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By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

October 26, 2006 07:59 AM | Link to this

Maybe Rush will get “cured” like the liberals at Air America and Al Franken were, you reckon?

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In short, the claims made in the Michael J. Fox political ads are false and reprehensible, an insult to the voters of Maryland, Missouri and New Jersey, and to all Americans. The implicit claim that research based on new embryos is “the most promising” is absurd, completely unsupported by the scientific literature, and an insult to voters, based as it is on the assumption that they are incapable of understanding the issue. {{{{{{Too stupid to tell the difference}}}}}}, is the elitist assumption underlying this campaign.

Hey, she knows you dumb a-sses in Atlanta!

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The grassroots momentum for my campaign has been building for months, fueled by conservative bloggers and talk-radio hosts who have focused on Murtha’s repeated declarations of surrender in the War on Terror. With the addition of the FBI surveillance video—along with a front-page, above-the-field article in the New York Times documenting how Jack Murtha regularly trades his vote for cash, and a recently-released report from a liberal congressional watchdog group that listed Murtha among its list of Congress’ 25 “most corrupt” members—I’m making this race about Murtha’s long history of ethical lapses.

Go Diane!

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Even for a particularly fevered election season you would think that an MSNBC guy who wants to convince his audience that he’s both morally and intellectually superior to the Fox crew would have the brains to understand that such a claim requires proof. Uh…apparently not. Keith Olbermann, you see, doesn’t like President Bush.-AmericanSpectator

By George

October 26, 2006 08:00 AM | Link to this

I can’t believe anyone would listen to that guy anyway so what is the diff. Rush talks to the mindless sheeple that can’t or won’t think for themselves.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 26, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

And the truth shall set you free….

Rush Limbaugh is a putz.

Have I missed something or have the anti-stem cell research crowd come up with four hundred thousand plus snowflake parents? Have they started a nationwide movement to make illegal the procedures that continue to create thousands more frozen blastocysts? (No, I guess not. They must be too busy standing in line outside recruiting offices.)

So four hundred thousand plus clumps of cells that they consider “potential” life will eventually be yanked from their cool, comfortable, cryogenic cradles and bagged and tagged as medical waste.

All that those of us who support the real science of stem cell research want is to try and save some lives with that which our opponents would treat like garbage.

Now, you can start posting nonsense about egg farming, cloning and throw in a little Mary Shelly to boot!

By Charles

October 26, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this

Typical liberal response …. call someone names when you can’t argue a point. The point is that liberals use ‘victims’ (i.e. Cindy Sheehan, Christopher Reed) to push their agendas and if you criticize them you’re labeled cruel.

By Brian Curtis

October 26, 2006 08:11 AM | Link to this

I guess Rush was getting jealous; his spot as pre-eminent Right-Wing Frothing Lunatic was usurped by Ann Coulter, and he missed getting all the attention.

By MJK

October 26, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

Anyone who has seen a relatively recent episode of Boston Legal, in which Fox appeared occasionally, would understand the effects that Parkinson’s has on his. Its somewhat unnerving to see how the editors of the show have to move the camera in such as way as to downplay the effects of the disease on him.

Apparently Rush’s lackeys don’t watch.

By The Sailor

October 26, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

(The Sailor said Andie, you’re a fine girl)

Rush looks a lot like my Andie.

By Blog Dawg

October 26, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

Cartoon Idea: Show W abandoning the nautical slogan, “Stay the Course” for “Women and Children First”.

or “walk the plank”…… or “Tie that Shia to the Yardarm”….or “Keelhaul Al Queda!”

I know, you get the bit.

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By Shameless Republican War Profiteers

October 26, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - Acknowledging painful losses in Iraq, President Bush said Wednesday he is not satisfied with the progress of the long and unpopular war

If King George himself is ‘unstaisfied’ with the manner in which Republicans have managed foreign policy, should we be any less ‘satisfied’? Shouldn’t ‘less than satisfactory’ performance be called to account?

Since the Republicans have LIED to us all along about ‘WMDs’, ‘Last Throes’, ‘Winning’, ‘Availability of Supplies and Equipment’, ‘Pre-engagement Planning’, ‘Eroded VA Benefits’, ‘Meager Military Pay Increases’, ‘Mission Accomplished’, ‘Compulsory Sanitized Bloodless News Reporting’, etc, etc, etc………they simply have not EARNED a 2,810th chance to once again try to ‘Fool ALL of the People ALL of the Time’ while getting American service men and women killed for their shameless war profiteering ! ! !

Iraq Veterans Against the War

Appeal for Redress- Active duty service personnel only, please, but we appreciate your support to the American soldier.

By Blog Dawg

October 26, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

Cheney is on the Today show. He just said, “The Dixie Chick’s career is in it’s last throes. So be patient, America”.

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

October 26, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it nice to know that the liberals are always accusing the right and Conservatives of infringing on your rights and re writing the Constitution, but here they are telling us we have no right to disagree politically with the physically ill?

Why don’t we just get rid of our government altogether and have these unelected entertainers tell us all what to do?

It isn’t like the image of America that Hollywood presents to the Islamic world has the Muslims wanting to kill us or anything.

By George

October 26, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this

13.5 million sheeple a week! Wow I underestimated the gullability of the masses.

By Blog Dawg

October 26, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this

Ann Coulter last night said she never saw a man enjoying his Parkinson’s Disease more than Micheal J Fox. She said he contracted the disease just to profit from it and get television time and that he needs to stfu and take the money and go away. She called Fox a twitching shrill who is profiting from his own symptoms which he is mostly faking.

she went on…”And just what is Parkinson’s Disease anyway? Didn’t Jerry Lewis make it up? It’s just a way for liberals to try to cram health care down our throats. I’m sick of these phoney diseased jerks screaming in my face. Die already….jeesh!”

By Blog Dawg

October 26, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this

The Dixie Chicks are making the talk show rounds. (Larry King, Oprah). I’m wondering how smart a move that is. Is the point to remind americans that the only thing they’ve accomplished in supporting the troops and fighting terrorism is slower Dixie Chick concert ticket sales?

Thus are we supposed to realize what total nitwits we are?

Or is the point that Bush/Cheney added a three-of-a-kind to the 52 card deck of most wanted insurgents in Iraq. (And red state dittoheadwounds fell for it).

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

October 26, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

Sorry to interrupt your little panty waist, feminine, scared of murderous thug crying jag, Spammie the “war hero,” but let the men speak for a moment:

We must kill - not capture - Muqtada, then kill every gunman who comes out in the streets to avenge him. And after we’ve killed Muqtada and destroyed his Mahdi Army, we need to go after the Sunni insurgents. If we can’t leave a democracy behind, we should at least leave the corpses of our enemies.-NYPost

Now get back to your pus-sy a-ss hysterical shrieking like a woman.

By Buy Danish

October 26, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

MJK,

Michael J. Fox ADMITTED that he PURPOSELY did not take his medication when he testified in front of Congress.

Click on the VIDEO of MJ Fox in the right hand column where tells the TRUTH to Diane Sawyer.

Here is HIS QUOTE from HIS BOOK, “Lucky Man”:

“I had made a deliberate choice to appear before the subcommittee without medication. It seemed to me that this occasion demanded that my testimony about the effects of the disease and the urgency we as a community were feeling be seen as well as heard. For people who had never observed me in this kind of shape, the transformation must have been startling,”

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 26, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

may i suggest reading the actual document

http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/2006petitions/ppStemCell.asp

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this

Hey Lying Andy (the Bed Wetter) aka RW (the real Wanker),

Pray tell exactly which liberal said anything like: “…but here they are telling us we have no right to disagree politically with the physically ill?”

See why I call you a LIAR?

Liberals simply think that Rush’s comments are in very poor taste…much like most of what you post here.

Now go ahead and call me names you pathetic LIAR.

By We're... Not... Going... to... Pay... the... Debt... We... Create... so... We... Can... Blame... Dem

October 26, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

The Outstanding Public Debt as of 26 Oct 2006 at 12:35:25 PM GMT is: $8,557,594,613,209.28

The estimated population of the United States is 300,071,955 so each citizen’s share of this debt is $28,518.48.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $1.60 billion per day since September 30, 2005!

Republicans continue to charge up the national credit card, then try to blame the Democrats for rasing taxes to pay for the inability of Republicans to live within the country’s means. In other words……Democrats pay their bills, Republicans don’t ! ! !

Democrats actually paid DOWN the national debt. Republicans are damn proud when they only manage to lessen the rate that they have been increasing it. Republicans continue to be the fiscally irresponsible party of record ! ! !

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

Hey RW (the Real Wanker) aka Lying Andy (the Bed Wetter),

I seem to recall that you had an “explanation” about what “stay the course” does and does not mean. Inquiring minds would like you to take the opportunity to re-educate everyone on that phrase. We really want to understand.

By Blog Dawg

October 26, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

The Dixie Chicks got death threats from dittoheadwounds during their tour after they dissed our Pastor in Chief.

That’s terrorism. The red staters have become that which they most fear and despise: terrorists.

Salman Rushdie got death threats for dissing a religious figurehead like Bush from the muslim terrorists. He still has a hit ordered on him.

I wont believe that America has awakened from it’s long national nightmare till I read it in Wednesday’s newspaper that the democrats have won back the house and senate.

I dont believe that Americans are learning. I think they only think about sex, beer, and nascar. Most Americans live the Chevy/Ford nascar rivalry, and their only concern about foreign policy is to question the wisdom of allowing toyota to race.

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

Bi-Danish,

One can only infer from your posts that you support Rush’s position that M. Fox was using the symptoms of his illness to irresponsibly emphasize his support of a candidate who supports expanding Federal support of stem cell research.

Do you want to carry that even further and criticize the GOP for using airplanes flying into the world trade center as a backdrop for political ads that support GOP candidates…even altering the images to suit their own bias?

By George

October 26, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

The book in front of Rush says All Twinkie Diet and that is sitting in front of the box of donuts. Thanks ML for the laugh but where did you hide the pill bottles?

By Buy Danish

October 26, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this

Polly the Blog Dawg,

Stupid Liberals may just fall for your made up Ann Coulter quotes, which doesn’t say much about stupid Liberals - the target market for snake oil salesmen and quackery.

The only miracles Liberals believe in are those performed by John Edwards in front of a jury, and the sophistry that if not for Christo-Fascist Republicans, Christopher Reeve and legions of the wheelchair bound would be alive and walking.

By Brian Curtis

October 26, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this

Well, we knew the Republicans had no shame when they went after a crippled Vietnam vet, a former POW, a decorated war hero, widows of 9/11 victims, a brain-dead woman in Florida, and the mother of a slain soldier… all for daring to disagree with the Holy Republican Agenda.

