Mike Luckovich

By Lord Help Us

September 19, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this

Man, even the Pope is not enough of a man to actually apologize when he screws up.

An apology IS NOT ‘I’m sorry you were offended.’ An apology IS, I’m sorry, it was a mistake, it will not happen again.’

Maybe the Pope got advice from Karl Rove??

By No Director Better than Another Republican Half-Wit

September 19, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - The Homeland Security Department picked an industry information security specialist Monday as its cybersecurity chief, filling a job that has had no permanent director for a year.

This is what Republicans call ‘security’. Maybe we ARE safer with NOBODY in the director’s position than having another Republican half-wit there. Better that a job just gets left undone than totally screwed up ! ! !

By Political Foreskin

September 19, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

THe pope has a billion catholics worldwide to answer to. He’s infallible. He’s been infallible since the 1870’s when he sided with rebels in a geo-political scenario, and took international flak. To escape that flak, the pope said, “No backs, no vice-versas, no changies!”, and declared himself to be “infallible”, (and if you dont buy it, you go straight to hell, which is what you deserve if you dont buy everything the pope says about anything).

That’s why nobody asks the pope, “Boxers or briefs”!

By What Do Republicans DO When They Aren't On Vacation or Fundraising ? ? ?

September 19, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this

CAPE ELIZABETH, Maine - Vice President Dick Cheney was to visit Maine on Monday to attend a private fundraiser. Cheney was scheduled to deliver remarks at a private luncheon in Cape Elizabeth to raise money for Republican candidates running for the state Legislature this fall. No public events are planned.

Iraq, Afghanistan, N Korea, Somalia, Rogue Nukes, Illegal Immigration, Energy Crisis, Unsecured Ports and borders BUT……When the going gets tough, the Republicans go fundraising ! ! !

By Mrs.Godzilla

September 19, 2006 08:35 AM | Link to this

Angelo Roncalli is rolling in his grave!

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this

ML,

So glad you brought up the cartoons. The AJC never did print them did they? And didn’t you defend that position?

Wouldn’t it have been nice for the AJCs readers to know what all the fuss was about, i.e. absolutely NOTHING.

Todays Cartoon Comment: Does the Luckovich family always look this glum? I take it they don’t approve of the Pope pointing out the TRUTH about Mohammed advocating conversion by the sword. Blame the Pope for the uncivilized and lethal actions of Mohammed’s modern day disciples.

Way to go Mikey.

By Republican Show Time

September 19, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - U.S. prisons are becoming major breeding grounds for Islamic terrorists, but state and local authorities are too cash-strapped to prevent or track recruiting, a new report concludes.

King George and his Republican ‘do nothing’ Court Jesters in the Congress starve our law enforcement for the vital funding they need to fight the war on terror ! ! ! The only seurity Republicans are concerned with is the security of their big business/big government war profiteering campaign donors, everything else is just for show ! ! !

By candide

September 19, 2006 08:40 AM | Link to this

The Pope has every right to speak out vs. Muslim violence, but given the sorry record of Christianity in promoting violence long before Mohammed came on the scene Benedict is simply being a good Christian Pharisee: self-righteous as all hell. And infallible to boot.

By Mike

September 19, 2006 08:42 AM | Link to this

I wonder if Mikey the bigot will ever do a cartoon criticizing China for their tireless support of genocide in the Sudan. I doubt it.

Liberals like Mikey the bigot refuse to criticize anyone who is nota Chritian and/or a Republican. Fortunately for the nice leaders of China, Iran, Nort Korea, etc, most media outlets and the liberals who run them will never shine a light on their misdeeds.

No wonder the rest of the world hates us. According to our media, we are the only folks who ever do anything wrong.

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

WDRDWTAOVOF,

He could have just stayed in the White House and held fundraisers in the Lincoln Bedroom, but it would have been difficult to get all these people into the room.

Or he could have gone to a Buddhist temple in California like Al Gore. Or met with the Hollywood elite. Or with a certain NYC resident named Rich. Et cetera.

Maybe you should go back to bed and start over.

Freaking moron.

By Republican Double-Speak

September 19, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - U.S. officials say they have not written off Iraq’s troubled Anbar province — the country’s largest, and one of its most violent — but neither are they sending more U.S. troops there to battle the insurgents.

In fact, they have shifted some troops from Anbar to Baghdad this summer, not because security conditions are improving in the western province but because they are deteriorating even more in the capital area. The Pentagon told Congress two weeks ago that Baghdad has some of the makings of an all-out civil war.

It looks like the Republicans voted FOR Anbar before they voted AGAINST it. Oh yeh, by the way…. ‘the insurrgents are in their last throes’ ! ! ! Wanna hear another Republican fairy tale ? ? ?

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

LHU,

Where is your outrage over Muslims who burned half a dozen churches and murdered a nun who just happened to be ministering to …muslims.

Which “Lord” are you appealing to anyway?

Freaking unbelievable stupidity and ignorance.

By Paul

September 19, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

“Lord Help Us” is kidding, right? Takes the “this is the only definition” route - ignoring the Merriam-Webster definition of “an admission of error or discourtesy accompanied by an expression of regret.” Injects a personal attack - doesn’t discuss the issue but attack the person. Attempts to link the issue to American politics. So this is what some mean by the “ultra-radical Left?” Prediction: responses to this post will be comprised of: - personal attacks - avoidance of the historical or contemporary issues - sloganeering without substantiating facts - introduction of a whole host of other issues, generally involving the Bush administration.

By Will Jones

September 19, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

Gee, It couldn’t happen to a “better” outfit. Read Daniel Jonah Goldhagen’s “A Moral Reckoning,” to know with absolute clarity that two popes and the Roman Catholic Church were ethically, morally, and legally culpable for the rise of Hitler, and The Holocaust.

Looks like their “chickens” are coming home to roost: Muslim anti-semitism was learned from Rome’s fabricated “scripture” in its war against those who had the “gall” to worship a “perfect, invisible G_d.”

Bush’s grandfather was Hitler’s banker and closet-queen draft-dodger Bush told the “elite” Roman Catholics at NYC’s “Al Smith Dinner,” that they were his “base.”

The pedophile priesthood’s fight with polygamous Arabs is not America’s fight. A pox on both their houses.

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

Candide,

Can you move on to the twenty first century instead of fixating about what happened a thousand years ago? It’s all fine and dandy to look BACK at history, but Christians are not running around converting people NOW at gun point or “by the sword” so any comparison is disingenuous at best, and provides succor to fanatics who deserve NOTHING but condemnation.

By Republican Double-Speak

September 19, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

He could have just stayed in the White House and held fundraisers

And of course, the country wasn’t at WAR then was it? It appears that ‘Buy Anything but American’ insists that America must be in a constant state of war to insure her happiness. Looks like another Republican war-profiteer sqwaking about their potential lost revenue from Daddy’s trust fund ! ! !

By Lord Help Us

September 19, 2006 08:58 AM | Link to this

If Bush were a true leader OR a true Christian he would have a ‘Sister Souljah’ moment and announce his disagreement with the Pope’s statements.

But, alas, he is neither…

Instead he will run and hide from the President of Iran today at the UN.

President Bush, you will be in the same room TODAY with the leader of a country you describe as a member of the ‘axis of evil.’

Will you take this opportunity to press your concerns in person or will you cower and hope nobody notices…

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 09:02 AM | Link to this

Cartoon boy Coward, never pass on a chance to impugn Christianity, never miss an opportunity to place your tail between your legs and run from Islamic fascism.

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Thomas Sowell nails it:

Does any {{{sane adult}}} believe that the cutthroats we are dealing with will respect the Geneva convention? Or that our extension of Geneva convention rights to them will be seen as anything other than another sign of weakness and confusion that will encourage them in their terrorism?-RealClearPolitics

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Pat Buchanan, full of sh-it as always:

In the East, we had best recognize that the rage, militancy and intolerance so often on display are the unmistakable marks of a rising, not a dying, faith.-TownHall

Wrong again, these religious bigots are sensing the Freedom and Democracy spreading through their lands and with it the loss of their power to enslave the Muslim people. And they are attacking us just the same as a rabid dog would if it was also threatened.

These Islamic fascists are animals, no more, no less.

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Democrats are not alone in suffering from the naivete virus. Several Republicans last week exhibited a similar deficiency in wisdom. John McCain, Arizona Republican senator, may have severely hurt his chances for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination by suggesting the United States should be bound by the Geneva Conventions in dealing with stateless terrorists determined to murder civilians. Murdering civilians is condemned by those same Conventions, but the jihadists are not persuaded to conform to these treaties.-RealClearPolitics

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

Recently the Senate Intelligence Committee published the second phase of its investigation into Iraq. The document has an outrageously lengthy name: “Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence on Postwar Findings About Iraq’s WMD Programs and Links to Terrorism and How They Compare with Prewar Assessments, Together with Additional Views.” It is a tendentious paper, reflecting Democratic posturing on the eve of the congressional elections. Four Republican senators on the committee complained in their dissent that it was written “with more partisan bias than we have witnessed in a long time in Washington.” That is an apt characterization of the section dealing with Iraq and terrorism.-NYSun

democrats; partisan politics over national security. Your life in exchange for their power.

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BUT LET’S PUT THIS PROBLEM in historical context. When Saddam was in power, if he was killing only a few hundred people a month, he was having an off year. (From 1988 to 1992 alone, he killed an estimated 250,000 Kurds and Shiites.) Now it is true that during Saddam’s time, the violence wasn’t so random or visible as it is now; it didn’t take the form of dramatic bomb blasts, but rather mostly took place in torture chambers and in isolated villages without media coverage, and you could be fairly confident that you wouldn’t become a victim unless Saddam had good reason to go after you — such as if you didn’t agree with his policies, argued for democratic reforms, or were a Kurd, or a Shiite. Nonetheless, just on the basis of body counts, one can only come to the conclusion that the mess the United States has made in Iraq is a significant improvement over the mess that was already there.-AmericanSpectator

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

Like all liberals, unbelievable cowards:

Abdullah Qura’an, a 12-year-old Palestinian boy, carried a 13-pound bomb in his school bag into a checkpoint near Hablus. He didn’t die, because a cell phone rigged to set off the bomb didn’t work. The unwitting youngster was told he was carrying car parts.-AmericanSpectator

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By their reaction to the pope’s speech, some Muslim leaders showed again that Islam has a problem with modernity that is going to have to be solved by a debate within Islam. The day Muslims condemn Islamic terror with the same vehemence they condemn those who criticize Islam, an attempt at dialogue—and at improving relations between the Western and Islamic worlds—can begin.-OpinionJournal

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But as persuasive and undeniable as these figures are, the environmental lobby around the world refuses to listen. Here’s Jay Feldman, executive director of the Washington-based Beyond Pesticide, commenting on WHO’s announcement in the Wall Street Journal: Wider use of DDT, he said, “is shortsighted and doesn’t recognize the long-term problems and hazards… It behooves us to advocate the phase-out of this chemical around the world and try to find solutions to malaria that go to the cause of infestation.” Remarkable — 1 million dead every year and Mr. Feldman wants the non-malaria nations of the world to continue looking for root causes.-WashingtonTimes

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Today’s cartoon that doesn’t suck!

