Mike Luckovich

By George

October 3, 2006 08:02 AM | Link to this

Ha! Great toon

“A former senior Republican official in Congress says Foley was one of a handful of members and staff whose behavior with pages was being closely watched.”

Oh my, how many more pedofiles are there in the Republican party?

I’m sure that our resident idiot Andy will spin this so that it is all Clinton’s fault somehow.

By Luckovich Censors Conservatives

October 3, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this

I encourage everyone who comes to this blog today to look into this “North American Man Boy Love Association” and see which political party they are more supportive of:

Start here with their website.

Make note of how NAMBLA is on the same side as Ruth Bader Ginsburg and her Supreme Court decisions.

Take notice of how NAMBLA refers to Conservatives as “right whingers” and obviously have great disdain for us.

Now you show ME one shred of evidence that the Republicans in anyway support NAMBLA or vice versa.

You can’t.

Now, also look into the background of the following issue and see which political party favors the molesters:

Background on the Boy Scouts’ Discrimination Against Gay Troop Leaders and Gay Scouts

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The St. Petersburg Times had copies of the Louisiana e-mails in November, but did not run a story because the e-mails were “not overtly sexual,” the boy’s parents did not want to go public and another page who swapped e-mails with Foley told reporters that the congressman’s language was not inappropriate, political editor Scott Montgomery explained on the paper’s political blog. The Miami Herald also had those e-mails but did not run a story.-TownHall

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But in today’s politically correct culture, it’s easy to understand how senior Republicans might well have decided they had no grounds to doubt Mr. Foley merely because he was gay and a little too friendly in emails. Some of those liberals now shouting the loudest for Mr. Hastert’s head are the same voices who tell us that the larger society must be tolerant of private lifestyle choices, and certainly must never leap to conclusions about gay men and young boys. Are these Democratic critics of Mr. Hastert saying that they now have more sympathy for the Boy Scouts’ decision to ban gay scoutmasters? Where’s Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi on that one?-OpinionJournal

By Charles

October 3, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this

I suppose now the Democrats will ask Bill Clinton to apologize for dropping his pants in front of Paula Jones, apologize for groping Kathleen Willey in the Oval Office, apologize for sexual acts with Monica Lewinsky in the Oval Office (then committing perjury in the court proceedings and lying to the American public) - because it’s too late to ask him to resign (and after his impeachment they didn’t vote to have him removed from office).

I also suppose the Democrats will ask Ted Kennedy to finally resign for allowing Mary Jo Kopechne to drown at Chappaquiddick (somehow avoiding manslaughter charges, too) and all the other lewd incidents he’s been involved in over the past 4 decades.

Sure, Foley’s actions needed action (he resigned). At least he had the decency to do that - unlike Democrats.

By Luckovich Censors Conservatives

October 3, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this

So, Bob Woodward has become the latest journalist to try to influence the upcoming mid-term congressional elections with a new book, “State of Denial” — a harsh critique of the president and senior members of his administration whom he contends are in such a state with respect to Iraq.-WashingtonTimes

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American Dien Bien Phu? By Patrick J. Buchanan-TownHall

Buchanan is obviously not a well researched historian:

The Battle of Dien Bien Phu was the final battle in the First Indochina War between the military forces of France and Vietnamese revolutionary forces called the Viet Minh. The battle occurred between March and May, 1954, and culminated in a massive French defeat that effectively ended the war.-Wikipedia

A bunch of pinko liberals in the U.S. throwing down the flag and running away in surrender is not a massive military defeat.

Matter of fact, I would very much welcome Al Qaeda attempting to surround the United States army in Iraq instead of blowing up innocent women and children.

This war would be over in short order.

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He wanted to best his father but also even the score for him. This score was a twofold thing. George W. Bush wanted, in effect, to win the second term that George H.W. Bush had lost (to Bill Clinton) and he wanted also to finish the job his father had started with Saddam Hussein. If there is better explanation for why Bush — not necessarily the neocons around him — so fervently wanted war, I cannot come up with it.-RealClearPolitics

If there is any better explanation for not reading the rest of Richrad Cohen’s column, “I can’t come up with it.”

Lunacy like this is what passes for cogitative thought on the left.

By Pinko Hypocrites

October 3, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

“I think you’re seeing the beginning of an alternative Democratic approach,” a desire to strike back hard, said Mr. Begala, a former Clinton adviser. “Clinton tapped into something in the Democratic zeitgeist,” Mr. Begala said. “We’re really tired of being bullied by Fox.” So amidst all of this murder and mayhem of innocents, you wish to “strike back hard.” At al Qaeda? Noooooooooo! At a TV network!!!!-AmericanSpectator

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The good news comes in three parts: The first is that al Qaida is a lot more unpopular than we are. Ninety four percent of Iraqis — including 77 percent of Sunnis, for whom al Qaida claims to speak — disapprove of the terror group. The second is that support for the Iraqi government is pretty strong. Sizable majorities say the government of Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki is doing a good job (63 percent); and have confidence in the Iraqi police (71 percent) and army (64 percent). Ninety six percent disapprove of attacks on Iraqi security forces. –RealClearPolitics

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On taxes, according to government numbers reported in July, “federal revenues have increased by more than $520 billion,” Moore says. “That is the largest real increase in tax revenues over a two-year period in American history.”-AmericanSpectator

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Today’s cartoon that doesn’t suck!

By candide

October 3, 2006 08:09 AM | Link to this

Without homophobia, racism, ultra-nationalism, and sheer demagoguery the GOP wouldn’t have a hope.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 3, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this

Any Republican who sat on the Foley info, rather than going directly to the police, in order to maintain control of power, needs to resign today. By my reckoning, that list includes at this time Hastert, Shimkus,Reynolds,Boehner and Alexander.

Any Democrat who sat on the Foley info, rather than going directly to the police, in order to gain power, needs to resign today. We don’t know who, but I suspect we will find out soon.

If the parents comment as quoted by Alexander on CNN is accurate, “they just wanted it to go away”, the damn parents should resign today too. Inappropriate sexual behavior with a minor is the gift that keeps on giving. The victim deals with it their whole life. The parents who want it to just go away, allow the sexual predator to do it over and over and over.

By George Can Hack, Conservatives Can't, Can You Say Censorship?

October 3, 2006 08:12 AM | Link to this

Look at Georgie Girl, my little bit-ch, I got her up early this morning worrying over me.

Isn’t that sweet?

By who_really_cares_anyway?

October 3, 2006 08:13 AM | Link to this

Charles, The problem with your very faulty analogy:

All of the people these Dems ‘exposed’ them to, etc. where ADULTS.

Get it??? Of the age of CONSENT.

The neo-cons talk a good game of morality, but they appear to be the ones with the least…

By Somebody's Mama

October 3, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

Luckovich Censors Conservatives:

Was the purpose of your post to defend Foley? To deflect attention?

At least Charles condemned Foley’s actions.

By George Can Hack, Conservatives Can't, Can You Say Censorship?

October 3, 2006 08:16 AM | Link to this

So which political party is in favor of gay adoptions?:

By nearly four-to-one (77% to 20%) most conservative Republicans oppose allowing gay adoption, while moderate and liberal Republicans are divided almost evenly (48% oppose, 43% favor). Similarly, there is a general consensus among liberal Democrats that gay adoption should be allowed (76% vs. 19% who are opposed) while conservative and moderate Democrats are split evenly (46% favor, 49% oppose).

Will it only be “wrong” when a Republican gets caught molesting a child they adopted?

By High Noon in October

October 3, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this

Could this be the Democrats idea of a first volley in the game of dueling “October Surprise”?

Karl Rove hasn’t reached into his bag of trick yet.

The next five weeks should prove interesting.

By George Can Hack, Conservatives Can't, Can You Say Censorship?

October 3, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this

So which political party supports letting gays into the Boy Scouts, letting them prey on our youth?:

Homosexual activists jeered and taunted young Boy Scouts at the Democratic National Convention last week, and today they escalate their campaign with protests in front of 36 Boy Scouts of America offices around the nation.

Will it only be “wrong” when a Republican scout leader gets caught molesting a child?

By @@

October 3, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

Dang ml. You made yourself vulnerable on this one. Are you a “dem” bulb or what?

Andy: Excellent counterpunch outing NAMBLA and the “party” who sends them invitations.

By Mike

October 3, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

Like most Mikey cartoons, this one is unfunny and untrue.

The truth is that Republican leaders and consrvative pundits have been just as aggressive at castigating Foley. The Washington Times even called for Hastert to resign. Can you imagine the AJC ever calling for the resignation of Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid? Luckovich won’t even draw them.

What is true is that the ACLU (bastion of liberal moral relativsim) has represented NAMBLA many times. All part of that liberal world where we defend the rights of child molestors.

By Liberal Hypocrites

October 3, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

By Somebody’s Mama October 3, 2006 08:14 AM Luckovich Censors Conservatives: Was the purpose of your post to defend Foley? To deflect attention?

I’m not defending any such thing, in fact, I’m on record against letting gays anywhere near our youth freaking years before YOU found anything “wrong” with it, you pervert enabler.

It took a Republican to get caught before you became “concerned.”

I’m pointing out the utter bald faced hypocrisy of you pinko liberals for all to see.

By jpetz

October 3, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

The GOP leadership was clearly more concerned about hanging onto Foley’s seat than protecting the Congressional page in question. Imagine if Hastert had been informed it was a Democrats doing the things Foley did. That Democrat would be out of office by now. Hastert is a partisan and it is now to be his downfall over fallout from this Foley debacle.

By candide

October 3, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

I’ll bet there are emails out there from Dubya to young men.

By George Can Hack, Conservatives Can't, Can You Say Censorship?

October 3, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this

So which political party is for teaching our children about depraved sexual behaviour in grade school?:

Among the demands put forth by organizers of the “March on Washington for Lesbian, Gay, and Bi[sexual] Rights and Liberation” was a homosexual “civil rights” law that includes provisons for transvestite and gay curricula in schools.

Will it only be “wrong” when a Republican gets caught doing it?

By A Republican Problem, eh?

October 3, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this

The most visible male homosexual lobbyist in the Massachusetts State House has been arrested for soliciting oral sex from college students at the University of Massachusetts, according to newspaper reports. William Conley works for the Massachusetts Gay & Lesbian Political Caucus and has been the point man for coordinating legislative support for funding homosexual programs (including the new “Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth”) in the public schools, as well as same-sex “marriage”, repeal of the sodomy laws, and other homosexual-related legislation.

By Somebody's Mama

October 3, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

“It took a Republican to get caught before you became “concerned.” “

Could this be because it has only been a Republican who has been caught in this type of conduct with a youth?

Goober.

By Gordon

October 3, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

whoreallycares_anyway?, I don’t recall that Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, or Juanita Brodderick consented to anything. With Monica, it was consensual but Clinton got in trouble for lying UNDER OATH about that, not the act itself.

As for Foley, he is white so why not condemn all whites for his actions? He is male, so why not condemn all males for his actions? He just happens to be a Republican, so by all means lets condemn all Republicans. By the way, its just a conincidence that it just happens to be 40 days away from an election, and it just happens to be past the point where Republicans can find a replacement for him. If you don’t think Democrats knew about this before now you are naive.

The only thing worth discussing is what did Republicans know and when did they know it. From what I have seen, the only thing they had any knowledge about was an email that was inappropriate but nowhere near what was in the instant messages. It was nothing he could be arrested for, and he was told to stop immediately by those who knew about it.

Until something more comes out, as far as I’m concerned this is just another transparent attempt by Democrats to smear ALL Republicans because of the actions of one.

Foley resigned and should go to jail. No one in the Republican party is defending the indefensible the way Democrats sometimes do.

By Carlton Wyatt

October 3, 2006 08:35 AM | Link to this

Mike: sorry, but you do NOT tell the truth. The ACLU has NEVER represented NAMBLA. In one case, the ACLU submitted a brief on 1st Amendment rights to a court but never has represented or defended NAMBLA.

Also, gay men are no more likely to be child molesters than are heterosexual men. There are bad people in any group. In fact, just glance through the news in recent weeks and see all the “straight” men, married men, who have been charged with indecent liberties with children. Where’s your outrage there? Are you going to fight to prevent straight men from adopting children?

By A Republican Problem, eh?

October 3, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this

Which political party is trying to shove this disease down the throats of our children, held captive by their “educators?”:

State Rep. Alice Wolf (D-Cambridge), designated “Honorary Lesbian” by the Cambridge Lavender Alliance, is the chief sponsor of House Bill 1641, which would mandate K-12 “health” education for every public school student in Massachusetts. Wolf is doing her best to spread the word that this bill is just about teaching little children how to brush their teeth, and saving older children from drug addiction and gang involvement.

Will this only be “wrong” when a Republican gets caught doing it?

By Somebody's Mama

October 3, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this

Somebody’s Mama is also Somebody’s Aunt. Being “gay” does not mean being a pedophile. Quit being a homophobe.

It was a straight guy who introduced me to sexuality at age four. That’s how it happens most times.

Sicko’s happen. We have to stop making excuses and get them out of circulation.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 3, 2006 08:40 AM | Link to this

The conservative rag, the Washington Times (not Bi Danish), has called for Dennis Hastert’s resignation, which is completely appropriate.

Spineless Andy (Luckovitch Censors..),

You are correct that sending emails isn’t a crime, but soliciting sex from a teenager via email is a crime. You are well aware of this because you have been able to cover your tracks and avoid incarceration for your own homosexual advances towards boys. By the way, liberals do support gay adoption because gays who adopt are less likely to molest children than you or actual heterosexuals who take on foster children.

By A Republican Problem, eh?

October 3, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

By Somebody’s Mama October 3, 2006 08:32 AM Could this be because it has only been a Republican who has been caught in this type of conduct with a youth?

Really:

It goes without saying that the Democrats don’t have a much better record on this subject. Democratic Rep. Gerry Studds sexually abused a 17-year-old male congressional page but never expressed any regret. Rep. Barney Frank had a homosexual lover, selected from a “hot bottom” ad that ran in the Washington (Gay) Blade newspaper, who operated a prostitution ring out of the congressman’s apartment. Though he was reprimanded by the House, Frank is still a prominent member of Congress and held in high regard by fellow Democrats.

You libs REPRIMANDED Studds and Frank is in Congress TODAY shoving his crap down the throats of our children.

Hypocrite.

By Andy

October 3, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

Andy, like the Amish Schoolhouse Gunman, doesnt just comment, he invades this blog, complete with two by fours to bar doors and windows to prevent anyone else from posting with his long, log cabin, neo-birch, manifesto-style, intra-neural-gapped ramblings of total blabcock.

Like the gunman, Andy has sent emails to young Amish girls, torturing them with photos of himself using a telephone, a hair drier, and an electric toothbrush.

I minored in psyche, and have profiled for the FBI, the CIA, and many local law enforcement agencies. Andy is a time bomb and post offices everywhere need his mugshot. He is a 23 point criteria match for a clinical rating of sociopath. He wants to matter so much, he’s willing to hijack public forums like this.

They have new surgical strike lobotomy style operations that improve mutant behavior like Andy’s and I strongly suggest someone to step forward and get the proper court orders and make a better world.

By Shawny

October 3, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this

Amazing how this comes out a scant few days before an election. Who has held onto this info and timed it?

Another completely political ploy is the Woodward book released just in time. http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/articledisplay.jsp?vnucontent_id=1003189931

“…the Washington Post said the only real obligation here is to tell it before the election. “

By Andy

October 3, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

The Amish Schoolhouse Gunman, who killed himself and five young girls, has checked into drug/alchohol rehab.

A GOP spokesman said, “we are always horrified when this sort of thing happens. Naughty behavior like this is unnacceptable.”

By Shawny

October 3, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

Boycott Venezuelan owned Citgo. NO MAS.

By Liberals Suck

October 3, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this

Read this whole entire report if you want the truth and then look^^ at what political party is pushing for gay adoptions:

Is it a statistical fluke that 3 of the 4 gay foster parents above already had ‘a record of child molestation’ and yet were given boys to foster parent? Perhaps. But the bias that child protective services seem to exhibit in favor of homosexuals offers a more chilling possibility. While the ‘fox’ is not running the henhouse, there appear to be a considerable number of ‘foxes’ in these agencies — and in the current climate of ceding victimhood status to gays, even the non-foxes are inclined to ‘give homosexuals a second chance.’

Will it only be “wrong” when a Republican gets busted for it?

