Mike Luckovich

By George

November 2, 2006 05:43 AM | Link to this

Bush just plain doesn’t get it and I guess it will take a Democratic Congress and Senate to help him see the error of his ways.

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By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

November 2, 2006 06:45 AM | Link to this

We’ll see how many of those pinkos are still laughing come Wednesday.

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Look at the libs in Atlanta:

Republicans must take a look in mirror. The conservatives, led by Rush Limbaugh, are howling in the streets over comments by John Kerry that seemingly question the intelligence of the troops. Both President Bush and his press secretary, Tony Snow, are pounding their fists demanding an apology. I didn’t hear a peep out of them when: > Anne Coulter, in a recent book, made comments about Hillary Clinton’s weight.

I guess when your “news� paper is a rag and your public school system is perpetual idiot factory you wind up with citizens that somehow compare Hillary’s fat a-ss with the soldiers in our military.

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John Kerry’s gift to Republicans is a video clip no amount of campaign funds could have bought.-RealClearPolitics

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Senator Kerry’s comments about uneducated people being “stuck” in Iraq — essentially calling the men and women of the American military stupid — is one of the political blunders of the age. Seldom does a candidate single-handedly sink his party once, let alone twice, though William Jennings Bryan came close. Mr. Kerry may have done so.-NYSun

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“When a man who also happens to have children, in this case sons, is confronted with the scene Webb composed, the reaction is, well, strong,” wrote a naval officer in Virginia in an email to Kathryn Lopez of National Review Online. “The common response I heard this morning is ‘sick son of a b*h.’”-RealClearPolitics

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

November 2, 2006 06:46 AM | Link to this

What throughout the decades of the Cold War was called the Liberal Establishment has been drained of ideas and meaning. It is what historians call an Old Order, a passing Old Order. Its political party, the Democratic Party, has been moribund for years. The party has no policy coherence and no principled leadership. Yesteryear’s disciplined liberal Democrats such as Adlai Stevenson and Hubert Humphrey have been replaced by blunderbusses such as Senator Harry Reid and Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi, who seem to think that a liberal agenda is a temper tantrum and a congressional investigation. That is what they promise if they gain leadership of the Senate and the House, along with tax increases.-AmericanSpectator](http://www.spectator.org/dsparticle.asp?artid=10575)

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Instead of supporting the Clinton plan, which was embraced by 132 House Democrats, Mrs. Pelosi voted for three alternative five-year plans. She supported Maxine Waters’ Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) substitute plan, which would have slashed nominal defense spending by $190 billion and raised taxes by $195 billion. Mrs. Pelosi also voted for George Brown’s substitute resolution, which would have frozen defense spending at 1997 levels (not much different from the plan supported by Mr. Clinton and Democratic and Republican majorities), eliminated the tax cuts and Medicaid reductions and increased discretionary spending on education, training, transportation, science, energy and the environment. She also supported Joseph Kennedy’s substitute plan, which would have eliminated the tax cuts, reduced defense spending and raised non-defense discretionary spending by more than $103 billion. Just this past May, Mrs. Pelosi voted for the CBC substitute budget resolution that called for more than $517 billion in tax increases over the next five years, compared to the resolution supported by the majority.-WashingtonTimes

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

November 2, 2006 06:47 AM | Link to this

She blames the culture of dumbness wrought by liberal professors on campus and encouraged in real life. If the boomers don’t understand the rules of the world where they live, the generation of voters in college today knows even less. The Intercollegiate Studies Institute recently tested 14,000 freshmen and seniors at 50 colleges with 60 questions on American history, government, market economies and U.S. foreign policy. The average “civic literacy” score for seniors was 53.2 percent, for freshman 54.7 percent. Failing grades all. The longer a student attends class, the dumber he gets. Students at the elite schools fared worse than students at some church and land-grant schools. The Ivy League school whose students ranked highest were those at Princeton, at No. 18. Harvard’s students were 25th. The lowest scores were posted at such bastions of higher learning as Cornell, University of California at Berkeley and Johns Hopkins. Go figure, as some unhappy parents will no doubt do.

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Today’s cartoon that doesn’t suck!

By George

November 2, 2006 07:35 AM | Link to this

Andy, you are simply brain dead. That is the only possible explanation.

Indictments, investigations and allegations of wrongdoing have helped put at least 15 Republican House seats in jeopardy, enough to swing control to the Democrats on Tuesday even before the larger issues of war, economic unease and President Bush are invoked.

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

November 2, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

Georgie Girl: You hop in bed with the fake media polls, I’ll let the American democratic system do it’s thing and see how the people vote.

Deal?

By w00t

November 2, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this

Oh Silly Ann, you’re such a loser.

WEST PALM BEACH, Florida (AP) — Conservative columnist Ann Coulter has refused to cooperate in an investigation into whether she voted in the wrong precinct, so the case will probably be turned over to prosecutors, Palm Beach County’s elections chief said Wednesday.

By big wow

November 2, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this

Hey, WE’RE GONNA RAISE YOUR TAXES….don’t you think its time for a new moniker? This one only scares 1% of the people. Why not try something new?

How about WE’RE GONNA LET GAYS MOVE NEXT DOOR TO YOU AND HAVE LOTS OF ABORTIONS?

Or WE’RE GONNA CLOSE THE MEDICARE DONUT HOLE?

Or WE’RE GONNA RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE?

Or WE’RE GONNA BAN LOBBYISTS GIFT AND TRAVEL?

Or WE’RE GONNA TRY SOME CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT AND FIND ALL THAT MONEY MISSING FROM RECONSTRUCTION?

Or WE’RE GONNA SUPPORT OUR TROOPS WITH PROPER EQUIPMENT AND SAFE FOOD?

Heck, I bet some of the other good folks here can help you come up with a few other ideas. Come on guys, help old “WGRYT� scare us…..

By George

November 2, 2006 08:15 AM | Link to this

Fine with me.

The only problem with that is come next Tuesday night you are going to be looking for someone to blame for what the voters did. And of course, it won’t be Bush or the Republicans. Someone else always has to be to blame.

Don’t worry, we are already expecting you to whine and cry about how those libs stole the election.

Republicans are the party of non-responsibility!

By Goldie

November 2, 2006 08:15 AM | Link to this

Tee-hee-hee, Dubya’s such a comedian!

His war-mongering administration has been one long deadly joke.

By Diogenes

November 2, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

Excellent cartoon, Mike. We know that the ability to tell an untruth convincingly is a criterion for political office. Are you implying that telling a joke humorously is now also a criteria?

By sean b

November 2, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this

Conservative bloggers on these boards repeatedly label democrats as loathsome beings intent on destroying the world, as most of the inflammatory rhetoric offered appears to be coming from the brains of Faulknerian halfwits.

I just asked myself, “Why do the conservatives who write on these boards seem to lack any cognitive reasoning to look at multiple sides of any issues?� Away from this forum I encounter conservatives from both parties who are educated, well-spoken and, although I do not subscribe to their passions for social restrictions on human rights, I do feel confident that their beliefs are based upon an intelligent choice to live their lives under their own individual credo.

However, the people who produce such vile and incendiary comments on these boards seem only to have black/white vision of the world around them, without the complication of grey areas that might inspire creative discussion or personal sacrifice to help others in a positive manner. I see very few redeemable qualities that could make me want to engage in conversation with the people who jammer away on these boards espousing their conservative rhetoric as heroes of the free world.

I suspect many of you were poorly educated or have little desire to know much about the world around you. Though woefully sad in my opinion, you have this freedom to be miserable and fill your mind with as much garbage as you please because you are a fellow American. And, albeit unfortunate for those seeking constructive cross party discussion of the issues that burden us collectively as Americans, you express your bevy of ignorant jammerings without much thought how your words will be received and processed by others with the same freedoms shared by all in America.

I believe the difference between the aforementioned dem/rep conservatives and the conservative writers on these boards, is they are most likely at work with good jobs that afford them good things for themselves and their families, while engaging them with responsibilities and higher problem solving. In other words, I believe they are probably working and do not afford themselves the time to wallow in the mire of these rants you pen with rapid succession.

I am on vacation. Are you? If not, get back to work, then redeem yourself through goodwill unto others in your free time.

By Democritus

November 2, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this

In the hands of George W. Bush, “truth” has become so flexible that Rumsfeld is beginning to resemble Charlie McCarthy.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this

Clever cartoon, but right in the Luckovich Formula: no matter what’s going on, find a was to portray it to make Pres Bush look bad.

If he wanted to tie in the White House, he could have had Senator “Where can I get me a hunting license” Kerry with his leg out, pointing a shotgun at his foot, saying “Who needs Cheney?”

I rather liked Ramirez’s cartoon this morning: Sen Kerry at a lectern, word bubbles contain his exact quote, finish with “you get stuck in Iraq” and at the bottom of the cartoon are the words “and if you’re an imbecile you’ll end up a US Senator from Massachusetts.”

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

November 2, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this

By Georgie Girl November 2, 2006 08:15 AM Fine with me. The only problem with that is come next Tuesday night you are going to be looking for someone to blame for what the voters did. And of course, it won’t be Bush or the Republicans. Someone else always has to be to blame.

Look Georgie Girl, you had to get up early this morning so your mind may not be working quite right-

1) Foley resigned, Kerry whined.

2) Rolling Stone- Was the 2004 Election Stolen?

3) Democrats: Court Winners, Election Losers

I’m the Republican Georgie, you’re the lib, remember?

By getalife

November 2, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this

Boner bashed the troops yesterday blaming them and not Rumsfeld.

Lets see the same outrage for Boner.

“House Majority Leader John Boehner’s call for critics to lay off Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld because the generals are responsible for the conduct of the war in Iraq has sparked outrage among Democrats.”

By Paul

November 2, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this

sean b: cut and paste from yesterday at 10:16. Don’t think many will take the bait of liberal elitists who know so much better than the WalMart masses who make up the rest of America. ‘Course, they could always marry a rich ketchup-making widow and improve their station in life. Yawn.

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

November 2, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this

By sean b November 2, 2006 08:25 AM Conservative bloggers on these boards repeatedly label democrats as loathsome beings intent on destroying the world, as most of the inflammatory rhetoric offered appears to be coming from the brains of Faulknerian halfwits

Whining and bawling for 6 paragraphs is somehow supposed to make the lib world a better, less Conservative place?

sean b: I’m successful and able to choose how I spend my time because I’m not a big fat crybaby failure like you are, sitting around mired in negativity about life. And not wanting to censor those that don’t agree with me.

Like you do.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

getalife: That was a good political move on Boehner’s part. By pointing out that the White House has left operations to the military, supporting their requests as they’re made, Boehner attempts to insulate Republican leadership from responsibility (nothing says the leadership can’t come up with their own strategy and get military input - rather as Mr. Baker’s group is doing). By asking critics to address their criticism to those who have much of the responsibility (“the generals”) Boehner is inviting Democrats to — criticize the military (read literally). Ain’t gonna happen after the Kerry fiasco. Amazing how no one followed up with a question to Boehner to the effect of “are you satisfied with the generals’ strategy in the conduct of Iraq operations?”

By getalife

November 2, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Oh, it is okay for Boner to bash the troops because it is political.

Boner should apoligize to the troops.

Don’t be a hypocrite like the rest of the gop.

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

Paul @ 8:33,

You botched the joke <————-almost a cartoon comment which is rare for me.

It’s huntin’ not hunting

getalife,

Good luck trying to spin a comment that says the military makes the war fighting decisions into a controversy.

By Goldie

November 2, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this

“Clever cartoon, but right in the Luckovich Formula: no matter what’s going on, find a was to portray it to make Pres Bush look bad.”

Wrong, Paul— Dubya is the only one who makes Dubya look bad and Americans no longer even pay attention to what he says these days! That’s how bad Dubya is — and a sad, sorry state for America to be in now.

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this

“I am convinced a volunteer army would be an army of the poor and the black and the brown,” Kerry wrote. “We must not repeat the travesty of the inequities present during Vietnam. I also fear having a professional army that views the perpetuation of war crimes as simply ‘doing its job.’-John Kerry

That sort of explains why he now says the troops are terrorizing kids and children and uh er err uh women in the dead of night.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

Sean B,

Since you think you’re so much smarter than we conservatives (evidenced in part by your belief that we are too stupid to notice that you posted the same boring manifesto yesterday) perhaps you can help me out with something.

Can you find the actual “apology” in this non-apology apology statement from John Kerry?

{{I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform, and I personally apologize to any service member, family member, or American who was offended.}}

Thanks in advance smart boy.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

Oh, I see RW.

The gop can bash the troops.

W can joke about the missing WMD’s but a Dem can’t joke about w.

Mmmmmm.

I see hypocrites with no shame.

I guess you think it is okay to abandon a soldier because Al Sadr said to leave.

I guess it okay for Bectel to leave but the troops must stay and die.

Lets get real here.

The gop and their supporters do not support the troops.

They bash them.