So “Dope Me Up” Limbaugh’s latest embarrassment comes as no surprise. Today’s Republicans have no values, no integrity, and no respect.

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

George,

I particularly enjoyed Rush’s checked low riders…so appropriate. Mike L. should have found a way to show Rush holding half his brain behind his back.

By Ruby Bozeman-Davis

October 26, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this

It is time for the unhappy taxpayers and voters to reject both the Democrat and Republican Party because both parties treat us like Big Fat Idiots. When will we realize that it is the taxpayers and voters against everybody else. We must send a message to both parties that we are sick of the partisan politics.

Remember, Taxpayers and Voters are the “Employers” and elected officials are the “employees”. Until we realize our power as “We the People”, we will continue to end up with national debt we can not pay, a government locked in partisan politics, and elected officials who serve their personal interest. (http://www.unhappytaxpayerandvoter.com)

By Whos' Who?

October 26, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

I think there really is only one neocon blogging here.

Watch the language it uses. It’s having trouble maintaining it’s multiple personalities.

By Eric

October 26, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

I guess comedian, Rush Limbaugh has forgotten how the GOP used the Terry Schiavo case as a political football. The shameless hypocrisy of the right wing is amazing.

By Paul

October 26, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

Blog Dawg at 8:31 - do you have a citation for this?

Last week RW (the original) stated Mr. Luckovich sets the tone for this forum. This cartoon illustrates that concept. Rather than take a complicated, emotional issue and take a stab at furthering knowledge, he takes the easy way out and resorts to namecalling. And look at the comments that follow.

Having said that, I will say if Mr. Fox is going to be cited as one who could possibly benefit from a cure for his disease, I’d prefer to see the effects of the disease (which is what he showed us) - not symptoms masked by medication (the disease still progresses). People could see him medicated and say “what’s the big deal?” That’s superficial, I know, but given how many issues are handled…

And to fend off the coming salvoes, I never said or implied: - embryonic stem cells will work - adult stem cells won’t work - that the opponent in this ad opposes any stem cell research

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

October 26, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

By Brian Curtis October 26, 2006 08:59 AM Well, we knew the Republicans had no shame when they went after a brain-dead woman in Florida

Trying to save her life from the stupid, vicious liberal trying to starve her to death so he could get a million dollar insurance settlement.

This pis-ses you off, Brian?

Seeing how you are practically clinically brain dead yourself, you may need the Republicans some day.

Better watch your mouth.

By Paul

October 26, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this

Eric at 9:09: political footballs = hypocrisy. It’s justified only when your (a general, not a personal, pronoun), side does it. (inject proper tone for sarcasm)

By Dr. Sen. Frist (R) MD

October 26, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

We are going to try and save Michael J Fox. It won’t be easy, but us Republicans are compassionate enough to know that we must try.

I watched a tape of the ad, and am prepared to make a diagnosis.

The Michael J Fox stem cell ad was filmed in a huge walk-in refrigerator. They got him very cold which caused severe twitching and spasams to make his condition look worse.

We are going to wrap Fox in a giant purple band-aid to warm him up to keep him from twitching until after the election.

GOD BLESS AMERICA.

By getalife

October 26, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

Funny as hell Mike.

One of your best.

That clip has made the MSM and has helped the Dems.

Good job Rush.

By Buy Danish

October 26, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

Paul,

Blog Dawg made up those quotes.

N-GA,

For YOU to claim to be the arbiter of “good taste” is a joke.

You analogy to the World Trade Center is a false analogy. Planes DID fly into them and we WERE attacked and preventing that from happening again in the future is a legitimate issue.

The same cannot be said Michael J. Fox’s claims. He is LYING when he says that Jim Talent wants to “criminalize” stem cell research. That’s just for starters.

Just the facts m’am.

later…

By Paul

October 26, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

Thanks, Buy Danish. I rather thought so, but, shows how many view bloggers as lacking for making unsubstantiated claims (irony not included).

By getalife

October 26, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

Here is the clip of Rush

By bon scott

October 26, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

Eric, it’s the “do as I say not as I do” GOPutz mentality. Everything’s fair game in their campaigns, but Democrats must hold to a higher standard. Right.

The GOPutzes who scream about censorship want to censor Michael J. Fox. They can’t see the irony.

Wasn’t Emperor Bush’s perfomance yesterday magnificent? No longer staying the course is still staying the course. Moran.

By drunken Andy loves boys - October 26, 2006 08:02 AM - The political aim of our Islamofascist enemies is a worldwide Caliphate, or Islamic world.

Yawn. More mush from the wimp.

Yeah, right. A miniscule number of religious freaks (kind of like Christofascists) want a worldwide Caliphate. That’s second on their “to do” list. Right after the number one goal, which is killing eachother and as many innocent bystanders as possible. Which is what they’re doing in Iraq.

Be a patriot. Vote the Bush GOP out November 7.

By Goldie

October 26, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

Limbaugh needs to go back on HIS medication — hillbilly heroin. He really is a big fat idiot. MJ Fox has a right to not use his medication if he so chooses, doesn’t he? Or are you right-wingnuts now including THAT in your government-intrusion agenda? Limbaugh claims that Fox was “exaggerating” his disease and claimed that he knew that “for a fact” — is he really such a medical expert, or is he just a doctor like Bill Frist who can diagnose illnesses from a TV screen?

By getalife

October 26, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Ask a real doctor about Fox’s condition and you will find out that Rush is wrong as usual.

He does not research what he spews. He spews hatred for the ignorant, angry right to feed their mental anguish.

These people are not good in nature. They are evil.

By Tinkie WInkie

October 26, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

He’s got my copyrighted coffee cup!

I knew those IM’s were really from Rush.

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this

The right wing (bi-danish included) would have those with MS, CF, Parkinson’s, HIV, Down’s, CP, Sickle Cell, etc. put in a sanitorium like the Nazi fascists did. Can’t have them genes being spread around…save money too, so that taxes could be cut…don’t want to have to look at them on those political ads…quick! Hide uncle Andy in the closet…the gubmint gonna take him away.

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

October 26, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

By oddball gay finch October 26, 2006 09:32 AM Yeah, right. A miniscule number of religious freaks (kind of like Christofascists) want a worldwide Caliphate. That’s second on their “to do” list.

Really? Let’s see what Osama Bin Laden has to say about that:

Praise be to God, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)”; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-‘Abdallah, who said “I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.” The Arabian Peninsula has never—since God made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas—been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies now spreading in it like locusts, consuming its riches and destroying its plantations. All this is happening at a time when nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.

Ignorance reigns king in the democrat party.

Vote Republican.

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

How about if we just point out that there is no law against embryonic stem cell research. You are more than welcome to have private industry, universities, research labs, etc. do all the research you want. The question is over taxpayer funding and that is where Michael J. Fox is being used by the Democrats. It may be knowingly or unknowingly, but he is being used as a political pawn and making highly erroneous statements. In Maryland Ben Cardin (D) actually voted against stem cell research funding.

Paul,

If Michael J. Fox was doing an ad about the ravages of Parkinson’s rather than saying vote for the Democrat I would agree with you. I think he was right to testify before Congress without allowing drugs to mask the effects of the disease, but making a commercial that deliberately misleads and gives false hope to thousands of sufferers, that if you vote for Democrats a cure will be right around the corner and if you vote for Republicans you’re just going to die is a little outrageous on it’s face and showing the full effect of the disease is being done simply to tug on your heartstrings and keep you from seeing the lie in the message.

By bon scott

October 26, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

Those Iraqi militants are united in their drive to go global? Really?

Not quite yet, bunky. They’ve got a little house cleaning to do. The heck with what their powerless Prime Minister says

Maliki is only as strong as the militias he can control, which is precious few. He does not rule Baghdad, let alone Iraq. As for the militias, they are the natural outcome of the lawlessness caused by foreign occupation. They represent Iraqis desperately defending themselves from anarchy. It is now they who will decide Iraq’s fate.

There are only two choices concerning Iraq. Go in with another 200,000 or more troops and DO THE JOB. Or LEAVE. But BushCo is too wimpy to do anything but dream up excuses and synonyms for “stay the course”. Bush fumbles and lies. Americans get shot and die.

Vote the Bush GOP out November 7.

By Bought and Paid for Republicans

October 26, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - When President Bush signs a bill authorizing 700 miles of new fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border Thursday, he’ll give GOP candidates a pre-election platform for asserting they’re tough on illegal immigration.

Looks like we only need an emminent election to get the ‘DO NOTHING’ Republican government to ‘DO SOMETHING’. Of course once the election is over, it’s back to ‘DO NOTHING’ Republican business as usual ! ! !

At least ladder and shovel manufacturers will do a booming business on the border. Meanwhile, the American middle class will get NO protection from big business profiteers who are selling their jobs out to illegal ‘guest workers’. You can bet your sweet a$s that Republicans are not gonna enforce the law of the land when it comes to jailing or seizing the assets of their criminal ‘big business’ contributers ! ! !

By Amerika' The Beautiful

October 26, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

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Happy BirthDay Hillary!

(and many more “years”)

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By Goldie

October 26, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

“that if you vote for Democrats a cure will be right around the corner and if you vote for Republicans you’re just going to die is a little outrageous on it’s face”

RW— I don’t recall the MJ Fox ad saying anything like that… you’re obviously feeling very defensive about the fact that Repugnants will not promote ANYTHING that includes scientific research without biblical sanctions. And somehow life at the cellular level is more important in saving than those born humans who are living and dying from various diseases… thank God the Repugnants hadn’t been taken over by the Neo-Con loonies back in the early 20th century, when science was allowed to do its job and was thereby able to bring penicillin, the polio vaccine, the birth control pill, and other remedies for humankind to benefit from!

By Honu

October 26, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Good morning, RW — excellent post to Paul. If only everyone could get their points across that succinctly sans theatrics.

By @@

October 26, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

ml seems to place all blame on Limbaugh for what he considers insensitive remarks. I neither saw nor heard the context of his statement, so I can’t really comment.

Michael J. Fox, whom I like, wasn’t honest in his address to voters. He misrepresented the success rates attributed to embryonic stem cells. He failed to acknowledge that embryonic cells are developing into brain tumors when implanted. Why would ml not hold Fox accountable for failing to mention those facts?

An article on embryonic stem cells caught my attention and fairly addresses the moral delimma which fuels the debate.

At a time when I chose not to voice my objections to the abortion issue, I think it was because I had confidence that women and society would act responsibly to insure that unborn babies would not be seen as a convenience or inconvenience. That abortion would never be used as a means of birth control. Sadly, unborn babies have become both. The most innocent among us being used and abused in a political debate.

