Mike Luckovich

By George

October 5, 2006 07:59 AM | Link to this

Well at least there is one smart one in the family.

What a disaster! Dumbya hears voices, guesses wrong then many people die and the Mideast is distroyed for generations. Mission Accomplished Dumbya.

And how many last throes does this make?

BAGHDAD, Oct. 4 — Thirteen U.S. soldiers have been killed in Baghdad since Monday, the American military reported, registering the highest three-day death toll for U.S. forces in the capital since the start of the war.

I’m sure that the resident idiot Andy will try and spin this to be something positive for the war effort. Oh well maybe we can send Barney over there to teach Andy a few new tricks.

.

By Brian Curtis

October 5, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this

You mean there’s still some people out there who are stubborn and dumb enough to pretend that Iraq WASN’T a gigantic blunder?

Scary to think that these people are allowed to drive… and vote!

By Pinko Teacher

October 5, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this

Georgie Girl: People read me.

They don’t read you.

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I’m sure the dog probably has a lot more morality and backbone then your average depraved democrat. Dogs are loyal; a pinko is always ready to throw down the flag and run. Dogs are brave; liberals are spineless cowards. The dog would protect the women and children; the liberal would protect the throat cutting terrorists.

Where do you get off smearing the dog like that, mikey, piece of sh-it?

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On Tuesday ABC news released a high-impact instant message exchange between Foley and, as ABC explained, a young man “under the age of 18.” ABC headlined the story: “New Foley Instant Messages; Had Internet Sex While Awaiting House Vote” But upon reviewing the records, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned, the young man was in fact over the age of 18 at the time of the exchange.-Drudge

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If you need any further proof that the Atlanta Journal Constitution is a one sided partisan political rag, just look here:

President Bush, {{{{{in Arizona on a campaign fund-raising swing}}}}}, signed the $35 billion homeland security bill that includes an overhaul of the Federal Emergency Management Agency and $1.2 billion for fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border to stem illegal immigration.-AJC

I’m surprised they gave him credit at all for this major piece of legislation, even if it was just a few obscure lines on page 15, but what’s up with the fund raising smear? What do these dumba-ss liberals think the front page of their campaign brochure, er, “news” paper is?:

Foley aide says House leaders told 3 years ago-AJC

Old news repackaged to do the maximum damage to the Republicans.

All counting on the monumental stupidity of their readership, pinko liberals, to help carry the water for them.

And you homosexuals should take great comfort in knowing that your so called “friends” will throw you under the bus if they think they can smear Republicans by doing it.

By w00t

October 5, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

Bush looks like a fundamentalist in this picture

Oh, wait, he is…

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 5, 2006 08:05 AM | Link to this

Good dog, Barney! Good Dog!

By I Report, You Suicide

October 5, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this

E & P reports: “Woodward replied that he had not waited “to make a splash, but to assemble the whole story,” and then go to the White House and Pentagon and CIA and ask, “What did you do?” He added: “Simon & Schuster and my bosses at the Washington Post said the only real obligation here is to tell it before the election.” (emphasis added).-RealClearPolitics

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The Royal Society wants Exxon to stop supporting studies that might reveal that the current warming is due to natural causes and is not man-made. Too late. The U.S. government released a report last May that clearly shows how observations disagree with results calculated from greenhouse models. Yes, that’s how science works. It’s a fundamental principle that one can never “prove” a scientific hypothesis; one can only falsify it. Here the hypothesis is that the current increase in greenhouse gases, presumably from the burning of fossil fuels, will cause temperatures to rise — and, according to models, most rapidly in the high atmosphere in the tropics. But the data don’t show this — and thereby falsify the hypothesis.-WashingtonTimes

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Michael Scheuer was chief of the bin Laden Unit at the CIA’s Counterterrorist Center from 1996 to 1999, charged with finding the mastermind who would one day plot and direct 9/11. He’s a harsh critic of the Bush administration’s conduct of the war in Iraq, and he is unequivocal and unrelenting in his dispute of Bill Clinton’s assertion that he never had opportunities to kill Osama bin Laden. “Mr. Richard Clarke, Mr. Sandy Berger, President Clinton are lying about the opportunities they had to kill [him],” he told Chris Wallace on “Fox News Sunday.” “That’s the plain truth, the exact truth.”-WashingtonTimes

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Today’s cartoon that doesn’t suck!

By I Report, You Whine

October 5, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this

When Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas, one of his big fund-raisers (and, by some unconfirmed but oft-believed reports, a partying companion) was a man named Dan Lasater, who also at one point employed Clinton’s brother Roger. Lasater eventually was convicted of having, on numerous documented occasions, served as a distributor of significant amounts of cocaine. But that’s not all he did. Among the official files on Lasater that Gov. Clinton was expected to review was a sworn affidavit from one Patricia Smith. In the affidavit, Ms. Smith swore that he had been 16 years old and a virgin until Lasater, in her words, “plied me with cocaine” in return for sex. She said, with great descriptive detail, that Lasater did so not once but numerous times. Yet despite this evidence of alleged sex with a minor combined with narcotics use, in files full of other egregious drug-related behavior for which Mr. Lasater was convicted, Gov. Clinton gave Lasater an official pardon.-AmericanSpectator

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First to the site as always was House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. Republican leaders “failed to protect the children in their trust,” intoned Parson Pelosi, last seen on this issue voting to revoke the Boy Scouts’ charter for its ban on gay scoutmasters.-OpinionJournal

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San Francisco’s beloved Harry Hay was a vigorous and well-known advocate of older men having sex with young boys. He was a fearless and quite famous advocate for Congressman Mark Foley’s behavior. Abhorrent behavior? If men having sex with children is “abhorrent behavior.” then it seems it would be quite logical for a United States Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi to stand up and protest the presence of one of its leading advocates having a place of honor in a civic parade — a parade in which she herself would be marching mere steps behind him.-AmericanSpectator

By Brian Curtis

October 5, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

I assume we’ll be treated today to more of the hysterical claims like “Servitude to Bush is the same as loyalty to America! KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!”

Should be fun to watch these losers in Day Four of this week’s meltdown.

By George

October 5, 2006 08:16 AM | Link to this

Andy, I sure that you and your delusions are having a great time posting but don’t assume that others care what the two of you are doing. Most of us just skip over any long posts with the word Cut in it. That way eveyone can be happy.

By w00t

October 5, 2006 08:20 AM | Link to this

Wow, Andy, I never knew you stood up for pedophiles and child molesters. It’s amazing how repukes can try to turn around a story. “Well, so and so did it 24 years ago!” It doesn’t matter, especially when most of the repukes ran on a “family values” platform. So much for family values ‘eh?

I think the more Andy is proven wrong the more ranting and slobbering on his keyboard he does. Andy can you even make a post without cursing or calling someone a name? Thought you had values and a spine?

By candide

October 5, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

You’d think all these “moral values” types would realize that the greatest moral issue we have is the evil, illegal and crazy war in Iraq which is killing our youth and making peace in the region impossible for generations.

But no, they prefer to tell people what to do and not do in bed, what to teach in biology classes, what kind of birth control to practice, and all that. These are not moralists but Pharisees. Woe ye Scribes and Pharisees.

By George

October 5, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

w00t, It is the voices that make Andy do that.

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Something else that dogs are that Libs aren’t: Funny.

I’m not surprised that Lucko is using a dog to spread his message. They’ve indoctrinated as many kids as they can - on to the dogs! They won’t stop until the furbish lousewort marches with them.

By I Report, You Whine

October 5, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this

By George October 5, 2006 08:16 AM Andy, I sure that you and your delusions are having a great time posting but don’t assume that others care what the two of you are doing. Most of us just skip over any long posts with the word Cut in it. That way eveyone can be happy.

Georgie Girl: You hack into a “news” paper’s blog when it is not open and comment on me, every single solitary freaking day of the week.

All of this for someone who’s posts you just “skip over?”

You liberals are the absolutely most weirdest little bastards in the history of the world.

Fess up, dude, either you love to read my posts or you know that I’m kicking liberalism square in the a-ss and it’s making you freak out with worry.

Which is it?

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

A lesson in how Democrat activists ply their trade.The bogus Blog behind Foley’s Fall

Gotta run! Later…

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 08:35 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Mark Steyn is on Bill Bennett right now…

By I Report, You Hypocrite

October 5, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this

By w00t October 5, 2006 08:20 AM Wow, Andy, I never knew you stood up for pedophiles and child molesters.

I’m against all pedophiles, dic-k head, not just the ones in the opposition political party like you are.

Hypocrite.

It’s nice to have all you pinkos on record against homosexuality, not that you’ll remember the sh-it the next time YOU get caught.

Maggot.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 5, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

Granny,

Running away so early? I’m so disappointed. On the other hand, you have been rather hostile and irrational lately. What ever happened to the sharp-witted b!tchiness? Oh yeah, it was never present.

By I Report, You Hypocrite

October 5, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this

Hey everybody, listen what the AJC thought of the movie “Thirteen” when it broke upon the scene:

Directed by first-timer Catherine Hardwicke, “Thirteen” is intelligent, thought-provoking, non-exploitative and beautifully acted by Holly Hunter, Evan Rachel Wood and Nikki Reed. Reed, whose own baby-tart adventures provided many of the incidents in the film, co-wrote the script with Hardwicke. As coltishly pretty Tracy (Wood) enters 7th grade, she’s wearing pigtails and has stuffed animals all over her bed. Within weeks, under the expert tutelage of junior-high hottie Evie (Reed), she’s traded her teddy bear for a tongue ring and her sensible jeans for hip-huggers that would make Britney blush.-AtlantaJournalConstitutionAllHotAndBotheredOverSomeYoungUns

Thier new found prudishness must not extend all the way down to thirteen, they only express outrage about eighteen year olds.

By George

October 5, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

“Fess up, dude, either you love to read my posts or you know that I’m kicking liberalism square in the a-ss and it’s making you freak out with worry.”

No Andy, you and your delusions have a great time posting but I don’t read them. You have so many names that you post under that it is impossible to tell who is who. All I know is that any long posts with lots of linked stories and Cut in between is not worthy of reading. I sure that most are posted by you but I simply don’t care.

By By I Report, You Hypocrite

October 5, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

Just because I support and defend Republicans who are pedophiles and display homosexual tendencies myself, does not mean I would do the same for a Democrat.

Dic-kheads like you are better off in my mouth.

My name is Andy.

I am a conservative.

By rushncap

October 5, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

To be fair, this is Mike phoning it in for a day.

By rushncap

October 5, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this

Danish, just like her. Who cares about Foley hitting on teen boys in his employ. Let’s get mad about a blog that may or may not have had anything to do with this story coming to light. What a disgusting little creature she is.

By Icy Stars

October 5, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

When in doubt, use the dog. Great Stuff, Mike Luckovich!!! (looks like Bush’s dog was the one who drew all those “Eat more Chicken” signs littering our highway and television screens.)

In war, cultures intermingle. There’s an exchange. Iraq, however, only gave us their secret police’s Bathist torture and wiretapping techniques, while we, in turn have given Iraqi baby boomers all of our social security money.

That’s the peculiar exchange of cultures going on right now. Anyone want to renegotiate THAT deal?

Impeach Bush now and avoid the November rush. (that works on so many levels)

By w00t

October 5, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

Andy, when you’re trying to Justify a pedophiles actions or post links to stories that “lessen” the impact then indirectly you support them.

If you say you’re against all pedophiles, like you insist, then there should be no need for your stories.

Lets be honest here, if there was a lib or a democrat that had done what Foley did then you would be ALL OVER IT. You would keep posting about it till you turned blue. If someone from either party had done this I would be, and am, completely outraged that this was allowed to go on.

That’s right Andy, “you” got caught. So keep supporting your do nothing, troop killing, lying, bankrupting administration. How can you be party of a party that can do so wrong?

By IMPEACH CHIMPY

October 5, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

George is absolutely correct. I, too, skip past those long posts with CUT between the paragraphs. Andy it looks like your preaching to the choir. Only morons bother to read your blather.

By Donovan Coley

October 5, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

Gee! Another insulting cartoon and another poll that just happens to love the anti-American humor of the AJC. The propaganda machine just keeps grinding on, doesn’t it folks?

By Eric

October 5, 2006 09:02 AM | Link to this

I never read any of that “cut” garbage.

By nuff-said

October 5, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

Republicans have one hand in a childs pants and the other on your wallet!

By Donovan Coley

October 5, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

Gosh! Another insulting cartoon that just happens to show up again with the voters loving it. The AJC propaganda machine just keeps cranking them out.

By @@

October 5, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this

ml: When I saw the title “Man’s Best Friend”, it reminded me of an article I read yesterday. Rumors are flying among the citizens of Baghdad, that there is a dog belonging to the military running rampant and attacking their people.

I was thinking that you had bought into rumor and turned it into a cartoon. Wouldn’t be too far-fetched for a “fido” like you.

Saddest part is our troops spend a great deal of time over there disspelling the rumors when they could be doing the job they were sent to do.

You open up a daily can of “Fido’s Fodder” for all the “liberal chihuahuas” who yap here. Lousy nutrition for our troops.