By Lord Help Us

September 19, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this

BD,

Please try to close a least one post today without the word ‘freaking.’ It makes you look foolish…

Now, this is not an either/or matter and the strawman you set up and knocked down is right out of your heroes playbook.

I simply stated that the Pope’s attempt at an apology is anything but an apology.

If you would like to discuss my disappointment at portions of the Muslim community for overreacting to the pompous, arrogant message from the Pope, I will gladly oblige…

By Republican Cookie Jar

September 19, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - Montana Sen. Conrad Burns (news, bio, voting record), a Republican in a tight re-election race, flew on a private plane chartered by Vonage Holdings Corp. just days after he pushed legislation that the company has advocated for more than a year.

Even after all the flap about Abramhoff, Republicans still just can’t keep their paws out of the cookie jar, can they ? ? ?

By Sharon

September 19, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

Mike

It amazes me that the “Book On Torture” cartoon you did on June 21st of this year raised such indignity with 17,742 negative votes, but the “Getting The O.K.” you did yesterday is rating an almost 82% approval.

Are people finally realizing what this country is doing in the name of “spreading” democracy? One can only hope - before it is too late. Or is it already?

Correct me if I am wrong, but the message you were conveying was the same for both cartoons - was it not?

By getalife

September 19, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

Great toon Mike.

Looks like an attack on Iran in October and the draft should follow.

Does this make you happy Andy?

By Inbred Inertia

September 19, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this

somebody please turn a hose on buy danish

and andy….you wanna stfu?

Where’s a horny mosquito when you need one?

By Inbred Inertia

September 19, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this

cartoon idea….show today’s cartoon with this title: Loose Canon

By Republican Do Nothing Congress

September 19, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - The Senate will consider a bill calling for erecting 700 miles of fencing on the U.S-Mexican border, a proposal that has been approved twice by the House.

While America is invaded by the illegal hordes, Republicans wanna drag their feet until say….. October. Why would a political party that cared anything at all about the welfare of America drag its’ feet for all this time in order to hold out an election month tidbit. Lets’ judge them by what they haven’t done for 6 years rather than by what they will only give lip service to over the next couple of months ! ! !

By Inbred Inertia

September 19, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this

We aint attackin’ iran, moron.

We cant attack baghdad. Our army is milling around aimlessly in the stinkin’ desert.

Bush has a speech coach with one assignment: prevent W from saying one word - crusaders

By Republican Oinkers

September 19, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - Rep. Bob Ney (news, bio, voting record), who has agreed to plead guilty to federal corruption charges, stepped down from two House committee positions Monday but did not say whether he would leave Congress.

What’s the difference? Isn’t one Republican war-bucks swilling pig the same as any other Republican war-bucks swilling pig ? ? ?

By Paul

September 19, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

Inbred Inertia: “Crusader” was the name of the hugely expensive howitzer Rumsfeld cancelled (Clinton’s defense secretaries cancelled - zero - I think). Designed to fight the Soviet Union on the plains of Europe. Huge cries of protest. One of the generals calling for Rumsfeld to resign was the program manager for that boondoggle! But no, the generals were all speaking from their conscience. It’s money and power, folks.

By Republicans for Democrats

September 19, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

HARTFORD, Conn. - Republican New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg will host a fundraiser for Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., at the mayor’s Manhattan town house, Lieberman’s campaign announced Sunday night.

When the Republican party can’t find one honest candidate in its’ ranks……….it supports a DEMOCRAT for reelection ! ! !

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

LHU,

I hardly think that you are in a position to complain about other people looking “foolish”.

You are still blaming the Pope, this time for being “pompous” and “arrogant”.

I await a STRONG condemnation from you about the, dare I say “violent”, actions of Muslims. Why should the Pope apologize for THEIR behavior?

Freaking enabler.

By getalife

September 19, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

If you are healthy and age 42 or under I would suggest you get ready for war or leave this country.

The idiot will not even talk to Imanutjob at the UN and there are operations in Iran.

After they bomb Iran in October, this war will escalate.

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

Inbred Idiot,

Why don’t you call for censorship somewhere where that is accepted political behavior - say to Howard Dean.

I don’t doubt that you have hordes of fellow Useful Idiots cheering you on, but at the end of the day I still get to speak and you still come across as a liberal fascist.

By Last Lonely Republican with Integrity

September 19, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

Facing what is perhaps the climactic election of his career, Connecticut Republican Rep. Christopher Shays insists he does not mind losing his seat because of his longstanding support for the war in Iraq — as long as he maintains a reputation for personal integrity that has been his political armor over his 19 years in Congress, even as his 4th District in the New York City suburbs has developed a Democratic lean.

Wow! A Republican that can still say ‘integrity’ with a straight face. Somebody call the endangered species act and get Congressman Shay listed before it’s too late ! ! !

By Lord Help Us

September 19, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

BD,

Are you too stupid to read English??

Where did I say I blame the Pope for the church burnings, etc. you refer to??? Geez, you’re dumb.

I simply stated (AGAIN and please read S-L-O-W-L-Y this time) that the Pope’s attempt at an apology is anything but an apology.

Try to keep up or, heck, crawl back under your bed. Rush will be on in 2.5 hours to tell you what to think today…Hold on a little longer…

By Translations R Us

September 19, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

“Freaking Enabler” talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

That’ll keep us laughing at Bi-Danish all day!

By Naked Emperor

September 19, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

Does anybody else do this…..when I see the “CUT” remarks, I imagine it’s just another redneck belching and keep on going?

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

What do you suggest Bush and “Imanutjob” discuss? The pros and cons of wiping Israel off the map?

Good grief.

By Paul

September 19, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

Okay, getalife, illuminate us. You are the President of the US. You will be at the UN today. Just what will you say to Ahmadinejad? And what do you think he’ll say to you? Pls try to answer without using the words “Bush” or “Republican.”

By Republican Junkies

September 19, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration said Monday it sees disturbing trends in Bolivia’s dealings with efforts to combat illicit drugs.

Maybe King George can show Bolivia how he has increased the output of Afghani opium crops several fold. Maybe the Bolivians aren’t as ‘efficient’ as Republicans would like them to be. Republicans must want the entire country to be stoned in November so they can count on more of the ‘junkie’ vote ! ! !

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

LHU,

I read your stupid posts and understand them perfectly.

WHAT IS THE “arrogant” and “pompous” Pope SUPPOSED TO APOLOGIZE FOR?

By Ed

September 19, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

Hey Mike, next you’ll probably do a really neat cartoon about a nun getting shot in the back by a “courageous” Muslim extremist. Lets fuel the fire.

By bon scott

September 19, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

Wrong again, these religious bigots are sensing the Freedom and Democracy spreading through their lands and with it the loss of their power to enslave the Muslim people.

So the drunk thinks freedom and democracy are spreading across Muslim lands?? Well, maybe democracy is, but freedom isn’t. Which explains why Hamas (destroy Israel) was elected in Palestine, Lebanon (where Hezbollah was elected) is in tatters and why Iraq (where elected Sh-iites and Sunnis and Kurds can’t agree on the time of day) is exploding. And Andy the drunk says democracy and freedom are winning?

With victories for democracy and freedom like these, who needs defeats?

This is the Bush legacy. Weep.

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

Ed,

Wouldn’t it have been nice if ML had a cartoon that showed people violently rioting because the Pope condemned violence in Islam?

Luckovich is a “moderate Democrat” who doesn’t like to “poke his finger in the eye” of outraged muslims but has no problem stabbing American soldiers in the back, or portraying the Pope as a buffoon.

By Lord Help Us

September 19, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

Stupid BD, YOU asked…

In his speech, the pope quoted 14th-century Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus who said: “Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

Vatican spokesman Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone said in a statement on Saturday the pope’s position on Islam was unmistakably in line with Vatican teaching that the Church “esteems Muslims, who adore the only God.”

So BD, which is it??

If it’s the latter, I’d say the Pope needs to issue a REAL apology…

By getalife

September 19, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

BD,

You believe that crap. You have not read about his rhetoric have you? He is talking about moving Israel not wiping them off the map.

It does not matter what I think, the wheels are in motion and I would suggest you get your kids ready for the draft.

Happy now?

By Paul

September 19, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

getalife: Ahmadinejad has done both - but the comments to move Israel are deflections when he calls for the destruction of Israel. His “move” reference is to relocate to Germany or Austria - not Jordan, Syria, or any other Mideast country.

from the Washington Post, Aug 3, 2006: Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Thursday the solution to the Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel…Ahmadinejad, who has drawn international condemnation with previous calls for Israel to be wiped off the map, said the Middle East would be better off “without the existence of the Zionist regime.”

BTW - still waiting - what will you say to Admadinejad, in the role of US President?

By rushncap

September 19, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

Well, I guess you gotta give a certain bit of leeway to a man who was in the Nazi Youth. To his credit, he has not started quoting Himmler yet, so he’s probably ahead of the curve on that one.

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

By Republican Junkies September 19, 2006 09:42 AM

Hey, congratulations on posting an article that DIDN’T come from Yahoo! “news.”

Sadly it was from the AJC which is even worse.

Hey everybody else, do you truly believe that the Republican party is the only political party that holds fundraisers?

Is your head so firmly planted in your a-ss that you feel the need to spam a political blog with volumes upon mountainous volumes of absolutely pointless, hypocritical bullsh-it?

When it takes this page 5 minutes to load all of that pointless bullsh-it, aren’t you just so damn proud of your stupid self?

By getalife

September 19, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

It is too late Paul to talk him.

Your question is silly but I have one for you.

Are you healty and age 42 or younger?