Mankind, once again, disappoints me. Failing to predict the unintended consequences of our actions.

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Maybe you should refer to the portion of my comment to Mrs. Godzilla. I don’t know why you constantly accuse me of being a bible thumping moralist, but all I said was do the research that is perfectly legal. Just do it in the private sector until you can come up with some compelling evidence that it’s not just a pipe dream. Adult stem cells and cord blood cells have shown promise and private dollars are streaming into them.

So far embryonic stem cell research has gone on just as long and started with generally the same early investment dollars, but has produced nothing.

Good morning Honu,

Thank you.

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

October 26, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

How are you today, Honu?

I don’t know if you’ve seen this yet it’s an interview with Steyn about “America Alone:”

Q&A: Mark Steyn on the Threat of Islam

And:

Q&A: Mark Steyn on the ‘06 Elections

Enjoy!

By Goldie

October 26, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

I love Duby’s strategy to keep talking about how swimmingly the occupation of Iraq is going:

With less than two weeks until Election Day, Mr. Bush’s decision to address the war and its problems so prominently carries the risk that he will strengthen the Democrats’ case that the midterm election is primarily a referendum on his own handling of the war

His strategy for dismantling the Social Security system by giving his canned speeches in 2005 worked so well, too.

By getalife

October 26, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

Oh please RW,

Vote gop or die is their message

By Republicans..Won't..Pay..Their..Debt..so..Democrats..Have..to

October 26, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - The median price of a new home plunged in September by the largest amount in more than 35 years.

King George is so busy trying to ‘Fool ALL of the People ALL of the Time’ about Iraq and spending tax dollars like a drunken sailor that he is paying NO attention at all to protecting your greatest asset, your HOME ! ! !

The Outstanding Public Debt as of 26 Oct 2006 at 12:35:25 PM GMT is: $8,557,594,613,209.28

The estimated population of the United States is 300,071,955 so each citizen’s share of this debt is $28,518.48.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of $1.60 billion per day since September 30, 2005!

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

There is an advocate for the despicable things you accuse Buy Danish of, his name is Peter Singer of Princeton University. That link is just to his main page, I won’t try to influence your exploration of it. I will mention that he thinks it’s a good idea to kill off these diseased children even up to a few months after they are born.

His lectures are standing room only leftists, so there may be some hope in the fact that you know these things are wrong. Why don’t you show your outrage to the people that deserve it?

By getalife

October 26, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

Andy,

That is the biggest load of crap w has ever spewed. He has put our troops in a very dangerous position while him and Malarki are fighting each other.

They tried to attack Sadr City yesterday and they protested in the streets and disrespected w. How are in the world do you think we can can win? They know if they help us and we leave, they will be killed by their own.

This war was lost when Marlarki allied with Iran. The rest is all bs.

By getalife

October 26, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

W said he will try to steal Social Security again if the gop maintains control.

That alone should show people to vote Dem to keep Social Security because they will steal it like they stolen everything they get their greedy hands on.

By bon scott

October 26, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

Michael J. Fox isn’t being used as a political pawn. He’s not an idiot. The people who think he is being used are the true idiots.

He’s sick. He wants to get well. He favors government assistance for stem cell research because he thinks it will help him get well sooner. Freedom of speech gives him the right to say what he thinks.

All his critics are trying to do is censor him.

End of story

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

Sybil,

Then why doesn’t he say he wants GOVERNMENT assistance for stem cell research instead of saying that the Democrat will allow research and Republicans will outlaw it? The answer of course is he is being used, but I agree with you that he’s intelligent so I would say he is being KNOWINGLY used. If you want to play semantics and tell me that isn’t possible then you can say he’s a dishonest shill, but I was trying to be polite.

Hell if federal funding could use embryonic stem cells to get some of the extra voices out of your head I’d probably be for it.

By bon scott

October 26, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

Good heavens, monkeyshines… are you that dense?? He doesn’t have to explain funding alternatives or legal restrictions. That’s not his message. He doesn’t care. Michael J. Fox doesn’t care where funding comes from, as long as there’s funding.

Why do you want to put words in his mouth.

By GA VOTER

October 26, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

Who knows, maybe stem cells will work. Adult Stem Cells show promise, Embryonic on the other hand are batting .000. One thing is for sure, Michael J. Fox’s medication works …. WHEN he chooses to take it. I guess we’ll see. In addition to helping Limbaugh, they may even cure idiotic, bed wetting, cartoonist.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 26, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

By Goldie October 26, 2006 10:39 AM I love Duby’s strategy to keep talking about how swimmingly the occupation of Iraq is going.

So what do you call it when Hillary parades around with a Crucifix prominently displayed on her neck?

By getalife

October 26, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

bon,

Awkward? It is insanity and our troops are stuck in the middle.

It will get much worse

And the “neonuts” get off on this bs.

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

RW (the Real Wanker) aka Lying Andy (the Bed Wetter),

To suggest that Michael Fox should just say that he wants government assistance instead of saying that Democrats will allow research and Republicans will outlaw it is hypocrisy at its best.

First of all, you choose to use words like “allow” and “outlaw” when the message is about government funding or “support”. But more importantly you stay silent when Lying Andy spews lie after lie about liberals wanting American soldiers to die, liberals supporting the terrorists, or liberals wanting to kill unborn babies. When, pray tell, are you going to take Lying Andy to task for committing the same sins as those you criticize? Likely the answer is never.

By getalife

October 26, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

GA VOTER,

Rush, is that you? Do a little research on the medication before you spew idiot. You do know about Viagra and opiates don’t ya?

Itch much?

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 26, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

By Spammie the “war hero” October 26, 2006 10:44 AM WASHINGTON - The median price of a new home plunged in September by the largest amount in more than 35 years.

Huh, let’s open Spammie’s link and see what it says:

The Commerce Department reported that the median price for a new home sold in September was $217,100, a drop of 9.7 percent from September 2005.

9.7% eh?

From 2000 to 2005, median home values surged {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{32%,}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} fueling a consumer boom as homeowners tapped into this wealth.

Because of this “consumer boom” we had to raise interest rates to cool inflation, any idiot knows that, well except Spammie the “war hero,” and this caused a drop in housing prices of a meager 9%.

It’s called good governance.

So while all of this from Spammie the “war hero?:”

King George is so busy trying to ‘Fool ALL of the People ALL of the Time’ about Iraq and spending tax dollars like a drunken sailor that he is paying NO attention at all to protecting your greatest asset, your HOME ! ! !

I’m opening the discussion, I think it’s ignorance, and you?

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

Sybil,

He is specifically campaigning for Democrat candidates saying that Republicans don’t want to allow research at all. He doesn’t even bother to leave it at embryonic, the DNC funded message from MJ Fox says the Republicans don’t want any stem cell research of any type, so it’s a bald faced lie and if you can’t see that I feel sorry for you, but there really isn’t anything for us to discuss about it, the ads speak for themselves.

By Tune In At Noon Eastern

October 26, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

To hear El Rushbo NOT say a freaking word about your obscure, fringe, kook moonbat cartoonist.

He’s like a flyspeck on the EIB windshield.

By Tune In At Noon Eastern

October 26, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

The feminist view of the role of our military:

By getalife October 26, 2006 11:17 AM oddball gay finch, Awkward? It is insanity and our troops are stuck in the middle.

The same troops that could lay waste to Iraq but also Iran, Korea and Syria SIMULTANEOUSLY, but no, they’re being nice like these panty waist sis-sy bitc-hes want them to be in the first place.

Listen to the little sis-ies harp and whine.

You want us to take off the gloves, bitc-hes?

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

If you’re talking to me, I don’t give a damn what Michael Fox says, but I want to be able to point out the fallacy in what he’s saying. It’s you hypocrite Democrats and your victim parade that you prop up in front of cameras to spew whatever lies you want and then claim their words can’t be criticized because they are victims. That’s BS and you can’t hide behind the skirts of victims anymore.

By rushncap

October 26, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

I agree Mike. Pain killers obviously have not cured the “big fat idiotness” of Rush, maybe stem cells will. Let’s all hope so.

Also gotta love how conservatives are all squaking that Michael J. Fox is “exploiting” his own disease. I guess “I’m dying and I really wish I wasn’t” is exploitative when you’re doing all you can to stunt scientific progress looking for the cure. Idiots…

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

rushncap,

How is asking big pharmaceutical to pay for their own research “stunting scientific progress?”

I thought you guys hated corporate welfare.

By Brian Curtis

October 26, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

RW: Is that why Bush made such a point of recruiting 9/11 survivors to stand with him at his speeches?

Is that why the pro-Bush soldiers are supposed to be revered and never questioned?

Is that why nuts like Pat Robertson get applause when they call for assassinations—because he’s a “spiritual leader,” after all?

By getalife

October 26, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

“The same troops that could lay waste to Iraq but also Iran, Korea and Syria SIMULTANEOUSLY, but no, they’re being nice like these panty waist sis-sy bitc-hes want them to be in the first place.”

Told ya they get off on this crap. They are stretched thin and wore out but this pathetic idiot wants them to start 3 more wars.

By Dave

October 26, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

We’re winning! God is on our side in this rightful struggle against worldwide tearer. Mishun complished! God bless thee Nited States of Mercah. I’m runnin’ this war!

By RE

October 26, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

Andy, saw your NY Post link, the one about kill all the Sunni Insurgents, then kill all the Shia Insurgents…. Really well thought out

What exactally do you think Iraq will be like if every family in Iraq, if they have not already, has a family member killed by US forces. Do you think that country would be an ally of ours or a lifelong enemy?

They already don’t like us there, killing more of them is not going to win hearts and minds

By Ralph

October 26, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

My, isn’t little cowardly humophobic RW just beside hisself today. Poor thing must have mental cramps from his period. Hammer a chunk o cotton in his mouth & he’ll be OK fer a spell. Pathetic creature.

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

Morning Ralph, are Clem, Sally, and Booger already in the tub?

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

My apologies if this double posts:

Brian Curtis,

I haven’t seen the ad you’re talking about. Is it a 9/11 survivor saying that if you elect a Democrat the plane will get him or her this time?

I see all the time where a tiny handful of Generals is held beyond reproach by the left, but I’ve never seen the equivalent. Again maybe you could try providing PROOF.

Pat Robertson gets roundly criticized here by people on the right when he makes wacky statements, maybe you don’t notice because you’re so busy claiming we support those comments. Try reading what we actually say next time.

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

Is this Michael J. allowed to speak?

By getalife

October 26, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

Karma for Murtha

Bwhahahaha!

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

October 26, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

By getalife October 26, 2006 12:05 PM Told ya they get off on this crap. They are stretched thin and wore out.

