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Here we go; the morons have something to dwell on finally. Let’s completely ignore what the dems stand for and how they want to help the American people. It’s like the repubs get to put the blinders on people so they see only what they want them to see. “oooooo, a dem said what?? See!! See!! They hate America!” It’s all a bunch of BS and games. Let’s talk about the real issues with this country and this current administration, not petty things that have nothing to do with the path of the country.

Grow up!

By Brian Curtis

November 1, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

So let me understand this: the Bush supporters are hoping to capitalize on a senator’s inarticulate misstatements?

The BUSH supporters? And this is the thread they’re hanging their hopes on for next Tuesday?

Sheesh… If only that darn Lib’rul Media would cover this Major Story a little, instead of hushing it up!

By The Emperor is Naked

November 1, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

Great cartoon, Mike!

I can’t wait for Nancy Pelosi to drain the swamp and start the impeachment hearings.

Bush & Company would have us believe the Democratic party is the enemy, but whatever happened to Bin Laden?

By N-GA

November 1, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this

I was sure the (neo) cons on this blog would love ML’s toon…but they hate him so much that they won’t, even for one second, complement his work even as they interpret it to their own (pathetic) ideology.

By @@

November 1, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

ml, I think you got it right this time.

If the dems win, it’ll take five or six months to organize their staff, appoint committee chairs. Osama foresees a slew of investigations prompted by Pelosi which will interfere with Bush’s ability to attend to the threat of terrorism.

Meanwhile, the international window of opportunity for U.S. enemies will open wider and wider. Osama is cheering for the democrats.

Dems taking control of the house based on all the promises they’ve made for investigations, will definitely put this country in JEOPARDY.

It’ll be a nuclear football Kerry’d onto the field, fumbled and dropped by the dems.

Vote Republican. @@ approves this message, and is supported by ml.

By Eric

November 1, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

Everyone knows Kerry was talking about Dubya, not the troops. Their desperation is driving them to make something of nothing. They have one more week before all their hopes and dreams are dashed. I can’t wait! Great toon Mike!

By Buy Danish

November 1, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

WooT,

We’re not “ignoring what the Dems stand for”. We’re highlighting it with a great big spotlight.

TEIN,

Bin Laden is passing on Democrat talking points to his cronies like Zawahiri to repeat in propaganda videos.

By Buy Danish

November 1, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

Eric,

If Kerry was talking about Dubya, why is it that Bush had better grades and scored better on military intelligence tests than that genius (cough cough) Kerry?

Read all about it here.

Any other theories?

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

There you have it. According to wOOt the United States military is just a petty thing, not even worthy of discussion. It never takes very long for a moonbat’s true feelings to shine through.

By Political Foreskin

November 1, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

Bush is calling Democrats, “Stay the Coursers”, now, and rising in the polls!!

Attention Span of Average Redstate Dittoheadwound: 22 secundes, (timed to the millisecunde using a field abacus, and a sundial).

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

When you made your remark that no (neo) cons on the board liked the cartoon only one conservative had posted and he didn’t mention the cartoon.

Do you see why nobody takes your observations seriously?

By Political Foreskin

November 1, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

Yesterday, the Shia Militiamen demanded that Bush redeploy our troops, and in hours, Bush cut and run, and redeployed from the checkpoints. But not to worry! Bush shined moments later when he pummeled his 2004 opponent with 2004 aplomb.

A bomb? Bush dont know Jack.

Aplomb? Bush dope wid’it.

By Brother Can You Spare $100 BILLION Bucks ? ? ?

November 1, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

KUWAIT CITY - War-ravaged Iraq needs around $100 billion in the next four to five years to recover and rebuild its infrastructure, a government spokesman said Tuesday at the opening of an international aid meeting.

Well there it is, Iraq is holding out its’ tin cup for another heaping helping of Republican WELFARE hand-outs. Isn’t it two-faced how Republicans rant and rail about ‘social spending’ in America, then they turn around and start the biggest ‘soup-line’ in the history of the world ! ! !

Remember how the Republicans LIED to us once again when they said that the war would pay for itself with seized oil revenues ! ? !

Do you like having your intelligence insulted by the Republican propoganda machine and their constant LYING and DISTORTIONS of damn near EVERYTHING ! ? ! Redefining Kerry’s jab at King George being stupid and ‘stuck in Iraq’ as a perceived smear of American troops in just the latest example ! ! !

By Brian Curtis

November 1, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

But Bush is the best thing ever to happen to Al-Qaeda! Why on earth would they want the Republicans to LOSE when they’re making such great strides in destroying the U.S. and all it stands for… and helping them snap up new Al-Qaeda recruits by the truckload?

By Nomad

November 1, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this

I guess Kerry didn’t get the memo to keep his trap shut during the final weeks of the election. You notice that we have seen very little of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi lately.

However, the Dems will blow this off as a misspeak. That is they way the do things.

I am shocked the liberals here feel that this was just an accident. You should already know that Kerry hates the military.

Thank you senator for running your mouth off. Your words may have just insured that the Republicans keep both houses. We couldn’t have asked for a better present.

NOMAD

P.S. ML I liked today’s cartoon. Have a nice day.

By bon scott

November 1, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

Let the GOPunks go into a froth over Kerry. It won’t matter. As my boss (chronic Republican) tells me, “Kerry’s a nobody now. People aren’t paying any attention to this. Except maybe laughing about it.”

He’s already resigned to a Speaker Pelosi. He’s praying they’re won’t be a Senate Majority Leader Reid.

And he’s really REALLY pi$$ed that Bush continues to support that ethnic cleanser Malaki, the PM of Iraq, who won’t let US troops go after the mass murdering Sh-iite “militas” in Baghdad. He feels betrayed. Lied to.

Hey drunken Andy! I thought sleeping it off might have helped you forget your obsession over me, but I guess not. Do you start with a beer for breakfast or go straight for the hard stuff?

Vote the Bush GOP out November 7th.

By Homework

November 1, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

War. What is it good for? Or who?

Try this: http://www.ctc.usma.edu/harmony/CTC-AtiyahLetter.pdf

By Dusty

November 1, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

@@ at 8:43,

You got it right !! I approve of your message also. VOTE REPUBLICAN!!!

(Pelosi is toast and Kerry aint merry. And Reid and Kennedy are both very scary.)

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

Sybil,

Your “Republican” boss sounds as pathetic as you.

Does a psyche ward matron really qualify as a “boss?” Maybe Nurse Ratched I guess.

By Republicans KNOW Their Limitations

November 1, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

why is it that Bush had better grades and scored better on military intelligence tests than that genius (cough cough) Kerry?

Duh, could it be that King George was hiding out in the safe little ‘play soldier’ billet with the gaurd that his Daddy secured for him (when he wasn’t awol that is) while Kerry was wading around in the rice paddies of ‘Nam, dodging enemy fire? Bush never spent a day in service outside of the borders of American soil. In the Chimperor’s defense, at least he got the hell out of the way and let REAL men do the REAL fighting (a man has GOT to know his limitations) ! ! !

By Al-Jazeera Loves King George

November 1, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

DOHA, Qatar - The Al-Jazeera ‘International’ network has set a launch date of Nov. 15. The English-language offshoot of the influential Arab network Al-Jazeera will begin operations at 7 a.m. ET out of its Doha, Qatar headquarters, the network announced on Tuesday.

American newspapers may have declining subscriptions due to the enroads of electronic media, but King George’s misadventure in Iraq sure is creating millions of new subscribers for ‘Al-Jazeera’ ! ! !

By Rick Whitenack

November 1, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

Being a recently retired military member I admit the comments by Sen Kerry were somewhat disturbing even if there is some truth to his words. What he failed to mention was the wonderful opportunities the military offers for those that may have scored below the top 20% of their class. I agree with the president that Kerry should apologize to those serving and that apology should follow the President’s apology for getting them into the mess they presently find themselves without just cause.

By getalife

November 1, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

Great toon Mike.

Madam Speaker Pelosi,

Please clean up the House.

The gop’s worst nightmare.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

N-GA yesterday, 6:33 pm:

Ouch. You’re correct - even tho I was equating “AJC editorial cartooning” with “Mr. L’s style, in general” I expressed it quite sloppily. I seem to recall only once has Mr. L had a cartoon spiked. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Hmmm, gives me a bit of sympathy for Sen Kerry. Then again, someone who knows he can’t do humor shouldn’t do humor.

Regarding the “Hollywood directors, producers, actors, more liberal than conservative” remark. I do not have any emperical data to support that. Just strikes me that the more popular actors/actresses of today are more Democratic/liberal in their remarks, fundraising, expression for causes than Republican/conservatives (and yes, I think it’s a shame the “liberal” “conservative” labels are now used interchangeably with “Democrat” “Republican.” Mostly my impression, based upon what some in the industry (James Woods, Bo Derek, Chuck Norris) have said about their experiences and about the press given to more “liberal” views (George Cloony, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, Johnny (sp) Depp).

It’s only a concern as many people believe someone’s views on social, political or economic matters has greater credibility because they are “famous.”

By B.Moore

November 1, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

Voters need to realize that the Democrats revenge will be misdirected. It’ll do nothing to keep the U.S. safe from terrorism. It’ll be directed at Republicans.

Democrats don’t believe we’re at war with terrorism. They want to raise our taxes and keep them here at home where it will serve their interest. Income redistribution.

Their voting record cutting into national defense will leave us vulnerable at the worst possible time.

By Steve

November 1, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

If Bush says “Stay the course”, then why did he just “cut and run” in Sadr City? Oh, right, he’s the decider and I guess he decided “Mission Accomplished” in Sadr City, we didn’t find our missing soldier.

“You’re doing a great job, Bushy!”

By getalife

November 1, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

The best part about Kerry’s comment was when w spewed it was about the troops.

No w, it was about you stupid!

Bwhahahahahahaha!

By All of the People ALL of the Time

November 1, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats lead Republicans in 12 of 15 key races in the November 7 election to decide which party controls the U.S. House of Representatives.

Looks like Republicans are having a hard time ‘Fooling ALL of the People ALL of the Time’ this election cycle.

By w00t

November 1, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

Yeah, because sending billions of our tax payers dollars to a failed state is such a better idea!

Repubs, hey lets forget about education, poverty, wages, healthcare, and anything else that could make the American people better because they should “work for it”.

Yeah, great idea!

It’s better to spend all of our money on the military and other countries and further go into debt. Pretty soon China and Mexico are going to own the United States. Hopefully we are making the Iraqi’s and Afgahnies “work for it”.

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

Michelle Malkin with a reminder of the many Democrat “troop supporters” with some of Kerry’s greatest hits. Andy even makes a brief appearance in this one.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Political Foreskin at 9:03

“the Shia Militiamen demanded that Bush redeploy our troops, and in hours, Bush cut and run…”

Uh, the demand came from Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. Possibly you consider him a “Shia Militiaman” or possibly this is just another example of your conviction that Pres Bush makes every tactical decision in the theater of operations (takes you back to McNamara “they can’t bomb an outhouse without my approval”?).

So, are we to understand you are in favor of the US dictating policy to a democratically elected government?

By getalife

November 1, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

My bin Laden costume did not go over too well

D’oh!

By Goldie

November 1, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

So Sen. Kerry made a bad joke — that’s what the Repugnants are counting on for winning in November? Geez— y’all are certainly gasping for air now! You can’t sell Americans on your bad product anymore, so you’ll cling to any bad joke you can…

By Buy Danish

November 1, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

RKTL,

NO.

Your idiotic Theory of Education cannot be true because, duh, Kerry went to SPS and Yale before he went to Vietnam. He has no one to blame but himself for his lackluster grades and less than stellar performance on IQ tests.

By Republican Impulse Control

November 1, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

SUNRISE, Fla. - The funny girl wasn’t laughing. Barbra Streisand had a drink lobbed at her Monday after a mid-concert skit poking fun at President Bush.

It’s at least the third time the skit, which includes a George W. Bush impersonator, has angered Streisand’s audience. A heckler targeted her at the Philadelphia opening of her 20-city comeback tour, Guttman said, and Streisand made headlines with her response to a jeerer at Madison Square Garden last month.

Republicans don’t seem to have much ‘impulse control’ do they? They always have to settle their disagreements with their FISTS FIRST and their BRAINS LAST. No wonder the Chimperor launched an invasion with inadequate and faulty pre-war planning and NO PLAN to achieve victory ! ! !

By Dusty

November 1, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

Err Paul,

I don’t quite understand your statement “I have only seen once Mr. L’s cartoon spiked.”

Spiked? In terms of Luckovich? When I think of spiked, I think of Mr. L trying to drive a spike thought the heart of George W. Bush about 95% of the time. Do you call that supportive, agreeable, humorous, accurate, motivated, scrupulous, impartial, actual, etc. etc.??? Oh well, I am lost in the “spike” of the moment. Let us squelch such moments.

By Republican Energizer Rat Lovers

November 1, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran unexpectedly announced Wednesday that it would be holding military maneuvers in the Gulf this week, only days after U.S.-led navies held exercises in the same waterway.

