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By George

October 24, 2006 08:35 PM | Link to this

Gee a toon without Bush, I’m shocked!

It doesn’t matter. Andy will will post his off topic drivel regardless of what the toon is.

.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 24, 2006 08:48 PM | Link to this

By Georgie Girl October 23, 2006 08:51 AM Sorry Andy, I have better things to do than hack a blog on a website.

Yep:

By George October 24, 2006 08:35 PM Gee a toon without Bush, I’m shocked!

I am touched that you remembered me Georgie, am I always on your mind?

You little sweetie.

By The Good News from Iraq that the MSM won't print

October 24, 2006 11:50 PM | Link to this

Latest incidents

Falluja

· US troops pull over a fire truck and kill four firefighters after a report of a hijacking in western Falluja. The men were firefighters responding to a call

Baghdad

· Clashes erupt between gunmen and police in the Zafaraniya district, killing two civilians, wounding eight

· A bomb in an ice-cream shop kills one, wounds seven in Sadriya district

· US forces make house-to-house searches and set up checkpoints in search for missing US army translator

Kirkuk

· One roadside bomb targets the deputy police chief, wounding security guard; another wounds two policemen and two civilians

· Bomb kills two Iraqi soldiers and wounds two others

Anbar province

· Two US marines killed in hostile fire.

October’s death toll so far

· Coalition

US 88

UK 1

Other 2

· Iraqis

Security forces 141

Civilians 1,102

SOURCE: ICASUALTIES.ORG

By The Good News from Iraq that the MSM won't print

October 24, 2006 11:54 PM | Link to this

Latest incidents

Falluja

· US troops pull over a fire truck and kill four firefighters after a report of a hijacking in western Falluja. The men were firefighters responding to a call

Baghdad

· Clashes erupt between gunmen and police in the Zafaraniya district, killing two civilians, wounding eight

· A bomb in an ice-cream shop kills one, wounds seven in Sadriya district

· US forces make house-to-house searches and set up checkpoints in search for missing US army translator

Kirkuk

· One roadside bomb targets the deputy police chief, wounding security guard; another wounds two policemen and two civilians

· Bomb kills two Iraqi soldiers and wounds two others

Anbar province

· Two US marines killed in hostile fire.

October’s death toll so far

· Coalition

US 88

UK 1

Other 2

· Iraqis

Security forces 141

Civilians 1,102

SOURCE: ICASUALTIES.ORG

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 25, 2006 04:24 AM | Link to this

This^^ is what the liberals consider to be “Good News?”

By The Good News from Iraq that the MSM won’t print October 24, 2006 11:50 PM October’s death toll so far Coalition US 88

What a sick little mofo.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 25, 2006 06:23 AM | Link to this

The current American panic, by contrast, is precisely what the insurgents intend with their surge of October violence. The Baathists and Sadrists can read the U.S. political calendar, and they’d like nothing better than to feed the perception that the violence is intractable. They want our election to be perceived as a referendum on Iraq that will speed the pace of American withdrawal. The truth is that the Sunni insurgents are still capable only of hit-and-run attacks, are slaughtered whenever they gather en masse, and have held down no permanent territory since Fallujah was cleaned out in late 2004.-OpinionJournal

Al Qaeda’s best ally is the American liberal, matter of fact, it’s Al Qaeda’s only hope.

{^*^}

And although one hears jingoistic and exaggerated statements made on editorial pages about the breakdown of the Iraqi government, the Iraqi state continues to function and improve its performance. Salaries are being paid, oil is being sold, and the incredibly complex monthly food-ration system is still up and running. The anti-corruption arm of the government is doing marvelous work in prosecuting the guilty, which is a first for the Middle East. {{{{{Given that the insurgents kill municipal trash collectors for simply doing their jobs, it is no small feat that any garbage is being picked up at all. The insurgents continue to threaten teachers and professors, yet schools are open.}}}}} It is these simple acts of courage — to keep going amidst all the threats of terror — which were on display during the elections, but they keep happening daily even when the cameras stop rolling.-NYSun

The Iraqis fight for freedom, the liberals want to abandon them.

By Brian Curtis

October 25, 2006 08:09 AM | Link to this

I wonder if Andy’s getting treatment for his obsessive-compulsive disorder… are any of the voices in his head trained therapists, by chance?

By Goldie

October 25, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this

I wonder if any of you saw the Creative Loafing article this week about our old blogging friend, Joe Roman — he’s gone now. He was a friend of mine back in the 70’s and 80’s when we had the same circle of friends in the music scene in Atlanta — I thought some of you may be interested in knowing a little more about who he was.

Joe Roman, former CL music editor, dies

By RW-(the original)

October 25, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Thanks for the information, sorry you lost your friend.

By George

October 25, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

Brian, Andy is off his meds so anything can happen. Sometimes he gets so upset when people post lots of posts from the real world that he will fill up the blog with nonsensical verbage till the AJC shuts it down.

When he isn’t blogging, he is walking the streets like you and I so doesn’t that make you fell safe.

By Goldie

October 25, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

RW— thanks for your thoughts. I was out of touch with Joe during the 90’s, so I was quite tickled to see him here blogging with his real name these past couple of years! He was quite a character to get to know…

By bon scott

October 25, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

Andy, you’re a drunken idiot. Or are you intentionally editing George’s comments to mislead everyone?

Probably both!

Here’s how the little pederast quoted George this morning:

By drunken Andy the pederast’s friend - October 24, 2006 08:48 PM - {{By Georgie Girl October 23, 2006 08:51 AM Sorry Andy, I have better things to do than hack a blog on a website}}.

Stepping into the wayback machine, we find George’s COMPLETE comment.

