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By I Report, They Whine
June 22, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this
There you have it, the cartoon says it all. According to the liberals, the United States is no better than Al Qaeda. Can it be made more plain to see?
This is a red letter day for liberalism, it’s like coming out of the closet, so to speak. Thank You, Thank You, Thank You for clarifying this for all to behold.
No matter how much cartoon boy warmed to this “idea,” even if it helped him to achieve an anti American erection, there are very few normal people that will consider this even remotely funny.
Unless they got there heads up the MoveOn’s a-ss like most of these pinkos do.
Pandering to the party lunatics at the expense of our security.
By I Report, They Whine
June 22, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this
Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq
WASHINGTON — The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.-FoxNews
By I Report, They Whine
June 22, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this
Peggy Noonan, Wall Street Journal, nails it:
I thought of him the other day when I saw Howard Dean say something intemperate on TV. I actually can’t remember what it was, one intemperate Dean statement blending into another as they do. I was standing near a small screen with recent acquaintances, all of them relatively nonpolitical, and as I watched Mr. Dean speak I blurted, “Why does he say things like that?” A middle-aged woman—intelligent, professional—answered, “Because he thinks they’re stupid.”
He thinks who’s stupid? I asked. The press? “His party,” she said. We both laughed because it sounded true.
By I Report, They Whine
June 22, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this
By getagrip June 21, 2006 02:19 PM Yes, Mr. Murtha is the man. What a great American!
By 1980, Murtha was a lieutenant of Speaker Thomas P. (Tip) O’Neill and was moving to the top in the House when the FBI named him as one of eight members of Congress videotaped being offered bribes by a phony Arab sheik.
The other seven congressional targets took cash and were convicted in federal court. The videotape showed Murtha declining to take cash but expressing interest in further negotiations, while bragging about his political influence. Murtha testified against the popular Rep. Frank Thompson in the Abscam case, which created lifelong enemies in the Democratic cloakroom. The House Ethics Committee exonerated Murtha of misconduct charges by a largely party-line vote, after which the committee’s special counsel resigned in protest. –Robert Novak, RealClearPolitics
Two Faced Hypocrite.
By I Report, They Whine
June 22, 2006 08:05 AM | Link to this
Calling retreat: Not a winner By Donald Lambro, Washington Times June 22, 2006
This has not been a good month for the Democrats who are more dispirited, divided and in disarray than ever before about what to do in Iraq.
When a party’s leadership is unable to unite behind a clear position on the No. 1 national security issue facing America, it is not ready to govern. And that is the situation in which the Democrats now find themselves.
Looks like the truth to me, anyone want to dispute that?
I dare you.
You liberals aren’t serious people and neither are your “leaders.”
By Bobby Elrod
June 22, 2006 08:05 AM | Link to this
How dare you! The other day you talk about visiting the wounded solders at Walter Reed, and now you go and spit in the faces of our two young boys who were tortured and beheaded this past week, by comparing that to barking dogs and naked mosh pits. Consider my ever spending a dime on your rag forgotten, and I will be showing this to every one of my fellow vets and giving them that same advise.
By Scooter
June 22, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this
ml, at least you could have portrayed the Alqaida (sp) guy as complaining that he has to leave the head on. But you are ml the patriot.
What our “media” doesn’t tell us Zarqawi said; “There is no doubt that the space in which we can move has begun to shrink and that the grip around the throats of the mujahidin has begun to tighten. With the deployment of soldiers and police, the future has become frightening.”
By Edward Williams Jr.
June 22, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this
Direcetly comparing American soldiers to head-chopping, WTC-destroying Al Qaida terrorists… this constitutes a much lower low than I thought ANYONE this side of Al Jazeera was capable of.
By I Report, They Whine
June 22, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this
The Pentagon yesterday announced the names of seven Marines and a Navy corpsman charged with the April 26 kidnapping and murder of a 52-year-old Iraqi man in the town of Hamdania. The accusations are grave and, if proved, will almost certainly lead to severe sentences. We suspect no parallel process is taking place among Iraqi insurgents for the weekend murders near Yusufiya of U.S. soldiers Thomas L. Tucker and Kristian Menchaca.-Wall Street Journal
By I Report, They Whine
June 22, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this
Meanwhile in Washington, the Democrats are determined to leave Iraq and are preparing a resolution to do so. It’s an understandable impulse. Iraq is hard and bloody, requiring excesses of courage far beyond the children’s courage of the Democrats: up for it if it’s easy, the hell with it if it’s not. Men like Menchaca and Tucker had to call on excess courage every day to keep themselves together. It’s courage that few civilian Americans know anything about, thanks to our all volunteer military that has effectively created a new class structure in our country: the warrior class, the working class, and the coffee/Internet café class-American Spectator
By Tell Us Again How Much You Love The Dixie Chicks
June 22, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this
Mr. Murtha’s howlers about Okinawa obscured a more revealing comment he made earlier on CNN. He cited President Clinton’s abrupt withdrawal from Somalia after 19 Rangers were killed there in 1993 as an example of the policy the U.S. should follow in Iraq.
Because he is a retired Marine Reserve colonel who served in Vietnam, Rep. Murtha is regarded as one of the Democrats’ leading strategic thinkers. This, sadly, may be the case.
Mr. Murtha sounds less like a Marine colonel these days, and more like a male Cindy Sheehan. Has he become senile? Or was he always this stupid?- RealClearPolitics
By God Bless the War
June 22, 2006 08:09 AM | Link to this
Not too much difference in the US forces and al Queda any more, is there? Both engage in torture and kill the innocent elders, women, and children. I’ll bet the Iraqis sure can’t tell any difference when those M-16 rounds are going through their childrens brains. Great job, Bushie ! ! !
God bless the war AND OUR WAR PROFITS ! ! !
By Writer
June 22, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this
Yes, We can see how putting lady’s underwear on someones head equates to castrating a living person, stuffing his p***s in his mouth (still living) and opening him up from stem to stern. Funny, I thought the LEFT was the ones who always say that there should be no absolutes since everything is relative.
By greiner3
June 22, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this
Does this mean that this comic and any like it will be outlawed after the dark side passes the flag amendment? Lol, if so then comics will have to resort to symbols (like the flag is, it’s only a symbol), say like showing a swastica in red, white and blue colors to show what it really means. Being a Cox newspaper, I am surprised, no, shocked, that you would show a progressive comic as this one. My hats off to you! Keep up the good work. And my advice to the hate mongers that have posted so far; Why do you hate America?
By G. Lestrade
June 22, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this
The “Pot to Kettle” cartoon provides encouragement to al-Qaeda. “Just keep doing what you’re doing. The US media is behind you all the way.”
By gttim
June 22, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this
Sadly, this is what the Bush administration has brought the US to in the eyes of the world. It is horrible that they have changed the way the world looks at us to such a degree. Now, we torture people. That is the bottom line. It is unacceptable.
As far as supporting the troops? Now that our nation is known as one who tortures people, our soldiers are much more likely to be tortured. I don’t want that. One of the reasons behind the Geneva Conventions is to make sure that our soldiers are not tortured, and in return for that we do not torture others.
If the GOP and the Bush administration wants to support the troops, they need to start treating others they way we want to be treated- I have heard that somewhere before. They also need to start funding more hospitals and quicker treatment for our injured vets. They could also start paying the soldiers more. They are fighting for us so let’s raise the taxes on the rich and pay the people who are fighting. Let’s share the sacrifice. It is the only patriotic thing to do!
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this
So far the United States has been found to have played loud music at night and turned down the temperature on some prisoners and put some panties on the heads of others. The people responsible have been prosecuted by the United States.
Pfc. Kristian Menchaca and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker were recently found murdered with their bodies desecrated to the point that no identification could be made without taking the remains for DNA testing. By some reports these soldiers had their hearts cut out and were castrated. The bodies were booby trapped and the path to them lined with explosives.
According to Mike Luckovich and, by virtue of their running this depiction, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution these things are equal in nature and our military men and women are no better than brutal savage murderers.
Mike, this is the most disgusting and despicable thing you have ever published and you should be ashamed of yourself. I suppose rather than issue an apology you will fire off a copy of this drawing to the Pulitzer committee. When you are yucking it up and drinking champagne at your next award ceremony, I hope the images of these two brave soldiers will creep into some tiny portion of your soul. If you even have one.
By w00t
June 22, 2006 08:26 AM | Link to this
Once again, you guys are blind. No, I wouldn’t even call you guys blind. You only see what you want to see. It’s like those “magic” posters that used to be in the mall. If you stare at it long enough you might see the image. You’re just the guys that lie and say, “oh, yeah, I saw it… it’s a sail boat, right?”
THINK! What else could the cartoon mean!?!?
By Loren Cook
June 22, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this
Why don’t you liberals get it? We are at war because we were attacked on 9/11. What are you going to do if confronted by a terrorist, throw an ink bottle at them? You ought to admit you are Anti American and you are a coward.
Sincerely,
Loren Cook
By A.L.
June 22, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this
This cartoon is yet another fine example of how Monica Luckovich supports the troops.
Pathetic.
By Scooter
June 22, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this
Progressive: progress towards global capitulation and understanding, while domestically fostering social dependence. Don’t worry, the dependence only bloats government and gives it more power.
You can sign up as a progressive at your local ballot box.
Vote Libertarian and cut’em both off.
By w00t
June 22, 2006 08:36 AM | Link to this
Why don’t you liberals get it? We are at war because we were attacked on 9/11. What are you going to do if confronted by a terrorist, throw an ink bottle at them? You ought to admit you are Anti American and you are a coward.
But, Loren, I thought we were at war for WMD’s… no wait that’s not it… it was for liberating the people. I can’t ever remember cause we go through so many reasons. Well, at least they finally got their al-Qaeda ties to Iraq….
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this
Loren - Are you writing from Baghdad, maybe Kabul?
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this
gttim,
Was this administration and its policies of prisoner detention the cause of our soldiers bodies being desecrated and dragged through the streets of Mogadishu?
For our new contributers today “gttim” is a diarist at the daily kos, so he comes by his blame America first feelings quite easily.
By finch
June 22, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this
As much fun as I have trashing the Moonie Times (because it’s such a delight to see Suck… well, whine like a little girl!) I’ll hold off for a bit.
This cartoon suggests similarities between Islamic extremist behavior and policy (we lop off heads, take pictures and LIKE it!) and US behavior and policy (no beheadings, no mutilations. Pictures are strongly discouraged).
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Meanwhile, I truly hope that wingnuts continue to wallow in the fantasy that this cartoon reflects the thinking of all “liberals”. Such stereotypes spell the wingnut’s doom
By Tell Us Again How Much You Support The Troops
June 22, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this
By gttim June 22, 2006 08:22 AM Now that our nation is known as one who tortures people, our soldiers are much more likely to be tortured.
Does anyone actually believe that? Anyone who doesn’t have their head up MoveOn’s a-ss, I mean?
Al Qaeda’s main “battle” plan in Iraq is to slaughter innocent women and children with suicide bombers, bombers who are usually mentally retarded or stoned on heroin. They behead the prisoners they take, prisoners taken not on the battlefield, but from their homes and behead them.
They slaughtered office workers with planes filled with innocent civilians on the very first day of this war.
Keep defending your soldiers, pinko liberals, idiot gttim and all the rest of you losers, let everybody know who you really are.
By Woman of Valor
June 22, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this
This cartoon is a fine example of the typical Liberal conceit that any and all horrors perpetrated by the Islamofascists are somehow to be laid at America’s door. We must don sackcloth and ashes, beat our breasts and take responsibility for every murderous thug out there who wants to restore the caliphate and raise the star and crescent flag over every corner of the world. Luckovich, your career is over, because even you can’t go any lower than this.
By E. Griffin
June 22, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this
Talk about poison pen journalism. This paper and this ‘cartoonist’ should have all their ink confiscated for this obsene, despicable, and anti- American statement.
By Publius
June 22, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this
Your cartoon is worthy of the Volkischer Beobachter. The enemy uses murder and torture as part of a deliberate campaign of intimidation and terror, seeking to control its people. We have a thoughtful policy of restraint and law but, as Samuel Johnson said, “An army cannot consist of philosophers.” Some crimes thus occur on our side but do not represent or really reflect upon out troops — although the MSM seizes upon these incidents to slime them for partisan-hack reasos. Your cartoon is therefore not a satirical exaggeratio but fundamentally a detestable falsehood.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this
An objective mind wouldn’t look at this cartoon and jump to the conclusion that we are the same as al qaeda; however, I can see how the halfwits here get their outrage.
As smart as some of you people claim to be it’s amazing that you have so much trouble wrapping your little minds around something. Unless of course, you psuedo rage is an attempt to outrage the other simpletons.
By General Seeker, On Top Of It
June 22, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this
We have ten new visitors to the blog and it isn’t even nine o’clock yet, all of them tagging you liberals with your new policy statement:
By finch June 22, 2006 08:39 AM Meanwhile, I truly hope that wingnuts continue to wallow in the fantasy that this cartoon reflects the thinking of all “liberals”. Such stereotypes spell the wingnut’s doom
What a jac-k off. How can this abomination of a cartoon be our problem?
This must be definition day for you liberals, let the world know who you really are.
So this is what Pelosi was talking about with y’alls new direction, eh?
Just flat out join the enemy?
By nick mallory
June 22, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this
This is a dreadful cartoon, you ought to be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves. Not only do you gloat over the deaths of two brave American servicemen, you openly state that American servicemen are no better than the barbaric butchers who murdered and mutilated them.
This shows a complete disrespect for the facts and for any objective standards of morality. The cartoonist has no brain and no heart. You know what would be a brave and outspoken and radical comment from ‘Mike’ right now?
An apology.
You guys aren’t ‘anti war’ - you’re on the other side.
By Pluto's dad
June 22, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this
It is odd how in the Left’s mind the following are equivalent:
withholding air conditioning = beheading
red ink spilled on you = beheading
good cop bad cop = beheading
forced to stand = beheading
water poured over your head = beheading
all of that done to a small percentage of prisoners, while the rest got to play soccer outside = beheading
yes, I can see how we are just as bad as them, and we are the “root cause”
By SSDD
June 22, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this
Andy, andy, andy.
Can you SEE the forest for the trees? Are you so blinded by your devotion to your party that you cannot recognize the hypocrisy of Americans torturing anyone, anywhere, at anytime a complete contradiction and negation of what a TRUE AMERICAN should stand for?
I believe I read “LIFE, LIBERTY, & THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS” somewhere… Should that only apply to an AMERICAN or should we be a shining example of righteousness???
THE POINT is “do as I SAY not as I DO”
Mike’s not trying to crap on the soldiers. He’s saying Americans should be held to the same standards we are attempting to ESTABLISH, not creating havoc by doing the EXACT contrary and creating a scenario where ONCE AGAIN all we SAY is “we are trying to create democracy in the Middle East” and then torturing a person… who MAY BE a terrorist, who MAY BE a member of al queda, but in DOING the act, in BECOMING the equivalent of a terrorist, by torturing and spreading more hate and violence, WHO BECOMES THE MONSTER?
Think you conservative, conformist sycophants! Utilize that space between your ears!
If we become the same as al queda to “right the wrongs unleashed upon us” (see:9/11) then what have we become? Certainly not a warrior who defends freedom, liberty, free expression… and certainly not the pursuit of happiness. We have become no different than them if that happens. One CANNOT become the equivalent to the enemy by exploiting the same tactics and campaigns that only serve to spawn fear and distrust.
And don’t come back with “I see. Everyone should be HAPPY in ‘lib world’ “
NOT what I said. I said NO ONE SHOULD LIVE IN FEAR.
By Why Don't You Explain This Hidden Meaning Then?
June 22, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this
By Think B-4 You Speak! June 22, 2006 08:47 AM An objective mind wouldn’t look at this cartoon and jump to the conclusion that we are the same as al qaeda; however, I can see how the halfwits here get their outrage.
By George
June 22, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this
No matter how much cartoon boy warmed to this “idea,” even if it helped him to achieve an anti American erection, there are very few normal people that will consider this even remotely funny.
Andy, I hope that you are not including yourself as one of the “normal” ones.
By Let Me Step Aside
June 22, 2006 09:02 AM | Link to this
By SSDD June 22, 2006 08:53 AM Andy, andy, andy.
ML has already crapped on the troops and on the whole entire country of the United States of America.
You, dic-khead, can talk to all the outraged people that will be coming here today, coming here to help you settle into your new policy statement.
I’ll let them speak.
By getalife
June 22, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this
Well Mike, if you look at the poll count you will see new visitors here today from the lgf
Emotions are high, the gloves are coming off and the nation is divided. Casey says to begin to withdraw the troops so there is good news today.
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this
STDS,
That 8:53 does a fine job of encapsulating the loopy position you seem to share with ml, gttim, and a few others of your ilk. (doesn’t that word suck? appropriate though)
You accuse the American military of being a merry band of brutal torturers and then take the high road by pointing out that we shouldn’t do that. Now if the first point had any basis in fact the second would be true. Since it isn’t you are just a low-life anti-American slimebag like ml. Maybe I should now take the high road and lecture you on how we can’t rid the world of anti-American slimebags while you and ml are still plying your trade.
By w00t
June 22, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this
You, dic-khead, can talk to all the outraged people that will be coming here today, coming here to help you settle into your new policy statement.
Nice language. However, these “outraged” people are just as blind as you and refuse to see the truth for the “support” of your never-wrong party.
By John Anderson
June 22, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this
Just some more of the hate America crowd. Keep it up. Thanks for the campaign material.
By Shep
June 22, 2006 09:10 AM | Link to this
Is it just me, or are Liberal political cartoons becoming more and more like childish ‘this is what are! - stick tongue out ’ drawings than witty observations on current events?
By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent
June 22, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this
While this cartoon certainly comes close to crossing the line, it may be good to remember a few facts in relation to this war- We would likely not be involved in it had we not orchestrated torture. Early in the war in Afghanistan the CIA used rendition to transport a relatively high-level Al Queda suspect to Egypt with the intention of having him tortured. No, we probably weren’t the ones doing the torturing in that case, but we sent him to Egypt expressly for that purpose, because at that time Rumsfeld hadn’t expanded the torture guidelines for our military yet.
After being extensively tortured, this Al Queda operative spit out the information that Dick Cheney so desperately wanted to hear- that Al Queda was associated with Saddam and Iraq. Of course, it wasn’t true; the suspect just told the “interrogators” what they wanted to hear in order to avoid more suffering.
This information became central to the administration’s justification to go to war because there were so few credible links, actually none. So they went with what they had- false information tortured out of someone and false information given to them from a false source “inside” Iraq. They pushed this information through press leaks, the president’s state-of-the-union address, and Colin Powell’s address to the U.N.
Of course, since then the justification has gone from a connection to Al Queda to WMD’s to the liberation of an oppressed people, and about 30% of the country continues to buy (Danish/Granny?) any and every fabrication the administration creates.
No, our use of torture does not approach the brutality of Islamic extremists, but we do use it, and our use of it is responsible in large part for the war, 2500 American deaths, and 70,000+ civilian deaths.
By George
June 22, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this
Case in point
KABUL, Afghanistan - Afghan President Hamid Karzai urged the international community to reassess its approach to the war on terror Thursday, saying the deaths of hundreds of Afghans in fighting with U.S.-led forces was “not acceptable.”
By Bill Sluis
June 22, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this
A low blow against the fine Men and Women of the armed forces, to compare their service to the villainous and racsist, yes racist, actions of the Al Queida network worldwide. In africa the Al Queida have been a dogmatic driving force for the genocide in Sudan, in indonesia they have lead the slaughter of ethinc minorities and hindus. While America arrests and prosecutes her own for acts of violence and indictes 7 marines and 1 sailor for the death of an Iraqi citizen the Al Queda in Iraq attempt to stir the pot of civil war through car bombing the famed Golden Mosgue of the Shia and kiling mourners during funerals. The left’s dogmatic blindness is destroying their ability to govern this nation and guaranteeing a long era of Republican leadership. I am not worried about the 2006 congressional election, the American people know that a body of insular beauracrats, I.E. the Democrats, will not serve their interests nor have the strenght to protect Americans both here and abroad.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this
Why Don’t You Explain the Hidden Meaning - Well, normally, I don’t like to do people’s work for them, but in your case I’ll make an exception. However, I don’t think you are capable of stepping outside of your tight little box.
Look at their “utilities.” The Al Qaeda guy has a knife, while the good ole U.S. of A is wielding a PR (or billy club to you non-law enforcement or military types) and some rope (maybe wire).
This is probably a reference to Abu Ghraib. A logical, maybe even objective person, would look at the cartoon and think that it’s saying,”hey, we may do a little torture but you guys are downright ridiculous.”
Regardless of a little waterboarding or denial of sleep, it’s still torture. They just take it to a whole new level - thus etiquette book.
It’s actually kind of funny to me. But most of you have already demonstrated your need to overreact and try to fuel that rage by throwing in the two soldiers who were recently killed. That’s to be expected, afterall you are probably the same people who stand behind Bush so firmly. Iraq is an overreaction and it fits your MO.
By Mike
June 22, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this
I can’t believe that Lucko would actually compare US soldiers to Al Qaeda. Keep in mind that two American soldiers were just mutilated by Al Qaeda. Eyes guaged out, hearts cut out, etc. Does he really believe that it is equivalent? Just goes to show how far left Lucko really is. With the announcement that 500 lbs of chemical weapons were found in Iraq, another liberal theory goes to die. Not only does that prove that Saddam didn’t destroy all of his WMD’s after the Gulf War, it also shows that Hans Blix’s inspection teams failed their mission in Iraq. It will be interesting to see how the left reacts to this disclosure.
By w00t
June 22, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this
Yes, down with the flag, the troops suck… blah blah blah.
This is the only defense you guys have left. Any time someone makes a VALID point, they’re automagically deemed a lib and they hate America. Come on guys, you can do better than that.
What SSDD was saying is that we should hold ourselves (or the US government) to the same standards that we expect from other countries and terrorist groups that capture our troops and our civilians.
Maybe you guys forgot about the CIA prisons“>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/01/AR2005110101644.html) spread around the world.
Maybe the Geneva conventions just don’t apply to use, cause, oh I forgot, we’re in a time of war.
By LindaSoG
June 22, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this
What could possibly be worse than being captured by Al-Qaida operatives? What could be worse than your facial features cut off and/or mutilated, your genitals being chopped off, being beaten, and burned, your head sawed off with a kitchen knife, having your corpse dumped in the street, stuffed with explosives as a trap to kill your friends and countrymen who come to find you?
Why, being captured by the United States of America and having a pair of women’s panties put on your head! Or being threatened by a barking dog! Or being stacked with other naked terrorists into a pyramid. Or being put on a leash.
Sure its worse! Just ask Al-Qaida operative Mike Luckovitch
Al-Qaida would do the same to you, Mike, congratulations, today, you have promoted the enemy agenda and I’m sure Al-Qaida is grateful for your efforts on their behalf.
By Mark Rush
June 22, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this
Thank you for reminding me why I refused to renew my subscription.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this
Hey Mike - For you and everybody else that is going to bring up the “recently discovered” WMD. Read the rest of the story, (Paul Harvery voice for effect)! The WMDs that were found were produced during the early 90’s - well 90-91 to be exact. They were probably ineffective as weapons, and certainly not enough to threaten the U.S. with.
By Welcome Visitors!
June 22, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this
As you may have noticed there is a certain faction of pinko liberals that populate this blog and they are quite vocal about their anti American sentiments. Today they have been outed in the most major way and I don’t think they have realized how bad this is, comprehension is not really their strong point. They will continue to defend this filthy abomination of a cartoon because A) they are actually members of Al Qaeda, B) their hatred of the United States is impossible to suppress, C) They are too stupid to realize what they are saying.
It’s most likely a combination of all these factors but keep in mind this very important fact: They are a minuscule minority that hasn’t won an election outright in decades. They have been all but vanquished from power in this great country of ours.
Encourage them to keep these types of stupid hateful outbursts coming, every one of them helps us to rid the United States of this filthy disease called liberalism.
By gadem
June 22, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this
Way to try to open their closed little minds TBYS. Even after breaking it down to them, they will still say that it means something entirely different. I bet they have a horrible time at taking logic test.
By Steve
June 22, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this
Gee, and some say there’s a liberal bias in the media.
I don’t get it. The media’s clearly on the side of Al-Queda (you know that organization in Iraq that has no ties with Iraq?), but do you think that’s going to stop some terrorist from destroying some major blue-state city if they have the chance?
Oh well… I guess I’m trying to find logic in the warped minds of leftwing “thinkers”.
By SSDD
June 22, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this
By Let Me Step Aside June 22, 2006 09:02 AM | Link to this By SSDD June 22, 2006 08:53 AM Andy, andy, andy. ML has already crapped on the troops and on the whole entire country of the United States of America. You, dic-khead, can talk to all the outraged people that will be coming here today, coming here to help you settle into your new policy statement. I’ll let them speak.
Angry much?
Isn’t anger the path to the dark side? <— I believe Andy called me Yoda yesterday, so I thought I’d throw that in.