By Goldie

November 2, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

Gen. Wesley Clark speaks the truth:

“In such a forbidding public dialogue, is it any wonder that John Kerry’s blunder is being used to distract us? But how frightening and sad for America if we let this continue. How much easier to attack personalities and resurrect stereotypes than to deal with the grim realities of the Administration’s national security predicament! The truth is that America’s armed forces are badly overcommitted, the situation in Iraq has deteriorated beyond the ability of our best generals and bravest troops to correct, Afghanistan is sliding into a long-term insurgency which spells failure for the minimalist US commitment there, and both North Korea and Iran are ratcheting tensions. For a political party that fancies itself as the national security party, their cup runneth over with problems, many of their own making.”

By Paul

November 2, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

getalife: I was not advocating anything. I was pointing out the strategy. It was a bit obvious, but it was effective. As for Boehner’s exposure - well, unless it was from a press release, reporters need to be a bit quicker on the uptake.

To address your central comment: I do not accept that an honest critique of tactics or strategy, when accompanied by recommendations, is “bashing the troops.” By that logic the military bashes itself - Army just finished a review of Iraq and is instituting changes to its doctrine on urban warfare in a political environment.

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

Find a smear of the military, and behind it stands a Democrat.

Would one of you worldly left wingers explain why all the lefties in that link are saying Kerry was right about the military being a bunch of uneducated mercenaries? I thought it was supposedly a botched joke about the President and that the purple heart hunter would never say an unkind word about the troops.

sean b,

Maybe that would be a good task for you so that you would have something different to say, although this time you’ll have to try to come up with your own words.

By Dusty

November 2, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

Diogenes,

An excellent cartoon? You need to keep looking for an honest man ‘cause you’re not one yourself.

This cartoon is so stale and repetitious, that I can only ask “So what’s new?”

Obviously there is nothing new with Luckovich. Same ol’ stuff, day after day. Seems he’s never even heard of Kerry. WHO???

By getalife

November 2, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

I saw it on CNN live Paul.

CNN is still spinning the Kerry comment. It is corporate news at its finest.

Boner owes the troops an apology.

W owes the troops an aplology for the stupid WMD joke.

Just to be fair and balanced.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

Wolf did say that Rumsfeld is in charge but Boner repeated the bash on the generals.

Boner owes the troops an apology.

Where is your outrage hypocrites?

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Who knows if that non-apology was even from Kerry? He couldn’t get in front of a camera fast enough when he wanted to say he wouldn’t apologize and when he supposedly does it’s a note on a web site.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

Ah, the Dems are demanding an apology for Boner’s bashing the troops.

He should do it now.

By Political Foreskin

November 2, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

George Bush, whose missing records of National Guard duty rosters and everyday normal paper trails runs concurrent with the national guard massacre at Kent State in Ohio, where soldiers used diebold dum dum shells on baby boomers armed with flower power.

It would be just like W to pull a stunt like that. I do not trust George Bush. He may have overshot his hand with Kerry. People are now judging W’s spin about what Kerry said, and measuring how many standard deviations from the truth is falls…..and I’m thinking he missed by his 35 percent polling numbers. He’s buried himself deeper. Maybe if he had been 100 percent honest in his reply to Kerry, there could be some way to salvage the GOP’s prospects…….

By Political Foreskin

November 2, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

Man Rule: If even one person blogs more than five times per day then the terrorists win.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

getalife:

As I said, I think some generals deserve some hard questioning. At the risk of sounding likd a broken record (or the CD/MP3 equivalent), that was the source of much of the friction between Rumsfeld and senior military leadership. He questioned them. Hard. They were used to being listened to - no questioned.

One of the most telling illustrations was during the first couple of years. Rumsfeld’s style was to question, question, question. Probe for weaknesses in the argument and look for more options. After the second callback on the same topic one general remarked to the effect “I can’t figure out what answer he wants.”

That was amazing. Years of conditioning by the Clinton civilian leadership left the politically-tuned general officer corps looking for the answer the civilians wanted to hear. Along comes Rumsfeld and they couldn’t adapt. One reason General Schoomaker was brought out of retirement and made Chief of Staff of the Army.

By Shawny

November 2, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

Lucko formula: Bash Bush, lather, rinse, repeat.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. How about something original and interesting…

Here is a better cartoon that doesn’t suck, and sums up “Jon Carey’s” true feelings: http://www.townhall.com/funnies/cartoonist/PaulNowak/2006/11/1

By Goldie

November 2, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

HA HA HA— here’s a funny joke:

Former Rep. Mark Foley, who resigned over sexually explicit messages sent to male congressional pages, is remaining in treatment for alcoholism beyond his initial 30-day stay, his attorney said Wednesday

The Repugnants certainly don’t want him in front of any news cameras before Nov. 7th — now that’s funny!

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

RW,

Good point. And if this non-apology apology does not go over too well he can blame it on the person who wrote it!

Moving back into Kerry’s evolving beliefs, maybe Sean B can translate this nuanced statement -

“Equally as important, a volunteer army with our present constitutional crisis takes accountability away from the president and put the people further from control over military activities,” he wrote.

Assuming just for arguments sake that anything about that statement makes sense, and ignoring the irrelevant constitutional crisis hypothesis, it seems to me that if this theory were true then his “joke” would make even less sense.

Sean B - We breathlessly await your words of wisdom^^^^^

By Political Foreskin

November 2, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

Cartoon idea: Show W as the 15th shooter at Kent State, and then show him starting this decade long war in Iraq……like some ageless fiend stalking destiny…….

A big announcement about Iraq may get leaked before the elections. We’ve made some sort of deal with the Elected Shia who interface directly with that weird bearded Shia guy.

I think the war is over, at least any effect we could possibly have on it. I mean we elected them, or they elected them. Either way, we’ve been voted out. They used the very constitution we helped them draw.

Imagine that.

By tiffany

November 2, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

Mike, I have never seen anything so funny. Sitting at my desk laughing like heck. Besides anyone with an ounce of brain know what John Kerry said is a non-issue. The republicans will run to the finish line with it. But they won’t win with it. So everyone please don’t forget to vote, this Kerry comment is nothing compared to what this administration is doing to this country and our troops. Besides he said he meant no disrespect to our troops or our country, he was only calling out Bush, Rumsfield, and Cheney on their failed Iraq war. And I agree with him, this administration is the worst in the history of this country.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

Goldie at 9:31

Would the Wesley Clark speaking the truth be the same General Clark who (gasp) bombed civilians in Kosovo? Who led a military force into a foreign county over the objections of our allies? (No!). Who, day after day, caused American soldiers to die in a country that was no threat to the US?

See what happens when you use the same rhetoric and just change the names? Makes blogging easy!

By bon scott

November 2, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

Leave it to neocons to go nucular… I mean nuclear over a mangled joke. They’re counting on it to distract voters from more pressing issues:

While the media is obsessed parsing the ad libs of someone on no ballot this fall, something truly ominous has just happened in Iraq. The commander-in-chief has abandoned an American soldier to the tender mercies of a Shiite militia.

The soldier’s abduction is being ignored by the White House and the Pentagon. Kerry’s flub is sooo much more important.

The U.S. military does not have a tradition of abandoning its own soldiers to foreign militias, or of taking orders from foreign governments. No commander-in-chief who actually walks the walk, rather than swaggering the swagger, would acquiesce to such a thing.

The US checkpoints around Sadr City were more than an effort to find a missing American. They were an effort to find a top Iraqi psycho. Shhhhh! The Kerry obsessed wingnuts don’t want you to know!

The crackdown on Sadr City had a second motive, U.S. officers said: the search for Abu Deraa, a man considered one of the most notorious death squad leaders. The soldier and Abu Deraa both were believed by the U.S. military to be in Sadr City.

But a few words from Iraqi PM al-Maliki and POOF! The search for one of our own is suspended.

I guess Bush thinks the highly motivated, well trained Iraqi Army can handle all this.

Highly motivated? Well trained? Bad joke. Sorry.

TOPEKA, Kan. — Iraqi soldiers being trained by American military advisers go on rampages, flee from dangerous situations and waste ammunition in undisciplined bursts of fire at any provocation, according to an account in a U.S. Army journal.

Vote the Bush GOP clowns out November 7th. They don’t have a clue.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

They are showing Foley in a movie hugging a child.

It is disgusting stuff.

I find it amazing that the voters think the gop can protect them after they can’t protect their pages in their own house.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

Paul,

General Clark won his war.

Repect him and stop bashing the military like Boner.

You should apoligize.

By Shawny

November 2, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

Tiffany,

OF COURSE he said he meant no disrespect to the troops. What else would he follow up with?!? Anything else and he would have been hanged.

And I really believe he meant no disrespect (insert sarcasm here), just like he meant no disrespect when he returned from ‘Nam and made all those vicious comments about the troops, and just like he meant no disrespect when he recently said that our troops were routinely assassinating civilian women and children in the dead of night (paraphrased - no time to look up the original quote).

So, I really believe him, don’t you?

By Goldie

November 2, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

“Who, day after day, caused American soldiers to die in a country that was no threat to the US?”

Paul, you ignorant slut— do your research and tell us exactly how many Americans died in Kosovo?

By Paul

November 2, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

I just checked the front pages of the New York Times and the Washington Post, two paragons of fair and balance reporting without a liberal bias. I found headlines on Foley, GOP Scandals, Rumsfeld. But not one reference to the Sen Kerry debacle. Oh, I get it. These two papers whose editors know best are letting us know it’s a “story” not worth mentioning.

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

An Iraq war vet, David Bellavia on Fox, just said Kerry leaving a note on his web site is like breaking up with your girlfriend on voice mail.

How true….

By AJC a joke

November 2, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

Obviously Mike can’t bring himself to criticize Kerry’s freudian slip. Seems the AJC’s editiorial pages are only reserved manufacture GOP criticism. Pretty soon the AJC circulation will only deliver to CNN’s and Al-Jeezera’s offices. This, of course, is redundant since they get their talking points from those orgs anyway. Keep up the work AJC!

By Goldie

November 2, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

Paul— a link to help with your education about Gen. Clark… you and your trolls need to apologize for disrespecting our troops who have served with the NATO forces in the Balkans:

In his final military command, General Clark commanded Operation Allied Force, NATO’s first major combat action, which saved 1.5 million Albanians from ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, and he was responsible for the peacekeeping operation in Bosnia

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Possibly not safe for work:

Finally there is ironclad proof that Darwin was right, well sort of….

By Political Foreskin

November 2, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

Please keep blogging about Kerry, it’s not hurting us anymore. Any spin has a half-lifecycle of maybe three days, it’s too early to peak and you’re starting to make people assess accurately how much they despise W. He has never said one word about Iraq that matched any reality on the ground in iraq. Ever. Not a lick ‘o sense. Not one. Ever.

He cant even articulate a mission, and never has been able to that matched any reality on the ground in Iraq…Ever. Not one.

Where are those missing roster duty paper trails? Where was Bush? Bush Senior must know. Barbara Bush must know. They would have had close contact with their hero son.

By Goldie

November 2, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

Paul, just for you… I suppose, in your small mind, Gen. Clark is also horrible for training American troops to win in the Persian Gulf War, too?

During the Persian Gulf War, Clark served as Commander of the Army National Training Center, in charge of arranging the 1st Cavalry Division’s three emergency deployments to Kuwait during Operation Desert Storm

By bon scott

November 2, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

Paul - I don’t know what versions of the NYTimes you read, but on the print versions I have, the Kerry joke story is on page one of both yesterday’s and today’s editions.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

getalife 10:16 Every use of US military forces, whether unilaterally or as part of a larger (NATO) operation does not constitute a “war.” The NATO objectives were quite limited and not that big a challenge (BTW - we still have forces deployed there).

Saying the inital planning for Iraq did not take full advantage of technological advances in weaponry, command and control, special ops forces or the tactics designed to exploit the advantages they offered. Those are some of the reasons Rumsfeld told the planners to have another go. That is not criticism nor is an apology even in question.

By tiffany

November 2, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

Shawny, I was not in Nam, nor have I served in Iraq and i’m willing to bet you did’nt serve either. So how can you or I comment on what happened regarding our troops their. I was commenting on this particular story which is “fact”. I believe it was a joke gone wrong, nothing to get into a hissy fit about. I have nothing but love and respect for our troops, at night I never put my head to pillow without saying a prayer for each and every one of them. I think it is wonderful the way they serve our country, they make us all proud, they are the bravest and best young men and women in the world. You and the republicans can not keep running that lie about democrats not caring about our soldiers, it’s just not working anymore. Beside, who sent them to war undermanned and without the proper equipment.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

Goldie at 10:19 “Tell us how many Americans died” We’ve been over this before. Military counts casualties that occur in the theater of operations even if not the result of combat operations, as those casualties would not have occurred absent the operation. Besides which, frequency of casualties is not really a valid issue in determining mission appropriateness.