By gadem

October 3, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

Andy are you retarded or what?!!! Being homosexual is not the same as being a pedophile. Why do neocons try to put the two in the same boat? What about men that molest little girls, are they homosexual…no! Neocons do the same with Iraq and the war on terror. They are two seperate things. Afghanistan is part of the war on terror, and Iraq is just some c-r-a-p that Dubya got us into…don’t be so single celled your whole life.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 3, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

Of course, there are various idiots out there (Charles, Gordon, Andy) who compare Foley’s situation to Clinton’s. You people are sick, sick, sick. If you can’t see the difference between a consensual affair between adults (Clinton) and a grown man soliciting sex from children (Foley), you shouldn’t be allowed near children, schools, churches, and should probably be locked up yourselves. This goes beyond defending your ideology; this is defending some of the most degraded behavior society has to offer. Congratulations Charles, Gordon, and Andy, you three win the subhuman sicko awards for the day.

By cut this

October 3, 2006 08:52 AM | Link to this

On Friday afternoon, a strategist for Rep. Mark Foley tried to cut a deal with ABC’s Brian Ross.

The correspondent, who had dozens of instant messages that Foley sent to teenage House pages, had asked to interview the Florida Republican. Foley’s former chief of staff said the congressman was quitting and that Ross could have that information exclusively if he agreed not to publish the raw, sexually explicit messages.

“I said we’re not making any deals,” Ross recalls. He says the Internet made the story possible, because on Thursday he posted a story on his ABC Web page, the Blotter, after obtaining one milder e-mail that Foley had sent a 16-year-old page, asking for a picture. Within two hours, former pages had e-mailed Ross and provided the salacious messages. The only question then, says Ross, was “whether this could be authenticated.”

By The AJC Is A Filthy Anti American Rag

October 3, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

By One of the Major Hypocrites of This Blog October 3, 2006 08:40 AM The conservative rag, the Washington Times (not Bi Danish), has called for Dennis Hastert’s resignation, which is completely appropriate.

Alright, finally we’re on board with what the Washington Times has to say, by all means let’s quote them:

Some Democrats are attempting to make this “a Republican scandal,” and they shouldn’t; Democrats have contributed more than their share of characters in the tawdry history of congressional sexual scandals. Sexual predators come in all shapes, sizes and partisan hues, in institutions within and without government. When predators are found they must be dealt with, forcefully and swiftly.-WashingtonTimes

Thank you for bringing that up, Hypocrite.

By cut this

October 3, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

Tonight on ABC, investigative journalist Brian Ross suggested there may be other members of Congress who engaged in inappropriate behavior towards congressional pages:

BRIAN ROSS: So far, Foley is the only member whose overt sexual approaches have been documented. Charlie?

CHARLES GIBSON: The only one to be documented, but are there other shoes to drop?

ROSS: We’re hearing quite a bit from former pages. They’re sending us all sorts of messages about possible other members.

By The AJC Is A Filthy Anti American Rag

October 3, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this

Listen into the Liberal Suicide Bomber Finch, Pedophile Freak:

By Andy October 3, 2006 08:46 AM

Hear his fuse sizzling? This loser is fixing to blow:

By pedophile bon scott freak September 29, 2006 06:58 PM Short eyes likes his boy toys!! Is that why you get juiced? Yummmmm… just watch their little legs!!

By Luckovich Censors Conservatives

October 3, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

So which political party wants to get young children together with gays?:

By gadem October 3, 2006 08:50 AM Andy are you retarded or what?!!! Being homosexual is not the same as being a pedophile.

It’s only “wrong” if it’s a Republican doing it, right?

See what I mean?

By Karl Rove

October 3, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

2006 Rebuplican Campaign Slogan: Vote Republican, stand behind our youth, and erect your family value.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

October 3, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

It’s so Oedipal it’s incredible.

By Brian Curtis

October 3, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

C’mon, neocon hacks, let’s hear it! You can do better than this. There’s gotta be a way to blame this on Clinton, there’s just gotta!

Cheap shots at gays aren’t cutting it; too many Americans have wised up to the fact that “gay” does not equal “pedophile.” So you need to come up with something new, some way to lay this on Clinton’s doorstep.

There’s your challenge for the day (as it is every day, really): THINK!

By getalife

October 3, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this

Day two of Pagegate on MSM and the cons are demanding Hasturd to step down.

It is beyond me how Americans can vote for these pervert appeasers.

Yesterday, Frist wants to cut and run from the taliban.

Terrorist appeaser.

The gop true colors are showing.

By Truthman

October 3, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this

Excellent post, Mrs. Godzilla!!

Excellent Post!!

By Liberal Texas Democrat

October 3, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this

[“It’s only “wrong” if it’s a Republican doing it, right?

See what I mean?”](http://www.armchairsubversive.com/)

By gadem

October 3, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

Andy, I hope that you are not that dumb….so in your twisted little mind, being a pedophile is the same as being a homosexual??? You are why everybody is not qualified to home school their kids, because they may turn out like you.

By Luckovich Censors Conservatives

October 3, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

I hate gays so much because I have immense homosexual tendencies and end up hating myself.

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Mark Foley is my hero.

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Mark Foley had my dream job- conservative politician, gay pedophile on the side.

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My name is Andy.

By Shawny

October 3, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

The only ones showing their true colors are those that are making this into a GOP issue. This sick perv should have resigned, but Studds should have too.
Don’t be a hypocrite.
Don’t buy into the suspicious timing of this event either. Election politics at its best.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 3, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Why does every one of your posts imply that it’s not wrong to be a pedophile? Are you trying to advance your own hidden agenda?

By Liberal Texas Democrat

October 3, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

fixing the link It’s only “wrong” if it’s a Republican doing it, right? See what I mean?

By Pat Robertson

October 3, 2006 09:28 AM | Link to this

In order to save the Republican party and America, I now declare that I will be a candidate for President in 2008.

I warned you about Tinky Winky, I was right the whole time. I forgive you.

Family Values in ‘08…..Robertson/Reed….Thats the ticket!

By getalife

October 3, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

I will never forget the gop actually booing Pelosi for demanding an investigation.

I watched it live on C-Span and I am glad that it is recorded for history.

It was a disgusting spectacle that all Americans should see. I posted it at kos and they were enraged because most are parents.

Begala: “If somebody said that to my kid they will deal with a law firm Smith and Wesson. It’s going to my 12-gauge.”

This should be the parents reaction. I will never vote gop.

By Jack This Finchie

October 3, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

You tell me what political party would rather appease homosexuals then protect our children:

By Brian Curtis October 3, 2006 09:12 AM Cheap shots at gays aren’t cutting it; too many Americans have wised up to the fact that “gay” does not equal “pedophile.”

Will it only be “wrong” when a Republican does it?

You stupid filthy liberals have been hammering society with your perversions and depravity and now you are shocked that someone would actually do it?

What the hell is this?

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

I agree with you, plus -

Apparently Brian Ross knew about Foley’s activities for a very long time but was too busy dealing with Hurricane Katrina and the 9/11 Anniversary to get to it. What a bunch of BS.

Maybe Brian Ross should resign too? What kind of person keeps salacious information like this a secret when not speaking up allows the predatory behavior to continue?

Someone looking for a sensational scoop?

This story smells to high heaven.

Exactly who knew what when will come out sooner or later. It’s too bad it can’t be sooner.

Andy,

Great comments!

By Gordon

October 3, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

One of the Majority’s Voices of Dissent, please reread my previous post and tell me where I was “defending my ideology” by defending Foley. I did no such thing. I was responding to an earlier post that suggested all of Clinton’s escapades involved CONSENTING adults, when in fact they did not. The last paragraph of my post said that Foley should go to jail, and that I would not defend the indefensible just because he was a member of a political party that I dislike less than the other one.

Maybe you should calmly read what people have written before you start the name calling.

By Liberal Hypocrites

October 3, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Homosexuals are considerably more apt to involve themselves sexually with the underage. Anyone actually in contact with the phenomenon has to acknowledge this fact, perhaps most strongly explicated by the chairman of FRI in 1985.1 While homosexual spokesmen have disputed his conclusion, in a paper published in 2000 by Blanchard, Barbareee, Bogaert, Dicky, Klassen, Kuban, and Zucker2 the authors noted that the best epidemiological evidence indicates that only 2-4% of men attracted to adults prefer men..; in contrast, around 25-40% of men attracted to children prefer boys.

By Shawny

October 3, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

I think they were booing Pelosi for…well, being Pelosi.

By Pat Robertson

October 3, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

My first act as a candidate is to call on Congress to call for a Special Session, right before the election. We need to stir up the base.

We need Congress to pass the Defense of Marriage Amendment NOW.

Things are out of control, this will calm things down.

GOD BLESS AMERICA

By Leslie

October 3, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

Mike; This news on Foley is disturbing, but the more it’s discussed, the more apparent it becomes that party politics are more important than the kids. While a Republican congressman has brought shame upon himself, his party has forced his resignation and they should have. The way the Democrats are handling it is reflective of the partisan politics they’re well known for. The voters are wise to their tactics. They don’t play well with an intelligent constituency.

By Dusty

October 3, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this

Well, it is very obvious. This is how to makes Democrats happy in Congress.

ALL Republicans should resign immediately and name a Democrat to take their place. (The only way that Democrats can get a majority in congress.)

And according to Ms. Godzilla, All parents of molested children should also resign. (No mention of just whom should take over their job.)

The Republican Party should be banished as “who needs ‘em” when you have Pelosi, Kennedy, Shumer, Durbin, Hillary and others to lead everyone away from religion, ethics, and out of Iraq and Afghanistan. America will have ONE political party known as “The Cut’n’Run Crowd”. No more political dissent because ANYTHING GOES.

Who knows, Luckovich? You may be el presidente of “The Cut’n’Run Crowd” amd the whole country will be one big ugly cartoon.

By Andy loves NAMBLA

October 3, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

Pervert.

By Block Psycho Blogger

October 3, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

Is there any way we can read this blog without the perverse stuff that this Andy guy writes? He is WACKO! What a freak!

By Shawny

October 3, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

Got to love that wacky state of Massachussetts… Congressman Studds has sex with a 17 year old page, gets censured by congress (but not removed), turns his back on the speaker in an act of defiance as a sign of rejection of the censure, and as a result, Mass re-elects him several more times.

If you are politicizing the Foley thing, as Mikeypoo and other libbies are, you are being hypocritical. This perv Foley does not represent. He is a disgrace, just like Studds.

By Shawny

October 3, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

Got to love that wacky state of Massachussetts… Congressman Studds has sex with a 17 year old page, gets censured by congress (but not removed), turns his back on the speaker in an act of defiance as a sign of rejection of the censure, and as a result, Mass re-elects him several more times.

If you are politicizing the Foley thing, as Mikeypoo and other libbies are, you are being hypocritical. This perv Foley does not represent. He is a disgrace, just like Studds.

By James Dobson

October 3, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

Thanks Andy for posting links to those well respected sites.

Here is a little something from my website- Focus on the Family, if we get them young we can prevent these things from happening in the future. My Focus on the Family website shows in depth how to convert your gay child, enjoy!

Meanwhile, the boy’s father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son’s maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger.

James Dobson http://www.family.org/docstudy/newsletters/a0021043.cfm

By Spin!

October 3, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

Spin! (a lyrical poem inspired by our illustrious Congress and the Five Man Electrical Band song “Signs”)

Spin, spin, everywhere there’s spin ‘Til we don’t know who’s right We don’t know who’s in

Spin, Spin, everywhere there’s spin Republicans in Congress are at it again Stay the course and stand up cuz that’s how we spin

Spin, Spin, everywhere there’s spin Foley is a “naughty” boy And here we go again!

Spin, Spin, everywhere there’s spin Hastert is a master But all he knows is spin

Spin, Spin, everywhere there’s spin Bush is in the White House with a war to spin Our Army’s got no armor, just the will to win Don’t you know it’s spin? Oh, Don’t you know it’s spin?

Spin, Spin, all that’s left is spin

By getalife

October 3, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

[We should send them to gitmo, they are the enemy of our children] (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/03/endless-detention/)

Sweet irony.

By N-GA

October 3, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

Calling Lying Andy (the Bed Wetter) a wacko is like calling a habitual drunk an alcoholic. He doesn’t see himself as a problem, but everyone else does (except his fellow drunks).

By Cal

October 3, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

Mike, Moral decay is supported by the tolerance party of leftists and vice versa. You’ll have a hard time biting the Republican party since you’ve got no teeth.

Gumming up the works by making it a partisan issue sure won’t help the kids. It’ll leave your party bruised though.

By Pat Robertson

October 3, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

Thanks for that James Dobson. Your website oozes with values.

Maybe thats what Rep. Foley was trying to do to that page. Convert him from being homosexual. Those e-mails could have been Foley’s attempt to show the child his large maness thus changing the childs sexuality! Brilliant!

I love Family Values.

By Quincy

October 3, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

How much more does it take of exposing this culture of corrupt politicians that has been running our country for the past 10 years to take hold. If ever there was a time for change in direction in Congress, in the presidency in our country - Speak now VOTERS or forever hold your peace.

By RE

October 3, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

Andy, When you think someone else is stupid… Please just keep it to yourself, because you are about to embarass yourself.

Do you even read what you post. Buchanan is comparing our situation in this country to France just prior to Den bien fu.

Come on now, your reading comprehension cannot be that bad, if it is head on back to 5th grade please

By Huge

October 3, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

“You stupid filthy liberals have been hammering society with your perversions and depravity and now you are shocked that someone would actually do it?”

I knew some jackass would come up with this one! No surprise that it’s sociopath boy, though. One could easily infer from that statement that if and when he does something similar, it’s somebody else’s fault.

And his pathetic enabler says? “Great comments!”

Like some of the Cathloic priests the worst of the neo-cons are so sexually frustrated, so full of self-loathing, so confused, they just can’t handle their self-repressed desires and the temptations, and every once in awhile it spins out of control in a sickening but predictable way.

These disgusting people like the one who posted that garbage (the party of personal responsibility! HA!) try to blame MSM, Hollywood, anybody but themselves. But it’s them, their own twisted personal perversions and a total lack of accountability that are the problem. NO ONE ELSE.

By Lord Help Us

October 3, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

Deranged Moron,

Since you are so stupid you exclusively equate homosexuality with pedophilia (‘A wasted mind is a terrible thing’ - Dan Quayle)…

Please send VP Cheney a PRIORITY message to keep his gay daughter away from children - also copy your other hero, Alan Keyes…

You have GOT to be THE most STUPID person I have ever come across…

By Lord Help Us

October 3, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Yup, Republican Family Values are a real HOOT!

Marcel-Keyes told the Post her parents have thrown her out of the house, stopped speaking to her and refuse to pay for college because she is gay. She said she loves her parents.

By Dusty

October 3, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

To the Spinner of lost ideals…

Spin, Spin we’re still gonna win.

We despise your same ol’ lies.

Here’s a song you oughta’ sing.

About an eagle on the wing.

About our freedom reigning still,

About our hearts still strong in will,

That every citizen is equal here

And none should suffer blight and fear.

So spin, spin, now sing your song.

But sing it right and do no wrong.

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

All you Neo-con whiners going on endlessly about President Clinton’s sexual transgressions fail to see that he had a thing for ADULT WOMEN, not TEENAGE children — apparently, you Neo-cons don’t understand the difference or even care about the difference. Consenting adults don’t need to apologize to each other — that’s why Paula Jones was never asked to apologize to Pres. Clinton for following him up to his hotel room. The key word here is CONSENTING.

Our society gives consenting ADULTS the right to engage in sexual activity (as long as no money is exchanged in the process!). And we protect underage children from the sexual wants and perversions of some adults, by prosecuting those adults who cross that legal line and are caught breaking the law. Underage kids are not considered CONSENTING ADULTS by our society.

And whatever problem you Neo-cons still have regarding Sen. Kennedy still serving his constituents in Massachusetts, you need to address that with those voters in that state!

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

I’m wondering today what can we do to protect our children from all those cowards in America who are toting their guns around and taking their anger out on school children. We’ve obviously waited too long to do something about the NRA promoting their “guns for everybody!” strategy. Another one of those “family values” ideals that the Neo-cons love, I guess.

By getalife

October 3, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

Another Foley toon

And another one

By Silly Liberal

October 3, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

By RE October 3, 2006 10:18 AM Andy, When you think someone else is stupid… Please just keep it to yourself, because you are about to embarass yourself. Do you even read what you post. Buchanan is comparing our situation in this country to France just prior to {{{{{{{{{{{Den bien fu.}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Oh, O.K. Bro, at least I spelled it right.

