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DEL.ICIO.USANOTHER CONSERVATIVE TURNS ON W
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
this time it’s christopher buckley
Bob Woodward asked Bush 43 if he had consulted his father before invading Iraq. The son replied that he had consulted a higher father. That frisson you feel going up your spine is the realization that he meant it. And apparently the higher father said, Go for it! There are those of us who wish he had consulted his terrestrial one; or, if he couldnt get him on the line, Brent Scowcroft. Or Jim Baker. Or Henry Kissinger. Or, for that matter, anyone who has read a book about the British experience in Iraq. (18,000 dead.)
Who knew, in 2000, that ‘compassionate conservatism’ meant bigger government, unrestricted government spending, government intrusion in personal matters, government ineptitude, and cronyism in disaster relief? Who knew, in 2000, that the only bill the president would veto, six years later, would be one on funding stem-cell research? A more accurate term for Mr. Bush’s political philosophy might be incontinent conservatism….
Despite the failures, one had the sense that the party at least knew in its heart of hearts that these were failures, either of principle or execution. Today one has no sense, aside from a slight lowering of the swagger-mometer, that the president or the Republican Congress is in the least bit chastened by their debacles. George Tenet’s WMD ‘slam-dunk,’ Vice President Cheney’s ‘we will be greeted as liberators,’ Don Rumsfeld’s avidity to promulgate a minimalist military doctrine, together with the tidy theories of a group who call themselves ‘neo-conservative’ (not one of whom, to my knowledge, has ever worn a military uniform), have thus far: de-stabilized the Middle East; alienated the world community from the United States; empowered North Korea, Iran, and Syria; unleashed sectarian carnage in Iraq among tribes who have been cutting each others’ throats for over a thousand years; cost the lives of 2,600 Americans, and the limbs, eyes, organs, spinal cords of another 15,000 — with no end in sight. But not to worry: Democracy is on the march in the Middle East….
What have they done to my party? Where does one go to get it back? One place comes to mind: the back benches. It’s time for a time-out. Time to hand over this sorry enchilada to Hillary and Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden and Charlie Rangel and Harry Reid, who has the gift of being able to induce sleep in 30 seconds….
My fellow Republicans, it is time, as Madison said in Federalist 76, to Hand over the tiller of governance, that others may mess things up for a change.
Comments
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By Shawny
September 13, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this
I don’t remember a Lucko posting years back saying another lib turns on Clinton. Why this post? Are you not a cartoonist, or have you become an biased opinion editor as well? Don’t answer…we all know.
By GWB = A-hole
September 13, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this
Shawny,
Why can’t you grasp a simple concept.
Your beloved Pres is a liar, a fool, and an embarassment to the majority of the country.
Deal with it. Or better yet, move.
By rushncap
September 13, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this
Heh, never knew Mike was a Republican. So there are some left who actually look at reality. Wow. There may yet be hope for this party.
Shawny, this is called an “editorial cartoon”. The “editorial” part means that the cartoonist has an opinion. Deal with it.
By Billy
September 13, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this
I don’t remember a Lucko posting years back saying another lib turns on Clinton. Why this post? Are you not a cartoonist, or have you become an biased opinion editor as well? Don’t answer…we all know.
Perhaps that’s because Clinton never caused thousands of deaths. Perhaps that’s because Clinton was smart and personable, not given to smirking at those who disagreed with him. Perhaps that’s because Clinton, despite any personal faults, was actually good for our country…
By Buffalo Bob
September 13, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this
Shawny, this is called the editorial page - meaning even the cartoonists have a politcal bent.
And instead of answering the question, why do you focus on the past, and the possibility that is isn’t fair that he didn’t say the same about Clinton, in fact what does Clinton have to do with this?
This is a conservative, worried about the direction of his beloved party under its current leadership, and you immediately attempt to avoid the question and spin it towrds a right/left debate.
How sad you are, to be so programmed in your thought processes. You’ve responded exactly as they have taught you to.
By Buffalo Bob
September 13, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this
Rushncap,
You are mistaken, the language quoted is from conservative Christopher Buckley.
By rushncap
September 13, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
Wow, thanks Bob. Did not realize that. Mike shoulda used quotation marks, or something.
By getalife
September 13, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this
Here is a Republican telling the truth with no spin
Mike, it is a mess and we need honest, competent leadership to clean it up.