By getalife

October 5, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this

Great toon Mike.

w loses Barney’s vote.

Barney speaks better than w and smarter too.

Iraq like Washington is out of control.

What a mess.

By I Report, You Hypocrite

October 5, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

By George October 5, 2006 08:46 AM No Andy, you and your delusions have a great time posting but I don’t read them. You have so many names that you post under that it is impossible to tell who is who. All I know is that any long posts with lots of linked stories and Cut in between is not worthy of reading. I sure that most are posted by you but I simply don’t care.

O.K. Georgie Girl, if I really don’t cause you to lose sleep like you say, then QUIT BRINGING MY NAME UP IN THE POSTS THAT YOU LEAVE WHEN YOU HACK INTO THE AJC’S SITE EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY MORNING, YOU IGNORANT AS-S.

I dare you.

By I Report, You Hypocrite

October 5, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

Just because I support and defend Republicans who are pedophiles and display homosexual tendencies myself, does not mean I would do the same for a Democrat.

Dic-kheads like you are better off in my mouth.

My name is Finch/Bon Scott/Seeker/PedoFinchie.

I am a pedophile.

By IMPEACH CHIMPY

October 5, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

Donovan - why must you continue to equate non-Bush supporters as anti-American? Those of us who don’t support him are more in tune with American ideals than those of you who blindly follow him. By your logic, all of you who were anti-Clinton when he was in office were anti-American.

By w00t

October 5, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

Awwww, is poor wittle Andy all UPSET? That’s so Cute!! Better run home to mommy!

By PedoFinchie

October 5, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

By w00t October 5, 2006 08:56 AM Andy, If you say you’re against all pedophiles, like you insist, then there should be no need for your stories.

8:07 has three instances where DEMOCRATS DEFENDED PEDOPHILES.

Why do you say I defend pedophiles?

Are you f in the head?

Like all liberals?

By B.Moore

October 5, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

Mike, I’m old enough to recall signs in people’s yards that said GET U.S. OUT OF THE U.N.

That was some forty odd years ago. People weren’t listening then, and look where we are today.

By Scooter

October 5, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this

Dang, Barney now wants to give the terrorist what they want, like the dems. Not to mention Barney would further embolden the terrorists. Our retreat from Somalia emboldened them as weakness and retreat from Iraq will do the same. Do the libs not see this? Oh yeah, they forgot about the 90’s, Saddam’s continual deception of UN inspectors, the corruption of the Oil for Food Program (OFF), Saddam’s intention to erode sanctions through OFF and reconstitute his WMD programs and concluded that Saddam was a risk they were willing to take after 9/11.

By Masturbatory Liberals

October 5, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

I skip over the posts with the “Cut” in them but for some reason I feel like jacking the “Cut” man’s name.

Because they don’t bother me, nope, not at all.

I’m weird but proud of it.

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

Oh Lucko— love today’s toon! How did that cute Barney get such bad luck that he was adopted by that messed-up family?

By rushncap

October 5, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

@@, I see defending liars, pedophiles, and torture-mongers qualifies as “supporting the troops” in your book. Glad to know.

Hint: when you bought that courageous bumper sticker with the yellow ribbon and then worked hard and sacrificed to affix it to your car, not a darn thing changed in Iraq. In fact, no one even knew about it. Just a heads up…

By getalife

October 5, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this

Lets face it folks, the gop are telling children it is okay if a Congressman talks to them on the Internet about sex.

They are teaching the children, it is okay to kill for no good reason.

They are teaching them to steal and how to get away with it.

They are teaching them to have no remorse or no responsibility for their actions.

They are teaching them to be bad people. They are teaching them to hate others because they are not like them.

These are some things the gop are teaching your children.

By Randy

October 5, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

What’s the matter Mike? Are you crying because Barney stole your crayons?

You’ll probably think Bush stole America.

I’d say liberals like you deserted America.

By Shawny

October 5, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

Point - No one can defend Foley, not even “neo-cons”. He is scum and should be thrown under the jail. HOWEVER, what is funny is the onslaught of blatent lib HYPOCRISY. Don’t have time for the “cuts”, then let me break it down for you with A.D.D.

1976, Rep. Richmond (D-NY), solicited sex from a 16 year old boy. Democratic response - nothing, he got re-elected.

1983, Rep. Gerry Studds (D-MA), house ethics committee reveals that he had sex with a 17 year old boy in ‘73. Censured by Congress. Democratic response - nothing, got re-elected multiple times until he retired in ‘96.

1989, Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), hired a male prostitute and paid him to work out of his apartment. Boston Globe called on him to resign. House ethics committee reprimanded him for fixing parking tickets. Democratic response - nothing, got re-elected multiple times by wide margins.

1994, Rep. Mel Reynolds (D-IL), ALLEGEDLY had sex wiht a 16 year old. CONVICTED of 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice, and child pornography. Sentanced to 5 years in prison. Democratic response - BILL CLINTON PARDONED HIM!!!!! I guess Clinton and his buddy have a couple of things in common…you know, with sex scandals and obstruction of justice.

Now, we have this Foley thing. Democratic response? FIRE AT WILL!

By rushncap

October 5, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

Don’t worry, Scooter, there are still some people in this country (millions, in fact) who are far dumber than Barney, and will vote Republican again this fall, and the fall of 2008. Just because a dog of average intelligence has seen through the lies of this administration does not mean your cause is sunk. In fact, that may portend good things for you, Scoot.

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

Studies by the Pediatric Association show that 98% of pedophile cases are attributed to heterosexual males

Once again, the Neo-con extremists have no basis for their attempts at connecting homosexuality with pedophilia… it’s just their phobias obsessing their brains again!

By Dusty

October 5, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

Whew!!

They need an ethics committee on this blog. It is out of control. If AJC wants to keep putting out this ugly stuff, they shouldn’t say they monitor anything. All the weirdos gather here and show their sleazy character.

Congrats, ml, you sponsor the lowest form of blog life and AJC puts their name on it.

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

“Our retreat from Somalia emboldened them as weakness and retreat from Iraq will do the same.”

Scooter— your guy W emboldened our enemies when he decided to invade and occupy a sovereign country, a country that didn’t even have enough weapons to defend itself! And you’re so proud of that? What kind of coward are you— another Neo-con extremist coward? Oh, OK. The same ones that chose not to invade a country that everyone KNEW were our real enemies (Iran Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, North Korea, et al) — that’s the kind of cowards that YOU ARE!

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

“All the weirdos gather here and show their sleazy character.”

Exactly Dusty — you should know!

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

GOP Family Values: “War, Torture, and Sex in the Closet!”

By Sicko Liberals

October 5, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

Look at who Goldilock’s “study” is using for reference material:

2. Thorstad D. Man/boy love and the American gay movement. J Homesex. 1991;20:251-274

“No, homosexuals would never, never think about molesting young children” said Mr. Homosexual Pedophile.

Look who’s^^^ defending pedophiles by the way.

By @@

October 5, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

rushncap: Let’s be real, O.K.? Lying politicians are the norm. They’re both Democrat and Republican. Short of assigning a citizen to shadow each representative’s every move, you’re never going to know when they’re lying and when they’re not.

Supporting pedophiles…me? A serrated knife would depict my disdain. Foley resigned. Zero tolerance from Republicans? Can Democrats say the same considering the forgiveness they’ve bestowed on their representatives in the past?

The possibility of dirty politics is revealed in Buy Danish’s link at 8:32. Were Democrats complicit in allowing the abuse to continue? Could be!!! Dirty and negative politics is something that I’ve come to despise in the Democrat party and it won’t change until they change their tactics.

No yellow ribbon on my car rushncap. I support them with my committment to their committment.

You need to grow up rushncap. Childish idealism is a fantasy. War is he11 and unfortunately necessary.

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

Sicko Andy, you really need to get some medication for your problems — quick! You’re sliming everyone you come in contact with… I’ll bet you really have a wonderful, fulfilling life at home, huh?

By Icy Stars

October 5, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

Bush’s dog looks suspiciously like that poor mutt that Lyndon Johnson held up by the ears.

Who ever heard of a terrier who held a grudge?

By Icy Stars

October 5, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

Cartoon idea: Show an underage stand-up comic on stage and he’s saying, “Last nite I saw an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in there I’ll never know”.

By getalife

October 5, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

I would strongly suggest censoring the children from the news to protect them from the evil example the gop sets.

Yes, these people are evil and you do not want your children to be exposed to these evil doers.

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

It’s hard to believe nobody realizes that the dog in the doodle has no balls, figuratively or literally, so this isn’t Barney it’s Miss Beasley.

ml also must figure we will be Iran soon so he left the last letter off so that he can reuse this one when he calls for us to surrender there.

Goldie,

Are you serious? If President Bush had invaded the UAE, which you call our sworn enemy, even I would be calling for his impeachment and a long stretch in a mental facility.

By Brian Curtis

October 5, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

Yep, right on schedule! There’s the desperately confused rant from some poor soul who confuses “anti-Bush” with “anti-American” again, when in fact they’re polar opposites.

It’s the PRO-Bush people who are anti-American, folks; try to keep it straight, no matter how twisted your minds are.

By Cal

October 5, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

Luckovich pandering to lunatic libs day in and day out. Maybe it’s the other way around. Simple minded libs do like their celebrities no matter how stupid they are.

Liberal fan clubs fanning each other’s hysteria.

By getalife

October 5, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

Leave it to a pervert to look for the dog’s balls.

Shees.

By w00t

October 5, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

This whole thing is pretty much summed up by this quote:

“Nothing will change in Washington until it’s recognized that the ultimate driving force behind most politicians is obtaining and holding power.”

By Truthman

October 5, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

So, the Newter, always a paragon of virtue, says the Dems have done much worse.

Hey Cheater-Newt, how about letting either of your ex-wives comment on that!!

And some stupid, white person from Wisconsin believes we should arm our teachers!

Why is it you never see black folk come up with such stupid stuff as that…and Laura Mallory in Loganville…another stupid, white person. It’s always the white folk who take to streets over really obtuse issues, like “Roy’s Rock” in Alabama a few years ago. Never was there a black person dumb enough to go down to Montgomery and try to guard the rock.

Branch Davidians! Polygamist Mormons, Christianist fascists, Harry Potter book banners, Newt, Mark Foley and Dick Cheney…Stupid, White People!!

Black folk have enough sense to know what issues are real…poverty, self-sufficiency, incarceration rate of the young, black male, living wages, corporate welfare and greed and needless wars that black folk fight more than rich, white kids.

By Groucho

October 5, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

At least Foley completed his military service. He was in special forces. (a real Kung-fu grip).

By Sicko Liberals

October 5, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

By Goldie October 5, 2006 09:58 AM Sicko Andy I’ll bet you really have a wonderful, fulfilling life at home, huh?

Goldilocks cites a study with some man/boy lovers telling everyone that they’re not man/boy lovers and I’m the one with the “problem.”

Yeah, O.K.

Do any of you liberals realize what these man/boy lovers are up to, the same man/boy lovers you defended to the death until you found a Republican that was interested in man/boy love?

They think it is their “right” (what a wonderful word you libs have created) to guide young boys into homosexuality as a “favor” to the child’s proper upbringing.

The same man/boy lovers that the libs and ACLU stuck up for.

By @@

October 5, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

RW: I saw Goldie’s post on the UAE and couldn’t find it in my liberal heart to point out what should have been obvious to her, but my conservative mind was saying WTF?

By RaisinBran

October 5, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

Republicans have one hand in a childs pants and the other on your wallet!

No truer words have been better said than these.

By Shawny

October 5, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

“Nothing will change in Washington until it’s recognized that the ultimate driving force behind most politicians is obtaining and holding power.”

Wow! Finally, after all the entries, I can agree with w00t about something.

By Paul

October 5, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

Aren’t the Foley comments starting to recycle - so maybe it’s time to concentrate on a new discussion, such as today’s cartoon?

Interesting in that it accurately reflects the opinion of a large number of Americans (disengage from Iraq) but it does a disservice in that it sets up a false choice - either stay in Iraq and keep doing what we’re doing or leave. Possibly that’s how Mr. Luckovich sees it, but my impression (various polls, news reports) is that a substantial number of Americans want disengagement along with a stable Iraq - whatever form that may take. Neither the administration nor the Democratic leadership have outlined such a strategy.

On a brighter note, just read a wire service story stating Army/Marine Corps have written new doctrinal guidance, drawing on lessons learned from Iraq, stating how to conduct future conventional war turned insurgency turned nationbuilding operations.

By getalife

October 5, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

It does not matter if they are perverts or can’t govern anything.

I have come to a conclusion that the wingnuts will vote gop out of spite, regardless of the massive destruction to our country.

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Sicko Andy, you really know an awful lot about man/boy love and all of the associations involved with supporting you, huh? You really need some strong drugs!

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Maybe someone here can tell us how many Sept. 11th hijackers were from Saudi Arabia and the UAE… oh, and how many were from IRAQ? Just curious if any of you know the data on this.

