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By I Report, You Whine

October 11, 2006 06:29 AM | Link to this

Some stalker you are Georgie Girl, so easy to ditch.

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Today’s cartoon that doesn’t suck!

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The little-understood reality of this election year is that conservatives are being under-polled. If you asked me, for instance, if I am happy with the job that President Bush is doing or that the Republican Congress is doing, I would say “no.” But if you give me a good conservative to vote for, I will go out of my way to vote for him.-AmericanSpectator

Ehhehehehe.

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I argued recently that the Democrats deserve to be defeated in this fall’s elections because they contribute nothing of value to the national debate. Boy, have they proven me right with the Foley scandal. The Republicans were doing well politically when the nation was focused on national security, but their poll numbers and electoral prospects dropped as soon as the Democrats exploited the Foley story. It is a measure of what the two parties have to offer that the one does well when the public focuses on the vital issues of the day—and the other does well when the public ignores vital issues in favor of trivial scandals.-RealClearPolitics

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A Bubba tirade followed, when an answer would have worked fine. As Wallace told The Washington Post’s Howard Kurtz, the surprising thing was that he (Wallace) was the only TV interviewer among many to ask Clinton that question, even though Clinton had been complaining about an ABC miniseries that faulted his handling of bin Laden. It is amazing no one else asked. It goes to show that Fox News keeps American media fair and balanced. –RealClearPolitics

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 11, 2006 08:05 AM | Link to this

At a debate in 2004, President Bush explained that his policy against bilateral talks with North Korea would be effective in preventing them from becoming a nuclear power.

The president says, “We began a new dialogue with North Korea. One that includes, not only the United States, but now China, and China has a lot of influence over North Korea. Some ways more than we do. As well, we include South Korea, Japan and Russia. Now there are 5 voices speaking to Kim Jong Il, not just one. And so if Kim Jong Il decides again not to honor an agreement, he’s not only doing injustice to America, he’ll be doing injustice to China as well. And I think this will work. It’s not going work if we open up a dialogue with Kim Jong Il.”

In 2002, the United States released $95 million to North Korea as part of an agreement to replace its nuclear program.

“In releasing the funding, President George W Bush waived the Framework’s requirement that North Korea allow inspectors to ensure it has not hidden away any weapons-grade plutonium from the original reactors,” the BBC reported in 2002.

Bush’s Presidential determination said that the decision was “vital to the national security interests of the United States.”

The directive said that the United States was “continuing to make significant progress on eliminating the North Korean ballistic missile threat, including further missile tests and its ballistic missile exports.”

OOOPS, HE DID IT AGAIN!

By N-GA

October 11, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

Thank you mrs. Godzilla. At first I felt ambivalent about Mike’s toon. Your post allowed me to better understand his point. I can only imagine what the wingnuts will say…blame Clinton!

By Roger

October 11, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

There’s a fool here that goes by the name filthy godless liberals?

I knew these blogs had some really clueless idiots, but that it priceless!

By bon scott

October 11, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

Bush looks so good in this ‘toon. He looks like the coyote after a Road Runner attack.

By drunken Andy - October 11, 2006 06:29 AM - Some stalker you are Georgie Girl, so easy to ditch.

Weren’t you whining pathetically here just a little while ago George’s hacking? What you’re doing now?

Your and your pal Foley both approach computers and pederasy the same way.

Do as I say, not as I do. Typical ethics challenged Repugs.

By Eric

October 11, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this

First the idiot president announces that North Korea is part of the Axis of Evil. Then he invades Iraq, unprovoked. Next he refuses to talk to North Korea and Iran. It only makes sense that they would seek to develope nuclear weapons. Who wouldn’t? They’re obviously concerned that they’re next on Dubya’s list. That dumb flukker has done more to destabilize the world than anyone since Hitler.

By Political Foreskin

October 11, 2006 08:40 AM | Link to this

Those darn presidents and their cigars, eh?

I bet that’s how Clinton’s cigar looked after he used it as a marital aid on Monica, too.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, but not this time.

Luchovich is going for the funny lately. He’s using classic formulae, and making America laugh out loud, literally.

The old exploding cigar sight gag is one of the oldest, funniest gags ever. On his caricature of W, it could…go….all…the……WAY!

Are there nuclear cigars? Low tar and nicotine H-bombs?

By Political Foreskin

October 11, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

Actually, Bush is a good domestic president. It’s the world he cant quite fit in with. If only we didn’t have to worry about foreign policy. Heetler, unt his frauline Teetler was good for Germany until their foreign policy ruined everything. Mussolini, and his wife Pussolini was good for Italy, until their foreign policy spaghettied everything up.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this

Sybil Bon Finchie,

“Pederasy?” Would you like to buy a “t” or have a cup of coffee?

Or maybe this will wake you up. Exhibit A for “Democrat Values”. Warning - although this was distributed to Middle School children, and received funding from numerous “mainstream” institutions it is highly offensive. Open at your own risk.

Rushncap,

This is for you too^^^^^. These are Democrat Values - “It takes a village to indoctrinate our children through pornography.”

No wonder these Pages reciprocated in the IM messages. It’s all part of their public school education.

By SPIN!!

October 11, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

Perhaps not the most popular of prose And where it will end, no one knows. It just might be best If we left the North Korean Mess In the hands of Chairman Hu Jintao Who may follow the Tibetan Solution of Mao!

By Pretty Please With Sugar on Top

October 11, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - Hollywood may have to tone down its portrayal of the military’s screaming, in-your-face boot camp drill sergeant. In today’s Army, shouting is out and a calmer approach to molding young minds is in, says the head of Pentagon personnel. The Army says it has reduced by nearly 7 percent the number of recruits who wash out in the first six to 12 months of military life.

In other words, in order to satisfy King George’s thirst for the blood of American troops, he is reducing troop standards. DI’s under enemy fire will now have to very politely ask their units to ‘pretty please with sugar on top’ engage the enemy.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

Democrat Values Voters,

[The GOP has professed to be a party of “family values” - but when it comes to making a choice between protecting their political majority vs. protecting our children, they put our children at risk…] (http://www.democrats.org/a/communities/lgbt_community/)

Oh yeah. Democrats distribute pornography in schools,but Republicans get blamed when the kids earn an “A”.

By Shameless Republicans USE Our Troops

October 11, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - The Army is reviewing the appearance of a soldier in uniform in a political television ad by Sen. Mike DeWine (R, Ohio).

Defense Department instructions prohibit members of the armed forces from wearing their uniform while participating in partisan political activity, said department spokesman Maj. Stewart Upton.

Republicans continue to USE our troops and ignore DOD rules in order to feather their political nest. Anybody want to bet that the ‘soldier in uniform’ is really just another paid actor shilling for the Republican party ? ? ?

By w00t

October 11, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

Ok, wow… that book is pretty sick. I hope that the parents were outraged. Material like that, especially the language doesn’t belong in schools.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

Only a bunch of brain dead liberals would want to replicate a North Korea policy that was already proven to be a failure during the 1990’s.

As Secretary of State Rice said yesterday, the reason North Korea wants to deal with us bilaterally is that they have no compunction violating an agreement with us, but an agreement with China, Japan, South Korea, and Russia is a whole different ball game.

Liberalism in full flower:

Iraq: “Bush is an idiot going it alone”

North Korea: “Bush is an idiot involving others”

Iran: “We wish Bush would clearly state his policy so that we could take the other side and call him an idiot”

By Jesus

October 11, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By Lord Help Us

October 11, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

RW-(Crispy),

Actually its:

Iraq - Much more dangerous than when Bush came into office…

Iran - Much more dangerous than when Bush came into office…

North Korea - Much more dangerous than when Bush came into office…

CONGRATULATIONS! A TRIfecta on the ol’ Axis of Evil…

By Paul

October 11, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

Pretty Please With Sugar on Top at 8:50: Actually those changes in processing recruits and conduct during boot camp took place during the first Clinton Administration. As Bush was not president, it had nothing to do with him.

BTW - there were many “horror” stories in the military-related blogs during that era - substantiated in the mainstream press. One DI removed from duties when a female recruit lodged a sexual harassment complaint because, as she was wandering off from formation the DI told her to “get her a* back in formation.” Another female recruit on the firing range, didn’t safety her weapon, rounds went all over, DI screamed “what the hell are you doing?” Her complaint? “He used abusive language at me.” The DI received disciplinary action.

“Clinton’s fault?” Of course not. But it was indicative of the tenor of the administration and those politically-correct views are adopted by senior officers who want to get ahead. Which is one reason Rumsfeld skipped over the serving Army generals and asked Gen Peter Schoomaker to come out of retirement and serve as Army Chief of Staff.

By Concerned Gay GOPer

October 11, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

Will I be outed over this Foley mess? Shouldn’t most of us GOPers be very afraid??

There’s a whole bunch of us in the closet, and even more on the down low…

I shouldn’t worry - maybe my boss is one of us - he has a W sticker on his car…

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

LHU,

They were far more dangerous when we were burying our head in the sand or giving them autographed basketballs. Germany probably looked more dangerous after we started fighting them in WWII, too.

ARLBtD,

Any chance that Abramoff was billing his clients for stuff he didn’t do, or is he suddenly a paragon of virtue?

By Paul

October 11, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla at 8:05: too bad there’s another partisan view of this. Fact is, Clinton Administration’s policies didn’t work. Neither did the Bush Administration’s. “Work” in the sense of preventing acquisition of nuclear weapons.

Bilateral agreements have impact of NK reneging and only US seems impotent. That’s a good point for multilateral agreements - include Japan, China, S Korea etc. the stakes for reneging become higher. But Kim Jong Il is such a psychopath even that would likely not deter him (witness his response to China’s ‘concerns’).

Only real chance of success is for the affected parties to stand in solidarity - which is problematic. As an aside - interesting how people who were in a rage “Bush acted unilaterally and didn’t consult our allies” in Iraq (inaccurate upon examination) are among the same voices calling for unilateral (as in bilateral talks) with NK.

BTW - all the rhetoric we read here of “Bush LET NK get nukes” or “Bush DIDN’T MAKE China do - whatever” is rather silly. Amazing that leaders of the sovereign nations begin their policy meetings with the question “What will Pres Bush let us do today?”

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this

wOOt,

No kidding! This sort of stuff happens all the time.

Did you know that the California legislature approved a bill that removes the words “mom” and “dad” from school text books because the LGBT “community” finds it offensive? Waaaaaaaaaah!

[And if you don’t vote with the LGBT community you get OUTED by gay hit-men like Mike Rogers for not buying into their agenda(http://www.blogactive.com/)

Be sure to read about “The List” on the left column. You can also find out who he has already OUTED through his plan of blackmail and extortion.

