Mike Luckovich

By Save getalife!

July 3, 2006 01:00 AM | Link to this

Why are those people carting getalife away? Oh well, since he loves government I guess he’ll be happy.

By Just wondering

July 3, 2006 08:44 AM | Link to this

Is this another one of MLs Blues Brother’s pranks - disguised as a Federal agent, he has joined NAMBLA?

By @@

July 3, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

Well of course ml would portray the NYT as an innocent paper boy. Isn’t he the little guy whose delivery is left exposed to the elements?

By Breaking news

July 3, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

…The telephone numbers of top Sunni “insurgents” were found on Zarqawi’s cell phone…Dems still insist there was no Hussein/Al Qaeda connection…Sunni insurgents just working as pizza delivery boys…

By achmed

July 3, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

Mike, Osama has still not received your monthly donation. Please send in the normal fashion. Al Qaeda needs the continued support of you, the NY Times, The AJC, and others on this blog. When you continue your obligation, we will send you the new playbook on hating America, and another t-shirt. Phone lines are open 24/7. Praise Allah, praise, Osama, praise Mike Luckovich (if he pays us what he owes us)

By Fox News Alert

July 3, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

No phone numbers of Osama, Zawahiri or any real Al Qaeda leaders found on Zarqawi’s cell phone. Just names of Baathist Sunnis, showing links to Iraq civil war agitators.

Meanwhile, Zarqawi’s wife says Osama betrayed him to the US because Zarqawi was out of control.

The woman told an Italian newspaper that a deal was struck: The United States got al-Zarqawi, and U.S. officials promised to ease up on the hunt for al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

Officially, US still says Osama’s Al Qaeda and Zarqawi were a team, despite evidence to the contrary that’s so overwhelming it makes the US look silly.

Stay tuned for late breaking developments.

By The Ugly Side of Iraq We Aren't Supposed to See

July 3, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

Criminal cases against U.S. soldiers

A look at criminal cases against U.S. soldiers stemming from the deaths of Iraqis since the war began in 2003:

PENDING CASES:

_Pfc. Corey R. Clagett, Spc. Juston R. Graber, Staff Sgt. Raymond L. Girouard and Spc. William B. Hunsaker charged with premeditated murder of three male detainees in Salahuddin province in May. Clagett, Girouard and Hunsaker also charged with obstructing justice for allegedly threatening to kill another soldier who was a witness in the case.

_Hospitalman Third Class Melson J. Bacos; Sgt. Lawrence G. Hutchins III; Lance Cpl. Tyler A. Jackson; Pfc. John J. Jodka; Cpl. Marshall L. Magincalda; Lance Cpl. Robert B. Pennington; Lance Cpl. Jerry E. Shumate Jr.; and Marine Cpl. Trent D. Thomas charged with premeditated murder in April shooting death of Iraqi man in Hamdania. All eight also charged with kidnapping, larceny, conspiracy, assault and housebreaking.

_Five U.S. Army soldiers from 502nd Infantry Regiment being investigated for allegedly raping a young woman in March, then killing her and three members of her family in Mahmoudiyah, south of Baghdad, a U.S. military official tells The Associated Press.

_National Guard Sgt. Milton Ortiz Jr. and Spc. Nathan B. Lynn charged in shooting death of unarmed Iraqi man near Ramadi in February. Both also charged with obstructing justice. Lynn charged with voluntary manslaughter. Ortiz also faces charges of assault and communicating a threat in separate incident involving another Iraqi man.

_Capt. James Kimber, Capt. Lucas M. McConnell, Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich and an unidentified Marine under investigation for killings of two dozen unarmed Iraqi civilians in western town of Haditha on Nov. 19, 2005 in revenge attack after one of their own died in a roadside bombing. Probe focusing on allegations that the Marines stormed into nearby homes and shot occupants as well as others outside, according to U.S. lawmakers briefed by military officials. Separately, the military also investigating if there was a coverup. Iraqi government said it will also investigate.

_Chief Warrant Officer Jefferson L. Williams, Sgt. 1st Class William Sommer and Spc. Jerry Loper charged with murder and dereliction of duty, along with Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer, an incident in resulting in death of Iraqi Maj. Gen. Abed Hamed Mowhoush after an interrogation in 2003 at a detention camp in al Qaim. Army dropped murder charges against Williams and Loper in exchange for testimony against Welshofer. Murder charge against Sommer also dropped. Both Sommer and Williams face possible administrative discipline.

CONVICTIONS:

_Staff Sgt. Cardenas J. Alban convicted of killing severely wounded 16-year-old Iraqi during fighting in Baghdad’s Sadr City neighborhood. Sentenced to one year’s confinement, demoted to private and given bad-conduct discharge.

_Staff Sgt. Johnny Horne Jr. pleaded guilty to unpremeditated murder in same case as Alban. Sentenced to three years in prison, had rank reduced to private, forfeited wages and given dishonorable discharge. Horne’s prison sentence later reduced to one year.

_Cpl. Dustin Berg of Indiana National Guard convicted and sentenced to 18 months in military prison for shooting death of Iraqi police officer.

_Spc. Rami Dajani convicted of making a false statement following fatal shooting of Iraqi translator. Sentenced to 18 months’ confinement and given a reduction in rank and bad conduct discharge.

_Spc. Charley L. Hooser convicted of involuntary manslaughter in same case involving Dajani. Hooser sentenced to three years in prison and given a reduction in rank and bad conduct discharge. Also convicted of making a false statement to investigators.

_Capt. Rogelio “Roger” Maynulet convicted of assault with intent to commit voluntary manslaughter in shooting death of wounded Iraqi. Received no prison time but was dismissed from armed forces.

_Pvt. Federico Daniel Merida of North Carolina National Guard pleaded guilty to killing 17-year-old Iraqi soldier after the two had consensual sex. Sentenced to 25 years in prison, given a reduction in rank and was dishonorably discharged.

_Marine Maj. Clarke Paulus convicted of dereliction of duty and maltreatment in case stemming from death of Iraqi prisoner who was dragged out of holding cell by the neck, stripped naked and left outside for seven hours in June 2003. Paulus, who commanded the Marine detention facility Camp Whitehorse in southern Iraq, was dismissed from the service but received no prison time.

_Sgt. 1st Class Tracy Perkins acquitted of involuntary manslaughter in alleged drowning of Iraqi man but convicted of assault for forcing the man and his cousin into Tigris River. Sentenced to six months in prison.

_1st Lt. Jack Saville pleaded guilty to assault and other crimes in same incident as Perkins. Sentenced to 45 days in military prison.

_Pfc. Edward Richmond convicted of voluntary manslaughter for shooting Iraqi in back of head. Received three years in prison.

_Sgt. Michael P. Williams convicted in court-martial of one count of premeditated murder and one count of unpremeditated murder in deaths of unarmed civilians during operations near Sadr City. Sentenced to life in prison and given a reduction in rank. Sentence later reduced to 25 years.

_Spc. Brent May convicted in court-martial of one count of unpremeditated murder in same incident as Michael Williams. Sentenced to five years in prison.

_Welshofer, of 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, initially charged with murder, assault and willful dereliction of duty but found guilty of negligent homicide and negligent dereliction of duty in death of Mowhoush. Military jury ordered a reprimand and forfeiture of $6,000 of his salary and restricted him to his home, office and church for two months.

CLEARED/ACQUITTED:

_U.S. troops cleared of intentionally killing civilians in March 15 raid in village of Ishaqi. Military acknowledged “possibly up to nine collateral deaths” in addition to four announced at time of the raid. Iraqis said there were 11 dead.

_Marine 2nd Lt. Ilario Pantano cleared of murder charges in shooting deaths of two Iraqi civilians.

_Staff Sgt. Shane Werst acquitted by jury of premeditated murder for shooting death of unarmed Iraqi.

Republican soldier killers sent these young men and women into an impossible to win unprovoked civil war, with no planning, inadequate equipment, no support, and poor direction. These acts ^ ^ ^ and the pre-meditated/confessed rape/murder of an Iraqi little girl and her family last week by Amnerican troops are the result.

Republicans wrap themselves in flags but they really could care less about the troops. They will continue to use them and leave them in harm’s way until hell freezes over as long as they have any hope of covering up for their craven god, George W. Bush. REPUBLICANS ONLY CARE ABOUT THE WAR PROFITS THAT THEY CAN MAKE BY SELLING WAR MATERIALS. They REALLY care no more for our soldiers than they do the Iraqi people ! ! !

BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW ! ! !

By The Ugly Side of Iraq We Aren't Supposed to See

July 3, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

GIs may have planned Iraq rape, slayings

BEIJI, Iraq - Investigators believe American soldiers spent nearly a week plotting an attack in which they raped an Iraqi woman, then killed her and her family in an insurgent-ridden area south of Baghdad, a U.S. military official said Saturday.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing, said the attack appeared “totally premeditated” and that the soldiers apparently “studied” the family for about a week before carrying out the attack.

According to the official, the Sunni Arab family had just moved into a new home in the religiously mixed area about 20 miles south of Baghdad. The Americans entered the home, separated three family members from the woman, then raped her and set fire to her body, the official said. The three others were also slain. A senior Army official who also requested anonymity because the investigation is ongoing said one of the victims was a child.

Now we get to hear the Bush apologists lie, minimize, distort, and misdirect about the atrocities our troops are becoming involved with in Iraq. These acts are the direct results of actions taken by the Republicans who give George W. Bush a free pass to USE our troops. Cheney/Bush can’t decide what constitutes torture, and the troops they command can’t either ! ! !

BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW ! ! !

By Fox News Alert

July 3, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this

Wall Street Journal implicates itself in White House effort to pillory New York Times.

An editorial in Friday’s WSJ says the NYT was asked by the Bush administration not to publish the story about how the US tracks terror money transfers through the Belgian SWIFT consortium.

But the paper defends it’s publication of the same story by arguing it was never asked not to!

Some argue that the Journal should have still declined to run the antiterror story. However, at no point did Treasury officials tell us not to publish the information. And while Journal editors knew the Times was about to publish the story, Treasury officials did not tell our editors they had urged the Times not to publish. What Journal editors did know is that they had senior government officials providing news they didn’t mind seeing in print. If this was a ‘leak,’ it was entirely authorized.

WSj confirms that administration has a dual standard about so-called security leaks. It’s not the leak itself, especially when it’s harmless. It’s the newspaper that publishes it.

We now return you to our regular programming.

By The Ugly Side of Iraq We Aren't Supposed to See

July 3, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this

At least 10 killed in attacks across Iraq

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Bombs struck markets north and south of Baghdad on Monday, with nationwide attacks killing at least 10 people and wounding dozens, and parliament convened despite a boycott by Sunni Arab legislators protesting a colleague’s abduction.

A member of the Iraqi Accordance Front, the largest Sunni bloc in the 275-member legislature, suggested that Tayseer al-Mashhadani was kidnapped by Shiite militias and said the legislative boycott would continue until she is released.

Violence continued Monday.

A parked car bomb aimed at a police patrol exploded near a line of shops in the northern city of Mosul, killing at least seven people and wounding 28, officials said.

A bomb also went off for a second consecutive day at a popular market in Mahmoudiya, 20 miles south of Baghdad, and initial police reports said three people were killed and 22 were wounded. An attack against the same market late Sunday also killed three people and wounded 21, police said.

The mixed Shiite-Sunni town, in a volatile area known for frequent attacks against Iraqi and American forces, is at the center of a U.S. investigation into allegations that a group of American soldiers raped a woman, then killed her and three members of her family in an apparent cover-up attempt.

The Washington Post reported that the rape victim was a 15-year-old girl named Abeer Qassim Hamza and that her mother had worried her daughter had attracted the attention of U.S. soldiers at a checkpoint. The mother asked a neighbor if Abeer could sleep at his house.

The neighbor, Omar Janabi, agreed but the girl and her family was attacked the next day — March 11, according to the Post.

Janabi said he was one of the first people to arrive at the house after the attack and he found the girl dead in a corner, her hair and a pillow burned and her dress pushed up to her neck.

Family members have given permission for the girl’s body to be exhumed as part of the investigation, Janabi and the town’s mayor, Mouyad Fadhil Saif, told the newspaper.

Elsewhere, a roadside bomb also struck a British armored vehicle south of Amarah, 180 miles southeast of Baghdad, British spokeswoman Capt. Kelly Goodall said, adding that nobody was wounded.

Two mortar rounds also landed outside the joint British-Australian base in Samawah, 230 miles southeast of Baghdad, police said, but no injuries or damage were reported.

The attacks underscored the increasing danger facing coalition forces in predominantly Shiite southern Iraq, which has been relatively quiet during a more than three-year-old Sunni-led insurgency but has seen an increase in attacks in recent months.

A self-styled Shiite Muslim insurgent group has pledged to fight U.S., British and other coalition forces but to spare Iraqi civilians and soldiers.

“We have been patient enough and we have given the political process a chance,” the Islamic Resistance in Iraq — Abbas Brigades said in a videotape aired Sunday by a Lebanese TV station.

In other developments Monday, according to police and witnesses:

• A bomb struck an oil pipeline in northern Iraq, setting it on fire, but the attack was not expected to affect exports.

• The bullet-riddled bodies of five Iraqi soldiers were found by a sanitation plant in Mandali, on the Iranian border 60 miles east of Baghdad.

• A suicide car bomber apparently targeting an Iraqi patrol blew himself up near the al-Kindi hospital in eastern Baghdad, wounding two soldiers, two policemen and one civilian.

• A mortar round struck a popular fruit and vegetable market in northeastern Baghdad, wounding nine.

• People in the Sunni neighborhood of Azamiyah in northern Baghdad returned to the streets a day after fierce clashes between Iraqi soldiers and gunmen over a rocket attack on Iraq’s most-revered Sunni shrine, the Grand Imam Abu Hanifa Mosque.

No matter, the Republican soldier killers will tell us. This really means that the insurrgents are in their last, last, last, last, last, last, last, last, last, last, last, last, last, last, last, last throes. Our troops are in a good position and the Iraqis REALLY just LOVE US TO DEATH ! ! !

BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW ! ! !

By achmed

July 3, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

The Ugly Side of Iraq

Thank you for your contineud support of Al Qaeda. We need you to win

By finch News Alert

July 3, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

The Wall Street Journal did it toooooooooo……whaaaaaa……

By gadem

July 3, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

Because someone does not support the President or this lying administration, you support AL Queda….you neocons are really hypocrites. You will slander Clinton for receiving oral satisfaction, but Bush has admitted that the information he used to start this war was faulty and yet you all blow it off and say “everyone else believed it too” what kind of excuse is that.

By The Ugly Side of Iraq We Aren't Supposed to See

July 3, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this

Republican Achmed: Excuses, excuses, excuses.

By @@

July 3, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

I love the way “The American Thinker” put these three together. You’ve got elite academia promoting “politically correct” tolerance with some in-depth research a very good read into reality; and if that’s too difficult to comprehend, you can always take a trip into the ethereal.

COOL!!! We can all revert to that safe place within our childhood and escape the world.

BTW, those cloud pictures are beautiful. Worth a brief glance, just don’t linger.

By getalife

July 3, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

Save getalife!

Too funny. LOL.

Not as funny as the the right wing blogs all blaming the media then Clinton.

By The Ugly Side of Iraq We Aren't Supposed to See

July 3, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this

Shiite insurgent group makes Iraq debut

BEIRUT, Lebanon - A self-styled Shiite Muslim insurgent group made its public debut in a videotape aired by a Lebanese TV station, pledging to fight U.S., British and other coalition forces but to spare Iraqi civilians and soldiers.

“We have been patient enough and we have given the political process a chance,” the Islamic Resistance in Iraq — Abbas Brigades said in a statement that accompanied the tape Sunday. It could not be independently authenticated.

It was the first public appearance by a Shiite group claiming a role in an insurgency that has been dominated by Sunni Arabs, who lost the power and privilege they had under Saddam’s regime to the majority Shiite Arabs and minority Sunni Kurds.

Go back to sleep America. Republicans don’t want you to see that they have turned Iraq into a bloody civil war and left our troops right smack in the middle of it ! ! !

BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW ! ! !

By Eric

July 3, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

It may be pronounced “Achmed”, Einstein, but it’s spelled AHMED.

By I'm gadem....

July 3, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

…hear me roar.

By Midori

July 3, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

someone let Andy out of his padded cell again?

By The Ugly Side of Iraq We Aren't Supposed to See

July 3, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

U.S. troops try courtesy in Iraqi city

RAMADI, Iraq - U.S. troops are switching tactics in the fight against insurgents in parts of this rebellious city, replacing confrontation with courtesy in hopes of winning public trust and undercutting support for the militants.

This would be the “kinder, gentler” side of ocupation, huh. This should really work well 3 years down the road. I thought the administration told us that our troops were making a good name for us in Iraq about 2 years ago? Could they have been LYING once again or just completely out of touch with the reality on the ground in Iraq.

BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW ! ! !

By @@

July 3, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

I know what Senator Lindsay Graham (R) said on the topic, but can anyone decipher what this Democrat said?

Senator Jack Reed (D): Well, this is the perennial struggle between a free press and a very secretive administration, and this administration is one of the most secretive on record.

So in conclusion….he concluded what?

By gadem

July 3, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

One would think that Andy has no life or loved ones. If he did, they would not let him waste his life away blogging non sense. I think Andy is on disability, and collecting a check in his double wide. Andy how is paulding county?

By @@

July 3, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

NOW would you look at this! Will this be a nationwide trend? Did Governor Jeb just outlaw “Doggie Bags”?

And NOW in Florida, dogs can eat with their owners at restaurants under the new “Doggie Dining” law (but only in designated outdoor areas and if approved by local authorities).

Gov. Jeb Bush — whose own dog, a black lab named Marvin, had died just two days before — gladly signed the bill into law, saying dog lovers and their pets should “have a brewski together, have a hot dog together or whatever they want outdoors. … It just seems like it’s a small thing but it’s going to be an important thing.”

NOW what are we going to feed our husbands? WOMEN UNITE!!! Burn your aprons in protest!!!

By AntiRadical

July 3, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

Good toon ML. The President’s response to the NYT leaks were very predictable and quite pathetic.

Reps roast the NYT but leave hands off the WSJ. This destroys their credibility from the start.

The usual misdirection by the Bush administration is that the writers and editors of the NYT alone are traitors and that they should be tried and executed for treason.

The difficulty, of course, is that it wasn’t the news media that failed to keep the secret about financial tracking; it was the current administration. If an administration can’t keep the secrets it makes; maybe it shouldn’t make any.

I view this as one more example of the ineptitude of the Bush administartion, not a failure of the media which was simple doing its’ job in reporting leaks that this administration had made.

By RW-(the original)

July 3, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

@@,

It looks like Senator Reed said it’s perfectly acceptable to broadcast battle plans and troop movements since everybody already knows we’re at war.

It’s sort of like what that other Pulitzer Patriot, Dana Priest, said on “Meet the Depressed” yesterday about there being nothing wrong with publishing classified material if it helps to get your party elected. (I’m paraphrasing finch, so don’t get all huffy and morph into any new personalities)

By RW-(the original)

July 3, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

AntiRadical,

To be fair it isn’t always a leak. Lots of times they just make stuff up.

By Play that funky music white boy

July 3, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

Uh oh @@, Jeb didn’t really say “brewski” did he? I mean, that little leak could really cost the Republicans whose followers think all of them eschew the “drink” - “W” is the posterboy for all the biblethumpers who believe no one should ever have a drink at any time - I mean what are they going to do if his brother (also son of Barbara) is shown to imbibe from time to time? This is what is wrong with America and Georgia. You got a guy in the White House and a guy in the Governor’s mansion and neither one of them drink, at all.

By @@

July 3, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

Now this is how Socialism takes hold in a country. Give the people what they demand.

In an interview, Montelegre cited published reports about a recent two-week caravan headed by a local mayor who handed out bags of fertilizer as gifts from Chavez’s Venezuela to Nicaraguan voters.

Chavez is a leftist, so I guess it was Donkey manure!

By AntiRadical

July 3, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

RW- I’ll grant that much “news” is manufactured by both sides to smear the other. It is undisputable that this program does exist, though, by the President’s own heated condemnation of the NYT.

I still find it deplorable that instead of owning up to a mistake as we saw with Reagan ala Iran-Contra, this administartion misdirects and blames the media for its’ own inability to secure its’ intel.

If this administration would show the responsibility of the Reagan administartion and own its’ mistakes, it would catch a whole lot less criticism. It might even turn a mistake into an advantage as Reagan did.

By Look At These Losers

July 3, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

Allatoona was beautiful this morning, my 175 horses busted the peaceful, still calm right in the a-ss, all kinds of wildlife diving out of my way, but then the sun made it’s grand entrance. Too HOT.

I haven’t been in here all morning, does that not prevent these loser pinkos from shadow boxing with my reputation?:

By gadem July 3, 2006 10:45 AM One would think that Andy has no life or loved ones. If he did, they would not let him waste his life away blogging non sense. I think Andy is on disability, and collecting a check in his double wide. Andy how is paulding county?

Haha. Someone without a life calling the Pot To Kettle.

An empty head is a terrible thing to waste, gadem, why don’t you rent out the space?

By Midori July 3, 2006 10:37 AM someone let Andy out of his padded cell again?

Savage beast Midori, wild animal, why do I bother you even in my absence? Shouldn’t you be happy, BWAHAHAHAHA, happy, yea, right. A lib happy, that’s funny man.

By AntiRadical

July 3, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

@@- Good one. Thanks, I needed a chuckle this morning (donkey manure).

Give Venezuela a few years and they’ll turn around. People support economically sound government everywhere and the socialists will destroy the Venezuelan economy as they always have. “Free bread and circuses” (and manure) never works.

Shucks, have to run again. I wish they’d open this blog during evening hours when I’d have more time to post.

By Midori

July 3, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

Andy,

you are our very own “Exhibit A”.

you’re not even man enough to post in your own name.

you have an alternate screen name for every slur and insult you hurl. must be pretty hard keeping up with all of them.

In the end, you’re just a confused, mentally deranged purveyor of hate and ignorance. And you prove it more and more every day.

By Andy's A Redneck

July 3, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

Here’s Andy ripping Allatoona a new one this am

By @@

July 3, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

Funky:

OMG, were you at the cookout I attended yesterday (Sunday), I wouldn’t remember. I’ve been caught. I’m a christian with a Monday hangover.

I don’t do it often, but when I “doodoo” it, I’m not very good at it. I guess that makes me a hypocrite. GW and JB have stronger convictions, but I’ll be happy to serve as your President.

VOTE FOR @@ in @8.

By Andy's A Redneck

July 3, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

Do not, I repeat, Do not get back in the water again. Andy will be returning to rip Allatoona another one later today…

By Andy's Only Post, With finch Attached To My Leg

July 3, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

Sorry about interrupting the anti American festival you liberals have got going here this morning, well, then again, no I’m not:

Ari Gordin spent a weekend in the Fulton County Jail even though a judge dismissed the traffic-related charges against him and ordered him freed just hours after his arrest.

Gordin mouthed off to the police officer, who hauled him to jail. He remained in the jail, which houses men accused of murder, rape and assorted other crimes, a day and a half after a judge ordered his release.-AJC

I got an idea, how about not mouthing off to the cops??? Seems simple, don’t it?

Not to the pinkos at the Urinal, they want to turn loose all of the killers, so that some stupid little lib can float through life disrespecting authority.

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No Americans were killed in Iraq yesterday.

You can’t say that for Atlanta!:

Separate DeKalb gun crimes kill two, injure one-AJC

Atlanta police have made three arrests in connection with a shooting in southwest Atlanta in which a city councilman’s mother was hurt.-AJC

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Couldn’t you lib sports writers at the AJC at least let Michelle Wie turn eighteen before you start with the upskirt photography?

Really, y’all, relax. Aren’t you getting any?

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Most Britons see America as a cruel, vulgar, arrogant society, riven by class and racism, crime-ridden, obsessed with money and led by an incompetent hypocrite.-Telegraph

You’re kidding me, right? This place must be jam packed full of liberals, drinking champions of the world, skyrocketing crime rates, their sole national entertainment is to riot at the soccer match.

And their pointing fingers at us?

They really are liberals.

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What Jimmah Cawter would just love to bring to you:

In South Africa, a country emerging from authoritarian rule under the apartheid system, the act covering access to information gives individuals an opportunity to demand public documents and hold government accountable for its actions, an inconceivable notion just a decade ago. Requests have exposed inappropriate land-use practices, outdated HIV-AIDS policies and a scandalous billion-dollar arms deal. In the United Kingdom, the new law forced the government to reveal the factual basis for its decision to go to war in Iraq.-WashingtonPost

South Africa a role model for the United States?

Really?

I think we need less of Jimmy, myself.

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Looks like desperation is setting in to the cave:

The Al Qaeda head is heard endorsing the terrorist network’s new leader in Iraq and warning Shiites there against collaborating with the United States against Sunni insurgents.-FoxNews

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Heh-heh, the Wall Street Journal rightfully ticked off:

That’s why the clamor after 9/11 was for the White House to act, and that is the period in which it established military commissions and set up Guantanamo. Now that we haven’t been hit again in nearly five years, liberals want us to believe that such executive authority is more dangerous than our enemies.