How can you “wear out” a cruise missile or air force bomber?

Are you talking about Al Qaeda, your army, being stretched thin?

By RE October 26, 2006 12:09 PM What exactally do you think Iraq will be like if every family in Iraq, if they have not already, has a family member killed by US forces. Do you think that country would be an ally of ours or a lifelong enemy?

REbot: Either you’re a mental lightweight or some kind of Andy admirer, what the hell are you doing mouthing the same question I posed to you not 12 hours ago:

By We’re Gonna…..Raise……Your……Taxes!!!! October 25, 2006 06:45 PM REbot: Look, man, I know you are debased but are you sure you want to call every single solitary person in Iraq a cold blooded killer?

Do I have that much of an impression on you?

Hey, all you other pinkos see what I mean about winning your hearts and minds a little bit at a time, you are powerless to stop my will.

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

October 26, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

You hardcore panty waist, sis-sy pinko feminists are a vanishing breed:

S.O.S. COURIC: CBS ‘EVENING NEWS’ PLUNGES TO 7TH PLACE IN TIMESLOT IN LOS ANGELES ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT; BEHIND ‘FRIENDS’ RERUN, ‘KING OF QUEENS’, ‘MILLIONAIRE’… 1.1 RATING/2 SHARE LOWEST SINCE TAKING CHAIR…

People are tired of your sh-it.

By Midori

October 26, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

It shouldn’t but it never ceases to amaze me how the wingnuts purposely, or maybe, ignorantly spew disinformation and their warped “logic” in order to slime their detractors and defend their slimy heros.

And yet have the NERVE to try to place the blame on Mike L, claiming that he “sets the tone” for their crap and vicious rhetoric.

MJ Fox did a similar ad for Arlen Specter. Where was the hand wringing and outrage THEN????

In reference to his medicine, or not taking his medicine — the point is moot. Who the h$ll cares? Besides, the side effects of his medication is what causes the involuntary shaking and twitching.

If only you moronic jerks would do your own research, rather than spout Rush’s lunacy and made up “facts”, which he pulls out of his rear end on a constant basis.

At least MJ Fox doesn’t send his maid out to parking lots in order to score illegal doses of medication.

Has anyone else noticed how the rabid right constantly accuses the left of “using” people?

Intelligent, articulate people who happen to agree with the left’s views of the issues? Yet the right has to resort to “using” brain dead people who can’t think or speak for themselves.

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

October 26, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

Look at what these panty waist feminists want to surrender Iraq to:

A Muslim cleric’s claim that women who do not wear the veil are like ‘uncovered meat’ who attract sexual predators sparked outrage around Australia yesterday.

By Buy Danish

October 26, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

The St. Louis Post Dispatch has a fair and comprehensive look at the ethical questions involved in the Missouri ballot initiative.

In addition to the many ethical questions such as the use of Somatic Cell Nucleur Transfer to create the “blastocyst”, of particular interest to me are the dangers inherent in extracting donor eggs from women.

Here’s the rub: Amid the war of words over cloning and the definition of life, some fear the current political debate on Amendment 2 has eclipsed more subtle ethical questions. Reynolds’ group, the Center for Genetics and Society, supports abortion rights, and has no ethical concerns about the moral status of cells used for embryonic stem-cell research. But the group does raise concerns about the health risks posed to women who might donate eggs for research. The drugs used in egg extraction can have strong side effects, and in rare cases have killed women.

This is interesting in view of the fact that the sole impetus behind keeping Partial Birth abortion legal is the “life and health of the mother” and concerns that the pregnancy will impact future fertility.

Also, what is not mentioned is the fact that women have a limited number of eggs and when they donate eggs they are reducing their opportunities for… fertility.

By Midori

October 26, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

Andy, you idiot - Katie Couric is hardly a “heroine of the left”.

Most of us can’t stand her, and take pleasure in her sinking in the ratings.

Go find another myth to gloat about; Couric is hardly a “pinko feminist” She caters way too much to you lunatics.

By getalife

October 26, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

As the gop are wallowing in their own filth, we are witnessing the true character and patriotism of their supporters.

Pathetic creatures like Rush smearing the sick. The lies, the smears, the racism, the pure unadulterated hatred spews forth from the failed gop party.

Lets face it folks, these creatures are pure evil. Lord knows what they are teaching their children.

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

October 26, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

By Midori October 26, 2006 01:06 PM Andy, you idiot - Katie Couric is hardly a “heroine of the left”.

How about Al Franken and Jeanine Gawdawfulho, do they suck too?

Take note America, this is the loyalty and responsibility that liberals show to their own that serve them no use. They kick them to the curb, just like Couric is finding out. They do the same thing to blacks who vote for them and they will trash America to regain power.

Liberals are stupid, vicious, calculating savages that can only think of getting power so that they can boss everybody around.

It’s your choice November 7th.

By Cindy

October 26, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

Great toon Mike! The “deep thinker” Rush can do no better than to attack the physically disabled. Makes me want to run out to vote for those values!

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

bi-danish,

Thousands of women donate their eggs every year. I happen to know a young woman down in Atlanta who has donated eggs for use by women who cannot produce their own eggs. Any risks are minimal…I point out to you that there are risks with most vaccines, prescription drugs, etc. Most people are aware of such risks and must decide what to do.

For example, children must be vaccinated if theeir parents want them to attend school. No vaccination = no school.

As far as stem cells, I understand that most eggs would be discarded if not used for research. However, if the researchers wanted to pay women to provide eggs, would you object?

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

The next thing Andy is going to claim is that liberals want to force homosexual troop leaders on Boy Scouts.

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Could you point to the post here that supposedly has someone giving the medical details on Michael J. Fox’s twitching or lack there of? Other than your own of course.

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

Actually, RW, I saw that same information presented on CNN by an MD who treats Parkinsons patients. He stated with absolute certainty that the pronounced twitching was a side-effect of the medication that patients take to allow them some degree of controlled movement and speech.

By Midori

October 26, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

further, the doctor said that without the medication, the patient turns rigid.

which puts another nail in the wingnut vampire coffin.

By Midori

October 26, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this

{{{{How about Al Franken and Jeanine Gawdawfulho, do they suck too?}}}}

no Al Franken and Janeane Garafalo do not suck.

were you trying to make a point?

what do they have to do with Katie Couric?

Are you trying to say that Franken is a “pinko feminist”?

No wonder you like Rush - drug addicts tend to stick together.

I’ll bet you’re one step beyond crack, aren’t you?

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

I didn’t ever say it didn’t. I heard MJF say the same thing himself and Rush also said it had been brought to his attention when he apologized for his remarks as they relate to the twitching. None of that has anything to do with the fact that the message in the ad was at best misleading.

Did you have a point, or does butting in with nonsensical asides just come naturally?

By Occupation

October 26, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

You’re either with us or against us. Are we going to go to war with the new Iraqi government?

Iraqi Premier Denies U.S. Assertion He Agreed To Timelines

Maliki Also Criticizes Sadr City Raid

By John Ward Anderson, Washington Post Foreign Service

BAGHDAD, Oct. 25 — Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki lashed out at the United States on Wednesday, saying his popularly elected government would not bend to U.S.-imposed benchmarks and timelines and criticizing a U.S.-Iraqi military operation in a Shiite slum in Baghdad that left at least five people dead and 20 wounded.

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

Thank you Lying Andy (the Bed Wetter) aka RW (the Real Wanker),

I knew if I opened the door you would walk right in.

You see, Lying Andy (you don’t mind me calling you “Lying”…I feel like I know you so well). Anyway, I suspect that anyone who knows the real you would much prefer that their son be in a Boy Scout troop headed by a sane self-professed homosexual than a troop headed by you.

Nuff said.

By getalife

October 26, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Rumsfeld just spun it on politics in Iraq Occupation.

Total crap.

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

October 26, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

By Midori October 26, 2006 01:50 PM what do they have to do with Katie Couric?

They are also goose stepping degenerate pinkos that have a cash sucking viewerless and listener free television or radio show.

Like Katie.

So check this out, Midori Broom Rider says that the same woman Ann Coulter called the affable Eva Braun of morning TV is a Conservative now.

Now that her ratings suck.

By @@

October 26, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

The Boy Scouts are pulling charters in defense of their beliefs which are being threatened by the ACLU?

Truly a shame. The Boy Scouts of America work diligently to support veterans groups. It’s a google click away.

I guess the ACLU is killing two worthwhile birds with one stone. The Boy Scouts of America and military vets of past wars, present wars, and probably recruits to deal with any future conflicts.

By Midori

October 26, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

Andy, Andy, Andy,

I’ll make a deal with you.

I’ll stop riding my broom if you promise to stop ramming it up your rear.

agreed?

and that other stuff you’re ranting about has left me puzzled and just plain confused.

I never said that Couric is a conservative, but I’ll bet she did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.

And now you’re quoting Ann Coulter? Someone who has as much believability and objectivity as your butt boy Rush?

I have to agree with others here — you’re a pathetic drunkard suffering from DT’s.

Put down that bottle of vodka, and make sure you wash my broom handle when you’re done with it.

Again — WHAT DOES AL FRANKEN HAVE TO DO WITH KATIE COURIC?????

No more straw men, drunken idiot.

answer the question.

By Cut and Run

October 26, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

Ah, these hardcore panty waist, sis-sy pinko feminists

Oh, wait, they’re the ones putting their lives on the line for our freedom.

Newport News Daily Press October 26, 2006

U.S. Troops Speak Against Iraq War

Service members use protection under whistle-blower laws to encourage Congress to pull American forces out of Iraq.

By Stephanie Heinatz

More than 200 active-duty service members are publicly asking their congressional representatives to end the occupation of Iraq and promptly bring American troops home.

Their action marks the first time since the United States invaded Iraq in 2003 that men and women still in uniform have publicly and collectively spoken out against operations there.

They are doing so under the Military Whistle-Blower Protection Act, which says active duty, National Guard and Reserve forces can communicate with their legislators without fear of reprisal.

In a conference call Wednesday with reporters, three of the troops involved in the effort pointed out that they are doing this off-duty, out of uniform and in no way as representatives of the military.

“While we do serve our country, we feel this occupation should come to an end,” said Jonathan Hutto, a Navy seaman stationed in Norfolk.

If sent to Iraq tomorrow, Hutto said, he wouldn’t disobey an order.

“We’re not pacifists. We are not conscientious objectors. We are not encouraging anything illegal,” Hutto said. They’re just encouraging any service member who feels the same way to go to www.appealforredress.org.

