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By Lord Help Us

September 20, 2006 08:09 AM | Link to this

After years of listening to the painful rhetoric from the ‘Christian’ right regarding the moral decline in this country, it is illuminating to observe their unflinching rationalization of Bush’s push to legitimize the use of torture on human beings (most of which are also denied due process).

Shameful, immoral hypocrites who iexplicably view the left as immoral.

By IVAW Supports Gulf War Vets When Nobody Else Will

September 20, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this

IRAQ VETERANS AGAINST THE WAR

By Help IVAW Defend American Soldiers From Republicans

September 20, 2006 08:13 AM | Link to this

IRAQ VETERANS AGAINST THE WAR

By Brian Curtis

September 20, 2006 08:15 AM | Link to this

I think it’s amusing to see the far right defend moral relativism, the very thing they got so outraged about when they accused liberals of it.

But now, it suddenly doesn’t matter what depths the U.S. sinks to, as long as we’re “not quite as bad as Saddam. Or Stalin. See, WE may do bad things, but they did horrible things, so that makes our bad stuff okay.”

Welcome to the relativist club, neocons!

By Mrs. Godzilla

September 20, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this

Any compromise over torture is a deal with the devil that will come back and haunt us and our children.

We must be better than that.

By Republican Last Throes

September 20, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide truck bomb slammed into a Baghdad police headquarters on Wednesday, killing seven and wounding more than a dozen in a deadly 24 hours that saw more than 45 killed in Iraq, including two American soldiers, authorities said.

If you believe in ‘last throes’ (or anything else that comes out of a Republican mealy-mouth), I have a sale on Brooklyn bridges this month that you may be interested in. Wanna hear another Republican fairy tale ? ? ?

By Mike

September 20, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

Wow! 7,998 cartoons in a row without criticism of a non-Repubplican or non-conservative!

That Mikey sure is a straight shooter. He is no partisan hack!

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 08:40 AM | Link to this

Would one of you shrieking moonbats please point to one item of torture that the President is pushing to have allowed?

You can’t do it because you’re lying, but I bet it won’t stop you.

By Buy Danish

September 20, 2006 08:40 AM | Link to this

LHU,

Why don’t you share with us what your rules would be? Here is what is actually in play -

[Details emerged yesterday about the seven interrogation techniques the CIA is seeking to be allowed to apply to terror suspects…The techniques sought by the CIA are: induced hypothermia; forcing suspects to stand for prolonged periods; sleep deprivation; a technique called “the attention grab” where a suspect’s shirt is forcefully seized; the “attention slap” or open hand slapping that hurts but does not lead to physical damage; the “belly slap”; and sound and light manipulation.] (http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1874823,00.html)

WAAAAAAH!

I like this analysis by the Union Leader, entitled “Playing nice - A luxury we can’t afford”:

Last week these four Republicans joined Democrats on the Senate Armed Services Committee in voting to prevent CIA officers who interrogate terror suspects from being any rougher on said suspects than Mary Poppins would be…

More excerpts:

{{We are not at war with the al-Qaida Women’s Knitting Club. Even if we had all terror suspects flown first-class to Chicago and interrogated on Oprah Winfrey’s couch it would not reduce by one iota the enemy’s resolve to bring our civilization to a bloody end by the most barbaric means…}}

{{As author Richard Miniter wrote last week after visiting the prison at Guantanamo Bay, “America has never faced an enemy who has so ruthlessly broken all of the rules of war — yet never has an enemy been treated so well…}}

I’ve got it! We could offer them first class tickets to a C.A.I.R. banquet if they cooperate!

By MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

September 20, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Shiite militias are encouraging children — some as young as 6 or 7 — to hurl stones and gasoline bombs at U.S. convoys, hoping to lure American troops into ambushes or provoke them into shooting back, U.S. soldiers say.

Gangs of up to 100 children assemble in Sadr City, stronghold of radical anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army militia, and in nearby neighborhoods, U.S. officers said in interviews this week.

American soldiers have seen young men, their faces covered by bandanas, talking with the children before the rock-throwing attacks begin — and sometimes handing out slingshots so the volleys will be more accurate, the troops said.

“It’s like a militia operation. They’ll mass rocks on the last or second-to-last vehicle” in a U.S. patrol, said Capt. Chris L’Heureux, 30, of Woonsocket, R.I. “There’s no doubt in my mind that they’re utilizing these kids in a deliberate, thought-out way.”

Al-Sadr’s followers insist they are not organizing attacks by children. “Such behavior by Iraqi children is spontaneous and the natural reaction from innocent children who are witnessing horrible deeds committed by the occupation forces in Iraq,” Ali al-Yassiri, an aide to al-Sadr, told The Associated Press.

Stone the soldiers is a cute little street game for Iraqi children. Remember how King George and his merry henchmen have told us that the Iraqis welcome us as liberators? It’s just another republican LIE ! ! !

The reason Republicans keep this war so sanitized and restrict explicit photographic images is so they can continue to foist LIE after LIE on the American public so they can continue to make a few more war-bucks selling war supplies as long as the American public will allow them to. If a few more grunts get killed along the way, what the heck….they made their profit margin. MIS

By FACT CHECK ALERT

September 20, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

7,998 cartoons in a row without criticism of a non-Repubplican or non-conservative!

Sounds like Bush Speak.

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 20, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

The treatment of enemy prisoners has been a major topic on the left, whether at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo or from “rendition” to other countries. Did the interrogation methods used in Pakistan to gain key information about the London airline plot violate Sen. John McCain’s strictures against torture? This is not merely an expression of sympathy for the enemy, it is a fear that under the pressures of war, Americans will regain their former “bellicose” attitudes and adopt methods of war as ruthless as those employed by the enemy, {{{They might even find a new determination to win — which is not a politically correct attitude}}}.-WashingtonTimes

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The pinko times says:

Use of torture tactics to interrogate prisoners would compromise ideals that helped build nation-AJC

Look, everybody, the liberals are “patriots” today!

How about: Lack of “torture” tactics could lead prisoners to destroy nation?

Is that what you liberals hope for?

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Queen Pinko says:

Democrats have been especially critical of the voter ID law, the most stringent in the nation. They suspect that it’s just another attempt by Republicans to put obstacles in front of voters who are likely to cast their ballots for Democrats; the poor and the elderly tend to be reliable Democratic constituencies.-Urinal

Quick: Name a financial institution that will cash a government check with out some form of ID?

If you have to register to vote could you not register for an ID at the same time, huh, huh?

Why do liberals fight so hard against legitimizing our elections?

If you liberals aren’t cheating then you aren’t trying, right?

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 20, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

Yep, this “journalist” was just doing his “job:”

Let me repeat that: An Associated (with terrorists) Press journalist gets caught with an alleged al Qaeda leader and tests positive for bomb-making materials. That. Is. News. How does a news organization explain away its decision to sit on it for five months? Like this: “The AP has worked quietly until now, believing that would be the best approach.”-TownHall

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Gay rights activist Rosie O’Donnell said, “Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America where we have separation of church and state.” Proof of this scurrilous statement is of course nowhere to be found, and were the subject matter not so grim, it would be comical. It blows the mind that those who tremble at the slightest perception of a crack in their imagined wall between church and state, should continuously alibi for the bloody supporters of Sharia, which advocates death for those who choose to follow man-made law.-AmericanSpectator

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To understand what the pope actually said, one would have to stop and think, which is a colossal waste of time when there are infidels to kill. Thus far, people who claim to be fervent disciples of the religion of peace have shot a missionary nun in Somalia and demolished Christian holy sites in the West Bank and Gaza. All this just because the pope had the audacity to suggest that some Islamists tend to prefer violence to reason. Whatever gave him that idea?- RealClearPolitics

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 20, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

Ding, ding, ding:

No, this is about us. The best book for illuminating what’s going on in the Muslim “street” isn’t some weighty treatise on Islam; it’s a short little tract called “White Guilt” by Shelby Steele. The book isn’t even about Islam. Steele focuses on white liberals and the black radicals who’ve been gaming them ever since the 1960s. Whites, he argues, have internalized their own demonization. Deep down they fear that maybe they are imperialistic, racist bastards, and they are desperate to prove otherwise. In America, black radicals figured this out a while ago and have been dunning liberal whites ever since.-RealClearPolitics

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Ding, ding, ding:

One never knows how an election is going to come out, but it’s not surprising that he’s surging in the latest polls (USAToday Gallup has his approval rating suddenly up to 44%). Our conviction has long been that whatever the American people are, they are not dumb. They, in their millions, are watching this situation, and they are going to appreciate someone willing to put in a good word at the United Nations for the country they love.-NYSun

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Ding, ding, ding:

Global warming is happening, but humans are not the cause, one of the nation’s top experts on hurricanes said Monday morning. Bill Gray, who has studied tropical meteorology for more than 40 years, spoke at the Larimer County Republican Club Breakfast about global warming and whether humans are to blame. Gray, who is a professor at Colorado State University, said human-induced global warming is a {{{{ perpetuated by the media and scientists who are trying to get federal grants}}}}.-ReporterHerald

By CONGRESSIONAL REPORT CARD

September 20, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON, Sept. 20 /U.S. Newswire/ — Today, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) released its second annual report on the most corrupt members of Congress entitled Beyond DeLay: The 20 Most Corrupt Members of Congress (and five to watch).

CREW’s Most Corrupt Members of Congress:

Members of the Senate: Conrad Burns (R-MO), Bill Frist (R-TN), Rick Santorum (R-PA).

Members of the House: Roy Blunt (R-MO), Ken Calvert (R-CA), John Doolittle (R-CA), Tom Feeney (R-FL), Katherine Harris (R-FL), William Jefferson (D-LA), Jerry Lewis (R-CA), Gary Miller (R-CA), Alan Mollohan (D-WV), Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO), Richard Pombo (R-CA), Rick Renzi (R-AZ), Pete Sessions (R-TX), John Sweeney (R-NY), Charles Taylor (R-NC), Maxine Waters (D-CA), Curt Weldon (R-PA)

Five Members to Watch: Chris Cannon (R-UT), J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ), Dennis Hastert (R-IL), John Murtha (D-PA), Don Sherwood (R-PA)

Tally: Of the 25 most corrupt members of Congress, 21 are Republican, 4 are Democrats, and 0 are independent ! ! ! Sounds about right to me…..let’s chase the skunks out of Congress in November, Vote anything but Republican ! ! !