By Dusty
September 13, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this
I tell you what. Let’s let Luckovich do editorials and Bookman do cartoons. Bookman can’t draw and Luckovich can only quote others. But nobody will tell the difference. Liberals will say it is wonderful without even looking. Thus goeth the AJC to liberal lala land without a bit of professionalism. Just liberal propaganda.
By Peter
September 13, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this
He didn’t have to use quotation marks. It’s the first line of the column.
“this time it’s christopher buckley”
I used quotation marks because I’m quoting Luc.
By GWB = A-hole
September 13, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this
IT’S ALL CLINTON’S FAULT
HE’LL DO ANYTHING TO GET HIS WIFE ELECTED PRESIDENT
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
By Midori
September 13, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this
Typical Crusty.
Nothing intelligent to add.
Stuck on stupid.
By Buffalo Bob
September 13, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this
Interesting. Another apparent conservative responds by not answering or even mentioning the topic - but instead calls it liberal propaganda. When, again, the blog is about a well-known conservative who disagrees with the current party that represents him.
Much like Zell Miller”s “I didn’t leave the Democratic party, the democratic party left me.” It seems Buckley is saying, “I didn’t leave the Republican party, the Republican party left me.”
What gives two conservatives and neither broach the subject of the blog - just try and start the hate fest.
By Peter
September 13, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this
Aren’t you guys kind of tired of blaming liberals for everything? Hell, the party has controlled all three branches of government for the past six years.
The majority of the country doesn’t feel positive about the future of the republic. That’s OUR fault.
We’ve ripped the Sunni curtain that was holding down the most radical Shia’. The President of the United States has to sneak into the country but the prime minister of Iran can visit Ayatollah Sistani with not even a worry. Something’s wrong there.
This isn’t partisan, it’s the survival of the nation. Any moderate Arab leader (read Sunni) is now outside of the mainline Arab thought. We brought that on, stop blaming the Dems.
By Midori
September 13, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this
Bob,
she’s an idiot. Pay no mind.
She’ll soon be back to litter this thread with more nonsense, and rantings about “liberal propaganda”. I suspect right now she’s too busy diddling herself using an American flag.
By getalife
September 13, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this
True, “crusty” is the queen cheerleader for w.
She has never posted anything except rah, rah, razz for w and calling people unpatriotic when they do not agree with her bs.
She would have made an excellent Nazi. BTW, what did they do with all the Nazi appeasers?
By Rodger
September 13, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this
If the country is turned over to Hillary, Pelosi, Reid, Dean, and Rangel, it’s not sleep that would be induced but fits of nausea and seizures. At least Bush takes a position and sticks to it, not waving in the face of vocal opinion.
By Buffalo Bob
September 13, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this
I often wonder how stubborness, in the face of contrary evidence, is viewed as a virtue?
I sir, will take the position the earth is flat, and no matter what proof you present me with, I will not waver from this belief.
By Midori
September 13, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this
yeah, Rodger. Tell us about it.
He sticks to each and every WRONG position, with every fiber of his being.
Yet you see this as a “plus”.
No wonder this country is going down the toilet.
That moron hasn’t been right about one single issue. NOT ONE!!
Yet you applaud him for “sticking to it”.
I think I’m going to hurl.
By Dusty
September 13, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this
Typical Midori,
Same old story,
Same old liberal,
Fizzle and dribble.
Next will be an expletive,
The only word she knows to give.
By Midori
September 13, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this
Typical Dusty.
All hail for GWB!!!
It’s all the liberal’s fault!!
Bush is an idiotic, incompetent, but hey, at least he’s not a liberal!!!
Bush good!!! Liberals bad!!!
It’s all their fault he’s a loser moron!!!!
Take two aspirin and call me in the morning!!!!
By Midori
September 13, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this
Yet Dusty, I see you have yet to address the post at hand, as well as the other commenter’s observations.
Could it be you have nothing of any value to say, other than I use “bad” words?
T**.
By Don't look now...
September 13, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this
…but Buckley is a satirist. Why doesn’t Mike source anything?
By RW-(the original)
September 13, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this
It appears that ml is lying again about just how recently this conversion took place. Maybe that’s too strong calling ml a liar, it’s entirely possible he’s just ignorant.
By Midori
September 13, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
come out, come out wherever you are.
Or are you pouring over your autographed copy of Mein Kampf, looking for a witty retort?
By Dusty
September 13, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this
Then we have Getalife on a roll,
Everyone is Nazi, Hitler or troll.
The USA is a viper’s pit
If Republicans are running it.
No use to give a response to him.
His mindset is stuck and very dim.
