

RW,

Not only that, but RJ’s “contribution” is an abomination of grammatical errors.

I guess he made it to Second Grade where they teach the difference between “to” and “too”, but he seems not to have progressed past that point.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original) at 9:56

You offered me a cautionary warning some time back when I first entered this forum. You warned against expecting consistent stances or rational arguments from some, let alone an expansion of ideas or staying on topic. I was doubtful if not incredulous.

One of the few times one will hear these words addressed to anyone on this forum: You were right!

By getalife

November 9, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

I saw that clip of Rush turning on his party but most people knew he was a radio personality and should not be taken seriously. Dittoheads are very gullible.

He is a drug addict and looked high in that clip.

By SarahConnah

November 9, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

To Can you say filibuster:

You posted:

“Let’s see here:

Georgia Governor: Republican.

Georgia Lieutenant Governor: Republican.

Georgia Secretary of State: Republican.

Georgia US Senators: Both Republican.

Georgia US House Rep Majority: Republican.

Georgia State Congressional: Republican Majority.”

You forgot: Georgia: Knuckledragging yahoo rednecks.

Curtsie!

By Goldie

November 9, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this

“but it amazes me that since Virginia uses mostly electronic machines (Diebold?) with no paper trail, you use that as evidence that the vote is rock solid. Last week you told us these machines could never be trusted.”

RW—

1) I’ve never commented anywhere that the count in VA is “rock solid.”

2) The electronic machines without a paper ballot CANNOT be trusted, but they’re all we got right now, yes? Virginia may serve as an example to America as to what the “paperless” voting machines really mean to us regarding recounts — just like here in GA, recounts cannot be done, and only the Dems have really been arguing this point up until now.

So RW, are you ready to join with the Dems in this ongoing battle for transparency in our voting systems? Say AMEN, brethren and sistren!

By SarahConnah

November 9, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Riddle:

How do you get a Georgia republican off your porch?

hummmm thinkin’ duh I give up

answer: Pay him for the pizza.

By rushncap

November 9, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

Great ‘toon, Mike. Very well put.

By getalife

November 9, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

Diogenes,

Yes, leaving Afghanistan to invade Iraq for their oil was a huge mistake.

I started researching why w would cut and run from the people responsible for 9/11 and w finally said it was about the oil.

Al Queda has found a safe haven in Pakistan and hope their is not another attempted military coup to get their nukes.

The middle east is a bigger mess than it was.

By Goldie

November 9, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

Getalife— I saw the film clip of poor Oxy Limbaugh on Keith Olbermann’s show last night and almost spit out my Chardonnay! :>)

By Shawny

November 9, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Yes, the world is celebrating…or at least some:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/09/AR2006110900229.html

some aren’t:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/08/D8L92G300.html

Jenn…you are my fave.

By Huge

November 9, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Call me a cynic, but Limbaugh is about as credible as the group he’s been doting over for years! Anyone who trusts that he’s had a moral ephiphany is probably a royal dumba$$. Oh yeah, that’s his target audience!

And I have a sneaky suspicion that had the gop won resoundingly on Tuesday (perish the thought), he would be pouring his same old crap on doubly thick.

Forking Foney Flip-Floppers.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

November 9, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

Bush said he talked to Pelosi about interior decorators for her new office -

Bush would make a great addition to the cast of Queer Eye, wouldn’t he? Along with many other Repuke poofs - Ken Mehlman, Saxby Chambliss, Rev. Ted H(F)aggard, Mark Foley, Sean Hannity, Charlie Crist (great gay name), Rush Limbaugh (even better gay name), Karl Rove, Lynn Cheney (can’t tell if s/he’s a boy or a girl), Sonny “The Pigman” Perdoofus, Jeff Gannon/Guckert, Matt Drudgepacker, Michael Silly Savage, and let’s not forget all the Luckovich Losers and the Woo-ten Klanners.

There’s a certain friend of a sailor here who’d make a great Carson…

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

November 9, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

Sarah, you go woman! ROFLs from the Pope.

By Pope rednecks - Amerikkka's Al Qaeda I

November 9, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Poor Andi/e - looks like s/he woke up on the wrong side of a wet bed this morning.

Andi/e - a rummy for Rumsfeld.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

Goldie

Call me a glutton for punishment…

Last week you leveled several blasts against me for “bashing the troops” when I offered criticism of Wesley Clark (General, US Army, retired). I pointed out that although served, he was now retired and in the political arena, therefore a target for criticism. Your response, I believe, was to “stop bashing the troops!!!”

I’m currently listening to General Clark on the Diane Rheem show on NPR. It occurred to me, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld was active duty Navy as an aviator and flight instructor, then transferred to the Ready Reserve and continued his Naval service as a drilling reservist until 1975. He transferred to the Standby Reserve when he became Secretary of Defense in 1975 and to the Retired Reserve with the rank of Captain in 1989.

So again, Goldie, reading your comments about Rumsfeld, and following your example, I’d ask you to:

Stop bashing the troops!

:)

By Can You Say Fillibuster?

November 9, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

Two solid days after the election the pinkos are still babbling in stupid mindless rage about Rumsfeld and Limbaugh.

Diebold is suddenly the most trusted name in America.

The Al Qaeda terrorists, partners of CNN and the democrat party, have told the libs that they will peacefully retire after the Iraq conflict and go back to sheep herding; that they won’t swarm to Afghanistan and start the same propaganda campaign that they and the American left wing media ran in Iraq.

If these perverts are scheming anything, it’s your taxes, I sense people drooling over the very thought.

Some things haven’t changed; red staters are still stupid even though it was them that helped to elect the panty waist feminists into office, way to not insult your new found voting constituency, they probably don’t mind being called troglodytes.

Taught them Republicans a lesson, didn’t you?

By Diogenes

November 9, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

To Getalife;

Your comment at 1020 is “The middle east is a bigger mess than it was.

Stamp that “Made In America”

By Typical Conservative Whiner/Hater

November 9, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

With regard to the negative comments about Republicans -

STOP BASHING US POOFS!

By Midori

November 9, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

Shawny and Jenn: here’s an even BETTER cartoon for you

By InsectInside

November 9, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

In the best traditions of editorial writers, (paraphrasing)Luckovich heroically rides down the hill after the battle to shoot the survivors.

By Andy

November 9, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

Paul, please stop thumpin’ the troops. I dont know what that means. But stop doing it anyway.

Viva la Bush!

Viva la war!

Viva la viva la viva la viva la viva……

By Democritus

November 9, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

To huge (1029),

I have never listed to Limbaugh, only listened to play by play from acquaintances who have. I prefer my debates to be conducted on civil terms with both sides given opportunity to state their points. I despise being shouted at by anyone, the very epitome of barbarism. Human, I guess. Glad to hear you are swearing off of him for Lent.

By Andy

November 9, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

btw: an anagram of @@ is (o)

By Huge

November 9, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

Oh BTW,

Although I usually don’t comment on the “scribbler’s” offerings and am, more often than not, ambivalent about them; I find today’s “vicious” cartoon, witty and funny as hell…

Granted, he is to be saluted as one of a tiny handful of neo-con leaders who has served in this nation’s armed forces, and in his own odd way was probably trying to do what he felt was best. Exactly for whom, I’m not quite sure. (sarc off)

But nowhere else is ineptitude and deceit on this scale excused (or at a minimum it should not be); not in business, not in sports, and it certainly can’t be condoned at the highest levels of our government, where the most important decisions in the world are being made.

The man is nearly 75 years old and he has given enough. And I wish him the best, somewhere far removed from political service…

By Political Deckhead

November 9, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

Rumsfeld has announced his retirement plans: He’s going back to college to finish his education.

Kerry is going to join an improve comedy troupe called the “swiftquotes”.

Nancy Pelosi is hot. Life could be a dream…sha na na nahhh…..

By Jenn

November 9, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

Shawny, here is a good read. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/895421/posts

By Jenn

November 9, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

Good Morning, Midori

By Reebok

November 9, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

This is a really clever cartoon…perfectly captures Rummy’s cluelessness…and on short notice, too! Or did you already have this one drawn up and archived for the inevitable day it would come in handy?

By Ditzty Malloy

November 9, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

Just think! President Bush has all that politcal capitol all saved up!

He never needed to use it because Soc Sec reform was never voted on.

Oh how soon we forget. HA

There will be NO lameduck, peasants.

By crank yanker

November 9, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

You can’t have Political Foreskin without “Poof”.

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

RJ also has a very silly argument. He claims that Rumsfeld is the cause of any problems, but should stay to face the consequences. If he really is the cause of problems why would someone want to keep the problem causer in charge. Consequences will find you anywhere.

Personally I’m going to join you in writing him a letter of thanks, lord knows he gets enough moonbat hate mail.

Paul,

It was an observation you would have made on your own about this place, I just thought I would speed up the learning curve for you.

Goldie,

Your 8:50 seems to show a remarkable confidence in the vote and the system. Why would Virginia be held up as a reason to change the electronic system if it worked so well? Please don’t try to answer that, I’d hate to see you spin yourself through your keyboard.

By Goldie

November 9, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

Congratulations, State of Georgia — you’ve now officially seceded from the Union and joined the Confederacy of Repugnants! You should be so proud!

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

If anyone would like to send Secretary Rumsfeld a sincere note of appreciation of his years of Patriotic service to this country you may write him at:

Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld Secretary of Defense 1000 Defense Pentagon Washington, DC 20301

By Goldie

November 9, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

RW— see #2 of my answer to you at 10:12. And I repeat: Are you now with the Dems in trying to bring transparency back to our voting systems? Just say “yea” — it will do you no harm!

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

Woops, I forgot that this website doesn’t recognize formatted text.

Here it is again:

You may write Rumsfeld at:

Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld/Secretary of Defense/1000 Defense Pentagon/Washington, DC 20301

By Diogenes

November 9, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

TO BuyDanish (1113),

Does Hallmark make a bon voyage card?

By Can You Say Fillibuster?

November 9, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

At last, US wakes up and boots {{{{{idiot Bush-}}}}}} Ryan Parry, US Correspondent In Washington, Daily Mirror London MILLIONS of Americans turned on President Bush yesterday as he suffered a crushing election defeat.

Finally, people in charge that these polite, mature, graceful, adult like Britons can relate to.

Sarc/ off.

By Goldie

November 9, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

A sad legacy for what’s Rummy has done to America:

If confirmed as defense secretary, Robert M. Gates would take control of a military whose ground forces are stretched and strained by a costly and bloody war and whose officers yearn to give unvarnished military advice without fear of reprisal

Write your letter of gratitude, Danish-Donut!

By Paul

November 9, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

Thanks, Buy Danish (11:13). He was a public servant - from his miliary service, civilian service, then acceptance of a difficult position in the best of times. I would have loved to have seen how his “transformation of the military” would have played out but for 9-11. I’m hearing a bit of ‘rewriting history’ from several quarters now - civilians as well as retired generals - generally ignoring the efforts of his first two years or his challenging of conventional military theory or procedures (‘he didn’t listen to his generals’). But that’s just Washington business as usual.

By Postman

November 9, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld

Secretary of Defense

1000 Defense

Pentagon

Washington, DC 20301

Mr. Rumsfeld,

For Christmas this year I would like a new daddy. My first one was killed in Irak. Mommy says you’re a SOB. I don’t know what that means but she sure is sad.

Also, I’d like world peace and an xbox.

Your friend,

Timmy

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

Diogenes,

I’m sure they do have bon voyage cards, but don’t you think it would be possible to show a little respect for someone that has thanklessly and selflessly served our country when ever he was asked?

This Wiki page may have some problems popping in and out since some people can’t resist spreading misinformation through their hatred, but it’s pretty comprehensive.

Buy Danish,

Let’s see if this works better.

Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld

Secretary of Defense

1000 Defense Pentagon

Washington, DC 20301

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld

Secretary of Defense

1000 Defense

Pentagon

Washington, DC 20301

Mr. Rumsfeld,

For Christmas this year I would like a new daddy. My first one was killed in the World Trade Center. Mommy says liberals are traitors and allies of Al Qaeda. Could you kill a few of them for me too?

Also, I’d like world peace and an xbox.

Your friend,

Timmy

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

RW,

Regarding RJ - it is an convoluted argument that only a moonbat could make.

Regarding Secretary Rumsfeld - Thanks!

I see that Huge Radio Critic is babbling away about Rush (who he doesn’t listen to but is nevertheless an expert on)here

It’s so sad that Air America went under before Huge Blowhard had a chance to broadcast this civil message of tolerance to religious madmen, err, ordinary Americans:

By Huge September 28, 2006 02:28 PM …These mopes just don’t get that there are millions of people who are never again going to allow zealots to pollute our childrens minds, IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS, with ancient, fabricated stories of devils, apocalypses and boogeymen. Never again will they be forced to attend or participate in morning prayers to their diety. Sure, they’re p** that it’s finally all coming to an end. Religious madmen have had their way running the governments, schools and everyone’s lives for centuries, but no more. And that is only a good thing…

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Polly prepuce aka wannabe letter carrier,

Why don’t you mail that very letter to Secretary Rumsfeld. I’m sure he would appreciate your maturity.

Buy Danish,

It’s kind of like N-GA hanging on every word Andy ever writes and claims to ignore them.

Off to the bunny food store!

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Paul,

You’re welcome.

As you can see, for all their pretenses of representing the “Love, Peace and Happiness Party”, most of the Left wing posters here are vicious and vengeful SOBs at heart who have no grasp of the concept of “grace”.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Goldie 11:26

The NY Times article is another example of seeing the same situation differently - or having an agenda and spinning an article.

The article “quoted” a senior military officer critical of Rumsfeld who, out of deference to military tradition, wished to remain anonymous.

Thpppppt.

That was not “military tradition.” Military protocol requires no such contacts with the press. Press inquires are referred to the Public Affairs office. The example cited is a shameful example of general officers playing the media game without the courage to resign and go public.

Rumsfeld’s “wire brush” sessions were legendary - and looked upon by many serving as good things - so general officers would give their views and/or the views of the service they represented - not the “politically correct” view that would gain them a pat on the back and another star. An example I’ve given before illustrates: after being called back for the third time and giving a presentation, a small group were sent out and told to “try again.” A one-star (brigadier) was heard to remark “I don’t know what answer he wants.” That was the environment Rumsfeld inherited - general officers whose view of giving military advice was to discern the “right” answer the civilians wanted to hear.

If Rumsfeld had any success in breaking that mindset he deserves thanks.

By getalife

November 9, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Yes, I sent him a message.

Thanks for cutting and running and losing the Iraq war. You should have listened to your Generals idiot.

Fascist loser.

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

PoFo the MoFo,

You are a despicable POS, but you knew that already, right?

Your cries for attention reveal a well-deserved self loathing.

By getalife

November 9, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

What is the deal with the neonuts rewarding failures?

If you fail at your job, you get fired.

Period.

W and Cheney are next.

By rushncap

November 9, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

Danish, you really REALLY should not be the one talking about “grace”. Neither you, nor anyone on your side (save for @@) have any grace whatsoever.

And, yes, we’re gloating. You got your as-ses kicked, big time. Sucks to be you.

By Goldie

November 9, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Woo-Hoo!! The Macaca-hater is finally facing reality today:

Sen. George Allen will concede the Virginia race to Democrat Jim Webb when he addresses supporters at 3 p.m. ET Thursday, a source within the Allen camp told the National Journal

A new day has dawned in America!

By Timmy

November 9, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

TIIIMMMMAAAAAHHH.

TIIIMMMMAAAAAHHH, TIIIMMMMAAAAAHHH, TIIIMMMMAAAAAHHH!!

TIIIMMMMAAAAAHHH.

By Randy

November 9, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

Luckovich, keeping up with your liberal agenda is tough.

Death is funny & useful when you can use it against Republicans.

Homelessness is funny & useful when you can use it against Republicans.

Are you going to ask me to change my way of thinking tomorrow? You libs scare me.

What’s here today may be gone tomorrow with people like you in charge.

By Lord Help Us

November 9, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

Anybody know when the ceremony will be for Bush to present Rumsfeld with the Presidential Medal of Freedom?

I’d say Rumsfeld was more incompetent than either Tenet OR Bremer. Shoudn’t he get one too?

{{BTW: Rw-(Coward), you are not supposed to be here anymore…Just goes to show, you can’t trust a Republican…}}

By Midori

November 9, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

Allen To Concede At 3:00 pm ET

By Diogenes

November 9, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

Two children shot in three days with “found” handguns. Georgia’s death toll is beginning to sound like Bush’s war. This needs to stop.

By Republican Grace

November 9, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

We conceded Allen at 7:00 a.m. the morning of the election.

You will damn sure not see us bawling like babies when the vote gets certified in Congress.

Like the liberals did in 04.

By Lord Help Us

November 9, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

Even Boortz gets it, why can’t you?