I thought that Democrats biggest issue was “the Right to Privacy”.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

Queen Yahoo has finally found an evangelical Christian she finds worthy.

Ahh the hypocrisy of a belief system based on the convenience of the believer

By Lord Help Us

October 11, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

Sure, Crispy…

During the 90’s the plutonium producing sites in NK were shut down and routinely inspected by the IAEA, spent fuel assemblies were secured and routinely inspected by the IAEA.

After 2002, the plutonium sites were restarted, the spent fuel assemblies that had bee secured were harvested for plutonium and the inspectors were kicked out.

No doubt it wasn’t perfect, but I’ll take the engagement (and results) from the 90’s over the complete failure since 2002 ANY day.

WHO has their head in the sand??

By getalife

October 11, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

Clinton’s fault.

By getalife

October 11, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

Clinton’s fault

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

Sure they were LHU, by the very same people that told you that Iraq was swimming in WMD.

Gullible little donkey aren’t you?

By Seeing is Believing

October 11, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says the United States would not attack North Korea, rejecting a suggestion that Pyongyang may feel it needs nuclear weapons to stave off an Iraq-style U.S. invasion.

Rice said that President Bush has told the North Koreans that “there is no intention to invade or attack them. So they have that guarantee. … I don’t know what more they want.”

North Korea HEARS what King George says but they SEE what he does (IRAQ). Seeing is believing ! ! !

Ask yourself, would YOU believe the ‘mission accomplished’, ‘WMD’, ‘insurrgents last throes’, ‘liar in chief’ if YOU were North Korea ? ? ?

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

Democrat Values Voters,

The indoctrination continues here

What parents get arrested for in the indoctrination village, err, schools.

How about Abortion 101 for Fourth Graders?

Conservatives who oppose this stuff^^ are routinely labeled sexually repressed, Christo-fascist, Homophobes.

Here’s the link I screwed up to Mike Rogers, Gay Hit Man

By Paul

October 11, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

Lord Help Us at 9:48 - When examining NK it helps to take a longer view: This cut and paste from the Financial Times: Feb 1993: International Atomic Energy Agency requests inspection of two nuclear waste storage sites, citing evidence that North Korea has been cheating on its nuclear non-proliferation treaty commitments. North Korea refuses.

Mar 1993:: North Korea announces intention to withdraw from the NPT, but later relents.

Jun 1994:: Former US president Jimmy Carter negotiates a deal with North Korea to freeze its nuclear arms programme.

Oct 1994:: US and North Korea sign Agreed Framework, committing Pyongyang to freeze and eventually end weapons development and allow IAEA inspections. In return, North Korea would receive international aid including two light-water reactors and annual heavy fuel oil shipments.

Aug 1998:: North Korea test fires its 2,000 km-range Taepodong-1 missile over Japan. Work continues on the 6,000km-range Taepodong-2 missile capable of reaching the US.

Dec 1999:: An international consortium signs a $4.6bn US contract to build two light water nuclear power plants in North Korea.

Jan 2002:: President Bush describes North Korea as part of an ‘axis of evil’ in State of the Union address.

Oct 2002:: James Kelly, US assistant secretary of state, visits Pyongyang and secures an admission that North Korea has an active programme enriching uranium to weapons grade, contravening the Agreed Framework.

Nov 2002:: United States and 13 states belonging to the Korean Peninsula Energy Development Organisation meet in New York and decide to cut off heavy fuel oil shipments to Pyongyang.

Dec 2002:: North Korea says it plans to restart its Yongbyon reactor shut under 1994 deal, disables IAEA surveillance devices at Yongbyon and expels IAEA inspectors.

Jan 2003:: North Korea quits the NPT and from IAEA.org

Dr. Yousry Abushady, IAEA Unit Head responsible for safeguards implementation in the DPRK, was the Agency’s key contact point for its inspectors in Nyongbyon. He recounted what happened when North Korean authorities took steps to reopen a sealed plutonium reprocessing plant, cutting the metal seals and disrupting surveillance equipment.

“The inspectors were asked to leave the country immediately,” he recalled. “But first our inspectors witnessed our surveillance equipment being turned off and our seals removed. The DP

By getalife

October 11, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

W to hold press conference to blame Clinton.

By rushncap

October 11, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

So in your opinion, RW, is Bush responsible for ANYTHING that happens during his presidency, or is every failure for the past 6 years (and boy is there a boatload) Clinton’s fault?

By Paul

October 11, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

My 10:03 dropped the last paragraph - along the lines of

NK “played” both administrations. They received hundreds of millions of dollars in aid, never wavering from their goal of acquiring nuclear weapons. Whoever occupied the White House was irrelevant - it simply meant a change in tactics by NK.

By Lord Help Us

October 11, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

Crispy, Man, YOU GOT Nuthin…’

The IAEA did the inspections in the 90’s.

Remember the IAEA, the ones that doubted the existence of WMD in Iraq, determined the infamous Aluminum tubes were NOT appropriate for uranium enrichment, easily determined the Niger documents related to Hussein’s alleged procurement of uranium ore were forged, etc.

These were not the ‘same people that told you Iraq was swimming in WMD.’ THAT was primarily the Bush admin…

You Know, the ones with ZERO credibility!

You are so, so uneducated…

By Midori

October 11, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Getalife: the George W. Bush memorial

:)

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

rushncap,

Yes he is, but he isn’t responsible for creating the problems that he is trying to fix. For what it’s worth Clinton isn’t responsible for creating most of these situations either. His blame is in kicking all the problems down the road instead of risking his precious legacy by trying to confront these festering trouble spots.

We can never again take eight years off and expect to survive as a country.

By Paul

October 11, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

Lord Help Us at 10:10: you’re not seriously going to continue with the line the Bush Admin was only one to allege WMD in Iraq? Thought that horse was beat to death. Plenty of references here to Clinton admin and world leaders alleging WMDs, also Hussein’s own generals in debriefs after war - they’d deployed Iraqi troops with gas masks in preparation of use.

But - for the timeline - from NPR.org (not Bush apologists) check the date at the end and ask “who ordered airstrikes to destroy Iraqi WMDs and prevent further production?” Hint: the year was 1998 -

Israel Attacks ::: June 7, 1981 Israeli warplanes make a surprise attack on the French-built Osirak nuclear reactor near Baghdad. Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin says that his country had to act before Iraq could successfully build a nuclear weapon to use against the Jewish state. Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi government says the reactor was not part of a plan to build nuclear weapons.

Chemical Attacks on Iran ::: 1983 Media reports describe Iraqi use of chemical weapons against Iranian forces. Mustard gas is the first weapon used. In 1984 reports say Iraq uses the nerve agent Tabun.

Gassing the Kurds ::: March 1988 Iraq uses chemical weapons against its own population during an attack on the rebellious Kurdish city of Halabja.

Invading Kuwait ::: Aug. 2, 1990 Iraq invades Kuwait, easily overwhelming its tiny neighbor.

Resolution 687 Bans Iraq WMD ::: April 3, 1991 Shortly after Iraq is ejected from Kuwait by an international military coalition, the United Nations Security Council passes its first resolution addressing Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) in Iraq. Resolution 687 states that Iraq must destroy its presumed stockpile of WMD, and the means to produce them. It also limits the country’s ballistic missile capability. The U.N. Special Commission (UNSCOM) is established to oversee the inspection, destruction and monitoring of chemical and biological weapons. The International Atomic Energy Agency is asked to document and destroy Iraqi efforts to develop nuclear weapons. Iraq accepts the resolution three days later, agreeing to disclose the extent of its WMD program to inspectors.

Unilateral Destruction ::: Summer 1991 Iraq unilaterally destroys WMD equipment and documentation in an effort at concealment of pre-war work.

Resolution 715 Demands Compliance ::: Oct. 11, 1991 Responding to I

By rushncap

October 11, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

Oh yes, RW, Bush has done a bang-up job confronting problem situations. He has done so much to diffuse the North Korea situation. I mean, just a few years ago he included them in his “Axis of Evul”! If that does not solve the problem, I don’t know what could. And that terrible threat of Saddam’s WMD arsenal? He solved it so thoroughly we can’t even find a trace of them any more. Now THAT’s what I call action. And don’t get me started on that threat of global Islamic terrorism. Why, they all love us now!

And RW, this country is pretty resilient. We’ve weathered 6 years of Bush actively trying to dismantle much of it, and are still doing OK. I’m quite impressed how much abuse America has been able to take over the past 6 years without completely folding.

By Paul

October 11, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

too long, cut off, here’s the citation: ‘Defensive’ Biological Weapons ::: May 1992 Iraq officially admits to having had a “defensive” biological weapons program. Weeks later, UNSCOM begins the destruction of Iraq’s chemical weapons program. Progress is halted in July when Iraq refuses an inspection team access to the Ministry of Agriculture.

Denial and Acceptance ::: 1993 Inspections are again held up when Iraq attempts to deny UNSCOM and the IAEA the use of their own aircraft in Iraq. In late 1993 Iraq accepts resolution 715.

Nuclear, Chemical Weapons Programs Destroyed ::: 1994 UNSCOM completes the destruction of Iraq’s known chemical weapons and production equipment. IAEA teams largely complete their mandate to neutralize Iraq’s nuclear program, including the destruction of facilities Iraq had not even declared to inspectors.

Defection and Revelation ::: Aug. 8, 1995 Hussein Kamel, the former director of Iraq’s Military Industrialization Corporation, responsible for all WMD programs, defects to Jordan. As a result, Iraq admits to a far more developed biological weapons programs than it had previously disclosed. Saddam Hussein’s government also hands over documents related to its nuclear weapons program and admits to the attempted recovery of highly-enriched uranium.

Al-Hakam Destroyed ::: May 1996 Iraq’s main facility for the production of biological weapons, Al-Hakam, is destroyed through explosive demolition supervised by UNSCOM inspectors.

The Fight Against Proliferation ::: 1997 The Additional Protocol is added to the global Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), giving IAEA inspectors more authority to investigate programs in member states. The protocol is in response to the realization that Iraq — a NPT signatory — had been able to move swiftly and covertly toward the construction of a nuclear weapon in the late 1980s under the treaty’s previous safeguards. Inspections in the 1990s revealed that Iraq was much closer to building a nuclear weapon in the 1980s than had been suspected by IAEA officials.

Resolution 1115 ::: June 1997 In another effort to end Iraq’s interference with inspection teams, the U.N. Security Council passes Resolution 1115. The resolution again calls for Iraq to comply with all previous resolutions regarding WMD. By the end of 1997, a diplomatic stalemate forces UNSCOM to withdraw

By Paul

October 11, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

Finally for the missing paragraph. Long, I know, but let’s stop the nonsense that only Bush Admin thought Iraq had WMDs.