We thus certainly hope the Administration presses its case for military commissions to the Congress, including just how much due process protection the Members think al Qaeda detainees really deserve. An election is coming in which the prosecution of the war on terror will again be a major issue. By all means let’s debate the proper care and handling of Osama’s bodyguard.

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Hysteria:

Surgeon general!!: No safe level of secondhand smoke!!!!-CNN

What they thought we didn’t remember:

A New England Journal of Medicine study found that even back in 1975 — when having smoke obnoxiously puffed into your face was ubiquitous in restaurants, cocktail lounges and transportation lounges — the concentration was equal to merely 0.004 cigarettes an hour. That’s not quite the same as smoking two packs a day, is it?-WashingtonTimes

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So in 2005 the Palestinians are given Gaza, free of any Jews. Do they begin building the state they say they want, constructing schools and roads and hospitals? No. They launch rockets at civilians and dig a 300-yard tunnel under the border to attack Israeli soldiers and bring back a hostage.

For what possible reason? Before the withdrawal, attacks across the border could have been rationalized with the usual Palestinian mantra of occupation, settlements and so on. But what can one say after the withdrawal?-Time

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It is highly likely the sources who leaked this story to the New York Times violated the law. Keller and his reporters are indispensable witnesses to that potential crime. This is not the sort of garden variety leak to the press that might call for prosecutorial discretion. It is a leak that damaged the U.S. cause in a congressionally authorized war against a murderous enemy.

The Plame case is a joke compared to this. Atty. Gen. Gonzales should name a special counsel. The counsel should subpoena relevant reporters and editors from the Times. They should be required to name names. The leakers should be prosecuted.-HumanEvents

Write your Congressman!

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Bush approval at 41%, that’s 3% every month, by November we’ll be at 60%, works for me.-LATimes

By @@

July 3, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

RW:

(I’m paraphrasing finch, so don’t get all huffy and morph into any new personalities)

He’s “Morph”, I’m Mindy. I don’t “Huff ‘n Post”.

By getalife

July 3, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

Yes, we must prosecute W for the leak

By RW-(the original)

July 3, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

@@,

Maybe finch, I’m paraphrasing would have been a better way to say that since I was paraphrasing Dana Priest and you know how protective finch gets of his little liberal enclaves in the “news” rooms.

By getalife

July 3, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

Speaking of Dana

By @@

July 3, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

Did RW say “liberals in caves”?

I’m out to the pool to “sweat it out”.

By getalife

July 3, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

Ted is an idiot

Wow!

By RW-(the original)

July 3, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Quit wasting space in the tubes.

By Patriotic Foreskin

July 3, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

The Mexican elections were fair because they’re required to show a Frito ID in order to vote.

That’s why we need the Photo ID here in the USA.

Fairness.

By Midori

July 3, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

that was pretty funny.

Ole Bill Bennett, for once in his life, was rendered speechless :)

By Cooler Heads

July 3, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

The Space Shuttle is a death trap.

Small, one or two man capsules on small solid fuel rockets is the way to gain orbit and reenter the atmosphere.

Liquid fuel is too risky. A rocket is nothing but plumbing that torques during launch causing leaks which can only explode.

Never use three rockets when one will do. Launch a cargo bay separately and keep it up there. Launch cargo separately.

A meteor that survives reentry into our atmosphere forms a capsule shape. It’s idiot proof.

New Parachute technology can glide a capsule to land anywhere safely. No wings or tail or landing gear required.

By Mark

July 3, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

The fact that we were tracing terrorist finances was no secret, as Bush/Cheney/Rice have spoken about the program publicly since 9/11. Bush said repeatedly “we are tracing terrorist finances” (adding details frequently) during the period of 2001-2006.

Also, dont think for one second that terrorists didnt know their finances were being traced. Of course they knew. Billion dollar organizations such as Al Qaeda do not become such without knowing how to operate around and evade such programs.

Republicans are attacking the NYT to rally the conservative base during an election year, and to paint themselves as the party of national security. Nothing more.

Finally, to all those who have posted that the NYT, ML, and whoever else are actively aiding the terrorists, serving as “America haters”, etc…there is no way you actually believe those things, so why dont you just stop saying them.

By Play that funky music white boy

July 3, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

@@, I wasn’t at that particular cookout, I was busy helping my drunk neighbors while inebriated myself launch a barrage of illegal fireworks in our neighborhood. I wonder why our rotund Governor hasn’t run on this platform: Who made some fireworks finally legal for rednecks to blow up their neighborhoods? Sonny did.

By Play that funky music white boy

July 3, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

Getalife, the Ted Stevens piece was sad and funny, but at least he didn’t call it the “Internets” like our current Commander in Chief did several times in his debates with Senator “hair” Kerry. People truly underestimated W and his ability to rally the redneck troops to vote. I mean, using their constant grammatical mistake of pluralizing things (Blockbuster”s”, White Water”s”, Wal-Mart”s”, and now Internet”s”) - masterful stroke of identifying with the people.

By Cooler Heads

July 3, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

By ANDY’S logic, the weak Saddam/Osama link to 911 supercedes the confirmed Osama/Afghanistan/Pakistan connection/location where the MF is. Our army should be there, not Iraq. We’ve only opened a pandora’s box of civil wars, and now we’ve the devil to pay.

The devil wears burkas, Andy, the devil wears burkas.

By Maybe a Birdie Told Him?

July 3, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

Does anyone know -

How did Zarqawi get the Baathist Sunni Insurgents phone numbers (aka Hussein loyalists), or vice versa??

By getalife

July 3, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

Play that funky music white boy,

People truly underestimated W and his ability to rally the redneck troops to vote.

Yes, he can:

By Cooler Heads

July 3, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

Bottle Rockets are our first line of defense against Al Queda cells in the US. Start building your defensive works today! All good men should come to the aid of their country.

REMEMBER: THE DEVIL WEARS BURKA

By nunnayobiznezz

July 3, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

Newsflash people..Osama is still alive,and making audio tapes..He did everything but endorse your president when he was re-elected..I like Bush..I just think he has a set of bad handlers who are offering him bad,bad,bad advice..He is getting grayer by the minute..he is all stressed out…

By Play that funky music white boy

July 3, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

Getalife, nice toon but the people I’m referring to that “Love that Dubya cause he talks like me” have never seen much less read a New York Times and think that Kroger is utilizing the Kroger Plus card as a precursor to the mark of the beast. “First, they tell you that you can’t get the weekly bonus item or discounts, next they won’t let you buy any groceries at all.”

By Midori

July 3, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

Maybe a Birdie Told Him,

I don’t know - Rummy? Condi? Rove? Andy?

By N-GA

July 3, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

So the Iraqi insurgents who killed American soldiers will be offered amnesty by Bush’s lapdog Iraqi government.

I’ll bet Andy is so happy he’s wearing out his prayer beads.

By Cooler Heads

July 3, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

Osama is lamenting his use of bio-weapons. Last night his wife contracted the inhalation form of PMS.

By Wrong Answer

July 3, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Try again, using brain cells, if you have them.

By GW Wilson

July 3, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

Regarding Jimmy Carter’s comments in the Washington Post this am… “We Need Fewer Secrets By Jimmy Carter Monday, July 3, 2006; WP A21”

As a native Georgian, I am embarrassed every time Mr. Carter opens his mouth or picks up a pen.

It is rather amazing that Mr. Carter is concerned that the… “U.S. government uses at least 50 designations to restrict unclassified information and created 81 percent more “secrets” in 2005 than in 2000”!

Apparently Mr. Carter has conveniently forgotten that we are in a WORLDWIDE war on Terror… Slaughter and Murder of innocent men, women and children, directed at the FREE WORLD… not just the United States! There is PROOF Mr. Carter… it WAS in the center of New York City!

But then, perhaps Mr. Carter’s Foreign Relations expertise, so brilliantly executed during his Iranian Hostage episode, should convince all rational people to give ALL of our secrets to ALL our avowed enemies forever!

Brilliant Mr. Carter …

1 “A poll conducted last year found that 70 percent of Americans are either somewhat or very concerned about government secrecy. This is understandable when the U.S. government uses at least 50 designations to restrict unclassified information and created 81 percent more “secrets” in 2005 than in 2000, according to the watchdog coalition OpenTheGovernment.org.”

GW Wilson Atlanta GA

By Midori

July 3, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I’ve decided to let you use my brain cells so that you can maneuver out of that burka.

By Cooler Heads

July 3, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

Oh, Midori has brain cells, alright. After all, sex happens the brain, doesn’t it, and her name IS Midori. Just put the 6 and the 9 together and voila: Midori be square root, Dawg.

By Cooler Heads

July 3, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Midori be a real prime number, Dawg!

By Midori

July 3, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Andy,

you’re so predictable: can’t win an argument? Name jack.

made to look like the fool that you are: name jack.

reduced to a sputtering tub of sh*t? namejack.

Dude, you need new weapons in your arsenal.

you’ve completely jumped the shark.

By rushncap

July 3, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

GW, so your solution, in this “global war on terror”, which, as you claim, is directed at the “free world” to make the world not free? While surely an ingenius solution (can’t hate the free world if it no longer exists) I would argue that perhaps becoming a neo-totalitarian regime may be more of a defeat than a victory in this war.

By Midori

July 3, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

Midori be a real prime number, Dawg!

Andy be a real prime loser a**hole!!!

Word!!

By What a fool believes

July 3, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

Zarqawi’s 40 year old wife, the one he ditched for the 13 year old virgin, knows the scoop on why and how her unfaithful butcher died? Osama can roam free again as part of a deal with the U.S.? Anyone want to buy a bridge?

Maybe someone with brain cells can unravel this ridiculous mystery that the professional war protestors are so eager to embrace.

By Midori

July 3, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

Yet you are roaming free. Can someone broker a deal on that?

By Cooler Heads

July 3, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

Midori be real conjugatin’ the quadratic, Dawg. (Um, Midori? I’m on your side, Andy is “DAWG”, it’s hip hop talk that I’m using to make fun of him, not you.) PS: In the hood, I just called you a Goddess, girlfriend.

By Dam-n, It's Almost Like I Was Here This Afternoon

July 3, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

I don’t even need to be here to drive these pinkos crazy, the mere thought of my greatness and, wham, they start babbling.

Seeker and Midori

Sitting in a tree

J-a-c-k-i-n-g

First came RW (theoriginal)

Then came Danish

Then came finch pushing the crazy carriage.

By Cooler Heads

July 3, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

Sorry you misunderstood me, Midori, but I’m a player, and I gotz to be me, so show the love, for Cooler Heads in the House, put your hands together, uh huh, blood.

Cut me some slack, jack, I be simmer dow nah on the flip side, you dig, beyayatch?

By Waaaahhhhhhh!!!

July 3, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

By Mark July 3, 2006 01:44 PM Finally, to all those who have posted that the NYT, ML, and whoever else are actively aiding the terrorists, serving as “America haters”, etc…there is no way you actually believe those things, so why dont you just stop saying them.

By Yo Mamma Jamma

July 3, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

Midori be arguing with herself. Cooler Head aka “Vanilla Ice” rushncap is gettin’ crunk with him bad self.

By Midori's last brain cell

July 3, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

I’ve fought the good fight, but when dealing with a completely ignorant host and no other brain cells to help out it becomes unbearable.

Midori’s last brain cell signing off….

By Cooler Heads

July 3, 2006 03:22 PM | Link to this

I picked a hell of a week to quit blogging.

By Cooler Heads

July 3, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

I guess Midori really aint no Holler Back Girl, eh?

(I’ll bet she’s a babe in real life)

By Take a cold shower

July 3, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

I’ll bet she’s a babe in real life

By Fox News Alert

July 3, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

Big Brother is watching you. He likes to watch. He’s been shivering with this obsessive need to watch since before 9/11.

June 30 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. National Security Agency asked AT&T Inc. to help it set up a domestic call monitoring site seven months before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, lawyers claimed June 23 in court papers filed in New York federal court.

Shhhh. You’re too dumb to need to know this.

By @@

July 3, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

Somebody notify the DEA quick! The war on drugs has jumped to new heights.

And while we’re “out in the stratosphere”, I wanna know why we didn’t get The Gore-y Details on this impending catastrophe?

By rushncap

July 3, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

Lemme guess, @@, you probably think “asteroid impact disaster” was invented by Al Gore and Greenpeace in order to sabotage private business owners, right?

By Fox News Alert

July 3, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

The U.S. Supreme Court’s rejection of the use of military commissions to try detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, is more about reining in presidential power than it is about the fate of the prisoners there.

If they cannot be detained indefinitely, they might have to be released, the guilty and the innocent, thanks to the President’s legal impetuousness.

Privately, Bush aides are expressing concern that by keeping the Gitmo prisoners alive for years, but not giving them any hope of a trial, he has created an unwinnable situation. In hindsight, they’re saying if the President had adopted “Andy’s rules of engagement” and simply shot them all, there wouldn’t be this problem.

By @@

July 3, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

rushncap:

Wrong guess, but I’ll give you two more just to be kind.

Look at the thing, it’s huuuuugggge like your head.

By Let's Stroll Down Memory Lane, Shall We

July 3, 2006 04:26 PM | Link to this

Since the liberals have their anti United States soldier campaign in full swing, just in time for our Nation’s Birthday, let’s hop aboard the ole time machine and we’ll see how ridiculous these pinkos really are.

First stop, 2004 democrat national convention.

Well, what do you know, the democrats found themselves their very own war hero, a senator from Assachussetts, look they’re worshiping the ground he walks on. Isn’t it just so sweet, finally the pinkos have a respect for the military.

But wait! A quick review of the “hero’s” records (the ones he’s released) show that he shot an unarmed Vietnamese child in the back, his one and only kill in the bad bush. After winning this glorious battle, he made a campaign video of the scene and then turned his-self in for the Silver Star.

So what, pray tell, are the pinkos all upset about with the recent unfounded allegations coming out of Iraq? Have they forgotten their true liberal measure of heroism? Do they know for sure that these Marines are not aspiring democratic presidential candidates?

Nah, the libs are just bald faced hypocrites, it’s not that hard to see.

If you want to see these Marines stop being scapegoats and objects of scorn, and I’m talking about even if they are found guilty of eating little children alive, all they have to do is blame Rumsfeld and Bush for it. They’ll be little media darlings, distinguished heros above reproach that were tricked into participating in these crimes by the evil oil cabal.

They’ll get off Scot free.

By rushncap

July 3, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

Yeah, @@, it’s pretty huge. Of course it means nothing to you (after all, gay marriage is going to destroy this earth before any asteroid does), but to people who know what they are talking about it’s pretty impressive. For instance, according to my quick calculations, the energy of that asteroid (assuming the density of basalt) is ~ 3,000 megatons. The bomb which wiped out Hiroshima was 13 kilotons. That means, for the mathematically-challenged @@, if that damn thing hit the Earth it woulf pack a punch of roughly 300,000 times that of the Hiroshima bomb. So yes, @@, it may not be gay marriage or The New York times, but it too could do some damage to our civilization.

By Daniel

July 3, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

The US Justice Department has charged a former soldier with rape and murder. The allegations of the Complaint are that an American soldier raped a fiftenn year old girl then killed her and three members of her family. This ocurred in Mahmudiyah, Iraq.

By No Pinkos Here

July 3, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

A Calderon victory would ensure Mexico sticks to the free-market policies of outgoing President Vicente Fox and hold steady as a U.S. ally, bucking a trend of Latin American nations who have turned to the left and away from Washington in recent years.-Reuters

By Midori

July 3, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

If you can, please tune into CSpan. Francis Fukuyama, a reformed Neo Con, is on right now talking about how Bush completely screwed up the Middle East and America’s image abroad.

And this coming from a neo con.

By @@

July 3, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this

Well rushncap, I knew that asteroid could cause severe damage. I didn’t even have to apply any mathematical calculations, it stated just that in the article. But your ability to calculate was certainly…shall we say…expressive.

Anyway, it could happen anytime and anywhere. C’est la vie. But before it does, I hope you and your life partner, significant other, fimancee or whatever, have the opportunity to partake in a “civil union”. May you enjoy wedded bliss in the moments you may have left. I encourage it.

By Punk A-ss Daniel, Bit-ch

July 3, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this

Atlanta Metropolition Area Rapes In 2004: 1,036.

That’s 3 per day in this war zone.

By rushncap

July 3, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this

@@, little boy, are you also under the impression that calling me “gay” hurts my feelings, or something? Jezus H Kerist, you neocons are idiots…

By Midori's last brain cell

July 3, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this

My ignorant host probably didn’t notice that this appearance was from March 5th, but don’t worry she thinks Fahrenheit 9/11 is a weekly series that just doesn’t change much.

Midori’s last brain cell signing off…..

By getalife

July 3, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

It was not Rove, it was W.

By Happy Birthday!

July 3, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

I’ve been working on a book about patriotism, and recently learned that the first official Independence Day fireworks we know of took place in 1777 when the city fathers of Philadelphia shot off 13 rockets — one for each of the states in the new Union. That went along with the sounds of bells ringing, cannons roaring, and lots of eating, drinking, and toasting the “memories of those brave and worthy patriots who gallantly exposed their lives, and fell gloriously in defence [sic] of freedom and the righteous cause of their country,” as one Virginia paper reported at the time. Two hundred and thirty years later, we are still honoring those brave enough to defend our ideals (some of us are.) And, as the music swells, fireworks glow, and the slices of Flag birthday cake are eaten, we still know how much we have to celebrate in our country. Happy 4th of July!-NationalReview

By Daniel

July 3, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this

After the rape and killing the American serviceman set the bodies on fire. He then blamed the insurgents.

By Midori

July 3, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this

Andy,

you’re so stupid, childish and booring.

Try to keep up, dear.

Better yet, grown folks are TRYING to have a conversation.

Of course the conversation is from March 5. It plainly says so on the far right top of the television screen.

You seem to try to grab onto ANYTHING to try to make yourself seem superior.

Yet that task could be easily accomplished by taking a walk. A deep breath. And don’t forget the bubblegum.

Good boy.

By Midori

July 3, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

Atlanta Metropolition Area Rapes In 2004: 1,036.

That’s 3 per day in this war zone.

and that makes it RIGHT?

Only using your logic, little turd.

so, are these rapists bringing democracy to the Atlanta Metro area too?

By Midori

July 3, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

Daniel,

perhaps Andy was in Iraq.

we know how he likes to try to set fires.

problem is, the idiot is so clueless and clumsy about it, he’s the one who normally gets burned.

By Midori

July 3, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this

REVEALED!!!

Andy’s high school yearbook photo

small wonder why he’s reduced to raping girls and setting them on fire.

By Midori

July 3, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Andy at his high school prom

how many girls did you set on fire that night, Andy?

By Daniel

July 3, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

Midori: He never served. But he was in Iraq. His support of the Iraq War raped that little girl. The republican party raped her and its suporters killed her family. “Clueless George” mounted that child when he deceived America and sent its sons and daughters into hostile Iraq for his politics. “Shotgun Dick” killed that family. It’s going to get much, much worse. Happy Birthday!

By RW-(the original)

July 3, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this

Nice story @ 5:36. It says that President Bush wanted us to get the truth instead of what Lyin’ Joe Wilson tried to peddle. It says that he didn’t out the Vanity Fair model either. Did you link that for us or is your buddy Jason Leopold getting a new story ready?

Punk Daniel,

Do you do anything besides try to smear our entire military with that broad brush of yours? You are truly a disgrace to this country.

By Let's Go Over This One More Time

July 3, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

In the interest of saving some of you more hysterical pinkos some time, time in which I hope you would spend getting educated, allow me to point out the differences between my posts and ones that a pinko liberal has submitted:

Mine will be hard hitting, current events with an edge, dripping with sarcasm and wit.

The pinkos will be ridiculous.

So either Midori really is stupid and can’t distinguish such obvious things or she’s playing some kind of weirdo game with herself.

Which is it?

By Iraqi SNAFU

July 3, 2006 06:13 PM | Link to this

Wonder how things would be if the US hadn’t killed Zarqawi?

BAGHDAD, Iraq — Deaths among Iraq civilians, police and soldiers dropped slightly last month but the number of wounded rose, indicating little easing of violence since the killing of terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, government figures showed Monday.

This doesn’t include the 40 people killed Saturday. Or the 17 killed yesterday. Or the 20 today…

By Punk A-ss Daniel's War Hero

July 3, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this

The kid was wounded in the legs by machine gun fire, and as he ran off, John Kerry jumped off the boat and shot the kid in the back.

Midori: You’re the one defending 1,036 rapes in Atlanta, does it make it right, huh, huh?

By rushncap

July 3, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this

li’l andy, can’t you get anyone else to suck your d!ck for you? Do you really have to do that to yourself, and in front of everyone?

By finch

July 3, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Only Andy would dare use dreaded “moral relativism” to compare soldiers in Iraq with street punks in Georgia. He’s not right in the head.

It’s an insult to Americans in uniform.

By @@

July 3, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this

No rushncap, I was wishing you the best for the moment. For some reason, I thought you were gay. But the “idiot” comment was a nice reciprocation for my good intents. Should I thank you.

Onto other well wishes. Let’s hear it for Bolivia’s capitalists.

This could spell trouble for the Morales administration since in Santa Cruz which has led the “autonomy” movement sometimes the word is exchanged for “independence”, supported by a strong economy and in rejection of the never ending political feuds in the capital La Paz.

Besides Santa Cruz and the more dynamic Bolivian provinces embrace free trade and open economies which are tantamount to the Socialist oriented Morales administration.

And they have the oil. So there you go Hugo!

By Daniel

July 3, 2006 06:23 PM | Link to this

RW: Dead is dead. You, cowards blindly cheer us into war. Now you run from its consequences. Have you ever been to the VA Hospital? Have you been to the Psyche Ward? You are just another fat greedy republican sitting on his ample yellow behind sending others to war. Have you spoken to a soldier who has lost a limb? Have you seen a raped child? This rape is your rape. Rape for Democracy. Kill for Christianity. Own it. It’s yours.

By RW-(the original)

July 3, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

finch,

I bet you’ll be equally surprised when we get Bin Laden and terror doesn’t instantly stop.

By rushncap

July 3, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

Really, @@? And for what reason was that? What, exactly, made you think I was gay? Don’t be shy, now, let us know.

By Freakin Clueless

July 3, 2006 06:25 PM | Link to this

I’m talking about liberals, of course.

Rape can happen anywhere. If you weren’t a dumba-ss, maybe you too could figure this out.

Iraq has nothing to do with it.

Times 1,036.

No outrage over these rapes?

Why?

What’s the difference?

No political value here at home?

Pieces of sh-it.

By getalife

July 3, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this

Wingnut protest time

By See What I Mean About Ridiculous?

July 3, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this

By rushncap July 3, 2006 06:16 PM li’l andy, can’t you get anyone else to suck your d!ck for you? Do you really have to do that to yourself, and in front of everyone?

Why would you be concerned about my d!ck, ummm, rushncrap? Can’t help yourself? Has all this talk of gays excited you? Must you involve me in your perverted fantasy play?

By finch Takes A Long Overdue Shot At Lucidity

July 3, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

And fails miserably:

By finch July 3, 2006 06:16 PM Midori, Only Andy would dare use dreaded “moral relativism” to compare soldiers in Iraq with street punks in Georgia. He’s not right in the head. It’s an insult to Americans in uniform.

How’s it feel to be yourself, there, umm, Seeker? Were you confused at first about who “finch” was, did you almost type in Andy’s mom? Pretty weird not having to think up all the long titles trying to impersonate me, huh?

Your psychiatrist know you’re out? Did he authorize this furlough?

How’s ole John Hinckley doing, you guys talk much?

By @@

July 3, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this

rushncap:

You first! What made you assume I was opposed to gay unions?

O.K., confession…I just wanted to use the word “fimancee”. I liked the way it rolled off my fingertips. I noticed you like to use the words neo-con and idiot, but they aren’t as creative. Kinda boring.

By rushncap

July 3, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

Apparently, when someone says to li’l andy “put your d!ck away” he interprets it as a come-on. No wonder he’s never gotten laid…

By Daniel

July 3, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Look in the mirror. These are only words on a computer screen. You go berserk because your tender illusion is challenged. You are what you call my words. Is this your Christian world? Is this your liberation? Have you seen a child shot through the back of her head? You are the definition of cowardice. Suit up, Komputer Kourage! You couldn’t carry Kerry’s old socks.

By RW-(the original)

July 3, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

Punk disgrace Daniel,

I don’t leave people to be slaughtered for my political party like you do, punk. I bet you thought rape was just fine when we had a rapist sitting in the White House diddling interns for eight years. When are you going to apologize to our troops for saying they shoot babies in the head for fun you worthless piece of sh*t?

