Mike Luckovich

By George

October 26, 2006 09:13 PM | Link to this

Sad but true! Rush and all the other Republican apologists forget that real lives are being wasted for their little poker game in Iraq.

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By George

October 26, 2006 09:20 PM | Link to this

Yes these were real people, maybe even your neighbors, who just got wasted. They were killed just because Dubya won’t say the words “I made a mistake”. Instead we get more marketing slogans and happy talk. Really Really sad!

Please vote everyone on Nov 7th.

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) — The number of American troops killed in Iraq in October reached the highest monthly total in a year Thursday after four Marines and a sailor died of wounds suffered while fighting in the same Sunni insurgent stronghold. The U.S. military said 96 U.S. troops have died so far in October, the most in one month since October 2005, when the same number was killed. The spike in deaths has been a major factor behind rising anti-war sentiment in the United States, fueling calls for President Bush to change tactics.

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By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 03:13 AM | Link to this

No mike luckovich, Rush has never said anything of the sort. Nobody plays down the deaths of our brave military and their sacrifice except you and your followers. Even you don’t ignore their deaths, although where most of us mourn their death and honor their sacrifice, you use dead soldiers to line your pockets.

Of course if you can’t make enough cash on the blood of our soldiers through normal reprints, you will happily sell originals to really ring the register. Good thing for luckovich that soldiers still die in wars so that he can get rich laughing at their death.

That is lucktoons@ajc.com if we want a cartoon making fun of dead military to line your pockets, right mike?

Oh, but you visited a hospital. My bad, keep selling your filth you pathetic bastard, after all you did make an appearance at a military hospital and you obviously kept it quiet and private and never once tried to self promote that visit.

Scum….

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 27, 2006 05:27 AM | Link to this

My goodness, Georgie Girl monitors the Luckovich blog all hours of the evening, that’s kind of weird.

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Uh-oh:

Lost Soldiers: “A shirtless man walked toward them along a mud pathway. His muscles were young and hard, but his face was devastated with wrinkles. His eyes were so red that they appeared to be burned by fire. A naked boy ran happily toward him from a little plot of dirt. The man grabbed his young son in his arms, turned him upside down, and put the boy’s pe-nis in his mouth.”-Jim Webb Democrat Virginia

Gosh, I wonder if we’ll get the 24/7 ”news” coverage, calls for resignation and homosexual witch hunts that we got for Foley?

Watch the party of two faces go into their ostrich mode.

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A recent survey conducted by the Center for Immigration Studies shows what we’ve expected all along: That when the immigration debate is presented to voters with unbiased language and statistics, Americans favor the conservative case for better border security, better interior enforcement, limited increases in the current levels of legal immigration and no amnesty.-WashingtonTimes

Which is what they got:

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush signed a bill Thursday authorizing 700 miles of new fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border-MyWay

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 27, 2006 05:28 AM | Link to this

We stay. The “jihadists” stay. We go. They go. (Never mind resident death squads.) There’s a certain logic to Mrs. Pelosi’s strategy that is practically feasible — so long as the tooth fairy isn’t busy. But such fairy tales are no substitute for foreign policy.-WashingtonTimes

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He dismisses the notion that Iraq is a mistake or a distraction: “This stuff about how Iraq is causing the enemy … whatever excuse they need, they have made up their mind to attack and they grab onto things to justify. If it’s not Iraq, it’s Israel. If it’s not Israel, it’s the Crusades. If it’s not the Crusades, it is the cartoon.”-OpinionJournal

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Well one year later, the riots are still going on, and the French themselves are now calling it an intifada. France’s Interior Ministry reported that almost 2,500 police officers were “wounded” in the first six months of the year. Rescue workers need police escort in the Muslim dominated suburbs. The AP recently reported from Paris: “On a routine call, three unwitting police officers fell into a trap. A car darted out to block their path, and dozens of hooded youths surged out of the darkness to attack them with stones, bats and tear gas before fleeing. One officer was hospitalized, and no arrests were made. The recent, apparently planned ambush was emblematic of what some officers say has become a near-perpetual and increasingly violent state of conflict between police and gangs in tough, largely immigrant French neighborhoods.”-NYSun

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A bubble!

Much of the obsession with politics of Washington’s journalism fraternity stems from its insularity. Journalists talk with other journalists a great deal. Sometimes they use one another as sources. They socialize with one another and, in many cases, marry one another. It is not quite a closed loop, but it’s not far from it.-AmericanSpectator

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 27, 2006 05:36 AM | Link to this

Over the course of the entire Vietnam War, the “average” rate at which Americans died as a consequence of armed combat was about 15 per day. In 1968-69, when my brother and I served as Rifle Platoon and Infantry Company Commanders — he in the Army and I in the Marines — 39 Americans died every day in the war zone. In Iraq, the “kill rate” for U.S. troops is 2.06 per day. During the 1968 “Tet Offensive” in Vietnam there were more than 2,100 U.S. casualties per week. In Iraq, the U.S. casualty rate from all causes has never exceeded 490 troops in a month. None of this is to say “my war was tougher than your war.” As of this writing 2,802 young Americans have been killed during three and a half years of war in Iraq. That’s roughly the same number killed at Iwo Jima during the first three and a half days of fighting against the Japanese. Every life lost was precious and every loss grievous to those who loved them. {{{{{{{{{{{{{Unfortunately, our media intends to use every one of those killed to make their point. It’s a lesson they learned in Vietnam.}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}-TownHall

Cartoon boy, carrying on the hallowed pinko tradition of using our soldiers corpses as stage props.

Maggot.

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How utterly creepy! Here is a man who solved an old case with new science, who is hardly a crank of any stripe, being scoffed at by a world-class fraud. What has Gore ever done to help a single real person? What are his scientific qualifications? He has no science background or degree of any kind. He is the one signing on to a massive conspiratorial fantasy worthy of Chicken Little. Suddenly the Earth is burning up? And we have the power to reverse it? Each of those premises is a patent absurdity worthy of The Emperor’s New Clothes. Fairy tales-AmericanSpectator

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Today’s cartoon that doesn’t suck!

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 27, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this

Ok, so the Putz (probably) doesn’t really think these honorable men are faking it, but was his “ingrown hair” real or was the Putz faking it to get out of Vietnam?

By George

October 27, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

Former United Nations chief weapons inspector Hans Blix on Wednesday described the United States-led invasion of Iraq as a “pure failure” that had left the country worse off than under the rule of Saddam Hussein.

Please vote everyone!

By Eric

October 27, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this

You are the scum, RW. The only people lining their pockets on the blood and sacrifice of our soldiers are those rich draft dodgers who started the war. Can you say cheney, rusmfeld, bush, wolfowitz, rove? Can you say Halliburton? To Mike Luckovich and “his followers” the war was a mistake, a disgusting waste of life and treasure and it was avoidable. No RW, we’re not scum. It’s the war mongers like you who are scum. You should be ashamed and I suspect you are as you only have the balls to sign on with initials. If you’re old enough, you’re probably one of those cowards who resisted service to your country. You make me sick.

By @@

October 27, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

MIKE LUCKOVICH:

You’re a cartoonist, right? Since when has the death of brave American soldiers become a subject for humor?

You display your lack of decency today. For what? To take a shot at Rush Limbaugh? I doubt Michael J. Fox would find this acceptable. I wouldn’t be surprised if MJF and Limbaugh hold you accountable for this one.

The shot backfired, you are a victim of your own stupidity.

Disgusting!!!!

By N-GA

October 27, 2006 08:42 AM | Link to this

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I’ll keep my comment civil. I don’t particularly care for ML’s toon today. I don’t think that there is any reason to try to connect American casualties with Rush Limbaugh. However, I also disagree with your post. Political cartoonists use all forms to make a point: humor, irony, satire…..

In this toon, ML isn’t using humor…he is using satire, albeit poorly.

By luvMikeL

October 27, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

Mike, love the toon. I hope you don’t get into too much trouble over it. As of this morning 96 soldiers dead so far in October and the month is not even over with. Keep up the great work!!!!

By Paul

October 27, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this

RW (the original) - wow - are you a real early riser or do you work really long hours?

Mr. Luckovich’s cartoon reminds me of those wonderful people you know who, no matter the subject (landscaping, schools, cooking) always manage to make some tenuous connection to their one-track obsession (“Yes, those hybrid azaleas look very nice. They don’t require much water, which we don’t have enough of because BUSH WON’T ADMIT HE CAUSED GLOBAL WARMING!!!). ‘scuse the caps, had to get the effect right.

Midori at 540 yesterday Goldie at 540 yesterday

Consecutive posts, I’ve showed my true colors and am a right-wing fanatic. I’m also a liberal McGovern-lover. Wow.

I don’t care to make or take these things personal, have said views depend on the issue, so:

Two topics yesterday, both of which I take seriously. One, protecting my country and family. There are religious fanatic jihadists who would gladly kill my parents, wife, children, grandchildren - all I hold dear. With today’s technologies they can make their threat real. I look at government leadership and ask, who will protect me and my country the most effectively? I mean this in a general sense and view most of the Iraq discussion as a distraction to this issue. I have little time for those who hate an Executive so much their automatic response is to oppose everything and propose very little. I have a philosophical disagreement with those who view a war as a law enforcement matter. So if this makes me a Republican in someone’s eyes, well, rather a sad commentary on Democrats, isn’t it?

Issue two was the matter of honor and hypocrisy among politicians. I believe there are many dedicated, honorable people across the spectrum. That was my (rather oblique) point with McGovern. He may have been a liberal Democrat but he was truthful. Nixon, I believe, had a fundamental flaw in his pursuit of truth. Even if I would agree with Nixon’s stated policies more than McGovern’s I’d likely vote for a McGovern. I would know McGovern would do what he said - with Nixon I’d never be sure. After all, that’s why there’s an Executive and a Legislative - compromise and balance.

You will notice I’ve hammered Democrats and Republicans over the hypocrisy issue. Yesterday I did used the charity issue (and learned, I think, you two take things way to

By Goldie

October 27, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

Real Enough, or Too Real?

By Redneck

October 27, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

Hey mike, as usual they is nothing you won’t draw or post to satisfy your sadist and warped psyche. Just a little statistic for consideration for the rest of you cut and runners. More people are killed in the ghettos of the US each month than will lose their life defending this nation in Iraq. Thanks mainly to the commie/socialist funding of the welfare state.

By Paul

October 27, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this

You will notice I’ve hammered Democrats and Republicans over the hypocrisy issue. Yesterday I did used the charity issue (and learned, I think, you two take things way too seriously - or maybe I should do a few :) when I’m having fun with a topic). The hypocrisy I was alluding to was those who condemn others for selfishness but whose personal track record is lacking. Cursory reading seemed to indicate many far-Left politicians were guilty of this. So I asked a question. I got a few specifics back - RW (original) brought up a good Ted Turner example, so I learned something.

But mostly it strikes me, Midori and Goldie, not to be harsh, but pigeonholing someone into a “camp” absolves one of doing any further thoughtful analysis of issues. “You’re a lib or a reactionary so you think this.” I’d rather evaluate based upon what I believe is best for the country and let the epithets fall where they may.

Long, I know. Thanks.

By HumanisticJones

October 27, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this

Such absolutist views of drawings here from the hand-puppets of the administration. This toon is in no way funny, and wasn’t meant to be. There’s also no making fun of the soldiers here, more a stab at certain pundits and commentators for their downplaying of American casualites in Iraq. I don’t know how many people have ever read “A Modest Proposal” by Swift. Swift was in no way implying that eating Irish babies was a good idea or making light of the plight of Ireland, though many people took it as such. A well formed satire, but certainly not a funny one. If you can’t see past the surface of symbolisms as simple as Mike’s, then remember Mark Twain’s words, Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

By Goldie

October 27, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this

I’m sure the “Ditto-heads” would prefer not to see such a graphic reminder of the result of their war-mongering…

Way to go with today’s toon, Lucko — it’s always good to bring the discussion back to where it really belongs.

By Nomad

October 27, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

ML you have got to be one of the most worthless pieces of liberal scum that I have ever seen. You have absolutely no tact. What moron in his right mind would try to connect Rush’s comments with the casualties that the American forces are suffering in Iraq. You represent a party that will do nothing to apease the enemy and cut in run when there is a job that needs to be done. Some of the libs that post their crap on this board say that voting for the dems will bring “accountability back to government”. All that voting for dems will is weaken this country further. All you can do is complain. You offer NO plan. If you did this would be a different race. When you don’t win majority on the 7th of November, don’t go away mad. Just go away. You are a disgrace to this country.

Vote Republican Nov. 7th and hack off the worthless, baby killing, cut and run democratic cowards. America deserves better.

NOMAD

By regulator

October 27, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this

Somebody take RW and draw him a picture because he’s clueless, oh they did, and he still missed the point, what a dumbass. Dubya has got Laura publicly crying for him,first Barbara now her,pitiful.

By Buy Danish

October 27, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this

luvMikeL,

Do you have a calendar with a tally sheet of combat deaths that ends on November 7th? Do try to contain your unseemly gloating.

There are some people other than Useful Idiots like yourself who thank ML for “keeping up the good work” - that would be the enemy who find inspiration in his grotesque “satire”.

Mike Luckovich,

Time for a self-portrait toon of the Pulitzer Patriot?