By George - October 23, 2006 08:51 AM - Sorry Andy, I have better things to do {{on the weekend}} than hack a blog on a website. There is a great big world out there beyond the keyboard. You ought to try it some time.

Yeppers, George is commenting on how drunken Andy wastes his weekends hacking here. Which drunken Andy does.

George, I know you don’t need me to defend you. But it’s just so much FUN displaying Andy’s stupidity.

Wonder what else he mangles out of context?

Everything, friends. Everything.

By George

October 25, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

Darn! Reality rears its ugly head again. Why can’t it just follow the Republican talking points.

Iraqi Realities Undermine the Pentagon’s Predictions

BAGHDAD, Oct. 24 — In trying to build support for the American strategy in Iraq, Gen. George W. Casey Jr. said Tuesday that the Iraqi military could be expected to take over the primary responsibility for securing the country within 12 to 18 months.

But that laudable goal seems far removed from the violence-plagued streets of Iraq’s capital, where American forces have taken the lead in trying to protect the city and American soldiers substantially outnumber Iraqi ones.

By Buy Danish

October 25, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Thank you for the link about your friend, Joe Roman. I’m sorry that his life took such a terribly sad turn.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Guest Workers!!!!

October 25, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

BATON ROUGE, La. - The federal government has agreed to halt oil and natural gas lease sales off the Louisiana coast until environmental studies determine whether drilling degrades the coastline, the Department of the Interior announced Tuesday.

Damn pinko tree huggin Republicans just won’t let the oil and gas industry drill for new oil. Commie pigs ! ! !

By Goldie

October 25, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this

thank you, Danish — it’s hard when someone you know is in that much pain. And that suicide is considered an answer to the pain. I can only imagine what his wife and family are feeling today.

By Buy Danish

October 25, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

Georgie,

You are “walking the streets” with Brian??? Do you have a sign and a tin cup in hand, or do you wear hot pants?

Sybil Bon Shmuck,

You don’t see the irony that George hacks into the website on the weekend to tell us that he has better things to do than hack into the website on the weekend?

Moving on -

Your response to my question as to exactly when I became a “traitor” for my views on the Iraq War remain unanswered. I want to know the date.

By ed lorenzo

October 25, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

CAMPAIGN FUNDS

I could not believe my ears, eyes and sinuses when I heard the following exchange at the clubhouse of a luxury golf club, where I was spraying the orchids with Evian water and earning 6 dollars an hour.

Two captains of industry, judging by the 5 thousand dollar sets of golf clubs, the 2 thousand dollar alligator shoes and 50,000 dollar Patek Phillipe wrist watches were commenting on recent news about one of their senator friends who in less than two weeks had collected 4 million dollars more in campaign funds than his opponent

“So, he has collected 4 million more than poor old Nick’s half a million?”

“Yup Leon. It is going to be the best sale of the year. Since this country adopted the Election Sales Process and Government by Equity Funding, things look great for me and my family!”

“That is a cynical appraisal, Sylvester. What do you mean?”

“Well, my family owns a sizeable portfolio that includes a considerable number of Wal Mart shares”

“I am glad for you, but what does Wal Mart has to do with what we are talking about?”

“A great deal Sylvester. I have just learned that Wal Mart is now planning to begin offering senate seats, governorships, cabinet posts, city mayor gigs, Supreme Court appointments and a long list of government jobs.”

“They must be out of their minds! This is the most outrageous thing I ever heard! What are they doing to this country? To our Constitution? To all the guidelines developed in three hundred years? He stopped in mid sentence and then asked Sylvester:

“By the way, would they have something in the Appropriations Committee?”

By George

October 25, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

bon scott, actually I feel a little sorry for Andy so I don’t give him too hard of a time. For Andy, this is as good as it gets. This is it, a blog on the AJC website where he can annoy to his hearts content.

By Andy

October 25, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

Bon scott, you’re not fooling anyone. You must think bloggers are stupid. You perpetuate andy’s spam with your own. It’s so obvious, that neither one of you gets read by anyone but yourself. You’re worse than that faux blonde, Dye Brainless, whose only claim to being is blond is that she’s brainless, and dyes her hair.

So stfu. Let others blog. We know what you’re going to say: ditto ditto ditto

same thing everyday. ditto ditto ditto

You’re a waste of time and O2. Recede, Rescind and Recidivize.

Moron.

By Andy

October 25, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

I thought Lucky’s cartoon was good. There were many quotes he could have chosen from. “Have a Coke and a Dream”, “The Real Dream”, “Coke at last, Coke at last, thank God almight we have coke at last”

“We shall over cola”

You get the bit, I know.

Andy and Bon scott: STFU!

U2 Dye Brainless.

By Andy

October 25, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

Cartoon idea: Today’s cartoon with MLK could have also read, “I have climbed the soda fountain, and I’ve seen the cola land….”

By Andy

October 25, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

“The million bottle march for cola” “We want justice, and rum for our coke” “Our strategy in Iraq is to Coke and Rum”.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Guest Workers!!!!

October 25, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. and Iraqi forces on Wednesday raided Sadr City, the stronghold of the feared Shiite militia led by radical anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, but Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki disavowed the operation, saying he had not been consulted and insisting “that it will not be repeated.”

No, no, no, musn’t hurt any bad guys. Hell, Iraqis might actually have to work for a living rebuilding their OWN country instead of mooching on the American taxpayer to do it for them ! ! !

By Andy

October 25, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

I dream of a day when a man is judged not by the color of his skin, but the cola on his chin.

By RW-(the original)

October 25, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

Polly Prepuce,

Since everyone on any side of an issue bothers you, isn’t there an easier solution than all of them leaving?