By getalife

October 5, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

You can hear good vs evil on this clip

By Suicide Liberals

October 5, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

See, I told you the liberals and the terrorists had a lot in common:

Khameini: Don’t masturbate during Ramadan Iran’s supreme leader answers questions on masturbation and other topics on his website Deliberate masturbation during the month of Ramadan renders a fast invalid, Iranian Supreme Leader Sayyid Ali Khameini has ruled.

Hey pinkos, this is where the thirteen year old wife comes in handy, if you haven’t stoned her to death yet.

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Eric Rudolph is from North Carolina, when do you want to invade?

By Suicide Liberals

October 5, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

By Goldie October 5, 2006 10:34 AM Maybe someone here can tell us how many Sept. 11th hijackers were from Saudi Arabia and the UAE… oh, and how many were from IRAQ? Just curious if any of you know the data on this.

I know how many of them were Islamic looneys.

Are you an Islamic loonie too, Goldilocks, or does living in America preclude you from that designation?

By Rich

October 5, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

Goldie, are you that simple minded? Within each country in the Middle East there are factions that operate independent of the governments. Kind of like you libs here in the U.S. A painful ingrown toenail.

By rushncap

October 5, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

Lying politicians are the norm, @@, therefore you don’t care if they lie. Good good, glad to hear. I guess your ire, like Danish’s, is directed more at Democrats who “maybe” knew something (though there is no real evidence that they did) rather than against the guy who actually did the harassment. Sickos, both of you.

As for “idealism”, if it’s idealistic to think that maybe, just maybe, those in power should be competent and should be held responsible for their horrendous failures, then I guess I’m an idealist. What’s your alternative: support corruption and lies because they talk about “Jebus” once in a while (between bouts of hitting on young boys and sending other young boys to die)? Good for you, @@.

Finally, war is not “inevitable”. Some wars are. You are a fool if you think any war anyone cares to start is “inevitable”.

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

I guess none of you Neo-con nut-cases know how many of the hijackers were trained, funded, and supported by the country of IRAQ…

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

Your guy W said: If you harbor terrorists, you are a terrorist

And yes, I do believe that the American government (via the FBI) “invaded” North Carolina in order to catch you Neo-cons’ hero, Eric Rudolph… geez, y’all really need to catch up on your reading!

By getalife

October 5, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

More good vs evil

By @@

October 5, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

Truthman: Being white, I seem to place greater confidence in black Americans than you do.

Black clergy gathering to fight gay matrimony I’m for compromise on this one. Civil unions.

Black Homeschooling on the Rise

Why Black Christians Shouldn’t Celebrate Kwanzaa

You’re problem seems to be with religion but yet they pursue it.

We’ve all been brought to where we are today through moral decline supported by liberal policies. It needs to stop. Blacks realize that. You?

Man, I enjoyed linking those. I get all excited when I think of uniting for a worthwhile cause.

It gives me goosebumps. Anti-religion Americans will call them goosesteps.

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

Some more reading regarding W’s rhetoric about “harboring terrorists” — So NOW he’s concerned about “sovereign nations”, is he?:

But Bush’s rhetoric seems inconsistent with the 2005 statements of his then-CIA director Porter Goss, who said that the Bush administration has an “excellent idea” where Osama bin Laden is, but that it was difficult to capture him because of “sanctuaries in sovereign nations.”

Info that you might not be getting from Fox News or Oxycontin Limbaugh…

By getalife

October 5, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Hastert said: “I think the base has to realize after awhile, who knew about it? Who knew what, when? When the base finds out who’s feeding this monster, they’re not going to be happy. The people who want to see this thing blow up are ABC News and a lot of Democratic operatives, people funded by George Soros.”

Sigh.

w is speaking about no child left behind.

Insert joke here………..

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

If your idea of a successful invasion/manhunt is to send FBI agents on a five year fishing trip until a guy gets caught dumpster diving by a rookie cop, then I sure hope you don’t have the gall to put down out special forces trying to track down OBL in Afghanistan again.

rushncap,

Speaking of OBL and your new found penchant for holding leaders accountable, what do think about Billy Jeff repeatedly passing on Osama?

By @@

October 5, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

rushncap: Did you miss the part of my post where I mentioned a “serrated knife”? Obviously. My opinion on this is that Foley is “a sick individual” not a member of any political party. If it’s revealed that Hastert knew and did nothing, I’ll blame Hastert and whomever else knew.

If it’s revealed through investigation of Buy Danish’s link that the Democrats were complicit in withholding information for political purposes who will be to blame in your view?

I pointed out that you might be naive and idealistic, and you call me a “fool”? Like, what is that….liberal diplomacy? The kind you’d use in international negotiations if you were a world leader?

I’m thinking Chavez, Ahmadenijad and that little Ill fella. A remarkable resemblance. No?

By anita

October 5, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

Great toon Mike, you are truly talented. “Thirteen American soldiers killed in the last 3 days in war on terror”. A top army official said this morning, that this has been one of the bloodiest weeks ever in Iraq. But the republicants won’t focus on what’s important, which should be the lives of our wonderful servicemen and women. Republicans don’t value life, all they value is money and power, and molesting young boys. Shame on this administration, and all who support them. That family and Christian values crap is not selling anymore. Besides most of us have more morals and values in our tiny finger than they can ever hope for.

God bless America

By rushncap

October 5, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

I don’t tend to read Danish’s links, since the vast majority of them have the credibility of a Soviet newspaper. So I have no idea what the link is talking about other than the headline. But, rest assured, if there is good reason to think that a Democrat sexually harassed his underage pages, I would call for his removal as well.

And @@, I don’t engage in “diplomacy”. I’m not a diplomat. And neither are you. If I were a world leader, I would choose my words more carefully. Thankfully I’m allowed to be brutally honest on here without much reprecussion.

I don’t know whether there are physical similarities between leaders of Iran, Venezuela and North Korea, nor do I know why it would matter either way.

By Islamic SpokesPinko

October 5, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

By Goldie October 5, 2006 10:49 AM I guess none of you Neo-con nut-cases know how many of the hijackers were trained, funded, and supported by the country of IRAQ…

We are all lucky to have our great leader George W Bush who is smart enough to know that the terrorists, like Goldilocks, are simpletons and would come to Iraq to be slaughtered at the whim of the “great Satan.”

Instead of crushing themselves to death with our airplanes and skyscrapers.

That’s why these pinkos are all upset, 1) because they terrorists aren’t killing any of you and 2) the United States is winning.

They hate the very thought.

You can tell^^.

By Truthman

October 5, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

What does cheating have to do with religion?

I could care less about religion - and I wasn’t even referring to religion - I was referring to hypocracy and how it seems only white folk, and, agreed, a very few fringe black folk, get all riled up about stuff that doesn’t belong in politics.

BTW, I represent all races. I reject labels placed on me by census-takers, clergy and anthropoligists. We all started out Black about 2,000 generations ago!!

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

“If your idea of a successful invasion/manhunt is to send FBI agents on a five year fishing trip until a guy gets caught dumpster diving by a rookie cop, then I sure hope you don’t have the gall to put down out special forces trying to track down OBL in Afghanistan again.”

By the way, RW— great success in Iraq and Afghanistan, huh?!!! Your guy W really knows what he’s doing with our military forces, huh?

By getalife

October 5, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

Told ya they are evil

By @@

October 5, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

Goldie: In response to your 10:49. If you took the time to look forward instead of backwards you might find something positive.

Al Qaeda Tries To Defend Its Base Take note of the word “tries”.

“Saudi-U.S. Relations and the Way Ahead” Prince Turki al Faisal Take note of the term “Way Ahead”.

If we’re successful in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Middle East just might look a lot better than it has in the past.

It’s only a suggestion….Foresight or hindsight?

By George

October 5, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

Hey wait, Rep Foley was for No Child left behind wasn’t he?

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Would you prefer to reinstate the Taliban and Saddam?

Frankly I saw two tremendously successful military operations. We won both of those wars in record time. What we are doing now is what the administration has said all along. We are fighting terrorists in what will be a long and difficult process. It might surprise you to know that President Bush said this very thing in the speech you deride him for on the aircraft carrier.

By Republican Family Values

October 5, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

What’s hiliarious is watching the wingnut kiddie trollers trying to emulate Clinton, now. ‘I guess it depends on what your definition of pedophile is’.

According to Republicans here, Perversion without contact is not pedophilia. To be a pervert, a Republican really has to make actual contact when they are trolling for kiddies. Republicans have traveled so far down the partisan road that they will excuse away ANYTHING in order to avoid responsiblilty for their actions.

Do we really want to elect politicians who can’t admit that trolling for sex with children under their care is perverted and that pedophilia does not require actual physical contact? Clintonian word definitions will not help Republicans now. Let’s get the perverts and blind partisan shills out of Washington, vote anything but Republican ! ! !

By Lord Help Us

October 5, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

@@, Define ‘Success’ in Iraq.

The Bush administration has lowered expectations so far that ‘Success’ could mean almost anything…

By Keep Your Republican Paws Off My Child's Behind

October 5, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

George- I think that Foley and King George actually said ‘No Child Left a Behind’ but there was a typo.

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

Yeah, Getalife— look at how knowledgeable and obsessed Sicko Andy is regarding the man/boy love groups… really creepy!

By Lord Help Us

October 5, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

@@, Nevermind…According to RW-(crispy) we already won the war in Iraq ‘in record time.’

Whew…glad that’s over!

By getalife

October 5, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

RW,

It is Frist waving the white flag to the taliban. Plus, oxyhead Ruuusssshhhh wants to cut and run out of Baghdad. It seems your argument is silly as usual.

As for as Saddam, I would not be surprised if they break him out.

By democratic Family Hypocrisy

October 5, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

Talking about voices in your head:

By Republican Family Values October 5, 2006 11:41 AM According to Republicans here, Perversion without contact is not pedophilia.

Anybody care to show us where this happened?

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

Iraqi poll: Majority tells U.S. to leave- IMMEDIATE EXIT WOULD IMPROVE SAFETY, THEY SAY

And there’s also a poll released last week that shows that 60% of the Iraqis are IN FAVOR of daily killing of American forces — how do you Neo-Cons ever sleep at night, knowing that our sons and daughters are stuck in YOUR POLITICAL QUAGMIRE and being blown up everyday due to your unwillingness to look at the truth?

By Scooter

October 5, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

Define ‘success’ in Iraq? it has been defined in the most general terms while the details have changed. Stand up a government that can defend the Iraqi Constitution would be a success. Are you dense with hate?

By Creepy Is ACLU

October 5, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

By Goldie October 5, 2006 11:49 AM Yeah, Getalife— look at how knowledgeable and obsessed Sicko Andy is regarding the man/boy love groups… really creepy!

Huh.

The only “knowledge,” which is widely available on this thing they call the Internet, points to this man/boy deal being a purely democratic project, with the ACLU and pinko judges leading the way.

So if Goldilocks finds this to be “creepy,” she must be fixin to join the Republican Party.

Welcome aboard, Goldilocks!!

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

LHU,

We won the war WITH Iraq in record time. Care to dispute that?

getalife,

For the love of God would you try to just once lay off the fever swamp talking points and get an actual fact.

By Scott

October 5, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

The chimp has just burped up a speech on “No Child Left Behind.” How fitting. And toothless has just arrived in Iraq. It’s all just getting sweeter.

By This Guy Knows Rushncrap

October 5, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

Had an old thought, when reading about John Kerry wowin’ ’em at Ohio State University. He urged the kids, “Take back Ohio! Take back our country!” They went wild, of course. And the old thought is this — one that I had even when I was in college: Aren’t Democrats ever embarrassed that their best and most enthusiastic audiences are the most stupid people in America — I mean, the most inexperienced, least knowledgeable, and least mature? I mean, doesn’t it ever bother them to know that, if they really want or need an adulatory audience, they can always go to a college campus?

By George

October 5, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

Oh no, sounds like Andy is off his meds again. Better hide the women and children just in case.

By @@

October 5, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

rushncap: There are no physical similarities in those three tyrrants. Unfounded verbal rhetoric against the U.S., and delivered in an ignorant manner.

Truthman: “Stupid white people,” but no “stupid black people?” Fair and balanced? I’m thinking biased.

Branch Davidians-Isolated Radical religion

Polygamist Mormons-Lawbreaking sect

Christian Facists-An unfounded paranoid exaggeration.

I have no idea why you seem to have such a problem with cheating husbands. I’ll leave that one alone.

My family has been listed as black in the last two census. I’m insulted that they would ask, so I insult their need to know. I may be Mexican next time around. That’ll confuse ‘em.

I’m a green-eyed, olive complected, brunette American female, married, mother. Any information beyond that is none of their business.

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

Here’s how much W cares about what the Iraqi people think and the wreckage he’s caused in America:

“I like to tell people when the final history is written on Iraq, it will look like just a comma because there is — my point is, there’s a strong will for democracy.”

I guess somewhere there’s a right-wing “historian” who is claiming that the war in Viet Nam was “just a comma” on the way to obtaining their freedom from our occupation.

By We Report, We Pinko

October 5, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

Is there any doubt who’s side Fox “news” is on?

When Did Hastert Know? Foley scandal charges, denials dog embattled House speaker as cracks show in GOP’s support

By Thomas

October 5, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

Hey George —

I think it was “No Child Behind Left”.