I don’t think for a split second that what happened to those two soldiers last week was OK. I don’t think that their murderers should be free. If it was the new “head” of A.Q. in Iraq that tortured and killed them, then yes, he needs to go just as Al Zarqawi needed to go. BUT. Does anyone else notice a PATTERN here?
A.Q. attacks U.S.
U.S. responds.
Chop down the current leader.
New one pops up.
Chop down consequent “leader”.
New one pops up.
Google “CHIMERA”
Maybe you’ll begin to see the POINT!
If something is broke, its time to try a different tactic.
I don’t want ANY MORE Americans to die for this B.S. war. Its total crap that our brave soldiers keep having to relinquish THEIR lives for ol’ Gee-golly-dubya. Where are his 2 kids? They are “of age” to be fighting. GO. FIGHT.
Where are all of you? If this war has such importance in your lives then GO. FIGHT.
“I was in _ while you were in diapers”. Fabulous. You procreate? Where are your kids? GO. FIGHT.
You people are so BLINDED by your rage and bloodlust you cannot see the CONSEQUENCES of your actions. Breathe “step aside”. WHOO-SAAAAH. And learn to think for yourself.
By McFarland
June 22, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this
So what you’re saying in this cartoon is that our troops and al qaeda are basically the same? What color are the clouds on your planet?
By Vatican Lectures
June 22, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this
The two GI’s were isolated at a checkpoint. HOW? WHY?
This is a symptom of an army without a mission. Our army is milling around in the sand, merely targets, and we will lose any war of attrition. Cheney himself estimated the insurgency numbers at 400k.
What is the mission of our troops in Iraq?
WHAT IS THE MISSION OF OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ????
By Gordon
June 22, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this
Daniel Pearl called. He says the U.S. is exactly the same as aQ. Nice work.
By John Greco
June 22, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this
Yeah.
Ask any of those Abu Ghraib detainees how they felt about having panties put on their heads and then ask Nick Berg how he felt about having his head sawed off while he was screaming and gurgling.
I’m sure the answers would be similar. “I felt so degraded.”
The fact that there are people out there who truly believe these actions are equivelant is sad.
I’m heartened, however, by the fact that the vast majority of the commenters here do not feel the same way.
The “hate America” crowd is not the majority. They just act like they are.
Cheers.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this
Frankly, I think we should finish this war a little old fashioned! Sent out some propoganda to all the villages in Iraq, announcing one last “showdown!” No weapons, hand-to-hand, Coalition troops vs. Al Qaeda and any other Haji that wants to play. When they show up ready to fight, carpet bomb the sh!t out of the place.
I guess the only problem is the cowards wont show.
By Mike
June 22, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this
Think before you speak, read my post. My point was that it proves that Saddam repeatedly lied by saying that he had destroyed all the WMD’s he had. No to mention that Hans Blix inspectors managed to miss 500 lbs of munitions. Now you are right, the weapons were probably ineffective as far as firing them from an artillery piece, however they still could have give the mustard and sarin gas to terrorists to use in the US. So while they munitions themselves might not have been a direct threat to the US, the gases within them were.
By You Reached This Conclusion Because You Are A Sicko
June 22, 2006 09:30 AM | Link to this
By Think B-4 You Speak! June 22, 2006 09:18 AM
But you are free to giggle to yourself, weirdo.
By Vatican Lectures
June 22, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this
WHAT
IS
THE MISSION
OF US TROOPS IN IRAQ????
(Mr. Right, you have the floor)
By @@
June 22, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this
By Think B-4 You Speak!
Why Don’t You Explain the Hidden Meaning - Well, normally, I don’t like to do people’s work for them..
You’re kidding right? It is amazing to me how people like you “create your own reality”. Why don’t you just tell us that you’re in bed with ml, but you’re not engaging in body contact.
The two soldiers above were “eventually killed, but only after suffering slow dismemberment.
I get a little water up my nose when I shower, but I’ll have the opportunity to shower tomorrow.
I’m not sure a shower would do you any good.
By Vatican Lectures
June 22, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this
WHAT IS THE MISSION OF OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ?
WHAT IS THE MISSION OF OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ?
WHAT IS THE MISSION OF OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ?
WHAT IS THE MISSION OF OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ?
By Pixie Stik
June 22, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this
Oh, I get it… Clarification is always good. A dozen US marines out of 130,000 stick underwear on the heads of terrorist prisoners and strip them naked and let dogs bark at them, and Al Qaeda barbarians slice of the heads and rip up the bodies of 2 US Marines and there you have it! Moral Equivalence. I GET NOW! OH my gosh. MR. Luckovich, congrats for clearing THAT ONE UP! You must have learned that at COLLEGE. Did you happen to study under the renouned scholarship of Noam Chompski, Juan Cole, or maybe Ward Churchill? You know Mike, If you were over in Iraq doing your clever and oh so thought provoking cartoons, you would be the first to lose your head to these animals no mater how FAIR and NUETRAL you may be. May I be the first to donate to your one way ticket… ;) Pixie
By Scott
June 22, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this
It’s sad that the chickenhawks who responded on this site would trivialize what “some” of our soldiers have done down to putting underwear on someone’s head.
Take your heads out of the sand people.
It’s not the Democrats fault we invaded Iraq; a non-terrorist state.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this
Mike - I know what you were doing, you were throwing it out there to try to get one up on the “liberals.” How do you know Saddam didn’t lie and really had no knowledge of such a small stock of WMDs. Saddam didn’t do anything small and everyone knows that - look at the 60 something palaces.
Mustard and Sarin gas would be pretty useless against our troops. The military has been prepared for a long time to deal with those gases - dating back to the first Gulf War. The military looks at mustard gas like you look at your nasal spray. Some of the hardcore military folks use it to deodorize their rooms. (just kidding). Sarin may be an issue, but, again, the military is prepared to handle that.
By w00t
June 22, 2006 09:38 AM | Link to this
Yes, damn Hans Blix and damn 168,754 sq mi of iraq to cover. I guess we should feed him to the sharks.
By SSDD
June 22, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this
Keep it up V.L.
I’d LOVE to hear today’s “talking point” answer.
By Natalie
June 22, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this
Perhaps now maybe the owners of AJC might begin to understand why their subscription base is dropping about 10% a year.
Any paper that would print a cartoon this distasteful about the very people defending your right to publish your liberal garbage doesn’t deserve to stay in business.
Perhaps the executives at AJC will grab a clue and show your despicable cartoonist the door.
Here’s hoping a few of America’s finest meet up with Mike at a bar when Iraq is through to have a little discussion. Now that I would pay to see.
By What Else Did The UN Miss?
June 22, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this
By Think B-4 You Speak! June 22, 2006 09:24 AM Hey Mike - For you and everybody else that is going to bring up the “recently discovered” WMD.
If Blix and all the other “inspectors” missed 500 artillery shells filled with chemical agents, what else did they miss?
Bush was right!
By Vatican Lectures
June 22, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this
WhatisthemissionofUSTROOPSinIRAQwhatisthemissionofUSTROOPSinIRAQwhatisthemissionofUSTROOPSinIRAQwhatisthemissionwhatisthemissionwhatisthemissionwhatisthemission.
I ASKED WHAT THE MISSION IS OF US TROOPS IN IRAQ??
Educate me, MR. RIGHT. I promise that if you can enunciate a mission, I will support it.
By Seeking storage space
June 22, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this
Think B-4 You Speak!-The US government would like to store these 500 sarin and nerve gas shells. Since you have information that they are harmless we will be delivering them to you this afternoon.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this
@@ - Settling yourself down. I’m not in bed with anyone except my wife. I know the two soldiers were eventually killed - I read the news too.
“People like me”, huh? What kind of people would that be? People that disagree with you maybe, or is it people that think for themselves? And what reality did I creat
By Mike
June 22, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this
Vatican Lectures, the mission of our troops in Iraq is to provide security for the Iraqi goverment while they stand up and can function. There were three Humvee’s at the checkpoint when it was initially ambushed. The other two went to persue the enemy. They made a mistake by leaving behind the third Humvee, but the point is your facts are incorrect.
By Vatican Lectures
June 22, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this
NAPOLEON himself couldn’t come up with a viable military mission in the middle east.
WHAT IS THE MISSION OF US TROOPS IN IRAQ?
I swear that I will support ANY mission statement not arrived at with circular logic, lipsynched W speak, or RightSpin.
You will have a very powerful, and creative convert, Mr. Right, if you can define a mission for US troops in Iraq.
By Dennis
June 22, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this
This cartoon is really twisted. What’s wrong with you Luckovich?
By Scott
June 22, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this
REGARDING THOSE FOUND WMD’s
Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”
The Bush administration commissioned the Iraq Survey Group to determine whether in fact any WMD existed in Iraq. After a year and half of meticulously combing through the country, here’s what the administration’s own inspectors reported:
While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible Indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter, a policy ISG attributes to Baghdad’s desire to see sanctions lifted, or rendered ineffectual, or its fear of force against it should WMD be discovered.
But, many of you would take the word of Santorum because he’s a Republican, and you are desperately trying to find any excuse for this atrocity of a war.
By OUR MISSION IN IRAQ
June 22, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this
VATICAN SCREAMER,
THIS IS THE MISSION OF OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ
please repeat three times
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this
What Else - I’m not sure what else they missed to be honest. But I CAN tell you that it takes a he-ll of a lot more than 500 lbs. to threaten a country. He-ll, a 500 lb. bomb didn’t even kill Zarqawi right away. As a matter of fact, didn’t they drop two.
By Emma
June 22, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this
You can judge the success of an editorial cartoon by how much outrage it inspires in the conventional thinkers, people who are handed their opinions broken down into manageable pieces and prechewed and predigested by the mouthpieces of power.
Good job, Mike!
(By the way, kids, liberals have been out of power since 1969. Don’t you think it’s about time to own up to your own messes?)
By Mack
June 22, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this
George, let’s not be disingenous here - it’s pretty clear that Al-Ansar Islam headed up by Al-Zarqwari operated in Iraq before we went in, and would not have been able to do so without the tacit approval of Saddam Hussein.
Torture and mutilation of the enemy has always been an Al Qaeda hallmark; it’s pretty clear that there is not a cause and affect relationship between our use of stress interrogation and AQ’s propensity toward mutilation and torture as a psychological weapon. Think Somalia and the acts of AQ beheading cells in Chechnaya, both of which happened during the Clinton administration.
More importantly, I also think that the fact that the media, human rights organizations and individual human rights advocates such as yourself have not been loudly and vigorously condemning Al Qaeda atrocities in Iraq is a not-so-subtle form of racism. To accept their actions as reactionary and to suggest that such behavior is acceptable is to deny their responsibility for the atrocities, to deny their humanity and capacity to know barbarism from universally held standards of behavior.
To condone their behavior is ipso facto to imply that barbarism is part of the Arab culture, which is no different than saying that the welfare culture is simply part of the black culture, or that a lack of higher education is simply reflective of the charm of hispanic laid-back culture.
To fail to condemn atrocities committed by Arabs is part of the “cycle of violence”; terror is a tactic that is working for them, and they suffer no consequence for their actions, no bad press, no international condemnation. If world opinion turned against them and they were punished in the press as the Americans are for every alleged infraction, terror as a tactic would be far less attractive, as public opinion is the oxygen the “insurgents” breathe.
By Kapow!
June 22, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this
Wow. those “WMD’s really do constitiute an American threat! We’re lucky Saddam didn’t personally throw them at our country.
By Scott
June 22, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this
“This cartoon is really twisted.”
No, war is twisted. This cartoon is just telling the truth.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this
Seeking storage space - I see somebody else here is stuck inside a little box. I’d be glad to take on 500 lbs. of Sarin gas, so send it on over. I can just call some HazMat buddies who have the same MOPP gear (those funny suits and gas mask for you non-law enforcement or military folks) that the military uses.
I never said it wasn’t harmless, I said it would pose a huge threat to our military - especially such a small stash.
By TS
June 22, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this
And this after two soldiers were tortured (and mutilated and slaughtered). Those two soldiers experienced REAL TORTURE…not sleep deprivation, not kneeling in an uncomfortable position, not cold or hot temperatures, not a dog barking in their face…but REAL TORTURE, Mike Luckovich!!! MAYBE YOU SHOULD LEARN THE DIFFERENCE! YOU DISGUST ME! Those soldiers were fighting for your freedom too you idiot! Read up on the global Jihad and maybe a light will dawn in your little mind, or is it that you are just on the other side??? I hope the AJC has the good sense to never carry your trash again!
By w00t
June 22, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this
Someone post a link to this 500lbs of chemical weapons found in Iraq.
By finch
June 22, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this
What a jac-k off. How can this abomination of a cartoon be our problem?
Where did I say it was YOUR problem?? Maybe you should get some English lessons along with that dictionary.
Look at the big picture, moron. This ‘toon sucks, but if the US weren’t in Iraq, fighting a useless war against enemies that weren’t there until the invasion, THESE MEN WOULDN’T BE DEAD.
You are such a pathetic whining loser. Go play with yourself. It’s what you do best.
By Richard Andrzeicik
June 22, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this
Some of our ignorant soldiers made detainees put underwear on their heads or create a human pyramid. Terrorists poked out our soldiers eyes, castrated them, broke their arms then cut out their hearts.
Hardly a parallel, Mr. Luckovich and the rest of you morons at the Atlanta Journal-Prostitution
By Scott
June 22, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this
“Bush was right!”
About what? His report and he himself admitted that WMD’s don’t exist.
Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”
The Bush administration commissioned the Iraq Survey Group to determine whether in fact any WMD existed in Iraq. After a year and half of meticulously combing through the country, here’s what the administration’s own inspectors reported:
While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible Indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter, a policy ISG attributes to Baghdad’s desire to see sanctions lifted, or rendered ineffectual, or its fear of force against it should WMD be discovered.
But, you would rather take the word of a man who’s so far behind in the polls he’ll say anything to get re-elected. You’d beleive him over Bush’s Iraq Survey Group, Bush himself, the pre-war inspectors, and the State Department.
Go figure.
By @@
June 22, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this
Now the liberals get to define WMD’s? So predictable.
ml, would you please throw your leg over TB-4YS under the covers. I can’t decide if he/she is wanton or just wantin’.
By TS
June 22, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this
To Dennis…the mission is to fight the global Jihad you idiot! In case you hadn’t heard, Zarqawi, you remember him, right, heh….he fled Afghanistan when we went to fight Al-Queda there after the yattacked us on 9-11…remember that? Why not read up on the global jihad…just read the news about Southern Sudan, all throughout the middle east, Malaysia, Indonesia, (see what non-Muslims lives are like there and weep), Sub-saharan Africa, Chechnya, Kashmir….I think that will be enough to inform you.
By Scott
June 22, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this
“Someone post a link to this 500lbs of chemical weapons found in Iraq.”
Don’t have a link, but here’s one showing a response from the Defense Department.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/21/dod-disavows-santorum
By 8:03, Moron
June 22, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this
By w00t June 22, 2006 09:49 AM Someone post a link to this 500lbs of chemical weapons found in Iraq.
By Midori
June 22, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this
What is going on here today?
Invasion of the Idiots?
By GodHatesTrash
June 22, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this
Oh Mike - you done did it - the heathen rage today - thirsty for your blood, the spawn of lynchmobbers and slave rapers are beside themselves - in trailer parks all over the hills and molehills of Atlanta they gather, practicing their noose knots and drinkin’ ‘shine from Mason jars as they curse the Luckovich name…
The redneck and breathes lives for violence and revenge, the innocent blood of tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians is not nearly enough, they want yours, too, Mike.
There is much wailing and moaning today about these poor soldiers, some of it real, but bottomline we must face this - the redneck cared far more for his fear, his paranoia, gas for his SUV, and most important his insatiable spectator lust for blood vengeance than he ever did for the lives of these soldiers, or they wouldn’t have been in Iraq in the first place.
By Midori
June 22, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this
There you have it, the cartoon says it all. According to the liberals, the United States is no better than Al Qaeda. Can it be made more plain to see?
now you’re catching on, Moron.
By Vatican Lectures
June 22, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this
Any military offensive campaign must have a real world, communicable strategic geo-political objective. Otherwise, we’d still be fighting those martians that didn’t land in 1936’s WAR OF THE WORLD’S radio broadcast that had all the redstaters fooled. (At this point (40 months) in WW2, the war in europe was already over).
To state that our army’s mission is to “withdraw when Iraq can govern, sustain, and defend itself” is not a military mission that any army in history could deploy for. It’s a political scientist’s wet dream and a nice civics lesson, but not a military mission for an army, because what you are doing is creating an evolving definition of what constitutes war, military action, offensive campaigns, and ultimately victory.
In other words, Iraq’s green zone bubble-boy government is merely the shadow of a tank battalion. It will disappear when the tank moves.
WHAT IS THE MISSION OF OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ??
By Scott
June 22, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this
“the mission is to fight the global Jihad you idiot!”
The mission was to fight Iraq(Saddam). Terrorism was an excuse. If you still don’t get this then I feel sorry for you.
By Getitright
June 22, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this
WAY over the line, Mikey. Embarassing, low blow, cheap shot, aid & comfort to the enemy. Two questions. 1. How many terrorists have been killed and mutilated while in US custody? 2. How many US soldiers have been killed and mutilated after being kidnapped by the terrorists? Answers, 1. Zero 2.All of Them. Compare that in one of your precious little hate-filled, propaganda cartoons.
By Natalie
June 22, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this
Let’s hope Luckovich is the first one on American soil to feel the rusty blade when the left’s buddies like Zwahiri saw Mikey’s little set of balls off and shove them down his throat.
I’ve found what goes around, comes around in time.
By hello my big big honey!
June 22, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this
google:
Hello My Big Big Honey!
and you’ll read an alternative to this debate — and a true story…
By finch
June 22, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this
Defense Department Disavows Santorum’s WMD Claims
Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”
Fox’s Alan Colmes broke the news to Santorum.
Watch it.
(hat tip to Fox News)
The NeoCons continue to bleat about WMDs that even President Bush says did not exist at the time of the 2003 invasion.
The desperate scramble of extremists eager to defend this war at the expense of the truth is perverted.
By forest hunter
June 22, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this
The only reason I answered no was because there wasn’t an “are you out of your f*ing mind, HELL NO!”, listed.
By Thomas
June 22, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
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WoW —-
Now that cartoon takes a deep stab at current events. Good job Mike, but definitly expect a lot of the “Psuedo—Patriotic” flak and spam litany.
I like the way you make the Geneva Conventions “rules of engagement issue” a part of this cartoon. Yes indeed - We try to follow the rules in the USA when the Al-Crapeda does not it makes us want to not follow the rules anymore.
Of course the main opposing take on the cartoon is the fact that we torture just like them. Well folks! Face it! We do torture! Gitmo, secret bases, it doesn’t matter - It is still Torture! We just like to say we are “Nice” about it.
Some would say that our torture methods are humane, whereas others would say we shouldn’t torture at all. Well there are no humane methods of torture and there are certainly always going to be events during conflict that give the appearance of torture! The question in the future will eventually come down to can we live with our dark side? Can we live with our choices?
Torture and barbarism is nothing new to our country, Witch Burnings, Trail of Tears, Japanese interrment, etc. In reality there is no society in the universe that has not at some point in time committed a barbaric act. What we learn from these events are ways to improve our society to be more civilized.
Al-Qaueda is far from being civilized, so NO in reality we are not anything like them and their barabaric methods such as be-headings. However, we must not stoop down to their level, and we should always watch for our own people that justify our acts of barabarism because the enemy does it too.
Mike — Your cartoon definitly is a good one, as it is a reminder, maybe even a wake up call, that we should always check our own actions lest they too become inhumane acts. Our actions are viewed more critically as we are a super-power nation, and the world looks at us as the big country beating up on a smaller weaker country, even if our actions are justified.
We should always check our actions and make sure they stand above all in morality. If we go forward arrogantly and say we can do this because - well - uhh - because we can and no one can stop us.. Then once again we smear our own honor by abusing our status in the world as a world leader.
If we justify the acts of our dark side, then yes we too will be no better than “THEM”.
Good cartoon Mike — Controversial - but that’s what makes it good.
-=-
By SSDD
June 22, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
*By RW-(the original) June 22, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this STDS, You accuse the American military of being a merry band of brutal torturers and then take the high road by pointing out that we shouldn’t do that. *
Really RW? What part? A “merry band”? God you are pathetic. “YOU DON’T AGREE WITH ME I HATE YOU HATE YOU HATE YOU”
Don’t come at me with such utter B.S. and tell me I need to support YOU and YOURS by blindly following the current administration. And NO, I don’t mean the soldiers over there fighting. I would never classify them as such. I mean the talking heads and political pundits. The internet bloggers that hide behind a screen all day screaming to all that America must win this war! America must be victorious! WHEN? WHERE will it END? How will it END? When do our troops get to come home? PERMANENTLY?!
No American should be in Iraq facing such horrid conditions and possible death by torture, IED, random bombing or street gunfight. They need to be home. Securing our borders. Maybe then the U.S. gov’t would be using the money spent on the WAR by funding, oh I dunno, the CIA or FBI or NSA or any other “alphabet” organization that can get to the ROOT of the problem and stop killing the insignificant A.Q. “soldiers”.
How do you sleep at night knowing there are American men and women giving their lives everyday to a war with no end in sight? They should be at home. LIVING. Not standing in the middle of a desert waiting to be attacked.
By Vatican Lectures
June 22, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this
All the 911 hijackers died on 911. Who are we fighting? What is the mission of our troops in Iraq?
WHAT IS THE MISSION OF OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ????
WHAT IS THE MISSION OF OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ???
By What Don't You Understand?
June 22, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this
By Scott June 22, 2006 09:50 AM While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991.
And teams and teams of UN “inspectors” couldn’t find them.
What else did they miss?
Or should I say, what else did they not notice (wink, wink?)
Bush was right!
By @@
June 22, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this
You can judge the success of an editorial cartoon by how much outrage it inspires in the conventional thinkers, people who are handed their opinions broken down into manageable pieces and prechewed and predigested by the mouthpieces of power.
Emma:
It’s fundamental decency my dear. That’s probably why you’re having such a hard time comprehending.
BTW, the government doesn’t feed me, nor do I want it to. I’m self-sufficient through a capitalist society. Dont’cha just hate it.
By w00t
June 22, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this
*By 8:03, Moron
June 22, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this
By w00t June 22, 2006 09:49 AM Someone post a link to this 500lbs of chemical weapons found in Iraq.*
Wow, ask a simple question get a stupid response. Good work, keep up that right wing stereotype.
If you cant provide me with one, then just tell me. Otherwise don’t post.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this
@@ - Seriously?! Who defined WMDs? It wasn’t me, I’m just going by what they found. Mustard gas is hardly a WMD, it’s more of a nuisance than anything. Come to think of it, it would be a good torture tool.
I’m a He by the way! And I LOVE the way you debate. Nothing to say, so you come up with some stupid insinuation that I’m in bed with Luckovich. You are genius, @@ - pure genius!
By Scott
June 22, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this
We get it. You Bush lovers think it’s okay to torture; just as long we do it the American way.
Well, us liberals believe it’s un-American to torture in any way.
Somehow my way seems more Christian. We’ll see.
By Getitright
June 22, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this
Hey, Emma. As of 10:00, over 92% of the people expressing an opinion don’t like this cartoon. This is makes a pretty good argument that anti-American hero Mikey went too far on this one. Think about it. We’re maybe 50/50 liberal/conservative, but 92% don’t like it. This is just a piece of propaganda for the murdering terrorists.
By Mack
June 22, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this
Vatican Lectures - you’re a putz. Foreign internal defense (FID) is a legitimate military mission, and has been so for almost all of recorded military history.
If you insist on making pronouncements on subjects you know absolutely nothing about, at least make it something that involves hot sweaty monkey sex and lots of gratuitous co-ed nudity - that would make you more of a hero and less of a goat.
By w00t
June 22, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this
Wow, see this is EXACTLY what the cartoon is about. We are AMERICANS, and we are better than this:
*By Natalie
June 22, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this
Let’s hope Luckovich is the first one on American soil to feel the rusty blade when the left’s buddies like Zwahiri saw Mikey’s little set of balls off and shove them down his throat.
I’ve found what goes around, comes around in time.*
We’re not eye-for-an-eye because thats what makes us better than the terrorist and people like that. If we bring ourselves down to their level, then the terrorist have won.
By Dennis
June 22, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this
To Mr. Lu-cko-vich underwear on the head and cutting off the head are the same thing.
By Occasional Reader
June 22, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this
The mere fact that Luckovich is free to publish this cartoon without fear of reprisal points up the imbecility of his “argument”. (And I use that term loosely.) But anybody who is too obtuse to not notice the difference between us and our enemies is really not worth engaging in reasoned debate. It’s like trying to have a conversation about higher mathematics with someone who insists 2+2=22.
By Vatican Lectures
June 22, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this
Ohhhh! The mission is to fight the global Jihad. Why didn’t you say so the first time? That’s a horse of a different color. You mean the ancient tribal civil war there (you know, the one that’s 10K years old, and which contains intersecting subsets of the sectarian civil war, and which has tribal alliances across every single border involving cartographically split tribes and populations and vendettas that go back to adam and eve….BTW: why didn’t god create 72 eves for adam? That’s the one thing that made me a godless liberal, it just doesn’t add up, if there was a god, then wouldn’t adam have 72 eves?? unless the global jihad stopped god….)