By Midori
September 13, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this
try this one, RW
By Scooter
September 13, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this
Rather than hand the governance over to the party that originated big government, why don’t we vote Libertarian and send the republicrats a message. That’s what I’ll be doing.
Let us not fool ourselves into thinking the Middle-East was stable, or Iran, N. Korea and Syria required empowering to pursue their ambitions. They were well on their way prior to Iraq’s liberation.
Never the less, we are Americans, we want our gratification and results now. We are unwilling to pursue a long term strategy to see if people in the Middle-East will embrace freedom and representative government. Heck most of us can’t even think in the long term and prefer to pursue the status quo.
Also, is my understanding wrong, in that Bush does not have the privilege of the line item veto? But rather he is forced to veto an entire bill.
By Midori
September 13, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
poor Dusty.
Now she’s attacking Getalife.
The fumes from your cauldron getting to you, eh?
Is that why you feel the need to lash out?
Can’t you find a good potion to brew to calm your nerves?
By RW-(the original)
September 13, 2006 05:25 PM | Link to this
Midori,
Why would you link to the same freaking article ml copied and pasted up ^ ^ there? The 2004 article shows that mike is ignorant or a liar or both, all you did is a link version of your normal idiotic parroting.
By getalife
September 13, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this
And now for a dose of reality
Iraq goes to Iran for help with security and Iran said it will calm down if we leave.
Wow, this failed neocon plan is a disaster and idiots like “crusty”, “RW” “Andy”, etc keep cheering the failure on like it is nothing.
Amazing.
By Midori
September 13, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this
RW,
The link you posted is from a 2004 article.
the link that I posted reflects the CURRENT article that Mike is attributing.
Am I missing something?
You call Mike a liar, and use a 2004 article as your “proof”.
I post the current article that Mike is referring to in his post.
This isn’t 2004, is it?
Rinse. Lather. Repeat.
By Midori
September 13, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this
Getalife,
I was just about to post that article, but was blindsided by RW’s charge of, um, whatever he was ranting about.
Thanks.
Looks like we “freed” Iraq just so they could join hands with Iran.
Mission Accomplished?
By Dusty
September 13, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this
Oh, Midori, did I miss you? Guess I’m not interested in what you have to say. Yep, that’s it.
RW, ml is up to his usual tricks. This article is TWO YEARS OLD. He didn’t bother to mention that. My link had September 2004 as the date of publication. Old stuff.
Luckovich must be behind in his reading. Figures.
Dinnertime already!! See ya later.
See ya later. Dinner is ready.
By RW-(the original)
September 13, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this
Midori,
You can’t possibly be this stupid. This post says {{{ANOTHER CONSERVATIVE TURNS ON W}}}} and gives a brand spanking new story as evidence.
I gave you a 2004 article that says most of the same things, which proves that Christopher Buckley DID NOT JUST TURN ON W he was already there. So mike is ignorant of that fact or he’s a bald faced liar.
Got it?
By Midori
September 13, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this
And, RW,
You of all people have the nerve to call someone a “parrot”, as all you do is parrot your equally deluded comrades in lunacy and cheerlead their boring, pathetic, equally obnoxious tirades.
I keep telling you that you don’t look good in a skirt.
when are you ever going to believe me?
BTW: that article was one of several that was linked together discussing conservatives coming out against Bush. I posted it yesterday, I think. Do your own search. I’m not going to do it for you. And why not run a poll while you’re at it.
By Midori
September 13, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this
You always miss me Dusty.
But sorry, I just don’t swing that way.
What’s the matter? That flag isn’t being all that it can be?
By getalife
September 13, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this
Midori,
Yep, now the # 2 and # 3 oil producing countries allied with the Muslim world against us and our allies.
No wonder w is spewing we are “addicted to oil”.
By RW-(the original)
September 13, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
This is a current article, but Buckley was already saying this in 2004 and probably before that. It’s the same thing every single time ml has posted something about someone suddenly turning on President Bush, it’s always the same position they already had.
By RW-(the original)
September 13, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this
Parrot,
Were all the articles bald faced lies or just this one? If you linked them I guess we know the answer to that.
By Dusty
September 13, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this
As I said Midori, I’m really not interested in what you have to say. Maybe you think your little insinuations are pretty cute.
Well, they are better than your expletives. Have fun with your “spewing”.
I’m gone for the day.
By getalife
September 13, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this
RW,
It is on the home page along with the idiot neocon plan for more troops to die so Iraq can ally with Iran
If w is listening to these losers he should stop.