Your point seems to be that American military intervention is justified if no American casualties occurred (I could be cutesy and say “what about the civilians around Kosovo? So it’s okay for them to die if no Americans die?”). Other problem with that line of reasoning is, if American casualty level is the main issue - hypothetically we intervene in Somalia/Dharfur to “stop the suffering.” You’re setting up the situation of “we’ll stay until one soldier gets hurt. Wait, I mean, killed. No, not one. Four. Four’s okay. But people are still suffering. Can another American die? Okay, five it is.”

See where it takes you?

Slut? I’ve also heard people resort to namecalling when they can’t formulate a coherent argument. Is that true?

By getalife

November 2, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

” This isn’t an election anymore, it’s an intervention “

“This isn’t an election anymore, it’s an intervention,” conservative Andrew Sullivan said on CNN, as noted by AmericaBlog.

Hey AmericaBlog,

The intervention is for Andy.

Andy,

If you do not accept help today, you are banned from blogging forever.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

RW at 10:27 Isn’t his web site where Kerry said he had his plan for Iraq? I could never find it.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

Face it Paul,

General Clark is a war hero.

Stop bashing him.

Apoligize.

By Shawny

November 2, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

Tiff…I think there is some confusion here. First of all, Mikey’s toon is a joke about a joke (alledgedly), and which joke is better. I get it. It says that Bush is the real joke, and I understand the lib Bush haters and how they pile on.

Kerry did not tell a joke, no matter how you slice it. “You and the repubs…lie about dems not caring”. Ever hear me say that? Nope. I don’t think that Kerry doesn’t care about them. He was one of them, and yes, I was not. So what. But I GUARANTEE you this…If I was one of them, NO WAY would I say the things about them that he has.

I work in an office with folks less honorable than the troops, and I wouldn’t even say those kind of things (like Kerry said) about my co-workers. So get off your high horse. You don’t know what you are talking about!

A lot of bad things went on in ‘Nam, I am sure, and as you pointed out, neither you nor I saw them first hand. But to bash them as JK did is disgusting and disrespectful, no matter how you slice it.

Posters bringing up Kerry’s remarks are not out of line with today’s toon, it is about jokes, you see.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

bon,

Paul is just another neonut hypocrite bashing the troops.

He should apoligize but they have no shame.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

Goldie at 10:32 Sorry, don’t buy it. Colonel David Hackworth (US Army, ret) died last year. He was the highest decorated living soldier. He was founder of “Soldiers for the Truth” and you can still find his writings at sftt.org. He was a huge critic of senior officers who put their careers ahead of the troops’ welfare. His term was “Perfumed Princes.” General Clark was one of his frequently-occurring targets.

I know it’s easy to do a quick Google and pick out random writings to “support” a position. It also may seem like a good idea to shout “don’t bash the troops” because it was effective (?) for Republicans. It isn’t. It’s intellectually lacking. Nothing personal. Just an observation on ineffective tactics.

Diogenes, is your lamp lit?

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 2, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

By AJC a joke November 2, 2006 10:31 AM Pretty soon the AJC circulation will only deliver to CNN’s and Al-Jeezera’s offices. This, of course, is redundant since they get their talking points from those orgs anyway. Keep up the work AJC!

Well, actually, the Atlanta Urinal is a Treason Times parrot/clone, and yes, some day they will be swallowed up by the Times but nobody will be able to tell the difference.

Funny thing is, after they sustain another major league as-s whooping at the polls on Tuesday, the Urinal will drop the vicious, mindless hatred of the right for a few months, their stories will all be full of sweetness and light, and they will be telling everyone “see, we’re nothing but a bunch of moderate centrists.”

At least until the 2008 campaign begins.

By Shawny

November 2, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

G.I. joke on Kerry here:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11022006/img/front110206.jpg

By Paul

November 2, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

bon scott at 10:43 It was online. Glad to hear they’re covering it in the print version. Not for much longer, though, I hope. Amazing how it’s used as a jumping-off point for ten years of history. Ditto for Pres Bush and the Air Guard. Last night I heard Tony Snow say “I do not think Sen Kerry meant to insult the military.” Then he went on with a few observations about the political climate. Well, until something better comes along…

By getalife

November 2, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

“Christian Defense Coalition: Many evangelicals ‘feel used, taken for granted’ by GOP”

Used and abused like a political whore.

Where is your outrage?

By bon scott

November 2, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this

getalife,

Let the hysterical minority vent. Keeps them off the streets, away from the phones and out of trouble. I don’t see them changing any minds with this drivel. The criminal incompetence of the Iraq policy will remain the top issue.

The wingnuts raving over Kerry remind me of watching a really bad magician. He keeps trying to distract you, but fails miserably.

BTW, Paul seems to have put some thought into his posts. At least he’s not another drunken parrot here. Since I’m feeling magnanimous at the moment, I won’t mention any names.

By @@

November 2, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

Dang ml, why is Bush on stage when everybody knows it was John Kerry who dropped his drawers?

You and Senator Kerry have obviously bought into the political correctness crap…..

DEFINITION: POLITICAL CORRECTNESS

“A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to PICK UP A TURD BY THE CLEAN END.”

Did Kerry ask you to clean up after him?

Are you wearing rubber gloves today?

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 2, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

You know, I brought up an excellent point at 11:01, why does cartoon boy feel the need to call himself a “centrist” even though we all know he’s a full blown deranged left wing feminist.

Is there something wrong with being a pinko?

Huh, huh?

By getalife

November 2, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

bon,

I can’t believe Paul would bash a great American General who actually won a war.

It is as bad as RW bashing the great American Mr.Murtha.

Shameless. They should apologize.

Check out Foley in this movie

Sick, sick, sick.

By rushncap

November 2, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

Ah yes, let the exhumation continue.

John Kerry really should shut the hell up. He’s completely unappealing, and everyone knows it. Now the Republicans have been given a lifeline. For weeks they’ve had nothing to talk about except their record, which is the worst possible thing for them to talk about. Suddenly Kerry has given them a way to avoid talking about it. If the Republicans run on ideas or record, they get destroyed. But Kerry has managed to allow them to make this an election about him again, even though he’s not even running. Doesn’t the guy get the point?

By getalife

November 2, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

“Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere,” Bush joked. “Nope, no weapons over there … maybe under here?” (Bush pokes fun at himself at dinner)

Where is your outrage?

W should apoligize to the troops today.

By tiffany

November 2, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

Shawny, the same way you have the right to post your comments on this blog, freedom of speech right. What gives you the right to say that any Nam vet Kerry, JK or any one who served don’t have the same right as you. “Shame on you”. As for me being a Bush hater, wrong again. I have respect for our president, I may disagree with his policies and actions, but hell I disagree with people in my own family. And I would never hate any of them. Have a nice day. And any more comments address them to “Gone” because that’s what I am. You are a fellow American and talikng to you on this post is not going to change your mind and neither are you going to change mine. “So Peace Out”.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 2, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

When Mark Foley resigned from Congress in disgrace five weeks ago, his Democratic challenger seemed headed for one of the easiest victories of the election season. But in this least predictable of states, Joe Negron, the Republican choice to run as Mr. Foley’s replacement, is getting powerful help as the clock runs down, and now appears to be running almost neck and neck with Tim Mahoney, the Democrat.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

getalife at 11:23

When General Clark retired from active duty and entered political life he made himself a valid subject for discussion - both critical and praise.

By Jay not jay

November 2, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

A better cartoon for today would be titled “Democrat Big Dogs”

It would show Dean walking 2 dogs, each on a leash. One of the dogs (a poodle with Kerry’s face) has gotten his leash twisted around a flag pole so many times he’s hanging himself. The other dog, (Pelosi as herself) is trying to pull Dean along but has on a muzzle and a choke chain.

In Dean’s speech bubble he mutters, “Dam-n, I knew we should have never taken the stupid poodle out before Nov.7.”

By AntiRadical

November 2, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

It is interesting to see how Rep talking points surface on this blog. The latest drumbeat is their claim that Dems have no plan to solve the quagmire in Iraq.

Unfortunately for Reps, implicit in this campaign stance is the unspoken statement that their approach in Iraq has been an abject failure and that they now wish to place the responsibility on Dems to offer a plan to fix their many miscalculations.

I have heard Dems offer many opinions as individual candidates and the DNC has even posted “Real Security”-The Democratic Plan to Protect America and Restore Our Leadership in the World, March ‘06 as a party wide stance but the Reps continue to claim that Dems have offered no plans of their own; the DNC link would indicate that Reps are being deceptive.

What if the problems in Iraq (and most other Muslim countries) turn out to be unsolvable at this time in history and no matter what approach is employed, Iraq continues to spiral further into fractuous hatred of America? Should we then still leave Reps in office simply because Dems are unable to instantaneously clean up this monumental, possibly unrecoverable, mess that the Reps have left our country with?

At least with Dems, we will have a new approach. The President’s intractability and continued support of Cheney/Rumsfeld, as evidenced by his press release yesterday, proves that this administration is intent on “staying the course”, regardless of the rhetoric that they use, or the outcomes that stance produces.

Since Reps are asking “What plans do the Dems have to fix the mess in Iraq”, it is contingent upon us, the American voter, to ask Reps, “Since you are now admitting failure, what different approach do you now have to insure that this time you will succeed?”

Sadly, I do not have time to dialogue in an interactive manner any longer (I work predominately during blog hours) but I will check for responses tommorrow and respond in kind as my schedule permits. I would be interested to see a meaningful dissection of the DNC link I provided as I have not had the time to read it carefully myself.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

Tiffany,

This “botched joke” is not an isolated incident, or something that can be swept under the rug like it doesn’t matter.

John Kerry wanted to be our Commander in Chief. Despite everything we already knew about John Kerry’s slander of our military, Democrats nominated someone who was unfit for command to run for that office. They bear responsibility for this choice and it is entirely fair and proper to question the character and decision-making of that Party.

I might add that the Democrat Party has so much disdain for the intelligence of the American people that they think they can get away with a sleight of hand in which they call all the military men who served with him and exposed his treachery, “Swift-boating liars”, and would have us believe the folly that John Kerry is the only one telling the truth.

In addition to praying for our courageous and brilliant troops, I give thanks to God that John Kerry was not elected. I remain ever-vigilant in my prayers.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

We’re Gonna at 11:18 I don’t believe Mr. L has ever defined himself as a centrist. He speaks quite openly of his liberal views. Here’s a quote from an Oct 04 discussion at the John F Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum. He’s quite up-front. The entire discussion was extremely interesting (what he does, how and why he does it). It’s here: Link: http://www.jfklibrary.org/NR/rdonlyres/4BD8B260-BF46-4C45-9C33-0BA787B38E55/26410/TheArtofPoliticalCartoons.pdf

“Here’s the thing that we’re struggling… At least I’m not struggling with it but my paper is struggling with it. It’s a liberal editorial page butthe population is fairly conservative, fairly Republican in Georgia, as you may know. And so my cartoons sometimes generate a lot of controversy. And right now with this election and the polarization in this country, people are so P-O-ed in general. And my paper has not said a darn word to me about my cartoons. And there are times I’m really so mad at Bush that I could do a cartoon every single day knocking him. And sometimes I almost have. But they haven’t said anything to me, but I know that they are feeling some heat. And I know that the publisher is fairly conservative. And so, on the one hand I’m cognizant of what’s going on. But I really respect my paper for not telling me I can’t do anything. But I keep thinking it might be coming.”

By RE

November 2, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

Don’t worry about Andy, it is the fear that is making him so mouthy today.

He knows what is coming on Wednesday.

Speaker Pelosi

By March the impeachment of Cheney and Bush begins. She becomes president by July. Maybe with Vice President Hillary Clinton.

Then what happens, you will notice his absence sometime next fall. This filthy animal will get disappeared for his terroristic threats. Not that you need evidence anymore.

Get ready to do the “gitmo gargle”, don’t worry though, the United States does not torture. Enjoy your last year of freedom.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 2, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Nailed!:

James Baldwin wryly defined a liberal as “someone who thinks he knows more about your experience than you do.� To that, we can add, “and who thinks, because of his superior knowledge, he should be making your decisions for you.� While one might suppose this would be offensive to the ordinary herd, liberals have included a stepladder in their construct, allowing lesser folks to climb up to their level (or at least to a level just under where the decisions are made). If you agree with them, you’re a smartie, too! In fact, if you base your agreement on nothing more than your feelings of superiority, you’re even smarter and more superior, because you know “The Truth� without the mundane bother of having to reason it out. Democrats have been playing to this too-common weakness by promoting the charge that Bush is stupid.

By @@

November 2, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

AntiR: I had your link up yesterday and was trying to read it. After the first pdf page, it’s all upside down.

Is there a solution other than standing on my head to read it?

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 2, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

By AntiRadical November 2, 2006 11:38 AM It is interesting to see how Rep talking points surface on this blog. The latest drumbeat is their claim that Dems have no plan to solve the quagmire in Iraq.