You’re right. History is for historians and liberals. It IS easier to just say, “global jihad”, hello!
I feel better, thanx pal.
Got any peyote?
By Bob W
June 22, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this
Mr. Lukovich,
You are a spiteful, evil-minded little man. Do you know that old saying “What goes around, comes around”? I wonder what’s coming around for you…
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this
occasional reader - 2+2 DOES = 2(2)
By If The Shoe Fits...
June 22, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this
By w00t June 22, 2006 10:02 AM By 8:03, Moron June 22, 2006 09:54 AM By w00t June 22, 2006 09:49 AM Someone post a link to this 500lbs of chemical weapons found in Iraq Wow, ask a simple question get a stupid response. Good work, keep up that right wing stereotype. If you cant provide me with one, then just tell me. Otherwise don’t post.
The message got to it’s intended recipient without any confusion, didn’t it?
I was just trying to simplify the matter, jeez.
P.S. For all you idiots talking about 500 pounds of WMD, also saying it was a tiny amount, the article says 500 artillery shells and other devices, you clods.
Can’t you get anything right?
Bush can!
By Dr Christopher Smith
June 22, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this
I commend the AJC for its courage, and Mike Luckovich for his, in publishing this cartoon. Torture is always a crime—waterboarding, beatings, electric shocks, and other physical abuse at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib are torture, and render our loyal troops vulnerable to like treatment.
We are a great nation and great nations cannot remain so via the use of torture. To those in the comments thread above—it is easy to be macho when you are not yourself threatened. To espouse torture is both evil and cowardly.
Most sincerely,
Chris Smith
By Brian Jones
June 22, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
Come on neo-cons, nowhere does it say that everyone in America has to support everything the administration does and has done. Nowhere is it writen that during a war, we have to kiss the posteriors of the men in charge and say nothing bad about terrible practices that our people have engaged in. I’m so sorry that the wars before you were fought with such a great propaganda machine that we so thoroughly dehumanized our opponents lowering them to the level of insects on your moral radar. Nuke a whole city to send them a message? Sure, who cares, not like anyone lives there, just a bunch of japs. Its a new world and you and your war-profit cronies can’t get the annonymous, guiltless war your father and grandfather got.
Do I hate our troops? Hell no. Our boys are fighting in a foreign land, bullets whizing by everyday. One of my best friends is in the middle of it facing daily threat of exploded death. I support them and their resolve to carry on. But I don’t think that they are excused to degrade and dehumanize anyone, nor are they allowed to murder civilians.
Do I think we never should have gone to Iraq? Once again, no. Saddam, as his trial has shown is a crazed bastard with no regard for anyone. His sons would have been worse if he’d been left in place. I do however think that we should have been honest with our motives. WMDs, spreading democracy, liberation… whatever. Saddam was a bastard and we wanted him deposed… ah honesty. There is no shame in it. America is a world power, we can change the global situation, so we do. Its time we start being honest with why we do things. Nothing is more cowardly than lying to get what you want.
Conservatives, go ahead and call ol Humanistic Jones here a dirty lefty liberal whiner because I’m calling you out on this. I support tax cuts and shrinking big government. I’m all for keeping the government out of private business and letting Capitalism work. I feel that America needs a strong military. I just don’t think that we should lie and commit our own warcrimes to get what we want.
Liberals, go ahead and call me a whackjob neo-con appologist because I support the ideal of why we should have gone to war and the troops fighting in it. I believe in keeping the government out of morality. I believe in separating church and state. I believe in human rights and not dehumanizing others based on race, religion, sex, sexual preference, or national origin. I just don’t agree with you that nothing should have been done.
Both of you need to get out of your ivory towers of ignorance and get some world perspective. Stop defining yourselves with terms used to define French Politicians economic views from the 19th Century (yes, leftist and rightist BOTH). Stop thinking liberal==democrat and conservative==republican because you both fall short of that universal logical transference.
If any of you can count on your hands in binary, I’m sending you all a 4.
By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent
June 22, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
In this cartoon we know that under the hood of the guy on the left is an Islamic extremist. I would make the guess that the guy under the hood on the right is a Republican Fundamentalist Christian Conservative (the same people complaining here today). No, it’s not the liberals who are in league with the terrorists; it’s that Fundamentalist Republicans are almost the exact same thing- war mongering religious zealots bent on spreading their ideology who just happen to use more civilized torture guidelines.
By Occasional Reader
June 22, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this
“Good cartoon Mike — Controversial - but that’s what makes it good.”
The anti-Semitic cartoons published in “Der Sturmer” in the 1930s were also controversial. So I guess they were, by definition, “good”. Right?
This sort of “thinking” is why I no longer refer to myself as a liberal.
By TS
June 22, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this
This cartoon is not about Iraq, but about comparing American soldiers to Al-Qaeda. Which is a sad commentary about the left. But it has opened my eyes to just how much leftists hate America and especially hate American soldiers. (you would expect to see this cartoon in an Islamist propaganda newspaper) And I think you all hope that America loses the war on terror, which just blows my mind because obviously you do not know what non-Muslims suffer in Muslim-dominated countries..hell you do not know what Muslims suffer in Muslim-dominated countries. I think you should all start reading the news about what is happening around the world pertaining to Jihad. Because it won’t end when Bush is no longer President, just as it began way before he was President. So then, what do you propose? Ignore it? Pretend it’s not happening, like you do now? Or face it, but blame America, or Israel, or Russians in Chechnya, or Hindus in Kashmir, Or Buddhists in Southern Thailand, or black Africans in Sudan etc. etc. etc….I’m starting to think you are just on the other side and you have no answers because you want the Jihad to win. Which is sick.
By Ted Reitsma
June 22, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this
Mike, you wannabe Ted Rall, go phuck yourself. You are a piece of trash. I guess this paper really is the Al-Jazerra Constitution with artwork like this. You are an anti-american and a socialist.
By cowardly cowboy from crawford
June 22, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this
It’s called free speech and you reptiles should get used to it. Of course most repugs never serve in the military unless they got a cushy job, you won’t find many putting their sorry as*es in harms way. Republican = coward. Other priorities, Daddy get me out of Nam, I would have joined but they wouldn’t let me hehehe. I say bring back the draft with no deferrments and let the fun begin. They just raised the age you can join to 42.
By Arkenhill
June 22, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this
DIAF (Die in a Fire). No, I would not kill you and I would not hope that you would die anytime soon, much less in a fire. But that will be my happy thought for the day. Crackle, crackle, (scream), crackle…..
By Vatican Lectures
June 22, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this
FID? The military mission of our army is “foreign internal defense”: To provide a safe place where western democracy can breathe in the middle east.
So you’re saying that the guiding overall strategic objective is, “Lebensraum”?
THEN that means W really was reading “Mein Pet Kampf” on 911 in that elementary school classroom.
Foreign Internal Defense: Defend Iraqis from Iraqis? Defend Iraqis from US TROOPS? Defend Iraqis from Iranians?
WHAT IS THE MISSION OF US TROOPS IN IRAQ.
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this
STDS,
Should I go through your post and highlight all the things I didn’t specifically say too? If I just repeated verbatim what you said rather than giving you my interpretation what kind of a discussion would that be?
I hardly think our military, the same military that has given the foundations of freedom to 50 million people in Iraq and Afghanistan and hundreds of millions of others around the world over the years, is standing in the desert with a thumb up their a-ss waiting to be attacked.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this
Very observant of you If the Shoe Fits! So the stock is probably even smaller than 500 lbs.
By Occasional Reader
June 22, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this
“I commend the AJC for its courage, and Mike Luckovich for his, in publishing this cartoon.”
It required no courage whatsoever to publish this cartoon. Courage is manning a checkpoint in Ramadi.
By Timmy
June 22, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this
So, Dr. Smith, you have no problem lumping us with Al-Qaeda. Your liberal mentality is sickening.
By w00t
June 22, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this
YOU’RE ALL BLIND!
Did ANY of you see this??
THE POINT is “do as I SAY not as I DO”
THINK before you SPEAK, use your brain if it hasnt been completely brainwashed yet.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this
TS - I’m glad you asked. I acutally have two proposals. The first is, commit to what we are doing over there by deploying the forces necessary to accomplish the mission. The second, which is my ideal proposal, is to secure OUR borders and spend the billions on the technology and resources necessary to prevent attacks on our soil.
By w00t
June 22, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this
Ah, yes, brainwashed with “how to spin a story” as the main subject. It’s all coming to me now.
By Vatican Lectures
June 22, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
TS: Luckovich is comparing torture to torture.
BTW: your comment never came to a conclusion. you only set up several disjointed premises. SO we are in Iraq because of what muslims do to muslims? That’s a mission? Stop it, you’re torturing me.
By Thomas
June 22, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
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To Brian Jones —-
Great post!~!
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By SSDD
June 22, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this
Really RW?
And yeah. I think you should grow a pair and respond.
“what kind of discussion that would be”
Dare you.
By TS
June 22, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this
To Vatican Lectures…maybe you should read Colon Powell’s statement to the UN about Iraq before we went went to war there…he mentioned Zarqawi fleeing there and many Al-Qaeda soldiers gaining safe haven there. Just because the you want to define us going to Iraq as only pertaining only to WMD doesn’t mean its true…I’ll make it easy for you…read the statement here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030205-1.html Here’s a choice quote from Powell, “When our coalition ousted the Taliban, the Zarqawi network helped establish another poison and explosive training center camp. And this camp is located in northeastern Iraq.”
By Mike
June 22, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this
It is amusing about this blog is that no matter what Lucko posts, the left wingers will recite the same talking points everyday and the right wingers will do the same. The left can’t admit that finding 500 artillery shells of WMD’s disproves Saddams claims that he destroyed all of his WMD’s or Hans Blix’s claims that Saddam had no WMD’s. The right wingers won’t admit that there have been some terrible mistakes made in Iraq. Should we as Americans be above torture? Yes we should. I personally don’t support the use of torture or the death penalty for that matter, however there is no comparison between Al Qaeda and the US. Period. And for the Voice of Dissent, to compare terrorists to Republicans is shameful. By the way where was the outrage from the world community over two of our soldiers being mutilated? I guess it is no as bad as what is happening in Gitmo.
By Brian Jones
June 22, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this
Italic: *Ted Reitsma: Mike, you wannabe Ted Rall, go phuck yourself. You are a piece of trash. I guess this paper really is the Al-Jazerra Constitution with artwork like this. You are an anti-american and a socialist.
TS: Which is a sad commentary about the left. But it has opened my eyes to just how much leftists hate America and especially hate American soldiers.*
Ah for the love of everything not stupid. People like this are exactly what I’m talking about. The moment its something they don’t agree with, its nothing but Lefty! You hate America! and now… wait… socialist? How does this comic or anything Mike does portray him as being a supporter of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to social control. He disagrees with Americans torturing people and says that its just as bad as what they’re doing. Want to get out the broad black and white generalizations? Okay, try this one. We are the Good Guys. The Bad Guys are the ones that kill innocents and torture their captives. The Good Guys don’t do that. A hero might put himself at the disadvantage by not using every means to gain a foothold, but he always has the hearts of the people no matter where he goes, so much so that even the villain’s brainwashing of his people can’t hold. There’s a generalization for you. If you wanted a hero’s welcome, you shouldn’t have taken a villain’s route in.
By Midori
June 22, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this
If it’s Not Torture, Then it’s OK To Use it on Cheney by Kirk Caraway
“We do not torture.”
That’s what President George W. Bush said, and we can believe him, right? After all, that whole water boarding thing is just a walk in the park. Here is how CIA sources described this technique to ABC News:
“The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner’s face and water is poured over him.
Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.”
And it seems to work pretty well. Another passage from the ABC story:
“According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in.
They said al-Qaida’s toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess.”
Wow. Two-and-a-half minutes to get the truth. Not bad.
Perhaps the Justice Department could use this to speed up some investigations that are taking forever. How about that two-year investigation into who leaked Valerie Plame’s CIA status?
Stick Karl Rove on the water board and we can see who really leaked what in just a couple of minutes. That would be fair, wouldn’t it? After all, his boss says it’s not torture, right?
And how about this whole question about whether we were lied into the war in Iraq. I bet Dick Cheney would have the answer for that one, though the water board may be tough on his bad heart. At least we would know for sure if 2,120+ brave Americans died for a lie.
Just for fun, we could strap Bill Clinton to the water board and find out a whole lot on what happened during his term in the White House. That’s one interrogation people would pay big money to see on pay-per-view.
Think of all the situations this could be used for. Hook up Tom DeLay, see if he really did break Texas campaign laws. Get the Halliburton executives in there and ask what happened to all our money. Stick O.J. Simpson on the water board and find out if he killed his ex-wife.
Remember, it’s not torture. Bush says so.
Of course, this method isn’t foolproof. The confessions obtained this way aren’t exactly trustworthy.
The ABC story recounts how one subject was water boarded into claiming Iraq helped train al-Qaida members to use biochemical weapons. This information then was used by the Bush Administration to justify the war. As it turns out, the subject had no knowledge of such training, and he fabricated the story in order to stop the treatment.
“This is the problem with using the water board. They get so desperate that they begin telling you what they think you want to hear,” a source told ABC.
So maybe we weren’t lied into war, just water boarded into it.
At least it’s not torture. Bush said so. And we can believe him, right? Perhaps he can volunteer for the water board and prove he’s telling the truth.
Kirk Caraway is Internet Editor for the Nevada Appeal. Email to: kcaraway@nevadaappeal.com
By Lisa
June 22, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this
But you support the troops? Right, Luckovich?
By Mike
June 22, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this
Vatican, you have been give multiple legitimate mission for our soldiers in Iraq. Security is a military mission. It is obvious you have already made up your mind on this issue, so there is no point in you asking that question. You have a political agenda you are pushing and no matter what anyone posts, you will disagree with it. So why don’t you actually try to debate the issues instead.
By getalife
June 22, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this
finch,
This is how the GOP has mislead Americans all along. You are correct on the twisted political stunt they tried to pull yesterday.
From the final CIA report on no WMF’s in Iraq:
Another addendum also noted that military forces in Iraq may continue to find small numbers of degraded chemical weapons — most likely misplaced or improperly destroyed before the 1991 Gulf War. In an insurgent’s hands, “the use of a single even ineffectual chemical weapon would likely cause more terror than deadlier conventional explosives,” another addendum said.
The sheep still believe. Amazing.
By D. Herman
June 22, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this
Your poll has been posted on the radically liberal website, Democratic Underground, with instructions for skewing. This site is a collection of over-aged hippies, burned out druggies and basement radicals who think that manipulating polls proves a point. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1483151
By TS
June 22, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this
To Vatican Lectures I see, you just want to admire your own smug comments. Good enough.
By Does this idiot think artillery shells are bb's?
June 22, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this
Very observant of you If the Shoe Fits! So the stock is probably even smaller than 500 lbs.
By Lisa
June 22, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this
Fruitloops for breakfast or having eyes gouged out and beheaded? Hmmm, which is torture. According to the left, the Fruitloops are considered grounds for help from Amnesty International! Some perpendicular universe they must live in!
By ThatSteveGuy
June 22, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this
That’s the problem with the left, they hate their own society so badly that they will make any moral equivilance or downright lie to denigrate it. They could care less about our own soldiers or any other deaths, they just want to score political points. Their are of course the exceptions, those liberals that are truly vacuous enough to believe that violence would end if the most advanced societies in the world would just go away…
Prove of the above is in the strange alliance of leftwing groups with hardline islamics, groups with absolutely NOTHING in common, almost diametrically opposite, except on one issue: hatred of the West.
It’s intersting. You’ll notice that throughout history the left has attempted to claim the moral high ground while aligning itself with the most bloodthirsty killers on the planet, all in the name of destroying western civilization in favor of a system that has never once worked. How many people did Marxism and communism directly kill?
As for the artist, he’s just another leftist infant thinking he’s proving something by striking out against a group that will not only not retaliate, but will bleed and die to allow him his right to criticize… I’m guessing he doesn’t have much in his resume criticizing actually dangerous groups (politically or physically). Real hero there.
P.S. Did I really see a liberal claiming that conservatives were aiming for censorship? You need to check the record bub. Liberals own the market on pushing thought crime laws and censorships.
By getalife
June 22, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this
This cartoon was posted after Mike posted this
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this
STDS,
The only thing that resembles a question in your 10:30 is Really RW? and a repeat of a rhetorical question I gave you.
So should I grow this pair and just go on a free form, profanity laced, ad hominem attack like you usually do?
By Midori
June 22, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this
D. Herman,
give it a break
By Paige
June 22, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this
Liberals do not seem to understand we are at war with the “Terrorist.” I guess the Liberals still expect us to sit back and wait for another 091101 to take place. All the while, the Liberals scream and point fingers at others because they are obsessed with not being in power. War is not pretty and no one wants war but to attack American policy in the name of “political correctness” is not only absurd but callow as well as asinine. God Bless our Troops and our President.
By penny
June 22, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this
The cartoon is another example of the demented left. There is no moral equivalency between 30 years of global Islamofascist homicidal behavior and the behavior of, at best, a miniscule handful of American troops.
Of course, the cartoon also speaks to the hypocrisy of the MSM. It’s obvious that the same editors that refused to print, so as not to offend, the lame and insipid Mohammed cartoons had no problem running this illogical and offensive anti-American smear. The same hypocritcal editors will defend this cartoon as freedom of speech. Draw your own conclusions about the biases and agendas that the MSM operates under.
By TS
June 22, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this
I wonder what the left would say if we really did do to jihadists what was done to the two soldiers who were tortured; not water-boarded, but had their testicles cut off, eyes gouged out etc etc…I wonder if the left would just say, “ah just another day in the US military”? I highly doubt it, so they know they are full of s**t when they compare Al-Qaeda with American soldiers…but they hate Bush or hate America or hate American soldiers so much, (see how they call them stupid rednecks and such) that they JUST CANT RESIST drawing cartoons like this and defending cartoons like this! Well, bottom line, I hope the AJC decides to not carry garbage like this in the future, let Luckovich peddle his ‘commentary’ somewhere else! Like maybe Al-Risala, they would eat stuff like this up, especially done by an American! It would be a propaganda bonanza.
By Midori
June 22, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this
Paige,
stop pulling our legs — we know that you’re really Laura Bush.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this
Does this idiot think artillery shells are bb’s - No this idiots thinks artillery shells go right around 100 pounds each, that’s loaded with powder. Mortar shells (which are more likely considering Iraq doesn’t have a great deal of howitzers) go about 15-20 pounds.
By w00t
June 22, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this
I think you guys should read this
In a speech before the World Affairs Council of Charlotte, NC, on April 7, 2006, President Bush stated that he “fully understood that the intelligence was wrong, and [he was] just as disappointed as everybody else” when U.S. troops failed to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Also:
On September 30, 2004, the U.S. Iraq Survey Group Final Report concluded that, “ISG has not found evidence that Saddam Husayn (sic) possessed WMD stocks in 2003, but the available evidence from its investigation—including detainee interviews and document exploitation—leaves open the possibility that some weapons existed in Iraq although not of a militarily significant capability.”
By You say CatWoman I say Midori
June 22, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this
CatWoman,
Give it a break yourself. Say Hi to Emma I mean Harpy for me when you go back over there.
By Mike Chandler
June 22, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this
As usual, the main stream media sees no difference in our treatment of terrorist and Al Quaidas’ treatment of U.S. soldiers. Really? At least when our soldiers step outside our laws, there are subject to arrest and prosecution. What happens when Al Qaida commits such atrocities as what they did to the two soldiers recently? I know, the MSM blames America. How very ignorant and blind of you but then again what else should I expect?
By Mack
June 22, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this
Vatican Lectures - take a deep breath, read a little about foreign internal defense and come back to me.
You asked what the mission is, I gave it to you and you completely misinterpreted it and then made or dug something up which suited your argument, and surrealistically ended up with “Lebensraum”.
If you want to be taken seriously, educate yourself. I’m not going to spoon-feed you.
By Vatican Lectures
June 22, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this
I’m going to tell you what’s happening, Mr. Right. You deserve that much, because you are my fellow american.
W has planted the US FLAG on the Temple Mount.
Our concept of “winning a war”, “defending ourselves”, and “protecting and preserving the constitution of the United States” is now being molded by the volatile convolutions of the inherited biblical enmities born from and by neanderthal-era tribal feuds (literally).
In other words, the old war, the old hate, which is infused in our DNA, is directing our jingoistic subconscious and can only lead us to destroy the world with our eyes wide open. There’s nothing we can do to stop ourselves because we ARE war and hate.
We might have had a chance, if we hadn’t planted our flag in front of a fifty thousand year old war which had no beginning and can have no end.
WHAT OLD WAR???? It’s the war of “YOU ARE NOT ME”.
Now we can never have peace. The doomsday clock has been put in a time capsule and buried in quicksand.
But by all means, talk about WMDs, rocket tubes, Al Queda’s liason with Saddam’s agents in the 90’s, and defending Iraqis from Iraqis.
The dittoheadwound’s vehement condemnation of Luckovich’s cartoon smells just like Al Queda’s condemnation of those cartoons depicting mohammed with a bomb-like towel head.
Facism is facism. Torture is torture. You are not me.
By Mike
June 22, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this
Midori, you once again showed your true self when you said the terrorists were the same as American soldiers.
By Midori
June 22, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this
TS,
Who is to say we haven’t done what the Jihadists have done?
Who is to say we haven’t done WORSE than what they have done?
I’ll step away from the monitor now — I know your head is about to explode, and I don’t want any of that goop on me.
By gadem
June 22, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this
Paige your entire comment was asinine.
By benning
June 22, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this
Geezz, Mike, what’s wrong with you? All that talent and you can’t figure out reality from extreme fantasy? As long as you are so besotted by the lies and misdirection of the extreme Left, you are worth little.
By Midori
June 22, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this
Midori, you once again showed your true self when you said the terrorists were the same as American soldiers
Hmmm.
don’t think I said that; I believe I compared the methods used by both and observed that they are similar.
you’ve shown your true colors in that you’re an idiot, with that one-trick pony you guys keep using.
By Morgan
June 22, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this
Iraqi civillian fatalities since U.S. invasion - 38,475 to 42,889
Iraqi civillian connection with 9/11 - none
Individuals held years in detention at Guantanamo - 600
Charges against - 6
(We would have more support if we were able to maintain the moral high ground. This irrational agenda only makes us a bigger target for retribution, call them terrorists if you must.)
By TS
June 22, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this
Midori…Sod off. You and your ‘Who is to say’. What kind of argument is that? Who is to say you are not a pedophile? OR WORSE? Huh? WHO?
By Midori
June 22, 2006 11:02 AM | Link to this
Andy,
I’d love to waterboard you.
By You said it!
June 22, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this
Vatican Lectures,
Thank you for being so articulate! I am sad to say, but I think you’re absolutely right! These people who claim that “Christian Love” goes hand in hand with their version of “The American Way” are deluding themselves. They’ve always been about greed and destruction. Planting our flag in the Middle East, as you say, is just the beginning of the end. I’d holler for these fools to wake up, but they prefer their dreamland. I only hope they confess their sins and plead for forgiveness, (as per their stated forumla) before the end comes.
By Midori
June 22, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this
Where’s Tom Delay when you need him?
We are being overrun with cockroaches.
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this
Paige,
I enjoyed your heartfelt comment. Don’t worry about gadem’s appraisal, we get to read the truly asinine drivel he posts daily.
By ThomasMc
June 22, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this
It seems to me, that if you people are so upset about being compared to al Qaeda, you should quit defending those who act just like them.
Mike is just exposing the truth, and you can’t handle the truth.
By Thomas
June 22, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this
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Paige? —-
Do you seriously think that our invasion of Iraq will stop terrorism? Do you think that even with all of our practices today that we could end terrorism? Are you Naive enough to believe that terrorism can be ended?
Terrorism has existed almost as long as mankind has. Why our founding fathers were considered to be terrorist by the King of England’s standards. How evil that we ambushed their phalanxed marching troops by hiding behind trees and using sniper tactics — how dishonerable can you be!..
So by invading Iraq we have stopped terrorism!..
Well I hope you feel safe and comfy knowing that fact.
I mean no terrorist would come up with other creative ways of killing americans.. Oh say like parking a stolen bulldozer on a railroad track in front of a passenger train - or worse yet a train loaded with deadly chemicals. Or how about pack bombs on greyhound busses, or — well I could come up with a million other ways to kill people.
No - as a liberal I most certainly don’t want to see another 9-11 or another act of terrorism here or for that matter anywhere in the world. But invading Iraq, Bombing collateral damage killing civilians, etc. has made us more enemies with an axe to grind against us. It isn’t -preventing- terrorism, it is pottentially making more. I mean if you had your whole family killed by say a “Chinese” bomb, you might be willing to strap on a suicide pack of explosives yourself.