So what your genius mind is saying is that Vietnam was full of pinkos that threw down the American Flag and ran away in surrender and that’s what caused the French to lose?

That’s nice to know.

By RE

October 3, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

Condi and the administration seem to be having a problem keeping thier lies straight: Confirmed: Tenet Did Brief Rice On Al Qaeda Threat..

By Calling The Haters What They Are

October 3, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

Look at which political party makes excuses for the homosexual pedophiles:

By Huge October 3, 2006 10:26 AM Like some of the Cathloic priests the worst of the neo-cons are so sexually frustrated, so full of self-loathing, so confused, they just can’t handle their self-repressed desires and the temptations, and every once in awhile it spins out of control in a sickening but predictable way.

So I guess it’s only “wrong” when a Republican does it.

By I'm confused

October 3, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

Dear Andy,

Which came first? Your alcoholism or your lust for boys?

Which contributes more to your mental instability?

Are you really a stooge of the Democrats paid to make the GOP look really stupid?

Sincerely, confused.

By RE

October 3, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Let me try to do this nicely.

France prior to Dien Bien Fu was an empire with colonies and protectorites in SE asia and africa. The amount of obligations both military and political began to put a strain on France. After the battle of Dien Bien fu, where the french lost in Vietnam and had to pull out, Algieria was inspired to revolution against France. This caused a governmental change in France and they withdrew from being an empire on the world stage.

Buchanan is drawing parallels between France and the US being overstretched militarily, and having a populace not supporting the military effort.

Nothing to do with Pinkos, Flag waving, or commies. I hope this helps

By bon scott

October 3, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

RE,

I just heard Laura Ingraham insisting that the core issue in whether or not Condi was told by Tenet about al Qaeda… was why the 9/11 Commission was (apparently) told about the warning but “forgot” to include it in it’s final report!!

No, no, no, no NO!!!

Laura, like the wingnuts here is clearly drunk and delusional.

The core issues are whether or not Condi was told (she clearly was), what she did after Tenet told her (which was nothing), and why she’s lying about it.

Hi Andy! Can I buy you a drink? How’s your boytoy mentoring program coming? I mean, going?

By Glenn

October 3, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

HEY, AT LEAST THE DEMS WAIT TO PREY ON WHITE HOUSE INTERNS/PAGES UNTIL THEY ARE 18 YEARS OLD!!!! THE REPUBLICANS DON’T!!!!

I UNDERSTAND THIS FOLEY CHARACTER WAS INFATUATED WITH MALE MASTURBATION AND WANTED ALL THE DETAILS AS TO HOW FAST THE KID WAS STROKING HIS SWINGIN’ SIRLOIN AND WITH WHAT KIND OF LUBRICATION!!!! THE I.M.’S EXCHANGED BETWEEN THEM IS ACTUALLY KIND OF FUNNY, YET FRICKEN’ SICKENING AT THE SAME TIME!!! WOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOO

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

By B.Moore

October 3, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

I see a problem with calling for Hastert’s resignation on the Foley issue. Foley resigned because his guilt was more than apparent.

If Hastert were to resign, guilt would be assumed, and we would return to politics as usual. If or when it is proven, that will be the time to call for his resignation. Patience brings to light that which is necessary for needed reform.

What we’re seeing on the part of the Democrats is a rush to judgment, expediency in the interest of partisan politics and the upcoming elections.

It’s a discouraging display at a time when this country needs to come together in the interest of our children, not just political parties.

By RE

October 3, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

Kinda of a random observation here but:

Bill O’rielly

Sean Hannity

Maureen Dowd

Pat Buchanan

Chris Mathews

Tim Russert

Peggy Noonan

Helen Thomas

Is it just me or are the Irish a little loud and opinionated?

By Shawny

October 3, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

HEY, AT LEAST THE DEMS WAIT TO PREY ON WHITE HOUSE INTERNS/PAGES UNTIL THEY ARE 18 YEARS OLD!!!!

Funny, Studds boy was 17…underage. Don’t make this partisan. It isn’t a Republican issue. It is a sicko issue. There are sickos all over.

By Moron Liberal

October 3, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

By RE October 3, 2006 11:05 AM Buchanan is drawing parallels between France and the US being overstretched militarily, and having a populace not supporting the military effort. Nothing to do with Pinkos, Flag waving, or commies. I hope this helps

RE Moron: Does Al Qaeda have a regular army that can defeat the United States on the battlefield like Vietnam did to France at Ben Den Phoeee (sarcast spelling to mock this dumba-ss)?

You and Buchanan. Don’t it figure?

By Speaking Of BoyToys, Again!!!

October 3, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

By pedophile bon scott freak September 29, 2006 06:58 PM Short eyes likes his boy toys!! Is that why you get juiced? Yummmmm… just watch their little legs!!

By Shawny

October 3, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

Defeating France…now that is funny. Don’t hate on France. They make some of the best white flags in the world.

By RE

October 3, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

bon, I know it is a little sad.

They run from the same playbook all the time. Lets see if you recognize this… Mark Foley resigns due to his sex scandal.

It took 24 hours, but the story line developed like this, Bring up Gerry Studds as often as possible, not directly comparing the two, but just putting a democrat in the mix. Never mind it was 1973 when this happened and was consensual.

Next, call it a political attack, the timing of it coming out right before an election and all. Never mention what actually happened, just that it happened before an election.

Third, demand accountability, but only from the press and any democrats that might be involved.

Last, Appeal to the highground and say this partisanship is not what our country needs in this desperate time of….(fill in blank)

By RE

October 3, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

I really tried to explain to him, but the boy just aint right in the head

By Calling The Taliking Points What They Are

October 3, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

By RE October 3, 2006 11:22 AM Next, call it a political attack, the timing of it coming out right before an election and all. Never mention what actually happened, just that it happened before an election.

Gawd, what a sap:

The Democrats’ party committees are hitting on all cylinders today. They want candidates in each and every House and Senate race to push the Foley scandal to its hilt. (Sample DSCC release: “Foley Sex Scandal Hits DeWine.” Sample WI Dem party release: “Foley Scandal: What Did Green Know and When Did He Know it?”) Here’s Dems’ playbook: 1. Pay no heed to the distinction between the e-mails and IMs. There’s no evidence (yet) that any Republican leaders knew about Foley’s cybersex IMs. There’s plenty of evidence that they knew how uncomfortable the “overly friendly” e-mails made at least one page. So the Dems will press the GOP on what they knew about the former and will constantly, in their press releases, refer to the “GOP’s knowledge of the sexually explicit e-mails. 2. Enlarge the wedge between House leaders. The tension this weekend between Speaker Dennis Hastert and NRCC chair Tom Reynolds was thick. Dems want it to suffocate the party and throw the Republicans even further off their game. 3. Be aggressive about how Dems will — and are — protecting children. Dems want to keep the issue poisonous in a way that’s clear and direct to middle America. (In other words: this ain’t earmarks.) “

Gee, RE you mean like this^^.

Clown.

There’s a whole nother 15 points I left out in the interest of post length.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 3, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

B. Moore,

You are mistaken if you think it’s just Democrats calling for Hastert’s resignation. I’ve heard far more Republicans “coming out” with that opinion in the last 24 hours. House Majority Leader, John Boehner was the last one heard pointing the finger in the direction of Hastert. Face it, there’s no way you can blame this debacle on Democrats. Your party is corrupt and in disarray from the very top down. And you loons are in denial.

By SPIN!

October 3, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

awww,c’mon now Dusty — you can sing it SECOND VERSE SAME AS THE FIRST!

Spin, spin, everywhere there’s spin ‘Til we don’t know who’s right We don’t know who’s in

Spin, Spin, everywhere there’s spin Republicans in Congress are at it again Stay the course and stand up cuz that’s how we spin

Spin, Spin, everywhere there’s spin Foley is a “naughty” boy And here we go again!

Spin, Spin, everywhere there’s spin Hastert is a master But all he knows is spin

Spin, Spin, everywhere there’s spin Bush is in the White House with a war to spin Our Army’s got no armor, just the will to win Don’t you know it’s spin? Oh, Don’t you know it’s spin?

Spin, Spin, all that’s left is spin

By getalife

October 3, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

Yes, it is a pitiful state of the union. North Korea is testing nukes.

I have always said it is very dangerous to have no credibilty and no accountability.

Also, I was right about Andy and his ilk being insane with the voices screaming in their heads, blaming libs for their mistakes.

They are cowards who will not admit mistakes. Failed Americans.

By Calling The Hypocrites What They Really Are

October 3, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Scandal: Right after Mark Foley was revealed to have had inappropriate e-mail conversations with a 16-year-old page, he resigned and checked into rehab. Now, what did Democrats know, and when did they know it? But it didn’t take long at all after Foley’s resignation for the Democrats to call for an investigation of the entire Republican leadership in the House, charging that GOP stalwarts knew early on that Foley, as they like to say in the rehab business, had a “problem.” If anything, the episode reveals the Democrats’ hypocrisy about their own behavior. The fact that Foley resigned virtually within minutes of being told that ABC News had copies of his salacious e-mails and text messages indicates he at least felt shame for his actions. Can the same be said for Democrats?

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Bill Frist is really going out on a limb now — what a visionary leader

Such a winning strategy, to install the same criminal government that we supported until Sept. 11th…

By RE

October 3, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Just like that, the article did a much better job. The Dems nover have a good soapbox to stand on and pound home the tallking points though.

Here is what is humorous to me, watch Sean Hannity last night pound home every talking point, especially how Brian Ross needed to be fired for holding onto the story for political purposes. He called it a smear campaign, a political attack by the dems for an election year advantage. He said the Dems were sick for using such underhanded tactics.

The very next segment was a tape of Jack Murtha NOT taking a bribe in the Abscam scandal. 26 years later, released just before an election. Hannity did not see the irony or inconsistancy in his own statements

By Lord Help Us

October 3, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Man, Oh Man,

One can sense the desperation inflicting those that pathetically continue to shill for an incompetent Republican Administration and a culture of corruption on Capital Hill that defies belief.

Desperately flinging mud at the wall hoping…praying that something…ANYTHING will stick…

Among more and more evidence that this President is…simply…over his head and unable to LEAD.

As more and more evidence of the culture of corruption as evidenced by the Abramoff scandal, indictments against Cunningham, Ney, Delay, etc. gets exposed.

As we find out more about the pre-9/11 warnings given to this Administration.

And, Now as we find out that their desperation has led them to overlook a pedophile in their ranks just to…help…them…keep…their…majority.

So Sad…

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

HA-HA, I heard someone say that GOP actually stands for “Gang of Perverts” — I was myself was saying “Grand Ole Pedophiles” but that’s too narrow a description… perverts is much more inclusive a term for that group!

By getalife

October 3, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

Yep, Clinton wins again

Wingnuts are so gullible.

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this

As usual, the strategy is: let’s blame the victim of whatever problem we’ve caused

When blaming President Clinton for everything fails (strategy #1), just use this back-up strategy #2…

By The Liberals Babble, I Provide Facts

October 3, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

Brian Ross of ABC News said he learned about the e-mail messages in August but was too busy with Hurricane Katrina and the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks to pursue them immediately. None of the organizations seemed to anticipate how big the story would become. “I never thought it would lead to his resignation,” Mr. Ross said.

By B.Moore

October 3, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

Voice; I’ll concede that you are right about Republicans calling for Hastert’s resignation. Pandering politicians from either side in the interest of upcoming elections still won’t reveal the truth.

I want the truth first and always and patience is a requirement for getting to the truth. I know of no conservative who isn’t calling for Foley’s due punishment under the law. Hastert resigning his leadership role would be acceptable, but if he’s proven innocent, he should be reinstated.

Five years in prison for Foley under the present law applied by liberal judges won’t cut it with me though. Make it 20 to life w/o parole. It’s time to get tough with child predators, they’re growing in numbers and I want to know why.

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

So many failures, so few days per year

It’s the incompetence, stupid!

By Truthman

October 3, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

I guess this was Karl Rove’s “October Surprise!?!”

Thanks Karl! You’re doing a heck of a job!!

By bon scott

October 3, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

The GOP spinning over Foley just leaves me incredulous!

“It’s the same as Monica!” No, it’s not. She was an adult, it was consensual.

“It’s the same as Studds, Frank, Crane, Packwood and Hart” (notice that’s a bi partisan group). No, it’s not. Those relationships were consentual. Foley was a STALKER.

“Democrats buried this story until just before the election”. It’s more likely that the GOP tried and FAILED to bury this story until AFTER the election.

Then again, maybe the Foley story’s a GOP plot to distract Americans from the REAL story of Republican incompetence. The gross mishandling of the war on terror and the positively stupid Iraq invasion, detailed so brilliantly in Woodward’s “State Of Denial”.

After all, sex scandals burn bright and peak fast. But the aftereffects of warmongering, profiteering and stupendous stupidity and incompetence last for generations.

By Midori

October 3, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

there’s no way he would let her resign — he has to have that token.

with this administration, it’s not about competence - it’s all about appearance and perception. and yes, cronyism.

Yet the moron still polls in single digits among african americans.

By bon scott

October 3, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Andy. It’s the fault of Brian Ross and Democrats that Foley got caught stalking a peach-fuzzed teenager. Have another drink.

By the way, what kind of lubricant do you and your boy-toys prefer? Do you use xanax or roofies to loosen them up, or does vodka alone do the trick?

By Midori

October 3, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

Congressman says Foley scandal page threatened!!

oh, my!!

By Calling The Hypocrites What They Really Are

October 3, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

Tell us the “news” paper that stood up for sex offenders and their right to prowl for children at school bus stops:

Sex offender law is short-sighted-AtlantaUrinal

It’s only “wrong” when a Republican does it.

By Huge

October 3, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

Re: the 11:30

Boo. Hoo. Hoo…

Such gnashing of teeth! Such whining! Such accusations of political one upsmanship!

And who’s complaining so tearily?!

The professional mudslingers who belong to an organization that gave you Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Spiro Agnew, John Ehrlichman, H R Haldeman, G Gordon Liddy, Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr, Karl Rove, G W Bush, Dick Cheney, The Swift Boat Gang, Tom Delay, Raplh Reed, Jack Abramoff, and their stooges; Falwell, Robertson, Hannity, Matalin, Limbaugh, Novak, Coulter and O’Reilly. And many others, I can’t recall at the moment.

Notwithstanding that American politics has a long history of demonstrating that it can sometimes be a dirty business, and the dems are hardly better, these are champions of fair play and class, one and all!

Because they’ve upped the sleaze factor so much, and have let the American people down by an equally enormous amount, this “new” gop, by and large, deserves evey bit of pain that’s coming to them. And hopefully the American voters will demonstrate that at the polls next month…

By RE

October 3, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

Meanwhile, Florida newspapers — who were leaked copies of the e-mail with the Louisiana boy last year — defended their decision not to run stories. Both The St. Petersburg Times and The Miami Herald were given copies of the e-mail, as were other news organizations, including Fox News.

“Our decision at the time was … that because the language was not sexually explicit and was subject to interpretation, from innocuous to ‘sick,’ as the page characterized it, to be cautious,” said Tom Fiedler, executive editor of the Herald. “Given the potentially devastating impact that a false suggestion of pedophilia could have on anyone, not to mention a congressman known to be gay, and lacking any corroborating information, we chose not to do a story.”

By Dusty

October 3, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

Aw, Spin,

Is that the best you can do,

Repeat someone else’s song, not one time but two?

Guess you didn’t notice that a repeat is boring.

So sing elsewhere with the liberals you are adoring.

By RE

October 3, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

Watch as Boehner throws hastert under the bus

Boehner, the second-ranking GOP leader, became the latest member of the party’s high command to outline his involvement when he answered questions in his radio interview.

“I believe I talked to the speaker, and he told me it had been taken care of,” he said, when asked about the e-mails that were not sexually explicit. He said that had occurred last spring.

“In my position, it’s in his corner, it’s his responsibility. The clerk of the House, who runs the page program, the page board, all report to the speaker, and I believed it had been dealt with. Again, I didn’t know the context of what even the original message (said),” he added.

By Austin Powers

October 3, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

Dirty fat Hasturd runs after pages screaming,”get in my belly!”

By Midori

October 3, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

RE,

Last night Craig Crawford on Countdown said that the GOP will throw Hastert under the bus - provided there’s enough space for him under there :)

By RE

October 3, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this

Remember, Hastert is a wrestling coach, he will be able to get under the bus if he remembers how to sprawl

By Thomas

October 3, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

Wow —-

I look at this garbage of debate over a sexual misconduct of a senator that has now occupied both the media and blogs and the very lives of the American people and I think what a waste of our lives.