By Bragging On The Killing Of Innocents, Sick

July 3, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

BAGHDAD, June 29 (KUNA) — The US-led multinational forces in Iraq have observed a remarkable decline in its losses and that 74 percent of terrorist attacks have its focus on innocent civilians, said on Thursday the spokesman of the forces, Maj.Gen. Willian B. Caldwell IV. Addressing a news conference, Caldwell said at least 60 to 70 foreign terrorists are killed in Iraq every month. He noted that 57 foreign fighters were killed at the hands of American and Iraqi forces since early June.

At least 587 terrorist suspects have been detained in the week ending June 28, the spokesman said, expressing believe that most of the foreign fighters who are taking part in armed operations in Iraq were of Egyptian nationality. “Most of the foreign fighters taking part in attacks in Iraq are Egyptians, followed by Syrians, Sudanese and Saudis”, he said

It’s getting too hard to kill Iraqi soldiers so the terrorists are killing women and children now.

This excites finch. He’s probably trembling in anticipation of the next chickensh-it car bombing. He’ll really be able to show us then.

Sicko.

By rushncap

July 3, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this

Hahaha, RW thinks Clinton is a rapist. Man, how precious. Did Hannity tell you that, RW? Or was it Rush? Come on, now, which one of them decided that you should “think” (using the term exceedingly loosely here) he raped anyone?

@@, do you oppose gay unions? If you do not, I apologize, you seem to buy every other party line of the Rove / Cheney White House hook, line and sinker. So I assumed you did in this case too. Do you?

By Daniel

July 3, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this

Mikey! It’s time to pull the plug. RW’s goin’ goofy agin!

By getalife

July 3, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

The buck stops with the President.

By finch

July 3, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this

finch Takes A Long Overdue Shot At Lucidity

I love it when you obsess about me. I love haunting your dreams. I marvel at the time and energy you waste directing post after post at me.

If it weren’t for me, you’d have no life!

heh.

By RW-(the original)

July 3, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

I find Juanita Broderick extremely credible and it’s not like there aren’t a never ending stream of similar stories. Why did he suddenly leave Oxford? hmmmm…..

Daniel,

You can read your words and make the claim that I’ve gone goofy? Maybe you need a rubber room next to finch’s.

By Punk A-ss Daniel's War Hero

July 3, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

John Kerry was awarded his Silver Star in Vietnam “by killing a lone, fleeing, teenage Viet Cong in a loincloth,”

A war crime the liberals can wrap their arms around.

By @@

July 3, 2006 06:54 PM | Link to this

RW:

I don’t know where this high-ground is that Daniel finds himself on. I’m having to look down to see it. You?

And he always has so many questions. Have you ever….Did you ever…..Will you ever??????

And then he answers them himself.

He operates on assumption, presumption and a helluva lot of gumption.

By finch

July 3, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

Your psychiatrist know you’re out? Did he authorize this furlough?

I don’t recognize this person! He uses soooo many names here! You don’t know if it’s him, or not him, or him pretending to be someone else…

SOOO confusing!

By Look At Who's A Hero, Haha.

July 3, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

AS AMERICANS DEBATE what President Clinton’s legacy should be, too little attention is given to his remarks on Kosovo. The United States launched a war against a European nation largely at Clinton’s behest. Clinton’s war against Serbia epitomized his moralism, his arrogance, his refusal to respect law, and his fixation on proving his virtue by using deadly force, regardless of how many innocent people died in the process.

He fought the “war” from 50,000 feet, how do you aim a 500 lb bomb? How many babies got their heads blown off by Bubba?

And where was the outrage for this?

How are Kosovo babies any different then Iraqi babies?

Gosh, I wonder how?

By Daniel

July 3, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

Read any book by Col. Andy Bucevich. USMA Graduate, 22 years US Army. Or better still, enlist and serve in the miltary. Stand a 12 hour post. Hear the gunfire. Look at the coffins, or body bags. Smell the smell of death. Listen to the words of Lt. Gen. Craig Newbold USArmy, (ret.) Visit a hospital ward. You’ve done none of these things. And, you never will. You prefer illusion. Why is it the coward cheers the loudest for others to go to war?

By Clinton Lied! Children Died!

July 3, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

Before the bombing, Clinton and Defense Secretary William Cohen repeatedly tossed out figures of 100,000 dead, and the State Department even claimed that up to 500,000 Kosovars were feared dead. Clinton claimed that his bombing prevented Milosevic from “deliberate, systematic efforts at ethnic cleansing and genocide.”

The chief prosecutor for the UN war crimes tribunal, Carla Del Ponte, can confirm only the 2,108 figure. That’s what she reported to the UN Security Council.

Pathologist Emilio Perez Pujol, who led a Spanish forensic team looking for bodies, found only 187, mostly in individual graves. He calculated that “the final figure of dead in Kosovo will be 2,500 at the most. This includes lots of strange deaths that can’t be blamed on anyone in particular.

Clinton wanted war with Kosovo! He lied us to war!

By Why Wasn't Punk As-s Daniel Whining About This?

July 3, 2006 07:08 PM | Link to this

Can you believe that this is happening in the main street of Belgrade several hundred meters from the hospital? For the past few weeks I have really aged. Then they bombed the TV station only 900 meters from my flat. In that attack 17 people were killed and crushed.

• I can say for sure that many people were killed in that attack and that the exact number will probably never be found out. It was a horrible experience…All the mother and the babies were evacuated into the [hospital] basements (we are not sure if it was before or after the detonations started, because the sirens are sometimes a ‘little’ bit late). The babies were placed tightly next to each other as logs, horrible picture;*

Let me explain to you the meaning of the NATO’s phrase ‘collateral damage’: 15 people were killed and more than 60 seriously injured. I personally saw body of a pregnant woman lying on the street with a bag with groceries besides.

Maybe because Clinton did it?

By @@

July 3, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

See rushncap:

That’s yours and Daniel’s problem. You assume. I think you’d be surprised how many conservatives have no opposition to gay unions. Emphasis on the word unions. It’s a win win. To compromise is well advised. On some issues the pendulum stops dead center.

But liberals are so enraged, they often can’t hear for their own hysteria.

I hope that link comes through for you and Daniel. I do tend to visualize the rage and hysteria of the left. Your words say it, but sometimes I like pictures.

I accept that apology with grace and dignity.

By Vic

July 3, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

Tomorrow is July 4th. For those of us who pause to remember battle casualties of WW II, Korea, even Vietnam, do not link them with anything of Iraq. An entirely different cast of characters and character. Recall the absurdity of Desert Storm where hundreds of tanks, APCs, etc. thundered across the land. Against what? The famed Red Guard was not there. The Iraqi Army was not there. The vaunted Iraqi airforce was not there. For months on end the media you so despise brought 24/7 photos of bombing attacks, including not-so-smart-bombs. What were we bombing? And then the world began to hear the word “hero.” Used by people who had/have no concept of the definition of “war” or “hero” or “victory.” “Desert Storm Victories.” Parades. Celebrations. Such a hoax. What a sham. No heroes in Iraq. A few actions of individual bravery - but that’s the nature of the job, isn’t it? The current Iraq farce. We are witnessing the results of generations of people brought up on TV, video games, boomboxes, tiny radios - anything else to help them completely escape the responsibility of developing the mind, morals, ethics. Tune out reality and learning at all costs. Be unable to communicate in any substantial manner. And so we will witness an unacceptable degree of military murders, rapes, even burnings. No different from what takes place in our own cities. Generations of guys who possess “The Wrong Stuff.” Stepping out of a most pleasant early retirement, I spend 2 long days weekly at a VA hospital, working with the worst of the psych patients of today - the mad and the mutilated. By choice. As tragic and needless as are their horrid physical wounds, these are not bright people. The mental ability and intellectual levels are stunningly low and lacking. The blood they have spilled is completely on the hands of Bush and all those who support his stultifying, disgusting insanity. You Chickenhawks should muster up some fortitude and visit a large VA hospital - if you can find one. Observe the results of your handiwork for a few days. Ah, but that will never be. You cannot tolerate truth or reality. But “heroes”? Don’t lump that word with past military people. Enjoy. I’ve got to get moving or I’ll be late. Tho my clients aren’t going anywhere today - if ever.

By Clinton Lied! Children Died!

July 3, 2006 07:12 PM | Link to this

Pentagon Report Whitewashes Civilian Deaths in Yugoslavia

(Washington, February 8, 2000) — The U.S. Defense Department review of the NATO bombing campaign in Yugoslavia shows that the alliance has failed to learn from its mistakes in killing civilians, Human Rights Watch charged today.

Meanwhile, a 79-page Human Rights Watch report released yesterday documents that the number of incidents in which civilians were killed in the NATO air campaign in Yugoslavia is at least three times as high as what the Pentagon has claimed.

Roth noted that for every bomb dropped and missile launched, civilians were roughly twice as likely to die in Yugoslavia as they were during the 1991 allied bombing campaign in Iraq.

By Selective Outrage

July 3, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

Clinton, the Real baby killer:

In this summary, we examine the evidence gathered by the International Commission of Inquiry as to whether there was a deliberate effort by the NATO forces to target civilians during the bombing campaign of March 24 to June 11, 1999.

Our investigators were able to gather considerable documentary evidence of civilian casualties during the bombings of Yugoslavia, compiling a long list of names, places, and dates of innocent people killed. Refugee columns, buses, trains, bridges, markets, and apartment buildings were hit by NATO bombs, causing extensive casualties.

Investigators also looked more broadly at the war, and asked questions about the long-term impact of the bombing on Yugoslav civilians. This included the impact of the environmental devastation caused by the bombings and the targeting of civilian infrastructure, which will cause even more suffering, illness and deaths among the civilian population in the years to come.

By RW-(the original)

July 3, 2006 07:16 PM | Link to this

@@,

Daniel’s “high ground” must be down in the fever swamps where getalife hangs out. Somehow getalife manages to bring back his wacky stories, from down there, without going into a blind rage of accusations masquerading as questions.

By So Who's Hands Would This Blood Be On?

July 3, 2006 07:25 PM | Link to this

At least 100 civilians died after Nato bombed what it said were “legitimate military targets” in the village of Korisa, southern Kosovo. Footage broadcast by Serbian TV showed charred remains, including at least two children, smouldering homes and burning tractors.

At least 23 people died when a Nato missile aimed at the Luzane bridge north of Pristina hit a passenger bus. News reports on Serb television showed that one part of the vehicle had plunged off the bridge while the rest had burned for more than an hour. Nato’s Colonel Konrad Freytag said: “Unfortunately, after the weapon’s release, a bus crossed on the bridge but was not seen by the pilot whose attention was focused on his aim point during weapon trajectory”.

[Yugoslavia reported that at least 20 people lost their lives when Nato bombs hit a sanotorium and neighbouring old people’s home in Surdulica, south-east Serbia - the second loss of civilian life in the town since bombing began.[(http://www.aeronautics.ru/casualties02.htm

By finch

July 3, 2006 09:27 PM | Link to this

You know that whatshisname is approaching his favorite bottom feeding spot when he falls back on his favorite rationalization…

“But Clinton did it toooooo!!!!”

Naturally, that makes any theoretical “war crime” under President Bush forgivable and forgettable.

(Please note that I’m not accusing Bush or Clinton of any war crime whatsoever)

I’m sure everyone finds this “moral relativism” as nauseating as I do. Right?

But at least he’s not blaming this on hip-hop, gays, sex ed, the ACLU or Planned Parenthood.

Why does he hate America??

By Actually

July 3, 2006 09:42 PM | Link to this

Look at the little stalker, finch, posting at his chickensh-it hour when he thinks I won’t respond.

By finch July 3, 2006 09:27 PM You know that whatshisname is approaching his favorite bottom feeding spot when he falls back on his favorite rationalization…“But Clinton did it toooooo!!!!”

I could give a crap about Clinton, my point is solely addressed to you sucka-ss liberals.

Where was the outrage when Clinton was killing innocents in Kosovo?

You gave up your moral authority, coward, when you looked the other way from the blo-wjob in chief’s misdeed’s.

Stupid little wanker.

By Andy's Only Post, With finch Attached To My Leg

July 4, 2006 07:35 AM | Link to this

Washington —- A recently discharged Army private appeared in federal court Monday on charges that he raped and murdered an Iraqi woman after rounding up and killing three members of her family in the central Iraqi town of Mahmoudiya.

If found guilty on murder charges, Green could be sentenced to death.

*An affidavit submitted by FBI Special Agent Gregor J. Ahlers in Kentucky said that a “personality disorder” led to Green’s discharge before the Mahmoudiya allegations came to light.

On and on and on and on for twenty some paragraphs, you’d think the libs at the Atlanta Urinal were taking advantage of some political angle with this.

And then, if you look reeeeaaaalllll hard, you’ll find this:

ATLANTA: Teenager raped in abandoned house. A teenage girl was pulled into an abandoned house and raped about 7:30 a.m. Monday, Atlanta police said. The house is near Windsor and Fletcher streets, said Investigator NaTanya Albritton.

Where’s the screaming headlines for this?

This one doesn’t serve a purpose to you liberals?

It’s almost as though you’re not even concerned.

Can’t slander the troops with it?

No anti American angle to be found here?

Cut

This year there is a new book almost tailor-made for that purpose. Its title is “Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies” by Gregory Jackson. In it, all sorts of political and media spin are shot to pieces by hard facts.

If you think the Constitution of the United States provides for “separation of church and state,” that George W. Bush is not as smart as either Al Gore or John Kerry, or that the big-money donors to political campaigns give more to Republicans than to Democrats, this book provides documented facts showing the opposite.-WashingtonTimes

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Altogether, these three stories helped al-Qaeda to transfer money more securely, to conceal its communications more effectively, and to identify potential targets for terrorist retaliation and blackmail. Short of printing coupons to offer terrorists discounts on their next purchase of a nuclear device, it’s hard to imagine how a media organization could provide more assistance to the terrorist enemy than these stories in the Times and Post have done.

The divulgence of crucial national secrets has elicited remarkably little outrage from Democrats in Congress. Few have stepped forward to defend the Times or the civil servants who leaked to it, but almost none has condemned the leak, either.

This is more than merely a partisan question. It goes directly to the question of whether the U.S. and the West will be able to combat terrorism as united societies—or whether their left wings will opt out, or balk, or worse.-AEI

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Shifting Winds on Iraq

TOM HAYDEN-THE NATION

EVENTS IN IRAQ AND WASHINGTON, DC, ARE CHANGING BY THE DAY, OFFERING THE PEACE MOVEMENT AND DEMOCRATS NEW DILEMMAS—AND NEW OPPORTUNITIES TO TAKE THE ANTIWAR INITIATIVE AS THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS APPROACH.

IT ISN’T ABOUT FREEDOM, IT ISN’T ABOUT DEMOCRACY, IT’S NOT ABOUT AMERICA.

NOPE, TO THE LIBS, IT’S ALL ABOUT THE MID TERMS.

SICK, SICK IN THE HEAD.

CUT

BROUGHT TO YOU BY LIBERALISM:

35 million children affected by divorce since 1970;

Young adults experience 15 million cases of sexually transmitted diseases a year

One-third of all children born out of wedlock;

50 million women live alone;

Cohabitation increased tenfold since 1960;

43 million abortions.

Thanks a lot.

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Americans may in fact be dying literally now because of what the terrorists have been told — and ultimately because a jerk inherited the New York Times. As usual, the mainstream media circled the wagons around one of their own. The media spin is that the terrorists were already bound to know that we were monitoring their international transfers of money. The Times says terrorists had to “suspect” this.-HumanEvents

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Angry pinkos everywhere!

Mexican left’s anger simmers after contested vote

MEXICO CITY (REUTERS) - MEXICO’S LEFT, STILL SMARTING FROM A 1988 PRESIDENTIAL VOTE IT SAYS WAS STOLEN FROM IT, SIMMERED WITH ANGER ON MONDAY AS ITS DREAMS OF POWER WERE FRUSTRATED BY ANOTHER CONTESTED ELECTION.-REUTERS

I wonder if they’ll try to trash their whole country in a stupid mindless fit of political spite, like the libs are doing here? Or will they act like adults, hahahahaha, yea, right.

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Anti-war protesters begin July 4 fast

The demonstration marking the Independence Day holiday was organized by CodePink, a women’s anti-war group that called on volunteers to abstain from eating for 24 hours from midnight on Monday.-Reuters

24 hours? That’s it? Some commitment. Now maybe if we could get you to quit breathing for 24 hours, ahhhhh, it’s only a joke.

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Benjamin Franklin, on God and Country:

I have lived a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men! If it had not been for the justice of our cause, and the consequent interposition of Providence in which we had faith, we must have been ruined. If I had ever before been an atheist, I should now have been convinced of the being and government of a Deity. It is He who abases the proud and favors the humble! May we never forget his goodness to us, and may our future conduct manifest our gratitude.-HumanEvents

Amen.

By Rebuttal to Andy's Only Post

July 4, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

zzzzz

By finch

July 4, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

Rebuttal,

You have to cut the perv some slack. It’s a holiday after all. But I really hope he seeks treatment soon for his acute paranoia.

By finch

July 4, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this

WASHINGTON, July 3 — The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday.

Michael Scheuer, a former senior C.I.A. official who was the first head of the unit, said the move reflected a view within the agency that Mr. bin Laden was no longer the threat he once was.

The administration’s reaction to criticism that, nearly 5 years after 9/11, it still hasn’t found Osama is to demote him.

How convenient.

By Actually, I Believe They Demoted Michael Scheuer

July 4, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

So why aren’t we crediting this story back to the NY Treason Times, from whence it came? Worried about your credibility?:

By finch July 4, 2006 09:15 AM Michael Scheuer, a former senior C.I.A. official who was the first head of the unit, said the move reflected a view within the agency that Mr. bin Laden was no longer the threat he once was. The administration’s reaction to criticism that, nearly 5 years after 9/11, it still hasn’t found Osama is to demote him.

Could it be, gasp, that Michael Scheuer might possibly be the reason that we haven’t found Bin Laden after five years? After all, partisan political attacks on your bosses and the country you live in can be very time consuming:

CBS One of the Central Intelligence Agency’s foremost experts on Osama bin Laden has stepped out of the shadows and joined the public debate over past mistakes and future strategy in the war on terror. Michael Scheuer is the senior intelligence analyst who created and advised a secret CIA unit for tracking and eliminating bin Laden since 1996. He’s also been at the center of a battle between the CIA and the White House over Mideast policy and the war on terror.

Real nice expert you and the Treason Times have found there, maggot.

What more would you expect from an anti American bit-ch on our great Nation’s birthday?

Why don’t you soak your f’kn head, finch?

By @@

July 4, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

There’s a wonderful story posted at Wooten’s blog. A lesson in humility. Maybe the “elite” here should step down from their “high horse” and go have a looksee, but only if you can see beyond the era of Vietnam, otherwise you just won’t get it.

As for ml’s web service today, a strategically placed bottle rocket in the interest of “posterity” would do wonders for this malfunctioning site.

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

finch,

Demoting is what you do to anybody they do kill or capture anyway. Are you mad that they may have beaten you to it this time?

Of course back in the real world we know that the group in question was set up under a different administration and had proved itself ineffective. With special forces in place to pressure OBL these CIA analysts were much more valuable in other counter terrorism positions.

In finch’s world a group that had been formed in 1996, to stop Bin Laden, was a well oiled machine that had prevented OBL from killing any Americans and that taxpayers should keep funding forever.

finch’s world is a very dangerous place slap full of useful idiots.

By @@

July 4, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

Andy:

Thanks for revealing Scheuer motivations. At the end of your article, I read this:

“You wrote in your book that he’s a great man,” says Kroft.

“Yes, certainly a man, without the connotation good or bad, he’s a great man in the sense that he’s influenced the course of history,” says Scheuer.

Does he respect bin Laden? “Until we respect him, we are going to die in numbers that are probably unnecessary,” says Scheuer.

finch, if you admire this Scheuer guy, you’re thinking is as ^^^ warped as his.

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

RW, I’m glad you find Juanita Broderick so credible. Too bad no district attourney ever did. Or anyone to the left of the National Review, for that matter. Why did Clinton leave Oxford? I don’t know. Must’ve been rape, though! I mean, why else would anyone ever leave a university? Hell, half the people in my program dropped out within 2 years, and I’m pretty sure they all raped someone (in case of one guy I’m fairly certain it was a politically well-connected goat).

Clinton really should have stuck to what Bush is doing: waving the flag while sending thousands of our children to go die in the desert for no reason. Now THAT is a true leader.

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

rushncap,

I’m sure you can look in your trusty mirror and see why the people dropped out of your class.

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

No no, I think you were right the first time. Anyone who drops out of college must’ve raped someone. Or is that only Clinton? It’s amazing how gullible you are, RW. Well, not “amazing”. Sad. Pathetic. Disturbing. And maybe a little funny.

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

rushncap,

Is there something about The Fourth of July, Independence Day in America, that has you foaming at the mouth today?

By finch

July 4, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

If Scheuer was such a screwup, why wasn’t his special Osama team disbanded years ago?

Typical revisionism here. Dissolve the bin Landen task force… and declare victory.

Where is that Osama dude anyway?

@@

Respecting someone doesn’t mean liking someone. Respecting someone is taking him very, very seriously. Not respecting someone’s evil cunning in killing thousands of Americans is to invite him to do it again. I pray all Americans arent that dumb.

By getalife

July 4, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

Happy Birthday America!

W’s birthday present to America

A Presenditial pardon, if you will.

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

getalife,

It’s your originality that sets you apart! Instead of just copying finch, you linked to the printer friendly version of the same old story about Clinton’s worthless OBL task force. You ought to send a tip to your new buddy in Ybor City, he hasn’t linked this one yet.

By @@

July 4, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

finch:

I know the dual meaning of the word “respect”. I also know how people like to selectively apply definitions.

Funny how Scheuer credits the definition of “greatness” to OBL for influencing the course of history, but liberals won’t attach that same definition to our military and George Bush.

It’s pathetic, sad, and very selective.

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

RW, is there something about the Fourth of July, the Independence Day in America that has you making up random lies about our leaders?

Oh, and if that task force was so “worthless” why did Bush keep it around for 5.5 years of his presidency, “bolstering” its ranks after 9/11?

By Scooter

July 4, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Happy 4th everyone.

Michael Scheuer:

“In Sudan, Bin Laden decided to acquire and, when possible, use chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear (CBRN) weapons against Islam’s enemies. Bin Laden’s first moves in this direction were made in cooperation with NIF [Sudan’s National Islamic Front], Iraq’s intelligence service and Iraqi CBRN scientists and technicians. He made contact with Baghdad with its intelligence officers in Sudan

Although they found no evidence that Saddam had made any WMD since 1992, they found documents which showed the “guiding theme” of his regime was to be able to start making them again with as short a lead time as possible.”

To keep America at bay, he focusing on Russia, France and China - three of the five UN Security Council members with the power to veto war. Politicians, journalists and diplomats were all given lavish gifts and oil-for-food vouchers.

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

rushncap,

He thought it would work and he was likely wrong, although the New York Times and Scheuer are probably only giving us a tiny piece of the puzzle.

My default position would be to scrap any program and fire any person that Bill Clinton had a hand in placing into our government. Thank God President Bush is more interested in getting the job done instead of taking opinion polls and pointing fingers like Bubba.

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

I would agree, @@. Amazing, for once we agree. Both Bush and bin Laden are great men, and in much the same way. They have both profoundly, negatively influenced this world over the past half decade. The world would have been much much better off without both of them.

It’s astonishing when we agree, no?

By Lost In The Fog Of Liberalism

July 4, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

And the fog coming out of his yammering little trap:

By finch July 4, 2006 11:17 AM If Scheuer was such a screwup, why wasn’t his special Osama team disbanded years ago?

No wonder Mr. Stalker is so dependent on government to fulfill his each and every need. He has no idea about capitalism and it’s measures of success.

So how long should we have given Scheuer in his mission to undermine the United States, err, find Bin Laden? A Century? 15 minutes? Seems like 10 years is a pretty even benchmark for establishing, in this case, failure of your business model.

Only a dumba-ss cripple like finch would deem a total loser like Scheuer to be some kind of “expert” intelligence wizard. It isn’t like the guy’s whole purpose in life was to find Bin Laden, and I seriously doubt if he had like the backing of the entire United States behind him or anything like that.

Oh wait, yes he did.

And he blew it. Like a true Clinton disciple (See that, rushncrap, how my wit seamlessly weaves in and out of the dripping sarcasms, get it, “blew” as in chubby White House interns?) his legacy is a complete collapse of the one and only thing asked of him by his country.

And like a real pinko, his response to his personal failings is just like all the rest of them, blame Bush.

It’s all they’re capable of.

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

My default position would be to scrap any program and fire any person that Bill Clinton had a hand in placing into our government. And you wonder why I call you an “idiot”.

By @@

July 4, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

rushncap:

It’s so interesting how you chose to exclude Clinton with all the evidence that attributes him with neglect of OBL.

And “No” rushncap, we don’t agree. Nice try, but no cigar.