By rushncap

September 19, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

The Pope is supposed to apologize for being an insensitive idiot, Danish. I’m assuming that was not in the job description. Saying that Islam has only brought destruction and evil into this world was a) Not true b) Completely insensitive to the millions of normal Muslims and c) Entirely moronic, given that those insane imams teach at their mosques that Christians are the enemy. How many new recruits are Islamic terror organizations going to get because of this, huh?

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

LHU,

What LORD are you asking for help from? Christians believe in “free will”. Maybe that’s why they don’t riot when they are offended.

The Pope has nothing to apologize for.

Getalife,

Are you referring to this?

Apparently he want to “Wipe them off the map” and then move them to Europe.

Is this what you want Bush to talk to him about?

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

By rushncap September 19, 2006 10:13 Well, I guess you gotta give a certain bit of leeway to a man who was in the Nazi Youth. To his credit, he has not started quoting Himmler yet, so he’s probably ahead of the curve on that one.

He was in the “Hitler” youth, dumna-ss.

This rank hypocrisy coming from a clown who has been completely indoctrinated into the “feminism” youth by his pinko educational camp, a willing, happy metrosexual.

You sure do have some nerve calling the Pot to Kettle.

Kettle.

By Paul

September 19, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

Sorry, getalife, can’t give much credence to someone who only criticizes but has no suggestions on how to make things better. Just saw Congressman Marty Meehan, D - Mass - member of House Armed Services Committee. Was speaking about the “torture” issue - was asked if, in certain circumstances, coercive measures, specifically standing up and cold rooms, were okay. He finally answered (“yes”) after he was asked FIVE times. So he was a critic with no new ideas but finally admitted he agreed with the policies he’d initially criticized.

It’s not too late - Pres Bush is still in NYC - hasn’t given his speech yet - so again, what would you, in role of US President, say?

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

Here is Al Jazeera’s story on“Wiping Israel off the Map”

Maybe you’ll believe it now, considering the source.

Later…

By Huge

September 19, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

The rabid b1tch has started early this morning! Must have had a bad night.

Oh well, it’s great comedy as everybody had a good laugh when they read “fanatics who deserve NOTHING but condemnation” and instantly thought of the author!

No Director Better than Another Republican Half-Wit, Re your 8:25, That’s a good point.

Which brings me to something RW and I were discussing last night about Reagan foreign policy blunders. He asked the question, “What did Clinton do to straighten up these messes while in office?” The only thing I can think of at the moment noteworthy in regards to foreign policy was the Oslo Accords. And of course, The Balkan war where at least he stopped the suffering and genocide, by military means and without losing ANY American lives. And had success in spite of an isolationist and partisan gop congress.

Which begs the follow up question, what has W done in his six years in regards to these countries? Notwithstanding that the Iraq invasion/Cheney doctrine may correctly be regarded as the single greatest foreign policy blunder ever in US history. Anything? Anyone? Bueller?

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

rushncap,

The Pope never said Islam has only brought destruction and evil to the world.

Even your idiot partner LHU quoted properly. Why do you have to lie to try to get your point across?

BTW, LHU. I’ve never once seen a post from Buy Danish that ends with the word ‘freaking.”

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

Huge,

Our “discussion” was about what Clinton had done to fix any of the “problems” that had, in your opinion, been created by Reagan or Bush 41.

Saying that he was unusually good at bombing random civilians from 50,000 feet doesn’t really count, does it?

On another topic, you are one psychotic pos. You come in here calling someone a rabid b-itch and then say they are the problem. F.U.

By rushncap

September 19, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

RW, here is the quote: “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

Now, he stressed that the words were not his. But what the HELL was the point of doing this? Do you think if he quoted from “Mein Kempf” (making sure to give proper credit to the author) we’d all be defending him today? Is this a crime against humanity, like bombing a train? Of course not. But it was an incredibly dumb, incredibly insensitive thing to do, at a time when we can ill afford to do either. And this is coming from the most influential religious leader in the world! He should apologize for lacking judgement. Unless you really do want a global religious war, RW, even someone like you would have to realize that doing more to p!$$ off the Muslims is not a particularly bright idea right now.

By Paul

September 19, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

Huge: re: Balkans: let me get this straight. A President takes unilateral military action. Defies the UN. Defies NATO in taking military action in Europe. And this is a good thing?!!? Bush does the same thing in Iraq and he’s evil?!!?

So following your train of thought, you would be in favor of unilateral intervention in Darfur? Stop the slaughter, rapes, right? As long as we didn’t take any casualties. So one soldier gets hurt we pull out, right? BTW - bin Laden has already called for jihadists to flock to Somalia if American intervenes -

Back to the Balkans, Chairman of JCS (Clinton appointee) said not to worry - we’d be out by Christmas. Some noticed at the time he didn’t say which year - we’re still there. So in reference to your “had success” comment: shall we pull out NOW - no more troops in the Balkans (yes, soldiers have died as a result of that action) and when the slaughter begins anew shall the effort be deemed a failure?

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

rushncap,

What part of what the Pope quoted isn’t true?

He didn’t say what you said first, which I guess you are now admitting. Maybe if more people would join the real world instead of coming up with more and more excuses for these jihadists we could relegate them to the obscurity they deserve.

Instead we have people like you that want to take every opportunity to say that they are right and we are wrong under the guise of not p-issing them off.

By @@

September 19, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

ml: What exactly are you promoting here? Restriction of free speech? I guess you’re not surprised then when you see your liberal friends here tell conservatives to STFU.

The thing I find most interesting in the Muslim reaction is that the Pope’s comments quoted a Byzantine emperor who questioned why violence accompanies the spread of Islam. He didn’t support this emperor’s views. He, instead, referred to them as “brusque.”

It was an opportunity for dialogue between Muslims and Christians, but you can’t have dialogue when one side responds to perceived criticism with violence and reacts as though they alone have the right to dictate the contents of the conversation.

Prime Minister Howard in Australia has demanded that Muslims within his country appreciate the freedoms it offers by assimilating to the Australian way of life.

It’s obviously had an effect on leading Australian Muslim leader, Dr Ameer Ali, who said that Australian Muslims must accept the Pope’s apology and move on.

So maybe appeasement and encouraging the Pope to STFU isn’t the way to progress. Maybe, just maybe, we should be drawing our own line in the sand. If they want to step over it, they better be prepared to act reasonably.

By getalife

September 19, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Paul,

You did not answer my question.

W will say what he wants to say and the war in Iran has already started. The bombing will happen in October.

The NSA has our IP addresses and they could force you to go fight or lock me up without a trial or a lawyer and torture me.

This is the new America.

By Huge

September 19, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

I thought you guys were the party of personal responsibility! HA! As for your partisan favoritism and myopic umbrage at me calling a spade a spade, or in this case a bile infested blogger a rabid female canine, save it. Sorry you can’t see that. Enjoy your indignant and impotent rage, Mr. Civility!

Paul, all I said was Clinton stopped the murdering, that apparently you gop types loved watching on TV. Nothing more. And, again, Read my lips, theis prez in comparison is a total train wreck.

Later, all!

By Paul

September 19, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

getalife: you asked my age - don’t generally discuss personal information in these kinds of forums. Not really up on NSA protocols or agency roles, are you? (NSA classified program was to intercept telephone calls originating outside the US by known terrorists). Patriot Act (signed onto initially by nearly all our senators) covers apprehensions of US citizens. American Civil Liberties Union examined such claims as yours and found not one instance of such a violation of citizen rights.

For a timetable from a reliable source you may want to check stratfor.com - pretty on the mark independent intelligence service.

Again, one has more credibility if one offers solutions rather than constant complaints. Ever sat in a business meeting and experienced the person in the back of the room saying “that idea’s stupid” “that won’t work” “the person who came up with that’s an idiot”? They generally don’t last long.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

It sure doesn’t take much to bring out the real “Hugo” does it?

The murdering that you claim Clinton stopped, are you claiming that Reagan and/or Bush started this since that is THE ONE thing you can find to answer the question?

Another funny thing about that genocide Clinton stopped in the Balkans, nobody ever found the mass graves. So I guess it wasn’t really that hard to stop and we’ll likely be out of Iraq before we’re out of there.

By Inbred Inertia

September 19, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

@@, it’s a shame they dont burn witches no mo.

or ho’s.

@@, you always take the simples route in a blog and the totally dumbest approach. It’s uncanny.

You need regrooving.

By paul

September 19, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

Huge: I understand you said Clinton stopped the murdering - the US did a good thing. But I was making the point - Clinton took unilateral action, defied the UN, and set in place policies resulting in US troops there a decade later - with no withdrawal date in sight. We pull out the genocide could begin anew. Merely contrasted this with Iraq to illustrate discussions aren’t about what’s best for the US - they’re about partisan politics with one party attempting to score points over the other. Somalia comments the same - UN resists taking action - and BTW - much of that slaughter is by Islamic jihadists against black Muslims.
Just because there’s injustice does not mean America has a strategic interest that requires intervention.

By getalife

September 19, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

No Paul.

I have worked for Corporations where the people in the meeting kept their mouth shut and bobbed their heads yes to avoid getting fired.

In a fascist dictatorship with no accountability these rules apply.

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

I believe we can coin a new term now:

Hugocrite.

Yep, that’s it.

By @@

September 19, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

I guess I’m supposed to yearn for the “Inbreeding” that brings about a lack of “Inertia” resulting in chronic constipation like this?

{{{By Inbred Inertia September 19, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this}}}

{{{somebody please turn a hose on buy danish}}}

{{{and andy….you wanna stfu?}}}

{{{Where’s a horny mosquito when you need one?}}}

{{{By Inbred Inertia September 19, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this}}}

{{{cartoon idea….show today’s cartoon with this title: Loose Canon}}}

{{{By Inbred Inertia September 19, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this}}}

{{{somebody please turn a hose on buy danish}}}

{{{and andy….you wanna stfu?}}}

{{{Where’s a horny mosquito when you need one?}}}

So tell me “Inbred”, how did your brother receive his circumcision? Did your old man kick you in the chin at an opportune moment?

Does your family operating on the cheap? Sure looks like it.

By Reality check

September 19, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

Paul, where do you get off saying Clinton unilaterally led the US on a solo mission in Kosovo? And NATO objected?

NATO was there. From March 1999 on.

Any resemblance between Kosovo and Iraq is purely between your ears.

By Who Really Cares Who I Really Am, Anyway?