Oh and on the other issue of found chemical weapons — I had to laugh - these are munitions from 1991 and before. First - they are considered useless as the gasses in most are degraded. Next they are not in well set stockpiles. And last — considering their date, I really have to wonder if these were the chemical munitions that Rumsfeld authorized for Saddam when we had that little Iran issue - grins. Just as a reminder here is the picture of Rumsfeld closing the arms deal with Saddam.
http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2003/02/rumsfeld-saddam.jpgpf8qfo.jpg
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By Midori
June 22, 2006 11:08 AM | Link to this
LOL, TS.
Yes, I’m a pedophile.
Are you too old for me to ram something up your a$$?
Like my foot, perhaps?
Who is to say you’d like that better than a lead pipe? Huh?
By AntiRadical
June 22, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this
Excellent toon, ML. The radicals from both parties are in full bloom today and the stench is nearly unbearable.
The far left claims that the American soldiers accused of torture, murder, and other atrocities are an aberrant minority; I agree. The problem then becomes if we are to believe the “minority” hypothesis, an objective viewer must then consider the corollary claim that perhaps the bystander-bombing, beheaders in the insurrgent camp are also only a minority of that group and that the remainder are loyal and honorable defenders of their homeland.
Maybe so, but my personal opinion is that a large majority of the entire Middle-Eastern population has been indoctrinated into a radical religious mindset of much more extreme philosophy than even our own home-grown Christian fundamentalists such as David Koresh, Timothy McVie, Eric Rudolph, etc. Sadly, most of this indoctrination originated in the Madrasas of our “allies”, Saudi Arabia (homeland of OBL) and Pakistan (probable current residence of OBL & Zawahiri).
Next the far right claims that Abu Gahraib, Haditha, and disclosed clandestine CIA detention centers (which operate completely without oversight and where no one thereby has any idea of what atrocities may be hidden), make us exactly the same as the terrorists that we decry.
This is the “little bit pregnant” hypothesis- we are either torturers or we are not, and we are all painted with the same palette that is truely only applicable to an aberrant few of our own extremists. This may well be, but I must believe that America has amassed a record of humanitarianism and good-will around the world that largely eclipses such comparison.
Please excuse the length of my post. My last post a couple of days ago was, also, lengthy and angered one responder (appearing to be Andy, but who knows on this blog anymore).
In defense, I can only say that I rarely have the opportunity to post here at all so when I do, my posts are occasioanlly longer than a couple of sentences. Of course, the complaint really was not related to the length of my post but to its’ content and length was only a red-herring.
Andy’s often self-professed intent in his campaign against this blog is to silence the liberal voice. Sadly, everyone left of Joseph McCarthy is a pinko-liberal to our resident sociopath.
To whoever left the nastygram after my last post, I have this to say. The day in dispute (6/20), I used a total of 58 text lines on this blog’s space during two posts. I would be happy to limit my postings here to this (or a lesser) number of lines if everyone else would do the same (especially Andy).
In the mean-time, the complainant of 6/20, whoever they may be, can kiss my asterik. )*(
By @@
June 22, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this
TB-4YS:
Oops, missed your post.
Actually that post was out there for anyone who implied that chemical weapons were not capable of killing thousands of innocents (i.e. Kurds) thereby diminishing their destructiveness.
My bed reference indicated your need to identify with “Why” ml would create such an abomination. Now the coincidental thing about ml’s toon is that it follows the torturous death of two of our soldiers, along with the outrage over the Haditha incident. At best, you could say ml has lousy timing. At worst you could say he needs to go screw himself, but it looks like he’s too busying screwing you.
And I’m so impressed with the logic which allowed you to draw this conclusion:
It’s actually kind of funny to me. But most of you have already demonstrated your need to overreact and try to fuel that rage by throwing in the two soldiers who were recently killed.
Well if you want to find my concern for the death of these two soldiers funny and an overreaction, who am I to stop you from making a total idiot of yourself. This is America afterall.
Personally, I just cared and wanted people to see the difference between “barbaric torture” and torture that leaves you to live another day.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
Seeking storage space - I see somebody else here is stuck inside a little box. I’d be glad to take on 500 lbs. of Sarin gas, so send it on over.
Who here is in favor of contacting UPS. What’s your address buddy? I’ll pay the postage. It will arrive in a “iddy biddy box” but you won’t find “us” in it.
By TS
June 22, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this
Morgan…regarding your link to civilian deaths in Iraq: Marc Herold, the leftist professor of women’s studies who compiled a fraudulent and thoroughly debunked account of Afghan civilian casualties during the Taliban war came up with iraqbodycount.net Here’s a post about Herold’s dishonest Afghan casualty report, along with links to other debunkings of his highly flawed “research.” http://angrycyclist.blogspot.com/20021027angrycyclistarchive.html#85612434
By Brian Jones
June 22, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this
Liberals do not seem to understand we are at war with the “Terrorist.”
Wow, just one? You’d think we’d be done by now. He must be one bad dude. Nitpicking grammar aside, I’m so glad to see that we are at war with a generalization and a paraphrasic pronoun. No way that could ever be redefined to fit anything we don’t like. I wouldn’t mind if we were at war with a defined group, that can be resolved, they can surrender or be wiped out. Being at war with terrorism means being at war with the idealogy of using threat of force to get ones way. I don’t think we will ever be out of this one.
As usual, the main stream media sees no difference in our treatment of terrorist and Al Quaidas’ treatment of U.S. soldiers.
As usual some other neo-conservative that still thinks there is a liberal media. I’m looking for it because EVERY media outlet I see complains about the Liberal media. Do they mean UPN? Cause the only message I got from them was about how Sistah did not need to “go there” and in fact needed to talk to “the Hand”.
Our news is a bussiness run by rich men like Rupert Murdock who have no goal but to make money off of the administration by way of buttkissing an propaganda spewing. Liberal media is gone(like that term ever really described anything, Liberal is an economic term relating to policies of more government programs and more government regualtion of business). The news has a decidedly Republican slant now, and as we all know reality has an extreemly secular Independent bias.
By TS
June 22, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this
Oh Midori, did I strike a nerve? Hmmm?
MAYBE YOU NOW KNOW HOW SOLDIERS FEEL BEING COMPARED TO AL-QAEDA!
By Freakin Einstein
June 22, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this
By Think B-4 You Speak! June 22, 2006 10:24 AM Very observant of you If the Shoe Fits! So the stock is probably even smaller than 500 lbs.
Two artillery shells weigh nearly 500 pounds, remember what we just dropped on your “glorious” leader?
Moron.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this
@@ - I’m sure you lost sleep last night because two strangers were killed in a war by some lunatic Haji’s. I seriously doubt it! If anything, Luckovich’s timing is bad, and if he did it on purpose, he was stupid to think that people like you were intelligent enough to look outside of the box.
See to you, GW and all the other clowns that think like you, those two soldiers, along with the 2,500 others, along with the ones that will die in the future are pawns. You don’t give a sh-it about them. You just use them to advance your agenda and pretend you are concerned when they come in a flag draped coffin.
So spare me your over-important, self righteous bul-lshi-t.
By Vatican Lectures
June 22, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this
TS: A training camp in NE IRAQ? I love it!
WE HAD OBL, and nearly every single member of ALQUEDA in AFGHANISTAN.
All we had to do was reach out and grab him.
Rumsfeld refused. He would not allow the CIA to get the credit. He withheld US troops from attacking OBL and Al QUEDA until he convinced W that he was the boss, and HE would decide when and how and even IF it was worth grabbing OBL and Al QUEDA.
But history is for historians and liberals.
It IS easier to say, “security” from the “global jihad”.
I was serious when I asked for some peyote, sir. Oh the colors.
By hewhoasks
June 22, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this
Brave cartoon, Mike. The like/dislike numbers are heavily in the dislike column. You’ve hit a nerve. Most who look at the cartoon obviously see what they are prejudiced to see, not what is there.
Perhaps it’s because you remember that the White House re-defined torture: that’s the “etiquette” being cited (if we say it isn’t torture then it isn’t torture and we don’t commit torture - because we say what we do isn’t torture.) Calling a tail a leg doesn’t give a dog five legs: calling it a tail doesn’t make it so.
Of course the US military had already promulgated a strict and definitive regulation that the White House wanted to destroy:
“(d) Prisoners may be interrogated in the combat zone. The use of physical or mental torture or any coercion to compel prisoners to provide information is prohibited. Prisoners may voluntarily cooperate with PSYOP personnel in the development, evaluation, or dissemination of PSYOP messages or products. Prisoners may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to unpleasant or disparate treatment of any kind because of their refusal to answer questions. Interrogations will normally be performed by intelligence or counterintelligence personnel.”
It was not the US soldiers who re-defined “torture,” it was the White House, in Bush’s “Torture Etiquette” memo.
By Morgan
June 22, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this
TS -
Duh-bya seemed to like the number.
By Churchill Was Right
June 22, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this
Let’s see, Bush=Hitler, Gitmo=Auschwitz, Our military=Al Qaeda. Airtight, rock-solid critical thinking Mike - welcome to the Moonbat Big Leagues - have you met Ted Rall? Who am I kidding? You two probably giggle together on the telephone at night: “Wasn’t Stalin’s mustache just dreamy?!! I wish we lived in a Socialist Utopia, then we could be all, like, happy flying kites and stuff! Let’s paint our toenails and Speak Truth to Power!”
By Dutchy
June 22, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this
Hmm, great cartoon. The only thing is, most of you react like the Aribs on the Denmark cartoons. Maybe you are not that mutch enlighted as you might think.
PS. What about the depleted Uranium that is used al out? Better start saving for your veterans hospital bill….
By TS
June 22, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this
Vatican…I know, I know…it’s all a conspiracy. Anyway, wow, it’s been fun…but gotta run. And to Mike Luckovich: It’s not right that you are blaming the victim. Those soldiers were victims, and nothing they did or the US military has done, justifies what was done to them. Period.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this
Hey Einstein - Well I’ll take your ignorance into account and go easy on you. The two shells dropped on “my” leader (good one by the way), were dropped from an airplane. Aircraft ordnance is alot different than artillery shells. See, one comes from the ground, the other from the air. Fighter jets can carry ordnance that’s a little heavier because it doesn’t have to be fired from a GUN.
Since you are so dang smart, point me to the breakdown of the Iraqi Air Force anytime after 1992.
Either way Einstein wanna be. DoD said these WMD were not the same WMD that justified us going to Iraq. They even said most of the stash was probably ineffective.
By Eric
June 22, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this
Simply sad. I’m embarassed for the artist. This crosses the line from political commentary to obscene obsurdity; it displays overwhelming ignorance. Truly pathetic.
By Vatican Lectures= Seeker= finch?
June 22, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this
Could be.
The libs are working overtime today, trying to distract attention from the cartoon^^.
Too bad.
You’ve been outed.
Losers.
By Excuses, Excuses
June 22, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this
By Think B-4 You Speak! June 22, 2006 11:27 AM DoD said these WMD were not the same WMD that justified us going to Iraq. They even said most of the stash was probably ineffective.
No one is arguing that point, moron, we conceded it. Now when are you going to answer our question?
If Blix and company missed 500 artillery shells what else did he purposefully miss?
His bosses were making Oil For Food money hand over fist after all.
The only people not making Oil money in Iraq were Bush and Cheney, Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!
By Truth Be Told
June 22, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
Somebody at the Journal Constitution needs to make sure their cartoonist stays on his meds.
By Frank
June 22, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
Ah, yes - now I remember why I cancelled my subscription. And it looks like the AJC’s decline will continue …
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this
Hey excuses, before you go calling people moron, pay attention. I answered your question already. Nobody knows what they missed, but I doubt it’s anything to start WWIII over. Trying to explain Blix and the U.N. are about as useless and defending Bush.
By gadem
June 22, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this
RW, I read the “exit strategy” that you posted yesterday. I want to know if you have ever read it. Just from reading it seems like we will be bogged down in Iraq for atleast another decade, what is your take?
By chuck
June 22, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this
You’re a waste of ink!
By ThatSteveGuy
June 22, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this
By Vatican Lectures
What did you do, take a class or moral equivocation? No one has died from this cartoon, no cars have been burnt, no death threats leveled. No cities have come to a standstill, no riots… just condemnation of a clearly biased and non-factual cartoon. The condemnation of this cartoon is NOTHING like what happened with the mo-toons. Nothing. But you can’t concieve of that because you live in a fantasy world where the West is the root of all evil and you refuse to entertain logic to the contray, no matter how obvious it may be.
Look around the world. Look and see where the violence is comming from, whether it’s labeled as “disgruntled immigrants” or “seperatist” or “rebels” or “terrorist” take a good hard look at the commonalities. It ain’t the West that’s causing this all over the globe.
By Kay
June 22, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this
So during the day the AJC endorses the view that there is some sort of moral equivalency between the actions of American soldiers and Islamic insurgents, then at night they sit in their boardroom wondering why their circulation is going down the toilet. You should take a lesson from Air America, there just isn’t enough of a lunatic fringe out there to make your crap comercially viable. I’ll find a paper someone has tossed away in disgust, cut out this cartoon then carry it around so I can show it to any person stupid enough to ask me if I want to subscribe to the AJC.
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this
gadem,
My take is that you are wrong as usual, unless by “bogged down” you mean there will finally be a real chance for lasting peace in the Middle East thus hurting the chances of your Islamofascist buddies.
By Take THAT Andykins
June 22, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this
Good one AntiR @ 11:09
… Please excuse the length of my post. My last post a couple of days ago was, also, lengthy and angered one responder (appearing to be Andy, but who knows on this blog anymore).
In defense, I can only say that I rarely have the opportunity to post here at all so when I do, my posts are occasioanlly longer than a couple of sentences. Of course, the complaint really was not related to the length of my post but to its’ content and length was only a red-herring.
Andy’s often self-professed intent in his campaign against this blog is to silence the liberal voice. Sadly, everyone left of Joseph McCarthy is a pinko-liberal to our resident sociopath.
To whoever left the nastygram after my last post, I have this to say. The day in dispute (6/20), I used a total of 58 text lines on this blog’s space during two posts. I would be happy to limit my postings here to this (or a lesser) number of lines if everyone else would do the same (especially Andy).
In the mean-time, the complainant of 6/20, whoever they may be, can kiss my asterik. )*(
I can just see Andykins puckering up to his computer screen. Great image !
By @@
June 22, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this
TB-4YS:
Why all the profanity? Are you calling ml stupid? I think I would have to say he was intelligent enough to appeal to stupid people such as you. He knew you were an easy sell for his liberal propoganda. Were you doing a reach around for ml when you declared what could be a handle to a sword on the belt of the U.S. was indeed a billy club? Were you truly being objective? I don’t think so.
I think you’re are one of those brain-maggots that RW was telling me about. You always seem to know so much that lies within the brains of other people.
Tell me, are you looking to borrow some grey matter to fill the void inside your own? Excuse me, but did you just call me self-important & self-righteous? Now there’s a “Pot to Kettle” statement if ever I heard one.
I cared enough to make contacts. When I get a response, my church will act according to the wishes of their families if they have any.
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this
Kay,
I’ll find a paper someone has tossed away in disgust, cut out this cartoon then carry it around so I can show it to any person stupid enough to ask me if I want to subscribe to the AJC.
That is a fabulous idea! Thank you!
By Natalie
June 22, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this
I find it humorous that the military hating libs are asking why we’re there in Iraq. Isn’t it their god the U.N. that noted 18 separate infractions of the established U.N. resolutions from the Gulf War?
I guess if your an American hating progressive, your idea of defense is to create a strongly worded document of threat then forget about with no intent of enforcement. It’s the U.N. way.
You progressives are gutless traitors and cowards. Our military knows it…fortunately they can win this without your assistance. But it would be nice if they didn’t have to worry about shot in the back by their so called countrymen.
By ThatSteveGuy
June 22, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this
cowardly cowboy from crawford
You idiot. The military overwhelming votes republican. I think that’s a good indicator that it’s republicans in there fighting. The people seeking career soft jobs are generally liberals looking for an easy handout, the same ones that got bent out of shape when they found out they might have to do the job they are paid for and go fight somewhere.
You sound like the same uninformed morons that complain of the military burden falling unequally on minorities, without actually taking the time to look up the statistics of who enrolls in the military, and what jobs the apply for.
Liberals are the true cowards. Just like the cartoonist they are great at attacking those they know won’t strike back, even if it’s with lies, but they won’t touch those that may bring the fight to them. Nothing is more amusing to me than one liberal commending another on his “bravery” for parroting Hollywoods latest self flagelation line. No one has ever been beheaded, tortured, mutilated, burned, fired, or even kicked out of school for criticizing our own country. It’s just about the safest “stand” one can take.
By Vicsemprini
June 22, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this
This cartoon is an insult to the men and women of the US armed forces who risk their lives every day to minimize civilian casualties in Iraq. The idea that there’s a moral equivalence here would be laughable if it weren’t so deranged. Not one captured US soldier has survived in Iraq. The latest torture, mutilation and murder of our servicemen is only the latest example of the barbarism of the enemy.
If our troops make a mistake, they’re imprisoned tried and convicted (and that happens first in the media of the country they risk their lives to defend).
On the other hand, if you torture and behead an American soldier (or a civilian aid worker), you are praised by your fellow radical Islamists.
Shame on you Mr Luckovich. There is no comparison here, and you do a grave injustice to our fighting men and women.
By gadem
June 22, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this
RW by “bogged down” I mean still there dealing with the same issues that we are dealing with today. Terrorism is not an army it is a belief that they have. You will never be able to kill the beliefs of all people.
By Bionic Blonde
June 22, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this
So how did the looney folks on the right rig the vote for the cartoon today? It’s obivious that it was not the usual number of votes. Can’t they win any election fairly without cheating? Guess not.
By Midori
June 22, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this
I’ll find a paper someone has tossed away in disgust, cut out this cartoon then carry it around so I can show it to any person stupid enough to ask me if I want to subscribe to the AJC.
why rummage through the trash?
why don’t you just print the dang thing?
LOL — the wingnuts have a strong case of the “vapors” today.
GOOD!!
By Waste Of Time
June 22, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
If only my post had been directed at AntiRadical in the first place. I guess when you are a pompous arrogant liberal “elite” with your head up your as-s you stupidly assume things like your hero did at 11:09.
It’s how you losers operate, a veritable disney land of pinko liberalism, sheltered from reality by your overbearing monotonous self righteousness.
The post in question was directed at Lea with the AJC who had implemented a new blog rule on the fly about “fair use” standards for comment length. Blowhard AntiR, as usual, loosed upon the atmosphere tons and tons of gaseous matter, and I was pointing out the double standard of it all.
I shall now return you to the relative obscurity that you are so familiar with.
By Periwinkle
June 22, 2006 12:10 PM | Link to this
The poll for this cartoon is currently under attack by the radical leftists at DemocratUnderground.com.
Here is a direct link to their thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1483151
Leftist can’t chance the results of any online poll accurately reflecting the views of regular participants on said sites, so they skew them at every opportunity to reflect their leftist minority opinions.
By Midori
June 22, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this
Natalie - why don’t you show us how brave and fearless you are????
Get thee to Iraq. Pronto.
You should serve as one heck of an inspiration.
By Austin Wilson
June 22, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this
There it is for everyone to see- liberals’ insane view of a moral equivalence between America, land of the free and home of the brave, and those backwards-neofacist-oppressive-violent-evil thugs.
Can I start questioning your patriotism now?
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this
@@ - what’s the matter? does profanity offend you?! yes, i’m calling you both stupid. and for the record, it’s not ML that appeals to me, it’s the joy i get out of pointing out how stupid you and other people can be - that’s all.
I don’t buy liberal or conservative propoganda. See, I can think for myself and I don’t have to claim a side to validate my thoughts or beliefs. You should try it, it’s pretty cool.
By the way, take a closer look brainiac, it’s a billy club or PR-22(?)! The funny L-shape kind of gave it away.
I don’t pretend to know what lies in the brains of other people. But it’s funny to me that you use the word lies.
yes I called you self-important & self-righteous, was I wrong? Yeah I’m sure you did make contacts, and I’m sure your church is going to pour out their hearts and take collections. Make it good though, because your little care-package will sit in the corner while they grieve the loss of their loved on. Just don’t mention your take on the war in the sympothy card. The family doesn’t think like you.
Speaking of their wishes! Can your church bring the troops home? I think that’s their wish, aside from bringing their son back.
But hey, as long as it makes you feel better, why not!
By She Nailed It!
June 22, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
Natalie! Yes!
By Natalie June 22, 2006 12:00 PM But it would be nice if they didn’t have to worry about shot in the back by their so called countrymen.
By Midori
June 22, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
Liberals are the true cowards. Just like the cartoonist they are great at attacking those they know won’t strike back, even if it’s with lies, but they won’t touch those that may bring the fight to them.
Sorta like you people do, eh Sport?
Who do you think we learned it from? Come on now!!!
By w00t
June 22, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this
The Earth is the hottest it has been in at least 400 years, probably even longer.
Something new for you crazies.
By Bionic Blonde
June 22, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this
Looks like some folks on this forum didn’t understand the concepts from last Sunday’s sermon. Did you let language like that come from your mouth during Sunday services? Do you think God only listens to you on Sunday? I hope you don’t end up in the hot place for talking like that!
By Midori
June 22, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this
Gee, Periwinkle. Ya think?
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this
Natalie - They have a better chance of getting shot but the people they are “liberating”!
By Midori
June 22, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this
By She Nailed It!
June 22, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this
Natalie! Yes!
By Natalie June 22, 2006 12:00 PM But it would be nice if they didn’t have to worry about shot in the back by their so called countrymen.
Good idea.
Anyone have a bullseye?
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this
gadem,
There is so much absurdity packed into that tiny little post of yours it’s hard to know where to start. I guess it doesn’t matter since you lack the ability to understand the answers anyway.
Would you like to tell the victims of terrorism that they aren’t really dead because a belief can’t kill them? Why is your solution always, “it’s hopeless let’s surrender”?
Maybe you should widen your perspectives and you don’t even have to risk being infected by some VRWC site. Just read the fine editorial in today’s AJC-Fishwrapper edition by Jeff P. Emanuel.
By mike lawson
June 22, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this
IT IS PITIFUL THAT YOU WOULD SMEAR THE IMAGE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO GIVE THEIR LIVES FOR YOU TO HAVE SAID FREEDOMS.
By God Bless the War
June 22, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this
Senate rejects call to withdraw troops
WASHINGTON - The Senate has rejected a proposal to make the Bush administration withdraw all combat troops from Iraq in the next year.
Well that was a shocker! While the Republicans and Democrats play gotcha politics and vote on proposals that have absolutely NO CHANCE of passing (the Republican version is the gay marriage hoopla), I’ll bet you a dollar-to-a-hole-in-a-doughnut these SOBs pass ABSOLUTELY NOTHING this term to help solve the illegal immigrant crisis. This bastard-ass do-nothing Congress should every man and woman be sent to Iraq to pull occupation duty. Maybe the terrorists will do us all the greatest favor America has ever been granted and gut/castrate them ALL ! ! !
God Bless the War AND OUR WAR PROFITS ! ! !
By Natalie
June 22, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this
I’m a little old Midori and probably couldn’t keep up with the young guys. But I’m curious pinko? If conservatives are such chickenhawks as you attest, why’s the military voting overwhelming with us all the time?
Is it the military guys are just that dumb like you suggestion? Or does the military simply see who the real cowards are?
By Nail THIS
June 22, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this
Yes, it’s appalling how the enlisted men are arrested, tried, convicted, and imprisoned for things that go wrong in the war, while their leaders, their officers, and the architects of this disaster wash their hands and go on with their lives. Soldiers follow orders, or they make due when they have insufficient orders and often, insufficient training for their mission. Why not arrest RUMSFELD? His fortune should afford him a good lawyer.
By Brian Curtis
June 22, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this
Luckovich makes a solid point, although unsurprisingly a lot of people have missed it.
We’ve forfeited the right to be outraged about the murder of our soldiers. We don’t get to be the “good guys” any more… because we do the same damn thing.
That’s where Bush and his cronies have taken us, and it’s a sewer I’d dearly love for us to climb out of. America isn’t supposed to be a cleaner variety of torturer—it’s supposed to be entirely above torture altogether.
The fact that Faux News drones are seriously debating just HOW much abuse constitutes torture, and how it stacks up against what known terrorists do, is a sad indicator of how far we’ve fallen.
What’s next—rationalizing that just a little child molestation is okay, as long as there are wholesale slavery operations in Thailand that are even worse? This is pathetic. America is better than this… and we’re certainly better than Bush.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this
Natalie - Military folk typically vote Republican because Republicans tend to giving higher annual increases in pay. We loved Clinton, but he stuck around 1%. Republicans are closer to 2-3%.
By Brian76239
June 22, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this
The wingnuts can’t stand the truth. They want to believe that changing the terms from “Torture” to “Extreme Rendition” makes everything OK. Anyone in the world that has more than 6 grey-cells firing at the same time KNOWS what our country is doing. Another case of NON-Reality based thinking.