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 20, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this

What an absolute total loser, same as all of liberalism:

By Spammer/ Blog Slower September 20, 2006 08:43 AM BAGHDAD, Iraq - ————————>Shiite militias are encouraging children<——————- — some as young as 6 or 7 — to hurl stones and gasoline bombs at U.S. convoys, hoping to lure American troops into ambushes or provoke them into shooting back, U.S. soldiers say.

We’re talking basic comprehension skills here, this spammer is more worried about cutting and pasting the first article it comes to and blaming it on America.

F you, spammer. Stick it up your a-ss.

THE SHIITE MILITIAS ARE ENCOURAGING CHILDREN.

What the F don’t you understand about this, you filthy mofo?

You blame it on America, the world wonders what the F is wrong with us, and piles on.

Where is the outrage for THE SHIITES ENCOURAGING THE CHILDREN????????

Does it even concern you that children are being placed in mortal danger?

You are a filthy effing loser.

By getalife

September 20, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this

Torture is not American.

Where did my country go?

By You're Right, Where Is Osama?

September 20, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

I guess being half intelligent is not a major concern for some people:

By Lord Help Us September 20, 2006 08:09 AM After years of listening to the painful rhetoric from the ‘Christian’ right regarding the moral decline in this country, it is illuminating to observe their unflinching rationalization of Bush’s push to legitimize the use of torture on human beings (most of which are also denied due process).

It figures a lib would not know the difference between casual group sex and trying to prevent your family from being killed by a bunch of throat cutting savages.

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Am I to understand from your link that we aren’t even going to use the wedgie or the purple-nurple under the new interrogation plan?

President Bush ought to push forward a plan that says detainees have to read the lunacy of the liberals on this blog. As long as they weren’t smart enough to figure out they were allies it would break them in a heartbeat, but that really would be torture I guess.

By Brian Curtis

September 20, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this

Getalife: Our country is right where it always was… it’s just being held hostage by an occupying force that needs to be reminded who’s in charge.

Don’t give up on America—that’s exactly what the neocons want. Instead, remind them that they’re the traitors and we’re the patriots this November.

By You're Right, Where Is Osama?

September 20, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

By getalife September 20, 2006 09:08 AM Torture is not American. Where did my country go?

Maybe if we WERE torturing people I could understand the whining.

But right now, the outrage in the world is SHIITES ENCOURAGING CHILDREN and Al Qaeda slaughtering innocent CIVILIANS in Iraq, and I don’t hear a peep from the pinkos.

Do they approve of these things?

Where has America gone to?

By Gutless Republicans USE Troops

September 20, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - The dimming outlook for significant U.S. troop cuts in Iraq means the Pentagon may soon face a difficult and politically sensitive decision: either make more frequent call-ups of some National Guard and Reserve troops or expand still further the size of the active-duty Army, defense officials say.

You can bet your sweet a$$ that Republicans aren’t about to start sending their pampered little rich kids off to fight and get killed. Instead they will continue to USE existing poor enlistees in continuous rotation so they can gutlessly avoid any political confrontation.

By getalife

September 20, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

BC,

True, I will never give up on our country but have on the neocons.

Their blind hatred mindset is hopeless. You can’t reason with these people. They do not see the reality and obvious failures they have caused. They never admit they are wrong. They can’t correct their mistakes without admitting them. Hopeless.

By Why Can't We Be Friends

September 20, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

NEW YORK - The United States tried Tuesday to salvage its plan to punish Iran with sanctions if it won’t back down in a nuclear standoff with the West, even as President Bush told Iranians he hopes that one day “America and Iran can be good friends.”

Uh, oh! The Chimperor is thinking about making some new ‘FRIENDS’. Last time he did that we got IRAQ. Occupied countries make such bossom buddies, don’t they ! ? !

By Eric

September 20, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

It’s no surprise that our “Christianist” president wants to legitimize torture. He’s no different than the “Islamists” who torture their captives. He just puts a Christian spin on it. Why does he want to change the law anyway, he already ignores any law he disagrees with. Could it be that he’s just a tad concerned that when the dems take over the house he’ll be in deep criminal caca? I can’t wait for that. It’ll be a national holiday when that dimwitted moron ends up in jail.

By Randy

September 20, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

Get this through your head Mike, you moron.

America will always take the high road.

The enemy is trained to take the low road.

You liberals will always take the detour.

By Buy Danish

September 20, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

RW,

When I read about “sound and light manipulation” I think of ’60s discos with those horrible strobe lights that flashed on and off.

As a compromise, maybe they could use that strobe light technique, but instead of playing American music, they could play culturally acceptable Middle Eastern music or the recorded shrieks and wails of chest-beating Arab women..

By Who To Believe?

September 20, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

THE SHIITE MILITIAS ARE ENCOURAGING CHILDREN. What the F don’t you understand about this, you filthy mofo?

OR

Al-Sadr’s followers insist they are not organizing attacks by children. “Such behavior by Iraqi children is spontaneous and the natural reaction from innocent children who are witnessing horrible deeds committed by the occupation forces in Iraq,” Ali al-Yassiri, an aide to al-Sadr, told The Associated Press.

Who to believe, Islamofascists or Republicans? Islamofascists may be extremist kook barbarians but they genuinely don’t appear to LIE even a fraction as much as the Republican extremist kook barbarians ! ! ! Everytime you see a Republican open its’ filthy mouth be prepared to hear another pack of LIES. Republicans keep trying to ‘Fool ALL of the People ALL of the Time’ ! ! !

By Paul

September 20, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

Gutless Republicans USE Troops: have you ever checked the demographics of the US military, including their racial, economic, geographic and educational backgrounds? Yes, I could provide the information but I tire of doing other people’s research.

Readers have likely guessed it isn’t as portrayed and they’d likely be in for a few surprises.

Relying on data to form opinions is so frustrating!

By ALL of the People ALL of the Time

September 20, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats hoping to capture control of the U.S. Congress in this fall elections called on Tuesday for probes of the Bush administration’s Iraq rebuilding effort, which they likened to the government’s botched response to Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

Anybody wanna bet that Congressional Republicans keep this one on ice until after November? Republicans keep thinking that they can ‘Fool ALL of the People ALL of the Time’ ! ! !

By Buy Danish

September 20, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

Eric,

In case things don’t work out as you envision them on November 7th, I hope you have a big supply of anti-depressants handy, and the speed dial set to dial the nearest shrink.

And if being a “dimwitted moron” is enough to have criminal charges filed against someone, then you may also want to have a lawyer handy.

By getalife

September 20, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

BD,

Thanks to w, you do not have to be charged with a crime to be detained and tortured.

Just labeled a terrorist, like the gop calls voters.

BTW, you do not get a lawyer.

By US Military Demographics Checked

September 20, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this

have you ever checked the demographics of the US military, including their racial, economic, geographic and educational backgrounds? Yes, I could provide the information but I tire of doing other people’s research.

And tell us, Paul, have YOU ever checked the demographics of the US military, including their racial, economic, geographic and educational backgrounds? Anybody that thinks that grunts are not almost totally composed of low/middle income enlistees in this day and age has definitely NEVER served a tour ! ! !

New York Times March 30, 2003 Military Mirrors Working-Class America By DAVID M. HALBFINGER and STEVEN A. HOLMES

…As the United States engages in its first major land war in a decade, the soldiers, sailors, pilots and others who are risking, and now giving, their lives in Iraq represent a slice of a broad swath of American society - but by no means all of it.

Of the 28 servicemen killed so far, 20 were white, 5 black, 3 Hispanic - proportions that neatly mirror those of the military as a whole. But just one was from a well-to-do family, and with the exception of a Naval Academy alumnus, just one had graduated from an elite college or university.

When you hear a LYING Republiscum open it’s filthy mouth, be prepared to hear another pack of LIES ! ! ! When they say they have data but won’t produce it because….. just assume that they are LYING through their slimy moss covered teeth, AGAIN. Republicans continue to think that they can ‘Fool ALL of the People ALL of the Time’ ! ! !

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Maybe if we got them some gaudy chains and leisure suits they could put up with the flashing lights better.

Don’t hold your breath waiting for moonbat Eric to get out the anti-depressants when the Dems lose again. He’ll be too busy firebombing the Diebold offices.

gitmolife,

We sure do spend an awful lot of time and money shuttling lawyers back and forth to Club Gitmo for people that you claim don’t get lawyers. Hell they even use the legal envelopes to pass notes plotting attacks on our soldiers there.

By Paul

September 20, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

getalife: wasn’t this covered yesterday? Congress reauthorized the Patriot Act and “cleaned up” some of the more problematic areas. Courts will continue to review specific areas. Law distinguishes between US citizens and foreign persons. ACLU still has problems with the law but has not taken a single court action regarding specific violation of a citizen’s rights. The NSA Surveillance Program is a separate issue - suspected terrorist communications originating overseas. NSA is an analyis agency - does not have arrest, detention or interrogation authority.

New topic now or same song, same verse?

By Anti-Andy

September 20, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

“A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN”

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer’s medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some girly- man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation costs because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he’ll get a worker compensation or an unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn’t think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-mark

By Anti-Andy

September 20, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

et federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the country would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state-funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax- payer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers’ Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans.

The house didn’t have electricity until some big- government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberals made sure Dad could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn’t mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: “We don’t need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I’m a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of himself, just like I have.”-

By getalife

September 20, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

Things You Have to Believe to be a Republican

Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary. Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush’s daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a “we can’t find Bin Laden” diversion.

Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is Communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

A woman can’t be trusted with decisions about her own body but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches, while slashing veterans’ benefits and combat pay.

If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won’t have sex.

A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.

Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy, but providing health care to all Americans is socialism. HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

Global warming and tobacco’s link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.

A president lying about an extra-marital affair is an impeachable offense, but a president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

The public has a right to know about Hillary’s cattle trades, but GeorgeBush’s driving record is none of our business.

Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you’re a conservative radio host. Then it’s an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.

What Bill Clinton did in the 1960’s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the ‘80’s is irrelevant.

If you don’t send this to at least 10 other people, we’re likely to be stuck with more Republicans in 08, and remember: Friends don’t let friends vote Republican!

By Paul

September 20, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

US Military Demographics Checked: (yawn) - such a predictable response. Usually in a discussion, when a person states an allegation or premise and is asked for the facts that led to the statement, he provides the facts. Many in this forum seem to ask the responder to provide the facts, then insert a question regarding the responder’s personal background, as if this has some bearing on the topic.