Just like I felt the waste of millions of taxpayer dollars and time to take Clinton to trial for an issue that should have been between him and his wife alone, I find that I am just as apppaled at the waste on an issue that should now be settled by the justice system alone.

However I do understand the “what goes around comes around” attitude here against the GOP, seeing as this is still small in media scope compared to the field day that the GoP had against the President himself over a sexual encounter. Many Presdients have had liasons, and not been dragged through the mud like the Ken Starr MonkeyCourt show and tell against Clinton did as we all witnessed back then. I objected to such things then, and I object to such things now.

Let the courts decide the issues with Foley, Hastert, and anyone else that may have been involved. And to my fellow democrats I would say don’t stoop to the same level of slime that the GoP did when they went after Clinton for his indiscretion at a time when there were far more important issues in the world to debate than a b*****.

This is a subject that has little relevence in the world at large - and I fear that while we as a country spend our days debating Foley, we miss the really important issues in the world such as this!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/03/northkoreanuke_test/

Thomas

By Huge

October 3, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Re: your post of 11:47.

I was going to comment about how the people from the great state of Tennessee have such fabulous representation in the US Senate!

But then again, we’ve gone from Sam Nunn to Saxby Chambliss so I can’t really throw any stones! (Although at times Frist is a complete tool…)

By Paul

October 3, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

Goldie: interesting comments at 10:41, Actually, NRA support isn’t limited to neocons. Go to Wisconsin during hunting season - or to many other blue states - and you will see a bit of emotionalism regarding gun ownership. Jack Anderson (investigative reporter) wrote an interesting book about ten years ago on the NRA - you’d likely find it an interesting read.

RE: nicely done at 11:05. Example illustrates disconnect between Pentagon planning (2-war or 1 war and a major regional conflict) and real-world developments. Also problems with current force structure - Ralph Peters book, around 1999, suggested splitting military into conventional warfighting arm and a reconstruction/nationbuilding arm. Two years before 9-11 - looking at Iraq I think he may have been onto something.

Moron Liberal at 11:17 - “Does Al Qaeda have a regular army that can defeat the United States on the battlefield like Vietnam did to France at Ben Den Phoeee” - Not a parallel situation. Giap changed from an insurgency to a conventional battle to defeat the French in Indochina. The attitude of “how many divisions does the Pope command (Stalin)” is one reason the West is in this situation. Jihadists are nonstate, nonconventional, disregard the laws of armed conflict, inflict noncombatant casualties as a matter of course and an instrument of terror. “Regular army” is not an issue in this situation - in fact, pursuing that question detracts from developing effective strategies to defeat jihadists. Coupling their determination to reestablish a caliphate and kill nonbelievers with certain states’ ability to provide nonconventional weapons to these groups represent a profound threat and a new kind of warfare.

By Midori

October 3, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I’d like to say that it’s really nice to have you here. You bring a sense of calm and sanity. I do admire your posts.

By WashingtonState

October 3, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

Incredible. The people the Republicans have to worry about are the core religious right. They are the ones who are truly outraged. Why expend all this vitriol on each other? The religious right already “knows” that liberals are godless perverts. Now they need to be convinced that Republican politicians aren’t cut from the same mold.

By SPIN!! Part deux!

October 3, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

Who knew you would need more SPIN!?! (The GOP is sooo darn good at it)

SPIN!! PART DEUX! (by popular demand, thanks DUSTY – you’re a great American)

Spin, spin, everywhere there’s spin Wrapped up in the Flag and takin’ it on the chin

Spin, spin, everywhere there’s spin Republicans hidin’ and running like the wind

Spin, spin, everywhere there’s spin All this sex talk with kids reminds ‘em of LEWINSKI again

Spin, spin, everywhere they spin Those GOPer’s sure know how to win

Spin, spin, everywhere there’s spin If Lewinski-gate doesn’t do it, blame the kids again!

Spin, spin, everywhere there’s spin We don’t need no investigation, the “naughty” boy left the GOP to SPIN!

By @@

October 3, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

It would be interesting to get the opinions of the pages on this issue. Afterall, their interest in all things political is evident. Most young people who pursue positions as pages aspire to enter politics at some point.

Do they see Foley as an individual representative of his party’s policies, or do they see child predators as an issue relative to liberal policies?

Never think of kids as stupid. The very fact that they are un-encumbered may offer some much needed insight into where the blame needs to be placed.

Paging all pages. Come to the rescue of America’s adults. Is it Republican Foley, liberal folly, or both?

By Enraged Conservative Parent

October 3, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

pretty simple, if you ask me —

if anyone, in any position of power had any previous knowledge about this molestation of children (about a year older than my boy), they must be driven out of office immediately.

simply put: whoever knew, they go, too.

By RE

October 3, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

Thanks Paul, I really think he missed the point of the op-ed. I do not always agree with him, but Buchanan is usually pretty well thought out.

By N-GA

October 3, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

The GOP has been using the “Family Values” pitch for a long time in an attempt to paint the opposition as weak on family values. It is a complete and utter lie to suggest such a thing about dems/libs, but in doing so the GOP exposes itself to heated criticism when their candidates are caught at a weak moment.

Of course the GOP’s little fascist supporters go screaming back about Clinton or Kennedy or Studds (why bother…does this justify Foley’s behavior?). After all, the Republican mayor of Spokane was outed when he offered a city hall internship to an online contact (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/223201_west06.html).

My point is that this incident has become politicized both both sides, and the primary issue tends to get lost. So many have said “Well at least he did the right thing and resigned.” Well, Spokane Mayor Jim West chose not to resign. There are simply too many incidents on both sides of the aisle to paint either party as being more perverted than the other.

So the issue could be reduced perhaps, to two questions:

1 - Was any law broken by Foley? 2 - Was there early knowledge of the problem that was withheld, thereby exposing other pages to the risk of sexual exploitation?

Perhaps someday we will know the truth about the matter. Until then, perhaps we should pause to remember:

The Department of Defense announced today the death of a Marine who was supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Cpl. Aaron L. Seal, 23, of Elkhart, Ind., died Oct. 1 while conducting combat operations against enemy forces in Al Anbar province, Iraq. He was assigned to Marine Forces Reserve’s 6th Engineer Support Battalion, 4th Marine Logistics Group, Sound Bend, Ind.

By N-GA

October 3, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

@@,

Nice try, but those are definitely not the only two choices/questions you could/should ask the pages. Why not ask them if they blame it on MTV, Ecstasy, Fear that the draft might be reinstituted, the full moon, etc.?

Your post shows that by asking carefully crafted questions (When did you stop beating your husband?), you can stigmatize the person or group of your choosing. I suggest you….nevermind.

By RE

October 3, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this

@@,

Come on now, liberal folly?

COuple things first, this incident does not reflect how republicans act, being in the GOP should not mean you are gay or a pedophile. The responsibility is on Foley for his actions.

It does seem that the House leadership, specifically Hastert was informed and was in the position as speaker of the house to investigate any wrongdoing if he had known about it. This is a question that needs to be answered in due course. Some culpability does go to Shimkus as well, he ran the page program.

How does this reflect in anyway on liberals?

By Midori

October 3, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

New Foley Instant Messages; Had Internet Sex While Awaiting House Vote

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

By bon scott - October 3, 2006 12:16 PM

“…By the way, what kind of lubricant do you and your boy-toys prefer? Do you use xanax or roofies to loosen them up, or does vodka alone do the trick?..”

Sounds like Bonnie “legs” Scott is an expert on these matters^^^.

Freakie Finch,

Why don’t you try arguing an issue on its merits for once instead of boring us all with your sick obsessions?

No one is excusing Foley’s behavior and he has resigned. The Justice Department is investigating the possibility of criminal acts.

Brian Ross was handed a story by a Democrat operative and it appears that he was privy to lurid details that Hastert et al were not. It looks like he let the Pages be victimized because he was too “busy” blaming Bush for Katrina.

Would you like to try to dispute that or are you too busy foaming at the mouth and reading kiddie porn?

By RE

October 3, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

Creepy and getting creepier

By For the Children

October 3, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

For the children, please vote Dem!

By cut this

October 3, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

Uh. Mah. Gawd.

I…words simply fail me.

In the fine tradition of George W. Bush standing under the “Mission Accomplished” sign, or any one of the Katrina backdrops (where no expense was spared to bring power to an area for a photo op, and then just as quickly cut off), we now have the head of the NRCC, Tom Reynolds, using small prop children as set decoration in a press conference devoted to the topic of…yes, predatory online sexual solicitation of minors.

Even the reporters present could not contain themselves:

Reporter: Congressman, do you mind asking the children to leave the room so we can have a frank discussion of this, because it’s an adult topic. It just doesn’t seem appropriate to me.

Reynolds: I’ll take your questions, but I’m not going to ask any of my supporters to leave.

[]

Reporter: Who are the children, Congressman? Who are these children?

Reynolds: Pardon me?

Reporter: Who are these children?

Reynolds: Well, a number of them are from the community. There are several of the “thirtysomething” set that are here and uh I’ve known them and I’ve known their children as they were born.

Reporter: Do you think it’s appropriate for them to be listening to the subject matter though?

Reynolds: Sir, I’ll be happy to answer your questions, I’m still, uh…

Nobody has yet answered the question as to why the matter was put at the feet of the NRCC anyway (a body whose sole function is the re-election of Republicans to Congress), but considering the problems that the situation is visiting upon the GOP for November I guess it’s small wonder nobody was really anxious to do anything about it. Reynolds now says it’s All Denny Hasert’s Fault.

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

Yeah, Midori— that 2% African-American vote is a real puzzler to me, too! But then I remember that it’s probably the clinging “Jesus voters” who still believe that W was sent by God — hallelujah, and bring on the apocolyse!

By RE

October 3, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

Bi Danish,

So how do you know exactally that Brian Ross got this information from a Dem Operative?

And let me see, he sat on a story for almost 1 month before confronting Foley, or perhaps he should have reported withour verifying information

Also, I do not know where to get any kiddie porn, did Scooter Libbey write another book?

By Midori

October 3, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

ABC To Name Who Knew What And When In Foley Scandal“>http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/ABCproducersaysnetworktoname1003.html)

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

It sure would be nice if this blog had some helpful editing features, such as spell-check for “apocalypse”… and a “Review Your Post” feature before actually pressing the Post button. Just a couple of suggestions, Ms./Mr. Web Master.

By Huge

October 3, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

@@,

Regarding your thinly veiled partisan slant on the Foley “problem” at 1:35. Instead of your question, a better one would have been:

“Do they see Foley as an individual representative of his party’s policies, or do they see child predators as an issue relative to REPUBLICAN policies?”

In other words, is this sleazeball an isolated incident within the gop or is it systemic to that somtimes puritanical group? We’ve already covered at length, the fact that pedophilia is not restricted to any political party.

You confirm your bias with this, “Is it Republican Foley, liberal folly, or both?”

Try as you might, you’ll never be able to spin THIS debacle off onto the libs. But nice try. Unless, of course, you can sell people lil andykin’s demented arguments that Hollywood, denizen of liberal devils made Foley do it…

By bon scott

October 3, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

It’s getting clearer by the hour that the GOP was determined to keep a lid on Foley’s disgusting behavior until AFTER next month’s election.

They failed. No claim of plausible deniability will extract them from this scandal that they tried so fiercely to hide.

It’s also clear that the GOP (and the Bush machine) are trying desperately to keep a lid on the debacle in Iraq and Afghanistan until AFTER next month’s elections.

This is ripe for failure.

35 days and counting.

PS - BD, are you an expert on ravishing apple cheeked teens like your man-toy Andy is?? Bet you are. Blow me.

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Andy,

These Dem talking points were my two personal favorites:

Deride the Republicans for incompetence. How can you possibly trust them with national security if you can’t trust them with your own children?

Bring up Terri Schiavo’s case and compare the heated GOP attention back then to their allegedly lax attention to the welfare of their pages.

I just hope they run with these two. What a losing platform.

By moonbat betty

October 3, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

RE 1:50, just look at 95% of the liberal reaction on this board.

Come moonbats, FLY, FLY with me into the light.

Everyone else put on their hair nets.

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

Huge— I’m sure I’ll always remember that great Frist moment when he tried to diagnose Terri Schiavo’s condition by viewing a videotape… he’s a real classic GOP-er!

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

Finchie Bon Liar,

YOU are the expert. All I have to do is quote you directly and be filled with revulsion.

Show me the evidence that Hastert knew more than the Democrat Operatives who have been peddling this story.

Go for it Detective Freakie Girl.

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

Leave it to Goldie to go with the Shiavo talking point!

Freaking losers.

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

RE,

Q. How do I know that Ross got this stuff from a Democrat Operative?

A. Because I have a brain AND I am a student of history.

By getalife

October 3, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

Yes, wingnut betty,

We care about the children, the wingnuts care about themselves.

W is spewing about Hasturd caring about the children.

Pathetic w.

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Austin Powers — good to hear from ya!

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

RE,

I missed your snarky little kiddie porn comment.

You may want to ask Ruth Bader Ginsburg that question, moron. And ask Freakie Finchie what her source is.

By RE

October 3, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

New Foley Instant Messages; Had Internet Sex While Awaiting House Vote

“I actually voted for the 86 billion after I creamed myself with a 16 year old boy”

By getalife

October 3, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

BD,

Nice pervert supporting.

Talk about frigging losers.

Shees.

By getalife

October 3, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

You know, ml is right again with the title of this toon.

The wingnuts are “staunch supporters” of the perverts.

They have no shame.

Just pathetic.

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

Paul, help me out regarding the NRA — I posted that they want “guns for everyone!”, and maybe that’s a small stretch, depending on individual states’ laws. But I know here in GA, anyone can legally obtain a gun simply by signing a form stating that he/she is not a criminal… that’s still the case, yes? Or did I miss some legislation that came through with this Repugnant Congress that made the act of obtaining a gun a little more difficult?

I propose that we pass legislation that the NRA will need to administer yearly psychological tests for all gun-owners, to help weed out the loonies — it’s not a perfect system, but who has any other suggestions?

By RE

October 3, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

*By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

RE,

Q. How do I know that Ross got this stuff from a Democrat Operative?

A. Because I have a brain AND I am a student of history.*

I question your first point and would ask you to study harder in respect to your second point

By getalife

October 3, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

Also, I think ml nailed what Andy looks like in this toon.

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

I am asking why Brian Ross didn’t alert the authorities since he is the guy in the garage getting the IMs from Deep Throat.

That is not defending Foley anymore than Bob Woodward was defending Richard Nixon.

By moonbat betty

October 3, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

getaclue, yeah and you have a real good track record to back it too.

I’m sure your pal bon scott could give you some pointers.

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

RE,

Question it all you want. The facts are on my side.

The Dems have NO platform. All they have are operatives and October surprises.

By Naked Emperor

October 3, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

The tone of this blog is uber-angry today. Whats up NeoCon’s….ED got you down…well just type your way to happiness, the Foley way!

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

“How can you possibly trust them with national security if you can’t trust them with your own children?”

Good for you, BD — now the 2 marbles in your brain are starting to work!

:>)

By RE

October 3, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

What fact?

What is the GOP platform?

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

“Because I have a brain AND I am a student of history.”

Right, with your 2 marbles clanging together — you go, girl!

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

Moonbat Betty,

The syncophants, featuring Team Getalife and the Freakie Finchies are trying to get us to believe this absurd message:

Mark Foley is a gay pervert. Foley is a Republican. All Republican’s are gay perverts.

Conversely:

Mark Foley is a gay pervert. Mark Foley was not a Democrat. Democrats are not gay perverts.

I don’t doubt that that logic works with the genius moonbats who entertain us with their commentary here.

Whether it will work on Republican voters is the question. I kinda doubt it.

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

You run with that Dem talking point. Here’s a bumper sticker for you:

Elect your local Daycare provider as Secretary of Defense!

Pre-K teachers rock as Commanders in Chief!

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

You are in the running for the Dumbest Moonbat Award. Keep it up and I can declare an early winner. Would you like cash or an annuity?

By Follow the leader

October 3, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

ok so foley is a perv.

gop leadership knows for 8 months

can anyone possibly believe rove, cheney or bush did not know?

they know where all the bodies are buried.

By Huge

October 3, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

Goldie, as infuriating as it will be for her, this one is for Buy Anything but American!

The FristCam Act of 2005 would place a video camera in every one of America’s ICUs. The FristCam would pan them and the Senate Majority Leader would give each patient a thumbs up or thumbs down.

