Mike Luckovich

By Timmy

June 23, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this

That is some non apology, Luckovich. Their is no excuse for that horrible cartoon you did yesterday, no matter how you spin it. Congratulations, you are now a poor man’s Ted Rall. Hope you feel that you have accomplished something. Now back to your wacko, anti-american cartoons.

By Timmy

June 23, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this

By the way, why did you change the name of the cartoon from “Pot meet Kettle” to “Book of Torture” yesterday? Hmmmm….

By getalife

June 23, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

Mike,

True, most people these days have a problem with reality and accountability. W admitted some mistakes including torture but did not say Iraq is a mistake. It is.

Hopefully, there will be a proposed peace plan and will withdraw as soon as possible. Then we will get to the accoutablity, probably if the Dems get the majority.

By Vatican Lectures

June 23, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

I wish that you, Mike Luckovich, would come up with a cartoon character that is the stereotyped, emblematic, poster child for a redstate, dittoheaded, W-speak lipsyncher and christian right reactionary.

You know the type that never quite gets the point of your cartoons. The ones that think it’s obscene that donald duck never appears with any pants. The kind that thinks God is an old man with a beard. The kind that thinks grocery stores should remove the stork from the Expectant Mothers Only signs because the kids get enough of that sex-ed stuff in the schools….etc.

By RW-(the original)

June 23, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

Mike,

That is complete BS. The Bush administration wasn’t in power back in 1993 when ours soldiers bodies were desecrated and dragged through the streets of Mogadishu.

Abu Ghraib wasn’t US policy and the people responsible for misdeeds were prosecuted. As the US military will be in any case like it.

People like you and the vast majority of the media have tried to redefine torture down to the point touching a Quran without a white glove is torture. You then draw cartoons and others write stories and broadcast reports saying we are torturing people. The fact that you are lying doesn’t seem to phase you in the least.

If you would spend a fraction of that time and effort reporting what is really done and dispelling the notions that any form of interrogation is torture, then it wouldn’t be a common belief that we do in fact torture as a policy.

You are the problem, not the Bush administration and you need to make a real apology instead of just putting your moral equivalency into words and using them to once again blame the Bush administration for your lack of class.

By Scott

June 23, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

Timmy,

If you want to denounce the Bush administration for torture, then you need to denounce every administration that has been in office during wartime. You seem to think that this administration is the first to have used torture of any kind. In fact it is nothing compared to some of the techniques the north used during the Civil War or some we used during WW II.

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 23, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

i doubt that the Iraqi people make such a distinction in their minds and that is very sad indeed.

Especially when we have wormy little American cartoonists drawing false images of our conduct for the world to see.

This is an explanation of why you felt this abomination would fly, so basically what you are saying is you fully stand behind it.

Hear that, class?

By Roman Berry

June 23, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

Mike, it seems that there are a lot of people who are absolutely determined to not “get it” when it comes to your toon. How anyone would think that your torture toon was aimed at our soldiers and not at the policies of the Bush admininstration is a mystery to me. I agree with you 100 percent that our greatest weapon, at least until the last few years, has been our moral authority.

I’m a veteran dating back to the days of the Soviet “evil empire” and the things that I always thought separated “us” from “them” were things like “they” spy on their citizens, “we” do not. “They” arrest or detain or disappear people and hold them without charge or trial, “we” do not. “They” torture, “we” do not. Or at least we didn’t.

I am going to disagree with one part of your comment and that is when you say “their brand of torture is lightyears beyond anything the u.s. has been accused of doing.” The fact is, there are confirmed reports that we have (with the tacit approval of the leaders of our government) engaged in techniques that have led directly to the death of detainees. One man was basically smothered in a sleeping bag. Another had his legs (according to the coroner) “beaten to a pulp” and was then left hanging by his arms and wrists until he died. Another was “water boarded” until his heart gave out. It seems to me that these techniques are, given the pain and panic and end result, perhaps just as cruel as any.

Keep up the good work. It makes some people think. For those who don’t? Don’t worry about them. Their minds are closed to anything which does not fit within their world view.

One last comment for the other commenters: As a veteran, I know that none of the things that have gone on repeatedly at Gitmo or in Iraq with detainees under US control have happened without at least the tacit approval of the commanders and the civilian leadership. I don’t blame the soldiers. I am sure that they thought they were doing what they had to do and in fact may have been ordered to do. The question you have to ask yourself is “What does torture do to the torturer?” Are you prepared for the end result when these men and women come home? Are you prepared for our country to become the very thing that we were raised to stand against?

Step back. Luckovich has a point. You may not agree with it, but you should at least think about it.

Roman Berry SMSgt USAF, ret.

By Roman Berry

June 23, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

Scott says “Abu Ghraib wasn’t US policy.”

Scott, I think you should do a bit of research. The commander at Abu Gharib brought those techniques directly from Gitmo. That’s a fact. It’s also a fact that your “not US policy” claim doesn’t hold up to an administration which has sought to revamp the US Army field manual on interrogation in order to remove sections pertaining to the protections afforded by the Geneva conventions and insert secret sections outlining allowable “harsh treatment.” It was not for no reason that the Bush administration resisted the McCain bill tooth and nail.

You think enlisted service members took it upon themselves to do these things while senior NCO’s and officers just stood around? You don’t know what you’re talking about. In a military facility, these sorts of things do not go on out in the open without everyone right up the chain of command being aware. That’s a fact.

Roman Berry SMSgt USAF, ret.

By Timmy

June 23, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

Scott, I hope you are joking. Where in my response am I denouncing the Bush administration or our military for torture. Please re-read and see that I am saying that Luckovich and his ilk are pathetic in their attempts to try and spin what yesterday’s cartoon was about. If Luckovich and the AJC are trying to cover their hide from posting a cartoon that associated the US and Al-Qaeda as torture brethren. They need to get a clue and you need to go back to reading comprehension class.

By getalife

June 23, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this

Mike,

See what I mean about accountabilty?

You are the problem, not the Bush administration

Like you run the country. LOL.

By Steve

June 23, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

You just couldn’t wait to spit on the bodies of our mutilated soldiers and draw some kind of moral equivalence with Abu Grab. Your disrespect in the name of an agenda is what I expect from an emotional caring liberal. Care for anyone agrees with your agenda of distain for our country and soldiers. Why don’t our get a bus with Fonda, Kerry, Murtha, Bin-laden and the rest of your buddies.

By Dee

June 23, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

Mike, I hope that this is not an apology because there is no need for one! We are (supposely) taking democracy to Iraq. What about maintaining democracy in the USA? A part of any democracy is a free press. The Bush regime and its supporters are attempting to crush free speech. In the words of Rep. Murtha, “all of our enemies are happy that we are in Iraq” because we are depleting our resouces: human and financially. I support the troops…..I want them home.

By Craig

June 23, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

Mike Luckovich,

If there is nothing wrong with your depiction, why did you change the title of the cartoon?

By Scooter

June 23, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this

ml, I agree torture is despicable but for you to paint the entire US Military as the culprit, when it is not policy, for all prisoners is just as despicable. The vast majority of those soldiers are over there fighting and dying for your right to scribble your d…d…d…d …drawings that apply a blanket labeling of ALL of them. Do you really expect that out of 150,000 troops a few aren’t going to get out of hand while in the fog of war?

As far as I’m concerned those Middle-Easterners you are so scared of offending should understand, certainly more than you d…d…d…d…d…do. War is hell and the terrorist are not even signatories to the Geneva Convention you hold so dear, heck they don’t even follow the rules of it. Personally I wouldn’t physically torture the sissies, but there are many creative things that can be done with p…p…p…p…pork to threaten their admittance into heaven.

You and this obviously biased media scare me more than the several times I have been shot at. Hey, do the editors want to run some more stories of CEO’s pay or celebrity’s home values to incite some class warfare?

By RW-(the original)

June 23, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Just like a vicious lib to deliberately change the meaning of my post. :-)

By Midori

June 23, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

Mike,

you are the coolest SOB on the planet.

Screw these whining jerks.

And for the life of me, I can’t understand what all the controversy is over the title of the toon. Who gives a ** about the title? The toon spoke for itself.

Typical right wing nit picking fools.

it appears they are trying to “Dan Rather” you with the title non controversy.

By getalife

June 23, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

RW,

Sorry, just supporting my post.

By One Armed Eagle

June 23, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

Mike,

Thanks for the cartoon. It did what all good art should- make people think, and call attention to issues! Keep up the great work, guy. You’re one in a million!

Thank God there are still citizens, like yourself, who speak for the enlisted men back home when they can’t speak for themselves. If I hadn’t had the same in my day, my tour of duty would have been pretty hopeless at times. True soldiers know the difference between genuine concern for their welfare and partisan political hacks trying to make a buck off their valor.

xxxxxxx Petty Officer-Second Class, USN, ‘69-‘73. (Purple Heart)

By NotbuyingAJCEVER

June 23, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

Mike, you are a coward. Draw a cartoon against Islam. Draw a pretty picture of Mohamed with his young wife. I won’t hold my breath. The very fact that you can draw this mind numbingly inane stuff shows you how safe you are as a citizen of the USA.

By P.J.Donahue

June 23, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

You are evil creature, turn-coat Mike Luckovich. May the devil take you and soon. P.J.Donahue, Mother-in-law of a Marine in Afghanistan. Dana Point, CA

By Pompano

June 23, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this

Mike can defend the cartoon until the cows come home - however it was a tasteless swipe at our military personnel & the job they are doing.

I also get a kick out of the Roman Berry’s of the world who cite made up “confirmed reports” of military misdeeds and “secret sections” in handbooks, etc.

It was a sick cartoon in light of the current events & indicates to me that Mike thinks these soldiers got what they deserved.

So why doesn’t Mike answer the question regarding the title change?

By New Subscriber

June 23, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

I’m new to ATL. Never bought your rag before because of Wooten and Krauthammer, just read it free at Mickey D’s. I’m headed to the subscription page to put my money where your mouth is. Good work.

By john hicks

June 23, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this

Your explanation for the cartoon is unacceptable and stupid. Why don’t you move to Al Quaeda headquaters and see what they are really like. It is a shame that 3000 innocents good citizens were killed on September 11th and scum like you are using the freedom in this country to express your idiotic opinions. I wish you were killed on 9/11 instead of innocent hardworking people.

By getalife

June 23, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this

Pompano,

I have seen the title change on other cartoons. Why do you ask this question about a title?

Here it is without a title:

By NotbuyingAJCEVER

June 23, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

Hey New Subscriber, Why not cut out the middle man (Al-Jazeera Constitution) and just send your money directly to Ayman al-Zawahiri?

By john hicks

June 23, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

Your explanation fot your cartoon is unacceptable and really stupid. Why don’t you move to Al Quadea headquaters where you obviously feel more at home. It is a shame that 3000 good people were killed on 9/11 and scum like you are still here.

By getalife

June 23, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

Nice hate john,

I bet you are a big fan of Ann Coulter.

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 23, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

Now the Atlanta Urinal has cut off commenting at the blog of the cartoon abomination which has been getting hammered all day long.

Too much negativity for ya?

By @@

June 23, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

That’s it??? So, in other words mike, it is beneath you to apologize. It is beneath you to admit wrong-doing.

I get great satisfaction out of knowing that Bush is above you in that he has publicly admitted that mistakes have been made in the War In Iraq.

I would say that you are beneath the contempt of our brave fighting men, but that would be insulting to them. There is no contempt in those so brave, who would risk their lives for your sorry a-ss.

mike, you are beneath it all. And yet you think you are so enlightened. Impossible.

By Jaws

June 23, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this

I always wondered what the “Petty” in your rank meant. Now we all know.

By RW-(the original)

June 23, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Why does the WaPo picture ml as Saddam?

Midori,

Are you trying to tell us that Mary Mapes swooped in and changed the title to ml’s despicable cartoon?

By New Subscriber

June 23, 2006 05:48 PM | Link to this

Mission accomplished, Mike. Now I can have breakfast at Chik-fil-a where they have real people food instead of rubberoid McBarfins. Thanks for saving me the indigestion.

By @@

June 23, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

Hey mikey, would you put these guys up at your place for awhile?

By Diana

June 23, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

Ok I don’t get it? I like the cartoon. To me it points out exactly what I have been telling Democratic friends since the beginning of this whole war. They do not follow the same rules we do. I was engaged to an Iraqi man when I was young and stupid, I know how they think. He had many radical friends that scared me. They do not think like us. We have to win this battle based on how they think, not on how we think. The things we believe. The same thing they do to our soldiers, they wouldn’t think twice of doing to any woman or child right here in the USA. If we don’t get them there, they will come here and do it. Anyone that thinks they won’t knows nothing about these men, and they live in a fantasy land. We are talking about men that can live in caves not for days, for years. That sleep on floors, with no furniture. That will eat on the ground after washing their feet and hands. That do not spend their money on luxuries. That have nothing better to do than to plot the killing of Americans. That know the meaning of the word “wait”, they wrote the definition. They will hide behind women and children because they know Americans do not want to see them killed. They will strap bombs on children, give them grenades to throw at Americans. Then celebrate their death because they have become martyrs. Have you ever seen an American celebrate the killing of a child? To murder their own child, then celebrate? We are so focused on who not to kill, that far too many that should not be killed are being killed. The majority want to live in peace. This same thing happened in Germany after World War 2 till the German people themselves stood up and said no more. Give our men the air support they need. Let the Iraqi government tell the people of Iraq, if you allow these men to hide in apartment buildings with women and children, we are sorry but our jets will blow them up. The people will say I am not allowing my family to die for you. Watch how quickly it stops. They are not going to want their children, their wives killed because some terrorist threatened them. Right now they think we are no stronger than they are to fight them, because we do not truly stand up to them. We cannot cuddle and coo these people. We need to help the Iraqi people to find their strength, we need to stand behind them so they are able to stand up to these men. We need to give our young men and women all the support they need. Their frustration will end, and so will the Iraqi people’s. They will know we are serious, and that we will not stop till they are gone. That is how we win this war, think like they, not like we.