“The way the Web page is set up is the service member sends a letter directly to their Congress member,” said J.E. McNeil, an attorney advising the effort and the executive director for the Washington-based Center on Conscience & War, a group that helps protect the rights of conscientious objectors.

The service members submit their name, rank, duty station and home ZIP code. An electronic letter - stating that “staying in Iraq will not work and is not worth the price” - is then sent to their representative.

“When men and women join the military and put on the uniform they don’t give up their rights as U.S. citizens,” McNeil said. “Participating as fully as possible in their government, that’s what these men and women are doing.”

The gras

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

bi-danish,

Here I am reading what you posted from the Missouri ballot initiative: “…Valuable consideration also does not include the consideration PAID TO A DONOR OF HUMAN EGGS or sperm by a fertilization clinic…” But you began your post by saying: “The Missouri ballot initiative specifically prohibits paying women to donate their eggs for this purpose”

Now which is it? Can women be paid to donate their eggs, or not? I interpret the initiative to mean that they can be paid. Try reading the quotes you post. Meanwhile, have you anything intelligent to say about the risks of donating eggs, getting a vaccination, and/or riding a bicycle?

By I'm a Democrat this go round

October 26, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Have you seen the rebuttal commercial? Have you ever seen so many Ron Silver wanna-bes?

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Some more truthiness from the GOP:

By RE

October 26, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

Why would anyone take medical advice from people who do not believe in science, or even basic logic.

RW, Andy, BD. DO you really want to take medical advice from people like this?

By Goldie

October 26, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

“your victim parade that you prop up in front of cameras to spew whatever lies you want and then claim their words can’t be criticized because they are victims. That’s BS and you can’t hide behind the skirts of victims anymore”

RW— tell us how horrified you were when the Repugnants propped Ms. Schiavo up in her hospital bed and proceeded to broadcast that over the TV airwaves for months on end. She wasn’t even able to speak and say “NO, don’t put my picture on TV!”, but y’all thought it was appropriate to do that, didn’t you, because you would gain some sympathy for your chosen victim somewhere?

That’s what’s disgusting about your party… at least MJ Fox is able to speak and make his own choices about how he appears in a TV ad!

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

I blame Bush, Cheney, & Rumsfeld for this:

“CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. - A Marine pleaded guilty Thursday to charges of assault and conspiracy to obstruct justice in the death of an Iraqi civilian last April.”

“Pfc. John J. Jodka III, 20, entered the pleas through his lawyer Joseph Casas and then began testifying.”

“He was one of seven Marines and a Navy corpsman initially charged with murder, kidnapping, conspiracy, assault and housebreaking in the killing of 52-year-old Hashim Ibrahim Awad in the Iraqi town of Hamdania.”

“Jodka — the squad’s youngest and lowest-ranked member — spoke quickly as he described the night of Awad’s killing.”

“He said the squad agreed to a plan by squad leader Sgt. Lawrence G. Hutchins to kidnap and kill a known insurgent. Jodka said he fired his weapon at the victim, but he said he thought the man was the insurgent they had been looking for.”

“Jodka said they talked about what had happened on a roof back at their base.”

“Once on the roof, Sgt. Hutchins gathered members of the squad and he said if anyone asks what happened, the words he used were, ‘You know what to say.’ I took that to mean if anyone asked, we would say that we had seen this man approach with a shovel and begin digging and that he engaged us and that we had lawfully engaged him,” Jodka said.”

“The Navy corpsman charged in the case, Petty Officer 3rd Class Melson J. Bacos, pleaded guilty earlier this month to kidnapping and conspiracy and also testified.”

By WTF?

October 26, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

BUSH: ONLY “25 PERCENT” WANT TO LEAVE IRAQ; AMERICANS WHO ARE TURNING ON IRAQ CONFLICT “DON’T BELIEVE IN WAR.”

By Republican Energizer Bunnies

October 26, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this

Federal security officials and computer experts have been sent to Los Alamos National Laboratory to ensure directives at the nation’s premier nuclear weapons lab are being followed in the wake of a possible security breach.

The FBI was called in last week after police in northern New Mexico stumbled onto what appeared to be classified information from the lab while arresting a man at a mobile home for possession of drug paraphrenalia.

One more example of the lax security standards that are practiced by the current Republican administration…..now, Republicans have left Los Alamos wide open to the theft of nuclear bomb secrets. You can pretty well bet that when a Republican says that they are pro-security, the REAL truth is that they are just spouting another pack of lies just like they always do.

These LIARS ‘SAY’ they are concerned about the security of the American public but what do they ‘DO’…. they leave Los Alamos nuclear secrets wide open to theft, sell our ports to Dubai World, sell off strategic airline concessions, leave our troops without adequate equipment or compensation, fail to enforce existing illegal immigration statutes, over extend our troops to the point of total exhaustion and burnout, fail to prompyly respond to national emergencies like Katrina, and the list goes on and on and on and on and on.

Republicans are the ‘energizer bunnies’ of LIARS ! ! !

By Buy Danish

October 26, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

You cannot be paid to donate your eggs for Embryonic Stem Cell research. You can donate for fertility purposes:

{{(4) No person may, for valuable consideration, purchase or sell human blastocysts or eggs for stem cell research or stem cell therapies and cures.}}

I hope you read this whole ballot initiative. Maybe you can explain this to me:

[2) No human blastocyst may be produced by fertilization soley for the purpose of stem cell research.

So the blastocyst is to be used for what exactly if not “soley” for stem cell research?????

And why bother using SCNT (a form of cloning)? Why not just get the blastocyst the old-fashioned way? Wouldnt that be more fun?

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

It’s so ironic. Here we live in Georgia…a state that was right at the center of the War Between the States. It is a mere 140 years (or so) later, and people still fight that same war. They don’t really know how long a feud can survive. They don’t really know how long hatred will lie dormant until it is given an opportunity to seek revenge.

But the United States has started that feud…created that hatred…by trying to impose its will on the people of another country. Most Arabs understood the reaction of the United States when it went after OBL in Afghanistan. But they are very troubled by the invasion of Iraq and the threats toward other Arab countries.

This is one part of the Bush legacy…to be continued.

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

Hey Lying Andy (the Bed Wetter) aka RW (the Real Wanker),

What ever happened to your conspiracy theory about Foley and the Democrats? Come on now. We all want to know!! Enlighten us with the stuff that those voices only you can hear tell you.

By Buy Danish

October 26, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

I’m sorry I forgot to answer your question about the risks of donating eggs. I will answer it rhetorically with an example that, unlike vaccinations, is actually relevant to the discussion:

Can you demonstrate how partial birth abortion protects the fertility of a mother?

RE,

Au contraire, I do believe in science. Can you show me where Embryonic Stem Cells have produced a scientific benefit?

Thanks in advance.

By Buy Danish

October 26, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

WTF are you babbling about at 2:53?

Are you saying that we should not have imposed the end of slavery on the South?

By Goldie

October 26, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

12 days until mid-terms elections and watch how the Neo-Con pigs are squeeeealing here on the blog.

By Buy Danish

October 26, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

Here’s part of the Foley email mystery solved. Thanks for asking.

By Political Foreskin

October 26, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

Cartoon Idea: Show W as the chimp riding a tank, leading US troops into battle in Baghdad and W is chanting, “Stay the course, stay the course, stay the course”. But the US troops, uncle sam, the american people, our allies, the shia, the sunni, and the newly elected government there are all shouting back in unison, “RIGHT TURN, CLYDE!”

By Paul

October 26, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

RW at 10:02: very good point about stem cell funding. I’ve made the point before, if wealthy people and foundations who regularly poured vast sums into what are essentially propaganda pieces (Michael Moore, George Soros come to mind) poured even a fraction into embryonic stem cell research, the question of whether or not it’s a worthwhile line of research would be answered.

Heck, maybe Mr. Soros could donate a small percentage of the millions he’s saved in taxes (flip side: the millions in programs and benefits he’s cost other Americans) by sheltering the bulk of his personal assets in the Caymans and other Caribbean locations. Wait - he’s a far-Left secular progressive whose example on social issues means he’d never do something like dodge taxes -

By Ann Bynum

October 26, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

gee, I believe that a lot of obese people have a problem that causes obesity so now you think it is ok to make fun of fat people. I listened to Rush Limbaugh’s program yesterday and not once did he make fun of Michael J. Fox. You people need to get your facts straight. To bring it to light that this stem cell research is including cloning a human being is what is being left out of the liberal reporting.

By Republican Pork

October 26, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

Hey Goldie, November is looking like a real “Deliverance” for the Republicans. (Squeal piggy, squeal)

By RE

October 26, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

BD

click on # 17

This is where logic comes into play. You cannot have cures before you do the research.

By Goldie

October 26, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Wehre’s the outrage about athletes and actors being used in political ads? They’re saying it’s the same thing as human cloning:

“Amendment 2 claims it bans human cloning, but in the 2,000 words you don’t read, it makes cloning a constitutional right,” Suppan says in the commercial

To quote Bill Maher quoting Dubya: “You’re either with us, or you’re with the scientists!”

By I'm a Democrat this go round

October 26, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

I just heard the MJF commercial supporting R-Arlen Spector and his position on stem cell research.

That MJF is a pretty tricky guy.

By Bush's Mexican Buddies

October 26, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

OTTAWA - The United States committed a “huge error” in choosing to build a wall between itself and its southern neighbor, Mexico’s president-elect Felipe Calderon said during a state visit to Canada, comparing it with the Berlin Wall.

Well, now that King George has the full faith and cooperation of the newly elected Mexican government………….

By Buy Danish

October 26, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

RE,

How much time should we give this scientific experimentation before we demand that it works?

Does 150 years sound like a good number or should we cut and run before that if this science does not hold the promised promise?

Democrat this time around,

I’m looking for that ad. Can you source it for us?

By Midori

October 26, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

isn’t it hilarious how the rabid right always wants to tell people how to spend (invest) their money?

Paul: why not have the oil companies donate some of those billions upon billions that they’ve raped us for to stem cell funding?

better yet: why not take some of the billions upon billions being stolen out of Iraq and donate that?

or better, better yet: why not have Richard Mellon Scaife match dollar for dollar what Soros donates? Maybe Scaife’s money would be better spent that way, instead of being used to defame democrats.

By Buy Danish

October 26, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

Midori,

If I might interject -

George Soros supports embryonic stem cell research. I doubt that Richard Mellon Scaife does. Moreover, their money is their money - not taxpayers, not shareholders.

Oil companies are owned by their shareholders - and they just might object on ethical grounds to that use of company funds.

Dittoes for taxpayers.

I hope this answers your questions.