By Support our New Iraqi Government

July 4, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

Iraq Demands Justice in Rape-Slay Case, BAGHDAD, Iraq - The justice minister demanded Tuesday that the U.N. Security Council ensure that a group of U.S. troops are punished in the alleged rape and murder of a young Iraqi and the killing of her family, calling the attack “monstrous and inhuman.”

“We demand severe punishment for the FIVE soldiers involved,” al-Sharif said. “Denouncements are not enough. If this act has taken place in another country, the world would have turned upside down.”

Chop One, Chop Two, Chop Three, Chop Four, Chop Five. Tag em and Bag em. MISSION ACOMPLISHED!

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

“Exclude” Clinton? Umm, @@, we were not talking about Clinton. You compared Bush to bin Laden. I agreed with you that the two are comparable in many ways. That is all. I’m on your side here!

And, btw, Clinton is the best President we’ve has since, probably, Kennedy. Johnson has a claim with the Civil Rights Act, but he messed up too many other things (most notably Vietnam) to qualify. No one else since then comes even close.

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

It’s easy to lose track of all the names you call me and everyone else you don’t agree with. Sadly that 2 year class of yours at the reeducation camp must have been very limiting. Hey, maybe the smart ones are the ones that got out.

By I Demand Justice, Too

July 4, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

If they are guilty, all 5 should face the maximum sentence.

After all. I am not a pinko liberal, working my life away to free all kinds of murderers and rapists from death row, remember Tookie, dumba-ss?

Yep, selective outrage.

These pieces of sh-it don’t care about that family or our soldiers, they just want to do in the United States.

F them.

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

RW, you seem to know an awful lot about what you call “reeducation camps”. What are those, and how do you have so much knowledge.

And, yes, only an idiot would want to fire the whole government based on his irrational hatred of a single man. An idiot is a person who is not capable of thinking rationally. You keep demonstrating over and over that you are in that camp.

By @@

July 4, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

Funny how you ignore the use of the word “selectively” in my response, but I guess “convenient” albeit “selective” use of the english language is what makes liberals useful tools for your party.

So I guess that makes you a “tool”. Congratulations.

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

I didn’t say the whole government, just the ones Clinton hired. Try to keep up. I like Clinton, he just happened to be the worst President this country has ever had. Hell if it wasn’t for Ross Perot we would never have been subjected to him anyway.

By Now That's Just Ridiculous

July 4, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

By rushncrap July 4, 2006 12:16 PM And, btw, Clinton is the best President we’ve has since, probably, Kennedy. Johnson has a claim with the Civil Rights Act, but he messed up too many other things (most notably Vietnam) to qualify. No one else since then comes even close.

Why is that, rushncrap, because he brought us September 11th, 2001? Did you and your dropout classmates think 9/11 was really cool? Did your pinko “professor” make you write an essay on how “brave” the hijackers were?

Clinton the best, snicker, snicker. Don’t ask, don’t tell. Vince Foster, Dead! Somalia with Bin Laden on his a-ss. Ruby Ridge. Waco and 88 children Dead! (where’s the shrieking f-ag outrage for them, Daniel, slaughtered right here in the U.S.A.) Elian Gonzales. Oklahoma City. The Olympic Bombings. The first WTC bombing. The bombing of the USS Cole. Articles Of Impeachment. On and on and on and on.

Yeah, Clinton was the “best.”

By Rushncrap, Stoned!

July 4, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

By rushncap July 4, 2006 12:25 PM And, yes, only an idiot would want to fire the whole government based on his irrational hatred of a single man.

This statement could apply to the entire democratic party and the drive by media for the last 5 years.

Think about it, if you’re not too wasted.

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

Well, at least I am beginning to understand why you’re a neocon, RW. You know absolutely NO history.

According to rankings done by scholars, Clinton is at #21, Shrub at #22, Reagan at #14 and JFK at #12. The Reagan ranking may stay around there for good, but the Bush ranking is almost certain to drop. http://www.answers.com/topic/historical-rankings-of-united-states-presidents

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

li’l andy, do you notice that I don’t respond to you? Please stop spamming.

By @@

July 4, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

I guess I better be “precise” in my definition of tool. Liberals can grant themselves the privelege of selective language, then I can too.:

tool: Noun. 1. A p***s, implying its supposed usefulness. [1200s] 2. An idiot, a contemptible person.

Again, congratulations. On this day of independence, your country and the brave men and women who defend it, also defend your right to exhibit yourself as the definition above ^^^ all else. May freedom ring.

By I Don't Blame You For Not Responding

July 4, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

By rushncrap July 4, 2006 12:49 PM li’l andy, do you notice that I don’t respond to you?

Very smart move, rushncrap. For once.

You could get hurt.

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

I bet you could find “scholars” to rank which animals someone like yourself might prefer over others too.

Any scholar or historian worth listening too wouldn’t be ranking Presidents in his or her own generation because the world wide effects of their Presidencies couldn’t possibly be known by then. Anyone ranking a sitting President in historical terms is a fool.

Granted President Bush’s vision for the Middle East is fraught with challenges and pitfalls, but if it succeeds he should be viewed by historians as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

By getalife

July 4, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

Does this mean W cut and ran from OBL and his gang of thugs?

I spoke to my brother today and he has been doing some reading on our government.

We are now on the same page.

By @@

July 4, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

rushncap lives in the moment of overheated passion, like a radiator looking to blow it’s cap under pressure. It’s no wonder that he cannot see the future as history in the making.

I like Churchill’s take on history.

Winston Churchill: History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

First of all, RW, who the hell is Bush to have a “vision for the Middle East”? How would you like for some Shah in Iran or Jordan to have a “vision for North America”? It is not his job to be reshaping the world as he sees fit. This is not even touching on the subject that neither he nor any of the people running his politics have any grasp on policy.

Second of all, IF he succeeds is a giant if, and so far he is failing rather spectacularly. His theory that “maybe if we shoot and kill enough people they will become democratic” seems to be fraught with enough holes to make the big black one in the middle of our galaxy have size insecurity.

Third of all, no President who lead a nation into a war of choice is ever considered great. Vietnam, Spanish-Cuban, Korea, these are all negatives in the legacies of their respective Presidents. Even the Mexican War is dubious, although that, at least, added to the size of U.S.A.

By Crackey

July 4, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

Happy Birthday, USA!!!

@@, you are so funny!

I admire someone who can riff with the best of them, and you, girlfriend, can riff!!

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

History is kind to Churchill, @@, not because he wrote it, but because he was a great man. But, again, in a backhanded way you’re right: the only way history will be kind to Bush is if he writes it.

By Why Do Libs Make Everything So Complicated?

July 4, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

By getalife July 4, 2006 01:06 PM Does this mean W cut and ran from OBL and his gang of thugs?

Let’s go over this real slow.

Bush wants Bin Laden in October so he can parade him around right before the elections.

The current “find Bin Laden department” of the government is staffed by anti American Clinton rejects who are apparently also incompetent, seeing how Bin Laden is still free.

So it seems like a good idea to rid ourselves of the classic Clinton incompetency and get some real actors in there.

This is where we seem to be losing the pinkos. Their idea of success differs from ours, that could be why they say silly things like “Clinton was great.”

I’m almost positive the United States not finding OBL for another ten years would be looked upon by the libs as a “success.”

That’s why the citizens of this country put Bush in charge. As always, he makes another good decision.

I figure 2 or 3 months to pick up his scent and then, Wham!, Bin Laden doing a perp walk at Gitmo.

And then the Supreme Court can go to work assuring that he gets his constitutional rights.

But we’ll fix that, too.

By Midori

July 4, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

Granted President Bush’s vision for the Middle East is fraught with challenges and pitfalls, but if it succeeds he should be viewed by historians as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

LOL

For a second there, I thought I had stumbled upon the Comedy Central message boards.

What has this “man” ever “succeeded” in?

Outrageous deficit spending? MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

Booming economy geared towards the rich?

By Crackey

July 4, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

If Andy’s logic is correct, then FDR should have sent our army to Iraq after the German’s bombed Pearl Harbor.

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

How did Kosovo miss your list?

By the way, some of those shahs, sheiks, and mullahs DO have a vision for us. It’s called a world wide Caliphate and I’m pretty happy we have a President with balls enough to confront that with a different choice.

By Midori

July 4, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

AKRON, Ohio — A local Marine who service in Iraq earned several medals for serving his country, but he’s giving back one of the medals to the White House as a form of protest.

Sgt. Matthew Bee is a decorated Akron Marine who spent seven months in Hadeetha, serving with the 3rd Battalion 25th Marines Weapons Company based in Brook Park.

Bee received six medals of commendation, but one of them he will give back to President George W. Bush, calling the medal political, NewsChannel5 reported.

The medal is the War on Terrorism service medal, and Bee calls it “eye candy” from Bush.

“So, he took something noble and honorable and made it kind of dirty. And I always thought that medal was the one he pinned on us and said, ‘This is my war. This is my stamp in history,’” said Bee.

By Midori

July 4, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

If Andy’s logic is correct, then FDR should have sent our army to Iraq after the German’s bombed Pearl Harbor.

you are being too kind.

ROFL!!!!

By Another True Liberal Joins The Fray

July 4, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

And it’s just another dumba-ss like the rest of them:

By Crackey July 4, 2006 01:27 PM If Andy’s logic is correct, then FDR should have sent our army to Iraq after the German’s bombed Pearl Harbor.

Same school as rushncrap, Crackey?

By Bush Sux

July 4, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

Barf Bag One- The official Barf Bag of The United States Of America!

By Midori

July 4, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

By the way, some of those shahs, sheiks, and mullahs DO have a vision for us. It’s called a world wide Caliphate and I’m pretty happy we have a President with balls enough to confront that with a different choice.

I knew sexual incompetency was the driving force behind your feelings, RW.

And what “choice” would that be?

Perhaps we should invade Russa next? Didn’t they give us a dirty look?

Or Korea? Didn’t they call us a “poo poo head”?

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

Kosovo was not a war, RW. That was a humanitarian mission to prevent (further) ethnic cleansing. You know, using our army to prevent thousands of deaths, rather than incur them. It’s called “caring about other people”. Read a book about it in your local library. Oh, and how many U.S. soldiers died in Kosovo, RW? Come on, what’s the number? Don’t be shy, tell all the folks.

You’re right, they do have a “vision”. So, how do you like it? How’s it feel for some foreigner, who has never been to our land, to have a vision as to what we should be, what we should do? Feels great, huh? So I ask you again: who the hell is Bush to have a “vision for the Middle Eat”? What makes him the “decider” of the fates of millions of people he does not know, who never voted for him, who never asked for his involvement? Are you going to answer that, or are you just going to keep chanting “Bush is great, Clinton is evil!”?

By Midori

July 4, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

It’s a joke, dimwit. Didn’t you see Animal House?

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Is the Middle Eat a reference to Mama Moonbat’s hunger strike?

How many bodies were found in this “ethnic cleansing” that Clinton lied us into war over. Sorry but bombing a place into oblivion from 50,000 feet might be your idea of a humanitarian mission, but normal folks would call that war. I love the way you libs just redefine anything and presto chango you have your justification.

Oh Hi Midori, sticking with this name today or are you just warming up the wanker mobile?

By Why America Is So Great

July 4, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

And why the pinkos hate it so much:

*In a section on private versus communal farming, Bradford wrote that in 1623, because of a corn shortage, the colonists “began to think how they might raise” more. After much debate, they abandoned their doctrine, which they brought with them on the Mayflower, that all agriculture should be a collective, community undertaking. It was decided, Bradford wrote, that “they should set corn every man for his own particular, and in that regard trust to themselves.” That is, they “assigned to every family a parcel of land,” ending communal cultivation of that crop.

“This,” Bradford reported, “had very good success, for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been by any means.” Indeed, “the women now went willingly into the field, and took their little ones with them to set corn; which before would allege weakness and inability; whom to have compelled would have been thought great tyranny and oppression.” So began the American recoil from collectivism. Just three years after the settlers came ashore (not at Plymouth Rock, and far from their intended destination, the mouth of the Hudson), they began their ascent to individualism.*

So began the harnessing, for the general good, of the fact that human beings are moved, usually and powerfully, by self-interest. So began the unleashing of American energies through freedom — voluntarism rather than coercion. So began America.

rushncrap: Which came first, 9/11/01 or Bush’s attack of Iraq in 3/2003?

By Joe Roman

July 4, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

Mike’s NYTimes cartoon illustrates the sorry state of the GOP. Poll after poll makes it clear that the public has lost confidence in the neoconservative way of doing things. Rather than listening to the people, the Repubicans now in power have chosen the most cynical, least responsive and by far the most dishonest means of dealing with public dissatisfaction with their policies, attiTude and approach. Gay marriage and flag burning have quickly proven obsolete as ways of manipulating and distracting prospective voters. Demonizing those who oppose the war is also proving to be a failure. It appears the oldest trick in the neocon playbook is all that’s left. BLAME THE MEDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!(it’s the only scapegoat left). The smart money says this ploy will also fail. While this may all be delicious fun for those of us who have railed against the rightwing fraud perpetrated on this country for so long, but the most important reaction to the decline of the neocons has yet to take place. The big question has yet to be answered. Will moderate and truly conservative Republicans see the handwriting on the wall and abandon the extremists to whom they surrendered their party Distance themselves from the wingnuts and again offer voters nuance and consensus rather than cynicism and manipulation?

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this

Here’s a good story about what the world would look like if we took rushncap’s advice and stayed out of International entanglements.

This may be the key to why he hates this country so much:

A resurgent Russia, meanwhile, would be breathing down the neck of its “near abroad” neighbors. Forget the democratic revolutions in Ukraine and Georgia, Comrade! In Europe, they’d be taking orders from Paris or Berlin - if those rivals weren’t at each other’s throats again.

By Civilians Don't Count In Clinton's "War"

July 4, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

By rushncap July 4, 2006 01:43 PM Oh, and how many U.S. soldiers died in Kosovo, RW? Come on, what’s the number? Don’t be shy, tell all the folks.

Washington, February 7, 2000—About five hundred civilians died in ninety separate incidents as a result of NATO bombing in Yugoslavia last year, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today.

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

How many died in the ethnic cleansing, RW? Well, though I’ve already showed you a link once, a while ago, here is another one. http://balkansnet.org/ethnicl.html

200,000 died in that war. Is that not enough? Or because they’re not American you don’t give a damn?

By @@

July 4, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

Well now we do agree.

Kosovo was not a war, RW. That was a humanitarian mission to prevent (further) ethnic cleansing. You know, using our army to prevent thousands of deaths, rather than incur them. It’s called “caring about other people”.

Saddam Hussein will face a second trial, for genocide against Iraq’s Kurds in the 1980s, prosecutors at the Special Tribunal said.

Although I would call “The War on Terror” a war of global proportions. It has been proven such with attacks by Islamic Radicals around the world.

That’s “caring about other people”, unless, of course, you get to select who the real victims are. Democrats do like to keep their victims close at hand though, it makes up their constituency so I understand why you are feeling displaced by Iraq.

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

RW, I never said the U.S. should stay out of all foreign affars. That does NOT mean we have a carte blanche to invade anyone and everyone we want.

By Happy Birthday!

July 4, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

Gone would be 17 percent of UNICEF’s costs to feed, vaccinate, educate and protect children in 157 countries - and 31 percent of the budget of the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees, which assists more than 19 million refugees across the globe.

In 2005, Washington dispensed $28 billion in foreign aid, more than double the amount of the next highest donor (Japan), contributing nearly 26 percent of all official development assistance from the large industrialized countries.

Moreover, President Bush’s five-year $15 billion commitment under the Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief is the largest commitment by a single nation toward an international health initiative - ever - working in over 100 (mostly African) countries.

And what does Uncle Sam get in return? Mostly grief, especially from all the ungrateful freeloaders who benefit tremendously from the global “public goods” we so selflessly provide with our time, effort, blood and treasure. How easily - and conveniently - they forget … unless they need help, of course.

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 02:18 PM | Link to this

Here’s another source, rushncap It comes from right up ^ ^ ^ there.

By Joe Roman

July 4, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

Nice Pearl Harbor analogy, Midori.

By Let's Do Iran

July 4, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

Again, could there be a better summary of America’s relationship with the Islamic Republic of Iran? Our “history of repeated injuries” begins with the hostages in 1979, continues with a long series of Iranian-sponsored terrorist attacks against American targets, from Beirut in 1983 to the Khobar Towers bombing in 1996, to Iran’s active support for attacks on American troops in Iraq.

When the Iranians are providing weapons and training to Iraqi insurgents and sending their agents to fight alongside Shiite militias, why haven’t we drawn the conclusion that Iran is already waging war against us?

The only way to win the war on terror.

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

We have elections to figure out who gets to decide these things. We can choose to elect someone that is busy playing with himself and bombing innocent civilians from 50,000 ft, while ignoring the true threats that resulted in 9/11, or we can choose to elect someone that decides to confront a situation that breeds anti-Americanism.

So he started in the Middle East instead of Berkeley, it was probably a close call.

By Crackey

July 4, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

W cut and run in Afghanistan. He flipped flop on destroying Al Queda in Afghanistan. W is a flip-flopper’s flip-flopper, and a cut-and-runner’s cut-and-runner. (and an idiot)

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

While, I have no idea where that cut-paste is from, based on my really quick google search, I have come up with the fact that the death toll might be exagerated, and is, at the very least, debatable. Fine. So, here’s a situation. It’s very possible that in Bosnia there is ethnic cleansing going on. You know for a fact that there is an extra-governmental army terrorizing the local population, causing deaths and tens of thousands of refugees. Do you a) shut your eyes, ignore this, and just keep on doing what you were doing or b) try to help those people, even if their plight is somewhat exagerated? What do you do, RW?

By Tax Cuts For The Rich, Eh?

July 4, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

In the first eight months of the current fiscal year, federal tax receipts have increased by 13 percent, the second-highest rate of growth for that eight-month period in the last 25 years, surpassed only by last year’s increase of 15 percent.

Further, the share of taxes paid by the wealthiest 10 percent has increased in each year since the 2003 tax cut, rising from less than 50 percent of all income taxes paid in 2003 to almost 60 percent in 2005.

Gee, maybe they could be the only ones paying taxes?

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

Let’s Do Iran,

Here’s an illustration of your post and not all cartoonists chose to snub the Birthday of the United States like cartoon boy.

By Midori

July 4, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

We can choose to elect someone that is busy playing with himself and bombing innocent civilians from 50,000 ft,

Isn’t that exactly what Bush is doing/did?

WTF are you complaining about, then?

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

B) I help those people. Intervention in the Balkans is one of the very few things I agreed with Clinton on, but his insistence on bombing the way he did was done strictly to make sure no American died and was done with no regard to innocents on the ground. He then quickly turned over control of American soldiers to NATO so we have very little say in how they are used and for how long.

It’s very interesting that your hypothetical fits so well with the reasoning behind our liberation of Iraq, yet you declare that an unmitigated disaster.

By @@

July 4, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman:

This from your 1:56 post was a hilarious example of your victimization.

Will moderate and truly conservative Republicans see the handwriting on the wall and abandon the extremists to whom they surrendered their party Distance themselves from the wingnuts and again offer voters nuance and consensus rather than cynicism and manipulation?

Who in the hell exhibits cynicism here on a daily basis. It sure isn’t the conservatives. And no thanks to the “nuance”, Conservatives are too intelligent to buy it. “Consensus” does have some value.

That looked like a campaign speech for the Democratic Party, but it was hidden in the “nuance” tool. “Manipulate” yourself and enjoy.

Funny as hell. I’m laughing!

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this

Oh right, RW, Bush is doing a bang-up job of confronting anti-Americanism. Everyone loves us now. I also love how the KSA is “innocent civilians” while those same civilians in Iraq don’t matter to you at all.

Oh, and I love your quip about bombing Berkeley. It’s hilarious to joke about killing other Americans, and doubly so on the 4th of July. I laughed and I laughed at the brilliant use of the imagery of destroying an American city because people there don’t think exactly like you. Ever considered doing standup, RW?

By Right In The Mouth

July 4, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

In Monday’s Washington Post, former president Jimmy Carter sprang forth with another idea to bolster the Leaker Industrial Complex: Expand the Freedom of Information Act, so that still more federal government secrets can come tumbling out.

Folks, we couldn’t have won World War II like this. In Vietnam, we sort of fought this way, and we know what happened there.

By Midori

July 4, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

Washington is losing ‘war on terror’: experts

what a brilliant tactitian Bush is.

RW must be very, very proud.

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

RW, in the Balkans we prevented ethnic cleansing. We did not invade, set up a puppet government, and start a civil war. Minor differences, but I feel they are somewhat important. And if the U.S. lost any soldiers at all, all you conservatives would be screaming bloody murder and wanting to hang Clinton. It’s nice to have a President (unlike this one) who cares about the lives of our soldiers. I long for those days.

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

No Midori, that was Clinton. There was a fluffy intern involved though. Maybe you should go back to the children’s blog for the day.

By Midori

July 4, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

Who in the hell exhibits cynicism here on a daily basis.

A. Andy

B. RW

C. Buy Danish

D. Dusty

E. ALL OF THE ABOVE

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

You’re twisting yourself into a knot here. I’m not the one advocating indiscriminate bombing. That would be you. My quip about Berkeley had to do with changing hearts and minds, which is much more difficult but ultimately far more rewarding. It’s very much like in Iraq where we have lost many brave soldiers just to protect the lives of the innocents.

By Don't It Figure?

July 4, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Modori’s article at 2:44 which summarizes the US losing the war on terror, quotes, as experts, the CIA, the same CIA that can’t find Bin Laden and flat out missed 9/11.

Do these jack offs ever tire of stroking it?

By Scooter

July 4, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

Midori, do you know what cynicism is?

By rushncap

July 4, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

Oh yes, we’re doing a great job “changing hears and minds” in Iraq. From living ones to dead ones. What a change! And what “innocents” are we protecting in Iraq? And from whom? We caused a near civil war there. We went in and destroyed the country. What do you expect? FLowers?

By the way

July 4, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

The Administration points to old Iran/Iraq war sarin gas canisters and says that proves the WMD theory. I cant write this stuff, it has to come out of the mouths of chimps.

If there was ANY doubt about W’s intentional lie to get a stupified post 911 nation at their most vulnerable into a war of greed for oil and money, then the sarin gas container nonsense erased that doubt.

W is a fool.

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

Midori,

If you need that definition of cynicism just look at the 3:06 post.

By and by

July 4, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

W opened up a pandoras box of intersecting subsets of rivalries, and feuds both ethnic and sectarian that was well contained by Saddam. A child has opened the once bottled up war of the millenia. For greed. There are open ended contracts for Bush cronies everwhere. We are being fleeced by pirates. The problem is not a ragged sunni in Iraq. It’s the well suited in Texas.

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

By the way,

The administration specifically DOES NOT point to those sarin gas filled artillery shells as proof. Next talking point please.

By hook and crook

July 4, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

Our country’s foreign policy has been directed by the defense contractors for a long time, even though we were warned about this silent coup by Ike in the fifties. They must have approached him then to start this war or that police action or whatever. Why? Because there is BIG MONEY IN WAR, BOYS!!!!!

I’d really hate to think that capitalism cant survive without war. I pray every day that’s a lie.

By the short hairs

July 4, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this

One point that is indisputable, is that early on in the buildup to the Iraq war, the administration admitted that they settled on WMD as the sales pitch because, “It was something that everyone agreed upon as a valid reason for war.” N Not that there was any evidence, only that people would buy it as a valid reason.

That’s a fact, jack.

By Scooter

July 4, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

Now that we know Saddam was corrupting the Oil for Food Program to buy favor with veto carrying members of the Security Council. Buying favor so he could erode sanctions and continue on his acquisition of WMDs, are you anti Bush people really arguing that we should have allowed him and the UN to continue on their course? Are you really? If so please splain to me how that makes sense in your minds.

By George W Bush

July 4, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

I must regretfully inform you that I have ordered the invasion of Iraq and that our troops are now crossing the border. I have ordered this action based on Iraq’s continued violation of UN sanctions against weapons of mass destruction. Now keep in mind, these are not just ordinary WMDs that I am referring to, it does not matter if they can be used to kill large numbers of people, no, the WMD I am specifically addressing as the reason for this invasion are whatever the pinko liberals want to make up in their minds 3 years from now.

If we should find an atom bomb and the libs say that it is only a ittle bitty one, then that doesn’t count. If the Army uncovers mobile weapons laboratories and the pinkos want to say that it was a helium balloon inflator, then that won’t be a WMD anymore.

If we should find hundreds and hundreds of artillery shells and rockets filled to the brim with all manner of lethal chemicals, and the libs say that those were last year’s model, then they won’t be WMD.

So Godspeed to our soldiers and the best of luck playing “name that WMD or not!”

By Good Saddam

July 4, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

I liked it when Saddam was keeping a lid on Iraq, heh, heh, he was grinding up those that got uppity, heh, heh, which is what they deserve, heh, heh, those little people don’t need freedom, heh, heh, they need to be Gassed!