Al Franken on Bill Frist diagnosing Terri Schiavo from 800 miles away!

Ahh! Such character. Such honor. Such a fraud…

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

RE,

You may want to try following along a little closer. Midori already posted that link you are so proud of.

Thanks for sharing the extra commentary.

Puke.

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

BD, an even better bumper sticker: “GOP— bringing democracy at gunpoint to your neighborhood soon!” or

“GOP— bring us your tired, your poor KIDS.”

By getalife

October 3, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

I see betty and BD in a tie for the pos pervert staunch supporter award.

You just won a way trip straight to hell.

By Lord Help Us

October 3, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

BD, keep your 2:51 in mind everytime you hear Hannity, O’Reilly, Limbaugh, etc. (or one of your favorite shills on this site)rant about some issue, attribute it to a ‘liberal’ and immediately paint it across all ‘liberals.’

For crying out loud, you do not really think that type of smear is exclusive to the Dems, do you?

Even you could not be that blind (I think…)

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

BD— I’m sorry that you’re so embarrassed by Dr. Frist’s diagnostics during the Schiavo case… you must’ve been boo-hooing in your combat boots for months after that!

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

Follow the Loser,

Sure thing dude. Maybe Richard Mellon Scaife and Marvin Bush were in on it too.

I’m curious why a great conspiracy theorist such as you are so freaking blind that you can’t see that it is Brian Ross who knows everything.

By RE

October 3, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

So this is the point in the day where Bi Danish runs out of things to say and just starts throwing out accusations and insults.

Here are your options, maybe you should take a little nap and rest for a while, or get riled up and come up with a theory about how communist, the aclu, Hillary Clinton, and George Soros are really the one who set up Foley

I love it when you go off the deep end

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

LHU,

The subject is FOLEY moron. In this case, yes I can definitively state that the Democrat Party is trying to paint Republicans as perverts who don’t care about children and can’t be trusted to run the country.

Read the idiotic commentary from your moonbat friends if you don’t believe me. After that, read your own party’s idiotic talking points.

Freaking idiot.

By Shawny

October 3, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20061002/bsibdibd/2006102issues01

Read that, and don’t be a hypocrite.

By Follow the leader

October 3, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

Were Jeff Gannon and Rep. Foley ever in the White House together?

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Err, I kinda picture YOU in combat boots.

Now if you knew how to freaking READ you would see that one of YOUR party’s talking points suggests that the Dem faithful make an unbelievable leap of logic and tie Foley’s behavior to Schiavo.

Get with the program Goldilocks.

By Follow the leader

October 3, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

great conspiracy theorist?

gee, thanks

By moonbat betty

October 3, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

keep flowing the light getalife.

No one is supporting foley and you aren’t trying to support any children on here either, liar.

Keep showing the world what a moonbat you are. Thanks in advance.

By RE

October 3, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

Shawny and BD,

Just give it up already. I cannot imagine any scenario where the Dems are responsible for what Foley did. Brian Ross said he had gotten the information from republicans. Just move on, there is no way that this makes the GOP look any better.

By getalife

October 3, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this

Read this Shannie

I am amazed that people still staunchly support the pervert enablers.

Just pitiful.

By @@

October 3, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

N-GA:

After what I witnessed from you the other night when addressing Allaina, you deserve nothing from me other than to be called a smelly old goat who should find himself offended by his own odor, but are too selfish to know it.

I’ll respond to one point in your post. The draft. I wish it had never ended. But seeing the response to the possibility by some radical left-wing blogsites, and their participants, I’ve changed my mind. They’re too self indulged to be of any use in the military.

Since vietnam anti-war activists played a major role in discontinuing the draft, I’m confused as to why you even care. Have you been part of an effort that you need to correct in hindsight? MoveOn.org “Old Goat”, you’ll get no recognition from me in the future. I won’t even read your posts.

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

RE,

Happy to oblige with Soros. Indeed, here are some dots for you to connect:

Daily KOS+C.R.E.W(funded by Soros)+Stop Sex Predators+Michael Rogers.

You’re welcome.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 3, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Bi Granny,

There is plenty of empirical evidence to support the notions that yes, Republicans are perverts (see Foley, et al), and no, they cannot be trusted to run the country (see the previous 6 years).

Freaking idiot.

By getalife

October 3, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

“Capitol Hill pages kept quiet about Rep. Mark Foley’s suggestive e-mails for years out of fear
that they would be blacklisted from future political jobs in the Republican-controlled U.S. government.
This fear of retaliation was one of the lessons that the pages learned from watching how the adults
behaved in today’s Washington.”

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

Moonbat Betty,

Just a few days ago Getalife was raving because Foley was opposed to nudist camps for children.

Getaclue never answered my question as to who the camp counselors were supposed to be.

By Luckovich Censors Conservatives

October 3, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

Follow the leader,

Jeff Gannon is our own lovable Andy, and Mark Foley is his sugar daddy.

By getalife

October 3, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

Rep. Thomas Reynolds, head of the House Republican election effort, said Saturday he told
Dennis Hastert months ago about concerns that a fellow GOP lawmaker had sent inappropriate messages to a teenage boy. Hastert’s office said aides referred the matter to the proper authorities
last fall but they were only told the messages were “over-friendly.”

“The improper communications between Foley and former House Congressional pages is unacceptable and abhorrent. It is an obscene breach of trust,” Hastert, Boehner, and Roy Blunt in a written statement.”

By Lord Help Us

October 3, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

BD, my but you seem so angry…

Listen, if you can’t take the heat then find something to do that doesn’t make you so angry…

Unless, you think you are performing some kind of public service…BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Otherwise, chill. Your side is getting shelled right now and you apparently can’t handle it.

Now here’s a simple test you can take to find out just how much of a puny, partisan, hypocrite you are.

Just stop that tiny brain of yours and hold THIS thought alone for just a few seconds:

Imagine, just imagine, for just a moment that the person at the center of this scandal was a Democrat…

Ooh, it hurts to see yourself as you really are, doesn’t it??

By @@

October 3, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

RE: Think of it in terms of unintended consequences of liberal policies. Some of which I have supported in the past and am now questioning.

Abortion: A learned and accepted disregard for human life in it’s most formative moments. A message that most probably affects our kids’ self-worth.

Euthanasia: An acceptance of “no life” over the possibility, of “a quality life” albeit remote. But who gets to make the call? Somebody else. The kids are watching.

Rehabilitation of sexual predators: Accepting this as an emotional illness rather than a “desire for power over the weak.” From a kid’s perspective, this may be seen as allowing an adult’s sickness to contaminate a kid rather than containing the germ and protecting them.

Crime & Punishment: Less than severe punishment for abhorrent criminal behavior. Why? Would it be cost? Hope of rehabilitation is cheaper in the long run, but won’t stop the problem. Are we considering cost above our kids now?

Freedom of Expression: MTV, violent lyrics in gangster rap, adult pornography, rampant child pornography, criminal, but it did ride in on the coattails of adult pornography. Sex is allowed to invade the lives of our kids, and reduces humans to objects of obsession?

Are these not all issues that have been pushed forward by liberals in the name of civil liberties? Where’s the civility in the long run? Did we fail to think them through in a rush to appease special interest groups?

Look, I’m no prude, but things are getting worse, not better.

I’m starting to think beyond my own self interests and starting to think in the interest of society as a group which includes the future of our next generation.

Regardless of what label the GOP has placed on itself. I think of them as a party of traditionalists. A lot of families have fallen victim to liberalism, so family values are out the window.

Can you possibly forgive me of the perverted indiscretion of seeing value in tried and true traditions? I’d sure like to think so. If not, I’ll proceed without it.

By getalife

October 3, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

If the repugs have any more scandals like Foley, the corporate media
may have to go back to covering the Iraq war to distract us from it.

Just pathetic.

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

Stalker Boy OOTMVOD,

If anyone can prove the Democrat Theory of Republican Perverts wrong it is……. YOU.

Got that Peeping Tom Boy?

Loser.

By getalife

October 3, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

BD,

Quit lying.

If you can’t stand the heat…….

By bon scott

October 3, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

By Bi Danish - October 3, 2006 03:12 PM - The subject is FOLEY moron. In this case, yes I can definitively state that the Democrat Party is trying to paint Republicans as perverts who don’t care about children and can’t be trusted to run the country.

Actually cutie, I don’t think the Democrats have to try and do this at all. The Republicans are doing a GREAT job all by themselves! Sure is fun to watch the Grand Old Perverts self-immolate!!

Brian Ross is one of the best investigative reporters on national TV. He’s been doing this for 25 years, first for NBC and now ABC. He’s never, ever had to apologize for what he reports. To accuse him of being a party shill shows just how dumb you are. Your refusal to see how the GOP tried to hide/ignore the Foley scandal PROVES how dumb you are.

Why don’t you go have a drink with your buddy Andy, and you can share conspiracy theories? By the way, where IS your man-toy? Andy? Hey, Andy???

Darn. He’s either drunk or giving biology lessons to one of his cute little charges. Probably both.

By ALERT

October 3, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

Fox had Foley emails, chose not to run

RAW STORY Published: Tuesday October 3, 2006

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Fox News had copies of emails written by Congressman Mark Foley (R-FL) to a Louisiana boy, but chose not to run the story, according to a passage in an Associated Press report.

The relevant excerpt follows:

# The FBI has begun an inquiry into Foley’s computer contact with pages, and Hastert wrote a letter to Florida Gov. Jeb Bush asking for an investigation into whether state laws were broken.

Meanwhile, Florida newspapers — who were leaked copies of the e-mail with the Louisiana boy last year — defended their decision not to run stories. Both The St. Petersburg Times and The Miami Herald were given copies of the e-mail, as were other news organizations, including Fox News.

“Our decision at the time was … that because the language was not sexually explicit and was subject to interpretation, from innocuous to ‘sick,’ as the page characterized it, to be cautious,” said Tom Fiedler, executive editor of the Herald. “Given the potentially devastating impact that a false suggestion of pedophilia could have on anyone, not to mention a congressman known to be gay, and lacking any corroborating information, we chose not to do a story.”

By PedoFinchie

October 3, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

Danish beat me to it but this sickness needs another glimpse of sunlight:

By pedophile bon scott freak September 29, 2006 06:58 PM Short eyes likes his boy toys!! Is that why you get juiced? Yummmmm… just watch their little legs!!By the way, what kind of lubricant do you and your boy-toys prefer? Do you use xanax or roofies to loosen them up, or does vodka alone do the trick?

This dude is the one that needs to be locked up, blown away and all the other hollow a-ss threats you pinkos threw around this afternoon.

But nope, he’s your dam-n hero.

By Charles

October 3, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

Hey whoreallycares_anyway:

MY very faulty analogy?

You need to educate yourself - the age of consent in the District of Columbia (that’s Washington D.C. to you Liberals) is 16.

http://www.actwin.com/eatonohio/gay/consent.htm

No laws may have been broken by Foley - unlike those I mentioned (Clinton and Kennedy).

By WashingtonState

October 3, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

BD,

You still don’t seem to understand what the fuss over the Schiavo case was all about. From a rational perspective, it was about Bush signing a law in Texas which allowed for the discontinuation of tube feedings in cases like Schiavo and then playing to a national audience by pretending he was horrified by what was happening to Schiavo. While the whole Schiavo affair was going on, the first case of an infant’s life support being discontinued against a parent’s wishes was playing out. This was done under the authority of the so called “futile care law,” which Bush signed while he was governor. Add to this the fact that medicaid funds could not be used to continue life support once a board had determined the case was hopeless and you have a huge ethical mess. Would you trust a politician like Bush to determine when life support should or should not be terminated knowing these inconsistencies?

http://www.samefacts.com/archives/schiavo/2005/03/schiavofutilecareand_money.php

There is no need to tie Foley’s behaviour to those of Bush. By his own actions, Bush has told us where he stands; wherever he can get the votes.

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

RE and LHU twin morons,

Nobody is blaming the Dems for what Foley did.

I, for one, want to know who Brian Ross’ source is and why they didn’t report the lurid info about Perv Foley earlier instead of waiting until October. Too busy with Katrina? Baloney. Doesn’t sound like ABC News cares about the young Pages to me.

If Foley were a Democrat he’d still be in office, you’d be calling us homophobes, and whining that if only we had gay marriage he wouldn’t have had to resort to hitting on Page Boys. He could have married one which would have made it legal!

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

To sum up BD’s contributions today: loser, idiot, moonbat, puke. Anything else on your mind, brainy one? Still trying to win hearts and minds here in America?

By Talking Point Pinkos

October 3, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Danish: I’ve seen every single one of those talking points right here on this blog.

And not one single original point to be found anywhere (except for PedoFinchie’s depravity.)

It’s like these idiots have been released from some website like a disease spread by a liberal dirty bomb.

All it takes is one post disputing what they say, they all get quite and go back to the mother website for reloading.

Except for that idiot Huge, I post a response to someone whining about Republican talking points, this jackleg dimwit comes back at me like I started the whole thing.

He’s got like zero mental comprehension skills.

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

Freakie Finchie,

Dan Rather had been working for years too and was considered a pearl of a reporter by the syncophants until Mary Mapes and Bill Burkett came along.

As to your obsession with little boys, Andy, and lord only knows what else, please take your sick fantasies and peddle them somewhere else.

Getalife,

Name the “lie”.

ALERT,

Nice job leaving out the last sentence which talked about the fact that because Foley was gay it created a p.c. dilemna which made the situation all the more touchy and difficult to run with without more corroboration. Which Hastert didn’t have either.

Gotta run moonbats. later maybe….

By Paul

October 3, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

Goldie 2:32pm: Federal statutes exist regarding firearms. States are permitted to impose additional requirements.

NRA is an influential lobbying organization, opposed, as many, many groups are, to campaign finance reform (favorite question: what is the difference between a campaign contribution and a bribe?). Some argue they have damaged their position by taking an extreme stance against regulation - “cop killer” bullets is a prime example. Since then they have supported penalties for those using firearms in commission of a crime or agreeing with Federal statutes regarding restrictions on felons. But, in general, there seems to be a view that firearms should be readily available.

Several states grant concealed-carry permits. Anecdotal - spoke with a person who lives in Texas. He attended the course (quite extensive) and said as the responsibilities and possibilities were explained, he and several others disenrolled from the class.

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this

Rep. Boner is finger-pointing again

First, Boner pleads “I didn’t know anything”, then he changes his mind— “no, I told him and he should take the blame!”

Kinda like when KKK Rove squealed like the pig he is: “Scooter told me!”

What a bunch of pansy squealing pigs!

By Lord Help Us

October 3, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

Ouch, man the wingnuts are squealing…they are cornered…

And showing their cowardice…

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Before I go, “Puke” was an appropriate response to RE’s disgusting comments.

Don’t blame the messenger bootsie.

Washington State,

I am not going to bother reading your post which may leave me with a slightly less embarrassing image of you. The first sentence was all I needed to know.

Read this and start over: The DEMOCRATS are issuing talking points which attempt to connect Foley’s perv behavior on the Shiavo case.

Does that make sense to you?

Sheesh.

ALERT,

I apologize. You did include that sentence.

By Dusty

October 3, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

For the spinner….

Aww Spin, that was just fair.

I’ll give you seomthing to compare.

America is great. Land of the free.

Nobody is running, neither you nor me.

Politics may break us. Let it NOT be.

We know what’s right. Yes..You and me.

Let the spinners spin. Let the patriots rule.

But for heaven’s sake, don’t talk like a fool.

By RE

October 3, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

@@,

A long list of questionable issues with pros and cons on each side. But trying to say that these contributed to a 54 year old man writing dirty e-mails to a 16 year old boy is too much of a stretch for me.

I guess I am a bit of a libertarian, I believe in personal responsibility over “it’s society’s fault” defenses.

By WashingtonState

October 3, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

BD,

and my reply is that there is no need for the Demorcrats to do so. Bush has already shown us where he stands. Don’t read the post or the link. It might disrupt your ‘set in concrete’ world view.

By Huge

October 3, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

Three of the most idiotic posts today from suck:

“You stupid filthy liberals have been hammering society with your perversions and depravity and now you are shocked that someone would actually do it?”

“Except for that idiot Huge, I post a response to someone whining about Republican talking points, this jackleg dimwit comes back at me like I started the whole thing.”

“I’ve got like totally zero mental comprehension skills, dude.”

NICE! No one thinks you “started the whole thing”, little suck. Just because you’re a complete degenerate, doesn’t mean you have any influence over US Congressmen. In fact, let’s face it, suck, you have influence over exactly nothing but your own miserable and pathetic little life.