By Andy

October 25, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this

Andy, stfu you pos.

A nut in the internet!

By George

October 25, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

I like the fake Andy better!

By Goldie

October 25, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

“I dream of a day when a man is judged not by the color of his skin, but the cola on his chin.”

Hee-hee, now that one’s funny — I can see Coca-Cola trying to use that one!

By We're Gonna.....Give......Your Job....To......'Guest Workers'!!!!

October 25, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

PANAMA CITY, Panama - The United States on Monday applauded Panama’s overwhelming vote in favor of widening its canal, an eight-year project that will cost $5.25 billion and should lower prices for shoppers on the East Coast buying goods from Asia.

Now this IS hillarious. Republicans applauding Jimmy Carter’s turn-over of the Panama Canal after they have been barbequing the guy for decades over the exact same issue. We still get to use the canal forever and WE don’t have to pay for the upgrade. Looks like Carter just saved us $5.25 billion+++ ! ! !

Republicans agree: When you want it done right the FIRST time, call a Democrat ! ! !

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 25, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

By George October 25, 2006 08:57 AM When he isn’t blogging, he is {{{walking the streets like you and I}}} so doesn’t that make you {{{{{fell}}}}} safe.

Selling that booty, Georgie Girl?

Danish: Only Andy obsessed Oddball Gay Finch would nuance the difference between hacking on the weekend or weeknight and make a rambling, idiotic post out of it.

I’m under his skin, hehehe.

By pssst.....Stay the Course

October 25, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON (AFP) - President George W. Bush will defend his Iraq policy, the White House said, but announce no changes in US troop levels in a press conference two weeks before US elections overshadowed by the unpopular war.

This oughta be good for a laugh. How many ways can King George say ‘stay the course’ without actually saying ‘stay the course’ ! ! !

By Republican Do Nothings Just Wanna Talk, Talk

October 25, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

CINCINNATI (Reuters) - American radio talk-show hosts have become frontline warriors in a drive by President George W. Bush and his Republicans to pull off a surprise and maintain control of Congress in November 7 elections.

It is totally insightful that when Republicans have screwed the pooch, they still want to ‘TALK SHOW’ their way out of it rather than ‘DO SOMETHING’ productive to regain the trust of the American voter. Guess that would be running counter to their ‘DO NOTHING’ nature, though ! ! !

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 25, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

By Republican Do Nothings Just Wanna Talk, Talk October 25, 2006 10:38 AM It is totally insightful that when Republicans have screwed the pooch, they still want to ‘TALK SHOW’ their way out of it rather than ‘DO SOMETHING’ productive to regain the trust of the American voter.

Spammie: I know that since you are a democrat you have no idea what a PLAN is but when you ever do get one you will discover that you have to TALK to let everyone know what it is.

Just goes to show you you can’t take even the simplest things for granted with these idiot liberals.

By Dusty

October 25, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

CocaCola donates land to Atlanta for a Civil Rights Museum. So what kind of thanks does the company get?

For one, a “cute” little cartoon not only making fun of Martin Luther King but the benefactor, CocaCola. AJC shows how much it appreciates gifts to Atlanta with its main thankless member, Luckovich.

Maybe Miss Manners could give AJC a few instructions on good manners. Things like saying “Thank you” when your city receives a gift, instead of a big derogatory “joke”.

By Gettin Screwed the Honest Way

October 25, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Porn star Mary Carey said on Monday she was dropping out of the California governor’s race to be with her injured mother, who has been hospitalized in Florida since jumping off a four-story building last month.

Well, this is a step up from the Republicans, anyway. At least with THIS independent candidate, you KNOW you’re gettin screwed before you cast your ballot ! ! !

By @@

October 25, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

Goldie: I read your link about Joe. I’m sorry to hear about his passing. It’s kinda nice to be able to put a face with a name here. His picture does portray somebody who might have been a character.

I’ll send a prayer up for his family.

By Buy Danish

October 25, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

If only the company which donated the land had been a Big Biotech company that specialized in Embryonic Stem Cell Research the accolades from Liberals like ML would be deafening.

By gt engineer

October 25, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

the brainwashed ‘rush-heads’ in here are so simplistic…all of the problems we are in right now are ALL due to the republican gov’t, all of them…and somehow this is the dems fault?! thankfully the american voters have seen the true result of putting these fascists into power…and once hillary takes over to clean up the destruction of freedom and liberty that bush has spearheaded, she will once again prove that it takes a clinton to clean up after a bush.

By Buy Danish

October 25, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

More from the Moonbat Daily Express -

Holidaymakers could be hit with a “global warming” tax of up to £50 under plans aimed at forcing airlines to reduce gas emissions…Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett said the new charges should be imposed by as early as 2008 or Britain will be thrown into “climate chaos”.

Okaaaaaay. This is brilliant. Taxes will put an end to climate chaos! Why didn’t I think of that?

Of course the other alternative is just tell you that you can’t leave the country - just like the good old days in the Soviet Union. No more climate chaos - problem solved!

The readers comments are amusing. They have the moonbats pegged for the idiots they are.

By getalife

October 25, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

Mike,

Did you give Jim a question to ask Condi?

By Jim Wooten

October 25, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this

Morning all. Later in the week, I get a chance to interview Condoleezza Rice for 30 minutes. If you have any pressing questions, other than whether she’ll be a candidate for president in 2008, which she’s answered repeatedly, let me know. I may pick two or three from the blog, record the answers and report back.

I left him several but I doubt he will use them.

By Buy Danish

October 25, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

gt engineer,

Are you ML incognito? You have similar “writing” styles where CAPS are missing in action, and the humor falls flat.