By gadem
June 22, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this
RW my answer is a phased withdrawal, giving the Iraqi people a deadline when we will completely withdraw the troops…but we can’t do that because we have rallied all the terrorist to Iraq like Repubs to lies.
By burt
June 22, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this
Gee, all hooded Klansmen were southern Democrats like you Mike!
By Natalie
June 22, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this
Take a good look at Bionic Blonde and Midori. From the quality of the progressive posts with the misspellings lack of grammar and punctuation, and general stupidity of content, I’m starting to feel pretty good about 2006 elections. Every two years, I need the reminder of just how moronic those I compete against are. Gives me a real boost of hope.
And Midori. I do hope that some good military guy just saw that comment about you painting the bullseye on their back. Let’s hope some big dude can track you down for extermination. He would do the world a favor and I can virtually guarantee you wouldn’t be missed.
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this
gadem,
If we’ve rallied all the terrorists to Iraq why not stay and kill them? Besides I thought they were just an idea anyway.
By Natalie
June 22, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
Think B-4 You Speak!
LOL. So the military loved Clinton hey? Now, would that be the same Clinton who stated he loathed the military? So I see you were one of the deserters…figures.
By JoW.
June 22, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
Not anti-war, but on the other side. How I wish I was seeing Al-Qaeda propaganda photos of the two soldiers with panties on their heads, rather than those selfless men being brutalized, then murdered. Interesting, also, how Mike’s cartoon has an American instructing the head-hacker, as though beheading and castration are found in the Marine manual. The Left has drifted into a wierd, relativistic post-humanism that saves no one, but endangers everyone.
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this
Brian Curtis,
Explain this you idiot
By Big Hagel
June 22, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this
Mr. Luckovich, your cartoon is tasteless, inaccurate and demeaning to the USA and more importantly the brave soldiers who defend her. How can you possibly, in any way, even remotely compare them and their tactics to those of Al-Qaida. You cannot be that stupid, I would hope you are not that desparate and I fear you are really that blindly biased. With 6000 votes in and 90% disapproving, it is time for an apology.
By gadem
June 22, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this
Sure RW, whatever you say. Following shrubs plan, we will be in Iraq into the next decade.
By regulator
June 22, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
We have seen the enemy and it is us. Pogo
By Man I Hope Natalie Sticks Around
June 22, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this
Hey Natalie, it gets worse. Midori and finch (who’s actually Bionic Blonde) are being somewhat civil today, with just the slightest glimmer of intelligence.
Ooops, that glimmer was Midori’s gold tooth, never mind.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this
Natalie - If you call 11 years and an honorable discharge along with several commendations a desserting - then yeah that’s me. But I take into consideration your flawed logic and I’ll let you slide.
The military loved Clinton just like they love Bush. He’s the commander in chief and deserves your allegiance. At least until he leaves office or you leave the service - whichever comes first.
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this
gadem,
It’s halfway through 2006. Into the next decade isn’t half bad if all the terrorists…err…beliefs are there. President Rice will be finishing the job just in time for her reelection in 2012.
By finch
June 22, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
getalife,
The sheep still believe. Amazing.
Aint it the truth??
I see the WingNuts are again stridently defending the absolutely idiotic decision to invade Iraq. Their latest gambits include the ‘discovery’ of 15 year old degraded mustard gas shells, and their insistence that since Zarqawi was in NE Iraq before the 2003 invasion, he MUST have been in cahoots with Saddam and Osama.
Here’s a clue for the clueless. Zarqawi hated Saddam because Saddam was a secular Muslim who didn’t share his fantasy of a super-Sunni Caliphate in the Persian Gulf. He hid in lawless NE Iraq (barely ruled by the Kurds pre-invasion) to avoid Saddam. When the US dumped Saddam, Zarqawi and his ‘ilk’ spread like cancer.
Bonus clue. Osama hated Saddam for the same reason. Mr. bin Laden wanted to kill Americans, western Europeans, Christians, Jews and S-hiite Muslims, not necessarily in that order to create an Islamic superpower. He had no use for a “Godless” apostate like Saddam Hussein, who cared far more about earthly wealth and power than he did about more heavenly things.
It’s interesting to see how the posts here no longer deal with ml’s provative cartoon, and instead are focusing on the legality, morality and strategic value of the US invasion of Iraq.
That’s Iraq, by the way. A country with no weapons systems to deliver the WMDs that it didn’t have, ruled by a despot who saw Islamic terrorists as a threat to his rule, and who had nothing to do with 9/11.
What a waste.
By Take THAT Andykins
June 22, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this
By Waste Of Time
June 22, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
If only my post had been directed at AntiRadical in the first place. I guess when you are a pompous arrogant liberal “elite” with your head up your as-s you stupidly assume things like your hero did at 11:09.
It’s how you losers operate, a veritable disney land of pinko liberalism, sheltered from reality by your overbearing monotonous self righteousness.
The post in question was directed at Lea with the AJC who had implemented a new blog rule on the fly about “fair use” standards for comment length. Blowhard AntiR, as usual, loosed upon the atmosphere tons and tons of gaseous matter, and I was pointing out the double standard of it all.
I shall now return you to the relative obscurity that you are so familiar with.
As a matter of interest I went to the archives and found the offending remark.
By By The Way
June 20, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this
I guess comment length isn’t a big concern, as long as it’s not a Republican anyway.
By AntiRadical
June 20, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this
Good toon ML. The deadly seriousness that many fans and players place on what is, in the end, only a “game” truely escapes me…
We can all see that Andykins DID NOT address his nastygram to Lea @ the AJC as he claimed but directly at AntiR. This POS is the biggest LIAR on two hemispheres. AntiR is absolutely dead on in his suspicion and assesment of Andykins. Right on AntiR!
Andykins you might want to take note of the fact that your LIES are all documented in the archives, WEASEL!
By Midori
June 22, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this
Yes, Natalie — take a good, long look at me.
I live in the reality-based world.
Jealous?
By Michael McCullough
June 22, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this
So you believe that there is a moral equivalency between the United States and al-Qaeada? That is a sick and twisted belief.
Mistakes are made in war. Americans in WWII on a few occasions did things to captured Germans or Japanese that were wrong. However, it was not US policy to do those things and, when these things were found out, the soldiers were prosecuted and punished.
Do you believe that Hitler and Tojo were morally equivalent to Roosevelt? Answer me that, Socrates!
Soldiers who have mistreated the enemy or civilians should be prosecuted and, if found guilty, punished appropriately. We have a system in place to do that. Al-Qaeda purposely pursues a course in repressing, torturing, and killing innocent people. Do you not know that?
You should be ashamed of yourself. If you think that the United States and radical Islam are morally equivalent, then move to Iran or Saudi Arabia for 6 months and try writing cartoons for their newspapers. It would be quite an educational experience for you, which is something that you greatly need.
-Michael McCullough Link:Stingray: a blog for salty Christians
By Brian Curtis
June 22, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this
RW: I’ll be glad to explain it to you.
See, the actions of the “bad guys” don’t justify our embracing those same tactics. Not at all, not even a little bit. That’s what “morality” means.
America isn’t a paler, gentler shade of torturer; we’re a society that does not torture or abuse prisoners AT ALL. Period. No matter what our enemies do. America is committed to higher ideals, like democracy and peace.
Bush has robbed us of that. You can’t wag your finger at atrocities when you’re busily running places like Abu Ghraib and Gitmo, or shipping prisoners off to black-ops CIA torture centers. America’s ideals are (or were) better than that.
And the fact that neocon drones are willing to throw them away to feel a little safer from the next terrorist attack… well, it’s pathetic. You folks are simply cowards, nothing more. You don’t care about holding America to a higher standard—you just want to dominate through force.
That’s anti-American, and that sort of chickenshit behavior digusts me. Anyone who isn’t outraged that Bush has dragged us down to this level is a pathetic traitor to all that America stands for.
By @@
June 22, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this
Well drat! My original post has been removed. Maybe ml knew this one would draw a large number of posts. Hmmmmmm, so did he care? I’m thinking NOT.
TB-4YS:
You are spot on about that billy club. I thought that handle was something else, but no need to explain. I’m going to give you the thrill that you seek and say “YOU’RE RIGHT ABOUT THE BILLY CLUB”!
No, profanity doesn’t offend me at all. I try to practice self-discipline in public, but I’m accustomed to hearing it.
So you enjoy telling people how stupid they are? Please…..tell me that you are not a teacher….that would cause me great concern.
Let me get this straight. If someone’s thoughts are similar to, or in line with someone elses, that, to you, indicates that they can’t think for themselves (pompous)? Maybe it just means that they share similar views. There are some liberals on here, with whom I share some viewpoints on certain issues. Damn, I better tell them that you said they “CAN’T THINK FOR THEMSELVES” because they share MY views.
From my viewpoint. Yes, you were wrong for calling me self-important and self-righteous. You assume I was going to send a care package. WRONG, I never send anything materialistic. It’s always a donation to an organization of their choosing. The gift that keeps on giving don’tcha know.
I would never be so callous as to share with the family my views of the war. That’s not what I’m all about. You???
And I’m sorry my original post has been removed because I don’t recall where it said that the families were opposed to the war, but were very proud of their brave sons. But there again, it’s that brain maggot thing you’ve got going on. YOU KNOW THEY DON’T THINK LIKE ME.
Now I’ve got to go have a title transferred. Will I be needing your permission to leave. Never mind I THINK I’ll just do it.
By Vatican Lectures
June 22, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this
CARTOON IDEA: Rumsfeld character in it sticking pins in a towelhead figurine, and saying, “The Geneva Convention dont say diddle squat about voodoo.”…. (and a little George Bush Sr. figure that says, “voodoo economics?”)….And then a little W figure with his feet stuck in manure saying, “No, DEEP VOODOO!”
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this
finch,
With the 247th comment you are b-itching that the cartoon isn’t being discussed enough? Are you going to join Midori in the reality based community?
By john galt
June 22, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this
This cartoon is a typically ignorant and disgusting example left wing moral equivalence. The complete inability to make distinctions between aggressive interrogation techniques of very bad people and barbaric torture for sport…but from the same crowd that can’t tell the difference between palestinian suicide bombers and unfortunate collateral damage to human shields from israeli airstrikes…would you expect any less ?
Just another poignant reminder that the democrats remain childish and wrong, and unfit to govern in any capacity. See you in November, where all your poll induced hubris will come crashing down around you. again.
By Midori
June 22, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this
no Andy - it wasn’t my tooth.
it was the aura surrounding my halo.
being a bottom feeder from Hades, I wouldn’t expect you to know the difference.
By chairman me
June 22, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this
When the US begins decapitating prisoners and stuffing their severed genitals in their mouths I’ll begin to worry about torture in US and moral equivalancy with al Qaeda. As long as we’re just putting panties on some guy’s head, I’ll worry more about the sanity of liberals.
Quick Reality Check poll for liberals!
Which of these is not like the others: a)decapitation b)disembowelment c)emasculation d)getting panties on head
hint: a lot of guys will pay good money for d.
By Michael McCullough
June 22, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this
Brian Jones:
Our news is a bussiness run by rich men like Rupert Murdock who have no goal but to make money off of the administration by way of buttkissing an propaganda spewing.
If Rupert Murdoch and Fox News are Bush buttkissers, then why did Murdoch recently host a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton?
You’re a typical liberal who is so lost in your hatred for American that have no idea what’s going on in the world around you.
-Michael McCullough Stingray: a blog for salty Christians
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this
Where’s rushncap? If he shows up would someone get his ruling on BC’s use of traitor?
Brian,
Your Bush Derangement Syndrome doesn’t begin to explain Mogadishu. However we do hold ourselves to a higher standard if you haven’t noticed. Who do you think is prosecuting when a formal charge is made against someone in our military?
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this
@@ - No need to let me know I was right - I already knew it. I find it hilarious that when you and the people “who think like you” on this blog are really quick to denegrate people they don’t agree with, but when faced with someone who knows what they are talking about that gives it back to you, there are problems.
Either way. I stand by everything I say and have said. And yes I know how the family thinks because they have gone on record and said that our military shouldn’t be over there sitting and waiting to get killed for nothing. I think the uncle said that, the rest of the family has been kind of quiet.
So I didn’t make up their stance, I just read and listened to what they have to say -regardless of what I think.
By Scott Mcahon
June 22, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this
Just another member of the media spitting on our troops, what a disgrace.
By Brian Jones
June 22, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this
Natalie: I find it humorous that the military hating libs are asking why we’re there in Iraq. Isn’t it their god the U.N. that noted 18 separate infractions of the established U.N. resolutions from the Gulf War?
Well, I’m asking why we’re there and I’m no lib. And no, my god has nothing to do with the UN, but is infact a non-intervening spiritual causality, Deist and all that. So the UN isn’t doing a good job anymore. Sucks to be them, but don’t lump me in with that waste of Beauracratic space.
Waste Of Time: It’s how you losers operate, a veritable disney land of pinko liberalism,
Why oh why can’t we get some relavent political terminology? This isn’t the McArthy era. No one is under question of being a communist and supporting the Soviet Union’s conspiracy to undermine capitalistic society and form a buffer zone of nation-states around their seat of power. Stop using pinko, it doesn’t fit the debate. Also, perhaps try some debative candor. Losers isn’t really going to make any “lefties” believe your point and come to your side.
mike lawson: IT IS PITIFUL THAT YOU WOULD SMEAR THE IMAGE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO GIVE THEIR LIVES FOR YOU TO HAVE SAID FREEDOMS.
I FIND IT MORE PITIFUL THAT THE ONLY DEFENSE YOU CAN RENDER ON THEIR BEHALF IS TO HIT CAPS LOCK AND RAIL OFF A PREPACKAGED LINE. Seriously, if you cared like you said, you’d be bringing out the heavy debate artillery and seriously attempting to convince others of your point of view instead of turning this into a flame war. Yes its a tradgedy that they died, but you neo-cons make a mockery of it by using them as an excuse to do some “liberal bashing”. How would you like me digging up your corpse and beating people in the face with it? Let the men rest in honor and peace.
Brian Curtis: What’s next—rationalizing that just a little child molestation is okay, as long as there are wholesale slavery operations in Thailand that are even worse?
Don’t you know, that’s how it works now man! Do as I say! Not as I… LOOK OVER THERE!!! TERRORISTS!!! No pay no attention to what we’re doing over here, terrorists are over there!
Midori: Anyone have a bullseye?
You’re not helping with crap like that. The off-color joke has been made, the debate is on over it. No sense in re-riling. This is why the left gets called out so much. Do yourself a favor and try to keep some candor.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this
Hey Chairman - And everybody else who keeps bringing up panties. You may like panties on your head, but to a certain religion it’s not such a good thing. Kind of like you christians getting up in arms with the DaVinci code times 10.
I personally don’t care if they were offended and they should have used soiled panties. But just another example of thinking outside the box and realizing that you are not the only person in the world.
By Kell
June 22, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this
The comparison of the US to an entity that beheads human beings and violently tortures human beings is simple minded at best and or a sign of someone who is suffering from delusions at worst… Pathetic to say the least…
By w00t
June 22, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this
Brian Jones, that is probably the best post of the day. It’s really sad that the neo-cons cannot put together such a well thought out post other than bashing and name-calling.
By Rochelle Funderburg
June 22, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this
I rarely comment on trash, but for this I’ll make an exception. While you certainly have the right to express your viewss, let me exercise my right to free speech by telling you how despicable this cartoon is. If you can’t tell the difference between beheading someone and putting women’s panties on someone’s head, then there is no hope for you. I hope you enjoy learning to speak Arabic under the next Caliphate.
By the gestapo has spoken
June 22, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this
that’s right midori. one more crack out of you about bullseyes and the speech police will be taking you down.
By Whatever, I Know It Wasn't Your Intelligence
June 22, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this
By Midori June 22, 2006 01:05 PM no Andy - it wasn’t my tooth. it was the aura surrounding my halo.
By Liberal Texas Democrat
June 22, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this
My goodness, didn’t ML just start something this morning? He earned his paycheck today.
By Scott Kelly
June 22, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this
This cartoon is offensive and repulsive.
There is NO comparison to be made between evil barbarians who saw off the heads of helpless victims, and US soldiers who pull mind games on prisoners, even if those games are a little sick.
What a mere handful of our soldiers did to prisoners was nothing. Frat-house pranks and initiations are worse! What our enemy does is REAL torture.
What the hell is wrong with leftists who equate America with such incredible evil?
You leftists have no moral compass, and you have lost all capacity to think clearly.
By Censorship?
June 22, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this
You got a case of the Murtha’s, there, Brian?
Waste Of Time: It’s how you losers operate, a veritable disney land of pinko liberalism, Why oh why can’t we get some relavent political terminology? This isn’t the McArthy era. No one is under question of being a communist and supporting the Soviet Union’s conspiracy to undermine capitalistic society and form a buffer zone of nation-states around their seat of power. Stop using pinko, it doesn’t fit the debate. Also, perhaps try some debative candor. Losers isn’t really going to make any “lefties” believe your point and come to your side.
Pinko.
By Brian Curtis
June 22, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this
Well, it’s clear that most people AREN’T understanding the point being made here.
Which is either a sign that the cartoon doesn’t communicate it very clearly, or that some cowards are so far gone that they honestly don’t see any problem with abandoning everything America stands for to “fight terrorism.”
These chickenshit traitors (i.e., Bush’s last few supporters) are pathetic.
By Krusty Krab
June 22, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this
Yep, no difference between us than and them. No doubt we can expect the insurgents to start hearings any time now on atrocities that a few “out of control” insurgents committed.
…as if. We make a mistake, our system catches it, and people pay the price.
The insurgents aren’t making mistakes when they target hospitals, schools and mosques on a daily basis. They deliberately kill thousands of civilians each year, not to mention hide behind women and children to make it harder for us to target them. And don’t expect them to apologize for any of their wrongdoings either.
By N-GA
June 22, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this
So many issues being discussed…don’t know where to begin.
Let’s start with the toon. I don’t see that the two murdered American soldiers are mentioned at all in the toon. Neither is the US military (no uniforms, insignia, nada!
What is there? A hooded figure respresenting Al Qaida and another representing the USA (this administration?). What is Mike trying to say?
Let’s analyze the toon now. Al Qaida definitely has people whose behavior we find abhorrent and repulsive. IMHO, so does the USA. I would suggest that if any wingnut posting here had a relative kept at Guantanamo without charges, it would be viewed as wrong. If their relative was waterboarded, stripped naked, humiliated in front of the opposite sex, piled upon one another, had snarling dogs intimidate them, subjected to long periods of sleep deprivation, etc., it would be viewed as wrong. Also, there have been a number of examples of unexplained deaths of prisoners in US custody (even an Iraqi General).
The media makes sure that we see every atrocity committed by Al Qaida. However, we only see the atrocities committed by coalition forces when they are discovered. It makes one wonder what hasn’t been uncovered. Most soldiers tend to keep quiet about things they see rather than cause problems for their fellow GI’s.
Further, the administration has pointedly disavowed the Geneva Convention (reference the written opinion of Alberto Gonzales saying that it was essentially outdated). Therefore, what guidelines (torture etiquette) does the U.S. follow?
I think that what Mike is trying to say is that the US is in no position to take anyone to task for violating world standards for treatment of prisoners.
By Glenn
June 22, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this
Now this is what one really needs. Tune into this blog and see some deeply infected, uneducated afterbirth like Scooter, RW, BD talking about WW II.
By @@
June 22, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this
TB-4YS:
I know what the uncle said too. I’m talking about the immediate and direct family who clearly acknowledged the pride in their son and said he knew he was fighting for a just cause, his country. I wonder though, about the country that is, when people are so quick to slander our servicemen and their committment.
I’m liking this YELLING stuff. When you are talking to someone like you, whose head is so filled with their own grandeur, it’s hard to infiltrate that HUGE skull with the thoughts of the “common” (what you see as less important) individual without YELLING.
You’re not creating problems for me B-4. Never will. By my estimation, you were right on one point. You know the difference between a sword handle and a billy club. Good for you.
By Don
June 22, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this
Luckovich is a POS…FU
By Michael McCullough
June 22, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this
TS:
you would expect to see this cartoon in an Islamist propaganda newspaper
Um, isn’t that what the AJC is? It’s one of the worst, most biased newspapers in the country. And that’s saying a lot.
-Michael McCullough Stingray: a blog for salty Christians
By Kman
June 22, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this
Obviously, people are made uncomfortable by this cartoon, which shows that Luckovich has struck a nerve (which is within the job description of a good political cartoonist).
Although people may bluster about Luckovich’s patriotism, etc., I challenge anyone to explain the moral difference between America conducting torture, and al Qaeda conducting torture.
But I won’t hold my breathe waiting for an adult reasonable response.
In my view, Luckovich is a patriot who understands that America need not lose its soul to win the war on terrorism. I find it scary that those who claim to hate al Qaeda are quick to defend al Qaeda’s tactics.
By not a reader
June 22, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this
This is why i don’t buy your rag.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this
@@ - If you are insinuating that I in anyway have slander our servicemen you are more dillusional than I thought.
What’s funny is you say my head is so full of grandeur (which I assure it is not) - I’m sure a quick poll will reveal that people see you, RW, BD and Andy (whichever name he’s using today) the same way.
The problem is, people are so set in their ways and beliefs that anything contrary to those beliefs is crazy or wrong. I’m sitting here laughing at this because everything that you accuse me of, sounds alot like what you do on a daily basis here.
I don’t know where you get this yelling from either. But I digress. I know I was right about the billy club. But what you fail to realize @@ is that just because you don’t agree with what I say - doesn’t make it wrong!
But at least I was right about something!
By Put It In The Idiot Column
June 22, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this
By N-GA June 22, 2006 01:29 PM I think that what Mike is trying to say is that the US is in no position to take anyone to task for violating world standards for treatment of prisoners.
Too stupid to even understand what they are saying.
All this a-sshole talk coming from the relative safety of the United States brought to you by the same Armed Forces this maggot is badmouthing.
Bad mouthing with bald faced lies at that.
By rushncap
June 22, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this
N-GA. The U.S. follows its own, internal guidelines for “interrogations”. As far as I can tell, those guidelines are “if no one finds out about it, it’s OK”.
By cmj
June 22, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this
I’d love for your to expereience a government like Al-Qaida.
By Thomas
June 22, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this
Hey Don!
Luckovich is an upstanding Patriotic American willing to challenge those that justify an unjust act!
By David
June 22, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this
Unbelievable. I quit reading the AJC a long time ago. Now I remember why.
By Put It In The Idiot Column
June 22, 2006 01:53 PM | Link to this
By rushncrap June 22, 2006 01:42 PM N-GA. The U.S. follows its own, internal guidelines for “interrogations”. As far as I can tell, those guidelines are “if no one finds out about it, it’s OK”.
Versus the “open door” policy that your boys in Al Qaeda use with their “interrogation” methods. They are so much better than us, right, them being considerate enough to film things like Nick Berg’s “detention” and even recording the sound so we could hear him scream.
Junior, if you went to school to learn what you know, your parents got screwed out of their money.
By Some guy
June 22, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this
You are a pig. If you can’t tell the difference between the worst abuses that American soldier have done, and the average abuses our enemy has done, you need therapy.
Even if every allegation about US behavior were true. Even if we were committing every torturous act we have been accused of, we would still be a far cry from being as inhuman and brutal as what Islamic terrorists openly do to human beings they have at their mercy.
You are insane. Die in a fire.
By Brian Jones
June 22, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this
I have to ask the slew of people posting things like “I don’t read the AJC and this is why.” Why do you read their web site? See those ads on the page? By coming here and having that ad load on your machine you make the AJC more money (pay-by-imprint billing system used for most ads). If you don’t like the AJC and don’t read the AJC, then stop reading www.ajc.com. You’ll see a whole lot less that ticks you off, cause them to make less money from the people paying to advertise here, and have a greatly reduced risk of stress related disorders.
By N-GA
June 22, 2006 02:00 PM | Link to this
It doesn’t take a nanosecond for the bed wetter (By Put It In The Idiot Column) to make himself known.
He can’t respond to what I said, so he attacks me. That’s okay…as a veteran (1969-75) I have a thick skin. Andy, the bed wetter, is just a wimp who rages from the safety of his double-wide.
Again, Mike NEVER references the military in this toon! I think the person under the hood (on the right, hehe) is really Karl Rove.
By Tim
June 22, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this
I’m guessing that the American soldiers who weren’t tortured by being forced to wear panties on their heads. This business of moral equivelance in comparing what was done to those two men and what happened at Abu Graib is is ignorant nonsense at best and knowing collusion with our enemies at worst.
By Midori
June 22, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this
Some Guy AKA Donald Rumsfeld,
Look in the mirror.
By david
June 22, 2006 02:05 PM | Link to this
Finding dispicable garbage like this on the pages of the AJC (and just about every other mainstream media outlet in the US) is such a regular thing now that it’s more tiresome than infuriating. Hey, AJC, we all know you’re a bunch of lefty terrorist lovers…you can stop trying so hard to prove it every single issue.
By the gestapo has spoken
June 22, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this
again!
don’t come here and muck up our liberal lovefest. if you don’t agree that the us military is a bunch of torturing marauders then stay away from brian jones’ blog. your voice is not welcome here and we will try to intimidate you by claiming to make money from you. if that doesn’t work then watch out.