Sorry folks - Foley is GoP’s problem - They own him, have used him to promote their family values agenda, have touted him as an icon of integrity, so they are ultimatly responsible for his actions if their fellow party member burns them. If they find out about one of their own doing bad things and do nothing, then they will have to suck it up and take the hit when it finally leaks out such as in this case. The same is occurring in the Abramof case as well.

(Facts)

1) Foley is a Republican.

2) Foley was in a position of power for the public.

3) Foley abused his position and office and possibly broke the law.

4) Foley got caught and now faces that responsibility for his actions.

5) Others may be culpable as well if they abused their position of office by not reporting the issues as is their duty to.

Republicans can slant it any way they want, but it was their man that did the wrong and he is now their responsibility to settle. If they continue to try and make it look like the Democrats fault (that Foley is a freaky pervert), then all they do is bring suspicion on the very people trying to point fingers.

In any office in the world, should an employer send such messages to an employee, then they can be sued for sexual harrassment. Not only that, the employee can sue the company itself.

Good luck Republicans — your gonna need it!

Thomas

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

Speaking of the oh so tolerant and inclusionary Democrats. I think Meryl has been blogging here for a while.

By Lord Help Us

October 5, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

Thanks for clearing that up RW-(crispy)…

Thirteen U.S. soldiers have been killed in Baghdad since Monday, the American military reported, registering the highest three-day death toll for U.S. forces in the capital since the start of the war. The latest losses — four soldiers who were killed at 9 a.m. Wednesday by small-arms fire — are part of a recent spike in violent attacks against U.S. forces that have claimed the lives of at least 24 soldiers and Marines in Iraq since Saturday, the military said.

The number of planted bombs is “at an all-time high,” said Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell, a military spokesman, defying American efforts to stanch the vicious sectarian bloodshed in Baghdad that threatens to plunge the country into civil war. “This has been a hard week for U.S. forces,” Independent databases showed the three-day toll for American troops to be the highest in Baghdad so far.

You wingnuts have a LOW threshold for ‘success.’

By We Report, We Pinko

October 5, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

BAGHDAD, Iraq — Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, making an {{{{election-season}}}}} visit to Iraq, said Thursday she will tell its leaders they have limited time to settle political differences spurring sectarian and insurgent violence.-Fox”News”

Campaigning in Baghdad, eh?

These pinkos are so damn stupid that they don’t realize 1) Iraqis can’t vote in the United States November elections, 2) Baghdad is supposed to be in chaos, WTF is the Secretary of State hanging out there, shaking hands and kissing babies for? Shouldn’t she be shreiking in terror like Fox “News” and all the rest of you filthy pinkos?

By @@

October 5, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

I’m also 4’8” and 326 lbs.

By @@

October 5, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

LHU: Success in Iraq will be dependent on the determination of the people and their governments. The majority of Iraqis support their governments efforts. The government wants troop support. The different ethnic factions are the ones fighting for oil rights. They’re the ones killing “each other” for equal representation within their governments.

Damn, that sounds like a burdgeoning Democracy suffering growing pains, doesn’t it?

By Truthman

October 5, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

You have no idea why I have a problem with cheating husbands (and wives)?

Say what!?!

Christian sects advocating the murder of abortion doctors, praying to cardboard cutouts of Dubya, prostating themselves in front of rocks, cheering for AIDS, Torture and War and beleiving their god is superior…I’d call that Christianist Fascism!

What do you call that?

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

{{We are all lucky to have our great leader George W Bush who is smart enough to know that the terrorists, like Goldilocks, are simpletons and would come to Iraq to be slaughtered at the whim of the “great Satan.”}}

You’re too hilarious, Sicko Andy— you obviously believe in the “fly-paper strategy” about occupying a foreign country, as well as some other myths like “we’re fighting them over there”… please be sure to share your brilliance with the citizens of Britain, Spain and Malaysia. They’ll really get a good laugh, too, I’m sure.

By Are The Libs Against The Vagi-na Monologues Now?

October 5, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

Vagina monologues- Amherst Student Online: Some controversy was also raised by a certain piece, “The Little Cootie Snorcher That Could,” which detailed a 13-year-old lesbian girl’s sexual awakening via a sexual encounter with a 24-year-old woman. Several students discussed the concept that the situation is technically considered statutory rape, which might have been more apparent had the anecdote included men. Krull told The Student that she was glad that it sparked dialogue on related issues, and explained that “while there are cases where [a situation like this] are abusive, in this particular case it was something that enhanced this young girl’s life.”

Come on libbies, let’s hear the outrage.

We’re listening.

By Another Murtha Email

October 5, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

Statement by Murtha not holding Reuters is reporting that higher command considered an aerial bombardment in support of the ‘Haditha 8’ Marine squad because the firefight with the insurgents was so intense that day. The following statements are attributed to Maj. Sam Carrasco, who was overseeing troop movements in the area that day.

Link here

By Lord Help Us

October 5, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

Did our mission in Iraq call for creating a unifying cause for terrorists around the world, increasing the number of terrorists around the world and creating training grounds for terrorists in Iraq? With no end in sight…

I would call that the definition of failure NOT success.

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

GOP: “The buck will never stop here!”

By Goldilocks, Pinko Encyclopedia

October 5, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

By Goldie October 5, 2006 12:32 PM You’re too hilarious, Sicko Andy— you obviously believe in the “fly-paper strategy” about occupying a foreign country, as well as some other myths like “we’re fighting them over there”… please be sure to share your brilliance with the citizens of Britain, Spain and Malaysia. They’ll really get a good laugh, too, I’m sure.

I don’t remember Bush winning the presidential elections in Britain, Spain and Malaysia.

Damn he’s good!

By Thomas

October 5, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

Wow —-

I’m sorry — let me make a prediction,,, After we leave Iraq, then Democracy will fail, there will be a civil war, then the victor will establish another monarchy, or dictatorship.

If we do not have troops remain in control of Iraq and Afghanistan forever and/or make them a territory of the USA, then there is no way to keep Democracy in those countrys.

When we leave those (sovereign) countrys to their own government, it will not be long before they revert back to their “traditional” tribal ways as their society has been for 5000+ years. There ar so many different tribal factions with their individual warlords, that I doubt there is any way they could all work together and maintain a common government for very long.

Next point! - We went into Iraq looking for WMD - Not for overthrowing and intalling a government in another country. If our purpose there was to invade and overthrow the government, then we are definitly the aggressors and invaders and quite possibly war criminals. You can try and color it as we are great liberators, but we are not! We are invaders in Iraq!

Afghanistan is a different story. We had every justification in the world to attack Afghanistan after 9-11. But we cannot remain in afghanistan as an occupier, for eventually that country too will become impossible to control. Just ask the Russians and see what happened to their great military armies in afghanistan against the warlords.

Bush and the PNAC think-tank boys failed - and I doubt history will be very kind to them in the long run. This will most likely go down in history as a Presidency of War aggresion, military blunders, lobbyist corruption, scandals, and failures.

Thomas

By getalife

October 5, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

Tomorrow is protest day

By Huge

October 5, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

So young adults in college are the “most stupid people in America”! That’s pretty amazing! Who knew?

I think it’s actually the morons like suck - uneducated/high-school dropouts, un-read (except for the simpler portions of the bible) and never-employed full-time bloggers from Marietta…

One last comment from me on the nutjob Foley.

It is truly a shame that the “new” gop is now so replete with charlatans and frauds; it hurts our nation, our children and our legitimacy in the world. And that is very serious.

But it’s downright comical to watch the perverted enablers like the bigot giving lip service to child predators, while spinning like a child’s top trying to blame anybody and everybody else; and suck, who doesn’t even make the pretense of caring about children…

By bon scott

October 5, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

Great cartoon! Truman once said if you want a friend in Washington, get a dog. Bush is lucky to have that.

getalife, the crooks&liars site on repuke blogs outing Foley’s lust victims says so MUCH about the “noble opposition”! And Crispy describing a US “victory” in Iraq is… ummm.. delusional?

By Goldie - October 5, 2006 10:27 AM - Sicko Andy, you really know an awful lot about man/boy love and all of the associations involved with supporting you, huh? You really need some strong drugs!

Yeah, I agree with you and George. Get him off the booze and the meth and into a controlled environment where his diseases can be treated. They can work on his delusions of grandeur, too. The only people who read his ‘cut’ posts are Crispy and that Bi racist. Pathetic. He puts so much work into them.

And he really MUST do something about his sexual preoccupations.

By Creepy Andy - October 4, 2006 04:17 PM - …a rippled muscle bound colossus, a finely tuned well running machine from continued dominating usage.

The poor guy’s an obsessive substance abusing pederast. All there is to it. We should be thankful that he sticks to his keyboard from sunrise to sunset (typing one handed, no doubt!) and isn’t out driving.

Or worse.

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

getaclue,

October 5th is TODAY, you’re going to be awfully lonely out there burning your flag tomorrow.

By This Guy Knows Blowhard

October 5, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

I thought these pinkos didn’t read my posts??

And the old thought is this — {{{{one that I had even when I was in college:}}}} Aren’t Democrats ever embarrassed that their best and most enthusiastic audiences are the most stupid people in America?

Some people grow up and remove their heads from their as-ses (Republicans) and some people don’t (democrats.)

By rushncap

October 5, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

Makakawitz, RW? That’s damn funny. I actually laughed at that one. In fact, I might just keep calling Allen that. Until he loses the election and slinks back into obscurity, where he belongs.

By This Guy Knows Blowhard

October 5, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

I read at least ten publications every day, 75% Conservative, 25% liberal trying to get to the truth and educate myself with facts. I do not hide my links, I provide them to you as a challenge to dispute them. They stand on their own merit.

Blowhard huge babbles on and on like a pompous broken record, never providing us with facts only assurances.

Guess what Gasbag said this:

I think it’s actually the morons like suck - uneducated/high-school dropouts, un-read (except for the simpler portions of the bible) and never-employed full-time bloggers from Marietta…

Boring.

By rushncap

October 5, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

So that’s where you’ve had your head, li’l andy, since childhood?

And you’re right, Democrats don’t remove our heads from our as-ses. That’s what happens when you don’t have your head up there to begin with. Do let us know how the surgery goes, li’l one. We’ll send you a balloon, or something.

By RE

October 5, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this

Thomas, I agree with most of your views on the eventual outcome of the war in Iraq. I do think however that the plan now is to continue the war through the Bush presidency as he has indicated no matter what. That way it becomes the next administration’s problem, not his, along with the looming crush of foriegn debt that is accumulating as interest rates rise.

I do not know why anyone would want to be the next president, they are going to inherit a country in a terrible state financially and militarally. The most important point for this administration is to be able to lay blame for thier failures and poor choices on a future administration. They will have the solid vocal chorus saying we would have won in Iraq if we stayed the course, therefore the loss is because of….(chose one) liberal media, democratic congress, democratic president.

By Scooter

October 5, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

RE, like Nixon seems to get the blame for Vietnam?

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 5, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

Come on, Andy. Even YOU don’t try to pretend you have an education. You hate the education system and would prefer if everyone was “educated” in a religious cult where they preach hatred and fables to children (see Muslim schools in the Middle East). If you had at least been to college for a couple of semesters you would know how to discern between the rubbish and real info in those “periodicals” you read, but obviously that is not the case. It is utterly amusing when someone with absolutely no education always believes he’s an expert on the subject. What are your credentials? Answer: you don’t have any. It’s almost as good as RW last night trying to argue with people who actually know something about science. His retort was to close his eyes, put his hands over his ears, and repeat “nah-ah” over and over. He just made it apparent that he has slightly less knowledge about science than someone with an associates degree in basket weaving.

By Scooter

October 5, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

Thomas, I would say the reason for going into Iraq was to remove the threat of Saddam with WMDs. Do you remember the 48 hour ultimatum for Saddam and his sons to leave Iraq prior to our invasion?

By rushncap

October 5, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

Scooter, well it’s convenient that Iraq had no WMDs and Saddam was not a threat, ain’t it?

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

RE,

Do we only get to choose one from that list? Why aren’t Democrats out there running on a message of defunding the war and bringing home the troops? It seems to me that if the vast majority of people feel that way it would be foolish not to say it.

Come to think of it, is there ANYTHING Democrats are saying they will do?

Could it be that this notion that the vast majority feels this way is just another liberal fantasy? Compare getalife’s protest with Vietnam era protests and you’ll see what I mean, and I’ll even let use today’s crowd instead of the one man show from getaclue tomorrow.

By rushncap

October 5, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

BTW, anyone else notice that Buddy stole his master’s crayons, but seems to be a better speller?

Just pointing it out…

By This Guy Knows OoTMWoTB

October 5, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

By One of the Major Wankers of This Blog October 5, 2006 01:22 PM Come on, Andy. Even YOU don’t try to pretend you have an education.

Yeah, that’s why you spend all your time disputing what I say instead of abusing the women on this blog.

Wait a minute, no you don’t…

rushncrap: Gawd, for someone who survives on bullsh-it, you had better hope home schooling never becomes the norm.

By getalife

October 5, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

RW,

Ooops.