“The voters gave the Republicans a well-earned kick in the gut,” Atlanta radio host Neal Boortz wrote on his blog, adding that the GOP “bore little resemblance to the Republican majority that rode to power 12 years ago. In 1994 we were promised less government. Over the next 12 years the Republicans more than doubled the size of the government… . We were promised fiscal responsibility. We got a bridge to nowhere in Alaska.”

It’s The Competence, STUPID!!!

By Midori

November 9, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

Very say day: Ed Bradley has died

By Midori

November 9, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

Republican Grace: CNN just reported that Allen WILL NOT concede.

so much for your idiocy.

By Progressive Patriot

November 9, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

ATTN: Foolish Filibuster Fellow

Let’s see here:

Georgia Governor: Republican. Georgia Lieutenant Governor: Republican. Georgia Secretary of State: Republican. Georgia US Senators: Both Republican. Georgia US House Rep Majority: Republican. Georgia State Congressional: Republican Majority.

I want to thank the above folks for our beautiful State of Georgia being:

Tied with Alabama for #44 in infant mortality

Not represented in the Money magazines top 25 smartest cities.

We have 20 superfund clean up sites.

64% of power in the state is coal based

I love this state. So much that I am willing to admit that we have a long way to go before becoming the envy of the nation.

Let’s wake up and see ourselves as we really are and GROW.

By Proud Liberal Pinko

November 9, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

I wish I had a dime for every time a wingnut on this blog made the statement “Democrats can’t win elections”.

I’d buy every “pinko” on this blog dinner and a movie. And have enough left over for a nice house up north somwhere to get away from this god-forsaken backwards redneck state.

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

How would you recognize “grace” if you saw it? Between you, Huge, and N-GA its hard to decide which one of you is more lacking.

And no one has asked you to stop “gloating”. I for one like seeing your true colors displayed in the light of day. No point in hiding behind a cloak of “tolerance” where none exists.

By Jenn

November 9, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

Montana Republican will not concede either.

By Shawny

November 9, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Progressive Patriot….. If you “love” it so much, don’t let the (Delta) door hit you in the arse on your way out :)

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

Progressive Patriot,

It’s a bright and sunny day from where I sit. I hope you can manage to enjoy it with all the horrible things going on in Georgia.

This may be too difficult a question for you to answer but I’ll throw it out there anyway -

Since coal is not your method of choice, what practical alternatives would you like to see?

Windmills generated by the hot air of anger?

By Diogenes

November 9, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

To Progressive Patriot at 1226

Progressive, you forgot to mention where we rank on children killed with handguns they found in mom’s bedroom because we’re too benighted to require all handguns be locked up or that all handguns have child proof trigger locks.

By Proud Liberal Pinko

November 9, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

When Gore wanted to recount the Florida ballots the wingnuts said “Quit whining. You lost. Get over it”.

Why aren’t they saying that now that Burns and Allen (not the comedy team but still funny in a sad sort of way) refuse to concede when it is apparent that they lost?

By Jenn

November 9, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

Correction, Burns just conceded. In an article that I read about 1 hour ago, said that he wouldn’t concede.

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Sigh. First YOU say that Allen will concede at 3:00 pm ET today. Then YOU call someone an idiot for not knowing that, according to CNN, Allen will not concede.

Classic!

By Midori

November 9, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

AP: Conrad Burns concedes Senate race in Mont. to Democrat Jon Tester

By getalife

November 9, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

I will quote the great American Mr. Murtha:

“This election was a referendum on the President’s disastrous course in Iraq, and the American people clearly had ENOUGH.”

Get use to it.

By Midori

November 9, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

Danish,

I called the person an idiot because of his, er, editorializing about Allen “not bawling”, and conceding.

maybe if you minded your own effing business, you wouldn’t be make such a fool of yourself when you misinterpret posts not directed at you.

By Proud Liberal Pinko

November 9, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

I stand corrected. Kudos to Conrad burns for conceding and not being an embarrassment to Montana.

Now if only George Allen would grow up and admit that his goose is cooked.

By Lord Help Us

November 9, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

More conservatives appear to be thinking clearly today…(except those in here, or course):

Rumsfeld has blood on his hands - American and Iraqi blood. He also directly ordered and personally monitored the torture of military detainees. He secured legal impunity for his own war crimes, but that doesn’t mean the Congress shouldn’t investigate more fully what he authorized. He remains one of the most incompetent defense secretaries in history (McNamara looks good in comparison). But he is also a war criminal: a torturer who broke the laws of this country. The catastrophe in Iraq will stain him for ever. His record of torture has indelibly stained the United States.

Yup, Rummy is definitely Presidential Medal of Freedom material…When is that ceremony?

By bon scott

November 9, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

By Paul - November 9, 2006 11:51 AM - A one-star (brigadier) was heard to remark “I don’t know what answer he wants.” That was the environment Rumsfeld inherited.

Unfortunately, he perpetuated it.

The current stalemate in Iraq is a direct result of the Bush team ignoring advice from the Pentagon that it’s plans for the swift occupation of Iraq and its rapid transformation to Democracy were primed for failure.

“Swift occupation, followed by vibrant Democracy and a quick exit? Not gonna work, Mr. President. Especially on the cheap.”

That’s how Bush wanted to “take out” Saddam, though. And he systematically sought the “facts” to fit this policy. Rumsfeld may have once disdained officers who thought it was their job to discern the “right” answer the civilians wanted to hear, and give it to them. But when it came to Iraq, he became one of those butt-kissers.

Rummy did have his moments. His vision of transforming the military for the 21st century, if not brilliant, was still well beyond the Pentagon minds still stuck in the 20th. What a way to end a career.

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

LHU,

I just scanned the late posts from yesterday and you failed to link to any portion of the 9/11 Clinton Coverup Commission report saying that Bill Clinton was lying when he said Sudan offered us Bin Laden or that it was an impersonator that was taped.

Therefore you are the one that isn’t supposed to be here.

Your game, your rules, you lose, but since your nothing but a lying pos lib you’re still here.

It’s hard to believe you can’t back up a comment that you claim is in one of the most publicized government documents of our recent history. Freaking loser.

Midori,

It’s a shame about Ed Bradley. I didn’t like the slant of a lot of his stories, but he always made you think. I didn’t even know he had leukemia.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

As it may be of interest to several here, this is an Associated Press reconstruction of the last mission of Pat Tillman.

Link:http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/INQUESTFORAWARRIORRECONSTRUCT?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-11-09-00-23-36

By Political Deckhead

November 9, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

Rummy’s post retirement plans? That’s easy: to go back to college and finish his education.

Do you think Kerry called Rummy a Dummy? He should have.

Kerry should join an improve comedy troupe called the “Swiftquotes”.

Notice how Rush Limbaugh finally stfu? That blubber boy is a blithering nobody.

bwa

By Diogenes

November 9, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

To Lord help us,

Even you have to admit that all that ranting you quoted sounds a bit far fetched. Incompetent? Without the shadow of a doubt, but “personally monitored the torture of military detainees.” Nah. He lacked the stomach for it.

By Proud Liberal Pinko

November 9, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

Ding dong the witch is dead:

MSNBC is reporting that Allen is set to concede this afternoon at a press conference he has scheduled at 3:00pm. Jim Webb has also scheduled a press conference at 4:15 pm est.

By Midori

November 9, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

snicker

what would Chimpy do without Poppy?

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

Midori (blog mistress),

I have re-read what you wrote, and one would have to be a mind-reader to divine that conclusion.

Maybe if you communicated your “thoughts” better they would be understood by those of us too blessed with common sense to “get” your missing point.

By Dye Brainless

November 9, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

An anagram of RW is (o) and an anagram of @@ is c=3.

So if you put those two drips together you get this bit of scrambled porn, (to go with their scrambled brains):

(o)c=3 (o)=3 (o)3 (o)=3 (o)c=3

bwa

By Midori

November 9, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this

RW,

I didn’t know he was sick either; he was only 65.

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

For the grammarian gestapos that were here earlier today, go ahead and waste some bandwidth telling me there is a difference between “your” and “you’re” and that I clearly used the wrong one @ 1:07.

By Dye Brainless

November 9, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

Duh

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Lesley Stahl is on Fox right now and she says they knew that he had leukemia way back, but it was in remission and apparently just came back with a vengeance in the last couple of weeks.

My brother has leukemia that’s in remission, so I hope he’s not hearing much of this.

By Democritus

November 9, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

To RW,

Normally we’d never bother you about it, but since Sonny has started bragging about the educational attainments of the average Georgia student, it seemed necessary to set a good example.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

Amazing. An election, a change of power, and the “opposition” is still carrying on as if nothing had happened. Talk about stuck in the past -

By RJ

November 9, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this

To Buy Danish (10:07AM): What is a ‘moonbat’ and how do I put it on a resume? The only abomination I see are posts that are nothing more than personal attacks. Believe me, you don’t know me well enough to really insult me and if I cared about your opinion of me I might feel differently.

To RW-(the original): I do not think anyone has called me silly before. I should keep my opinions of other’s typing ability to myself, though. My apologies for posting to this site in the first place: I enjoyed the cartoon and should have left it at that. I feel that having personally deployed a few thousand troops to the Middle East; I have earned the right to comment on previous military leaders and their tactics. Have you? In addition, I am sorry if my original post was confusing to some readers. Next time, I will keep the words and sentences short and simple. By the way, you are welcome for the freedom to post in sites such as this. If you choose to use your freedom of speech to attack others, so be it. I believe this is the only method by which you are capable.

By Democritus

November 9, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

To Paul:

Obviously they’re still in shock. With luck, they’ll stay that way for the next two years.

By SarahConnah

November 9, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

Proof that republican’s were here first!

(http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/11/09/MNG1LM91CQ1.DTL)

Curtsie!

By Lord Help Us

November 9, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

RW-(the coward),

Please note on page 110 of the 9/11 Commission Report:

‘Sudan’s minister of defense, Fatih Erwas, has claimed that Sudan offered to hand Bin Laden over to the United States. The Commission has found no credible evidence that this was so.

Note: not being much of a computer nerd, I do not know if this linked to the right page or not. So, you may have to navigate the old-fashioned way to page 110.

Now, you sniveling little coward, read very carefully the sentence that contains the words, ‘The Commission has found NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE that this was so.’ I know the work ‘credible’ is foreign to you, but, please look it up if you are confused.

Go ahead and obfuscate again…wuss.

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

Rummy’s retirement plans? That’s easy: he’s going back to college and finish his education.

By bon scott

November 9, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

Paul - The election day corpses are still warm. The new Congress doesn’t convene for 2 months.

What’s the rush?

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

RJ,

I didn’t say YOU were silly I said YOUR ARGUMENT was silly, pretty big difference don’t you think? Someone that dogs out someone for leaving an “o” off of a word should surely be able to distinguish the difference.

LHU,

OH great obfuscator, nobody said to find where the 9/11 report said they couldn’t find any evidence of the Sudan’s offer. I gave you the tape of the horse’s a-ss himself saying that it happened, so you were supposed to show where they debunked that tape.

You were supposed to do that yesterday and you failed, you will continue to fail because it isn’t there.

If you had any decency you would honor the rules of your very own game and leave. I won’t hold my breath since none of you libs can ever be trusted with simple concepts like truth, decency, and honor.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

bon scott

Every so often a comment that makes sense comes shining through on this forum.

You too, Democritus. Opposite ends of the spectrum, but still funny!

There is hope-

By Midori

November 9, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

RW,

Sorry to hear about your brother.

My prayers go out to him.

By Lord Help Us

November 9, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

RW-(the liar),

I am beginning to understand why you are unemployed…sigh…

I am not sure how you can possibly fail to understand something as absolutely clear as ‘NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE,’ but, alas, you also think the shrub is a competent Commander in Chief.

Here’s a link just to show you I’m a nice guy and willing to try and help you move out of your mommy’s house…

Now, between today and the time you find a job I am willing to ALLOW you some time here on this site despite your commitment to leave. The unemployment rate is down to 4.4%, so I am hoping this won’t take too long…

By getalife

November 9, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

On Wednesday the former British ambassador to the U.N., Carne Ross, made to a Committee of Parliament some pretty stiff allegations against Tony Blair and George Bush regarding their plans to drag the U.K. and U.S. to war in Iraq. Ross resigned his position in protest over the Iraq war nearly two years ago.

Can I get some more accountability?

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

By RJ - November 9, 2006 08:26 AM

Having served—-> for this<—-country and been witness/subject to Mr. Rumsfeld’s policies blah blah blah

RJ,

“For this” is incorrect English. Contrast that error with “To” versus “Too” which are typos.

You “argument” is as absurd as your grammar is incorrect, but I’ll let R.W. take that one.

For someone who has “personally deployed a few thousand troops to the Middle East” you sure are a whiner. Maybe your mindset is representative of some Generals in that you are unable to take criticism after you dish it out in spades?

By getalife

November 9, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

OK, here’s the plan:

Impeach Cheney.

Delay confirmation of Bush’s appointment for replacement VP, while impeaching Bush. (err, there IS a confirmation required, right?)

Convict both of them, removing them from office on the same day.

The speaker of the house is next in line to become President.

President Pelosi.

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

This is a moderately interesting paragraph that the poster that was never supposed to be back here came up with.

If you go to his link you’ll have to scroll down to page 127 of the PDF file to get to page 110 of the report. Since we have the tape of Clinton saying the Sudan did want us to take Bin Laden, you can only conclude that a) Clinton lied, people died; b) The 9/11 commission knowingly covered it up, making them partisan hacks; or c) the commission was incompetent, in which case we better be damn careful letting Nancy Pelosi give in to their every whim.

What’s really interesting is that page 109 and 110 together, back up every bit of what Clinton said on tape, except the offer. Sure sounds like the choice is “a” but I think I’ll add an option d) all of the above, and go with that.

Another nice tidbit on 109 is that Clinton had always thought that Bin Laden was just the money man, but after they found out he was more involved operationally they scrapped a plan to go after his money.

The report doesn’t expand on that nugget at all. Would someone like to explain why that sounded like a good idea?

By Shawny

November 9, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

Someone tell Mikey that the election is over so he can take off that “Another Conservative Turns on W” dissertation.

…and I lurned dat big wurd frum my Georgia edjumacation.

By Republican Grace

November 9, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

By Midori November 9, 2006 01:01 PM | Danish, I called the person an idiot because of his, er, editorializing about Allen “not bawling”, and conceding.

It was Nancy Pelosi that bawled when the results of the election were certified, you idiot.

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

Thanks Midori

By Lord Help Us

November 9, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

RW-(the obfuscator),

‘NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE,’ means, no credible evidence. You demanded to see where the 9/11 commission shot down all the ‘evidence’ (newsmax propaganda, grainy audios, etc) you think you have about Sudan offering Bin Laden and I gave it to you.

‘NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE.’ Say it with me, ‘NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE.’ C’mon you can do it…

If you can admit this, I think it will help you grow as a person and possibly (I said possibly) acquire gainful employment.

I’m rootin’ for ya!

By Abe

November 9, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

We’re winning Bush’s famous war on terror. Rummy is the first positive step towards “victory.” Praise thee Lord.

By Cindy

November 9, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

Better still, does Hallmark make a “Good Riddance” card.

By getalife

November 9, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

Here is some info on Rumsfeld’s replacement

Iran contra, a bank fraud in Atlanta and created the OBL monster.

W sure can pick em.

By Bill

November 9, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

Little RW, like the other neocons here, is nothing more than a crazed canary - in search of a cage. Pitiful Just pitiful.

By Democritus

November 9, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

To Shawny,

Thank Sonny for your Georgia education. We’ve moved up 3 slots in the ranking the past 45 years. Sonny did it.

By Can You Say Veto?

November 9, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

By getalife November 9, 2006 02:10 PM OK, here’s the plan: Impeach Cheney. Delay confirmation of Bush’s appointment for replacement VP, while impeaching Bush. (err, there IS a confirmation required, right?) Convict both of them, removing them from office on the same day. The speaker of the house is next in line to become President. President Pelosi.](R)

Remember the Justice Department?

They don’t have to hold hearings, they just indict your a-ss.

And they work directly for Bush.

I believe Harry Reid is eligible for some shady land deals and accepting bribe money from several casinos.

Nancy Pelosi has some shady land deals herself.

I pretty sure the easiest conviction would be Filthy Mouth Murtha, he’s a grab bag of defense contractor payoffs and Arab Sheik bribe money.

But the big dog would be Hillary and Schumer both accepting graft from campaign contributions.

So yes, let’s start looking up Bush’s a-ss, we’ll have lots of fun.

I’m working from my 3.2 GHZ IBM Thinkpad, so try to cut me some slack on the typing errors, you little panty waist school teachers.

By Trust No One!

November 9, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

Rumsfeld replaced by CIA Guru Gates. Now we face a worse problem in our government.

(below is a copy of a post from another blog)

“The Iraq Study Group is led by co-chairs James A. Baker, III, a former Secretary of State, and Lee H. Hamilton, former Congressman. Other members of the study group include: [Robert M. Gates], Vernon E. Jordan, Jr., Edwin Meese III , Sandra Day O’Connor, Leon E. Panetta, William J. Perry, Charles S. Robb, and Alan K. Simpson.