While King George has his dick (and our troops) stuck in Iraq, the REAL rats will play, and play, and play, and play, and …………… ! ! !

By RE

November 1, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

Paul,

The PM Al Maliki ordered the US troops out of the Shia town. The soverign government we are supporting is protecting the shia militias.

See this is what I cannot figure out, the more simpleminded folks here when asked what we should be doing in Iraq say “win” or “victory”. Victory over what, win what. If we secure AL Maliki’s government, what did we accomplish? We would have kicked out a Secular Sunni dictator who opposed Iran, and replaced him with a Shia Islamist dictator that supports Iran. Would you count that as a “win”. Instead of slaughtered shia in southern Iraq as happened under Saddam, now we can have slaughtered Sunnis in western Iraq.

Tell me how supporting this government is a win for the US.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

Dusty at 10:02 “Spiked” refers to an editor killing (not running) an article or feature. Industry term. Didn’t occur it was restrictive in understanding.

I’ll spike further use of the term.

By Republican Robber Barrons

November 1, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - The Interior Department has dropped a claim that Chevron Corp. shortchanged the government $6 million on royalties from some gas it pumped in the Gulf of Mexico.

You can bet your left nut that King George ain’t about to collect the royalties that his oil robber baron buddies owe to the American people ! ! !

By Paul

November 1, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Republican Impulse Control at 9:55

For the sake of discussion I’ll stipulate to your comments. Now assume I’m one of the “undecideds” who will vote and likely decide the election(s). Assume also I’m not at all happy with the Iraq situation or how we got there. I just want something different. Assume I feel I was “misled.” I do not want to be “misled” again (and do not want history to repeat with Pres Nixon’s “I have a secret plan to end the war. Trust me.”)

So what, exactly, is the plan for Iraq? Please keep it rather simple and specific. I do not have many days before I cast my vote.

Thank you.

By stu pidashols

November 1, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

Voters need to realize that the past 12 years of republican revenge has been misdirected. It has always been directed at democrats and middle class Americans. And it has done much to ensure the U.S. is more endangered by terrorism.

By sean b

November 1, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

It is one thing for the republican bloggers on these boards to label demoacrats as loathsome beings intent on destroying the world, as most of the inflamatory rhetoric offered appears to be coming from the brains of Faulknerian halfwits.

I just asked myself, “Why do none of the conservatives who write on these boards seem to lack any some cognitive reasoning to look at multiple sides of any issues?” Away from this forum I encounter conservatives from both parties who are educated, well-spoken and, although I do not subscribe to their passions for social restictions on human rights, I do feel confident that their beliefs are based upon an intelligent choice to live their lives under their own individual credo.

However, the people who produce such vile and incendiary comments on these boards seem only to have black/white vision of the world around them, without the complication of grey areas that might inspire creative discussion or personal sacrifice to help others in a positive manner. I see very few redeemable qualities that could make me want to engage in conversation with the people who jammer away on these boards espousing their conservative rhetoric as heroes of the free world.

I suspect many of you have poor education or have little desire to know much about the world around you. Though woefully sad in my opinion, you have this freedom to be miserable and fill your mind with as much garbage as you please because you are a fellow American. And, albeit unfortunate for those seeking constructive cross party discussion of the issues that burden collectively as Americans, you express your bevy of ignorant jammerings without much thought how your words will be received and processed by others with the same freedoms shared by all in America.

I believe the difference between the aforementioned dem/rep conservatives and the conservative writers on these boards, is they are most likely at work with good jobs that afford them good things for themselves and their families, while engaging them with resonsibilities and higher problem solving. In other words, I believe they are probably working and do not afford themselves the time to wallow in the mire of these rants you pen with rapid succession.

I am on vacation. Are you? If not, get back to work, then redeem yourself through goodwill unto others.

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

Paul,

What cartoon got spiked? Did he accidentally praise something a Republican did or draw the troops in a favorable light, maybe he tried to show an American flag that wasn’t on fire?

By Midori

November 1, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

The bottom line is Kerry called Bush stupid, and Bush (and his supporters) are too stupid to know it.

end of story.

By stu pidashols

November 1, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

After the gop won, it took five or six months to organize their staff, appoint committee chairs. Osama foresaw a slew of inattentiveness prompted by gop hubrus which interfered with this country’s ability to attend to the threat of terrorism.

All the while, the international window of opportunity for U.S. enemies opened wider and wider. Osama was cheering for the republicans.

Repubs maintaining control of the house based on all the promises they’ve made and broken, will definitely put this country in JEOPARDY.

By Brian Curtis

November 1, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

Here’s a great headline: “Kerry flubs joke, enraging those who hated him already. Liberal media refuses to cover story. Diehard dreamers on right convinced this will turn election chances around.”

By Dusty

November 1, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

Err Paul,

To pursue a pointless point, how do you know Luckovich had one cartoon “spiked” if it was never run? Clairvoyant?

By Paul

November 1, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

RE at 10:07

Your first sentence was about what I wrote. Political Foreskin’s assertion was Pres Bush ordered the redeployment in response to Shiite militiamen.

Regarding your second paragraph, this post will appear just after a post in which I asked Political Foreskin essentially the same question.

One of the few differences I can see (regarding your comment) is the gov’t is elected, not dictatorial. What the practical effects of that are, however, remain to be seen.

Leaving abruptly and undermining the gov’t resulting in increasing Iran’s influence -or- remaining and leaving a stable gov’t sympathetic to Iranian Shiites is a bit of a sobering concept.

By Two Birds With One Stone

November 1, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

SAN DIEGO - Two former Border Patrol agents were sentenced Tuesday to more than six years each in prison for taking nearly $180,000 in bribes in exchange for releasing immigrant smugglers and illegal immigrants from federal custody.

Republicans get to kill two birds with one stone. They create whole new opportunities for the graft they love so much, and supply their illegal alien enablers in ‘big business’ with a steady stream of job-taking ‘guest workers’ at the same time. They sure as shiite ain’t about to enact or enforce any legislation with any REAL teeth to seize the illegal businesses and assets of employers who break the law and knowingly hire illegals ! ! !

By Diogenes

November 1, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Mike, that’s not up to your usual standard, but after the excellence of that past three or four, I suppose your’re entitled to a slump. Keep up the good work.

By bon scott

November 1, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

By Paul - November 1, 2006 09:34 AM - It’s only a concern as many people believe someone’s views on social, political or economic matters has greater credibility because they are “famous.�?

Got that right. I don’t care if it’s Chuck Norris or Barbra Streisand. Most of them are idiot savants anyway.

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

Midori,

The bottom line is that Kerry has smeared and belittled the troops for years. Watch this video and you will plainly see he wasn’t telling any joke or talking about the President, so the stupid ones so far today are you, Goldie, and getalife

By stu pidashols

November 1, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

My idiotic Theory of Education cannot be true because, duh, W went to Yale before he went to snort coke and avoid real service in the Texas ANG. He has no one to blame but himself for his lackluster grades and less than stellar performance on anything he’s done in life.

By David

November 1, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

Kerry was right on target. As wartime veterans, we actually have rights to say WTF is the truth of the matter, unlike Andy and his gang of GOP armchair warriors who have never served in combat, to include Rush, Boortz, Hannity, etc, etc, etc.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

RW-(the original) at 10:17

One dealing with Perdue, still was seen by many. Source: Editor & Publisher magazine, cited here: Link: http://www.tcj.com/journalista/zarch200304B.html

“Astor offers an update on a story I’ve been following for a couple of days now, by noting that the Mike Luckovich editorial cartoon spiked by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, which depicted Georgia governor Sonny Perdue as “stupid” over yet another Confederate flag controversy, has probably now been seen by more people than if it had actually run in the paper as planned, thanks to news stories and the internet…”

By Paul

November 1, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Dusty at 10:24

See my previous post.

By bon scott

November 1, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Hey, you want to see funny???

Here’s President Bush joking about WMD’s! “Nope! None here. Cant find any here either!”

That George!! What a cutup!!

Vote the Bush GOP out November 7th.

By Democritus

November 1, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

If Kerry flubbed a joke, then he’d best never apply for Jay Leno’s job.

By stu pidashols

November 1, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

The bottom line is that Bush has been getting the troops needlessly killed and maimed for years. Watch any of his campaign speeches and you will plainly see he wasn’t telling any joke or talking about changing the course, so the stupid ones so far today are the ones who voted for him

By Republican Impulse Control

November 1, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

So what, exactly, is the plan for Iraq? Please keep it rather simple and specific. I do not have many days before I cast my vote.

It’s really pretty simple,Paul. If Republicans REALLY think that America can benefit from crushing Iraq into submission, they will have to put their money where their mouth is. They will have to pay soldiers a FAIR salary for fighting a deadly guerilla action, they will have to deploy a sufficient number fo troops to insure that the job gets done with a minimum of exposure to harm for those troops, they will have to supply adequate equipment/armor/logistics to meet the demands, and they will have to insure that the American servicemen who are chewed up in battle do not have their VA and other benefits eroded away. Lastly, they will have to stop trying to silence any critics that stand up for the well being of American troops. The problem is that all of these things will be very, very expensive and Republicans have been ‘cheaping it out’ from the get go in order to make the war more ‘palatable’ to the American voters ! ! !

By RSW

November 1, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

I just want to know what all this ranting has to do with the excellence or lack thereof of Mike’s cartoon.

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

Casey/Kerry event cancelled in Philly

and

Kerry events with Democrat candidate Tim Walz and an appearance with the Minnesota DFL party cancelled

and

Democrat candidate Bruce Braley in Iowa asks Kerry to stay away

and

Harold Ford tells Kerry to apologize. (No link since Drudge has overwhelmed the TFP server.

Isn’t it about time for one of those rats jumping off the ship cartoons the scribbler likes so much?

By Dusty

November 1, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I read your previous post. IF THE EDITOR SPIKED ONE OF LUCKOVICH’s CARTOONS (didn’t run it), HOW DID YOU KNOW? I myself cannot see what is NOT run.

Editors could spike dozens of Luckovich’s cartoons and I would never know. Are you gifted or something?

By bon scott

November 1, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

As President Bush, through his silence, condones Iraqi Prime Minister Malaki’s decision to unleash Shiite warlord el-Sadr’s Mehdi milita by ending the blockade of the Sadr City slum, rival Sunni militas go on the offensive:

Sunni insurgents have cut the roads linking the city to the rest of Iraq. The country is being partitioned as militiamen fight bloody battles for control of towns and villages north and south of the capital.

The Pentagon sees a situation in Iraq moving from really bad to desperate:

WASHINGTON — A classified briefing prepared two weeks ago by the United States Central Command portrays Iraq as edging toward chaos, in a chart that the military is using as a barometer of civil conflict.

This is all the result of inept White House “stay the course” leadership the past 6 years. Incompetence like this just doesn’t happen. You have to really work at it.

Please note that there’s no “foreign fighters” or “Osama” factors in this chaos. It’s Iraqi vs. Iraqi in a civil war that has nothing to do with the war on terror.

Vote the Bush GOP out November 7th.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

Republican Impulse Control at 10:42

You sound a lot like the poster of some days ago on the “military pay” soapbox. But that’s another topic.

My simple question was, to persuade “me” to vote Democratic (original question plus a couple parenthetical clarifying remarks):

For the sake of discussion I’ll stipulate to your comments. Now assume I’m one of the “undecideds�? who will vote and likely decide the election(s). Assume also I’m not at all happy with the Iraq situation or how we got there. I just want something different. Assume I feel I was “misled.�? I do not want to be “misled�? again (and do not want history to repeat with Pres Nixon’s “I have a secret plan to end the war. Trust me.�?)

So what, exactly, is the (opposition party) plan for Iraq? Please keep it rather simple and specific. I do not have many days before I cast my vote (which will keep in place current policies or change to what the opposition party proposes).

Care to try again? Anyone?

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I guess it’s splitting hairs, but your link says that Cynthia Tucker approved the cartoon but it was taken down out of deference to the Governor’s office. So I wouldn’t call it “spiked” in the editorial sense.

We all know that “deference to the Governor’s office” is a crock so I wonder what really happened. If ever a cartoon begged to be pulled down it was Pot to Kettle. Maybe back in 2003 they didn’t know they could just change the cartoon’s name and pretend it didn’t exist.

By Republican War on the Middle Class

November 1, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - David Hicks will still be paying back his student loans by the time his children, now aged 10 and 12, are in college, and he plans to refinance his modest home to help pay for their schooling.

College, rising health care costs and higher prices for everything from food to fuel are the issues that Hicks and millions of other American middle-income families are up against. When they go to the voting booth next week, many of them will wonder who, if anyone, on the ballot can help them.

More evidence that the only people who are benefitting from the Republican ‘Robust Economy’ are Rich people who have declared ‘War on the Middle Class’ ! ! !

Let’s let YOU decide, though. If you REALLY believe that you have prospered over the last 6 years and that your economic health is better today than it was in the years before King George, you absolutely SHOULD vote for more Republicanism. If, on the other hand, you are uncertain about your and your children’s ability to pay off the COLLOSAL Republican debt charge-up and still have a better life, then you should vote for a change.