By Goldie

October 26, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

Paul— wouldn’t it be great if all of those corporate welfare recipients had contributed their billion-dollar paybacks into stem cell research, instead of paying their CEOs’ $400,000,000 in salaries or retirement bonuses? My, what a great business world we would have then, right?

By Bad News Bears

October 26, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

MIAMI (Reuters) - America’s elderly enjoy outsized influence in elections because they vote in greater numbers, but this year they’ve focused their clout on the Iraq war more than traditional concerns such as health and retirement benefits.

Bad news for the Republicans. Seniors love America too much to be ‘bought-off’ by King George’s prescription entitlement program ! ! !

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 26, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

By N-GA October 26, 2006 01:57 PM I knew if I opened the door you would walk right in. Anyway, I suspect that anyone who knows the real you would much prefer that their son be in a Boy Scout troop headed by a sane self-professed homosexual than a troop headed by you.

You mean much like that self professed homosexual congressman and the page program?

Some friend of our children you are, pervert.

By Midori October 26, 2006 02:12 PM Andy, Andy, Andy, Again — WHAT DOES AL FRANKEN HAVE TO DO WITH KATIE COURIC?????

Midori Broom Rider, Midori Broom Rider, Midori Broom Rider: This may be well beyond your capacity for comprehension but if you look up at the very top of the page you could very easily say “what does Rush Limbaugh have to do with the Republican party?”

Have you heard me say that??

Why are you libs throwing Katie under the bus?

By Midori

October 26, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

interject all you want, idiot.

I wasn’t talking to you.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 26, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

By N-GA October 26, 2006 02:57 PM What ever happened to your conspiracy theory about Foley and the Democrats? Come on now. We all want to know!!

Some of us, like N-GA Wanker for instance, may be too stupid to realize that Karl Rove is not going to announce at a press conference his scheme to make the democrat party look like a bunch of KKK cross burning homophobic bed room spying bigots, but I’m not.

By Paul

October 26, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

Midori at 3:39: Oil companies are in business to make money for shareholders through oil services. They are not philanthropic organizations.

Can’t divert funds from Defense budget because there’s a Federal law against further use of Federal funds for embryonic stem cell research.

Scaife: Capital idea! More funding the better. My point was, Mr. Soros is a philanthropist who’s pretty verbose with his social and political views. Given those characteristics, and given his dislike of Pres Bush and his policies, my point was, instead of funding political campaigns (not much return on his money there) or propaganda/entertainment pieces (along with Michael Moore) - why not put his money into the projects the President espouses?

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

Yep, the wing-nuts are right. Let American business take the initiative to do stem cell research. Just like American pharmaceutical companies run like hell from producing flu vaccine. They say it costs them too much money with no guarantee of a profit. So last year we had a major flu vaccine shortage. Now we purchase flu vaccine from international companies. Yep, the wing-nuts got it right. Not enough people suffer from Parkinson’s so finding a cure doesn’t provide a profit incentive.

Look at Avonex (current price $1200/dose) Look at Procrit ($760/ml), Nulasta ($4000/dose). If patients cannot afford these drugs, perhaps an argument can be made that government should do the research then license the drugs (like they do with products developed in the NASA programs).

Come on people, the pharmaceutical industry is not about health and well-being…it’s about making money.

By RE

October 26, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this

Well 150 seems excessive, how about say 15 or 20?

By Midori

October 26, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

did you see 60 Minutes this past Sunday?

billions upon billion have been stolen in Iraq, and we have incompetent and theiving Iraqi “expatriats” appointed by Bush living in the lap of luxury in Europe.

Wonder how much good that money would have done if it had been diverted to stem cell research?

I’m like RE and N-GA; i refuse to engage in conversation with moronic boobs who don’t believe in science.

By Paul

October 26, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

Goldie at 3:48: you’ve evidently not been treated to my thoughts regarding corporate vs personal tax balance - As Buy Danish pointed out, shareholders might object. But you have a very good point about some compensation packages.

Midori at 3:39:

I just reread your first line. As I was the one who made the Soros/far Left remark, I take it your “rabid Right” quip was directed at me. One more time, I’ve not discussed my political affiliation. On some issues you may think me hard-core Right - on other issues I just might make you look like John Birch.

But to answer your (rhetorical?) question: my comment was for a philanthropist to put money into non-political (and low publicity) projects that could effect change.

And as far as telling others how to spend money, I thought that was a tenet of far-Left Secular Progressives by means of income redistribution (income tax).

By getalife

October 26, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

The illegals have already started chanting, “President Bush, tear down this wall”.(As Reagan rolls over in his grave)Gorbachev smiles.

By Buy Danish

October 26, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

The TRUTH is that the reason that American companies don’t want to make Flu Vaccines is because they are afraid of getting SUED by Liberal Trial Lawyers.

As I recall, Republican attempts to make those companies immune from such lawsuits were not succesful.

RE,

I only picked 150 because that’s about how long we’ve been looking for Darwin’s fossils.

Midori,

You may call me “rude” for interrupting without your permission (although I did apologize in advance).

My answers answered your idiotic questions, so I guess that makes YOU the idiot.

By Paul

October 26, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

All the People at 4:06 You’re right! If all those bozos in the administration wouldn’t have been spending so much time on their day jobs and showed up on time for their night jobs as security guards at $8.25 and hour inspecting all the personal belongings of people leaving their jobs… wait, didn’t have probable cause. Well, maybe they could question them as they leave work… wait, that might make them uncomfortable…. Maybe they could monitor the calls of Chinese intelligence agents in mainland China to their US operatives… wait, Chinese, like terrorists, need their privacy.

So, now that they’ve been caught, if tried and convicted would you support their execution? Or should we have taxpayers work all their lives to pay the taxes it’ll cost to fund their $100,000 a year (notional number) incarceration costs?

By Our Children's, Children's, Children

October 26, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

by Republicans Don’t Pay Their Debts So The Democrats Have to @ 4pm- He said, however, that if the economy remained flexible, the adjustment {{{{{{{{{“should have very little effect}}}}}}} on production and capacity.”

Just because the “economy remained flexible and the adjustment should have very little effect on production and capacity” doesn’t mean that the world is not strongly considering abandoning the US dollar as the pre-emminent instrument of exchange (see link above). The effect of King George’s gutting of the dollar through assumption of massive debt will not be felt immediately but will be paid by our children’s, children’s, children.

Notice the attempt to distract the reader from the REAL focus of the article, that “both private investors and central banks were shifting away from the U.S. dollar and toward the euro.” Republicans continue to think that the American public is stupid and that they can ‘Fool ALL of the People ALL of the Time’ ! ! !

By Goldie

October 26, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Paul, you’re correct about philanthropists— they seem to be mostly on the left side of the political spectrum, so there may not be any right-wing philanthropists to contribute anything back to society, hmmm? And say all you want about corporate funds and shareholders — I wonder how many shareholders had a say about all of the corporate money given away for the benefit of your guys Dubya & Cheney in ‘04?

By Slam Dunk for getalife

October 26, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

getalife- You’re on a roll today, bud. Gotta love the Berlin Wall/Reagan analogy. My missus nearly peed herself.

By Goldie

October 26, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

Midori— I did see the “60 Minutes” show last Sunday, and I’m not even sure they were discussing the $9 BILLION dollars that evaporated out of the suitcases when Paul Bremer was in charge… so I think there needs to be some more investigating, don’t you? And the segment on Nancy Pelosi was interesting… I’m wondering if she’s holding her cards close to her chest right now and not wanting to talk about all of the investigations that Congress will need to start if the Dems take over. This rubber-stamp Congress we have now is destroying Americans’ lives on a weekly basis!

By mad mommy

October 26, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

Let’s take away Rush’s prescription (under another persons name) for viagra and see if he is up to performing with anything other than his mouth. That mouth being full of his foot and when that is removed we can serve him his crow.

By RE

October 26, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

BD, if you are still looking for evidence in support of evolution, that is exactally the reason why no one should listen to you about any other scientific matter

By Paul

October 26, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

Goldie at 4:22 I’m regularly amazed at how much you know about me! (Knowing who “my guys” are - been wiretapping, have we?).

Philanthropists span the spectrum - I was merely noting one who’s placed himself in the spotlight with his political views and social commentary. But you did raise another good issue - the concept of “if the shareholders don’t like what the company is doing they can vote out the board of directors and change the policies” is a great example of theory vs. reality.

By Goldie

October 26, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

“As I was the one who made the Soros/far Left remark, I take it your “rabid Right” quip was directed at me. One more time, I’ve not discussed my political affiliation.”

Paul reminds me of all those Americans who claimed “I never voted for him” as Nixon was cutting ‘n running up those airplane steps in 1974.

By rushncap

October 26, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

Good point, RW. Let’s leave all biological and biochemical research to biotech companies. And all physics research to defense and aerospace companies. And all chemistry research to food or plastics companies. Brilliant! In fact, let’s take all research out of university and research centers and privatize all of it. America’s run as the technological giant of the world has been too long anyways, right RW?

Now back to reality. No pharmaceutical company can afford to research an entire new line of medicines from scratch. Just like Boing can’t afford to derive every equation it has used to build its planes, and Dow Corning cannot develop every single step of chemical process they use. This is why we have government-funded research in this country. Government funds the most basic research in just about every area, and only once the methodology, the theory and the fundamentals are developed do private companies make the last step and commercialize the technology. If you want to cure Parkinsons, for instance, you do not found a company and start from nothing. You found a company on the basis of already established research, with the promise of a very good chance that the approach would succeed.

This is how reality works, RW. And that is why we need government funding promising research, such as stem cell investigation.

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

Goldie @ 2:43,

When was Terri Schaivo propped up in a campaign ad? Actually I’m surprised you guys didn’t get to her with your magic embryonic stem cells.

My personal feelings, at the risk of being told I’m diagnosing from TV pictures, about Schaivo is that she was brain dead and was never going to recover. Even with your magical embryonic stem cells. I also believe she probably had made the choice to die. All that being said there was no risk in making sure that every determination possible was done, not even a cost consideration as her parents were willing to bear the expense. The only options were that she would die or miraculously get better. So why was it that big a deal?

Come to think of it, why WASN”T some Democrat wheeling her around claiming that a cure was right around the corner if only you would vote out all the Republicans?

It’s a highly selective death culture you libs have.

RE,

I don’t know what you’re asking me at 2:38, but if it has to do with embryonic stem cell research it’s been going on for years and I don’t care how long it goes on. I guarantee you if it suddenly looks like it’s going to do anything worthwhile private funding won’t be an issue.

By Paul

October 26, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

Goldie at 4:22 - excuse me for not including this in my previous response. Regarding your philanthropist observation:

I’ve noted before last year Pres and Mrs Bush donated roughly ten percent of their income to charity (what the far-right evangelical whatevers call a “tithe”). Vice-Pres and Mrs. Cheney donated, I believe, $6 mil of their $8 mil income. They’ve been rather consistent in a minimum “tithe” for years.