I’m curious - will Ms. Clinton “take over” because she gets more votes, or will you just install her as part of a Democrat scheme to get rid of “fascists”?

By Goldie

October 25, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

@@— I appreciate your thoughts about Joe. Not only did he “express himself” here on the blog, but he also used his real name while doing it — not many people feel safe enough to do that these days (me included).

By Brian Curtis

October 25, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

Dusty, you seem convinced that every figure who appears in a Luckovich cartoon is “being made fun of.” Why is that?

He’s shown soldiers and not made fun of them; he’s shown TV viewers he wasn’t making fun of; and today he’s shown MLK, who he is (again, obviously) NOT making fun of.

Are you just stuck on the notion that “if it’s in a cartoon, it’s being mocked”? Or do you just hate Luckovich so much that you like to make empty accusations you KNOW are meaningless?

By Dusty

October 25, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I think AJC is saving ALL acolades for the mystery Democratic candidate for president and the mysterious Democratic plank we are to consider in the foggy future.

Maybe there should be a rewrite of the “Invisible Man”, what with all the know-all books coming out. Why? Looks like “The Invisible Man ” is the next Democratic candidate or even “The Invisible Woman”.

I can see it now. Vote for a Democrat. We will tell you who it is LATER.

By Buy Danish

October 25, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

Brian Curtis,

Gosh, I can’t imagine where any of us got the idea that the characters in ML’s cartoons are “being mocked” (usually G.W.B.)

ML not only “makes fun of soldiers” he equates them with Al Qaeda terrorists. This cartoon was originally called “Pot to Kettle” but after national outrage, it was changed to “Book on Torture”.

As for today’s cartoon, I believe it is meant to be a dig at Evil Big Corporations who rot the teeth of our children who are forced to drink the sugary substance, and use MLK to give evil a pretty face. Or something like that.

By Cindy

October 25, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Goldie. Another good man is gone. I didn’t know him other than reading his blogs, but he sounded like one heck of a great guy and I am truly sorry about his death.

By Brian Curtis

October 25, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

BD: Hey, you got it right! So he’s not making fun of MLK at all, and yet you accuse him of it. Why is that, exactly? Couldn’t you come up with a legitimate comment?

As for his earlier cartoon, yes: he did make fun of those specific soldiers (or politicans, the guy’s in a hood) who use Al-Qaeda’s actions as an excuse to betray American ideals. That’s a far cry from accusing all U.S. soldiers of doing that, or mocking them for it.

If I knew of a U.S. soldier guilty of such an atrocity, I’d mock him too—and rightly so. Heck, I’d probably do more than just draw a cartoon.

By RW-(the original)

October 25, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Here’s a screen capture of when the cartoon ml drew comparing US soldiers to al Qaeda terrorists was still named Pot to Kettle Click on the picture to enlarge.

We have electricity in Norcross again!!! On my antique laptop this morning I thought this cartoon was Bill Campbell at a penitentiary and he had somehow set up a tacky street vendor/Coke deal. Now I see it’s just the scribbler denigrating one of the most important men and most vital speeches in our history, but who is he slamming? Is it Coke or the King family of sellouts?

In typical lucko fashion it looks like he is blaming Coke for the fact that the Kings will sell anything from their family’s legacy for private gain. Kind of like yesterday when Ted Kennedy mistook Obama for Osama for the second time and ml blamed Bush.

By Midori

October 25, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

thanks for the info on Joe Roman. I liked him a lot - he used to scold me whenever I got out of line. And he was never mean about it either.

RIP Joe. You will truly be missed.

Andy: please, PLEASE get a bloody hobby.

You’ve become a parody of yourself.

By Rambo Andie

October 25, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

What a stupid fool chickenhawk.

By getalife

October 25, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

Sorry to hear about Joe.

He was one of the good guys.

Very sad.

By Peoples for a New Amerika' Century

October 25, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

Hey RW!

Thats a great Cartoon, and sadly too true. The soon to be court ordered released Abu-Graib pictures and videos of sexual molestions and torture that Rommels’Feld wanted to keep hidden will show that we in America should be careful about casting stones when our own hands are dirty.

Nice post RW.

By Goldie

October 25, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

Midori, Cindy and Getalife— I thought a few of you would appreciate knowing about Joe. I debated back and forth yesterday about whether to post the link or not, not wanting to make too personal a statement. But then I thought, why not make a personal statement about it? He was a kind person, and I think he’s worth remembering here on the blog where he spent quite a few hours of life… RIP, Joe the good-hearted!

By RW-(the original)

October 25, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

PfaNAC,

Glad you get such joy out of dragging one isolated event, that people were already prosecuted for, around to further besmirch the overwhelming number of brave and loyal military members that selflessly protect your sorry a-ss day in and day out.

Shows what a pathetic punk you are.

By RE

October 25, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

PNAC

Please do not compare Rummsfeld to Rommel. Rommel was one of the best military leaders the world has seen, Rumsfeld is incompetent

By Huge

October 25, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the link, Goldie.

What a walk down memory lane! The Great Speckled Bird, The Agora Ballroom, The Great Southeast Music Hall, Weather Report, Little Feat, the Allman Bros.

Thanks, Joe, for helping make Atlanta the cool music city it is.

By Peoples for a New Amerika' Century

October 25, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

RW

Really? So the troops and National Gaurd are protecting me by being over in Iraq, and not here where I actually am.

Just like the New Orleans National Gaurd were there in Iraq to save the citizens of New Orleans from drowning during the Katrina flooding.

I think Torture is bad no matter who does it or authorizes it and for whatever reasons, be it for aquiring information, or causing terror and fear. I think we can both agree with that basic principle, unless you are an advocate for the practice of torture itself.