Gates’ appointment proves what I asserted as soon as I read the Iraq Study Group report - that they know Iraq is lost and they are planning to break her up.

I posted on here that they should get the helicopters ready to evacuate the Baghdad embassy as soon as the roport was released. No wonder Israel is putting out feelers to get Russia to be her new ally and thinking of dumping Uncle Sam.

Paraphrasing - Bush just announced in his press conference that the Democrats need to work with the Baker-Hamilton group on Iraq. ”

By Can You Say Veto?

November 9, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

My favorite words from the Clinton Justice Department “investigating” the Clinton Adminstration misdeeds, a freaking full time job that was, were “we’ve found no wrongdoing.”

That set the stage for any future Justice Department to be a lapdog for the Executive.

So let’s start a law and order scrum, we can burn some as-s up too, believe me.

By getalife

November 9, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

So yes, let’s start looking up Bush’s a-ss, we’ll have lots of fun.

Sicko.

I heard Mr. Murtha tell Chris Mathews that the White House would be held accountable for everything they have done during these six long years of evil darkness.

By Can You Say Veto?

November 9, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Much as I can’t stand See BS, this is a sad deal:

60 Minutes’ Ed Bradley Dead At 65

May God rest his soul.

By Lord Help Us

November 9, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

Isn’t it interesting that on the eve of Daniel Ortega’s return to lead the gov’t of Nicaragua (remember the Sandinistas?) the Shrub is returning one of the enablers of the Iran-Contra scandal to power?

Great idea! Finance an illegal war in Central America AND sell high-tech weaponry to Iran. Pure Genius!!

Unfortunately, there is lots of CREDIBLE EVIDENCE on this scandal…

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

Cartoon idea: Show the GOP elephant as monty python’s Black Knight, his limbs all severed, looking at his nemesis the donkey, who holds a sword, and elephant says, “We’ll call it a draw”. (like monty python)

background: The GOP’s Black Knight Elephant guards the congress and says, “No legislation shall pass”.

By Midori

November 9, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

From one idiot to another,

why would Nancy Pelosi “bawl” about the election results being certified — especially when the results favor the Dems?

By Proud Liberal Pinko

November 9, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

Thank You America!

America is finally being seen around the world as having regained it’s sanity. Sure is a nice feeling.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

getalife 2:29

OMG!!! I read the link! Wow!! It was PRESIDENT CARTER who MADE the Soviets invade Afghanistan!! TEN YEARS of murder, rape, pillaging for the poor people of Afghanistan!!! GATES worked for CARTER!! HE was the one who created bin Laden! It was CARTER!

Oh, wait. President Carter is a Democrat. Never mind.

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

Why dont we go after the missing US soldier that the Shia kidnapped? Oh yeah, cheney’s dealing with “the people we need to deal with” to get him back.

nobody’s in charge over there, folks. We dont even know who the enemy is. Whoever the enemy is, he apparently can call time out, or insist on Bush saying, “Mullah May I” or “Ali Ali income free”.

There’s never been a more poorly run war than this I guarantee it. Somebody fire that idiot rumsfeld…………d’oh!

By Political Foreskin

November 9, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

Rummy’s retirement plans? that’s easy: he’s going back to college and finish his education.

Kerry plans to join an improve comedy troups called the “Swiftquotes”.

Cheney’s going hunting again for the first time since he earned his sharpshooter medal at the special olympics drink and hunt triathalon.

By rushncap

November 9, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

And it’s official: BOTH houses are no longer Republican. For once Republican incompetence caught up to them. The question is: can they clean up the mess now?

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

RW,

Wow. Bill Clinton saying something happened is NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE (sorry to shout) to LHU. Does that make Bill a…hang on now…liar?

The answer is: “(D) all of the above” to your earlier quiz.

I’ll let the parrots figure out why it was a good idea to stop going after Bin Laden’s money.

My theory? There were no kickbacks in it for the Clinton Library.

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Why are you and Kos dogging on Jimmah today? The poor guy didn’t know any better and Reagan cleaned up after him in no time.

The ones you ought to be dogging out are the Democrats that just got elected by threatening the oil companies. Gas is up $.15 a gallon since Tuesday.

By regulator

November 9, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this

Gracious,still blaming Carter and Clinton, repugs, one’s been gone twenty-five years the other six,Newt blasted Bush today, the snakes have started devouring each other.

By Lord Help Us

November 9, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

Even scarier than not tracking Bin Laden’s MONEY 5 years BEFORE 9/11 is shutting down the unit dedicated to hunting down BIN LADEN 5 years AFTER 9/11!!!!

The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday. The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned within the C.I.A. Counterterrorist Center, the officials said. The decision is a milestone for the agency, which formed the unit before Osama bin Laden became a household name and bolstered its ranks after the Sept. 11 attacks, when President Bush pledged to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice “dead or alive.”

Ooops!

By RJ

November 9, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

For Buy Danish: I can take constructive criticism just fine. My response to you and RW was simply a response in kind to your posts. I should have taken the high road and simply ignored your comments. I have thick skin, as do most other service members. PS: I still don’t know what a “moonbat” is, JAFO.

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

Huge Blowhard,

Warning!

Do not, I repeat Do Not shop at WalMart this Christmas shopping season.

We wouldn’t want you to be offended by the religious zealots who greet you there and shove their “deities” down your tolerant throat.(http://www.ajc.com/holiday/content/holidayguide/shopping/stories/2006/11/09/1109bizwalmart.html)

I know you’re going to tell me that you never shop there anyway with those horrible NASCAR shoppers, but in the spirit of bi-partisanship I wanted to warn you just in case.

By Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century

November 9, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

(LOL)

It is so good to see Rummy “Cut and Run”

Awww!

War not going as you planned?

The good people of the USA not bowing down to the PNAC’s puppet regime anymore?

No flowers at the feet of the troops?

Yeah! You better take your retirement and Government benefits and run like the ChickenHawk you are!

Bye Rummy! Run Run Run Run Away!

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Reid, Durbin, & Schumer are speaking to wild cheers and then Reid just said it’s time for bipartisanship and you can hear a pin drop.

I have no idea why I’m telling you that. Maybe they were getting kickbacks for the “library fund” and knew that it would end if they cracked down.

By getalife

November 9, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

Turn on CNN and chant with me:

Harry!

Harry!

Harry!

Way to go home boy!

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

LHU,

You ought to ban yourself for rehashing old stories that we’ve already kicked your butt on. That group that couldn’t find Bin Laden for ten years, when several times we had him on camera, wasn’t exactly effective, now was it?

In the real world you get rid of non-producing entities and do something different. Isn’t that what you think the election was about? If we follow your logic we should keep a Republican Congress just because they hadn’t accomplished the things they claimed they were going to.

By getalife

November 9, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

RW,

Big oil is on the Dem agenda.

Need to recover some of those billions they stole.

It will help the deficit.

OMG. The Dems are talking about helping the middle class.

Have not heard that in a long time.

By Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century

November 9, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

Sweeeeet!

RW now thinks that electing the Democrats has caused gas to go up.

Of course, now he ignores facts.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8L3R15O0.htm

RW should certainly know that Bush manipulated the fuel prices for political gain in the election.

(lol) Silly Boy.

Of course since the GOP didn’t win and?

Maybe there is something to that after all!

-

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

Woops, here’s that warning link for Huge Blowhard that I screwed up.

Click here

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

Here’s a reprint of my post to RJ:

By RW-(the original) November 9, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this RJ @ 8:26 & Sharon FJ @ 8:34, Since you two frustrated English teachers are jumping all over someone for leaving an “o” off of too and chastising them because to has a different meaning, shouldn’t you be jumping on Peter @ 8:49 for adding an “o” to lose? Last time I checked lose and loose had two pretty different meanings as well.

I don’t know how someone thin skinned enough to take that as a vicious assault can call them self thick skinned. Jeez, I didn’t even mention what a huge freaking hypocrite you are for your selective tutoring. SMMA

Out for now!

By Lord Help Us

November 9, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

RW-(the coward),

By your standard, Bush should fire himself…BWAHAHAHAHA!

However, since you have ‘already kicked your butt on’ this ‘old story,’ why don’t you back that up with CREDIBLE EVIDENCE.

Seems the former head of this unit disagrees with you:

Michael Scheuer, a former senior C.I.A. official who was the first head of the unit, said the move reflected a view within the agency that Mr. bin Laden was no longer the threat he once was.

Mr. Scheuer said that view was mistaken.

“This will clearly denigrate our operations against Al Qaeda,” he said. “These days at the agency, bin Laden and Al Qaeda appear to be treated merely as first among equals.”

You love getting your butt kicked, don’t you?

By B.Moore

November 9, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

The Democratic takeover of both houses on Tuesday was a mediocre success. No resounding triumphant noise. Just a dull thud coming from no direction.

The true death of a nation brought on by a decline in business. A decline in the economy. A decline in jobs. A decline in defense spending. Most importantly, a decline in this nation’s security.

The Democrats screamed for justice and justice is forthcoming but it won’t be the kind of justice they were looking for.

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

RJ,

For a “thick skinned” military man you certainly get wounded feelings very easily. If you recall, YOU started it by pointing out someone else’s spelling errors, and were crushed that we noticed, and found flaws in your grammar and logic.

Here’s what William Safire has to say about the definiton of Moonbat -

..the overwhelming use of moonbat is in derogation of what used to be called “the loony left.”

If that definition isn’t clear enough, try www.google.com. Search: Moonbat+Definiton.

P.S. I thank you for your service - seriously.

By CBJones

November 9, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

To the American people, we are not leftist or right-wingers, we are all Americans and should work together to live here is American in peace. If we want to show the world how it’s done, screaming about the different parties is not the way, the elections are over, we want out family memebers home, there will always be war but it is not the American people job to control world peace, defending our country is one thing but conquering a country for their oil is just wrong. We created more enemies by removing Sadam, the U.N. informed the world that there were no weapons of mass destruction, due to the greed of our President and Vice President who was determined to get the oil from this country, they created this war that opened up the borders for the terrorist to have a place to now gather and operate from. The U.S. need to talk with other leaders of the world and come up with a way to leave this country while allowing them to defend and build with the world’s help, we made a mistake by starting this war, it’s time to find a peaceful way out. If you can’t talk with your enemy, how can you end conflict, this is not time to be a bully, it is now time to call for peace, by bring everyone to the table. If we want America to be great, we should first start at home and work with all parties is getting together on one track, and working out problems here is America, as well as Iraq.

By Republican Grace

November 9, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

By Midori November 9, 2006 02:54 PM From one idiot to another, why would Nancy Pelosi “bawl” about the election results being certified — especially when the results favor the Dems?

Way back when this all started out, I said that the Republicans have conceded the Senate and did it without a great big a-ss crying jag.

Like Pelosi did in {{{{{2004.}}}}} Look it up.

By getalife

November 9, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this

RJ,

The “neonuts” here are sore losers.

They have been wrong about everything but can’t admit it.

Intellectual cowards, if you will.

They are the “angry right” and the silent minority.

By rushncap

November 9, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

Moore, sweeping House, Senate and governorships away from Repubs was not a triumphant enough noise for you? Maybe you’re holding out for Bush’s impeachment? Will that be a great enough success?

By nuff-said

November 9, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

Now, now, play nice. Tsk, tsk. Showing we’re sore losers, are we?

By Ditzty Malloy

November 9, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

Huge victory for Religious Right today! Thats right, you thought us God loving Americans were finished! Ha!

Wal-Mart will now be wishing you a Merry Christmas!!

There was nothing worse than last year. One of the greeters, my worse nightmare, an illegal alien looking freak said “Happy Holidays” to me with a Mexican accent almost sounded Mexican. On top of that he also had one of them gay accents. I’m suprised he did’t have a “Viva La Raza” bumper sticker on his wheel chair.

“Merry Christmas everyone.” Can’t wait, any day now O’Reilly starts his X-mas battle, red meat for Us this year.

By Cal

November 9, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

Way to go you demosmacks.

U.S. vote embarrasses allies

Many analysts believe that Rumsfeld’s departure clears the way for a phased withdrawal of troops from Iraq. But ministers and world leaders have warned in recent days about the long-term result of abandoning the country.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

getalife-

Glad to see you took my prior post in a not too serious way. I’m sure you do realize, though, that the already ginning up attack sites are going to have a bit of a problem, as they’ve already cried loud and long that not just Secretary Rumsfeld, but also President Bush, are responsible for problems that occur on their watch. I can imagine nothing more repelling to the Democratic Party as applying that standard to President Carter, now elder statesman, traveler for peace and President Bush critic.

I’m still trying to figure out Senator Reid. He’s a Mormon, how devout I don’t know. His past stands are pretty much what I’d expect

Link:http://usliberals.about.com/od/liberalpersonalprofiles/p/SenHReid.htm

but what puzzles me is his - decorum. Most Mormons I know are pretty low-key. Their meetings remind me of a board meeting - no hoopla. I suppose it’s what I see as a strident tone. The link shows an interesting view of embryonic stem cell research. Possibly he truly dislikes President Bush’s policies, possibly the person himself. Still a bit jolting for a man of his background.

So much for stereotypes.

By Goldie

November 9, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

OK— All bets are on! How soon will Newt announce that he’s running for Prez in ‘08?

Gingrich says Bush, GOP to blame for defeat

By Can You Say Lieberman Switch?

November 9, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

Huh, look at the stock market tank.

Investors must be selling off, businesses are laying people off in preparation for their increased tax burdens and the economy is in a tailspin.

All on the news of the democrat capture of the Senate.

Not good.

Maybe Mexico will harbor our businesses until 08 when Gingrich gets elected.

By the way, Bush likes amnesty and pelosi likes amnesty. Bush like minimum wage hikes, pelosi likes minimum wage hikes.

Who’d have ever thought she was a Bushbot?

Go figure.

By Democritus

November 9, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

Sonny Did It

Georgia and Georgia Tech ranked last in their conferences in graduating athletes who entered as freshmen in 1999, according to figures released Thursday by the NCAA. Georgia’s graduation rate for scholarship athletes was 50 percent, compared with a 73 percent rate for all students at the school. Georgia Tech’s athlete graduation rate was 54 percent, compared with a 76 percent rate for all students at the school.

Knobler, AJC website

If you can’t read the paragraph above, thank Sonny

By Goldie

November 9, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

I’m still upset that Wal-mart neglected to wish me a Happy Arbor Day a few months back — not gonna spend my money there no mo’!

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

November 9, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

Ditzy,

I’m glad you can find solace in something, even if it’s just that WalMart is playing Christmas music this year. You Repugs have so little to cheer about right now. I found it amusing how many conservatives were on the air gloating how Lieberman won his seat back. You know it’s pretty bad when Repugs are cheering that a Democrat, who caucuses with the Democrats and therefore will help them maintain a majority in the Senate, wins. I’m okay with that.

As far as Christmas, I’m fine with that, too. By mega-stores advertising it, it just continues to help Christmas morph into the generic, commercial holiday that it already was. I’m an agnostic and I say “Merry Christmas” because it’s about the time of year, not religion. Deep down inside we all know the silly premise behind it is false, so Merry Christmas everyone!

By Goldie

November 9, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

“The true death of a nation brought on by a decline in business. A decline in the economy. A decline in jobs. A decline in defense spending. Most importantly, a decline in this nation’s security.”

WAA, WAA, WAA — take your whiny @ss to Tokyo or something!

By Democritus

November 9, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

Walmart

Is that where Tech and UG athletes go for jobs when their eligibility is up? Nah. They probably require their employees be literate.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this

OoMVoD

Regarding Lieberman, another view is that he represents Democrats who are willing to work with the Administration to find common ground and move legislation forward. I heard much anger expressed on another site by Connecticut Democrats towards him, but that was right after the primary. Not much comment now. Even heard a quote from Sean Hannity “I disagree with you 90% of the time, but you’re an honest man of principles - I’d vote for you.” Yeah - I had the same response.

Frankly, I think Lieberman represents a politician a lot of Americans would like - a person of principle, moderate views, who stands by his convictions.

If the Democrats take the White House in two years I trust these same conservatives (in today’s climate I imagine you mean “Republicans” not Zell Miller Democrats) will remember his example.

I don’t have much problem with Christmas and merchandising - been going on a long time. What drives me nuts are all the holidays Hallmark keeps inventing (card for Grandparents Day, Secretary Day, Neighbors Day, People in Green Coats Day). Now there’s a good example of commercial marketing at its finest.

By Diogenes

November 9, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

If I recall correctly from my catechisms as a wee tyke, Christmas is about peace and goodwill to all men. Not a bad concept on a day in which we talk about changes in strategy in Iraq.

By Can You Say Lieberman Switch?

November 9, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

By Goldie November 9, 2006 04:57 PM “The true death of a nation brought on by a decline in business. WAA, WAA, WAA — take your whiny @ss to Tokyo or something!

Goldilocks: Are you a homeless person typing in your comments at the public library?