Casualty rates to not mirror the general military population demographics (exposure to combat is generally by line Army/Marine units, some Air Force security forces. Bulk of AF/Navy personnel, by their very nature, are not exposed to combat conditions.

If you want to really have something to think about, not military background but currrent economic status, check the latest Congressional Accountability Office report on compensation, then compare those numbers (compensation value) to “educational and social” background.

By Buy Danish

September 20, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

The balls in your court.

We capture an al qaeda terrorist whom we think has plans to perform a massacre such as at Beslan.

What do we do?

Compassion is saving innocent people from dying, not whining about playing music too loudly in a cold room, or consuming yourself with worry that a Chechen terrorist doesn’t have access to an ACLU lawyer.

I’m going out now. I look forward to your solution to the realistic scenario I proposed when I return.

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

Well they can shut down the blog so that, God forbid, a rational discussion doesn’t break out at night, but unattributed spam is no problem whatsoever.

Later libs, you keep spamming while we campaign!

By getalife

September 20, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

BD,

Send all wingnuts to Gitmo, you are terrorizing my country.

By getalife

September 20, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

Pot to kettle

By anita

September 20, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

getalife, You Have Really Got The Right-Wing Nuts All Fired Up This Morning. You See They Can’t Follow Logic Or The Truth, It Confuses Them. The Sad Part Is They Are To Stubborn And Bullheaded “Like Their Leader”, To Listen. But Bless You For It Anyway. And I Will Send This To Ten In My Address Book.

Impeach Bush Now!!!!!!

By getalife

September 20, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

Thanks anita.

By US Military Demographics Revisited

September 20, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

Casualty rates to not mirror the general military population demographics….when a person states an allegation or premise and is asked for the facts that led to the statement, he provides the facts.

I see, Paul, so according to you, our US Military is actually a racially, economically, geographically and educationally representative sample of the American population in its’ entirety. Our nation then only sends the low/middle income enlistees into combat assignments in which they skew the ‘casualty rate’ off the normal statistical curve, then? Yeh, right. So why is it that low/middle income enlistees suffer the highest casualty rates since the military according to you is so demographically balanced otherwise ? ? ?

Would you mind enlightening everyone as to what ‘facts’ that you have provided? I think everyone missed it, I know I did.

Republican shills are shameless in their feeble attempts to ‘Fool ALL of the people ALL of the Time’, aren’t they ? ? ?

By China Rescues Republican Tallywhackers

September 20, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

LONDON (Reuters) - Surgeons in China who said they performed the first successful pen-is transplant had to remove the donated organ because of the severe psychological problems it caused to the recipient and his wife.

Don’t worry Republicans, your good buddies over in China are working overtime to solve your ‘smallest’ problems.

By Let's Spam!!

September 20, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

Saddam Tossed From Court After Arguing

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BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Saddam Hussein’s lawyers walked out of his trial Wednesday to protest the replacement of the chief judge, who had been accused of favoring the defense. The deposed leader also protested and was ordered to leave the courtroom.

Defense lawyers questioned the impartiality of the trial when the session began under Judge Mohammed Oreibi al-Khalifa in place of Abdullah al-Amiri, who was removed after he was accused of being too soft on the former Iraqi leader.

Al-Amiri told Saddam last week in court that “you were not a dictator,” and an aide to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said the judge’s comments were one reason for his replacement.

“The head of the court is requested to run and control the session, and he is not allowed to violate judicial regulations, ” Hussein al-Duri told Al-Arabiya television. “It is not allowed for the judge to express his opinion.”

When the session began Wednesday with al-Khalifa in charge, the defense lawyers questioned the impartiality of the trial.

“We don’t expect from this court established under the occupation authorities to be fair, so we decided to withdraw from this trial,” defense lawyer Wadoud Fawzi told the court, reading a statement on behalf of the defense team.

Saddam faces a possible death penalty if convicted on genocide charges over a military offensive against Iraqi Kurds in the 1980s.

Al-Khalifa said replacing the chief judge was an “administrative matter,” and that the court would appoint new counsel. Saddam said he wanted his lawyers to stay and protested against court-appointed counsel.

“This is our personal right,” Saddam shouted as he pointed his finger at the judge and pounded his fist on the podium. “You must deal with us as the law dictates.”

Al-Khalifa asked him to stop talking but Saddam refused, prompting

By Let's Spam!!

September 20, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

Dems do splits Showbizzers line up…for Arnold?

By GABRIEL SNYDER

Forget the war or the White House: No issue has divided Hollywood’s liberal activists like the upcoming California governor’s race between Arnold Schwarzenegger and Phil Angelides. Entertainment community donors who are normally slow to reach for their checkbooks for Republicans have been lining up behind Schwarzenegger’s re-election bid, much to the consternation of liberal activists loath to stray from the Democratic lineup.

The conservative Republicans who have sometimes clashed with Schwarzenegger have nowhere else to go in this November’s election, so the Schwarzenegger campaign has been laboring to make inroads in areas of support that a Democrat ought to consider the center of his base.

After all but ignoring Hollywood during his campaign to replace Gray Davis, Schwarzenegger has been reaching out to Hollywood liberals in his re-election effort. The latest bid for showbiz support (and checks) was Monday’s luncheon hosted by Sherry Lansing, CAA partner David O’Connor and Jerry Zucker at the Polo Lounge in Beverly Hills.

Before a crowd that included Sony chief Amy Pascal, Warner Bros.’ Alan Horn, power broker Skip Brittenham, thesp Dustin Hoffman and tenpercenters Jeff Berg and Bryan Lourd, Schwarzenegger pitched himself as an effective but nonpartisan executive while offering some self-deprecating charm.

“When I was an actor, I would have dreamed to speak to this kind of audience,” Schwarzenegger said. “I could have financed an entire slate of pictures.”

But the real point he wanted to emphasize was that, while most in the room may consider themselves Democrats, he’s on their side on issues like the environment, gay rights and hot-button topics like stem-cell research.

By Let's Spam!!

September 20, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

Lamont Calls Lieberman a ‘Turncoat’ Sep 19 6:18 PM US/Eastern

By DAVE COLLINS Associated Press Writer

HARTFORD, Conn.

Democrat Ned Lamont calls rival Sen. Joe Lieberman a “turncoat” in his latest ad. Not so, says the three-term Democratic lawmaker running as an independent, and he has some party support in Connecticut to prove it.

Lieberman welcomed the endorsements Tuesday from several local Democrats, including the mayors of the Connecticut cities of Norwich, West Haven and Waterbury. “This is part of a very encouraging trend that’s happening,” he said. “We now have a group of respected elected officials that are breaking away from Ned Lamont and are sticking with me.”

Last month, Lamont stunned Lieberman in the Democratic primary, seizing the party nomination from the incumbent with a campaign built on his anti-Iraq war message. Lieberman filed as an independent candidate to hold onto his seat while several local and national Democrats shifted allegiances to Lamont.

Lamont dismissed suggestions that Democrats remain torn between the two candidates.

“I don’t know if there is any rift,” Lamont said Tuesday, campaigning in Hamden, Conn. “I hear a couple of mayors or something are going their own way. That’s fine.”

Lamont received the endorsement of one of the state’s largest unions this week. The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, representing 35,000 Connecticut workers, announced it would switch its support from Lieberman to Lamont.

Lamont’s campaign is spending $93,000 this week on a series of statewide television ads that call Lieberman a “turncoat.” One ad suggests that Connecticut residents should wear their coats inside-out to protest Lieberman’s general election campaign.

Lamont predicted the ads will appeal to his base and undecided voters. “It was a humorous look at a guy that’s been a lifelong Democrat who overnight changed his stripes,” he said.

Ken Dautrich, public policy professor at the University of Connecticut, said it’s important for both candidates to campaign for Democratic votes, but added that unaffiliated voters will likely decide the race. Lamont won 52 percent of the Democratic vote in last month’s primary.

“I think that’s a pretty good ind

By Let's Spam!!

September 20, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

Bush, Iran Leader Spar Over Nuke Standoff

UNITED NATIONS (AP) - President Bush and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sparred over Tehran’s disputed nuclear program but managed to avoid a personal encounter as the 61st General Assembly got under way in the shadow of a military coup in Thailand.

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan stayed on message during an emotional farewell address Tuesday, appealing to the world to unite against human rights abuses, religious divisions, brutal conflicts and an unjust world economy.

Annan, who is to leave office on Dec. 31, also warned that the failure to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will continue to raise questions about the U.N.’s impartiality and stymie its efforts to resolve other conflicts, “including those in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

The Mideast peace process was taking the spotlight at the United Nations on Wednesday, with ministers from the Quartet that drafted the stalled “road map” peace plan - the U.S., the U.N., the European Union and Russia - planning to meet. The Security Council also was scheduled to hold a ministerial meeting Thursday that Arab leaders hope will help revive the Mideast peace process.

(AP) Seats for the United States delegation are empty as Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad addresses… Full Image

Jordan’s King Abdullah II said that until Israel ends its occupation of Palestinian lands and gives Palestinians their rights, the cycle of violence will continue in the region and its effects will be felt throughout the world.

“I come before you today with a deep sense of urgency,” Abdullah told the assembly. “Never has it been more important for the world community to act decisively for peace in my region.”

Bush tried to advance his campaign for democracy in the Middle East during his address to the General Assembly on Tuesday, saying extremists were trying to justify their violence by falsely claiming the U.S. is waging war on Islam. He singled out Iran and Syria as sponsors of terrorism.

By Paul

September 20, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

US Military Demographics Revisited: you’re doing it again. Rather than provide your source (RW the original at 10:22 provided source, personal attack notwithstanding)you ask me (again) to substantiate your position (fyi, the individual services compile that data, report on it, and it’s aggregated at the DoD level).

Not “according to you” - I rarely make absolute statements, specifically in reference to a large, diverse institution such as DoD. I understood your assertion was the rich Republican power structure would shield their children from combat roles, would use “poor” people for combat and not further use Guard/Reserve units. (“Republicans aren’t about to start sending their pampered little rich kids off to fight and get killed. Instead they will continue to USE existing poor enlistees in continuous rotation so they can gutlessly avoid any political confrontation”). I just asked you for sources.

I then disinguished between demographics of those who sustain casualties and those who don’t - with a couple of reasons why.

So what I see is shrill rhetoric that can’t be substantiated. Oh, well. But if you’d like to continue, you may want to check the reenlistment rates for Guard/Reserve units and ponder why they are as they are, particularly as many units have seen multiple Iraq/Afghanistan tours.