By UnderwareonHead

June 23, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

Do you all have editors over there? This explanation is childish and unconvincing. How about you explain why you changed the title of the cartoon from “POT TO KETTLE” to “How to buy a Kitten” (or whatever other nonsensical title you inserted???????????? The phrase “pot to kettle” means the two things are EXACTLY THE SAME! Good thing your fans and admirers are too stupid to know that and will surely buy your explanation hook, line and stinker.

By Buy Danish

June 23, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this

M.L.

You have a hell of a lot of nerve talking about “moral authority”. You have none.

Why don’t you try explaining your remorseless moral relativity theory to the families of Kristian Menchaca and Thomas L. Tucker?

I don’t doubt that the depraved savages who dutifully defile human life find your cartoon most amusing. Maybe they’ll even show it to their next victims.

Will you take responsibility then, or continue to blame others? If you can blame their depravity on Abu Ghraib, then why not blame their depravity on your cartoon? Pot to Kettle and all that.

By NotbuyingAJCEVER

June 23, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this

Mike, how about you call the parents, wives and children of those boys who were brutalized, tortured and killed and tell them their loved ones were no better than their murderers?? Those brave young men were tortured (true torture, not lack of lamb for dinner or underwear on their heads) for no other reason than they were defending the rights of Iraqi people to be free of a Tyrant and choose their own destiny. If the US did or does torture people it is not random or for fun or kicks or to “get into paradise” it is to protect your sorry self. I will let you in on a secret most thinking people know, there is no moral equivalency between terrorists and men and women of the US military. ………………..The terrorist would kill you for sport and the US military men and women would die defending your right to defame them.

By getalife

June 23, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

RW,

I do not know but this guy has Clinton

By @@

June 23, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish:

mike doesn’t have a lot of nerve. He has no nerve. Otherwise he would have acknowledged, at the very least, his lapse in judgment and apologized.

But no, he reserves his judgment so that he can lob it at our military like a grenade.

He is definitely misdirected.

Right back-atcha ml.

By I think Craig's question bears repeating

June 23, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

If there is nothing wrong with your depiction, why did you change the title of the cartoon?

By Ben

June 23, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this

Beheading citizens occured daily under Saddam’s regime. That is the regime that is being abolished slowly. The world is a much safer place without people like Saddam, even if he didn’t have weapons of mass destruction. Mike, the propaganda in your cartoons only add fuel to the fire. Try drawing a pro-american cartoon every once in a while. Try being a little patriotic every now and then.

By RW-(the original)

June 23, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this

getalife,

That guy has a much better cartoon too.

ml It’s disgusting that the editorial page still shows whatever the name of the moment is for your daily scribbling and below it touts your Army Hospital visit. Were you actually there to see if you could pull a few plugs? Quit bragging about your visit to use the troops as your own personal photo op unless you want to permanently put “Pot to Kettle” right next to it.

By Buy Danish

June 23, 2006 06:40 PM | Link to this

Mike Luckovich,

Here are some slanderous words from one of your biggest fans!:

By Midori June 22, 2006 09:57 AM

There you have it, the cartoon says it all. According to the liberals, the United States is no better than Al Qaeda. Can it be made more plain to see? now you’re catching on, Moron

By Midori June 22, 2006 10:53 AM

Who is to say we haven’t done what the Jihadists have done? Who is to say we haven’t done WORSE than what they have done

@@,

The Left has political-correctness to give them “nerve”. They can hide behind it like a woman’s skirts and then tell the rest of us how WE don’t live up to THEIR standards of perfection.

That’s how they get to use slander and call it patriotic dissent.

By getalife

June 23, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

The lgf just posted Mike’s take so here comes the hate.

By One_American

June 23, 2006 06:45 PM | Link to this

PURE TREASON AND SEDITION, MIKE LUCKOVICH. YOU SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO AMERICA (A REAL APOLOGY) IMMEDIATELY, OR RESIGN IMMEDIATELY! YOU WILL BE MARKED FOR THE REST OF YOUR CAREER IF YOU DO NOT DO THIS NOW!

By G. Hogan

June 23, 2006 06:51 PM | Link to this

You can bet your cartoon will be shown throughout the mid east. Shame on you.

ghogan

By Catttt

June 23, 2006 06:51 PM | Link to this

Same old moral equivalence bull - and not the least bit original

http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2005/07/12/equivalence.php

By NotbuyingAJCEVER

June 23, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

Dear Getalife …Perhaps you should get a life. And maybe while you are at it you could learn a rebuttal other than commenting on your perception that the indignation and outrage of others is “Hate?” Like Luckovich is conducting a clinic on spreading the love?

By @@

June 23, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

Hey ml, if you have any testicular fortitude, you would leave this site open all weekend to receive comments.

Take it like a man ml. You deserve what’s coming your way. Incoommmmiiinng!

Duck & Cover. Cut & Run.

By finch

June 23, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

getalife

The lgf crowed had better get moving! Interesting how attempts to mobilize ml defenders at left wing sites have fallen flat. WOnder why??

ml’s ‘toon was way off base. By equating Abu Ghraib with the assembly line torture of Islamic radicals he lost the high ground.

The usual “if you didn’t understand me, I’m sorry” dance just doesn’t cut it.

By RW-(the original)

June 23, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

getalife,

How do you suppose they found out?

By Buy Danish

June 23, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

Editorial cartoons from Mike Luckovich. Comment Submission Error/Your comment submission failed for the following reasons:

Comments are not allowed on this entry.

I just got this message^^ when I attempted to post a reply to Mike O’Malley who NAILED M.L. through his own words at “Book on Torture” formerly entitled “Pot to Kettle”.

Maybe Mohammed himself has asked ML to close the commenting? When Islamists talk, Mike listens!

By Dusty

June 23, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

No getalife

That’s dissent not hate. Remember. We don’t like Luckovich”s excuse or his antiAmericanism. So there. Dissent is what you want and dissent is what you got for this treasonous junk. We don’t like it and we are saying so. Freedom of speech, ol’ buddy.

By getalife

June 23, 2006 07:07 PM | Link to this

Told ya.

Try again tomorrow lgf.

By Oh, my!

June 23, 2006 07:09 PM | Link to this

Frankly, it is hard to be shocked anymore. If one has no more moral compass other than his own internal sense of right and wrong, then how can anyone disagree?

Our “progressive” press is so elite and so above the restraints of common decency that they have annointed themselves with unfettered license to throw any thunderbolt that is self gratifying. They are addicted to gratuitous self-righteousness.

This cartoon will not rot the fish it is wrapped in, but it is still an unwarrented carbuncle to inflict upon the fish.

By Jeff

June 23, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this

Again, as I pointed out yesterday in a comment, we investigate and punish suspected instances of torture. Al-Qaida produces snuff films for mass consumption throughout the Islamic world. Lucko, can you not see the distinction?

You seem to believe that the US must fight the war on terror with one hand tied behind its back. Moreover, doesn’t your argument as to the loss of US crediblity fall apart when you consider OUR captured soldiers have been tortured (in violation of your precious GCs) in every major conflict since WWII?

People who hate us will always find an excuse to kill us. For instance, the 9-11 plot began years before President Bush took office, again, undercutting your cartoonish arugment that recent military actions are responsible for the loss of US credibility.

True, we must not become barbarous in our attempt to safeguard our nation, but neither must we delude ourselves into thinking that kindly asking terrorists for the details of their murderous plots will actually work.

By RW-(the original)

June 23, 2006 07:15 PM | Link to this

@@,

You had the right idea, but obviously Mike Luckovich is too yellow bellied to leave the comment section open.

Way to go scribbler, post your lame a-ss response and then hide out for the weekend.

OPEN THE COMMENT SECTION BACK UP, CHICKEN

letters@ajc.com is one method to express your opinion on this response. The AJC also has a public editor named Angela Tuck. I know that sounds like she would be our interface to the paper, but in this case she is just an apologist for them. In any case that address is atuck@ajc.com

By whoisevil

June 23, 2006 07:21 PM | Link to this

Mike,

You put much weight on US approved torture because others will misunderstand and gloss over the qualitative differences.

Yet, you don’t afford the same amount of concern over the fact that your cartoon will be misunderstood by many as further proof of America’s cold and imperialist motives.

By test

June 23, 2006 07:22 PM | Link to this

test

By @@

June 23, 2006 07:27 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

By getalife *June 23, 2006 07:07 PM | Link to this

Told ya.

All that was missing from your post was a “nana-nana-boo-boo”.

Go to your naughty mat young man!!!

By Suckers!

June 24, 2006 06:42 AM | Link to this

Your government is lying to you about the war on terrah and the Miami 7. Bush wants you to be scared REALLY REALLY scared so you forget about everything he’s totally screwed up. And you’re just lapping it up. Think about it. These guys could barely talk the talk. THEY HAD NO MONEY NO GUNS NOTHING!

Nothing in the four corners of the indictment convinces me that these guys were legitimate terrorist wannabes as opposed to a bunch of angry bozos looking lazily for al Qaeda to hook them up with all sorts of goodies.

Why the cynicism? Because I’ve been down this road before. I remember when the feds charged John Lindh with conspiracy to commit murder — even though he was sitting trapped in a filthy prison in Mazar-i-Sharif the middle of a war between the Taliban and the Northern Alliance when CIA agent Johnny Michael Spann was murdered by thugs. I remember when the feds tried to sell us on the notion that Moussaoui was the 20th hijacker long after they knew he wasn’t. I remember when the government told us that Yaser Esam Hamdi was so valuable as an intelligence asset and so dangerous as a terrorist that he had to be held incommunicado and without charges as an “enemy combatant” until the feds lost a round in court and promptly set him free.

Get it? This gang wasn’t Al Queda dangerous. They were 3 stooges dangerous. And you’re cheering this stupid propaganda like the gospel. You don’t deserve to be free.

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 24, 2006 07:26 AM | Link to this

Looking at the Saturday talk page and it’s vain attempt to shore up support for Luckovich, using arguments that don’t even apply and mixing the only 5 letters to the editor that approve of the cartoon among the thousands that condemn it, you can tell who the real children are in America just by watching their actions:

People were rightfully outraged about their murders and, in some instances, saw Luckovich’s cartoon as an outlet for their anger.

Anybody want to agree with that?

I’m honestly starting to wonder if this AJC is an group home for half wit uneducated America haters. None of them can type or spell, what does that say about a crew who’s whole purpose is to convey words to their readership? They are unable to comprehend the most simple things, that your basic average citizen of the United States knows the difference between the actions of Al Qaeda and our soldiers, and that putting us on the same footing is outrageous and disgusting.

It’s like an insane self mutilation, every day cutting and slashing at your very existence, at your own country, a sick flagellation of obsessive guilt over some make believe infractions.

Cut

White House becoming more secretive after leaks-Examiner

Remember George, when being interrogated by the enemy press, only give them name, rank and serial number.

Who can blame you?

Cut

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said yesterday that Democrats emerged from the Senate debate on U.S. troop withdrawals from Iraq “more united” than ever behind a conditional-exit strategy in the war that has divided her party.-Washington Times

Hey, all you DailyKoser’s and MoveOnites, did you hear that? We could be another ten years in Iraq under Hillary, hahahahahaha.

Hey, for the rest of you normal sane people, the democrats just came up with the same exact strategy that Bush has had for 3 years now, “Stay the course,” “They stand up, we stand down.”

Liberals are slow but they do eventually figure it out.

Cut

“It’s like the old joke lines: `How’s your wife? Compared to what?’ By comparison, Murtha and Kerry make Bush look good,” said Mr. Norquist.-Washington Times

Cut

I guess all you liberal “war heros” need an explanation of combat, seeing how the scope of your experience has been made up inside of your heads:

GIs’ week grim in Iraq

Wasn’t it just this week that the Iraqi government announced a crackdown on lawlessness in Baghdad and that US and Iraqi troops were “attacking” en masse? In another words a major combat operation?

I know that the AJC would never, never slant headlines, aka “Moonie Times” style, to placate the savage desire of their constituency for American failure, now would they?

The military also announced the deaths of five more U.S. troops in a particularly violent week for American forces that included the discovery of the brutalized bodies of two soldiers. Twelve U.S. service members have died or been found dead this week.

These are the things that happen in major combat operations, y’all. More troops die. 10 troops killed in a sweep of a large urban area may seem sweet to you maggots but let’s compare that to the democrats sweeping the Hue City in Vietnam and losing hundreds of troops.

Cut

Another slanted headline:

Officials defend financial inquiries Ken Herman - Cox Washington Bureau

It should say “Officials defend America from attacks by enemy press.”

Cut

A laugher headline:

Family, friends defend terror suspects Trenton Daniel, Nicole White, Andres Vigulucci - Knight Ridder Tribune

You reckon?

What saps you liberals are.

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Executive Order: Protecting the Property Rights of the American People

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and to strengthen the rights of the American people against the taking of their private property, it is hereby ordered as follows

This’ll work, how about one for marriage?

By Special Agent Suckers!

June 24, 2006 07:38 AM | Link to this

I see that General Seeker, aka finch among others, has now changed his name to “Suckers!”

No matter what name this maggot takes, the message is the same. You are stupid and “General Seeker” I mean “Special Agent Suckers!” knows everything and this time SeeBS is on his side.

Get it?

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 24, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Special Agent: I tend to agree with you about General Seeker but I think it needs to be taken a step further. The good General has lost his frigging mind, I believe he has taken too many battle field losses and “combat fatigue syndrome” has set in.

Just imagine for a moment, if in 1999, when “Our First Black President” was still in office and we were actually treating terrorism as a “law enforcement” action instead of just saying we were. And because we were able to open Whackzak Mouse’s laptop when he got busted at the border, we would have found out about the flight training schools before the 911 attacks.

Now if this had happened, which it didn’t because Bill Clinton was full of sh-it and an terrorist appeasing hoser, most normal people would have said to the FBI “good job.” But in the twisted logic of the pinko, so boldly on display in the General’s 6:42 edict, this would have been reason for the libs to flip out.