By RE

October 3, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

What is a jackleg?

By ALL Of Huge's Posts Are "Idiotic"

October 3, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

By Huge October 3, 2006 04:18 PM NICE! No one thinks you “started the whole thing”, little suck. Just because you’re a complete degenerate, doesn’t mean you have any influence over US Congressmen. In fact, let’s face it, suck, you have influence over exactly nothing but your own miserable and pathetic little life.

See what I mean about the zero comprehension skills?

I was referring to the talking points post, you idiot, who said anything about congressman or whatever you were mumbling?

Weirdo.

By bon scott

October 3, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

By Bi Danish - October 3, 2006 03:59 PM - Dan Rather had been working for years too and was considered a pearl of a reporter by the syncophants until Mary Mapes and Bill Burkett came along.

You’ve lost your mind. Rather has been considered a commie by the Repukes for 40 years, since his coverage of the Vietnam mistake. Where have YOU been?? Drinking again??

NOBODY knows what Brian Ross’ politics are. In 25 years he’s never done a story like Foley.

As to your obsession with little boys, Andy, and lord only knows what else, please take your sick fantasies and peddle them somewhere else.

Andy’s been providing evidence of his alcohol problem ever since I started visiting this place. His hateful, discordant rants are classic symptoms. He’s obsessed with gays, too. That’s been clear from the start. “Pinkos” who post have been called f* and worse.

And sweetheart, I’m not the one obsessed with cheeky young teenage boys. Andy’s passion for them has certainly come out (snicker) with his vibrant (heehee) defense of Foley. There but for the grace of God…

Since you’re such a vibrant defender of Andy yourself, you must be two peas in a pod. A pair of drunken chickenhawks.

You’re welcome.

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this

Boehner noted that his daughter had been a Senate page several years ago, and said of Foley, “If I’d known anything about the context of all this when it occurred, I’d have drug him out of there by his shirt sleeves.”

Once again, the Repugnants will only act on something when it involves their own family — taken from the playbook of Nancy Reagan regarding stem cell research… at least Boner has some of the natural instincts of parenting, as opposed to all of the whiny Repugnants who’ve resorted to blaming the teenage kids for Foley’s problems!

By RE

October 3, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

jack‧leg  /ˈdʒækˌlɛg/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[jak-leg] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation Chiefly South Midland and Southern U.S.

–adjective 1. unskilled or untrained for one’s work; amateur: a jackleg electrician.
2. unscrupulous or without the accepted standards of one’s profession: a jackleg lawyer.
3. makeshift; temporary.
–noun 4. an unskilled or unscrupulous itinerant worker or practitioner

Sorry, answered my own question, never heard anyone use that word before. How can you be an unskilled dimwit anyway? Is there such a thing as a skilled dimwit?

I just cannot follow some of your rants

By Brian Curtis

October 3, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

BD: “And if Foley had just been black, then the Republicans would be screaming about how any attempt to criticize his behavior is racism!”

See, I can build straw-men too.

By Midori

October 3, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

Hastert may have just days to save his job

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

I agree, Paul— we should hold the NRA accountable for the ongoing slaughter of innocent children, because they are the ones who resist any kind of testing for gun-owners. Too many lunatics toting guns in America now!

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

Washington State,

Very S-L-O-W-L-Y now. Imagine Al Gore talking to you.

The Dems are trying to connect the perv Foley to Shiavo NOT because he wanted to keep Shiavo alive, but because (according to the wacky Dems) time spent on Shiavo was a distraction. If only they hadn’t concentrated on Shiavo they would have realized what a perv Foley is and saved the Page Boys from his perv attention!

Here is the exact talking point:

6. Bring up Terri Schiavo’s case and compare the heated GOP attention back then to their allegedly lax attention to the welfare of their pages.

Got that?

Outta here…

By Midori

October 3, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

NY-26: Did Reynolds Authorize Aide To Ask ABC To Kill Story?

By I Report, You Decide

October 3, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

Obsessed?

By pedophile bon scott freak September 29, 2006 06:58 PM Short eyes likes his boy toys!! Is that why you get juiced? Yummmmm… just watch their little legs!!By the way, what kind of lubricant do you and your boy-toys prefer? Do you use xanax or roofies to loosen them up, or does vodka alone do the trick?

By @@

October 3, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

RE:

You and I could go through this without arriving at a conclusion. So this will be my last comment on the topic. I’ll turn you loose to ponder.

The issues do have pros and cons. I like to err on the side of caution.

Why you might ask? Because man will adjust to the lowest standard allowed by society. If not immediately, then through subsequent generations.

The old “slippery slope”. It’s hard to maintain your footing and easier to roll downhill, than it is to maintain your footing and climb up. I just want to sit down and think. Paralysis through analysis? Nope…analysis through paralysis.

Paul:

Aren’t you the guy who reads Stratfor? Do you get their e-mails? If so, did you read the Fourth Quarter Forecast 2006: Time for Iran’s Close-Up - Part 1 & 2? I must admit, a lot of it confuses me, but I can piece meal with the best of ‘em.

See ya!

By Lib Teacher

October 3, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

By RE October 3, 2006 04:32 PM I just cannot follow some of your rants

The problem doesn’t lie with me, dude.

Maybe you should have finished grade school, no?

Could I possibly be saying that Huge is too stupid to even be considered a full fledged dimwit, you reckon?

He’s an apprentice dimwit and not a very good one at that.

By WashingtonState

October 3, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

BD,

I disagree with you on the interpretation of that talking point. The issue is not that they paid so much attention to Schiavo that they neglected the pages. It is that they expended so much false moral outrage on Schiavo while all this was going on. I would join you in condemning the talking point if I believed your interpretation was what was meant. Try and look at it with an objective eye.

By Lord Help Us

October 3, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

BD, your 4:39 marks an alltime record on delusional, pretzel logic (with apologies to Steely Dan) meter.

You must be smokin’ something wicked…

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

Brian Curtis,

I didn’t create the straw man dude. Your team mate did when it asked me how I would have responded if Foley had been a Democrat. And those screams of racism? That’s the trick your side pulls.

I cannot believe your ignorance.

Freakie Finchie,

YOUR side loved Dan Rather, didn’t they??? Wasn’t that my point? Do I need to bring up Walter Conkrite too?

Didn’t they have all the creds you attribute to Brian Ross? It’s possible that Ross wasn’t politically motivated, but someone is his Bill Burkett, and someone knew about the really bad stuff and didn’t tell Hastert.

Hope that’s not too difficult.

By Huge

October 3, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

“I was referring to the talking points post, who said anything about congressman”

And I was referring to you being a scumbag. So what’s the problem?

RE,

I too looked it up and just like RW, suck almost always uses words like this incorrectly.

It’s yet another of those valuable ranting skills he possesses!

By Huge

October 3, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

@@,

You make some good points in your 3:35. And I’ve wrestled with many of these issues for decades. BUT, how can you synthesize these enormously complex challenges into one sentence talking points?

Sure, abortion is abhorrent. Maybe even worse is forcing babies to be born into a world of hopelessness and suffering rather than providing useful, effective education and birth control. Is the gop going to adopt all of those babies? Are you? Is banning it, better for them and our society?

Dr. Kevorkian should be lionized as a hero. Instead he rots in jail. Personal choice and freedom matters not to politicians, like Frist, who make laws that preclude them.

Rehabilitation of criminals. Kill them all and there’s no problem, right? I’m only slightly exaggerating. Some have completely turned their lives around and not only been shining examples but have done enormous good for society. Many, many more have not. Who decides? You? Me?

Freedom of expression. As I’ve said before, the lines society mandates are fluid and shift constantly. This country more than any other in history has had to deal with these issues. I’ve lived in Europe decades ago, and there was full frontal nudity on TV. And unless you’re twisted lil andykins, you don’t see England falling apart at the seams from this liberal depravity. And sorry, but Tipper Gore has no effective answers.

“Look, I’m no prude, but things are getting worse, not better.”

You couldn’t be more one-sided and wrong, IMHO.

Under your idealized American society circa 1950 there was what? Vicious, even murderous, overt racism and bigotry. Women were treated as completely second class citizens. Homosexuals were not even considered human. Corporations were allowed to do virtually any damn thing they chose, as long as they paid dividends to their share holders, even if it killed millions, with absolutley no consequences. So good luck with those tried and true “republican traditions”.

@@, if you think all, or even most, of our country’s social ills started in the sixties, you have a very selective memory. And your belief that mankind is inevitably subject to the lowest common denominator, or as you put it “man will adjust to the lowest standard allowed by society” must be very depressing!

By Thomas

October 3, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

-=-

@@ - what??? 3:35 post

Ok lets try this:

Abortion: With passing of anti-abortion legislation we have the government legally controlling of what we “can or can-not” do with our own bodies. This may be used later as a precidence in court to force not only women, but also men, to do or not do something such as birth control, vasectomy, contraception, tatoos, chip implants, etc - or be in violation of federal laws. In addition to that it completely irradicates a freedom of choice that 1 person (the woman) has in exchange for granting a fetus (un-born non-person) the absolute rights no matter what the situation is even if it will cost the woman her life or health.

Euthenasia: No we definitly don’t want euthenasia, as that is also government controlled killing for such things as population control. However we should not violate a persons choice to die the way they see fit. If I was suffering from cancer (as I have seen the suffering of relatives die from cancer and other medical horrors) I would most definitly want the choice (if I was going to die anyways) of choosing a gentler death by injection. I mean we give more freedom of choice to death row criminals than we do our own grandmothers. I would also allow anyone that is dieing to have anything they wanted and take anything they wanted whether it be illegal drugs, food or whatever and let them die by their choice. Basically I say if you are about to die you should die by your own choice and not someone else’s choice and most definitly not by government choice. The Terri Shiavo case was unique in the fact that one branch of government attempted to usurp the powers of another branch of government in passing legislation to take control of a court descision and reverse it.

Rehab for sex offenders: I would still say rehab is a good choice seeing as there are different levels of sex offender laws. However most sexual desires of anybody are pretty much ingrained into that person’s personality and cannot be changed in any way. It’s a part of who they are and always will be. So do we permantly lock them away? Kill them>?? - I guess rehab and reform is the best we can do to hopefully help them come to grips with their issues of personality.

(cont)

=====

By Thomas

October 3, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

(Continued from above)

Crime & Punishment: I quote Mikado ” Let the punishment fit the Crime! Punishment fit the crime!”. Always remember that one of the cornerstones of our laws and our freedom lie in the simple statement “Must be proven (beyond a shadow of a doubt) to be found guilty”. Yes if they are proven guilty, then they should be punished, but make absolutly sure they are guilty! Period!—- To punish even as much as one innocent man and strip him of his rights and freedom is definitly Un-American and is a crime itself!

Freedom of Expression: I would fight you tooth and claw on this one. The right of expression is a very important right. It is the very fabric of a free society. You may not like what is expressed, but censorship is far far worse. It is without a doubt that “free expression” affects and influences the thoughts and even actions of others no matter what medium is used. This can lead to bad behavior or good behavior and may even give ideas that cause harm in some way. But to censor expression because it has caused harm, completely negates the good it can cause as well. It is slippery slope that leads to squashing all free thought and ideas (right or wrong). The responsibility ultimatly lies with the individual and their actions that they personally take, and not the expressed idea that may have influenced that particular action. Some bad behavior expressed in the past includes “the Boston Tea Party”, “The Watts Riots”, “Rosa Parks breaking the law on the Bus”, “Womens Liberation Movement”, “The Labor Movement”, Why heck - “The American Revolution” itself was an idea that the British blamed for (ahem) quite a few deaths!

Freedom is more than a Bush political catchphrase! It is a glorius “idea” that must be protected at all times by a society. An “Idea” that must be forever thought about and applied equally for everyone or it is not really freedom at all!

Thomas

By Huge

October 3, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

“He’s an apprentice dimwit and not a very good one at that.”

This just keeps getting better and better and better!

So, I’m not a very good dimwit? The nerve! The outrage!

I’m sorry, suck, I just don’t think I’ll ever be the dimwit you are!

But really, numbskull, you should have quit while you were behind…

By Paul

October 3, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

@@: thanks for the tip on Stratfor. Yes, I do peruse the site but email notification would be worthwhile.

I’ll check the Iran countdown. They did one of the better papers early on - plus some rather interesting comments on “public face vs. secret planning.” Of course people will jump to compare Iran (nuclear capability) with Iraq (chemical, biological capability). But it’s a weak link (wrong on WMD so how can we be sure about nuclear program). But the Stratfor timeline is ominous - particularly if the timeline lapses with no effective action taken.

By ed lorenzo

October 3, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

SNAKEHEADS AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY By

Prof. Elmer W. Martens

The snakehead fish whose scientific name is parachanna obscura has in recent years become a thereat in several streams and lakes in the country. Like the Republican Party, it feeds on the bigger and better entities found in his environment, with total disregard to existing and respected traditions and regulations.

Observations and research indicate a homogeneous mental and moral development, actually barely noticeably. Its apparent sole ambition in life is to feed on whatever is available and attain sizes well beyond what is generally accepted.

The species had great origins. It served in times past as a promoter of righteousness and progress but it has evolved into a selfish and opinionated strain easily absorbed by extreme ideologies. Besides it has spawned leaders of doubtful integrity but capable of making unique noises and go after innocent and non-threatening preys.

In recent times a serious deficiency in its behavior has been detected. It seems that one of its members has shown unnatural interest in some of its younger types. It is hoped that this repulsive attitude is not adopted by other members of the species.

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By Thomas

October 3, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

Goldie —

Ok I’m a Democrat, but I really do disagree with my party’s position on Gun control sometimes - or banning movies, video-games, etc.

Your suggestion that they sue the NRA or even the Gun Manufaturers for anyone’s death caused by a lunatic, or some other person is completely outrageous. Cars kill more people than guns, shall we start suing Auto Manufacturers, Fuel Companys, and Auto Insurance companys because they are the reasons the cars are out there in the first place, or do we sue the idiot that deliberatly (or stupidly) plows into a group of kids at a McDonalds?

I own guns, I was raised around guns all my life, and My dad taught me to shoot at the age of 8 years old. Along with learning to shoot, I also was taught responsibility for my actions with that gun. I was taught safety, and right from wrong. Again I was taught that my mistake (or choices and actions) with that gun was 100% my responsibilty!

So heres the deal — We now have a society where kids are not taught responsibility and guns fall into the hands of gangs, and people that do not take responsibilty for the weapon they possess. My response to this issue would be to make them more responsible by laws that strip them of their rights to ever own another gun (or any other weapon) should they deliberatly abuse their responsibility of ownerships of that weapon. This would equate with the same issue of losing your liscence to drive if you abuse that as well.

Perhaps all guns should have a mandatory gun liscence to own any such weapon in our modern society, but that breaks the freedom of privacy and intrusion of our government into our personal belongings. Again the actual freedom to own a gun. It’s a tough issue at that point.

I however reject entirely to your view that the NRA and the Gun manufacturers, and any other group are responsible for the actions of the individual that mis-used his weapon. That indiviual is 100% responsible for his actions - whether it was an accident or intentional - it is their fault!

Thomas

By RE

October 3, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

Yeah Huge, I am not sure that Andy knew what jackleg meant before I posted it, sometimes he just puts words out there interspersed with pinko and lib and coward. He gets his general point across, but it is usually a little tough to understand, kind of like when a 6 year old tells you a story, but much angrier.

By Abe

October 3, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

Just cruising by. I see BD and the other lowlifes are still here, vomiting forth their collective ignorance. Gawd, what great days these are for the Republican party. So deserved and so long overdue. Do stay tuned - so much more yet to observe, reveal, and inspect.

By Goldie

October 3, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this

Thomas, I never suggested that we sue the NRA or gun manufacturers… but maybe they should be more responsible for whom they allow to use their product. We have laws regarding who can legally drink, we test potential drivers before allowing them to use cars, etc. Why not have some laws saying that only persons who pass a sanity test can legally purchase guns? And No, that wouldn’t solve the black-market problem, but it may create a hindrance for some crazy person from toting a gun around and killing innocent people! I think a yearly test for all gun-owners would be a start…

By dookie

October 3, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

Got boys

By Only At Luckovich's

October 3, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

By RE October 3, 2006 04:23 PM What is a jackleg?

By RE October 3, 2006 04:32 PM jackleg–adjective 1. unskilled or untrained for one’s work. Sorry, answered my own question, never heard anyone use that word before.