By getalife

September 20, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

“Dear world,

Please accept my apology for what American has become.

Like all great powers, we became complacient. We stopped paying attention when our leaders told us that they knew how to fix everything that was wrong with everything. We were scared by the attack on our shores, those of us who had thought ourselves immune to such violence. We stepped back and said, “Yes. Do what needs to be done.” We trusted where trust was not due.

Of those who bothered to vote, nearly one half voted, twice, to enthrone a very unsavory character, and his cabal of miscreants, as the new generation of protectors of our freedom.

That same half, still frightened and confused, wrapped in a miasma of religious fervor and self-righteous anger, is still blind to the evil being done in their name. They continue to trust our government in spite of repeated examples of childish anger, and incompetent performance of the Constitutional duties which they have sworn to perform.

We did not understand that the Congress of this United States would pass a mammoth legislative package called The Patriot Act, without reading it. That act curtailed our freedoms, and even our rights to protest their loss.

We did not understand that our President would sign legislation while at the same time adding a fillip that he didn’t have to carry out the laws which that legislation enshrined. This total violation of his sworn duties still leaves many of us numb with disbelief, but does not seem to matter to that half who still accept anything this government does.

We still don’t completely understand how an American government can think torture is a justifiable act if done in the name of some imaginary war with no end in sight. We have a very hard time believing that our government would do such a thing, in spite of mounting evidence of the brutality our legal, legislative, and executive branches would foster on a world that we have been taught looked to us to uphold the standard of human rights.

We have a number of serious issues to be resolved in the next few weeks. An election that may wrest power from the stupid, ignorant and unAmerican Congress that wants to turn us into a 3rd world economy and a dictatorship of the brutal. A major challenge to the torture policy by some in that Congress who seem to have recovered a sense of what a horrible road we have started down. A battle to keep a mad man fr

By Let's Spam!!

September 20, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

Laura Bush is a REAL woman!! Better than that bi-tch Hillary!!

Wednesday, Sept. 20, 2006 10:47 a.m. EDT Laura Bush: Release Prisoners in Myanmar

First lady Laura Bush on Tuesday called for Myanmar’s military rulers to release imprisoned pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi and urged the U.N. Security Council to issue a swift resolution condemning the junta.

“The United States will work very hard with other members of the Security Council to get a good resolution about Burma,” Mrs. Bush told a panel of diplomats and Myanmar experts on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly meeting of world leaders. “The sooner the better.”

The Security Council recently placed Myanmar, also known as Burma, on its agenda - something the United States has been pushing for, despite opposition from some of Myanmar’s neighbors.

“It’s really important for Burma’s neighbors to speak with one voice,” the first lady said. While the United States believes strong sanctions are the best way to force change in the country, others favor discussions with the generals.

U.S. officials also want the United Nations to call on Myanmar to release Suu Kyi, who has been in detention for much of the last 17 years. She is among some 1,100 political prisoners.

“We want to see what we can do - is there anything we can do to make sure she as well as all the other political prisoners are released,” Bush said of Suu Kyi.

The U.N. Security Council held a rare briefing last year on political and social deterioration in Myanmar, but U.S. lawmakers want more done. They argue that isolating the junta should not be solely an American effort and have urged pressure be ramped up from China, Thailand and India, which they criticize for their economic ties with Myanmar’s generals.

In August, President Bush approved a renewal of sanctions against Myanmar, extending for a year import restrictions.

Zaid Ibrahim, a member of Malaysia’s parliament and the head of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations’ Inter-Parliamentary Myanmar Caucus, said governments in the region are fed up with junta.

“The only way we can hope for real change is when this regime cracks,” Ibrahim said. “Pressure works, although some people question that.”

By Let's Spam!!

September 20, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

The Pope speaks of faith!!! The Muslims shoot women in the back!!!

Pope Hopes Words Will Spark Faith ‘Dialogue’

Pope Benedict XVI said Wednesday that he has “deep respect” for Islam, but he did not offer an apology demanded by some Muslim leaders offended by the pontiff’s remarks in Germany last week.

The pope acknowledged that his remarks were open to misinterpretation, but insisted he had not intended to endorse a negative view of Islam.

“I hope that in several occasions during the visit … my deep respect for great religions, in particular for Muslims - who worship the one God and with whom we are engaged in defending and promoting together social justice, moral values, peace and freedom for all men - has emerged clearly,” Benedict said during his weekly audience at the Vatican.

The pope said he hoped his words would spark a “positive, even self-critical dialogue both among religions and between modern reason and Christian faith.”

At the University of Regensburg last week, Benedict cited the words of a Byzantine emperor who characterized some of the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad as “evil and inhuman,” particularly “his command to spread by the sword the faith.”

“This quote unfortunately lent itself to be misunderstood,” the pontiff said Wednesday. “In no way did I wish to make my own the words of the medieval emperor. I wished to explain that not religion and violence, but religion and reason go together.”

On Sunday, Benedict said that he was “deeply sorry” about the reactions to his remarks and that they did not reflect his own opinions. But not all in the Islamic world were satisfied by Benedict’s statement of regret.

The grand sheik of Cairo’s Al-Azhar Mosque, the Sunni Arab world’s most powerful institution, demanded that Benedict apologize more clearly.

“The pope has to apologize frankly and justify what he said,” Grand Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi told papal and Egyptian Catholic representatives on Tuesday.

Before Wednesday’s weekly audience at the Vatican, the pontiff, riding in an open jeep, waved to the crowd in a tightly guarded St. Peter’s Square. At the end, the pontiff remained in the piazza to be greeted by some of the faithful.

By Let's Spam!!

September 20, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

Liberals, bad for business!!! Al Gore causes stock prices to drop like a rock!!!!!

Al Gore’s Current TV Teams Up with Yahoo!

Al Gore’s Current TV is going into partnership with Yahoo, Inc. to create four new broadband channels that debuted on Wednesday with a video made by Bono during U2’s last concert tour.

Like the Current TV network that the former vice president created with Joel Hyatt, the new broadband channels will focus on disseminating video created by young viewers.

“We expect this will be the premier video online experience,” Gore told The Associated Press.

One of the four channels, Yahoo! Current Buzz, is being produced by Madeleine Smithberg, co-creator of “The Daily Show,” and will “showcase the best of what’s buzzing the world and the Web,” the companies said.

The other channels will focus on action sports news, automotives and adventure traveling. The latter is where Bono’s video _ mostly about experiences with fellow band member The Edge _ is being featured. Yahoo was attracted to Current because it shares the goal of giving young people a voice on the Web, said Dan Rosensweig, Yahoo’s chief operating officer.

The four channels are separate and distinct from Current’s TV network, Gore said. But with Current only available now in 30 million of the nation’s 110 million homes with televisions, the deal promises to greatly increase the visibility of its content.

“The distribution reach and community of online viewers that Yahoo serves gives an unparalleled opportunity to connect the online video experience, including video-related content, with a mass audience,” Gore said.

The best user-created videos on the Yahoo! Current Network will be featured on Current TV each Monday afternoon.

By Let's Spam!!

September 20, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

Pinkos turning on pinkos!!!!! Even Ralph hates that bit-ch!!!!

Ralph Nader Attacks Hillary

Consumer activist Ralph Nader, not ruling out a fourth run for president himself, said Tuesday that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton was already running for the White House and could face Sen. John McCain in the 2008 election.

“If she is a candidate in the Democratic primary with three other white men, she is going to win the primary,” Nader said during a campaign stop in Albany in which he endorsed Clinton’s Green Party challenger, Howie Hawkins, in this year’s New York Senate race. “Then, it’s down to her versus McCain.”

Nader, the Green Party’s presidential candidate in 2000, said he wasn’t sure who would win a Clinton-McCain showdown.

The three-time losing presidential contender said he would probably decide by the middle of next year whether to make another third-party run, but had no doubt about Clinton’s intentions.

“They are already planning her campaign,” Nader said. “There is no doubt in the world. You couldn’t get any odds in Las Vegas on this.” Nader complained that Clinton had sold out to corporate interests in pursuit of campaign contributions and political power.

“She’s become a profound corporate Democrat marching arm in arm with major corporate lobbyists toward the White House instead of representing the people’s interests,” Nader said.

Clinton campaign adviser Howard Wolfson declined to comment on Nader’s remarks.

Meanwhile, the anti-Iraq war activist who was crushed by Clinton in last week’s Democratic Senate primary said Tuesday he would not support her re-election bid and called on his supporters to vote against her.

By Off the Chain

September 20, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

Let’s Spam!!

^^^Republicans are off the chain again. They’re so cute when they go off the deep end. Kinda like a nest of itty bitty baby rattlesnakes. Goo, goo, daa, daa, hissss, hissss.

Next they’ll fall back on their favorite pastime, jacking names. They’ll have to find their reading glasses in order to jack their weiners, though.

By getalife

September 20, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

” A battle to keep a mad man from attacking yet another country that refuses to accept the dictates of an international control freak who uses fear and ignorance to brow beat a public which has yet to understand what is being done in their name.

Wish us well. None of us living have had to confront these issues on our own shores before. We are not good at disbelieving our government. Not because we are docile, but because we have been trained to think democracy could control our leaders. We are having a very difficult time accepting how very wrong things have gone.

Half of us still believe in the dream of freedom, respect for all peoples, and peace through diplomacy. We are working hard to convince the other half that things are off the rails.

In the meantime, know that there are still Americans who abhor what the Bush regime has done, and still plans to do, and we will do everything in our power to stop them.

A Sorrowful Citizen.”

By Midori

September 20, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

off the chain,

you are 100 percent correct.

these idiots should be kept in a cellar.

seems certain individuals are intent on disrupting this blog, come hell or high water

By Truthman

September 20, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

Hugo Chavez is addressing the U.N. right now.

Man, is he right-on about the Pax Americana Bush regime trying to remake the world into a neo-conman Christianist theocracy!!

Go Hugo Go!!

No, I don’t support Syria, but I do know truth when I hear it…That’s why I’m “Truthman!!”

By Let's Spam!!

September 20, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

By Midori

September 20, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

off the chain,

you are 100 percent correct.

these idiots should be kept in a cellar.

seems certain individuals are intent on disrupting this blog, come hell or high water

By getalife

September 20, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

Things You Have to Believe to be a Republican

Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary. Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush’s daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a “we can’t find Bin Laden” diversion.

Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is Communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

A woman can’t be trusted with decisions about her own body but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches, while slashing veterans’ benefits and combat pay.

If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won’t have sex.

A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.

Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy, but providing health care to all Americans is socialism. HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

Global warming and tobacco’s link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.

A president lying about an extra-marital affair is an impeachable offense, but a president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

The public has a right to know about Hillary’s cattle trades, but GeorgeBush’s driving record is none of our business.

Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you’re a conservative radio host. Then it’s an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.

What Bill Clinton did in the 1960’s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in

By Let's Spam!!

September 20, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

By Midori

September 20, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

off the chain,

you are 100 percent correct.

these idiots should be kept in a cellar.

By Anti-Andy

September 20, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

“A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN”

Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.

All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer’s medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.

He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some girly- man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.

Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air.

He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation costs because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union.

If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he’ll get a worker compensation or an unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn’t think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is fed

By Let's Spam!!

September 20, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

By Midori

September 20, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

off the chain,

you are 100 percent correct.

these idiots should be kept in a cellar.

seems certain individuals are intent on disrupting this blog, come hell or high water

By Anti-Andy

September 20, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

et federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the country would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state-funded university.

Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax- payer funded roads.

He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers’ Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans.

The house didn’t have electricity until some big- government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification.

He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberals made sure Dad could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to.

Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn’t mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: “We don’t need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I’m a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of himself, just like I have.”-

By Truthman

September 20, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Jorge Bush esta el Diablo, Si!!!

Claro, Hugo Chavez!!

By To the Blog Moderator

September 20, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

^^^Sorry guy we made the Republipukes (Let’s Spam) go off the deep end again, looks like you gotta lotta Republishiite to clean up ! ! !

By bon scott

September 20, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

I bet you a brazillion dollars that Let’s Spam is Andy. Naturally, his defenders (Reactionary Wanker, Crusader Copenhagen) will either deny it, or claim that the Spammer is exercising free speech.

Any takers?

By Huge

September 20, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

“Pinkos turning on pinkos!!!!! Even Ralph hates that bit-ch!!!!”

Just because your life is completely dominated with hate, doesn’t mean everyone else’s is, fool.

If you knew anything about the subject at all, you’d know Nader has castigated Hillary and other dems countless times and as much as he’s shown the lunacy and corruption of the gop for the past 10 years. And you act like it’s news!

He’s been the only candidate with both the balls and the lack of PACs, corporate shills, lobbyists, etc. to speak out against the sleaziness of politics in DC. You, and many others, don’t care, I know. You like it sleazy.

By getalife

September 20, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

They can’t handle the truth!

By You're Right, Where Is Osama?

September 20, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

Does this page view differently to pinkos than it does to Conservatives?

I hear what the libs are saying but when I look^^^ and see, the spam starts at 10:12 with some borderline sh-it before that.

And it dam-n sure wasn’t posted by Andy.

What a bunch of lying pieces of sh-it.

Too stupid to realize that it is there for all to see.

Or too stupid to find it.

Which one is it, dumnas-ses?

By bon scott

September 20, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

By Let’s Spam!! - September 20, 2006 11:43 AM - these idiots should be kept in a cellar. seems certain individuals are intent on disrupting this blog, come hell or high water

^^^this has Andy’s alcoholic fingers all over it. He even forgot to change his name before dissing what he’d just done. Somebody interrupts his rants with facts and logic and before you can say Smirnoff’s, off he goes!

Drink all you want, Andy… but please stay away from the keyboard and for God’s sake don’t drive.

By Republican Baby Killers

September 20, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

INDIANAPOLIS - A third premature infant has died after being accidentally given an adult-sized dose of a blood thinner medication at a hospital last week.

Since the Republiscums have capped damage awards, it’s cheaper for healthcare providers to just pay the minimal damage awards now rather than fix the problems resulting in infant deaths. 1, 2, & 3 infants down this week, while number 4 is on the way. Republicans supposedly claim to protect unborn babies. It must be only the born ones that they just don’t give a damn about ! ! !

By Malcolm

September 20, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

Mike, I’ll bet you hoped this frisbee would fly didn’t you. The majority of americans can’t abide undermining the safety of our troops. Liberals lose again. McCain looked too much like a liberal. He hurt his chances in 2008.

By Dusty

September 20, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

To the DNC Propaganda Committee meeting here today:

Would you please take your repertoire of retreat, misinformation, false accusations and name calling somewhere else? There is no need to try for a discussion.

Take “Who to believe?” at 9.42am. He posts that he believes extremist kook barbarians “DON’T appear to LIE even a fraction as much as the Republican extremist kook barbarians”. In other words, he believes terrorists are more honest than his fellow Americans. (And obviously he likes the terrorists better.)

And this creature is supposed to be supporting our country? He is but one sample of what is being posted here today.

Next we will see quotes from Thomas Jefferson about dissent. But Jefferson never turned against his country. Many posters here today are doing just that.

By Republican Secrets

September 20, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - Senators on an intelligence panel are seeking to declassify more information from two Senate reports on prewar intelligence on Iraq, saying too much was kept secret.

If this information was complimentary to Republicans they would be trumpeting it from the rooftops and they wouldn’t give a damn about any national security issues (Plamegate). Don’t it make you wonder what else they are HIDING and LYING about ? ? ?

By Brian Curtis

September 20, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

Thankfully, Dusty doesn’t get to decide what forms of dissent are allowable and which are “treasonous”—because the desire to do so is the most un-American attitude of all.

Too bad you’ll never understand what real patriotism is, Dusty. Hint: It’s not fawning subservience to whatever Gee Dubya decides is best for you.

By getalife

September 20, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

Malcolm,

Supporting the troops not getting tortured hurt his chances in 08 shows how insane the wingnuts really are.

Thanks for helping the libs get elected to stop the insanity.

By getalife

September 20, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Keep posting man, you are the number one reason not to vote gop.

Thanks for allowing accountability in government.

Post on insane Andy.

By J. Goebbels

September 20, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Dusty, Keep up the good work, my little liebchen. Those depraved liberal Americans will soon be eating at our trough of fascism!

By Edwin Williams

September 20, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

In reply to ‘Lord Help Us’, the LEFT is IMMORAL. Bush is talking about interrogating terrorists, not ripping fully formed feti from their mothers’ wombs at 8 or 9 months after conception and calling it just a choice. Aggressive questioning of TERRORISTS can hardly be considered immoral. After all these people made a choice to bomb, shoot, or otherwise terrorize innocent people. Gee whiz, get a grip!

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

If anyone cares about the real story on cartoon boy’s topic today click here

bonnie-bigot,

That phrase “brazillion dollars” is pretty washed up from your days as finch, why don’t you leave it behind when you go to your next incarnation.

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

It looks like the crazed lib spammers have been busy this morning. The polls showing you guys going down in flames must be getting to you. You really should take my advice and quit paying attention to polls. Furthermore, if any of you had any sense you would start condemning Chavez’ comments before he takes you into oblivion with him. I’m sure you can fool a few people into thinking you’re sincere.

By Samuel E.

September 20, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

Mike - I’m moving backwards like a liberal today and I see your cohorts have decided to use a new tactic. Shove spam down the throats of conservatives to shut them up.

You see. I was right yesterday. They’re irrate and want only to shut people up. They’re so recognizable. Empty brains & big mouths.

By Midori

September 20, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

All of these people rationalizing and endorsing torture is telling.

Indeed.

And they are all on the “right”.

Telling.

Indeed.

By Allaina

September 20, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

Mr. Luckovich, I’m glad there was compromise on this issue of torture. I only get to read after hours because of my job, but it just couldn’t understand why Senator McCain would restrict our ability to protect our citizens and soldiers. You have to be able to get information. The tactics we employ can’t even be compared to what our enemies are capable of.

The reasonable minds prevailed in Washington. That’s good for our country.

By Dusty

September 20, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

Oh Herr Gobbels,

You have thanked the wrong liebchen for their arduous duties. Herr Curtis is your favorite who spreads the good news of undermining countries, ‘specially his own.

Your munchen style is somewhat reminiscent of herr Capitan Freefelt but surely not. Since swastikas went out of style, he has reverted to bohemian bowties and coffee houses not beer halls and sauerbraten.

But I specken with criminals no more, Herr Goebbels. You must return to your bunker as my itchy finger is on my AK47.

By getalife

September 20, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

Allaina,

That is a “pot to kettle” argument but thanks for pointing out how insane a compromise on torture really is.

By Lord Help Us

September 20, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

Yup, the pro-gun, pro-tobacco, pro-war, pro-torture, pro-polluter, anti-healthcare party that is against raising the minimum wage above $5.15 an hour, against helping the underprivileged and intent on bankrupting the country in the process represent the ‘moral’ voters in this country.

But, hey, they’re against abortion…

Jesus must be so proud…

By getalife

September 20, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

Crusty the clown speaks Nazi like it is her normal language.

Go figure.

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

Midori the squawking parrot,

Are you just going to keep squawking “torture” or are you going to get around to providing any factual backup for your claim?

By getalife

September 20, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

Nice spam rant Sammie.

By Cal

September 20, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

Is there any chance we could get you and your liberal friends to line up for torture Mike?

I’d welcome the opportunity to show them what kind of torture our soldiers would have to go through at the hands of the enemy. Maybe they could gain some perspective. Probably not though since they’re liberals.

A liberal’s perspective is hate Bush, hate the country they live in, hate capitalism, hate our military prowess, give aide and comfort to the enemy.

Ugly warts on America.

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

getaclue,

How about you? Any facts or does the ventriloquist parrot have a wing up your a-ss making you speak for her?

By just checking?

September 20, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

For anyone who can answer:

This “aggressive interogation” is OK as long as our enemies are more “aggressive” than we are?

Did I miss a leap somewhere where America decided it only has to be “not as horrible” to be good enough?

By Lord Help Us

September 20, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

Am I getting this???

Are the wingnut shills simply satisfied that the US official policy on torture is ‘not as bad as what the terrorists do’

Great!

Osama Bin Laden is ‘attributed’ with a statement concerning the importance of the war in Iraq…SO, Bush now trumpets the war in Iraq as WW3.

The terrorists torture…SO, Bush says we need to torture.

Who is LEADING and who is FOLLOWING here?

It’s The Competence, STUPID!!!!

By You're Right, Where Is Osama?

September 20, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

YANKEE IMPERIALISTS GO HOME… Maybe we need to move the United Nations out of USA’

Yes! Don’t let the door hit you in the a-ss!