Can’t you just imagine: “We need pilots that only know how to fly after the plane’s in the air, what if the real pilot has a stroke?” Or maybe, “It’s their constitutional right to learn how to crash airplanes into skyscrapers, it isn’t like they did it or anything.”

Plus the sob stories, oh the sob stories: “Mohamed was always misunderstood, he would never hurt anyone, said Mrs. Atta.”

All of these liberals are insane. They’ve clustered themselves into these tight little group think sessions where no air or light is able to penetrate and they spend their days abusing themselves because of wrongs that they falsely perceive America to have done.

It’s freaking sick.

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 26, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this

It all comes down to Alberto Gonzales. The Attorney General should, forthwith, rescind the limitations on subpoenaing reporters’ testimony in the U.S. Attorney’s Manual and order the U.S. attorneys to use grand juries to call Risen, Lichtblau, Priest and the others to testify under oath. If they refuse to reveal their sources, they should be held in contempt and jailed until they do. When the leakers are discovered, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, regardless of who they are: Senators, staffers, CIA employees and all the rest. Expose them, shame them, and put them in jail where they belong. The duty is yours, General Gonzales. Why aren’t you doing it this very day?-AmericanSpectator

Amen.

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 26, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this

Why do they hate us? Why does the Times print stories that put America more at risk of attack? They say that these surveillance programs are subject to abuse, but give no reason to believe that this concern is anything but theoretical. We have a press that is at war with an administration, while our country is at war against merciless enemies. The Times is acting like an adolescent kicking the shins of its parents, hoping to make them hurt while confident of remaining safe under their roof. But how safe will we remain when our protection depends on the Times?-RealClearPolitics

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 26, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

On Wednesday, at our request, the director of national intelligence declassified six “key points” from a National Ground Intelligence Center (NGIC) report on the recovery of chemical munitions in Iraq. The summary was only a small snapshot of the entire report, but even so, it brings new information to the American people. “Since 2003,” the summary states, “Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent,” which remains “hazardous and potentially lethal.” So there are WMDs in Iraq, and they could kill Americans there or all over the world.-WallStreetJournal

Bush lied, eh?

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 26, 2006 08:05 AM | Link to this

Mr. Murtha has been sticking his foot in his mouth a lot lately. He accused Marines in Iraq of murdering civilians “in cold blood,” contradicted himself in the same breath by saying they had “overreacted,” and asserted that higher-ups covered up the purported crime without backing his statements up. He told a startled Tim Russert of NBC that U.S. troops withdrawn from Iraq could be “redeployed” to Okinawa, Japan, whence they could return “very quickly” to Baghdad—which is 4,899 miles away. And more than once he has offered these examples of presidential leadership: “In Beirut, President Reagan changed direction. In Somalia, President Clinton changed direction.”

“Mr. Murtha sounds less like a Marine colonel these days, and more like a male Cindy Sheehan,” writes Jack Kelly of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, which circulates in Mr. Murtha’s district.-WallStreetJournal

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 26, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this

ANTI-AMERICAN FILM TO BE FEATURED AT MUSLIM FILM FESTIVAL In San Francisco

Hey, they might need an anti American cartoonist?!

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 26, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this

The Kerry solution would be tantamount to abuse, and impossible to spin otherwise, which is why it won the support of only 12 of the chamber’s 44 Democrats, and was defeated by a lopsided 86 to 13 vote. Most Democrats clearly want to get as far away from Mr. Kerry’s plan as possible. When he said he was not under pressure from fellow Democrats to withdraw his resolution, Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut, standing behind Mr. Kerry on the Senate floor, raised his eyebrows and winked at reporters. But Mr. Dodd and many of the others who had the good sense to vote against the Kerry proposal nevertheless embraced an alternative scheme, introduced by Sens. Jack Reed and Carl Levin, that would have exhorted President Bush to abandon the Iraqis as soon as possible. The Reed-Levin resolution was defeated by a 60 to 39 vote, further embarrassing their party. The minority party is determined to learn the hard way that it’s impossible to spin “cut and run” as a strategy to defeat Islamofascism.-WashingtonTimes

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 26, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this

First, Karl Rove has lost weight, although he was never fat to start with. He’s amazingly fit and trim now. Rep. Murtha, who commented on Karl’s posterior as large, has obviously never met Karl. I have never heard him say one mean word about anyone on the other side. Not once. He is probably the most humble human in a position of high authority I have ever met.

Anyway, I left the evening just in a state of amazement about Karl. This is the assassin? This is the thug? Wow, do his critics not know him. But you know what? They wouldn’t stop hating him even if they did know him, because that’s who they are, no matter who he is.-AmericanSpectator

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 26, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this

NICOSIA (Reuters) - The six-year-old mascot for a British army battalion has been demoted in disgrace for acting the goat during a parade in full view of dignitaries. Billy Goat has been a mascot of the First Battalion, the Royal Welsh regiment, since he was six months old and had the official rank of lance-corporal before his frisky antics during a parade marking Queen Elizabeth’s official birthday earlier this month.

The army said he had been demoted to fusilier (private) as a result of his behavior. “The goat major had a hard time keeping him in line, he was bouncing around all over the place,” military spokesman Captain Crispian Coates told Reuters Saturday. Doubly embarrassing was Billy’s refusal to obey commands in front of diplomats and army top brass, Coates said. “This is his first overseas tour. He has certainly not made a good start for himself.”

The pinkos are distracting coalition troops and making them ineffective soldiers in the war against terror.

America hating traitors.

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 26, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Four pelicans suspected of being drunk on sea algae were being tested at a Southern California wildlife centre on Saturday after one of them crashed headlong into a car.

Three of the California brown pelicans were found wandering dazed in the streets of Laguna Beach after another pelican struck a vehicle’s windscreen on a nearby coast road.It suffered internal injuries and a long gash in its pouch and was undergoing toxicology tests.

Officials at the Wildlife Care Centre said the seabirds may have been under the influence of algae in the ocean that can produce domoic acid poisoning when eaten. The other pelicans were rounded up after assistant wildlife director Lisa Birkle warned the public to be on the lookout for birds acting “drunk,” disoriented or being in an unusual place. Shellfish tainted with domoic acid was thought to be the culprit behind a 1961 attack of seabirds on people and cars in the oceanside California town of Capitola that inspired Alfred Hitchcock’s horror movie “The Birds.”

Drunked up liberal gooney birds crash another car.

Pinko will probably get a free pass from Betty Ford.

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 26, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this

PROVIDENCE, R.I. - A former handyman has won more than $400,000 in a lawsuit over a penile implant that gave him a 10-year erection.

Charles “Chick” Lennon, 68, received the steel and plastic implant in 1996, about two years before Viagra went on the market. The Dura-II is designed to allow impotent men to position the p***s upward for sex, then lower it.

But Lennon could not position his p***s downward. He said he could no longer hug people, ride a bike, swim or wear bathing trunks because of the pain and embarrassment. He has become a recluse and is uncomfortable being around his grandchildren, his lawyer said. In 2004, a jury awarded him $750,000. A judge called that excessive and reduced it to $400,000. On Friday, the Rhode Island Supreme Court affirmed that award in a ruling that turned on a procedural matter.

Liberal activist judge reinterprets the law and pays off another pinko.

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 26, 2006 08:09 AM | Link to this

“The problem is this: we’ve committed huge amounts of resources on the state level in anticipation of that investment paying off in getting out the vote,” says another DNC staffer. “Dean has taken heat for spending so much money. Right now, that investment isn’t looking very good and no matter what anyone says, we’re nervous. Things were never as good as people were saying they were, and now the numbers are confirming that.”-AmericanSpectator

Could poor Rita Royals soon be out of a job!?

Say it isn’t so!

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 26, 2006 08:09 AM | Link to this

LINDENHURST, N.Y. - Police in a Long Island village nabbed an unusual suspect today — with a long tail, powerful jaws, sharp teeth and a family rap sheet that stretches back millions of years.

The alligator was sitting on a Lindenhurst man’s front lawn when he went out to get his paper this morning. At the sight of the homeowner, the gator ran to hide in the hedges.

Suffolk County police officers used a dog-catching noose to collar the animal. The homeowner helped police, grabbing the 3-foot-long gator by its tail and pulling it out of the hedges. Its mouth was then duct-taped shut. The alligator was taken to the BTJ’s Jungle Pets & Aquarium in West Islip for safekeeping, but authorities later removed it Saturday afternoon.

Dirty liberals are releasing gators in New York to support Gore’s global warming movie. They’re not fooling us.

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 26, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this

8:07, 8:08, 8:08 and 8:09 and anything after that are not the real Pot To Kettle, It’s some wamker like finch or getalife, So the real Pot To Kettle has signed off for the day.

Bye, Bye!

By Soldiers Before Profits

June 26, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

CIA officer claims US ignored warnings about WMD errors

WASHINGTON (AFP) - US administration officials chose to ignore a CIA officer’s warnings that an Iraqi defector’s claims of purported biological labs made by Iraq for germ warfare were unproven.

Sunday’s edition of The Washington Post quoted veteran CIA officer Tyler Drumheller who, it said, “recognized the source, an Iraqi defector suspected of being mentally unstable and a liar.

“The CIA officer took his pen,” he recounted in an interview, “and crossed out the whole paragraph” in a statement to be presented by then secretary of state Colin Powell to the United Nations.

“A few days later, the lines were back in the speech. Powell stood before the UN Security Council on February 5 (2003) and said: ‘We have first-hand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails.’”

Drumheller was stunned, the newspaper reported.

“We thought we had taken care of the problem,” it quoted the man who was the CIA’s European operations chief before retiring last year, as saying. “But I turn on the television and there it was, again.”

The newspaper said that although the US government had “acknowledged intelligence failures over Iraqi weapons claims that led to war”, new accounts by former insiders such as Drumheller shed light on “one of the most spectacular failures of all”.

This was, it added: “How US intelligence agencies were eagerly drawn in by reports about a troubled defector’s claims of secret germ factories in the Iraqi desert. The mobile labs were never found.”

Drumheller “described in extensive interviews repeated attempts to alert top CIA officials to problems with the defector, code-named Curveball, in the days before the Powell speech,” The Post said.

If Bush didn’t lie, he sure didn’t listen to the intel he was getting. Dumb or deceptive, say it ain’t so.

By Bob

June 26, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

If your comment that Al-Qaida’s form of torture is light years ahead of anyone else, why did your cartoon imply that they (Al-Qaida) needed to take lessons from the US? By showing America reading from a book developed by the US, you were as “mean spirited” as all of the cut and run politicians are today.

By The Same CIA That Leaks Like A Sieve?

June 26, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this

Are you libs talking about the two mobile germ labs that we found almost immediately after the war started?

Can’t you get over it?

You don’t deal with loss very well.

By The Same CIA That Leaks Like A Sieve?

June 26, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

Ooops:

By Soldiers Before Profits June 26, 2006 08:32 AM CIA officer claims US ignored warnings about WMD errors

Are you libs talking about the two mobile germ labs that we found almost immediately after the war started?

Can’t you get over it?

You don’t deal with loss very well.

By finch

June 26, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

Dear Dumb as a Pot,

You can’t imagine how humbled and grateful I feel that you attribute so many posts you don’t agree with to litte ol’ me. Even the scattershot ‘Bush Is a Liar’ shout is credited to this humble participant. And if somebody posts a disagreeable link?? Gotta be finch. Or maybe getalife. Hijacking the names of a known name hijacker?? The horror! The irony!!! Your wingnut paranoia knows no bounds! It’s really funny, in a sick sort of way.

I take great satisfaction in knowing that I’m helping you fry so many brain cells and waste so much of your time by doing absolutely nothing except watching you squirm.

Who’s that post from?? finch? Who’s that behind the curtain? That voice on your radio? Beware! Sputter!! Get angry!!!

heh.

By Think B-4 You Speak!

June 26, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this

It was a GREAT cartoon, ML! Poorly timed, but a good cartoon. Let the lunatics rant, for if they don’t, they will probably implode.

By Craig

June 26, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

Finch may have a point, those wanker posts this morning are too amusing to be anything that drone came up with.

By getalife

June 26, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

Pot,

I thought the meds were working but obviously they are not. I am not a wanker but we know you wank all the time.

I understand the people you support have let you down and lied to you over and over again. You are waking up to the reality of why you could be so gullible to believe these people.

There will be more people who come out and tell the truth so prepare yourself for some more let down. More meds will be needed for you to make it through the disappointment.

By Rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

June 26, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

This is the war you voted for, peckerwoods, and the enemy you picked, and the Chickenhawk-in-Chief you chose to lead you.

Soldiers get tortured and killed in a war, even a phony one. Welcome to reality, to the KKKool-Aid Crowd.

By Buy Danish

June 26, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

From Andy’s link to The Great Satan’ makes a comeback/Iranian public sympathy toward the U.S. has soured in a hurry.

The fact is, most people here, with images of prisoner abuse at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib fresh in their minds, would not trust the United States to conduct a responsible invasion

Well golly gee, why oh why is world opinion so anti-American these days? Could it have just a teeny weeny bit to do with the endless hand-wringing and deceit of the New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, and The Washington Post? The poisonous slanders of Jack Murtha and John Kerry? How about Al Jazeera Journal Constitution cartoonists masquerading as sensitive saints, like Mike Luckovich?

I hope that ML does not spank his children -even the slightest little pat on the butt, because using his tortured logic that would be no different from beating one’s child to a pulp before beheading them.

By It takes one to know one?

June 26, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

R-AAQ -

Who are you calling Al Qaeda? You’re spitting out their propaganda for them. Quite shabby, overused, and boring, but propaganda just the same.

By N-GA

June 26, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

If you really want to see the neo-cons and their sheeple cutting-and-running, just reinstitute the draft.

By You Sure Did Answer Quick

June 26, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

Were you here already?

By finch June 26, 2006 09:09 AM Dear Dumb as a Pot

Actually, what is really funny, is how you liberals devote your whole entire existence in trying to undermine my onslaught of truth.

You’re the one jacking my name, right?