I’m picturing a coffin depicting a political suicide with the AJC draped over it instead of a flag.

You don’t think that’s funny? Neither do I.

By Mike

October 27, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

Fact is ML’s toon is right. My active duty nephew has just completed his 2nd tour in Iraq and saids it is no picnic. I really dont think people in this country take these deaths seriously unless it is within their family. One old vet here.

By Prof Johnson

October 27, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this

The cartoon sadly reflects the state of affairs in the good ol’ USA today. We’re all faking it! The Vietnam generation has ended any chance the nation had for greatness. The USA experience will become a footnote in the 5,000 plus years of recorded history. I sure miss the 1990’s, and blow job Bill!

By N-GA

October 27, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

RW,

What does “stay the course” really mean?

By getalife

October 27, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

Two days bashing the pos they call Rush. I see the neonuts howling like true moonbats about this one so you must be doing the right thing Mike.

Great job.

“The invasion of Iraq I believe will turn out to be the greatest strategic disaster in U.S. history,” said Odom, now a scholar with the Hudson Institute.

By Buy Danish

October 27, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Mike at 9:18,

The Iraq War is no picnic? Really? Can you name one war in the history of the world that was? Or maybe you’re thinking it’s a “picnic” for the vultures who feast on the remains?

Sheesh.

By Naked Emperor

October 27, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

I love today’s cartoon, Mike!

The truth is often painful, but don’t expect the liars to tell you that. Liars that have never worn a military uniform think war is a picnic.

Liars that are in denial of their own drug addictions, like Rush Limbaugh, think they know it all when it comes to medicine just because they eat a handful of pills every day.

By Midori

October 27, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

LOL

Oh the irony!!

the 101st Keyboard Kommandos are ‘OUTRAGED’ by Mikes toon today!!

Paul: some things sure must have hit home yesterday.

I’m real busy today; just wanted to say top of the morning to everyone. and to make a post to Andy, which will follow shortly.

By getalife

October 27, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

“I sure miss the 1990’s, and blow job Bill!”

Me too!

Just look at what Bush has done to our country.

And the idiots still support him.

Amazing.

By HumanisticJones

October 27, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

The Iraq War is no picnic? Really? Can you name one war in the history of the world that was? Or maybe you’re thinking it’s a “picnic” for the vultures who feast on the remains?

The Battle of Bull Run started out with people having picknicks to watch the battle, does that count?

By Goldie

October 27, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

“More people are killed in the ghettos of the US each month than will lose their life defending this nation in Iraq. Thanks mainly to the commie/socialist funding of the welfare state.”

Always enlightening to read the Rednecks’ postings, yes?

By Goldie

October 27, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

Paul, I’m a McGovern-lover, too, and am never ashamed of it or feel the need to justify it.

By Goldie

October 27, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

“If you can’t see past the surface of symbolisms as simple as Mike’s, then remember Mark Twain’s words, Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”

Always great to read some Mark Twain here — thanks for the post, Humanistic!

By We're Gonna Raise Your Taxes!!!!

October 27, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

By Goldie October 27, 2006 09:55 AM “More people are killed in the ghettos of the US each month than will lose their life defending this nation in Iraq. Thanks mainly to the commie/socialist funding of the welfare state.” Always enlightening to read the Rednecks’ postings, yes?

Bishop Goldilocks: Having some issues wih the truth?

By getalife

October 27, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

“Thanks mainly to the commie/socialist funding of the welfare state.”

Yes, we should cut Iraqi welfare.

By HumanisticJones

October 27, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

“Thanks mainly to the commie/socialist funding of the welfare state.”

While at its nature welfare is infact a socialistic program, its by no means a communist one. If it were communist, all citizens would be on it, and we would all get the same equal share (except for the leaders of course, no such thing as true Marxist Communism because humans are prone to doing bad things with absolute power).

The main problems with the poverty zones in America are the lack of serious parental involvement in education and poor money management often perpetuated by the Mega-church organizations that prey on lower-class communities.

By Paul

October 27, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

Goldie at 9:58 - McGovern always struck me as one of the gentlemen of politics - and he took some pretty lousy hits from the Republican right - and, years later, from some Johnson Democrats, too. I will distinguish between “justifying” (if by that there’s an element of apologizing for) and “giving reasons why I think the guy has good qualities that should be emulated.”

G’Morning Midori at 9:47 - yes, a few things did - sadly the reinforcement that people get put into “camps”, when one strays from orthodoxy one gets pilloried, - and this happens on both sides of the spectrum. I do not see any conflict, for example, in supporting strong measures to fight jihadists and at the same time calling for quite radical changes within the Dept of Defense. If I could direct the makeover you’d likely really take umbrage - I never did view America’s defense establishment as a jobs program for local people and companies. Nor are such views inconsistent with, say, wholesale reforms in America’s education system (which we’ve discussed before) - I’ll happily make the case your local school districts should disappear.

Well, have a productive day, Midori. Chat with you later -

By Political Foreskin

October 27, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

Cartoon Idea: Show the once formidable alliance in the Iraq War called, “Coalition of the Willing” now whittled down to the “Coaltion of the Drilling”, (the US and BP oil).

By Political Foreskin

October 27, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

Cartoon Idea. SHow W, as the chimp, in the passenger seat of the ship of state being driven by Cheney. A cop, in the person of Uncle Sam has pulled them over and is leaning in the passenger window announcing that he’s going to have to impound the vehicle for constitutional violations. Cheney says to the chimp, W, “Right turn, Clyde”.

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

Richard A. Viguerie, Chairman of ConservativeHQ.com, warned Republicans that scare tactics against Democrats will not succeed in increasing social or economic conservative voters on Election Day.

“The big-spending, high-deficit, morally-deficient Republican Party hasn’t anything to offer conservatives except Halloween scare tactics about the Democrats. But since the GOP majority in Congress has engaged in an unprecedented spending spree, conservatives know that Democrats cannot be any worse and that divided government may lead to less spending,” Viguerie said.

“And conservatives have learned that, while Republicans sometimes provide significant symbolism on social issues, in truth, many of them have a disdain for values voters,” he added.

“Trying to frighten conservatives by yelling ‘Nancy Pelosi’ and ‘Harry Reid’ won’t work this time.”

By Goldie

October 27, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

Andy/Tax-Ranter: Dems may be for raising taxes on the highest 1% of income-earners, but why don’t you rant about what the Repugnants are really all about regarding taxes:

“We’re all about bankrupting America — we don’t like to PAY FOR our purely politcal wars and will keep your great-grandchildren in hock to the terrorists and communists for decades to come!”

By Political Foreskin

October 27, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

That’s a fine bit o’thinkin’, Paul: radicate public schools!!

Then the illiterate rabble that elected W twice can form an entire country of unsparked synapses. Let’s go with: unarced neuro-gap is the new lightbulb! (signifying nothing).

By Political Foreskin

October 27, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

Goldie, are you a blonde?

“Purely political wars”.

Great stuff. Cant write that. It has to occur naturally, folks.

Funniest line in maybe two years. Blog on, Goldie, you’ve got the think tanks roiling!!!!!!!

By Dusty

October 27, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

Well, I see that Luckovich has now won the high honor of being the sickest cartoonist in the news media.

Using the military dead as the focus for “humor” or “satire” or propaganda or political fodder is so far below any standard of normal human behavior that it is beyond objectionable.

There is nothing excusable in this cartoon. The only people who truly enjoy this cartoon are the terrorists who also take pleasure in picturing dead Americans.

There is shame in American today that we have a few citizens such as Luckovich who disgrace those who died to protect us.

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

Bob Corker, the Republican candidate for US Senate from Tennessee, is now running ads about Harold Ford and playing jungle drums in the background every time Ford’s name is mentioned. And this time Corker can’t blame the racist ad on Ken Mehlman and the Republican National Committee - this is one of Corker’s own ads.

I was a bit surprised not seeing the usual GOP gay-bashing election ads this month, the stuff that always comes up the month before the election, since homophobia is usually the bigotry of choice for Republicans wanting to get out the vote. But this year is different. For some reason the GOP has decided to ignore the gays, and even Latinos, and go back to their tried and true traditional old racism.

It’s rather shocking, and telling as to not just how desperate the Republicans are in the face of a Democratic tidal wive, but also how far the Republican party has not come in terms of dealing with its racist past.

By Gordon

October 27, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

What does a comment about MJF have to do with war dead? If you’re a Bush hater, it doesn’t have to. Just throw emotion out there and hope people won’t pay any attention to the facts. If they are Democrats, they usually won’t. Facts such as embryonic stem cell research has and continues to go on (it just isn’t federally funded), and that it isn’t producing anywhere near the results that adult stem cell research is. But why let facts get in the way of your emotions?

You’ve been very boring for a long time, Mr. Luckovich.

By getalife

October 27, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

“Rush Limbaugh has proven time and again what a nasty bully he can be. Remember his insult to Chelsea Clinton, calling her trhe White House dog when she was just a child? And his racist musings
on whether black men were equipped to play quarterback?

However, Limbaugh sank to a new low by mocking Michael J. Fox and his Parkinson’s battle”

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

Republican US House member Ann Northrup (R-KY) called this week on Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to resign after having so botched the war in Iraq.

Here’s a good question for any Dem candidate to ask their Republican challenger:”Do you agree with Rep. Northrup that Rumsfeld should resign, or do you agree with President Bush that Rumsfeld has done a great job in Iraq?”

Frist told Republicans to avoid talking about the war. I say make it issue #1 because it is!

By HumanisticJones

October 27, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

Using the military dead as the focus for “humor” or “satire” or propaganda or political fodder is so far below any standard of normal human behavior that it is beyond objectionable.

I think you forget that the best satire ever, which is used in High-school english classes everywhere to teach the concept of satire suggests eating babies and making gloves from their skin as the solution to poverty in Ireland. It goes into very gorey detail on the tenderness of baby meat, the supleness of their skin lending well to them being made into gloves, and the fact that in time the author feels that it will soon be in fasion for ladies everywhere to buy Irish gloves.

Mike L. just showed coffins with flags on them. And he’s the one that did something reprehensible? I’m sorry to keep bringing up Swift, but its extreemly relevent to this, ML’s satire here is child’s play and tame compared to Swift’s Modest Proposal.

By N-GA

October 27, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

Rush Limbaugh reminds me of the character in “Deliverance” who gets assaulted by the mountain hillbilly (think Lying Andy). LOL

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

How can you tell if “Proud Liberal Pinko: is lying? Listen to the “jungle drum” ad for yourself

N-GA,

Achieve the long term goals.

By getalife

October 27, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

Its funny watching the war mongers scream about this toon.

The end result of the Iraq disaster is the flag covered coffins.

Deal with it because you support this massive disaster.

By rushncap

October 27, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

BTW, RW, meeeee-yow yesterday. I was far too busy to respond to your little b!tch-fest before the board closed down for the night, but damn, guy, take some Midol!

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 27, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

By Proud Liberal Pinko October 27, 2006 10:48 AM Republican US House member Ann Northrup (R-KY) called this week on Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to resign after having so botched the war in Iraq.

Spammie the “war hero:” Funny how the Republicans aren’t a bunch of goose stepping robots saying exactly the same thing, like you pinkos are, isn’t it?

Does this baffle you, much the way Greenspan saying the shift to Euros was necessarily any thing to get hysterical about?

By @@

October 27, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

N-GA: Putting your condescension aside, thanks for the civility.

I know what satire is. ml provokes thought with criticism which makes him fair game for mine.

Unfortunately for ml, he doesn’t get to have it his way only. He’s not an untouchable.

I’ll call it a “poke-off”. O.K.?

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

How can you tell that RW is a moron? Click the link he provided and listen to the ad. It proves my point.

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

RW - of course the “jungle drums” are a tympani and not actual jungle drums. It’s the stereotypical jungle beat that is in question. It’s straight out of a Tarzan movie.

Just like Bush, RW doesn’t “do nuance”.

By Goldie

October 27, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

It’s really no difference about what the Repugnants want to see in the news: no flag-draped coffins and no Americans with debilitating diseases.

By Buy Danish

October 27, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

By HumanisticJones

The main problems with the poverty zones in America are the lack of serious parental involvement in education {{{and poor money management often perpetuated by the Mega-church organizations that prey on lower-class communities.}}}

Are you saying that they fleece their congregation and thus are responsible for perpetuating poverty? That’s not “money management”.

That’s more like promising the congregation that the the lame will walk again if only the Republicans would permit federal funding of embryonic stem cell research - except for the congregation it’s a freely-given voluntary contribution.

The same cannot be said for Federal taxes.

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

That reminds me, does anybody agree with rushncap that nothing in this country can be or ever has been developed without the government funding it?

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

RW - of course the “jungle drums” are a tympani and not actual jungle drums. It’s the stereotypical jungle beat that is in question. It’s straight out of a Tarzan movie.

Just like Bush, RW doesn’t “do nuance”.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 27, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

macacalife: Do you agree with this statement from your candidate?:

Boy’s Penis in Father’s Mouth ‘Not a Sexual Act,’ Webb, democrat, Virginia Tells Radio Host…

By Top 10 Uses For an Ousted Republican Congressman

October 27, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

They’re naturally full of manure, so you can bury one in your garden for better tomato(e)s.