Memorandum of Understanding ::: Feb. 20-23, 1998 U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan visits Iraq in an effort secure inspections of what Iraq terms “presidential sites.” The U.N. and Iraq agree to support the terms of the newly drafted “Memorandum of Understanding.” The Memorandum secures UNSCOM access to eight previously off-limits presidential sites.

Operation Desert Fox ::: 1998 Cooperation ends between Iraq and inspectors when the country demands the lifting of the U.N. oil embargo. UNSCOM and the IAEA pull their staffs out of Iraq in anticipation of a US-led air raid on Iraqi military targets. The four-day military offensive known as Operation Desert Fox begins on December 16, 1998. According to a U.S. military Web site, the mission of Desert Fox was “to strike military and security targets in Iraq that contribute to Iraq’s ability to produce, store, maintain and deliver weapons of mass destruction.” The operation is considered a success, largely finishing off what was left of Iraq’ s WMD infrastructure.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

A sure sign that you have kicked rushncap’s a-ss with your link this morning is his petty sniping at me.

Good job!

Paul,

You’re providing good information, but can’t you please just leave a link.

By rushncap

October 11, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

Paul, notice how while people thought that Saddam may have some WMD programs, no one decided to invade. If you suspect that maybe, possibly, your neighbor had a hand in an armed robbery, you wait and gather evidence until you’re sure. You don’t bust into his house and shoot him in the face. Want to explain to us why we don’t invade every country that violates a U.N. resolution at some point? And want to explain to us when you actually started caring about what the U.N. says anyways?

By RE

October 11, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

I love the RW philosophy…Every problem the US get into under the Bush administration is actually Clinton’s fault, not because we had a problem during the Clinton years, but because Clinton kicked the problem down the road.

War with Iraq….Clinton ignored the problem, Bush did something about it.

N Korea Nukes…..Clinton ignored the problem, Bush did somthing about it…Still not sure how having them test a nuke is a victory for the US, but somehow, Bush showed strength in…ok, I cannot even make anything up here. But it is Clintons fault that Bush didn’t do anything right.

Iran….Clinton ignored the problem, with expanding dialogue and peaceful moves toward opening up Iran. Luckilly Bush called them evil, which really helped….well it didn’t help anything really. It actually drove them further into isolation.

You know, I cannot think of one place on Earth safer today than it was before Bush took office.

By Lord Help Us

October 11, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

Paul,

I DO appreciate the factual posts.

There were others in the ‘Iraq has WMD’ camp, no doubt. However, when I see the presentation Powell did in front of the UN Security council and, years later, find out how much exculpatory intelligence was ignored…I can’t help but conclude that the intelligence that got ignored was because it did not fit the agenda.

In other words, the war was ‘sold.’

Instead of acquiescing to Saddam’s intransigence, a continuation/escalation of inspections (Clinton’s approach) would have confirmed this fact. These further inspections could have been backed with tactical military operations.

In other words Clinton’s approach, in hindsight, WORKED!

By Truthman

October 11, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

Hey Sonny!

I’m so glad things are going so well in our state that the only problem you think Georgians have is that doggone AJC and it’s obvious bias against your beloved Bulldogs.

Look, dummy! I went to UGA. We did get “put in our place!”

Why don’t you worry more about the environment and alternative modes of transportation in the metro area?

Why don’t you worry more about the families of Soldiers sent off to conduct an illegal war by your buddy, Dubya?

Why don’t you raise the minimum wage statewide and sell your ill-gotten property near Disneyworld?

Georgia has a lot more problems than a headline that you didn’t like!!

Signed, - The Big Guy

By Paul

October 11, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

Excellent suggestion, RW. Didn’t seem that long when I read the article - sure did in these narrow columns.

By Joel

October 11, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

WARNING: Andy’s link could have viruses!!!

I feel an obligation to warn bloggers NOT to click on any commenter’s links because I did once and my computer shut down and froze and some weird screen saver appeared.

Not funny, Andy. I just spent $1500 upgrading.

DO NOT CLICK ON ANDY’S LINKS.

ANDY IS THE GUY WHO WRITES, “CUT” between his manifesto style uniblogging rants of incoherent blither blah poodle poo.

Not funny, Andy, and I might subpoena the AJC to provide your name and address so that my lawyer can make you understand how free speech liabilities work in civil court.

By RW unplugged........ew

October 11, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

Dont read RW’s posts, they are provided by a sleeper cell friendly traitor who should be behind bars.

He uses phrases that appear on CIA word screens and divert attention from real sleeper cells. He does this because he hates American freedom more than AL Queda does.

RW hates liberty. Lib is short for liberty.

By I Don't Have A Brain So I Blame EVERYTHING FROM YAHOO On Bush

October 11, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

SINGAPORE - Singapore’s government said it plans to cover most of the island with public wireless Internet access by next year and offer nearly 10,000 subsidized computers to low-income students to offer digital opportunities to all its citizens.

Because King George won’t empty the United States treasury out to poor people, Singapore has to BUY it’s own people computer’s! ! ! If a pinko democrat was in office the whole world would have it’s own computer! ! !

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

RE,

How about the United States? Last time I checked a lot less planes are being flown into our skyscrapers.

Paul,

That’s the problem, a simple paragraph in an article you’re reading looks like a manifesto in this setup.

By I Don't Have A Brain So I Blame EVERYTHING FROM YAHOO On Bush

October 11, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

SPRING LAKE, N.C. - They winced while their blood was drawn and fidgeted as the blood pressure cuff tightened. But the sixth-graders were excited about becoming test subjects in a nationwide diabetes study, if only to score the $50 gift card being offered.

King George stabbing schoolchildren in the arm and stealing their blood! ! ! They’ll never be the same again! ! ! And the scar, oh, the scar! ! !

By The AJC Is A Filthy Virus

October 11, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

By Joel October 11, 2006 10:51 AM Not funny, Andy, and I might subpoena the AJC to provide your name and address so that my lawyer can make you understand how free speech liabilities work in civil court.

Take your new computer and stick it up your as-s.

You should probably lube it up first.

Just because you are too stupid to install a virus software program, does not a court case make.

By RE

October 11, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

Actually, the only time planes were flown into buildings was when he was president

By getalife

October 11, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

Way to go Andy.

Virus spreader.

By Paul

October 11, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

rushncap at 10:46 Lord Help Us at 10:48

LHU - another important point is, if a hostile, expansionsist government portrays itself as having a capability and blocks international agencies, the Law of Unintended Consequences might just kick in.

My view - basis of which would take far too long to discuss here - is that current administration was committed to changing the governmental setup in the Middle East - variety of reasons - dilute base of jihadists (who also - read bin Laden’s writings or transcripts of interviews) who wanted to topple the regimes - provide long-term stability which would serve America’s long-term strategic interests. Vehicle to get this started was change gov’t in Iraq - obviously didn’t work as hoped. WMD provided rationale - not saying administration didn’t believe they weren’t there - I think they did - but it did provide a rationale.

rushncap - the reason we “don’t invade every country” is not every country represents a US strategic interest. Would we care if Paraguay invaded Bolivia? No. Would we intervene if Equatiorial Guinea invaded Gabon? Hardly. Do I care what the UN says? Only if it serves US interests. US could do a better job of pointing out shortcomings, as Ambassador Bolton has done. Just look at the makeup of the countries - the type of governments, dictatorships and monarchies they are - then look at how countries put their economic self interest first (France, Russia selling arms to Iran during the embargo - Capitalism before Conscience, Profits before Principle) and you get an idea of what to expect.

By I See That Finch/ bon scott Is Here

October 11, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

By RW unplugged……..ew October 11, 2006 10:54 AM Dont read RW’s posts, they are provided by a sleeper cell friendly traitor who should be behind bars

Henceforth known as the Name Jacker Off.

By Midori

October 11, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

FWIW: Bush is on tv, lying again.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

RE,

And since then we have taken action and become a much safer place. Oh there have been setbacks along the way, like when Harry Reid announced breathlessly to a cheering throng of moonbats that he had killed the Patriot Act, but sanity prevailed and Republicans shot down his little terrorist appeasing wet dream.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

RW,

Thanks! I have more!

Awww, isn’t this cute! It’s an ad that is linked to the Gay HitMan’s home page, providing him a revenue source for his witch hunt. Isn’t it clever the way the Left erect candy mountains to make unpalatable ideas sound enticing.

Note the “glbt” at the end of the URL. Presumably Rosie knows where her foundation’s ad dollars are going, or maybe it is the fault of one of her interns.

More to come for Democrat Values Voters…

By rushncap

October 11, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

Good point, Paul. Let’s f%$k over the rest of the world if we can make a quick buck within the next couple of weeks. No, there are absolutely no drawbacks to that brilliant strategy.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

Andy,

As lame as that was it’s more creative than Sybil bon finchie is capable of.

By w00t

October 11, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

Paul, ok, so long as it’s a “strategic interest” ie: oil, then its ok to go and blow them to hell and back. Well that does make a lot of since, as Iraq is said to have the world’s second largest oil reserve in the world.

Oh, by the way, we sold weapons and dual use technology to both Iran and Iraq during their war. We decided later to sell to Iraq because we didn’t want the fundamentalist in Iran from spreading. So, the US is no better than your list of countries.

Like I’ve said before, we knew Iraq had WMD’s because we had the receipts to prove it.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

Paul,

As you can probably see from that brilliant response at 11:16, you have to pare down your posts even further when discussing things with rushncap. His reading comprehension skills barely go beyond “See Spot run” so there is no way he can figure out that you were talking about France and his beloved mother land going for the quick buck.

By Paul

October 11, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

rushncap: your questions were “Want to explain to us why we don’t invade every country that violates a U.N. resolution at some point? And want to explain to us when you actually started caring about what the U.N. says anyways?”

I thought I answered that. I do not understand your response. Is Iraq a debacle? Sure. Do we have vital national interests in the Middle East? Yes (thanks to administrations going back to Carter - and Congresses - not developing alternate energy policies). I am not persuaded by the “lets deploy military forces to make profits for US corporations” crowd. That is different than the military-Congressional-industrial grouping, though - which is a major reason why we haven’t the weapons and supplies appropriate for the job.

By Ummm, ummm, good Guest Workers

October 11, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - California lettuce recalled over E. coli fears tested negative for a sometimes deadly strain of the bacteria, company officials said Tuesday.

Looks like King George’s ‘guest workers’ have switched brands of toilet paper. So what is their new favorite brand….strawberry, orange, kale, corn, cabbage? I hear that the cucumber and carrot workers wipe INside as well as OUT ! ! !