By BOB
June 22, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this
re: Abu Graib
If having embarrasing pictures of yourself shown on the internet is “torture”, then about 90% of myspace users have been “tortured” at one time or another.
By Midori
June 22, 2006 02:09 PM | Link to this
Reading the responses verifies my belief that the right is not only factually challenged, they are the ultimate deniers at that.
now wonder they still support Bush.
It’s a sickness. Really.
You guys are so “outraged” and “upset” that the author drew a fact based cartoon. Some of you even justify your viciousness by stating that “yeah, so what if we do it too? we still don’t do it as bad as THOSE guys”.
You know, the same guys that you love so much, that you cheered invading their country just to liberate them from their culture and society. And you get all bent out of shape because they are rebelling because they DON’T WANT OUR F*CKING LIBERATION!!!
You apparently can’t get that through your pea brains. I guess it’s not enough room in there for common sense and decency to have a place.
You’re also a bunch of moronic clones. You all sound just alike. “The left hates the troops, the left hates America”, etc. etc.
I suppose that has to do when you can’t think of anything substantive to say.
By w00t
June 22, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this
Third Geneva Convention
(Article 5):”Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a belligerent act…” is a prisoner of war “…such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal.”
(Article 13): “Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated.”
(Article 13): “…Prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity.”
Yeah, you guys are right, the terorrist are bad, they do horrible things. They cut of the heads of people and blow up markets, etc. However, we are better than that to drop to their level in a fit of revenge. We are Americans because we hold (at least I hope we do) ourselves to a higher standard. Tourture is tourture no matter how many ways you try to explaine it or try to justify it. Like others have said here before, the character with the US flag is most likely a representation of the current administration as they do not concider al-queade members to be POW’s but as “Illegal enemy combatants” instead. By being labled Illegal enemy combatants, the United States does not follow Section III and Protocol I (which has not been adopted by several nations, including the United States, Afghanistan and Iraq. The U.S. objections form the basis that it would extend Geneva Conventions protection to some unlawful combatants) of the Geneva Conventions, thus they are justify the treatment of the captured. In turn, this makes the current administration no better than the force they are fighting. If they are not POWs, then how can we call this a “war” If they are organized and have a command stucture then how can they not be a militia?
Most of the individuals, detained by the U.S. military on the orders of the U.S. administration were initially captured in Afghanistan. The foreign detainees, are held in Guantanamo Bay Naval Base. Guantánamo Bay, Cuba was chosen because although it is under the de facto control of the United States administration, it is not a sovereign territory of the United States and a previous Supreme Court ruling Johnson v. Eisentrager in 1950 had ruled that U.S. courts had no jurisdiction over enemy aliens held outside the USA. I wonder why they wanted to keep them out of the united states?
Kind of funny isn’t it?
By SSG Pooh
June 22, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this
Have you no shame at all?
By Midori
June 22, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this
Tim,
were not people murdered at Abu Gharib?
So now we distinguish murder as being “severe” and “less severe”?
By Brian Jones
June 22, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this
the gestapo has spoken : don’t come here and muck up our liberal lovefest. if you don’t agree that the us military is a bunch of torturing marauders then stay away from brian jones’ blog. your voice is not welcome here and we will try to intimidate you by claiming to make money from you. if that doesn’t work then watch out.
That’s got to be the best thing I’ll ever hear. One week of posting in this blog and its mine? Wow, behold my power. Fear me and my suggestion that if you hate it here so much, to just leave. I am master of all I post on! Now where is that blog that contains all the power in the world.
By Midori
June 22, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this
and one more thing: Andy - you would make Torquamada proud.
It is indeed torture reading and working one’s way through all of that crap you post and venom you spew.
A*shole.
By Bob
June 22, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this
I have to do this again.
As a native-born Atlantan, living here for over 47 years, I oppologize once again for our local newspaper’s editoral cartoonist.
By Mike Fay
June 22, 2006 02:20 PM | Link to this
So easy to come up with, yet so wrong. Thoughtfully thoughtless. Your cheap predictable shot will contribute in its own small way to fuel the barbarism of our enemy…this is just the kind of thing they count on from “useful idiots” on the left.
By rushncap
June 22, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this
First of all, li’l andy, I paid for my own school. Second of all, you’re obviously far too stupid to realize that me condemning the U.S. for not following the Geneva Conventions does NOT constitute me supporting the torture methods of Al Quaeda. I was just sorta hoping that my country would not sink to their level. And it has not yet. But largely due to the people who keep exposing that stuff. If it were solely up to Rummy and Dickie, I’m pretty sure “hot poker up nostril” would be a standard questioning method by now.
By Red Five
June 22, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this
Quote from SSDD: *Andy, andy, andy.
Can you SEE the forest for the trees? Are you so blinded by your devotion to your party that you cannot recognize the hypocrisy of Americans torturing anyone, anywhere, at anytime a complete contradiction and negation of what a TRUE AMERICAN should stand for?
I believe I read “LIFE, LIBERTY, & THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS” somewhere… Should that only apply to an AMERICAN or should we be a shining example of righteousness???*
Those Americans who were caught putting panties on terrorist heads, stacking them into nude pyramids, and bringing barking dogs into the room have been prosecuted and punished fortheir actions. Panties on terrorist head = torture?? Hell, an old friend of mine had that happen during his bachelor party, while the former occupant of said undergarment sat on his lap. I saw the photo; he sure didn’t look like he was in pain. In fact, I think the proper term to describe his grin is “sh*t-eating”. Bubba, that dog don’t hunt.
“devotion to your party”? How about devotion to America? How about protecting the right to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”? How about capturing prisoners of war, and detaining them until that war is over, so they don’t go back and re-fill the ranks of the enemy? Some of the current residents of Club Gitmo have done just that, after they were released.
We have bent over backwards to make sure these people are comfortable. They have air conditioning, Korans, Islam-safe food, and guards treating them with kid gloves, literally. Duck a l’orange = beheading? Survey says: BS!
Quote from N-GA: I would suggest that if any wingnut posting here had a relative kept at Guantanamo without charges
All the inmates at Gitmo are charged with being combatants in a war. They are, therefore, prisoners of war. Technically, according to Geneva, we have every right to summarily execute them on sight, because they are not wearing the uniform or insignia of their army, not to mention they are intentionally involving civilians as shields to protect their sorry asses. BUT WE HAVEN’T, and we won’t. We are applying Geneva as if they were legal soldiers of a legitimate army, minus a few unusual and isolated cases which have been prosecuted and punished.
Leave the “reality-based community”, libnuts, and join reality. It’s right in front of your noses.
By Put It In The Idiot Column
June 22, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this
So N-GA Wanker, what about the letter from the government, did you get one recently?
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this
Midori,
Would you like to provide us your information on the murders at Abu Gharib? I know there were plenty there before we ousted Saddam, but I certainly don’t remember any at our hands. Call that traitor Mothra if you need any details.
By JoW
June 22, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this
Yawn…another simple-minded, disingenuous mischief maker who really thinks it heroic and daring to take on the “vicious” American machine. The Mohammed cartoon episode and the collective silence of the Left showed two things very clearly - 1) that you people cower when a brave stand that might have REAL repercussions is required. And 2) that those damned neo-cons can’t really be all that bad or dangerous or, qua point one above, you wouldn’t have the guts to call them out all the time. When the ardent members of the Left dare do something truly brave and meaningful that requires actual risk and sacrifice then maybe you will have the admiration and trust of those American’s who, thus far, have not voted your way. Because more than fifty percent of American’s do not vote Democrat does not make them fools. Who can blame them if they remain unimpressed with a bunch of embolic-eyed, red-faced drum-bangers screaming in the streets that the American President is a “chimp” and a “Nazi”? Many of these brave moonbats also like to complain we reside in a burgeoning police state. Well, calling the president a “Nazi” in a police state would require genuine daring – ergo, the opposite must be true – not even the Left really believes they’re endangered. They just prefer to create for themselves an atmosphere of fear and coming repression to justify their constant over-reaching. Mike L. is a perfect example, which is why his pen said PEEP during the Mohammed controversy.
By Ben Rand
June 22, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this
Hey ncie one.
But when was the last time our troops sawed the head off someboyd…or for that matter, chopped someone’s testicles off?
This type of ridiculous crap is exactly why I don’t get subscriptions to Time, Newsweek or any daily newspaper.
By panbanger
June 22, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this
This is the worst edition of the Family Circus I’ve ever read. Bill Keane should be ashamed of himself. Also, where’s PJ?
By Chuck
June 22, 2006 02:31 PM | Link to this
Luckovich has crossed a clear line when equating the US military with Al Quida. While there have been war time atrocities committed by SOME US miltary personnel, to equate what a small percentage of poorly lead soldiers or Marines have done in a few isolated situations with a group composed entirely of a bunch of murderous, barbaric, thjroat-slitting scum-suckers who believe it’s proper and under God’s direction to slowly cut a person’s head off while he /she chokes on their own blood and screams at the horror they’re experiencing, shows a degree of stupidity on the part of those who justify Al Quida’s measures. I say this: find the bastards who do that and dispatch their miserable souls to hell in the most painful manner possible. Iraq is supposed to be the Cradle of Civilization. The Cradle of Civilization, my a*s!! It’s a Cradle of Torture and Murder, populated by a group of creatures who don’t have respect for each other. You can’t reason with them or talk about being civilized with them. Don’t drop bombs on them—-gather up as many memebers of Al Quida that can be found and drop them out of airplanes.
By minnie
June 22, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this
Luckovich is on the side of the enemy. A coward who uses his media access to help Al Qaeda and any other murderer of our troops.
Take away his passport. Ship him off to join his buddies in the insurgency. He wouldn’t last 5 seconds.
By Shamalama
June 22, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this
It is not the policy of the U.S. military to torture enemy combatants, certainly not to the point that DNA tests become necessary to determine which disfigured corpse is which. It is not the policy of the U.S. military to behead captured enemies. Water-boarding and sleep deprivation strike us as bad and likely unproductive policies. Disfiguring torture and beheading strike us as the acts of barbarians and monsters. There is equivalence in this?
Whatever one’s judgment about the legal rights of enemy combatants held at Guantanamo, drawing parallels between isolated American excesses in a cruel war and such joyously celebrated “policies” of terrorists is just beyond the pale.
The only equivalence is between the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and al Jazeera.
By just-furious
June 22, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this
I’ve had a long time to contemplate a number of elegant ripostes to your petty juvenile and anti-American BS, only to conclude that the message needs to be as concise and specific as humanly possible. Thus, I can best summarize with this statement:
“Eat a bullet, oxygen thief!”
By Bill
June 22, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this
Maybe it’s time we started chopping off heads and testicles. I say, if we’re going to be accused of being barbarians, we may as well act like barbarians. Kill them all and let Allah sort them out. Hopefully he’ll be able to drum up enough virgins to go around.
By TC
June 22, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this
A new low for the urinal-constipation.
By Osama Bin Laden
June 22, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this
I AM DISGUSTED BY THE CARTOON!!! TO COMPARE WHAT MY FREEDOM FIGHTERS DO WITH WHAT BIG OIL DOES IS AN INSULT TO ALLAH!!!
You in the west will be sorry. I will put anthrax in your douche bags!! Then watch your women rebel against you. I will train them all to be like Lorraine Bobbit, and she will behead your teeny little peenies.
You will see!!! I will do it!!!
NOTE: The AJC regrets to inform the reader that OBL somehow hacked into Lucky’s blog. We now return you to your name calling, finger pointing, and self righteousness.
By George Peterson
June 22, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this
Pot and Kettle? Ridiculous cartoon Mr. Luckovich. It’s people like you (who equate anything Americans have done with the indiscriminate barbarity of radical Islamists) that help to cause problems for our military, our country and the overall war on terror. And, unfortunately, you really don’t even understand the harm you cause — or you don’t care. The First Amendment protects your right to draw that cartoon and voice your opinion, but good judgment should be exercised under the circumstances. You failed to do this. We ARE different from those barbarians. That’s why you were even able to draw and post that cartoon in the first place.
By JoW
June 22, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this
If Mike Luckovich were captured by these same men - they would not behead him, they would not even harm him. Rather, at Mike’s behest, they would find a portfolio of his work online, smile, and set him free. American soldiers are an actual threat to these people. Mike L.? Ummmm…not so much! In fact, they probably share similar sympathies. Zarqawi himself was a fan of Newsweek - he had articles tacked to his hideout wall from a May issue that was highly critical of the Iraq War. Who can blame him? There was much reassuring stuff in them there pages.
By Chaos
June 22, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this
Ignorant copy-and-pasting from the Geneva Convention is about the oldest lefty argument there is in this war.
Too bad they also explicitly state that belligerents who do not play by the rules are not protected by the rules. Funny how that part is never brought up by the “we have no right to think we’re better because we don’t either!” crowd.
The fairly simple to understand point of we charge people who torture and degrade prisoners with crimes, put them on trial, and send them to jail. As opposed to al-Qaeda degrading, torturing and finally killing their prisoners with ritualistic glee and a nice big cheer of “Allahu Akbar!” after is something some people here apparently do not understand.
Apparently unsanctioned acts regarded and treated as criminal (that would be America and Abu Ghraib) with the perpetrators put on trial and punished, and deliberate, sanctioned, encouraged torture far worse than Abu Ghraib followed by execution on videotape for distribution over the internet for the glory of Allah (that would be al-Qaeda) would constitute a vast “moral difference,” to whatever idiot up there asked for someone to explain it.
In every army in history there have been excesses, and the best you can hope for is that the army command does not actively or passively encourage - in fact to actively discourage it and publicly punish any violators - such behavior so it is a rare occurrence. This is clearly the stance of the DoD: in five years the numbers of alleged massacres and amount of abuse of prisoners is surprisingly low.
But of course to the really stupid who tend to inhabit the part of Leftism that actively uses the internet, there is no difference between an armed force that forbids such behavior and punishes people who engage in it, and an armed force that actively encourages its members to torture, rape, and indiscriminately kill. None at all. It’s like there’s some kind of mental block that prevents you morons from comprehending the written word unless it conveys the general impression that America = worse than [insert bad country / group here].
Funny how the overwhelming majority of those Eastern Europeans, having actually lived under the red flag, seem to think that America was in fact morally superior in every way to the USSR, and how today you have Iraqi politicians referring to us as “uncle America.”
By GI JOE
June 22, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this
HOW REVOLTING
moral equivalence at its worst, are you that demented that you are comparing the mass murder of civilians to the US army?
its like the hitler youth to the boy scouts
YOU ARE NUTS! and are EVIL you HELP THESE MURDERS OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN WITH THIS GARBAGE
Freedom is for those who defend it only
You dont deserve freedom
DO not spit on soldiers, they fight NOT for YOU but for me and those who defend her
You work for the enemy you defend the enemy you do not deserve freedom
SHAME ON YOU!!!!!
Leave america immediately and go to the murderers where you belong
By One_American
June 22, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this
This is a disgusting demonstration of a Liberal’s “Moral Equivalency”.
Mike Luckovich, you owe an appology to America.
By Dean
June 22, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this
Look at the behavior, not the intent. If torture is wrong, then it is wrong no matter who does it. If killing is wrong, then it is always wrong.
Don’t want enemies? Don’t make any.
By brightwinger
June 22, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this
My vote was in favor of the cartoon. First of all, I don’t know Luckovich from Adam.
Whoever he is, he has unwittingly made the very point opposite to his apparent intention.
For a cartoon to work as intended, it must encapsulate a larger truth…well the truth in this case is not where Luckavich apparently wishes it were. As a result, he’s highlighted how ignorant one must be to see any similarity between AQ and US policy.
Anyone who sees the cartoon realizes in stark terms that AQ’s murderous behavior exceeds any imagined bad behavior by the US by 1,000 times.
So the editorial cartoon doesn’t work as intended…it only shines a magawatt spotlight on the monsterous disparity.
Luckavich has unintentionally promoted the absurdity of trying to compare AQ to the US…the very opposite of his apparent intention.
By Barry
June 22, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this
Anyone who defends this cartoon and the message it implies is a scumbag, a traitor, and a soulless bastard.
By Matthew Hoot
June 22, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this
This is the sort of filth which media people sometimes say is justified by the fact that it gets people thinking or wakes people up and starts conversation. Of course, to paraphrase Citizen Kane’s Mr. Bernstein, “There’s no trick to starting a conversation, if all you want to do is start a conversation.” I propose we establish a new award and bestow the first one on Mike Lukovich. It will be the Gerard Finneran Award, named for the man who flew into a rage on an airplane fight and pulled down his pants and defecated on the serving cart. Now he knew how to get people talking! Mr. Lukovich’s work certainly warrants his inclusion in that small but august pantheon.
By Ted Reitsma
June 22, 2006 02:51 PM | Link to this
Hey, Luckobitch, please fall off the earth, you piece of trash. Liberal scum
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this
Blah, Blah, Blah, I’m upset! You Al Qaeda lover, you hate America …. Blah, Blah, Blah.
Dr. Phil would make a killing off of these nutcases!
By Dwight
June 22, 2006 02:52 PM | Link to this
Why not have tomorrow’s cartoon show Luckovich and the rest of the Atlanta Constitution staff urinating on the bodies of Pfc. Kristian Menchaca and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker with their arms sticking out toward the reader with their middle finger raised in tribute to all those who support out soldiers. That would be just as classy as this cartoon.
By Brian Jones
June 22, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this
Let me give you the moral equivilance here. Office Guy A falls asleep at his desk during the work day. Office Guy B downloads porn at work with the company connection. Both are caught, both are fired. Was Guy A breaking a lesser rule than Guy B, yes, dozing off because maybe he didn’t get enough sleep last night may not have been a direct descision of his, hell, getting into that situation may have been the result of some neccesity the previous day. Guy B chose to break a much bigger rule, and by that he’s a whole lot more wrong than Guy A. Problem is, they both violated policy, they’re both in trouble.
America has done some bad things to enemy soldiers, yes. Some of which were poor decisions made in heated moments, where making no decision may have been worse. The situation was not with the troops, they had to do something and face a 25% chance of it being wrong or do nothing and face a 100% chance of that decision being wrong. Some were just plain stupid decisions, not smart or reasonable, but they don’t comprise all of our war mistakes. Tortured Americans on the other hand were victims of far worse circumstances. Death and brutal eviceration and mutilation are extreemly big no-no’s and grounds for international pummeling under the Geneva convention. What’s worse? Its not like the enemy required information from those it tortured, they just did it to scare people. Rotten motivation to the core.
Now before I make my final point that will get me ganked and face-stomped by neo-conservatives, behold: I have stated that America still has a moral high-ground in this by the reasons and the methods used. We are better than Al-Qaida, we are nowhere near that bad, I don’t hate the troops for what has been done, they aren’t evil.
The problem? We both broke the rules, and we both got caught black-hooded, if you will. Both sides have a good deal to answer for when this is over. There’s the equivilance.
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this
Thanks Barry! lol. Exactly what message are you referring too. See some of us see a different message than you - OBVIOUSLY!
By tongueboy
June 22, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this
Mr. Luckovich’s cartoon says far more about him than his intended targets.
Unfortunately for him, a moral compass isn’t something you can order from L.L. Bean…
By tblubrd
June 22, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this
My biggest disappointment is that I don’t have a subscription to your paper. That means I can’t cancel it. You are sick, unpatriotic, and an insult to 99.99% of our American soldiers. I take it that what the terrorists do to innocent civilians is not important. If Michael Yon’s picture of Major Bieger craddling Farah, a little girl who died from a suicide bomber doesn’t move you, then you have no soul.
By Blovis
June 22, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this
It’s nice to see that the AJC has embraced the 5th columnists and Jihadi cheerleaders that so infest the media.
By Jack S.
June 22, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this
Apparently you and your contributors feel that humiliation and beheading are somehow equivalent….. is your tiny world view so myopic that you can’t see any difference between how the US treats its prisoners and how terrorists thugs do?
Get a f—-ing clue.
By Kurt
June 22, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this
Lukovich and the Democrats are committing national suicide. Why do they hate the United States so much? Why the self-loathing? The US is a beacon on the hill, spreading freedom to the world. But to Lukovich, the United States should be exterminated like al-Qaida.
We have an enemy within.
By David Anfinrud
June 22, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this
Moral Equivalence. Just proves that Liberals and Democrats have no clue of the real world. I could care less what the world thinks about the US. We have the right to defend ourselves. It is thinking like that that is costing American lives, Both Military and Civilian. Yet if we have another attack because of all the rules and road blocks and leaking of secrets I can hear you proclaim “Its Bush’s Fault”. No any new attack anywhere in the world is due to weak kneed Liberals that think you can appease someone who hates you. You can not buy off a terrorist. The appeasement policies of the last decade got us labeled as a paper tiger and we can be attacked. Appeasement caused 9-11. Just like your moral equivalency will make those who hate us look as a target that is ripe to kill. Think well what you are saying because it may cause more people to die because there are those who will believe that they can kill and kidnap americans. But it is your right to support terrorism if you want. It is your right to believe that America is Evil. But is my right to believe you are a fool. And that you want another 9-11 at any cost.
By Oyunwe
June 22, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this
I CAME TO AMERICA FROM AN OPPRESSIVE COUNTRY. I WAS TOLD WHEN I CAME HERE TO BE A DEMOCRAT.
BUT WHEN I WENT TO HEAR THE DEMOCRATS SPEAK THEY ALL TOLD MY FRIENDS THAT AMERICA IS BAD AND RACIST AND KILLERS. THEY MUST HAVE NEVER BEEN TO ANOTHER COUNTRY.
I LOVE AMERICA. IT’S SAFE AND GIVE ME OPPURTUNITEES.
I THINK I AM GOING TO CHANGE TO BE A REPUBLICAN.
THANK YOU AMERICA.
By Not Very Bright, Actually
June 22, 2006 03:01 PM | Link to this
By brightwinger June 22, 2006 02:47 PM Luckavich has unintentionally promoted the absurdity of trying to compare AQ to the US…the very opposite of his apparent intention.
Those of us who do know this clown understand that his hatred of America is only surpassed by his hatred of George W Bush.
No, this was intentional.
By Not a Yank
June 22, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this
May I suggest that we deal with the source of the problem, the AJC advertising revenue. Cut off the cash and the demons will starve.
By David McGuire
June 22, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this
The cartoon is evil; the cartoonist is evil; liberals who support this view are evil. And some of the the anti-war liberals in this country have crossed over the line from dissent to treason. Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, and Howard Dean all come to mind. Karl Rove has apparently been quite successful in spreading Bush Delusional Syndrome across liberal enclaves throughout the country. Many are infected and don’t even know it!
By Brian Curtis
June 22, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this
Well, Luckovich, there’s your answer… you need to dumb it down more.
Too many people are just not capable of grasping the point—that lowering ourselves to the level of torturers, to ANY degree, is abandoning our principles. They’re all seeing “moral equivalence” and “hating our troops” and a thousand other paranoid things that aren’t there.
Your audience is just too dim to get cartoons like these, Luckovich. Dumb it down.
By Bill
June 22, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this
Brian Jones, the problem with your arguement is that America is the only party in this war that is subject to any rules. The reality is that we’ll have to answer to the yellow bellied hand wringers when this is all over. The bad guys won’t have to answer to anyone. It’s not that we’re held to a higher standard. It’s that they aren’t held to any standard at all. So save us the equivalency bullsh*t, there isn’t any.
By M. Morgan
June 22, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this
This is another insane moonbat moral equivalence. The difference between us and the terrorists, and it’s a HUGE difference is that we prosecute murder and torture, they condone it. Abu-Ghirab, the America haters’ favorite topic. The military discovered the abuses first and prosecuted the abusers. Everywhere else, we prosecute abuse while the barbarians celebrate abuse.
By Walt
June 22, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this
Bush and Cheney are criminals. They have dragged the honor of the country and of the Flag through the mud. Today’s cartoon is exactly on target.
Walt
By Bill
June 22, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this
After reading some of the previous comments, it certainly looks like very few readers support this kind of twisted, non-humor. Try as I might, I just can’t understand how one can acquire a worldvview like Mr. Luckovich’s. I would bet, however, that Mr. Luckovich’s worldview is shared by 99+% of the reporters and op-ed writers and editors in the US mainstream media. Let’s vote with our pocketbooks and put these miserable excuses for human beings out of business.
By Johnny Griswold
June 22, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this
A dog barking at a terrorist is JUST like eyes gouged out, arms hacked off and heads removed from the body of an American soldier.
I actually support a more brutal form of torture for these muslim animals. The best way to beat the beast is to be a more savage beast.
Crush all those who want islam to rule the world.
By leelu
June 22, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this
Cartoons often == funny
Editorial cartoons == cartoon + message
This one is neither. A waste of ink and column inches.
By Tim McNamara
June 22, 2006 03:10 PM | Link to this
What words are there for such a brilliant display of ignorance and disrespect? To put it simply, Go F**K YOURSELF LUCKOVICH! Get the hell out of the US if you don’t like it!