Tight buttocks can be used as vice grips in home improvement projects. (Warning: Could come loose unexpectedly in the presence of congressional pages.)

They’re spineless, so if you’re strong enough you can crack one like a bullwhip.

Strap them to Humvees as supplemental armor.

Their brain pans are too small to use at a skull keg party, but they do make great shot glasses.

If you pose as a military contractor or oil lobbyist, they’ll perform f****** on demand.

Cover one with papier-mache and take it to a gathering of Young Republicans as a Bill Clinton pinata. It’s a hoot when they realize there’s no candy inside.

Make great male escorts at nursing homes, since they love screwing the elderly.

They’ll watch your teenage son for free while you’re out of town.

If you put one’s freshly-extracted heart in a cooler, it’ll keep your beer cold for almost a week

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

PLP,

If you think that is, as you put it, “playing jungle drums in the background every time Ford’s name is mentioned,” then you’re too far gone to bother with here.

Watch out PLP, there’s a racist over there…and one over there…and there….they’ve got you surrounded…OH NO cue the “jungle drums”

freaking idiot…

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

Sorry for the double post - Firefox crapped out and it appeared that the first one didn’t go through.

By N-GA

October 27, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

RW…thanks for the reply.

You say “Stay the course” means “Achieve the long term goals”.

Now then, with all the grief that Clinton (rightfully) received for his attempt to broaden the definition of “is”, then the radical right needs to take some heat for “stay the course”.

Here is the 1st dictionary definition of “course”: “direction or route taken or to be taken”

Now then, the dictionary definition of “stay”:to hold out or endure, as in a contest or task”

Conclusion: Any reasonable person would conclude that “stay the course” means “remain on the established route”. BTW, any sailor would conclude the same. The WH can spin it any way they choose, but then it becomes a “lie”.

By NightTrain

October 27, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

If the current crop of Democrats were in power during WWII half the country would be speaking Japanese while the other half would be speaking German. We can either fight them on their turf or wait for them to come over here. If they come here we will lose a lot more that just a few brave soldiers. I would prefer to take the fight to them instead of waiting for them to bring it to us.

By Foot in Mouth Disease

October 27, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - The White House said Friday that Vice President Dick Cheney was not talking about a torture technique known as “water boarding” when he said dunking terrorism suspects in water during questioning was a “no-brainer.”

Hey, it’s Halloween. ‘Dickless’ was probably just talking about bobbing for apples, right? Democrats should PAY this toad for the votes he generates for them! Throw in another couple of bucks for ‘Rumpot’, and a nickel for ‘Frosty the Snowman’ and you’ve already got the makings of a winning Democratic campaign ! ! !

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 27, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

By Spammie the “war hero” October 27, 2006 11:11 AM Just like Bush, RW doesn’t “do nuance”.

Isn’t this some nerve? The same moron that takes every single solitary article from the Yahoo webpage, posts it to someone else’s blog and blames Bush for everything regardless, has the freaking audacity to tell another person they don’t “nuance.”

You’re a damn loser Spammie.

By Dusty

October 27, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

Good grief, Humanistic Jones,

You had to go back as far as the 1670’s to find something as rotten as Luckovich’s cartoon. And it was an essay at that.

I think Luckovich is still top dog on sick cartoons. Maybe he will sketch up a Halloween cartoon featuring military cemeteries. He has already shown us his “respect” for our silent soldiers who come home covered by our country’s flag.

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

“Stay the Course” was never a White House theme anyway and you can play silly definition games with any phrase and make it seem out of whack. Why don’t you analyze “Tippecanoe and Tyler too” for us?

By HumanisticJones

October 27, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

Danish: You know, that makes alot of sense. I’m not being sarcastic seriously, I think you worded that way better than I did. I’ve got alot of random things going on so my thoughts didn’t quite get strung together very well.

Yes, I agree with you on the stem cell comment. While I feel that there is alot of potential in the future for treatments that may be derived, right now its just alot of proposals and hypothesis. Its way too early to claim bringing mobility to the paralyzed and the end to all disease. Bad science is bad science no matter who’s twisting the facts for what purpose.

The only critique on the money issue though is the example of the World Changer’s Ministry. For them it may start as voluntary, the parisioner makes an original donation pledge. However, Creflow Dollar’s crew keeps records of how much each person pledged, and if they don’t keep it up, they’ve been known to be hit with ostrisization from the church and their community for failing to keep their “promise to god”. That is what results in the bad money management. Other than that, it really does have to be attributed to the individual gullibilty of the person.

Thanks for pointing that out.

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

Poor RW. Trying to prove his point with poor audio. I’ll try and find a better version. I heard it while visiting a friend in Tennessee and the drums were much more pronounced.

RW - does your mother know she raised a complete idiot?

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

Here’s an LGF post about PLP’s “jungle drums” along with some interesting comments

Read comment 27 from “Mama Winger” for a dead on accurate description of today’s Democrats.

By Chris

October 27, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

Do people still listen to that drug addict Rush Limbaugh? I didn’t even know he was still on the air. So doctor shopping for drugs is now considered a family value by the right wingers? Let me guess I bet that Limbaugh’s drug addiction has something to do with Bill Clinton.

If it were not for Limbaugh, Hannity, Boortz, O’Reilly or Savage right wingers wouldn’t know what to think. They can’t function without someone telling them what to think. The right wing in this country has truly lost its way. I remember when the republicans were a party that focused on the noble goal of balancing the budget and strong ethics. They don’t even know what they stand for these days, and whatever it is it certainly isn’t balancing the budget or strong ethics.

Vote the bums out of office!

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Andy,

James Webb just said that those words from his novel were a Karl Rove trick. How do you suppose Karl got Webb’s publisher to do that way back then?

/That guy is good!

By Mallory

October 27, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Mike, are you for real? Going on the offensive? How about a little satire for your review?

Rewind, Rewrite, Replay Like it? Last stanza in case you don’t click, which you don’t. With me anyway.

“To whom are our thanks most deserving? Our troops for courageously serving in dangerous roles for liberty’s goals, so thank them we must for their serving.”

I’m betting you don’t like my offensive line, do ‘ya?

That makes us even. I don’t like yours.

By Midori

October 27, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

Leave it to Andy to fantasize about putting someone’s penis in his mouth.

ABSTRACT: Child rearing practices in the the Telugu-speaking people of India include behaviors of touching and kissing the penis. The meaning of these customs is not erotic or sexual, but if engaged in in America would most likely be misconstrued and the parents suspected of child sexual abuse. This example illustrates the importance of transcultural issues in assessing the meaning of genital gestures and practices.

PORTLAND, Me. (AP) - Maine’s highest court reversed a previous conviction of a man accused of sexual abuse. Mohammad Kargar, an Afghan immigrant, claimed he kissed his 18-month-old son’s penis as part of a cultural tradition. Kissing a son’s penis is a very common tradition in Afghanistan, associated with showing love for the child. I feel much better now. I’m happy. My family is happy, said Kargar.

By Austin Powers

October 27, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

I see you still are reading “Drudgepacker” after you were fooled about the “Foley prank” Andy.

By Midori

October 27, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

Nightrain: Kanechewa, B!tch!!!

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

Here’s a link to the complete article that RW got the ad recording from. Read it and decide for yourself.

I’m surprised that RW would link to a liberal web site. I’m not surprised that he would fail to provide the article that explains it.

By Chickenhawk Republicans

October 27, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - The Army, which has borne much of the costs for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, would get $121 billion for the 2008 budget year under a preliminary spending plan that is nearly $18 billion short of the amount Army officials say they need.

King George and his Republican ‘Do Nothing’ Congress SHAFT the American serviceman once again. Maybe the chickenhawks just want to be able to say ‘they got what they paid for’ ! ! !

By It's Only A Sex Act If The Boy's Father Is A Republican

October 27, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Midori Broom Rider:

You threatened me with a post at By Midori October 27, 2006 09:47 AM I’m real busy today; just wanted to say top of the morning to everyone. and to make a post to Andy, which will follow shortly. remember?

While I got you on the horn, what do you think of this?:

Excerpts from some of the war novels Webb, democrat, Virginia, wrote between 1978 and 2002. The books include some graphic sexual passages, as well as frequent uses of a racial slur for blacks and descriptions of Vietnamese women as “monkey-faced.”

By HumanisticJones

October 27, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Dusty “You had to go back as far as the 1670’s to find something as rotten as Luckovich’s cartoon. And it was an essay at that.”

I don’t see how this cartoon is as rotten as that essay. ML isn’t suggesting making boots out of dead soldiers. But hey, my opinion, your opinion. You go with what you believe man, I have no beef with that.

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

PLP,

Sorry the audio sucks, but what do you expect from Josh Marshal’s Talking Points Memo site. These liberals can’t do anything right.

By Homer Simpson

October 27, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

Hey Crusty the clown!

Burp.

By Mike

October 27, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

“I believe that as a movement we have veered off course into the dangerous and uncharted waters of big government Republicanism”

By NightTrain

October 27, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

I would love to here what ideas the Democrats have to solve: - ImI would love to here what ideas the Democrats have to solve: - Illegal Immigration - Crime - The war on terrorism - Education - Taxes - The Economy - Health Care

All I hear is Bush Lied, Bush and his buddies are getting rich off the little guy, Bush this and Bush that. You’ve stated what you think the problem is now let’s hear what your solutions are! Getting the Republicans out of office and the Democrats in the White House are not solutions. Take a position on something, really, on anything!

By Peoples for a New Amerika' Century

October 27, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

-

Soldiers Die! And this is Why!

http://www.ajc.com/business/content/shared-gen/ap/FinanceGeneral/EarnsChevron.html

+

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

Sorry Andy. You’re wrong (as usual). You have me confused with someone else (WHAT!? Andy confused?).

I am Proud Liberal Pinko (formerly known as IMPEACH CHIMPY). I’ve only posted under those names except for the one time I used “Top 10 Uses For an Ousted Republican Congressman” at 11:22 today.

Nice try moron.

By Its your fault

October 27, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

Your Fault I was always taught as a manager that no matter what your employee does wrong, it ultimately is your fault. You somehow failed in hiring the wrong person, didn’t train them properly or oversee their progress, etc. I accept that to this day. Managers have to be accountable for the performance of their employees.

Even if our President is not.

Despite his ridiculous speech yesterday in which he claimes that the responsibility for Iraq lies “with the President”, he has accepted less responsibility for anything bad that he and his group have actually done than the average manager at McDonalds. No one in the Bush White House has ever admitted a mistake (not really) or apologized and promised to do better. No one. It is part of their “Never Apologize, Never Admit” strategy. It is something that Rush Limbaugh has used succesfully for years.

So if they won’t take blame then someone else must. Who is that someone?

You.

We are in prime election season and that means plenty of blame for plenty of problems. But the fact is that this is STILL a government chosen by the people.

So if you voted for “W” or any Republican in 2002 or 2004 a good majority of our problems are your fault. Notice I cut you a break for 2000 since we had no national idea what kind of disaster Bush would be. Well, some of us did.

Just think about this:

It is your fault that someone you know was killed or injured in Iraq.

It is your fault that Americans were allowed to die in New Orleans mainly because they mostly vote Democratic (when they vote).

It is your fault that the nation’s wealthiest people and companies are becoming much richer at the expense of hope and opportunity.

It is your fault that science has had to defend itself against “intelligent design” nonsense in our SCHOOLS no less.

It is your fault that any decent American who has opposed the current President gets treated like a traitor to our nation.

It is your fault that our traditional friends across the world can no longer afford to be seen as supporting us.

It is your fault that our enemies have been emboldened and grown in strength since the election of George W. Bush.

It is your fault that our national security has been compromised by the unwillingness of this President and his Republican puppets to actually engage in diplomacy wit

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

PLP,

Only a moonbat would think that you can’t listen to an ad and make up your own mind about it without some whack job liberal’s interpretation telling you what to think.

Now tell us again how you guys are the free thinkers and we’re the sheeple.

By luvMikeL

October 27, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

I am not a serious blogger, but since I have been attacked by BuyDanish, I’ll respond. First and foremost most of the people who disagree with Mike’s toon use the same phrase over and over “cut and run”. This was created by Karl Rove and placed in the Republican play book to prevent Congress from setting a timetable for redeployment. We should not have been in Iraq. They did not, have not posed a threat to the security of this country. Intelligent people know this. Our buddies the Saudis are the threat, this is where the majority of the hijackers had citizenship.

BuyDanish why all the namecalling. Like other Neocons you can’t stand it when people disagree with you.

By Midori

October 27, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

Typical conversation with Andy:

Me: Andy, you seem to be just a tad too angy. Ever thought about chilling out?

Andy: First, he will adopt some silly dumb username, such as “Midori Broom Rider”.

Andy as Midori Broom Rider:

snap, crackle, pop you pinko pink, just like your clit.

cut

American Spectator

cut

Newsmax

cut

Plop, plop, fizz, fizz, oh what a relief it is!!

How dare you pink pinko pink call Bush a liar!!! YOU’RE the liar!!!

Weezle Wazzle

Human Events Online

cut

You just like to ride brooms!!!! You can’t even type, cause all you can do is ride a broom!!!!

Have a coke and a smile

Newsmax (again)

cut

I know I’m a spammer, but what are you?