We all remember from Sen Clinton’s first term (as First Lady) donating underwear to what - Goodwill - and taking a, what, $5 per item charitable deduction? The years the Gores gave nothing or a few hundred? The Kerry embarrassment, zilch for charitable contributions, then upped the ante and released the tax records, then reversed course? True, it’s their money and they should do what they want, but it illustrates the oft-repeated adage. -

“Conservatives provide charity with their own money. Liberals provide charity with other peoples’ money.”

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 26, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

By Spammie the “war hero” October 26, 2006 04:20 PM Notice the attempt to distract the reader from the REAL focus of the article, that “both private investors and central banks were shifting away from the U.S. dollar and toward the euro.” Republicans continue to think that the American public is stupid and that they can ‘Fool ALL of the People ALL of the Time’ ! ! !

Look Spammie, I know you are an absolute moron, so this reply is for the benefit of everyone else on the blog. In Spammie’s original link, Greenspan specifically said that the United States SHOULDN’T throw up trade barriers against the Euro, that globalization was ultimately good for the economy.

This idiot Spammie has no mental capacity to understand this, so it posted evidence against it’s own hysterical feminist argument of the “debt” being bad.

Unbelievably stupid.

By Goldie

October 26, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

Mad mommy— good one @ 4:29 — just how mad are you? Have you seen the bumper sticker that says “If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention!” — I like that one… I just don’t have any more room for new bumper stickers right now. Time to buy a new car, I guess!

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Listen you brain dead freak, if you’re going to keep discussing my posts at least read the damn things. I said to let all the research your precious Universities want to do to go right ahead. I don’t care WHAT they research or how they do it. With their OWN money.

By Paul

October 26, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

Goldie at 4:35 Assumptions, assumptions, make of it what you will, wanna see my “McGovern for President” lapel button?

By Republican Debt Dead Beats

October 26, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

by Republicans Don’t Pay Their Debts So The Democrats Have to @ 4:27pm- Chinese people stealing secrets for the Chinese, huh? Hell, I can do better than that, Spammie:

So King George already knew that there was a problem with his Chinese trading buddies stealing American security secrets and he STILL DID NOT SECURE THE INFORMATION. Does the ‘Republican Debt Dead Beat’ think that this makes the lack of security by the Chimperor MORE agreeable to the American voter ? ? ?

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

bi-danish,

We need to start calling you “Mikey”. You’ll eat anything.

The drug companies make thousands of drugs every year knowing that the possibility of a lawsuit exists. Now read slowly. From year-to-year the number of doses of flu vaccine actually administered varies widely because the CDC generally announces months in advance what the severity of each year’s strain will be. Sometimes there will be 50 million unused doses, most of which are destroyed by the drug companies. In other years the demand exceeds the supply.

Since the actual use of the vaccine is so unpredictable and the profit margins so small, the drug companies just don’t want to be in that business. So they came up with the unsubstantiated excuse that they fear the legal liability, yet have provided no statistics about any historical payouts to successful claimants, nor any auditable figures showing how much they spend defending flu vaccine in court. Again, perhaps the government should do all the R&D, then license the products to companies to sell drugs.

By Paul

October 26, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

Republican Debt at 4:48 So, as you’re still on the same topic, care to answer the question, last paragraph, of my 4:19 post? Or will it be the (typical for many on this forum (not you RW (the original) :) who avoid questions of their assertions and merely repeat their mantra or simply answer with a question that generally begins “Well, you…”

By Republican Debt Dodgers

October 26, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

by Republicans Don’t Pay Their Debts So The Democrats Have to @ 4:44pm- Greenspan specifically said that the United States SHOULDN’T throw up trade barriers against the Euro, that globalization was ultimately good for the economy.

And Greenspan, of course, DID NOT say that having the American dollar replaced as the pre-emminent instrument of financial exchange would be good for America. You really do not have to be a rocket scientisst to understand this one but the ‘Republican Debt Dodger’ still continues to think that he can ‘Fool ALL of the People ALL of the Time’ ! ! !

Notice again, the attempt to distract the reader from the REAL focus of the article, that “both private investors and central banks were shifting away from the U.S. dollar and toward the euro.”

By Goldie

October 26, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

“Conservatives provide charity with their own money. Liberals provide charity with other peoples’ money.”

I think Paul is now feeling free to express his political persuasion.

I guess you would call Ted Turner’s money “other people’s money” as well?

By Goldie

October 26, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

Sure, Paul— go ahead and link your “McGovern” button for all of us to see. I’ll take a look at it!

By Buy Danish

October 26, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

Since the profit margins are small, by your own admission, then why were you b*** at the drug companies for not making enough vaccine, and then moaning that they’re just in it for the money?

You just can’t help yourself I guess - any opportunity to bash Big Pharma must be seized upon.

If you want to argue that the Government should take over this function, fine, argue that and we can debate it. The question is if you can you do it without “spewing” at Big Pharma for daring to make a profit and not exist just for N-GA’s personal benefit.

By Juice 'Em

October 26, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

By Paul @ 4:56 PM- care to answer the question, last paragraph, of my 4:19 post

I’m all for shootin ‘em the juice just like FL gave Danny Rolling last night, bud. How ‘bout you?

By Huge

October 26, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Regarding the new fence, I can’t help but wonder if it’s not going to be a 700 mile Maginot Line!

By Goldie

October 26, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

“Come to think of it, why WASN”T some Democrat wheeling her around claiming that a cure was right around the corner if only you would vote out all the Republicans?”

RW— because Dems don’t wheel around brain- dead people like the so-called “right to lifers” feel the need to do.

By Midori

October 26, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

((((((“Conservatives provide charity with their own money. Liberals provide charity with other peoples’ money.”}}}}}}}

I’m busting a gut here!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Shouldn’t that be: Conservatives get charity via everyone else’s money?

A tax cut in every pot!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

By getalife

October 26, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this

Huge,

It will be built by illegals and the no bid contract will be a great money maker like the rest of their contracts. I doubt the quality will be high.

By Paul

October 26, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this

Goldie 5:05: I notice you didn’t provide me any information to refute the observation I repeated. Could be I’m embarassed by the truth? Don’t know much about Turner’s philanthropy - all his press about “two weeks after 9/11 I still hadn’t decided which side I was on” and other revealing comments. I’d be pleased if he did contribute a lot to charity (emphasis added). Ex-wife Jane didn’t have much good to say about his charitable side.

Goldie at 5:07 - you what,think I have a web site or some such to link to? Phuleeze! But, it’s about 3/4 inch across, dark dark blue, white letters. I’m impressed you also knew he was Nixon’s opponent. Did you also know he was a WWII bomber pilot?

Juice’Em at 5:14: Thanks for the succinct response. I’m with you on that. But for espionage, especially by our own citizens, well, a darker side emerges… BTW - read an account of where al Moussawi (sp) is going to spend the rest of his unnatural life. Same place as Aldrich Ames (CIA, espionage for Russians, sold out his colleagues who were tortured and shot). I rather hope he wishes for death every day. Getting a bit morbid here, gonna have Goldie in a tizzy. As I said, depends on the issue -

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Where do you draw the line on your victim parade and magical cures? Since you claim that Democrats can cure Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s if they only take over Washington, why can’t you regenerate a cerebral cortex?

By Paul

October 26, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

Midori at 5:16 - can’t leave anyone out - it is charity!

Did a paper once in school - hot-button topic was students qualifying for food stamps - I defined welfare as “gov’t assistance” - so said farm subsidies, etc were welfare. That was a fun discussion -

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this

bi-danish,

your 5:11 sounds like “Uncle”

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

((((((“Conservatives provide charity with their own money. Liberals provide charity with other peoples’ money.”}}}}}}}

It seems to be a true statement, see for yourself

By Midori

October 26, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

Paul,

gotta hand it to you: you started out reasonable. Now you’re just another gossip spreading wingnut. It was inevitable.

you’ve been inching up to it day by day — now you’re just a full blown, er, rabid winger.

I saw that sound bite on Turner, and how Fox edited it to make it sound as if he said he “didn’t know which side he was on”.

that’s what you people do best

note that crap only appeared in the wing nut “press”

“ex-wife jane, blah, blah”

You sound like the National Enquirer.

By Goldie

October 26, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

“Don’t know much about Turner’s philanthropy”

Paul, you McGovern-lover— it doesn’t take much time to do a little Googling these days:

Ted Turner’s Foundations: Unprecedented Philanthropy

I’m sure I could take some more time to help you with your research about other liberals and their charitable-giving, too, but gotta get supper in the oven — bye now!

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Ted Turner is famous for very loudly proclaiming that he would give the UN a billion dollars. I think he recently completed that. I’m not sure how much charity is involved in simply feeding corruption, but it’s what he thought would do good things and he did give away the money.

Bill Gates and Warren Buffet would have been a lot better examples of benevolent liberals, but who am I to do Goldie’s research for her…

By Midori

October 26, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

Paul: I’m glad all of my hard earned “charity” is going right to China.

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I thought your 5:11 sounded like a tender act of mercy in lieu of busting the mountain goat’s balls.

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this

Let’s see now. Who gives big bucks and/or time to needy causes?

Bill Gates Jimmy Carter Warren Buffet Willie Nelson Bruce Springsteen Bono LiveAid & FarmAid performers (most)

I think the list of liberal donors would exceed the AJC limit on words/post.

By Only Republicans Got No Better Sense Than to Play in the Street

October 26, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Debt Dodger- There is a big difference between America being isolationist and assuming no trade debt and America being so AWASH in debt to ONE COMMUNIST NATION that the rest of the world is considering dropping the dollar as the pre-emminent instrument of financial exchange in favor of the euro. Are you REALLY that dim ? ? ?

Like most of the ‘extreme’ right you appear to have ‘extreme’ difficulty with gray areas. Here’s a news flash for ya’- the world ain’t all black or white.

By Midori

October 26, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Well Wingnuts - it’s been fun. Time to head home.

Andy - don’t get TOO drunk again, you hear?

tomorrow’s another day. try facing it sober for once.

night, all.

By RE

October 26, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

Scorecard for a dirty congress

GOP is up 13 to 3!!

By Paul

October 26, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

RW (original) at 5:37 Excellent link - did I see (factoring out poor states) a red state/blue state correlation?