We can also agree that Iraq and most middle east nations are barabaric nations where human life is of little importance, and torture, death, and intimidation is generally a way of life for them.

What we apparently disagree on is that you are fine in accepting tortures done by the United States as being useful and not barbaric. That getting info or intimidating our prisoners with fear of death is all in a days work. Or at least you appear to codone it, or is it that you are naive to our military and CIA’s hidden torture tactics.

I certainly hope that we in the USA never stoop to the behavior of our enemy. Especially an enemy that is already considered babaric.

If it had been just an isolated incident, then you would be right, but this was not an isolated event, and it was not just in one location. Clearly with this court release there are many more prosecutions to come.

This was posted by Midori yesterday: http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/14864

Don’t get me wrong I understand that there will be incidents in any war, but we now have many higher ranking officers and a President willing to make legislation authorizing what amounts to legalized torture an official procedure for our troops and secret agencys.

Amerika’ Home of Justice for All

By RE

October 25, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

First Foley’s story comes out, now for Fla Gov. Chalie Crist

In all fairness, the kid was over 18 and a STATE senate page

By RW-(the original)

October 25, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

PfaNAC,

I didn’t believe even the blindest moonbat believed they were supposed to be supplied there own military detail to accompany them on their day to day travels domestically, but I stand corrected.

You might want to have that pesky Posse Comitatus law repealed though.

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

October 25, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

By RE October 25, 2006 01:15 PM PNAC Please do not compare Rummsfeld to Rommel. Rommel was one of the best military leaders the world has seen, Rumsfeld is incompetent

Huh, interesting how these liberals rate military commanders:

At the end of October 1942, he was {{{{defeated}}}} in the second Battle of el-Alamein and had to withdraw to the German bridgehead in Tunis.

No wonder they want us to cut and run from Iraq.

They see utter humiliating defeat to be a measure of military greatness.

This is all starting to come clear.

They think the role of our army is to hide in the safety of the stateside barracks, cowering in fear at the mere thought of having to protect our innocent women and children.

This is so damn bizarre.

By Midori

October 25, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

well, I suppose we should be grateful that he didn’t attack the font size……

By Peoples for a New Amerika' Century

October 25, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

Yeh’ Gods man!

RW, How could you ever think that I want the government following me around all day? That’s a Republican wet dream, to have each citizen watched and under surveilance 24 hours a day, but definitly not mine. I believe in keeping my privacy thank you.

No where whatsoever do I say that I want a personal military escort, but I want the troops home defending US soil rather than in Iraq defending “Bush Buddy’s” Oil and Corporate interest.

Posse Comitatus?

Isn’t that the law congress passed where we say that our military will not be used in a Law enforcement capacity?

Yet now our military is law enforcement against drug lords in South America, because we declared a “War on Drugs”.

And they are also now the law enforcement of the world, because we declared a “War on Terrorism”.

Funny that!

By RE

October 25, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

“They think the role of our army is to hide in the safety of the stateside barracks, cowering in fear at the mere thought of having to protect our innocent women and children.”

How many of our innocent men in women are they protecting in Iraq again, I forget

By RE

October 25, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

By the way, Are you still for “Stay the course” andy, or are you now a cut and runner?

By Buy Danish

October 25, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

Brainless Curtis,

How the heck do you manage to read this:

As for today’s cartoon, I believe it is meant to be a dig at Evil Big Corporations who rot the teeth of our children who are forced to drink the sugary substance, and use MLK to give evil a pretty face. Or something like that.

Yet come to this conclusion?????So he’s not making fun of MLK at all, and yet you accuse him of it. Why is that, exactly? Couldn’t you come up with a legitimate comment?

Maybe reading comprehension is not a strong point? Did I “accuse”, or even imply, that ML was making fun of MLK?

No wonder you are walking the streets with Georgie Girl.

By RE

October 25, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

From George Orwell:

“Parsons was Winston’s fellow employee at the Ministry of Truth. He was a fattish but active man of paralyzing stupidity, a mass of imbecile enthusiasms—one of those completely unquestioning, devoted drudges on whom, more even than on the thought police, the stability of the Party depended.” —pg 22

Who does this remind you of

By We're Going To Raise..... Your......Taxes!!!!!

October 25, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

By RE October 25, 2006 02:46 PM How many of our innocent men in women are they protecting in Iraq again, I forget

We’ll never know now that all those Al Qaeda terrorists are dead, now will we? Are you suggesting that we should elevate the life of a person that would suicide bomb innocent people over that of our women and children?

By RE October 25, 2006 02:48 PM By the way, Are you still for “Stay the course” andy, or are you now a cut and runner?

Actually, I’m for “bomb and kill all of them before they kill us” but I’m a patriot above all so I support my president:

Despite conceding painful losses, Bush said victory was essential in Iraq as part of the broader war on terror. “We’re winning and we will win, unless we leave before the job is done,” he said.

Too hard to understand or what?

By Buy Danish

October 25, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

How many of our innocent men {{{in}}}women are they protecting in Iraq again, I forget

RE,

I don’t know - why don’t you tell us!

By Goldie

October 25, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

Huge— the Great SE Music Hall was something else, yes? I remember sitting in those wooden floor-bleacher seats and pouring beer from a bucket while listening to some of the best live music ever— Greg Allman, Little Feat, Doug Kershaw, Waylon Jennings, Taj Mahal, and so many more… The Atlanta music scene has not seen the likes of that since the Moonshadow Saloon days, and that place has been closed since about 1990. Sad state of music these days — so corporate and impersonal.

By RE

October 25, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

OK, We are winning and we will win, who is the enemy?

Al Queda?

Sunni Insurgents?