Rememer the Alamo!!!!!

Town Hall Politics

cut

Bon Scott aka Finch aka Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer is a liar!!! and a pedophile!!! and he didn’t dot his “i” and cross his “t”!!!!

Burp

Only your hairdresser knows for sure!!!

And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is my analysis of Andy’s contributions to this blog.

In a “nut” shell.

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

Yep - RW is a moron. I SAID THEY WERE TYMPANIS. IT’S THE BEAT THAT IS IN QUESTION. The fact that you linked to LGF is hilarious. They have about the same credibility as FOX News. ZERO!

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

PLP,

I apologize to you, that little blurb you linked is enlightening. Now about those “Tom-Toms” they claim are playing when Ford’s name is mentioned, are you saying Corker is claiming that Harold Ford is an American Indian or a Brit perhaps?

By It's Only A Sex Act If The Boy's Father Is A Republican

October 27, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

By Midori October 27, 2006 11:44 AM Leave it to Andy to fantasize about putting someone’s penis in his mouth.

O.K. so the libs are on record that there is no big issue with a man suc-king his son’s penis, except for James Dobson getting any where near his own boy, of course.

I’m pretty sure Foley was just trying to be “happy” too, Broom Rider.

I wonder what they think about this:

Webb’s, democrat, Virginia, novels disturbingly and consistently – indeed, almost uniformly – portray women as servile, subordinate, inept, incompetent, promiscuous, perverted, or some combination of these. In novel after novel, Webb assigns his female characters base, negative characteristics.

By Pinko Invasion

October 27, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

Hey PLP, the ‘Debt Dodger’ thinks I’m you (11:32am). He’s got all those pesky Hillarycopters on radar, too.

Run for your lives everybody, the pinkos are coming, the pinkos are coming ! ! !

By It's Only A Sex Act If The Boy's Father Is A Republican

October 27, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

By Proud Liberal Pinko October 27, 2006 11:53 AM Sorry Andy. You’re wrong (as usual). You have me confused with someone else (WHAT!? Andy confused?).

I might go back through the archives later but Spammie said it was going to start using that exact name.

Blow me, chimpy.

By NightTrain

October 27, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

Midori, did you mean Konichiwa, B***? Oh well, it doesn’t really matter. The left only knows how to attack people. It would be nice to see you attack an issue or problem with the same gusto that you attack people.

By Its your fault

October 27, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

cont….

North Korea or Iran. We did it very succesfully with the Soviets and won.

It is your fault that Osama Bin Ladin roams free to make tapes while they are still finding pieces of his victims in New York.

If you voted for Bush and the GOP lots of things have been lost that may never come back and this would also be your fault.

The only remedy for this is to give the other side a shot. Vote Democratic no matter what in a couple of weeks. No matter what.

Then it can be someone else’s fault.

By It's Only A Sex Act If The Boy's Father Is A Republican

October 27, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

Ooops:

By Proud Liberal Pinko October 20, 2006 02:19 PM IMPEACH CHIMPY was getting old. I will now be known as Proud Liberal Pinko. Thanks to Andy for the inspiration.

O.K. so I can’t tell one pinko from another, pi-ss off.

By Midori

October 27, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

NightTrain,

I’m sorry, but I had a Dave Chapelle flashback when you said that if liberals had been in power during WW2, we’d all be speaking Japanese.

I didn’t mean it as an “attack”; I just felt like a ridiculous comment such as yours deserved an equally ridiculous reply.

peace.

By Trash Dump

October 27, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

OTTAWA (Reuters) - An American sex offender who was sentenced by a U.S. judge to three years “exile” in Canada was arrested by Canadian border guards on Thursday and faces deportation, the government said.

Canada to the US- ‘Take out your own trash’ ! ! !

By Midori

October 27, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

LOL, Andy.

Open wide

I know it’s not the real thing, however, you do posess a heckuva imagination.

Enjoy!!

By Paul

October 27, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this

Chickenhawk Republicans at 1146: you really are a one-note hyperpartisan, aren’t you? One more time - the supplemental appropriation is for items such as equipment maintenance and repair. The 2007 pay raises were just announced, gave higher raises to mid-level enlisteds. Oh, and President Bush was not part of the working groups that worked out the mundane details.

I’m sure there are other examples you could use that would lend some credibility to your position.

By bon scott

October 27, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

Pinko - I suspect the wingnuts don’t hear the drums because they’re deaf. Rush syndrome, probably. He can’t hear anything either.

And we all know why Rush can’t hear.

By Paul

October 27, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

(Midori 12:15) Nighttrain: “New Deal” Roosevelt was a Conservative?!!?

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

Sybil,

One person on here said they can’t hear the drums, see if you can figure out who that was. Hint: He’s the one that brought it up in the first place, the one up ^ ^ ^ there going into hysterical shouting fits over an LGF post that doesn’t do anything but laugh at you fools that see a racist behind every lamppost, or in your case a homophobe.

By Midori

October 27, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

Yo Andy,

here’s one your speed: How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

add that to your little blog-o-festo!!

By Goldie

October 27, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

“Maybe he will sketch up a Halloween cartoon featuring military cemeteries. He has already shown us his “respect” for our silent soldiers who come home covered by our country’s flag.”

Dusty— so I guess that means to you that NOT showing the flag-draped coffins at all is showing “respect”? How blind do you have to be in order to adhere to your ideology?

By Goldie

October 27, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

“I would love to here what ideas the Democrats have to solve:… Illegal Immigration - Crime - The war on terrorism - Education - Taxes - The Economy - Health Care”

Nightrain— take your blinders off and your eyes & ears away from Limbaugh and Fox News for a little while— actually do some investigating before posting your ignorance here:

Pelosi Says She Would Drain GOP ‘Swamp’

And that’s just the first 100 hours of change!

By getalife

October 27, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

Rush is our Borat!

By Paul

October 27, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

RW (the Original) and others interested -

Just had a nice, long, rational couple of discussions with a person over on Cagle’s Cartoon Forum Link: = http://cagle.msnbc.com/news/blog/

Part of the subject was usefulness of UN - he referenced article here Link: = http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ted-turner/un-reality-checkb32589.html

Haven’t read it through yet but does seem related to yesterday’s discussion. It was written by Ted Turner.

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

The blogger that set up the phony web site used to facilitate the leak of the Foley emails has been identified

Imagine my shock at discovering that it was a Democrat operative. Lots of ties to South Carolina too! How about that finch?

By Reebok

October 27, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

Awesome cartoon, Mike. Brilliant and biting. So get ready for the rightwingnuts to come out of the woodwork in their typical frothing-at-the-mouth fashion. Rush and the rest of the Republican Hate Machine keep pushing to see how far they can go before reasonable people say “Enough…” And the apparent answer is: there is no limit. Hard to believe that over 30% of the population still approve of the worst President in history.

By Ycart

October 27, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

Throw the Repuiblicans Bums out come November 07. Our country needs a new mission on foreigh policy.

By Peoples for a New Amerika' Century

October 27, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

(lol)

“The election is three weeks away and there are rumors the Republicans are getting ready for an election night disaster, which would be a first — a disaster they were actually prepared for.” —Bill Maher

By Cal

October 27, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

I come back after a week and Midori is still hung up on sex talk. Sheesh! Did she really type pink clit and link to a picture of cucumbers?

Is this the only place you can get it Midori? No man in your life? I can see why.

Luckovich, Cartoon sux, lousy correlation for satirical commentary. You already took a jab at Limbaugh. Wasn’t enough for you I guess. Had to take it into the absurd.

By Cindy

October 27, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

Very sad, but true, Mike.

The warwhore mongers keep raking in the big bucks. If we bring back the troops we’ll all see the true state of the economy; the truth of the sacrifice of our military.

May they rest in peace. We pray for them and work so that others don’t follow them needlessly.

IMPEACH BUSH NOW! NOW MORE CARELESS, NEEDLESS DEATH! FREE OUR MILITARY!

By Paul

October 27, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

Nighttrain:

You may want to read “Real Security: The Democratic Plan to Protect America and Restore Our Leadership in the World” - then you’ll have something from a source document to discuss.

Link: = http://a9.g.akamai.net/7/9/8082/v001/democratic1.download.akamai.com/8082/pdfs/20060329_realsecurity.pdf

By getalife

October 27, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

Finch leaked the Foley emails?

Way to go finch!

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

That’s quite a plan from Nan.

Day 1—-Fire Harry Reid’s kids

Day 2—-Turn our government over to an unelected, out of control commission.

I shudder to think what Dictator Pelosi thinks she’ll do after that.

By bon scott

October 27, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

Monkeyshines - LGF should be stamped “for entertainment purposes only”. It’s an insane place, and I highly recommend it.

And your drunken friend’s the true homophobe.

As for the commercial, it’s right out of the Karl Rove handbook. It’s devious.

By Paul

October 27, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

Chris at 11:40: amazing how you group people. O’Reilly will be on Oprah’s broadcast today. Perhaps you could watch/record it and let us know what he says that makes him a right-wing, Bush-loving sheepherder.

And catch him tonight on Letterman, too.

By Midori

October 27, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

Cal,

you’re more than welcome to suck on one.

plenty for you and Andy.

why don’t you share?

R U horney?

cute butt bouncing in the air

Want to measure it 4 me?

and if you’ll note twit, I didn’t start the fire.

scroll up, dumb a$$.

Andy opened that floodgate.

but then being the coward wingnut that you are, I suppose it’s much easier to attack a woman. The truth is I probably have more guts and stones than you and that pitiful jerk Andy combined.

Is THIS the only place YOU can get turned on??? Betcha like getting slapped around by women, huh?

When u measure it, don’t 4get to post a pic.

Jerkwad.

By Goldie

October 27, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

RW— info from the NY Times article that your Neo-Con website forgot to mention about the Foley case:

After the messages appeared on the Web, at stopsexpredators.blogspot.com, the Web site of ABC News followed with its own independent report. The ABC News report resulted in the disclosure of more sexually explicit electronic messages that Mr. Foley sent to other former Congressional pages

And the article ends with this quote: “The true hero here is the page who reported the e-mails in the first place.”

By Midori

October 27, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

wah!! wah!! wah!!!

Cal doesn’t like Mike’s cartoon.

I’ll bet Mike is o-so heartbroken.

Like your stupid, whiny condemnation really means something.

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

We all owe our soldiers a debt of gratitude, especially those who have been wounded in battle. That includes those who have suffered psychological injuries like post-traumatic stress disorder.

Doctors suggest a safe environment, counseling, and sometimes medication for people going through this ordeal. Instead, the GOP leadership is shipping them back out onto the front lines, as this CBS report documents. That’s not only horrific for the soldier with PTSD, but it places everybody around him or her at risk.

Wonder how many people with “Support Our Troops” ribbons on their cars know what they’re voting for when they vote Republican?

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

Thanks Goldie,

Have you ever wondered how all these different places work completely independently from each other and magically come up with the exact same story at the exact same time? It must seem pretty remarkable to those of you walking around behind the little animals.

By Dave

October 27, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

I smashed your boy O’Really

By Paul

October 27, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Proud Liberal Pinko at 1:18: The members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Commanding General CENTCOM and the general officer corps are GOP leadership”?

Wow.

By It's Only A Sex Act If The Boy's Father Is A Republican

October 27, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

Broom Rider: Is suc-king the little boy’s pe-nis just acceptable for the Father or can an uncle do it too, one big “happy” family and all?

I’m just trying to establish the rules, you libs are all over the freaking place.

By getalife

October 27, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

This is how the pos gop support the troops

By Buy Danish

October 27, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

Well it looks like I’m batting 500 today. Humanistic Jones is thanking me (You’re welcome) and LuvMikeL is crying because he’s a newbie and …I’m not sure what his point is.

RW,

I thought this LGF comment from New_Tommy about the “racist” tympani was hilarious:

{{I got the message loud and clear:

Bob Corker: a man from the Dark Continent.

No way I’m voting for Corker, now!}}

By Cindy

October 27, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

rW, I find it hard to believe you are actually trying to blame somebody for uncovering a pervert. Is this a new right wing thing: pervert politics? Isn’t everyone on both sides would glad that a 53 year old male that preys on young inexperienced men is identified and booted out of his position of power over them? Does it really matter how it came to be, but that it was done?

By Cindy

October 27, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this

Redneck, Then how about we put all those Iraqi dollars into our inner cities to stop the fighting there and protect the innocent? Can anyone even imagine how much better our country would be if charity really did begin at home? If instead of paying Halliburton to rebuild a foreign country we paid them to rebuild our own deterioration? Isn’t anyone outraged about the wasted billions? Thousands of lives, billions of dollars. For what???? Has anyone seen the federal report that 11-55% of reconstruction funds has gone to overhead (and this is not security)? This administration had so much potential to do so much good and blew it. They are truly the scum.

By Paul

October 27, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this

Dave (Letterman) at 1:23: Great link! I just KNEW you posted here under various pseudonyms! Same grasp of the issues, same buttressing of opinions with facts, same demonstrated ability to - gasp - read a book! Yup, I knew I’d heard it here.

By bon scott

October 27, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this

ml’s cartoon is at least reminding people that the wasted war in Iraq has a terrible price. Not one of his best, though.