Is the concept of more money made, more taxes paid too much for you to sort out?

Maybe if we speak your langauge; if businesses fail they can’t pay taxes so there won’t be any new bridges for you to sleep under.

This is so Jimmy Carter.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

November 9, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

Paul,

The other night you found it inconceivable that I would say there was no difference between Christianity and Islam. I know metaphors are probably over your head, but let’s try one anyway:

You would probably say there was quite a bit of difference between the cartoons “Woody Woodpecker” and “Tom and Jerry.” They have different characters of different colors; there is a different premise behind them, etc. I, on the other hand, would say they are both silly fictitious cartoons and that civilization has better things to think about than children’s entertainment full of violence.

Okay, now replace the words “Woody Woodpecker” and “Tom and Jerry” with the words “Christianity” and “Islam.”

Get it now?

By Ditzty Malloy

November 9, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

Can You Say Lieberman Switch?, are you some sort of moron? We are fighting to keep Mexico in Mexico. Now you want to use Mexican harbors. Thats nuts.

I will Never run away from my America, if you choose-to-leave-it-so-be-it.

I say this with just a little bit of shame for my fellow Americans right now….GOD BLESS AMERICA. (and heal the homosexuals)

By Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century

November 9, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

^-^

Walmart

Supporting Christ?

I think they are more [USING] Christ to make more prophets - uhhm - Profits!

But then again, the Sheep are gullible. They will of course BUY into this latest sales pitch.

As P.T. Barnum said - “every minute”

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By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

November 9, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Any Democrat is all right with me, even conservative ones like Lieberman. Zell, however, is not a Democrat and hasn’t been one for a long time. Any politician who gives the keynote address in support of the other party’s candidate for the highest office is a traitor to those in his party, his constituents, and his own beliefs. He is the modern day Benedict Arnold (sorry, Buy Granny, I know you wish you could have that title, but you have to accomplish something first).

By Ditzty Malloy

November 9, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this

Anyone ever notice how illegal aliens say “thank you”? It sounds like they’re sayin “dee-nock-ee-oh” Arizona just passed a law that is against that. I’m not sure if they can still say gracias.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this

OoMVD at 5:11

If I understand you correctly, you are saying you view both Christianity and Islam as the same/not different, not on a theological or doctrinal basis, but because you view both as essentially meaningless fiction.

I take the position, regarding Islamic jihadists, that it is good to know your enemy, understand him, his motivations and purpose, his intentions, the better to defeat him before he defeats you.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

Can You Say Lieberman Switch at 5:10

Regarding businesses making money, paying more taxes, businesses failing, no taxes, this is so Jimmy Carter:

He’s a peanut farmer. Or broker. We have to pay taxes to he can get his subsidy. Crop assistance. Price support. Peanut allotment. Whatever.

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Why would the Democrats even run a candidate for President in 2008?

After they’ve told us countless times that government works better when the branches are controlled by different parties and they now control Congress, it would be easier if they sat out the Presidential election than to make all those Democrats give their seats to Republicans if they happened to win the White House.

Note to “People that are too dumb to blog more than two times in public” @ 3:46: Most of that was sarcastic, as was the gas price comment to getalife. You guys could learn something from getalife by the way, he at least has a sense of humor most of the time and always recognizes sarcasm.

And for our latest ” grammarian service member hero” please let me know if I got all the variations of the word that sounds like “tew” right.

By Can You Say Lieberman Switch?

November 9, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this

By One of the Majority’s Wanker’s November 9, 2006 05:11 PM I would say there was no difference between Christianity and Islam. You would probably say there was quite a bit of difference between the cartoons “Woody Woodpecker” and “Tom and Jerry.”

If anyone can’t understand what a simpleton you make of yourself by putting forth a premise such as this^^, let me know, I’ll explain it for you, if it’s possible.

By Ditzty Malloy

November 9, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this

My friends up in the mountains tell me Zell woke up thinking he was back to being a Democrat again.

I guess with Foley, Rev Haggard and the Republicans losing he is very, very confused right now. One minute he thinks he’s Republican, then its back to being a Democrat.

By Rich

November 9, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this

Mike-I’ve been following your cartoons for awhile. You’ve used our military and people who have served as a topic for your satire. I have to say I’ve never found it tasteful and I find this one of Rumsfeld equally distasteful.

You’ve won your victory and yet you continue to berate those who have served.

Your contribution has been what? A daily funny. Nothing like kicking them when they’re down for a good laugh. I guess it’s your way of saying thanks.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

OoMVoD 5:19

A view not shared, I believe, by many of the leaders/power brokers in the Democratic Party. The Republican Party has nearly the same problem at the other end of the spectrum - although I think a Guiliani or McCain could get nominated before a Democrat who wasn’t in complete agreement with the Party’s positions.

That, I think, is why the Republican Party attracted the conservative/fundamentalist Christians (don’t take offense, readers, if you don’t care for that term. Just substitute a phrase you’re happy with). They felt outright hostility by the Democratic leadership. Sure they got used by Rove and company. Welcome to politics. But their vote assurred victory in many elections. If the Republican Party gets its act together on spending, border security, etc. they could come “home,” vote and then it could be just the few thousand extra votes that could decide some races.

By Honu

November 9, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

Good evening, OOT – hope you had a nice day.

A bimbo? Sure, you qualified it with lovable – but still, a bimbo?

On Tuesday, I voted for Lieberman and Jodi Rell – what does that do to my bimbo status?

Yours in Christ,

Honu

By Diogenes

November 9, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

To Paul:

You’re hung up on the Jihadists, which do not represent all of Islam, just as the serpent handlers in certain Protestant sects do not represent all of Christianity. The Jihadists are a splinder sect — dangerous, very dangerous, but a small sect. The most obvious analogy are the Jesuits, “The Soldiers of God,” who came to the New World to proselytize among the heathen. Don’t forget that the Jesuits ran the Inquisition.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original) at 5:33

You really expect them to remember what they said? And stand by it? Compromise is in the air. They can take the White House. Republicans get Congress. There will be balance in the universe.

But since you brought it up: can anybody (italics, boldface, big font) tell me Hillary’s specific (italics, boldface, big font) position on any issue (italics, boldface, big font)?

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

Paul,

If you’ve ever seen the film version of “Best Little Whorehouse in Texas” just think of Charles Durling’s character as the Governor when he starts singing about his policy positions and you’ve got Hillary.

By Diogenes

November 9, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this

To Paul (1740)

The Republican Party saw a homogeneous voting group and made a deliberate effort to recruit them, even changed some of the party’s attitudes to appeal to them It was marketing, nothing more. Who better represents that fringe group than a cowboy from Texas who rejects science (or at least does so publicly)? The Democrats in their disorder of trying to find what they stood for totally overlooked this group. It’s good marketing, my friend.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

Diogenes

No more hung up than Churchill in 1935 (no, I don’t fancy myself a Churchill - but I’m sure you get the drift).

Regardless of their “size” - they are ideologically motivated, embrace violence, torture and kill civilians, have demonstrated capability and, given support of governments with WMDs (fast forward a few years, take your pick - Iran, N. Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia) - the threat level is exponential. Or, if they follow their literature and overthrow a “corrupt” Middle East government and establish their own state - well, there are serious implications.

One may not care for repression, torture and fear, but that’s what Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and others have used for years to limit them - they take the threat quite seriously. I don’t think they’re overreacting.

Their ideology does not have a concept of defeat - only victory - and that includes bringing all to dar el Islam from dar el harb (to Islam from the place of war).

I used to take the Stalinist view of the Pope - how many divisions does the Pope command? - when it came to jihadists. But then realized the greater danger is not recognizing ideological shifts and still looking at the worlds through the lens of elected governments, dictatorships, military alliances, etc.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original) at 5:56

Got it. Thanks for not telling me “think of Dolly Parton and you’ve got Hillary!”

By Diogenes

November 9, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this

To Paul (1759),

I don’t deny the threat or the danger, but they do not represent all of Islam, as you seem to imply. At its core, Islam is about peace and goodwill to all men, just as Christianity is. The moderate Muslim fears the Jihadist as much as we might fear a militant sect of fundamentalist Christianity or if the Jesuits were to reinstitute the Inquisition. Fear them; crush them under your heel, but don’t confuse them with Islam. The nations you listed who use harsh measlures against them are all Muslim. The peacemaker always fears the zealot, no matter the religion or politics.

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

Diogenes,

Islam, which has never been the most “enlightened” religion, has been hijacked by extremists who, while they may not technically be the majority, might as well be. And it didn’t take too many of them to put 9/11 together, did it?

If you can find any Protestant “serpent handlers”, or any Christians of any stripe who are routinely killing innocents in the name of God around the world, please let me know.

If you can’t tell the difference between a few kooks and a worldwide political movement then I suggest you do a little research before you make any further comments on a political blog where a minimum knowledge of current events is essential - unless you want to sound like a blooming idiot.

By Paul

November 9, 2006 06:25 PM | Link to this

Diogenes at 6:08

Let me clear up the misimpression.

I do not believe jihadists represent all of Islam. Their numbers are small (taken as a worldwide percentage, higher among Middle East countries) but - their potential to wreak havoc is all out of proportion to their size.

There is a part (no size specified) of Islam that, I think, would like to operate peacefully in the world. However, there is a part of Islam that takes an activist, militaristic view of reestablishing the caliphate.

If I may quote Krauthammer: H”owever, the inconvenient truth is that after centuries of religious wars, Christendom long ago gave it up. It is a simple and undeniable fact that the violent purveyors of monotheistic religion today are self-proclaimed warriors for Islam who shout “God is great” as they slit the throats of infidels — such as those of the flight crews on Sept. 11, 2001 — and are then celebrated as heroes and martyrs.”

Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/21/AR2006092101513.html

And that, I think, is a critical difference.

Gotta run - thanks - perhaps we’ll talk tomorrow.

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 06:25 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Hillary looks more like Charles Durling. One of the best lines in that movie is topical to the discussion you’re trying to have with Diogenes and the cartoon reviewer:

Female Reporter: Governor, what do you think of the, the crisis in the Middle East?

The Governor: I was sayin’ just this morning at the weekly prayer breakfast, in this historic capital, that it behooves both the Jews and the Arabs to settle their differences in a Christian manner!

By Democritus

November 9, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

TO Paul,

One of the most painful ironies of history, of course, is that as soon as the war was over, Churchill was voted out of office. Yes, Churchill recognized the threat which Stalin represented to the Western world, and the world would be much different place politically had Roosevelt heeded him. Your fear of the Jihadist is not misguided, but like Churchill in 1935 and after the war, you may be a voice crying in the proverbial wilderness. The American people cannot grasp an ideological war any more than the British could.

By RE

November 9, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this

What would be the difference in an idiot and a blooming idiot?

I never understood that, are you from England or something?

By getalife

November 9, 2006 06:32 PM | Link to this

BD,

You just described the neonuts.

Blooming idiot loser.

By Diogenes

November 9, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this

To RW (1825)

Ain’t it the truth?

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

November 9, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Buy Granny,

How about this for a few kooks and a worldwide political movement: A few kooks- RW, Buy Granny, Andy, Honu, Dusty, @@. A worldwide political movement- progressive liberalism. How does it feel to now KNOW that America has rejected your ideology? Are you okay with my name now? One of the MAJORITY’S Voices of Dissent.

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

There are some wild and crazy disconnects in a post from someone calling them self “Diogenes,” converting the time stamps to 24 hour time, and saying “Ain’t it…”

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

Diogenes (and Getalife),

Islam is a State Religion in many countries and is inseparable from the politics of those countries. Many of those countries observe Sharia Law.

Where are these “militant sects of Christianity?

Where is Christian equivalent of Sharia Law?

Where is the mass murder, the Beslans, the rioting over nothing, the anarchy and thuggery in the banlieues of Paris, the teeming hordes of raging savages, in Christianity today?

A few isolated nuts do not a movement make. IslamoFascism is a worldwide movement - ignore it at our peril.

If you’re really interested in the truth and not just a cheap and bogus opportunity to paint Republicans as terrorists, go here

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

November 9, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

Granny,

By the way, have you done your homework? (Reading K.A. Porter’s “The Jilting of Granny Weatherall” to look for yourself?)

Honu,

I’ve got some homework for you, too- Sam Harris’ “Letter to a Christian Nation.” There is one thing that we do agree upon: That either the Bible is the infallible, divine word of God, or it is not. Either you are right and I’m wrong, or I am right and you’re wrong. Unfortunately for you, it is not, and I am the one who is right.

By Can You Say Lieberman Switch?

November 9, 2006 06:51 PM | Link to this

By One of the Majority’s Wanker’s November 9, 2006 06:39 PM How does it feel to now KNOW that America has rejected your ideology?

The voter’s rejected a homosexual congressman and Bush’s tip toeing around the war on Islamic Fascism.

To “reject” Conservatism would mean becoming a gay sexual pervert, a baby killer, a unemployed tax money collecting slacker and an America hater.

How many of you voters would like to own up to these things? Let’s see a show of hands.

Not you M Wanker, I know you’re cool with it.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

November 9, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

Buy Granny,

I have another homework assignment for you: “Amazing Grace, The Lives of Children and the Conscience of a Nation” by Jonathan Kozol. It’s about the residents of Mott Haven, in the South Bronx. I don’t remember a place like that from my time in New York, and you being from the Upper East Side, probably didn’t know those third world conditions were just five miles away from you and your caviar. Read the book, tell me your ideology is correct, and then remind me where God is.

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

Democritus,

“Diogenes” has not learned the lessons of history, but you have.

The link between the Nazis (the real ones, not the hobgoblins that the Left think Republicans are) and countries like Afghanistan is there too.

Odious Stalker Boy,

You are not an agnostic. Nothing would convince you that there is a higher power besides Punk OOTMVOD - indeed, I doubt that even Christ himself could perform that miracle.

By Buy Danish

November 9, 2006 07:02 PM | Link to this

Punk Stalker Boy,

Try reading another story.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

November 9, 2006 07:02 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I love it when you begin to lose your sh!t. Face it, your religion is false (we all know it and so do you deep down inside), and Americans saw your political ideology in action for nearly six years and have rejected it wholeheartedly. For the rest of your life your political perspective will never again hold the amount of influence it just lost. It will only decrease from here and you will get angrier and angrier. Have you noticed I’m not nearly as angry as I had been before two days ago? It feels really good.

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 07:06 PM | Link to this

OotMVoD,

Your name doesn’t make any more sense with Democrats holding a Congressional majority than it did when they didn’t.

From a perspective of Democrats vs. Republicans you are now in the majority, but there is not a majority of people with your ideology. There are very few in fact. If there were why would you be dissenting from them?

With all the pro-gun, pro-life, fiscally conservative Democrats you elected this time, you’ll probably hate the Democrats worse than you hate us soon.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

November 9, 2006 07:10 PM | Link to this

No Andy, to be a REAL conservative would mean becoming a gay sexual pervert; haven’t you read the papers lately about your spiritual sheppard Ted Haggard and your political idol Mark Foley? And I don’t think you need to be saying anything about the unemployed with your status and BD’s status as stay-at-home-blog-all-day losers. And I love America; I work every day to make it better. I just love it more since Tuesday.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

November 9, 2006 07:13 PM | Link to this

Granny,

I am an agnostic and since it’s after seven, I don’t have time to explain it to you. I’ll spell it out for you in the coming days. I know the idea is beyond your comprehension.

By Can You Say Lieberman Switch?

November 9, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

Majority’s Wanker: You sound like the one who’s uncomfortable with your beliefs.

Trust me, you have every reason to question your choice of being a degenerate, may you get your answer before it’s too late.

I know that a stupid election loss, typical of every president’s sixth year in office, is not a rejection of my traditions, tenets or morality, nor do I need affirmation of my life’s choices from some pervert like you.

I’ve got Jesus Christ and you’ve got your silly sexual perversions.

There’s not even any question.

By RW-(the original)

November 9, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

Show of hands please, does OotMVoD sound any different now than before two days ago. I never thought he sounded angry, just close minded and ignorant and that certainly hasn’t changed.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

November 9, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

RW,

We all have different shades of ideology; I just happen to be farther to the left than most. The point is that the whole COUNTRY is much farther to the left than you loons. Good night.

By Can You Say Lieberman Switch?

November 10, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

Majority Wanker: There are roughly 160,000,000 Conservatives in the United States, give or take a few thou, you’re telling me that the direction of this movement hinges on the human failings of two individuals?

By One of the Majority’s Wankers November 9, 2006 07:10 PM No Andy, to be a REAL conservative would mean becoming a gay sexual pervert; haven’t you read the papers lately about your spiritual sheppard Ted Haggard and your political idol Mark Foley?

Failings that your political party actively PROMOTES?

You’re even more of a simpleton then I thought you were.

Besides which, the two cases you are so convinced will bring down Conservatism are more an example of those two people becoming liberals.

And getting kicked out of Conservatism.

By Can You Say Lieberman Switch?

November 10, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this

Rejection of a movement, eh?