By RW-(the original)
September 13, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this
getalife,
WTF are you babbling about now?
By getalife
September 13, 2006 06:13 PM | Link to this
Just pointing out the obvious to ya RW.
Mike’s article is current and not a lie.
The neocon plan is a disaster.
How about Mr. Murtha’s proposal today.
He should replace Rumsfeld.
By Midori
September 13, 2006 06:17 PM | Link to this
Getalife,
methinks that RW is tying to mirror his hero, Dubya.
Screw facts. Screw reality.
It’s all about what THEY believe over at Ignorance ‘r Us.
By Midori
September 13, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this
RW,
just because you made a fool out of yourself, don’t blame me.
I don’t look anything like Bill Clinton.
Wrong sex AND race.
By Midori
September 13, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this
And as “I” said Dusty, replace that flag with an appropriate sex toy.
I’m quite sure you can get one off Ebay.
Cheap.
By bon scott
September 13, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this
It’s quite clear that Christopher Buckley is saying that things are even worse in 2006 than they were in 2004.
Can’t argue with that.
In 2004, Buckley said he’d reluctantly vote for Bush and the GOP. But today? Good Lord, he’s given up.
It’s time for a time-out. Time to hand over this sorry enchilada to Hillary and Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden and Charlie Rangel and Harry Reid, who has the gift of being able to induce sleep in 30 seconds…. My fellow Republicans, it is time, as Madison said in Federalist 76, to Hand over the tiller of governance, that others may mess things up for a change.
I guess the difference between reluctant acceptance and outright surrender is a bit too nuanced for the typical neocon here.
I mean, DRM (Drunk Resident Moran) has an excuse. Alcohol poisoning. As for the rest? I just don’t know… perceptual problems, they were left behind… must be something…
By RW-(the original)
September 13, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this
Typical pack of libs. Two braindead parrots and a nuanced “intellectual.”
By Mike
September 13, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this
Look at Mikey the bigot’s glee!
Isn’t it great how liberals crow over the pathetic state of affairs in America.
Just further evidence that hateful liberals like the AJC staff hate Bush far, far more than the love their country.
Why are liberals accused of being unpatriotic? Because they are?
By Will Jones
September 13, 2006 06:57 PM | Link to this
Much good will come from America’s suffering this closet-queen draft-dodger’s soiling the White House when his 9-11 treason is fully understood (read “New Pearl Harbor” or watch “Loose Change 2”) and the faction which brought him - grandfather was Rome’s and Vatican-banker Rockefellers’ money conduit to papal baron Fritz “The Rockefeller of Germany” Thyssen (author of “I Paid Hitler”) after the Roman Catholic Council of Bishops at Fulda approved voting for the Nazi Party; and his father “can’t remember” (along with Prescott Bush-protege Richard Nixon, and E. Howard Hunt) his correct whereabouts upon hearing of JFK’s assassination six weeks after Pres. Kennedy wisely and patriotically ordered us out of Vietnam - is given the full treatment our previous Tory traitors received in 1776.
By You're Right, Where Is Osama?
September 14, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this
RW is absolutely correct and has nailed cartoon boy’s intellectual dishonesty once again.
Christopher Buckley wasn’t a Conservative before the 2004 election and he’s not a Conservative now.
He’s a fake parading himself around as a “Republican” and the only people he’s got fooled are the sucker libs.
Which ain’t that hard to do.
By Shawny
September 14, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Got you going! And it wasn’t very hard to do. He he.
By getalife
September 14, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this
Mike,
“Isn’t it great how liberals crow over the pathetic state of affairs in America.”
Its the wingnut’s fault stupid.
Blaming it on the liberals is pathetic.
What an idiot.
By Papist
September 19, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this
I see Lil’ Mikie Luckovich has time to write tripe in between his anti-Catholic cartoons….by the way..based on the poll..72% of metro Atlanta resodents are anti-Catholic bigots…no surprise..AJC panders to those types.
By Papist
September 19, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this
Christopher Buckley not a conservative? Maybe not a right wing extremist that uses the label conservative but then you guys need to crawl back under your rocks and give the Republican party back tom the Old Oak conservatives
By bgirl
September 19, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this
It’s refreshing to read that some real Republicans are aware and saddened by the reality of our country’s situation. Unfortunately, the current Administration has been successful in accomplishing what no other foreign, friendly or foe, government or other organization, has been able to do: denigrate the concept of democracy and morality. We are all ashamed …