Give us all of our money back!

By getalife

September 20, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Yes RW,

Please stop the gop from stealing Social Security too

Thank you for your support.

By getalife

September 20, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

Nice threat Cal,

Thanks for showing the hatred towards Americans to vote out the same mindset from the gop.

Thank you for your support.

By Buy Danish

September 20, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

Just checking?,

Is this what you’re squawking about?

[Revealed: the tough interrogation techniques the CIA wants to use] (http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1874823,00.html)

Would this be okay with you?

“Head on. Apply directly to the forehead. Head on Apply directly to the forehead. Head on Apply directly to the forehead….”

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

By just checking? September 20, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this For anyone who can answer: This “aggressive interogation” is OK as long as our enemies are more “aggressive” than we are? Did I miss a leap somewhere where America decided it only has to be “not as horrible” to be good enough?

Your description sounds as if you think we only cut one of their testicles out before shoving it halfway down their throat and cutting half their head off. The reality is we coddle them at our own peril.

I bet you’ll be the first one screaming that Bush didn’t do enough to stop the next attack though.

By Midori

September 20, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

I knew you would come back with something completely stupid, RW.

I told you about your projection.

You are the biggest, lamest, most partisan slimebag on the blog, who has the gall to call someone a “parrot”, when in essence all you do is parrot Rush the Pill Popper and Bush the Feces Thrower.

Then you and your drunk buddy Andy spam the board, but want to deflect attention by claiming that it’s the liberals.

Facts, or the lack of anything factual, never stopped you from providing an observation, you cheerleading scumbag. Why should it be different for anyone else?

RW, the original Bush Boot Licker.

How does his sperm taste?

By Midori

September 20, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

God, I wish Andy would stop posting drunk.

I’ll bet he and RW have a still going on Andy’s back porch.

You can tell when they’ve been out “tasting” their product.

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

By Lord Help Us September 20, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this Am I getting this???

No, you’re a clueless a-sshat. Thanks for playing.

By Buy Danish

September 20, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

RW,

Only a lib like getalife would define being able to put aside a miniscule portion of your own money to save for your own retirement as “STEALING”.

He must be a real Noam Chomsky fan.

By Dirk

September 20, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

Wow! 7,998 cartoons in a row without criticism of a non-Repubplican or non-conservative!

That Mikey sure is a straight shooter. He is no partisan hack!

8,000 cartoons should cover the entire Clinton administration. Do you think Mr. Luckovich never once made a crack about Monica Lewinsky? If you wish to criticize people for partisan hacks, say things that are factual so you do not appear like a hack yourself.

If you read the article attached to the cartoon, it should be clear that Mr. Luckovich is openly a Democrat- you can’t get much more open than his quote “my party”. What you interpret as partisan bias, try to think of as having principles that don’t happen to be the same as yours. Read his insightful cartoons for what they are- an intelligent, funny voice from the other side of the aisle, which you probably generally disagree with. Roast him when he is wrong, listen when you think he might be right. But I wouldn’t try to “get him” by accusing him of being a mouthpiece of the liberal agenda, because he’d only agree with you and go about his business.

By Midori

September 20, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

How the HELL does torturing innocent people constitute not doing enough to protect America?

Exactly WHAT has Bush done to protect America?

Ignore a warning the Bin Laden is going to strike by going on vacation?

Try to put our port security in Dubai’s hands?

Invade countries that have NOTHING to do with 9/11?

Lie, lie, and lie some more about non existent WMD?

Give slurred, drunken speeches about “spreading democracy”?

The only thing Bush is protecting is his cronies. And you wingnuts are so gullible and stupid, as if he gave a flying leap about you.

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

Midori,

I thought I was getting everything from my super secret Republican talking points memo that gets couriered over each day.

Buy Danish,

That head on, apply directly to the forhead…..over and over really might be torture.

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

It’s always amazing to me how the libs define you keeping your own money as stealing from them. It’s no wonder they believe all the cr-ap Midori just posted at 1:52.

By just checking?

September 20, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

No it’s not ok… Sleep deprivation, one of the “aggressive interrogation” techniques you seem so willing to use are flat out torture. Moreover, a person experiencing extreme sleep deprivation is, more likely than not, going to be hallucinating, paranoid, and generally psychotic; therefore, even if you get “information” from this person, it is highly likely to be … umm … less than reliable. Induced hypothermia: are you aware that hypothermia affects all organ systems including cardiovascular systems. It would also contribute to a state of paranoia and possible hallucinations. These are the conditions you think are ideal for obtaining reliable information and you think it’s OK, because it’s not as horrible as what – beating the confession out of a person? Long Standing: you realize of course that a human body is not designed to support its weight on its feet for 20+ hours a day for prolonged periods. It causes swelling and degrades the cardiovascular system. But that’s OK, because we don’t really care if what they say is true or helpful, as long as we can point to it to show how much we are doing to prevent terrorist attacks…. And it’s not as bad as the terrorist. In essence, you are saying it’s ok for us to abuse people to the point that they will say whatever, true or false, to make us stop. As long as it’s less horrible than what you think al Qaeda would do….

Splendid. Now we just have to be less horrible than a terrorist. What a low standard.

By just checking?

September 20, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

actually, RW, when the terrorists attack us again (and they will) I will be screaming because instead of doing something productive like improving border security, securing our refineries, power plants and points of entry or focusing on capturing the leaders of Al Qaeda (can you say Osama), Bush and the gang was busy trying to get people to agree that Americans should be allowed to torture people. Becasue we aren’t as bad as the terrorist.

By Lord Help Us

September 20, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

RW-(Crispy), You appear to be unraveling and your postings are suddenly more and more resemblng those of the drunken, deranged moron…

Are we getting to you?

By Buy Danish

September 20, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

EEEEEEEEW. I infer from the 1:42 that the psychotic parrot is kept in a cage by a moonbat deviant with Tourette’s Syndrome.

RW,

I think those Head On ads ARE torture. The International Red Cross must have filed a complaint because I haven’t seen (or worse, heard) them lately.

Here is the version I recommend for the McCain/Bush compromise.

By Buy Danish

September 20, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

Just Checking,

What do YOU suggest we do to get information about imminent threats of mass IslamoCide?

I asked Team Getalife a similar question, and have been met with deafening silence, punctuated only by the inchoherent SQUAWKS of one really sick parrot.

If silence is deafening, isn’t that torture?

By Paul

September 20, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

Just heard that tonight’s (Wednesday’s) O’Reilly factor is going to have a “surprise” guest with credentials to address the question: does coerced interrogation work? Guess they’ll distinguish between torture and coerced. Should be interesting.

Oh, and please please restrain yourselves and forgo the “OReilly’s a !##$!” and “FoxNews is !##$” space-fillers. I’m more interested in the message than the messenger. BTW - that’s where I caught Kerry in what I thought was his most indepth post-election interview wherein he told O’Reilly “You’ve always treated me fairly” and “It was a mistake to not come on your show before the election.”

Wait, I forgot - according to some I’ve read here Kerry’s a neocon…

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

LHU,

Just checking, just said we should build fortress America and hide from the rest of the world and you call me unraveling? Jeez…

By Samuel E.

September 20, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

Did 2:11 just admit to being a tortured soul?

“Moreover, a person experiencing extreme sleep deprivation is, more likely than not, going to be hallucinating, paranoid, and generally psychotic”

“But that’s OK, because we don’t really care if what they say is true or helpful”

Conservatives care, that’s why they’re here fighting you libs everyday.

Maybe liberals need more sleep. They’re tortured souls.

By Reality check

September 20, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

The neocons are fine-tuning the art of the double standard!! Michelle Malkin, a big fan of torture who sees a terrorist in every US mosque, and who is absolutely BELOVED by the wingnuts here (RW, BD, the drunk) is up in arms because Indonesia has condemned 3 Christian extremists for mowing down hundreds of Muslims! Seems Michelle thinks the Christians WEREN’T GIVEN DUE PROCESS… among other “miscarriages of justice.”

the irony is juuuust EXQUISITE!!

I thought (from having read Michelle’s blog) that people who were concerned about due process for Terrorists are themselves pro-terrorists. I wonder what it is about this case that makes Michelle so concerned for the Rights of Terrorists when normally they mock those who express such concern? What’s different here? Do Malkin and her comrades want to protect terrorists more than innocent people? Sure seems that way. And just look at how brutal and inhumane Muslims are — convicting people of terrorism despite evidentiary irregularities in their trial.

Of course, if Indonesia would only do what the Bush administration does — which is imprison people without giving them any trial or process at all, as Michelle gleefully celebrates — then they wouldn’t have to worry about all this hand-wringing from the terrorist rights crowd over “trial irregularities.”

Fans of the sadistically illogical will reap more laughs by clicking into the above excerpts, and going to the links in the essay.

Breathe deep. SMELL the hypocricy!!

By Lord Help Us

September 20, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

BD, you are the most narrow-minded of humans and absolute confirmation of my assumptions about the igorance of the ditto-head masses.

You see, by torturing human beings and/or imprisoning human beings without due process we become what we fear most…essentially, we become terrorists ourselves.

Now do you get it?

By Buy Danish

September 20, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

Okay, I have another form of torture. Right now I’m on hold with my dental insurance provider and they are playing really bad ice-skating music.

This would be PERFECT for renditioned detainees, all the more so because it is even worse torture to play skating music to prisoners who can’t go skating!

By Lord Help Us

September 20, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

BD,

Is something wrong with your tooth?

By getalife

September 20, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Sammie,

Cons have no souls.

By Buy Danish

September 20, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

RW,

Do you get the sense that “reality check” IS finch’s latest incarnation or just another squawking parrot?

Samuel E,

Great comments.

LHU,

What don’t YOU get about preventing mass murder by garnering intelligence? Do you think praying for help to your Lord and maybe crossing your fingers will prevent further deaths?

Maybe that’s what you want.

By Buy Danish

September 20, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

LHU,

I don’t know about you, but if I had a toothache I would call my DENTIST not my insurance company.

Knowing you libs, you’d call a LAWYER and file a lawsuit.

Freaking idiot.

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

That link at 2:21 definitely has to be ruled a violation. That commercial still plays constantly on my TV so the International Red Cross hasn’t gotten to me yet.

Hugo’s book of the month club.

By just checking?

September 20, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

Buy Dane — not fortress America, you moron, simple security measures that make sense. Like, I dunno … looking for bombs in port containers or maybe checking security standards for refineries… that’s terribly isolationist and UnAmerican, it’s much more important to torture people… and more fun too!