By Bob Barr

October 11, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

Watching the gop leadership scramble around last week was not just painful. It was excruciating and embarrassing.

…a leadership so utterly devoid of, well, keadership reminded me just how far this majority had sunk…

The gop’s slide…has been neither sudden nor pretty.

The gop leadership moved quietly, even comfortably, from a holding pattern to one of subservience; leaving it to the new repub pres and his team to set the congressional agenda.

Unfortunately with the morass in Iraq…the gop leadership went completely adrift as the White House became fixated on Iraq.

It is perhaps a realization that after 12 years in power, but lacking any vision, the gop has itself become the status quo. Such a realization cannot help but make one feel depressed.

By rushncap

October 11, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

RW, Paul and I are having an adult discussion (so far). This is way over your head. Go play in the sandbox with li’l andy. That’s a little more your level.

By I See That Finch/ bon scott Is Here

October 11, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

By RW-(the original) October 11, 2006 11:20 AM Andy, As lame as that was it’s more creative than Sybil bon finchie is capable of.

He was worn out from typing in his trademark threat upon my person at 10:51.

It won’t be long before he totally flips out and starts menacing every one’s family.

I’m afraid for the blog, how much more can they restrict it because of him?

The good news is that I figure 3 or 4 weeks and he’ll be institutionalized again, so it’ll get him out of our lives for a few peaceful months.

By Paul

October 11, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

w00t: never said it’s okay. Merely said US gets involved where it has an interest. The effectiveness of that involvement varies from situation to situation. What I implies, what I thought was obvious, was that we did not strike Saudi Arabia, Iran, because they are major oil suppliers - Iraq was not.

Of course we sold them weapons. Alliances are made and change all the time. Interests change. The US has the largest foreign military sales program - also check Russia, China, France, Germany.

I do disagree with your point “the US is no better than… (other) countries” - but that strikes me as a bit of sloganeering. Always amazed me how governments that criticize the US as “no better than or worse” have a citizenry clamoring to get here.

By Lord Help Us

October 11, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

Paul,

History now shows that the threat posed by Hussein was emasculated during the Clinton Administration. Even if he was ‘hostile and expansionist’ he would not have been able to be of any threat to his neighbors while the inspections were in place and the no-fly zone was enforced. Try again…

History also shows that NK and Iran have both become much more dangerous since Bush took office. Do you call that a success?

Unfortunately, it is Bush who (as the Crispy one says) will be ‘kicking some MAJOR problems down the road.’

It’s The Competence, STUPID!!

By rushncap

October 11, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

Paul, I apologize. You were stating a fact (foreign policy motivated by very narrow-minded and short-sighted economic self-interest), rather than stating an opinion on whether that is the right approach. I agree, that is basically the way it works. What I’m saying is that it sucks that it works that way, because it hurts America in the long run, and hurts the rest of the world as well.

By I Don't Have A Brain So I Blame EVERYTHING FROM YAHOO On Bush

October 11, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

TORONTO (Reuters) - An animal rights group called Tuesday for a North American theme park operator to cancel a competition in which people will try to break the world cockroach-eating record.

Bush making people eat cockroach’s because he won’t give them food! ! ! And making the cockroaches suffer too! ! ! I thought hunger was in it’s last throes! ! !

By King George Caves In To North Korea

October 11, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - President Bush called Wednesday for stiff sanctions on North Korea for its reported nuclear test and asserted that the United States has “no intentions of attacking” the reclusive regime.

In other words, King George stuck his dick in Iraq and can’t pull it out for years and years so he can’t do jack about the real nuclear threat in North Korea now. Republicans sold-out the TRUE safety of America in order to line their pockets with a fortune in war-bucks for themselves and their fat cat buddies in the big business/big government sectors ! ! !

By Paul

October 11, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Lord Help Us: Did you hear me justify the invasion or give my interpretation why the administration selected Iran?

Re: NK and Iran becoming more dangerous since Bush took office: are you asserting that as causative (Bush made them more dangerous) negligent (Bush didn’t “do” anything) or merely associative (NK Iran would have become more dangerous regardless of who occupied the White House)?

Every President leaves problems for their successor.

rushncap: You have a very good point. But theory aside and political reality in the fore: look at Bush’s poll numbers during the gasoline price rises (not to mention the “Bush caused it talk”). Imagine the political fallout that would occur to a politician who proposed policies that would, long-term, greatly reduce America’s need for Middle East oil if he also stated that, short-term, it would cost more for every American (no cost shifting to three percent of households). I think it would be political suicide. So that’s why it sucks.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

At least I got you back on track rushncap, I’ll just accept your 11:39 comment as a thank you.

LHU,

Does this history book you’re reading include the part about NK’s missile test dropping into the water after barely getting off the ground or their fizzled “nuclear” test? Seems to me like Lil’ Kim shows how much less dangerous he is every time he pulls one of these stunts.

The only real danger he poses is to Seoul and that hasn’t changed one iota.

By rushncap

October 11, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

You have quite a fascination with teen sex, Danish. Wonder why…

By Huge

October 11, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

From John Tierney’s article in today’s AJC:

“Early in the war, Americans told pollsters they favored it and considered it a major part of the war on terrorism. Then they decided the war was a mistake and didn’t reduce the risk of terrorism.”

“The Republicans have become Wilsonian idelaists in foreign policy, the neocons abroad who thought they could easily transform the Middle East.”

I’ll never figure out if it was merely myopia or just plain old-fashioned naivety. At any rate, only the most blind and stupidly stubborn represent the core of those who still feel the war is a grand idea and in it’s last throes…

By I Don't Have A Brain So I Blame EVERYTHING FROM YAHOO On Bush

October 11, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

By Yahoo Spammer October 11, 2006 11:45 AM WASHINGTON - President Bush called Wednesday for stiff sanctions on North Korea for its reported nuclear test and asserted that the United States has “no intentions of attacking” the reclusive regime.

One of rushncrap’s fellow scholars is scolding Republicans for NOT attacking North Korea.

Huh.

Is it because they have all become war mongering Christians now or because they ——->don’t have a brain?<———

By bon scott

October 11, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

So in addition to spam and namejacking, drunken Andy of a thousand names is a virus spreader too? Figures.

Monkeyshines and Granny continue to fail in attempts to link fringe elements with mainstream Democrats. Sorry, won’t work. Attempts to link Tim McVeigh and Eric Rudolph with the Repukes would be just as silly.

But the question isn’t so much why gays work for the GOP. It’s why the GOP lets them, when their “choice” is viewed as such an abomination. This is what voters are asking eachother.

The Republican leadership has always been remarkably tolerant of homosexuality in private, despite its public exploitation of voters’ fears on issues such as gay marriage to mobilise its base support during elections. Even Senator Santorum, who once compared gay sex to bestiality, incest and polygamy, employs the openly gay Robert Traynham as his communications director.

It’s this “do as I say, not as I do” attitude (very much like drunken Andy and off-hours spamming) that rocks the Republican voter.

And have you ever considered that the GOP’s public condemnation of anything gay, and the fervor with which the GOP faithful embrace this bias is the main reason gays stay in the closet?

There wouldn’t be this FEAR of outings if Repugs hadn’t convinced 100+ million Americans that gays are Godless perverts who lust after their children.

That’s what they are, right Andy? Granny?? Monkeyshines?

By Lord Help Us

October 11, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

Crispy,

Your 11:51 indicates NK is not a threat…So, what exactly is it you are blaming on Clinton again?

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

More “adult” conversation from rushncap:

By rushncap October 11, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this You have quite a fascination with teen sex, Danish. Wonder why

This after rushncap brought up the whole topic of how morally superior he claims Democrats are.

Just can’t stand seeing the truth come out, can you rushncap?

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

LHU,

I just read over my 11:51 and don’t see Billy Jeff’s name in there anywhere.

By Midori

October 11, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

she does seem rather, um, fixated on teen sex, doesn’t she?

By Lord Help Us

October 11, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

Crispy, such a naughty little obfuscator…

I believe I can point to a number of references from you blaming Clinton for the NK problems (that your 11:51 says are nothing to worry about…)

If I’m right, you leave the site for the rest of the day…If you’re right, I’ll take the day off myself.

What say you?

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

LHU,

Depends on what is is. I blame Clinton for being an idiot that trusted Lil’ Kim to do what he said he he would do. I didn’t say the gargoyle had been successful.

Besides, you clown libs just grab a new name and stay anyway.

By Hypocritical hysterical Midori the parrot October 11, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this Rushncap, she does seem rather, um, fixated on teen sex, doesn’t she?

That’s the same hysterical Midori that has been pounding teen sex 24/7 for nearly two freaking weeks.

By Midori

October 11, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

Midori has been “pounding” the hypocrisy of the Republican party and Mark Foley, not teen sex.

Interesting choice of word: “pounding”

Must be the sound going off in his head.

I also find it “ironic” that a cheerleading maggot should call someone a “hysterical parrot” when someone (read: me) states the obvious.

Unlike the cheerleading maggot, who dons his pom poms and cheerleads his ignorant cohorts when they spread ignorance and outright lies.

Or perhaps he just has a pirate fixation? Pirates have been known to bury treasure, just like the cheerleading maggot likes to bury his head up his rear end.

By Midori

October 11, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

LHU - he’ll never take you up on it. He’s too much of a lilly livered coward. See how he’s trying to slime out of it?

WAAHHH!!! You’ll just change your name and post anyway!! WAAAHHHH!!!!!!

No wonder he likes to attack me all the time. He butts in to attack me when I respond to others. He’s not man enough to deal with other men.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

RW,

Yep. Wasn’t it Midori the Parrot who gave us the text to the salacious IMs for us? Didn’t she say something to the effect of “You have your blue dress, we have Foley”?

By getalife

October 11, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

Damn, bi-granny.

Pervert.

Yep, it is all Clintons fault but when w is gone, it will all be his fault.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Danish has been pounding the hypocrisy of the Democratic Party whose members advocate teaching this stuff to our kids in schools.

The Pages got an “A”. Democrat Values Voters were in charge of the curriculum.

P.S.

What LIES? Are you rushncap’s conjoined twin?

By Midori

October 11, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

a little shout out to Republican Values Voters

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I’m sure she just copied it from someone at Democratic Underground, but yes she did post those statements.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Has George Bush and the Republican Party been advocating that this stuff be taught in our schools?

Do I need to remind you of Jocelyn Elders??

If you find it disgusting, you know how to get ahold of Howie and ask him to “Stand up and fight for our children”.

By Midori

October 11, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish, let me repeat: Midori has been “pounding” the hypocrisy of the Republican party and Mark Foley, not teen sex.

Now go stir your cauldron.