By Doc Edwards
June 22, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this
No American ever captured by al Queda in Iraq or Afghanistan has survived. All were butchered.
Luckovich is a vicious liberal liar, when he equates al Queda to the US. Go straight to hell, Luckovich, along with the rest of your genuinely evil democrat party.
By Joe Morley
June 22, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this
So, according to this cartoon sanbag on head = brutal torture and beheadings? Hmm, it’s so nice to be enlightened.
By Michael McCullough
June 22, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this
Kman:
*Although people may bluster about Luckovich’s patriotism, etc., I challenge anyone to explain the moral difference between America conducting torture, and al Qaeda conducting torture.
But I won’t hold my breathe waiting for an adult reasonable response.*
Kman, do you actually know what kind of torture was supposedly committed by the United States, when it happened, and who it applied to? You haven’t done your research and don’t know the facts (which is a typical liberal trait).
Kman, let me educate you, Luckovich, and the other airhead liberals on this thread.
According to TIME Magazine, who broke the Gitmo “torture” story, the “torture” at Gitmo sanctioned by the Bush administration lasted only 50 days and applied to only a few select prisoners. TIME reports: -Michael McCullough
Stingray: a blog for salty Christians
By Melissa Powell
June 22, 2006 03:13 PM | Link to this
Only a friggin a*******hole would draw this cartoon, let alone print it.
This is what liberal slanted journalism has done to this country….like lambs to the slaughter.
There is no way in hell the US is anywhere CLOSE to the brutal terrorists the liberals pander to only a daily basis.
You should be ashamed of yourselves.
I am ashamed you are from this country.
By David
June 22, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this
This cartoon is unbelievable, Mike is a complete moron. How can you compare making a prisoner wear pannies vs cutting someone’s freaking head!!??!!! Mike and the AJC are a complete disgrace! I am canceling my subscription!!
Shame, Shame!!!!
By Dan
June 22, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this
Liberals to newspapers as trolls are to message boards.
The truth doesn’t matter, only getting attention.
By rushncap
June 22, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this
Either Mike’s cartoon has brought out a whole stampeding horde of looney right-wing nut-jobs, or li’l andy has waaaaaaay too much time on his hands.
Either way, this foaming at the mouth is hilarious.
By Bryan
June 22, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this
Mike Lucko just wants to out do Ted Rall. Good attempt but he falls short. I can’t belive the website that linked me to this cartoon in The Al Jazerra Constituion let me in The Al Jazerra Constipated Urinal website. I expect no less a ploy by AJC to bump up their sagging circulation, I’m surprised this cartoon wasn’t in Creative Loafing. Oh yeah, You Moonbats who hate America are welcome to leave anytime, just like AirAmerica had to leave Atlanta. I bet my comment won’t get posted since there’s a 5 minute delay,so much for true journalism by The AJC.
By Steve
June 22, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this
So some embarrasing pictures - which while bad, are no worse than you’re average fraternity initiation- is equivalent to cutting off the heads of our soldiers.
Gotcha.
By Goldie
June 22, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this
A question: how many Iraqi civilians have been killed due to the Bush doctrine of “spreading democracy by gunpoint”? Some of you right wing-nuts of course will never look at the fact that tens of thousands of innocent women and children have died because of this disaster that we’ve brought. Maybe they weren’t “tortured” in the conventional sense if that makes you feel any better, but they sure have been blown to smithereens by our bombs and bullets. But I guess they all deserved that in your eyes, simply because they happened to be living in Iraq?
And there have been a few instances of the U.S. torturing our prisoners until they died. I think that goes beyond what some of you want to compare “putting panties on their heads” as the extent of the torture involved.
I can’t believe that we Americans have even gotten to the point where we are having a discussion about whether torturing prisoners should ever be allowed. NO, torture should not ever be allowed by our military prison-keepers! That’s what has made us different from the rest of world in the past, and now we’ve lost that moral high ground forever — thanks to the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld cabal!
By Teresa
June 22, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this
F*** posting messages on this board. I got this b***h’s address & phone #- we’re going to deal with her ourselves. She seems to have a penchant for torture; maybe she should experience some of it, if only psychological (that can be very bad as well). I’ll see what I can do. F*** her.
By halle
June 22, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this
I guess this is this papers ‘last chance texaco.’ Yeah, you have drawn ire, kudos and visability. Enjoy. ….and invest in another line of enterprise. Yesterday. You, as a business, are clueless.
By luvn artman
June 22, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this
After watching and listening now for the past few years the only conclusion I can come to is that today’s brand of liberalism (extreme compared to say JFKs or FDRs) is genetic. They just can’t help themselves. One has no choice but to be such; it’s their “template”. Like being straight or gay, blue-eyed or brown-eyed. No matter what tow that party line even when it is so clearly waaaay off base with the reality of life, not the realities of bumper stickers or politicians.
By hailing frequencies open
June 22, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this
Ooooh, look at the poll results.
Looks like our grassroots beat your grassroots hands down!
/written under the influence of eeeeevil karlrovian thought-control rays
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this
Melissa - I agree, we are nowhere close to them. But are you saying it’s okay if we torture, as long as we don’t torture as bad as they do.
Dang I wish you people could hear yourselves.
By Wade
June 22, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this
I am confused. Who is the hooded fiend on the right holding the American Flag supposed to be? I do not remember a single photo from Abu Ghraib where an American had his head covered. In fact, the picture of an un-masked Nick Berg seated in front of several masked savages was in stark contrast to the pictures of masked prisoners being laughed at by UN-MASKED US troops. Things are always funnier and more powerful when there is an element of truth in them. Mr. Luckovich’s cartoon is meaningless and definitely not funny!
By Steve
June 22, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
Liberals also do this with our law enforcement. A drug dealing gang-banger who shoots three people in cold blood gets midnight vigils and birthday cards. A police officer who is a little rough while detaining a suspect is a “stormtrooper.”
When do we start giving the people who risk their lives to protect us the benefit of the doubt? When do we start supporting them?
By Brian Jones
June 22, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
Bill: Brian Jones, the problem with your arguement is that America is the only party in this war that is subject to any rules. The reality is that we’ll have to answer to the yellow bellied hand wringers when this is all over. The bad guys won’t have to answer to anyone.
First off, thank you for being the first person to respond negatively to me without first tossing out some slur or insult. I appreciate your tone and candor and am glad to hear from you on your opinion.
I was under the impression that we were setting up a new just and fair government in Iraq that would be able to handle this sort of thing. It seems to be the major focus whenever we talk about the good in Iraq, a new democratic government that will protect the freedom of the just. Germans and Japanese war criminals were held accountable after WW2 for their attrocities, why shouldn’t the Iraqis and their allies who have commited them in this war be tried and punished the same? (I know I just called myself on a previous comment of ‘this is a different environment of war’ but why not put forth the effort punish those responsible?)
By David
June 22, 2006 03:23 PM | Link to this
Luckovich is so brave. I mean the US Gov hates cartoons and will put a price on his head now and call for his death…. wait thats the other guys. I guess in Luckovich eyes we are all the same….
By Think B-4 You Speak!
June 22, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this
Teresa’s going to blow up a clinic or something. lol. Somebody get her a drink of water before she explodes.
By michael
June 22, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this
As long as US send people to Guantanamo Bay, we are in no position to lecture anybody else regarding human rights and use of torture. Especially since Cheyney and Rumsfeld have basically endorsed torture as a necessary means. Cartoon illustrates that, yes, we are no better than Al Qaeda and it’s true! Thanks to the Bush Administration for ruining any credibility the US has ever had. Agree with a previous comment, dumb it down, Luckovich! The typical “commie” and “liberal” comments keep flying anytime Bush is criticized. People like this are the reason America is hated so much. So many Americans really are stupid!
By spiff
June 22, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this
I believe that the person who created this offensive cartoon equating the behavior of U.S. troops with the barbarity of Al Qaeda monsters should be forced to spend a couple of days in Gitmo and then a couple of days being detained by Al Qaeda. I think he’ll learn the difference moments before the muzzie butchers saw his empty head off.
By Noel Brainer
June 22, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
This “artist” likely believes his neckline would be adjusted if detained by any US Forces. Vicious and sick anti-American display. Shameful.
Go back to toilet stalls where you likely began.
By Tony
June 22, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
I’m off work today, so I’ll be writing letters to all AJC advertisers stating that the AJC supports the idea that Americans fighting for liberty are equivalent to terrorists.
By Robert Perry
June 22, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
Exactly what is the equivalence between isolated instances of humiliation of prisoners, and repeated instances of Al-Qaida beheading and mutilating whatever prisoner they can find?
Exactly what kind of idiocy does it take for a cartoonist to get fired from your paper?
By It Just Shows How Far That Head Is Up His A-ss
June 22, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
By rushncap June 22, 2006 03:15 PM Either Mike’s cartoon has brought out a whole stampeding horde of looney right-wing nut-jobs, or li’l andy has waaaaaaay too much time on his hands.
leadonosky@ajc.com, y’all are welcome to get in touch with her and see who’s sending all these comments in today. It damn sure ain’t Andy.
It’s great seeing how many people love the United States of America and get down right upset when you mess with her.
I’m lovin it.
It just goes to show you how freaking stupid you liberals are. I have no idea what cartoon boy thought this would accomplish, he’s put an end to his own career.
P.S. rushncrap, it figures that you would be ignorant enough to pay for the “education” you got.
By karl
June 22, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
Sure, feel free to ignore the fact that while their torture is mandated and approved by their leaders, even a hint of abuse here is illegal and punished.
I can see where that would seem equal.
By Dave
June 22, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
I’m an athiest, but things like this “cartoon” make me wish I could pray that Lusavich would someday be tossed out into the real world somewhere, without the protection of folks in our military… aw crap, I’m so PO’d that I can’t think straight. What a gutless, souless, worthless, useless piece of *&^$##%!!!!
By Gumbo
June 22, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this
In the twisted universe of Mike Lukovich: Waterboarding, sleep deprivation, putting panties on someone’s head, and making a naked pyramid are the same as gouging out someone’s eyes, cutting off someone’s p***s, and vivisection WHILE SOMEONE IS ALIVE.
You are no less repugnant than the terrorists (“insurgents” or “militia” or “minutemen” to you media traitors) who performed these acts of barbarity on a living man.
In spite of your treasonous lies, we are actually the most compliant military force to those it’s captured to ever walk the face of the planet. Name one other military force that would give Korans, prayer mats, a menu (all halal, of course) that includes orange glazed chicken, their own spiritual advisors, and better medical care than they’ve ever had in their lives?? And all that care for people who fought in civilian clothes, hiding among civilians, shooting at soldiers freeing a country from a brutal despot like Saddam Hussein??
You are not stupid. You know exactly what you’re doing. You’re on the terrorist’s side, a traitor to this great nation.
By Michael McCullough
June 22, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this
michael:
Especially since Cheyney and Rumsfeld have basically endorsed torture as a necessary means. Cartoon illustrates that, yes, we are no better than Al Qaeda and it’s true!
Wake up, dude, and read my earlier post. There IS no policy of torture endorsed by the United States.
After you read my post, kindly tell me why you’re in such denial and ignorance about the facts and why it’s such a common trait amongst liberals.
-Michael McCullough [Stingray: a blog for salty Christians]9http://www.mcculloughsite.net/stingray/)
By Frank Secreto
June 22, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this
Try playing “amateur cartoonist” in Pakistan! Most of the population their loves al-qaeda, and since the US is indistinguishable from al-qaeda anyway, I’m sure they would welcome a traitor like yourself with open arms!
PS…Yes, I’m questioning Lukovich’s patriotism!
By Disgusted
June 22, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this
I agree with a lot of what I’m reading from other comments. Amazing how horrible these people think America is. America is the Light, and in the eyes of the Left, we’re no better than al Qaeda. Very sad. They don’t even see the irony, do they?
By grendelkhan
June 22, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this
Am I living in some sort of parallel world where it’s a greater sin to talk about wartime atrocities than to actually commit them? Personally, I’m a bit more offended by the actual torturing. How quaint of me.
But I’m glad we have moral clarity here. By golly, our President’s legal staff may claim he has the power to crush your kid’s nuts, but we draw the line at vivisection. What a relief.
By Hawksp
June 22, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this
In 30 years of military service, I have never seen a time where I thought the media was as against the military as they are today. Could they be any more biased or outrageous? They will stop at nothing in demonstrating their hatred for this administration and in fact, this nation.
To sully the memory of these soldiers in order to take a cheap political shot is beyond the pale of a claim to first amendment rights. To even consider a moral equivalent between the rare occurrences of misdeeds by our fighting forces and what was done to the two young men as a matter of routine practice by a vicious enemy, staggers my imagination.
To the author of that vile cartoon, can you even imagine the inhumanity of what was done to their bodies as they still lived and could you still have drawn that cartoon if you had seen it happen?
For three days I prayed for their safe return but expected the worst. I didn’t think the worst could be a fellow American figuring a way to blame us for it happening. Ask yourself this, how much more do you think we in the military are willing to put up with and are you prepared for the consequences?
To the animals who did this, there is no place for you to hide that we who serve cannot find you. As long as I breath and serve, I vow to help find and kill you.
Hawksp
By steve wade
June 22, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this
typical for the Al Jazeera Constitution! What a disgrace to our country…oh yeah… that’s what you wanted!
By Grassroots update
June 22, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this
Do you like this cartoon?
YES 938
NO 8,114
By GreggLD
June 22, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this
I want to put a mark on people like Luckovich. I want to put a mark on their foreheads that says “Do not protect me. I am not worth your life.” Our finest men and women are dying to preserve — what? The right of this worthless, empty, punk-a*s bit of nothing to spit on them. Sickening.
By Steve
June 22, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this
Lukovich is a member of the enemy within America who call themselves American’s along with the AJC and all the liberals in this country.
Someday Civil War Part II will return to America and she will be clean once again.
By Clem
June 22, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
Absolutely correct, Glenn. The lot of wingnuts here is ignorant beyond description and know nothing of WW II or any other war, or even the pathetic shape of today’s military. They’ve never experienced a damned thing in life and are simply goose-stepping goons and variations of Nazi wannabes. At least the Krauts had a semblance of intelligence. These inferior hicks lack even that. The proof always exists in their words.
By Bryan
June 22, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this
Terrorists captured on the battlefield are not entitled to any Geneva Convention rights just like Illegal Ailiens are not entitled to the rights of a U.S. citizen. These terrorits have no country, flag or uniform for whom they fight for. I couldn’t give a diddly damn squat if they’re tortutred. As far as torturing these sh#tbags for info and intelligence to protect our troops and our country I say red is positive and black is negative. MoonBats, quit gazing at yer navel and contemplating good vs. evil. Rest assured we are the good and this is a war for our civilized world as we know it. The terrorist at Club Gitmo you defend with yer faux human rights gak wouldn’t hesitate a second slitting yer throat after he thanks you for getting him released.
By SkyDaddy
June 22, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this
Mr. Lukovich, you are a fool. I could call you many vile names, and they would be appropriate, but “fool” is by far the most fitting. Go look up “fool” in Proverbs. You will see yourself.
Better men than you have died to protect your right to ridicule them.
By steve miller
June 22, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this
How absolutely pathetic. To even joke in the backroom that this country is somehow on equal moral footing with people that commit such barbaric acts in the name of their religion would still be inappropriate and I see this in a major syndicated newspaper…..This nutjob is seriously in contention to take Michael Moores position as head tinfoil brigade captain of the loony left. You have my vote Duffendik.
By Bob
June 22, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this
Nauseating. Mr. Luckovich, you have every right to draw your cartoons. Of course the reason you have that right is because of all those Soldiers and Marines in Iraq and all those who have gone before them. My friend, there is a big difference in what we have done and what happened to those two young soldiers! We prosecute our troops when they do the wrong thing. Al Quaida makes it their policy. You are a sicko if you think the actions at Abu Grab or even Guantanimo remotely compare to what happened to these two soldiers. I pity you pathetic soul.
Bob
By jimmyb
June 22, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this
The prisoners of AQ should be so lucky. Let’s see, panties on my head or off with my head. Hard call for Dem’s I guess.
By jsncpa
June 22, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this
About what I expect.
By Mike Kimbler
June 22, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this
Once again, Lukovich shows his true colors…he’s a self-loathing tool of the Murtha wing of the liberal party. His chicken scratch drawings may win awards for being “Best Tool”, but his drawings show his total lack of any ethics and morality. He’s just another shill, devoid of any moral compass…incapable of rational thought and truth. His moral equivalancies are stunning in their total lack of truth. In a word, he’s disgusting.
By barney
June 22, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this
This garbage is why i stopped long ago reading or buying the Atlanta Urinal and Constipation.
By another that really hates this
June 22, 2006 03:57 PM | Link to this
I only regret I don’t have a subscription to the AJC to cancel over this.
BTW get a real server, cheap bastards.
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this
Well I see Goldie at 3:18 has joined Midori in claiming the US military has tortured people to death. Anybody want to bet on which one will provide anything to support that claim first?
Don’t worry it’s a trick question, the correct answer is neither.
By Ed Sanford
June 22, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this
It is sad that an American would equate savage acts of barbarism(mutilating and beheading)to anything they do or have done at Ahbu Graib or Guantanamo. You are totally void of common sense and biased against your own people. You are so blind with hate and bias against anything Bush that the facts don’t even enter into your arguments, therefore making you impossible to debate since you are neither honest or logical. FACTS ARE that out of the thousands of troops in Iraq, only a very, very small # have actually done anything criminal(and we are prosecuting them). Compare that to ALL(that means 100%) of the insurgents that have killed innocent civilians purposefully, including even children, beheaded people, blown up mosques etc. Is it possible for you to use your talents for something good? I sincerely doubt it…..
By @@
June 22, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this
Think B-4 You Stink:
So, it’s the he who posts last kicks a*s syndrome. I’ll play.
I’m not delusional unless, of course, you consider yourself THE WHOLE COUNTRY. I stated that I wondered if those brave young men would be eager to die to protect those who so quickly accuse them of slaughter.
Have you accused them of that? This is your first day posting under B-4, but you could have posted under another name and said that, I don’t know. Your approach and tactics are familiar.
Now obviously you have seen me on this board before, which would lead me to believe you are someone who has assumed a new name for some unknown reason. You’ve seen me suffering from delusions of grandeur on a daily basis? Now whose laughing? I’m using the name I always use. Why do you feel the need to change yours?
I wasn’t yelling at you. Do you think all things done on this board are centered on you? Nevermind, you probably do. Everybody else has been yelling. I just wanted to join in to see what it felt like.
I swear, I cannot recall a time when I have ever told anyone here that they were wrong, nor have I insisted that they view my opinions as right.
You, on the other hand, end your last post to me with this:
But at least I was right about something!
So tell me what, in your self-important mind, does that statement ^^^^^ indicate?
By Mephistefales
June 22, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this
Luckovich —
If you’re going to be a rotten apologist, why not do it right?
I’ll gladly pay your travel fare to go personally apologize to a terrorist. I’m sure he’ll be grateful and change his mind about America forthwith.
That’s the problem with liberals. They don’t believe that there are evil people who revel in American deaths. Only misunderstood underdog heroes.
It’s easy to feel that way from the comfort of a secure suburban life bought by the blood of centuries of true heroes.
America only has two possible futures: 1)security through the riddance of the radicals who would impose their (or Allah’s) will on us (we win) 2)a future of Dhimmitude and subserviance to our new masters (they win). They will not negotiate. It’s against their religion (although cutting off the genitals of their enemies isn’t).
I’m willing to put panties on the head of every gat-dang terrorist punk in Iraq to get this business fixed.
By Elizabeth
June 22, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this
This cartoon illustrates why Main Stream Media is irrelevant to the facts. I have been calling the “AJC” the “Atlanta Jazeera Constipation” for quite some time now. Everyone is welcome to use my interpretation of AJC if you want. Littlegreenfootballs.com has a link to this. It’s a great site!
By Synova
June 22, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this
Yes, I can definately see the equivalence of torture, beheading and desecration and three culturally sensative meals a day.
Yup. Same thing.
No one had to teach Al Qaida or Saddam or any other despot in that region how to torture people. Trying to take credit for this is incredible hubris. Is it not possible in any of your minds for anyone in the whole world to have an original thought?
Not all the world is America. That’s the title of a song… not one from an American band in America. People have lives without us. Quite often they have crappy lives.
Saddam ran children’s prisons. Abu Ghraib, until we dozed it, included a human abbitoir building. His sons tortured and raped people for sport. Judicial punishment in Afghanistan and Iran include stoning people to death.
None of them needed permission for any of this. None of them was previously restrained by world opinion. Just try getting Iran to care that you care that they execute homosexuals. Yeah, right.
They NEVER DID care.
Trying to claim that somehow Al Qaida or anyone else has become more barbaric is delusional.
In the beginning of this war Al Qaida treated prisoners the same. They have always grotesquely mutilated bodies. They disemboweled the aid worker, Ms. Hassan, who never did any of them any harm, and left her body in the street. When did we show them how to disembowel an aid worker?
But no… these children, these primative innocents, can’t even be EVIL without help.
By Tonito
June 22, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this
Michael L.: Your latest touches too closely to reality and truth. It will bring forth the anger of every cowardly, Jesus/Patriot-spouting Repub cockroach on this blog. From out of the walls and dumpsters they will come, shrieking their never-ending hatred at you. That’s good, as we need to remember that these never-wents are the people who sucked AWOL Bush into office and are responsible for all this nation’s ills. Further responsible for every totally wasted death and wound in Iraq.
By Brian Curtis
June 22, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this
Some very interesting comments from the right-wing loonies here today. It seems that when you get them really hysterical, the truth slips out.
Notice that none of them have denied that the U.S. abuses and tortures people. No, their only defense is “But it’s not equivalent to what Al-Qaeda does! We’re not as bad as the terrorists!”
It’s sad that America has been reduced to this… and all because of cowards who’ve been terrorized into handing over the ideals of America in hopes of saving their miserable lives. You traitorous neocon drones disgust me.
By Fernando Caballero
June 22, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this
Mr Luckovich is a fool. He is making political and comedy related points by drawing some kind of moral equivalence between some terrorists showing up in a pile naked and what these Al-Quaida terrorists have done to two of our military personnel and their bodies???
If half of what Al-Quaida did to those Marines (icluding decapitation and other evil things) are correct, Guantanamo is a Holiday Inn, for at least they can choose their own Koran down the toilet and call it a day.
By Chris
June 22, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this
Some would argue:
If anyone resolves that the U.S. is just like terrorists or Al Quaeda - then so be it… May the best freedom fighters win. That would be the U.S., the Navy, Marines, Army, Air Force Freedom Fighters, of course. Anything else is sub-standard.
Although, they would argue that they see the two entirely different.
By chris morgan
June 22, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this
I heard about this cartoon on the radio today. I saw it and thought “I’m glad I subscribe to the Financial Times”. Is ML serious? Me thinks winning al dem Pulitzers don gon to his head. This is another poor attempt to bring moral relativism to the table. “Their bad people but so are we. Lets pick up our toys and go home.” Not buying it for one sec.
By Russ O
June 22, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this
Typical leftist, Anti-American “Humor”. I wonder if this clown would have had a different point of view if he was one of the poor souls who was forced to decide between jumping to his death out of the 104th flr of the Twin Towers or staying an burning to death? Ya think??
By John
June 22, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this
Just when I think that you b*astards have reached the bottom along comes Luckovich and pushes the bottom down a bit more. The left in this country is simply taking up space.
By DD
June 22, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this
If Repigs had their way, and they may one day, all liberals would be sent to concentration camps.
Great cartoon ML!
By Blaise MacLean
June 22, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this
Fortunately for Lukowich, he lives in a free country, and can express himself as he wishes.
But so can I.
The fact that Mr. Lukowich regards the torture and decapitation of his young fellow citizens as the equivalent of the treatment of U.S. prisoners at Guantanamo Bay demonstrates that his obvious hatred for his fellow Americans, for his country and its duly elected leader have skewed his perspective.
I would suggest that, if given a choice, the two privates who were tortured (or even the prisoners at Guantanamo) would, if given the choice, choose to sojourn at Gitmo, rather than endure what Mr. Lukowich regards as “equivalent” treatment at the hands of Al Qaeda in Iraq.
Mr. Lukowich is, I believe, an embarassment to his newspaper, his country and probably even his mother.
By the way, I am not an American; I am a Canadian, and I express my condolences to the US for the loss of the three fine men who died in that horrible incident.
Blaise MacLean
By Foo
June 22, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this
Al Queda and the US Army are equivalent! Ah yes, the US Army has a squad that flies aircraft full of civilians into buildings to kill civilians. At Gitmo we slaughter poor innocent people and behead them on videotape over 7 minutes. Luckovich gives comfort and aid to murderers.
By Goldie
June 22, 2006 04:13 PM | Link to this
RW— I’m tired of doing your research for you these days. Get off your lazy fat @ss and do your own research for a change — you may actually learn something other than neo-con rhetoric. BTW, there’s plenty of links you can Google: try “Iraq prison torture death” for a start.
By Russ O
June 22, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this
Hey Brian Curtis,
You certainly are al-Qaeda’s Useful Idiot, aren’t you?