By Thomas

October 5, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

RE -

Yeah I definitly hear you on this… I am almost tempted to vote Republican in the next presidential election. I mean why should we clean up their mess.

In my view the ideal situation would be to have a Democrat/Libertarian controlled congress and senate, with a truly good and true-conservative Republican President. That way the senate can truly debate and watchdog proposed issues of legislation fairly. This way the President can actually lead the country wisely in world matters that are now in chaos and perhaps clean it up a bit.

Without good leadership and true debate between the parties then we once again end up with the “rubberstamping of legislation” effect that is currently in play. This rubberstamping has allowed way too much corruption and personal self-serving legislation get passed during this administration, and definitly has not been in the interest of the American people. It has helped run the big buisness, congressional, and lobbyist money-laundering scheme instead. Can we say “Give me Five!” - I knew you could!

Good points on the state of the nation there RE —-

Thomas

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

Oh no whatever will I do? The idiot stalker boy is questioning my education again.

Stall mopper OotMVoD,

Next time you’re talking to one of these science wizards ask them how an uneducated oaf like me was able to reduce them to posting random google searches instead of attempting to answer a very simple question.

By @@

October 5, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this

@@: a/k/a Namejacker @12:19 is in search of “the other white meat”. I laughed, so your effort to deceive was worth it.

Truthman gives us hysterical exaggeration @ 12:27 which in no way, describes the majority of America’s christians.

I hope there are some outside Christian observers who can get a view of the lies the left tells about us.

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

By rushncap October 5, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this BTW, anyone else notice that Buddy stole his master’s crayons, but seems to be a better speller?

Isn’t Buddy the dog Billy Jeff bought to pretend he was just a regular guy during impeachment and then had killed once he was out of office?

These super-intellects are really showing us today boy! /sarc

By rushncap

October 5, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

RW, at least you admit you’re an “uneducated oaf”. Maybe the first truthful thing you’ve posted in weeks.

Feel free to report me to mommy again.

By rushncap

October 5, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

Ah yes, Buddy was the wrong Presidential dog. Freudian slip: I was wishing Clinton was still in office, I guess. Oops. Three cheers for RW, folks. 2 right statements in the same day. I’m assuming there’s going to be a parade wherever he lives.

By Thomas

October 5, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

Scooter -

I remember it quite well - I also remember Rummy and Bush pushing the ultimatum deadline with no chance of compromise. But why is this administration now saying our reasons for being in Iraq is to spread Democracy while downplaying that WMD thing we told the world as our reason for “invading” a sovereign country?

RW -

That 1:28 was absolute garbage.

I know of many Democrats currently in Iraq fighting right alongside the Republicans. As to funding, well the current administration controls that along with their Haliburton/Bechtel buddies.

There are lots of Democrats screaming at the top of their lungs about bringing the troops home, and ending this, but they have no power and authority (or control) to do this. Only the Republicans have that power at present time since they control Congress and the Whitehouse. But the Republicans truly have no interest in doing so at this time as it is not to their (and their corporate buddys) interest.

And would it truly surprise you that most Democrats (even your hippies andy) support our troops? We see protest against the war, but do you see protestors (as in the 60’s) going after soldiers and calling them baby killers here? No you see Democrats right beside the Republicans cheering their son’s and daughters when the troops come back in from the front.

I supported this Presidents cause 100% in the invasion of Afghanistan after 9-11. Heck I wanted us to do something about the Taliban even before Bush was in office, when they started destroying priceless art and ancient artifacts in the name of their cultist religeon. Relics that had been around 3000+ years.

But Iraq was not a war for America, Iraq was Dubya’s and the PNAC’s personal war that was pre-planned long before Bush became President. And I and many other americans never wanted us to invade Iraq and don’t like us being there today. And I fault both the Republican and Democrat senators that didn’t do their duty and allowed this foolish war to happen.

Thomas

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

{{Do you remember the 48 hour ultimatum for Saddam and his sons to leave Iraq prior to our invasion?}}

Very similar to the neighborhood bully saying “I dare you to cross this line”, Scooter. What a great way for the world’s “superpower” to behave, huh? Just bullying all the other countries in the world.

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Let me know when you’ve seen the answer to the question you asked this morning.

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

GOP: “So many blunders, so few hours every day!”

By Lord Help Us

October 5, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

RW-(the obfuscator), Hey, if the shoe fits…

By RE

October 5, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

Actually RW, there have been several plans put out there by the dems concerning Iraq. Murtha pushes fazed redeployment, which seems to be what Gen Abazaid wants as well. I have also heard some say that Iraq be broken into 3 states with a loose federal system as well.

Now, what have the republicans but foward as a plan in Iraq? The only thing I have seen are bumpersticker catch phrases such as “stay the course” and “Victory”. Of course if you ask what victory means, things get a little vague. It seems like out strategy right now is to keep just enough troops there to agitate insurgents, but not enough to actually provide peace or secure the borders. They will not ask for more troops to be put in, they will not pull the troops out, they just leave them there in insufficent numbers and try to spin the news to say everything is getting better when it is actually getting worse. Not much of a strategy.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 5, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

Yes, Andy, I do enjoy abusing women on this site, especially you. You go, girl!

I rarely dispute what you say because most of it is so obviously asinine that it provides a source of humor. Pointing out the hypocrisy, misguided mindset, ignorance, fear, and hatred in your thought process is enough, without lowering myself to debate your nonsense.

By the way, you never told us how you became such an expert on education. Was it the three years you spent learning to read while being indoctrinated into the Flowery Branch Davidians? Please, enlighten us as to your expertise.

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

{{RE, like Nixon seems to get the blame for Vietnam?}}

No, Scooter-pooter, that would be dear ole LBJ for lying about the situation and continuing to escalate the war, all the while knowing that it wasn’t our war to begin with — you can’t stop a national insurgency against a foreign occupying force — just like your guy W knows and keeps letting our American sons and daughters die in the middle of another country’s civil war.

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

Speaking of loads of crap, I didn’t say a word about the soldiers that are fighting.

The House controls the funding not the President and if you want to end the war all you’ve got to do is defund it. A few Democrats have said quietly that’s what they plan to do already. So as I asked RE, why aren’t they loudly campaigning on that if that is truly what the people want?

Now after you read that, type a few hundred words telling me I’m wrong about the Easter bunny or whatever you see in my comment.

By Midori

October 5, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

LOL

Wonderful toon.

Thanks, Mike :)

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 5, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

RW,

I wasn’t questioning your education; I was questioning your lack of one. I do note that you’ve never provided a response to the inquiry concerning how and where you acquired such vast scientific proficiency.

By posting google searches they were dumbing down the information for you once you made it apparent you did not have the capacity to process the actual scientific text. They were simplifying for you in response to your “nah-ah” responses.

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

RE,

So you go with Mothra’s call for IMMEDIATE redeployment over the horizon. By the way, it was a horizon over 5,ooo miles away in a place that doesn’t want the number of our troops that are already there.

The redeployment he called for wasn’t phased or even, as you say, fazed.

By Cam-run

October 5, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

Mike, get your personal pooper scooper out. There’s a lot of stale dog doo in the liberals yard.

Come to think of it, everything liberal is stale. That’s what happens when you sit idle in plastic.

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

OotMVoD,

If you tell me there is a purple finch (the bird, not the resident psycho) sitting in front of me and there isn’t, I don’t need to be an ornithologist to dispute you.

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

Another desperate attempt to change the Repugnants’ downward spiral into the trash heap:

But the recently found shells, like the previous ones, dated back to before the 1991 Persian Gulf War and were decayed and essentially useless.

Just keep believing in the Easter Bunny and it will all come true, yes?

By @@

October 5, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

Getalife: I’m so glad to see you’ve quit “spitting” after each post. It was costing me a fortune in tissues, not to mention the cost in tree p-p-p-pulp.

By RE

October 5, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

RW,

And the GOP plan for Iraq?

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 5, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

RW,

And if you make it apparent to me that there is an “uneducated oaf” who knows absolutely nothing about science sitting in front of your computer, I don’t have to be a psychologist to recognize it.

By @@

October 5, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Not to mention it was getting my biscuits wet. I’m eating biscuits to cut back on my calories to reduce my weight from 326 to 288.

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

RE,

Go back and look at the answer I have given you the other 6,413 times you asked that.

You libs are eaten up with RQD* these days.

.

*Coming soon to your local ricktionary

By Thomas

October 5, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

RW —

Ok —

Easter Bunny 1) I take it you are totally oblivious to the DC gang’s way of doing politics and the way money is used as a political football. True the house does write the budget, but the lobbyist, the government contractors, and yes even The President himself usually has direct input as to what is actually written into that budget that eventually benefits each of them. Now as to the House (who controls the funds) - it is currently controlled by which party again?? Gee — uhhm I seem to have forgotten -

-Hop- (\/)

EasterBunny 2) De-Funding the war is easy to say, but can we actually implement that without creating even more of a mess? Democrats are definitly trying to figure a way to pull us out of Iraq (while saving face). Defunding may have been discussed (I haven’t heard of that personally) but is it really a feasable option here? Maybe it is, but then again it may screw things up more. If I were running for office I would be careful not to commit to such an action without carefully studying cause and effect. Sure maybe defunding (slowly) is the way to go, but I sure hope it doesn’t leave our troops hanging out on a limb in hostile territory due to lack of supplies.

So RW you say we Democrats should be doing this? Eh? — So I have to ask yet again! — Why should we Democrats be responsible for cleaning up Bush’s Iraqi sandbox mess?

Here’s a link for you to view the current stance on Iraq by the Dem’s.. Yes Vague - I know - but it is election time!

http://www.democrats.org/a/2006/09/democrats_iraq.php

-Hop- -HoP- -=HOP=- -GoP-

The EasterBunny (Leaving Eggs wherever they are needed)

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Stalker boy OotMVoD,

I’m going to be out for a while, why don’t you dazzle the blog with your first ever intelligent comment while I’m gone.

By Paul

October 5, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Goldie at 10:34: I’m sure from the nature of your question you’re aware the majority of the 9-11 hijackers were Saudi. Frankly, that was to be expected - it’s a long history and much too involved for this forum (in level of detail and background, as I gather from the comments many here have not given the subject much serious study) - but, as the House of Saud has for decades supported jihadists/extremists - in part as an ideological conviction and in part to keep the anger and targeting directed away from their government. It is, though, aligned in several major areas with the fundamentalist views of the Iranian leadership (tracing back to the Khomeinist revolution). So what we have now, as compared to just a few years ago, is more brazen, obvious nation-state support for jihadists, as well as several jihadist groups who are not solely dependent upon governments for their support.

A not about the Ba’athist Hussien dictatorship - brutal dictators can be quite efficient in suppressing dissent - political, religious - that threatens their rule. Remove the dictator and the power structure and you see just what exists in Iraq today.

Cheers -

By Flatlined

October 5, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Last nite I felt an elephant in my pajamas. how Foley got in there I’ll never know.

By Flatlined

October 5, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

At lest Foley completed his military service. He was in Special Forces. (a real Kung -fu grip)

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

You never read my links, eh?

Here’s one you may want to open post-haste

Ignorance is bliss, ain’t it TA?

By Les Flaneur

October 5, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Will some reporter ask POTUS, please, “What if only Barney still agrees, then will you change your mind?”

By Thomas

October 5, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

LOL @ Flatlined —

You need to send that (historic) elephant in my pajamma’s joke into the vent —

By Scooter

October 5, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

There were multiple reasons stated for ridding Iraq of Saddam Hussein. But to put it simply, the burden of proof was placed on Saddam to disclose the whereabouts of the WMD’s the entire world knew he had. Rather than disclose, Saddam spat in the face of the world community for twelve years and he was a known risk that would have been unwise to leave in place after 9/11.

Just because Bush and the “media” focused on WMD doesn’t negate the others. Saddam made the UN look corrupt and inefficient, as they are. Had we not invaded, the Oil for Food Program would still be corrupt and Saddam would likely have reconstituted his programs by now. Bush said we could not wait for the threat to become imminent, the media portrayed that he said Iraq was an imminent threat. However, Jay Rockefeller who sat on the Senate Intelligence Committee and former First Lady Hillary Clinton said Iraq was an imminent threat, no peep from the “media”. Does that portray an objectivity? Some prefer that we left Saddam under the watchful eye of the UN to pursue his goals at the cost of his people. By the way, UBL used the Iraqi sanctions as one of the reasons for 9/11. Fortunately we will never see the result of Saddam still ruling Iraq.

P.S. you and RW are typing about defunding the war and political power over money. Have you given the FairTax an honest look see? It would not only take away immeasurable power from Washington and K-Street but would give funding back to the individual consumer, rather than this one or two percent. Look into imbedded costs of taxation, inclusive tax aspects of the program, etc…

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

CLAIM: FILTHY FOLEY ONLINE MESSAGES WERE PAGE PRANK GONE AWRY

This^^is the headline for the multitudes of blissfully ignorant moonbats who don’t open my links. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

{{World Exclusive Must Credit the DRUDGE REPORT

According to two people close to former congressional page Jordan Edmund, the now famous lurid AOL Instant Message exchanges that led to the resignation of Mark Foley were part of an online prank that by mistake got into the hands of enemy political operatives, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal… Developing… }}

By Terrence

October 5, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

Holy Shiite! Paul just voted in favor of brutal dictators and the oppression of free people @ 2:37.