Maybe if Hillary claimed her underwear was worth more…

By Paul

October 26, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this

Midori at 5:40: I’m aware of the Media Matters assertion. But, when I watched the performance from - National Press Club? - without anyone doing analysis for me - my impression was - his comments two weeks after 9-11 - then he segued his answer into Iraq - he seemed to, in my mind, dodge the terrorism question so he could make his “I wasn’t sure about Iraq so I’m a really smart guy” comments.

You seem to take all things from a party affiliation perspective. Gotta admit - that was a fun topic.

(Include Goldie if she’s not off to the kitchen): well, glad to hear of some liberal philanthropists. Now, change gears. Restrict the population to currently serving politicians. Care to reevaluate?

And Goldie - one thing about McGovern - he was/is an honorable, truthful man. BTW, I also have a “Goldwater for President” button. Now, there was a character.

RW(the original) A billion to the UN? No wonder my cable rates keep going up.

By Paul

October 26, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this

Goldie at 5:40 Midori at 5:40

Consective posts. I’m a right-wing nut. I’m a left-wing McGovern-lover.

Is this a new record?

By Republicans Are Reading Impaired

October 26, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

Debt Dodger- The article is anything BUT contrary to the position stated. Greenspan said “BOTH PRIVATE INVESTORS AND CENTRAL BANKS WERE SHIFTING AWAY FROM THE U.S.DOLLAR AND TOWARD THE EURO”. That’s a direct quote, ‘Filthy’, and it really ain’t terribly difficult to understand.

The little “” marks indicate a direct quote since you seem to have difficulty with reading comprehension.

By Political Foreskin

October 26, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

About Iraq, the chimp Bush was saying “stay the course, stay the course”. Uncle Sam is now saying, “Right turn, Clyde.”

By Buy Danish

October 26, 2006 06:15 PM | Link to this

RW,

Apparently N-GA is a masochist, and is taunting me.

N-GA,

Instead of Uncle, may I call you “MoFo”?

So why is it that 100 percent of our flu vaccines are now made by two companies in Europe? The answer is simple. Trial lawyers drove the American manufacturers out of the business.

In 1967 there were 26 companies making vaccines in the United States. Today there are only four that make any type of vaccine and none making flu vaccine. Wyeth was the last to fall, dropping flu shots
after 2002. For recently emerging illnesses such as Lyme disease, there is no commercial vaccine, even though one has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration.

All this is the result of a legal concept called “liability without fault” that emerged from the hothouse atmosphere of the law schools in the 1960s and became the law of the land. Under the old “negligence” regime, you had to prove a product manufacturer had done something wrong in order to hold it liable for damages. Under liability without fault, on the other hand, the manufacturer can be held responsible for harm from its products, whether blameworthy or not.

Et cetera et cetera. And there’s this:

In theory, prices might have been jacked up enough to make vaccine production profitable even with the lawsuit risk, but federal intervention made vaccines a low-margin business. Before 1993, manufacturers sold vaccines to doctors, doctors prescribed them to patients, and there was some markup. Then Congress adopted the Vaccine for Children Act, which made the government a monopsony buyer. The feds now purchase over half of all vaccines at a low fixed price and distribute them to doctors. This has essentially finished off the private market.

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this

Warren Buffet is on the side of betting against the dollar. He has hedged against it for almost three years and has also invested heavily in emerging markets (believing that their currencies, and market values, will rise against the fall of dollar). So far, 2 OPEC countries have stopped accepting the dollar for oil purchases. Both have moved to the Euro.

Also, gold has risen significantly. Fooled you! Actually, the price of gold hasn’t risen at all. The dollar has dropped, so the relative value of gold has risen.

You just can’t keep printing money and expect it to have any value. Hitler found that out the hard way. Funny that I should mention Hitler…..

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 06:19 PM | Link to this

Paul,

You are far to intelligent to try to re-phrase the question (current politicians). You know that you can always re-phrase the question until the answer is the one you want.

Don’t do that or I will cease to respect you.

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this

RW (yadayadayada)….you never answered my post from this morning about….nevermind…you didn’t walk thru my open door.

By N-GA

October 26, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

durn it bi-danish….the GOP controls congress (for now)….fix it

By Buy Danish

October 26, 2006 06:35 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Listen to N-GA or he will call you a NAZI who wants to throw idiots like himself into concentration camps in order to perform Stem Cell Research experiments on him and his herd of goats.

N-GA,

Sounds like you’re the one crying Uncle now, MoFo.

By Abe

October 26, 2006 06:35 PM | Link to this

It’s about time that all these Republiscum white trash realize that we are long overdue for a public hanging of drunken, cowardly Bushie and his equally crazed playmates.

By Carolyn

October 26, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

I didn’t laugh at MJF, but I commented to my sister that I thought it was strange the way MJF looked on that ad, since I saw him recently on a show and he seemed okay. She then told me that she heard on the radio on 10/25 that he didn’t take his meds so that he would look like that. That is so bad that I have lost all my respect for MJF.

By Honu

October 26, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Hi Andy — hope you had a wonderful day. Just finished the Steyn interviews…they were classic! Thank you for the links. (Apparently there’s one more in the series — maybe tomorrow?)

Don’t forget to play “Pelosipalooza!” :-)

By Sigh

October 26, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

—————->Greenspan warned, however, that if the United States threw up barriers to isolate itself from the pressures of globalization, “the adjustment process could be a little bit more problematic.”<—————————Rueters

It can’t be made anymore clearer.

If you put a tariff on the trading of Euros then you will depress the buying of dollars.

If you really want to get in depth, please tell me one solid long term investment that anyone sees in the European Union?

This is a fad if anything.

Look Spammie, this may be a hard thing to grasp but there are plenty of hysterical feminist articles out there that will totally agree with your harebrained theories on the debt.

This^^ ain’t one of them.

What is so hard to understand here?

If anybody else would like to show me the error of my ways, I’m willing to revisit my assumptions.

By Willy

October 26, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

You got that right, Abe. The same lifeless babbling goons here all the time. Absolute know-nothings, as illiterate as they are ignorant of life itself. “White Trash” is surely one of many appropriate terms to describe them. It’s likely a genetic thing.

By Paul

October 26, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

N-GA 6:19 Buy Danish 6:35

Actually, N-GA has a good point. However, my original (I thought it was going to be fun…) comment did refer to politicians in the examples, but the “Conservatives do charity” quip went to general. Then the examples came back of media types, actors, etc. Good examples, but no examples of political figures. But I was asking a serious question - which, NGA - is why I wanted to take it back to politicians.

Wasn’t looking for a “right” answer - an explanation I’ll lead off with tomorrow (hopefully I’ll remember - still buried in work) -

By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 06:51 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

I’ve answered every question you’ve asked me. When you put a string of names in your address I ignore it because I don’t know who you are talking to. If there is some open question out there, please repeat it.

Paul,

There is a definite red state/blue state tilt in that chart. It also is charting those evil rich making 200K+per year. I wonder if the class warfare Democrats have thought about what happens to charitable donations when you rob these people for pet projects.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 26, 2006 06:52 PM | Link to this

Hey Honu: Yes we should get Steyn installment number 3 tomorrow.

The “Full Lamonty” sounds like the game for me.

Did you see David Warren this week, I didn’t post his article because, well, I didn’t fully agree with some of the things he said.

It was still a good read.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 26, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

One big reason for the new energy we’re seeing among Republicans is the realization of what the congressional leadership will look like if Democrats win back the House. It seems clear that Americans have glimpsed a future with the San Francisco values of Nancy Pelosi third in line for the presidency, and they don’t like what they see.

And who could blame them? The following is just a sampling of Nancy Pelosi’s voting record on issues that are critical to mainstream Americans. Pelosi voted:

NO on the Border Security Bill

NO on making the Republican tax cuts permanent

NO on eliminating the marriage penalty

NO on eliminating the death tax

NO on creating Health Savings Accounts

NO on the Defense of Marriage Act

NO on the 1996 Welfare Reform Law (and NO on its reauthorization)

NO on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance

NO on banning partial-birth abortion

NO on requiring a photo I.D. to ensure only legal voters vote

NO on the Patriot Act

NO on authorizing domestic tracking of terrorists

NO on military tribunals and new interrogation rules for terrorist detainees

Yes on raising taxes!

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 26, 2006 07:06 PM | Link to this

True believers make unbelievers uncomfortable; and not just uncomfortable, but angry. Witness the left’s efforts to tear down those who strive to live by Biblical principles. Witness the attempts at character assassination of anyone who takes a strong moral stance on social issues. It doesn’t matter that those who hold to traditional values and strong ethical and moral stances tend to be gracious and kind [though not always] toward those who hold divergent views.

Why the anger? Why the venom?

Strong faith and unbending commitment to principle deeply offends postmodernists who don’t want to contend with boundaries or limitations on their independence. The incredible demonstration of the strength of Christian forgiveness by the Amish following the massacre of their children stands as a shining monument to Christian principles; so compelling was the impact of their devotion that many people—including unbelievers—were awed. But this is an election year, and a moment’s notice is all the media dared give their example of Christian love—it just didn’t fit the agenda; they had to quickly “get back with the program.”

After all, the left can’t let truth and goodness get in the way of their lust for power.

By Peoples for a New Amerika' Century

October 26, 2006 07:10 PM | Link to this

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God Bless the SnowFlake babys!, even if they are Test Tube Babies. Has everyone forgotten that Test Tube babys are far closer to cloning humans than Stem Cell research ever will be!

Seems that Republicans want to save babys before they are born, yet have no problems with them being killed by our bombs after they are born.

Of course the earth will overpopulate itself anyways.

God Bless Amerika’

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By RW-(the original)

October 26, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

Just as food for thought for tomorrow, does anybody else out there agree with rushncap that nothing in this country can ever be developed until the government has funded the original steps in the production process?

By Republicans Are Still Reading Impaired

October 26, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

Sigh- Once again (sheez), the direct quote from Greenspan was “BOTH PRIVATE INVESTORS AND CENTRAL BANKS WERE SHIFTING AWAY FROM THE U.S.DOLLAR AND TOWARD THE EURO”.

Greenspan, also, gave his usual admonishment concerning going whole hog the other way into isolationism. This assertion is not in conflict with his opinion regarding the dollar being usurped by the euro. He was merely cautioning against an ‘extreme’ reaction toward isolationism.

Sure, ‘If you put a tariff on the trading of Euros then you will depress the buying of dollars.’ What does THAT have to do with it? And if America assumes COLLOSAL debt with ONE COMMUNIST NATION, the dollar will, also, lose value through loss of diversified investment. This is why the US dollar is now losing its’ position as the pre-emminent vehicle of world trade. That is what is happening now, what Greenspan called attention to, and it is happening while King George is asleep at the wheel or so desperate for war bucks that he is willing to sell America up the river to get them ! ! !

 

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