Shia Insurgents?

Local Mititias?

Al Sadr?

Any of them, all of them?

Tough to win when you do not have an opponent you can define

By RE

October 25, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. and Iraqi forces raided the stronghold of a Shiite militia led by a radical anti-American cleric in search of a death squad leader in an operation disavowed by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

Al-Maliki, who relies on political support from the cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, said the strike against a figure in al-Sadr’s Mahdi militia in City “will not be repeated.”

Forget about enemys, do we have any allies at all in iraq?

By Peoples for a New Amerika' Century

October 25, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

Forget Iraq!

Iraq was our great weapons against a country that had little to shoot back at us with.

I think this war will cost us far more American lives. Especially if Bush decides to “Stay the Course” on this one.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15411541/

If South Korea gets attacked, then that entire area will make Iraq and the entire middle east look like a pre-school spat.

Time to re-stock my bomb shelter! Welcome back to the 60’s.

By RW-(the original)

October 25, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

PfaNAC,

Look freak, you’re the one that said the National Guard was supposed to be in New Orleans making sure nobody drowned. They would have had to over ride the authority of both the Democrat Mayor of New Orleans and the Democrat Governor of Louisiana to do that. So it’s you that wants the military to have full autonomy to take control of any domestic situation at will.

Frankly I don’t have the time or inclination to go back through the same arguments with you every time you think you’re being clever by changing your name and spouting the same nonsense. Why don’t you go to New Orleans yourself and make a difference in someones life with your own time and money, or run for office and change the laws and government structure we live under instead of carping on a blog all day every day.

By bon scott

October 25, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

The vaccuum in the alcoholic brains of Andy and other wingnuts here about Iraq has to do with their utter incomprehension of the situation there.

They see an al Qaeda fueled Islamic jihad menace that is united in it’s resistance to the combined efforts of Iraqi PM al-Maliki, his Parliament, Army and police, and the US to bring the fruits of Democracy to Mesopotamia.

By drunken Andy - October 25, 2006 03:08 PM - We’ll never know now that all those Al Qaeda terrorists are dead, now will we?… Actually, I’m for “bomb and kill all of them before they kill us” but I’m a patriot above all so I support my president.

Now that’s a child’s view of Iraq. Typical of that dumbarse in the White House. Here’s the reality. There’s no bin Laden influence. No grand caliphate dreams in Baghdad. No Basra suicide squads girding for a global war against the infidels.

There’s just scores of tribes and clans all over Iraq with various religions and blood ties in a battle to the death over turf and oil. With an unmanned and underfunded US trying to play peacekeeper.

Over the last week, violence — bombings, gun battles, sniper shootings, kidnappings, torture and executions — erupted in Baghdad, Amarah, Ramadi, Mosul, Diyala, Suwayra, Kirkuk and Mahmoudiyah, among other places. Some counts put the number of armed non-government militias at close to two dozen.

You got Sunnis fighting Baathists fighting the Shia Badr milita fighting the Shia Mahdi milita fighting the Kurds… and factions within those groups fighting eachother…

For their “little piece of turf”.

You can’t devise an effective strategy without knowledge. And it’s clear that Bush and Rumsfeld and all their puny defenders here… don’t… know… squat.

By Huge

October 25, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Ah! The Moonshadow. I have two pals who used to work there in the day. What a zoo!

Do you remember the Texas Tea Room? I went with a friend, a big badass biker type, just after I had moved here in the 70’s and we saw David Allen Coe there.

What a quaint little joint that was. NOT!

Between acts, we walked outside and I remember seeing about 50 Harleys parked out front, and my friend telling a cop standing there, not to follow us between the tour buses, as we would be smoking, if you know what I mean!

I thought, “Oh great! I’ve never been in jail before, but I guess there’s a first time for everything!”

The cops were smart/cool enough back then to leave all of us alone though. Those were the days…

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 25, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

By RE October 25, 2006 03:19 PM OK, We are winning and we will win, who is the enemy?

Trick question?

Anyone who wants to kill free and innocent Iraqi citizens?

?Huh?

What’s up with the imposition of the warlord culture, are you hoping to define which one we can surrender to?

By Cindy

October 25, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

Actually, we are saving NO (that is 0, zilch, nada, etc.) US lives in Iraqi. There were no suicide bombers in Iraq before March 2003. Now Saudi Arabia…..

By Goldie

October 25, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

Huge— that is too funny about you @ the Moonshadow Saloon! I have lots of fond memories there — a great wooden dance floor next to the stage — but I do admit that it’s mostly a “smoky haze” trying to remember the details now!

By Blog Dawg

October 25, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

The question is not “who is the enemy”. The question instead is, ” what do the Iraqis want”?

The answer to that question is different for nearly every single Iraqi.

Then the question becomes, “Can we save the Iraqis from the Iraqis?”

Iraq is not like Japan. Japan had Japanese in it. Iraq is not like Germany. germany had Germans in it. Iraq was a cartographer slight of hand that threw together odds and ends of sectarian and ethnic renigades who have absolutely NOTHING in common other than they all hate each other and want to keel each other a thousand times.

Their communiques for the last ten thousand years: “I’m going to keel you, I’m going to keel you a thousand times”.

By Goldie

October 25, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

Oh, I forgot to give my impression of Lucko’s toon today — great one, Lucko! It shows how corporate advertising can use some of our most sacred icons, and no one seems to blink an eye about it anymore. Wasn’t it some credit card company that mangled the “I have a dream” speech a few years ago? And when Nike started using “Revolution” by the Beatles about 10 years ago, I thought I was gonna hurl… but then I heard that had occurred because of some of Yoko’s business smarts and she had “forgotten” to mention it to the surviving Beatles. Don’t get me started on Yoko…

By N-GA

October 25, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

Goldie & Huge,

Remember the Excels at the Moonshadow? Bill Sheffield (still playing in town) and Ricky Callahan. How about Timothy John’s? Randall & CC, RedDog?