September 19, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

Staying on topic, which for some here is obviously IMPOSSIBLE:

The Pope…one more reason why I left the Roman Catholic Church nearly 20 years ago…and organized religion, for that matter…

For someone who supposedly is so ‘intellectual and intelligent,” I find it impossible to believe he did not realize that his comments would be akin to affirming the text he quoted.

He needs to go back and sit in his ivory tower, a/k/a the Vatican…

By Lord Help Us

September 19, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

Actually Reality Check,

The World (and NATO) was behind Clinton’s leadership in Kosovo. The only ones not behind it were Milosevic and the troop hating US Republican Majority Congress…

The irony is SOOOO ironic…

By Who Really Cares Who I Really Am, Anyway?

September 19, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

FYI:

Bloomberg was always a Democrat-until he found he could not secure the Democratic nomination. He then switched parties.

No loyalty there…going to the “highest bidder,” as it were.

By War Eagle

September 19, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

since muslims cannot survive under anything but a dictatorship-otherwise they act like wild animals-or worse-wild islamists who are too much into their 10th century religion, it appears that the only way the world can live together is to bomb away the muslim countries and replace them with civilized 21st century thinking people.Reagan would have bombed Iran/Iraq/Lebanon/Syria and Gaza with Fat Man and Little boy. Just like Nagasaki. Since these muslims cannot live in our world, we need to send them to a world they can live in-the world of Allah-or Mars. Then the world will be a better and safer place.

By Paul

September 19, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

Reality check: you are correct - NATO was there. US was lead, of course. Clinton began threatening unilateral action as early as 1998. But the other parallels are there - UN talked and talked and talked - but when time for action came, folded. So considering the number of foreign forces involved in Iraq, and the NATO intervention in Kosovo, the parallels are even stronger!

Facts stand: no UN intervention, US led military action. And if you want to talk about fiddling with intelligence - examine General Wesley Clark’s (Democratic Presidential wannabe last time around) role with pressuring military intelligence analysts to give him the info he wanted.

No one has stated what US interests were at stake in justifying military action in Kosovo. So Clinton’s not all that different from Bush.

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

By Who Really Cares That I’m A Pinko, Anyway? September 19, 2006 12:16 PM The Pope…one more reason why I left the Roman Catholic Church nearly 20 years ago

Excuses, excuses.

It’s all about you, ain’t it?

By Lord Help Us

September 19, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

Wow, I wish Bush was half the leader Clinton was:

NATO’s planned peacekeeping force in Kosovo calls for 50,000 armed troops with European nations providing the bulk of the NATO peacekeeping force and U.S. troops making up 15 percent of the force, Clinton said.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE compare EVERYTHING about KOSOVO to EVERYTHING about IRAQ for a true picture of leadership vs. INCOMPETENCE….

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

By Who Really Cares That I’m A Pinko, Anyway? September 19, 2006 12:19 PM FYI: Jim Jeffords was always a Republican-until he found he could not secure the Republican nomination. He then switched parties. No loyalty there…going to the “highest bidder,” as it were.](R)

By Lord Help Us

September 19, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

Let’s play NAME THAT MORON…

Now, who can guess the source of this beaut:

“Mr. Speaker, this is a very difficult speech for me to give, because I normally, and I still do, support our military and the fine work that they are doing. But I cannot support a failed foreign policy. … But before we get deeper embroiled into this Balkan quagmire, I think that an assessment has to be made of the Kosovo policy so far. President Clinton has never explained to the American people why he was involving the U.S. military in a civil war in a sovereign nation, other than to say it is for humanitarian reasons, a new military/foreign policy precedent. … Was it worth it to stay in Vietnam to save face? What good has been accomplished so far? Absolutely nothing.”

Anybody?

By Thomas

September 19, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

Killing in the name of God! Allah, (whatever)

Great idealisms — gotta love that!

Ok - The Pope has apologized for the simple act of reading a ancient writing from history. He never expected this world reaction from the Muslim community, (Obviously the world of muslims become ravenous wolves at the drop of a hat), but the Pope apologized for it.

Now it’s time for the Muslims to apologize for the murder of a nun - the beheadings, -and - well a lot of other atrocities in the name of their god!

I am so tired of teh garbage of these people using such things in their politics. Lets tell Turkey (and the rest of the flames of Allah) to Go to Hell! At least until they come to the point of really wanting to do something for peace.

Ok some will say it’s the Muslim fanatics that commit these attrocities and that real muslims would never commit such acts. (I declare BS’) —

Muslims everywhere should decry these acts everytime they occur just a voraciously as they declared their “Insult” at the Popes words, or the Cartoon. To remain silent when an act of evil is done in your religeon’s name is a bigger blesphemy against Allah than any cartoon, as you clearly say that Allah and Muhammad agree to these wanton acts of murder and hatred. When a bomber kills children in the name of Allah, and muslims applaud, or a body is dragged through the streets of cheering muslims, then they are saying Allah is a great killer!

We Christians recognize when evils in the name of Christianity occur, such as the Inquisition, the Witch Burnings, and cults like the moonies, the Heavens Gate Goofballs, etc., and we clearly say that we despise such acts in the name of Christianity as they are wrong. So why do Muslims sit back and quietly applaud the acts of attrocitys and scream bloody murder when someone barely says something negative about Muhammad, the Quaran, or Allah.

Well lets say this then. If you truly believe your religeon is good, then start doing good in this world and start a goal of working towards peace and not hatred and violence. Otherwise your religeon is evil and you are just another fanatic in a psuedo religeous cult. Or is Allah really evil?

The Pope has apologized! Now it’s your turn!

Apologize for your fellow worshippers acts of evil upon Christians and then we can start talking peace and shaking hands and working together. To not do so

By Paul

September 19, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

So, Lord Help Us, your point is if the US force level was 15 pct of coalition forces you’d be in favor of our presence in Iraq? And following the model Clinton started and Bush continued, 8 years of troops in Kosovo, no end in sight, so that’s what we should do in Iraq? You don’t see any parallels in the situations?

Still haven’t said what US interests were at stake necessitation military action or why we have forces there 8 years later. One more time: the parallels continue on, even better, to make a case for US intervention in Somalia. Do you really want that?

By Paul

September 19, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Lord Help Us: great quote! Offhand, playing the game of “let’s see what Democrats said about Saddam/nukes/WMD etc” before the last election, I’ll guess George W. Bush. And it’s a fine question. None of these people of either party ever learn.

But the people in Somalia are starving…

By getalife

September 19, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

w said it is unacceptable to think.

This is not American.

By getalife

September 19, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

Except Clinton won his war in spite of the wingnuts not supporting him Paul.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

Great post at 12:35. I get the feeling that isn’t the “Hollywood mogul” Thomas that usually pops up around here.

By Paul

September 19, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

Clinton won a war?!!? He led America into war without getting a declaration of war by Congress?!!? And he left out troops there?!!? And (gasp) innocent civilians died?

Please - all military action does not constitute a “war.” Sarcasm aside, still doesn’t justify using American military forces in an area where there is not a strong American interest.

By Midori

September 19, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

Military launches coup in Thailand

Boy, after a while we’re gonna need a bigger shovel to spread all this democracy…

By getalife

September 19, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

It is unacceptable to think is not American

By Midori

September 19, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

Like, Iraq?

“Please - all military action does not constitute a “war.” Sarcasm aside, still doesn’t justify using American military forces in an area where there is not a strong American interest.”

By Thomas

September 19, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

Yes RW - it is I and your still a wingnut (grins)

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Would you like to tell us exactly how the coup attempt in Thailand is our fault?

I thought you being a parrot would have kept you too busy to post seeing as how it’s talk like a pirate day.

By getalife

September 19, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

Mmm stopping genocide or oil.

That is a pathetic comparison Paul.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

The rest of getalife’s whiny little sob story

Never take the word of a lib without checking for the whole story. They are either gullible fools, congenital liars or both.

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

By Midori September 19, 2006 12:53 PM Military launches coup in Thailand Boy, after a while we’re gonna need a bigger shovel to spread all this democracy…

Should have never abandoned South Vietnam, looks like the domino theory is coming to fruition, tehehe.

Funny, though, it wasn’t too long ago I heard that Thailanders were “laughing” at us.

Look, now I’m laughing at them^^.

By rushncap

September 19, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

RW, you’re dodging and weaving as usual. You’re getting quite good at that when talking to me. I asked you, simply, what if the Pope quoted “Mein Kempf”? Would you be jumping to his defense?

Your cute idea of “maybe if we ignore the jihadists they will just go away” is nice and all, except in the real world (the one you are trying to get everyone but yourself to join) it will not actually work. You are the idiot who starts teasing a rabid dog with a stick because “it’s his damn fault he’s rabid”. Well, idiot, maybe it’s the dog’s fault he is rabid, but teasing it helps no one and puts those around in danger. No one is excusing the jihadists. But giving them more recruitment ammunition is dangerous and stupid. Want to bet Benedict’s brilliant quote shows up in the al Quaeda recruitment literature right soon? Did the Pope have the freedom to say what he did? Sure. But just because you CAN do something does not mean you should. The Pople screwed up. A bigger man than the former Hitler Youth would admit his mistake and move on. Apparently Ratzinger has bought into the whole “infallibility” thing, however.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Don’t you mean PREEMPTIVELY stopping genocide, since it wasn’t actually happening?

Taking preemptive action in a country that posed no threat to the US. I thought you moonbats told us that was unprecedented.

Thomas,

It’s hard to recognize you when you leave out your trademark slashes and dashes. It’s even harder when you make sense.

By rushncap

September 19, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

Paul: please tell us all how many casualties the U.S. suffered in Kosovo. Then please tell us the average death toll in Kosovo (today) from various racial / religious / political terrorist or para-military actions.

Then I think I can explain how the Kosovo action is different from Iraq.

By Paul

September 19, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

“Mmm stopping genocide or oil.
That is a pathetic comparison Paul.”

(sigh, again). I never said Kosovo or Iraq was justified or not, merely pointed out some parallels and the inconsistencies of people who justify one but not the other.

Your comment opens another whole can of worms. Does America intervene wherever there’s genocide (and forget getting a UN definition - many of those members are the ones committing the atrocities!)? And if genocide’s bad, what about slavery, hmmm? Do we intervene in Africa?

You still haven’t stated what should be America’s criteria for military intervention. Let alone unilateral, with a couple of allies, or as part of a UN force.

By getalife

September 19, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

That is rich RW.

For someone who buys into the gop lies you have no room to talk.

Paul,

You are rambling.