Saddam’s my hero, heh, heh. Free Saddam!

By the balls

July 4, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

The administration backpeddled on the sarin gas when nobody bought it, but they tried. The administration backpeddled on every single point Powell/Rice made in the big lie buildup to the war in front of the UN which is our most shameful moment.

Remember Powell with a pointer showing on a overhead screen the pictures of WMDs? He’d say, “Ist das nitch ein fuel rod?” and the flunkies behind him would answer in unison, “Yah! Das ist ein Fuel Rod!”.

Then Powell would say, “Ist das nicht ein enrichment plant?” And his boys would say, “YAH! Das ist ein enrichment plant”.

It was stolen from an old Three Stooges Two Reeler, and the world fell for it.

Now we’ve the devil to pay. We are being fleeced, man. Powell loves his country too much to admit that he lied, ditto Rice. That’s misplaced patriotism.

I suggest Powell, Rice, and O.J. do a round table discussion about what really happened, first O.J. “Yeah, I waxed her, and her little cracker too. They needed killin!” Then Powell, “Yeah, I waxed poetic on the WMDs, but arabs needed killin, and what does it matter if the Iraqis weren’t the ones who done 911?” Then Rice, “Yeah, I killed the truth, and the justice, cause the truth and the justice needed killin.”

Oh my!

By Capitalism, Ooh, Spooky

July 4, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

I’m casually overlloking the fact that Clinton used Halliburton in Kosovo, cause if I mention that, it blows the lid right off of my silly a-ss Bush conspiracy theory.

Plus, I like sucking my thumb thinking of those bad Bushies!

By @@

July 4, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

Cynicism by Midori’s definition is “The Inconvenient Truth”. My God, I think I just threw all of you intelligent conservatives into the galactic world of hysteria. My mistake and sincerest apologies.

Galactic Centre: The central region of the Milky Way Galaxy is so heavily obscured by large quantities of dust that direct observation has become possible only with the development of astronomy.

Extreme Left Liberals are for conservatives, the delectable center of a Milky Way candy bar, unless of course you prefer nuts with yours, and then conservatives can enjoy our Snickers as well.

By by bye bye buy buy

July 4, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

Yes, there are middle east countries which seek the bomb. I’d guess all of them. Saddam had this sunni/shia thing well contained. The WMD threat is in IRAN, and N. Korea.

The logic for the Iraq war justifications necessarily requires us to invade Iran and N. Korea.

The food-stamps-for-gasoline-coupon cheating of Saddam was a threat to UN pride only.

I’m glad that the Right still only has the ‘food stamps for gasoline coupons’ for a reason to invade Iraq. Even a child can understand that he’s being pee’d on with that one.

You must think the American People are stupid.

By Crackey

July 4, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

Bravo, @@!!

Well constructed. It works on three levels!!

It’s the must see comment of the year!!

By Midori

July 4, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

@@,

you and your like minded cult wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you where the sun doesn’t shine.

the truth is indeed very inconvenient for you.

you laugh at science rather than try to understand it.

you laugh at peace rather than try to attain it.

you laugh at the truth, rather than try to seek it.

Worthless. All you do is rob decent human beings of air.

I suggest you try Snickers over Milky Way.

By Joe Roman

July 4, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

Thanks for proving my point, @@. Your arguments are more appropriate for a grade school playground than a debate on political issues by grown-ups. Remember Peewee Herman’s “I know what you are, but what am I?” line? That was a parody of child-like behavior-not political debating tips! You wingnut syncophants have nothing left, do you?

By Crackey

July 4, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

What is the mission of US troops in IRAQ?

whatisthemissionofustroopsiniraq

WHAT IS THE MISSION OF US TROOPS IN IRAQ?

WHATISTHEMISSIONOFUSTROOPSINIRAQ

WHATISTHEMISSIONOFUSTROOPSINIRAQ

By Midori

July 4, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

LOL,

Joe Roman, have pity on the wee brained.

They go to Phyllis Diller for advice on hair rather than Vidal Sassoon.

Then they want to take their anger out on us.

By Crackey

July 4, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

i know you have nothing left, but what do we not have nothing left of…. the lady said….LADY!

By They're Getting Goofy, Now

July 4, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this

By by bye bye buy buy July 4, 2006 03:45 PM

finch: Why don’t you grow up?

This might help with your little school playground fantasies if you did.

Only a little child would think we can invade the whole world at once.

Besides, you clown liberals haven’t gotten over us invading 2 countries, now you want to invade ten?

The food-stamps-for-gasoline-coupon cheating of Saddam was a threat to UN pride only.

What does this even mean? Are you losing it, ooops, I forgot.

If you are referring to “Oil For Food” there’s alot more than “pride” at stake. It is worth billions of dollars, all financed by liberals taking food from the mouths of starving children (there’s the children again. Boy you pinkos don’t cut them any slack, do you. Where’s the outrage, by the way?) and it directly financed terrorism, most likely the 9/11 attacks.

Which makes it a “good” thing to you liberals, right?

By Joe Roman

July 4, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

It becomes increasingly clear that many of the respondents defending the right wing here don’t even know the definition of words being used. to criticize the administration and its policies. How sad. The fact that so many columnists and even elected officials are changng their tune on everything from Iraq to fiscal policies and executive power demonstrates that these ‘children of the damned’ polluting this site and so many like it are all the neocons have left. It’s reminiscent of the pre-adolescent Hitler Youth manning machine guns as allied troops advanced on the German heartland. I’ll bet punks like @@,Buy Danish, Andy et al wish they at least got a cool dagger for all their trouble.

By Quoting Pee Wee Herman?

July 4, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

Been to any good theaters lately, joey?

By Scooter

July 4, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

OK Joe Ro,

Midori may want to jump in, because she illustrates her intelligence on a daily basis.

Now that we know Saddam was corrupting the Oil for Food Program to buy favor with veto carrying members of the Security Council. Buying favor so he could erode sanctions and continue on his acquisition of WMDs, are you anti Bush people really arguing that we should have allowed him and the UN to continue on their course? Are you really? If so please splain to me how that makes sense in your minds.

“Memos from Iraqi intelligence officials, recovered by American and British inspectors, show the dictator was told as early as May 2002 that France - having been granted oil contracts - would veto any American plans for war.”

Bye, Bye, Bye, buy, buy, said it is all we have but the left continues to ignore it so they can attack their own country. Who again does “the left” call our allies?

To keep America at bay, he focusing on Russia, France and China - three of the five UN Security Council members with the power to veto war. Politicians, journalists and diplomats were all given lavish gifts and oil-for-food vouchers.

Don’t go off on some nuanced forest path to loose the point, do you advocate we should have left the UN in charge of Saddam?

By Crackey

July 4, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

Hi Midori. I like Midori. Midori, I just met a girl named Midori, and suddenly I’ve found how wonderful a sound can beeeeee!

MIDORI

Okay, lets concede that it was correct for Bush to invade Iraq. Now what? We stay until the Iraqi Government can sustain and defend itself. Lets concede that those words have some logistical reality in the future that those words actually mean something, although I wouldn’t want to be the one to translate them.

What are the think tanks predicting now? Here’s the scenario for about five years from now: An Iraqi Nation with a Kurdish Satellite that is independent but that shares the revenue from the gas fields they’re squatting on. Then there’s the Turks, who will probably try to annihilate the remaining Kurds on their side of the border, which will cause a migration into Iraq, which will convince the Shia Majority that the Kurds should be dealt with once and for all, which will lead to the Sunnis re-revolting.

In other words, we need to Mickey Mouse a patch work of a civic authority that we can put enough lipstick on so that we can cut and run.

Whatever is in place wont last one month after we leave.

But at least we’ll be out of there.

Then, expect a SHIA SUPERSTATE of Iran/Iraq with “destroy Israel” written into their charter.

Then expect Bush to build a giant bomb shelter for him and his family as the USA, filled with unlovable illegal aliens (so who cares?) gets nuked to hell.

This all happened because of Monica Lewinski. Had she not done the deed, Gore would have won the 2000 election. It’s only the immorality of Clinton that rallied the evangelical right to tip the scales.

The face that launched a thousand ships, eh?

I think I finally get the Iliad and the Odessy. Makes me wanna barf.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat their lunch.

By Crackey

July 4, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

I wish our only problem was the diplomatic challenge of torpedoing the “food stamps for gasoline coupons” shenanigans of the evil dolt, Saddam Hussein, man oh man, what an evil genius he was, eh?

The Right is gelding their own argument before our eyes…..ew!

By the short hairs

July 4, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this

People forget about Desert Storm I. We let Saddam have his choppers back which he used to annihilate the Kurdish Uprising as our F-16s circled overhead.

The Kurds aint gonna forget that one man, and they aint gonna trust no Shia/Sunni compromise.

And that’s just over the movie rights, you should see what they dont trust about the new government!!!

badam boom

By Scooter

July 4, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

Midori, Crackey’s post is cynicism, just FYI.

Well, I am off to be the only conservative at a liberal barbecue. They outed me on Memorial Day and will certainly corner me with seething compassion today.

By Midori

July 4, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

This all happened because of Monica Lewinski. Had she not done the deed, Gore would have won the 2000 election. It’s only the immorality of Clinton that rallied the evangelical right to tip the scales.

That’s too ludicrious to even respond to.

Rather than try to rewrite history, let’s talk about the immorality of the present administration.

There was 8 years of Clinton bashing for whatever the “discretion” - I see Andy listed a litany above. Hair cuts, Vince Foster, what ever.

The entire RW chorus denouncing Bill Clinton were busy getting their own adulturous “pleasure” when not on camera attacking him.

So let’s not even go there.

We will probably never know exactly what happened in 2000. Let’s stick with 2006.

By Midori

July 4, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this

Scooter, er Crackey,

hopefully they will use your “intellengence” to light the charcoals.

By What happened in 2000?

July 4, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

It looks pretty familiar to me, I don’t know what Midori can’t figure out

By Midori

July 4, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

Don’t go off on some nuanced forest path to loose the point, do you advocate we should have left the UN in charge of Saddam?

don’t be silly, Scooter!!!

The UN didn’t have enough bombs and incompetence to transform Iraq into the oasis that it is today!!!!

By the short hairs

July 4, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this

I adore Midori!!

No, the religious right had the best campaign in history in 2000, and it was provided by the media coverage, free of charge, of that whole Monica Lewinski Face Plant. Even elementary school kids were discussing the affair. It rallied the Ralph Reed’s faith based millions of churchers.

Ralph Reed. He had me at “Halo”.

There’s no question about that. Even Gore admits that. You cant fight a tsunami of media coverage when every word was Lewinski this and Clinton that. Alfred E Newman could have beaten Gore on 2000…oh yeah, he did.

You have to face the reality of the Ralph Reeds and the machine they command that can motivate voters. They are amazing. Give them an issue like gays, or abortion, or guns, and look out. It’s a revolution of campaign tactics like history has never seen. They can smart mob an entire election on a national basis. Dont ever underestimate the power of born again churchers.

That’s why many people think that if we simply ban abortion and gay marriage, then the right would never win another election: no issues to rally for jesus over.

By Midori

July 4, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

Scoot,

where did ya go?

no more pearls of wisdom from you?

don’t go to the barbeque - you’ll only starve.

they can’t start the grill on that thimble full of intellect you’ve graciously shown us. it will only make you more crackey, er, crankey.

By Midori

July 4, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

It looks pretty familiar to me, I don’t know what Midori can’t figure out

what I really can’t figure out is how you manage to type so well with your toes.

such a neat trick.

do you use your nose for eating?

I’d really like to see that!!!

How about your ears for burping?

Somebody call Guinness!!! Quick!!!

By @@

July 4, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

Hell Joe Roman. Nobody can prove the points that you never make. Joe Roman, the “Point Man” for the dull point. Well, just make that no point.

Onto more important things. I’m really tired of looking at ml’s “pointless” apology on his Pot to Kettle cartoon everytime I pull up this site. He just keeps moving it up with that “in your face approach” he’s so unfamous for.

I also noticed that the lady in his cartoon only has one boob. It’s a “left boob” with a teat. Well if that don’t beat all. It’s O.K. though ml, keep ignoring what’s right, we’re under that woman’s blouse whether you like it or not. But I sure don’t think it was very nice of you to draw attention to the fact that you see a “boob” on the left here. Tell me ml, what’s that left boob’s name. There are so many left boobs here to choose from.

By Midori

July 4, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this

I just heard that the North Koreans just launched a missile.

Rut roh, America.

prepare for the invasion of Trinidad!!

By Midori

July 4, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this

The news that charges were filed against Former Pfc. Steven D. Green, 21, and other members of 1st Platoon, B Company, 1st Battalion, 502nd Infantry Regiment of the 101st Airborne Division casts a new light on the capture and execution of two U.S. soldiers two weeks ago. Whether or not the charges against the U.S. soldier are true, the fact that Iraqis in the area where the soldiers were taken prisoner believed that soldiers from the 101st were responsible provides another motive for the torture, beheading, and booby trapping of the bodies. This was an act of tribal revenge rather than a random act of terrorism. Al Qaeda took responsibility but I suspect they were taking credit for the action of others.

Call it terrorism, call it vigilantism, the fact remains that U.S. troops who were part of the unit perceived to be responsible (or actually responsible) for the rape and murder of an Iraqi girl were specifically targeted. Welcome to the 12th Century. Our soldiers who were murdered were not responsible for the heinous act against that Iraqi family. Nonetheless, it appears they were forced to pay the price for the belief that their fellow soldiers were guilty of an atrocity against Iraqi Sunnis. We’re talking Old Testament “justice” here folks.

http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/07/payback….

By Midori

July 4, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

I see @@ is back to childishly try to ridicule Joe Roman, thus driving home even further his point.

that 5:14 has surpassed itself in stupidity.

By the short hairs

July 4, 2006 05:39 PM | Link to this

Midori, Midori, and Peter Lorre.

Did N. Korea think we wouldn’t notice the missiles they launched. Do they think we’re stupid?

Do they think that our army is occupied in Iraq so that we cant invade them…..oh yeah, rats… that really stinks.

We cant do squat to the real WMD threat cause we gotz diz ding in da desert.

Oh well, kiss all our arses good bye when N. Korea nukes us with their new rockets.

Thanks, Cheney, you total idiot.

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 05:40 PM | Link to this

So now Midori tells us that not only is it America’s fault that our soldiers were tortured and brutalized it was because of a rape and murder accusation. What does that do to ml’s Pot to Kettle cartoon where he told us it happened because of Bushco Torture Inc.? She goes on to tell us that Al Qaeda is just a harmless band of serial confessors.

And we should trust you for national security?

By the short hairs

July 4, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this

I see a threat from a real enemy. I’m a patriot. I see the enemy. Hello, N. Korea. I wrote this poem to N. Korea titled, “I gonna Kell Yew”.

Little Korea

With your ICBM pressed up against the sea of Japan

there is no fireworks for you tonight

Only death!!

By the short hairs

July 4, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

RW, the torture cartoon was about the nature of war, that our rebels are heroes, their rebels are terrorists.

Did you know that the British called George Washington, the very father of our country, a terrorist? They would have hanged him if they coulda caught him.

You need to see the big picture in human events in order to understand a spin like the torture cartoon.

You do deserve respect for your bravery in exposing your IQ and sophistication level when you express your own understanding of the cartoon’s spin.

Inbreeding is not pretty, and the evangelical right needs to add a few commandments that need displayin’ for one and all to remind them about the sin of incest, my fine friend.

By the short hairs

July 4, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

Okay, this is important. Remember when the N. Korean missile was on the launch pad, and Cheney and Bush said, “They wont launch. They’re not ready, and there’s no missile, and it’s no big deal.”

They repeatedly denied that N. Korea would launch that missile. Or that they even had one.

That is the level of veracity that these two midget brains lend to all their communiques. They are liars. They need to be impeached.

IMPEACH BUSH!! IMPEACH CHENEY!!!

Everybody yell! IMPEACH BUSH!! IMPEACH CHENEY!!!! Everybody yell it out the window. Open the window and yell out to the world, “Impeach BUSH Impeach CHENY!

(They’re yelling it in Cleveland. They’re yelling it in Miami, and New York).

IMPEACH BUSH IMPEACH CHENEY!!

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this

By,Bi,Buy,Bye,

Whatever you say genius, but you may want to take it up with ml since I was using his explanation.

By @@

July 4, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this

O.K. Midori, although RW doesn’t trust you with our national security, I’ll be more than happy to put you second in command of Joe Roman’s dull pointless posts.

Congratulations!

See how easy it is for me to be nice.

By Ricky

July 4, 2006 06:09 PM | Link to this

short hairs, let see if you can remember this. Remember when Clinton made the deal with N Korea and kept telling us that they weren’t developing nuclear weapons? Or do you only remember the things that fit your political view point? You lecture others about understanding the big picture in human events, yet you show that you don’t.

By Joe Roman

July 4, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this

But Midori, I can’t resist such an easy target. In that, I suppose I have something in common with the chickenhawks. Saddam Hussein was such an easy target, they chose to ignore North Korea and Iran. Now, both countries are running diplomatic circles around Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld…or as I call them, FOOLS INC.. The Clinton administration had very effectively blunted both nations’ militaristic ambitions by appealng to their respective self-interest,i.e. classic diplomacy. The chickenhawks, of course, completely screwed this up with their “brave” posturing. Now that they have throughly alienated the world, we have the spectacle of Bolton, Bush’s tough guy darling burdened with an international reputation akin the Atilla the Hun, approaching the international community while “assuming the position” and saying, in effect, the Bush gang was “just kidding” when it belittled the United Nations and any and all other collective international means of diplomacy. Hell, I’m beginning to wonder if McCarthy was right. Maybe he just didn’t understand the means. Instead of a frontal assault, the Reds began an elaborate mascarade in the fifties by pretending to be rightwing fire breathers. Maybe now they are revealng their true colors as neocons. The communist boogymen of the fifties couldn’t have done a better job than the chickenhawk neocons of undermining America’s power and influence in the international community. It’s hard to believe FOOLS INC. could be so comprehensively stupid without an ulterior motive, isn’t it?………..or is it?

By Midori

July 4, 2006 06:19 PM | Link to this

this guy screws up everything he touches.

and you morons keep clamoring for more

By the short hairs

July 4, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

You know something, Ricky’s right. I’ve been wrong all day. I’ve been wrong for the entire six years of the W dynasty. Scratch that. I’VE BEEN WRONG MY WHOLE LIFE

Of course, Clinton lied about the nukes in N. Korea. I get it all now. How could I have been so stupid? I hate myself. I hate the world.

Now, there’s only one thing to do. Support Ralph Reed for Lt. Governor of Georgia!!! I love Ralph Reed. He had me a “Halo”.

By the short hairs

July 4, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this

Joe, you are very passionate…..but you do not persuade. I have to admit that I couldn’t wade through your reply to the beautiful but evil Midori.

She’s been toying with you. Just withdraw. You’ll be fine. Don’t tweak her nose anymore, you have no idea, trust me.

Midori, my friend didn’t mean nothing. Isn’t it getting near Miller time? Perhaps Midori wants some pizza? nice chianti? Faver beans? Sssvvffssvfffssvvvvffff…..

By the short hairs

July 4, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this

North Korea. WMD anyone? Bush is not concerned though. Those degraded sarin gas containers from the Iran/Iraq war: that’s what we need to concentrate on.

Iraq? Huh?

Iraq????

Wait, Cheney said over and over that an agent of Saddam met with an Al Queda terrorist in Budapest in the 1990’s.

And Powell/Rice said that rocket tubes could only be used to enrich uranium.

And we were vulnerable because we were still grieving, and in shock from 911.

But then…to cut and run…from the 911 conspirators in Afghanistan?????? I coulda bagged OBL with a den of cub scouts armed with sling shots at Tora Bora. So could have my Grandma. Give me a break. They weren’t interested in 911. They were interested in oil and contracts with no limits. Greed…. Power…. Corruption. …War.

HOW DARE BUSH TAKE ADVANTAGE OF US THAT WAY

HOW DARE HE??????

IMPEACH BUSH!!

IMPEACH CHENEY!!!

By Joe Roman

July 4, 2006 06:51 PM | Link to this

Hey Mr. Pubic. Your writing skills leave much to be desired. Your posting is incoherent. That means it can’t be understood. It also means it isn’t funny.

By the short hairs

July 4, 2006 06:52 PM | Link to this

After the SHuttle launch today, and the N. Korea ICBMs, my bottle rockets seem pathetic, so I’m not going to light them.

By finch

July 4, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

I see the wingnuts are jumping to conclusions again!!

The UN oil for food scam directly financed terrorism, most likely the 9/11 attacks.

Are you going with that moldy chestnut again? Even your Fearless Leader acknowledges that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. Your nose is growing!

Besides, you clown liberals haven’t gotten over us invading 2 countries, now you want to invade ten?

Your nose is growing again! TEN countries?? How about if everyone agrees not to invade the WRONG countries? You know, the ones that aren’t a direct threat to the US? The ones that don’t have WMDs or delivery systems for them? Just a thought.

It’s all Clinton’s fault!!

So Clinton ordered the Kosovo action, which was NEVER an occupation because of Monica? You guys should seek therapy.

What a bunch of whiners. Backed into a corner, shorn of all logical defenses, the BushBots deploy their only remaining weapons. Lies, hyperbole and insults.

Almost as good as a real 4th of July show!

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON — mNorth Korea tried to fire a long-range ballistic missile, but it failed in flight, two U.S. officials told FOX News on Tuesday. Two non-guided, medium-range Scud-style missiles were also fired, North American Aerospace Defense Command confirmed.

It would seem that North Korea has rallied the surrounding countries against them by firing an unloaded missile that they couldn’t fly for 35 seconds and you libs say this is a bad thing. Forget national defense you guys aren’t even qualified to deconstruct JoRo’s deranged ramblings.

If we do end up having to liberate North Korea, are you guys going to remember all your blather about these dangerous weapons or are they suddenly going to be called wet bottle rockets?

By the short hairs

July 4, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

Sharapova was fine today. And I mean fine.

How could such a babe be so amazing? She’s why I keep on keepin’ on.

By finch

July 4, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

Pretty darn cool that all the wingnuts are dismissing the decision to dissolve the CIA unit that was hunting for Osama bin Laden as nothing important.

Those CIA spooks were all Clinton guys. Osama wasn’t important anyway. Osama’s dead. blah blah blah.

For years the US has said that Osama was the man!! Public enemy #1!! Well, until a year ago when Bush said he never really thinks about Osama.

How nice that a terrorist personally responsible for the deaths of more Americans on US soil in one day than anyone in history can be so casually dismissed!

He was the main reason the US invaded Afghanistan. But now the US can’t be bothered. He was the main reason for the Iraqi invasion. Oops, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or Osama.

Smart people look at the facts and admit they made a really big mistake.

The dumb ones? Well, they’re just dumb. What do you expect?

By @@

July 4, 2006 07:26 PM | Link to this

I think North Korea may have just stepped on their phallic symbolism.

Joe Roman:

Not only are you the “Pointless Man”, but you’re an inept target as well. I’m just guessing here, but I think you were the funny.

By RW-(the original)

July 4, 2006 07:31 PM | Link to this

finch,

How many more decades do you think we should have given this group?

Smart people look at the facts and admit they made a really big mistake.

I guess that means the ones that realize these guys weren’t accomplishing anything and since they are the smart ones they disbanded the group.

The dumb ones? Well, they’re just dumb. What do you expect?

That must be you and your friends that want to keep a CIA group that couldn’t get Bin Laden in ten years feeding off the American taxpayer.

Here’s a thought for you, what if they are making a big deal of this to get him to let his guard down?

By Hairbrained Theories

July 4, 2006 07:42 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman,

You think you are a skilled writer? Maybe you’re good at ransom notes? Because judging from today’s entries, you pretty much suck at everything except boring people to death. What do we have to pay you to get you to stop?

By Al Gore's legacy

July 4, 2006 08:02 PM | Link to this

Count em till you got em

By Al Gore's Legacy

July 4, 2006 09:03 PM | Link to this

And then whine & cry getting all the other leftists to take up your plight because you didn’t cut the mustard. Just the gasses.

Bwwaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!

By My Guess Is That finch Has Gone Insane

July 4, 2006 10:14 PM | Link to this

Finch/short hair/Harebrained Theory or whatever, this dude doesn’t even make sense anymore.

Honestly, if you had a mental health professional analyze his comments, they would conclude that he is “punch drunk.”

Andy took that a-ss out.

It’s even worse than what Germany did to Poland.

On the plus side, now he’s got what it takes to be the democratic vice president and make documentaries about global warming.

By Andy's Only Post, With finch Attached To My Leg

July 5, 2006 08:25 AM | Link to this

Why don’t we hear about this part of the global warming argument?

“It’s the money!” says Dr. Baliunas. “Twenty-five billion dollars in government funding has been spent since 1990 to research global warming. If scientists and researchers were coming out releasing reports that global warming has little to do with man, and most to do with just how the planet works, there wouldn’t be as much money to study it.”