I’m kicking your juvenile a-ss.

And it shows.

By getalife

June 26, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

BD,

There you go blaming the media like a good wittle wingnut.

Its the leadership!

By Robert

June 26, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

All I can say wow, you lead a sad, pathetic life. I know you have the 1st Amendment to back you up but does that mean you have use it? Maybe you should move to Iran and speak out about their government, yeah that would go real well for you…

By Rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

June 26, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

Interesting, Buy - do you - an American - subscribe to any of those papers you mentioned? Do you think the French, the Brits, the Danes, the Germans, the Iraqis, the Iranians, etc. read them? They are all a lot smarter than your average rednecks, but still…

Maybe anti-American opinion has something to do with all the innocent people we are killing all over the Middle East and the world, our pollution of the environment, our stumpbroke dumb Texass President, and our lousy soccer team?

By the way, I bet you spank your children, and they fear you. How nice. Bet that makes you feel like a big man.

By Soldiers Before Profits

June 26, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

N-GA: You can bet your sweet bippy that if the cons reinstitute the draft that it will be chock full of deferments for the Jr Cheneys, Roves, Gingrichs, DeLays, Frists, etc. They won’t mind it one bit cause their children will never be the ones drafted and they’ll keep right on beating those war drums as long as the children of the middle class are the ones doing the dying.

New recruitment age maximum was raised last week to 42 because recruiters could not meet recruiting goals. Pretty soon they’ll be canvasing the nursing homes for enlistees before they propose the middle class draft.

By Rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

June 26, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Rednecks spank their children to terrorize them. Effing animals.

By finch

June 26, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

Dear Suck,

Were you here already?

Quick is posting spam at 8:01am, just as soon as the boards open. Obsessive is using the back door to post spam after hours, when sane people have better things to do.

Posting a couple of lines on your pathetic paranoia at 9:10am is neither.

Onslaught of truth? Can’t you hear people laughing at you when they read that?

You are such a loser.

heh.

By just passing through

June 26, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

art forces thought… discussion… goodness, we really need both thought and discussion in this country. Maybe we need more art, too.

Good job Mike. I thought your cartoon was thought provoking and have come to realize that all those outraged by the toon read it differently than I did.. I saw an American taking notes on torture (which we aren’t supposed to do — hence the hood)and a lesson in fighting the bad guys with their own methods. It was interesting to me to see so many people who thought it was the US giving the lesson. perhaps they secretly feel guilty that our noble country, our prinicpled warriors have come this low point in a war of aggression….more food for thought.

By N-GA

June 26, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

Soldiers Before Profits…if this administration re-started the draft, the Republican Party would cease to exist…most troops would be back home (from Iraq)…the rest would go after OBL. The new administration would give veterans their benefits back (instead of a knife in the back). In 20 or 30 years the rest of the world might trust the USA again. In 75-100 years, we just might get a handle on the deficit and then start paying down the national debt. Perhaps religion will be taught in the churches and science in the schools. Just think of all the possibilities:)

By getalife

June 26, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

cons reinstitute the draft

A great idea!

Make it mandatory for the the GOP that said to “stay the course” and their families to go fight like they said they would in the air conditioned chambers.

By The Sad Truth

June 26, 2006 10:27 AM | Link to this

Mike: You point out a sad, tragic truth…we are becoming what we are fighting. Someday, the US military will start going through the ranks seeking volunteers to be suicide bombers.

By We'll be drafting any minute

June 26, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this

The House voted 402-2 to defeat the draft bill offered last year by Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y.

By Rednecks - America's Al Qaeda

June 26, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

These redneck punks make decent people puke - when are we going to go after them in this phony war on terror?

By getalife

June 26, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

Ha, Murtha voted for the draft. He should try it again and tell them to put up or shut up.

By General Seeker, Too Stupid To Understand

June 26, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

By finch June 26, 2006 10:21 AM Posting a couple of lines on your pathetic paranoia at 9:10am is neither.

I guess the liberals are having trouble comprehending this, just like everything else.

As soon as you jack my name, you have fully admitted for all to see that I am getting under your skin. That I am wearing your a-ss out. Why else would you even bother with me if I’m not a terrible worry, a big concern of yours?

When you post something I disagree with, I don’t throw a juvenile tantrum or go on a pinko crying jag, like you do, I counter your arguments with facts.

Your defeat at my hands couldn’t be any more obvious.

I win.

By Phil

June 26, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

I would much rather read the thought provoking articles that Andy links to than the rambling obsession finch has with him.

Then we have to listen to finch whine about someone posting after hours? Please, here’s an example of finch posting after hours.

By Buy Danish

June 26, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

Do you think the French, the Brits, the Danes, the Germans, the Iraqis, the Iranians, etc. read them?

The Real Redneck,

The only subscription that any of us need is to the internet.

BTW, I am my child’s mother, so I don’t feel at all “like a big man”, but keep up the poor psychic sleuthing and more foolish forays into the ridiculous.

As for lousy soccer teams, it is notable how poorly behaved the largely anti-American crowds are. Just like the angry losers right here in this country.

By Andy- I Whine, You Report

June 26, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

Phil=Andy

When there’s no one around to say anything good about Andy, which is 99.9999% of the time, he changes his name and praises himself. Truly a sad, sick individual.

By Buy Danish

June 26, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

By The Sad Truth /June 26, 2006 10:27 AM

Mike: You point out a sad, tragic truth…we are becoming what we are fighting. Someday, the US military will start going through the ranks seeking volunteers to be suicide bombers.

Now why would I possibly think that anti-American propaganda is rampant?

Andy,

Keep posting your interesting informative links.

finch,

Why are you so intent on trying to muzzle Andy? Why don’t you try re-directing some of your anger toward someone who deserves it - like the newspapers who put our lives at risk by “leaking” classified stories?

By Another Mike

June 26, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

We have veterans with the experience and moral authority to discuss detention of prisoners and torture. John McCain is the most prominent of these former prisoners.

When John McCain felt it necessary for congress to take action addressing the Geneva Convention and torture, the president should have paid attention. Instead, he signed the bill and an accompanying statement that he could ignore it at his choosing.

When he took that action, he undermined the bill, and destroyed his credibility. That action was much more important for world opinion than any editorial or cartoon might be.

By Andy- I Whine, You Report

June 26, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this

BD,

I feel sorry for you when that kid goes off to college in about 6 years and finds out what a crazy loon his mother is and realizes that all the ideology she pumped into him for years was complete BS. Better have your rationalization ready for when he learns more about the world than your twisted, extremist perspective will allow.

By Think B-4 You Speak!

June 26, 2006 11:03 AM | Link to this

Oh that’s rich. The newspaper is putting your life in danger. oh, do tell?!

By Larry

June 26, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

Thank you, Mike, for clarifying your message. Well said and so very true!

By A Moony Eyed Little Wanker, In Love

June 26, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

Since Andy never uses his name to post anymore, and everyone knows that, “Andy- I Whine, You Report” must be some wanker who’s totally obsessed with Andy’s greatness and power. You could damn near call it a love for him.

getalife? Could be, he seems like a little wienie that is having a hard time adjusting to adulthood. I mean really, laying around mommies house all day watching CNN and foaming from the mouth about Andy, ain’t it a perfect fit?

Or finch, General Seeker, the same little sissy that has to seek confirmation of his manhood from his wife, being that he’s not really sure of himself. Hence the seeker moniker, it’s for his confused personality, one of the several who just freak when they see Andy coming, he’s so devastating.

Poor little babies, cry for us now, come on, let it out.

By Who's Obsessed With Andy?

June 26, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

Doesn’t it crack you up to see a name jacker accusing someone of name jacking:

By Andy- I Whine, You Report June 26, 2006 10:57 AM Phil=Andy When there’s no one around to say anything good about Andy, which is 99.9999% of the time, he changes his name and praises himself. Truly a sad, sick individual.

Just like a liberal would.

Can these people think?

By Buy Danish

June 26, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

Another Mike,

You are forgetting about the torture that McCain and others suffered at the Hanoi Hilton when their hosts played John Kerry’s Genghis Khan speech for them all. So, please - save the sanctimony.

AIWUR,

My terrific kid watches enough of South Park to know what a bunch of fools you Leftists are. He knows all about ManBearPig, Hippie Colonies, and virtually every aspect of moonbattery.

He is also well-informed about American History and current events, can easily find Iraq and Afghanistan on a map, and is canny enough to giggle when satirists like Rush and Coulter make fools of you losers.

I hate to break it to you, but he is very wise, and will not be brainwashed by the ProFFessors. I know, it’s so depressing.

ThinkB4uSreech,

You may want to take some of your own advice. It’s not as if it hasn’t been all over the news for months now about the harm done to our National Security the Pulitzer Patriots Risen, Priest and others.

freaking idiot

By Think B-4 You Speak!

June 26, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

Buy a Clue - So you are telling me that a few stories about “classified” programs have led to deaths of American citizens? I like to think I’m pretty informed and up on current events, but I can’t recall anything on the news about people dying because of a couple of news stories.

Help this freaking idiot out by pointing me in the direction of some of that “news!”

By Andrew McCarthy, National Review

June 26, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Well, here’s something truly interesting: There are people in the U.S. intelligence community who are revealing the nation’s most precious secrets.

Public officials whose violation of a solemn oath to protect national defense information is both a profound offense against honor and a serious crime.

What about the public interest in that? What about the public interest in rooting out those who betray their country in wartime?

Hang a couple of these libs by their scrawny necks and see if it don’t stop.

By Mario Loyola, National Review

June 26, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

And now, with the Iraq war, the Democrats are at it again. Their comparison of Iraq to Vietnam is, to say the least, a stretch. The insurgency in Iraq has failed to achieve a national geographic scope; it has no foreign countries supporting it; it has no political program that anyone can understand; and it does not even have the scant military effectiveness of the Viet Cong. But there is one striking parallel with Vietnam: The Democratic party is once again mired in a race-to-the-bottom debate about how best to make America surrender.

It’s the one idea that they’ve come up with in the last 50 years and, dammit, they’re sticking to it.

By Pot To Kettle (I'll Change It Later)

June 26, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

I just love to see Suck whine about being jacked. Next, he writes a letter to the moderator (his substitute Mama) and puffs up to try and stop me. Too bad, rolling IPs. It’s harmless entertainment for everyone and it keeps the little monkeyshine busy, and occupied. The whiner is the only one here that I can ever get a rise out of, dependable as gravity. It’s kind of like those carney games where you shoot the clown in the mouth with the water gun in order to see his head turn red,swell, and burst. Cheap entertainment but hilarious, har, har, har. We need some short fuse liberals on here to double the fun, this bunch of pinkos never takes the bait when it’s their turn.

I am mighty, hear me roar…….meow.

By Buy Danish

June 26, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

Andy,

That 10:57 was hilarious, wasn’t it!

finch,

Paranoia implies an irrational fear that people are out to get you. Andy is not paranoid.

By Look, General Seeker

June 26, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

Everybody knows you are obsessed with me, finch, you want me to call for a show of hands?

By Pot To Kettle (I’ll Change It Later)June 26, 2006 11:51 AM I just love to see Suck whine about being jacked.

Who’s the only one that calls me “Suck?”

Look, let’s move beyond the fact that this is really weird and focus on some cold hard facts, don’t you think you should grow up?

How old are you? You are stalking some guy on an internet blog because he is ideologically kicking your a-ss.

Isn’t there like a psychiatric term for this?

I know I’m rubbing your face in it, but really. Suck it up and try to do better next time.

Loser.

By SSDD

June 26, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

Pathetic. A search from a thesaurus lists the following words as synonyms: heartbreaking, heartrending, miserable, piteous, pitiable, pitiful, poor, rueful, sorry, wretched, dismal, weak, useless, and feeble. The antonym given: Strong.

I have never in my life witnessed such pathetic excuses for “patriots” as I have found here. Why don’t we look over a few “examples”, shall we?

By RW-(the original) June 23, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this Mike, People like you and the vast majority of the media have tried to redefine torture down to the point touching a Quran without a white glove is torture. You then draw cartoons and others write stories and broadcast reports saying we are torturing people. The fact that you are lying doesn’t seem to phase you in the least. If you would spend a fraction of that time and effort reporting what is really done and dispelling the notions that any form of interrogation is torture, then it wouldn’t be a common belief that we do in fact torture as a policy. You are the problem, not the Bush administration and you need to make a real apology instead of just putting your moral equivalency into words and using them to once again blame the Bush administration for your lack of class.

So, Mike’s the problem, hmm? “touching a Quran without a white glove is torture”, yes, that’s EXACTLY the exact type of “torture” Mike was referring to… EXACTLY. “You are the problem, not the Bush administration”… REALLY rw? The administration that bottomed out, THUS FAR, at 29% isn’t what is WRONG with the AMERICA of 2006??? It’s a political cartoonist that is CALLING IT LIKE HE SEES IT, is “the problem”???

Another GEM: By Steve June 23, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this You just couldn’t wait to spit on the bodies of our mutilated soldiers and draw some kind of moral equivalence with Abu Grab. Your disrespect in the name of an agenda is what I expect from an emotional caring liberal. Care for anyone agrees with your agenda of distain for our country and soldiers. Why don’t our get a bus with Fonda, Kerry, Murtha, Bin-laden and the rest of your buddies.

So those that detract from the “republican way” should leave the USA…. VERY AMERICAN of you. BTW, England called. They’d like their line back.

Will wonders never cease? By Ben June 23, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this Beheading citizens occured daily under Saddam’s regime. That is the regime that is being abolished slowly. The world is a much safer place without people like Saddam, even if he didn’t have weapons of mass destruction. Mike, the propaganda in your cartoons only add fuel to the fire. Try drawing a pro-american cartoon every once in a while. Try being a little patriotic every now and then.

OH. I get it. “Rah, Rah… I love Bush… and Faux News (the state-run “news” channel)… Rah RAH!” (crickets are a’ chirpin NOW!)

So, “pro-American” equals WHAT precisely? Fill me in here. I thought being “pro-American” meant to believe in AMERICAN values. Not right-wing, pseudo-religious “do as I say not as I do” pure B.S.