Tell us Paul, is that to save your own a* while others are getting f*cked.

Unfreakinbelievable.

Cheers to you too moron and spare us the long-winded bull*hit trying to hide your communist manifesto.

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

Les Flaneur,

Try putting an “s” after “Flaneur” and we might be impressed with your sophisticated worldliness.

Quel imbecile.

By RE

October 5, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

wow bd, amazing that the guy resigned if he knew it was a prank all along

By RE

October 5, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

RW,

What answer, please link to it if it too much for you to rewrite, because I do not see any change in the planning at all

By Paul

October 5, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

Tell me, Terrence, is that the general tenor of your comments in, say, a university class or a business meeting? Especially a long meeting. Has it been a successful characteristic for success?

You confuse stating an observation with agreement or advocacy (I heard a 10-grade teacher make the same point about Stalin and Hitler. Some of the students - 15 years old - leapt to the same conclusion as yo

By rushncap

October 5, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

Ah, so exposing the corruption of Oil For Food program was worth nearly 3,000 American lives, and tens of thousands of Iraqi lives. It was worth us spending hundreds of billions of dollars, losing our allies, getting involved in a cragmire without any end in sight or smell, pushing millions of moderate Muslims into rabid anti-American camp and creating a heretofore-unimaginably fertile recruiting ground for terrorist organizations around the world.

Wow, Scooter, thanks for exposing just how corrupt that program was.

By just askin'

October 5, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

Question: If the Foley emails were a prank, why did he resign within minutes of being told about them last Friday?

Answer: Because they weren’t faked. He was nailed and knew it.

By Donna

October 5, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

I see that the whiney republican bullies are all out of sorts because the mean old libs are playing nasty!! Its about time that the libs took a page out of the Repug’s playbook.Bet Karl is really surprised by this October surprise.GO LIBS!! THE DIRTIER THE BETTER!Don’t you just have to love it. HA! HA!

By Thomas

October 5, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

Terrence — (or is it schitzo andy?)

No - Paul did not support dictators in his statement!

Paul - clearly pointed out in his post that even dictators are a stabilizing factor in some reagons and that by interferring with that government can cause that region to become un-stable and create chaos and civil wars(such as we see in Iraq) Get a brain dude!

-=-

Scooter —

Yes I have studied Fair Tax quite extensively - and on most all points I agree with such a concept. There are some very important factors that need to be discussed about it that could however cause this to be very bad law.

First - How do we handle Tax Exemptions?

If current Sales Tax exemptions apply, then the first thing I’m going to do is open a church! Yes I’ll open the Church of -uhhm — The Holy BBq’ Platter — (lol)

Next - How do we handle tax write-offs for buisiness expenses?

This is an area that can be greatly abused by good corporate lawyers as they find the loopholes. Very dangerous indeed! Give them an inch and they will definitly take a mile.

But the other direction (without write-offs) can also curtail innovation and allow only the buisiness’s with monopolys open up new tech field and ideas by having the expendable money to fly/sleep/eat in far-away places to trade ideas.

But overall - I love the concept of “Fair Tax”

This is one of those topical issues that have caused Brad Lineaweaver and even Neil Boortz himself to call me a closet libertarian in the past grins

Thomas

By Mark Foley

October 5, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish

What are you wearing?

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

RE,

Ever heard of Atlanta resident Tyson Vivian? He’s all over the media claiming he has IMs from Foley from 10 years ago.

Did they have IMs 10 years ago? Most people didn’t even have email 10 years ago.

Just wondering.

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

Aaaah rushncap, ignoring the news alerts.

Blissed out yet?

By rushncap

October 5, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

And, yes, it’s “quagmire”, my bad…

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this

Oh yes, the DRUDGE REPORT — thanks so much for sharing that sludge, Danish-donut… Matt Drudge was the one calling those shameful pages “beasts” for setting up poor ole Mark Foley and making him act like the predator that he is! Just like you, Drudge prefers to always blame the victim for the problem.

By rushncap

October 5, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

Which news alerts are those, Danish? You found a brain?

By rushncap

October 5, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

ICQ has been around since 1996, Danish. Using your superior computing skills, and some help form a local 12 year old, you can calculate the age to be 10 years.

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

Terrence, the price we’ve paid for “spreading democracy in the Middle East” is too high… if your guy W had been truthful with the American people about what his real agenda was before invading Iraq, we NEVER would have gone there, and you know it! That’s why y’all had to keep terrifying everybody with your “mushroom cloud” and “no doubt” BS mantra. There were plenty of doubts about Saddam’s WMD capabilities, but none of that mattered, did it? It was just WAR, WAR, WAR, wasn’t it?

By Terrence

October 5, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this

Hey Pauley. All the education and finesse in the world won’t cover up your stench.

I call ‘em like I see ‘em.

You’re a supporter of oppression no matter how eloquent your literary skills.

I’ll call it enlightened stupidity.

By Midori

October 5, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

BREAKING: Foley says his resignation was PRANK gone awry!!

details at 11!!!

By RE

October 5, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

Another guy in Atlanta has the IMs….Hmm, pretty elaborate prank. One guy in Lousiana, another in Atlanta….and apparently Boehner, Reynolds and Blunt are in on the prank as well.

By Thomas

October 5, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

-=-

Ahh yes — Buy Danish - and the DrudgeBots — grasping at straws to try and save their home-grown “sexual predator” from the evil machinations of the Democrats propaganda machine, that obviously must have secretly planted those messages and e-mails!

No! Foley is an icon of child protection and a honorable republican.. He would never let lust interfere with him doing his holy duties of the Fatherland!

Ohh — I love this! (laughing again!)

Thomas

By RE

October 5, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

AOL had 6M subscribers using instant messaging when an Israeli company named Mirabilis introduced ICQ in November 1996 and was first to introduce this concept freely on the Internet.

By Karl Rove Strikes Again!!

October 5, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

By RW-(the original) October 5, 2006 01:54 PM Andy, Let me know when you’ve seen the answer to the question you asked this morning.

Got it, thanks.

Danish: Isn’t this hilarious? Rove set them up with a double whammy 1) they look like morons, which is not a stretch, for running with a prank 2) now we’ve got the whole pinko nation on record against homosexuality and the man/boy sicko deal.

Bwahahahahaha.

I called it yesterday or the day before, I forget, Pagegate! Same as See BS memogate.

Foley was not going to run this term, they had to talk him into it, guaranteed he’s a willing participant in all this.

You dumba-ss liberals got Rove all over your face.

By rushncap

October 5, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

That’s exactly what I was looking at, RE. Apparently people like Danish either have not discovered the wonderful world of online search engines / Wikipedia or are way too lazy to do their own research.

Or maybe they think we’re as stupid / lazy as them.

By HC

October 5, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

Mike, you should have put your hatred for the current administration aside for a day and used your talents to depict something very moving and touching about the Amish tragedy in Pennsylvania. I remember the one you did when Lewis Grizzard passed and I’m sure if you weren’t so predisposed to attack “W” daily, you could have made us all think a little deeper about this senseless tragedy.

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

So Danish-roll wants us to believe that some Repugnants would resign from their jobs due to “a prank”:

Aide: I warned Hastert’s office about Foley

But go ahead— keep blaming the victims who were preyed upon!

By RE

October 5, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

Terrance, the point, I think Paul was trying to make is that a dictatorship tends to be more controling of it’s population and stifles dissent. So the question is would you rather have a dictator who controls the country against the will of the people, but is supportive of US policies or would you rather have a popularly supported democraticly elected leader who is not supportive of US policies.

When you answer please consider Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and especially Pakistan

By Thomas

October 5, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

Man - O man —

I sure miss Lewis Grizzard — Now that was a true american!

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

POS rushncap,

1996 to 2006 is 10 years….just like I said. Leave my kid out of it.

BTW, if you care to read yesterday’s “conversation” with the looney Mrs. Godzilla, you will see that contrary to your claims that I “don’t care about the Pages” it was ME who cared about one particular page and his family yesterday.

So far we have exactly ONE injured party - the Page from Louisiana who is having his reputation damaged by opportunist Democrat operatives.

Goldilocks,

Would you like to share the link to your claim that Drudge called the page boys “Beasts”?

Not Mark Foley,

I am a SHE dumb-a*. Try hitting on Rushncap.

Rove you magnificent bastard,

I’m on the records saying that the Page Boys need to testify under oath - except for the Louisiana page who should sue these MoFos for ruining his reputation.

By Midori

October 5, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

have you guys seen the GOP’s new logo yet?

By Paul

October 5, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

Terrence - take a deap breath - grab an almanac - list all the countries in the world. Then list the form of government. Separate democracies from nondemocracies. Now, for all the nondemocracies, make a notation by the ones that suppress freedom of speech, religion, assembly, press, etc. Now, for all those countries, make another notation for those with whom the US has diplomatic relations, trade agreements, or other such interactions. Now - here’s the key part, make another notation next to the countries where the US has a strategic national interest.

“Living with” a situation does not imply agreement. The extreme extension of your most reasoned comment would be US/Western intervention wherever oppression exists. This is going to be one of the key tests for the US in coming years - to avoid military intervention where human suffering exists (Sudan, Dharfur, etc) but where the US has not compelling national interest. Frankly, I always thought those situations were what the UN was for - but their track record in Africa and other locations does little to inspire confidence.

By Terrence

October 5, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

Goldie, You know about as much as I do about WMD’s in Iraq, so quit claiming it as fact. My money’s on Syria. Observed movement of large convoys moving across the border prior to our attack. Maybe we should have just bombed them without notification.

Thomas, Pauley most certainly did choose Saddam Hussein and brutal dictators over free free. He did it to further his opposition to the war when he said this:

“brutal dictators can be quite efficient in suppressing dissent - political, religious -that threatens their rule. Remove the dictator and the power structure and (you see just what exists in Iraq today.”)

Eloquent BS that’ll fool a lib every time.

By bon scott

October 5, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

Republicraps continue to eat their young, when they’re not drowning in self-denial. EIther way, they and their glorious party are toast.

Foley’s a drunken pederast, with a shrinking lifeboat full of enablers.

Like Andy.

Hey Bi-Granny! When do get your commission check from Matt Drudge?? His fib about the “joke” backfiring on Foley probably doubled the visits to his site, and you helped! Cha-CHING!! Brilliant!!

Or are you really so stupid that you believe Drudge?

Sigh. You probably are.

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

RE,

Thanks for the link. Now can you tell me how many people actually had IMs in 1996, the year it was rolled out? Maybe you also have some data as to how many people keep those IM messages for 10 freaking years.

Thanks in advance.

Goldie,

Do you have the scoop on who Foley actually had sex with?

By Paul

October 5, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

RE at 3:49 - well said. The other point, in response to Goldie’s earlier comment, was that anti-government groups have a very difficult time gaining a foothold in an oppressive country (Hussein-Iraq, China, Cuba, etc.). That is different than a situation described by France in WWII. Remove the dictator, ancient animosities come to the fore (the death of Tito in Yugoslavia is another relevant example).

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this

Bonnie scott counselor,

Wasn’t it just 2 days ago that you claimed that Foley was pulling a fast one by checking into rehab?

Now you say he’s an alcoholic.

You’re one prescient putz.

By RE

October 5, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

Umm, 6 million, just like it said BD

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

IM to Karl Rove

I have to run out and won’t be back until just before closing time. Keep an eye on the moonbats for me.

thnx.

By Scooter

October 5, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

Good ole Rushncap takes one item out of an argument ignores the context and thinks he debunks the entire point by only addressing what he chose to isolate. No Rushncap, exposing the UN corruption was not a cause that made it worthwhile, removing Saddam was. With four “Member States” having veto power on the Security Council and a global economy, the economic conflicts force the UN to be an effective institution.

Thomas, I am going to address your questions in a moment.

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

RE,

“M” means “Thousand” the last time I checked.

Thanks anyway.

By @@

October 5, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

CAAAAAATTT FIGHT!!! with @@ Namejacker at 2:29. What woman on this board is projecting her weight problems onto me? I’m thoughtful and compassionate. I advise:

A light breakfast, a late lunch eaten off a saucer (no plate), eliminate anything white, and a daily brisk 5 mile walk first thing in the morning. No sodas of any kind including diet, and lots of water.

On your way now. There is hope and support when you need it.

Getalife: If it’s you at 2:29, keep your “other white meat” to yourself Mister.;-) Quit pokin’!!!

By RE

October 5, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

Drudge calling pages beasts

By Thomas

October 5, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

BD — I found the same section

But basically Instant messaging (with list of contacts) began in 1987. (ahh - I remember Zephyr and the old BBS’ systems)

By the time ICQ hit the world there were already 6 million people using instant messaging. Yes I still have a low ICQ number grins — ok I’m a geek — ok?