The fact that the Democrats crossed midfield does not make this election a great anti-conservative swing. Republican losses included a massacre of moderate Republicans in the Northeast and Midwest. And Democratic gains included the addition of many conservative Democrats. Hence Heath Shuler of North Carolina, anti-abortion, pro-gun, anti-tax — and now a Democratic congressman.

Looks to me like the democrats won but liberalism lost.

Who can be sad abot that?

By Beat the dead horse

November 10, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this

Yesterday Rush Limbaugh told his listeners that “I no longer am going to have to carry the water for people who I don’t think deserve having their water carried”, essentially admitting that he has been lying to his audience all along.

Once again Mr. Limbaugh is giving himself more credit than is due. His actual roll was closer to the “le garçon de p**” from Mel Brooks’ History of the World!

By Can You Say Lieberman Switch?

November 10, 2006 08:11 AM | Link to this

The Democrats’ victories do not signal a liberal recrudescence in the republic. Many of the incoming Democrats ran as conservatives. That is because the conservative drift of the country continues. As many as two dozen of the newly elected Democrats ran affirming traditional social values, low taxes or other conservative desiderata. In the long term things continue to look bleak for the Old Order. Bob Casey, the candidate who beat Sen. Rick Santorum, is a social conservative whose father was barred from the 1992 Democratic convention because of his opposition to abortion. Jim Webb, who ran against Sen. George Allen, was a Reagan Republican and President Ronald Reagan’s Secretary of the Navy. In the House newly elected Democrats ran as advocates of gun owners’ rights and traditional values. One even signed the Americans for Tax Reform’s pledge against higher taxes (three Democratic incumbents in the House and one in the Senate have done the same).

By Beat the dead horse

November 10, 2006 08:12 AM | Link to this

Oh, and by the way….

For those of you who buy Glenn Beck’s it the “six year curse” theory…. Some of us gals have chipped in and got y’all a really, really big Midol.

Bloated fools.

By Solon

November 10, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

It’s always been hard to get people to do what’s best for them.

By Beat the dead horse

November 10, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

What the Republicans have not yet admitted is that they gave up the concept of fiscal conservatism. You gave it away to the Democrats and they are running with it.

This election is a clear choice by Americans for Fiscal Conservatism with Liberal social programs.

By How many Last Throes does this make?

November 10, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

Just saw this on one of the more conservative sites. I pretty much sums up the attitude of most conservatives except of course the brain dead ones that troll here.

Mr. President,

With all due respect, SHUT THE HELL UP.

Im sick of the man!

Now we have to fight him on his open borders policy on immigration. This is beyond pathic. I will say this, he had the foundation of having a great Presidency. He blew it. He in effect became worse than his father.

George, go on a 2 year vacation to Camp David or to Crawford with Cindy Sheean and get the hell out of our face.

You see George some of us have been working for 40 years to get to the point we were at 2 years ago. You have done any and everything you could to destroy our progress.

I used to just brush off any idea of Newt ever running for President, but as Rush said yesterday, Jesus Christ would be George Allen’d if he were a Republican running for President.

.

By Buy Danish

November 10, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

Odious Stalker Boy,

I thought you were an English Lit teacher? You get an F dude.

It’s SHEPHERD not SHEPPARD. That’s not a typo - that is ignorance.

Freaking idiot.

By @@

November 10, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

OoTMVoD:

What’s in a name? Shakespeare knew the answer to that one.

“A thing is what it is, not what it is called.”

A sweet smelling flower you aren’t.

A bitter root of division you are.

Congratulations on being bitter. What a great way to live your life. How’s that working for you, the individual?

By Buy Danish

November 10, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this

Beat the Dead Horse,

If you actually listened to Rush, and didn’t get your info from Left wing websites, you’d know that yesterday he spent a great deal of time clarifying that statement which was made the day before yesterday.

If you’re interested in the truth, not moonbat propaganda, read this.

He also destroys an idiot caller as he sets the record straight.

By Solon

November 10, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

Pelosi’s agenda, as outlines in yesterday’s AJC (p. A6), sounds pretty good. Let’s just hope she can garner the support necessary to pull it off with that cowboy in the White House:

Require the Iraqis to take responsibility for their country and begin the phased withdarawal of US forces.

Raise the minimum wage and end tax rewards for companies moving American jobs overseas.

Make college tuition permanently tax deductible.

Fix the Medicare prescription program. Promote stem cell research

Stop any plan to privatize Social Security in whole or in part. Enact pension reform, Expand personal savings incentives.

These are just her 6 ofr ‘06 goals. Sounds pretty good doesn’t it after all the obfuscation of the previous regime? Nice conservative agenda, noting to radical, just a little tidying up after the previous group of rascals.

By 'For Us or Against Us'

November 10, 2006 08:42 AM | Link to this

We can surely expect wingnuts to ‘walk their talk’ now that Democrats are the majority in both houses of Congress. When the ‘sore losers’ obstruct new legislation, filibuster, and veto new legislation in what is still ‘war time’, we should definitely call them on their past HYPOCRISY and LIES when they McCarthyized any critic who wasn’t ‘For Us or Against Us’ ! ! !

By Beat the dead horse

November 10, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

I’ll take moonbat propaganda over the wingnut variety.

As do most voters.

He can re-explain all day long, he is, was and ever shall be the GOP p!ss boy.

By Can You Say Lieberman Switch?

November 10, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

By Beat the dead horse November 10, 2006 08:23 AM This election is a clear choice by Americans for Fiscal Conservatism with Liberal social programs.

Too bad the voters didn’t know about the “liberal social programs” until now.

They’ll remember them next time.

Shove gay marriage down our throats, pinko, you got the power.

Give amnesty to all the millions and millions of ILLEGAL aliens, same as Bush wants, you the man.

Let’s install an abortion clinic in every public school, who needs abstinence?

Ball’s in your court.

By @@

November 10, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this

Andy: I wanted to leave a quick note of appreciation. I watched the news last night regarding the 10 week old baby in Colorado who had been abused the last four weeks of its’ life. The abuse resulted in 28 broken bones, brain damage, and death.

It brought tears to my eyes.

Hospital staff, the coroner, and the police all agreed it was a case of child abuse by the parents, but the local D.A. has yet to file charges. The abuse happened in February. The parents remain free.

It would appear that the death and torture of this young innocent is not worthy of the media’s attention. It’s not be covered.

You’re dedication to protect our children overwhelms me with admiration and respect. Yours is a righteous anger.

By Can You Say Lieberman Switch?

November 10, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

By Spammie? November 10, 2006 08:23 AM Mr. President, With all due respect, SHUT THE HELL UP. Im sick of the man!

Queen AntiR Of Yahoo!: You won the election. You’re in charge. Bush can cruise. He’s got you to blame now.

Have fun with it, I’m going to.

By Beat the dead horse

November 10, 2006 08:52 AM | Link to this

Can You Say Lieberman Switch?

“Ball’s in your court.”

At least we have some.

By Solon

November 10, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

I see a great deal of venom being directed towards gay marriages in this blog, such as “Shove gay marriage down our throats, pinko, you got the power” from Can You Say Lieberman Switch? at 844. What harm is it to you? These people deserve the right to seek companionship just as much as you do. I’m really perplex by the vehemence.

By Can You Say Lieberman Switch?

November 10, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

Rates on 30-year mortgages edged up slightly this week

The lending industry is preparing for the impending housing market collapse.

There is no way the growth boom in housing can be sustained under the weight of democrat tax and spend legislation, get ready to lose all your equity.

Adjustable mortgage rates are going to sky rocket.

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

YES! “Virginia is for lovers” is how the saying goes — thanks to the VA Dems for getting the extra 7,000+ voters needed for bringing sanity back to Congress!

By More Republican Fear Mongering

November 10, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

{Let’s install an abortion clinic in every public school, who needs abstinence?](http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/luckovich/entries/2006/11/09/thehomelesspr.html#comment-798314)

Naw, we’ll settle for putting birth control pills in the cafeteria vending machines (sarc off). With statements such as these, the wingnuts continue to shovel dirt into the hole they have already buried themselves in ! ! !

By Solon

November 10, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

We’ve got our political terminology totally confused, courtesy of excellent marketing programs by the Republicans over the past several years. There may still be a few Ivy Leaque class liberals around, but I don’t know who they would be. Ted’s too old and fat to have much fire any more. Influence, yes. Fire, no. Pelosi is in my book a moderate and anything to the right of that is purgatory. Never thought I would see the day when I would say that I rather miss the political rhetoric and verve of the late 60’s and early 70’s. It’s all so cowboyish now.

By More Republican Fear Mongering

November 10, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

Queen AntiR Of Yahoo!: You won the election. You’re in charge. Bush can cruise. He’s got you to blame now.

Ooooooooooo. Run for your lives everyone. Lock up your daughters. AntiR, Spammie, and Queen Yahoo are swooping down in one of their Hillarycopters to impregnate ‘em with kangaroo sperm and then give ‘em an abortion ! ! !

Iraq Veterans Against the War

By Jenn

November 10, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

Danish, Well put. I liked the transcript

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this

Solon @ 8:54,

I would say that you can find far more comments ^ ^ ^ up there applauding the people’s voice in the last election than you can find complaining about gay marriage.

Do you accept the election results from Tuesday?

By Dusty

November 10, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

Well,

it seems that many Democrats are suffering from Post Traumatic Syndome. They won the election battle on the national level but they are so unhinged that they can only throw insults.

To read some of the derogatory remarks on this blog makes one wonder if these are truly Americans. Sounds like the town “toughs” are planning to run the country. It does not inspire confidence, just when we need a lift.

By Buy Danish

November 10, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

Bitter Stalker Boy,

A little literature for the professed English Lit professor who can’t spell shepherd - From “Winesburg, Ohio” by Sherwood Anderson

UNTIL SHE WAS seven years old she lived in an old unpainted house on an unused road that led off Trunion Pike. Her father gave her but little attention and her mother was dead. The father spent his time talking and thinking of religion. He proclaimed him- self an agnostic and was so absorbed in destroying the ideas of God that had crept into the minds of his neighbors that he never saw God manifesting himself in the little child that, half forgotten, lived here and there on the bounty of her dead mother’s relatives.

This sounds like the bitter Stalker Boy to me.

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

Some good links for you, Andy, with JC as your Savior:

The summer camp featured in the documentary “Jesus Camp,” which includes scenes with disgraced preacher Ted Haggard, will shut down for at least several years because of negative reaction sparked by the film, according to the camp’s director

Looks like the brain-washing of your kids will just have to be put on hold for awhile — no little “terrorists for Jesus”…

By Solon

November 10, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

To RW (914),

I don’t quite understand the question. Do I accept the election results? They’re hard to deny; the people have spoken. Yes, I think we’ve moved back towards the center and that is very good for the country. I would like to see a broader political spectrum than we do now because I think we need hard political debate. Bush has had far too little dissent except for his strategies in Iraq. Dissent is healthy. Debate is good.

By stu pidashols

November 10, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

“It’s too bad that the voters took so long to learn about the “neo-con’s anti-social programs” until now.”

“If you actually listened to Rush, you’d be like me, a miserable wretch with no real life.”

“There are roughly 160 Conservatives in the United States…”

“I’ve got Jesus Christ and my deviant sexual perversions.”

“The voter’s rejected homophobic congressmen and Bush’s botching of the war on Islamic Fascism.”

“Here are these “militant sects of Christianity!”

“Here is Christian equivalent of Sharia Law!”

“Christianity, which has never been the most “enlightened” religion, has been hijacked by extremists who, while they may not be the majority, might as well be. And it didn’t take too many of them to put the Iraqi invasion together, did it?”

“If you find any Protestant “serpent handlers”, or any Christians of any stripe who are routinely killing innocents in the name of God around the world, that I don’t already know and admire, please introduce me!”

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

“does not inspire confidence, just when we need a lift.”

Dusty— and where exactly were you for the past 6 years when America needed “a lift”? Cheerleading for a propagandist-dictator in the White House… thanks a lot for your service to America in its time of agony!

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

The good news just keeps on coming!

Mehlman stepping down as Republican Committee Chair

By Solon

November 10, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

To RW,

For instance, I’ve heard nothing in this blog about the pitiful academic showing by U of G and GA Tech athletes. Winning football and basketball games is insufficient justification for failing these youngsters. It is a plantation mentality with the worn out bodies strewn by the wayside. I don’t hear anyone clamoring for the scalp of Michael Adams.

By Paual

November 10, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

Beat the Dead Horse at 8:23

“Fiscal conservatism with liberal social programs.”

We’ll have to wait and see how the Congressional majority accomplishes this. “Fiscal conservatism” needs to be defined. Do you increase taxes only? Do you cut other programs to offset the increases? I do not think “increasing taxes only” should be defined as “fiscal conservatism.”

And liberal social programs: for too long a staple (and I think, a weakness) of the pre-2006 election Democratic Party has been the “divide/conquer/bribe” vote-getting strategy (we’re going to give this group X). I know, Republicans can be accused of doing the same - with business groups, not population or special interest groups.

So, who’s going to pay? Sorry, but there “ain’t enough money from the top 1-3%” to fulfill all the wants. (I kinda like the concept, though. Went out to dinner with a group - I asked a self-identified liberal friend (quite well off) to pick up the tab for everybody in the name of “fairness.” He (gasp) refused! Guy didn’t see the irony, at all. No sense of fairness, either. Unlimited wants, many needs, limited resources. Many have a sense of entitlement (I want it, you have it, gimme). Again, maybe Pelosi, et al, will dissolve their family tax-avoidance trusts and tax them at the highest marginal rate to set a “fairness” example. And maybe pigs will fly.

By getalife

November 10, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

Can you feel it?

Can you see it?

There is a huge dark fog lifting from our country.

The wrongs are being righted.

Good has triumped over evil and our country is headed in the right direction.

The world is cheering with us and waiting for more accountability for all the gop disasters like Iraq.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

Solon,

Well on Tuesday people across the country roundly rejected gay marriage as they have in previous elections, so you have to decide whether to accept that or not.

Your comment that somehow gay people can’t have companionship without the right to marry sounds much more like you want to dictate a social structure than accept the election results.

Are you saying that the voters are the true voice of our country when they vote for something or someone you like, but rubes to be derided when they reject same?

By Buy Danish

November 10, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

Solon,

I don’t know how long you’ve been reading this blog, but you will see very quickly that the Leftists who “contribute” here are not interested in debate.

Their theme is STFU, and they are completely unwilling to discuss any alternatives to their world view.

Any ideas that go contrary to theirs are met with irrational hostility, and no matter how valid the argument, how respectfully it is submitted, the reaction is hysteria.

Stick around long enough and you’ll see what I mean.

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

Another good column, written by a GA preacher — pay attention, Andy:

Piety, not power, what counts

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Setting aside the obvious fact that RNC chairs almost always change every election cycle, it surprises me that you see Mehlman stepping down as good news. He was the engineer of the Republican strategy that got Democrats elected.

By Political Foreskin

November 10, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

Cartoon Idea: Show W driving a smashed car thru the Iraqi Bumper Car Ride and muttering, “I’m an excellent driver, yeah, excellent driver, yeah….”

By Dusty

November 10, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

You are the perfect example of what I am talking about—Democrats with Post Traumatic Syndrome.

Our commander-in-chief and our troops are fighting terrorism and I have supported them all the way. If you want to call that “cheerleading for a propagandist dictator”, go ahead. We have an obvious difference in what “support” means.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

Solon,

Surely you have a good point about putting education over athletics, but this isn’t really the proper blog for that so I don’t know why you would expect it to be a topic here.

If Wooten were to write something about it, or another column with a blog attachment was published those would be the places. I think there are blogs devoted to both Tech and UGA as well.

This blog is primarily national politics and sometimes we even make mention of the stick figures at the top.

By Can You Say Lieberman Switch?

November 10, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

Mexico City approves gay civil unions

Israel plans force of 9,000 to guard gay pride parade

Democrats Claim Majority

The pinko faqqots are taking over the world. The apocalypse is upon us. AAAAAAAeeeeeeeehhhhhh. Somebody pinch me, quick. If this ain’t a nightmare I’ve died and woke up in purgatory ! ! !

By Solon

November 10, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

RW,

In a democratic society we tacitly accept the “will of the majority.” That in no way implies that the will of the majority is the best possible outcome. As I commented early this morning, “It’s often hard to get people to do what’s good for them.” While accepting the law of the land, one can still agitate for change. That’s the beauty of the American political system: I got beat yesterday; today I start building my base for the next election. Dissent is good; debate is healthy.

By Solon

November 10, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

To RW (954)

I appreciate your explaining the rules of the game. I had seen enough various topics to believe that it was open to a broader range of political topics. Local politics, and I view the academic/athletic policies at Tech and GA local politics,which to me, is subsumed under the same heading as national politics. Most often, the more interesting debates are local. But thanks for the correction, I will do my best to stay within those confines, even though sometimes the local stuff is crying out for debate.