Could be wrong, but I think it means be able and having the RIGHT to oppose what one sees as a “wrong”… maybe I should re-read my constitutional rights… Any more ya’ll would like to take a big sh^t on today? HMM?

And heeeeeeere’s Dusty! :] YAY! I <3 her! (squeek)

By Dusty June 23, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this No getalife That’s dissent not hate. Remember. We don’t like Luckovich’s excuse or his antiAmericanism. So there. Dissent is what you want and dissent is what you got for this treasonous junk. We don’t like it and we are saying so. Freedom of speech, ol’ buddy.

OK, so if we have DISSENT for the current administration, then we are… UNamerican? Right? Dusty ol’ girl?

“We don’t like it and we are saying so.” How verbose of you. GUESS WHAT?! We don’t like this B.S. war or the fact that we’re there cuz ol’ “Daddy to W” was the target of a hit, and ESPECIALLY cuz this is all RETRIBUTION! I’m going to go ahead and call B.S. and say I think its crap we’re there at all. I think our soldiers should come home! I think the cluster-f^ck this administration has us MIRED in will NEVER end and if you and yours are so RIGHTEOUSLY convinced we need to be at war, then why not take on Iran and N. Korea. 2 very stable and well prepared governments… OF TOTAL PSYCHOS. Why dont we head to their countries and lay down the law for them as well? Seems EQUALLY rational, doesn’t it?!

And to whomever said to reinstate the draft: BRILLIANT. But make sure you start with the “stay the course” junkies and their OFFSPRING first. I find it such B.S. that you have the MARBLES to say “we CAN’T leave Iraq!!!” and won’t lift one GD finger to help out “your boys in uniform”.

PATHETIC.

Wait! This nugget just arrived!

By A Moony Eyed Little Wanker, In Love June 26, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this Since Andy never uses his name to post anymore, and everyone knows that, “Andy- I Whine, You Report” must be some wanker who’s totally obsessed with Andy’s greatness and power. You could damn near call it a love for him. getalife? Could be, he seems like a little wienie that is having a hard time adjusting to adulthood. I mean really, laying around mommies house all day watching CNN and foaming from the mouth about Andy, ain’t it a perfect fit? Or finch, General Seeker, the same little sissy that has to seek confirmation of his manhood from his wife, being that he’s not really sure of himself. Hence the seeker moniker, it’s for his confused personality, one of the several who just freak when they see Andy coming, he’s so devastating. Poor little babies, cry for us now, come on, let it out.

Thx Andy. The language of the republican party gets better and better as the days go by.

Crybabies, wankers, hippie, Murtha-lover, fonda-lover, pinko, ETC ETC

BUT WAIT! My favorite part will be below… It’ll look EXACTLY like this:

“Your ‘rant’ was too long to read PINKO”

Its OK if you cant handle the truth. We know. We all see it in your MULTIPLE posts everyday. If you don’t have the ability to formulate your own thoughts, you won’t have the ability to get thru an entire post written by someone educated and far more erudite than you will ever be.

Just C&P the same B.S. you do every other day. We all skip it anyways.

By finch

June 26, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

Ninny, ninny, boo, boo.

By finch

June 26, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

Why are you so intent on trying to muzzle Andy?

I don’t even try any more. I just laugh at him and his paranoia. Let him post under as many names as he wants. It just makes him look sillier.

Why should I be mad at the NYTimes (and the WSJ) about ‘exposing’ the government’s money tracking, quite possibly the US’s worst kept secret?

The DOJ has been doing it for years (see drug kingpins). The smart terrorists have known this all along. The dumb ones don’t read and are still clueless.

To see the wingnuts rant like someone spilled the beans on “The Manhattan Project” is a wonder to behold.

And it’s drop-dead hilarious watching the wingnuts shift their rage today to a subject even less important; the flag burning ban amendment.

Seriously. We’re neck deep in Iraq. North Korea’s rattling a nuclear sabre. Iran’s doing the same. There’s illegal immigration, outsourcing, a shrinking middle class, uninsured medical costs…

And you idiots are frothing about flag burning? The only people burning flags in recent years have been drunks and teenage troublemakers. Their acts are covered quite nicely by laws against drunkenness and vandalism.

But heaven forbid the wingnuts be distracted by REAL problems!!

Psst! Andy?? Over here! No, no! Over here. Whoohoo! Wait!! Over here!!

heh.

By Who's Obsessed With Andy?

June 26, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Thx Andy. If you don’t have the ability to formulate your own thoughts,

Check this out:

By SSDD June 26, 2006 12:11 PM Pathetic. A search from a thesaurus lists the following words as synonyms:

What a real liberal.

By SSDD

June 26, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

By Who’s Obsessed With Andy? June 26, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this Thx Andy. If you don’t have the ability to formulate your own thoughts, Check this out:By SSDD June 26, 2006 12:11 PM Pathetic. A search from a thesaurus lists the following words as synonyms: What a real liberal.

thats the BEST you’ve got?!?!?

OMFG.

My case is ALWAYS made FOR me by you people!

By I'm Glad This Whackjob Doesn't Know Where I Live

June 26, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

O.K. so I drove him insane:

By finch June 26, 2006 12:17 PM Psst! Andy?? Over here! No, no! Over here. Whoohoo! Wait!! Over here!!

Really, man, take a breather. Think soothing thoughts.

I don’t want to cause any permanent harm, I’ll ease up on you.

(Does anyone know where he lives, to go check on him? Should we call 911?)

By Vatican Lectures

June 26, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

The never bashful Tony Snow’s white lies about the Chicago Seven dwarfs all previous spindoc’s lies concerning the witchhunt for sleepycelled domestic terrorists who may attack the big apple next.

CUT ONE

The Iraqi Parliament just passed a resolution calling for amnesty for all of the USA’s Illegal Immigrants and a timetable for the withdrawal of US troops from the Rio Grande and New Orleans.

CUT ONE

The Iraqi Parliament wants a timetable for US troop withdrawals and an amnesty for the insurgency. that sounds like the liberals in our country who are traitors and the real enemy. The Iraqi war is about fighting an enemy that was once our allies, but who now are our enemy. So if the Iraqi Parliament wont let us stay the course, then we may have to ally with the insurgency, and fight the Parliament, until we can switch back and fight the enemy who was once our ally but now is the enemy against the ally who was once our enemy but is now our allies, so we can properly stay the course in Iraq. I hope that’s clear.

I hope that’s clear.

Cut one

By Heather Mac Donald, National Review

June 26, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

The procedure for obtaining that information could not be more solicitous of privacy and the rule of law: Agents are only allowed to seek information based on intelligence tying specific individuals to al Qaeda; they must document the intelligence behind every search request and maintain an electronic record of every search; and, in an inspired civil liberties innovation that would undoubtedly garner kudos from the Times had a Democratic administration devised it, a board of independent auditors from banks reviews the subpoena requests to make sure that only terror suspects’ transactions are traced. Any use of the data for criminal investigations into drug trafficking, say, or tax fraud is banned. The administration briefed congressional leaders and the 9/11 Commission about the system.

By finch

June 26, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

…want me to call for a show of hands?

Better call in DieBold to tally the vote!

Andy darling, I stopped complaining about your aliases and namejacking a while ago. I think I’ll stop harping about the anti-American ‘Moonie Times’, too! No sense belaboring the obvious. Meahwhile, there are so many posts you blame on me daily that aren’t mine, I’ve concluded that it’s you, not me, that’s truly obsessed.

Wheee! It’s me!! Over here! ZAP! Now I’m here! Now I’m in 3 places at once! You can’t get away! Quick! Your meds!

Time for lunch.

heh

By That Was All You're Worth SSDD

June 26, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

By SSDD June 26, 2006 12:28 PM *By Who’s Obsessed With Andy? June 26, 2006 12:25 PM thats the BEST you’ve got?!?!?

I know you got all warm for your 1000 word essay but it made my eyelids droop.

Yawn.

By Patriot Act Irony

June 26, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

ALERT! ALERT!

making terrorist threats against the american bloggers on this board during a time of war is a felony

many of the threats of physical violence by the conservative bloggers against the liberal bloggers are blatant, and accompanied by the commenter’s e-mail address, which is another display of redstate intelligence

One call to the FBI could result in dozens of arrests if the FBI would enforce the laws enacted post 911.

But blog away, by all means.

By SSDD

June 26, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

By That Was All You’re Worth SSDD June 26, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this By SSDD June 26, 2006 12:28 PM *By Who’s Obsessed With Andy? June 26, 2006 12:25 PM thats the BEST you’ve got?!?!?I know you got all warm for your 1000 word essay but it made my eyelids droop. Yawn.

Hate to burst your bubble. My “essay” was only about 600 words. I C&P’d other parts… NOT MY OWN… much like a PAGE out of YOUR BOOKS. HMMM…

Can you contemplate the paradox there?

By Patriot Act Irony

June 26, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

morons

By RW-(the original)

June 26, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

STDS,

One day would you mind dropping in something about what your point is? I know you can’t get enough of our words, but would it kill you to pretend you had a thought of your own? You can go over to kos and copy something, we won’t tell.

On the post of mine you are so fond of, you have confused the meaning of “problem”, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. It says right in ml’s lame a-ss excuse that you lack the critical thinking skills to understand even the simplest of concepts.

By BandAid Kerry

June 26, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

“A-w-w. This was starting to be fun Professor. Can we try it just one more time? Maybe set the machine to just a few days ago? Look Prof. There’s Kerry sulking on the Senate floor because only 6 of his fellow senators voted “aye” for his end-of-year troop withdrawal proposal. But I’m confused. I thought he said at our last stop that he was against cutting and running? But wait, now he’s talking with that fellow from Wisconsin, Senator Russ Feingold. Don’t they make a pair?”-HumanEvents

finch is Obsessed with Andy, awwhhh.

By w00t

June 26, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

THE POINT IS, you neo-cons are a bunch of whiney LOSERS. You guys cannot stand the fact that you’re party and everything it supposedly stands for is going down IN FLAMES.

Your posts show your desperate last attempts to hang onto a desperate party.

By Andy- I Whine, You Report

June 26, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

So Danish, if colleges are so liberal and the knowledge gained there so meaningless, why even send him? He can go to Iraq and fight for some ambiguous cause that you’ve brainwashed him to believe in (we’ll still be there then if conservatives have their way). Or he can just go without a college education and get himself a high-paying cush job, right? Forget all that “liberal” information that they learn in college; it’s useless, right?

By Ruined By A Pinko

June 26, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

If your goal is to help the poor, then why not make them less poor while doing what you do best. What job training program could a charity provide that would be better than … a job? Especially a real, meaningful job from which the holder could be fired, or receive a merit bonus, or be exposed to dozens of successful people actually engaged in the act of being successful?

Our country is full of people that have been ruined by charity — the mandated charity of government welfare. Why not use the means of capitalism to pull these apathetic dependent poor into self-sufficiency? All you could lose is your wealth, which seems to be the goal, after all.-HumanEvents

Finch in love with another man, Andy, it’s sweet but sick.

By SSDD

June 26, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

ooooooooh. RDubya. I get it now!!!

I am so glad you managed to clear all that up. Phew! Everything you said is just puce-brown clear NOW. Excellent.

Wait… then what WAS your point? Besides the one at the top of your head?

Here are mine… AGAIN. Try to utilize them neurons and keep up!

So, “pro-American” equals WHAT precisely? Fill me in here. I thought being “pro-American” meant to believe in AMERICAN values. Not right-wing, pseudo-religious “do as I say not as I do” pure B.S. Could be wrong, but I think it means be able and having the RIGHT to oppose what one sees as a “wrong”… maybe I should re-read my constitutional rights… Any more ya’ll would like to take a big sh^t on today? HMM?

Right-wingers = B.S. slingers and adhere to the mantra “do as I say not as I do”.

Clear enough for ya?

so if we have DISSENT for the current administration, then we are… UNamerican? Right? Dusty ol’ girl? “We don’t like it and we are saying so.” How verbose of you. GUESS WHAT?! We don’t like this B.S. war or the fact that we’re there cuz ol’ “Daddy to W” was the target of a hit, and ESPECIALLY cuz this is all RETRIBUTION!

Dissent is the right of every American, not just that of the right-wing repugnicans.

Try to keep up here RDubya!

And to whomever said to reinstate the draft: BRILLIANT. But make sure you start with the “stay the course” junkies and their OFFSPRING first. I find it such B.S. that you have the MARBLES to say “we CAN’T leave Iraq!!!” and won’t lift one GD finger to help out “your boys in uniform”.

Reinstate the draft and the repugnican spewers of the right-wing dynasty are first in line!

And:

Its OK if you cant handle the truth. We know. We all see it in your MULTIPLE posts everyday. If you don’t have the ability to formulate your own thoughts, you won’t have the ability to get thru an entire post written by someone educated and far more erudite than you will ever be. Just C&P the same B.S. you do every other day. We all skip it anyways.

Right-wingers of the highest influence have NO ideas of their own and NO ability to compute any other thoughts that negate their talking points for the day.

Miss anything RDubya? Or did you manage to catch all that?

So what is YOUR point now RDubya? Do you have one? Did you get your copy of “Talking-Point Right Winger Times” in yet today?

By RW-(the original)

June 26, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

wOOt,

I’m a little concerned about your Democrats and you know I’m always willing to help. I received this letter from Rita Royals at the behest of Crazy Howie. Since it seems to be mostly droll and tired talking points I have added links to illustrate their meaning.

I could have helped them more by rewriting their letter, but that just wouldn’t be right.

Good luck with that “Repubs are going down in flames” routine! It always works so well for you.

By Ummm, I'd Check Who Won The Last Election

June 26, 2006 01:12 PM | Link to this

By w00t June 26, 2006 01:03 PM THE POINT IS, you neo-cons are a bunch of whiney LOSERS. You guys cannot stand the fact that you’re party and everything it supposedly stands for is going down IN FLAMES.