(History - Courtesy of WIKI) [Later the UNIX/LINUX “talk” messaging systems were widely used by engineers and academics in the 1980s and 1990s to communicate across the internet. MIT’s Project Athena created the first instant messaging tool in 1987 with the graphical Zephyr client. PLATO was the first instant messenger combining presence or list of contacts with the ability to send messages. AOL had 6M subscribers using instant messaging when an Israeli company named Mirabilis introduced ICQ in November 1996 and was first to introduce this concept freely on the Internet. ]

By Midori

October 5, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Sources inside ABC News tell RAW STORY that evidence of widespread misconduct by Foley is overwhelming and rules out the possibility that the entire scandal is based on a prank or a sting.

“This couldn’t be a prank,” one high-placed insider said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the story. “Everything I’ve seen indicates that it can’t be. Clearly there’s been an effort on the part of this gentleman and another blogger…to come back at us.”

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

I never thought that I’d miss Nixon!

By Thomas

October 5, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

-=-

Also IRC was around in 1988 to replace a BBS chat function…

(again from WIKI)

[Internet Relay Chat (IRC) is a form of realtime internet chat. It is mainly designed for group (many-to-many) communication in discussion forums called channels, but also allows one-to-one communication via private message.

IRC was created by Jarkko Oikarinen (nickname “WiZ”) in late August 1988 to replace a program called MUT (MultiUser talk) on a BBS called OuluBox in Finland. Oikarinen found inspiration in Bitnet Relay Chat which operated on the Bitnet network.]]

By Goldie

October 5, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

HC— we’re all very saddened about the poor little girls in PA and their families… I have some ideas about trying to control the lunatics who’re running around America with guns, and I’d be glad to discuss. Do you have any ideas about solving the loonies-with-guns problem?

By Cindy

October 5, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

Bush knew exactly what he was doing with the “Mission Accomplished” hoopla. As far as he was concerned the mission was accomplished; he settled his personal vendetta by “dethroning” Hussein. To he!! with everybody else.

By Donna

October 5, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

all of you repugnants will soon get all of the answers that you want on the war and 9/11 and the lies of the whole Bush administration , Tenant is putting out his book soon and he is not a happy camper, he knows where all the bodies are hidden. And if that isn’t enough,the libs are taking over congress in November and I guarantee that there will be a real investigation, Bush’s legacy will be on the same page as Hitler, Stalin,Idi Amin and all the rest of the failed dictators. He will be a man in total disgrace!!

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

If you scroll down to 1996 you will see that AOL reached 5 million subscribers total in February, but dumba-ss RE wants you to believe they had 6 million IM users.

6M well duh, it’s got to mean million don’t it. Tell us more about your brilliance.

Maybe Thomas can tell us how many millions were using IRC in 1988 too.

By Donna

October 5, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

Bush poll numbers 38 and falling,Clinton poll numbers 68 and rising ,that must drive you repugnants nuts!!

By Karl Rove Strikes Again!!

October 5, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

By Midori October 5, 2006 04:22 PM Sources inside ABC News tell RAW STORY that evidence of widespread misconduct by Foley is overwhelming and rules out the possibility that the entire scandal is based on a prank or a sting.

Considering that ABC’s a-ss is in a major league sling, I’d start stammering out some excuses too.

Let’s all sit back and watch Brian Ross give us an Emmy winning reprisal of Mary Mapes role in memogate.

Can he make a larger a-ss out of himself then she did, tune in after the local news for the complete team coverage.

So how many emails did Rove feed them and why are they the only ones that got them?

How did ABC become Foley Scandal central anyway?

Karl did it!!

By Karl Rove

October 5, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this

To: GW

Boy, the Foley thing’s really blown up in our faces, and the timing is just awful. If only Hastert could have kept the lid on for another 5 weeks. Making matters worse? His playing dumb over the whole thing. Did you see his newser? Does he think voters are that stupid?

And I can’t control Drudge anymore. He thought he was helping by calling pages “beasts”. Then he switches gears and puts up some junk about the Foley IM’s being part of a joke gone bad. The guy’s useless. Do you think he’s screwing us on purpose? I mean, I never ask him about the gay rumors, but you never know.

So we’re in deep doo-doo. The family values vote is gone. The Christians see we’re not about Jesus; we’re about power. Both of those groups will probably stay home November 7th. And the rest of middle America sees us as a bunch of hypocrites over the gay thing.

On the barely bright side, the Foley mess is distracting attention from Woodward’s book. But that guy’s not going away, and neither are the things he’s put in that “State Of Denial” book. Condi ignoring warnings about Osama; you and Cheny and Rummy insisting we could do Iraq on the cheap; the whole fantasy about WMDs; it’s all there. And trust me, it’ll be back on the front pages in a couple of weeks.

I’ll try to convince Barney not to bail out on you, but no promises.

Karl

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 5, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

The fact that Granny (BD) and Andy would even try to suggest that this scandal is based on a prank is the most obvious evidence yet of their stupidity. Are you two absolutely or just partially retarded? Again, Andy, you have no ability to discern fact from fiction, truth from lies, bullsh!t from reality. Both of you are freaking idiots. Everyday it’s a new story. Your party is CORRUPT. People like you two who spread bs, spin, fabrications, and rationalizations with no logic or morality are exactly why your party is going down in flames.

By Scooter

October 5, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

In my previous post please change effective to ineffective, because the UN is far from effective.

Thomas, I will briefly address your points but I ask that you read the Bill itself, as they are addressed there. I have a copy printed and in my desk for bathroom review.

Exemptions: the Bill states that if a qualified not for profit entity provides taxable property it must treat that as taxable, however donations, dues etc… are not. So your Holy Smoked BB-Q would cost the same as Scooter’s Pulled Pork.

Business write offs: First, when a property or service is converted from business use to private use it shall be taxed at its fair market value at the time of conversion. I know that is open for loop holes but so is the current system in this regard. I’m not sure I am understanding your point of Corporate Lawyers perverting Business write offs, unless you mean exploiting to benefit employees. Otherwise, they are selling a good or service and the tax requirement should be transparent. Anyway, go to Thomas.gov and read the text of HB 25, your concerns are addressed.

We have to remember the current system lends itself to manipulations, tax evasion, loopholes, etc… But it also allows politicians to hide political favors from the public, thereby affording them power over the people. A flat tax would leave the door open to further political pimping, as did the ’86 (?) tax restructuring.

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

You would think a self-anointed geek could figure out to create a simple link on this blog. Maybe that was a different really low number that Thomas is so proud of.

Doesn’t all this talk about what IM systems were available 10 to 15 years ago remind you of the libs spinning all sorts of yarns about proportional spacing and fonts that were available in the early ’70s when Dan and Mary got caught?

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 5, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

Donna,

There are only about 38% of Americans left who don’t already know Bush is a total disgrace. And of course, the rest of the world already knows it. When the number shrinks until there are only 38 people total who don’t think Bush is a disgrace, 4 or 5 of them will still be here with some silly rationalization as to why their fuhrer should still be worshiped.

By Thomas

October 5, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

RW — and BD

The Wiki quotes 6M —-

Thousand = K Million = M

It says AOL had 6 million subscribers using instant messaging (prior to ICQ coming on the scene)

RW - you post shows AOL had (Over) 5 million subscribers in Feb — yet had grown to 9 million by Sept the next year and 10 million a few months afterwards. The 6 Million that Wiki posted could be quite accurate. Were they all using IM — heck if I know?

As to your cheapshot at me? - I have absolutly no idea of how many IRC users there were - and frankly don’t care.

This is all smoke an mirrors that distracts from the original propaganda Buy Danish was implying that the georgia “Page” was lying when he said that he had said he recieved IM’s from Foley 10 years ago. She was trying to prove IM didn’t exist at that time.

Fact: Yes IM was available at that time! Period!

So quit nit-picking how many people had IM — it is absolutly irrellevant!

We passed your test and your silly questions - so go away!

By RE

October 5, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

6 million in November of 96. 5 million in febuary of 96 from your link.

Man, you and Andy both, when you are about to call someone a dumbass, please think twice, you are about to embarrass yourself

By Let's Sit Back And Watch

October 5, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

1) I’ve never seen a scandal where the liberals didn’t come out looking like jacka-sses, I see no reason for this one to be different.

2) This is the perfect Rovian ploy, use a congressman who’s not running for his seat and it will probably lose any way, feed the sap media a bunch of fake emails, knowing full well they’ll sit on them until the election and let them run the story out for you.

3) Tap into the vicious homophobia on the left. These savages say they like homosexuals but at the first chance they slander them and wax all righteous about their behaviour. They use the word gay as their ultimate insult, they can’t help themselves.

It’s now all out in the open where Rove wanted it.

4) He knew that the libs only understand sex, especially really deviant sex and would jump at the opportunity to wallow in this like pigs at the bacon factory.

Which sucked all the air out of Woodward’s book.

5) I keep telling you liberals, Conservatives are so damn good.

By RE

October 5, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

Good comments on Fair tax, I am still hesitant on it though.

I hope this does not come off as too much of an insult, but the name “Scooter’s Pulled Pork” just does not sound right.

The name needs a little work

By It's All Unraveling Now

October 5, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

None of those interviewed said they had received a sexual or suggestive overture from him during their time on Capitol Hill. Yet many of them said they were uneasy about Foley’s actions and felt awkward complaining to anyone about them.

By bon scott

October 5, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

Andy, do you really believe that drivel in “Sit Back and Watch”? Especially the part about leftist “homophobia”? You and your enablers INVENTED homophobia!

Do NOT confuse it with a normal citizen’s aversion of GOP hypocrisy.

Alcohol induced wet brain. Gotta be. Nobody can be that deluded and sane. Or sober.

By Scooter

October 5, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

RE, Scooter’s Pulled Pork was supposed to be open for imagination. When I’m feeling wily I answer the phone; Scooter’s Smoked and we pull our pork, can we pull you some.

By RE

October 5, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this

“This is the perfect Rovian ploy, use a congressman who’s not running for his seat and it will probably lose any way, feed the sap media a bunch of fake emails, knowing full well they’ll sit on them until the election and let them run the story out for you”

Umm, Foley had his seat locked up. It was a lock for the GOP. What are you talking about?

By Thomas

October 5, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this

Yes - Scooter

Good post on the Fair Tax issue…

I was referring to business expenses like when I have to travel to a meeting somewhere, or we have to set up production somewhere and we have to pay for the crew’s expenses for food, hotel, and gas (per mile). These are currently tax deductble(s) as they are expenses that are a part of doing business for the company.

The main thing that people must realize is that this tax will be added to the current cost of a sale.

Currently a sale here for a $1 item breaks down as:

$1.00 + 7% (state and local tax) - Total = $1.07

This new tax would add a federal tax of about 30cents to the item bringing the total to $1.37 total for a $1 item.

Personally - I am ok with that if it cuts out other tax structures and expenses in the government maintaining all that paperwork as well. Also makes it harder for the IRS to take away the family farm too.

Thomas

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this

RE,

If you think that every subscriber to AOL in 1996 was an IM user you’re a few notches below dumba-ss.

By RE

October 5, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

Way to open for imagination….

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

When the compliance costs are pulled back out of that item it should be reasonably close to the same price as now. So your $1.07 item doesn’t just go up by the amount of the tax. Some companies may try to pad their bottom line at first, but good old capitalist competition will bring them in line.

By Collin

October 5, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

Luckovich, Why don’t you take Barney home, feed him some of your liberal propoganda, soothe his frayed nerves, and let the BIG DOG bark.

Make yourself useful for a change.

By MinneapolisMike

October 5, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this

No Republican in government should every have to resign for anything - as long as the act was done in the name of Freedom.

So Speaker of the House Hastert knew of the alleged improprieties of Mark Foley long ago. Big deal! Mr. Hastert knows of far greater crimes than that! But since these crimes were commited in the name of Freedom or were commited by an honest Republican who only acts in the name of Freedom, these crimes mean nothing.

Seriously, Mr. Hastert has seen evidence of acts so foul they make Iraq and Gitmo seem like a picnic. Mr. Hastert literally has skeletons in his closet. Who cares? As long as these “crimes” were done in the name of Freedom, the American public could care less.

Let’s face facts - all right-thinking Americans would happily hand over every cute boy in their family to raving pedophile government official as long as they were promised their safety. This is the cost of Freedom we must all pay. They would give up all current and future earnings, all supposed civil liberties, and even the lives of those members of their families they don’t care too much about - all for protection. This is the American way.

God bless America and God bless Dennis Hastert.

By RE

October 5, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

RW,

Man, you just don’t know when to quit. It is a trivial point anyway but you keep trying to tell me I am wrong when you have nothing to contridict it. Infact, the link you provide actually supports the number of users. Drop it

By Thomas

October 5, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

No RW —

I expect companies will pad their bottom line period (not to mention secret price settings for maximum profit)

Or do I need to remind you of the grand success of Georgia’s de-regulated gas and how it reduced the cost to the georgia consumer. Urk’!~

I know I’d try and maximize profits..if I could. So I expect there to be some consumer horror stories along the way in the fair tax structure. Hopefully those can be corrected later.

I still feel that this would definitly help our society as a whole if it is planned well(despite the problems that may crop up)- So I am still for the fair tax program.