Is their a point somewhere in your rhetoric?

By Randy

September 19, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

Why are liberals always looking for the gray area in a danger zone? It’s gotta be because they’re missing out on grey matter.

Damndest thing I’ve ever seen Mike. Do you give it up freely or are you suffering from a daily headache?

By getalife

September 19, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

RW,

You have to have an ounce of human compassion to understand Clinton’s victory.

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

@@,

Your 10:56 was excellent. I love P.M. John Howard.

Andy,

How about “Huge Hugocrite”?

RW,

The “new” “improved” Huge didn’t last long did it? Maybe a little anger management rehab at rushncap’s re-education camp would at least train him to keep up the FACADE of sweetness and light a little longer than one post. Or maybe he needs an exorcist.

Huge Phony,

Have a nice day!

Dead Rock Star,

Do you think that things would have been better if only the noble Sandinistas had been leading a rebellion against Saddam Hussein in Iraq?

By Papist

September 19, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

Mike Luckovich is a bigot..he knows he is a bigot..he thinks it’s cute that he is a bigot and hates anything Catholic…and those dregs who go along with his bashing show that they too are bigots.

Lord Help Us…why should the Pope apologize..that you aren’t pleased means nothing..

By rushncap

September 19, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

Paul: in this world there is no “one size fits all”. People have to use their heads. Intervening in a relatively low-risk area to prevent genocide? Sounds like a good idea to me. Invading a sovereign nation in the most volatile region in the world, and then occupying a country that has ancient and deep-seated intercine hatreds and lots of weapons, not to mention a different religion from ours? Sounds like a slightly worse idea. Results: Kosovo - no soldiers dead, genocide stopped. Iraq - thousands upon thousands of dead, the only thing preventing a civil war is a U.S. force which is losing a few soldiers a day.

You still can’t see the difference in the 2 situations, paul?

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

If you want to appease the people that want to kill you in some misguided hope that they will kill you last go ahead.

It’s more of your blame the victim mentality because you don’t have the balls to blame the perpetrator. You attack women around here all day long and now you say one shouldn’t say anything that a Muslim fanatic might find offensive whether it’s true or not. Do you see anything wrong with that way of thinking?

Your fascination with the Pope having been in the Hitler youth is a little odd. It’s not like he had any choice. So are all German males of the Popes age evil in your mind? If the Pope found something telling in Mein Kampf that pointed out a truth or an untruth I would have no problem with him quoting it. You realize Mein Kampf means My Jihad don’t you?

By Paul

September 19, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

rushncap: counting casualties is like counting dollars or anything else. Depends on the criteria. Military often uses the “count a casualty if it wouldn’t have happened if the given situation did not exist.” That’s why they count traffic accidents, people who fell off buildings and got killed, etc. If it’s in the theater of operations, or related to it, it counts.

But it’s irrelevant. It’s not a numbers game. If your position is, intervene anywhere there’s suffering as long as no American troops get hurt, well, fine. If your position is, keep American troops in place as long as no one else is getting hurt, well, okay too. Makes it difficult if we have troops in place, violence begins, Americans get killed (uh, how many before we pull out?) do we pull out? Let’s see, bad things happen somewhere, America intervenes if no Americans get hurt, America stays as long as no one else gets hurt? So if Kosovo’s a resounding success, why not Somalia, hmmm? Oh, ‘cause bin Laden’s called for a jihad, so Americans will get hurt. So let’em starve, get raped, tortured and sold into slavery?

I really cannot decipher your position. Can you explain it? Without asking a question?

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Are you sticking by your statement that Almadininjead never said that Israel should be wiped off the map?

Was that a “lie” on your part or just another example of a marked unfamiliarity with the truth?

By getalife

September 19, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

“Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government…”

Thomas Jefferson.

By Thomas

September 19, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

RW —

The dashes are there - look again.

Frankly RW do you think only Republicans are Christians? Can you not get it through your thick brain that there are also a lot of Christian’s that are Democrats? I mean if you truly look at the words of Jesus you might find his teachings are very Liberal in nature. You might even find (ahem) the parts about peace and love.

(Unlike Andy) - there was nowhere in my post that I indicate we should destroy the evil muslim heretics with Nukes and Napalm for their vile acts against us. I simply said they should apologize! And they should! Publicly!

Now if you met Jesus (or someone like him), are you the type of person that would tell that person to clean up his act, cut his hair, wear some decent clothes, get a real job and stop all this foolish talk about peace? Well I suspect many of the GoP would do just that!

Why I bet if Andy met Jesus he’d call him a “Hippie Peace Loving Pinko Communist”.. (lol)

RW — Just remember, GoP does not = GoD

Thomas (No one expects the Inquisition!)

By Paul

September 19, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

rushncap - I think that position is rather consistent and defensible. I don’t get the people who do the body counts in Iraq but say “a few” dead Americans in other situation is okay. Colin Powell’s of the Weinberger camp - former SecDef who laid out clear criteria for intervention - foremost was an overriding American interest. Kosovo was relatively low-risk (and those hatreds go back a thousand years) - but now what we have is “America standing by while black Muslims die, but you’ll intervene to save white Muslims.” I’ve already heard it.
But, I do have trouble with “only losing a few soldiers a day.” That could be 1,000 a year, with and indefinite occupation. I’m nut much for the “stroll down the buffet line and pick what you want” school of intervention.

I’m very suspicious of the mindset exemplified by Madeline Albright to Colin Powell: “What’s the point of having this superb military you’re always talking about if we can’t use it?”

By Freedom of the Republican Press

September 19, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

The Pentagon defended on Monday its months-long detention of an Associated Press photographer in Iraq, asserting that it has authority to imprison him indefinitely without charges because it believes he had improper ties to insurgents.

King George says STFU or he’ll hold you in jail without habeus corpus FOREVER. This is the Republican idea of freedom and democracy in action ! ! !

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

Sounds like Hitler knew that if he could get the rushcaps of the world to run things he could take over with ease.

This is humanly understandable. A shrewd victor will, if possible, always present his demands to the vanquished in installments. And then, with a nation that has lost its character-and this is the case of every one which voluntarily submits-he can be sure that it will not regard one more of these individual oppressions as an adequate reason for taking up arms again. ‘The more extortions are willingly accepted in this way, the more unjustified it strikes people finally to take up the defensive against a new, apparently isolated, though constantly recurring, oppression, especially when, all in all, so much more and greater misfortune has already been borne in patient silence.

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Speaking of lies perpetrated by political parties to get elected.

At least the muli-millionaire Socialist who got caught has a guilty conscience.

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

We had a revolution. Now we have elections.

By getalife

September 19, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

No BD.

I said it was political rhetoric designed to unite the Muslim world.

Do you still believe everything politicians say after all the bs?

My you are gullible, he backtracked to say he wanted Israel to be part of Germany or Europe.

He is all talk like Saddam but smarter.

By getalife

September 19, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

Wow, RW quoting Hitler.

Go figure.

By rushncap

September 19, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

I do not want to appease anyone. I think it’s idiotic to make the situation worse. You seem to think it’s a jolly good idea. His speech certainly will earn the terrorists more recruits. Congratulations, now there are more people who want to kill you. Hope you’re happy.

And I don’t attack women because they’re women. I attack women like Danish or Dusty when they are being morons. Which is constantly. Or do they get a free pass to say what they want without anyone contradicting them because they have a vagina?

Yes, my fascination, as a Jew, with someone being a Hitler Youth is terribly odd. And he did have a choice. He chose the easy way. All those people who hid Jews during WWII also had choices. They chose the hard way.

I’m glad you have no problem with the Pope quoting Mein Kempf. Shows what a disgusting little puke of a person you are. Thanks. I mean, I did not need the reminder, but others on this board could probably use it.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

Thomas,

I generally stay out of the religion discussions here. I think your lecture would be better served by addressing it to the people that are always accusing the Republicans here of being religious zealots and putting down Christianity. It’s them that seem to think only Republicans are Christians and I’ve never understood that position.

Try paying attention once in a while and you’ll have a better chance of being right.

By rushncap

September 19, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

No, Paul, my position is “use your head”. Look at the situation, not at a general rule. Yes, it’s difficult, it’s inconvenient, it requires thinking and analyzing. Painfull, all. But necessary. In Kosovo we gained a lot and lost very little. In Iraq we gained almost nothing and lost a whole lot. And not just us, the people in those regions as well. I personally think we should have stayed in Somalia, but we didn’t. Iraq had “disaster” written all over it from the beginning, yet we went ahead.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Why would you have a problem with the Pope, or anyone for that matter, quoting Mein Kampf to show a danger things in it pose if we allow ourselves to pretend we can appease our way to peace?

As long as fanatical Muslims are doing conversions by the sword it should be pointed out loudly and clearly every single day. When moderate Muslims start facing the problem in their midst we can solve the problem. We will never get them to face it if we keep quiet so as not to offend anyone and then blame the messenger when someone does speak up.

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

Somebody’s been watching NBC:

By Thomas September 19, 2006 01:40 PM Now if you met Jesus (or someone like him), are you the type of person that would tell that person to clean up his act, cut his hair, wear some decent clothes, get a real job and stop all this foolish talk about peace?

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Jesus the one who tore down the moneychanger’s stalls in the Temple?

And stood up to the heretics for a woman who was sentenced to be stoned to death for adultery, same as George Bush is doing by fighting the religious fanatics in the Middle East?

You libs should really lay off the shrooms.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

rushncap

What the hell did we gain from Kosovo? Please don’t start with Muslim goodwill.

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

Ah, the essence of feminism:

By rushncap September 19, 2006 01:48 PM And I don’t attack women because they’re women. I attack women like Danish or Dusty when they are being morons. Which is constantly. Or do they get a free pass to say what they want without anyone contradicting them because they have a vagina?

Did you copy that, girls?

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

RW,

Like all good Leftists apparently rushncap wants to erase the past and never refer to it.

According to these rules, it is not permissable to quote evil men even when the purpose of the quote is to demonstrate, as an historical fact, how easy it is for evil to flourish among those who have been “vanquished in installments”.

By Republican Tri-fecta

September 19, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The Iraqi government said Tuesday it will shut down all offices belonging to the Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK, around the country.

Government spokesman Ali Al-Dabagh said the decision was made during a Cabinet meeting because ” Iraq wants good relations with Turkey and all neighboring countries, so the Iraqi government has decided to close any office belonging to the PKK in Iraq.”