The Outstanding Public Debt as of 01 Nov 2006 at 03:53:37 PM GMT is: $8,565,769,810,144.52

The estimated population of the United States is 300,120,919 so each citizen’s share of this debt is $28,541.06.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $1.59 billion per day since September 30, 2005!

By bon scott, Andy's Gay Stalker, If It Get's Worse, finchie Will Need To Check Into Andyhab, Again

November 1, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

By David November 1, 2006 10:30 AM Kerry was right on target. As wartime veterans, we actually have rights to say WTF is the truth of the matter, unlike Andy and his gang of GOP armchair warriors who have never served in combat, to include Rush, Boortz, Hannity, pant, pant, pant.

Are you talking about this statement from Kerry:

Kerry said if you make the most of your education, you “can do well.” The Democrat went on to say that is you don’t, (quote) “you get stuck in Iraq.”

Thanks for making that clear how you liberals think our troops are failures.

Paul: You may not know this being new to the blog but Spammie, a.k.a. Republican, blah, blah, is either a very small child or a very large idiot. Talking to this moron only encourages it to dump even larger amounts of Yahoo bullsh-it on the blog, even if it has nothing to do with anything.

Do you honestly believe George Bush should attack the Iranian war maneuvers? Is this just not the most asinine thing that can be said?

I’m hoping that it we let this filthy mofo dry up on the vine, don’t pay this mindless spam any attention, maybe it will just go away.

Or November 8th will get here first.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

Dusty at 10:51

previous reference “the Mike Luckovich editorial cartoon spiked by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, which depicted Georgia governor Sonny Perdue as “stupid�? over yet another Confederate flag controversy”

The topic (not running a cartoon) was reported in Editor and Publisher (a reputable industry source). Topic is a frequently occurring one among editorial cartoonists - Mr. L and Mr. Mike Peters have appeared on several venues in which this was the topic. Discussion generally goes along the lines of why an editor won’t run a cartoon, cartoonist’s reaction, “freedom of an expression” by employees, etc.

Not much different in concept than say, an automobile designer at a design studio saying “here’s my design for a car that was never approved for production.”

By Paul

November 1, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

RW at 11:02 I suppose another point is how much latitude editorial cartoonists have at their papers. I’ve read of a lot more “spiking” with local papers dealing with local issues (and money interests).

By Goldie

November 1, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

Andy-Ranter, here’s a response from Sen. Kerry:

This policy is broken, and this president and his administration didn’t do their homework. They didn’t study what would happen in Iraq. They didn’t study and listen to the people who were the experts and would have told them. And they know that’s what I was talking about yesterday. I’m not going to be lectured by a White House or by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, who’s taking a day off from mimicking and attacking Michael J. Fox, who’s now going to try to attack me and lie about me and distort me. No way. It disgusts me that a bunch of these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country, are willing to lie about those who did. It’s over

You Neo-Con trolls are truly desperate this week — squeeeeal!!!!

By bon scott, Andy's Gay Stalker, If It Get's Worse, finchie Will Need To Check Into Andyhab, Again

November 1, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

finch maybe too stupid or too much of a que-er for me to notice this but it had one post yesterday out of 50 that didn’t obsess with Andy, I immediately dropped my new nickname and went back to using “taxes.”

But it was too much for that pervert bon scott to leave me out of his obsessions, he is a mental case homo from way back after all, so I resume with the “Andy reHAB” until the little degenerate gets off of my leg.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

bon scott at 11:09 Thanks for the enlightenment.

re: para six: I believe I’ve questioned the assertion Pres Bush is personally responsible, through his direct intervention, for every tactical move on the battlefield. That’s just plain silly.

I don’t generally look at it as “taking someone on” unless it’s to challenge a patently false assertion. My 10:58 is a serious question open to all: the voting public should have a pretty good idea of the administration goal in Iraq (a stable, representative government) and the recent conditions (metrics, measures of progress, etc). The Democratic Party has been highly critical. So the question, if I am not pleased with the current situation, is, what do “you” propose to do differently? Or will I merely vote to change parties and see no real difference in Iraq?

By bon scott, Andy's Gay Stalker, If It Get's Worse, finchie Will Need To Check Into Andyhab, Again

November 1, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

“Bishop” Goldilocks: Here’s the typical democrat response-

TN Harold Ford, democrat, asks Kerry to apologize…

Iowa candidate asks Kerry to cancel campaign visit

Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee pulled out of the DFL event, which will still be held, as the result of a controversy over comments he made Monday inCalifornia.

Sen. John Kerry canceled his planned appearance Wednesday at a Philadelphia rally with Democratic Senate candidate Bob Casey amid controversy over comments he made about troops in Iraq.

You need some new talking points, “Bishop” Goldilocks.

By getalife

November 1, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

A Marine’s letter home, with its frank description of life in “Dante’s inferno,” has been circulating through generals’ in-boxes. We publish it here with the author’s approval

A vote for Dems will get them out of there.

By bon scott, Andy's Gay Stalker, If It Get's Worse, finchie Will Need To Check Into Andyhab, Again

November 1, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

The lack of menace here is palpable. I have felt myself to be in more danger in American and British cities. Nor is this the calm before the storm, so beloved of foreign correspondents. Though Kabul is not as safe as it was in the immediate aftermath of liberation — allied troops no longer go jogging through its streets or wander alone through its bazaars — it is still surprisingly safe. Indeed as one ISAF officer points out to me, it is “safer than London or New York,�? despite a suicide bombing last month.

By Dusty

November 1, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Well, thanks, Paul

but this kinda goes under the “Only your hairdresser knows” section. I have never read Editor and Publishing or seen any newspaper report that listed “spiked” material in their publication. Only your journalist knows.

Since my main interest lies within the world of medicine I am lacking in newspaper informationals. Evidently you are not.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

getalife at 11:34 I read the Marines observations on a variety of topics. I did not discern any “forward look” recommendations on strategy. Not really his concern, I suppose.

So your recommendation of “A vote for Dems will get them out of there” tells me that if I vote Democratic and the Party comes to power that there will be an immediate withdrawal of all military forces from Iraq? Do I read that correctly?

By Rich

November 1, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

John Kerry was the democrats nominee for president in 2004. That being said, this is what he thinks of the terror threat to this country after 9/11.

"We have to get back to the place we were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they're a nuisance," John Kerry explained during the 2004 presidential campaign.">http://www.opinioneditorials.com/guestcontributors/mnevin_20061006.html)

The democrats & Kerry have serious problems with focus. Do we really want them overseeing the threat of terrorism when they think it’s nothing more than a nuisance?

Kerry isn’t alone in his opinion. Democrats share it & will prove to be weak on terror.

Vote Republican Nov. 7th.

By bon scott, Andy's Gay Stalker, If It Get's Worse, finchie Will Need To Check Into Andyhab, Again

November 1, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

But it seems to me that Kerry’s mask slipped the other day, revealing his true feelings about the military, whose members he apparently still views with the same condescension as he did his own generation of soldiers. Webb would have every right to take Kerry’s silly comments personally, since he has a son who is a Marine in Iraq. I wonder what he thinks of Kerry’s endorsement now.

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

What it’s really all about is that blacks in Maryland have begun to realize that they’ve been being snookered by the white-dominated Democratic Party all these years. As Riddick put it, “They’ve been showing us a pie, but we never get a slice.”

A week from today is looking better and better.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

Dusty at 11:43 “Editor and Publisher” is a magazine devoted to print media issues.

By bon scott

November 1, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

By pederast Andy is drinking again - November 1, 2006 11:20 AM - (bon) maybe too stupid or too much of a que-er for me to notice this but it had one post yesterday out of 50 that didn’t obsess with Andy, I immediately dropped my new nickname and went back to using “taxes.�?

For starters, I didn’t have 50 posts. Not even close. Drinking affects math competency too, you know.

But it was too much for that pervert bon scott to leave me out of his obsessions, he is a mental case homo from way back after all, so I resume with the “Andy reHAB�? until the little degenerate gets off of my leg.

I’m DYING, Andy!! TOO funny! You just can’t get me out of your teeny tiny brain, can you?

And you’re still totally obsessed with sex.

It’s okay. You can be treated. Seek help.

By bon scott, Andy's Gay Stalker, If It Get's Worse, finchie Will Need To Check Into Andyhab, Again

November 1, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

The Republican base is extremely angry at the mainstream media. The media have ceased to be striped-shirted referees in the ring. This year, day after day, they have been throwing sucker punches aimed to help the Left. Nowadays, there is no trustworthy referee. Where a reasonably impartial press (tilting only slightly left) used to be, there is now only a passion to hurt a president in a time of war, the most dangerous war in our history. Republicans will be voting against the left-wing media, the left-wing courts, and the whole culture of the Left.

By Rich

November 1, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

Don’t know what happened with that link @ 11:46. I’ll try again

By nuff-said

November 1, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Most Americans are tired of the republican whack-job. “You can fool all of the people some of the time; and some of the people all the time. But you can’t fool all the people all the time.” A. Lincoln

By bon scott

November 1, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

By Paul - November 1, 2006 11:22 AM - So the question, if I am not pleased with the current situation, is, what do “you�? propose to do differently? Or will I merely vote to change parties and see no real difference in Iraq?

Very good question. It’s true that Democratic Party leaders aren’t of one mind on a plan. They vary from immediate withdrawl (not advisable) to a Shia Sunni Kurd partition (worth a look). One thing I hope a Democratic leadership would do is give more weight to Pentagon opinions. It’s clear that from the planning stages of the Iraq incursion, the Bush administration ignored the military’s advice on troop strength (send more), the Iraqi Army (don’t dismantle it) and reconstruction (oil won’t fund it) to name just a few.

What I don’t want is a Congress and a White House acting in concert to support a “stay the course” policy in Iraq that’s been an abject failure. Continuing failure should not be an option.

I also want to see the United States pay much more attention to what’s happening in Afghanistan and Pakistan. That’s where the real international terrorists who hate America are. The recent plot (foiled by the West) to sabotage Persian Gulf oil terminals was NOT hatched in Iraq. Throwing virtually all of our eggs into the Iraq basket, when Iraq wasn’t a threat to anyone but it’s neighbors, was a costly, deadly mistake that we’re still paying for. And yet Bush refuses to modify his “terror war” strategy. He’s too proud to admit that he’s made some catastrophic mistakes.

I believe that no one could do worse. Not even Democrats. Not even if they tried.

Vote the Bush GOP out November 7th.

By Plan B

November 1, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

Implement draft for all American males 18 through 44

Deploy 500,000+ troops to Iraq for deployment in and out of country

Carpet bomb all cities, towns and villages in Iraq thought to be harboring terrorists

Expand above campaign to Syria, Iran, Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon, Pakistan, Malaysia and anywhere else CIC deems necessary

Repeat as necessary

By getalife

November 1, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

“I said it was a botched joke. Of course, I’m sorry about a botched joke,” Kerry, who had refused to apologize on Tuesday, said on the “Imus in the Morning” radio show on MSNBC

There ya go.

Your turn W.

By @@

November 1, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

RW: I saw a different article on blacks in Maryland. I was rather partial to this comment from a black leader there:

“The [Democratic] Party acts as though when they want our opinion, they’ll give it to us.

They’re intelligent voters. I’m betting Kerry thinks THEY’RE stupid too.

Also, I would like to add Dennis Hopper to that list of hollywood conservatives. An “Easy Rider” American classic. No ranting and raving liberal like Tim Robbins who makes Sean Penn look sane by comparison.

By getalife

November 1, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

So eyebrows popped up last week when none other than Richard Perle , former Reagan assistant secretary of defense, former Bush brain-truster on the Defense Policy Board, and a key promoter of the war to find Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, blistered the administration as “dysfunctional” when it comes to stopping someone from bringing “a nuclear weapon or even nuclear material into the United States.”

Lets get real here folks.

The gop can’t protect their pages in their own house, how in the world are they going to protect you from terrorism?

By Dusty

November 1, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You already told us/me that.

But come on. Get mean. This is the Luckovich blog. Intellectualism is not tolerated here. And impartiality is strictly prohibited.

Unless you are writing a thesis or a report for “Editor & Publishing”, we will cancel your honorary membership here. “Shed a little blood” and maybe I will read about you in my own digest of interest “Laboratory Medicine”.

En guarde! And hurry. Departure is near. No spikes allowed.