By Midori

October 11, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

And copying and pasting from Bozell the Bozo at Newsbusters makes the cheerleading maggot somehow, er, credible?

By Thomas

October 11, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

Paul —

Here is the issue concerning Bush and NK.

North Korea had a full working Breeder (Heavy Water) Reactor producing their electricty, and the obvious by-products of weapon grade fisisonable materials being produced by that reactor.

Clinton had averted a direct crisis (and potential war in Korea that would involve our massed troops on the DMZ). On the table were options of airstrikes on the Pyongyang (Heavy Water) Breeder Reactor. This reactor quite capable of producing massive amounts of Plutonium. Clinton was about to order airstrikes on this reactor when there was a last minute deal to let Jimmy Carter talk with the (then) leader of NK about options. Carter came back with an agreement that would shut down the Breeder Reactor and therefore avert a new Korean war. This agreement included the USA supplying 2 light water reactors and supplying the country with oil (for power production) until the reactors were up and running.

(as your post)

Dec 1999:: An international consortium signs a $4.6bn US contract to build two light water nuclear power plants in North Korea.

Jan 2002:: President Bush describes North Korea as part of an ‘axis of evil’ in State of the Union address.

Oct 2002:: James Kelly, US assistant secretary of state, visits Pyongyang and secures an admission that North Korea has an active programme enriching uranium to weapons grade, contravening the Agreed Framework.

Nov 2002:: United States and 13 states belonging to the Korean Peninsula Energy Development Organisation meet in New York and decide to cut off heavy fuel oil shipments to Pyongyang.

Dec 2002:: North Korea says it plans to restart its Yongbyon reactor shut under 1994 deal, disables IAEA surveillance devices at Yongbyon and expels IAEA inspectors.

Jan 2003:: North Korea quits the NPT and from IAEA.org

-=cut=-

(Continued below)

By Thomas

October 11, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

(Continued from above)

After finding the North Koreans were still researching uranium enrichment, Bush decided to cut off their oil supply which at that time was producing the countrys power. North Korea had their Heavy water (breeder) reactor shut down at this time and it’s fuel rods sealed by the UN. Note that what the Bush team found was that NK had centrifuges, and they were studying the process of enriching Uranium, but they did not have access to usable quantitys of fissionable materials to actually produce any usable quantity of bomb grade material. The fuel rods were secured under IAEA Inspection and 24 hour cameras linked directly to UN for security as part of the earlier agreements.

Bush over-reacted to the news of their research and cut off their oil supply right before winter in North Korea (Winters are quite harsh there). Yes their research was in violation of the Terms of the agreement, but instead of a diplomatic approach to this news the USA took a stance of no compromise (which completely ended the agreements)

The NK’s sent diplomats to the USA and they went to former Clinton era senators in hopes of restoring the original plans and agreements, but because they went to Democratic senators to discuss options instead of Bush, he rejected all offers for any compromise with NK. After that (as winter started), NK first threatened to start the reactors. When the threats got no response from the Bush administration, they made good on their threats, and broke the UN seals, then kicked out the IAEA inspectors.

Afterwards they decided to withdraw from all agreements (including Non-Proliferation)yet again. afterwards we were right back to the situation of NK developing Nukes prior to the Clinton/Carter negotiations.

(cont below)

By Midori

October 11, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

So, Bi Danish, the deluded witch joins up with a cheerleading, moronic maggot to try to tag team me.

You scumbags aren’t going to rub off on me, thank you very much.

Keep your knee jerking and stupid, unfunny zingers to yourself. Or better yet, use them on Andy.

Re the 12:46: Bi Danish, Dusty, it’s all the same. You all are a bunch of brain dead witches.

By Thomas

October 11, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

(Cont Part 3) Bush aggravated this situation and totally destroyed all chances of any diplomacy with North Korea concerning their WMD programs.

I’m sorry, but having some diplomacy and the ability to influence the direction a country takes against us is far far better than having No influence at all.!

Now they have all the fissionable material they want and they have a very active Breeder Reactor to produce a lot more.

In the future any un-announced missile test they do will have to be assumed to have a potential of being nuclear armed. The surounding countrys (such as Japan) will have to be armed with anti-missiles, and the arms race will explode in the area. This could very well be the begininings of a brand new war on the Korean Peninsula.

We have stepped backwards here, not forwards under Bush.

Thomas

By getalife

October 11, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

Already have bi-granny.

Too bad the fake Christians think it is okay.

Pervert enablers.

By Midori

October 11, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

It’s amusing to see RW sleazing away from LHU’s challenge.

He’s all over the map now — anything to not address LHU.

RW want a cracker?

Come on, shake a tail feather!!!

By Lord Help Us

October 11, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

Everybody relax…Move along, nothin’ ta see hear.

RW-(Crispy) says NK is not a threat anyway (but it’s still Clinton’s fault), so this is all a tempest in a teapot.

Whew, glad that’s over…

(reminds me of several days ago when he said we won the Iraq war in ‘record time…’ And, remember the other day he said that the existence of homosexuals disproves Darwinism…)

Thanks Crispy, glad you’re hear to clear up these issues for us…

Check out the brain on Crispy! (with apologies to Samuel L. Jackson…)

By Midori

October 11, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

Funny thing, Republican logic: Foley can abuse and chase teen age boys as long as he wants. Just don’t let the Democrats tell anyone about it.

Now we see how it all works.

By Midori

October 11, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

You won’t answer/address you, LHU.

He’ll just jump into my conversations with others to try to deflect.

He’s not man enough to take you on.

See how he keeps falling back on the “parrot” theme? Chickenhawks and chickens have poultry on the brain.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

LHU,

Darwin’s theory of evolution through a fiercely aggressive system of natural selection would have rendered homosexuality nearly non-existent by now.

We DID win the war AGAINST Iraq in record time.

NEWS ALERT:

Get ready for the moonbats to blow their stacks. Adam Gadahn is being charged with treason.

By @@

October 11, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

Good grief ml!!! I don’t know whether China, Russia, South Korea or Japan should put a lid on your boiling pot or North Korea’s.

I choose the Bush strategy, intended or not?

No “offensive” ml, you’re just not that significant in “the little picture.”

By Lord Help Us

October 11, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

RW-(Crispy),

Thanks, I’ll sleep a lot better tonight knowing the war in Iraq is over, NK is not a threat and that my great, great, great, great, etc. grandpappy wasn’t an ape…

By Midori

October 11, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

Why should anyone blow his or her stack over someone being charged with treason?

You wingnuts have charged everyone who dares tell the truth about you or pointed out the obvious with treason.

Duh.

Same day, same lunacy.

By Midori

October 11, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

another shout out to the Republican Values Voters

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

By Sybil Bon Finchie Freak at 11:59 - Monkeyshines and Granny continue to fail in attempts to link fringe elements with mainstream Democrats. Sorry, won’t work.

So finchie, are you saying that, for example, the California legislature, which approved this legislation are “fringe elements”??

The fact that YOU are interested in outing people who choose to keep their sexual activities private (remember Roe V. Wade??) just because they don’t agree with the Democrat Party Agenda is a great indication of how morally bankrupt you are.

Apparently it hasn’t occurred to any of your personalities that these people are Republicans BY CHOICE.

I have been entirely consistent on this subject. Whan I worked in the music industry one of my jobs was “Media Buyer” which meant that I was in charge of meeting with the Graydon Carter’s of the world and was the key decision maker as to where to advertise.

I once got a call from “OUT magazine”, who told me that they heard that I was interested in advertising with them.

I told them in no uncertain terms, in the harshest possible manner, that what they were doing was disgusting, and that I wouldn’t advertise with them if they were the last freaking magazine on Earth.

I probably could have been fired for that politically-incorrect stance, but I believe I was sufficiently fierce enough that the POS representative was too terrified to complain to the “Dance Department”. Bwahahahaha.

Here is Mike Rogers witch hunt website again. There’s a link where you can donate to him and force people out of the closet. They accept Pay Pal.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

LHU,

The war IN Iraq is not over, the war AGAINST Iraq is. North Korea is a very real threat to Seoul, because they can attack Seoul with artillery shells. Lil’ Kim and all his bluster is waking his neighbors up which was Bush’s plan all along.

See how much smarter the Bush plan was than the go it alone Clinton plan?

Your great, great, great, great, etc. grandpappy may have been an ape for all I know, but it’s a pretty safe bet he wasn’t a gay ape.

By Thomas

October 11, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

OK —

This recent kneejerk prattle by our local (Concerned Parents) is an outrage over an anti-aids pamplet.

Huh??? What?? —

This pamplet was approved by many Government agencys, corporations’s, and Health Departmnents. This thing is designed for teaching aids prevention.

So perhaps this thing has fallen into the wrong hands of the wrong age groups, and to this event I say SO WHAT! The world is imperfect and mistakes occur.

Kids know more than parents would like to believe anyway, and a disease that kills is something that they definitly need to learn about early on in life. People forget that puberty begins around age 11 and 12 and also the sexual interest begins.

To outright condemn something that is designed to teach our children about a disease that kills millions a year is a horrible thing for you people to do. Aids is rapidly spreading worldwide, and will continue to kill.

God forbid that anyone (especially your kids) should ever get his disease, but in this modern world it is a serious possibility and MUST be taught to your kids at some point. Otherwise you as a parent have put your own childrens lives at risk.

The issue is the way the materials were distributed. In my mind the best way would be to provide these materials to the parents, and let the parents decide when to bring this up to their kids. Wise parents would discuss this early on rather than wait until later to discuss it when their kids are dying in a hospital bed.

Dusty? Buy Danish? RW? are you telling me that the Aids Epidemic does not concern you at all? That your OK with people dying of this disease? That we should sit back and let nature take it’s course? I hope not! i hope yout not that inhumane!

Thomas

By Paul

October 11, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

Thomas, Interesting post. Not to quibble - exploring options is a bit different from “about to order air strikes.” I’m not sure how close to a decision this was, but the fact NK considered this a possibility is noteworthy.

Another transcript you may find interesting - it’s from the Hoover Institute, generally acknowledged a “conservative think tank” but one of the guests was James Woolsey, who was CIA director. Quite an exchange.

My thought is NK was determined to pursue nuclear weapons, regardless of US enticements. That does not mean delays are meaningless - lots can happen in the interim. My concern with NK is based on what they’ve done with some pretty sophisticated, and destabilizing weapons/components/technologies. Who’s the larger threat? NK with nukes to the highest bidder, or Iran with nukes to the most fanatical jihadist.

Almost makes you want to move to a south seas island, doesn’t it?

link: http://www.hoover.org/publications/uk/2992721.html

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

Midori,

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!

You leave a message to rushncap about me being fixated on teen sex, and when we respond you squawk and whine about it.