By RE October 3, 2006 05:17 PM Yeah Huge, I am not sure that Andy knew what jackleg meant before I posted it

Yep, in a span of 54 minutes RE totally forgot that he was the one who didn’t know what jackleg meant and then calls me an idiot.

This is too rich.

You liberals sure do give me some good belly laughs every once in a while.

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

Are Huge Bloviator and Thomas the Talk Engine having a spamming contest?

By RE

October 3, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

Goldie, Thomas,

On guns, in general any law passed is only going to be followed by the people you do not have to worry about anyway. I have found in general, legal gun owners are law abiding in all respects.

I think the policing should be done with gun resellers and gun shows where the oppertunity to circumvent background checks is possible.

Also, a barret 50.cal or an AR 15 with a 30 round clip may be cool, but they are military weapons, no sporting weapons.

By RE

October 3, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this

I would say that jackleg is a regional term at best, not a very common expression.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 3, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Huge and RE,

I see that Andy, the poster boy for what a lack of education does to a person, is attempting to insult your intelligence. That’s priceless!

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 3, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

Bi Granny,

I notice that you were throwing the term “loser” around earlier. One of us is employed (ootmvod). One isn’t (granny). One us serves the public good every day (ootmvod). One of us serves as an public annoyance every day (granny). One of us will have a positive effect on thousands of individuals (ootmvod). One us embarrasses herself regularly in front of thousands of individuals (granny). One us of will have accomplished something at the end of his life. One of us will play the role of Granny Weatherall at the end of hers. It seems as if you’ve been the one peeking through the wrong window. Either that, or my assessment about your valium and vodka habit is accurate, and you’re currently through half a bottle of each.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 3, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

Bi Granny,

One more thing, to stick to today’s topic: One of us defends pedophilia (granny). One of us doesn’t (ootmvod).

Freaking idiot.

By Calling The Hypocrites What They Really Are

October 3, 2006 06:15 PM | Link to this

Steadying the GOP’s Congressional Party will require Hastert and others to stand up and keep returning fire, and to do so with the anger appropriate when one is being smeared. It is also time to take off the gloves about Congressman Jefferson —still in Congress and still on Ways and Means— Senator Menendez and Colorado’s Bill Ritter as well as other past Democratic scandals which have gone unrepented and unpunished, as well as largely unpublished and unpursued by MSM. MSM’s delight in this attempt to tarnish the entire GOP for the disgusting behavior of one of its members is exactly the sort of garbage that motivates the base to fully engage in the campaigns of the next five weeks. Foley is gone, rightly condemned as he exited. Jefferson is still sitting on the House’s most powerful committee, and Menendez is still receiving an avalance of cash from his Senatorial Committee. Democrtaic Congressman Gerry Studds —for exactly the same behavior as Foley’s— was returned by voters to the House in five elections after his “censure” by the Democratic House, a censure understood by the Democratic leadership as the show slap on the wrist necessary and unpleasant but also not damaging to their loyal colleagues political prospects. Democratic Congressman Barney Frank’s own personal scandal did not deter his rise through the ranks to the senior position he know holds as ranking member of the Financial Services Committee.

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

I heard that some Lib (I’ll go out on a limb and guess “Democrat”) is pushing to have masturbation taught in the NYC schools as a regular part of the curriculum.

Darn it, it’s too bad that this Foley scandal couldn’t wait until the new textbooks are published.

Instead of having to resign, Foley could have been a guest teacher when they got to the chapter entitled “Cyber sex - nothing to be ashamed of”.

Stalker Boy OOTMVOD Creep,

With all that “good work” you do as a TA, and all that time you spend as a failed psychic AND ignorant armchair psychologist cum pharmacologist, how DO you find the time to peek in the wrong windows too? You must be exhausted.

By Dusty

October 3, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

All you commentors on the intelligence of others are not making yourselves look very good. In fact, if I were you, I wouldn’t mention that subject. Two things are very obvious and this is what bothers you:

Buy Danish is very bright and articulate. She doesn’t like misinformation and the pure party liberal line.

Andy is one of the sharpest tools in the box and he not only backs up his opinions, he tells you where you can read it yourself.

Maybe some of you “intelligentsia” ought to try that for a change.

By getalife

October 3, 2006 06:25 PM | Link to this

Still staunchly supporting the pervert appeasers and still no accountability.

Disgusting.

Puke.

By bon scott

October 3, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

Bi Granny. What a fitting nickname for a defender of drunks and closet pervs like Andy.

Thanks, OotMVoD, I owe you one.

Hey Bi Granny! Found any links between Brian Ross and your “evil pinko nation” yet?? Hey, he works for ABC, the network that brought you “The Path to 9/11”. That was a pinko plot too, right??

Snicker.

Didn’t think so.

Face facts. Hastert and Co. tried and failed to keep the lid on Foley’s little problem. They failed.

I don’t want to see Hastert quit (unlike the neocon toss-him-to-the-wolves Washington Times). I want to see him twist in the wind along with his duplicitous neocon buddy fruitcakes.

35 days and counting.

By RE

October 3, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this

“Andy is one of the sharpest tools in the box “

I am sure you have heard this before Dusty, but you do not have a very good box

By Ralph

October 3, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this

As despicable and disgusting and repugnant as the Republican Party is, the actions of Mark Foley are not the end of the world.

However, the crazed, irrational reaction now taking place in this country is in an atmosphere created absolutely by Republicans throughout the years. You don’t ever want to forget that fact of life.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 3, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this

Granny,

You’re right. I was probably wrong about the vodka. The unemployed usually drink gin.

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

From F. Lee Levin -

As I wrote earlier, the family sought to keep this matter from the public. Somebody decided that their interests were not important and not to be respected. They were either betrayed or, worse, someone improperly secured the messages. The point is that Foley has not been the only one exploiting the page. And I, for one, want to know who else has.

Stalker Boy?

By Buy Danish

October 3, 2006 06:41 PM | Link to this

Stalker Boy,

Wrong address again loser. Maybe you could try a cyber map.

Freaky Finchie,

You and Stalker Boy really ought to hook up. You are both failed psychics and total losers.

See my F. Lee Levin post about “leaks” fo the emails.

By getalife

October 3, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

Andy is one of the sharpest tools in the box

Yes, the sand box.

Run kids.

By Jim Wooten's Biggest Fan

October 3, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this

Cartoon Idea: Show the majority party convening, (it looks like a regular session of the senate), , and the Speaker stands up and says, “Hello, My Name is Dennis Hasert, and I’m an enabler”.

Then show the rest of the Repudlickan senate (enabling conspirators) in unison answering, “Hello, Dennis”.

PEA: Pedophile Enablers Anonymous

By Bush

October 3, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this

Dusty, our resident medical restroom mopper, STFU. You are a complete waste of space on earth. And in love with a pigsty like BD.

By Collin

October 3, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

Luckovich, Since it’s the left-wing, limp-wristed, liberal party of tolerance who opened the door for perverted behavior, I’m not surprised that you’re looking in with eyes glazed over.

Very stimulating conversation by your liberal cohorts here. I guess you’re enjoying that too, eh Luckovich?

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 3, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

Granny,

You must have a strange definition of the word “loser,” because the criteria I laid out at 5:59 pretty clearly shows you meet most people’s qualifications for that word. But then again, in your world black is white, up is down, war is peace, Republicans have family values, and pedophiles are pictures of morality. In other words, you are a living contradiction to reality. So you calling anyone a loser is nothing more than amusement for the rest of us.

By getalife

October 3, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

Yes cowardly colon,

Its the libs sending perverted IM’s.

macaca.

By The Most Intelligent Thing The Libs Said Today

October 3, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

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Well, O.K. we’ll look and see if we can find anything tomorrow.

By Randy

October 3, 2006 07:02 PM | Link to this

We have a brilliant statement from the other Bush at 6:44. Dusty was right. Intelligence is sorely lacking in the Democrats underbrush these days.

STFU. Not a phrase President Bush would ever think of using. His decency wouldn’t allow it.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 3, 2006 07:04 PM | Link to this

Collin,

Brilliant mind you’re displaying there- liberals are the limp-wristed ones who take part in perverted behavior, but your party’s candidate was the one soliciting sex with boys, in addition to Cunningham, Ney, and Delay perverting Democracy. You, moron, are a hypocrite.

As your teammate, Bi Granny would say, freaking idiot.

By Jack This PedoFinchie

October 3, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

By pedophile bon scott freak September 29, 2006 06:58 PM Short eyes likes his boy toys!! Is that why you get juiced? Yummmmm… just watch their little legs!!By the way, what kind of lubricant do you and your boy-toys prefer? Do you use xanax or roofies to loosen them up, or does vodka alone do the trick?

You can tell somebody has thought this^^ through.

Sick.

By Jim Wooten's Biggest Fan

October 3, 2006 07:10 PM | Link to this

I think I can filed that question about Lucky enjoying the conversation.

Luckovich thinks that everyone’s opinion is important. He agrees with Einstein: all observations are valid, there is no single correct point of view (both literally and figuratively).

That said, however, he thinks you’re a zero. Your syntactical choices reveal a mind that has gross synaptical failures, (both literally and figuratively).

That said, however, mitochondrial mutations occur frequently in nature and are nothing to be ashamed of sir.

So blog on, my fine friend, not everybody thinks you’re a nitwit. Surely there’s one person out there who is showing your blogs (printed out on the expensive paper) to his wife at dinnertime (eating on the expensive china), and sharing your insights, laughing over wine, commenting spontaneously about how lucky the world is to have such a wit so readily available to anyone with a PC.

By George

October 4, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this

Typical Republican Thinking. Someone else is always to blame

Foley Lawyer Cites Alcohol, Childhood Abuse

Disgraced former lawmaker Mark Foley’s behavior was affected by alcoholism and childhood molestation but he “never attempted to have sexual contact with a minor,” his attorney said yesterday in the first extensive defense of the Florida Republican’s actions, which have rocked Congress and the GOP.

Lawyer David Roth told reporters in Florida that Foley was intoxicated when he sent lewd electronic messages to former House pages but was always sober when conducting official business during his 12 years in Congress. Roth said he could not explain new reports of an exchange in which Foley appeared to be having Internet sex with a youth while participating in a House roll-call vote.

Oh yea, so much for LAST Throes!

8 G.I.�s Die in Baghdad, Most in a Day Since �05

BAGHDAD, Oct. 3 � Eight United States soldiers were killed Monday in Baghdad, the United States military said, the most in the capital in a day since July 2005.

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By candide

October 4, 2006 08:12 AM | Link to this

What a country! 1. Kissinger has xeroxed his old memos to Nixon about staying the course in Vietnam and sending them to Bush.

Dick Morris says Hillary will be president and he worries she is a European-style Socialist. We should be so lucky.

Foley has decided that having been molested by a priest would help get him sympathy.

Hastert was once a high school wrestling coach, and Boehner one of 12 children of a Cincinnati saloon keeper. Can’t we get better people from better backgrounds? Like Bush.

By Phil

October 4, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

Hey there Randy. About that “other Bush” and “decency.” Would that be G.H.W. Bush in 1945 over the island of Chi Chi Jima, as he claimed his cockpit “was on fire” and jumped out at 1500 feet, leaving his plane to invert and crash into the sea, killing the tail gunner and torpedo man? Pilot is absolutely forbidden to bail out prior to his crew getting out. More than 180 searching eyes saw NO fire in/on Bush’s plane. A stunt that would propel a normal guy into Leavenworth for 10 years. Same “other Bush” on the rescue submarine who had 14 officers & crew file a written complaint with the Naval Dept. about his “laughing, frat-boy behavior” aboard the sub? Deep history and fact. Books galore on the subject. Some of those books were written 60 years ago, right after the incident and the war. By those who witnessed it. Bush family values. Therefore Randy, do STFU. The ignorance of you and your ilk is underwhelming. Sneak in any NAS anywhere and you will find accounts of Bush’s behavior prominantly displayed. Naval Aviation does not cover for its traitors.

By Cal

October 4, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this

HAHAHA! Funny George. I read that same article and was thinking Foley’s claims of victimization through alcohol addiction & sexual abuse sounded like a sales promotion for liberalism.

Hey mike. No new toon?

By IMPEACH CHIMPY

October 4, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this

“STFU. Not a phrase President Bush would ever think of using. His decency wouldn’t allow it.”

Bush’s “decency” is shown in other ways like giving the finger to the camera before a televised speech and telling Cheney that a reporter in the audience is “a major league a*******hole” into a live mike. Not to mention the “decency” it takes to get thousands of our troops killed for nothing.

By IMPEACH CHIMPY

October 4, 2006 08:40 AM | Link to this

Cal, I’m surprised you didn’t see the obvious regarding Foley blaming alcohol and priests. It’s the Republicans who never take responsibility for their actions. The buck NEVER stops with them.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

October 4, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

STFU. Not a phrase President Bush would ever think of using. His decency wouldn’t allow it. May be, but it doesn’t prevent him from giving the finger on camera.

By It's Just About Sex

October 4, 2006 08:52 AM | Link to this

Thanks alot, Georgie Girl: To keep you from hacking into the blog early they won’t let us get the new cartoon until they feel the danger you pose has passed.

Congratulations.

You join psycho PedoFinchie as a new blog rule champion.

By Cal

October 4, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

Hey Sneaky Phil! Looks like you don’t have access to a NAS Sneaky. Leftie blogsites maybe? How about wiki?

Chimpy, I agree. Thousands of lives lost for nothings like you. The ones who show disregard for our military.

And btw, the whining never stops with you libs. Victims, victims, victims.

Have a good one. I’m off.

By Buy Danish

October 4, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this

IC and Tex,

That’s the best you’ve got? Bush joking with the cameraman?

No one is supporting Foley - not for his perv behavior or for his excuses.

BUT, to try to claim that this behavior is unique to Republicans is absurd and if you had any intellectual honesty (or otherwise) you wouldn’t try to invent false premises.

Oh yeah - I forgot that you guys are probably staunch Darwiniacs and Utopian dreamers, so false premises is your standard currency, and to have intellectual honesty presumes that you have an intellect to begin with. My bad.

Candide,

Thanks for admitting that you’re a committed Socialist. Most of your team mates like to pretend that they are “moderate Dems”.

By getalife

October 4, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

Day 3 of Pagegate on the MSM.

Of course, Hasturd is playing the victim and will not accept responsibility.

Typical cowardly pos but to be expected from the pervert appeasers.

By Goldie

October 4, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

It’s a beautiful day in da neighborhood, a beautiful day in da neighborhood — won’t you be ma neighbor?

Only 5 weeks ‘til the November elections— there’s still hope for saving America from the radical right in Congress— Woo-hooooo!!!

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 4, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

IC and LTD,

You mentioned the shows of decency by little Bush that I was thinking about, but left one out- our fearless leader using the word sh!t during a conference of world leaders while at the same time stuffing his mouth with food, one of his more sophisticated moments. And let’s not forget the decency of his cocaine and alcohol abuse a few years ago. Oh, and deserting the military. Oh, and lying to the country in order to attack an unrelated third party. Oh, and…

By George

October 4, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

WTF!!!!

October 3, 2006 — Informed sources in Tallahassee, Florida have told WMR that Governor Jeb Bush was fully aware of ex-Rep. Mark Foley’s conduct with underage male pages but sat on the information to protect Foley and another top GOP Florida official, Attorney General Charlie Crist, who is currently running for governor to replace Bush. Today, Jeb Bush said he had not previously known about Foley’s behavior with the pages before being informed by House Speaker Dennis Hastert in a letter dated October 1, 2006. Bush said he was “dismayed and shocked to learn about Congressman Foley’s unacceptable behavior.”

However, according to our Florida sources, the FBI and Justice Department informed the Florida Governor’s office, Attorney General Crist, and the Florida AG’s Child Protection Cybercrime Unit at least a year ago about Foley’s predatory emails and instant messages. WMR was told that Crist’s conflict-of-interest in the case stems from Crist’s and Foley’s involvement in gay sex parties, some of which took place during 2003 in trendy Coconut Grove, Florida.

Foley scandal reverberating in Florida gubernatorial race. Left to right: Crist, Foley, and Jeb Bush.

Informed Florida sources claim that up until now, Crist and Jeb Bush have been able to keep a lid on the once-divorced Crist’s life style, touting his conservative Christian credentials, but that the Foley revelations will severely impact the Crist gubernatorial campaign. The links between Foley and Crist are certain to harm Crist with his conservative backers who admire Crist for his anti-gay rights stance. Floridians begin early voting on October 23.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 4, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

Candide,

I’m with you on the socialism. Funny thing is most Americans, especially dim-witted conservatives, think socialism is a form of government.