Hey, have you been hanging around with that Mark Karr over there in Thailand?

Or did you have to book because of the military coup?

By Paul

November 2, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

AntiRadical (or whomever the pseudonym is) at 11:38

Please scan over yesterday’s posts, same subject. I do not understand: you wrote you “have heard Dems offer many opinions as individual candidates.” That is not a united plaform. You cited Real Security - which has an extremely short Iraq section and nothing specific - in some ways its a copy of what the Administration’s doing. Not something I would want to hang my hat on for a “new proposal.”

I’m interested to hear what the Baker working group recommends - and how the Administration reacts when some items it finds unpalatable come to the fore. Not saying those recommendations will be rejected. They may be embraced. What’ll people find to complain about then? Here’s one: Pres Bush waited four years too long to ask Mr. Baker to help get him out of this mess!!! How’s that?

By Shawny

November 2, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

Clueless “Gone”, aka Tiffany…

That is stupid. Of course they have the same right as me (and you) to speak. Kerry had every right to say the things he did when he came back from ‘Nam. I support his right to say it. I support my right to call him dispicable for saying what he did about them too. Freedom of speech is a beautiful thing. Just as I support your freedom of speech to disagree with me, but please get your facts correct before doing so.

Lighten up sista.

BTW…I am not a Bush supporter….or a Republican, but prefer to look at all issues independantly, though I generally swing conservatively. Bush and Congress have made a lot of mistakes this year: 1- did not shore up social security 2- did not fix illegal immigration 3- spent $$$$$ like it was going out of style 4- did not toss out the IRS (no-brainer) 5- tried to fight terror like surgeons, instead of opening up a can of whoop-A. Though the reason they are doing it this way is so that libs don’t cry too much about unintended kills.

Personally, I think loss of the houses of Congress might be a good thing, because after Pelosi and Co ran the show for a while, voters would really wise up and it would be 1994 all over again. Then after re-taking the houses, maybe the 2006 losers would get back to acting like Reagan conservatives (without the guest worker, amnesty)

By rushncap

November 2, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

Danish, Bush is even less fit for command, yet he’s still there. Double standard, dontcha think? At least Kerry knows what it’s like to be a soldier. All Bush knows is how nice it is to have political connections in order to avoid being a soldier.

By @@

November 2, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

Nevermind AntiR, I rotated it. Duh!!!

Maybe it was a distress signal, like an upside-down American flag used by liberal protesters.

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

Paul,

That’s the way luckovich described himself when he first opened this blog, although I think he said moderate. His description of himself was that he was just an everyday guy with a completely fair and balanced look at the issues. I’m not sure if it’s still in the archives because it looks like they are dropping everything over a year old.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

RE,

Is your 11:42 an illustration of that famous standard of “civility” we are meant to follow?

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 2, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

By RE November 2, 2006 11:42 AM Then what happens, you will notice his absence sometime next fall. This filthy animal will get disappeared for his terroristic threats. Not that you need evidence anymore.

I can just imagine the stupid moron buzzing in your ears with thoughts of me kicking your a-ss up and down the street probably caused you to wish harm on my person.

Or was it your mental illness?

Or is there even a difference.

These effing POS are willing to fight anyone but our country’s enemies.

F them.

By @@

November 2, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

I’m waiting for the Baker group as well. The thing which impressed me most is that recommendations are being withheld until after November.

Bush has no intentions of using it for party promotion in the elections.

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

@@,

You could turn your monitor over. :-)

Don’t bother with the second half. It’s just the same drivel repeated in Spanish, unless you prefer your drivel in Spanish. In that case you can ignore the English version.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

Shawny,

You may want to read RE’s botched joke at 11:42 before you entertain the idea that Pelosi running the show temporarily would be a good thing.

These Libs have nothing short of revenge in mind, and the target of their bloodlust is not Al Qaeda.

How long do you think it would take an empowered enemy to launch a succesful attack against a weakened opponent?

By getalife

November 2, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

This is what W thinks about the Constitution:

“I don’t give a g*******,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a g******* piece of paper!”

I’ve heard from two White House sources who claim they heard from others present in the meeting that the President of the United States called the Constitution “a g******* piece of paper.”

This is the biggest red flag in history. No, he is not joking.

By RE

November 2, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

You are an enemy of the state if the president decides you are. It all depends on the president at the time, there is no review or oversite. Enjoy you last year of freedom

By Goldie

November 2, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

Step away from that bad Kool-Aid! Who are these people still clinging to their failed dictator?

The poll found that just 29 percent of Americans approve of the way President Bush is managing the war in Iraq, matching the lowest mark of his presidency. Nearly 70 percent of Americans said Mr. Bush did not have a plan to end the war, and an overwhelming 80 percent said Mr. Bush’s latest effort to rally public support for the conflict amounted to a change in language but not policy

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 2, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

Look at this weak minded psychotic sh-it:

By RE November 2, 2006 11:42 AM Then what happens, you will notice his absence sometime next fall. This filthy animal will get disappeared for his terroristic threats. Not that you need evidence anymore. Get ready to do the “gitmo gargle�, don’t worry though, the United States does not torture. Enjoy your last year of freedom.

These mofo’s have lost it. They take this sh-it seriously. You talk politics and they get all beady eyed, foaming rage, vein bursting blinding ignorant.

And stalk your a-ss too.

WTF???

If we could focus this much anger on Al Qaeda they’d leave us the F alone.

By rushncap

November 2, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

The Baker report being witheld IS political fodder. And, of course, it’s helping the Repubs. After all, it’s already pretty common knowledge that the report is fairly truthful, which means it’s bad bad bad news for the White House. Why withold the report? If it’s the truth, don’t you figure the American people have a right to know it before they make their choice on election day? I’m kinda thinking that maybe people deserve to be informed. Of course that would totally destroy your party, @@, but you’d think that people would value reality more than partisanship. But, hey, welcome to the new, improved Republican Party.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

If W thinks the Constitution is just a piece of paper, don’t you think there should be checks and balance?

How about some accountabilty for this lunitic who said God told him to kill?

Insane in the membrane!

By Abe

November 2, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

A proven warrior puts the wrong accent on one sentence of his speech and all the mouthy, cowardly never-serveds puke forth their self-hatreds. The rancid masses speak again.

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

I’d love to see you go tell a National Guard unit they don’t have what it takes to be real soldiers.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

Does Pulitzer Patriot Seymour Hersh blog here? The bloviating turn of phrase, “King George II”, stood out, as do other hackneyed efforts.

Here he is, on Canadian soil, pulling a John Ffing Kerry.

Sybil Bon Scott will call it a “gaffe” from a “fringe” Democrat who does not represent the mainstream of you valiant patriots.

I disagree, in advance.

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

RE is a moonbat so he gets to set rules that only apply to others. Don’t you know the drill by now?

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Your 12:04 seems to missing a link. You should immediately apologize to the blog for your botched post.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

Goldie at 12:05

The “25% to 30%” number comes up regularly in any national poll. Even after his resignation about a quarter of those polled thought Nixon was a really swell guy. About a quarter never thought Vietnam was a lost cause and would be won if we bombed more. Can’t substantiate it - saw a reference where about a fourth of those interviewed thought Pres Bush orchestrated 9-11 (that one, in my mind, crosses the line from moronic to despicable).

Just an observation about numbers and opinions.

By RE

November 2, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Nice try RW, but setting rules that only apply to others has been the mission of this administration for the last 5 years. We have a Unitary Executive branch, but will you enjoy it as much when someone else is in power

By Goldie

November 2, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

“I know it’s easy to do a quick Google and pick out random writings to “supportâ€? a position. It also may seem like a good idea to shout “don’t bash the troopsâ€? because it was effective (?) for Republicans. It isn’t. It’s intellectually lacking. Nothing personal. Just an observation on ineffective tactics.”

Paul— as opposed to your tactics? Which is to sling out insults against the troops without having done ANY research to your assertions? You’re just downright disgusting.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish: I read that this morning. I was struck by this line:

“there has never been an [American] army as violent and murderous as our army has been in Iraq.â€?

and this:

I don’t know if he’s in Iraq because God told him to, because his father didn’t do it, or because it’s the next step in his 12-step Alcoholics Anonymous program,� he said.

Sad - used to be a respected journalist, still is by some. His actions regarding My Lai took courage. Now he sounds like any other far-Left hyperpartisan.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

RW,

Oh, I am sorry you do not know how to use “the google”.

Here

Pick one, apoligize for not knowing “the google” and supporting the lunatic w.

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

RE,

That’s just a bonehead talking point. There has always been a power struggle between the branches of Government and there have always been checks and balances. Nothing has changed in the least.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

RE (REal Fascist),

Thanks for making it very clear who you think the enemy is, and what you plan to do with US if you were to regain power.

rushncap (pitiful propagandist),

This is what George Bush thinks of our military.

Quite a contrast with Slandering John Kerry, no? Who do you think the military prefer?

By Paul

November 2, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

Goldie at 12:28 My remarks on “the troops” were directed at Gen Clark (retired and active in political life) and certain staff officers who showed less creative than required in the initial planning for the Iraq operation. Army has since substantiated that and incorporated “lessons learned” into its planning.

Oh - and a few who didn’t quickly adapt from the “Clinton” (by that I mean the SecDefs) regime of tell me what I want to hear (cite: Commandant of Marine Corps who said he didn’t think it was a good idea for first-term enlisted to be married, then quickly backed down when the Administration started taking heat). Or the retired general officers who did not take an honorable course and resign if they felt the Administration was taking a hugely wrong course - but who stayed on to get their next “star” - then retired and had book deals or tv appearances and found their voices as they began their criticism of the Administration and its policies.

Not “bash the troops” - no insults - but an honest assessment (my take) on actions of some general officers.

By Shawny

November 2, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

Clueless “Gone”, aka Tiffany…

That is stupid. Of course they have the same right as me (and you) to speak. Kerry had every right to say the things he did when he came back from ‘Nam. I support his right to say it. I support my right to call him dispicable for saying what he did about them too. Freedom of speech is a beautiful thing. Just as I support your freedom of speech to disagree with me, but please get your facts correct before doing so.

Lighten up sista.

BTW…I am not a Bush supporter….or a Republican, but prefer to look at all issues independantly, though I generally swing conservatively. Bush and Congress have made a lot of mistakes this year: 1- did not shore up social security 2- did not fix illegal immigration 3- spent $$$$$ like it was going out of style 4- did not toss out the IRS (no-brainer) 5- tried to fight terror like surgeons, instead of opening up a can of whoop-A. Though the reason they are doing it this way is so that libs don’t cry too much about unintended kills.

Personally, I think loss of the houses of Congress might be a good thing, because after Pelosi and Co ran the show for a while, voters would really wise up and it would be 1994 all over again. Then after re-taking the houses, maybe the 2006 losers would get back to acting like Reagan conservatives (without the guest worker, amnesty)

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I only used a teaser and didn’t post the worst part of it because I wanted the moonbats to actually open the page. I thought “King George II” would please them.

I wish I could be confident that Hersh is just a rare kook without power, and laugh it off as age-addled delusions. Sadly these are the “intellectual elites” who drive policy for the Democrat Party - of which I used to be a member.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

Ware: “When you walk on an Iraqi street today. When you go down any avenue here in Baghdad, the most dominant feeling. The most gripping emotion amongst people is fear and that feeling is legitimate”

“Of course we can’t talk about the carnage that is Iraq, because we got more important things to do - like go after John Kerry for a botched joke. It’s really nice to see a White House with it’s priorities straight ”.

Good joke eh?

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

getalife,

I apologize that you misunderstood my remark. “credible” was implied so I guess you could say I botched my post and I apologize that you lacked the smarts to know that.

/hey these Kerry style “apologies” are fun

Now if you wouldn’t mind please provide a credible link or admit that you are spreading false information.

By bon scott

November 2, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

I had no idea Seymour Hirsch was on the ballot.

In fact, after extensive research, I’ve discovered that he has never held or even been a candidate for elective office.

He does have his critics. About his writing and reporting.

But what does that have to do with the price of eggs? Or the Democratic Party? Or the November 7th election, when you should all vote to throw the Bush GOP out?

He’s just a guy who articulates strong feelings. Rather well, it would seem, judging by your distaste for him.

Earth calling wingnuts… earth calling wingnuts… come in wingnuts….

By Shawny

November 2, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

Here is what really gets me about Kerry’s blabbering….

All these “news” sources are reporting that he apologized for his remarks. Get this, he said that he is sorry if anyone “misinterpreted his comments”.

Think about that a minute. What he is saying is that he is sorry that you the listener did not get his message. He is sorry that you don’t get it. Not that he is sorry for what he said. Not that he is sorry and admits that what he said is wrong, only that you misinterpreted it incorrectly. That isn’t issuing an apology.

I appreciate his first ammendment right to free speech. I actually wish he would keep on inserting foot in mouth. But I’ll bet that the dem leaders will revoke his rights and gag him like Nancy and Hillary. Heard anything from them lately? Bet you don’t until Wed.