RW, I submit to you that our police forces do a pretty good job of obtaining information from suspects without torture. Not every form of interogation must include torture techniques like you describe. Isolation, psychological interogation (you know — good cop bad cop) these techniques can work. BTW, one last comment, then I have to log off a while, Bush and Co. doesn’t want to follow the laws, both American and international, just like the dictators and terrorist regimes of extremist nations. I have to agree with LHU, we are in real danger of becoming the thing we most dislike — a nation outside the community of nations. What we do in this world matters and we are judged in the world by our actions, not our intent (noble or otherwise)

By Midori

September 20, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

Conservatives care, that’s why they’re here fighting you libs everyday.

Care about what? Spamming this blog with wing nut nonsense?

Maggot.

By Midori

September 20, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

Like Bush v Gore?

“Knowing you libs, you’d call a LAWYER and file a lawsuit.”

Got democracy?

By J. Goebbels

September 20, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

No, no, no, my little liebgelung Dusty! It is you that is most suited to our needs. I know of no Herr Curtis. But you, as a daughter of aryan blood who has a great passion for killing the enemy liberal Americans, you are THE ONE. We will tell you what to think and you will simply say it over and over again. This is particularly effective.

I know that you too hate him, but never speak of Jefferson again. It riles up these freedom loving Amerikaners too much! Have no fear, my sweet faschistish, all will soon be ours.

By RE

September 20, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

I do not think many people here would have much of a problem with torturing a terrorist. The problem is that people make mistakes, how many innocent people being tortured is allowable? The reason that our justice system is founded upon a presumption of innocence (except with the IRS) is so that punishment is not meted out prior to trial and conviction. This is a high standard to keep, and as a free country, we are sometimes in danger because of those very freedoms. So the choice becomes moving to a less free society in order to protect it, or living with a threat while ensuring your liberties are protected. I would rather live with a threat than change the basic rights we have come to expect. The question is, how many innocent people should be allowed to be tortured in the hope that one of them is an actual terrorist?

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

finch usually doesn’t pimp someone’s blog. He’s too “intellectual” dontchaknow. It might be him taking our advice and practicing since he hates Michelle Malkin with an unnatural seething rage.

Come to think of it, all the liberal girly men around here have a seething rage for females.

Does anyone care to explain how Jim McGreevy (D-NJ) believes that his trolling the truckstops for gay love was his parents fault for not being gay? How does that one work exactly?

By J. Goebbels

September 20, 2006 03:26 PM | Link to this

Samuel E. Are you the untermenschen actor? Normally, of course, I would just have you killed, but your writing intrigues me. Perhaps you would be willing to assist my little butterblume, Dusty, no?

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Just checking?

Saying Bush doesn’t want to follow the law is nothing but a bumper sticker political attack. When you come back bring some evidence.

Calling Buy Danish a moron because I said you wanted fortress America is a little weird too.

By Buy Danish

September 20, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

RW,

McGreevy must wish he was never born.

As for finch, knowing his seething hatred for MM is exactly why I thought the Michelle Malkin link was his.

Midori,

That lawsuit wasn’t over a toothache that could be blamed on Big Candy, but sqwawk on.

Just checking,

Is it the Red Hot Chili Peppers that bothers you? What exactly do you want eliminated from the list?

I’ll check back later.

By You're Right, Where Is Osama?

September 20, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

By Buy Danish September 20, 2006 03:06 PM RW, Do you get the sense that “reality check” IS finch’s latest incarnation or just another squawking parrot?

Danish: It’s a another creation of bonnie hitler’s, the “Saudi Sanitizer,” she’s trying to bait me into saying something in response to her insanity. No thanks.

I can spot this tosser from a mile away.

Hey finchie, drink this.

By You're Right, Where Is Osama?

September 20, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

By just checking? September 20, 2006 03:18 PM I have to agree with LHU,

That’s strike one.

we are in real danger of becoming the thing we most dislike — a nation outside the community of nations.

Come on man, be serious. Who you want to be like, France? Starving little kids in Iraq so you can make billions off of the oil?

No army, no air force, just hanging out on Europe’s dole until Germany invades you again?

And you have to be rescued?

What a stroke.

This has to be LHU shilling for herself.

By finch

September 20, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

and Im here to frighten the beejeezsus outta you! hoooohaahaaaahaaahaahahaha!

Actually, I just jacked the name so I can watch you wingnutz jump and bounce.

“Wazit really finch? No, a poser! Maybe finch posing as a poser?? His clone! ohlawdie run and hiiiiideeee! No wait, lets waste time mindlessly speculating!! And SPAMMING!! We can distract them with spamming!”

Priceless.

By Collin

September 20, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

Luckovich a liberal prick like you probably doesn’t go to the doctor much. I’ll bet you faint when they prep your finger with alcohol don’t you?

Torture, right?

How can you stand walking around in your own skin? Keep up the liberal bull$hit and maybe the AlQaeda types can separate you from your miserable hide.

By Midori

September 20, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

now I know why Buy Danish and the resident right wing whackos are so consumed with parrots: ummmmmm.. It’s what’s for dinner.

Those tax cuts aren’t working out too well, are they?

By Midori

September 20, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

BD,

want to publish your recipe for parrot spam?

I’m quite sure the others are eagerly awaiting — it’s almost dinnertime.

By RE

September 20, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

anyone here think it is ok to torture someone who is not a terrorist?

By Midori

September 20, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

RE,

Collin may want to weigh in on that….

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

RE,

Nobody here says it’s OK to torture actual terrorists either. It’s the definition of torture we disagree on.

Midori,

Lunatic parrot, tax revenues are up 20% over last year. Sounds like tax cuts work pretty darn well to me.

By Match Maker

September 20, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

How many of you would let your child marry a creature that communicates like this…

“Luckovich a liberal prick like you probably doesn’t go to the doctor much. I’ll bet you faint when they prep your finger with alcohol don’t you?

Torture, right?

How can you stand walking around in your own skin? Keep up the liberal bull$hit and maybe the AlQaeda types can separate you from your miserable hide.”

Somebodies mama and papa probably tried to much and too often to knock a little sense into that little head.

As far as the chicken feces comment goes, I suspect it’s not commenting from Baghdad.

By Midori

September 20, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this

RW, the original gasbag,

if that is true, and if you are doing so well, why are you reduced to eating exotic birds?

Inquiring minds want to know…….

Is your mouth bigger than your bank account?

I understand.

You just want to appear “big” before your fellow morons.

Hat tip: cockroaches are just chock full of protein.

Now after you’re done playing with them, you can stir fry them along with some parrot feathers.

Mmmmmmmm, MMMM!!!!

By getalife

September 20, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

“finchphobia” still running rampant on this blog.

Wingnuts, he kicked your a-ss, let it go and move on.

I see “colon” is leaking again.

By RE

September 20, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

ok, waterboarding, slapping, holding without trial or access to an attorney, sleep deprivation.

Are those things ok to do to an innocent person?

By Midori

September 20, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

One of the “techniques” employed by US female interrogators is to smear menstrual blood on the bodies of bound and chained detainees.

I suppose that needs a definition, too, huh?

it’s amazing to me how you latch onto Bush’s nonsense and run blindly with it.

you are a complete and utter fool.

complete and utterly blind and pathetic fool.

By getalife

September 20, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

This is how the CIA tortures, the rest is bs

By Midori

September 20, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

LOL,

Isn’t it funny Getalife, how they see parrots and Finch behind every corner, nook, cranny and new poster?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Perhaps RW was a pirate in a prior life? And Buy Danish was his wooden leg?

By Dusty

September 20, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

Ah Herr Gobbler,

Return to the Reichstag, Herr Gobbler. I have been polishing my AK47 and missed your words of studious white flag retreat and saucy sauerkraut.

I am the favored fraulein of Viking redeemers who blasted their way into Scotland with bagpipes blaring. Ah those great scribes of the Bill of Rights designed for their red headed little butterblums. I do so love that laudatory document long forgotten by those of pinker persuasions and weaker spines.

Wipe not the taste of freedom from your mouth, Herr Gobbler, and try not to make bockworst from the great Jefferson. Perhaps your helmet is a bit tight on the noggin. Please remove it and place an apple there. I have need of practice with my AK47.

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

check out the prices of parrots that goofball Midori thinks are something the poor eat

Squawker,

If we are eating parrots aren’t we really flaunting our wealth?

By RE

September 20, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

which battlefield?

Ok an IED goes off on the street in baghdad, I guess that makes every person on the street in the battlefield. SO are they all eligible for torture or “rough investigation”?

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

RE,

Enemy combatants are a little different than just rounding up innocent citizens don’t you think? Do you want to have a real conversation or play silly semantic games?

By Robert Johnston

September 20, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

Mike Luckovich, I would like to come to your “office” and talk with you about a very serious matter and opportunity. I live in Sandy Springs in the Mt Vernon Village. My phone is 678-984-3094. I’m 85 but have small pickup and can travel. Say when & where.

By Buy Danish

September 20, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this

MADori,

Recently I told you that IF I had a cat YOU (the psychotic parrot) would be dinner. Peroquette a la mode to be precise. If you are volunteering, I may get a cat just so I can enjoy see the feathers fly.

By getalife

September 20, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

Torture is watching w spew on CNN about Iraq.

Shees.

By RE

September 20, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this

great RW, what is an enemy combatant?

Sniper shoots at one of our troops from an open window in a building. Our troops surround the building and capture 10 people inside. None of them saw they fired the shot.

Of these 10, what methods do you use to obtain information?

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this

I guess we could clear this up and even help the libs get a little education.

Parrot 2 : a person who sedulously echoes another’s words

By getalife

September 20, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

Midori,

LOL. RW does go by Captain something on his blog.

They really do have “issues”.

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this

Torture is watching CNN.

There, fixed that for you, gitmolife.

By You're Right, Where Is Osama?

September 20, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this

I think I’ll go fry me up a Macawca for dinner, hehehe.

By You're Right, Where Is Osama?

September 20, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

By RE September 20, 2006 05:10 PM which battlefield?

In between your ears, you know, the one the feminists overran.

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

RE,

Those aren’t the kind of people that the CIA is questioning. Is there some reason you libs have to obfuscate? Why yes, it’s the only way you can claim to be right.

We’ve had this whole debate before. You are looking at this as a way to solve a crime that’s already happened and the government is trying to prevent the next attack.