And the politicians would have one less excuse to take control of our lives.-RealClearPolitics

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Thus far, though, the new PR campaign hasn’t spared the Democrats new embarrassment, as they have spent much of the past month feuding among themselves over the best way to leave the Iraqi people on their own to face the terrorists. For example, Sen. John Kerry offered a proposal to require President Bush to pull remaining troops out by July 2007. As the Senate prepared to vote on the Kerry plan two weeks ago, the New York Times ran a front-page story, “On Iraq, Kerry Again Leaves Democrats Fuming,” which explained, in essence, that many of Mr. Kerry’s Senate Democrats are furious with his insistence that they vote on his pullout plan, which had no change of winning Senate passage. Democrats were already angry at Mr. Kerry for advancing another pullout proposal one week earlier, which lost on a 93-6 vote.-WashingtonTimes

Finally the Treason Times makes itself useful, shaming Bandaid Kerry.

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I may have spoken too soon about Michael Scheuer:

Mr. Clarke’s book is also a crucial complement to the September 11 panel’s failure to condemn Mr. Clinton’s failure to capture or kill bin Laden on any of the eight to 10 chances afforded by CIA reporting. Mr. Clarke never mentions that President Bush had no chances to kill bin Laden before September 11 and leaves readers with the false impression that he, Mr. Clinton and Mr. Clinton’s national security adviser, Sandy Berger, did their best to end the bin Laden threat. That trio, in my view, abetted al Qaeda, and if the September 11 families were smart they would focus on the dereliction of Dick, Bill and Sandy and not the antics of convicted September 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui.

If they do their job well, some of the September 11 Commission’s whitewash may start to be peeled away. If they fail, however, the reality that Bill, Dick and Sandy helped to push Americans out of the windows of the World Trade Center on that September morning will be buried in miles of fantasy-filled celluloid.-WashingtonTimes

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“We thought that once the reporters and editors understood that one, these were not warrantless searches, and two, that this was a successful program that had netted real bad guys, and three, that it was a program that was helping us with current, ongoing cases, they would agree to hold off or just not do a story,” says the U.S. Treasury official. “But it became clear that nothing we said was going sway them. Whomever they were talking to, whoever was leaking the stuff, had them sold on this story.”

We think we’re looking at fairly high-ranking, former officials who want to make life difficult for us and what we do for whatever reasons.”-AmericanSpectator

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Funny, I don’t remember hearing any excuses when they were getting the drunken parade ready:

Junk cars, boats slow recovery in ‘Big Easy’-AJC

Poor little darlings.

Let me guess, you want a couple more billion, right?

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My mistake for reading this:

Congress takes prize for corruption Jay Bookman – Staff-AJC

Of all the names thrown out to prove Crazy Jay’s theory, guess how many are Republican? He has to give up on Jefferson, Mr. Cold Hard Cash, but no mention of Harry Reid?

Sincerity and credibility pretty much go hand and hand.

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Bob Barr’s faulty reasoning:

What does seem clear at this point, however, in light of the findings by both federal and state judges that the reach of the law in limiting where a person might live, and forcing them to give up homes, jobs, education and the practice of their religion, is that Georgia’s law needs to be rethought.-AJC

Negative. What needs to be “rethought” is the weenie liberal punishments out there that do not deter these child molesters in the first place. If you make the decision to attack a child, regardless of whether your parents were mean to you or whatever pinko excuse you come up with, you have subtracted yourself from participating in any rights granted by the constitution. The punishment should be so terrible and so demeaning as to make these freaks think twice, before they harm their victims.

I believe that our children have rights too. Above all others.

For instance:

A man out on bond for allegedly raping a teenage girl last year was arrested again Tuesday and accused of forcing another girl into an unoccupied house and sexually assaulting her, police said. In February, David DeAngelo McDonald, 27, of Atlanta was released on a $25,000 bond from the Fulton County Jail.

By Which Side Are You On?

July 5, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this

On the last day of the Supreme Court’s term, Tom Goldstein, the prominent D.C. appellate lawyer who served as second chair representing Al Gore in Bush v. Gore, participated in a panel hosted by the liberal American Constitution Society at the National Press Club. In the middle of the symposium, Goldstein received word concerning the result of one of the final cases of the term, and raised his hands as if to signal a touchdown. When the moderator asked whom the “touchdown” was for, Goldstein declared: “The Good Guys.” The case was Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, and the victorious party was Osama bin Laden’s purported personal driver and bodyguard, Salim Ahmed Hamdan. Goldstein was not alone: From legal academia, to Capitol Hill, to the mainstream media, to the blogosphere, liberals have expressed undue exuberance concerning the outcome of Hamdan, and thereby reaffirmed why many Americans are reluctant to trust liberals on questions of national security.-NationalReview

I don’t trust liberals with anything.

By Support The Troops, Eh?

July 5, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

But there are reasons to believe that the Buffalo News is not purely concerned about objectivity. For example, it has published, apparently without second thought, stories based on reports from Iraqi informants who may or may not be in the pay of the insurgents. The implication here is that the Buffalo News places more confidence in shady Iraqi stringers of unknown loyalties than they do in two veterans willing to go where the action is because they are “pro-war” and are alleged to have a connection to “Republican activists.”-NationalReview

By The Real Enemy?

July 5, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

It is telling that the only leak that troubles the press and its cheerleaders is the Valerie Plame leak. When Dana Priest revealed the location of secret “CIA prisons,” she was rewarded with a Pulitzer. When Lichtblau and James Risen disclosed the NSA surveillance program, they got Pulitzers, too. These revelations caused serious damage to America’s ability to work with allies to fight terrorism and arguably put lives in danger. And yet the only leak to scandalize the media establishment was Plame’s identity as a CIA employee. Why? Because it (allegedly) exposed the only serious enemy America faces: Karl Rove.-NationalReview

By gadem

July 5, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

Wow Andy, those are certainly unbiased sources that you are using. You have shown me the error of my ways.

By Nice Excuse

July 5, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

By gadem July 5, 2006 09:24 AM Wow Andy, those are certainly unbiased sources that you are using. You have shown me the error of my ways.

So how exactly are my “sources” wrong?

By gadem

July 5, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Andy did not say they were wrong….It troubles me that those that support Bush claim to be the victims of MSM. No good news reported out of IRAQ. Last time I watched FOX news, they were not reporting anything good either. They were reporting the news of the day, so is Fox considered MSM as well?

By finch

July 5, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

gadem,

It’s just the usual links to facts-free zones compounded by whacky conclusions.

You know…

Liberals are happy over the Osama driver Supreme Court case? The case wasn’t about the driver. He’s pocket lint in the big picture. The big picture is “should the Bush administration imprison suspects without cause indefinitely or send them to ‘secret’ prisons in torture prone nations when they haven’t been formally accused of a crime?”

No. Basic due process is not a luxury. Absence of basic due process is what tyrants do. Of course, this wouldn’t have been a problem if the US had adopted “Andy’s Rules of Engagement”. If they’re civilians and their homes in a battle zone, immediately kill them all.

Bookman unfairly lists GOP crooks?

No. That’s where the smell is!! And there he goes again. resurrecting the “but they did it toooo!” argument. Except Reid didn’t. He hadn’t been charged much less convicted.

The “liberal” challenge to Georgia’s residency restrictions on sex offenders shows “liberals” support child pervs? Hardly. Democrats and Republicans say the law is unworkable because it hammers far more people than child pervs, who SHOULD be restrained.

And on and on….

But that’s our boy for ya. Never let facts get in the way of juicy hysterical lies!

It’s the brown acid. He can’t see reality, which is why he keeps seeing me where I’m not.

Where’s Osama?

By The War On Terror, Err, Bush

July 5, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

Many people claim that the mainstream media have done nothing to contribute to the war effort. But that is not true. They have contorted themselves into a veritable journalistic Kama Sutra of uncomfortable positions, exposed themselves to grand juries, and sacrificed more of their already waning audience all to further the cause of victory in war. The only problem is that it is not the War on Terror they are so committed to. It is the War on George W. Bush.

“The Supreme Court today delivered a sweeping rebuke to the Bush administration…” “The decision was such a sweeping and categorical defeat for the Bush administration…”-New York Times

By War On Terror, Err, Bush

July 5, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

Normally, highlighting our casualties would be a job for enemy propaganda. But since the casualty clock helps in the war the media really believes in — the War on Bush — they dutifully report every tick, tick, tick, even exaggerating the numbers by including those who spontaneously die of natural causes and traffic accidents as far away as Kuwait. Likewise, they have claimed that the lower-than-civilian suicide rate among our troops is an epidemic caused by the “cracking” of morale.

By @@

July 5, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

I don’t know if ml’s little newspaper boy dropped this “news” off here yesterday, but I don’t mind filling in for the little guy.

Independence Day celebrated in Iraq. Democracy is hard and difficult. It requires patience and fortitude. Some got it and some ain’t.

Thomas Paine knew it in 1776.

“The sun never shined on a cause of greater worth.”

RW:

I liked that one. Hope you didn’t mind my borrowing it.

By Looney Toon finch Weighs In

July 5, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

And doesn’t make a damn bit of sense.

gadem: When have I ever championed Fox? If you pay closer attention you would have seen me call their love affair with Hillary almost a year ago.

It’s a mental issue with you liberals and I don’t expect you to even acknowledge your problems, addicts usually cannot break that barrier with out some serious interdiction.

Cheering on the enemies of your country is a psychological problem of epic proportions. I point out this illness of yours as a simple fact for those who have no firm political affiliation and are looking for a “home.”

Normal people don’t hope for a cancer to kill them, don’t want to let perverts wander their neighborhood, don’t want to ruin their country over an unproven hysteria like global warming.

You got your sicknesses, gadem, and you seem to enjoy them. I have no issues with you, I already know you are beyond hope.

So why don’t you go abuse yourself and leave me to do my work?

By Midori

July 5, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

Ken Lay is dead.

Now, if Bill Clinton wasn’t preoccupied with getting his knob polished and did his job, this wouldn’t have happened.

He would have foreseen this if he hadn’t been so distracted.

By Taking Joy At Another's Suffering

July 5, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

Midori says it all, don’t she?

Glad Ken Lay could help to cheer you up.

By Actually

July 5, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

If Bill Clinton had been doing his job Enron wouldn’t have been free to fleece so many people. He probably couldn’t have prevented the heart attack though. That would have taken John “If we’re elected, Christopher Reeve will walk again” Edwards.

By Earl

July 5, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

Why is it that average citizens, when convicted of a felony, sit in JAIL while they await sentencing, yet rich friends of the president get to spend the summer in their lovely vacation homes while awaiting sentencing? “Kenny Boy” as the President fondly called him, died in the peace and luxury of his mountain chalet amongst his loved ones, his nice things, and his fancy, artery-clogging food. What a shame. Karma, where are you?

By Don't You Know Your Democrats?

July 5, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this

By Actually July 5, 2006 10:23 AM If Bill Clinton had been doing his job Enron wouldn’t have been free to fleece so many people. He probably couldn’t have prevented the heart attack though. That would have taken John “If we’re elected, Christopher Reeve will walk again” Edwards.

finch: Look, man, I know you got some mental issues your trying to get through, but John Edwards is a trial lawyer not a business attorney.

Sheez.

By Midori

July 5, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

and if Bill Clinton had been doing his job and not been distracted with Monica blowing him, Christopher Reeve would still be alive and running, not walking and John Edwards would never have been born!!!

Damn you, Clinton!!!!!

By Midori

July 5, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Earl,

didn’t you know? It’s all Bill Clinton’s fault!!!

Got a headache? BLAME CLINTON!!!

Got a bad haircut? BLAME CLINTON!!

Crash your car?? BLAME CLINTON!!!

Lost your cat? BLAME CLINTON!!!!!

By karma

July 5, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

Karma for Lay.

By Cheated The Pinkos Of Their Fun

July 5, 2006 10:37 AM | Link to this

Yea, Earl, ain’t it a bit-ch? They should have cut that dude open on TV for your enjoyment, right? Life sucks when other people don’t get to suffer copiously enough for you, don’t it?

Compassionate caring liberals, eh?

I’m pretty sure that the threat of prison probably brought this on, if it helps to cheer you up, man.

By getalife

July 5, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

Actually, it happenned on W’s watch. Just like everything else, it is W’s fault.

The buck stops with the GOP.

By Pride In Your Country Is A "Phenomenon?"

July 5, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

“It’s a little strange, this obsession of the flag,” French author Bernard-Henri Levy wrote after traveling across the country.

But the phenomenon hits its peak each year around the Fourth of July, when it becomes the focus of intense advertising and commercial promotions.-Breitbart

We just confound you liberals with our patriotism, don’t we?

By Hey, You Liberals Missed A Party!

July 5, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

German neo-Nazis tore up and burned a copy of The Diary of Anne Frank after hijacking a traditional gala.

Around 100 skinheads cheered and shouted Sieg Heil as the most poignant memoir of the Holocaust years went up in flames.

They also burned a U.S. flag and sang banned Nazi songs.-DailyMail](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?inarticleid=394079&inpageid=1770)

They hate America too!

By Earl

July 5, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

Cheated, thank you for your kind thoughts. I was thinking though… Lay was 64. How many Enron employees/investors at or near retirement age, who lost everything due to Lay’s greed and deception, entered their “golden years” totally stressed, having to take those cart-pushing WalMart jobs instead of what they’d worked and saved for all those years? How many of those people suffered heart attacks or other stress-related illnesses, just when they no longer had the funds for adequate (let alone full-luxury) medical care? Ten? Fifty? One Hundred? One thousand? Does anyone know offhand just HOW MANY people’s financial lives were ruined in the “collapse?” Ballpark? Did their heart attacks make the news, or did their widows just bury them with what little they had left and pick up a couple shifts at Huddle House in order to eat? Heh… America’s work ethic at work, huh?

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

This site needs a better class of moonbats. I’m shocked at your reaction to Ken Lay’s death. We know you’re happy about it, but that’s all you’ve got?

Where’s the charge that Ken Lay was going to out Bushitler for some nefarious dealings so the President switched his hurricane machine into heart attack mode and took him out?

How about the one where Bush had a secret deal to have Enron cause global warming for the sole purpose of driving Algore nuts and Lay was going to spill it? I bet if you work at it you can slip Valerie Plame in there somewhere.

By Just Rewards

July 5, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

Enron founder Kenneth Lay dies at 64

HOUSTON - Enron Corp. founder Kenneth Lay, who was convicted of helping perpetuate one of the most sprawling business frauds in U.S. history, has died of a heart attack in Colorado. He was 64.

A secretary at his church and another secretary for his lead criminal lawyer, Michael Ramsey, both confirmed the death. Lay, who lived in Houston, frequently vacationed in Colorado.

Lay, who faced life in prison, was scheduled to be sentenced Oct. 23.

Nicknamed “Kenny Boy” by President Bush, Lay led Enron’s meteoric rise from a staid natural gas pipeline company formed by a 1985 merger to an energy and trading conglomerate that reached No. 7 on the Fortune 500 in 2000 and claimed $101 billion in annual revenues.

He was convicted May 25 along with former Enron CEO Jeffrey Skilling of defrauding investors and employees by repeatedly lying about Enron’s financial strength in the months before the company plummeted into bankruptcy protection in December 2001. Lay was also convicted in a separate non-jury trial of bank fraud and making false statements to banks, charges related to his personal finances.

Cons can lie to us, they can lie to themselves, but they can’t lie to God. Looks like they’re having a pig roast in hell today ! ! !

By dubya

July 5, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this

Watch and listen as our right-wing patriots swing in the wind today. In order to divert attention, let us send a force to N. Korea, another to Iran, one to Syria, another to Colombia, and so forth. We can still call up and activate the Boy Scouts of America - they seem to have idle time on their hands. Then we can all support our AWOL President while he steadfastly leads us onward to Freedom, Democracy, and Victory. God bless Murcuh!

By Midori

July 5, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that we’re not a better class of moonbats.

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that this is all we’ve got.

If he hadn’t been cavorting with Monica and ignoring the world around him, this would never have happened!!!

By Danish in Vacationland

July 5, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this

…The big picture is “should the Bush administration imprison suspects without cause indefinitely or send them to ‘secret’ prisons in torture prone nations when they haven’t been formally accused of a crime?”

finch,

Nice job of making up your own facts, disguised as a “big picture” interpretation. What a joke that you make this ludicrous statement ^^ in the same breath that you attack Andy.

Midori,

Speaking of the “Big Picture”, I bet you a zillion mangoes that there will be much more joy expressed over the death of Ken Lay than there ever was over Zarqawi the Beheader’s demise at your favorite BDS websites.

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

Midori,

I have to draw the line somewhere. Even without Clinton you would still be clueless.

By Midori

July 5, 2006 11:22 AM | Link to this

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that there is more joy expressed over the death of Ken Lay than there was over Zarqawi the Beheader.

Now, if Bill Clinton wasn’t preoccupied with getting his knob polished and did his job, this wouldn’t have happened.

By Midori

July 5, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that I’m still clueless.

How dare he engage in mutual activities of the sexual nature, all the while ignoring the world at large!!!!!!

By I Thought Social Security Was Perfect As Is?

July 5, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

By Earl July 5, 2006 10:50 AM Cheated, thank you for your kind thoughts. I was thinking though… Lay was 64. How many Enron employees/investors at or near retirement age, who lost everything due to Lay’s greed and deception

Gosh, the libs say Social Security is damn near perfect but ole Earl acts like it doesn’t exist. What gives?

By Just Rewards July 5, 2006 11:02 AM Cons can lie to us, they can lie to themselves, but they can’t lie to God. Looks like they’re having a pig roast in hell today ! ! !

Isn’t it just so sweet, the liberals have found a use for God today.

By N-GA

July 5, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that Andy is an Olympic-class Bed Wetter!!!

By Midori

July 5, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

LOL

That’s the spirit, N-GA!!! :)

By God has spoken...

July 5, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

To the criminals in power ruining people’s lives.

By Bill Clinton Screwed Up Public Education

July 5, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

Which is why wanker N-GA can do no better than this:

By N-GA July 5, 2006 11:29 AM It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that Andy is an Olympic-class Bed Wetter!!!

How much time you got invested in that, wanker?

Or did thoughts of my manhood just come easy for you?

By gadem

July 5, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

I don’t think anyone here is celebrating the death of anyone. Mr Lay was a crook and liar, but I have not seen anyone rejoice over his death. He will have to answer to GOD, not man for what he did.

By Ralph

July 5, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this

It is well that North Korea is acting up. Now, as well as Bush, we have another full-fledged, know-nothing lunatic to observe closely.

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

By Midori July 5, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this LOL That’s the spirit, N-GA!!! :)

Isn’t that precious the way they dance and cheer until they all sound like the good little myrmidons they are? It almost makes you wish they could use their dancing frogs like they do at Dumba-ss Underground.

By Ted

July 5, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

Vic, thanks for the insightful glance into and short analysis of today’s generations. (A generation is officially defined as 10 years) I couldn’t agree more. Though I lack your technical experience in dealing with these people, the evidence of their existence surrounds and chokes us everywhere. From their dress to their lack of manners, dignity, intelligence, on and on. It is absolutely impossible to imagine or comprehend their ilk flying B-17s over Germany or making landing assaults upon Pacific islands. They could not do it and would not do it. Indeed they do have all “The Wrong Stuff.” Largely due to their rightwing valueless upbringing, this country will accelerate its uncontrollable downward spiral into insignificance and failure after fairure.

By Speaking of dumba-ss....

July 5, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

Fresh Dubya

By Paul

July 5, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

I’m not pleased with the death of anyone. Ken Lay is no exception. I wanted the little insect to spend a couple of decades in a cage. But he kept cheating everyone - right up through the very end.

By Earl

July 5, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

Dear “I Thought Social Security Was Perfect As Is?”

You are unable to answer my question, yet you feel compelled to respond to it by changing the subject. Why is that?

But since you bring up social security, I thought it was meant to be a “net” to provide basic necessities, not a comprehensive, retirement plan like the ones that responsible, hardworking people were swindled out of by greedy, lying executives. I think people who work hard, are thrify, and invest in such a plan should HAVE their money, don’t you?

By Midori

July 5, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that it’s precious the way they dance and cheer until they all sound like the good little myrmidons they are.

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that Democratic Underground was launched.

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that Luckovich established this blog.

it’s Bill Clinton’s fault that the Huffington Post made it’s way on the web.

DAMN YOU, CLINTON!!!!!

By Cindy

July 5, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

It is within the US law that it is ILLEGAL to provide the names of undercover US agents.

It is NOT illegal for the press to report illegal or any other government activities. Conversely, it is the job in the US for the press to watch the government.

Any publication that cannot get this straight is unethical, ignorant in the ways of the US and the constitution, and obviously biased.

By The leader of the free world

July 5, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this

REPORTER: “Is the tide turning in Iraq?” DUBYA: “I think — tide turning — see, as I remember — I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of — it’s easy to see a tide turn — did I say those words?” — Wow. White House, Jun. 14, 2006

Duhbya.

By rushncap

July 5, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

Earl, if you’re hoping to get anything coherent out of li’l andy (“Social Security is perfect…”), you’d be better off spending your time teaching pigs to fly.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

July 5, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

Y’all got it all wrong. Here, you can borrow my tin foil to make a hat. Ken Lay is not dead. It’s a rouse perpetrated by the conservative news media to assist the liar-in-chief in sneaking old Kenny Boy’ and his family to their new digs in Saudi Arabia (second in size, I’ve heard, only to the new U.S. Embassy in Iraq). Or not.

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

Now see ^ ^ ^ that from LTD? That’s what I expect from you guys. Good work LTD!

By I Thought Social Security Was Perfect As Is?

July 5, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

By Earl July 5, 2006 12:10 PM |Dear “I Thought Social Security Was Perfect As Is?” You are unable to answer my question, yet you feel compelled to respond to it by changing the subject. Why is that?

Allow me to offer my sincerest of apologies. I had no idea that your ridiculous premise was meant to frame a question to me. When I first read it I actually thought it was a joke. I mean, really, we live in a world where you liberals won’t let us drill for our own oil so we have to give billions to the terrorists, we have a public education system where the teachers are paid like bankers but they produce results like N-GA and rushncrap, we coughed up a vast fortune for a bunch of party drunks that live twenty feet below sea level.

It sure seems awfully galling that you can run around scolding us with your one financial disaster while your political party inflicts pain on far more people than Enron ever did.

Any more silly a-ss questions?

Oh, yeah, Social Security:

But since you bring up social security, I thought it was meant to be a “net” to provide basic necessities?

I’ll let Hillary answer you:

Hillary’s comments on Personal Retirement Accounts, in reference to a future disaster: “People would say, ‘What am I going to do? Can I count on Social Security?’ ” Mrs. Clinton said. “And the answer would be, well, we’ll have to check on the stock market.” Such comments to a group of retired people only serve to scare them about their own benefits.

By Asking For It?

July 5, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

rushncrap: You ever thought about modulating your drug use or perhaps choosing one drug and sticking to it, so that you eliminate these wild mood swings of yours?

Or maybe you could eat a Pamprin?

One day you pompously announce that you’re ignoring me, the next day you run after me like a little attack rat terrier in need of a stomping.

Is it possible to get some consistency out of you?

By rushncap

July 5, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

Earl, I rest my case.

By Midori

July 5, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

LTD,

Doesn’t sound any more or less far-fetched than some of the “theories” coming from the wingnuts following Foster’s death.

They had him shacked up in a love nest with Hillary. I think that’s where they said she killed him before dumping his body in Rockcreek Park.

Oh yeah, not to forget: Clinton made her do it. Or was it his p-enis? Regardless, he and his unruly dick were to blame.

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Try to pay attention, Vince Foster was dumped in Fort Marcy Park.

Damn public schools….

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

By the way, since the scribbler seems to have abandoned his post out of fear of seeing an overt act of patriotism, I have taken the liberty of posting a new cartoon for him. I even stayed with his New York Times theme.

You’re welcome, ml.

By Midori

July 5, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that the right wing said that Vince Foster’s body was dumped in various parks in the Washington, D.C. area.

Fort Marcy Park is Bill Clinton’s fault.

Rockcreek Park is Bill Clinton’s fault.

Public Schools are Bill Clinton’s fault.

By Midori

July 5, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that RW is the original keyboard kommando

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

July 5, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

I Thought Social Security Was Perfect As Is?,

“the teachers are paid like bankers”: What world are you living in? Where would you get a silly idea like that?

As for the results, a greater portion of the population is literate today than any other time in history and more students go on to college than ever. But it makes it difficult when parents don’t give a crap whether their child passes or fails, because then the student will certainly not care either.

We’re raising essentially two broad classes of Americans for the future- 1) The individuals who are literate but barely have the skills to graduate from high school. These people will make up the largest portion and will be prepared only for simple jobs as laborers and service workers (Wal-Mart, Taco Bell, etc.) 2) A smaller group of individuals who go on to higher education and can acquire decent employment, but who will live their lives deep in debt because the cost of education will continue to rise astronomically.