Well, the Iraqi Shiites and the Sunnis are writhing in a civil war of Republican making. Why not make it a tri-fecta and include the Kurds, too?

By rushncap

September 19, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

RW, we gained a bunch of people who are alive. Sorry, that’s not oil, but I happen to be kinda happy about it.

Question: was the Pope reading that quote to demonstrate that it’s reprehensible? Yes or no?

By Paul

September 19, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

Fair point, rushncap. I do think we never should have gone into Somalia in the first place and should not go back. The suffering is terrible, but we’d become another magnet for jihadists. Going into situations like that is what the UN is for - but it’s asking the crooks to guard the store - . And within a short time of withdrawing from Kosovo the violence will start again. I’m not willing to leave American troops scattered about indefinitely.

Colonel David Hackworth - until he died a couple years ago was the highest decorated living soldier - pretty much detested by many of the senior military leadership (the feeling was mutual)was stationed there as a 17-year old right after WWII. Interesting perspective. Said (this was sarcastic, all you literalists out there) that the only was to bring peace to the area was to kill the grandmothers - because they are the ones who picked up the infants and began reciting all the stories of hatred and injustice to perpetuate the conflict.

Speaking of which, if the US wanted to start a good effort, they’d work through the UN or impose economic penalties, and work to shut down the Moslem madrassas schools. The Moslem equivalent of the Kosovo gransmothers. But hey, the Saudi and other governments fund those schools. Nothing’s ever easy.

By Allaina

September 19, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

I’ve missed the opportunity to post here within the last couple of days Mr. Luckovich. I think everyone here would agree that the moderate Muslims need to address the violence of the radical faction of Islam.

I watched an interview of a Muslim spokesperson here in the states. He was asked why moderate Muslims were not more outspoken. He said that they were preaching against Jihad within their mosques.

I’d like to see them do more public speaking on the issue. If they stay within their mosques, it leaves us to wonder.

When you think of it in the context of how liberals are always telling Christians to restrict their faith within the walls of their places of worship, it presents a contradiction in terms.

Christians, be quiet. Muslims, speak out.

Liberals will forever confuse me.

What should the Pope do? What should Christians do? What should moderate Muslims do?

By Dusty

September 19, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this

Well rushncap

I don’t attack men like you just because you are male (at least, you might be). I attack you because you are truly one insulting, supercritical, self-inflated and thoughtless person. Let’s start with that.

You want the president to compliment, by making compromises and giving credence to, a man who wants to destoy Israel.

And since you mentioned that you are Jewish, may I remind you that Israel is full of Jews. If you don’t care, the president does. He knows “moving” Jews means removing them.

OK, Stupid, (since you like to call me moron), try being loyal to the US so that we can tell it. That would be a welcome change we’d all appreciate.

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Are you the sole determiner of what is BS from Ahmadinijead and what should be taken seriously?

Can we agree that the nutjob should not be allowed to have nuclear weapons?

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

What’s your position on abortion then?

You really should read this.

By Huge

September 19, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

“The murdering that you claim Clinton stopped, are you claiming that Reagan and/or Bush started this since that is THE ONE thing you can find to answer the question?”

RW, your anger and emotions are clouding your ability to see. If you even somewhat carefully read my post you’d be embarrassed to note: “The only thing I can think of at the moment noteworthy in regards to (Clinton’s) foreign policy was the Oslo Accords.”

So now you can scamble around and find out everything wrong with them.

You just chose to cherry pick what you didn’t agree with. As you know, this happens a great deal here, especially with those vested solely in the desire to be “right” at any cost. Jefferson talked about being a slave to ones ideas. Your question appears to be rhetorical, and is pretty silly, but if you require an answer - no, I’m not claiming RR and 41 started the Balkan War.

Paul,

Granted, I see your point that Clinton set several precedents including with bucking the UN - who later the gop and its talking heads in the run up to “regime change” were to call “irrelevant” - and the EU - who, the neo-con hawks claim is completely commie infested anyway.

And your question, “…what should be America’s criteria for military intervention. Let alone unilateral, with a couple of allies, or as part of a UN force.” is spot on. And begs more discussion and “answers” from our leaders in DC.

“Just because there’s injustice does not mean America has a strategic interest that requires intervention.”

I absolutely agree. There’s a fine line between being THE shining beacon of freedom and war mongering. But hey, we have an entire economy heavily reliant upon if not completely based upon a military-industrial complex!

The uber-haters just keep wasting theirs and everyone else’s time and keep trying to perfect their already impressive insult skills and “coining” infantile sobriquets. That along with excessive cutting and pasting are their contributions here.

Is it any wonder that other than two or so like-minded far right wing fanatics and extremists, virtually EVERYBODY else here doesn’t take them seriously at all?

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 02:27 PM | Link to this

By Stupid Pointless Yahoo Spammer September 19, 2006 01:42 PM The Pentagon defended on Monday its months-long detention of an Associated Press photographer in Iraq, spam, spam, spam.. King George says STFU or he’ll hold you in jail without habeus corpus FOREVER. This is the Republican idea of freedom and democracy in action ! ! !

Here is the “photographer” that the spammer/ blog slower is sticking up for:

Head chopper’s personal picture taker

Now, let’s take a vote, is the spammer/ blog slower an Al Qaeda operative or is it just a stupid person?

By steve-o

September 19, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

Your cartoon would have been much better had His Holiness been addressing a crowd of Muslims armed to the teeth with their Russian and Chinese weaponry, perhaps one of them holding a bloody head recently removed from its owners body and chanting “We all are peaceful, you infidel bastard!” , while foam drips from all of their mouths. (I really can paint a good visualization there with just words can’t I? Too bad you are not similarly talented with actually drawing something)

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Andy,

He’s an Al Qaeda operative by being stupid, so I’ll go with both.

By Dusty

September 19, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

Huge,

If you think anyone is paying attention to your verbose, lengthy scripts of self adulation, think again. Some one may give you some breathless baaawhhas of approval in the usual liberal bleat, but don’t let it go to your head.

We have some very thoughtful commentators here who are conservative. Because they expose the disloyal underside of extrme liberals, you do not like them. Too bad. The truth does hurt, doesn’t it.

Stop knocking the country, the president and conservatives, especially those who blog here with good logic.

You too can learn to write concisely and support your country. You are not doing it now.

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

Trust me, I was surprised I made it this far without dozing off:

By Hugocrite September 19, 2006 02:24 PM The uber-haters just keep wasting theirs and everyone else’s time and keep trying to perfect their already impressive insult skills and “coining” infantile sobriquets.

Which is exactly what the hugocrite is doing.

Are these clowns so full of themselves that their eyes are bulging shut and they can’t see how silly they are?

By RE

September 19, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

I actually read Andy’s link today about the AP photographer being held in Iraq.

Interesting, using Malkin as a source, but all the information seemed to be accurate. So it seems that this guy is being held for having contacts with insurgents in Iraq. His job was to develop contacts with insurgents in order to take thier pictures for the news. So he was detained for successfully doing the job he was paid to do.

Anyone know what type of law exists in Iraq right now? Apparently this guy is being held without charges, but is not allowed to be held by the iraq government. So the democratically elected government (remember the purple figures) with it’s unity constitution is not allowed to try or charge Iraq citizens detained in Iraq.

Really, if anyone has any clue, what is the current standard of law in Iraq right now?

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Huge,

I thought you were joking about Oslo. So according to you Clinton achieved a peaceful resolution to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict six months into his Presidency. Why was he ignoring Bin Laden and parading Arafat around the White House still trying to solve it until he finally gave up and started his pardonfest seven and a half years later?

Funny thing about the Oslo Accords is they grew out of the Madrid conference in 1991. Looks like Bush 41 teed that one up for you too.

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this

“Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

Seems simple enough to understand:

What Islam has wrought.

Any questions?

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

RE! Is it visitor’s day at Bellevue?

By RE September 19, 2006 02:44 PM Really, if anyone has any clue, what is the current standard of law in Iraq right now?

Maybe it could be martial law, dumna-ss?

They are at war after all.

By bon scott

September 19, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Paul and Huge get today’s ‘measured debate’ citation. The world ain’t black and white. Kosovo is not Somalia is not Iraq. Or Iran or Panama. There’s a big difference between playing the coalition card (Kosovo) and the cowboy card (Iraq).

Paul, your warning about the madrasas in Saudia Arabia, Syria, Pakistan and other Muslim nations should be framed. Why the US turns a blind eye to these schools supported by the governments of our ‘friends’ frightens me. These people are not our friends.

By You’re Right, Where Is America? - September 19, 2006 02:01 PM - Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Jesus the one who tore down the moneychanger’s stalls in the Temple?

Hmmmm… Thomas says you’d probably hate Jesus for being a pinko peacenik, and your answer is this??

Let’s see… we could start with the tables staffed by Halliburton… move on to the defense contractors and the oil conglomorates… ya know, all the noble capitalists who see Iraq (and Iran?) as tickets to obscene wealth.

Forget the shrooms! Somebody’s been drinking again!

By Dis'em

September 19, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Shiite @@, how cumz ya’ duzn’t comeback likes ya’ dun wit da “Inbred Inertia” mo’e often. ‘S coo’, bro. When youse on, ya’ is on honky chick.

I live t’read yo’ disrespect. Man!

By Edwin Williams

September 19, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

It is amazing to me that liberals like Luckovich and the cabal at the AJC will jump to criticize the Pope, but shy from slamming the vile radical Islamofascists who have burned churches and even killed a nun - rather making the point of the Byzantine Emperor who was quoted by the Pope. Muhammed did indeed start his religion with a Jihad. Islam has NEVER just been a religious movement. It has always been a political movement as well and there is no separation of religion and state as in most modern Christian countries. Turkey is the only “secular” Muslim state in the modern world. The danger to Western Civilization is Islam and the anti-western appeasers like the liberals who attack the Pope or the President or anyone else who dares to stand up to our enemies!

By Lord Help Us

September 19, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

Man, maybe we should compare Kosovo with Iraq. I mean look what leading conservatives at the time had to say…

President Clinton is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation’s armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy.”

-Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA)

“No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That’s why I’m against it.”

-Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/5/99

“American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy.”

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

“If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy.”

-Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of presidential candidate George W. Bush

“You think Vietnam was bad? Vietnam is nothing next to Kosovo.”

-Tony Snow, Fox News 3/24/99

“I’m on the Senate Intelligence Committee, so you can trust me and believe me when I say we’re running out of cruise missles. I can’t tell you exactly how many we have left, for security reasons, but we’re almost out of cruise missles.”