Squawking parrot,

I know this is difficult for your feeble brain to understand, but I go by the same name here as I do there.

By Dusty

September 20, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this

EEyew, Midori,

What are you going to tell us next?

Something like…. male terrorists were made pregnant by the “torture” you described at 5:01?

You seem to believe anything as long as it bashes the American military.

By J. Goebbels

September 20, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

Oh Dusty, my little geliebte,

I am so happy to hear that you have been working on your shooting skills. That is excellent! I know that when the time comes and you have to kill the dirty Americans, you will not miss!

Please, please my dear, try to forget your scandinavian forbears. Do you not remember how they cried like children when we put them under our cruel thumbs? They are mere trash, like the Amerikaners that you and I so despise.

I know these are hard times for you, my dear. You are ready to kill your countrymen, but be patient liebe and the time will come when you will serve a glorious role in the downfall of their volksdemokratie.

Liebe, Joseph P.S. Der Fuhrer is very impressed with you!

By Buy Danish

September 20, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

MADdori the pychotic parrot is really on a roll today with her vulgarities.

Maybe her owner is a Howard Stern fan and she picks up her limited vocabulary from the airwaves?

By RE

September 20, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this

ok, which type of people are being held at gitmo and other cia prisons then? NOt trying to obfuscate, trying to clarify. So do you have any answer as to how to treat those 10 people captured in the building?

By Ramble ON!

September 20, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

RW-original and BUY DANISH, keep up the good work/word…but this is the Moon bat Cave right here. All they can do is lie and try and deceive the public…the Michael Moore approach. They don’t expect anyone to actually follow up with “facts” or scare tactics…Like ML knows what the hells going on in Gitmo. It’s sad but thankfully the American public is smarter than what they give them credit for. They can’t win an election because they have no ideas, so all they do is hate and spew their vitriol at the ones beating them. If they could come up with an Idea instead of lies and name calling, they could have beaten George W., but it won’t happen. Look for Rudy or Newt running the country for the next 8 years…Thank God…err…I mean higher power.(don’t want to offend their Muslim buddies).

By bon scott

September 20, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

Yet another stunning example of Bush cabal cluelessness in the war on “terra”… compounded by arrogance!

The case of Maher Arar, a Syrian born CANADIAN CITIZEN, arrested at New York’s JFK in 2002 while CHANGING PLANES (he was going home to Canada. He had no US plans). Arar was flow in a US government chartered jet to Jordan, trucked to Syria where he was JAILED and TORTURED for a year. He was freed after everyone concluded Arar was a nobody. A victim.

Does the US regret this typical example of extraordinary rendition? Of course not!! What are they calling it again??

The US attorney general says Maher Arar was legally deported to Syria under US immigration law. Alberto Gonzalez says the Ottawa man’s ordeal was not a case of extraordinary rendition.

Golly!! This kind of denial sure makes me eager to trust everything Bush and his robots say about torture, justice, fairness and due process.

It’s truly the incompetence. And the arrogance. And the stupidity.

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this

RE,

For one, the mastermind of 9/11, Kahlid Sheik Mohamed is at gitmo having recently been transferred from a CIA site.

I have no idea what the military rules of engagement are for your “Mystery 10,” I would hope that we aren’t marching into a house where they have been shooting at us to ask questions. I would think that in that situation there wouldn’t be anyone left to ask, but then Murtha would accuse them of being cold blooded killers.

Basically liberals are tying our hands at every turn and then blaming Republicans for everything that goes wrong.

By RE

September 20, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this

It must be hard dealing with the liberals seeing how the house, senate and executive are run by the GOP and have been for the last several years.

Way to dodge the question entirely though, at least you had a chance to throw in some semi-literate liberal bashing lines in there

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this

So now bonnie-bigot wants us to have fully open borders and no control over who traipses through our country.

Hey bonnie, It WAS THE ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE that said to pick him up and deport him.

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 06:19 PM | Link to this

Would someone please read RE the part of my response about killing his 10 hypothetical people that were shooting at our soldiers in a war zone. Thank you!

By bon scott

September 20, 2006 06:23 PM | Link to this

By RW-(the original) - September 20, 2006 06:09 PM - Hey bonnie, It WAS THE ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE that said to pick him up and deport him.

RW, are really this dumb, or are you just trying to make me look good??

Maher Arar was sent to Syria without Canada’s okay. Canada wasn’t even told Arar had been taken into custody at JFK!

The federal politician who was in charge of Canada’s spy agency and the RCMP when Maher Arar was detained in New York says Canada played no role in the U.S. decision to deport the Ottawa engineer to Syria.

Former solicitor general Wayne Easter told a public inquiry Friday morning that he was frustrated by American claims at the time that authorities from the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service or the RCMP were somehow involved. - CBC News

You’d think the US would at least have the decency to tell Canada it was sending one of its citizens off to a torture haven. You know, just to make sure a mistake wasn’t being made? But NOOOOOOO!!!!!

Dumba-ss. Are you swilling with your buddy ANdy?

By Dusty

September 20, 2006 06:25 PM | Link to this

Ah, Herr Goebbels,

Hitting the schnapps again, I see. Your hallucinations are getting worse. Perhaps your fear of the guillotine is why you run like bockwurst mascot at ball game. You still believe the Frenchies are after your head.

But alas, poor Heerman, it is not the Frenchies but the demons of darkness with a sword. Crawling under your bunker bed and kissing the hand of Ahmijinabad will not save you. But vundervah! Sweet boys and frauleins of America always save us. How I do love them, Herr Gobbles. Perhaps when you emerge from the Black Forest of devilish pink donkies, you will love them too.

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

bonnie-bigot,

Do a little research and you will find that I am right about the tip coming from the RCMP. It’s unclear whether the Canadians were told he was deported immediately or not, but in any case they were informed within a matter of days. This was also in 2002 jacka-ss. When the RCMP said this dude was al Qaeda we tended to take that seriously.

By Midori

September 20, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this

“RW, are really this dumb, or are you just trying to make me look good??”

I’d have to say both and must add a third part to the equation: Bush’s sperm serves as his kool aid. He just can’t imbibe enough. Then he has the nerve to lash out at the MAJORITY of people who don’t buy Bush’s B.S.

I think he needs grief counseling.

That, and a complete lobotomy.

I’ll keep my fingers crossed that the lobotomy works.

By @@

September 20, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this

Let’s hear it for “The Good News”

Canadian-led offensive may have killed 1,500 Taliban fighters

By RE

September 20, 2006 06:48 PM | Link to this

nice response RW, bomb the building making sure there are no survivors, therefore no ethical questions on treatment. Interesting way to do it

By Midori

September 20, 2006 06:52 PM | Link to this

How does one tell RW is lying/exaggerating/trying to snowjob?

He’s breathing.

Or does he continue his Bush pandering in his sleep?

Heh — I can see him now.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ…………

(((((cue sucking sounds))))))

By RE

September 20, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this

RW, in your mind is there any problem in this country not caused by liberal and or the media?

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 06:54 PM | Link to this

RE,

Who said bomb? I’m pretty sure our soldiers can shoot back.

Have you turned this one place with ten people sitting in it a room to a sprawling complex? Why don’t you either stick to fact or keep your fantasy world from spilling out all over the blog?

By Midori

September 20, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

WHAT AN outrage for President Bush to invoke the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in his address to the United Nations, a day after a Canadian government commission accused the United States of rendering one of its citizens to Syria for torture.

Did no one on his staff inform the president that Article 5 of that declaration explicitly states “No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment?” For those, such as Bush, who regard torture as a variant of college fraternity hazing, it would be instructive to consider the fate of Maher Arar as revealed in that devastating Canadian judicial report released on Monday. Arar, a Canadian citizen and engineer who had fled repressive Syria two decades earlier as a teenager, was seized by the FBI at JFK airport and “rendered” to the government of Syria for nearly a year of being whipped with a “shredded electrical cable until he was disoriented” — that is, when he was not confined to his coffin-size cage.

The United States transported Arar to the very same Syria which Bush has been condemning since his first days in office, and as he did again on Tuesday, calling Syria “a crossroad for terrorism.” So, will anyone in that somnambulant White House press corps dare ask the president why he would turn over a prisoner to such a government? And an innocent one at that?

Yes, innocent. On Monday, the Canadian justice who headed a 30-month investigation of this case concluded that, “I am able to say categorically that there is no evidence that Mr. Arar has committed any offense.” The judge employed characteristic Canadian restraint in concluding in his damning three-volume, 822-page report that “The American authorities who handled Mr. Arar’s case treated Mr. Arar in a most regrettable fashion. They removed him to Syria against his wishes and in the face of his statements that he would be tortured if sent there. Moreover, they dealt with Canadian officials involved with Mr. Arar’s case in a less than forthcoming manner.” To put it a bit more bluntly: U.S. officials lied to their Canadian counterparts and never revealed that Arar was “rendered” to Syria precisely to be tortured.

In fact, the outsourcing of torture, as U.S. R

By bon scott

September 20, 2006 06:57 PM | Link to this

RW, I can only say I hope that you’re never “taken into custody” and “renditioned” to a torture haven when you’re just passing though another country’s airport.

Meanwhile, let’s look at how the evil liberal media twisted the Pope’s speech. From the Washington Post, Tuesday September 12th:

Pope Invites Muslims to Dialogue

Never mind…..

By You're Right, Where Is Osama?

September 20, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

RE: An even better plan, let the ten leave the building, track them to where ever they go and then kill them plus all the people they’re with.

Expediency.

American ingenuity.

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

RE,

Did you even read the story I linked? The press and the liberals…you say that as if they are different.

By RE

September 20, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

Lets try this again, here is the scenario: great RW, what is an enemy combatant?

Sniper shoots at one of our troops from an open window in a building. Our troops surround the building and capture 10 people inside. None of them say they fired the shot.

Of these 10, what methods do you use to obtain information?

try to stick with this scenario

By You're Right, Where Is Osama?

September 20, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

Midori: Parrot a comment on this.

By You're Right, Where Is Osama?

September 20, 2006 07:05 PM | Link to this

Hey finchie: Drink this.

By RW-(the original)

September 20, 2006 07:13 PM | Link to this

finchie,

If I held duel citizenship, one from a terrorist country and one from an ally and the ally told a government of a country that I was an Al Qaeda terrorist and I was found in that third country I would not be the least bit surprised if the country of the third part sent me to the country of the first part based on the word of the country of the second part.

 

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