By rushncap

July 5, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

Yes, it’s the New York Times which is killing the U.S. soldiers with roadside bombs. It’s the New York Times which lead us into an unnecessary war based on lies. It’s the New York Times which has failed to find bin Laden. It’s the New York Times which set up bombs in Spain and London. It’s the New York Times…

You neocons are so predictable. No matter what happens in the world it’s the fault of either Clinton of the NYT. Morons…

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

Here’s something else to add to the Clinton files.

Midori, quit piling on Clinton. The reason you know about Rockcreek park is that Gary Condit (D-CA) mistresses have a habit of turning up dead there.

By Midori

July 5, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that RW the original Keyboard Kommando is unhappy with Midori

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that RW the Original Keyboard Kommando’s diaper is soiled.

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that Midori used to live in Washington and used to visit Rockcreek Park.

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that RW the original keyboard kommando is so well versed with the Foster non-story, that he had to rebuke Midori for naming the wrong park.

By Midori

July 5, 2006 01:47 PM | Link to this

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that Gary Condit (D-CA) mistresses have a habit of turning up in Rockcreek Park.

By Midori

July 5, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that RW the Original Keyboard Kommando’s has a teeny p*enis and can’t satisfy his wife.

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that RW the Original Keyboard Kommando’s wife would rather gargle with broken glass than go to bed with him.

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that RW the original keyboard kommando can’t find a cure for his premature ejaculation.

By getalife

July 5, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this

OMG, it is all Clinton’s fault.

Impeach Clinton.

Wait a minute, he is not the President.

Lets blame the actual people in power.

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

That theory that the New York Times lied us into war doesn’t come from the right, but other than that you have a point about how pathetic both Clinton and the Times were/are.

By Pot To Kettle?

July 5, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this

By rushncrap July 5, 2006 01:36 PM You neocons are so predictable. No matter what happens in the world it’s the fault of either Clinton of the NYT. Morons…

Where do you think the phrase “giving aid and comfort to the enemy” came from, genuis?

Freakin liberals.

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

Midori,

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that Gary Condit (D-CA) mistresses have a habit of turning up in Rockcreek Park.

That should be:

It’s Bill Clinton’s fault that Gary Condit (D-CA) mistresses have a habit of turning up dead in Rockcreek Park.

By Midori found a picture...

July 5, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

of Andy

By finch

July 5, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

North Korea is George Bush’s fault.

Sure you hear the NeoCons bleat that North Korea allegedly got weapons knowhow with Clinton’s approval. Just for the sake of argument, assume that’s true.

So what?

Bush has known for nearly 6 years that N. Korea had an advanced nuclear program.

And he has done nothing.

In June (2002), the Central Intelligence Agency delivered a comprehensive analysis of North Korea’s nuclear ambitions to President Bush and his top advisers.

(This article also details how Bush has ignored Pakistan’s role in N. Korean arms)

The Bush Administration was put on notice about North Korea even before it received the C.I.A. report. In January (of 2002), John Bolton, the Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control (and now US ambassador to the UN), declared that North Korea had a covert nuclear-weapons program and was in violation of the nonproliferation treaty.

The Administration’s fitful North Korea policy, with its mixture of anger and seeming complacency, is in many ways a consequence of its unrelenting focus on Iraq. In late 2001, the White House released a national-security-strategy paper authorizing the military “to detect and destroy an adversary’s WMD assets”—weapons of mass destruction—”before these weapons are used.” The document argued that the armed forces “must have the capability to defend against WMD-armed adversaries … because deterrence may not succeed.” Logically, the new strategy should have applied first to North Korea, whose nuclear-weapons program remains far more advanced. The Administration’s goal, however, was to mobilize public opinion for an invasion of Iraq.

Let’s see what we have now. A North Korea that’s more threatening by the day, and an Iraq that didn’t have nukes or missles (or rampaging bands of terrorists!) that’s become a huge American blood and money pit.

Nice job, George.

By the way… where’s Osama??

By I'm Your Teacher Now, Pay Me

July 5, 2006 02:04 PM | Link to this

By One of the Majority’s Voices of Dissent July 5, 2006 01:36 PM I Thought Social Security Was Perfect As Is? “the teachers are paid like bankers”: What world are you living in? Where would you get a silly idea like that?

Gosh, it’s like common knowledge:

Average Teacher Salary 2005 by district search District Name Average Salary TOWNSHIP HIGH SCHOOL DIST 113 $82,274

You can tell the public school kids, they be da slow uns, like OotMVoD.

By Cindy

July 5, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

Can a neo-con please explain to me why it is bad for the NY Times to print an article, but it is NOT bad if the Wall Street Journal publishes the same information at the same time?

According to the WSJ, the reasoning is that the administration asked the Times not to publish, but did not ask them not to publish. If that is the case, then the public release was not as bad as the conservatives make it out to be.

By finch

July 5, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

finch: Look, man, I know you got some mental issues your trying to get through, but John Edwards is a trial lawyer not a business attorney.

Andy, I’m hugely entertained when you blame posts I hadn’t seen on me, but criticizing me for posting an anti-Clinton and anti-Edwards rant defies logic. Come to think of it, chiding anyone for saying Edwards is a trial and not a business lawyer defies logic. Who cares?

See your MD. Up your meds. Try not to think about gays, short golf skirts, high school sex ed and contraceptives so much. You’re sounding like one of those damn Islamic puritans.

And while you’re at it, go find Osama.

By finch

July 5, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

Average teacher salary is $82k a year?

A wingnut hallucinates again!!

That’s only off by about $35,000.

^^^ product of home schooling?

Hey, maybe someone can explain why state’s with teacher’s unions (NY, CA) have far higher high school graduation rates than schools in states (GA) without them?

By W 's flip flop on OBL:

July 5, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

“I can hear you! I can hear you, the rest of the world can hear you, and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon!”

Later, he said that Osam Bin Laden is not important anymore. This shows his lying character.

By @@

July 5, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this

Daaammmnnn! What happened to Midori?

I must be sure to put something special in her “Fitzmas” stocking.

See how easy it is for me to be nice?

By finch

July 5, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

Cindy,

You’re being far too diplomatic.

It’s been pointed out to the wingnuts that the Wall Street Journal had the SWIFT money transfer tracking story, but was never told not to print it, and in fact was offered government officials to talk about it on the record.

Somehow, this little discrepancy hasn’t dampened their belief that the Times story was traitorous, but the WSJ story was journalism.

Silly wingnuts.

Where’s Osama?

By So What Would You Like To Do With North Korea?

July 5, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

By finch July 5, 2006 02:02 PM North Korea is George Bush’s fault.

Exactly who is North Korea a threat to?

I know you psychos live in your own little world but the first time King Ill mounts a nuke to one of his goony bird missiles, the United States would go apesh-it and flatten their whole country. And probably waste China at the same time.

You’re scared of little rodents, aren’t you finchie? I’ll bet in your loony toony little world, chihuahuas are great big ferocious fire breathing dragons, aren’t they?

Korea, please. Japan would swarm that as-s if it got out of hand.

This is the same kook that calls 1 billion Muslim fanatics harmless. Fanatics that attacked our homeland. Fanatics that kill women and children by the hundreds.

Insanity, total insanity.

By Look At The Kook Shilling For The NEA

July 5, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

By finch July 5, 2006 02:25 PM Average teacher salary is $82k a year?

Hey loony tunes, go to the teamster’s website when we get into a debate about trucker’s pay. That will show them.

What a clown, what did crazy man expect the National Education Association to say, “cut our pay?”

Insanity, total insanity.

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

July 5, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

Andy/I’m Your Teacher,

The average teacher salary in Georgia is $48,000. A couple of things to consider with that number- 40% of Georgia teachers have masters degrees. That’s not a great deal of money to make for that level of education. Also, Georgia pays relatively well, the best in the south and on average for the nation, so there are many teachers who earn far less than $48,000. The pay scale in Georgia tops at $70,000 and that’s only if you have a PhD and 20 years of experience. Once again Andy, you’re far, far off mark with your comments. How many more times will you be wrong again today? I guess you’ll have no clue since your math is so bad.

By What's The Difference, Your All Insane?

July 5, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

By finch July 5, 2006 02:11 PM Andy, I’m hugely entertained when you blame posts I hadn’t seen on me, but criticizing me for posting an anti-Clinton and anti-Edwards rant defies logic.

Not if it was meant to impersonate me. Duh.

So which one of your personalities authored it then? Can we leave me out of it and you just take my message and give it to General Seeker, Andy’s Mom, short hairs, bye bye buy buy and all the other looney toonies you got running around in your head?

By finch Has Got Voices In His Head Now

July 5, 2006 02:49 PM | Link to this

By W ‘s flip flop on OBL: July 5, 2006 02:26 PM Later, he said that Osam Bin Laden is not important anymore. This shows his lying character.

He’s hearing things that no one else has heard.

Did some little birdie tell you this, finchie?

Does Bush speak to you and no one else, loony tunes?

What else has Bush told you and only you?

By I'm Not Getting Paid Enough Either

July 5, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

OotMvOd: Trust me.

See how easy that was?

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

OotMVoD,

An average of 48K sounds pretty good for a group that even finch says is one the worst in the nation. Maybe those masters degrees are the ones you buy in the Rolling Stone classifieds. How about instead of these silly across the board union pay scales we get a merit based system?

By Ask A Stupid Question

July 5, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

By finch July 5, 2006 02:32 PM Cindy, You’re being far too diplomatic. It’s been pointed out to the wingnuts that the Wall Street Journal had the SWIFT money transfer tracking story

From the Opinion Journal:

Around the same time, Treasury contacted Journal reporter Glenn Simpson to offer him the same declassified information. Mr. Simpson has been working the terror finance beat for some time, including asking questions about the operations of Swift, and it is a common practice in Washington for government officials to disclose a story that is going to become public anyway to more than one reporter. Our guess is that Treasury also felt Mr. Simpson would write a straighter story than the Times, which was pushing a violation-of-privacy angle; on our reading of the two June 23 stories, he did.

The Treasury knew that the Treason Times was going to publish the story and they did not want just the anti American version of it floating around.

So they offered the same information to an American newspaper to counter Al Qaeda’s Propaganda.

Looney tune.

By Factor This In

July 5, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

RW: Not to mention they only work 9 months a year, six hours a day.

Plus the 48K average does not factor in health insurance, pension and other benefits.

They’re making a killing, literally. Killing our country, that is.

By Midori

July 5, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

Support for tax cuts — a signature campaign issue for congressional Republicans — is waning on Capitol Hill, with the GOP-led Congress reaching its Independence Day recess with no tax-trimming victories to tout in home districts. Senate majority leader Bill Frist last week was forced to withdraw a measure to cut the estate tax, which foes derisively call the “death tax,” because there was not enough support for it.

It’s all Bill Clinton’s fault

Some lawmakers said their constituents, who once clamored for tax cuts, have recently begun quizzing them about the deficit and questioning whether the tax cuts were doing more for wealthier Americans than the middle class.

It’s all Bill Clinton’s fault

Unable to make headway on the defining issue of taxes, Republicans have been pushing a series of measures on such hot-button issues as gay marriage, flag burning and gun control. House Republicans have dubbed their package the “American Values Agenda,” and plan to take it up when lawmakers return July 10.

It’s all Bill Clinton’s fault

By Why Would He Have Anyway?

July 5, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

Limbaugh won’t face charges over Viagra found in his possession

By getalife

July 5, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

A great American patriot is right again

By What About The Stain On Monica's Dress?

July 5, 2006 03:35 PM | Link to this

Who’s fault was that, Midori?

By Midori

July 5, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

NEW YORK Well, Ann Coulter may be “liberal” in one respect, anyway. The New York Post reported Sunday that author/columnist Coulter “cribbed liberally in her latest book” and also in several of her syndicated columns, according to a plagiarism expert.

John Barrie, creator of the iThenticate plagiarism-probing system, claimed he found at least three examples of what he called “textbook plagiarism” in the new Coulter book “Godless” after he ran its text through the program.

He also discovered verbatim copying in Coulter’s weekly column, which is syndicated to more than 100 newspapers by Universal.

It’s all Bill Clinton’s fault

By Ann Coulter Used Words In Her Book!

July 5, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

Big Words! Words that other people have used before! Words like “word!”

By getalife

July 5, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

Gas prices to reach $3 a gallon average.

Is it Bill Clinton’s fault?

By the short hairs

July 5, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

Ann Coulter is no different than most writers: one in a million has any original ideas. They are all hacks. But they have publishing deadlines, and book signings, so there’s no time to write. Understandable.

And so what? Hacks are hacks, let them be. They’re harmless.

By the short hairs

July 5, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

BILL CLINTON explained everything about Lewinski Affair. He called it a Paradox:

“If Monica had stayed quiet, I’d have gotten out of that mess. Yet, on the other hand, if she had a bigger mouth I wouldn’t have stained her dress.”

By the short hairs

July 5, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

That’s when Hillary got so mad at Bill Clinton that she mixed his Viagra with the date-rape drug and told him to go f*ck himself. (true story)

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

July 5, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

Factor this/Andy,

No teachers work only 6 hours a day. Most put in 8-9 hours plus work on the weekends when school is in session (that’s 8-9 hours more per day than you work). Also, most salaried positions in any field include health insurance (it’s not free for anyone), pension, and benefits, so what’s your point? You don’t have one.

RW,

I’m all for the state refusing to provide pay bumps for dubious online masters programs. Just give credit for credible brick and mortar programs. As far as merit based pay, I’ve never seen a proposal that made sense. In lower level classes often 20-30% of students will fail regardless of who their teacher is because they don’t care and their parents don’t care. They don’t show up for class and they don’t do any work. Only about 2-3% in advanced classes will fail regardless of who the teacher is. So why wouldn’t every teacher want to teach only advanced classes and make more money? Why would anyone want to teach the lower-level students who are more difficult to manage behaviorally if they got paid less money to do so? Every merit based system I’ve seen proposed would ensure that no teachers would ever want to teach any of the lower-level students who need the most help. It would mean that the price of taking on the most difficult students was that you put less food on the table for your own family. Doesn’t make sense.

By @@

July 5, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

Watching sports can be hazardous to your health if Islamic Radicals catch you.

It was a room full of teenagers for crying out loud. Here in America, we encourage our kids to get involved in sports to keep them out of trouble. I guess things would be different if Islamofacists have their way.

By finch

July 5, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

People I don’t even know have Andy wasting his time running around in circles, bleating “victim! victim!!

This is GREAT!!

By the short hairs

July 5, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this

@@, we are no better than Islamic people. At Kent State, in 1970, the national guard shot dead four students for watching a game of the recently banned, “Strip Frisbee”, man.

Tin soldiers and Nixon calling.

By Yes, It Is Clinton's Fault

July 5, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this

By getalife July 5, 2006 04:03 PM Gas prices to reach $3 a gallon average. Is it Bill Clinton’s fault?

I’ve heard it said many, many times that if Billy would have zipped his pants up and drilled ANWR instead of Kathleen Wiley (against her will, maybe Alaska should have resisted) we would be putting that 75 million per day back into our economy now.

Thanks, Bubba!

By finch

July 5, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

“Our guess is that Treasury also felt Mr. Simpson would write a straighter story than the Times, which was pushing a violation-of-privacy…” - (WSJ)

Our GUESS??? There’s nuts and bolts reporting for you! No, the WSJ went with the same story as the NYT on the Belgium based SWIFT money center. The notion that the Times did it from an “invasion of privacy” perspective and the WSJ didn’t is irrelevant.

The FACT is that the NYT and WSJ had exactly the same “secrets” in their stories. But the WSJ (unlike the NYT) was never told to keep it quiet!

So they offered the same information to an American newspaper to counter Al Qaeda’s Propaganda.

Good! You admit that the information in the WSJ was the same as the info in the NYT. So what difference does it make???

Can’t see the hypocricy? Must be your home schooling.

I know you psychos live in your own little world but the first time King Ill mounts a nuke to one of his goony bird missiles, the United States would go apesh-it and flatten their whole country.

That’s the problem, dirt for brains. “King Ill” DOESN’T CARE. So North Korea’s not a threat? It’s more of a threat than Iraq ever was, idiot. Iraq never tested a missle that could hit the US. Iraq never went beyond the “wish list” stage in its nuclear program.

See the difference? Probably not. Home schooling again.

By the way, where’s Osama? You know, public enemy number one? The killer of 3000 Americans?

You don’t think about it, just like our Fearless Leader doesn’t think about it.

Why do you hate America?

By Midori

July 5, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

George Bush kissed the Saudi Prince, held his hand, but the Prince still refused to help “W” deal with the outrageous fuel prices.

Yup. Clinton’s fault.

Idiots and morons vastly overstate the amount of oil located in ANWAR, as well as how long it will take to refine that oil.

Again, Clinton’s fault.

Ken Lay helped Bush and Cheney write this god awful energy policy that has us paying thru the noise for gasoline.

Damn Clinton.

Kathleen Willey wrote several love letters to Bill Clinton, which were released to rebut her claims that he forced himself on her.

This time it wasn’t Clinton’s fault. It was his evil dick’s fault.

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

OotMVoD,

Back on June 12th “RE” gave almost the verbatim argument for teacher pay not being merit based. I’m just going to copy me response as follows:

You have to set teaching standards as well, so that a bad teacher in a school that performs well overall isn’t rewarded based on the group as a whole. That’s one of the biggest problems with teachers unions and the government school system now.

I don’t have a problem with beginning with a very short term sliding scale to make up for the way the public school system has destroyed the inner city systems. Start with a system that says you have to improve incrementally at a pace that ultimately gets you to the same standards as everyone else. This might even create a situation that draws good teachers into the inner city because the potential reward for incremental improvement could be greater.

I still don’t think that the very best teachers are in it for the financial reward though. The truly brightest and best can make far more in other fields if they are only driven by money. End of reprint.

Frankly your argument can be made about any field of endeavor and I wouldn’t like it any better for a widget maker than a school teacher. Keeping the best back to protect the worst just doesn’t make any sense to me.

By Midori

July 5, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this

I understand that Hannity is blaming Clinton for North Korea firing those missiles.

It truly is Clinton’s fault.

Bush has had six years to deal with Korea, and Clinton should have known better. All he had to do was take Bush by the hand and guide him.

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

Midori,

The funny thing is, I don’t remember you guys liking Clinton very much back then either. Why does Alaskan oil take longer to refine than any other oil?

finch,

I for one am heartened to see you throwing around your childish schoolyard taunts in your own name again. Baby steps you know.

By rushncap

July 5, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this

Public school system has destroyed the inner city systems?? You have GOT to be kidding. RE and RW can’t be that dumb, can they?

OK, I’ll bite: when was the inner city school system so good? I mean, if something got “destroyed” that means at one point it was whole, no? So, when did the inner-city school system stop being great?

By @@

July 5, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this

Short Hairs:

If you want to relive the 60’s, far be it from me to stop you. Short of the Timothy McVeigh’s (he’s dead, right?) instances such as the one you speak of would never be tolerated today. That can be a lesson learned from the 60’s.

The communist invasion of America never concerned my father at the time, and as I child, I trusted his judgment. He was a military man. However, the invasion of Islamofacists is occurring around the world as well as here. That radical mindset began well before the 60’s. In this country, remnant minds of the 60’s may end up doing more harm than good when it comes to Radical Islam’s invasion plans.

You want to walk down memory land, great…just don’t ask me to hold your hand.

By Boring

July 5, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this

These incessant liberal lunatics, sigh.

By finch July 5, 2006 05:01 PM The notion that the Times did it from an “invasion of privacy” perspective and the WSJ didn’t is irrelevant.

Now this is unique, looney finch is going to volunteer to be the only person in the world who believes in the objectivity of the New York Times. I doubt if the Times even believes it anymore. Does that deter crazy man finch, of course not, off we go on a psychotic joy ride through some moonbat amusement park where we’re just going to pretend the the Treason Times still loves America.

I mean really, to go with his insanity plea means you also have to believe that the Wall Street Journal is just itching to do in the Bush Administration. Talk about your low Earth orbits.

It’s rather simple to see, unless you are a stark raving lunatic, the Treasury knew the Treason Times was going to publish the Al Qaeda Bill Of Rights story and wanted to counter it with the truth. So they called on a credible news organization, the Wall Street Journal.

That’s the problem, dirt for brains. “King Ill” DOESN’T CARE.

Just because you’re suicidal doesn’t mean that King Ill has to be too. Most Dictators enjoy life, it’s like Osama Bin Laden, he gets other people to die for his beliefs.

Just because you are a dupe and believe their propaganda doesn’t mean you need to share it with us. It makes you look silly.

It’s more of a threat than Iraq ever was, idiot.

Wrong again, looney. Iraq acted on their threats. Just because you play in the lib fantasy land of the New York Times doesn’t make your kook playground exploits true.

Saddam sheltered Al Qaeda, he funded terrorism, possibly even 9/11, he cooked WMD for them.

What has your boogey man done lately? Nearly hit the Russians in the a-ss with one of his goony bird rockets, hahahahahahahaha.

Loser.

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Not that it would stop you from butting in, but you would have to go back to the 12th to see RE’s comments. I’m guessing that he is more on your side than mine.

If I build a hospital and you burn it down before it helps anyone, is it insignificant since it never had done any good anyway?

How about this one, if the inner city public schools have always been a horrific disaster what does that make someone that wants to keep the same system in place forever? I would say it makes you a bigot, but I’d be interested in knowing why those kids don’t deserve a chance in your world.

By @@

July 5, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this

OMG! Did I just read that Clinton is behind “Evil Dick”. Midori, are you getting it now? All that you hate (Bush,Cheney, Rove), is Clinton’s fault.

By Help Your Country, Man

July 5, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

Hey maybe we could get finch to blast off and zoom up to the Shuttle where he can check for foam damage?

Heck, you’re already “out” there.

By Glenn

July 5, 2006 06:06 PM | Link to this

So “Kenny Boy” is gone. Lying and cheating and stealing right up to the end. Without ever paying any dues. How utterly Bushesque.

By getalife

July 5, 2006 06:22 PM | Link to this

Lets see, we have Iran and North Korea nuclear threats. Wars in Afganistan, Iraq and Gaza.

So where was our fearless leader today?

Dunkin Donuts, of course.

By @@

July 5, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this

An excellent source for information on how well our teachers are doing in public school are the paraprofessionals.

I had the luxury of being a parapro for one year in the public school system before I decided to apply my degree. The luxury was all the teacher’s. While she sat at the computer e-mailing her friends, I was responsible for updating lesson plans, overseeing classwork, and transporting the children to their destination, i.e. P.E., lunch, mainstream classes. When she wasn’t e-mailing, she was out of the classroom. I never knew where.

The following year, I was giving those kids what they needed in a private school. Public school? No thanks, pays good, but work ethic was lousy.

By Some Predictions

July 5, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this

The Swami sez that cartoon boy will post the new cartoon at 7:01 and finch will reply to my comments at 9:10.

How do I know this?

Neither of them has any guts.

By Danish in Vacationland

July 5, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

finch,

I don’t recall any North Korean agents involved with either World Trade Center bombing, or meeting with Timothy McVeigh’s cronies in the Philipines.

Were the Red Elvis’ agents in Afghanistan, only to flee to Iraq before we invaded in 2003? Did Saddam Hussein send big bucks to Elvis?

Is the entire North Korean populace issuing commie fatwas against Americans, Jews and non-believers around the globe?

Et cetera, et cetera.

Perhaps you have access to some super-secret proprietary website that will connect the dots for us?

Thanks to Ronald “Star Wars” Reagan, even if Elvis’ missiles didn’t prematurely ejaculate, we can defend ourselves. Didn’t the Libs spend enormous political capital arguing against missile defense systems? Did it have something to do with a “Peace Dividend”? Money needed for daycare? I don’t recall the twisted particulars - just the “Big Picture”.

By rushncap

July 5, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

What makes you think that the problem with inner-city schools is the teachers?

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 06:41 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

When you butt into someone else’s conversation you should at least try to have a clue what you are talking about. This conversation was specifically about public school teachers both in quality and pay. I think the overall public school system is an utter failure and while there are many other components to that we weren’t discussing them.

What’s that old line about keeping your mouth shut and being thought a fool or posting your 6:29 and removing all doubt?

By finch

July 5, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

I don’t recall any North Korean agents involved with either World Trade Center bombing, or meeting with Timothy McVeigh’s cronies in the Philipines.

I certainly don’t recall any Iraqi government agents involved with these events, either.

And your point is???

“Star Wars” is an untested unknown. You may have confidence that it will protect against ICBMS… but I don’t.

By the way… where’s Osama?

By @@

July 5, 2006 06:51 PM | Link to this

Sorry, butting in like rushncap.

rushncap:

It’s obvious what you’re trying to do here. Forget it. What better place for an incompetent teacher to hide out than in an inner city school. Lousy teachers from all walks of life will seek refuge, (pay is also higher in inner city schools), they can always blame it on the kids. Now that is bigotry of the worst possible kind. Deny the kids an education, and then blame them because you didn’t do your job.