And while the war in Iraq drags on, the Bush administration continues to overlook the far bigger threat. It’s bigger than Iraq. It has more people than Iraq. It’s still the birthplace, the training ground and the headquarters for well organized international terrorists. The kind that blows up trains in Europe and buildings in the US instead of buses in Baghdad. And Bush is all but ignoring it:

October 26, 2006 - VANCOUVER, British Columbia The NATO presence in Afghanistan could last at least another decade, the commander of U.S. forces in the central Asian nation said Thursday.

If the war on terror were really a war on terror, the war would not be in Iraq. I’m looking forward to a Democratic House that will nail all the fools responsible for this mess.

By getalife

October 27, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this

Only gop Congressman like Foley Andy.

By Goldie

October 27, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

RW— I’m sorry that one of your Neo-Con heroes turned out to be a child-predator… we’re all crying for you in sympathy here.

By Cindy

October 27, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

Duh, Paul. They are in the chain. It is Bush/Cheney/Rummy making the rules followed by the military; Generals on down.

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

Paul - one question. Who do they answer too? I’ll give you a minute to think about it.

By bon scott

October 27, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

By It’s Only A Sex Act If The Boy’s Father Is A Republican - October 27, 2006 01:24 PM - Broom Rider: Is suc-king the little boy’s pe-nis just acceptable for the Father or can an uncle do it too, one big “happy” family and all?

Andy, I just love you newest name. You may be the most sex obsessed person I know.

I’ll put Jim Webb’s book right next to Lynn Cheney’s lesbian bodice buster. How’s that?

It’s fiction, you drunk. Go back to your rubber novelties.

By Buy Danish

October 27, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

Isn’t everyone on both sides would glad that a 53 year old male that preys on young inexperienced men is identified and booted out of his position of power over them? Does it really matter how it came to be, but that it was done?

Cindy the Whistle-Blower,

I’ll ignore your hypercharged synapses. How old was Bill Clinton when “he preyed on young inexperienced (wo)men”, and how come he was never “booted out of his position of power over them”?

We’re glad Foley resigned. Just trying to figure out why Democrats don’t, and why you’re still mad at those of us who thought he should have.

By rushncap

October 27, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

BTW, that reminds me, I never made such a claim, RW. You’re just being your usual lying colostomy bag again.

However, since you hate this country so much, you’re all eager to see it lose the one advantage we have over the rest of the world: our technological edge. You just can’t wait for it to slip into mediocrity, another empire that got too arrogant and lazy to sustain itself. And you say —liberals— hate America?

By Paul

October 27, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

Cindy at 1:35 Don’t really want to get into a “Duh” comment when you evidently don’t really understand running day to day military operations, unit rotations, individual services’ (and commands within services) and Unified command policies, do you?

Proud Liberal Pinko at 1:36: see above. Your hysterical cry was “the GOP leadership is shipping them back.” As if the civilian heads of the Executive and the services are the initiators of what is essentially a low-level determination of fitness for duty.

But, any line that sounds good without thinking is good for bashing the GOP, I suppose.

By Cindy

October 27, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

Has anyone seen the 2008 budget proposal? The military is short over $17.8 billion. We keep sending our soldiers, sailors and airmen into a combat zone underfunded, underarmored, underequiped, undermanned. They must continually do with less and less. Is it only the liberals who are outraged over this? The conservatives seem happy to wave the flag, give lip service to supporting the troops, then underprotect them when they go to war.

By It's Only A Sex Act If The Boy's Father Is A Republican

October 27, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

By oddball gay finch October 27, 2006 01:32 PM October 26, 2006 - VANCOUVER, British Columbia The NATO presence in Afghanistan could last at least another decade, the commander of U.S. forces in the central Asian nation said Thursday. Waaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

What a jag:

In June 1950, when the Communist government of North Korea attacked South Korea, Harry Truman (democrat) conferred promptly with his military advisers. 60th Anniversary of U.S. Occupation of South Korea.

What a stroker.

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

Paul - apparently it is you who doesn’t “really understand running day to day military operations”. When the administration starts a war of choice with too few armed personnel the generals must make due any way they can. Short of instituting a draft, which Bush won’t do because his base would have to send their own children, they have no choice but to ship them back when they are clearly not ready.

What is your reasoning for supporting sending these poor souls back to Iraq?

By Buy Danish

October 27, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

RW,

Is rushncap saying that if we aren’t in the vanguard of embryonic stem cell research technology that we’ll slip into mediocrity and that will be the end of our “empire”?

By Cindy

October 27, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

Paul, I probably know more than you ever will. Yes, I know the importance of keeping the units together and moving them without holes. However, I also know the strain on the undermanned military creates the necessity to send mentally ill soldiers into a war zone. I am sorry, but being a part of the military family, I want better for our warfighters.

By Cindy

October 27, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

It is so typical of the Neocons to ignore the needy that it is natural for them to ignore our warfighters needs as they go into a war zone. This has been proven since March 2003.

By getalife

October 27, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Duh, the gop deserve bashing. You seem full of yourself and I do not see why.

Not too bright in my opinion. Look at the outcome of the gop actions genius.

Get real.

By Dusty

October 27, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

I am not so blind that I can’t see that Luckovich is using our armed forces who are dead for an absurd politcal ploy against a TV commentator. Are you trying to tell me that such an insult is a tribute to our military? And you like it?

My son was in the military and came home safely. If he hadn’t and I saw Luckovich’s display of coffins as a ludicrous cartoon bit, I would be making a case against him in every way possible.

This is war time and these soldiers died with honor. Is it asking too much for Americans at home to show at least a little respect for these dead who sacrificed so much?

Don’t give me that old Democratic line that Bush did it. That is such a cop out for dishonor and your basis for approving dishonor in war time. Do you and Luckovich even know that we are at war against terrorism, not Americans?

By Cindy

October 27, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

How many fewer military coffins would there be if we had sent our warfighters to Iraq equiped and armored to the fullest of our technology and wealth (which we did not do)?

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

[WASHINGTON (Reuters) - More than 200 active duty U.S. armed service members, fed up with the war in Iraq, have joined an unusual protest calling for withdrawal of U.S. troops from the country, organizers said on Wednesday. ADVERTISEMENT

The campaign, called the Appeal for Redress from the War in Iraq, is the first of its kind in the Iraq war and takes advantage of Defense Department rules allowing active duty troops to express personal opinions to members of Congress without fear of retaliation, organizers said.

“As a patriotic American proud to serve the nation in uniform, I respectfully urge my political leaders in Congress to support the prompt withdrawal of all American military forces and bases from Iraq,” states the appeal posted on the campaign’s Web site at www.appealforredress.org.

“Staying in Iraq will not work and is not worth the price. It is time for U.S. troops to come home,” it adds.](http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061025/tsnm/iraqusacampaigndc)

By bon scott

October 27, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

Comparing Korea to Afghanistan is an impossible stretch. Even for you.

Have another drink.

By George

October 27, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

From Peggy Noonan

This is two weeks ago, from a Bush appointee: “I hope they lose the House.” And one week ago, from a veteran of two GOP White Houses: “I hope they lose Congress.” Republicans this year don’t say “we” so much. What is behind this? A lot of things, but here’s a central one: They want to fire Congress because they can’t fire President Bush.

By Paul

October 27, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

Proud Liberal Pinko at 2:04: LOLOLOLOL!!

I suppose we’re back to the “dodge an answer by asking a question.” I take that as an admission you do somewhat recognize the difference between the chain of command and setting policies inherent in running daily ops.

So, in the spirit of your example, could you enlighten us upon the evolution of the 2-war to 1-war 1 major regional conflict doctrine in budget and force planning; why, if our military was budgeting and planning for that level of conflict the Iraq war began “so short of people and equipment” - careful, check procurement lead times, program office milestones, then remember just who was the President back then (since the other thing we do is blame everything on the President).

Too few personnel in numbers or availability? So SecDef pulls troops from S Korea and Kerry squawks? Perhaps that’ en example of his strategic prowess?

Well enough. Not challenging enough. Perhaps you could shift to problems in Health and Human Services causing the Iraq debacle - or something equally related.

What was your point again? Chain of Command? Uh, no. Basics of force planning? Nope, again. Civilian leadership involvement in service policies? No no no. Lessee, weapons system development and resource allocation amongst the services? No again. Oh yes, I remember - GOP bad!

By bon scott

October 27, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

Hot off the presses.

Rush Limbaugh is suffering from a degenerative disease:

Now, I know this may offend those who suffer from this particular condition, and these individuals might not like it much when I suggest that a certain person with this diagnosis is exaggerating his symptoms, but I have to say, I think Rush Limbaugh is suffering from EDS.

At this point, it’s probably useful to review the most common symptoms exhibited by a person with EDS for those not up to speed on them:

Search for the cure. And vote the Bush GOP out November 7.

By George

October 27, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

Another one bites the dust!

WASHINGTON — Lawyers sought leniency Friday for a former Bush administration official convicted in a lobbying scandal. But the judge suggested he would be moved only if David Safavian expressed remorse.

By Paul

October 27, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

getalife at 2:08 Why is it, when someone makes an inacurrate comment, is asked to provide an explanation, so I come back with a “not really the way it works” funjab you have to interject with more namecalling and a tie-in to GOP-hate? I do notice that when there’s a topic about which you have strong feelings, that if someone challenges the opinion you tend to jump in with an insult and never address the issue at hand.

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

Paul - I’ll answer yours if you’ll answer mine.

What is your reasoning for supporting sending these poor souls back to Iraq?

By It's Only A Sex Act If The Boy's Father Is A Republican

October 27, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

By oddball gay finch October 27, 2006 02:13 PM Comparing Korea to Afghanistan is an impossible stretch. Even for you.

I know, stroker, in ten years Afghanistan will be a rebuilt fully functional free democracy and NoKo will still be a mass murdering basket case, courtesy of Truman’s failure to wipe China’s troops out when they swarmed over the border.

He pulled a Murtha and cut and runned.

As usual, 4 or 5 million people are dead because democrats are pus-sies.

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

Paul - how can someone who seems so intelligent be so friggin wrong about everything? At the start of the war Bush’s administration was told it would take 300,000 troops. What did Rummy send?

You’re good with words but crappy at reasoning.

By Paul

October 27, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Cindy at 2:11 I offer this in all seriousness. You asked an excellent question. Do you remember when Rumsfeld made his famous “you go to war with the military you’ve got” statement? That was exactly the issue. Hummers were designed as a modular-platform replacement for jeeps, trucks, etc. Armored urban warfare vehicles were avoided like the plague - the Army wasn’t much into urban warfare - it’s bloody, messy, bad PR and has an entire support system different than the big-ticket weapons that were in the pipeline. Weapons system development lead times (concept - demonstration - initial systems - testing - refinement - production, etc) takes years, so to be available for this style of warfare, they would have to have been in the pipeline well before Pres Bush was elected.

When Rumsfeld first entered duty as SecDef there was much speculation he wouldn’t survive, that he would have to resign. This was pre-9/11. Check some old Newsweeks or Times. The reason was he wanted to “transform” the military. Skip a generation of new weapons. Shift from traditional forces to greater emphasis on special forces. Revise doctrine away from Cold War and onto the new, emerging battlefields. He faced tremendous opposition, from the uniformed services and politicians/companies whose districts would be affected. Then 9-11 happened.

I see from your followups you are seriously concerned about this - so accept my apology for a flippant answer earlier. There are a number, such as the cohort who posted about the same time, who use anything as a “bash Bush” jumping-off point.

By Cindy

October 27, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

Paul, Body armor and additional vehicle armor was available for our troops in March 2003. The current administration chose not to expend the funds for our warfighters. Remember family members buying body armor for their loved ones? The military had the funds to do the same, but didn’t. The funding was there!! The armor was available!!! Our warfighters were screwed!! Oh, and who was in power in March 2003 and since?? Who got all the war supplementals for billions? They still have a shortage in Iraq today! Must have all gone to Haliburton. Oh, but let’s don’t critize the company making money, even if it does take away from the warfighters safety.

By Midori

October 27, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

I think I’ll change my name to “It’s only Spam if a Liberal does it”

By Cindy

October 27, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

Yes, Paul. Please tell us. Did you know that if you walk into a recruiting station with PTSD you cannot get recruited into military service? Then why are they sending these poor kids to war???

Do you ever talk to military wives about their soldier husbands and the effects of a single deployment not to mention multiple ones?

Typical neocon who really doesn’t care, but I bet he has a magnetic ribbon on his car.

It is about time to let the American public see the coffins; see the sacrifices of our warfighters; see the reality of this war. Then they will truly have honor and respect.

By Paul

October 27, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this

Proud Liberal Pinko at 2:30 ‘scuse the sarcasm at 2:19 - I’ll be serious.

Your question and it’s inherent assumptions illustrates my point.

I read your remarks from the linked article (which didn’t cite anyone higher that a doctor) as blaming GOP leadership for some Army unit decisions to assess previously-ill soldiers fit for duty and rotation back to theater. My answer never justified that policy. I said “GOP leadership” was not involved at that level. You then tied that to general officer competency, assumptions about the viability of a draft, ascribed motives to Republicans, etc. In short, went all over the map.

I do not believe I ever mentioned Iraq.