By bon scott, Andy's Gay Stalker, If It Get's Worse, finchie Will Need To Check Into Andyhab, Again

November 1, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

By bon scott, Andy’s Gay Stalker October 31, 2006 04:43 PM By NightTrain - October 31, 2006 04:27 PM - The war is illegal how? If mom (the UN) tells the child (Iraq) that if he does not cleanup his room (follow the UN sanctions) then he will get a spanking (UN response). So far so good. But this is where your analogy falls apart. Mom (the UN) has been telling the child (Iraq) to clean up his room. The US (Uncle Sam) then offers to give the child (Iraq) a spanking. Mom (the UN) tells the Uncle (US) NOT TO TOUCH THAT CHILD! The Uncle, ignoring Mom, pounds the kid into a pulp. The Uncle has committed an illegal act. The Uncle chose to punish the child over the explicit objections of Mom. Get it? Furthermore, if the US is so hot to enforce UN resolutions, then it should immediately move to enforce Resolutions #242 and #338, calling for the return of all Israeli occupied lands to Jordan and Egypt. Get the picture? If the US wants to play UN enforcer, it CANNOT pick and choose what it will and won’t enforce! Simple as that. And before anyone accuses me of hating Israel, let me say I would have screamed to high heaven if anyone had forced the return of the occupied territories.

See what I mean, the first post from finch Andy Stalker all day long that didn’t mention my name, maybe his wife was looking over his shoulder, who the f knows?

By We’re Gonna…..Raise……Your……Taxes!!!! October 31, 2006 05:02 PM

The very next post from me I drop the warning about the Gay mofo.

By bon scott October 31, 2006 07:03 PM By drunken Andy loves Foley

A whole two hours without the que-er for Andy obsession, you must have been bursting at the seams, huh?

What’s up, is your wife ugly or what?

Effing little weirdo.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

Republican Impulse Control at 10:42 Not sure if you’re still reading or not - I’d invite anyone else to enlighten me on this:

You wrote, re: Iraq: “The problem is that all of these things will be very, very expensive and Republicans have been ‘cheaping it out’ from the get go in order to make the war more ‘palatable’ to the American voters”

As “pay as you go, don’t go cheap and don’t worry about making things palatable” seems to be cropping up regarding Democratic criticism on foreign policy, can you speculate on how the American public will pay (in dollars, time, inconvenience, jobs) for the following from the Democratic Party’s plan to secure America?:

Immediately implement the recommendations of the independent, bipartisan 9/11 Commission including securing national borders, ports, airports and mass transit systems. Screen 100% of containers and cargo bound for the U.S. in ships or airplanes at the point of origin and safeguard America’s nuclear and chemical plants, and food and water supplies. Prevent outsourcing of critical components of our national security infrastructure — such as ports, airports and mass transit — to foreign interests that put America at risk. Provide firefighters, emergency medical workers, police officers, and other workers on the front lines with the training, staffing, equipment and cutting-edge technology they need. Protect America from biological terrorism and pandemics, including the Avian flu, by investing in the public health infrastructure and training public health workers. Achieve energy independence for America by 2020 by eliminating reliance on oil from the Middle East and other unstable regions of the world. Increase production of alternate fuels from America’s heartland including biofuels, geothermal, clean coal, fuel cells, solar and wind; promote hybrid and flex fuel vehicle technology and manufacturing; enhance energy efficiency and conservation incentives.

By stu pidashols

November 1, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

Paul: You may not know this being new to the blog but I am both a very small child and a very large idiot. Talking to me only encourages me to dump even larger amounts of cut and paste bullsh-it on the blog, even if it has nothing to do with anything.

Do you honestly believe anything that comes out of my mouth about George Bush, Iraq or America? Am I not the most asinine thing that you have ever heard of?

Many people are hoping that I, a filthy mofo, will just dry up on the vine. Don’t pay me and my mindless spam any attention, maybe I will just go away.

By Truthman

November 1, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

Right on, John Kerry!!

None of Bush’s cronies has ever worn the uniform, but they find it very easy to send those less connected than they off to die for a barrel of oil!!

How I would love to see one of them on the front lines for a year!!!

They’d be a lot less eager to commit their war crimes!!

P.S. You go, Barbra!! Those of us who will be on the correct side of history salute you and you unabashed loathing of the Bush crime family and Cheney the Dark Lord!

Truthman

By bon scott's Wife Is A Dog, So The Gay Bait Stalks Me On The Internet, Great

November 1, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

“Sen. Kerry’s remarks were poorly worded and just plain stupid,” said Montana Senate President Jon Tester, a Democrat trying to unseat GOP Sen. Conrad Burns. “He owes our troops and their families an apology.” “I’m sorry he did what he did. But I think the issue … we want to make sure it doesn’t confuse the subject of the war in Iraq,” Democratic Rep. Ben Cardin, running for Senate in Maryland, said on CNN.

By getalife

November 1, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Try using “the google” on the Dems plan for Iraq.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

bon scott at 12:14 Thank you for one of the most thoughtful comments posted here in a long time.

Pakistan’s going to be tough. Musharraf opposition (jihadists & sympathizers) will be a nightmare for the West if they gain power. I’ll add Saudi Arabia to your list of those who hate America -

By black in maryland

November 1, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

Massuh @@ weez black fokes dont no nuffin bout no publikans. But dey sho sounds nice! yuuze sound nice to!

By son of black in maryland

November 1, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

STFU @@ you honkie b*tch!

By AL

November 1, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

Hey Mike, Where’s the John Kerry cartoon?

By Paul

November 1, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

Dusty at 12:21 Impartial? Nope. Open to change? Yup. Still trying to figure out who’s a one-note wonder around here? Yup. Looking for new info? Yup (as yesterday, learning of a resistance “movement” in N Korea - worthwhile time spent).

I still have my gladius from last night. Watch out, Dusty. :)

By Peoples for a New Amerika' Century

November 1, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

Kerry?

All this about Kerry having a slip up in a statement? So now the GOP goes running for the microphones to point fingers at Kerry for a verbal slip up.

Most reasonable people will clearly understand that a combat veteran like Kerry hates the current administration, but not our soldiers But who said the neocons were reasonable people?

OK, then same rules need to be applied:

(Bushism’s)

== Bush is a racist that hates blacks ==

“Do you have blacks, too?” —Bush, speaking to Brazilian President Fernando Henrique Cardoso. Source: Salon.com, “Bushed,” Jake Tapper, June 20, 2002

“It’s very interesting when you think about it, the slaves who left here to go to America, because of their steadfast and their religion and their belief in freedom, helped change America.”—Dakar, Senegal, July 8, 2003

== Bush supports oil company greed ==

“We need an energy bill that encourages consumption.”—Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002

== Bush hates the handicapped and vets ==

“As you can possibly see, I have an injury myself—not here at the hospital, but in combat with a cedar. I eventually won. The cedar gave me a little scratch.”—After visiting with wounded veterans from the Amputee Care Center of Brooke Army Medical Center, San Antonio, Texas, Jan. 1, 2006

“I’m honored to shake the hand of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein.”—Washington, D.C., May 25, 2004

“That’s why I went to the Congress last September and proposed fundamental—supplemental funding, which is money for armor and body parts and ammunition and fuel.”—Erie, Pa., Sept. 4, 2004

By Peoples for a New Amerika' Century

November 1, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

== Bush is a propagandist ==

“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.”—Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”—Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

== Bush is against national security and aids the terrorist ==

“[T]he best way to find these terrorists who hide in holes is to get people coming forth to describe the location of the hole, is to give clues and data.”

“But Iraq has—have got people there that are willing to kill, and they’re hard-nosed killers. And we will work with the Iraqis to secure their future.” —Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

“Security is the essential roadblock to achieving the road map to peace.”—Washington, D.C., July 25, 2003

“The ambassador and the general were briefing me on the—the vast majority of Iraqis want to live in a peaceful, free world. And we will find these people and we will bring them to justice.”—Washington, D.C., Oct. 27, 2003

== Bush is against education ==

“For all you C students out there, it’s amazing what can happen to you if you keep working hard.” —Bush, preparing to speak about Social Security at the University of Notre Dame, Indiana, March 4, 2005.

“I mean, there needs to be a wholesale effort against racial profiling, which is illiterate children.”—Second presidential debate, Oct. 11, 2000

== Bush wants to destroy the US Constitution ==

“The legislature’s job is to write law. It’s the executive branch’s job to interpret law.”—Austin, Texas, Nov. 22, 2000

So if Kerry’s quote is that bad, then I’m afraid Bush’s quotes are horrible.

Your so pitiful, you GOP mindless drones that follow the talking points of the radio talk shows rather than think for yourselves.

Now if only this Bush quote were actually true!

“One year ago today, the time for excuse-making has come to an end.”—Washington, D.C., Jan. 8, 2003

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

@@,

I like Michael Steele’s line from your link:

“Next Tuesday, we are all going to make history together. And I will be your next United States Senator.”

Sounds good to me.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

getalife at 12:27 I think bon scott gave the most accurate view at 12:14: there isn’t a unified plan. Each party official seems to have his/her own view (the Google answer).

I referenced the Democratic Party’s “Real Security” plan at 12:22 in another context. The closest I’ve found to an “official” position is there under “Iraq”

Ensure 2006 is a year of significant transition to full Iraqi sovereignty, with the Iraqis assuming primary responsibility for securing and governing their country and with the responsible redeployment of U.S. forces. Insist that Iraqis make the political compromises necessary to unite their country and defeat the insurgency; promote regional diplomacy; and strongly encourage our allies and other nations to play a constructive role.

Still doesn’t tell me “how” or set a viable counterstrategy to the Administration.

I’m amazed none of the Democratic partisans here have ever referenced this.

Oh yeah, for Dusty: Are you all idiots? Don’t you know what your own party stands for? Does it stand for anything?
Was that mean enough? I’ll put my gladius away, now.

By Peoples for a New Amerika' Century

November 1, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

Just how far away from reality is Bush?

“For a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times.”—Tokyo, Japan, Feb. 18, 2002

“Oh, no, we’re not going to have any casualties.” —President Bush, discussing the Iraq war with Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson, after Robertson told him he should prepare the American people for casualties.

“And as a result of the United States military, Taliban no longer is in existence.” —Bush, demonstrating a weak grasp on reality at a campaign stop in Springfield, Ohio on Sept. 27, 2004.

“I’m perfectly comfortable in telling you, our country is one that safeguards human rights and human dignity, and we resolve our disputes in a peaceful way.” —Bush, answering a Russian reporter’s question at a Feb. 24 appearance in Bratislava, Slovakia, with Russian President Vladimir Putin

The world is more peaceful and more free under my leadership.” Source: The Boston Globe, Oct. 29, 2003

So you dare take a soundbite of a misquote by Kerry and try and tell me based on that garbage that Kerry hates our troops?

Liars one and all! Pitiful just pitiful that the once proud GOP has come to this. An agenda of Propaganda rather than Progress. How sleazy!

By Goldie

November 1, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

You Neo-con trolls apparently forget that your guy Dubya agreed with Sen. Kerry in 2004:

Bush: U.S. Can’t Win War On Terror

How can you snakes continue to support Dubya who actually speaks the truth every now & then? He knows that the “war on terrra” can’t be won militarily, and yet he continues to let our troops die in Iraq, day after day. You’re all disgusting for still supporting this madman!

By N-GA

November 1, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

Sorry…busy day…this is probably my last post of the day (no applause, please).

RW,

If you hadn’t dropped out of school in the third grade you would have learned about something called “verb tense”. I posted:”…but they hate him so much that they won’t, even for one second, complement his work even as they interpret it to their own (pathetic) ideology.”

Note that I said “won’t”, so I was referring to what (neo)con bloggers might (or might not) post in FUTURE posts. You help make it so easy to show yourself as Stupid.

By getalife

November 1, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

Well, we have all witnessed all the failures, the scandals, the lies and the destruction of our country.

I have to ask. Do you really care about the country or is it all about the failed gop party. Do you continue to vote gop for more of the same, probably worse? Or do you vote for people that can actually govern this country?

I am not a Dem but I know they have governed this country much better than the gop ever will.

By @@

November 1, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

RW: I looooove Michael Steele. I’ve been watching for sometime now. In a debate with Cardin, he wanted to know why Cardin had failed to address the needs of Maryland blacks (was very specific) for the entire time he’s been in office. Steele is addressing local issues.

Cardin’s response? “I think we need to talk about Iraq, and your support for President Bush.”

Black in maryland & Son: Does your family shop at Wal-mart? I sure do.

Seems like your party got that one wrong too.

New Poll Confirms Political Risk to Candidates Who Join Union Leaders’ Attack Campaign Against Wal-Mart ; Only 1 Percent of Union Households Support as Top Issue

I really think your loyal (cough, cough) democrats are out in left field on too many issues of importance to ALL Americans. It’s all about them, and less about you.

By Dusty

November 1, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

psttt Paul,

Isn’t that “gladiolus”? (No Latin allowed.)

I strike a swordly spike. Bye now.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

Dusty Only when I pound my sword into a garden decoration. Then it’ll go alongside my tulipulus.

Later!

By getalife

November 1, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Since you have not figured out how to use “the google”

Shees.

By black in maryland

November 1, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

No massuh @@ we dont shop at no walmart weez just triing to get bi the white devils in dc makes us wurk long ouwers for pennees my boy is reel smart he thinks yooze and yur publikans r white devils

By Buy Danish

November 1, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

Uh, it’s “Compliment” not “complement”. I only point it out because you went on a “I’m so smart while RW only has a third grade education” binge.

MLs cartoons “complement” the Liberal/Left agenda.