Shameful.

By finch

July 5, 2006 06:54 PM | Link to this

Brain dead alert!!

the Treasury knew the Treason Times was going to publish the Al Qaeda Bill Of Rights story and wanted to counter it with the truth. So they called on a credible news organization, the Wall Street Journal.

The stories in both papers contained the exact same “secret” information, jerk. What’s the difference to a terrorist? Zero.

Wrong again, looney. Iraq acted on their threats.

What are you raving about?? Oh THIS!

Saddam sheltered Al Qaeda, he funded terrorism, possibly even 9/11, he cooked WMD for them.

You believe this crap? Osama HATED Saddam! He was a worldly secularist who didn’t fear Allah! Paranoid idiot sucker.

Just because you’re suicidal doesn’t mean that King Ill has to be too. Just because you are a dupe and believe their propaganda doesn’t mean you need to share it with us. It makes you look silly.

From someone who still believes all that poop about Saddam’s imminent threat to the US, poop that even President Bush now admits wasn’t true, you shouldn’t be calling anyone silly. If you don’t think N. Korea’s a bigger threat than Saddam ever was, you’re dangerously stupid.

When you’re through playing with yourself, go do something useful. Like finding Osama.

By Danish in Vacationland

July 5, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

finch/Seeker,

The point, which is beyond obvious, is that 9/11 required an immediate response in the Middle East - not in North Korea.

The dots are there for you to connect, including the Iraqi agents, and I’ve given you (Seeker) payloads of info and I’m not going to waste my time going through it again with you. You’ve never rebutted any of it -you just disappear and become somebody else for the day or week, hoping that we’ll forget.

Missile defense is not perfect, but if your side had been in charge we wouldn’t have any of it to protect us from the nuclear capability that the Clinton Administration foolishly entrusted Elvis with.

Osama is contained - just like you wanted Saddam to be.

By finch

July 5, 2006 07:17 PM | Link to this

Despite overwhelming evidence, wingnuts insists that it’s noble and partiotic for the Wall Street Journal to publish exactly the same information as the New York Times.

You can’t make this stuff up!

Or maybe you can!! The addicts of the neocon media world are lost in their own theme park, mindlessly grinning as they enjoy such great rides as “Tilt-the-Truth” and “Liar’s Lair”.

More broadly, the one thing worse than a press that is “out of control” is one that is under control. Anybody who has lived in a Communist country knows that. Just consider what would happen if the news media as a whole were as docile to the administration as Fox News or The Wall Street Journal editorial page.

When I was covering the war in Iraq, we reporters would sometimes tune to Fox News and watch, mystified, as it purported to describe how Iraqis loved Americans. Such coverage (backed by delusional Journal editorials baffling to anyone who was actually in Iraq) misled conservatives about Iraq from the beginning. In retrospect, the real victims of Fox News weren’t the liberals it attacked but the conservatives who believed it.

By ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

July 5, 2006 07:25 PM | Link to this

The stories in both papers contained the exact same “secret” information, jerk. What’s the difference to a terrorist? Zero.

No kidding. Prove my point for me. Yyaawwwn. So why would the Treasury contact the Wall Street Journal if not to get the true version of the story out?

You believe this crap? Osama HATED Saddam!

O.K. in the interest of boredom, I’ll concede your childish insane little point that Saddam just hated Bin Laden, even if no one in the world has any proof of this. What about his love for Zarqawi? He gave that dude the keys to Baghdad.

poop that even President Bush now admits wasn’t true

Those voices in your head are truly exclusive, I hope you know that, right? I’ve heard alot of what Bush has said over the years, that never came from his mouth.

I tend to agree with Danish, only she put it such a way that your a-ss must really sting right now, you have got to be the lamest debater in the whole entire world.

This is starting to get painful.

By @@

July 5, 2006 07:26 PM | Link to this

It must be nice ml to take a long 4th of July vacation from the freedoms that you have been given. You know, the freedoms that allow you to say what you want against our government and military.

The only problem I have with that is, before you left, you forgot to acknowledge up ^^^ there, who won that freedom for you.

This lousy cartoon has been here since June 30th. The server is slower than ever because of the time it has been up.

I’m thinking you don’t really care though.

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 07:34 PM | Link to this

Andy,

It would appear you have finch stomping his feet really hard while he chants, maybe you stick around and see if he’ll start holding his breath too.

I think I’ll sign up for this, they could use the sanity.

finch,

Why do you insist on trying to get tens of thousands of our soldiers killed in the Hindu-Kush mountains? As Danish pointed out OBL is contained which used to be your gold standard.

At the risk of butting in like rushncap, I would add that North Korea is as dangerous as they are ever going to be and their little stunt yesterday probably put an end to that. Iraq was close to bribing their way out of sanctions and there would have been nothing to stop them after that. They also had the means to get real money, instead of the laser printer variety. You should really read the whole David Kay report sometime about how Iraq was far more dangerous than we thought, instead of just the NYT excerpts.

By ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

July 5, 2006 07:51 PM | Link to this

RW: Not only that now he’s pulling his favorite Treason Times trick, plagiarism:

By Boring July 5, 2006 05:44 PM Does that deter crazy man finch, of course not, off we go on a psychotic joy ride through some moonbat amusement park..*

By finch July 5, 2006 07:17 PM are lost in their own theme park, mindlessly grinning as they enjoy such great rides as “Tilt-the-Truth” and “Liar’s Lair”.

He knows he heard that somewhere and it was cool, maybe it was those voices in his head, the same ones telling him what he wants Bush to say.

But check this insanity out, the whole point of this debate is the non credibility of the NY Times, so who does finch start sourcing his quotes from?:

Don’t Turn Us Into Poodles By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF The New York Times Published: July 4, 2006

And listen to this utter contempt for American security displayed by this filthy mofo in the same article:

Two disclosures by this newspaper have sparked particular outrage: a report about National Security Agency wiretapping without warrants and one about a program to track terror financing by examining bank transfers.

The first scoop strikes me as the best of journalism, for it revealed possibly illegal behavior without any apparent risk to national security.

These POS are proud of themselves.

That says it all.

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 08:18 PM | Link to this

I was going to let it slide that his proof of how wonderful the Times was , was a pirated copy of Times Select editorial.

He’s right about one thing, some things you just can’t make up.

By Danish in Vacationland

July 5, 2006 09:02 PM | Link to this

By finch/July 5, 2006 05:01 PM

“Our guess is that Treasury also felt Mr. Simpson would write a straighter story than the Times, which was pushing a violation-of-privacy…” - (WSJ)

Our GUESS??? There’s nuts and bolts reporting for you!

finch,

How about this from Nicholas Kristoff via Andy - Bold italics mine:

The first scoop strikes me as the best of journalism, for it revealed possibly illegal behavior without any apparent risk to national security.

Possibly?? Apparent?? Is that your standard of “Nuts and Bolts Reporting”?

Why don’t you ask the DU to put out a trial balloon that has Nicholas Kristoff in line to run the NSA as part of the next Dem Prez hopeful’s dream administration?

By finch

July 5, 2006 09:16 PM | Link to this

And the wingnuts keep repeating the mantra…

“If it’s in the NYT it’s traitorous!! If the same facts are in the WSJ it’s patriotic!!”

Go ahead and call me bad names, little children! It doesn’t distract from the truth. You have to hold the WSJ and the NYT to the same standard, or your veracity is shot. Heehee!

A US assault to get Osama would cost 10s of thousands of American lives? Do you have a credible link for that estimate? Didn’t think so.

Or maybe that’s the estimate from the loonies who predicted Americans would be greeted with candy and flowers when Baghdad fell? Whoa, now it’s really credible!

Osama was soooo important once. But it seems some people can’t be bothered with the mass murderer of 3000 Americans anymore.

Hint: Check mirror.

Osama contained?? Not as long as he’s got his computer-nerds and his satellite phones and his money, the ONLY tools he needed to plan 9/11. The ‘sour grapes’ defense is for cowards and fools. Why not just give him amnesty? Stop being such an apologist for an incompetent Presidency.

Speaking of incompetent.. did you hear the one about the Bush gang’s underwriting North Korea’s weapons programs? It’s true…

The US Government has announced (April 3, 2002) that it will release $95m to North Korea as part of an agreement to replace the Stalinist country’s own nuclear programme, which the US suspected was being misused.

In releasing the funding, President George W Bush waived the Framework’s requirement that North Korea allow inspectors to ensure it has not hidden away any weapons-grade plutonium from the original reactors.

President Bush argued that the decision was “vital to the national security interests of the United States”.

What a strategerist! What a deciderer! He thinks long term planning involves breakfast menus. God help the Americans who have to clean up his messes in Iraq, Iran, North Korea, etc.

I hope Andy, under one of his many fake names (only he can use fake names, dontchaknow) frees his sticky fingers long enough to answer. It’s a howl seeing him paint himself into corners. More fun than humans should be allowed to have.

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 09:46 PM | Link to this

finch,

Since the tens of thousands is in your screed, I guess you’re talking to me. Have you ever heard of Russia? Maybe you should into how they were lured into these mountains and slaughtered systemically. If your plan is to get out of the way and nuke the entire place it might work, but sending troops in there is signing their death warrant.

Now on to your snarky comment about multiple name use. When seeker and finch would come in to compliment each other on how smart they were, normal people that knew they were both you got a little concerned. When you started telling us the two of you didn’t get along you moved into certified whack job territory.

By RW-(the original)

July 5, 2006 10:22 PM | Link to this

Allow me to revise my third sentence at 9:46. Please change it to read: Maybe you should look into how they were lured into these mountains and systematically slaughtered.

Now for the rest of you, this is what I meant earlier.

If I were Ken Lay, worth tens or hundreds of millions, I’d have set a plan, in case I was convicted, to get out of the country in a way that would allow George Bush to just forget about me. I don’t trust Bush, Lay’s friend. I had feared that Bush would pardon Lay, but that would have been awkward. This little slight of hand would make it much easier. All Bush has to do is tell his little sock puppet, Gonzalez not to check it out closely. “Let the death pass.”

I gave you guys a chance to get there first, but I forgot about the fact that you don’t say anything until a Rob Kall comes along to write it for you.

(Hat Tip: OO)

By ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

July 6, 2006 04:37 AM | Link to this

You’re telling me I have to wade through the insanity to find the hidden question?

I hope Andy, under one of his many fake names (only he can use fake names, dontchaknow) frees his sticky fingers long enough to answer.

I don’t see any questions. All I see is the same exact thing this loser respond with 6 months ago.

It’s like an insane wind up doll, like being stuck in “Ground Hogs Day” with Michael Moore instead of Andie McDowell.

I’ve had it.

There’s no hope here.

This guy is gone.

By Andy's Only Post

July 6, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this

Here was our chance to stop this before it started:

Kim is at it again because his previous provocations have typically been rewarded. The most famous example is the 1994 Agreed Framework in which the Clinton Administration responded to Kim’s nuclear threats by offering aid and the promise of nuclear energy plants. That deal collapsed in 2002 when Kim repudiated it, announced a secret nuclear program and kicked out U.N. inspectors.-WallStreetJournal

“Kicked out UN Inspectors.”

Sounds familiar, don’t it?

Iraq will never threaten us with nuclear tipped missiles.

Can you tell me the difference between the two countries?

No lunatic answers, please.

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A few weeks ago, a historian sent me a long article about how the terrorists are fighting us by cooking up these horror stories and paying people to pretend to “witness” them. Either they “witness” U.S. atrocities or they get their heads cut off. The British in Iraq have found out that almost all of these accusations are false. I wonder how many months will have to go by until we learn that some of these accusations against our men are false.

In the meantime, how can it be that the Supreme Court is worried about the rights of Osama bin Laden’s driver in court, but no one is raising a finger about the rights of Marines who offer their lives to fight for us and then get held in leg irons when there is an accusation against them? How can this be?-AmericanSpectator

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The number of weapons found wouldn’t have posed much of a threat to protected troops, but could be devastating to civilians. (Saddam used fewer than 20 such munitions to kill an estimated 5,000 Kurds at Halabja in 1988.) The discovery makes it clear Saddam did possess stockpiles of WMD, and that if there were an effort to dispose of them, it was incomplete. Five hundred artillery shells filled with sarin and mustard is a lot to overlook.

There likely are more. Confidence on the left that “Bush lied” when he said Saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction is based on the report of the Iraq Survey Group, which found no stockpiles of WMD. But Charles Duelfer, who headed the ISG, acknowledged his group examined less than one quarter of one percent of the more than 10,000 known weapons storage sites in Iraq. –RealClearPolitics

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The left wants a retreat from Iraq to be the prelude to a larger collapse of American pre-eminence world wide. It attacks U.S. policy everywhere, denounces America’s allies and, most alarming, embraces foreign powers it hopes will be strong enough to confront Washington.

Those of us who do not want it to be over for America need to be aware of the larger leftist agenda of U.S. defeat worldwide. Their willingness to embrace foreign powers to help bring down America raises fundamental questions about the proper limits of partisan debate.

Our fate, and that of our children, depend upon our country remaining strong, successful and able to shape world events to our advantage. How best to provide for our security raises a legitimate set of complex issues. But rooting against the home team is not acceptable behavior.-Washington Times

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Messrs. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld have certainly made mistakes in the Iraq war. And, unless the only histories are written by people such as the angry Ricks, they will be judged fairly. One mistake they didn’t make is turning the military into a political arm of the White House. Which brings us back to the conscience of a general.

How many of the generals now cooperating with Ricks and Holbrooke and the Democratic Party resigned rather than obey orders that conflicted with their conscience? None. That is the best measure of the credibility of these men and the writers who rely on them.-RealClearPolitics

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It is their intention to remake the Democratic Party from without; to use it as a vehicle for their radical agenda. Along with Lieberman, the peaceniks have set their sights on another Northeastern “conservative,” Hillary Clinton. Her Green Party opponent has eloquently stated the goal of those who would conduct our national defense: “Expecting the Democrats to end the Iraq war is like expecting crack addicts to turn in their dealers.”

Yes, the desire to fight our enemies on foreign shores instead of here at home and support the mission of our troops should be an addiction: like breathing. But to those remnants of the Vietnam anti-war era and their pitiful descendants, the image of the American military in action speaks not of the quest for freedom but the tyranny of an evil, imperialistic thirst for capitalistic domination.-AmericanSpectator

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The theme of the election has been the Mexican economy, which is of particular interest to the United States because an ailing Mexican economy bears on the number of immigrants Mexico exports to the United States. The Mexican economy is still defined by poverty, even though foreign investments and exports have increased while inflation has decreased in recent years. Mr. Calderon campaigned on free-trade and business-friendly policies that would target unemployment in Mexico and keep the economy steered toward the right path. Mr. Lopez Obrador, on the other hand, as the mayor of Mexico City relied on government handouts and large public-works projects to boost his popularity among the poor.-WashingtonTimes

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There is no more a “political middle” than there is a family in America with 2.3 children. People with opinions take sides. Contrary to what you’ve heard, it’s actually more important to stand for something than it is for everybody to “just get along.”-AnnCoulterHumanEvents

By N-GA

July 6, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

The first post of the morning is from Andy, citing every right-wing fascist aource available to him (likely provided to him by the neo-conservative “think tanks” that pay no taxes while spewing fascist propaganda. I waited more than 1 1/2 hours to see when someone would post a response. But none were to be found.

Now then…to my point…Andy loves to call people “wankers”. It amuses me to no end to witness Andy issuing inane posts on this blog for the sole purpose of pleasuring himself. Andy, the Wanker of wankers!!

By Cindy

July 6, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

Would a neo con please explain:

Why is containment good for Osama Bin Laden, who is responsible for killing over 3,000 Americans, but it wasn’t good for Sadaam Hussein who wasn’t involved in 9/11?

The neocons have yet to tell me why it was OK for WSJ to publish an article, but not OK for the NY Times to publish the same article.

By Would Some Moonbat Please Explain?

July 6, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

What’s a neocon?

By Andy Must've Been a Bottle Baby

July 6, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

Study finds breast feeding wards off bed-wetting

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Children breast-fed as infants are less likely to wet the bed later on, researchers reported on Wednesday, probably because they have a developmental edge.

There is strong evidence that in many cases bed-wetting can “result from delayed neurodevelopment,” said the report from the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School in New Brunswick, New Jersey.

Now we know with scientific accuracy why Andy is … Andy ! ! !

By Cindy

July 6, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

neocon is described, in one form, as “interventionist with hawkish views on foreign policy”.

By Andy Must've Been a Bottle Baby

July 6, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Neocon= ‘old’ conservative now relabeled as ‘new’ (see KKK, John Birch Society, Joseph McCarthy, Dixiecrat, White Supremacy)

By Isn't It Just Like A Liberal?

July 6, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

They reduce their whole existence in life to what ever their pee pee is doing.

Everything rotates around their little wee wees.

They study their things.

It’s all they can relate to, all they can talk about.

It’s what is important to them.

By @@

July 6, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

Does ml still work for the AJC?

N-GA: I guess you would prefer to have only the liberals pleasure you? Andy doesn’t try to hide himself behind names. He uses them as a defense mechanism to protect his right to free speech. I’ve been looking at this site since December. The initial slurry of namejacking was perpetrated by the left during fits of rage, anger and frustration.

If you can recognize his posts under other names, then you’re proving my point. He’s not trying to hide.

I don’t know why the liberals here namejack. Maybe you can explain.

By So Al Qaeda Are "Neocons?"

July 6, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

Moonbat.

By This Is Easy To Understand, So Of Course finch Won't

July 6, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

Just for you, Cindy!

Fifth, the Times cannot hide behind the fact that the Wall Street Journal and the Los Angeles Times also published this story on June 23. The Times pursued SWIFT for weeks before any other news outlet had heard about SWIFT. As a lengthy Journal editorial explained last Friday, Treasury officials concluded The Times would spurn their pleas not to publish. So, the day before the story broke, they offered The Times several declassified talking points about SWIFT because, as Assistant Secretary Fratto put it, “They had 80 percent of the story, but they had about 30 percent of it wrong.”

Treasury also gave that declassified information to the Journal’s Glenn Simpson. As the Journal’s editorial put it: “Our guess is that Treasury also felt Mr. Simpson would write a straighter story than the Times, which was pushing a violation-of-privacy angle; on our reading of the two June 23 stories, he did.”-NationalReview

By Andy Must've Been a Bottle Baby

July 6, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

Dear Moonbat (nice signature): Yes Al Qaeda are “Neocons”. Different colored skin, different region of the world but they are definitely the “Neocons” of their societies ! ! !

By Wanker alert

July 6, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

A neocon is a political traitor who says he’s a conservative, but repudiates all major conservative principles.

Unlike real conservatives, a neocon favors big government, uncontrolled federal deficit spending, elimination of individual rights, and expensive and deadly foreign entanglements.

Neocons also operate by the “do as I say not as I do” principle. For example, they’ll condemn President Clinton for “coddling” North Korea, but ignore President Bush’s 2002 decision to send nearly $100 million to the same renegade nation.

Neocons also embrace and abandon specific anti-terror goals. Where once the capture of Osama big Laden (aka Public Enemy #1) was a top priority, he’s now an afterthought.

Desperate defenders of this betrayal whine that the US would lose “10s of thousands” in the Hindu Kush, “just like the Russians”. Apples and oranges. The Russians tried to conquer and control. The US would be looking for just one man responsible for more deaths on American soil in one day than anyone else in history.

It has been 1394 days since George W. Bush said that Osama Bin Laden could run but he couldn’t hide, 1394 days since George W. Bush said that he would capture Osama Bin Laden, dead or alive, 1394 days since George W. Bush said he was going to “smoke out” Osama Bin Laden.

Unfortunately, it has also been 1183 days since George W. Bush said: “I just don’t think about him much; I truly am not that concerned about him”.

And that is what a neocon is.

By RW-(the original)

July 6, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this

Anyone looking for yet another reason that liberals can’t be trusted with anything as important as national security can look at the 10:54 post from “Wanker alert” above.

Anyone that thinks our military will safely tromp through the Hindu-Kush just because they are only looking for one man, is a complete fool. It’s almost idiotic enough to make you think it came from finch.

By getalife

July 6, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

This is what the GOP created:

“”North Korea Is Firing Missiles. Iran Is Going Nuclear. Somalia Is Controlled By Radical Islamists. Iraq Isn’t Getting Better, And Afghanistan Is Getting Worse”… “

National security, yeah right!

By This Is What The Pinkos Are

July 6, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

They’re usually the same people who think the murderer Tookie Williams should be canonized for writing kids’ books, who would have Mumia Abu-Jamal to their dinner party, and who are protesting an invasion of Iran before it’s even a twinkle in a general’s eye. They may be the ones who get giddy at news of the Haditha murder investigations or other blows to the U.S. military, who think Hugo Chavez is a misunderstood genius, or who called in sick to work and lay in bed depressed the day Karl Rove didn’t get indicted.-NationalReview

By RW-(the original)

July 6, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

getalife,

More effective missiles were fired in my neighborhood this week.

Now would you like to explain what makes you think that all these places were models of peace until January 20, 2001?

By This Is What The GOP Created, Eh?

July 6, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

First whining little complaint, blown to pieces:

North Korea Is Firing Missiles

Have a drink on you.

By getalife

July 6, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

Oh that’s right, Midori taught me yesterday it is all Clinton’s fault even though it is happening under W’s watch.

It is all fun and games until they reinstate the draft and the younger generation go to war.

By getalife

July 6, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

BTW, I sent an email question to Larry King to ask W:

Why the flip flop on OBL?

By Larry King Leave, I Mean Live!

July 6, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

When did Bush change his mind about OBL?

You hearing voices in your head too, getagrip?

By getalife

July 6, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

Hey, that is my line:

You hearing voices in your head

Plagiarist.

By Cindy

July 6, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

Gee, I never read the National Review before. And I hope to never again. What garbage. “Doing it a bit too brown.” Talk about unethical journalism. No, wait; can’t even call it journalism. It is just a bunch of one sided narrow minded opinion if the above quote is any indicator.

I can honestly say nothing in the “Pinko” description describes me. Actually, I don’t know anyone it describes and most of my friends are left of center; so it must describe the right side.

By RW-(the original)

July 6, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

Andy,

That was pretty cruel subjecting Cindy to the truth.

By The 'Management'

July 6, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

Mike has posted a new entry … if any of you are interested in moving on.

By Midori

July 6, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

I miss Monica

For once, It’s NOT Bill Clinton’s fault.

By Reality check

July 6, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

From deteriorating security in Afghanistan and Somalia to mayhem in the Middle East, confrontation with Iran and eroding relations with Russia, the White House suddenly sees crisis in every direction.

(North Korea! You forgot North Korea!)

“I am hard-pressed to think of any other moment in modern times where there have been so many challenges facing this country simultaneously,” said Richard N. Haass, a former senior Bush administration official who heads the Council on Foreign Relations. “The danger is that Mr. Bush will hand over a White House to a successor that will face a far messier world, with far fewer resources left to cope with it.”

It must be George’s Yale and Harvard education. You have to be really really smart to figure out so many ways to royally screw things up.

By al-Qaida = Muslim Neo-Cons

July 6, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

Marines gain control of Iraq hospital

RAMADI, Iraq - Hundreds of U.S. Marines stormed through dimly lit hallways of the largest hospital in western Iraq on Wednesday, taking control of a facility allegedly used by insurgents — and encountering a regional health infrastructure in serious decay.

Members of al-Qaida in Iraq had been using the Ramadi General Hospital, a seven-story building with some 250 beds, to treat their wounded and fire on U.S. troops in the area, the Marines said.

They said wounded Iraqi police officers who had been taken to the hospital were later found beheaded.

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By @@

July 6, 2006 02:14 PM | Link to this

I step away for a moment, and there’s a new cartoon. I know how you’re not supposed to thread two needles, but…

Cindy:

Gosh! All of my family members hate Bush. My friends are made up of about half and half. I’m a former liberal who has taken a position just right of center. The hubby might be called an extremist on the right.

I don’t persist in debating for points though. It can be harmful to the relationships and my mental well-being. There are extreme radical leftists out there. I’ve got friends who are. But my husband’s cousin, OMG, the woman (47) dresses like a throwback to the 60’s, and holds her fingers in a triangle over her meals while chanting something. “Save the planet, kill a bush” or something like that.

Afterall, only one person is allowed in the voting booth at a time. Who knows what they do when I’m not looking.

I guess they probably vote for the candidate of their choice for reasons which they feel strongly about. Simple, isn’t it?

I just saw a Huffington Post link on the previous thread for “Squirrels In The Attic”. “I Miss Monica”.

By gadem

July 6, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

RW how is the e-bay business going? You and disability check Andy are in rare dillusional form today.

By Sue Lynch

July 6, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

I was wondering when Mike Lukovich will do a cartoon showing some relationship or connection between the threat of bird flu and North Korean nukes (both flying from the same area and same direction) toward our Alaskan shores.