The Atlanta music scene is just not the same. And neither are we.

By Goldie

October 25, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

Does anyone wonder why Oxycontin Limbaugh has lost about 1/2 of his listening audience during the past couple of years?

Possibly worse than making fun of someone’s disability is saying that it’s imaginary

When I started thinking that O’Reilly has to be the worstest talk-show host for getting the facts straight, ole Oxycontin steps into even deeper doo-doo. They have to be competing with each other for the going to the lowest level of decency.

By Peoples for a New Amerika' Century

October 25, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

-

RW, You are still reading way too much into what I said.

-

I said:

Really? So the troops and National Gaurd are protecting me by being over in Iraq, and not here where I actually am.

Just like the New Orleans National Gaurd were there in Iraq to save the citizens of New Orleans from drowning during the Katrina flooding.

- To Paraphrase it in context:

I said that the New Orleans (which should be Louisiana) National Gaurd were there in Iraq {instead of in the USA where they (could be called upon by the Governor) to help in the crisis after} Katrina to maybe, just maybe, save a few more lives with their equipment and resources. American lives!, from the flood waters afterwards.

But since they were in Iraq, our National Gaurd was not there for their state and it’s people when they could have been saving American lives instead of Iraqi lives. I might add the same people that pay their salaries. Not only the gaurd, but much of their equipment were in Bush’s mideast sandbox.

Where do you read anywhere in my post that I said for the National gaurd to over-ride the authority of the Governor or the Mayor?

But somehow you either can’t get that basic fact through your head or you are intentionally spinning my words to mislead people here. I suspect the latter.

Get this then!

Bush had best withdraw the troops from Iraq immedialtly should the Korean thing get out of hand, so they can rest up in preparation to be sent to teh DMZ.

The difference between Iraq and N. Korea is that NK actually has missile tech that can shoot down our planes in combat unlike Iraq. I suspect we will see a lot more flag drapped coffins in that war.

As to New Orleans, My mom lived in Baton Rouge for quite some time, and if you don’t think that I have Cajun’ friends in ‘Nawlins, that I offered my home to during Katrina, then you can kiss my crawdad.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 25, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

Liberal psychosis:

By Cindy October 25, 2006 04:05 PM Actually, we are saving NO (that is 0, zilch, nada, etc.) US lives in Iraqi. There were no suicide bombers in Iraq before March 2003.

The next pinko says:

By Blog Dawg October 25, 2006 04:17 PM Iraq was a cartographer slight of hand that threw together odds and ends of sectarian and ethnic renigades who have absolutely NOTHING in common other than they all hate each other and want to keel each other a thousand times.

One lib has them as gentle sheepherders who’s passions were aroused by the Bush monster, the next pinko calls them cut throats from way back.

Spin, spin, spin.

Steyn has the perfect analogy in his book “America Alone (I’m done, Honu!),” I don’t suspect you panty waists are about to dive into the pages, so let me recount what I’m talking about:

Steyn was able to walk, by himself, into a Fallajuh diner and eat lunch with no one bothering him. The same Fallajuh that 4 heavily armed SECURITY contractors were shot, burned and hung from a bridge. The difference in Iraqi citizen’s attitudes? Steyn went to Fallajuh right after the 2003 invasion when America was still seen as a strong horse, having just deposed of Saddam.

The Security contractors went to Fallajuh a year after the invasion, when, by that time, America was seen as a nation full of whiny a-ss, weak kneed, sissy bitc-h pinkos going on and on about Abu Ghraib, and the Iraqis figured we needed killing.

The Iraqis don’t understand mindless, feminine babbling like oddball gay finch:

They see an al Qaeda fueled Islamic jihad menace that is united in it’s resistance to the combined efforts of Iraqi PM al-Maliki, his Parliament, Army and police, and the US to bring the fruits of Democracy to Mesopotamia.

Mouths like that^^ have gotten a lot of good people killed.

These Iraqis understand the strong horse.

They kill the weak one.

By Goldie

October 25, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

N-GA— yes I do remember the XL’s… and the Heartfixers… and the Fins! Many of those musicians can still be found in various other groups, playing at the Blind Willie’s blues club and other local venues. I still miss the Great SE Music Hall the most — no place like that to even compare these days.

By Midori

October 25, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this

Andy, you ever try gargling with Draino?

By Huge

October 25, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

I saw Bill Sheffield about a year ago at the Northside Tavern. He has one of the nicest Martin guitars I have seen. He plays quite a bit with Donnie Mac, a holdover from the old days who plays percussion on a chicken crate!

Yep, the time they are a changin’…

And you’re right brother, so are we.

BTW, it’s been nice to talk about music here today. I know it’s a political blog, but sometimes I just get sick of the sh!t that I read here and need a break. Thanks!

By Ken/dra Mehlman

October 25, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

My gal Andie is quite the gargling fool…

By RW-(the original)

October 25, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this

PfaNAC,

There were certainly enough National Guard troops in New Orleans as soon as the order was given that William Jefferson (D-LA) was able to commandeer two units to rescue some personal belongings from his house. Frozen assets perhaps? So they couldn’t really have all been in Iraq leaving New Orleans in the lurch, now could they?

The fact is that nobody drowned in New Orleans because of Iraq, so you’re the one spinning. I’m floored at your unbelievably heroic act of charity though, WOW you actually said friends could stay with you for a few days????? WOW again, I’m impressed!!!