There is nothing worth “complimenting” about MLs cartoon today. It’s just not funny.

By Goldie

November 1, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

Even Richard Perle, one of Dubya’s Neo-Con madmen, says the Repugnants don’t deserve to win in November:

“I think we have an administration today that is dysfunctional,” Perle said. “And if it can’t get itself together to organize a serious program for finding nuclear material on its way to the United States, then it ought to be replaced by an administration that can.”

The incompetent boobs in this administration can’t keep America safe, and even one of the Neo-Cons admits that now!

By Paul

November 1, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

getalife: Conducting a Google search with the exact phrase “Democratic Plan for Iraq” yields 399 hits. I will resist the temptation to remark “399 plans. Cool.”

The link you posted merely stated as of Feb 2006 Democrats were “beginning to coalesce around a plan to begin a quick withdrawal…” That was in Feb of 06. Any idea when they’ll stop “coalescing” and decide?

So if that’s the answer, a quick withdrawal of US forces, well, at least that’s a concrete point for discussion. Amazing, though, I don’t seem to hear Democratic Party leaders regularly including the phrase in their speeches.

Ironic the plan was authored by Lawrence Korb, a Republican. He was a gread assist SecDef. If there were more people with his views in the administration - or if he was listened to more - I do not think we’d have the mess we have.

By getalife

November 1, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Here Paul,

Maybe you can figure out how to click on this video

By Paul

November 1, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

I don’t know of many people at either end of the political spectrum who’d be too excited about how Richard Perle would keep America “safe.”

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Not to mention that the mountain goat (N-GA for those playing along at home) began with “I WAS sure” which certainly indicates past tense, before he moved on to future tense. I guess he was for the past before he was against it.

By Buy Danish

November 1, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

The administration is not up for re-election on Tuesday. It does not surprise me that you are confused about this, but Richard Perle should know better.

By Truthman

November 1, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Goodness, what a bunch of babies!!

Everybody in American, no matter how right, wrong, smart or stupid, is entitled to post their opinion on this blog!

Telling people of any stripe to STFU does not further the dialogue. It’s petty and shows a true lack of writing and communications skills.

As Jim Rome says, “Have a take and don’t suck!”

P.S. Anyone remember “Mission Accomplished?”

By @@

November 1, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

Black in maryland: You do realize that you are demeaning blacks with your “shuck & jive” posts, don’t you.

You’re applying an outdated stereotype to black Americans who have proven themselves to be much more than what you portray.

You’re insulting someone, but it’s not me.

By Buy Danish

November 1, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

RW,

Maybe there was a botched joke in there too amongst the botched sentences.

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Murtha just said that what Kerry said wasn’t a joke and he needs to apologize. Kind of puts you in a box doesn’t it?

By Paul

November 1, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

All that DNC commercial does is recap casualty counts, describe the current situation in Iraq and conclude with “It’s time we asked the Congress to stop acting like a rubber stamp and ask the hard questions on Iraq.”

Say What?!!? Their entire rationale for deserving election is because they will “ask the “hard” questions?” So we elect a Democratic Congress - what’s it gonna do - hold hearings and ask questions? Lotta people will die while they’re asking questions. So tell me - what will they do? Withdraw quickly, as you referenced in your earlier link?

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

Paul,

See if this helps you

By Goldie

November 1, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

“Murtha just said that what Kerry said wasn’t a joke and he needs to apologize.”

RW— just keep beating that dead horse, for lack of any better debate topics:

Kerry Apologizes for ‘A Botched Joke’

Americans aren’t listening to you Neo-Cons anymore.

By RE

November 1, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

Hey Paul,

Lots of people are dying while we stay the course and not ask questions.

And spending 2 billion a week

While the weapons we bought turn up in the hands of the militias

And no one can define “victory” or the “enemy”

By Goldie

November 1, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

I’ll help you trolls out with a good topic for debate:

A classified briefing prepared two weeks ago by the United States Central Command portrays Iraq as edging toward chaos, in a chart that the military is using as a barometer of civil conflict

Kinda conflicts with Dubya’s delusional statements that “we are winning in Iraq”, huh?

But, then again, Dubya admitted in 2004 that he didn’t think we could win — FLIP-FLOP!!

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Why don’t you pass that link along to Mothra? It wasn’t me that said it. By the way, Hillary Clinton just said so too, so you better get busy spreading the message.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

RW (the original) at 2:12

Ahhh, that’s better! I feel better now.

Seriously, I would think those on the Left would be extremely cautious - many of them remember (or at least should have read about) Nixon’s “I have a secret plan to end the Vietnam War.”

I suppose, too, after all the attacks on the Administration for the “cut and run” phraseology they’d have a difficult time explaining just what a “quick withdrawal of US forces” means.

By Goldie

November 1, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

“Pro-religion” women with their guns— I think I’m gonna hurl!

“I hope you enjoy this unique calendar and celebrate with us these wonderful leaders in the conservative movement,�? writes Michelle Easton, president of the “pro-America, pro-free enterprise, pro-religion and pro-family�? organization, in her introduction

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

You should watch some press briefings and try to keep yourself up to date. If you take that same snapshot today sectarian violence is down 23% and deaths from it are down 41%. So do we declare victory today, or do we do the realistic thing and not pretend we can judge a war by a one day snapshot?

By Vote for America - Vote Republican

November 1, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

Helloooooo AJC gang. Dropping some material off around the blogosphere.

You’ll wanna vote republican Nov. 7 when you read what isn’t said by Democrats.

WILL REPUBLICANS BE THEIR OWN WORST ENEMY?

Not if they get out and vote Republican Nov. 7th. STOP THE DEMOCRATS.

Have a great one people.

By John ;Mcenery, Jr.

November 1, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

John Kerry’s deplorable statement is no “joke,” as he now calls it. Rather,it is only one in a long list of derogatory remarks he has made toward our brave men and women who serve and have served our country. If there was ever a question as to why the majority of American’s did not elect him President, this is why, he is nothing but an arrogant putz!

Eight generations of my family have served in war, my own father served in two, I have nothing but the upmost respect for the sacrifices made by our servicemen, Kerry has respect only for himself.

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

Let’s see, after 24 hours of bluster Kerry says he left out “getting us” and he also claimed that he did say “in a war” which he didn’t say.

This morning he told Imus he left out one word, that being “us.”

Now he says he left out “getting us” and “just go ask President Bush”

Would anybody else like to see this magic note card he was reading from? No wonder he screwed up with that card constantly changing the printed word.

By Goldie

November 1, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

The Repugnants need to tell Dubya to STFU, if they want a chance to win next week:

Poll: Stumping not boosting Bush popularity

You know America’s in a bad state when most citizens no longer pay attention to the president!

By Paul

November 1, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

RE at 2:22 I said earlier my understanding of the Administrations’s definition of “enemy” is jihadists and “victory” is leaving Iraq with a functioning, representative government in place. They have recently stated they would use benchmarks/metrics/measures to define this. They would also pressure the Iraqi govt to show progress. PM Maliki has resisted this (whether through honest objections or as an effort to maintain his political base - which includes al-Sadr (sp).

So that’s the “plan” I get if I stay with Republican control. All I’ve tried to find out here, all day, is what is the Democratic “plan” that would convince me to vote them as the majority Congressional Party? So far I’ve heard:

there are a number of opinions as there are a number of leaders Democratic leadership is beginning to coalesce around a plan which would include a rapid withdrawal A Democratic majority would hold hearings and ask tough questions.

I realize some will vote for Anybody But Bush - but a number would appreciate a clearer explanation.

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Paul @ 2:26,

If they can’t remember Nixon they should just look back at Kerry’s Nixon imitation in 2004 when he kept saying he had a plan to stop soldiers from being killed, but said he wouldn’t tell anyone what it was unless we elected him.

Of course now we know he thinks they are just a bunch of dead enders with no hope or education anyway.

They sent him a response today

By Goldie

November 1, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

“You should watch some press briefings and try to keep yourself up to date.”

RW— seems like you oughta take that up with the U.S. Central Command, yes? It’s their memo, wingnut!

By getalife

November 1, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

“None of the Iraqi police are working to make their country better,” said Brig. Gen. Salah al-Ani, chief of police for the western half of Baghdad. “They’re working for the militias or to put money in their pocket.”

Change direction indeed.

By getalife

November 1, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

RW,

A desperate lie about Murtha.

Here is what he really said

Have you noticed everyone is talking about Iraq?

Brilliant move Kerry.

By @@

November 1, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

This was the next to last paragraph in Goldie’s NYT link.

“The chart does note some positive developments. Specifically, it notes that “hostile rhetoric�? by political (that includes Sadr) <—— ???, and religious leaders has not increased. It also notes that Iraqi security forces are refusing less often than in the past to take orders from the central government and that there has been a drop-off in mass desertions.” Coming together for…….?

Maybe Maliki is letting his people know that he’s in charge of Iraq’s future and not the U.S.. They’ve asked for a one year extension on the U.N. mandate allowing our military to train more Iraqis. Rumsfeld is in favor.

A political move to help stabilize?

By George

November 1, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

Goldie

Actually Kerry did a great thing by screwing up a joke since it keeps the conversation on Iraq and Bush, the two things the Republicans don’t want to talk about just before the elections. How bout this picture to keep the conversation flowing.

By RE

November 1, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

I may be mistaken, but even if the dems take both houses (unlikely) they still will not craft foriegn policy. They will be something other than a rubber stamp for any Bush policy however. Most plans I have heard so far have been for some type of redeployment. Unfortunately, no politician is going to clearly articulate a position this close to the election. So the Dems express themselves as being for some type of change or withdrawl, while republicans have pulled away from Stay the course and are now either putting out simplistic bumpersticker catch phrases usually including something about winning or victory.

I think the reality is that there is no good solution to Iraq, I think we should cut our losses and redeploy to Kurdistan. Let the Sunni and Shia fight it out amongst themselves. Besides, it may not be our decision on when to pull out, Al-Maliki has already stated he wanted US troops out.

The whole war, in retrospect, was a collosal mistake.

By bon scott

November 1, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

By Paul - November 1, 2006 02:42 PM - All I’ve tried to find out here, all day, is what is the Democratic “plan�? that would convince me to vote them as the majority Congressional Party?

Democratic Party leaders have said that, unlike their Bush GOP counterparts, they will pay attention to what the Pentagon thinks. They may not have a single comprehensive plan, but at least they’re willing to listen to experts. Together, they can devise a plan that will work, as opposed to the Bush plan that had the US being greeted with candy and flowers during it’s brief visit to Baghdad.

That’s good enough for me.

It’s amusing to see all the right wing hysteria over Kerry’s malaprop, when Bush has yet to apologize for the horrendous planning that got the US into this situation in the first place. “I made a mistake” is not in that man’s vocabulary.

Vote the Bush GOP out November 7th.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

RW at 2:46

So, to ask the Question that Seems to Define All: how many soldiers have died since 2004 because Kerry had a plan but wouldn’t tell?

By getalife

November 1, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

Here is your answer to the why Iraq question:

During an interview with conservative pundit Rush Limbaugh, US President George Bush expressed deep concerns about the possibility of the United States leaving the Middle East, raising fears that extremists could topple governments to “control oil resources.”

Finally, w tells the truth about Iraq. Mike can draw the names of the fallen to spell “oil” to answer the “why” drawing.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 1, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

Claire McCaskill’s, democrat, campaign called on Sen. John Kerry to apologize. “[McCaskill] said it’s a dumb thing to say and he should apologize,” said McCaskill spokeswoman Adrainne Marsh.

By bon scott

November 1, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

By RE - November 1, 2006 03:02 PM - I think we should cut our losses and redeploy to Kurdistan. Let the Sunni and Shia fight it out amongst themselves.

A radical plan that would be dangerous (for Iraqis) in the short term, but could be highly productive in the end.

Bush and Co. made a terrible mistake when they invaded Iraq without organizing a true “coalition of the willing” (as Bush 41 did for the Gulf War). If Iraq sinks into genuine civil war, then the UN, the EU, the Arab League or NATO (pick one or all) can step in and enforce a genuine peace.

But I don’t expect the Bush GOP to give this idea the time of day. Not because it wouldn’t work. Because a) they didn’t think of it, and b) adopting it would be admitting they were wrong.

Just a thought.

Vote the Bush GOP out November 7th.

By Goldie

November 1, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this

“I think the reality is that there is no good solution to Iraq, I think we should cut our losses and redeploy to Kurdistan.”

RE— I think you’re right. It’s like pouring water into the dirt… it’s a muddy mess and there’s no getting the water back out!

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Goldielocks @ 2:47,

Try to read this slowly on the off chance you can comprehend it.

I’m not disputing the chart, only pointing out it is a snapshot and a snapshot done today would look different.

You are claiming Kerry apologized, but nobody seems to think so, including Mothra, Clinton, and probably even Kerry.

By getalife

November 1, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Here is the new gop plan:

“The U.S. Department of Defense is creating a Public Affairs “rapid response team” to respond to what it sees as unfair or inaccurate coverage.”