-Senator Inhofe (R-OK )

“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today”

-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

Huge Hugocrite,

Great job proving what a Huge Phony you are…again.

Why don’t you stop with all the boring preambles and just get to the point of your delusions:

You hate, but you’re not a hater.

rushncap,

You think that the Hitler YOUTH (do I need to define the word for you?) should be held responsible for all eternity, even if they have found redemption (like the Pope) but YOU are too big a coward to conduct a War on Terrorism and Islamofascism as a so-called ADULT.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

I think bonnie-bigot’s “measured debate” citation, which he awards to one liberal that does nearly nothing but call names and one poster who truly is offering measured debate, should have a name. How about “The Finchie?”

By bon scott

September 19, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

So the diseased Malkin (I read the link, too) thinks that photographer Bilal Hussein was an Islamic terrorist propagandist. RE makes the observation that maybe Bilal Hussein was just doing his job in Iraq.

Given the diseased Malkin’s rep for randomly condemning even casual bystanders as Islamofascists, I think RE has a point.

Either bring charges against the guy and put him on trial so he can defend himself, or release him. This is what civilized nations do, and it earns respect.

Don’t hold him (or the hundreds at Guantanamo) without charges indefinitely, refusing to show him the evidence against him, or even allowing him to meet with a lawyer, much less actually try him.

This is what fascist totalitian governments do, and it tends to generate fear and hatred.

This is not a difficult concept.

By Mike

September 19, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

“WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush’s approval rating has rebounded to 44 percent, the highest level in a year, in the latest USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, the newspaper reported on Tuesday.”

Wow, you’d think the AJC would cover this like they covered Bush’s poll numbers “plummeting”. Of course, the AJC only harps on news that helps Democrats, so you won’t see that story here.

Kind of like the “skyrocketing” gas prices story that the AJC flogged when it was useful to Democrats. Of course you see no stories about gas prices “plummeting” because it will help Republicans.

The “Manufacture of Dissent” continues.

By Dusty

September 19, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

Lord Help Us,

If you must cut’n’paste long liberal info, please try to find SOMETHING LATER THAN 1999 COMMENTS. This is 2006. Remember?

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

What do you suppose rushncap thinks of Robert Byrd?

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

Whew!

I just changed all the webpages where I check my stocks and mutuals from Yahoo! to Quote.com.

F Yahoo!

By Lord Help Us

September 19, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

Crusty,

Unfortunately the topic at hand (the war in Kosovo) happened a number of years ago…

And, this is not ‘liberal info.’ In fact these are actual quotes from CONSERVATIVES.

Which one are you thinking is liberal? Hannity? He IS part of the MSM you know…

By bon scott

September 19, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

By Dusty - September 19, 2006 03:17 PM - If you must cut’n’paste long liberal info, please try to find SOMETHING LATER THAN 1999 COMMENTS. This is 2006. Remember?

This is an extremely odd criticism from someone who salivates every time quotes from Clinton or Albright or Berger from 1998 or 1999 on the “Iraq menace” are posted here.

What’s good for the goose and all that…

By Mike

September 19, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

bon scott -

You miss the point entirely. The Clinton/Berger/Gore quotes are used to illustrate that most American leaders publicly stated their belief that Saddam had WMD and that he was a threat. That is relevant when you try to accuse Bush of being a liar regarding the same claims.

Sorry that you are so confused. But hey, you’re a liberal, what do you expect?

LOL

By RE

September 19, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

About the democratically elected free republic of Iraq, does anyone know if they are allowed to sign treaties with other countries, it looks like Iran is wanting to contribute to the peacekeeping force, and the iraqi pm seemed happy to accept. You know, I have heard pundits say they want the war in Iraq to become multinational, I do not think they were hoping for help from Iran

By Collin

September 19, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

bon scott, Aren’t you the same guy who pi*sed his pants when Pakistan loosed former Taliban prisoners? Some of them claimed to be innocent you know. Their lawyers claimed that they had been held too long without formal charges. So which is it brain cramp. Argument for convenience sake or argument on consistency? With you it’s the former with the latter being your tendency to pick at your scabs.

Luckovich, You certainly do like to play with fire. This cartoon reduces the level of dissent to surrender for the Pope, but not for you. You’re an unbelievable hypocrite.

By RE

September 19, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

“Iran supports the the Iraqi government that has been created by the Iraqi people’s votes and strengthening a united and independent Iraq is in the interest of all the region,” said Ahmadinejad.

“We completely support our brothers in the parliament and government of Iraq,” he added.

Coalition of the willing gets a new member!

By steve-o

September 19, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

You people need to take a minute and b-r-e-a-t-h-e. Only problem with that is, with the wildly foaming at the mouth liberals, it is truly a waste of good air.

By Lord Help Us

September 19, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Whoa!! Steve-o, you sliced me up good with your linguistic jujitsu there…

Man, you conservatives are tough. Oh no…I soiled myself…

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

Bon Scott,

In reference to your approval of Paul’s comments, apparently YOUR grandmother taught YOU to revere Socialism.

Why did this country stand by and let THAT happen?

Chirp chirp.

By getalife

September 19, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

The Pope had a chance to promote peace and call on the Muslim clerics to do the same but the Nazi in him reared ts ugly mindset just like the wingnuts.

By getalife

September 19, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

I told you the FBI had better things to do RW

By Dusty

September 19, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

Lord Help Us,

Did I mention liberals or did I say UPDATE? You sound amazingly like Getalife, right down to cute name calling. I think your mentality is much the same. My sympathy.

BonScott,

I don’t salivate over anybody. As to your poor wording, we do not have an Iraq Menace except the liberals who want to cut’n’run all the time. They “menace” our military.

“Good for the goose”? How about “foolery from the finch?” We get so much of it.

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

By getalife September 19, 2006 04:00 PM The Pope had a chance to promote peace and call on the Muslim clerics to do the same

That IS what the Pope said.

It’s true that his speech wasn’t about deviant sexual behaviour, so you libs weren’t able to hang till the end, so I guess you wouldn’t know what he said.

Except, of course, the Al Qaeda propoganda that you were tuned into at CNN and the Al Jazeera constipation.

By Huge

September 19, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

So at 2:40 the last of the posse of knuckleheads chimes in! I would have wagered on it. (They’re so predictable!)

I always find it comical when someone who is supposedly not paying attention to me writes: If you think anyone is paying attention to your verbose, lengthy scripts of self adulation, think again”! How obviously and beautifully idiotic!

You know Dusty it really, truly pains me to say this, but after reading you for the past few months, I’ve come to the undeniable conclusion that you are probably the most fascistic American I have ever communicated with.

Like a little Hitler Jugend, you constantly and childishly keep harping and moaning about people not supporting America. You’re either too stupid or lazy to see that in a democracy people are sometimes very pro American even though they completely disagree with your otherwise always perfect platitudes.

You would just love to impose your ideas over all aspects of American life, wouldn’t you? If you had your way there would be one allowed political, social, cultural, and economic viewpoint. No dissension would be tolerated and would be eliminated by brutal police and militias.

Listen up! Patriotism is not always pretty. It’s not all waving the flag and fourth of july parades like you seem to think in your rose colored world. It gets dirty and if you’re too misguided and prissy for it, fine. Just know real patriots laugh at you every time you blather on about it!

RW, man you are two for two on this ongoing debate. I said the Oslo Accords were noteworthy and you say “So according to you Clinton achieved a peaceful resolution to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict six months into his Presidency.” Are you just being obtuse today or have you blown a gasket?

Thanks bon scott. As you know around here measured debate is damn near impossible! And today is no different!

“Why don’t you stop with all the boring preambles and just get to the point of your delusions”

VD, I know you like things that are very, very, very simple, so just take your ritalin and try to follow along with the big boys and girls…

By rushncap

September 19, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

Danish, I’m glad that Pope found “redemption”. I prefer my moral leaders without ties to Nazi ideology, however. People like the Dalai Lama, or Gordon Hinkley. But that’s just me, ya know?

RW, I read your article. Great argument: “secularists don’t understand Christianity”. Wow. Deep.

By getalife

September 19, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

Man, ya’ll have “finchphobia”. He really bashed you bad and you can’t get over it.

Bwhahahahahaha!

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

Hugocrite is just as much of a “patriot” as he is “civil.”

Hehehehe.

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

Isn’t that pretty neat, though?

I can make the same exact point that hugocrite made and leave out all the foam, blather, pomp and circumstance.

1 sentence versus a work of fiction.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

Huge,

So now you are down to one noteworthy thing. I bet Clinton’s glad you aren’t writing his legacy.

getalife,

Wow! They are having to put 37 FBI agents on that division because they aren’t being handled by local field offices anymore. Your staggering ignorance notwithstanding, maybe they can free up these guys.

Do you have any idea how many agents the FBI has?

By Cal

September 19, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

I would like to extend my gratitude to the Muslims for their display of radical facism in the wake of the Pope’s comments. The enemy is ugly and unyielding. Americans are watching it on T.V. and saying to themselves.

Gee! Do the dems have the gonads to deal with this? Nancy Pelosi? After a very short pause, their answer is?

Hell no! I’ll have to go with the (R) party even if I was having second thoughts.

The price the wishy-washy-weak-kneed dems will have to pay. A sacrifice that will be greatly appreciated.

By Scooter

September 19, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

ml, did you purposefully show the Pope’s cartoon of Mohhamed facing away, as not to show the illustration, out of fear of peacefel muslims?

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

No one is asking you to choose the Pope as your “moral leader”. Just to recognize the fact that his conversion to Hitler Youth was a gun point conversion.

By Scooter

September 19, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

Whooops!

ml, did you purposefully show the Pope’s cartoon of Mohamed facing away, as not to show the illustration, out of fear of peaceful Muslims?

May Allah (peace be upon him) forgive me for spelling Mohammed’s name wrong.

By Dusty

September 19, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this

Gosh, Huge, more lengthy scripts of self adulation. Please. Fan yourself with all the heavy breathing you are doing.

If I am the most “fascistic”American you have ever read, the country is in good shape. And if patriotism is not pretty for you, try supporting the country and it will look better. Your way of doing it is painful to all of us.

By rushncap

September 19, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

Wow, Dusty, speaking of “self adultation”. Pot.