I know what the problem is, why these wanker liberals are especially agitated today, it’s getting close to the 4th of July.

Nothing upsets these animals more than a “hubristic” display of patriotic pride, they hate America and anything that makes it look good.

These self abusers would rather sit and home and sulk, lashing out in anger at their own country, flagellating themselves in spite. It’s how they have fun.

My stalker finch.

By Andy- I Whine, You Report

June 26, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

I’m going to lunch. Hehe.

That’ll fool them, wheeeeee!!

Look, I’m over here, shhoosee, I’m here, now I’m there!

Git em git em ooohhh!

Lunch, wheee!

By w00t

June 26, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

Oh, did I say DESPERATE?

By RW-(the original)

June 26, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

STDS,

Actually I was just pointing out that “problem” in my original post was the media created perception of the US as torturers, but thanks for the colorful font riddled rant.

By w00t

June 26, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

Actually I was just pointing out that “problem” in my original post was the media created perception of the US as torturers, but thanks for the colorful font riddled rant.

uh, isn’t torture, “torture” no matter what, or are there grey areas?

Definition: Torture is any act by which severe pain, whether physical or psychological, is intentionally inflicted on a person as a means of intimidation, a deterrent, revenge, a punishment, or as a method for the extraction of information or confessions (i.e. “third-degree methods” of interrogation).

By w00t

June 26, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

Ok, I really want to give you guys a chance. I want you guys to really show me something that the Bush administration has done that have been good for all of the United States. However, the rules are: It cannot be related to 9-11, the war on terrorism, Iraq, Afghanistan, al-queda, or the Taliban. I said ‘good for the U.S.’ not the Bush ‘war machine’, but the American people. The people everyday that lose their jobs to out-sourcing or lose their CHILD to this war.

By Quick Response

June 26, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

By RW-(the original) June 26, 2006 01:23 PM STDS,

By w00t June 26, 2006 01:28 PM Actually I was just pointing out that “problem”

So employees of the AJC are posting to the blog, nice.

If RW posts at 1:23 it usually takes several minutes for it just to appear, unless, of course, you’re monitoring the blog.

By SSDD

June 26, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

Me: MAKE A POINT!!!11

RDubya: thanks for the colorful font riddled rant. (Drooooooooooooool)

You can’t argue much longer with logic and such thought inducing analysis like THAT, eh folks?

By RW-(the original)

June 26, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

Andy, I think you’re right about the pending celebration of the birth of our country setting off these nutjobs in here. It’s beginning to look a lot like the week before Christmas.

wOOt,

Yes torture is torture, interrogation is interrogation, imprisonment is imprisonment and on and on and on…..Do you agree with ml that the United States military is nothing more than a large gang of sadistic torturers?

By Buy Danish

June 26, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

The DOJ has been doing it for years (see drug kingpins). The smart terrorists have known this all along. The dumb ones don’t read and are still clueless.

finch,

So that guy who planned the Bali bombing, who we caught by using the classified intelligence that the Times just broadcast to the world, was just a dumb terrorist I guess.

Damned if I can tell what difference it makes. Perhaps you could explain your dumb terrorist theory to the victims of all the people who died a horrible death in Bali.

By w00t

June 26, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Yes torture is torture, interrogation is interrogation, imprisonment is imprisonment and on and on and on…..Do you agree with ml that the United States military is nothing more than a large gang of sadistic torturers?

Where does it say or implied that it was directed at our military? I for one think it was directed at the current administration that sets the POLICY on things such torture no matter what the “level” is. So, NO, I do not believe that our United States military is nothing more than a large gang of sadistic torturers. Why don’t you ask Bush, Cheney, or Rumsfeld?

By No Difference My A*ss

June 26, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

WooT,

Uh, here’s the Put your money where your mouth is challenge. Imagine that you are in a situation, possibly kidnapped by Al Qaeda, and you get to choose your torture.

Which will you pick:?

1) Panties on your head, with possible damage to your weak sexual identity and self-esteem.

2) A Paper bag over your head which could make you resemble audience members at a sporting event.

3) A dog barking and growling in your face.

4) Having your eyes gouged out and genitals cut off before you are beheaded, with your former sexual organs stuffed in your dead mouth.

Choose or lose! Vote or Die!

By RW-(the original)

June 26, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

wOOt,

Why do moonbats always direct you to the object of their scorn?

Once the title was changed from “Pot to Kettle” to “Bambi takes her first step”, the cartoon could mean anything. Are you ever worried about how easily led around you are? It’s people like you that make people like finch think he knows everything.

By D'UH

June 26, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

No Difference,

Uh, D’uh, I choose…….#4!! Four is my lucky number!

Torture is torture - my liberal proFFessors told me so. There’s no difference between 1), 2), 3), or 4), so Bring it on!

Bush Sucks and so does Wal-Mart!

By w00t

June 26, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

Once the title was changed from “Pot to Kettle” to “Bambi takes her first step”, the cartoon could mean anything. Are you ever worried about how easily led around you are? It’s people like you that make people like finch think he knows everything.*

WHERE, does it say it was the MILITARY? Oh, I forgot, what a neo-con THINKS must be right. Explain to me how you come to the conclusion it was a comparison to the military?

By SSDD

June 26, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this

By RW-(the original) June 26, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this wOOt,Why do moonbats always direct you to the object of their scorn? Once the title was changed from “Pot to Kettle” to “Bambi takes her first step”, the cartoon could mean anything. Are you ever worried about how easily led around you are? It’s people like you that make people like finch think he knows everything.

I dunno about you w00t but all I see is “droooooooooooooool”.

Hey RDubya: You bring something worth reading to the table, people might begin to take you seriou—- NAAAAAH.

By Buy Danish

June 26, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

RW,

Mark Steyn is about to be interviewed on Rush (by today’s stand in)….

By w00t

June 26, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this

Torture is torture - my liberal proFFessors told me so. There’s no difference between 1), 2), 3), or 4), so Bring it on!

Guess everyone should stop going to college then. Which is a good idea, then people wont think for themselves. Great for the Repubes that feel the need to control everyones lives. THEN NO ONE WILL STAND IN OUR WAY!!!1 BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!(Dr. Evil laugh)

By Think B-4 You Speak!

June 26, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

W00t - What’s the point, really? No matter how many times you tell these clowns he wasn’t talking about the military, they are still gonna spaz and whine like they really give a shi*t.

By getalife

June 26, 2006 02:15 PM | Link to this

BD,

Where is Rush?

Did he fail his p-iss test? LOL.

By Midori

June 26, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

Finch knows a hell of a lot more than you do, RW the Original Wingnut.

By RW-(the original)

June 26, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Thanks!

wOOt,

Pot to Kettle means the two things are identical, so the face to face meeting has to be between the warring combatants.

STDS,

Bush sucks! Happy? I hope that wasn’t too wordy for you.

By Think B-4 You Speak!

June 26, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

WASHINGTON — Published reports revealing a secret government program that tracks money moving in and out of the United States have endangered Americans and undermines the war on terror, President Bush said Monday. — FoxNews

Come on now! I know this isn’t the kind of rubbish you were referring to Buy a Clue! As if we haven’t always monitored money coming in and out of the country. This is a secret program. Raise the terror alert. Buy a Clue’s life is in danger. The Hajis found out we can watch their money.

By Think B-4 You Speak!

June 26, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

RW - Or someone with a more perceptive mind would look at the labels on their garb and see one says Al Qaeda and the other, wait for it, is a U.S. flag. He was talking about YOU, you’re a torturer. lol. Get a grip people!

By Unspeakable Torture

June 26, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

Oh no! What have Bush, Cheney and Rove done?

[The humility of being forced to wear a paper bag on one’s head while taking an involuntary ride on a dangerous and torturous contraption (photo on left). Wait!! Worse torture! Showing a loser without the paper bag covering his face while wearing really hideous down coat(photo on right)!] (http://regmedia.co.uk/2005/11/23/segway_montage.jpg)

Stop the torture now!

By RW-(the original)

June 26, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

Midori,

finch certainly has more names than I do. More personalities than Sybil too.

TB,

Maybe he was portraying a girl scout negotiating cookie prices, you think?

By SSDD

June 26, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

Bush sucks! Happy? I hope that wasn’t too wordy for you.

With biting commentary like THAT you should bum-rush (hehehe) Hannity one day and steal his chair and begin your OWN Faux News “fair & balanced” hour. I’m SURE it would be RIVETING!

By Think B-4 You Speak!

June 26, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

RW-Maybe! Those cookies are pretty torturous. Not to mention the mental torture of seeing them all over the place for three months.

I’m pretty sure that if ML was referring to the military the hooded person would have at least had on cammies.

Or maybe it was someone from one of the OGAs (other government agencies) more likely to actually be torturing the Hajis.

By Buy Danish

June 26, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Getalife,

Onay-ayway. He’s in a super-secret location, probably golfing.

RW,

You are so very welcome.

By RW-(the original)

June 26, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Do you think the wacko from Scranton managed to put enough conspiracy theories and random charges into one question? He put the moonbats here to shame.

By Midori

June 26, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

Saturday’s print edition of the AJC’s editorial page was devoted entirely to this “non issue”.

What I don’t understand is, why did Bush issue a signing statement to McCain’s law banning torture, and why are you morons defending it by trying to tear down Mike L.

By RW-(the original)

June 26, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Vernon Robinson for Congress a great guy with some equally great ads. I hope this guy is in rushncap’s district.

By RW-(the original)

June 26, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Do you have any idea what edition of every newspaper in the country has the smallest distribution, making it the one day of the week to bury an issue and say you have fully covered it?

Hint: It isn’t a weekday or Sunday

By Midori

June 26, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

Yeah RW.

the only way to get attention from you is to edit the name of a cartoon.

One must have priorities, eh?

even if they are in the toilet, hmm?

And Finch does know more than you, whether you want to hear it or not.

your mind is too cluttered with visions of kissing Bush’s septer.

By N-GA

June 26, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

I said it on the day the toon was published. The figure on the right has no military uniform. Most of the “playful” military in the Abu Ghraib photos were GUARDS, not interrogators. Most US interrogators are CIA, NSA, etc. I still think ML means the figure to represent the US Administration since GWB, Gonzales, Cheney, and Rumsfeld all seem to believe that we can torture captives because the Geneva Convention is “outdated” (per Mr. Gonzales).

I believe Mike supports the US troops, but like most REAL AMERICANS he thinks this Administration has truly blown it in its conduct of this war.

And all you wing-nuts can repeat ad nauseum that ML was dissing the troops…we all know (as do you) that you are FOS. And that is also why there is no more room in your heads for any intelligence.

FOS, FOS, FOS, FOS…………FOS

By RW-(the original)

June 26, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this

Midori,

I chat with finch all the time, dearie. Maybe we just know different things, although I’m not sure you have the ability to judge.

By the way, did you know that at 4:10PM Thursday the AJC cooked up a story to claim that mikie’s scribbling was being misinterpreted and changed the name from “Pot to Kettle” to “I planted a garden”?

The last two cartoons since then have been named “Today’s Cartoon”, it sure seems like somebody over their is worried about the implication of a name.

By Midori

June 26, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

Rut roh, RW.

Better ramp up those ‘terra lerts’

By Midori

June 26, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

I’ll bet there’s some yummy mushrooms growing in those skulls.

By Rednecks - American Al Qaeda

June 26, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

@ Buy Danish,

Your poor child - terrorized by a mother who gets off on spanking. Very redneck of you.

This is why redneck culture is self-perpetuating, and will never leave us. Hopefully, your child will have the good sense not to reproduce.

By finch

June 26, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

So that guy who planned the Bali bombing, who we caught by using the classified intelligence that the Times just broadcast to the world, was just a dumb terrorist I guess.

Why, yes. Yes he was. If he’d read a little, he’d know that the US has been doing this for eons.

By the way, why aren’t you barking over the Wall Street Journal deciding to ‘broadcast’ this information? Nice double standard.

RW, how many names does you evil twin use? Nice double standard.

here I am again, Suck!! Ya big galoot!

By Wanker Press

June 26, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

President Bush, who said on Monday morning that the exposure “does great harm to the United States of America,” must demand that the New York Times pay a price for its costly, arrogant defiance. The administration should withdraw the newspaper’s White House press credentials because this privilege has been so egregiously abused, and an aggressive investigation should be undertaken to identify and prosecute, at a minimum, the government officials who have leaked national-defense information.NationalReview

And then hang them by the neck.

My little pervert stalker finch.

By Comprehension, A Liberal Weak Point

June 26, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

By finch June 26, 2006 03:14 PM RW, how many names does you evil twin use? Nice double standard.

Gosh, I wonder if it might have something to do with liberals not being civil and arguing their positions based on merit? But instead they have to throw huge raging fits, stupid childish tantrums and crying jags because Conservatives are mean to them and they are basically defenseless.

When I change names it takes away the only means you have to defend yourselves and leaves your utter stupidity exposed.

You don’t have that problem because people that want to make you look silly don’t have to steal your name to do it. Besides, you are mostly inconsequential.

No, you change names because you are obsessed with me, period.

I’m your whole world.

Weirdo.

By RW-(the original)

June 26, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

finch,

The difference is Andy just uses a different name to stay ahead of the wankers, where you try to pretend to be someone else.

While the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal is conservative, the newspaper’s news pages are liberal, even more liberal than The New York Times. The Drudge Report may have a right-wing reputation, but it leans left. Coverage by public television and radio is conservative compared to the rest of the mainstream media. Meanwhile, almost all major media outlets tilt to the left.

By finch

June 26, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

The difference is Andy just uses a different name to stay ahead of the wankers

There is absolutely nothing logical about this statement.

Nothing. No exceptions. None.

By Buy Danish

June 26, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

finch,

By “ages” do you mean since 9/11? Which is when the SWIFT program was developed?

I know you libs only see history in a very short time frame, but 5 years isn’t exactly synonomous with aeons.

Any more stuff you’d like to make up or justify?

By RW-(the original)

June 26, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

finch,

If that sentence in it’s original non-truncated form doesn’t make sense then poor Midori is wrong again.