Just need better propaganda to feed the base .

Amazing.

By Goldie

November 1, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

“It’s amusing to see all the right wing hysteria over Kerry’s malaprop”

Bon scott— and how quickly the Repugnants forgave Dubya’s joke of “Bring ‘em on!” Compare Dubya’s joke with how many of our troops have been killed because of his “joke” — Sen. Kerry misused some words in his bad joke, but he has yet to cause any of our troops to die for his words!

By Paul

November 1, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

RE 3:02 I can nod in understanding all through paragraph one. The majority can always excercise the power of the purse - cut appropriations in support of operation - but rarely do we see any politician do that. They could call for that now but haven’t.

Redeployment: I’d have to ask - why anywhere in the region? Aside from the problem of continuing to be a magnet for attention it seems we never leave many places. Remember, even Kerry didn’t support a redeployment from Korea and Germany (I suppose those holiday retreats made great destinations for fact-finding trips). The continuing problem, though, will continue to be Iran -

bon scott at 3:03 with the exception of prewar planning I’m not aware of how the military hasn’t received what it’s asked for from this administration.

I do think that on part of the prewar (attack) planning Rumsfeld was on target. Army/Air Force planners essentially drew up Desert Storm II - long on an extended air campaign, larger buildup of traditional forces, lower integration of special operations. That was all part of his rocky relationship with the generals.

Much of the post-attack phase assessment was based upon blown intel and, I believe, poor work by State. This country does not really have a concept, agency, or executable “plan” for building a country’s political institutions from the ground up, particularly when a “foreign” conservative religious tradition is involved.

By Goldie

November 1, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

Another good topic worth debating: why are so many veterans running for Congress as Democrats? Are these veterans all about “cut-n-run”?

Angry over Iraq war, veterans launching congressional runs

By RE

November 1, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

ANyone remember GWB’s joke at one of the gridiron dinners, he walks around the stage saying “where are those weapons of mass destruction….under the table? nope not there”

HAHA, guess the reason we went to war was wrong. His idea of humor

By getalife

November 1, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

“The whole war, in retrospect, was a collosal mistake.”

And they are not man enough to admit it.

Cowards.

By Thomas

November 1, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

Paul -

Personally I think troop reductions in Iraq, with fallbacks to secured bases outside of major cities, and fallbacks to Kuwait would be a good agenda in Iraq. Basically backing the troops out of the way forcing the Iraqi’s to start handling their own affairs, yet close enough to make quick strikes and assaults should an actual military threat to overthrow the new government come up.

But understand this Paul. It doesn’t matter what plan the democrats come up with (even if they do end up with power in congress after Tuesday, because whatever the Democrats put on the table will be vetoed by Bush. After all, Bush and his buddys are the ones that control what happens to Iraq and it’s oil!

Democrats could make plans about Iraq all year, and none of them would pass the pen of Bush. So why should the Dems even bother?

Thomas

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

getalife,

That was an awfully short interview you and Think Progress are pointing to. Almost enough to make you think they clipped out the part where Mothra said Kerry wasn’t joking and should apologize.

Here’s a video of him to keep you occupied while I find his statement. Go Diana!

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 1, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

By RE November 1, 2006 03:44 PM ANyone remember GWB’s joke at one of the gridiron dinners, he walks around the stage saying “where are those weapons of mass destruction….under the table? nope not there�?

REbot: I think the major difference between Bush and Kerry’s remarks is that Kerry wasn’t joking like Bush was-

At times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan

This as-shole has been hating on the troops for a long time.

Slandering our soldiers is a sport for you left wing degenerates.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

Well Hello Goldie

We were given a cite earlier in the day to the Democratic web site where we read:

Democratic Party leaders are beginning to coalesce around a broad plan to begin a quick withdrawal of US troops and install them elsewhere in the region, where they could respond to emergencies in Iraq and help fight terrorism in other countries.

While I know it says “begin a quick withdrawal” and not “complete a quick withdrawal” could you please explain (given your 3:38 post) how this differs from cutting our losses and (quick=run) leaving the country? BTW - I’m not sure who else in the region would want us to shift our forces there or what would constitute an “emergency” - seems they have some every day.

By getalife

November 1, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

RW,

Once again, where in Kerry’s comment does it say anything about the troops?

It doesn’t and you know it.

Admit it.

By RE

November 1, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

The only Plan I have heard from GWB has been that future presidents will decide when to leave Iraq.

I can understand why, when this war ends in failure, GWB is think about who to push the blame on. There are many out there, several here on this blog who will gladly blame others for this mistaken war.

“We would have one in Iraq if only the…(democrats, liberal media, hollywood elite… insert your own strawman here) hadn’t pulled out.”

Rough estimate. If we do stay the course in Iraq until Bush leaves office, about 26 months, it will cost us an additional 2080 soldiers (ave 80/mo) and 224 billion dollars, assuming we do not spend more than 2 billion a week.

What end goal is worth the cost?

By Buy Danish

November 1, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

Democrats could make plans about Iraq all year, and none of them would pass the pen of Bush. So why should the Dems even bother?

More brilliant wisdom^^ from Thomas. If Libs take his sage advice Republicans will have a nice victory on Tuesday. If Republicans took his advice Al Qaeda would be celebrating.

Thomas,

Just a suggestion - don’t get in the advice business.

By RE

November 1, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

Andy, could you get us together a little list of all the war heros currenlty involved in this administration?

Why do you support draft dodgers?

By Paul

November 1, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

Thomas at 3:49

That may very well be the best way out. If we put any more troops into Qatar it’ll sink. Not many other options as far as location. I rather think any threat to the government would take a subtle form, such as “security agreements” between Iran and, if not the Iraq government, then political groupings within Iraq.

Whether a plan was vetoed (or a resolution of “Sense of Congress” ignored) it would get the Democratic Party on record with something concrete they could point to in 2008. That would be a far cry better than the continuing rehash of history.

By getalife

November 1, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

Paul,

What will we win in Iraq?

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Do you think Kerry meant that if you don’t study hard you will turn into an Iraqi goat farmer?

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 1, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

Consider this: If the best the democrats can do to spin the most recent John Kerry gunshot wound to their as-ses is to tell everyone that he really meant to say “Bush,” just think of how lamely they would run the country.

And then vote Republican.

By getalife

November 1, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

Boner on CNN defending Rumsfeld is pathetic.

Why do they reward failures?

He should of been gone after the torture in Abu Grahib.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

getalife at 4:16

If what?

Several options have been discussed in the last few minutes, with different possible outcomes.

If US forces redeploy to Kurdistan or some other location, on call to intervene in an emergency, what will we have “won’?

If we continue to maintain a presence and leave not until a functioning government is in place, leaving behind logistal capability, what will we have won?

If we have a Democratic Congress that proposes or forces not much change, what will we have won?

If we just say “so long” and leave the region, what will we have won?

Each scenario has a different answer.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 1, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

By RE November 1, 2006 04:09 PM Andy, could you get us together a little list of all the war heros currenlty involved in this administration?

Gee, let’s compare war heros- John Kerry who’s sole contribution in Vietnam was to shoot an unarmed fleeing child in the back and to unnecessarily burden the medical corpsman in his unit versus Donald Rumsfeld who took Saddam out.

Gosh, this is a tough one.

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

John Kerry caves in and gives what passes for an apology to Democrats.

Of course what he is really saying to the troops is that if they are stupid enough to have misunderstood his words, he apologizes. Isn’t calling them stupid what started this whole thing?

By Goldie

November 1, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

I’m still wondering what you trolls think about all these Iraq vets running for Congress as Democrats? Bueller, Bueller…

Wounded Iraq veteran running for Congress on anti-war platform

What would these vets know that Rumsfeld may not know? Bueller, Bueller…

By Thomas

November 1, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

Paul —

The big issue is going to be later after we finally back up some from Iraq. It will then be up to the Iraqi’s how to run their countries affairs.

Lets say your right, and the Shia factions in Iraq’s Government decide to become buddies with Iran. What would the USA do? Would we go running back in to attempt to force their government to bend to OUR will?, Or would we bite the bullet and accept their sovereign rights to run their own country?

This should definitly be interesting to watch in the next decade.

I personally say that we should step out of the way and let them determine their own destiny, otherwise it becomes a puppet regime to the USA, and for all the wrong reasons too.

Thomas

By getalife

November 1, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

Nevermind Paul.

I guess the question was too complicated for you to answer.

RW,

You did not show me where Kerry said anything about the troops.

Waiting……………………

By Huge

November 1, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

Wow, you miss a lot of fun here when you’re gone for a couple of days!

As best I can tell, the neo-cons are shaking like Limbaugh doing his best Michael J. Fox imitation over the state of the pending elections. Even the only couple of moderate repubs here seem have gone off the deep end and appear utterly desperate, grabbing for any straw that comes their way, like Kerry’s verbal faux pas.

That’s probably a good thing. As much as anything except Iraq, I believe this election is going to be a referendum about the party in power who has had countless opportunities to accomplish so much good, but have consistently underperformed and overstated their successes. Of course, it’s not entirely their fault, but American people want results not excuses.

Ironically, they are probably going to get hammered from two sides this election. Obviously, centrists, moderates, liberals, democrats, etc. will vote overwhelmingly to end or at least minimize the neo-con agenda. And their core base, the religious right is probably going to sit this one out to a great degree because they aren’t rabid enough!

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

The military members that support the war are still in the military or have moved on with their private goals and dreams. The malcontents that don’t support the war and that see politics as a life time goal get out and immediately run for office. The latter group are mostly Democrats.

I think everyone was being kind to you by not embarrassing you with an answer the first time.

By getalife

November 1, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

“It is clear the Republican Party would rather talk about anything but their failed security policy. I don’t want my verbal slip to be a diversion from the real issues. I will continue to fight for a change of course to provide real security for our country, and a winning strategy for our troops”

Mission Accomplished.

By getalife

November 1, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

“College, rising health care costs and higher prices for everything from food to fuel are the issues that millions of American middle-income families are up against. Here’s your answer: Stop voting for Republicans.”

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

getalife,

As you well know Kerry didn’t name anyone so the only thing you can do is analyze his words. When he tells a group of young people to study or get stuck in Iraq, it’s pretty clear that those words imply he’s talking about the troops. He should have gotten a clue when the kids on the stage looked appalled by the comment and fixed it right then and there.

Since he didn’t, it’s obviously what he meant and the rest is just spin.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

getalife at 4:16

Okay, I’ll take your question as “off the top of your head, what’s the best that could happen?”

Sooner, rather than later, Iraq has a functioning government and infrastructure.

Iraq seals it’s borders and shuts out foreign insurgents.

The militias are crushed. Terrorist acts or association with militias is made a capital offense.

A strong central government emerges with Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis cooperating out of self interest. Failing that, a confederation is established with parties cooperating out of self interest.

An education system is established, with equal access and requirements for males and females. Secular knowledge is empasized over religious instruction.

Expanding economic prosperity lessens the hopelessness that is a recruiting tool for jihadists.

Investment is made in industries other than petroleum. Secondary and higher education is geared towards these new industries.

Women are granted equal rights and access to jobs and political participation.

Iraq’s oil industry comes back on line and leads the way in raising the price to $180 a barrel to force the US to source alternate energy sources. Wind turbines spoil Kennedy’s view.

The example of full political participation and an expanding jobs base forments unrest among Iran’s younger generation and eliminates the grip of the mullahs on the political system.

Iraq recognizes Israel’s right to exist.

The representative government of Iraq strengthens ties with Jordan, Turkey, and Egypt and presses for democratic reforms among the monarchies.

I’d consider some of that a “win.”

By Goldie

November 1, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

“The malcontents that don’t support the war and that see politics as a life time goal get out and immediately run for office. The latter group are mostly Democrats.”

Wow, RW— you’re really one to “support the troops”, aren’t you? You’re quite disgusting, actually.

Could be that those who actually serve America in a time of war know what it’s like to be on the receiving end of a Repugnant agenda… cutting VA benefits, reservists being called up for 3 and 4 terms of war duty, paying civilian contractors thousands of $$ more than our troops to do equal work, not supplying the troops with enough equipment or manpower BEFORE INVADING ANOTHER COUNTRY…

You should listen to what some returning vets are saying, RW — instead of insulting them for not supporting your political affiliation.

By Thomas

November 1, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this

Heil Danish of da’ Fatherlund -

First off — Wisdom or not, it is my opinion and not some talking point from the GOP playbook (You know - the playbook you like to use daily?).

I am not giving advice to anyone here and don’t intend to give advice, people pay me for that as a consultant! Last time I checked, no one here is paying me so - No Soup (or advice) for YOU!… Opinions on teh other hand I will hand out freely!

On WSB last night I hear Hannity talking about how Bush’s grades were higher than Kerry’s, and then here you are on this blog repeating (parroting) that exact same non-issue. Early on in the blog too.

(BD follows Hannity and the GOP Playbook rhetoric and Propaganda to the letter like a good little soldier. Check!)