By Buy Danish

November 10, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

Solon,

IMHO, this statement betrays an arrogant, elitist point of view:

“It’s often hard to get people to do what’s good for them.”

That pretty well defines the mindset of Liberalism which translates to:

“We know what’s best for you, you’re too stupid to know how to run your own lives, and you need a big government program to set you on the right path.”

I bet you think that you are incredibly open-minded. What you don’t see is the tyranny of your ideas.

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

RW— I agree with you about RNC changeover happening every few years… I’m just glad we’ll maybe get to hear some different talking points, other than the constant “we’re fighting them over there…”, and maybe the Repugs will even stop their terrorist campaign tactics such as jamming the Dems’ phone lines on election day and sending false information about polling places… does your party have any inclination in making positive changes for America?:

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

Solon,

I was just trying to see where your were coming from. In the 9:57 you seem to be saying that if you feel you have the right solution to a problem that you should lobby your fellow citizens to garner their support.

I would agree wholeheartedly with that and so, I believe, would “Can you say Lieberman switch?”, which is why I find it odd that you complain that he said we shouldn’t have something shoved down our throat that we not only haven’t been persuaded is good, we have rejected in massive numbers across the political spectrum.

By Solon

November 10, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

To RW,

It’s taking an unconscionable length of time for the postings to come up. I need to go for awhile. Would like to complete this discussion when I return. Again, thanks for explaining the rules of the game. I did see from far ranging stuff a couple of days ago when Dusty, Paul, and Diogenes were discussing the Scientif Method, and far ranging stuff yesterday when Paul and Diogenes and Democritus (whence my choice of screen name) were discussing the Jihadists, the Jesuits, and Churchill. Be back shortly. Thanks. Dissent is good. Debate is healthy.

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

Solon, I don’t think the rules for posting here are as restrictive as what RW claims — I vote that you be allowed to post about school athletics if you so choose… those others who want to comment with you will then do so!

By Paual

November 10, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Friday called U.S. President George W. Bush’s defeat in congressional elections a victory for Iran.

“Since Washington’s hostile and hawkish policies have always been against the Iranian nation, this defeat is actually an obvious victory for the Iranian nation.”

“With the scandalous defeat of America’s policies in Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon and Afghanistan, America’s threats are empty threats on an international scale.”

Hmmm. Their senior cleric in charge of Islamic rule does not acknowledge issues leading to the defeat, such as fiscal irresponsibility, lack of immigration security, etc. that led many Republicans to vote Democratic. This is how an enemy sees the American political scene.

Always good to look at a situation through the eyes of your enemy.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

Solon,

As far as I know there are no rules of discussion and if you have a topic anybody is interested in then by all means go for it. I was simply pointing out places where it would make more sense to discuss UGA and Tech.

The problem with discussing local issues on this particular blog is that many of the contributors aren’t local.

By Buy Danish

November 10, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

“Are you saying that the voters are the true voice of our country when they vote for something or someone you like, but rubes to be derided when they reject same?”

RW,

I think Solon answered that question inadvertently when he said “It’s often hard to get people to do what’s good for them”.

Perhaps I am being too harsh?

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Which party headquarters had is doors chained shut and keys broken off in the locks Tuesday?

Which party had it’s voter transport vehicles tires slashed last election?

There are always a few shenanigans, but I think your party has the far more organized effort in that regard.

As for positive change, 2008 may be time for the Gingrich Revolution Redux.

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

It’s sad what had to happen to Lincoln Chaffee — now he’s considering switching to the Dems… and we welcome him with big arms:

Two days after losing a bid for a second term, Sen. Lincoln Chafee said he was unsure whether he would remain a Republican

I think we should all send him a letter of gratitude for serving so valiantly in the U.S. Senate and ask him to come over to the side where he’s most welcome!

By getalife

November 10, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

Here is a thought.

Keep your religion at church and stop preaching to people on how to live their lives.

Get out of our bedrooms perverts.

Downsize government to reduce our deficit.

Shut down K Street.

Find diplomats to talk to people.

Impeach W and Cheney for Iraq.

By N-GA

November 10, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I had come to look forward to your posts. They are thoughtful, cogent sometimes provocative. Your 9:36 was the latter.

I do strongly agree that increasing taxes alone does not equal fiscal conservatism. On the flip side, deceasing taxes while increasing spending isn’t either.

Now to the provocative stuff: I understand your dinner analogy, but believe it to be an unfair test, at best. I suspect you and the others were fully capable and willing to pay for your own meals so to ask that the wealthy friend pay “out of fairness” is not fair. He could pay out of kindness, generosity, friendship, or for any other reason…perhaps to even cover someone who “forgot their wallet”.

I don’t know where the point of income is that suggests that a higher tax rate is warranted. But when people earn millions and pay nothing, that demands attention, and “fairness”.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Bite me! You know damn well I didn’t outline any rules for posting and Solon can turn this into a High School pep rally if she wants.

I just said there are other blogs that might find more willing takers for her topic of discussion this morning.

By @@

November 10, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

Is this like…old news or propoganda?

Acting on a tip-off, soldiers descended on a building in the city of Rawah, 275 kilometers (175 miles) northwest of Baghdad, where they arrested local Al Qaeda commander Abu Muhayyam al-Masri,

If it’s true I say congratulations guys. “The Egyptian” sure didn’t reign for long.

Raining on Al Qaeda’s parade in Iraq.

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

“As far as I know there are no rules of discussion”

I certainly won’t bite you, RW— even though that’s what you may want. You posted your clarification to Solon about the same time I posted, so you STFU about it now!

By getalife

November 10, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

Listen up “neonuts”.

You lost.

Your fired.

Your ideology has been kicked to the curve.

Be the silent minority and listen to us.

We are the majority.

We rule.

Bwhahahahahaha!

Losers.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I agree with Solon to the point that it is hard too persuade enough people that something that would be a great thing for them really is and get them to support it.

For instance the Fair Tax would be a boon to this country in nearly every economic area and would have the added benefit of taking power away from career politicians and virtually wipe out K Street.

I have a feeling that you’re right though. Typically when a lib says that they mean they are just going to do it “for the common good” with or without your consent.

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

“Which party headquarters had is doors chained shut and keys broken off in the locks Tuesday?”

Oh BOO-HOO, RW. Apparently whatever occurred in the instance you posted did not warrant an FBI INVESTIGATION for breaking the law:

FBI investigating reports of misleading calls to Virginia voters claiming precinct changes

There’s your mark of Mehlman and KKK Rove, repeating what they’ve been investigated for in the past!

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Sorry, I was giving you credit for being smart enough to have known from my original comment that I wasn’t setting rules. I’ll try not to make that mistake again.

I think I will take your suggestion to STFU though. It’s a beautiful day and 18 holes of green grass await.

By Dusty

November 10, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

Paual (Is that you Paul?),

I think we see quite clearly through “the eyes of the enemy”. You only mention what you think the terrorist spokesman forgot to mention. I would give you what I see quite clearly as to the enemy’s thoughts about our elections.

They see it as a cut’n’run victory for them in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine and Afghanistan. They feel like there is great encouragement for them to produce WMDs, banish Israel and Lebanon as countries, and install fundamentalist theocracies such as the Taliban whenever and wherever they wish. I would not be surprised to hear some “victory” shouts from North Korea.

They hate the strength of Bush and Rumsfeld and feel like America is losing its “spine”.

Perhaps you can improve my eyesight. Right now it is 20/20.

By Solon

November 10, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

TO RW, Goldie, and others:

Thanks for the clarification of the rules. Do you remmeber the guy in college who would debate anything at any time at any place? I was that guy. I don’t always know what I believe until I’ve had a couple of good debates about. The environment I’ve been in the past 20 years or so was not conductive to good debate, so I’m relearning the rules, relearning politics, and just having the best time of my life. Thanks for the clarifications and for the willingness to let me throw up a topic to see if I can a discussion going. I’ve sampled a few of the other blogs and this is by far the most interesting.

By bon scott

November 10, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

By Donut Hole - November 10, 2006 09:41 AM - I don’t know how long you’ve been reading this blog, but you will see very quickly that the Leftists who “contribute” here are not interested in debate. Their theme is STFU, and they are completely unwilling to discuss any alternatives to their world view.

Trying to write comedy? Keep your day job. The neocons here are like the Bush neocons in Washington are with any lawmaker, Democratic or Republican who dares veer from the party line. No exchanges of ideas are permitted. Dialogue is frowned upon. Admittance to the “big tent” requires marching in lockstep.

And Tuesday’s election defeat hasn’t changed them.

How else to explain Bush’s decision to press for the confirmation of John Bolton as UN Ambassador? Bolton was shoved down the throats of Democrats last year. And Bush thinks Democrats are going to play nice with this? Or even rational Republicans?

Key GOP Senator joins Dems opposing Bolton nomination

Why doesn’t he nominate Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court again? What a time waster.

Yes, the Bush GOP can talk nice when their bluff has been called, but deep down they’re really shallow. And arrogant.

So insufferably, annoyingly arrogant. Very much like the Bush neocons here.

Right down to instructing visitors to this blog on what should and shouldn’t be discussed.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

It could be that when you have no real evidence you have to phony up a complaint and call the FBI.

On the other hand when a “prank” occurs you can call the local police and get them to take the case right away

I’ll check in before closing to see how your investigation is coming along.

By Buy Danish

November 10, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

Solon/Democritus/Diogenes,

Are you having an identity crisis? Why the constant name-switch?

By Where Would Liberals Be Without Scare Tactics?

November 10, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

Queen AntiR of Yahoo!: This may be too much for you to sort out on your own but when you change personalities, or whatever it is you weirdo libs do change, maybe you should try some different traits to go along with it:

By More Republican Fear Mongering (Spammie)November 10, 2006 09:11 AM Ooooooooooo. Run for your lives everyone. Lock up your daughters. AntiR, Spammie, and Queen Yahoo are swooping down in one of their Hillarycopters to impregnate ‘em with kangaroo sperm and then give ‘em an abortion {{{{{{! ! !}}}}}}

Spammie/ AntiRadical is the only one who does this weird sh-it {{{{{! ! !}}}}}}

Old habits are hard to break.

By Tana

November 10, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

I think it’s time to start looking at the new leadership in Washington with the same skewed microscope you view Repulicans. I would like to point out Donald Rumsfeld is someone who should of been enjoying his retirement, he has earned it. He however chose to serve in a time in American history where no man has had to go before. If you cannot at least at this time recoginize the intergrity, intelligence, and real concern Donald Rumsfelf had for America you are one who is clearly so partisan that your view or value judgements are worthless. He has conducted himself remarkably, considering every thing he does is under a microscope of people who are clueless about what it means to be a leader especailly in a time of war. It is so easy to critize, the real challenge is to be funny while not offending half of the American people.

By Political Foreskin

November 10, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

That’s actually not a bad idea having an abortion clinic in every public school; it keeps the little tykes aware that sex shouldn’t have any consequences.

Even better, what about strip clubs and massage parlors in public school? We could make sure that other people’s kids, remember we don’t have any, would be prepared for this brave new world of liberalism.

Plus the tips would help pay for our salaries!

By Buy Danish

November 10, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Sybil Bon Crackpot,

For someone who just won a bunch of elections, you certainly are stuck in the anger and rage mode. It must be time for you to revisit the sanitarium as you are losing it.

Bush is still our President. He can nominate Bolton if he chooses and it will be debated in the Senate. You’re probably not keen on the spectacle of Ted Kennedy and Chuckie Shumer going after him and making fools of themselves in the process, so I can somewhat understand your virulent reaction.

I personally think Bolton is a great choice, but I guess he’s too effective for wussy little finchie poo who just wants to coddle the corrupt and anti-American members of the U.N. while pretending to care about a “culture of corruption”.

over and out.

By getalife

November 10, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Admit it “neocons”, your party are losers and failures.

Get over it.

Climb down from your fake high and mighty pedestal.

You are the silent minority and have been wrong about everything.

Bow down and be humble for you are defeated failures.

By Solon

November 10, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

To Buy Danish,

As a response to your question, “Solon/Democritus/Diogenes,

Are you having an identity crisis? Why the constant name-switch?”

Since I’ve just discovered blogging over the past two weeks, particularly this one, I am having something of an identity crisis. I’m unsure which “voice” I want yet. As Solon, I’ve been a little revelatory today, but I more properly style myself as Diogenes, a seeker after truth. Democritus is more fun because he’s the gadfly, not too serious (whereas ol’ Solon is very serious), just trying to find the smallest particle upon which to base an argumentor rebuttal.

By Where Would Liberals Be Without Scare Tactics?

November 10, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Friday called U.S. President George W. Bush’s defeat in congressional elections a victory for Iran.

Hahahaha.

Too bad those are the dudes wanting to nuke the rest of the world and set up their own little religious paradise right here in America.

Looks like they’re all happy too.

They know what panty waist feminists the democrats are.

By Jenn

November 10, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

Leader of Al Quaeda in Iraq is warning America of an attack on the White House.

By Where Would Liberals Be Without Scare Tactics?

November 10, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

By getalife November 10, 2006 10:48 AM Listen up “neonuts”. You lost. Your fired. Your ideology has been kicked to the curve.

Yeah, we’ll pack up this afternoon and get out of your hair.

Have you calmed down enough to tally up how many liberal democrats lost their seats to Conservative democrats?

The Republicans may be gone but Conservatism wins elections, EVERY TIME IT’S RUN ON.

Revert to your pinko ways and you will be tossed.

By @@

November 10, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

Say what? 60 plots? Chemical and biological?

Taking their jihad to the west one young terrorist at a time.

Britain Spy Agency Tracking Terror Plots

As Joan Rivers and the liberals would say….”Can we talk?”

And I’m guessing….probably not. It hasn’t proven successful in the past.

But hey, you know what they say about repeating a behavior over and over and expecting a different outcome.

It’s a liberal dose of insanity.

Jihadists hate George Bush. Why do you reckon that is. Maybe we can ask the liberals. They hate the man too.

By Where Would Liberals Be Without Scare Tactics?

November 10, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

I’ve heard some of these panty waists brag about the Atlanta Urinal’s gains in internet readership, think about that while you wait for their third world server to load a few lines of text.

Typical liberals, they probably snorted up all of thier IT budget.

By Phil

November 10, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

Terrific. The Dems are now expected to “fix” the highly predictable horrors which Bush and his moronic thugs inflicted on Iraq and the world in general. Hang the bastards!

By Buy Danish

November 10, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

Solon et cetera,

Well now that we’ve got that straight, I’m still waiting for evidence of a world wide movement of Christians who want to blow up the White House, slaughter Britons, and perform other atrocities.

I’ll look for your response after closing time. That will give you Democritus and Diogenes plenty of time to discuss it and do the necessary research.

By Diogenes

November 10, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this

Nope. Third world computers are faster than this.

By Robert

November 10, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this

More than 150,000 Iraqis slaughtered. You’re doing a heckuva job, Bush Chimp. Would you like to share with us what you’ve accomplished? Please, no “war on terror,” no “victory,” no “heroes,” no “got Saddam.”

By getalife

November 10, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

Wow, the neonuts are whining today.

I guess they can’t admit they lost.

This is why the gop will not be listened to in Washington.

Same old crap, try something new.

By HumanisticJones

November 10, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

Well, I’m so glad to see that in the spirit of Bush and Pelosi’s mutual efforts the Democrats and the Republicans have opened up civil discussions with each other about their differences and how we can still work towards making America greater while still having our disagreements. /sarcasm off\

Both sides in here are making me sick. Democrats, you won the majority. Yay for you. This is no excuse to just be a complete bastard about it. Yes they lost, but not on account of some grand message from your side. They lost because the Reps in power at the time had made the American people angry enough to vote them out. Time to get to work and lay down some real results.

And Republican, this whole deal of lobbing out the Buzz-words (cut-n-run, liberal pinko moonbat, tax and spend, you know what I mean) isn’t going to work anymore. You don’t run things, so now’s the time to take a cue from Bush and pull out the civility and charisma. By all means disagree with them (I’ve been saying it all through the Republican Majority, disent with the majority is still patriotic), but you’re not making any points by attacking and insulting people.

Yes, both sides, knock it off and get friendly, this country has alot of work to do on getting people back on the same page.

I’m an independent by the way, so I didn’t vote for either of your candidates where I had the choice. If the Dems screw it up on this one, I’ll be just as critical and venomous as I was about Republican idiot-moments.

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

“He has conducted himself remarkably, considering every thing he does is under a microscope of people who are clueless about what it means to be a leader especailly in a time of war.”

Tana— just like Dubya & Rummy, you’ve succeeded in offending 67% of Anericans who want a workable plan for winning in Iraq, not the same business as usual “stay the course.” Rummy’s war critics are not “terrorist appeasers” and do not want “the terrorists to win in Iraq” — he claimed yesterday that Americans just “do not understand” what this war is like to fight. Just like you say that we are “clueless.”

Stop insulting Americans simply for disagreeing with a failed war policy. The majority of Americans are not “clueless” about what’s going on in the world.