Would you like a lollipop to make you feel better?

♥♥♥♥♥

By Lord Help Us

October 11, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this

RW-(Crispy),

Bush’s ‘plan’ was for NK to further develop nuclear weapons, test those weapons, etc. to ‘wake up his neighbors?’

Wake them up for what?!?!? To KEEP him from developing nuclear weapons?!?!?

If the goal was for NK to develop, produce and test nuclear weapons then you are absolutely correct…Bush’s plan WORKED!

Was his goal to destabilize the Middle East too? That plan is working out well too!

By ed lorenzo

October 11, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

OVERHEARD IN THE MAIN LOUNGE IN HEAVEN

“Listen Pete, where the heck is JC?”

“He is down on earth somewhere trying to figure out the Axis of Evil crisis”

‘Gee, I told him not to bother with that planet. It is due for self destruction anyway and he can be more useful in one of the new galaxies. Ask him to see me when he returns; that is if they don’t catch him and crucify him again. I just don’t trust those bipeds!”

God smiled to St. Peter and gently poured some more tequila in their glasses. Then he asked:

“By the way what the heck is an Axis of Evil? Haven’t they got enough with Congressmen, sportscasters, lawyers, HMOs, rappers and cooking show hostesses?”

“Apparently not. You see there is this cowboy in the White House that dreamed about becoming a Crusader with a Churchill complex. Instead he has screwed up the works with his exquisite incompetence and that of his followers. He invented the Axis and now the Axis is becoming a nightmare. What should we suggest to those people on earth?”

”Tell them to ask their doctor! Let us have more tequila!”

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

LHU,

Which part of it not being a nuke did you miss?

And your idea that the Middle East was a bastion of civility until Bush came along is the best laugh I’ve had all day. Thanks!

Thomas,

Are you trying to tell us that “The Joy of Fisting” is simply an anti-aids message?

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

I am stunned by your comments. Stunned, but not wounded.

It wasn’t an just anti-aids pamphlet dumb-a$$ - it was a detailed instructional booklet for the children.

Since you are clearly clueless, this photo from the official Democrat Party website might give you a CLUE as to one of the techniques these kids were taught.

Go Dems!!

By Thomas

October 11, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

chuckles a it ad Ed’s post

Yeah I never did figure out that Axis of Evil thing. I mean in WWII we had the Axis Powers of Japan, Germany, and Italy, But how can Korea, Iraq, and Iran be an Axis - especially considering Iraq and Iran hate each other and would gladly destroy each other. Oh well - just another political catch-phrase.

Paul -

Oh no doubt! North Korea (as well as most wannabe countrys) would just love to join the Nuclear Club. There are many nations with secret labs world wide researching the atom. No we can’t stop the process, but through diplomacy we can slow the process. Diplomacy is one of our most vital tools in world affairs.

This administration didn’t concern itself with diplomacy. It took a hard line response to all world affairs. The USA was saying we are big and powerful and you will follow our direction or face consequences. We became authoritarian in world affairs and the current Anti-USA response world wide is the inevitible result for us taking such a hard line stance in our rhetoric. You just can’t boss people (or countries) around and expect them to like you and follow you. It comes off as if we are threatening them.

Iran and North Korea now have reactors and enrichment that can develop nukes, and there is little we can do (outside of going to war) to convince them to stop. NK is a real threat now as they could easily sneak a nuke in a shipping cargo freighter and take out a major USA city (or several).

The fact they have nukes is not the biggest problem, the biggest issue is that we have lost all strengths in diplomacy to curtail and slow their development now. Their expanded research will now go un-checked. I guess their next step is onwards to the H-Bomb!

Thomas

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

Midori,

So you think Adam Gadahn is just a truth teller that us wingnuts are picking on eh?

Figures.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

RW,

Re your 12:54, it’s a perfect opportunity to segue to this:

For the first time in history, the DNC’s delegate selection rules require that state parties adopt and implement inclusion plans designed to achieve full participation by LGBT Americans—along with Americans with disabilities and other traditionally underrepresented groups—in the political process.

So what are the Dems going to do? Hand out rainbow colored handicap stickers?

And if these groups are so “underrepresented”, why are most of the handicap parking spots…empty?

Go Dems!

By Thomas

October 11, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

Well RW —

It is definitly a sexual activity where you can’t get aids isn’t it? — So go for it - enjoy! I won’t stop you!…

By Lord Help Us

October 11, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

Oh my, little Crispy. Where oh where did I say Iraq was a ‘bastion of civility until Bush came along?’ My what a delusional imagination you have.

And, on NK, I have yet to see any substantiation that it was NOT a nuke…Apparently, you already know. (See, comment above re: your delusional state…)

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

Between RW’s 1:52 and (purely coincidentally) my 1:54, I’m ready for an apology from you. Assuming it is that you have gotten the message by now, which could be a huge assumption.

Oh wait! I forgot. You guys never apologize.

Okay - how about a retraction?

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Do you think the DNC even paid for their cheering crowd picture?

By Midori

October 11, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

conveniently “ignored” by that pathetic 12:46

History of Foley Messages’ Release Clarified by Players

By Midori

October 11, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

LHU,

That’s all they have. They can’t stand reality, therefore, they have to twist your words in order to fit their version of what’s real.

By getalife

October 11, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

“just a truth teller that us wingnuts”

Lets face it folks, we are talking to the minority wingnut base here.

They gobble up Rove’s bs and swallow w’s lies.

We must dumb down the rhetoric to stoop to their level.

Just lie and blame others for them to understand.

By rushncap

October 11, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

Danish, I’m not interested in any further discussions about your fascination with pedophilia. Find someone else to talk to you.

By Thomas

October 11, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Sheesh! Louise!

Look - Bi-Bimbo! —

I already stated that my feelings were that the materials should be given to the parents and the parents should decide when (or if) to pass the info to their children. You are again breaking into a Right Wing KneeJerk reaction on this issue.

I am seeing this weird Homophobia view coming out of your comments that have a total lack of reason to logically discussing such issues.

You continue to debate an incident that obviously (and everyone invloved knows it) has to be corrected concerning the materials being removed from under-age group access. Yet you still ignore the real problem of how to discuss this very important issue with the same kids that need to know. So how would you explain this deadly issue to kids that are soon going to be exploring their sexuality (with or without) our adult imput?

Apparently your concept is to hide the issue in a closet and Stick your head in the ground!

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

Sorry - that should have read “assuming THAT is that…”

RW,

I wonder whether or not these people (models?) knew they were going to be used for the Democratic Party Website.

It IS perfect.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

LHU,

To paraphrase the greatest President our country has ever known, “There you go again” asking me to prove a negative.

Well Thomas,

Before you sink any further into your depravity why don’t you look at Buy Danish’s link at 8:48?

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

Parrot,

You linked the exact same story I did in your attempt to tell me I overlooked it. That’s possibly a new low even by your idiotic standards.

At least you agree that the Democrats were risking the safety of our youth for their own partisan purposes.

By Dusty

October 11, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

Looks like somebody stepped on today’s “cartoon” before they printed it. It is kinda a mess, to say the least.

Maybe Luckovich had just read McCain’s speech on how Clinton supplied North Korea with large amounts of energy material while he was president. Read “nuclear” material.

Or maybe Luckovich read how Shay was giving the public a nice review of Kennedy’s criminal activity at Chappaquidick.

Or maybe Luckovich is not an “artist” Excuse me, a political cartoonist. There certainly is a big difference. Check the yellow pages. He’s listed under propaganda DNC.

By Midori

October 11, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

RW still trolling for attention?

He’s like the ugly nerd in High School that no one talks to, but he gets in your face anyway.

spitting and dripping zit juice all over the place.

By Midori

October 11, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Maggot,

you went straight to the lines in the story, saying that the Dems had the information since the summer.

Never mind the fact that it was a REPUBLICAN who exposed this to the press.

I’m not going to interpret the entire story for you. Use your brain for something else other than stringing together unhinged insults.

BAWWKKKKKK!!!!

RW wanna Cracker!!!

BAWWWWKKKKK!!!!

RW is a cracker

BAWWWKKKK!!!!

By Midori

October 11, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Gee, Dusty - you’ve missed your calling.

If only you took a drive with Ted that night……..

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

Sure it was parrot, sure it was…..Did they forget to line your cage again today?

By Midori

October 11, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

you ignorant wingnuts make it too easy to join you in the gutter.

time to set back for a while.

I broke my rule of not responding to RW the Maggot.

It’s not going to happen again.

but before I go into that mode: RW, I’ve had enough of your stupidity. Just stay away from me and my conversations. I really have nothing else to say to you. Find another female to harass. That’s the republican way, isn’t it? The only way you can get a woman’s attention is to harass her.

By Thomas

October 11, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

Dusty -

McCain looked like an absolute idiot in even suggesting that Bill Clinton supplied nuclear material to North Korea.

The reactors were never started, the materials (to eventually be supplied) were low enriched uranium fuel rods for a light water reactor, and would be totally useless in making a nuke.

North Korea already had a fully operational (Heavy water) Breeder Reactor that was using highly enriched uranium. The end product from this reactor was bomb grade plutonium.

Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter did the impossible and convinced North Korea to shut that Breeder Reactor down.

Later Bush comes along and through his policy we now not only have that Heavy water reactor cooking again, but Korea has now made nukes.

Mission Accomplished!

McCain really fumbled that one - and it will bite him later. And sadly McCain is actually a Republican I admire!

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

Ah shucks parrot,

You know you can’t resist me.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

Ruschncap the Values Voter,

Fine. Since you appear to be disgusted by the truth, I hope you will join Getalife in telling Howie that you oppose force-feeding this garbage to our children.

You can also call your parents in California and ask them to tell Gov. Arnold that you oppose the efforts of the legislature to indoctrinate our kids, and request that he veto this sort of legislation.

It is part of YOUR parties agenda of indoctrination, not mine. The American people know that, and I believe they will remember it on election day.

By Finchie Jacker

October 11, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

Now finch jacked Thomas’s name:

By Thomas October 11, 2006 02:03 PM Well RW — It is definitly a sexual activity where you can’t get aids isn’t it? — So go for it - enjoy! I won’t stop you!…

There’s no way that was Thomas, it wasn’t 25 paragraphs of total nonsense.

Just more signs that finch is fixin to blow.

By Dusty

October 11, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

Poor Midori,

Men harassing her left and right on a blog and she is just an innocent bystander. Oh the tragedy of it all. We will shed a tear for Midori who never calls names, insults people or uses four letter words. We must protect her delicate nature.

By Thomas

October 11, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

Ha ha —

Nope — it was me that did that yah idjit’ —

Can’t I make a one-liner smart as$ stab once in a while here. I mean you guys take cheap potshots at me every day!