Keep your crawdad to yourself…

By Dubya

October 25, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this

More U.S. blunders in Iraq today. The drunken Chimp says, “I’m runin’ this war!” (sic). Sick.

By Thanks Rush!

October 25, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

“I don’t know where Limbaugh got the idea that telling scurrilous lies about one of America’s favorite celebrities and someone who enjoys a huge amount of public sympathy to boot was a shrewd political move. But the Dems should be damned glad he did. Rush may have just booted away Missouri’s Republican Senate seat.”

By RE

October 25, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

I am sorry Andy, I was away for a while. Did you come up with the answer to who the enemy in Iraq is that we are going to defeat? The Shia militants, the sunnis, who?

By Speak For Yourself

October 25, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

People in Missouri aren’t near as shallow as you left wing losers in Atlanta are.

By WTF?

October 25, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this

Iraqi Prime Minister Lashes Out at U.S.

Al-Maliki says his government will not bend to U.S. timelines and criticizes U.S.-Iraqi military operation in Baghdad that left at least five dead.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 25, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this

REbot: Gosh, did you think about looking up there^^.

By Buy Danish

October 25, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Please see Andy’s 4:50. In what may have been a flashback to the past, you were ROTFLing or LYAO yesterday at the very idea that the enemy pays attention to our elections and even feeds CNN propaganda videos for their media campaign.

Once again, I’m right, you’re wrong, so I guess the jokes on you - although I am not ROTFLing because the situation is far too serious to guffaw over.

Speak for Yourself,

Hopefully people in Missouri are not as gullible and easily manipulated as the marketers behind the MJ Fox ad would like to believe!

By Cindy

October 25, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! I can’t quit laughing. Those folks in Missouri think Rush is deep???? My son had him figured out when he was 11; thought he was quite funny and never knew that people took him seriously.

By Speak For Yourself

October 25, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

Sindy: You may want to go fetch your genuis son and have him figure out for you what my message at 5:55 says because you damn sure haven’t.

Danish: We didn’t need Rush to tell us what a phony message the politicians are using Michael Fox to get across.

By RE

October 25, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

Yeah, saw that. Not much of an answer though. So the Shia Militias want to kill free and innocent Sunnis, so they are the enemy. Sunni Militias kill free and innocent Shia, so they are the enemy. The Iraqi Army is apparently infiltrated with sectarian factions serving as death squads targeting civilians, so they are the enemy. The prime minister is defending Al Sadr.

So your opinion is that everyone aside from the Kurds is the enemy. Is that right?

By RE

October 25, 2006 06:32 PM | Link to this

For future reference, do not take critiques on scientific method from people who firmly believe Adam and Eve rode to church on dinosaurs.

Thanks anyway BD

By By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 25, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this

BD u sez dat cuz yooze won a dem 15 pur sent. sined andie

By Buy Danish

October 25, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Cindy,

Rush is a “deep thinker”. You on the other hand are just plain “shallow”.

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 25, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this

By RE October 25, 2006 06:30 PM So your opinion is that everyone aside from the Kurds is the enemy. Is that right?

REbot: Look, man, I know you are debased but are you sure you want to call every single solitary person in Iraq a cold blooded killer?

That none of them want to live in peace?

That’s rather foolish to say, even for you.

By Huge

October 25, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

“People in Missouri aren’t near as shallow as you left wing losers in Atlanta are.”

Shallow enough to vote in a dead guy for the US senate though!

By getalife

October 25, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

Watching NBC and the Iraqis are not saying the same thing as our President. As a matter of fact, they are disrespecting w.

They know they better work with their people or be killed for working with ours.

A very bad situation for our troops.

By Cindy

October 25, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

Ha! Ha! Ha! I really need a good laugh today after the sadness about Joe. Thank you. Rush a deep thinker??? Ha! Ha! Ha! Shows your ture mentality. Ha! Ha! Ha! I didn’t know people believed Rush of all people was a deep thinker. He’s just another entertainer. Ha! Ha! Ha! Oh, this is so funny! Hilarious! And these people vote. Oh, that is sad.

By Honu

October 25, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

Hi Andy – hope you are having a nice day. It’s a great book, isn’t it? (I know, I’m writing to you publicly, risking accusations of me being a Christian, RW’s girlfriend and you & me sitting in a tree, but I digress.)

Are you playing “Pelosipalooza” at SteynOnline? Check it out; it’s hysterical and you can win all kinds of cool Steyn stuff by guessing Election Night results. (Hi Buy Danish – you will love this, too!) I want one of the mugs :-)

By We're Gonna.....Raise......Your......Taxes!!!!

October 25, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

By Huge October 25, 2006 06:47 PM “People in Missouri aren’t near as shallow as you left wing losers in Atlanta are.” Shallow enough to vote in a dead guy for the US senate though!

It was a choice between a dead guy or a democrat.

Notice how when you include all of the information, it makes things a lot more clearer?

How can you blame them?

The same thing is gonna happen in two weeks.

By RW-(the original)

October 25, 2006 07:12 PM | Link to this

Actually the Missouri race wasn’t between a dead guy and a candidate at all. After Governor Mel Carnahan (D) was killed in a plane crash while campaigning against John Ashcroft (R) his Lt. Gov. took over duties of Governor and said that the widow and Missouri first lady Jean Carnahan would be named to the post shout Mel be elected, so when the voters went to the polls they had two living choices.

By Brian Curtis

October 26, 2006 08:16 AM | Link to this

BDanish: Looking back in the thread, I find you’re right: it was the idiotic DUSTY who insisted that Luckovich was “making fun of MLK,” not you. (For once.)

I apologize for the false accusation.

 

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