By RE

November 2, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

RW,

The Supreme Court has stated that in a time of war, the executive branch must be defered to above other branches. The war on terror will not end. The president will have all the war powers afforded to the office for as long as he deems there is a war, that counts for both domestic and foriegn matters. It is up to whoever is in office at the time to decide how to use those powers, and it will not be GWB for much longer

By Midori

November 2, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

[andrew sullivan and christopher hitchens has it right: Bush is deranged.(http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2006/11/fantasticjobr.html)

Yet, the wingnuts keep yelling for the Dems to come up with a plan to clean up THEIR mess.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

N-GA - if you’re online now -

Yesterday we discussed if Hollywood types - writers, directors, producers, actors, actresses - as a group were “liberal.” While I’m generally reluctant to identify some positions as “liberal” or “conservative” here’s an example I’ll call “liberal Hollywood.”

I know, it’s a single example, but I’ll use it to illustrate a point.

Watched the last episode of The Unit (special ops group that engages in “black” missions). Subplot was wives restored a 1943 Jeep to raffle in a fundraiser. Found a letter in the Jeep, never delivered, from a medic (killed in Battle of the Bulge) to his wife - a “Dear Midge - if I should never see you and hold you again” letter. Wives located the wife (never remarried) and the other medic and had them attend the ceremony. Both in their 80s, medic in wheelchair. Letter was read in its entirety - letter was handed to wife, who looked confused. Guy in wheelchair (wearing his WWII uniform) looks over, reaches for the letter and says “I’m Midge.”

The point? Another example of “hey gays are people too and they’re everywhere and really nice and…” Strikes me as writers with an agenda who use the media to (subtly) advocate causes - even in a show like The Unit. Guess they gotta “change the minds” of all those right-wing evangelical Christian militarists, right (sarcasm - and no, Goldie, I’m not “bashing the troops” - gay or otherwise).

By Midori

November 2, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

Let’s try this again:

andrew sullivan and christopher hitchens has it right: Bush is deranged.](http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2006/11/fantasticjobr.html)

Yet, the wingnuts keep yelling for the Dems to come up with a plan to clean up THEIR mess.

By Jenn

November 2, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

Well, if they want the majority, I guess they should have a plan, huh? That would make sense….

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

RE,

War powers belonging to the executive branch is pretty well spelled out in the Constitution. Pass a Congressional resolution redefining the enemy if you want.

See how nice it is to have three coequal branches?

By Midori

November 2, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

one more time for posperity:

andrew sullivan and christopher hitchens have it right: Bush is deranged.

Yet, the wingnuts keep yelling for the Dems to come up with a plan to clean up THEIR mess.

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

Wasn’t it Midori that said Andy must have been drunk the other day when he had trouble with a link?

By RE

November 2, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

RW, what enemy has been defined? As near as I can figure it, it is the concept of terrorism

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

Sybil Bon Idiot,

Like RW says, “I apologize that you misunderstood my remark.”

Did anyone even imply that Seymour Hersh is running for office? He’s just one of the “intelligentsia” - you know - like Karl Marx, Charles Darwin and others whose theories the Dems hold sacred.

By Jenn

November 2, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

well, she is named after a melon liquor

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

RW,

She is having some difficulty spelling today too, or is “Posperity” the fate of POS Presidential Candidates like John Kerry?

By rushncap

November 2, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

Paul: so what you are saying is that you object to artists having a point of view in their art. Well, sorry, but what makes art appealing to begin with is that the artists have a point, have an opinion, have an agenda they are trying to get across to the outside world. This has been true since the begining of human race. After all, we consider the Sistine Chapel to be great, even though it’s obviously pro-Christian, and, specifically, pro-Catholic propoganda. In fact, art has been exceedingly pro-religious for centuries. But now, suddenly, a gay medic offends you? Yes, the episode writers have an agenda. And you know what, good for them! If they have a gay friend, or many gay friends and they witnessed discrimination against them, they have a moral imperative to do something about that. You can’t have art without passion, and you can’t have passion without opinion. You are only offended because their opinions conflict with yours.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

Midori,

After all that effort, your 1:19 link did not work. I guess you’re going for broke today.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

RW,

There are many links in that link.

I am sorry you do not find the truth credible and the truth does have a liberal bias because the cons lie.

Lets try this one from kos

Good for you RW. I knew there was hope for you.

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

RE,

Then define it. sheesh…and you guys want to be in control?

Control the Congress with what? Spitballs? (to paraphrase a great American Democrat)

Midori,

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that now that we have blue text there is really a story there somewhere, although my browser says there isn’t. If it has anything to do with the comment about asking Democrats for a plan, try this:

Democrat candidate: We have a better way, they don’t have a plan, but we have a plan.

Skeptical voter: Oh good, what is your plan?

Democrat candidate: You damn Republicans have no right to ask that!

Hi Jenn,

It’s been quite a while, good to “see” you.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

Could this 10/30 column from Christopher Hitchens be Midori’s missing link?

Just look at the report in the Oct. 30 New York Times about the kidnapping of an Iraqi-American Army interpreter in the (still) relatively civilized Baghdad neighborhood of Karada. A few days earlier, according to the residents who tried with bare hands to stop the abduction, the same gang had been whipping teenage boys with cables for the crime of wearing shorts. (It is always useful to know what is on the minds of the pious.) A Sunday Washington Post headline referred to the “tipping point” in the erosion of congressional support for the Iraq intervention. Well, the “tipping point” between the grim status quo in Karada and its full-scale Talibanization is rather more acute. And does anyone want to argue that a Talibanized Iraq would not require our attention down the road if we left it behind us?

…But all demands for an evacuation are based on the fantasy that there is a distinction between “over there” and “over here.” In a world-scale confrontation with jihadism, this distinction is idle and false. It also involves callously forgetting the people who would be the first victims but who would not by any means be the last ones.

Thanks Midori!

By Huge

November 2, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

I demand an apology from every politican who ever trashed ____ ! (fill in the blank). Even if they never trashed them!

That tiffany chick rocks!

Shawny, I generally agree with that third paragraph in your 11:54 except for: “Though the reason they are doing it this way is so that libs don’t cry too much about unintended kills.”

If your assertion is that only libs don’t want excessively large numbers (tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands?) of innocent women, old men and children killed is true, I am excedingly glad I’m not a neo-con and terribly ashamed of those who think that idea is a good one.

Your last paragraph: “Personally, I think loss of the houses of Congress might be a good thing, because after Pelosi and Co ran the show for a while, voters would really wise up and it would be 1994 all over again.”

I agree that the neo-cons losing control of congress would be better than the status quo. And your point about another 1994 happening sometime in the future is valid. But it might just be another 40 years of the gop on the outside looking in, if they don’t get their act together.

By Goldie

November 2, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

Gosh, I don’t remember Condi Rice having to apologize for blaming American troops for making “tactical errors” — maybe I missed that apology? When did she ever apologize for the biggest strategic disaster she helped to occur in American military history? Quite a legacy she and Dubya will always have in our history…

In response to a question at one point, Ms. Rice acknowledged that the Bush administration had made “tactical errors, a thousand of them, I am sure” in Iraq and perhaps elsewhere. She was speaking figuratively, her spokesman said later

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

getalife,

The kos story proves that Bush said the Constitution was a gd piece of parer, how?

Scary link when it starts with a conversion by RW though.

By @@

November 2, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Now exactly how many times has Kerry visited the troops in Iraq?

COMICS CONFRONT DANGER TO KEEP TROOPS LAUGHING

And what was the last thing Irwin says John J/K Stupid Kerry?

Irwin asks his audience to remember that, no matter what people think of the war, the troops are coming home from it all the time.

“And when they do come home …” he adds, his voice catching, “PLEASE, BE NICE TO THEM.”

Too late, you blew it.

RW: Why would I want to lift a heavy object like the monitor? It’s so much easier to just flip the mouse pad.

And here I thought YOU were the technology genius. Nada?

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

or even a gd piece of paper for that matter.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

rushncap:

So predictable - and off the mark. Your comments about artists having an “agenda” are, I think, correctly defensible. It’s the rest that’s off the mark.

If you’d taken the time to read the discussion N-GA and I had you would have found (as I also recapped in the post) the topic was whether or not Hollywood writers, etc. were more or less liberal as a group and whether or not their position was used to advocate social or other causes.

It was not “should they” or “is the cause good or bad” as I read from your response. That had nothing to do with it. I trust you see the distinction.

General question - why do so many - I’m assuming you’re from a “liberal” viewpoint on this issue” - infer disagreement with a pet cause in any discussion that peripherally touches on it, then state “well you obviously think so and so and that’s why you are (fill in the blank)? I believe We’re Gonna answered that at 11:43

By Jenn

November 2, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

RW, Missed y’all too :-) I’ve been busy giving birth and taking care of my newest family member, which I might add is not government assisted.

By Huge

November 2, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Re your 1:30. Well said.

I personally gave up on mainstream, prime time TV about 35 years ago and am ill qualified to speak much about it.

But I can guess that if these horrible liberal progams are popular and persist, it is because a lot of people are watching them. Just a hunch.

That’s why sometimes I LMAO when I hear the more rabid and hypocritical of the neo-cons blather about the social ills CAUSED by Hollywood, blah, blah, blah. They protest vehemently that they hate it so, but are apparently supporting them in droves by watching those TV shows and going to those types of movies!

Or in the case of O’Reilly and Ms. Cheney, writing those kinds of books!

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

When everybody points to 1994 do they realize there was another factor at play that had very little to do with dissatisfaction with Clinton or a strong embrace of the Contract with America?

That was the last year that a Congressperson could step down and keep all the campaign money they had collected for their personal enrichment. Because of that a bunch of Democrats stepped down to cash in.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

RW,

I am sorry, I thought that was you.

“George W. Bush is the one who literally referred to the Constitution as “just a G-dd*mn piece of paper” some months ago.

In short, Wilson anticipates that starting November 8th (or more likely in January, when the new Congress takes office), the United States will very likely have not one, but several Constitutional crisis’ occur. This view was backed by Jim Marcinkowski, himself a former FBI and CIA agent (and Valerie Plames’ classmate, thus his connection with Wilson).

I prefaced my question by admitting that I might be going into tinfoil hat territory. Unfortunately, Wilson stated that at this point, under this administration “there is no tinfoil anymore.” Again, this view was backed by Marcinkowski.

Nixon still had the military but did not use it. W will use it, he is worse than Nixon. I told you it is very dangerous to have a President with no credibilty and no accountability. There is nothing he will not do to stay in power.

By rushncap

November 2, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

Paul, I’m sorry, I really very rarely have the time to follow threads on a message board that does not even organize them in that way. So I apologize if my post was off the mark in some way.

Is Hollywood more liberal than the average population? Of course! Artists are ALWAYS more liberal than the general population. They are always pushing boundaries, inventing new styles, new techniques, exploring new areas, finding new experiences. That’s pretty much the definition of an artist: if you do what others have done for years, you’re useless. It comes with the territory, basically. As for li’l andy’s 11:43 post, it’s just as dumb as every other post he’s had here. He answered nothing, he merely reduced a somewhat complex issue to a one-liner that can be fed to anyone with an IQ between 65 and 85.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

Contract with America?

Lol. Hahahahaha.

What a joke that was!

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

Paul,

This post from rushncap reveals his Red Diaper baby background, which incorporates a universal tenet that everything that man creates must have an “agenda” behind it, and religious art is not a manifestation of the divine spark of mankind, but beautiful “propaganda”. Without an agenda it lacks “appeal”.

but what makes art appealing to begin with is that the artists have a point, have an opinion, have an agenda they are trying to get across to the outside world. This has been true since the begining of human race. After all, we consider the Sistine Chapel to be great, even though it’s obviously pro-Christian, and, specifically, pro-Catholic propoganda.

Perhaps he can explain the political meaning of the Lescaux cave paintings, Da Vinci’s “Mona Lisa”, Monet’s “Waterlilies”, or Cezanne’s “Mount St. Victoire”.

Enlighten me, oh Rushncap!

By big wow

November 2, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

Question: When is it okay to run a political ad with images of the flag-draped coffins of soldiers? Answer: When you’re a Republican. Back in July, the National Republican Congressional Committee held a press conference to denounce its Dem counterpart, the DCCC, for running a web ad showing such coffin imagery. Many other senior Republicans, including House majority leader John Boehner, condemned the ad, and it was a raging controversy for days until the DCCC pulled it. But guess what: Now there are not one, but two Republican ads which show an image of flag-draped coffins — and one of them has been paid for by, yep, the NRCC.

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

Jenn,

Congratulations! You might not want to expose the new little one to this place too soon though.

getalife,

Don’t you find it just a touch remarkable that George W. Bush said that and you can’t find one single credible source to confirm it?