Later on you post some nonsense (1:47) to Goldie saying “The administration is not up for re-election on Tuesday.” And you did this in reference to the Kerry hack job that the GOP spinbots are currently dishing out on Fox and other RightWing mis-information channels of attack.

Need I remind you the Kerry is not running for office on Tuesday either? So what if Kerry had a single “Bushism” moment. Bush has had many!

It’s a shame the GOP waste their time on a Soundbite, yet seem to have no interest in discussing real world issues in this campaign. Just goes to show you that the GOP could care less about health, economy, war, world affairs, and other important topics. Noo they have to trash Kerry because - they like doing that instead of running the country and “DOING THEIR JOB!”

The GOP has failed in their duties, and a house cleaning is in order! And personally I don’t care if you do vote in more republicans, just make sure they do their job this time and not rubberstamp bad policy.

Thomas

By getalife

November 1, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

Whoa Paul.

An Iraqi Utopian society.

You sound like a lib.

Reality check dude.

Read the history about Iraq and you will see your Utopian dream will never happen.

They will ally with Iran and continue to be our enemy unless we make peace with Iran.

Their culture is all about revenge and this culture breeds terrorism.

By Goldie

November 1, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

Uh-oh, the Macaca-hater is in a heap o’ trouble now:

Allen’s campaign is defending their actions, saying stark was being aggressive and asking “inappropriate questions.”

So a choke-hold is appropriate if someone asks “inappropriate questions”? What a bunch of Mafia-goons!

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

I do listen to returning troops, you ought to come out and greet them once in a while.

When a returned soldier testifies in front of Congress that the troops he left behind are nothing but deranged murderers I lose any respect for him. When that same returned soldier goes to France and meets in secret with our enemy I think he should be hanged by the neck until dead, not serving in the US Senate.

By bon scott

November 1, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

By any name I’m still Andy - November 1, 2006 04:28 PM - Gee, let’s compare war heros- John Kerry (who actually served) versus Donald Rumsfeld… Gosh, this is a tough one.

Actually it’s a no-brainer. John Kerry served his nation honorably, and didn’t sink an entire nation into anarchy and civil war, resulting in 100s of thousands of deaths.

Rumsfeld did.

By Buy Danish

November 1, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this

RW,

I can’t find an “apology” anywhere in Kerry’s latest blunder, err, statement. All I found is “regret” that his words were “misinterpreted”, and it wasn’t “sincere” in the least.

Getalife,

It seems to me that Kerry’s “verbal slip” is really a “Freudian slip” in the sense that his true feelings about the military accidentally “slipped out”.

By Thomas

November 1, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this

Hey Goldie!

RW forgets a certain letter from Kevin Tillman that he recently posted about the reasons he and his brother joined the military, and why he feels cheated because they were used in the “PNAC Iraq war for oil”, now doesn’t he?

(and I thought that elephants never forgot!)

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019afterpats_birthday/

But then again I think RW gets paid by the GOP to blog and spin. After all, how else can you explain his constant denial and deriding of “War Heros” and “our troops” when they speak out aginst this war from their personal experiences in Iraq?

Spin Spam - Flim Flam!

By Huge

November 1, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

“could you get us together a little list of all the war heros currenlty involved in this administration?”

RE, that would be a list with no names on it! (There is McCain but he’s a RINO.)

Almost without exception, ONLY democrats in DC have served this nation in time of war. Many with distinction, courage and valor. I have posted a link here before with many, many of those names on it. (The old guard repubs, men who put their money where their mouths were, like GHWB and Ike are long gone and replaced with the likes of Reagan, Bush and Cheney, and countless other chickenhawks.)

These characteristics seem to be at odds with the neo-con experience of our leaders and their supporters who mainly stayed home, where it was safe and warm, and read about the war overseas.

Their lack of courage and conviction is probably one of the big reasons why they have completely botched the job in Iraq. No useful experiences. Just lip service.

Notwithstanding RW’s dubious assertion that only the malcontents seek politics after volunteering for combat. And even so, maybe they know a helluva lot more than him or the rest of us.

But for the chickenhawks and their mindless rabble to treat men like Chambliss, Murtha, Kerry, et al like dirt, to dishonor them at every turn, to dismiss their sacrifices and drag their names through the mud flies in the face of their so-called patriotism. Maybe they are the true traitors…

By bon scott

November 1, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this

By Paul - November 1, 2006 03:35 PM - bon scott at 3:03 with the exception of prewar planning I’m not aware of how the military hasn’t received what it’s asked for from this administration.

Pentagon officials have spoken off the record and retired ones on the record saying that the Bush administration has repeatedly rejected requests for more troops and materiel.

Rumsfeld once said something about being only as good as the Army you have? In this case, the US in Iraq was only as good as the tools that were given them by Bush and Co.

Throw the Bush GOP out. Vote for the Democratic Party on November 7th.

By Thomas

November 1, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this

Getalife —

actually I doubt they will ally with Iran either. I predict a more realistic outcome of internal squabbling and then they will be back to faction and tribal fighting just like they have been doing for over 3000 years.

Yah know — they seem to be more partisan than we are — go figure!

By Cal

November 1, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this

Here’s advice for Thomas. The next time your party nominates a candidate for prez,(2004) make sure he isn’t born to lose through a lack of character.

What the hell do the Kerrys of this world know about peoples needs? They don’t. They want the people to feed their overblown egos so they can call you and the people who protect you, stupid.

By Peoples for a New Amerika' Century

November 1, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

Huge My Man.

So your basically saying that McCain is the GOP’s Token War hero.

Too Damn funny.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this

Getalife at 5:14

Whoa getalife!

You’d asked earlier “what will we win in Iraq?”

I just ran with it - tossed out a few good outcomes.

I suppose granting women equal rights, political access and educational opportunities sounds like a lib (or a blasphemer) to mullahs - but to contributors to this forum?

Working towards nonreliance on Middle East petroleum so we can lessen our involvement there is a lib position?

Breaking apart the monarchies, mullahs et al who fuel the jihadists is a lib position?

I’m a tad familiar with Iraq’s history - and wonder if the people’s expectation, cultivated during Saddam’s repression, was not to have more repression from the religious fanatics.

Realistic? Who knows? Go back 30 years anywhere, list today’s condition and question if it’s realistic.

Don’t know about making “peace with Iran.” Seems to me their leadership is pretty absolutist in their desire to wipe out Israel and possibly provide nuclear capability to jihadists. The under-30 Internet-connected crowd may be the best “group” to work with.

The “culture” you speak of is, I believe, very real - but not pervasive.

Too bad it’s so late in the day when the fun discussion kicks off.

Gotta finish up a project. More tomorrow.

By RE

November 1, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

Good call Andy, Rumsfeld sure is a hero. I understand he put in for a purple heart after he got a papercut while sitting behind his desk.

True american hero!

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 1, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

By Huge November 1, 2006 05:23 PM (The old guard repubs, men who put their money where their mouths were, like GHWB and Ike are long gone and replaced with the likes of Reagan, Bush and Cheney, and countless other chickenhawks.)

Reagan, God Bless His Soul, as MILITARY COMMANDER IN CHEIF, single handedly took out the Soviet Union, the same Soviet Union that democrat after democrat administration cowered before them like dogs.

Victory does not a pinko war hero make.

Listening to the libs discuss military history is like listening to gays discuss childbirth.

They have no idea.

By stu pidashols

November 1, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

“It seems to me that Allen’s “verbal slip�? about macaca is really a “Freudian slip�? in the sense that his true feelings about blacks accidentally “slipped out�?.”

By getalife

November 1, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

I believe RW is a paid hack for the gop too.

Damn shame he sold out to the man.

By Buy Danish

November 1, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

Are you a devoted follower of Darwin? If the answer is “Yes!” I’ll fill you in on some information about Hitler (you know - Der Fuhrer) and how he seized upon Darwinism as an excuse for his very own natural selection process.

My comment about your “advice” was a joke. It did not require a 23 paragraph speech.

I don’t need talking points. Indeed today I posted something to Little Debbie Yellowcake over at Wooten’s and not 10 minutes later I heard George Bush saying much the same thing. Do you think Bush get’s his talking points from me?

I have a pretty good memory when it comes to John Kerry. I remember the grades issue clearly from the last Presidential Election.

You know - the one that Bush won and Kerry lost.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 1, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this

By RE November 1, 2006 05:36 PM Good call Andy, Rumsfeld sure is a hero. I understand he put in for a purple heart after he got a papercut while sitting behind his desk.

REbot: Actually, I believe Rumsfeld has a little bit more respect for the traditions and honors of the military than to seek an award for a cut that only required a bandaid.

You’re probably thinking of Kerry, you blooming idiot.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 1, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this

How true:

To a self-consumed creature like John Kerry, who has providentially married two of the wealthiest women in the world, even love is too hard an emotion to understand—much less loyalty, honor, patriotism and the other virtues that cause brave souls to dare all and to risk all, including their lives, for their friends and their nation.

By getalife

November 1, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Poor Ann the man:

“WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. Conservative columnist Ann Coulter has refused to cooperate in an investigation into whether she voted in the wrong precinct, so the case will probably be turned over to prosecutors, Palm Beach County’s elections chief said Wednesday.

Knowingly voting in the wrong precinct is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.”

They will put her in a men’s prison and the gop will be shocked, shocked I said.

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Hugo,

Mothra has all kinds of problems with his ethics in Washington

Kerry should at the very least be ineligible to hold office.

What’s the problem with Saxby?

By RE

November 1, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this

Paul…what a list.

I don’t want to list out point by point but, lets see.

Iraq has a functioning govt. and infrastructure; It is possible, maybe 2 years for the govt, 5-10 for infrastructure.

Seals its borders; maybe possible in 5 years without foriegn troops

Militias crushed and terrorism condemded. Not likely at any point in the future, the kurds will never abandon thier own militia, unlikely the shia or sunni will either. Although I bet there will be lots of capital offenses when the court system gets going

Strong central govt, no chance. Possibility of a loose confederation though, but the current govt would be overthrown first.

Secular education with equal access…come on, that is not happening any time soon. Maybe 30 years from now.

Iraq recognizes Israel…. again, maybe in 30 years.

It all seems a little farfetched to me

By Paul

November 1, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

getalife at 5:49 just glanced back over (I run a couple of monitors) -

“they will put her in a men’s prison”

As I’ve said before - no problem - Ann Coulter is Howard Dean in drag -

Now about that prison…

By Thomas

November 1, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

Cal —-

I have nothing to do with deciding who’s nominated in any party. But if I did have the option, I might recommend a true soldier and patriot like Kevin Tillman for President.

I know he’d be strong on military issues seeing as he signed up (volunteered) after 9-11 to fight the Taliban in Afghanistan.

I also know he would be conservative with our troops and not abuse them in places like Iraq.

And I know he would speak out for injustice and wrongs as he did in his letter.

There’s my nomination for a man of “Good Character”, but your spin doctors would find some way to trash his character just like you did to Cindy Sheehan who also lost her son to defend the Bushco’ Oil interest.

What did Cindy ever do to deserve the trash job the GOP did to her? She lost her son, and she protested the injustice of war as is her american rights. Yet neocon chickenhawks who have never served call her traitor.

The GOP only has an illusion of “Good Character”. The truth of their character is hidden behind lies and spin.

But then again when you talk of Character, I see that your character is only to impugne others of good character here when you can. Isn’t it?

Thomas

By Buy Danish

November 1, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this

{{{Here’s advice for Thomas. The next time your party nominates a candidate for prez,(2004) make sure he isn’t born to lose through a lack of character.}}}

Cal at 7:30,

When their party base is comprised of people like Thomas, Huge and Goldie, and the Clinton’s are the money engine, it’s a bit tough for them to discern “character” well enough to nominate it.

By RE

November 1, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

Commander Rumsfeld of the 101st fighting Desk Jockeys….Andy’s hero

Cut and Run Ronny Reagan, Andy’s other hero (and man crush?) He kept the training films of the United States safe from Nazi occupation.

Quite a standard of heroism there.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 1, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

How true:

And why is the supposedly lame Bush so careful in speech, and the self-acclaimed geniuses like a Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, or Howard Dean serially spouting ever more stupidities? For all the Democrats’ criticism of George Bush, I can’t think of a modern President who has so infrequently put his foot in his public mouth, and, by the same token, can’t think of any opposition that on the eve of elections seems to have an almost pathological death wish.

By getalife

November 1, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this

I would say Paul is high or lives in la, la land.

How about Iraq the way it was before we broke it.

Powell was right but they fired him.

By Buy Danish

November 1, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this

Cal,

Andy’s 5:47 from Human Events explains the “character” problem really well.

STUpid,

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 1, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

How true:

If he’s not putting his foot in his mouth, he’s attempting to extract it, as he is again this morning, trying to blame everyone but himself for his outrageous defamation of America’s fighting forces, slurring them as unproficient, shallow-minded cannon fodder. Stuck with whom, Senator? All those losers, rejects and unenlightened simpletons who left their homes and loved ones not because of any sense of duty and honor, but because they screwed up in the classroom? Was that your point, senator?-BostonHerald

By Buy Danish

November 1, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

{{{What did Cindy ever do to deserve the trash job the GOP did to her?}}}

Oh please.