Besides, you’re a lib. When did logic ever enter the debate?

By Midori

June 26, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

HAHAHAHAHA

[Watch RW faint](http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/articledisplay.jsp?vnucontent_id=1002727887]

By Buy Danish

June 26, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this

finch,

If you don’t believe that Drudge leans left, check out today’s ManBearPig inspired headlines.

Flooding Cripples Washington!

Rain Hits Wimbledon for 11th Straight Year!

Bush: Climate change is serious problem.

RW,

Finch has been jacked exactly once I believe. Could he be jealous of all the attention that Andy gets?

By RW-(the original)

June 26, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Alan Colmes just said, “Why aren’t you going after the Wall Street Journal for printing this? Is it a double standard?”

Man that sounds familiar and no finch, before you get all bent out of shape I am not accusing you of being Alan Colmes.

BD, Want to bet there is a moonbat site out there with marching orders on this story. Maybe by the time I post this Midori will have fixed her link so I can faint.

By Buy Danish

June 26, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

RW,

How else to explain how 5 years are aeons but a moonbat instruction manual?

By Only If It's A Liberal's Life In Question

June 26, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

Tony Snow: ‘The NEW YORK TIMES and other news organizations ought to think long and hard about whether a public’s right to know in some cases might override somebody’s right to live.’-DrudgeReport

finch, in love with me, how bizarre, how odd.

By Ah-Ha, A Pinko Cheating The Fed, Typical

June 26, 2006 04:55 PM | Link to this

Mr. Buffett could have let the government take its share of his estate after he dies. But just as Mr. Buffett has accumulated his vast wealth without paying much personal income tax, he has found a way to avoid the tax man in this maneuver as well, even writing in his letter to Bill and Melinda Gates that a condition of the gift is that the foundation “must continue to satisfy legal requirements qualifying my gifts as charitable and not subject to gift or other taxes.”-OpinionJournal

finch, ridiculously attacking the WallStreetJournal’s credibility, what a clown, my little stalker.

By RW-(the original)

June 26, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

Maybe this is what Midori wanted me to see, since her link doesn’t work.

Maybe *^ ^ ^ * that is what has them in a tizzy today. Couple this with seeing flags in every store and it’s going to be a fun week.

By RW-(the original)

June 26, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

This must be why the Mayor of Chocolate City needs the National Guard.

There is no terrorist threat in this country, it’s transvestite gangs causing all the trouble.

By Fat Lady, Fixin To Belt One Out

June 26, 2006 05:16 PM | Link to this

Gen. George Casey, the U.S. commander in charge of coalition forces in Iraq, projects large reductions in the 127,000-member American force in Iraq, starting in September and continuing through 2007, according to a New York Times report.

The numbers that are being discussed — a couple of brigades this year, maybe down to four or five next year — those numbers were not discussed at the meeting that I attended. On the other hand, he made it clear that we could go up or we could go down, just depending on the conditions in Iraq.-ClintonNewsNetwork

General Seeker, supreme wanker, wanker-in-chief.

By finch

June 26, 2006 05:27 PM | Link to this

Poor delusional Suck spends more time writing about me than I do even thinking about him! What a macaroon!

BD,

You have no idea how often I’m either jacked or ‘credited’ with something I never posted. Not a bloomin’ clue.

BTW, my DSL is cranky today, but here’s a DOJ link showing how money tracking predates 9/11.

Predates it by years.

Like I said, the smart terrorists have known the US could do this all along. The dumb ones? They’re just dumb.

The only thing the NYT is guilty of is super-hyping a non-story for maximum publicity.

By Daniel

June 26, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

Mike: You’ve done your job!

By Joel

June 26, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

Well it seems now that the esteemed Pulitzer Prize-winning Mr. Luckovich is backpedaling a bit. The negative commentary toward his “Pot to Kettle” cartoon was seemingly endless in this forum.

Don’t get me wrong, being a cartoonist myself, I admire the talent Mr. Luckovich possesses and respect him for winning the Prize twice.

However, I take great exception to this particular cartoon, and moreso his clarifying statement about the United States not condoning torture because we need to take the moral high road.

Contrary to his belief, it is my belief that if putting underwear on a detainee’s head — or even physical harm — will prevent the deaths of American lives, then so be it.

All of this aside, for Mr. Luckovich to equate our fighting men and women in uniform to the savage al Qaeda terrorists (oops, pardon me Ms. Pelosi, “insurgents”) is downright despicable and loathsome. But what else do you expect from a belly-crawling, bed-wetting liberal?

I guess my response is best put into drawing. Eye for an eye, pen for a pen. Click here to see how I have fired back in defense of our military.

God bless our soldiers!

By RW-(the original)

June 26, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

Joel,

Well done! Do you mind if I put that up on the site where we bash luckovich for this cartoon when we aren’t doing it here?

By So Pitiful

June 26, 2006 05:57 PM | Link to this

Danish: You are absolutely right about finch wanting to be somebody, look at how he argues his relevancy:

By finch June 26, 2006 05:27 PM BD, You have no idea how often I’m either jacked or ‘credited’ with something I never posted. Not a bloomin’ clue.

It’s pretty sad when you have to argue your worth, most people will let their actions speak for themselves.

I hate to break the news to him but it is going to take alot more than stalking some other guy on a blog to build a lasting reputation.

It must be horrible for him suffering in my shadow and it shows. I’m kind of sorry for all of the mental issues that I’ve caused him to develop, but then again, no I’m not.

Right now, as it stands, he is blase at best. I only respond to him because he is such an easy mark, like Mohamed Ali warming up on some hapless featherweight. He makes for good show.

About the only good thing I can grant him is that he commands only slightly more respect then getagrip, although that’s not saying much.

But it is something.

By Buy Danish

June 26, 2006 06:26 PM | Link to this

Joel,

That was great! Unlike Lucko, you can draw AND write too - and do both to perfection.

The AJC could use you, and if you had a blog, I bet you’d actually offer some really good commentary from time to time.

Keep in touch, or better yet, let RW link feature you!

Andy,

In all fairness to finch, I brought up the fact that he was next-to-never jacked at^^4:13 p.m.

However, I clearly recall him remarking that he was never jacked, and then being delighted when it finally happened (kind of like losing his virginity I guess).

I find his claims that “he has no idea” how often he has been jacked to be, err, shall we say *disingenuous. Okay, there was that 2 week period when he went rafting out West somewhere, but it’s not as if he isn’t checking in regularly.

See how fair and balanced I am?

By Buy Danish

June 26, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

finch,

I read your money laundering link. I really don’t think that this is what the SWIFT program was about, but nice try.

By Excellent Toon, Joel

June 26, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

You’re hired. Tell these libs to get that other guy out of your cubicle.

By finch

June 26, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

It’s pretty sad when you have to argue your worth, most people will let their actions speak for themselves.

You are too damn funny, Pitiful.. I mean Suck! You trumpet your “worth” here constantly!

By Suck - June 26, 2006 10:00am

you liberals devote your whole entire existence in trying to undermine my onslaught of truth.

“My onslaught of truth”?? Snicker! choke! Unbelievable!! snickersnicker!

Are you by chance familiar with the concept of irony?

heehee! Oh this is too much…. it’s closing in on 7:00, Suck… you can have your playpen all to yourself and your little friends now!

(doubled over in laughter!)<< g’nite

By Baghdad Bob, err, finch

June 26, 2006 07:12 PM | Link to this

Lost in his own propaganda:

By finch June 26, 2006 06:56 PM “My onslaught of truth”?? Snicker! choke! Unbelievable!! snickersnicker!

O.K., finch, what was the General Seeker routine all about? Huh, huh?

Was I getting under your skin with my onslaught of “no big concern?”

Hahahaha.

Awfully embarrassing, ain’t it?

By When Do You Think This Will Come True?

June 26, 2006 08:02 PM | Link to this

BUSH’S POLICY ON STEM CELL RESEARCH HAS NO GOOD DEFENSE

Fri Aug 13, 2004

By Cynthia Tucker (Queen Pinko)

Laura Bush could not have expected to end the argument over stem cell research with her tepid proclamation: “We don’t even know that stem cell research will provide cures for anything — much less that (cures) are very close.”

Two years later embryonic stem cells still haven’t cured anything while Bush has moved forward adult stem cell research to some amazing advances without killing one life.

I challenge anyone to name something the libs have gotten right in the last 5 years.

Does that stop them from saying anything else stupid?

Like the draft?

Or “global warming?”

“Civil war” in Iraq?

You didn’t think we were writing it all down, did you?

By GARY PARKER

June 27, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

You tripped over your own logic, Mike. You say Al Qaida’s “brand of torture is light-years beyond anything the United States has been accused of doing” — yet the very image in your cartoon shows America and Al Qaida as equals. One figure holds a knife, another a torture manual, but both wear hoods — the symbol of the medieval executioner. For the record, I’m a political moderate who believes George W. Bush is wrong on about 90% of the issues. And I’m for leaving Iraq, because I believe our presence is self-defeating, and because few Iraqis are worth dying for. (“The President regrets to inform you that your son died protecting [a] Sunni Muslims who wish we were all dead because we toppled Saddam, or [b] Shiite Muslims who wish we were all dead because we’re infidels.” Take your pick.) That said — to use your phrase, Mike — I believe Islamic radicalism is the great threat of our times, just as fascism was the great threat of the 1930s. I don’t dilute my fear and loathing of radical Islam simply because I dislike the policies of our president.

By Richard

June 27, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

Hey Mike, your words make no sense!Go crawl under a rock.Way to go RBM of Atlanta.

By w00t

June 27, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

No one has answered my question yet. I guess you neo-cons don’t have one.

By Ty

June 27, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

I’ve been tortured! Your cartoon has inflicted much pain and anguish upon me! Moral equivalency doesn’t work so well, eh?

I’m guessing life in the ivory tower makes it difficult to see the difference between good and evil sometimes (all the time?).

By Cynthia Mckinney's hair dresser

June 27, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

Hey MIKE, go work for the NYT! You both seem to be on the same page (no pun intended). I’ll never spend another dime on the AJC (Al-Jazera Constitution). Please someone bring some competition into this one horse town!!!

By racer

June 27, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

People like you would have been tried for treason back during the Second World War. Times have changed but not always for the better

By Mark Veach

June 27, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

Mr. Luckovich,

Nice attempt with your pseudo-apology. The damage is already done. You have disgraced yourself, our country and our city.

You have made me see the light. I don’t have to worry about going to pick up the AJC at the top of my drive-way anymore!

Please someone start a fair and balanced newspaper in Atlanta!

By Will Jones

June 27, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

Such irony!

A local agent of the corporation which willingly produced 600 “Black Raven” gas vans used to murder 600,000 innocent civilians for Hitler’s “Einsatzgruppen” has the temerity to place a full-page ad expressing “moral outrage” over anything.

None but false patriots, philistines, reprobates and the wilfully ignorant fail to recognize that Mike Luckovich’s “Torture” cartoon is precisely and prophetically correct.

As true Americans Our Motto is Annuit Coeptis: “Divine Providence Blesses Our Endeavors.” The pursuit of righteousness, above reproach, is the only path to the moral authority The American People deserve and require.

Thanks AJC for allowing Mike Luckovich to lead the way!

By w00t

June 27, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

The Council of Europe accused states of colluding with the CIA on secret flights transferring prisoners to third countries where they could be tortured.

Things that make you go “hmmmmm”

By Steve Bartl

June 27, 2006 02:50 PM | Link to this

Lukovich,

What your “explanation” says about you is that, in addition to being an anti-American pretencious hypocrate, you also don’t have the courage to stand by your convictions, however misguded they may be, and you deem your readers to be morons, for only morons would believe you really think what you stated above. For you, the U.S. is, at best, morally equivalent to Al-Qaeda. You disgust me. On the other hand, I am proud of this great country’s ideal of free speech that lets scum like you even live here.

By Julie Pearson

June 27, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

I would like to know if you were a journalist in Baghdad and were kidnapped … would you rather it be an AlQueda insurgent or an American Soldier? Compare your version of tortures and give us an honest answer.

By pete nance

June 27, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

you are either: 1 sick in the head and heart. 2 you really dislike the American military. 3 you dislike the republical party/the President/and most of the american people so much that you will do and print any and everything that you can dream up in order to accomplish your sick goals. What must you be thinking??

By Calvin Hipp

June 27, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

Mike: You are a disgrace. Please go to work for the NYT, better yet just go away.

By donald

June 27, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

you are still wrong..the U.S. might torture to get information on terrorist activity, which will SAVE LIVES..terrorists torture for the hell of it..we, the U.S. (except you) are the GOOD GUYS in this war..your hatred of america has you blinded..you and the terrorists WILL spend eternity in hell wishing you were on the right side.

By Ryckie Fernandez

June 27, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

You are a disgrace. Why you hate America is beyond me. But what is so offensive is your narrow minded scope. Any opposing view of your dribble is met with an uppity attitude from you. Apparently your vast intellect is above all others. Maybe that is why most people see your cartoons of offensive and in bad taste. You keep shouting your free speech mantra, and I will keep picking up the dogs waste with your cartoon page.

By Aleda Calhoun

June 27, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

I am at a total loss on how this cartoon got published; it’s offensive, sick, and ignorant. Oh, yeah, it must have made it through editorial because it was a dig against the military, the effort in the Middle East, and George W. Bush. Where was this pithy sense humor when we had the Democratic embarrassment (co-presidents Bill and Hil) in office?
But I digress; “Mike’s take on the torture cartoon” is an even worse insult and an affront to all of us, especially those with children, grandchildren, stepchildren, spouses, siblings and parents serving in the Middle East.
Freedom of the press is noble and very different from irresponsible journalism. This is nothing more than an outlet for a cranky old man’s hatred of our President his administration. Pulitzer should take their prize back—you are an abomination next to the beautiful lives you besmirch with this drek.
I wish I could cancel my subscription to the AJC all over again, but once will have to be enough.

By Midori

June 27, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this

why can’t you cartoon haters go post in the appropriate thread?