By Paul

September 19, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish: this is fascinating. What in my remarks struck you as approval of socialism (not that I’m supporting/disapproving of socialism, just wondered what in a discussion of geopolitics strikes you as socialist)?

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this

Tax “cuts” for the rich, eh?

WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- The U.S. government recorded record-high overall and corporate tax receipts on Sept. 15, which was a quarterly deadline for tax payments, the Treasury said Monday. Total tax receipts were $85.8 billion on Friday, compared with the previous one-day record of $71 billion on Sept. 15 of last year, the Treasury said.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

I’ve never once seen Dusty patting herself on the back around here.

The us vs. them story was for everyone, the question above it was for you. I guess you didn’t want to answer that one since it sort of blows your whole sanctimonious Kosovo accomplishment idea.

By getalife

September 19, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

Wow Dusty,

You just admitted you are a good little Nazi.

I suspected the obvious but did not think you would ever admit to being a fascist.

Thanks for being honest.

By Leslie

September 19, 2006 05:15 PM | Link to this

When the going gets tough, the liberals want the Pope to shut up. The pansy-a$$ liberals are peeing in their shoes over this one.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this

Republican Senator compares the newest Democrat party icon to Hitler

By bon scott

September 19, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this

By Collin - September 19, 2006 03:43 PM - bon scott, Aren’t you the same guy who pi*sed his pants when Pakistan loosed former Taliban prisoners? Some of them claimed to be innocent, you know.

So Pakistan should have held hearings and then either jailed them or freed them. Likewise with this news photographer. Hold a hearing and either jail him or free him.

Trouble with the whole habeas corpus concept?

By Mike - September 19, 2006 03:38 PM - bon scott - You miss the point entirely. The Clinton/Berger/Gore quotes are used to illustrate that most American leaders publicly stated their belief that Saddam had WMD and that he was a threat. That is relevant when you try to accuse Bush of being a liar regarding the same claims. Sorry that you are so confused. But hey, you’re a liberal, what do you expect?

I certainly expect more from a conservative. But not, sadly, from an ignorant neocon.

In 2001 (before 9/11) both Secretary of State Cowell and National Security Advisor Conzoleeza Rice said Saddam Hussein’s Iraq had no WMDs and was not a threat.

Iraq had essentially disarmed between 1998 and 2001. It wasn’t until after 9/11, when Cheney and Rumsfeld were desperately looking for an excuse to invade Iraq, that the “evidence” to justify military action was invented.

Any questions?

By Huge

September 19, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this

“And if patriotism is not pretty for you, try supporting the country and it will look better.”

Golly Gee! OK, I’ll dress it up with flowers and a pretty bonnett.

It’s like talking to a doorknob…

Paul, I too am completely baffled by the accusation that you’re a commie! She has been known to go off of the deep end and drink the kool aid regularly though about this topic, so there’s no telling. McCarthyism is alive and well here in Atlanta!

RW, I’ll bet he is too! It wouldn’t be very flattering! But I can’t even begin to imagine what I would write about this one’s legacy! What would you???

By rushncap

September 19, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

I have no idea what question you’re talking about, RW. Believe it or not, I don’t read every post on here.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

Did “Cowell” say that on American Idol or something?

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

It was on the same post as the link so it shouldn’t have been too hard to find, but then again it’s you we’re dealing with.

By @@

September 19, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

What ever happened to the legal argument, “Possession is 9/10ths of the law?”

Sorry everybody. This just struck me as sad & funny at the same time. Maybe he should have just cut off his wife.

By rushncap

September 19, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

You mean the abortion question? It was not germane to the topic at hand, and I don’t have nearly enough time to engage in that one as well, so I ignored it.

Happy?

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

Huge,

It’s a little early to write the history of something in the present, don’t you think?

One thing we know is that he took an economy that his predecessor put into recession, got hit by 9/11, and got the economy roaring again. This time on solid ground instead of riding the technology bubble that everyone with half a brain knew wasn’t sustainable because software was going to very quickly replace the humans.

Most other things we won’t fully know until way into the future. This isn’t CSI you know.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

You said our accomplishment in Kosovo was simply that more people were alive that wouldn’t have been. My question was plenty germane to that line of reasoning.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

GMA using phony Republicans to tell you how disillusioned they are, say it ain’t so!

It’s going to be sweet on Nov. 7th when we get to count the votes of real people, instead of listening to you libs with your phony polls and now trotting out fake Republicans too.

By rushncap

September 19, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this

No, RW, it wasn’t. Which is why I did not answer it.

By Huge

September 19, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this

RW, I’m really surprised at your answer. I’m no economist, and neither are you - just two businessmen, but I do believe that the president’s influence on the nation’s economy is almost always enormously exaggerated in either good times or bad. There are dozens of other much more influential factors than who’s arse is sitting in the west wing!

But I’m sure you’d agree the first six years of this administration have been a doozy!

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 06:19 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Listen dumba-ss I’m not going to push for an answer because I don’t want to start that whole thing up either, but you can’t say people are alive that wouldn’t be is a good thing in Kosovo and immaterial in the US. The reason they are dead or alive shouldn’t have any bearing, just that they are or aren’t.

Huge,

Did you notice that I said the economy had been riding the technology bubble and went into recession? Tax policy was the single most important part of fixing that.

I didn’t say Bubba’s Software Shack went out of business, but Bush’s Lumber yard came along to pick up the pieces.

By getalife

September 19, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

Fool me once, Iraq is a threat.

Fool me twice, Iran is a threat.

Not so fast my w, should have been right the first time.

Not all of us are fools like your base of ignorant, gullible wingnuts.

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 06:25 PM | Link to this

Paul,

I agreed with your remarks. There was nothing in there that was an approval of Socialism.

The dilemna is how do we forcibly stop extremist “ideas” from forming. As I recall Joe Mc Carthy’s attempts to expose, and hopefully quell, Communism were met with outrage from the Left and similar attempts to even IDENTIFY Islamofascism are met with cries of “McCarthyism!!!!”

My snarky comments to “Bon Scott” (The Sandinistas best friend) were meant to be “ironic”. I grant you it was a bit obtuse and I apologize for not making it clear that I was not disagreeing with anything you said.

By rushncap

September 19, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this

RW, you can squak all you want. I’m not getting into an abortion debate. Talk to you shrink about how you feel about it for all I care. The abortion debate has nothing to do with our foreign policy or anything else we’ve been talking about, so deal with it.

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

“McCarthyism is alive and well here in Atlanta!”

Huge Bloviator proves my point once again!

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Here’s what you said was our accomplishment in Kosovo:

{{{{{By rushncap September 19, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this RW, we gained a bunch of people who are alive. Sorry, that’s not oil, but I happen to be kinda happy about it.}}}}}

Do you care about people being alive or not? If you want to simply retract that Kosovo remark you can still go to the Code Pink meeting later.

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 06:40 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

Re your justification for Kosovo, if you don’t want to venture into the abortion issue, how about thinking about how the policies of our President are saving lives here in America?

Going into Kosovo pre 9/11 is one thing. What about preventing mass Islamocide directed at people like you and me who had the good fortune to be born?

To the best of my recollection, as a knee-jerk lib, you have opposed every attempt our President has made to protect the lives of Americans.

By Collin

September 19, 2006 06:52 PM | Link to this

bon scott, So now it’s an argument for convenience sake. When it was convenient to oppose the war effort, you claimed those prisoners in Pakistan shouldn’t have been released. Today you wanted to bash Bush, so the suspected AP reporter should be released. Same circumstances, different flop from you.

Pick your scabs bon scott, it’ll be you that suffers from the loss of blood. Looking at your inability to commit to any firm stance, I’m surprised you’re still standing at all.

I’ve never expected anything but non-commitment from a liberal anyway. It’s a mental deficiency.

By Huge

September 19, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

“As I recall Joe Mc Carthy’s attempts to expose, and hopefully quell, Communism were met with outrage from the Left”

Every once in a while you’ll see some outrageous attempt at spinning, sanitizing or revising history, but this is just plain old fashioned gop lunacy!

Expose and quell?!! How about witch hunt?! How about you stop “recalling”?!

From one of her favorite sources, Wiki:

“During this time people in a variety of situations, primarily those employed in government, in the entertainment industry or in education, were accused of being Communists or communist sympathizers and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before various government or privately run panels, committees and agencies. Suspicions were often given credence despite inconclusive or questionable evidence, and the level of threat posed by a person’s real or supposed leftist associations or beliefs was often greatly exaggerated. Many people suffered loss of employment, destruction of their careers, and even imprisonment. Most of these punishments came about through trial verdicts that would later be overturned,[1] laws that would later be declared unconstitutional,[2] and dismissals for reasons that would be later declared illegal.

This crazy thing sure has some grade A extra large a*******holes for heroes!!!

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Your scenario may be better, because we really don’t know if any extra Kosovars are alive than would have been had we not carpet bombed from 50,000 feet. I’m just playing along with rushncap’s premise.

When we throw abortion into the equation we are talking about 25,000,000+ that we know could have been alive and aren’t.

By getalife

September 19, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

How can the right wing go from “Osama’s no big deal. He’s just one guy, killing or capturing him won’t make that much of a difference,”

To…

“If Bill Clinton would have killed or captured Bin Laden when he had the chance 9-11 never would have happened?”

So, which is it?

By Samuel E.

September 19, 2006 07:06 PM | Link to this

Mike - I didn’t know a progressive like yourself would encounter free speech from the Pope with such disdain.

I try not to associate with too many liberals though. They always seem irrate and want to shout people down.

It looks like you support that behavior.

By RW-(the original)

September 19, 2006 07:08 PM | Link to this

Huge,

While you’re trolling around Wiki see if you see how any of those Hollywood or education types were affected by McCarthy. His hearings were only ferreting out government officials and he turned out to be right.

By You're Right, Where Is America?

September 19, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

This is the sum result of the Hollywood blacklisting done by McCarthy:

Blacklisted writers, such as Walter Bernstein, Abraham Polonsky, and Lester Cole had a very difficult time finding work and trying to survive during the period of the blacklist.

And they could have avoided this by denouncing communism.

I’m not saying McCarthy was right or wrong, all I’m saying is that hugocrite is full of sh-it.

By Buy Danish

September 19, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

Huge Infant,

Here’s a little reading on Mc Carthyism to keep you occupied for awhile until your next tantrum.

Isn’t it wonderful to be able to look back years later at historical events?

BTW, did you know that President Kennedy was a big fan of Joe McCarthy? I learned that from reading a book by….Chris Matthews.