Would I institute a draft? No, for many reasons. Would I reallocate force levels among the services, so rather than adding numbers, we shift? Absolutely. Would I take special program pay from some military personnel and shift to other areas? You bet.
Would I restructure grade levels and cut high-cost senior military/civilian positions so there would be more operational troops available? Absolutely. Would I send troops who had suffered from PTSS back to Iraq? I’d ask General Casey and General Abizaid why it was happening and what the options were. Then I’d decide.

By Cindy

October 27, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Paul.

By Edwin Williams

October 27, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Another exercise in very poor taste by Mr. Luckovich. I guess “odure blanc” like him will never learn class, no matter how much money they make mocking capitalism:)

By Dusty

October 27, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

Cindy,

Our armed forces are the best equipped in the world. You are obviously trying for leftist political points.

I see you also support Luckovich’s output of disrespect for our dead soldiers. Oh, pardon me. His satire. No surprise there.

My parents are buried in a military cemetery. I hope Luckovich never gets near there.

By getalife

October 27, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

That is the way we do it here at the ml blog Paul.

There is no honest debate, the “neonuts” never admit failures.

Intellectually dishonest.

Just the facts here Paul, a no spin zone if you will.

We have Andy and his ilk for the “neonut” propaganda.

By Paul

October 27, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

Cindy at 2:41 Some real concerns there, you may want to check a site such as Link: = www.factcheck.org

Numerous body armor references, including (from 13 Oct): But as we have reported before, more money would not have produced any more body armor for troops in Iraq or anywhere else. The military already had increased its orders for body armor ten-fold using existing funds, and suppliers were unable to produce armor fast enough to meet the sudden spike demand.

Same was true for “up-armoring” Humvees. Facilities with capability were pretty much running at capacity.

BTW - funding for Halliburton-type operations neither adds nor detracts from funds available for personal protection gear or equipment modifications.

By Goldie

October 27, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this

“so to be available for this style of warfare, they would have to have been in the pipeline well before Pres Bush was elected.”

Paul— so, with everyone having all of this info, what exactly was the big hurry in starting an invasion if we knew that we were ill-prepared to deal with the aftermath? I’m really interested in your answer.

By Dusty

October 27, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Paul.

By Paul

October 27, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

Proud Liberal Pinko at 2:35 “At the start of the war Bush’s administration was told it would take 300,000 troops. What did Rummy send? You’re good with words but crappy at reasoning.”

PLP: you’re repeating the oft-inacurrate remarks regarding force level planning. There were two prewar issues: the “attack” force and the “occupation” force (substitute the words in quotes for whatever makes you comfortable). Initial war plans were force-heavy and rehashed Desert Storm. First disagreements between Rumsfeld and Army planners (see earlier “transformation” remarks). Initial plans were modified, numbers reduced, and the attack was successful (there were a few harrowing moments and some supply concerns, which did not detract from overall operational success).

The second issue was “occupation/reconstruction.” Army did not/does not like this “nation building” role. Forget numbers, planning for this phase was seriously lacking. General Shinseki (Army Chief of Staff) is the source for the 300,000 - but even then, that number was not seriously entertained at CENTCOM, who was responsible for the planning. Wolfowitz, et al challenged this - had some good reasons, had some lousy reasons.

But the fact was, postwar occupation planning was lacking (remember the looting, the Army forces watching it and asking “what are our rules of engagement?”).

By Paul

October 27, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

Cindy at 2:52 - you are welcome.

getalife at 2:58 - thanks for the explanation.

Dusty at 2:57 Yes, are forces are “best equipped” - although a case can be made other countries have individual pieces of equipment/weapons superior to some of our - but we are loathe to buy from foreign countries.

I don’t think it’s a question of scoring leftist political points. Some very dedicated, geopolitically conservative people make excellent cases for getting away from big-ticket jobs-program weapons systems and channeling the funds to more mundane items. But I do not see such reforms as happening. And that does not make me a liberal panty-waist commie pinko whatever.

By JN

October 27, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

Fixated buffoon.

By Buy Danish

October 27, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

Cindy the Chickensquawker,

Two questions:

1) What does Michael J. Fox and Rush Limbaugh have to do with our fallen soldiers, and why is Mike Luckovich exploiting their death for his irrelevant “satire”?

2) Do you ever stop with your cry baby whining?

By Proud Liberal Pinko

October 27, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

Regarding Rummy’s statement that “you go to war with the military you have”. It seems to me that the point is being missed.

We didn’t have to go to war in Iraq. Our numbers were plenty strong enough to take Afghanistan AND get Bin Laden. Now it appears that we failed at both because of Iraq.

By Cindy

October 27, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

Quote your articles, Paul. Did you actually check the DLA inventory lists? There was available body armor and vehicle protection at military facilities that could have been used.

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I don’t know what rushncap is trying to say, but I’ll go get his comment when I get a chance. I think is that “Utopia” he tells us so much about after he has a few bong hits.

Maybe you could help explain why Cindy & Goldie think my pointing out that it was in fact a Democrat that set up the web site to “mainstream” the Foley memos means I support Foley. Do you think they remember screeching about how it was a Republican that did it?

I finished your bolding if you want to check it.

By Cindy

October 27, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Dusty, That is the point. We had great potential to protect our soldiers and didn’t. We could have given them more and didn’t. That was a choice made by this administration. If families can buy body armor, so can the US government. We owed our warfighters everything we could possible give them. This administration didn’t properly plan, so they sent these kids into war without all the benefits available. There is no valid reason to send troops into war without all the equipment and armor available, but this administration deemed it was okay to do so. Additionally, they sent such a lean group into Iraq that they literally drove by stockpiles of ammunition and left them because they had to move onward. There was nobody behind them to destroy those stockpiles because this administration deemed it wise not to send a fully manned, equiped, and armored force into a war zone. So go ahead with your insincere hysterics against Mike’s toon. We know that those who support this administration supported their failed obligations to the troops. BTW, I will be buried in Arlington National.

By Paul

October 27, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Dusty at 3:11 followup - although best equipped, could be lots better for average solder/Marine. The last line of my previous post was a preempt at the “you criticized anything military you most be a lib” crowd.

Hi Goldie at 3:10 I pretty much gave my opinion at 3:11. Big difference between defeating an enemy on the battlefield and rebuilding an “artificial” country. The point was - there was no real good planning for the occupation/reconstruction. False assumptions were embraced. Events no one foresaw occurred. And none of that had anything to do with numbers.

Army/Marines just executed a change in doctrine to reflect realities of lessons from Iraq. “Doctrine” is top-level - planning, training, equipment, tactics, etc flow from this.

By Paul

October 27, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

JN: The serious discussion will be over shortly. I trust you’ll be more comfortable with what follows.

By Buy Danish

October 27, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

RW,

Are you listening to the Kimmer?

By Keith Malinak

October 27, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

What a pathetic stretch, Luckovich.

By Paul

October 27, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

Cindy at3:27 Doesn’t surprise me. DLA usually does a super job - but no matter the urgency, situation, whatever, there are always going to be disconnects. Some have more serious consequences than others. Not as bad as querying DLA, getting a “nonavail” response, scouring other locations, letting a contract - then finding the items you need in a warehouse.

There is a more serious issue underway than availability of body armor, though, and that’s the type of body armor being certified/procured and possible “irregularities” in the testing, shutting out newer, more effective armor. This deserves some serious attention. Don’t want to go too much more into this - some others seem to be getting a bit restless (although I did not know our posting prevented them from posting on other topics more to their liking).

By fred

October 27, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

I don’t feel the need to waste too much time on this one. With the trends in circulation, by this time next year it won’t matter if Libovick has a job or not…If a tree falls in the woods and there is no one there…

By Cindy

October 27, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Good Point, Pinko! That would have been the best plan. This administration fails completely in the leadership area of planning.

By Cindy

October 27, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

Yes, Paul. I have heard about the defects. I was appalled. I agree though that such a discussion is not to the liking here.

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I hadn’t been. Is it the flag issue you’re thinking about?

Here’s that wordy diatribe about the wonders of government by rushncap. I’m only copying paragraph 2:

[By Karl “rusncap” Marx—Now back to reality. No pharmaceutical company can afford to research an entire new line of medicines from scratch. Just like Boing can’t afford to derive every equation it has used to build its planes, and Dow Corning cannot develop every single step of chemical process they use. This is why we have government-funded research in this country. [[[[[Government funds the most basic research in just about every area, and only once the methodology, the theory and the fundamentals are developed do private companies make the last step and commercialize the technology}}}}}}. If you want to cure Parkinsons, for instance, you do not found a company and start from nothing. You found a company on the basis of already established research, with the promise of a very good chance that the approach would succeed.

It’s possible that “Boing” is Boeing or I guess it could be a rubber ball company, but I doubt it’s Big Pharma.

By getalife

October 27, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Please answer this question:

By Thomas

October 27, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

Hi Gang -0-

Miss me?

Stray the Course!

Dubya’ Got back from his fishing trip

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/I/j/bushfishingnew_orleans.jpg

And said he wanted to salute the Troops for their bravery in Iraq.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=politicalhumor&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dw_bylg-Jjz8

This cartoon today was very good Mike, taking a stab at the GOP who apparently do not believe the events unfoldding in front of their eyes. As long as they have power, they need not worry about humanity and the down-trodden.

From Rush making fun of Parkinson’s Disease, to troops dying over there that we try and hide the flag draped bodies from the news media lest it upset the GOP propaganda mission.

Then there are the hand fed talk show host constantly plying their monologues and rhetoric to smear anyone that even attempts to question the illogical acts our President or Congress has done. It doesn’t matter if their targets of spin served our country as war heroes, or they lost their child in the war for oil monopoly and aggressive empire building. They are the enemy and must be made to look like traitors to Freedom.

This is “Real Enough” today.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15442751/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15443701/

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/10/27/tomtomcellulartraffic_tech/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15444915/

This is definitly not a course we should stay!

Thanks Mike!

Even though we cannot show photos of the caskets coming back home, at least we still have the freedom to draw a picture of it. At least for now until they suppress that freedom too.

Perhaps when we become an Authoritarian nation, and Police State, these same neocon sheep will s

By Cindy

October 27, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

Paul, Another issue that gets me is that an old reservist friend got orders for Iraq in October 2002. Somebody up there knew the plan, yet failed to prepare well for it. I know logistics is slow….look at how long it took to set up for Desert Storm. But a 5-6 month lead was enough to get proper equipment to the assigned strength.

By Mike

October 27, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

Personally what I’m most grateful for is that when GWB needs military advice he gets it from generals and admirals and NOT Mike Lukovich. You guys are so stuck on your Viet Nam template … Ah, if it were only the 60’s again. LBJ would’ve been afraid of us … the press definitely made sure that we lost in Viet Nam, but as long as GWB is in the Whitehouse the press will have a fight on it’s hands and Iraq will have a chance. Apply a little critical thinking to Mike Lukovich’s work and what you find is his lack of any alternative whatsoever. A more appropriate caption would be, “Mike Lukovich keeps saying they were doing a lousy job.”

By Cindy

October 27, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish, 1. It is a cartoon. What does Bambi have to do with the deer in your roaster? I don’t believe it is expoiting the sacrifices of our military as much as the bush administration has.

By Ckarles

October 27, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

I’m so happy to have moved to FL and able to get away from what the AJC and Luckovich spew forth every day. My liberal democrat wife can even spot the thinly veiled bias in what is supposed to be “news” reporting. As a native from Marietta, I hate what Atlanta has become. I credit much of the decline in civility to the AJC and the local news networks.

As far as the cartoons of yesterday and today are concerned, if any one in the media had actually listen to what Rush said and what Michael Fox had said in his Diane Sawyer interview…..wait, I don’t guess it would have made any difference afterall. It would have gotten in the way of some great Conservative bashing.

Ba-Bye

By mike

October 27, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

Personally what I’m most grateful for is that when GWB needs military advice he gets it from generals and admirals and NOT Mike Lukovich. You guys are so stuck on your Viet Nam template … Ah, if it were only the 60’s again. LBJ would’ve been afraid of us … the press definitely made sure that we lost in Viet Nam, but as long as GWB is in the Whitehouse the press will have a fight on it’s hands and Iraq will have a chance. Apply a little critical thinking to Mike Lukovich’s work and what you find is his lack of any alternative whatsoever. A more appropriate caption would be, “Mike Lukovich keeps saying they were doing a lousy job.”

By Paul

October 27, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

getalife: Good cartoon. He took some heat from servicemembers’ families.

Answers in my mind range all over the map. Misunderstanding of the realpolitik. A noble effort gone bad. New geopolitical realities hit traditional planning/force employment head-on. Addition to the battlefield of nonstate fighters. Tribal animosities. Immoral religious ideology. Lots more “explanations” possible.

That’s what made it a good cartoon. Simple question. No simple answers.

By Buy Danish

October 27, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

RW,

He’s been talking about that POS Mike Luckovich.

By Midori

October 27, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

Thomas!!!

you bet your sweet bippy I missed you!!!

:)

By getalife

October 27, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Paul,

The answer has changed many times.

This tells me there is no honest answer.

This war is dishonest and full of lies.

By Paul

October 27, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

Cindy at 4:06 The telling word in your remarks is “reservist.” Not active force - reservist, at that stage.