By Pinko Teacher

October 5, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this

By RE October 5, 2006 05:27 PM Umm, Foley had his seat locked up. It was a lock for the GOP. What are you talking about?

Dumba-ss:

Robert Novak reports today that Mark Foley was thinking of not running for reelection — but that NRCC chief Tom Reynolds talked into running, after he knew about the email to a House page:

Conservatives think a lot farther down the road then you moron liberals do.

By RE

October 5, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this

I have never thought that the dems could take control of either house this election cycle, then I heard something that makes me think it will happen:

Cheney flatly rejected predictions by pundits that Democrats will take control of the House and Senate in November.

“We will retain control of both houses,” he said.

Considering this guys track record on predictive statements, (last throes, greeted as liberators, WMD) Maybe the dems do have a chance

By Mallory

October 5, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

I just posted at J.Wooten’s. It was infested with liberals posting long lectures on homosexuality & pedophilia. Same conversation here with a liberal salting of anti-war activists.

AJC, exactly what does your paper favor & oppose? I’m new to the area from liberal Mass. Are you the only game in town?

By nuff-said

October 5, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this

Since the republlicans are screwing the nation it makes perfect sense that they screw a few children along the way.

By RE

October 5, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

FL-16 Ham. Beattie (D) Sept 19 Foley (R) 48%, Mahoney (D) 35%

Andy….Foley had a lock on that seat. It is not a ploy or tactic.

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 06:17 PM | Link to this

RW,

This guy Tyson Vivyan looks like a huge liar to me. Check this out:

Tyson Vivyan, 26, of Buckhead told WAGA-TV in a Wednesday interview that Foley began sending him instant messages about a month or two after his nine-month stint as a page ended in June 1997.

THEN HE SAYS:

{{“I’m very disappointed in myself for not having the courage to do it back in 96-97.”}}

Say What? I thought he wasn’t contacted until his Page stint was over in June 1997. Oh well. But wait!!

THEN HE SAYS:

{{He somehow got ahold of my online identity on AOL and began sending me sexually illicit ims,” Vivyan said in the TV interview.}}

BUT, thanks to Wikipedia we learn:

AOL acquired Mirabilis on JUNE 8, 1998.“>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICQ)

RE and Thomas^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

POS rushncap,

I use Wiki all the time. SEE??^^^^^

By bon scott

October 5, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this

Andy, the drunken dumbas-s says that Foley wasn’t going to run this year, so Democrats had the seat.

When challenged, his proof is a link to a Novak column that says Foley thought about dropping out, but decided to run after GOP leaders twisted his arm.

So in Andy’s world, he wasn’t going to run. Except he was.

Wetbrain. It’s the alcohol.

By RE

October 5, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

Apparently Rove thought losing Reynolds seat was a good idea too

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

RE,

I agree that it’s a trivial point. In fact if you want to make believe 300 million people were taking calls from pollsters the day after Alexander Graham Bell invented the phone that’s fine with me too. If I figure out what “contridict” means I’ll take care of it for you. Why do you moonbats always misspell the most important word in your thought?

There are dozens of links that say IM’ing took off in popularity in late 1998, but I won’t bore you with facts anymore. Do the names Mirabilis and ICQ mean anything to you? Oops never mind, I forgot you don’t want facts.

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

He also said he exchanged messages for months and didn’t know who he was talking to. When they asked why he did he said it was to make solid contacts in Washington.

Maybe a lib can tell us how that works. As the Kimmer would say, how did he know he wasn’t talking to the spit bucket boy at the ultimate fighter gym in Athens?

One thing that was true about AIM though is that you could get unsolicited messages. You could also flag them and get AOL to shut the sender down and you could block the sender too, though.

By RE

October 5, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this

I bet there will be a lot of fake copycat charges coming out, I have no idea if this is one or not. I am pretty sure that the whole scandal is not a hoax, Foley would not have resigned otherwise. The GOP’s best strategy right now would be to find some pages faking the story, or create some

By RE

October 5, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

AOL had 6M subscribers using instant messaging when an Israeli company named Mirabilis introduced ICQ in November 1996 and was first to introduce this concept freely on the Internet. When the number of users of ICQ became a threat to AOL instant messaging service, AOL acquired Mirabilis/ICQ

By Pinko Teacher

October 5, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

I know these stupid vicious liberals are unable to think beyond what they are going to do with their little wee wees today:

By RE October 5, 2006 06:12 PM FL-16 Ham. Beattie (D) Sept 19 Foley (R) 48%, Mahoney (D) 35% Andy….Foley had a lock on that seat. It is not a ploy or tactic.

That’s why I’m a Conservative:

Karl Rove: O.K. Foley, you don’t have to run but I need to use you for a month or so.

Foley: Use me for what.

Rove: I’ve got this plan to sucker the liberals, remember those joke emails you and the eighteen year old pages sent each other?

Foley: Yea, the prank emails.

Rove: Right, I’m going to gibe them to this dumba-ss liberal over at ABC, wait till you see what happens.

Liberals wouldn’t even think about giving up one seat in the House, they are stammering political power hungry degenerates, it does even fathom the depths of their profound ignorance.

Rove saw sacrificing one silly House seat for the good of the whole freaking Conservative movement.

We rock!!

By RE

October 5, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

RW; really, the less you say, the fewer times you will be wrong. Just give it a rest please

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

RW,

Exactly right.

Vivyan Tyson is a liar Part 2:

{{Vivyan said he became upset when he learned that the messages were from Foley.}}

But he never tells us when he knew it was Foley:

{{Vivyan told WAGA he received messages from someone with the screen name “Maf54”, which has been widely reported as belonging to Foley…Vivyan said the contact continued for years. He said he never felt threatened.}}

When did he learn it was Foley?? And was he only receiving messages, or was he also returning the favor?

“…absolutely …it was simply a very lonely, very sick, very desperate man seeking attention from someone he apparently found attractive,” he told the television station.

Was he considering a career as a social worker?

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

YIKES! Right up until the “or create some” I agree with RE’s 6:33. I’ll be running down the street screaming Bush sucks and throwing bricks at W stickers any minute now I guess.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 5, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

Idiot Andy is still with the ridiculous conspiracy theory? Foley’s district has been described as strongly conservative and had been in Republican hands for two decades. Yes, this is a brilliant maneuver by Karl Rove. Take a district that had a sure winner, a six term congressman, and turn over a seat to the Democrats because of a national scandal involving pedophilia. Andy, why didn’t Bush hire you as a campaign consultant 10 years ago? Then we’d never have been subjected to all the mistakes, the economy would be pumping on all cylinders, and we wouldn’t be in a war that’s sucking us dry, destroying our standing in the world, and needlessly killing people by the thousands because your fuehrer would never have been elected. Andy, I have to say I’m glad you’re here because every blog needs a clown.

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

Thomas the Talk Engine,

I just caught a reference to me in one of your posts. Something about “smoke and mirrors”.

Read my posts to RW and you tell me who is in charge of the smoke machine. We already know that rushncap is in charge of the mirrors.

By Scooter

October 5, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this

Thomas, your calculation for purchase price compounded with a 30 percent federal sales tax and a 7 percent state sales tax totaling $1.37 is incorrect. The FairTax is an inclusive tax, meaning the tax is included in the sales price. So, if something is advertised for one dollar, you pay one dollar, 23 - 30 cents goes to the feds and the retailer retains 70 - 77 cents. That is misconception that is being furthered by many who oppose the proposal on strictly partisan grounds. From here on you will see beyond that, yes?

I appreciate the fact that you can see the value of taxation transparency, the effects of imbedded taxes (taxes paid by manufacturers and embedded in the sales price) and the price reducing forces of competition within a capitalist economy. It was a good to and fro, thanks.

By RE

October 5, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this

Andy, I really try to abstain from insults, but you are clearly in a different reality

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 5, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

Idiot Andy,

I guess the negative political fallout that will affect other congressional races and probably throw a few more seats to the Democrats was also part of Rove’s brilliant plan?

Between your nonsense and RW and Granny talking about a peripheral accuser, it’s hard to tell which one of you three is the dimmest.

None of this smoke screen you losers are trying to throw up changes the fact that your party’s days are numbered because conservatives live the antithesis of the values they espouse.

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 06:52 PM | Link to this

RE,

You should really look beyond Wikipedia, but far be it from me to tell you how to live your life. After all, I’m not a lib.

Buy Danish,

This guy Tyson was calling every radio and TV station he could get in touch with begging for air time. Boortz was trying to decide whether to let him on with some kind of caveat or not have him at all, but I don’t what he finally decided. I’m sure his program notes will touch on it tomorrow. He was on a couple of WGST shows in the morning too and I just saw a piece with him on FNC.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 5, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this

Granny,

Speaking of mirrors, have you noticed the pompous, unemployed housewife in yours? Do something with yourself.

By Pinko Teacher

October 5, 2006 06:54 PM | Link to this

RE: Try finishing your silly thoughts before you hit the post button.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 5, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

Andy: Try saying something with a modicum of intelligence before you hit the post button.

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

Closing thought. George Allen has opened up a double digit lead in VA.

I guess macacawitz kinda bombed.

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

Stalker Boy,

“Unemployed housewife” is an oxymoron.

Sucks to be you doesn’t it.

By Buy Danish

October 5, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

RW,

I saw him on something yesterday. I think he’s looking to get on the cover of GQ or Esquire.

By bon scott

October 5, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

By Andy the pederast drunk - October 5, 2006 06:37 PM - I know these stupid vicious liberals are unable to think beyond what they are going to do with their little wee wees today:

There he goes again with his sex hangups.

But lets consider the rest of his post, which says Rove convinced Foley to sacrifice his ENTIRE POLITICAL CAREER as part of a plot to ultimately prevent the Democrats from gaining either the House or Senate.

So… we have a GOP strategist (Rove) willing to ask a veteran lawmaker to make this sacrifice and ruin his life.

And we have a veteran lawmaker (Foley) who is willing to do just that.

Why would anyone really want to be associated with Andy’s version of the GOP? Or with Andy??

Suck, it must be the booze talking. I’m sure now that the comment window is closed, you’ll go back to drinking, back to your chickenhawk magazine, back to your right hand.

I seriously recommend professional help.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 5, 2006 07:06 PM | Link to this

Granny,

Yes, there are still plenty of ignorant Americans out there (see Andy, RW, Granny, @@, et al) who will still vote Republican, especially in the South. So Allen being ahead is no surprise, and you probably need to take into consideration the fact that he had actually been popular enough in his state to think about running for president in 08. Don’t you need to drive your SUV to WalMart to buy a NASCAR tee shirt?

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 07:07 PM | Link to this

I guess the pressure was too great for stalker boy OotMVoD. Maybe tomorrow we will finally get his first ever intelligent post.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 5, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

Granny,

It isn’t necessarily an oxymoron; there are plenty of housewives who also work. Actually, I think it sucks to be you, particularly because of the unemployed part. Life must be pretty empty when this is all you’ve got.

By What Is It With These Pinkos?

October 5, 2006 07:10 PM | Link to this

Sigh:

By One of the Major Wankers of This Blog October 5, 2006 06:50 PM Idiot Andy, I guess the negative political fallout that will affect other congressional races and probably throw a few more seats to the Democrats was also part of Rove’s brilliant plan?

Yawn.

The simplest things. You would think there might be a glimmer of intelligence and everything wouldn’t have to be explained.

No, not with these losers.

When this turns out to be fake and all trumped up over nothing, the democrats are going to look like even bigger dumba-ss losers than they already do now.

Even stupider then Major Wanker, for instance. If that’s possible.

And very few people are going to want to associate their vote with a political party of saps and suckers and clowns and fools and idiots like the democrats are.

Thus they vote for the Republican.

By Jack This, Finchie

October 5, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

By pedophile bon scott freak September 29, 2006 06:58 PM Short eyes likes his boy toys!! Is that why you get juiced? Yummmmm… just watch their little legs!!By the way, what kind of lubricant do you and your boy-toys prefer? Do you use xanax or roofies to loosen them up, or does vodka alone do the trick?

By Jack This, Finchie

October 5, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

By pedophile bon scott freak September 29, 2006 06:58 PM Short eyes likes his boy toys!! Is that why you get juiced? Yummmmm… just watch their little legs!!By the way, what kind of lubricant do you and your boy-toys prefer? Do you use xanax or roofies to loosen them up, or does vodka alone do the trick?

By RW-(the original)

October 5, 2006 07:12 PM | Link to this

bonnie psycho finche telling someone else to seek professional help is freaking hysterical.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 5, 2006 07:13 PM | Link to this

RW,

How would you ever recognize it? You don’t have the intellectual capacity to discern intelligence from idiocy, as evidenced not only by your posts, but by your cohorts as well. Goodnight Losers.

By Tommie27

October 6, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

Nice to know someone has a sense of humor in==RED STATE LAND==.Seems most of the RED STATE BILLIES have lost their’s by now. Seems BOY GEORGE has disappointed even them!!! Tommie27

By Tommie27

October 6, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

You Good Ole Boys can find help at—-RED STATE BILLIES ANONYMOUS.COM—GoodLuck! Tommie27