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

“I’ve sampled a few of the other blogs and this is by far the most interesting.”

Solon— you are right! This blog is always interesting and we welcome you aboard!

By Solon

November 10, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

TO Buy Danish (1227)

That will make for a lively debate and give us plenty to think and argue about while we entertain ourselves by shelfing books at the local library. Diogenes will no doubt emerge the dominant voice with Solon intervening when we need a liberal voice and Democritus whenever it’s all to ridiculous for words. Thanks for the fun. Be back later.

By HumanisticJones

November 10, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

I’m still waiting for evidence of a world wide movement of Christians who want to blow up the White House, slaughter Britons, and perform other atrocities. Eh, it runs in cycles, right now its the Islamic fundamentalists turn to roll around the world killing people in the name of righteous fury. But a few centuries ago, I seem to recall Christianity crashing across Europe terrorizing any heritics, “witches” and jews with violence, threats, and fear. I think you Abrahamic religions just take turns on this, soon it will be the Baha’i’s turn to go on their rampage of religious terror.

By Beat the dead horse

November 10, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

Yes sir, keep calling it a win by conservative democrats. We love it!

It makes it far easier for folks in 2008 to vote for a candidate with a D after his/her name. Yes, dear hearts, there is a place in the Democratic party for conservatism. Welcome to the grown ups table in the big tent.

American citizens are now keenly aware of the difference between a conservative and a neo-con.

Keep up the good work!

By getalife

November 10, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

In case you missed it, Rush fooled you “dittoheads”. The lib hatred was all a skit. Ann is going to prison.

Try something new losers.

Give the Dems a chance to clean up your mess.

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

“But hey, you know what they say about repeating a behavior over and over and expecting a different outcome.”

Thanks, @@— that’s a perfect description of Dubya & Rummy’s occupation of Iraq for the past 3+ years… for some reason they just kept wanting to believe that those damned Iraqis really wanted to see the Americans occupying their country day after day and bringing about the daily chaos in their lives. I guess that’s just the Iraqis’ way of “greeting us as liberators”, yes?

By bon scott

November 10, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

By Where Would NEOCONS Be Without Scare Tactics? - November 10, 2006 11:54 AM - TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Friday called U.S. President George W. Bush’s defeat in congressional elections a victory for Iran.](http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/luckovich/entries/2006/11/09/thehomelesspr.html#comment-798901)

Andy’s pickled again. Imagine using scare tactics to denounce “scare tactics”? A drunk neocon would.

Too bad those are the dudes wanting to nuke the rest of the world and set up their own little religious paradise right here in America.

And who ignored Iran’s nuke program? Hmmmm?

They know what panty waist feminists the democrats are.

Yawn… once again it’s all about sex, isn’t it? Have another drink.

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

Phil— you’re correct… the Dems won the congressional election 3 days ago and we’re now being blamed for not solving all of Dubya’s problems yet!

By Republican Neo-Kooks Submarine the Party

November 10, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

Contract With America (Mission Accomplished?)

On the first day of the 104th Congress, the new Republican majority will immediately pass the following major reforms, aimed at restoring the faith and trust of the American people in their government:

FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;

SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;

THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;

FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs;

FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;

SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public;

SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;

EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

No wonder Newt Gringrich blasted the Republicans in today’s print edition AJC for abadoning their own stated principles and falling lock-step behind the extreme right neo-kook minority in their party.

This is not exactly ‘news’ for Newt, though. He has been saying this for quite a while now: Gingrich Criticizes Bush, 4/12/06.

Newt For President in 2008 ! ! !

By @@

November 10, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

If he hurries, they might get it done before the liberals here can. They want the same thing. The healthy determination of competition.

He said his group would not rest until it had BLOWN UP THE PRESIDENTIAL MANSION IN WASHINGTON.](http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-11-10T172059Z01IBO132069RTRUKOC0_US-IRAQ.xml&src=rss&rpc=22)

“I swear by God we shall not rest from jihad until we…blow up the filthiest house known as the White House,” the voice on the recording said.

The liberals wouldn’t be swearing by God though. By Pelosi maybe. Yea….that’ll get the job done.

By bon scott

November 10, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

By Donut Hole - November 10, 2006 11:46 AM - Sybil Bon Crackpot, for someone who just won a bunch of elections, you certainly are stuck in the anger and rage mode. It must be time for you to revisit the sanitarium as you are losing it.

Who’s stuck in the anger and rage mode? At least I haven’t suggested that you be committed. Yet.

It’s not just your neocon arrogance. It’s your condescending arrogance. I hope Democrats on the Hill aren’t in too much of a vengeful mood. Nothing will get done. But I wouldn’t blame them if they were.

Bush is still our President. He can nominate Bolton if he chooses and it will be debated in the Senate.

He could nominate another Harriet Miers, too. That doesn’t make it a smart moves for someone calling for bipartisan co-operation.

I personally think Bolton is a great choice

Actually, I wasn’t that opposed to Bolton. I’m still not. He challenges the UN, which needs it.

But questions about the original Bolton nomination were dismissed with contempt by the Bush GOP. Such disrespect can be forgiven, but is not easily forgotten.

So instead of criticizing the “arrogance and rage” of Democrats, you might want to rein in your own. And while your at it, work on that condescending attitude. It’s very unflattering.

By Have Another Toke?

November 10, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

bon scott: Andy ain’t drunk, he’s been smoking the ‘Bushes’ since 2000.

By Dusty

November 10, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

Humanistic Jones,

Why don’t you get off your safe “fence” and join in the foray?

I myself like the term “cut-n-run” because that is exactly what the terrorist and terroristic countries think we have done. Do you think they are delicately saying, “Oh, dear, Americans are not thinking on the same page anymore.”

As al-Jazeera reports that they are jubilant. “They” being terrorists and terrorist countries. They are “jubilant” as al-Jazerra reported, because they think George Bush’s Republican Party has lost and they can now beat us in any endeavor.

So, stay on your fence, Jones, and let the chips fall where they may. George W. Bush has extended the olive branch to Democrats. Let’s see if they can respond and therefore fool our enemies.

By getalife

November 10, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

Andy,

It was the American people who won this election.

Not the libs, leftist, etc…

Try something new and stop bashing the American people.

By Can You Say Fillibuster?

November 10, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

By Beat the dead horse November 10, 2006 12:47 PM Yes sir, keep calling it a win by conservative democrats. We love it! It makes it far easier for folks in 2008 to vote for a candidate with a D after his/her name. Yes, dear hearts, there is a place in the Democratic party for conservatism. Welcome to the grown ups table in the big tent. American citizens are now keenly aware of the difference between a conservative and a neo-con. Keep up the good work!

Just think of how much better it would be if you got rid of all the panty waist feminists.

By getalife

November 10, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

It looks like the English intelligent community is setting a fine example on how to deal with terrorism.

It does not involve blowing up babies. That emboldens the terrorists.

By @@

November 10, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

Phil & Goldie: After spending so many years listening to you guys call it a mess, are you now saying that it’ll take time.

Gee, isn’t that what Bush has been saying all along?

You wanted it, you got it. I, for one, am thrilled. I reserve the right to blame the Democrats for every success enjoyed by the jihadists. It’s only fair.

Republicans have enjoyed the privelege for five years. We have the patience necessary. You?

By Political Foreskin

November 10, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

Rumsfeld is remaking the movie, “A Few Good Men” with “Two Men and a Humvee”.

Cartoon Idea: Show rummy as an armchair general muttering, “If I only coulda had fewer men.”

or “If I only coulda had the army I wanted instead of the army I had.”

By @@

November 10, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Oops! Didn’t see you there getalife. I’ve been meaning to ask you if you sent yourself a love e-mail from me the other day at Wooten’s.

If you did, I enjoyed it. It made me laugh. :-)

By Only Neo-Kooks Wanna Be Called Republican Now

November 10, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

PROVIDENCE, R.I. - Two days after losing a bid for a second term, Sen. Lincoln Chafee said he was unsure whether he would remain a Republican.

Looks like Chafee is finally beginning to see through the neo-fog, too ! ! !

By Political Foreskin

November 10, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

If one more troll hacks Rush Limbaugh one more time……….

Try to think for yourself, trolls, or stfu.

Not one original insight from the Right in six years, it’s all Rush Wimpaw.

By bon scott

November 10, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

At last a whining neocon reveals the hidden truth. A comedian engineered the GOP Bush loss.

Forget left of center bloggers, Jon Stewart is this year’s kingmaker. Without him and The Daily Show, the Democrats would not have made such large inroads in the midterm elections. Let me explain why.

Stewart’s audience is a fraction of O’Reilly’s. Or Limbaugh’s. This is the tastiest slice of rationalization pie I’ve seen since Tuesday!

By @@ - November 10, 2006 01:00 PM - He said his group would not rest until it had BLOWN UP THE PRESIDENTIAL MANSION IN WASHINGTON.

Stop with the FEAR already. Next thing you know, you’ll have Pelosi personally delivering White House blueprints to the crazies.

They’re not any more dangerous than they were last week. Or any less.

By Republican Neo-Kooks Submarine the Party - November 10, 2006 12:56 PM - No wonder Newt Gringrich blasted the Republicans in today’s print edition AJC. Newt For President in 2008!!

You have GOT to be kidding! Newt never bothered with the FIRST contract. And he’s not exactly “family values”.

Go ahead, nominate Gingrich. I guess you WANT to lose in 2008.

By getalife

November 10, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

@@,

No but I wish I did author that post. It was very funny.

Probably one of the local comedians like Political Foreskin.

By Paual

November 10, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

Good Afternoon, N-GA at 10:35

Good analysis, there. I trust the “had looked forward to” was not an intentional past tense finale.

Yes, I was being a tad provocative, attempted to elicit an expansion from some who support repeal of tax cuts, want new programs (expansion of Medicare drug benefit, inspect all cargo containers, etc) but who are quiet when the question is asked, “and how shall we fund it?” Rather reminds me of a discussion I had before the last election with a rather highly placed national campaign worker for Sen Kerry. She had some neutral-positive comments about the Medicare Prescription Program’s impact on her parents, then she went on to berate the administration for lack of support on another medical initiative. I said, in an exaggerated fashion,” now you want me to pay for your parents’ doctor bills, too?” She replied, “no, I want the government to pay.” To which I responded “where do you think the government gets its money?” No response. I was interested in understanding how she thought, not her views on health care.

The dinner analogy was meant to illustrate, to what extent does one think it proper to have your fellow citizens pay your expenses? I am in favor of a progressive tax (realizing that both parties use the tax system to accomplish their vision of social restructuring, not to merely fund essential operations) system. My problem with the “flat tax” is it’s highly regressive, with the distinct possibility of leading to huge increases for middle America. When a number of exceptions, exclusions, shields, etc. are put in, it strikes me as just another start on the road to the convoluted system we have now.

I’m not aware of people who earn millions and pay nothing – but am aware of many who earn millions and use legal means to shield a great deal from tax. When these actions are used by those calling for “fairness and equity” I see hypocrisy. Hence my references to Senators Pelosi and Kennedy and George Soros, who has a huge part of his assets in Caribbean-nation accounts to escape US taxes. Senator Kennedy makes reference to paying taxes; unfortunately, about all that’s covered is his government salary.

Long, I know, and could go on – but there are people who take risks, work hard, gain reward, and – I find it a bit tiresome to constantly hear “tax the top n% more” without any other options explored.

Not to

By Buy Danish

November 10, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Sybil Bon Squawk,

Before I run out for the weekend, I must post this less anyone be left with the false impression that George Bush is acting like a tyrannical King when he appoints John Bolton to a recess appointment and decides to re-nominate him when the Senate reconvenes.

Recess appointments are authorized by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution

President Bill Clinton made a recess appointment of Bill Lan Lee as Assistant Attorney General for civil rights, when it became clear that Lee’s strong support of affirmative action would lead to Senate opposition. Similarly, when the Senate did not vote on his nomination of James Hormel to be Ambassador to Luxembourg, Clinton made a recess appointment

The fact is that this has been used since the days of George Washington. I am left to infer from your rage over this exercise of Constitutionally authorized power that you want to limit it only for your own exalted purposes - which in Bill Clinton’s case were to promote a liberal social agenda.

Your so out of sorts that you’re furious even though you claim to support the nominee!

Does that make sense to anybody but Sybil? You’ll forgive me if I’m left to conclude that that irrational thinking is just plain…nuts.

Have a nice day.

By @@

November 10, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Just for fun, let’s put a NYT headline on yesterday’s news, but only if Rangel had been a Republican.

CONGRESSMAN DISMISSES MISSISSIPPI, SAYS ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

By stu pidashols

November 10, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

I don’t know how long I’ve been ruining this blog, but you will see very quickly that I really don’t “contribute” here and am not interested in useful debate.

My theme is I’m always right and you’re always wrong, and I am never completely willing to discuss any alternatives to my F up’d world view.

Any ideas that go contrary to mine, I mete out much irrational hostility, and no matter how valid their argument, how respectfully it is submitted, my reaction is anger and derision.

Stick around long enough and you’ll see what I’m like.

By Paual

November 10, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

@@ 10:47

Thanks for the info. It’s true.

Link: http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6197&Itemid=46

Dated 5 Oct. Didn’t hear much good news like this before the election. Bias? Nahhh. Didn’t see anything on Drudge, other sites, either.

By Clem

November 10, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

It looks like windbag Paul is a preop transexual

Paul——->Paual———>Paula

By Paul

November 10, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

Dusty at 11:06

Yes, ‘tis I. I fatfingered the “Name” then selected “Remember Me” so the error was repeated.

I thought I’d included the Reuters link. Did not mean to selectively quote, just tried to limit comments. Was in response to those yesterday who in effect said, Terrorists even pay attention to our elections? (Translate: I don’t want to think that in their eyes they see an advantage if the Democratic Party comes to power and the Americans follow the Dean-Murtha-etc etc rhetoric). Point is, words do matter, particularly when those who do not understand our system are involved.

Having said that, why would you think I’d take exception to your post? I do think there are a disturbing number of Americans, let alone those in the West, who think the idea of an enemy is a myth or disinformation, and if any danger is acknowledged, it is tremendously minimized.

Here’s the entire article: Link:http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyid=2006-11-10T140135Z01L10266591RTRUKOC0_US-USA-ELECTIONS-IRAN.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

By bon scott

November 10, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

Dearest Donut Hole,

How interesting to see you compare the job of Assistant Attorney General of Whatever to the job of US ambassador to the UN.

As if they’re equally important.

All politicians are adept at using “rules” to gain advantage. Few were less subtle about it than the Bush GOP.

You are united with them in the condescending arrogance they have employed in pursuit of what they see as their heaven sent political entitlements. Your bad.

Trade the hubris for a bit of humility. You might actually accomplish more.

By HumanisticJones

November 10, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

Dusty “Why don’t you get off your safe “fence” and join in the foray?”

I did, voted Democrat when there wasn’t a Libertarian to vote for. I’m not on a fence, I’m just standing in a different yard than the two biggest parties.

“Do you think they are delicately saying, “Oh, dear, Americans are not thinking on the same page anymore.””

Nope, not thinking that at all actually. But are you saying that we and the terrorists should be thinking alike? Let them use their crap talk all they want to themselves, we’re Americans, and I figured that we’d be thinking more rationally then just spilling propaganda out of our mouths.

“As al-Jazeera reports that they are jubilant. “They” being terrorists and terrorist countries. They are “jubilant” as al-Jazerra reported, because they think George Bush’s Republican Party has lost and they can now beat us in any endeavor.”

So lets show them how wrong they are. Rally together, send more troops out to Iraq, and crush them like ants. That’s the best they deserve, a severe a*-kicking at the hands of a country with a purpose. I never said I was against the war. I’m glad to see any religious extreemist fall and have his martyrdom shoved down his throat.

By N-GA

November 10, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

Paul,

My use of the past tense was my way of being provocative.

As a long-time independent who tries to balance fiscal conservatism with social responsibility, I was aghast when this administration chose to implement tax cuts before imposing spending cuts and balanced budget initiatives. I also disapprove of not including the direct costs related to our middle east wars in the operating budget (just because these expenses are/were not planned does not mean they should not be included in the budget deficit).

For my buck I believe that the government should restrict its expenses to constitutionally-approved activities (amend the Constitution if there is a genuine need to expand those activities - like EPA). Then raise/lower tax rates to a level necessary to support government expenses. Then don’t allow new expense-incurring legislation to pass without identifying the revenue source(s) necessary to implement AND MAINTAIN the legislation. That could be fees, taxes, fines, duties, etc.

We, the People, had not yet “earned” the tax cuts that the GOP pushed. If Congress had cut expenses first, then the tax cuts might have been warranted. But this Congress went on a politically-fueled spending spree…and GWB didn’t even veto the pork-laden highway bill that was full of stuff not related at all to roads and bridges.

To add insult to injury, our government embarked on a nation-building excercise (call it what you will) that wasn’t funded, either. And if the Dems act similarly, I will be equally vocal about condemning them.