Again, I think many planners did not foresee the type of “occupation warfare” that would occur - or what the extent of requirements were. Heck, I know AF enlisteds - not even security forces - pulling force protection duties and convoy escort duties. Don’t know if the handled a weapon more than a few hours in basic.

Lesson learned for Iran - but that’s a discussion for another day!

By It's Only A Sex Act If The Boy's Father Is A Republican

October 27, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

By Thomas October 27, 2006 04:05 PM Perhaps when we become an Authoritarian nation, and Police State, these same neocon sheep will s

Dear Blowhard Junior: While you were away, the blog character limiter remained in place.

No one has come around to your long winded pointless proclamations, maybe your boyfriends get excited, no?

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

How about we draw a cartoon showing about a million full term babies that have had a hole drilled in their head and their brains sucked out, with luckovich standing there saying “Look at all the healthy mothers?” Would that be “REAL ENOUGH” or is that something that should be hidden from view?

By Buy Danish

October 27, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

Cindy,

Since you complained that even a “single deployment” is problematic, what DO you hope to accomplish for the military in the world according to Cindy?

RW,

Dow-Corning nearly went bankrupt over those phony breast implant lawsuits, so as long as we have trial lawyers Karl Marx Rushncap may be right that companies can’t afford to do their own research.

Of course his “Necessity of Federal Funding theory” does not work for embryonic stem cell research because companies ARE doing it and they ARE not getting Federal funding. He will probably tell us that’s why it hasn’t worked so far.

By Political Foreskin

October 27, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

W’s new Iraq slogan: Malice to the Militias!!!

By Nick

October 27, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

Jokes, stories(of the news variety,)and cartoons all have one thing in common. Twist the truth at the points it is most easily twisted and you are guaranteed to stir the waters. Personally, I would be ashamed to have a following that accepeted as gospel the events and stories you misconstrue. Do you really feel like a success? Did you honestly take the time to listen to Rush’s sound bytes? I know, I know…that would mean developing a new cartoon. You are truly clever, and of that I have been a fan. Your lack of discernment and judgement, however, is continually becoming a disappointment.

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

He does that pretty often.

By Paul

October 27, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

getalife at 4:22 Yes, it has.
“Honest” is a loaded word in this forum. My personal belief is Bush believed what he said. I’m not sure about others, such as Wolfowitz. I think there was honest divergence in the assessments - heck that’s what analysis is. But the “Bush Lied” refrain?

Let me illustrate. The 2005 Nobel Prize for Medicine was awarded jointly to Drs. Marshall and Warren for (simplifying) showing ulcers are caused by a bacterium. They had a dickens of a time over the years, getting funding for research, getting published. Were scorned by much of the medical community, who knew ulcers were caused by a variety of factors - stress, excess acid, etc. The other doctors continued with the traditional diagnoses and prescribed millions of dollars’ worth of drugs (there’s another topic!). All those doctors and drug companies were flat wrong. Did they lie? I think not - had a vested interest, sure, but they spoke what they believed. When later evidence proved their beliefs wrong to say they “lied” would be most inappropriate.”

Must run some errands. Have a fine weekend.

By Thomas

October 27, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

Hey Mike —

It wasn’t the Press that caused us to lose that war, but hey they sure make a great scapegoat for the failures of leadership that ran the war from stateside, now don’t they?

Again - Just like Iraq, I have to ask - Just why were we there in the first place?

And also like Iraq “The war on Terrorism”, why was it called “A polics Action” rather than what it really was.. A War!???

Cheers

By George

October 27, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

Apparently Bush is coming to Georgia to go Trick or Treating on Halloween. Can we start guessing what he will be dressed as?

By Thomas

October 27, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this

Ohhh —

I get back and look how fast the neocons pounce me trying to slam me and smear my words. They must protect der’ Fuhrer!.. for da’ FatherLaund!

Sure RW —

Draw that toon of drill hole babies and place it right nest to the REAL picture of the soldier holding the 8 year old little girl in Iraq with her brains dripping out of whats left of her skull from one of our attacks.

By Goldie

October 27, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

“The point was - there was no real good planning for the occupation/reconstruction. False assumptions were embraced. Events no one foresaw occurred.”

1) there have been plans developed since the 90’s preparing for the occupation of Iraq, but Rummy decided to throw those plans away. Apparently he thought he knew more than everyone else about this.

2) False assumptions were embraced, and other assumptions were entirely rejected by this administration. See #1 above.

3) Your final statement that “events no one foresaw occurred” is FALSE — SEE #1 above. It was well-planned for an insurgency to occur once we invaded — these plans didn’t matter to Rummy because he had his own plan — THIS ADMINISTRATION IS INCOMPETENT AND A TOTAL FAILURE.

By Political Foreskin

October 27, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

Okay, there’s Polar Bears. There’s Yogi Berra. AND: there’s Bi-Polar Yogi Berra-isms.. ..like, “when I come to a fork in the road, I always need to spoon someone……It aint over if she says it’s over, there’s still the drunken 4am phone calls and the restraining order…..If you come to a fork in your vein, slit it…Psychosis is 90% mental and the other half is forgetting to take your meds. …

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

My 4:34 response is about Kimmer ripping the scribbler, but the 4:32 you sneaked in there makes it look like it’s about our resident socialist. I guess the answer applies either way.

By Goldie

October 27, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

“the press definitely made sure that we lost in Viet Nam,”

Mike @ 4:14— blaming the press for reporting the news always works so well for you Neo-Cons, doesn’t it? Just keep that up now…

By bon scott

October 27, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

Andy, at least you’re not too drunk to realize that 10 more years in Afghanistan is about 8 or 9 years too long, and that a lot more could be done if the war on terror was shifted from Iraq to Afghanistan, where the real enemies are. Thank you!

Here’s another reason to be scared about Bush’s neglect of Afghanistan:

Afghanistan has become a narco-state funding the Taliban, Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda yet we’re passing the buck to Afghanistan, the British, and NATO.

It’s bad enough that the Bush GOP can’t admit that it made a mistake invading Iraq. The real crime is it’s “stay the course” strategy. Ignoring the obvious. The crazies responsible for 9/11 did not come from Iraq. The crazies planning the next 9/11 aren’t in Iraq, either.

Vote the Bush GOP war idiots out November 7.

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

Since you’ve only been gone about a week and I’m sure haven’t done a single constructive thing while you were gone, why are you in here begging for a welcome home party?

Are there millions and counting of these eight year olds in Iraq and what kind of sick bastard accuses our soldiers of posing with the dripping brains of the most recent eight year old they murdered?

FU

By Timmy

October 27, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

TIIMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

TIIMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH,TIIMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

TIIMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

By getalife

October 27, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

Paul,

If you want read some inside reports on Iraq try “The Plan of the Attack”

And

“State of Denial”

By the hun

October 27, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

Is it possible that each Hitler comparison is an original work of art in the eyes every liberal that offers it? Way to go Thomas…one for the books. Maybe Mike can use it, huh?

By getalife

October 27, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

The press is rarely Baghdad.

Too dangerous.

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Where would one go to see this perfect plan for occupation of Iraq of yours? Oh and it can’t be a brainstorming book that shows every possible thing under the sun and then claims to be right because everything is in there.

By Goldie

October 27, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

Timmy, Timmy, Timmmmmmy! :)

By Thomas

October 27, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this

OK RW —

First the Disclaimer!

* Warning Warning Warning *

==== The folowing pictures should not be viewed by the Squeamish, Children, or those that are easily Disturbed by death and dismemberment! ========

* Warning *

* Wars are real and Real deaths occur! *

http://www.robert-fisk.com/DeadIraqis104.jpg

http://www.robert-fisk.com/liberatediraqi.jpg

http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqichildvictim2.jpg

Or you can view the whole portfolio here: http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_page1.htm

* and don’t say I didn’t warn you! *

RW - Mike L. is an artist! Art by it’s definition is anything that causes emotions. It doesn’t matter if those emotions are good or bad.

Mike L. is a Talented artist! yet the neocons come here every day lamblasting his talents.

Ok — I say draw your art piece of head hole babies. Show your talents and skills. I say that to anyone here. I am sure someone would gladly post your art as well. I would support the posting of your art and expression. That is what freedom of thought, speech, and expression of ideas means.

But don’t expect me to agree with your view wehn there is so much sufferring in this world that your party (and even the church) is so willing to turn a blind eye to as they march onwards into battle ad rhetoric of moralities.

Thomas

By Buy Danish

October 27, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

RW,

Goldie wants us to use some plan that was drawn up in the ’90s. Did we even have Predator Drones then?

Maybe we should have gone to war with anti-war pickets with really sharp ends and used them to kill the enemy. General Goldie could have led the charge in her pink t shirt and combat boots.

Sybil Lane Hudson,

Whatever mistakes may or may not have been made, we can thank the Lord that you are not in charge of military strategy with your “we need to be in Afghanistan but must get the heck out in less than 10 years based on nothing but an arbitrary number that sounds good” strategy.

By bon scott

October 27, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

Thomas, don’t mind RW. He’s prone to hysteria and exaggeration. There are no one million full term babies with holes drilled in their heads.

By getalife

October 27, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

Lynne Cheney going off on CNN is hilarious.

No wonder he is such a Dick.

By getalife

October 27, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

“There are no one million full term babies with holes drilled in their heads.”

The gop?

By RE

October 27, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

Hey RW, they didn’t even try to plan for post war Iraq

The british didn’t think there was a plan for postwar Iraq:

A briefing paper prepared for British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his top advisers eight months before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq concluded that the U.S. military was not preparing adequately for what the British memo predicted would be a “protracted and costly” postwar occupation of that country.

John Baptiste didn’t think there was a plan for post war Iraq:

The work to remove Saddam Hussein and his regime was a challenge, but it pales in comparison to the hard work required to build the peace. The detailed deliberate planning to finish the job in Iraq was not considered as Secretary Rumsfeld forbade military planners from developing plans for securing a post-war Iraq. At one point, he threatened to fire the next person who talked about the need for a post-war plan. Our country and incredible military were not set up for success.

How is this not incompetent

By Goldie

October 27, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this

Interesting timelines laid out in this article:

In 1999, Mickey Herskowitz is hired to ghostwrite a campaign autobiography for George W. Bush, an assignment that was later withdrawn. Herskowitz later spoke about Bush for an article by journalist Russ Baker: “He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999… It was on his mind. He said to me: ‘One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.’ ”

So much for you trolls claiming our occupation of Iraq was due to “necessity.”

By Goldie

October 27, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Have a fab weekend, my blogging friends!

By Susan

October 27, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

If ever there was any doubt that the AJC was liberal leaning leftist, just look at the shameful cartoon by Mr. Yuckovich ( yes, I believe that is the correct spelling). How low does it want the circulation to get!!!

By Midori

October 27, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this

Gee, Andy hasn’t posted in a while.

Probably passed out somewhere, or in the bathroom puking his guts out.

That guy really needs to look into AA.

By Dusty

October 27, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

Cindy,

I am so sorry that you did not make it as General of the Army. You have told us many times about your military family and how you are going to be buried in Arlington. I know that your vast knowledge of the military through absorption makes you the foremost authority on anything military.

As a matter of fact, we all read about a few families who decided to buy something for extra protection for their loved ones. We heard the story about scrounging for metal plates to put on trucks and little pads for helmets. We have seen the press magnify every human error in military procedures. And we have seen Democrats use all of it for political fodder.

Some of it is true but most of it is magnified. The simple observation that everything is not going perfect in war time is credited as a total lack of control.

I have no use for people who know everything but were not there. I despise people who use the military as a political prop. I am not hysterical when I say that Luckovich is dishonoring those who died in the military. It is so obvious, you would be blind not to notice. I also have no respect for anyone who endangers this country by constantly being against it and telling the “world” all about it.

I am sure that with your military genius you have concluded that we need only to have Democrats running the country. Just how YOU DO NOT KNOW but say it nevertheless.

Now tell us where you are going to be buried in Arlington? Luckovich just had another hilarious idea for that location and he hopes you won’t mind his satire of gravesites. It’s just a cartoon, you know.

By Political Foreskin

October 27, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this

Cheney just admitted that he was naked in the hot tub with the terrorist but they didn’t have sex.

By getalife

October 27, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this

Told ya they want a new America union.

It is on Lou Dobbs right now about the NAFTA superhighway.

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 06:10 PM | Link to this

RE,

Why don’t you get over me and ask General Goldielocks? She’s the one that claims there was an ideal occupation plan. If there was such a perfect plan and Rumsfeld threw it out to experiment, I’ll be on your side.

Thomas,

Have you ever heard of an analogy? I think you came in here with the full intent of posting those pictures you sick mofo. You were just going to use whatever came along as an excuse.

Sybil,

Why don’t you tell us how many partial birth abortions there have been smartguy?

By Thomas

October 27, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

Well Time to go —

I have but one last question.

Bush says the war in Iraq is absolutly vital to America’s security. Yet I watch events elsewhere in the world unfold that scare me far more than anything that could come out of Iraq.

Do the neocons really think that this sand pit called Iraq is the biggest threat to America?

I certainly don’t!

Cheers - Thomas

By RE

October 27, 2006 06:13 PM | Link to this

“I have no use for people who know everything but were not there. I despise people who use the military as a political prop.”