By @@

November 2, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

rushncap: I would never insult you by implying that you’re stupid, but the Bipartisan Iraq Commission was established to look at alternative strategies in Iraq. It’s a bipartisan effort and was supported by George Bush.

Not to report what is already known.

rushncap, you’re always makin’ hay with your “nay” while @@ awaits a brand new day.

Grumpy!!!!!

By getalife

November 2, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

Boner refused to apologize

Where is your outrage?

He was not joking!

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

What a revelation at 2:00! The cave painters, Da Vinci, and Michelangelo were “Liberals”!

Too bad for Rushncap they can’t vote in this election.

By Jenn

November 2, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

RW, Thanks, We’ll be fine, I’ll bring her up just fine and dandy, and with the truth! LOL

By Paul

November 2, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

rushncap

No apology necessary - but thanks anyway. By “off the mark” I did not mean wrong - meant it wasn’t in the vicinity of the point (okay, the “so predictable” comment was snarky. I apologize -)

Your second paragraph was right on the mark - and quite logical. I’ll use it in the future (excuse me if I don’t provide atribution) as it’s a good explanation. Seems obvious now.

By Peoples for a Nuked Amerika' Century

November 2, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

RW — Buy Danish - Andy!

I have seen the light!

Bush is a hero and savior of the world! He has been sent by god! (God told him so) to destroy the heretics in the holy land.

By making them go into a civil war they will kill each other and reduce the world population, which in turn will reduce global warming, and leave the oils of life for us to use to continue Gods work in bringing our faith to every heathen of the world.

Our Brave troops are doing their duty over there wearing their targets so they can be shot at. Thus we and our great leaders of industry can stockpile our money and resources for the day when we will need to come together for the ascension.

They are there to be killed in glorious battle to protect our precious lifestyle of peace and prosperity and wealth so that we can sleep safely each night knowing that our cars and corporations shall prosper. Their sacrifice will be recognized on some monument in the future.

After all, these wariors of the light and their families knowingly have voted for the prophet Dubya’ and willingly sacrifice their lives. They have chosen to be the sacrificial lambs and will continue to vote for this glorious war and lay down their lives. They have no reservations about the great progress and success in our misions worldwide. The outcome is inevitible that the heathens will be slain and buried beneath our heels.

So vote for the Republicans so we can continue the slaughter of the heathens, and so our soldiers can sacrifice their lives as living targets so we can sup at thyne Exxon table and our cars tanks runneth over with prosperity forever.

Amen!

By rushncap

November 2, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Huge, I agree. Artists love their art, but they also need to get paid for it. People who pay them couldn’t care less about artistic statements, and only care that they make money. Obviously they are making money. So people are watching. And while some “conservative” shows (like, say Seventh Heaven) have been around for a while, none of them are particularly big money-makers. For all their supposed “family values” and “conservatism” Americans, like all humans before them, enjoy the basics: sex, violence, the unexpected, and the new and uncharted. To expect those who created this art (and yes, it’s art, though it’s a matter of opinion as to how good this art it) to be overwhelmingly conservative is bordering on lunacy.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Here is your truth

Sick as Andy!

By Jenn

November 2, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

Ooops, that was a joke, I guess I should apologize now….

By getalife

November 2, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

RW,

I gave you the link with many links. Click them all, there are many.

I am sorry the gop does not pay you enough to research so I will try to help you. I can’t help your soul, you sold that to the gop (the devil, if you will).

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

November 2, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

By Peoples for a Nuked Amerika’ Century November 2, 2006 02:18 PM protect our precious lifestyle of peace and prosperity and wealth so that we can sleep safely each night knowing that our cars and corporations shall prosper.

Versus what, numbnuts, being an inmate in a slave labor camp?

Are you liberals in some kind of collective meltdown here?

You people aren’t going to strap on the suicide belts come Wednesday, are you?

By Jenn

November 2, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

getalife, you should do just that…. You should broaden your horizons, watch some FNN. CNN sucks.

By rushncap

November 2, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

Yes, Danish, cave painters, Da Vinci and Michelangelo were most likely “liberal”. Not by OUR standards, by theirs. Hell, Michelangelo was most likely gay (there is a decent amount of evidence to suggest that). In fact, Michelangelo and Da Vinci were the 2 figures at the forefront of the Renaissance, and obviously and proudly liberal, progressive movement, which sought to lessen the power of the church and to replace dogma and blind religion with reason and science. Thanks for confirming my point, Danish.

@@, I’m all giddy about this “Bipartisan Commission”. I’m sure so are the families of the 101 American soldiers who died just in the past month, along with the families of thousands of Iraqis who suffered a similar fate. But hey! a comission. That’s… that’s something. Maybe in a few months they’ll come up with a resolution. If we’re lucky that resolution will call for a fomation of a more thorough comission to investigate the situation.

But call me crazy, @@, maybe, just maybe, these commissions and all this idiocy should have been formed BEFORE we decided to invade, no?

By Paul

November 2, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish at 2:05

I took his comments as pretty much restricted to the Hollywood crowd. I have artists in my extended family - and to some of them “liberal” is not a complimentary term. So I guess it depends on the “type” of art(ist).

By Midori

November 2, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

FNN is for idiots.

period.

Studies have been done on it. Google is your friend.

CNN isn’t far behind; however, they do manage to put on a facade of journalism, unlike FNN.

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

getalife,

This is the third day in a row that one of you fool liberals has made some whack job comment and then said that backing it up was the responsibility of the reader.

We will just have to go forward with the assumption that everything you, or anyone else that does that, isn’t telling the truth. A whole bunch of nut job blogs that repeat the same rumor are NOT proof.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

Jenn,

They all suk. They owned by Corporations and all have failed to tell the truth.

CNN spun Kerry’s joke for three days but will not cover this outrage

By Paul

November 2, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish at 2:02

Well, since we seem to have detoured to art(ist) history, one could make the case that Michelangelo was quite the Lib - had a habit of challenging the Pope and others of the religious hierarchy (who were also political leaders). He was also quite the homosexual sexist. Liked younger men. Not that I’m equating “liberal” with “gay” (whew, just stopped about 20 flames there) but it was another example of how he conducted himself against the conservative status quo.

Hmmmm. Wonder how a talented, well known (male) gay sexist would be received by the Left today? As opposed to a female gay sexist, which is quite acceptable.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

RW,

Did you click on all the links.

I am sorry you are a liar like the gop.

By N-GA

November 2, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Just checked the blog and saw your post. I didn’t see that show, but certainly get your point. That being said, you see the flip side on virtually every episode of “24”, right down to “Jack” shooting the wife of a traitor who won’t tell him what he wants to know.

But it really boils down to money, doesn’t it? The money people “producers” generally decide what the public ultimately sees. Writers can write all day long, but their stories won’t get on film (or disk) unless someone is willing to take a chance and pay to produce it. And those people are in this business for the money, right? So they produce what the public wants to see, at least that’s what usually happens.

All that to say that IMO Hollywood has a liberal bias…but their target market is the American audience.

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

November 2, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

Damn, I agree with Midori.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

Rushncap at 2:32

“In fact, Michelangelo and Da Vinci were the 2 figures at the forefront of the Renaissance, and obviously and proudly liberal, progressive movement, which sought to lessen the power of the church and to replace dogma and blind religion with reason and science.”

So, can we say Islamic jihadists, their imams and sypmathizers are, oh, 600 or more years behind the Judeo/Christian/Agnostic/Wiccan/et al West in their intellectual and moral development?

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

November 2, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

ROVE: I take him at his word when he insulted America’s fighting forces. This is a habit that he’s had over the years. He did it when he came back from Vietnam and there’s no way that an individual looking at what he said, which is available on the Internet. Go on and look at yourself. Any American can. This guy was insulting America’s troops by suggesting that if you were stupid you went to Iraq.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

N-GA

And, I’m surprised/amused by some self-identified quite liberal friends and family who watch “24” (which I enjoy) and cheer on Jack Bauer.

Your second paragraph - Money and power. Most things can be reduced to money and power.

By RE

November 2, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

try CNN international for news. It is much less exciting, no screaming matches, but will give a better look at what is going on in the world from an unbiased perspective.

No missing blond girl stories.

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Your search returns 5,900,000 hits. Do you think you might want to refine that just a tad?

By rushncap

November 2, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

Paul, I would not put a year figure, but yes, I would argue that Islamic jihadists are well behind the West (by which I mean progressive West) in terms of their ideologies. Of course they are quite proud of that, after all, they probably hate liberals and progressives a touch more than even neo-cons.

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

November 2, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

Sure, some Democrats — such as Sen. Joe Lieberman, who is now running as an independent — criticize the Bushies because they want U.S. troops to prevail, but there is a snarky element on the left that is flat out rooting for failure. I get e-mails that demonstrate this all the time. An American soldier dies, and they crow, “We told you so.” Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly nailed that dirty little secret when he appeared on David Letterman’s show last Friday. O’Reilly asked Letterman, “Do you want the United States to win in Iraq?” Letterman mumbled that he wanted Americans to stop dying and stability in Iraq, but he could not simply answer yes.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

Your right RW.

For three days you have been lying about Kerry’s comment. It was not about the troops and you know it.

Boner bashes the troops and you say nothing even after he refused to apologize.

What a hypocrite.

By Jenn

November 2, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

But FNN is “fair and balanced”…. Oh, another joke I need to apologize for.
You know, all politicians are crooks anyway, whether you are Dem or Repub. We just need to vote for the lesser of the two evils. That’s so sad….

By George

November 2, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

After President Meets Reporters, Sullivan — Once a Bush Backer — Now Suggests He May Have ‘Lost His Mind’

NEW YORK In a move that no doubt sent a shiver through several candidates in his own party, President Bush, in a special interview with wire service reporters in the White House, today guaranteed a job for his Pentagon chief for two more years, adding that both Donald Rumsfeld and Vice President Cheney “are doing fantastic jobs and I strongly support them.”

But it wasn’t only endangered Republicans who have been calling for Rumsfeld’s ouster who may have blanched. Andrew Sullivan, the conservative writer who was once a key media supporter for the Iraq war, denounced the latest Bush statement on CNN on Wednesday night, stating that the president is so delusional, “This is not an election anymore, it’s an intervention.”

Sullivan said the president was “so in denial,” comparing the Rumsfeld endorsement to applauding the job FEMA’s Michael Brown did on Katrina: “It’s unhinged. It suggests this man has lost his mind. No one objectively could look at the way this war has been conducted, whether you were for it, as I was, or against it, and say that it has been done well. It’s a disaster.

“For him to say it’s a fantastic job suggests the president has lost it, I’m sorry, there’s no other way to say it…..These people must be held accountable.” He added that today, Richard Perle, a leading neocon and Iraq war backer, had today called the administration “dysfunctional.”

Rep. John Boehner, the second-ranking Republican in the House, said, also on CNN: “Let’s not blame what’s happening in Iraq on Rumsfeld. But the fact is, the generals on the ground are in charge, and he works closely with them and the president.”

By Midori

November 2, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this

Bush hit “creepy low” distorting Kerry’s words in Swiftboat replay

As President Bush throws himself into the final days of a particularly nasty campaign season, he’s settled into a familiar pattern of ugly behavior. Since he can’t defend the real world created by his policies and his decisions, Mr. Bush is inventing a fantasy world in which to campaign on phony issues against fake enemies.

In Mr. Bush’s world, America is making real progress in Iraq. In the real world, as Michael Gordon reported in yesterday’s Times, the index that generals use to track developments shows an inexorable slide toward chaos. In Mr. Bush’s world, his administration is marching arm in arm with Iraqi officials committed to democracy and to staving off civil war. In the real world, the prime minister of Iraq orders the removal of American checkpoints in Baghdad and abets the sectarian militias that are slicing and dicing their country.

In Mr. Bush’s world, there are only two kinds of Americans: those who are against terrorism, and those who somehow are all right with it. Some Americans want to win in Iraq and some don’t. There are Americans who support the troops and Americans who don’t support the troops. And at the root of it all is the hideously damaging fantasy that there is a gulf between Americans who love their country and those who question his leadership.

Mr. Bush has been pushing these divisive themes all over the nation, offering up the ludicrous notion the other day that if Democrats manage to control even one house of Congress, America will lose and the terrorists will win. But he hit a particularly creepy low when he decided to distort a lame joke lamely delivered by Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. Mr. Kerry warned college students that the punishment for not learning your lessons was to “get stuck in Iraq.â€? In context, it was obviously an attempt to disparage Mr. Bush’s intelligence. That’s impolitic and impolite, but it’s not as bad as Mr. Bush’s response. Knowing full well what Mr. Kerry meant, the president and his team cried out that the senator was disparaging the troops. It was a depressing replay of the way the Bush campaign Swift-boated Americans in 2004 into believing that Mr. Kerry, who went to war, was a coward and Mr. Bush, who stayed home, was a hero…

By Paul

November 2, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

rushncap

You’re spot on. I think what makes it so difficult for many in the West to comprehend is those characteristics we celebrate - tolerance, equality, diversity, freedom to be left alone, think what you want, within limits, do what you want - are anathema to the jihadists. The “if they just get to know us” mantra does not work. Some of their most virulent, intolerant leaders are those who have spent time in the West and despise what they saw.