Thomas the weeping whiner,

She did plenty. Do you really want to review her many slanderous and treasonous statements and actions?

Her son WAS a hero. Her son’s heroics do not immunize her from well-deserved criticism.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 1, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

REbot: Reagan, God Bless His Soul, didn’t fire a shot and the Soviet Union collapsed upon itself. Not one soldier lost and a great enemy vanquished. If you weren’t all ate up with partisan ignorance, you too would call Reagan a hero.

I know you liberals have no concept of how wars are fought and won, you proved that in Vietnam, but our troops just don’t wade ashore and start killing the first thing they see.

They have to have a plan, objectives and a mission.

Rumsfeld, taking Iraq out in 3 weeks, something Iran, the terrible, horrible death trap awaiting America, couldn’t do in ten years.

Silly a-ss.

By Huge

November 1, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

“Reagan, God Bless His Soul, as MILITARY COMMANDER IN CHEIF, single handedly took out the Soviet Union, the same Soviet Union that democrat after democrat administration cowered before them like dogs.”

The poor dolt. Even Nixon said Ronnie Raygun was one of multiple factors, and not even the greatest one, in the USSR’s demise. I’ve posted that and many other confirming references before but it’s hopeless to get those who won’t open their eyes to see anything. Or those whose brains are closed to learn anything.

And his administration was notable for it’s coddling of numerous dictators around the world, Iran-Contra, starting a failed war on drugs, completely turning his back on AIDS, reduced individual liberties, and of course, the ever popular star wars plan/SDI. But he did make some so-so war movies when the big one was going on…

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this

Dear GOP, where the hell is my check?

Thomas the Incredibly Monotonous Talk Engine,

Would you please provide some evidence of the GOP tormenting Cindy Sheehan and calling her a traitor? Thank you!

By Thomas

November 1, 2006 06:19 PM | Link to this

Yes -

Buy Danish —

You are definitly quite a character here!

Reminds me of a character in a Cartoon though.

One that thought the sky was falling. Or was it the little piggy that built his house out of StrawMen? Or perhaps it was that Coyote that thought he was a “Supra-Genius!”.

In either case - you like to trash integrity if it doesn’t fit into your narrow minded scope of how the world should be. You have no problem trashing people of good character!

Character? What have you done lately for the good of mankind? I know what I have done, and I am damn proud of it thank you!

Would it disturb you to know that I am an Eagle Scout (BSA) - and that I have saved a mans life at the risk of my own? (and I thank the training I got in Boy Scouts at that accomplishment.)

There are other acts of heroism that I have done, but that doesn’t matter here. Nor should it!

Go back to RW’s Pig-Pen website and plan your attacks on ML and his blog for tomorrow. It seems to be your daily mission.

I am going home!

But - “I’ll be back!”

Thomas

By Huge

November 1, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

“What’s the problem with Saxby?”

RW, oh nothing really; just the TV ads that paired images of Cleland and Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, and for questioning the commitment to homeland security of his opponent, a triple amputee and decorated Vietnam veteran.

Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona said of one ad, “It’s worse than disgraceful, it’s reprehensible;” Republican Senator Chuck Hagel of Nebraska said the ads were “beyond offensive to me.”

Oh yeah, both of those guys were not chickenhawks, unlike Chambliss they actually served their nation in time of war.

And BTW, shame on you for asking. You’re such a bright guy and have so much to offer, but your neo-con hyper-partisanship is just killing you, man!

I know this coming week is going to suck for the very far right but you’re really looking silly by grabbing at all of this Kerry hate’s the troops garbage. It completely discounts your objectiveness and credibility.

By Paul

November 1, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this

RE 5:51 getalife at 6:01

Context was getalife’s question of what would constitute a win. I tossed out a few results I would consider a “win.” No time limits. To mundane details on how to get there. No limits on if it seems possible, doable, or realistic as we now understand the situation.

Your responses remind me of State’s criticism of Reagan when he wrote his “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall” section. It’d never happen. Or our own country - universal suffrage, equal rights for the races, anyone? How about Kennedy’s “landing on the moon” idea? Cure for polio, anyone? An Arab state recognizing/closing in with Israel? In 30 years? Remember Sadat? Non-petroleum sources? Ever read a journal article from the turn of the 19th century about the impending disaster because of the exhaustion of whale oil?

I expected a bit more thought before the kneejerk dismissals started. Then again, lots of posts are about what can’t be done.

By getalife

November 1, 2006 06:22 PM | Link to this

Reagen said it right.

“Government is the problem.”

Amen.

By RE

November 1, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

You are so touchy about Reagan, it is kinda cute to see how much he means to you.

Ohh, on your comment about how liberals don’t know anything about war, could you tell me what the following are in Iraq;

“They have to have a plan, objectives and a mission”

And, when do you think that might be done by?

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 1, 2006 06:27 PM | Link to this

By Huge November 1, 2006 06:12 PM Or those whose brains are closed to learn anything.

Looking in the mirror, eh?

1986: Reykjavik summit ends in failure US President Ronald Reagan and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev have failed to reach agreement at a disarmament summit in Reykjavik. The two men came close to striking a radical arms reduction deal after a weekend of lengthy negotiations at Hofdi House in the Icelandic capital. But the talks finally stalled over President Reagan’s refusal to abandon his Strategic Defence Initiative (SDI). And:

Faulty US software was to blame for one of the biggest non-nuclear explosions the world has ever seen, which took place in a Siberian natural gas pipeline, according to a new book published on Monday. At the Abyss: An Insider’s History of the Cold War, written by Thomas C. Reed, a former Air Force secretary who served in the US National Security Council during the Reagan administration, documents how software and other technology was deliberately created with flaws as part of US attempts to undermine the Soviet economy.

Yeah, Blowhard, tell us how Jimmy Carter kicked their a-ss.

By RE

November 1, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this

One downside if the Dems take over the house and senate, there will be a sharp increase in unemployment in the DC area. All the K Street hacks will have lost thier meal ticket.

By getalife

November 1, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

“Often he had to endure multiple interrogators who would scream, shake and otherwise assault Mr. Padilla,�? his lawyers said. “Additionally, Mr. Padilla was given drugs against his will, believed to be some form of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) or phencyclidine (PCP), to act as a sort of truth serum during his interrogations.�?

Friggin hippies.

Sounds like a day in Andy’s life.

Let us have an intervention for Andy.

Andy,

If you do not accept help today , you will be banned from blogging forever.

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

Huge pompous blowhard,

Who said the following at 5:23?

{{{{{But for the chickenhawks and their mindless rabble to treat men like Chambliss, Murtha, Kerry, et al like dirt,…}}}}}

By bon scott

November 1, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

Kerry’s done this nation harm, alright. Not intentionally. And the harm isn’t what you think it is.

Kerry’s gaffe distracted from a far more serious story that developed over the weekend. One I tried to bring up this morning.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al- Maliki speaks for a nation of Sunni and Shi’a Muslims and Kurds, but he is at heart pure Shi’a.

Maliki has chosen the past week to stake his claim to an independent say over security policy, publicly sparring with President Bush and other U.S. officials, and rejecting their calls for him to set a timetable for disbanding militias like the powerful Shi’a Mahdi Army, which answers to cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

His decision yesterday to lift the joint U.S. and Iraqi cordon around Sadr City and another Shi’a en clave was greeted with jubilant street celebrations.

Iraq’s Maliki and the United States locked eyes over the US forces looking for a kidnapped American in a huge Shiite slum.

And the US blinked.

Democrats should surely see this as another example of incompetence in the Iraq occupation.

Republicans should be REALLY upset over who’s running the show in Baghdad. And who’s not. It’s a surrender to Iraq’s largest milita, the Sh-iite Mehdi Army.

The inmates have taken over the asylum.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 1, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

By RE November 1, 2006 06:24 PM , on your comment about how liberals don’t know anything about war, could you tell me what the following are in Iraq; “They have to have a plan, objectives and a mission�? And, when do you think that might be done by?

Hey, you did hear about Saddam being taken out, didn’t you?

National Strategy for Victory in Iraq- The following document articulates the broad strategy the President set forth in 2003 and provides an update on our progress as well as the challenges remaining. — President George W. Bush February 26, 2003

Got any more stupid questions?

By Huge

November 1, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this

“When their party base is comprised of people like Thomas, Huge and Goldie…it’s a bit tough for them to discern “character�? well enough to nominate it.”

Hey bigot!

You forgot Eric, w00t, Brian Curtis, The Emperor, N-GA, Political Foreskin, bon scott, Rick Whitenack, Steve, getalife, All of the people ALL of the time, RE, Republican Robber Barons, stu pidashols, sean b, Midori, Diogenes, Truthman, Two Birds with one stone and People for new Amerika Century!

In other words, just about everyone else here.

Oh and BTW like me, they probably all think you’re actually a classy, but misunderstood gal just posing as a hateful, idiotic neo-con trailer trash b!tch who along with the incompetence-loving suck is haplessly trying to bring out those blindingly far right wing votes next week.

Good luck with that one…

By Thomas

November 1, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this

Would you please provide some evidence of the GOP tormenting Cindy Sheehan and calling her a traitor? Thank you!

-=-

RW -

You know the GoP doen’t do that directly, they get swift boaters to do that for them. they let someone else do their dirty work.

Case in Point RW

(Note word treasonous)

By Buy Danish

November 1, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

{{{What did Cindy ever do to deserve the trash job the GOP did to her?}}}

Oh please.

Thomas the weeping whiner,

She did plenty. Do you really want to review her many slanderous and treasonous statements and actions?

Her son WAS a hero. Her son’s heroics do not immunize her from well-deserved criticism.

Case number two

Washington Post: Both Hannity and O’Reily brand Cindy Sheehan a traitor on their shows the same day.

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/08/10/smear-sheehan/

then there was this little garbage by Ann Coulter

Shee·hadist

I could search and eventually find a GOP member statement too I’m sure, but why should I do your homework RW — lol - if you want that question answered — you google it!

Gone now -0-

By Diogenes

November 1, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

A funny thing happened on the way to a Republican sweep: a public debate broke out.

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

I think I am right on the verge of being speechless. I can’t believe that anyone is proud to be associated with that hysterical group of whiny losers listed at 6:44.

I bet Cindy is glad she hasn’t posted lately.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 1, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

Guess who:

John Kerry is the “botched joke” of American politics. For those of you keeping score at home, John Kerry has now called members of the U.S. military (a) stupid, (b) crazy, (c) murderers, (d) rapists, (e) terrorizers of Iraqi women and children. I wonder what he’ll call them tomorrow. Whatever Karl Rove is paying John Kerry to say stupid things, it’s worth every penny.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

November 1, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

Democrats can’t not be crazy. They will instantly set to work enacting a national gay marriage law, impeachment hearings, slavery reparations and a series of new federal felonies for abortion clinic protesters. The only way to get Democrats to focus on terrorists would be to convince them that the terrorists are interfering with a woman’s right to choose or that commercial jetliners exploding in midair are a threat to America’s wetlands.

By bon scott

November 1, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

On October 4 1993 insurgents in Mogadsishu, Somalia killed 18 Americans. Three days later, President Clinton announced a withdrawl.

Neocons still call this Clinton decision cowardice, claiming it inspired Islamic extremists.

On October 30, 2006, US forces manning blockades around a Sh-iite slum in Baghdad were ordered to stand down by the Iraqi PM.

The US complied. Complained, but complied.

No mention of the missing American serviceman whose disappearance led to the checkpoints. That American is still missing.

Islamic terrorists in places like Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Pakistan are watching.

Vote the Bush GOP out November 7th. Nobody could do worse… not even Democrats.

By Huge

November 1, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

Speaking of Ann Coulter. She was on the Big Idea last night and I was struck by how everytime I see her she is uncomfortably laughing non-stop, as though she is actually not happy at all, but desperately trying to hide it.

Like most, hate-filled neo-con women and men, she seems so miserable…

Come on people, help her out! Vote straight ticket Republican next week!!!!!!!!!!

“I bet Cindy is glad she hasn’t posted lately.”

Oh, RW, I’ll bet you any amount Cindy would never agree with your stellar analysis. She would probably be thrilled to be in the vast majority of Americans who don’t share your political or scientific world view. Why don’t you ask her next time?

By RW-(the original)

November 1, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

Sybil,

We turned over sovereignty to Iraq so that they would see that they were indeed in control of their own future. That has great advantages to our long term goals, but it comes with short term obstacles. Had we refused to remove those checkpoints we would be seen as nothing but an occupying force and Iraq would see no future of life as an independent nation.

I’m sure that’s why you want to talk tough about it, because you know it would make us lose the war in the long run which is your ultimate goal. Mine is to win and once and for all have a peaceful Middle East. That will require many years of steady commitment and it’s one of the biggest reasons this country should never again let Democrats anywhere near the reins of power.

Thomas,

Quit making charges you refuse to back up with fact.

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