Dumb AND outraged is not a good way to go thru life.

By Bob Engert

June 27, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this

There’s no point in wasting words on this. It is simply a matter of moral decency. At a time when two American families (and millions of us along with them) are mourning the death of their loved ones (a death made all the more painful by the cruel method by which they were killed), the AJC and Mike Luckovich chose to mock their loss by drawing a baseless comparison with a criminal organization. This shameless and despicable commentary left me shaking in anger at the start of my day, and I for one resent your sneeringly juvenile depiction of our great nation. I have been a consistent advertiser in the past, despite many reservations. However, last week I chose not to run my ad in your publication. And now, I must seriously question whether I should continue to do so in the future.

By Bob Engert

June 27, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this

There’s no point in wasting words on this. It is simply a matter of moral decency. At a time when two American families (and millions of us along with them) are mourning the death of their loved ones (a death made all the more painful by the cruel method by which they were killed), the AJC and Mike Luckovich chose to mock their loss by drawing a baseless comparison with a criminal organization. This shameless and despicable commentary left me shaking in anger at the start of my day, and I for one resent your sneeringly juvenile depiction of our great nation. I have been a consistent advertiser in the past, despite many reservations. However, last week I chose not to run my ad in your publication. And now, I must seriously question whether I should continue to do so in the future.

By C Volner

June 27, 2006 06:13 PM | Link to this

As an old Veteran, I was grossly offended by the caricature of the United States being compared to the Terrorists! The blood-thirsty Thugs are nothing more than Cowards….and to compare our Forces in Iraq to these Criminals is totally uncalled for, and inexcusable! Shame on you 100 times for having the chutzpah to draw such a Vile cartoon!

By George Callaway

June 27, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this

The cartoon was typical of the shallow, Bush- and America-hating that passes for journalism at the AJC today. Truly disgusting, and Cynthia Tucker should be fired, post-haste, if you want any credibility in this market. Makes me so proud I quit that rag after working there 16 years. I was too white, too Southern-born, too male, too heterosexual, and just too damn conservative to fit in anymore. It’s a newpapers that celebrates divesity of everything — except thought.

By R. Bellamy

June 27, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this

I have been thinking about cancelling my subscription to the AJC for awhile now and after seeing this cartoon that Mike Luckovich posted certainly made up my mind. I tried to call and cancel as soon as I got home but since it was after hours I will make it a priority to cancel this paper first thing in the morning.

By PROUD AMERICAN

June 27, 2006 07:20 PM | Link to this

Mike,

If our troops — or the the Bush administration in your warped (wildly to the left) little mind — are truly the moral-equivalent of sadistic Islamic fanaticals, and the dictatorial regimes that support them as you suggest… Why don’t you move to the Middle East, and see how they deal with “freedom of speech” issues regarding political cartoons they find offensive?!?

P.S. I’ll even pay for your one-way plane fare!!!

“PROUD AMERICAN”

By Will Jones

June 28, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

“Proud American”: Please read PhD Emeritus Logic Professor David Ray Griffin’s “New Pearl Harbor,” or just click on “Loose Change 2” http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=Loose+Change+second+edition:

Bush did 9/11…and is now violating the Geneva Convention and common sense by committing rendition and torture.

Torture is torture. G_d is not mocked.

Proper Americans don’t argue from ignorance…or support treason or perversion.

By w00t

June 28, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

Man, you guys want some cheese with that “whine”?

It’s great, let see some of the excuses we have today.

Here’s a typical one: Why don’t you move to the Middle East, and see how they deal with “freedom of speech” issues regarding political cartoons they find offensive

Oh, great idea, we’ll just do the same thing here in the states so your feeling don’t get hurt when your party is caught with its pants down. Yes, that’s it; we’ll just ship anyone off that doesn’t agree with us. Yeah, that’s the ticket!

Another classic: * have been thinking about cancelling my subscription to the AJC for awhile…*

Go ahead, why even read it, there are FAR more reliable sources out there for you I’m sure that spin stories just for you. Does anyone really care if you stop reading the ajc? I don’t think so.

And the granddaddy of them all: You are a disgrace. Why you hate America is beyond me…

Yes, all liberals hate America, down with the flag, F the troops and that old chestnut. (sarcasm for the blind). This is more of a 4th grade insult than anything else. Why anyone would think that a person that was born in this country, grew up in this country, and had all the opportunity in the world to do anything he or she pleases and hates this country is beyond me. Cause I sure don’t hate this country. Sometimes it may displease me, but I certainly do not “hate” it.

Maybe you guys should actually read what I posted earlier before you come here saying the same thing that has been said a 100 other times.

The Council of Europe accused states of colluding with the CIA on secret flights transferring prisoners to third countries where they could be tortured.

By David

June 28, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

RW, you are the problem. Conservatives are the reason we are where we are, broke, getting our kids killed, and no credibility whatsoever.

By RW-(the original)

June 28, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

David,

If blaming me helps you live with the hell you must go through from having no principles go right ahead.

By Randy Bradley

June 28, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this

I believe your cartoon was way over the line and a very inaccurate portrayal of the torture happening in Iraq and at Gitmao or anywhere else. You were wqrong to drawit, think it or print it. I will never read your paper again.

Randy Bradley

By Cindy

June 28, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this

Mike, You are an excellent political cartoonist!

Torture is an un-American practice. Only those without priciples, honor and values could accept and defend an administration that condones torture.

By w00t

June 28, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

I believe your cartoon was way over the line and a very inaccurate portrayal of the torture happening in Iraq and at Gitmao or anywhere else. You were wqrong to drawit, think it or print it. I will never read your paper again.

Randy Bradley

Ah, so there IS torture that happens in Iraq and gitmao, but it’s not as bad as what is happening in Iraq. I guess our forum of torture is better? So long as we’re not killing people then it’s ok.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Have fun!

By Scott Bachelder

June 28, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

The following is an editorial I discovered on the internet. I am not some “over-the-top” or “Bush-can-do-no-wrong” conservative. I do; however, believe there are certain areas and topics which deserve to be addressed with a certain level of common decency, a characteristic your attempts at political cartoons lack. Your “talent” seems to solely consist of being controversial and little else. Question: How does it feel to be one of the least respected and most disliked individuals in the city of ATlanta?

Lynching the Marines Ralph Peters Wed Jun 28, 8:30 AM ET

Let’s just hang those Marines accused in the Haditha incident. Get it over with. They don’t need a court martial. They’re guilty. The media already decided the case.

A few other Marines and soldiers are also accused of murder in Iraq. Save our tax dollars. Just hang them, too.

Forget the stresses of combat. Forget that war really is hell. Whatever you do, don’t mention the atrocities committed by the terrorists or insurgents.

Those two young American soldiers tortured to death a few weeks ago? Bury that story fast. The terrorists are the good guys. We’re the only torturers.

Don’t close Guantanamo. Put our troops in the cells. There’s no surer way to quell the media’s outrage over Gitmo than freeing the terrorists held there and filling it with our soldiers. Don’t worry about individual charges. Collective guilt applies.

Ignore history. Let’s pretend that warfare can be waged with absolute sterility, without so much as giving the enemy a broken fingernail. War isn’t about fighting. It’s about making people happy.

Civilian casualties? The thousands of Iraqis slain by terrorists were legitimate targets. Iraqi civilians are only innocent victims when Americans kill them.

And avoid the true potential parallel with the Vietnam War—after we cut and ran those peace-loving Communists killed at least ten million civilians in cold blood in Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam.

Let’s all get on-message: America is the real evil empire, American troops are homicidal maniacs, and the world would be a better place if we just surrendered and let a non-partisan committee of Islamists, Chinese, Russians and Europeans run it.

Think of how much better off the world would be without us: If American-imperialist thugs had stayed out of World War II, we wouldn’t have that nasty Israel problem. The European Union would’ve come into being decades earlier (speaking German, but what’s not to like?). The Japanese would’ve solved China’s over-population dilemma. And the Soviet Union would still be building the workers’ paradise.

As for Iraq, not only should we get out now and let all those flower-child terrorists, insurgents and militias inaugurate the Age of Aquarius, we must get our barbaric troops under control.

That means punishing a young Marine if he so much as writes a playful song about the war that turns into an internet hit. Forget the real lyrics to “Mademoiselle From Armentieres,” or that old marching song from the Philippines, “The Monkeys Have No Tails in Zamboanga.” Forget all those hilarious “Jody” calls and cadences. Just punish that guy with the guitar and the sense of humor (the WWII cartoonist Bill Mauldin should’ve stood trial at Nuremberg).

Thank god we have the media to tell the world how rabid we are. And we won’t mention what would happen to every journalist in Iraq tomorrow if our troops disappeared overnight. Bad taste to hint that our enemies might not be champions of free speech. And let’s not pile on while the press is still mourning Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Okay, now let’s be serious: I do not condone criminal acts in wartime. If any of our soldiers or Marines charged with murder or other serious crimes are found guilty, they should be sentenced accordingly under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

But let’s give them a fair trial first. And let’s remember that an act committed in the heat of battle is different from walking into a McDonald’s and killing a half-dozen people for meth money.

Isn’t it remarkable that, to the media, our troops are guilty until proven innocent, while our enemies are innocent even after they’re proven guilty? Compare the media feeding frenzy over Haditha with the utter lack of detailed human-interest reporting on the thousands of victims of terrorist atrocities. And just wait: In no time, we’ll hear that those terrorists arrested last Thursday in Miami were unfairly entrapped by the feds.

There is no question: Discipline must be maintained within our military. And discipline is maintained. Anyone who knows anything about wars throughout history has to be astonished at how few criminal incidents our troops have been involved in during their time in Iraq. We have a humane, magnificent military. Given the nature of counter-insurgency operations, we’ve set a statistical record for good behavior.

Our troops will never be given credit, though. To get the media’s attention, an American soldier must die, suffer a crippling wound, or commit a crime.

But the media aren’t the worst of it, in the end. Who expects responsible, moral behavior from our media any more? No, the worst of it is the cowardice of our political and even military leaders. Four-star generals may be lions on the battlefield, but turn a camera on them and they’re jellyfish. Want to send President Bush into a defensive crouch? Mention Guantanamo.

Our leaders need to stand up for those in uniform. While criminal actions must be investigated, when challenged with media exaggerations or outright lies our leaders need to fight back - and to hammer home that there is no such thing as an immaculate war.

Instead of blubbering that he, too, wants to close Guantanamo, our president should state manfully that, if necessary, we’ll keep Gitmo open for the next hundred years.

The United States is history’s most virtuous power. Our soldiers are valorous and decent. Our cause is just. Why don’t our leaders have the guts to say that? How can they cower while our troops are crucified? Instead of Joshua’s trumpets, we get Peter’s fretful denials.

At this point, I doubt that any of our accused Marines and soldiers can get a fair trial. I don’t want the guilty to go free. But I do think that, if Bill Clinton could pardon his criminal friends, President Bush should consider pardoning any soldiers or Marines convicted of violent crimes under combat conditions.

The hate-America bigots in the media shouldn’t get away with lynching our troops.

By Will Jones

June 28, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this

Zombie myrmidons…wake up!

Draft-dodger, closet-queen, grandson of Hitler’s banker (Google “Prescott Thyssen Auschwitz”), and son of JFK and MLK assassin GHWBush, committed 9/11 after having been unconstitutionally appointed POTUS by the Roman Catholic bloc on the Supreme Court…he then knowingly lied about WMD to get over 2500 of us dead for Roman Catholic “Big Oil” and the 5% Chaldean Roman Catholic faction of Iraq…slaughtering untold tens of thousands of other innocents in the process.

Do you think Divine Providence is unaware even if your sectarian worship of the cult of Limbaugh, pedophile priests, traitorous fascist plutocrats and trash celebrities keeps you distracted?

By Will Jones

June 28, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this

Zombie myrmidons…wake up!

Draft-dodger, closet-queen, grandson of Hitler’s banker (Google “Prescott Thyssen Auschwitz”), and son of JFK and MLK assassin GHWBush, committed 9/11 after having been unconstitutionally appointed POTUS by the Roman Catholic bloc on the Supreme Court…he then knowingly lied about WMD to get over 2500 of us dead for Roman Catholic “Big Oil” and the 5% Chaldean Roman Catholic faction of Iraq…slaughtering untold tens of thousands of other innocents in the process.

Do you think Divine Providence is unaware even if your sectarian worship of the cult of Limbaugh, pedophile priests, traitorous fascist plutocrats and trash celebrities keeps you distracted?

By JTB

June 29, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

Cartoonist, You’re probably one of those prissy artists who claims to feel “raped” when a newspaper decides to “censor” (or in more logical terms, “choose not to print”) one of your cartoons. Your explanation shows America two things about you (and, more importantly, the rabid state of Neoliberalism that has a deathgrip on the Global Left and the US Democrat Party). First, you try to explain that “the fact that we have deemed ANY form of torture acceptable to get information from our enemies has done irreparable harm to our cause.” You think so-called torture techniques like sleep deprivation and having dogs bark at you is comparable to being eviscerated or being fed live into a wood chipper or even being made to watch your daughters being ACTUALLY raped? Even someone as dense as you can tell which side of this war uses which “techniques” above! If our intent were to teach terrorists by example to use sleep deprivation on ILLEGALLY held US troops, then the terrorists are lousy students. Second, to further claim that you “doubt that the Iraqi people make such a distinction in their minds” just shows how condescending and (probably) racist you are when it comes to those poor, simple Iraqis. You know, the ones who were having their fingernails pulled out under Saddam. You don’t think they’re sophisticated enough to tell the difference between real torture and being made really uncomfortable? Shame on you. Shame shame shame, and a pox besides. One more thing. Notice that you haven’t had to go into hiding for drawing a cartoon grossly insulting to America and her military, and especially our two brave soldiers those animals butchered (not to mention those soldiers’ families). This should be instructive, especially to one in your “profession”, as to which side is fighting the good fight. If you lived under a Muslim theocracy and published something similar, there would be a knock on your door at midnight and no one would ever find the body.