Their all-to-serious solution is to torture and kill those who do not live their lifestyle. It has nothing to do with oil. It has something to do with freedom - not democracy - but the freedom to live your own life. Ties back to the earlier discussion of those who were struggling with the concept of “how can you be at war with an ideology?”

By N-GA

November 2, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

Letterman should have looked O’Reilly straight in the eye and asked him: “Bill, do you still sexually harass your staff?”

Do you want the United States to win in Iraq? What a stupid question in disguise. Maybe we should locate Lt. William Calley and ask him would he do the same thing in My Lai if he could do it all over again. Or ask Lynndie England if she thinks her actions have helped contribute to our military success in Iraq. Or ask GWB if he felt that working on an Alabama politician’s political campaign was more important than fulfilling his military obligation (taxpayers spent over a million dollars for his flight training).

By Jenn

November 2, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

I guess Kerry didn’t study hard or make good grades, because he ended up in ‘Nam. Wonder how he would have felt if someone on Capitol Hill would have said that while he was over there…. All of our troops over there now volunteered for the military, just as he did. There is no draft right now.

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

November 2, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Smack down!

By getalife November 2, 2006 08:28 AM Jim, I am not surprised you did not address the number one issue with Condi, Iraq. Figures, you should retire.

By Jim Wooten November 2, 2006 08:39 AM getalife, I’m surprised that Georgia hasn’t done a better job addressing its number one education issue — passing children out of third grade who are unable to read. The Secretary did address Iraq and questions raised by a number of contributors to this blog and I expect to discuss her comments Sunday.

gitmolife: Does it still sting?

By Paul

November 2, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this

Jenn

You’ll likely enjoy Ramirez’s Nov 1 cartoon here (Topic: why Kerry ended up as a Senator from Massachusetts):

Link: http://www.investors.com/editorial/cartoon.asp

It’s a rich topic - he’s already posted tomorrow’s cartoon, same subject.

By rushncap

November 2, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

I agree, Paul. This certainly is the down side of religious fanaticism. At its most basic, at its roots religion is about control. It’s about “us vs. them” mentality. In the West (and in the East, actually) that uncompromising attitude has been softened by a few centuries of progressivism and creeping secularism. Religion has become softer, less categorical, less exclusionary, less violent. But over the past few decades we’ve seen a resurgence in fundamentalism in the Middle East. I’m not expert enough to discuss intelligently why this is the case, but unfortunately it is. And just because they “vote” does not mean anything’s changed.

By Goldie

November 2, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

Garrison Keillor has a good take on why creativity thrives in California (and probably not so much in a Bible-belt state):

People who want to take a swing at San Francisco should think twice. Yes, the Irish coffee at Fisherman’s Wharf is overpriced, and the bus tour of Haight-Ashbury is disappointing (where are the hippies?), but the Bay Area is the cradle of the computer and software industry, which continues to create jobs for our children. The iPod was not developed by Baptists in Waco. There may be a reason for this. Creative people thrive in a climate of openness and tolerance, since some great ideas start out sounding ridiculous. Creativity is a key to economic progress. Authoritarianism is stifling. I don’t believe that Mr. Hewlett and Mr. Packard were gay, but what’s important is: In San Francisco, it doesn’t matter so much. When the cultural Sturmbannfuhrers try to marshal everyone into straight lines, it has consequences for the economic future of this country.

By Jenn

November 2, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

Paul, Thank You! I heard about that cartoon and the one from yesterday too! What a jerk he is. He must not have studied hard, because if he had something else written down for his speech, he should have READ it! Then it wouldn’t have been “taken out of context”

By bon scott

November 2, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

By Danish - November 2, 2006 01:26 PM - Did anyone even imply that Seymour Hersh is running for office? He’s just one of the “intelligentsia� - you know - like Karl Marx, Charles Darwin and others whose theories the Dems hold sacred.

Paranoid rubbish.

You “implied” that the “Dems” march to Seymour Hirsch’s drumbeat. Gag me. He’s not the father of the party platform, any more than Ann Coulter symbolizes the official core of the GOP.

Easy answer to the “Do you want us to win in Iraq?” question is….. define winning.

To which a neocon will answer, “when the US leaves Iraq as a stable democratic country.”

And I’ll respond, “No…. seriously! I’d like to be out by the end of the century!”

Vote the Bush GOP out November 7th. They have absolutely no idea what they’re doing.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

bon scott:

Tony Blair’s a neocon?

By Midori

November 2, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

Michael Ramirez was fired from the LA Times.

He should have stayed in obsurity, now I see the wingnuts keep posting that tripe on this blog.

His cartoons are nothing more than childish drawings that run the wingnuts wild.

No wonder he was let go.

Wonder how many Pulitzers he has won?

By Shawny

November 2, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

Ok, lets stay true to the spirit of the cartoon. It is all about jokes. So, here is my favorite from today. It is about history and how the ideals of conservatism and liberalism arose. Unlike Kerry, I will preface this with, “The following is humor…a joke…please do not be offended…it contains elements …oh, forget it, here it goes”.

Humans existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters and gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in winter.

The 2 most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into 2 distinct subgroups: Liberals and Conservatives. Once beer was discovered it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early human ancestors were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery.

That’s how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as “the Conservative movement.”

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q’s and doing the sewing, fetching and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement. Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as ‘girliemen.’ Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy and group hugs and the concept of democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.

Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.

Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare. Another interesting revolutionary side note about liberals: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than

By Cindy

November 2, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

I knew the neocons would be riding high about Kerry’s gaffe. Actually, had he followed the script he was right on! Lazy intelligence gets us into Iraq. The bush administration has proven that.

By Shawny

November 2, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

Ok, lets stay true to the spirit of the cartoon. It is all about jokes. So, here is my favorite from today. It is about history and how the ideals of conservatism and liberalism arose. Unlike Kerry, I will preface this with, “The following is humor…a joke…please do not be offended…it contains elements …oh, forget it, here it goes”.

Humans existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunters and gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in winter.

The 2 most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into 2 distinct subgroups: Liberals and Conservatives. Once beer was discovered it required grain and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so while our early human ancestors were sitting around waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the brewery.

That’s how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as “the Conservative movement.”

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q’s and doing the sewing, fetching and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement. Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as ‘girliemen.’ Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the invention of group therapy and group hugs and the concept of democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.

Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.

Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare. Another interesting revolutionary side note about liberals: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than

By Jenn

November 2, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

Shawny, You are hilarious! LOL

By Shawny

November 2, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

CRAP! Joke got cut off. Here is the rest:

Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn’t “fair” to make the pitcher also bat. Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, Marines, athletes and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to “govern” the producers and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America.

They crept in after the Wild West was tame and created a business of trying to get MORE for nothing.

Here ends today’s lesson in world history:

By getalife

November 2, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

At least Jack Cafferty is talking about Boner bashing the troops.

Andy,

It must of stung Jim, he answered back. That idiot wants another Bush in the White House.

He hates America but I cut him some slack since he is Mike’s friend.

Now, about your intervention…….

By Paul

November 2, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

Midori at 3:52

Well, since you asked -

Mr. Ramirez was “fired” in 2005 when the LA Times, in an apparent effort to stem their hemorrhaging operations, let go much of the editorial staff. Mr. Ramirez is a conservative cartoonist. Barbra Streisand carried on loud and long about the purge and the attack on free expression - not regarding Mr. Ramirez, but one of her favorite columnists. I don’t think she mentioned Mr. Ramirez.

He is now syndicated through Investor’s Business Daily.

Mr. Ramirez has won a Pulitzer. Also a Mencken Award. He’s a past President of the American Association of Editorial Cartoonists. And he’s of minority parentage.

Hope this helps. Pesky facts…

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

Sybil,

You would be the expert on paranoia.

Not surprisingly your comment that I am paranoid because YOUR party is run by loonies makes about as much sense as John “F the Military” Kerry’s botched joke.

You cannot accept the fact that the mainstream of Democrat “thought” veers sharply to the Left. I attribute that to an inability to face reality.

As for Ann Coulter - she (and many other brilliant minds) is in the avant garde of the modern Conservative movement.

Unlike you weaselly Dems, we have a clear conscience and we’re not afraid to admit what we believe in. Moreover, our allegiance is first and foremost to conservative ideas, not to the GOP.

P.S. I’ve already voted.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

Shawny,

Lame.

Stick to bashing America.

Shees.

By rushncap

November 2, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

Was there a punchline to the joke, Shawn, or was that a joke in much the same sense as “You’re ugly, I hate you, and oh, by the way, I f*******&ed your mom last night. Get it?”?

By Jenn

November 2, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

Shawny, You’re right on! Awesome!

By nuff-said

November 2, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Jack Abramoff will begin serving a 70 month sentence on November 15, 2006. News to warm our hearts.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

Shawny

Bravo! Great joke. I about fell off my chair.

Another hallmark of civilization: the ability to laugh at onesself.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

And now for a real joke

By Goldie

November 2, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this

“That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America.”

Shawny, et al— America is still trying to recover from all of you Puritans, with your slave-trading and witch-burning. My, what a great “conservative” heritage you’ve contributed to our society!

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 2, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

gitmolife: What Wooten did to you was brutal. For a guy that normally cowers before the left wing goonies on his “news” paper’s editorial board, he sure did nut up on you.

I was wondering if he had it in him.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Liberalism is nothing if not “authoritarian”.

{{{I think what makes it so difficult for many in the West to comprehend is those characteristics we celebrate - tolerance, equality, diversity, freedom to be left alone, think what you want, within limits, do what you want - are anathema to the jihadists.}}}

Paul,

I hate to break it to you, but those characteristics are anathema to Liberals too. The only “diversity” they care about is skin color.

Rushncap,

The Jesuits invented “higher education”. Your stereotyping of conservatives as oppressive and ignorant boors just does not hold up to scrutiny.

My point was and is that not everybody sees the world through a gay progressive lens, err, political agenda.

Were those cave painters gay “progressives”? It is people like yourself who are obsessed with the sexual preferences, and political leanings of the “artist”. I frankly could not care less, unless that artist is a pornographer trying to pass himself off as a great artist who wants to have his porn exhibited in museums.

later…

By @@

November 2, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this

Dang rushncap, I’ll bet you didn’t know I was an ARTIST. I work on a pottery wheel. I do like to mold and shape things. I have to press the water out of the sluffed off clay so it can be used again.

I think I need to squeeze some of the liberal water out of you and all the other progressives here so the Jihadists will leave us alone.

I am but a ghost of Demi….dhimmi, or Dim Me. Take your pick. And be careful bub.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 2, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

Get ready to be censored y’all, the Urinal is trying to shut this whole thing down, it’s too close to the elections.

And the Conservative message here is too powerful.

And the liberals are powerless to counter it.

They are nothing but slack jawed, beady eyed mouthbreathing little feminists and we are making them and the entire dnc look foolish.

I’ll see y’all after the elections if this post even gets out.

By Midori

November 2, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this

If Andy thinks Getalife was “smacked down”, judging from Andy’s “standards”, Getalife must have done an admirable job.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this

This is from Goldie’s link,

You might not have always liked Republicans, but you could count on them to manage the bank. They might be lousy tippers, act snooty, talk through their noses, wear spats and splash mud on you as they race their Pierce-Arrows through the village, but you knew they could do the math.

This description sounds an awful lot like John Effing Kerry to me, except one could replace “manage the bank” with “marry it”.

What a horses’ a*.

By Midori

November 2, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

The only thing “powerful” here Andy, is your breath.

Put down the vodka.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 06:15 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I’m scrolling backwards, and the 5:57 at Wooten’s is a bit, shall we say, “over the top”.

Off to read the rest and see what all the fuss is about.

By Midori

November 2, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this

If Kerry is a horse’s rear end, Bush must be the elephant’s intestines.

Surrounded and inbedded in nothing but crap.

And that’s all that comes out of his mouth.

You wingnuts kill me: day 3 of twisting Kerry’s words.

I don’t know what’s more pathetic: your overt hypocrisy or the fact that that is ALL you have.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

November 2, 2006 06:17 PM | Link to this

RW, Buy Granny, Andy, @@, & Honu,

I’m trying to remember which one of you good Christians made the following statement. For the life of me, I just can’t remember who said it, although I’m almost certain it was one of you. This was the statement:

“My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth, was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world… as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.�

It sounds the most like an Andy or Honu quote, but I noticed Buy Granny make some comments like that today. So fess up; which one of you said it? Maybe @@? RW? Oh… you know what? I just remembered who said it; it was Adolph Hitler in a speech in 1922. Well, I was close.

By Paul

November 2, 2006 06:17 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish at 4:34

I would qualify by saying hyperpartisan liberals. I’m thinking of Minutemen speaking at Columbia, Young Republicans trying to organize at Berkely, etc. Hyperconservatives may not like the “opposition” but will generally let them have a say.