I am sure the irony is lost on your Dusty, but coming from a Bush supporter, this is hilarious

Chickenhawks

By Political Foreskin

October 27, 2006 06:15 PM | Link to this

Dusty, your blogs are too long. Nobody would wade through that much tripe. Your ideas come across like so much stillborn cheeklint.. You are one nut on the internet.. It’s kind of sad, to see a mind so idle that it could presume others would have similar vulgar notions of your brand of pinched-loaf punditry.

Try myspace. They’ll love you there.

But do stay off this blog. You’re not even there anyway.

By Randy

October 27, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this

I heard on the radio that you had posted this $hit Mike. I wanted to see it for myself.

Somebody needs to shove that pencil of yours up your nose so you finally get the point.

The military is off limits to your poison pen.

Frickin’ a*******hole.

By It's Only A Sex Act If The Boy's Father Is A Republican

October 27, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this

By Midori October 27, 2006 05:58 PM Gee, Andy hasn’t posted in a while. Probably passed out somewhere, or in the bathroom puking his guts out. That guy really needs to look into AA.

Broom Rider: You seem a bit obsessed, stalking my every move.

Kind of like oddball gay finch does.

Sorta strange.

So listen up, everybody, let me give an update on the Andy happenings:

Sitting here reading the dumba-ss left wingers make absolute morons out of themselves, saying the same things over and over again that they said 3 years ago.

I do sense quite a bit more desperation in your posts now.

It must be that NEXT ELECTION LOSS, boo hoo hoo, that’s creeping up behind you, breathing on your neck, raising your hackles, hear those footsteps?

Hopefully this will be the last of you.

By RE

October 27, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this

RW, the problem was not that they lacked a perfect plan, it is that they refused to plan at all. Refused, as in threatening to fire anyone who looked ahead into the occupation and the nation building required afterward

By getalife

October 27, 2006 06:23 PM | Link to this

Randy,

Did you hear it on Rush?

By Thomas

October 27, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this

No RW —

I didn’t-

Right after you posted that trash post at me (04:56 PM) I did a quick Google Search to try and find that historic picture for you.

Google Search - Images Search string = girl killed iraq

I didn’t find the picture I was looking for but I found plenty of other horrible pictures that are just as tragic, including this portfolio. Yeah those are such loving pictures!

But hey - not your problem - collateral damage eh? But we gotta protect those fetuses. Stay the Course, and God bless America the Land of milk and honey! (not to mention Ivory Towers apparently)

I have no more time for this garbage as I have a meeting tonight - but I felt the need to defend myself against your lies about me.

Goodnight! Sir!

Thomas

By Dusty

October 27, 2006 06:27 PM | Link to this

Political Foreskin,

Your mouth is TOO big. Is that short enough?

By Political Foreskin

October 27, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this

Chinese water torture is a legitamte way to treat prisoners of war, just ask anyone who was captured by the chinese in the Korean war. You cant tie W’s and Cheney’s hands in this war on terror by forbidding water torture cause that would be like throwing the ali-babas out with the bathist water.

Cartoon idea: Show cheney giving a terrorist a swirly, and saying, “No, we dont flush Korans down the toilet”.”

Or show W saying that the terrorists are all former Bathists and are accustomed to being dunked in hot water.

There’s a great water torture gag here but I cant find it in time . Dang it. Ring around the Bathist?

Maybe the joke is in the bigger picture of no matter what info comes to light, Bush lies about it. “We’re building the terrorists a water park! It’s a good thing we do this day”.

By bon scott

October 27, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

monkeyshines, even the most rabid “pro-life” sites peg the number of so-called “partial birth” abortions at well below one million.

More like thousands.

Like so many wingnuts, you’re prone to hysterical exaggerations. Instead of proving a point, they just make you look dumb.

By Buy Danish

October 27, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

RE,

What motive would George Bush have had to go into Iraq and use the military as a “political prop”?

Thomas,

Considering that in your view Iraq is just a great big sandpit of no strategic interest, there sure are a lot of people interested in securing it for their own motives - besides the coalition forces.

In retrospect, do you think your slogan should have been “No blood for sand pits!”? Maybe Saddam and the U.N. could have had a “Sandpit for food” scandal and bribed France and Russia with sand.

Huh dude?

By getalife

October 27, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this

Yes Andy,

Voter fraud on the voting machines are already being reported.

This election will be a court case.

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 06:32 PM | Link to this

RE,

I’m not playing your silly a$$ game for the 400th time. I asked Goldie to show me this plan that outlines the perfect occupation strategy and I’m waiting to look at it for comparison purpose. If you want to find the General Goldielocks plan, I’ll go over it with you.

Now if you want to prove that Rumsfeld threatened to fire anyone that had any ideas I’d like to see that as well.

Why do you moonbats think I’m going to make my decisions based on your silly assertions? Post over at DU if you want everybody to buy your stories, they’ll even throw you a dancing frog.

By Buy Danish

October 27, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this

Sybil Lane Hudson,

She may write lousy novels but she sure knows how to smackdown CNN and leave Wolf speechless

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this

Sybil,

I asked you to tell me exactly how many there had been since you made the claim that you knew. I don’t care about your google searches.

By Political Foreskin

October 27, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

Cheney just admitted on NBC News that he was naked in the hot tub with the terrorist, but Cheney denied that he “tea-bagged” him. HEY! There’s the new Iraq Slogan!

“TEABAG THAT TERRORIST!!”

By Cal

October 27, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Midori, the crap that comes out of your mouth belongs in a backalley trash heap.

Somebody linked to a quote made by candidate Webb of Virginia and you were way to eager to go on topic as usual.

So you’ve got stones huh? It was a mistake to think you had a man. Use those cucumbers on your girlfriend then. Hoe in the garden.

By RE

October 27, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

BD, I am hard pressed to think of a Bush appearence that has not been either a private fundraiser or conducted with a military audience. The flightsuit was a bit of a prop, no?

RW, no matter how much information you are given it will not change your mind. I know by know you are willfully ignorant and will disregard anything that intrudes upon your views. I cited two examples, on from a former general, the other a rehash of the british intel. services. They refused to plan. Having no plan I feel is at least negligant. They (the admin) actually believed thier own rosy scenarios of being treated as liberators and that democracy would take hold. The total budget orignally called for 30billion dollars. We are currently at 208 billion spending 2 billion more PER WEEK

Wake up kid, you are backing a bunch of losers

By It's Only A Sex Act If The Boy's Father Is A Republican

October 27, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this

Wolf Blitzer picking on a woman and getting bitc-h slapped:

CHENEY: Right, but what is CNN doing? Running terrorist tape of terrorists shooting Americans. I mean, I thought [Rep.] Duncan Hunter asked you a very good question, and you didn’t answer it. Do you want us to win?

Ouch, poor pinko.

By bon scott

October 27, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

A postscript, monkeyshines, before I break for the weekend.

I’ll start taking your whining about “unborn babies” seriously when you and your ilk start besieging fertility clinics. I don’t respect split level morality.

The real terrorists are in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The Iraq occupation was and is a waste of time, money and lives. The refusal of Bush to admit that he made a mistake and his insistence on “staying the course” (no matter what he calls it) is despicable and treasonous. Americans can forgive someone who admits he was wrong. They should have no tolerance of someone who’s so arrogant he refuses to admit any imperfection.

Andy, you may be conscious but man, do you ever ramble when you’re drunk! Take your meds. Seek help.

Vote the Bush GOP out November 7.

By Michael J Fox

October 27, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

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By It's Only A Sex Act If The Boy's Father Is A Republican

October 27, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

Ohh, nothing like a little pinko love story:

A Country Such as This: “[He] could see Jawbone and Ashley Asthmatic [two guards at a Vietnamese prison camp] napping together in the grass. They faced inward, their arms entwined. It looked like they were masturbating each other. It didn’t surprise him. … It was common to see men holding hands, embracing, playing with each other. Some of them [the guards] had wanted him. He could tell in those evanescent moments between his bao cao bow, the obligatory deference when a guard entered his cell, and the first word or blow that followed it… Quick, grinding voices, turgid with repressed passion. An exploratory reaching of the hand near his groin…”

You libs are sick, sick, sick.

By It's Only A Sex Act If The Boy's Father Is A Republican

October 27, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

Why does Jim Webb refuse to portray women in a respectful, positive light, whether in his non-fiction concerning their role in the military, or in his provocative novels? How can women trust him to represent their views in the Senate when chauvinistic attitudes and sexually exploitive references run throughout his fiction and non-fiction writings?

November 7th.

By Brett

October 27, 2006 06:51 PM | Link to this

Great toon ML! Oh so accurate.

Good weekend to contemplate the impeachment & imprisonment of drunken Bushie.

By Buy Danish

October 27, 2006 06:54 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

Can you and your ridiculous friends explain what abortion has to do with the war in Iraq or any freaking war? Do we have our military deployed at abortion clinics? Does advocating either for or against abortion have ANY effect on our ability to win the “War on Terror”?

The only connection that can be made is one RW and I have made already - that you have no problem torturing partially born babies, but you squeal like pigs if Gitmo prisoners aren’t treated like prima donnas.

We go out of our way to avoid killing or injuring Iraqi babies, and all innocent civilians, and our soldiers suffer more losses because of this painstaking policy.

For you to suggest that any of us want to kill these children, or enjoy the process, or don’t care is nothing but disgusting sophistry. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for your side.

Try finding some photos of the dead and tortured under Saddam Hussein next time you’re in the mood to Google horrific images.

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 06:54 PM | Link to this

OK RE,

I’m convinced, do I have to get my lobotomy before moonbat class or will they do it there. /sarc

Show me the freaking perfect plan that Rumsfeld threw out and do it NOW or admit that you were misguided when you jumped in to cheerlead for Goldielocks and would prefer to change the subject.

By getalife

October 27, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

Damn Andy,

After the “Foley prank” you post this crap.

Who is sick?

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 06:57 PM | Link to this

Sybil bon one note,

I’ve never besieged any clinic of any sort. You sure make a lot of blanket statements with ZERO knowledge. Does seeker lap it up?

By RE

October 27, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

It seems that the GOP supporters here are prone to be influenced by the worst aspects of human emotion.

They play to Fear, fear of a terrorist attack, fear of having to live next to someone with different colored skin or might speak another language. fear of having thier children learn things they do not understand themselves.

They play to hatred, hatred of homosexuals, hatred of countries they have never been to or know anything about. Hatred of straw men they set up to blame all thier problems on.

And of course Greed, the idea you will get more money if you vote for one party over the other, no matter how off the rails the economy is, ignoring any planning for the future as we sink our country further in debt for easy political pandering.

Be a better person, stop voting GOP

By Buy Danish

October 27, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

I’ll start taking your whining about “unborn babies” seriously when you and your ilk start besieging fertility clinics

Sybil Jane Hudson,

Do you honestly think that anyone could stand up and say you oppose the harvesting of eggs and the petri dish creation of children without being tarred and feathered by the Left?

At least someone actually gets born if the patrons of these clinics are lucky. You do see the difference don’t you?

By RE

October 27, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

Any plan would be better than having no damn plan at all.

By Buy Danish

October 27, 2006 07:07 PM | Link to this

RE,

Try a google search for photos of Bush.

Bush is the Commander in Chief. The military are under his purview. When Clinton was in that position he could not wear a flightsuit because he couldn’t fly a freaking jet like our current President. Clinton did wear military bomber jackets and other “props”. Do you have a problem with that?

Busy is TRYING to get the country behind this war so we can WIN. Apparently you have a problem with that and would prefer that we just sink into a morass of negativity and ruin the morale of our fighting men.

Maybe if we have a Democrat elected in 2008 whoever it is should pose for pictures with moonbats at “peace” marches instead of bothering with our military?

By RW-(the original)

October 27, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

RE,

I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that 6:58 is a parody since you are one of the very very few liberals that has ever shown a sense of humor here.

If you really believe that then you wouldn’t bother to put the don’t vote message on the bottom, since nobody that fit that description would ever consider going to the polls. They would be scared to deal with their mailbox so they wouldn’t vote absentee either.

By the way, when someone looked to the pending financial disaster that is Social Security and said we should fix it, just who was it that gave a standing ovation to the message that reform had been blocked?

Veeerrryyyy forward looking dumba$$, have a good weekend.

By Political Foreskin

October 27, 2006 07:10 PM | Link to this

zzzzz

A dolphin was charged with being a terrorist today by Dick Cheney who said that he’ll dunk the rat as many times as it takes to get info on the next Katrina .

By N-GA

October 27, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

Have a good weekend….IMPEACH BUSH

By Foley Never Got This Sick

October 27, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

By pedophile bon scott freak September 29, 2006 06:58 PM Short eyes likes his boy toys!! Is that why you get juiced? Yummmmm… just watch their little legs!!By the way, what kind of lubricant do you and your boy-toys prefer? Do you use xanax or roofies to loosen them up, or does vodka alone do the trick?

By Cav Mom

November 6, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

I would like to ask the 813 people, who stated that they like this cartoon, what is it exactly that you liked?

Was it the humor at the expense of the fallen Warriors that gave you a chuckle?

Do you have a loved one who is serving?

Have you lost a loved one?

Using the death of those who have served with honor, to further your personal political agenda, is sickening.