By RE

November 10, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

Rumsfeld lost his immunity by resigning, this probably will not go anywhere, but will make Rummy unhappy in his retirement

Rummy is going on trial for war crimes

By @@

November 10, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

Aaaahhh getalife, I’m disappointed.

You keep up with your humor though. It’s always welcome by @@.

finch: Excuse me, but are you telling me what I can and cannot post here? And you are……..? You certainly have the right to decipher it however you like.

My personal opinion is that they are every bit as dangerous as they were when they took American hostages in Tehran and have increased in numbers as they were intended to do. It required no provocation from us.

It was their game plan. I don’t think Pelosi will be handing them blueprints, but I am waiting to see what she and the Democrats plan to do, if anything at all. You guys were eager to turn it over to a bunch who had no clear plan of attack.

Bush had a plan, with room for improvement. The American public lacked the patience. It was the enemies strategy and it paid off.

Withdraw and wait? For…………?

By Paul

November 10, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

Clem 1:49

Even when you make your toddler sexual comments you don’t have the courage to use your regular screen name?

Typical for someone who expects others to fight his battles and sit home and whine.

By @@

November 10, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

Well RE, you can call that a sacrifice on Rummy’s part. He knew the consequences and did what was best for his country rather than what would serve him personally.

Here’s to Rumsfeld. I believe in an interview, he listed his priorities as God, his family, country, and then himself last.

By Paul

November 10, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

N-GA

And THAT is a big reason the Republicans were voted out. The idea, though, that the Democratic Party will embrace any of the ideas you enunciated is, well, provocative!

I wasn’t aware the supplemental Defense appropriations weren’t included in the budget - hence reflected in the deficit.

David Stockman (Reagan’s budget director) wrote a book about his time in the Reagan Administration, The Triumph of Politics: why the Reagan Revolution Failed.

Got the tax cuts through, greatly increased Defense budget, didn’t make any other cuts. Sound familiar?

By N-GA

November 10, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

Okay,

Should homemade buffalo wings be deep fried or baked in the oven? Let’s assume that eating chicken wings says it all about whether one should care which method is healthier (or less healthy).

By N-GA

November 10, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

bleu cheese or ranch?

By @@

November 10, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Paul: I would have sworn my FOX link said it was the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq, but with all these odd names, “Haza-waza-bama-huddi-masri” I could be mistaken.

RW refers to Middle Eastern locales as “one of those istans.”

They do tend to have one re-read for confirmation.

By Paul

November 10, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

N-GA

Deep fried. Definitely. In the words of Mario Batali: “This is America. When in doubt, deep fry it.”

By N-GA

November 10, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Of course the military has a budget. But when an “unplanned” event arises (read: Afghanistan or Iraq or Panama or Granada), it is initially funded thru Congress and is subsequently not reported as part of the “operating” deficit that is cited in the media. I’m simply saying that it should be included in the “operating” deficit.

If a corporation has “one-time” expenses, they are always reflected in the financial statements, usually under “one-time” or “extraordinary” expense.

By @@

November 10, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Fried, tossed in Pete’s Hot Sauce that has been combined with 1 stick of melted butter.

Dressing is for celery, not hot wings.

By bon scott

November 10, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

By @@ - November 10, 2006 02:23 PM - Bush had a plan, with room for improvement. The American public lacked the patience. It was the enemies strategy and it paid off.

No, the enemy is simply preaching to the choir. Propaganda meant for domestic consumption. If the Bush GOP had won, they would have used THAT to agitate followers. They’re scared now. Let them be scared. They fear the day when the US targets them where they live. Where they meet and plot. Here’s a hint. It’s NOT Iraq.

Withdraw and wait? For…………?](http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/luckovich/entries/2006/11/09/thehomelesspr.html#comment-799378)

There’s no Democratic Party mandate for withdrawl. And you know it.

As for Bush’s Iraq “plan”? What plan? The one that had the US out in 6 months? The one that had Iraqi oil revenues funding reconstruction?

At least Robert Gates, his Defense Secretary nominee is prepared to shake things up:

The administration officials said that Mr. Bush was aware of Mr. Gates’s critique of current policy and understood that Mr. Gates planned to clear the “E Ring” of the Pentagon, where many of Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld’s senior political appointees have plotted Iraq strategy.

Here’s hoping Gates can come up with something less cosmetic than “mission accomplished”, or “stay the course”. And here’s hoping he avoids excuses like “you go in with the army you have”.

It’ll be nice to see some responsibility and accountability for a change.

By N-GA

November 10, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I’ve been to Babbo and Esca in NYC. Both are terrific (Esca is less noisy). Great wine lists…also enjoyed his little bistro adjacent to Esca.

By Paul

November 10, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

Bleu cheese. More bite.

And beer. Nothing “lite.” Not with deep fried wings, bleu cheese, Pete’s Hot Sauce and butter. “Lite” would be just plain wrong.

By N-GA

November 10, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

Thank you Paul & @@,

Fried it is! I have the Texas Pete’s already…and the cold beer(s)

By Paul

November 10, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

From “The Rantings of a Sandmonkey” blog. Guy’s Egyptian (not “American of Egyptian descent”). Linked from elsewhere. Different perspective on lots of things. Same for the bloggers - whew. Want to see what Middle East media has to say? Ladies, prepare to get offended if you go there.

This got right to the point of what some have been discussing.

You know, even though this article is a satire, it does have a point: Rummy resigning now is nothing short of a trap to the incoming democrats-controlled Congress!

ALR: Can you share with us what you foresee happening at the confirmation hearings?

Rummy: Oh its going to be great theater. The back seat drivers will finally have to go on record for what they think is the best course instead of always complaining that we just missed a turn.

ALR: It sounds like you are actually looking forward to the hearings?

Rummy: Yes. Very much so. You see most of the complaining from the Democrats has fallen into two camps. Either they think that I haven’t listened to my generals and that hundreds of thousands of more troops are needed or they advocate a running away from Iraq except they keep calling that strategy “redeployment”. The hearings will put those people on the spot to explain exactly where they stand. Do they want to cut and run or do they plan to budget for hundreds of thousands of new troops? Can you picture Ted Kennedy stuttering his way out of that?

ALR: I think I’m starting to get it. The hearings are normally about a candidate’s qualifications but nobody will be checking Bob Gates resume. Instead they will be pumping him for what he thinks about you and the job you have done in Iraq.

Rummy: Exactly. You know the President wasn’t going to select a successor who was either going to cut and run or add hundreds of thousands of new troops but by the Senator’s questions we get to see where they stand. When it comes time to vote on Bob Gates by that time his confirmation will be a referendum on the war. A vote for Bob Gates will be a vote for staying the course. A vote against Bob Gates could be spun as a vote that keeps me in office longer and to many on the left I’m the ultimate bogeyman. Its a lose-lose for any Democratic Senator who plans to run in 2008. And the funny thing is as the hearings are going on just remember that the Democrats practically begged for this

By Paul

November 10, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

N-GA

Great! We’ll be over in five. Vicariously, of course.

My brothers chowed down in the place in Buffalo NY that started it all - Anchor Bar. My plane was late - they left without me. Family loyalty goes down the drain when it comes to wings and beer. Or as we say - “You’re not gonna be there? Great! More for me!”

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this

“I reserve the right to blame the Democrats for every success enjoyed by the jihadists.”

@@— the occupation of Iraq and ongoing civil war is entirely Bush’s legacy, not the Dems. Bush lost this war during the first month of our occupation, when chaos and looting ruled and it was apparent to EVERYONE (especially to the Iraqi people) that Bush had no plan to secure the borders and keep the peace… it’s all gone downhill since then. Such a waste of our troops and our resources! The best that anyone can do at this point (including Daddy Bush’s cabal) is to figure out how to disengage the occupying forces and keep the chaos from getting even worse.

And somehow Dubya and Rummy kept thinking that they could force “democracy” from the barrel of a gun down the throats of the Iraqi people and they’d just thrown flowers at our troops for doing so!

This is your guy’s legacy, not the Dems!

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

Oh, and BTW, @@—

Your guys showed what real losers they were by stating: “Bring ‘em on!” and “Stuff happens!”

May God help America recover from all the damage you and your party have inflicted on us!

By joe

November 10, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

Arriving late but @@ at 2:30 said:

“Bush had a plan, with room for improvement. The American public lacked the patience. It was the enemies strategy and it paid off.”

Give me a break. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld had all claimed victory at some point (mission accompilshed, last throes, etc.). It’s painfully obvious that none of them really understood the task at hand. Further, just recently more evidence regarding war simulations proves they again ignored warnings about troop level requirements and possible outcomes. Look where we are now and look at that report.

Just think about the early days of the invasion. Bush’s approval rating was sky high. Myself and most of the American people were willing to give Bush and Rummy whatever they needed to get the job done.

Wolfowitz dismissed General Shinseki’s estimates of hundreds of billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of troups. What’s the current price tag?

You’ve had a Republican House, Senate and White House. Who’s been stopping them from getting things done?

It wasn’t the Left that voted them out, it was the middle ground that finally stopped believing the crap being spewed by people like yourself in the face of reality.

But what the hell. You keep blaming the “media”, Liberals and the American people for not having the patience.

Tell that to the troops being sent over there two years from now while Bush is riding his bike in Texas.

By Paul

November 10, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

and the very end:

Rummy: Exactly. You know the President wasn’t going to select a successor who was either going to cut and run or add hundreds of thousands of new troops but by the Senator’s questions we get to see where they stand. When it comes time to vote on Bob Gates by that time his confirmation will be a referendum on the war. A vote for Bob Gates will be a vote for staying the course. A vote against Bob Gates could be spun as a vote that keeps me in office longer and to many on the left I’m the ultimate bogeyman. Its a lose-lose for any Democratic Senator who plans to run in 2008. And the funny thing is as the hearings are going on just remember that the Democrats practically begged for this to happen.

I have to say, that american politics may not be the most functional one to follow, but it’s definitely the most entertaining!”

By @@

November 10, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

Paul: I’m in and out (cleaning the pool), but I was wondering if you read Stratfor’s analysis of Gates.

A 2 year placeholder without much time to accomplish anything. From Stratfor:

“The irony is that, instead of leaping ahead by a generation, U.S. forces have now been saddled with the worst of both worlds: an exhausted military that will take years to repair, and limited progress in the modernization that they will likely need a generation from now.”

It’s speculative but not encouraging. Aaannd, I hope it’s wrong.

bon scott: Thanks for responding to a post I addressed to finch. Now, go fight your own personal war.

I’m back outside to enjoy a beautiful day.

By Paul

November 10, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

N-GA at 2:53

My understanding is, when these “nonprogrammed events occur” (especially ones of short duration” the services affected draw from their existing Operations and Maintenance account to fund the op. May cut back on training, supplies, etc. Some even defer payment on utilities, etc. Then when Congress funds the supplemental appropriation the “funds” flow to the service and on to the affected units, who backfill the accounts they’ve borrowed from. So the additional appropriation gets added to the original Defense appropriation, hence reflected in the “on the books” federal budget.

By bon scott

November 10, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

Paul and N-GA,

It’s true that by law, Buffalo wings must be deep fried.

But ixnay on the Pete’s!!! The original recipe for hotwings from the Anchor Bar uses Durkee’s Franks Original Red Hot Cayenne Pepper Sauce.

Accept no substitutes.

Consumption of Genesee Cream Ale with the wings, while traditional, is not reccommended for all but the hard core wing enthusiast.

By getalife

November 10, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

MSNBC LIVE SURVEY: 87% THINK BUSH SHOULD BE IMPEACHED…….

And Cheney too.

Say hello to President Pelosi.

Come on folks, you don’t think the Dems forgot about the gop’s vicious attack on Clinton to get him impeached.

Get real.

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

Good one, Joe, at 3:37… the delusion on the right goes DEEP.

By Rich

November 10, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this

I was waiting for @@ to answer but since he’s gone I’d like to say that Bush is now the dems Clinton.

If Clinton had offed OBL when given the chance, we wouldn’t be talking about Bush.

Man this is gonna be fun.

By getalife

November 10, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, September 2006 Nation Exclusive: Charges Sought Against Rumsfeld Over Prison Abuse A lawsuit in Germany will seek a criminal prosecution of the outgoing Defense Secretary and other U.S. officials for their alleged role in abuses at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo

Seriously, did you think they were going to get away with this crap?

Get real.

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

“If Clinton had offed OBL when given the chance, we wouldn’t be talking about Bush.”

Rich— you need to go back and research where Congress was regarding OBL while President Clinton was in office. “No war for Monica!”

Another legacy of the Regugnant Party.

By Midori

November 10, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

and Rich,

If Bush had not let OBL go at Tora Bora, we wouldn’t still be talking about this still.

Match.

Game.

I’m amazed that you wingnuts are still pushing that debunked “Clinton was offered OBL” meme.

Must suck to live in a fantasy world.

Come into the light, Rich.

it’s all warm and fuzzy.

By Paul

November 10, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

bon scott 3:50:

This was the most informative, well-reasoned and informative discussion in some time. (The one-note wonders have appeared again). There are a couple stores in my area that carry Genny. Sounds like a darn good way to end the week.

Cheers -

By Joe

November 10, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this

Actually I hope the Dems don’t go after Bush too much. What would it accomplish? Payback sure, but it would only begin the cycle that brought us here.

I’m tired of all the partisan crap. I’d like so see the signing statements challenged in court. Just to provide some clarity there. As for the rest, water under the bridge.

The hacks can squawk all they want. The bottom line is the American people aren’t buying it anymore. They want results. Something this Administration has been unable to do.

By bon scott

November 10, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I looked around for the “rantings of a sandmonkey” blog and found it.

http://www.sandmonkey.org/

Very good reading. Not that I completely agree with him. Thanks.

By Clem

November 10, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

Windbag Paul-Just because I don’t post here often doesn’t mean I’m not using my usual screen name. You can always run a search and it was a JOKE. Lighten up Francis!

By Goldie

November 10, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

“it’s all warm and fuzzy.”

Have a great weekend, Everyone!

By Paul

November 10, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

bon scott

Don’t have to agree. Just more knowledge, understanding another point of view. Sometime his reasoning brings new meaning to the word “foreign” (then again, some of this forum’s postings…”). Every so often he posts clips, such as the commentator explaining “Women talk before they engage their minds. Men are silent because they think.” I view those in the same light I do some wackos in our society. But - many come from the state-run tv programs. Just a more complete view of their society.

By Paul

November 10, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

You too, Goldie.

Clem 4:43 Didn’t recognize your name. The tone of the post sounded remarkably similar to one who posts here, changing his name all the while. Given that, it can be difficult to detect homor without some other characters.

BTW - what makes you think it’s “preop?”

“Double your chances for a date on a Saturday night.”

:)

By @@

November 10, 2006 06:13 PM | Link to this

A little Plato for Paul:

“Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.” — Plato

And I didn’t even have to think before Plato said that.

By Paul

November 10, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

@@

And you were being so cordial today -

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2006 06:22 PM | Link to this

Paul,

There are actually either two Clems or one very odd Clem, because when one posts the other usually comes in to gripe about the other one using the name. That “Paul, Paual, Paula” was pretty funny and if I had to guess you’re preop because the “a” hadn’t made it to the other side of the “l” although I guess it could be Darwin at work on you too.

By Paul

November 10, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

RW-(the original)

Yeah, it was pretty funny. Esp. since I’d changed my name on the “Paual” and fatfingered it again.

Darwin at work? Yup, altho I fear the direction is backwards today!

Preview for next week: Germany declares international jurisdiction and seeks criminal prosecution of Sec Rumsfeld once he resigns. Link: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1557842,00.html

Some on this forum will still think “subverting American interests to the greater world good” is a wonderful thing.

Oh, well. Have a fine weekend, RW.

By Chet

November 10, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

Well now. If they’re going to blow up the White House, we as good Christians must pray that Bush is there at that moment.

By @@

November 10, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Cordial? Always Paul. Always. :-)

Well, not always, but almost always.

It’s my curse.

By Willis

November 10, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

You got that right, Chet!

By Paul

November 10, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

@@

One I like is “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.”

I like certainty.

:)

Cheers -

By Rob

November 10, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

Filibuster: You are a simple-minded stench. STFU.

By RW-(the original)

November 10, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Germany declared themselves to have World jurisdiction and have tried this before. I don’t really think they care if someone is in office or not.

They better not get too carried away with their self-importance, because they are tiptoeing up to the line of an overt act of war.

Now there’s a starter for next week…{{{{RW wants to attack Germany!}}}} I can hardly wait.

You have a good weekend too.

By Sal

November 10, 2006 06:52 PM | Link to this

To imagine that Rumsfeld “resigned” is to imagine that Bush has a brain.

By bon scott

November 10, 2006 07:02 PM | Link to this

Donny, Have You Ever Been In a German Prison?

I trust Rummie isn’t losing any sleep over this. I wouldn’t.

Thanks to everyone who voted the Bush GOP out November 7th. We are one step closer to getting our country back.