Maximum Verbosity and salutations!

Thomas (the Wordsworth)

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

{{By Midori

October 11, 2006 02:37 PM | Gee, Dusty - you’ve missed your calling. If only you took a drive with Ted that night……..}}

Vote for the Democrat Values Party^^^. They’re so sweet! And they’re great with children.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

The complex dealings allowed Reid to transfer ownership, legal liability and some tax consequences to Brown’s company without public knowledge, but still collect a seven-figure payoff nearly three years later.

Reid hung up the phone when questioned about the deal during an AP interview last week.

Just more Democrat hypocrisy and corruption. I bet if a Republican hung up when the press questioned them on a deal like this it would be a screaming headline and three straight weeks of the scribbler going after them.

By Dusty

October 11, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

Thomas

You don’t really believe Clinton gave North Korea nuclear material and they were just waiting for Bush to make them use it improperly?

Was it Bush’s fault that North Korea stopped all inspectors at nuclear plants? If they were only doing innocent manufacture as you try to imply, why did they care who inspected?

You are wrong about McCain. He appears to have stiffened his spine and be forthright about dishonest attacks on Bush. McCain will score points for that. Telling the truth makes everybody look better.

By Thomas

October 11, 2006 03:30 PM | Link to this

Oh this is soo funny —

Each of those post were made by me, but the names that copy my post I am so unsure if they are real or not. Is it really Bon Scott responding to my post - or did someone name jack Bon Scott?….

In either case - I will quite clearlt state for the record that I haven’t been name jacked today on this thread. All Thomas post have actually been posted by me.

Oh and one more thing Finchie Jacker (who-ever you are). 25 paragraphs of non-sense?? I think they make sense to a lot of people here that have reason. You apoparently don’t have the capacity of thought to understand my post…

Oh and RW - watch out for (killer) bunnys!

Cheers!

Thomas

By Midori

October 11, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

How long before the Bushbots will start yelling that this plane crash in NY is Bill Clinton’s fault?

perhaps I should start a pool……..

By Midori

October 11, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

No!!!

vote for the REPUBLICAN values party!! they’re even SWEETER!!

UM, what’s that hanging out of Andy’s rear?

By getalife

October 11, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

Small plane hits building in NY city.

Clinton’s fault.

By bon scott

October 11, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

Midori, the crash happened in an Upper East Side neighborhood that probably has the highest concentration of Republicans in Manhattan. So unless the Repugs were trying to take out some of their own…

No, wait. All this Repuke vs. Repuke sniping over Foley’s follies, this ritual political suicide, this self-destructive behavior..

Karl Rove did it.

By Dusty

October 11, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

bon scott,

You were obviously a bottle baby and never got off the bottle.

You also have a one track mind stuck on drunk and paranoid. Calling Andy “names” is boring and untrue, not to mention repetitious. At least get a little variety. Or better still, just drop the whole dumb thing.

By @@

October 11, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

I’m caught up on today’s comments.

Paul, It’s going to be important for you to remember that driving your point home with ml’s liberals will require entry through the opening in the uto<———————->pian garage door that represents their thought process.

As you can see, nothing in there is usable, but oh how they cherish its’ value.

Their remote will cut off access when their junk is threatened.

Nice try though. Historically it’s been a transmission problem. They’re happy to sit in neutral while the engine experiences wear and tear.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

Midori,

I think it is far more likely that someone will blame it on Bush, so that would be a much better bet for you.

By Finchie Name Jacker Off

October 11, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

Easy, Thomas, easy.

All this excitement, having someone actually respond to your comments, sends chills up one’s spine, apparently.

By Thomas October 11, 2006 03:30 PM In either case - I will quite {{{clearlt}}} state for the record that I haven’t been name jacked today on this thread. Oh and one more thing Finchie Jacker (who-ever you are). 25 paragraphs of {{{non-sense??}}} I think they make sense to a lot of people here that have reason. You {{{apoparently}}} don’t have the capacity of thought to understand my post…

Look man, it’s me, Andy.

You’re taking a shot at me for not understanding your nonsense but you yourself can’t even figure out that my post is 1) taking a shot at your long winded pointless manifestos (let us parry over there deeper meanings some other day, shall we?) and 2) setting a trap for pedobonnie to a) admit that she’s finch (mission accomplished!!) b)tag her as the sicko name jacker off.

Got it?

By getalife

October 11, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

Small plane hits building in NY city.

w invades Tasmania and blames Clinton.

By bon scott

October 11, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

Andy, I’m convinced that all this is your idea of a joke. No one could really be this delusional and paranoid.

Or maybe you just hate getting your head handed to you on a platter here so much, you’ll do anything to change the subject.

Or maybe you’re just nuts. Have another drink.

Republicans have been are their own worst enemy in the Foley Follies. Talking about sex ed programs pushed by fringe types doesn’t change that. The media aren’t to blame, either. They’re just giving people what they want. Brad and Angelina, Barbra, the Foley Follies. Hell, it’s the fall sweeps. Gotta keep those ratings up! Fox included.

Democrats don’t have to do anything now. This thing’s got the big Mo. But if it WAS a Democratic Party plot, which I doubt, it was badly timed. I would’ve waited a week or two. It might peter out too soon! heh.

By Thomas

October 11, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

Dusty?

(natural Blond eh?)

Uhhm — there was an events history post about this very subject earlier today by Paul. (see 10:03 am)

Clinton had agreed to the USA building North Korea two light water reactors that do not use highly enriched uranium. This was to supply NK’s power in the future. This was part of an agreement that NK would shut down their Heavy Water reactors (that do use highly enriched uranium, that can be enriched further to make bombs). In the meantime the USA would supply oil to NK’s oil burning power plants until the USA built those Light reactors.

The 2 light water reactors were never finished. Since the construction of the reactors were never finished the (low enriched) fuel rods were never ever sent to North Korea.

So how do you see Bill Clinton supplying nuclear material to North Korea? That never happened and McCain basically lied about this in his political rhetoric during that speech. Truth indeed! Yeah right!

When Bush cut off their oil supply for their power plants they restarted their heavy water reactor. (Yes - The one with the highly enriched fuel rods that NK already had).

Bush didn’t stop the inspectors, NK threw them out when they had their oil cut off by Bush. They then decided to use their (already built) nuclear reactor for their country’s power.

After hard liner stances of both Bush and Kim Jong, North Korea pulled out of the Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty.

They later made their nuke(s)(???) from the materials in their Heavy water Breeder Reactors fuel rods. This was highly enriched uranium that that they already had long before Clinton/Carter offerred the agreement to prevent Korea from developing a bomb.

Clinton in no way supplied North Korea any nuclear material as you foolishly seem to believe and just as foolishly have repeated.

Thomas (still me - not jacked yet)

By bon scott

October 11, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

By RW-(the aboriginal) - October 11, 2006 03:51 PM -Tell us more about who’s drunk on here every day? Nice job outing yourself in Andy’s trap again too.

The demographic makeup of Manhattan is not exactly a state secret.

You’re just as drunk and paranoid as your delusional Lord and Master.

Or you’re just trying to change the subjects. North Korea, and how Foley’s Follies are eating thru the Party of Corruption like cancer.

Loser.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

Bonnie Scott Liar,

So, you are standing by the “majority of the California legislature is a fringe element” but the rest of the Dems are moderates?

What about Jocelyn Elders? Remember her? Do you recall who appointed her? Was that a Republican?

Do you need me to give you a freaking hint?

By Thomas

October 11, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

I am a mindless windbag government worker. I can type for hours without ever letting out a rational thought and I really wish I could spell.

Thomas (still not jacked and still an idiot)

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this

Bonnie Scott Liar,

Gosh I missed this - Brad and Angelina are ours? The king and queen of Hollywood?

Any thing else you’d like to dream up? This is so entertaining.

I’m checking on your Upper East Side is a Republican Haven statement. Call me highly skeptical, unless you think voting for Bloomberg makes you a card-carrying conservative.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

finchie,

I neglected to mention that your babbling about how many Republicans live in Manhattan is completely irrelevant to ANYTHING we are discussing today - I am just interested in the answer.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

Sybil bon dumba-ss,

You’re the one calling getalife, Midori. I realize it’s hard to tell them apart, but it’s not impossible. Try a little harder and maybe you can begin to discern which words go with which poster.

So what do you think about Harry Reid’s crooked land deal that he didn’t report as required? Should Harry step down?

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

Finchie,

Here you go. I just picked a random address at East 72nd street.

Anymore unadulterated BS you want to peddle as informed fact?

By Midori

October 11, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

The Republicans really miss sniffing in Clinton’s crotch - now they want to sniff in Sandy Berger’s.

By RE

October 11, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Kind of Ironic, isn’t it

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

RE,

How about the United States? Last time I checked a lot less planes are being flown into our skyscrapers.

By Midori

October 11, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

Getalife, you slay me :)

Small plane hits building in NY city.

w invades Tasmania and blames Clinton.####

By Jay not jay

October 11, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

RW,

I bet you it’s the absinthe

that may explain some of it

By Midori

October 11, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

RE,

Very ironic.

Clinton’s penis was the pilot, and Sandy Berger’s foot was the co-pilot.

Oh, the horror!!!!

By Thomas

October 11, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

LoL —

Now I’ve been jacked (4:06) — cute —

Childish! - but cute!

Here - This is quite informative should you really be interested in the history of the North Korean events with their nuke program. However most of you here wouldn’t have the patience to read it all.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0405.kaplan.html

Well have fun Time to go for the day..

Cheers…

Thomas

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

RE,

So have you looked into your crystal ball and figured out that this was a terror attack or are you holding President Bush responsible for any airplane incident?

Why stop there? A helicopter went down in Key Largo today, Bush’s fault! A three car crash at I-85 and I-285 this afternoon, Bush’s fault!

By RE

October 11, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

and dick morris was sucking Berger’s toes, but just so he could check for documents

By Midori

October 11, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

Thank you very much for that Thomas.

I’m printing your 4:32 off so that I can read it this evening.

Have a good evening. Thanks again.

By pkinnebrew

October 11, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

What’s funny? Obviously a feeble attempt to “hate Bush” more than all of America’s enemies. Might as well subtitle all of this “cartoonist’s” creations, “IF IT IS BAD, BUSH DID IT!”

By bon scott

October 11, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

Thomas - I posted that Washington Monthly article here earlier this week. You’re right, it’s very good.

Look, monkeyshines and Bi, I was making a joke about the makeup of that NY neighborhood. I’m not saying it’s chock full of Repugs. It just has more than Greenwich Village. And it does. Why does this matter so much to you?

Get a life.