Bi Granny,

Don’t you have toilets to clean, laundry to fold, or gin to imbibe? Freaking loser.

By getalife

October 4, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

Bi Damaged,

BUT, you have been staunchly supporting these pervert appeasers for three days.

spit

By Goldie

October 4, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

This photo of Foley presenting the “Rough Rider Award” is too funny!

“The hits just keep on coming!”

By Buy Danish

October 4, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

George,

Do you think it would be too much trouble to provide a link for that story that you just copied without sourcing?

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 4, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

What I Wrote: If the parents comment as quoted by Alexander on CNN is accurate, “they just wanted it to go away”, the damn parents should resign today too.

What Dusty Wrote: And according to Ms. Godzilla, All parents of molested children should also resign. (No mention of just whom should take over their job.)

Does anybody other than Dusty not see the difference?

Dusty, you are right though, I don’t know who should take over the job of parents who have, by ignoring theirs child’s’ trauma, enabled the predators in our society.

When a child is touched by a sexual predator, they catch a “disease”. Like a huge blister on their souls, on their psyches. If it is not dealt with, it will continue to caste a shadow over their entire lives. Negatively affecting every relationship they have.

It is real. It is terrible.

When parents took large settlements from bishops - in the church I was baptized into as an infant - rather than prosecute the predators, they sold out. Yes, the money may pay for help, but the predator, like the energizer bunny, just keeps on going.

The stats I read say it happens to 1 in 4 females, and 1 in 5 males. Experts say the numbers are probably low, since too many parents do not report it. They just want it to go away. Many of the posters here must have been victims too.

I look around my circle of female friends, and nearly half have been victims. From the oft excused “boys will be boys” forced grabbing and fondling etc of 7th graders on a school bus to violent rape. None of these women became sexual predators, but all live with some of the shame. My heart breaks for Foley the little boy, molested by clergy. I have no patience for Foley the man, who could not restrain himself.

If we are serious about protecting our most precious children, we must get the redators. Lock them up, consider chemical castration, there must be ways. Please god, there must be ways. We must also address the parents who do not fight the good fight for their kids.

Letting it “just go away”, may seem easier at the moment, but in the long run it is a huge mistake.

By Buy Danish

October 4, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

BS. The first day this story broke I made the unreasonable request that we look at the facts as we knew them at the time and give the guy a moment of due process.

Sorry if you find that offensive.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 4, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this

Bi Granny,

You claim advanced intellect but think Darwinism is for dreamers? Your insistance in building your world view around ridiculous fables written by primative, religious charlatains 3000 years ago (much like the current loons in the Middle East) just goes to show how accurate the Granny Weatherall label is. And Aphrodite was creating when Zeus cut off his father’s penis and threw it into sea foam. Believe that one too? Freaking idiot.

By Goldie

October 4, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

The Neo-con conspiracy wingnuts have been going full-tilt with the Foley scandal— Matt Sludge-Drudge calling the teenage pages “beasts” for seducing poor Foley and making him do perverted things! And Oxycontin Limbaugh said yesterday that he believes the Dems “planted” those pages in Congress and made Foley do those perverted things!

Yes, the “personal responsibility” crowd showing their true colors once again!

By Buy Danish

October 4, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

I hate to interrupt your reverie, but the Louisiana kid was NOT involved with the really lurid IMs. Unfortunately he is being erroneously linked with that stuff, which is damaging his reputation.

I guess that the “right to privacy” does not extend to Pages who are not eager to be tabloid news. His parents did the right thing in trying to keep him out of the public eye. They were in touch with Hastert’s office, so the idea that they were covering up for Foley is d.o.a.

By getalife

October 4, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

Bi Granny,

I find you a pathetic pervert appeaser.

He admitted being a pervert and now playing the victim just like the rest of you cowarldly pos pervert lovers.

By Goldie

October 4, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Another result of the Repugnants’ xenophobia

I’m sure Pat Buchanan and his crowd are ready to go apple-picking now and bring that work back to all the good Euro-Americans who’ve been waiting for those agri-jobs!

By Buy Danish

October 4, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Stalker Boy,

Try peddling your false premises and psychotic hallucinations elsewhere. There are plenty of places where you can go to receive the praise and attention you so desperately crave.

I’m just going to tell you what a punk POS creep you are, so unless you’re a masochist, you’d be advised to look elsewhere for affirmation.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 4, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

Now the pages who Foley solicited sex from are receiving death threats. Does anyone want to hazard a guess as to which party the threats are coming from? I have a feeling it’s not liberals who are threatening the boys. Neoscumservatives.

By Paul

October 4, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

I don’t remember if it was this forum or not, but there was a discussion about the Drudge Report - does it favor Republicans, etc. I said I’d pretty much viewed it a a compilation of wire service headlines and a nice source for accessing columnists. Someome (I don’t remember who) pointed out some examples of bias - headlines, pictures, etc.

Well the Washington Post has a good article here Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/03/AR2006100301030_pf.html about this very topic. Some would read it as not very flattering at all towards the Drudge Report - theme is it has led to image over substance, nonissues over issues in American politics. Very well written but a bit long. Interestingly, I found the article link - on the Drudge Report! Could be he takes is as complimentary -

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 4, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

Bi Granny,

I come to this site for entertainment when I’m not involved in public service work, which is why I haven’t been here in months. You spend nearly every waking moment here, so it appears that it is you who are using this forum to garner the praise and attention that you lack in your private life, in addition to being closer to a regular stalker on this site (oh, what a pathetic existence you lead). It is amazing how you project your own inadequacies on others. Just like how you claim the Democrats are ultimately responsible for the Republican’s reprehensible behavior in the capital.

By Buy Danish

October 4, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

I find you a pathetic al qaeda appeaser. You bi*tch like a whining pig when they aren’t treated to your wussy specifications, yet were unwilling to give Foley the same due process you want in spades for mass murdering scum.

The manufactured outrage from you “it’s just about sex!” Libs is disgusting, and I’m betting that the voters are just smart enough to see through the transparent hypocrisy of the party that, among other things, puts people like Jocelyn “teach masturbation” Elders in positions of power over our children’s curriculum.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 4, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

Bi-Danish: “reverie” ????? wow.

You have the right to privacy on this issue with your children, to be sure. May the good lord protect your children.

I do not believe a parents right to privacy outweighs their responsibilty to get their kids closure and get the predator behind bars.

Why did they go to Hastert’s office and not the cops? I’m sorry, but my kids have always been worth the effort to do the right thing.

By Buy Danish

October 4, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

The F.B.I. DID see the original email which is what the Louisiana page received. There was nothing to prosecute based on that email.

Once again - the IMs did NOT go to the Lousisiana page. This kid does not deserve to have his reputation smeared.

By Buy Danish

October 4, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

Punk POS Stalker Boy Creep,

It’s none of your effing business how I conduct my life, and everytime you make allusions to it you put a great big “Peeping Tom” sign on your back.

God only knows what “public service” you perform, but I just hope you are nowhere around children.

If you’re looking for kicks try an S&M parlor. My computer is set to reject that sort of search so you’ll have to Google it or use the phone book yourself.

Meanwhile, I will continue to do what I enjoy, which includes pointing out what an unevolved life form you and your wanker buddies are.

Freaking tub scum.

By candide

October 4, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

Yes, the democrats got some Irish priest from Boston to molest Foley so that the GOP could be picked on.

By Midori

October 4, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

what’s wrong with this picture?

By getalife

October 4, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

“I find you a pathetic al qaeda appeaser.”

Please post my words about this pathetic attempt to smear me.

What a pos you are.

By Buy Danish

October 4, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

I hope this puts a damper on the ludicrous spin that perversion is unique to Republicans.

There are a lot of very screwed up people in the world, and some of them are Democrats.

By Buy Danish

October 4, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

Midori,

It was undoubtedly human error. I can’t imagine why anyone would think that Foley was a Democrat.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 4, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

Bi Granny,

Considering your defense of pedophilic behavior these last two days, I think it is you who need to be kept away from children, especially your Log Cabin Republican.

I didn’t know there were such things as “S&M parlors.” Tell me, is that how you relieve the boredom of your stay-at-home-and-blog-all-day lifestyle? Or is that just a conservative kind of thing?

I believe you have a lack of understanding concerning the process of evolution. Liberals have evolved philosophically from the primitive beliefs held by post-Neanderthals from thousands of years ago, beliefs you and your ilk still cling to. That would mean that you are the one who is unevolved.

I really do marvel at your powers of projection. They are quite impressive.

By RW-(the original)

October 4, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

Good catch Midori, if he had a D behind his name the part that would be wrong would be where it says FORMER Congressman.

Nancy Pelosi keeps saying, “Any Republican that knew about these IM’s should resign immediately.” I would tend to agree with her if she replaced the word “Republican” with the word “anyone.” Why do you suppose she thinks that only a Republican that knew should resign? Could it be that she knows the answer to the following?

So who did know? <—————Look I can link Yahoo too!

By Buy Danish

October 4, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

Are you denying that you are one of the ones who have been squawking and squealing about “torture” of detainees, habeus corpus “rights” for enemy combatants, NSA wiretaps, blah blah blah?

By Somebody's Mama

October 4, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

Guess who I would never let babysit?

Clues: Freaking tub scum. You bi*tch like a whining pig I’m just going to tell you what a punk POS creep you are

Speaks volumes don’t it.

By Truthman

October 4, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

“I cannot trust a man to control others who cannont control himself!”

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 4, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

Hey Andy,

The offer to allow you to have your beating still stands, pu$$y.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

October 4, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

Actually, Andy is the perfect candidate for castration, chemical or otherwise. She is one person who should never be allowed to reproduce.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 4, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish - I will trust you and concede that the page from LA only got “naughty” i.m.’s, and not the explicitly sexual e-mails.

However, my point regarding parents who enable predators stands firm.

Can I ask, have you ever been victimized? Has someone you love ever been victimized?

By getalife

October 4, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

Yes pos,

Real Americans are not scared of a few bad people like you cowards.

You let them win by changing our constitution.

It is pathetic.

Frist is waving the white flag of surrender to the freaking taliban.

Spit.

By Buy Danish

October 4, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

{{I really do marvel at your powers of projection. They are quite impressive}}

Stalker Boy Punk POS Creep,

Look in the mirror Tom. You’re the one who spends his time speculating about my private life, and ALWAYS comes to the wrong conclusion.

Sick freak.

By RW-(the original)

October 4, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

If you are a Democrat and caught prancing around with a bunch of other men wearing nothing but body paint, in full view of at least a camera lens and who knows who else, then it’s a vicious political trick and you should stay in public office.

Nope nothing to see here, if asking for a picture of someone in a hurricane zone is dead on proof that you are a pedophile, then surely prancing around with a bunch of naked men in war paint in full view of at the very least a camera lens shows some potential dangers ahead.

Not to mention the racist mocking of American Indians.

So what do you libs think about White? Is deviant behavior and racism OK if you sport a D behind your name?

By bon scott

October 4, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

By Buy Granny - October 4, 2006 10:36 AM - Getalife, Are you denying that you are one of the ones who have been squawking and squealing about “torture” of detainees, habeus corpus “rights” for enemy combatants, NSA wiretaps, blah blah blah?

I had no IDEA that Congressman Foley was in jail, held incommunicado, denied legal representation, denied the right to examine the evidence against him, etc., etc….

Bi Granny, THANK YOU for enlightening us on the injustices poor Mr. Foley is enduring!!

But seriously, aren’t you concerned that your efforts to link Foley’s plight to that of Gitmo prisoners will further erode your credibility? Or are you really that stupid?

Hey, where’s your boy-toy Andy? Too drunk to find his keyboard?

By RW-(the original)

October 4, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

By the way, ml woke up to flog the horse some more.

By Midori

October 4, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

The truth about Gerry Stubbs:

“The 1983 Congressional page sex scandal was a political scandal in the United States involving members of the United States House of Representatives.

On July 14, 1983 the House Ethics Committee concluded that Rep. Dan Crane (R-Ill.) and Rep. Gerry Studds (D-Mass.) had engaged in sexual relationships with minors, specifically 17-year-old congressional pages. In Crane’s case, it was a 1980 relationship with a female page and in Studds’s case, it was a 1973 relationship with a male page. Both representatives immediately pleaded guilty to the charges and the committee decided to simply reprimand the two.

However, Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) demanded their expulsion. On July 20, 1983, the House voted for censure, the first time that censure had been imposed for sexual misconduct. Crane, who subsequently apologized for his transgression, lost his bid for reelection in 1984.

Studds, however, stood by the facts of the case and refused to apologize for his behavior, and even turned his back and ignored the censure being read to him. He called a press conference with the former page, in which both stated that the young man was legal and consenting. Studds did not break any U.S. laws for that time, in what he and page called a “private relationship.” He continued to be reelected until his retirement in 1996.”

By I Hear The Sound Of A Wanker

October 4, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

By One of the Major Wankers of Cartoon Boy’s Blog October 4, 2006 10:47 AM Hey Andy, The offer to allow you to have your beating still stands, pu$$y.

Soon as I finish with your Mom, O.K?

She’s awful frisky today so it may be a while.

By Buy Danish

October 4, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

What is it with you weirdos wanting to pry into the private life of strangers? Is this the Biography Channel?

Mrs. Godzilla,

The Louisiana page DID NOT receive any IMs. He received an EMAIL which was not sexually explicit. The only “naughty” thing in it was that Foley asked for his picture.

His parents did the right thing. I know nothing about the parents of the pages who were engaging in cybersex with Foley, and neither do you, so I am not going to speculate as to their parenting skills.

Read RW’s 10:36 link if you want to know who I think needs to answer for himself.

Hint: Democrat operatives concerned with a political “gotcha!” and not with the welfare of the pages.

Getalife,

Sorry, but I don’t comprehend this portion of your 10:58 post:

“Real Americans are not scared of a few bad people like you cowards. You let them win by changing our constitution.”

WTF are you babbling about? Is that your defense that you’re not an al qaeda enabler?

By Midori

October 4, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

what’s this about someone prancing?

By Midori

October 4, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

Robert Novak reporting GOP pushed for Foley reelection AFTER emails

By Buy Danish

October 4, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

Freaky Freak finchie,

Getalife was not interested in giving Foley due process. That’s my point idiot.

Hypocrisy runs really deep with you Libs doesn’t it.

By Mrs. Godzilla

October 4, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish - whatever……

Do you think parents should let the sexual molestation of their children just go away??

By Buy Danish

October 4, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

Midori,

Let me see if I have this right:

Real sex with Pages good - Don’t resign.

Virtual sex with Pages bad - Resign.

Just trying to get the post-Monica definitions of sex straight, along with the modern definitions of immoral behavior.

You must admit it’s a bit confusing.

By Midori

October 4, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of you people constantly yelling “Stubbs did it too”.

The truth is out there.

By Rich

October 4, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Mike, if the Florida media, the boy’s family, and the FBI didn’t feel any responsibility to have the 2005 incident investigated; why does it only fall in Hastert’s(R) lap?

By Midori

October 4, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

I also find it amusing that the whole time you people were yelling “MONICA”, Foley was yelling, “WANT SOME CANDY”

By Buy Danish

October 4, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

Mrs. Godzilla,

Why don’t you try sticking to the facts of the Foley case? I’m really getting tired of having to repeat them to you.

Sheesh.

By RW-(the original)

October 4, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

Midori,

Taking a minor to Monaco to sexually abuse them is OK in your book? Well at least he was careful to go somewhere where it was legal

That is even idiotic by your standards.

By Midori

October 4, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

ABC: It Was Republicans NOT Dems Who Were Its Sources For Foley Story

RW - this is the last time I plan to respond to you. Trying to engage in civil discourse is a huge waste of time on my part. I don’t need your insults; save them for someone else. I also don’t need your constant twisting of facts to match your twisted view of current events.

Good Bye.

By Midori

October 4, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

Robert Scheer: RICE MORE SORDID THAN FOLEY

By Buy Danish

October 4, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

RW,

I guess Midori didn’t bother to read your link to Gateway Pundit.

By Midori

October 4, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

Foley tried to cut a deal with ABC’s Brian Ross, to not publish IM’s

By Midori

October 4, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

FORMER FOLEY CHIEF OF STAFF KIRK FORDHAM RESIGNS AMID QUESTIONS OVER WHETHER HE SUPRESSED INFORMATION ABOUT FOLEY EMAILS