(Goldie at 4:31) rushncap at 3:32 Just picked up a book that looks interesting - The Victory of Reason by Rodney Stark. PhD from Berkely, currently teaches at Baylor University. States Christianity and its related institutions are directly responsible for the most significant intellectual, political, scientific and economic breakthroughs of the last millenium. Christian reason is the key. Other belief systems emphasize mystery, obedience, introspection. Christianity alone embraced logic and deductive thinking as the path to enlightenment, freedom and progress.

I believe this is what Pope Benedict was referring to in his controversial remarks - contrasting that with Islam’s belief in a God transcendent - where natural law and reason do not hold - thereby giving rise to the belief there are no absolute moral standards of conduct.

Should be and interesting read.

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 06:23 PM | Link to this

First it was the association of linking problems with being drunk by someone who was having an awful time doing it and now that same poster thinks they smell vodka through a blog. I don’t know about everyone else, but it sounds like the parrot needs to put down the bottle.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 06:25 PM | Link to this

Speaking of Kerry and banking, [I just found this postively hilarious post from “th” over at Wootens, which is supposed to illustrate his genius (despite having an “inferior intellect” (????), but instead proves my point that Garrison Keillor has been confusing “Republicans” with “Democrats” AND that Kerry and Keillor are horses’ asses.] (http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/thinkingright/entries/2006/11/02/post_25.html#comment-7805800)

By George

November 2, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this

What happened to we stand down when they stand up.

U.S. officer describes disarray in Iraqi army

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) — In an assessment for a military journal, a U.S. Army officer who advised Iraqi troops concludes the ultimate goal of having Iraq control its security “will exceed” the new army’s capability “for some time to come.”

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 06:27 PM | Link to this

OotMVoD,

While you’re studying Hitler you ought to pay special attention to how he used Darwin’s theory as an excuse to speed up natural selection.

By Midori

November 2, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

go find someone else to stalk, you raging idiot.

what are you, Andy’s AA Counselor?

so many jobs, so many people to stalk.

Pom poms and all……

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

Midori,

If you want to see a real twist job on Kerry’s words, look what the New York Times did to them.

All the news that’s fit to make up…

By bon scott

November 2, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

By Andy is… Gonna…Go…Nukular!!!! - November 2, 2006 06:02 PM - Get ready to be censored y’all, the Urinal is trying to shut this whole thing down, it’s too close to the elections.

Why is it that every time the AJC servers pass gas, it’s about you?

And the Conservative message here is too powerful.

Got that right. Powerful stink.

And the liberals are powerless to counter it.

You can do better than that, Andy. Get a sex reference in there! How about gender identity? Yeah, that’s it!

They are nothing but slack jawed, beady eyed mouthbreathing little feminists and we are making them and the entire dnc look foolish.

I knew you could! You must have sprayed spittle all over your monitor when you wrote that…

Look, you little paranoid… the ajc has a duty to keep this blog up. Your pratfalls, and those of the others in your little coven of wingnuts bring smiles to untold Americans daily.

As did your gloat that Wooten had zinged getalife. Wow! You have no grasp of reality, do you?

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 06:32 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I’m not sure that I understand your point. Is it that conservatives are today’s revolutionary thinkers? If so, I agree.

I don’t find many distinctions between Liberals and Hyperpartisan Liberals. Unless you want to call someone like Harold Ford a “Liberal”. I would argue that he is a conservative.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 06:35 PM | Link to this

NEWSFLASH.

Brit Hume just reported that Huckleberry Finn has just been removed from a classroom, not by Conservatives, but by a Liberal who complained about the “racial slurs”.

Burn those Mark Twain novels. He is a Great American racist!

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

November 2, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

Yeah RW, I agree that that’s absurd. I guess a good Christian can find any excuse to kill people.

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

Midori,

If you can’t stand having your words responded to, go to a closed blog. I’m still older than you for a couple days so be nice.

By getalife

November 2, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Andy,

To get Wooten to respond, just tell him to retire.

If he were not Mike’s friend I would have to unleash this fury:

“The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon the evil of the gop.”

Amen.

By George

November 2, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Andy sound just plain paranoid in his 6:02.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

November 2, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

Buy Granny,

Your quote: “I’m not sure that I understand your point. Is it that conservatives are today’s revolutionary thinkers? If so, I agree.”

I find it absolutely hilarious that people with the least intellect believe they’re the most expert on any given subject. Andy, with barely a high school education, is an expert on education. RW, with an associates degree from DeVry in telemarketing, is suddenly a scientist. And you, a stay-at-home, do-nothing housewife are a political scholar, historian, theologian, etc, etc. Keep talking, oh brilliant one.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this

RW,

Are we even certain that the odious Stalker Boy’s Hitler quote is legit, or is another quote that cannot be sourced, like Getalife’s missing evidence that W said the Constitution is only a piece of paper.

Here’s that quote from “th” that didn’t work, possibly from an excess of paretheses.

By @@

November 2, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this

Well we now know the true identity of OoTMVoD, he’s Rosey.

To all Christians reading this blog!!!

No matter what faith you practice. No matter how diverse you are within your beliefs…….OoTMVoD (Who votes Democrat) thinks you are a Nazi, Hitler.

Vote Republican November 7th.

By Jesus

November 2, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

November 2, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

Okay Granny,

While you’re speaking of racism, how about this stat: Before hurricane Katrina, there were approximately 500,000 people in New Orleans. About 100,000 of those people lived in poverty, almost 100% of which were African American. After the hurricane blew through, guess how many people were left in the city to fend for themselves? Yup, about 100,000 people. I know you’re not the brightest bulb in the closet, but even you can do that math.

By Buy Danish

November 2, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

Odious Stalker Boy,

I know this is impossible for a sociopathic egomaniac wanker like you to understand, but I wasn’t talking about myself.

Got that punk?

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 2, 2006 06:52 PM | Link to this

By Midori November 2, 2006 06:08 PM If Andy thinks Getalife was “smacked down�, judging from Andy’s “standards�, Getalife must have done an admirable job.

Why don’t you judge it from your own “standards” or don’t you have that ability with you being a parrot and all?

I posted the whole thing^^ complete with Jim sarcastically calling gitmo an illiterate, wtf, can’t you read either?

By bon scott

November 2, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

Bush has lost control of the Iraq occupation, which should never have been attempted in the first place. His latest lapse is aligning the US with Iraqi PM Malaki and his endorsement of the Shiite Mehdi Army milita, one of the most dangerous mass killers in Baghdad.

Forget “we have met the enemy and he is us!” It’s more like “we’ve met the enemy and decided to hug him!” Must be a new wingnut mantra.

Vote the Bush GOP out November 7th. They truly have no idea what they’re doing.

By Huge

November 2, 2006 07:02 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Your link to the extensive quote from the NYT at 3:13 was one of the best summaries of today’s situation that I have ever read. Every single part of it was brutally honest and accurate. Thank you!!

It makes me mad when I think that we, as a nation, have settled for this crap. We deserve so much better than Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.

Next Tuesday hopefully the tide against deadly incompetence begins to turn.

Goldie,

The quote from Keillor is also fanf&ckingtastic!

The neo-cons just absolutely hate it that an overwhelming percentage of the outstanding culture, creativity and intelligence resides in blue states!!!

Biggest laugh of the day! “As for Ann Coulter - she (and many other brilliant minds) is in the avant garde of the modern Conservative movement. Moreover, our allegiance is first and foremost to conservative ideas, not to the GOP.”

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

November 2, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

Buy Granny,

Your quote: “I’m not sure that I understand your point. Is it that conservatives are today’s revolutionary thinkers? If so, I agree.”

I find it absolutely hilarious that people with the least intellect believe they’re the most expert. Andy, with barely a high school education, is an expert on education. RW, with an associates degree from DeVry in telemarketing, is suddenly a scientist. And you, a stay-at-home, do-nothing housewife are a political scholar, historian, theologian, etc, etc. Keep talking, oh brilliant one.

Okay Granny,

While you’re speaking of racism, how about this stat: Before hurricane Katrina, there were approximately 500,000 people in New Orleans. About 100,000 of those people lived in poverty, almost 100% of which were African American. After the hurricane blew through, guess how many people were left in the city to fend for themselves? Yup, about 100,000 people. I know you’re not the brightest bulb in the closet, but even you can do that math.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 2, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

Reading up on Hitler’s quotes, Blowhard?

Getting your kicks with a little anti Semitism, eh?

You role playing as a concentration camp guard this evening, bull whipping those Jewish chicks, maybe getting some? Or would that be Jewish boys?

Does that stuff make you feel all warm and fuzzy?

By the way, I don’t worship the same Lord and Saviour that you and Adolf do.

Sorry! Can’t help you.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 2, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

Look finch/ bon scott, why don’t you go put a bag over your wife’s head and try to act normal for a bit. You almost made it through the whole day without getting que-er for me. Did it start to hurt not carrying on about me?

I can’t help it if your old lady is butt ugly.

It’s probably the best a little f*-got like you can do.

By the way, my post at 6:02 was sarcastic humor and damn sure didn’t need any commentary from my homosexual stalker.

I got the solution! Have you met Georgie Girl, finchie?

I’ll bet you two stalkers would be sweet together.

By N-GA

November 2, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

Paul, Hyperconservatives are more unlikely to let people speak. They don’t even let them into the forum. How many have been denied access to GWB’s speeches?

By RW-(the original)

November 2, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

It probably is an accurate quote. These libs are usually up on their idols words.

By Buy Danish

November 3, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this

Odious Stalker Boy,

Here are some inspirational quotes for you, all uttered in 1941 by your idol, Adolph Hitler -

“Christianity is an invention of sick brains”

“The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity.”

“The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.”

By w00t

November 3, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

Repub: rar rar rar rar, Libs, dems are BAD!1

Dems: rar rar rar rar, Conservs, neocons are BAD!1

They’ve both worthless, don’t care about us, and have nothing positive to say, except for mud slinging at the other party. Does anyone here really think that either party cares about them and what they think? They will not do anything about our boarders as hundreds of illegal aliens poor in every day. They do not care about the well being of people in our own country. Instead our elected officials send billions of our tax payer’s dollars overseas to support other countries. It’s almost hypocritical, the US supports WORLD welfare! Hey, I’ve got an idea, build a school here, give people money to go to college, actually do something about the boarders, make healthcare cheaper. All we hear is talk, talk, talk, but nothing is EVER done about it. Both parties would rather b!tch, moan, and groan about the other and how they can’t “leadâ€? the country. How can we expect anything to be accomplished when this is going on?

Maybe its time for a new party, who knows? What has happened to this country? Has it always been like this? If not, how do we fix it? Everyday I read stories in the so called “news� from both sides and its depressing. This very blog is like a micro-environment of the current political environment. No one agrees on anything. It’s nothing more than sharply polarized and divided ideas. No wonder why our voter turn out is always so poor. Maybe people are just sick of it all and feel they aren’t represented by anyone anymore.

I think the citizens of the US need to take back this country. Get rid of the lobbyist, the special interest groups, and big business that aren’t for the interest of the people and make it for US again. Does anyone else feel this way?

By Buy Danish

November 3, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this

Odious Stalker Boy,

Here’s some more info on your hero -

Upon attaining office and enjoying a free hand, what line did Hitler take on religion and the Church? Five days after becoming Chancellor in 1933, Hitler allowed a sterilization law to pass, and had the Catholic Youth League disbanded.

The SS were particularly anti-Christian, and officers and men were encouraged to leave the Church.

Hitler’s references to providence and God and the ritualistic pageantry of Nazism were more than likely pagan than Christian. Earthly symbols of German valour and Teutonic strength were to be worshipped - not the forgiving, compassionate representative of an “Eastern Mediterranean servant ethic imposed on credulous ancient Germans by force and subterfuge.

Here’s a Hitler Youth marching song you to sing. Maybe some of your idiot blog friends can help you write some nice music for it:

We follow not Christ, but Horst Wessel, Away with incense and Holy Water, The Church can go hang for all we care, The Swastika brings salvation on Earth.

By Buy Danish

November 3, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

Odious Stalker Boy,

Here’s a history lesson for you:

In West Prussia, out of 690 parish priests, at least two-thirds were arrested, and the remainder escaped only by fleeing from their parishes. After a month’s imprisonment, no less than 214 of these priests were executed… by the end of 1940 only twenty priests were left in their parishes — about three percent of the number of parish priests in the pre-war era.” The toll of murdered Polish priests would rise into the thousands; their Protestant counterparts (though a much smaller group) fared no better, with many members of the clergy perishing in the camps.

By Buy Danish

November 3, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

Punk Stalker Boy,

Your idol Hitler was a Darwiniac. The full title of Darwin’s “masterpiece” provides a clue as to why he embraced the Theory of Evolution:

The Origin of Species - (The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life)