By Midori

October 11, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this

RIP, Cory Lidle,

RIP

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

RW,

They are reporting that the plane belonged to a Yankee Pitcher. Congressman Rangel (D) NY is whining already.

WHY did it take us so long to find out who owned the plane? WHY WHY WHY??

Congressman Rangel: Maybe they wanted to inform his family?? Just a guess….

By Paul

October 11, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

Thomas, @@, rushncap, RW et al: Weekend’s almost here - given the topic, might I suggest you rend the DVD “The Mouse That Roared” Peter Sellers movie from the 60s, I believe. Little country is broke, they decide to declare war on America ‘cause America always give the defeated billions - so they invade America, America invades them - and things start to go terrible wrong for America.

Personally, I think it should be required viewing for anyone entering government service or joining a “policy think tank.”

Enjoy -

By Midori

October 11, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

Bon Scott,

without minutia and irreverency, they would be lost.

next they will attack your font size.

By Paul

October 11, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish - It can take a while to retrieve parts that will identify the aircraft. Pilots flying VFR (visual flight rules) are not required to file a flight plan - so if they’re taking off, doing a bit of sightseeing, a maintenance check, checkride, etc. there is no document in the FAA system that says “L135986 is a Piper Cub taking off from XYZ at 1440.”

Having said that, don’t know if a major metropolitan area such as NYC has more stringent filing requirement.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

Look, monkeyshines and Bi, I was making a joke about the makeup of that NY neighborhood. I’m not saying it’s chock full of Repugs. It just has more than Greenwich Village. And it does. Why does this matter so much to you? Get a life.

Sybil Bon finchie,

Sure you were. Why don’t you try to get a REAL life instead of living in a freaking fantasy world?

It matters to me because it illustrates ONCE AGAIN that you are completely FOS and I consider it my duty to call you, a so-called “moderate Democrat”, on your asinine BS.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

without minutia and irreverency, they would be lost.

Midori,

sigh. No further comment. I’ll let someone else figure it out for you.

By Midori

October 11, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

Paul,

both the plane and it’s owner/pilot have been identified (scroll up to my “rip”)

he was a pitcher for the Yankees.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

Paul,

Thanks for the info^^^

By Midori

October 11, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

Smoke This, Luckovich,

so, does Laura Bush killing her boyfriend make it ok for Hastert to allow Foley to sexually harass little boys?

By Midori

October 11, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

that’s the best post you’ve made to me all day.

Thank you for STFU. Please feel free to do so in the future.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this

With an entire flock of moonbats posting the Washington Monthly article, it’s probably a good idea to do a little fact checking.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Did Laura Bush leave her boyfriend in four feet of water to suffocate in an air pocket while she swam home to sober up and concoct a story without telling anybody that might have saved him?

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this

Midori,

These are the FACTS about Laura Bush’s tragic accident.

Keep in mind that she is not an elected official, was 17 at the time, she was not drinking or speeding, and did not leave the scene of the accident.

Anymore irrelevant trash you want to pull out of that garbage can you keep so close to you?

By King George Asleep on the Job Again

October 11, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

NEW YORK - A small plane with New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle aboard crashed into a 50-story condominium tower Wednesday on Manhattan’s Upper East Side, killing at least four people and raining flaming debris on sidewalks, authorities said.

Well, well, well. It takes an unfortunate accident to SHOW us unequivocably that King George hasn’t done jack shiite to secure the NY airspace since 9/11. This plane could just as easily have been piloted by another terrorist. Bush is too busy playing cowboy in Iraq to do anything as mundane as protecting the American public ! ! !

By I Don't Have A Brain So I Blame Plane Accidents On Bush

October 11, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Unbelievable.

This waste could post a thousand articles, none of them would be relevant.

So much trash.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this

RW,

Here’s a photo to illustrate your fact-checking on North Korea.

Albright:

“We had very good discussions…ANd he seems pragmatic…not hostile”.

Famous last words.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

Midori,

I TOLD you that you should make the pool about blaming Bush.

Listen to me and you’ll be swimming in gambling dough.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

KGAOTJA,

Maybe Bush should have intervened before Cory Lidle took the controls of the plane?

Surely John Kerry and Al Gore would have done that.

By Collin

October 11, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this

Luckovich, It’s just like a nasty lib to stuff a used cigar belonging to Clinton in a sitting president’s mouth.

Clinton fell for Kim’s blackmail scheme and you want Bush to smoke Bill’s cigar.

Maybe if Clinton had lit that thing long ago, we wouldn’t be in this mess today.

Bush doesn’t negotiate with terrorists or blackmailers. That’s exactly how it should be.

Let China negotiate. They’ve got more to lose. Let Japan arm themselves.

Bush knows what he’s doing.

By RE

October 11, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this

RW, andy, Bi danish…etc.

I know the BS blaming that goes back and forth here that passes as debate, and every problem or scandal is automatically linked back to some other similar scandal, as if that would justify it in some way.

The thing I do not get is, don’t you ever expect more from your government? Some sense of competancy? Do you really think the country is going in the right direction, or has been for the last 5 years?

By King George Asleep on the Job Again

October 11, 2006 06:14 PM | Link to this

Planes are still flying unfettered into NYC buildings after 9/11. Wingnuts might not like to admit that King George has not secured NY airspace after 9/11 but that is EXACTLY what the Chimperor HAS NOT DONE. Cory Lidle’s crash proves that in spite of all the Bush apologists attempts to ‘Fool ALL of the People ALL of the Time’ ! ! !

Bush policies are just window dressing. Nobody is any safer now than they were before 9/11 and the buck stops with King George ! ! !

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 06:14 PM | Link to this

RE,

Yes, yes, and yes.

Now if we could just kick out the Democrats and the moderate Republicans we could really get things going the right way.

By You Asked

October 11, 2006 06:22 PM | Link to this

By RE October 11, 2006 06:09 PM Do you really think the country is going in the right direction, or has been for the last 5 years?

REbot: I know it is. The economy is booming, we’re killing the Islamic cut throats wholesale and democrats don’t mind playing court jesters for the whole world so our entertainment dollar has more bang.

The thing I do not get is, don’t you ever expect more from your government?

Maybe if Bush didn’t have to answer to you filthy bast-ards about hurricanes, single engine airplane crashes and every other media contrived pile of bullsh-it that comes out of your a-sses, maybe he could do more.

Does it even matter to you perverts if America is successful or not?

You’re the ones burning the place down out of sheer spite.

By Buy Danish

October 11, 2006 06:25 PM | Link to this

Another chapter for “Shut up and Sing”, this time courtesy of Harpers Bazaar.

I don’t doubt that some of you juveniles who want to run the world will find this asinine piece hilariously funny.

Fashion magazines are so much better when they stay out of politics.

Z Z Z Z Z Z zzzzzzzzzZ Z Z Z Z Z zzzzzzzzzz

By We Should Let The Terroists Win, Eh, Wanker?

October 11, 2006 06:27 PM | Link to this

By My Brain Is Absent But That Doesn’t Stop Me From Making An A-ss Of Myself October 11, 2006 06:14 PM Planes are still flying unfettered into NYC buildings after 9/11

Sure, let’s close off New York to air traffic, or maybe we could launch missiles at any planes that HAVE TROUBLE AND ACCIDENTLY CRASH INTO THE FREAKING BUILDING.

My Lord how stupid can some people be?

By King George Asleep on the Job Again

October 11, 2006 06:41 PM | Link to this

By You Asked (AKA Filthy) October 11, 2006 06:22 PM- Maybe if Bush didn’t have to answer to you filthy bast-ards about hurricanes, single engine airplane crashes and every other media contrived pile of bullsh-it that comes out of your a-sses, maybe he could do more.

Accountability and responsibility really are a bi-tch aren’t they? It’s tough being a grown-up, isn’t it filthy ? ? ?

By King George Asleep on the Job Again

October 11, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

By We Should Let The Terroists Win, Eh, Wanker? (AKA Filthy) October 11, 2006 06:27 PM- Sure, let’s close off New York to air traffic, or maybe we could launch missiles at any planes that HAVE TROUBLE AND ACCIDENTLY CRASH INTO THE FREAKING BUILDING.

Well now Filthy tells us that NY airspace really cannot be secured anyway. What would filthy have us do…….use diplomacy? How very un-Bushlike of filthy ! ! !

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 06:54 PM | Link to this

Not even Queen Yahoo can be stupid enough to blame Bush for a private plane crashing, but I sure wish that idea would spread among the Democrats.

By We Should Let The Terroists Win, Eh, Wanker?

October 11, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

By Ittle Bitty Liberal Brain October 11, 2006 06:41 PM Accountability and responsibility really are a bi-tch aren’t they?

I agree, dumba-ss.

Problem is, your ignorant a-ss removes the responsibility from those who deserve and places it at the feet of people who have nothing to do with it.

And the problem never gets solved.

This comment was for the benefit of the grown ups in the blog, I do not expect the person who posted this at 6:41 to be able to understand.

It’s way too obvious that this loser has no brain.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 07:02 PM | Link to this

Here’s the story about that truth teller Midori said we were picking on.

Poor, poor pitiful Azzam the American.

It sure will be nice to get treason reinstated as an offense. Maybe we can indict Hanoi Jane after all.

By bon scott

October 11, 2006 07:07 PM | Link to this

By RW-(the aboriginal) - October 11, 2006 06:06 PM - Carolyn Maloney is the Congressional rep for this New York hot bed of conservative Republicans where the plane crash happened.

Good Lord you are such a moran. It’s an old joke that NYC’s endangered Republicans seek solace in their Upper East Side enclave. That’s where the stockbrokers live. And Mayor Bloomburg. They’e far from a majority, but they’re more common there than… Greenwich Village!

I can’t believe you spent so much time disassembling a rather poor joke. You truly need a life.

No, wait! You’re distracting people from real issues like Foley and North Korea and Iraq. Going bonkers over a non-issue like the crash of a small plane and the political makeup of the crash neighborhood.

That’s your Repug party. All blue smoke and mirrors. Absolutely no substance. Morans.

Usually, Andy’s the only raging paranoid drunk here this time of day. (His wild name-jacking accusations this afternoon were delicious, BTW!) But he obviously has company. Bottoms up, fools. Goodnight.

By RW-(the original)

October 11, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

Oh no!!!!! The French are creating more nuke testers!!!

By the way LHU, that’s the French even saying that the gargoyle’s test was a dud and you know if it had been a success they would have preemptively surrendered.

Sybil bon finchie,

Look a few posts above you to see who’s trying to make political hay out of a tragic private plane crash.

Look it takes about 4 seconds to find out something about Congress people. It’s a crying shame that you are too ignorant to use the tools at your disposal.

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