By Michael Norwood
June 22, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this
This editorial cartoon by Luckovich descends to a new low in what has become an increasingly disturbing trend. I’m not the first to use the phrase ‘blame America first’ and probably won’t be the last but this cartoon is just the latest example of that trend. I’ll be the first to admit that America has made mistakes in its foreign policies and in its conduct of the war in Iraq. But, when there have been allegations of prisoner abuse, the allegations are investigated to determine whether charges need to be filed. As a matter of fact, we have some Marines at Camp Pendleton right now awaiting a trial. The Islamic terrorists, in contrast, saw off people’s heads with pocketknives and videotape it for the internet. To even suggest that the U.S. engages in similar behavior is an outrageous lie and should not be tolerated by any publication. We have freedom of speech but that freedom, for which American soldiers have given their lives, entails responsibility. This cartoon is utterly degrading and reprehensible. I would recommend that the AJC find another cartoonist.
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this
Brian Curtis,
No I didn’t notice that none of the posters here denied that the U.S. abuses and tortures, goofball. In fact dozens of people have denied that and said that in the rare cases that a few soldiers do something wrong we prosecute them.
By Brian Jones
June 22, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this
Steve: Lukovich is a member of the enemy within America who call themselves American’s along with the AJC and all the liberals in this country. Someday Civil War Part II will return to America and she will be clean once again.
If there was ever an example of why the social Liberals call social Conservatives a bunch of violent jingoistic nutjobs, it this. A broad sweeping generalization lumping all infavor of economicly liberal policies and socially liberal policies into a group, declaring them less than human in your eyes, and then threatening death upon them. Hmm… dangerous cultural generalizations, dehumanization, threats of force and violence… this sounds like a certain group to me. Could it be Al-Qaida? I don’t know why I’d think terrorizing groups that disagree with your philosphy would sound like terrorism.
Maybe its because people like this have bought into the buzzword so hard, that they can’t see that some of the very things said in its name are terroristic in nature.
Yes, Steve, I’m calling you un-American and a wannabe Terrorist. Get a grip on yourself and the situation at hand. They have won if you’d wish death on your fellow man over words and pictures. They wan’t you to hate and rage. They want you slobbering at the mouth at your hatered of the left. Just like they want the left running in fear, hiding in holes, and shrinking away from every action that might occur against them. They’ve thrown a majority of the right into a battle-frenzy while cowing a majority of the left into an apologistic retreat. They’ve divided America because we let them get to us, and let them blind us to the fact that Americans will disagree on things.
Let it go or at least let it simmer down Steve. You want a civil war? What’s going to happen to the world if America is fighting itself? Who’s going to depose fould men who use terror and religious-fundamentalism to destroy their people? The UN? Hell no, they can’t do a thing without the US to give it teeth.
Debate got us through the Revolution against England. If you don’t recall, not all of the colonies wanted into the fight. We were able to civily debate the issues at hand and reach a consensus that freed America from a Tyranical Monarch and still kept the Colonies from ripping the Alliance apart once the war was over. Would you want to see that happen just because some guy drew a cartoon? Because some person said that American’s torturing the enemy is as bad as the enemy torturing Americans? Both sides in this failed the moment they started arguing because neither side took a step back and came in with a level head. Now no one can win because its a matter of pride and near-to holy war of words.
Both sides seem content to fling insults befiting of middle-school boys in a fight on the play-ground. Foul language and insults just waste everyones time and cloud the issues. Post with some fervor and thought, people. Even if we don’t agree, we can still show a united front to our enemies by not slashing throats over it. Unite in discourse, not disgust.
By Fritz
June 22, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this
Disgusting! This fool actually believes there’s an equivalence between torture and beheading captives and putting panties on a prisoner?
Outrageous. I wish I still had a subscription to the AJC just so I could cancel it.
By Birdie Redman
June 22, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this
It’s NOT called free speech when these cowards at the AJC refused to print the Mohammad cartoon and Luckovich never stood by fellow Danish cartoonist! They cower in fear at the thought of getting hurt by their Muslin friends.
The latest AJC circulation figures show readership DOWN by 6.7%. Anyone want to guess why.
By @@
June 22, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this
For the record let me make my opinions clear on this topic. I am insulted on behalf of our military that ml would print such an abominable accusation.
This enemy is unlike any we have fought before. They do not fight for a country, they do not wear uniforms, they are reviled all over the world for their atrocities. Tolerance of their radicalism has not served any country in which they reside. Their tactics are an insult to the true Islam and those who follow it’s teachings.
It is a shame that we must resort to any type of torture, but again I say. Water up the nose may be uncomfortable, but at least they’ll be there tomorrow so we can put water up their nose again. Perverts like to sniff panties, so what’s the problem with these perverts having to sniff a few. Maybe it will render info that will save our troops.
By DD
June 22, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this
The disturbing tred is that Repig led US condones torture.
By kevin
June 22, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this
truly sad.
what a horrible way to besmirch your good and accurate artwork, such as the Grizzard ‘Pearly Gates’ or the “weeping Statue of Liberty’offerings.
Luckovich, even you must realize that this is beyond the pale, and you have damaged your own artistic reputation and the reputation of the AJC.
I expect to see some sort of editorial retraction, but to allow this to go to print is unforgivable.
shame on you, sir.
By Marvin
June 22, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this
This is the most disgusting item I have EVER seen in the AJC.
To equal US Personnel with the Islamic Butchers, who torture and mutilate for their personal pleasure demostrates your total hatred of AMERICA. The one nation, where you can print such trash without fear of prison.
Mike, you need to apologize to the men and women who DEFEND your FREEDOM.
By Midori
June 22, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this
Russ O
you’ve shown yourself to be one of the biggest idiots on this blog.
WTF does the Twin Towers have to do with the illegal occupation of Iraq?
there were no terrorists there until your moronic president opened up the floodgates of H*ll.
You people are pathetically stupid.
Keep on hanging onto those crosseyed talking points. And your filthy lies.
By DD
June 22, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this
Wow!
Looks like the racist dittoheads on WSB have freeped the poll!
By Thomas
June 22, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this
Thank God for the First Amendment. Its abuse by oponents of victory during wartime saves us the trouble of rooting out and exposing treasonous scum like Mike Lukovich and the AJ&C.
By steven
June 22, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this
This is one of the most despicable things I have ever seen.
Especially coming just a day or so after two of our servicemen were mutiliated and beheaded.
I respect the cartoonists right to draw whatever he sees fit, and to make whatever point he desires. But it works both ways - others can comment on him, as well.
And my comment is - for shame. This is absolutely beyond the pale.
By Hening
June 22, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this
Wonder if the families of the butchered American POWs find any humor in this type of trash? This is either a cartoon by a pro-Islamic Fascist or an uniformed dunce that should get informed about what happens to American POWs by Al-Qaeda.
What’s on page 17? The bit about putting underpants on someone’s head? That seems to be the worse the USA can do when it comes to torture. No cartoon of that stark contrast.
By Allan Hamilton
June 22, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this
If Luckovich is so proud of his work, I wonder if he would send a copy to the family of the slain soldiers? If not, then there’s absolutely no justification for it to have been sent to the editors for publication.
Remember Lucky, character is defined by what you do when no one is looking.
Hambone
By Independent minded
June 22, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this
It just dumbfounds me that liberals will attack those who protect them and defend those who would kill them. Like Savage say…”Liberalism is a mental disorder.”
New slogan for the Democrat party… Help America Surrender…Vote Democrat!
By steve miller
June 22, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this
Hey Clemo, What you lack besides your narcissistic superiority over the rest of us “wingnuts” is a grasp of the obvious. This cartoon has nothing at all to do with history or WW2 or whatever other subject you would like to interject in here to muddle up the discussion. Let me explain it for you. It’s about moral equivilance…plain and simple. This is not some “nuanced” cartoon you and your tinfoil commarades like to use. Your transparent attempt to degrade others by changing the subject matter into something about WW2 or some other nonsense, is straight out of the liberal textbook. What examples did you provide exactly in defense of your position? You can tell yourself all day long how brilliant you are, but the majority of people that have voted on this cartoon disagree with it. So your either some unique, brilliant individual who is somehow able to see what the rest of society cannot or your a disillusioned, psychotic individual who is hanging on to the last thread of reality he can by trying to put everybody else down to elevate your worthless and useless ego. I’ll go with number 2.
By Midori
June 22, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this
Why are all the posts suddenly starting to sound just alike?
Andy must truly be exhausted about now.
By Gary
June 22, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this
Contemptuos can’t come close to what the AJC and Luckovich have stooped to with their editorial slam on the American serviceman in the June 22nd edition of the Al Jazeera Constitution.To even suggest the rumored murder or harassment committed by American troops is the same as the heinous murder and barbarism committed by these islamist animals is unfathomable.The AJC and Luckovich have every right bought for them with the blood of American serviceman from the beginning of this country,to slam their good name and character and I have the same right, as a combat veteran of the Vietnam War,to CONDEMN them.Now we know why the media in this country is referred to as the Fifth column!
By Dan
June 22, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this
“By DD
June 22, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this
Wow!
Looks like the racist dittoheads on WSB have freeped the poll!”
I’m in an inter-racial marriage, and as right wing as you can get.
So why don’t you shut the fu ck up already?
By Brad
June 22, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this
Your cartoonist is a f******* a*****e!
By DD
June 22, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this
Torture…just another ugly facet of the Reagan legacy.
By ken guffin
June 22, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this
this is one more reason I no longer subscribe to the atlanta urinal and constipation……….no american patriot could possibly come up with this cartoon…just please don’t make fun of muhammed or you will have a real revolt!
By Steve
June 22, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this
Hey Brian. You’re tiring. You opine way too much.
By Marty
June 22, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this
SHAME!
By Vatican Lectures
June 22, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this
Looks like GI JOE’s been a little too frisky with his kung fu grip, eh?
By George
June 22, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this
Shut up and grow up, little Steve Miller. Remember always that you are but another insect in the jar. Peddle your ignorance elsewhere.
ML: funny how truth sends inferiors into blind hysteria. Look at them all! Your toon is waaay over the heads of Republiscum. As always: They know not that they know not that they know not.
By Brian Jones
June 22, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this
By Brad June 22, 2006 04:32 PM Your cartoonist is a f—- a——-!
I’m sorry there seems to be some static there. A free anchovi? A fast airman? A fine asprin? I think we need some clarification. I’m certain that whatever you said was extreemly eloquent.
By Green Manalishi
June 22, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Midori looks like a flounder flipping around on hot pavement.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this
Steve,
Good point and I think that goes for both the babbling Brians.
Goldie,
So you envision an America where you throw out unfounded allegations and then make the accused or their supporters prove your charge is false? Thank God you won’t ever be in charge again.
By Goldie
June 22, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this
Must be mostly the Neal Boortz trolls on board the blog today… almost to a person they have the exact same thing to say: “moral equivalence” and “panties on the head” etc. Free speech sure resonates better when you can use your own words, instead of what’s been fed to you via your favorite talk radio hatemonger. How impressive.
By john
June 22, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this
Wow. Not clever, not funny, and not true. Well done. The last time I saw work this good a two year old was finger painting.
By Brian Curtis
June 22, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this
Interesting to see the “moral absolutists” suddenly rush to relativism when it comes to our soldiers’ actions. Where there used to be strict standards of right and wrong, now it’s all “We’re not quite as bad as Saddam!” and “But they’re eeeevil, so that makes it okay!”
Well, here’s news folks: No. It doesn’t make it okay.
It’s a simple concept, but it seems beyond a lot of the terrorized lemmings backing Bush these days. America Does Not Torture. Either we have standards, or we don’t.
What’s it gonna be, folks? It doesn’t matter what the enemy’s doing; it matters what WE do in response. Do we play by the rules and stick to our ideals? Or do we chicken out and resort to torturing and abusing prisoners (something we never thought we’d be seriously debating, even a few years ago)?
Answer the question, wingnuts: Do we torture prisoners, or don’t we? The fact that we even HAVE to ask is because of the degradation Bush has inflicted on this nation.
By dohrman crawford
June 22, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this
This is just about the final straw for this newspaper for me. Equating the butchers who murdered our two soldiers with our troops is going too far. It is a shame that a cartoonist with that much artistic talent has a brain that doesn’t match up to it.
By Eileen Thiede
June 22, 2006 04:46 PM | Link to this
This cartoon is despicable and a slap in the face to the families of the brave Americans who were tortured, whose bodies were mutilated beyond recognition, who had their genitals stuffed in their mouths while they were still alive and then had their heads hacked off by the sadists of al-Qaeda. How dare you suggest that Americans are even close to that despicable bunch of barbarians.
Bothered by detainees at Gitmo having panties put on their heads??? Well, at least they had heads to put them on.
Mike Luckovich, you are a disgrace.
By Brian Jones
June 22, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this
Steve: You opine way too much.
opine: v,to speak one’s opinion without fear or hesitation
Why thank you very much Steve. I’m glad to hear I’m getting that across successfully.
By Brian
June 22, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this
Your seditious cartoon shows your intellect somewhere between ‘developmentally delayed’ and completely mentally retarded. Cutting off a soldier’s p***s and shoving implements into his eye sockets and then sawing off his head with a rusty knife, to you, is morally equivalent to U.S. behavior? Moron.
By Paranoid Dumna-ss Midori
June 22, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this
Yeah, Midori, slobbering idiot, I’m all over Atlanta radio and up in the national press right now too.
You libs don’t need any help losing, you’ve got that down pat.
By Jack
June 22, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this
A fair commentary, Michael L. Most things are quite relative, are they not. Acceptance of reality is refused often by the herd.
From what rectum did this Steve Miller crawl?
By David M. Frost
June 22, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this
Equivocation between the United States and al Qaeda is not humorous, not poignant, not in good taste, not morally defensible and not the sort of thing that should appear in a respectable newspaper.
By docdave
June 22, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this
Nice propaganda piece fot the Al Qeada. How much did they pay you for it? 30 pieces of silver perhaps.
By Dean
June 22, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this
See, here’s the thing. We think we’re the good gusy and have a right to do whatever’s necessary to defend ourselves. We think that they’re evil.
Hey, guess what? They think they’re the good guys, that they have a right to do whatever to defend themselves. They think that we’re evil.
But hey, we’re REALLY the good guys, right? It’s all ok because we’re REALLY the good guys! Trust us!
What morons. The comments here lead me to one conclusion - the average American is an IDIOT. But keep voting Republican and flying your flags, you ignorant, trailer-trash scumbags. If we torture, we’re as guilty as they are. We’re as evil as they are. Learn it.
By UKnowWho
June 22, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this
Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God.
Who r U?
By I suppose Andy Made Him Draw The Cartoon?
June 22, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this
Nope, your boy frigged this one up all on his own.
I wonder if the new cartoonist will be a wingnut?
Bwahahahahahahaha
By Jar Jar Binks
June 22, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this
Excellent cartoon. Sums up my feelings on U.S. hypocrisy perfectly.
By Proud American
June 22, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this
Hmm. Interesting. I guess the Atlanta Jackass-Confederate will next be doing a story on how we held our own troops without charging them for weeks, didn’t let them have access to books, only access to 1hr of daylight per day, they had to where shackles and cuffs all of the time, we spent a third of the amount on their food as on Gitmo Bay prisoners, and all because a few Iraqis claimed that they killed someone. Probably not. That would be fair journalism. The bleeding hearts weren’t there then. However, when word cam out that we were letting prisoners at Gitmo have access to a few hours of daylight per day, we spent more on their food then we do on our own troops, we let them have access to books, prayer rugs, and the International Red Cross, that these same prisoners tell the guards that when they get out they will kill their families and every American they can, our guards eat meals with some of them, and privacy is a top concern with rugs over cell windows, etc, the bleeding hearts were outraged. Why? Because people were being held their without being charged. So, where are the bleeding hearts now? Amnesty International only today released a press statement saying that they are appauled by the torture and killing recently of our 2 soldiers. That release, by the way, isn’t even on their front page. Angelina Jolie hasn’t uttered a word about the horror that 2 of our finest soldiers went through before being killed.
By Proud American
June 22, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this
Hmm. Interesting. I guess the Atlanta Jackass-Confederate will next be doing a story on how we held our own troops without charging them for weeks, didn’t let them have access to books, only access to 1hr of daylight per day, they had to where shackles and cuffs all of the time, we spent a third of the amount on their food as on Gitmo Bay prisoners, and all because a few Iraqis claimed that they killed someone. Probably not. That would be fair journalism. The bleeding hearts weren’t there then. However, when word cam out that we were letting prisoners at Gitmo have access to a few hours of daylight per day, we spent more on their food then we do on our own troops, we let them have access to books, prayer rugs, and the International Red Cross, that these same prisoners tell the guards that when they get out they will kill their families and every American they can, our guards eat meals with some of them, and privacy is a top concern with rugs over cell windows, etc, the bleeding hearts were outraged. Why? Because people were being held their without being charged. So, where are the bleeding hearts now? Amnesty International only today released a press statement saying that they are appauled by the torture and killing recently of our 2 soldiers. That release, by the way, isn’t even on their front page. Angelina Jolie hasn’t uttered a word about the horror that 2 of our finest soldiers went through before being killed.
By Steve
June 22, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this
Midori, please open your eyes and get an education. Stop drinking the cool-aid of ignorance.
Oh…and please do not vote!
By The Presence
June 22, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this
Good job, AJC. I trust any paper that would equate a Geneva Convention Signatory with beheading, mutilating savages. Obviously, you guys have no agenda nor axe to grind.
It must be nice to sit in your ivory tower, mocking heroes and judging combat vets. It is tragic that you spend your waking hours dreaming of ways to mock those who spent their last hours in agony and alone, carved up and butchered, surrounded only by their heartless captors because their nation put them in harm’s way. I guess this scene is a diseased inspiration to Lukovich. Maybe his time would be better spent abusing small animals than working for this paper.
And for that paper, the fact that it published this garbage speaks volumes about their editorial staff and the quality of their product, much less your subversive traitorous attitude that loathes the country that makes your lives and business possible.
By Midori
June 22, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this
Something everyone needs to watch: Frontline/The Dark Side; Dick Cheney
By Jay not jay
June 22, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this
Dean,
Go up to a Vet coming back from Iraq, repeat your 4:58 post to them, then show them that idiotic cartoon and see what happens. Moron!
By Marty In Florida
June 22, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this
Great cartoon. Thank you. I understand now. Mutilating faces and cutting off heads = Humiliating poses and sleep depravation. I find it amusing that the AJC would not publish the Mohamed cartoons for fear of offending Muslims, yet exercises no such editorial restraint when offending the US Military. I wish I could subscribe to the AJC, if only to cancel my subsrciption out of protest. Oh yeah, and Go Gators!
By Where's Your Mirror?
June 22, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this
Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God. WHO ARE YOU?
By Proud American
June 22, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this
Liberals seem to be very supporting of other nations troops, prisoners, etc. Unless it is the United States. Then they don’t support our troops. These are the same people who want to take back Congress in November. By the way, try reading todays top headline. WMDs Found in Iraq. Recently declassified papers show that over 500 wmds have been found in Iraq. Look at any of the major news network websites. Shouldn’t be a hard story to find. Unless of course it is CNN. Then it might be hidden in some small cramped corner, so noone can see it.
By MadMonk
June 22, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this
Unbelievable. Luckovich, you are a dispicable, disgusting, less-than-human piece of vile trash.
By pikkumatti
June 22, 2006 05:18 PM | Link to this
This cartoon shows the utter ignorance of the cartoonist and the editor. To those two, truth does not matter — only hyperbole for the sake of drawing attention to themselves.
Misson accomplished. Much attention has been drawn. But truth remains a casualty.
I feel sorry for the cynics who are the cartoonist, and the editor, and those who buy into this lie.
By Thomas
June 22, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this
Ok —-
So the right says it’s ok to torture —
Yay — I’m with you guys — Lets start with the gitmo’s — Beheading them all and dragging them through the streets — We will do just like they do!
Yes that would be a great image for our enemies. We the American people have no issues in torturing people! Beware you islamist! Your next!
Huh? What do you mean no? — ok well - I guess we will continue with the civilized tortures as described by Rummy - I mean it’s - uhhh safe and not quite as - uhh - bad… Sleep deprivation, standing for hours - scare tactics.. yeah just as long as there are no marks~! good ol’ clean American good fun-time torture!
America - we have a problem!
At least we still have a military court that keeps us somewhat in check and follows the laws and proper procedure when a few of our military forget their responsibilities. I also point out that the massive majority of our military would never lower their morals and resort to torture. We have some very good people in Iraq doing whats right far and above the call of duty. I wish all of our military was of that caliber, but we do get some that are not, and thats when we should let the military investigations, and the courts do their job.
I do hope that people here realize that we are very seriously close to the edge of becoming a country that has lost their honor if we abandon our own morals of checks and balances. We are suppose to be a fair and just country represented as a superpower, not a country that abuses our superpower strength in thuggary. For now we still have our honor as we prosecute the few bad apples. But should we ever accept torture as standard operating procedure, or justify it as needed in certain times, then we do become the man in the hood that Luckovich portrayed. I pray we never stoop that low!
However many here have done just that - said it’s ok that we have done these things. It’s not that bad, it’s needed , etc.
Good job Mike — you have the right wing extremist screaming on the radio airwaves with this one. They are howling for your bloood!~
But you definitly made a point! At least to me!
By AJCvsAmerica
June 22, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this
This is a new low even for the AJC.
Why do people think liberals hate America? Because they do.
By Todd
June 22, 2006 05:21 PM | Link to this
This confirms it…Luckovich has sunk to the disgusting depths of Ted Rall and any thoughts I might have had about subscribing to the AJC are gone.
By D Rumsfeld
June 22, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this
My boyhood heroes? First would be Torquemada - that guy absolutely kicked some serious a*s. Next would be Idi Amin. I mean that dude actually ate his enemies. What cahones! Third would probably be Jeff Dahmner - not a big time player, but those f*g coons almost certainly had it coming.
By Why Did The Title Change?
June 22, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this
The title of this cartoon was “Pot to Kettle” until 4:10 today when it changed to “Book on Torture”, WHY?
By Cory Davenport
June 22, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this
So now it’s okay to say American soldiers are just like the terrorists?!? It’s a perfect cartoon for the American Left who hates our country…not so perfect for people who like the truth. When was the last time US soldiers captured two terrorists, mutilated them, tortured them, decapitated and burned them and left them in a ditch!!! Exactly.
By Joe
June 22, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this
Hey d*******..Yes you lukobitch..Your girlfriend Ted Rall is on the phone!!!
By JERM THE REPUBLICAN
June 22, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this
WHAT IS THE MISSION OF OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ?
SIMPLE ANSWER: TO SECURE IRAQ WHILE ITS GOVERMENT BECOMES STABLE AND EFFECTIVE ENOUGH TO PROTECT ITS OWN PEOPLE.
HOW FUC-KIN HARD WAS THAT TO FIGURE OUT?
ANY MORE BRAIN BUSTERS?
BY THE WAY, SARIN GAS IS HIGHLY LETHAL. THE TOKYO SUBWAY TRAGEDY INVOLVED AMOUNTS OF LESS THAN 1/10,000TH OF WHAT WAS FOUND IN IRAQ. YOU CAN POUR IT IN A ROOM AND THE ODOR ITSELF CAN KILL THOUSANDS. NO NEED TO FIRE IT OFF. WHO CARES IF IT WAS PRE-1991. SADDAM LIED TO UN INSPECTORS ABOUT POSSESSING IT.
FIRST THE LIBS WANT PROOF OF WMD’S AND NOW THEY SAY “THESE AREN’T THE RIGHT ONES”. WHICH ONES WERE WE EXACTLY LOOKING FOR THEN? WMD’S ARE WMD’S, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
LUCKOVICH AND THE REST OF THE LIBS ARE TRAITORS. A DOG BARKING IN A TERRORISTS FACE DOESN’T EVEN COMPARE TO HAVING YOUR HEAD AND GENITALS SAWED OFF WITH A RUSTY BLADE.
By Will Jones
June 22, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this
Mike Luckovich is the true heir to the genius of Herblock.
We of Atlanta should be most grateful for the AJC’s providing his brilliance in our local paper.
Those who object to the unfortunate truth in today’s offering have probably not bothered to read PhD David Ray Griffin’s “New Pearl Harbor,” or to even click on Video Google’s “Loose Change 2nd Ed.”
The obvious and unalterable fact is that Iraq is a false war committed by Big Oil’s fraudulently selected Bush administration, predicated on 9/11: which was treasonously committed by the Bush/Nixon Fifth Column faction.
More than 2500 of us have been killed based on the proven lies of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Bush.
Recompense to the community of nations for America’s having permitted this turpitude and treason in our name should be made by the complete adjudication and punishment for the Treason and Misprision of Treason that is so readily apparent.
Read Logic Professor Griffin’s book, or save the $15.00 and simple click on “Loose Change 2.”
Isn’t Our Nation’s posteriy and honor worth that much trouble?
To those “family values” “conservatives” who wish to defend the pathetic draft-dodgers who have sullied America’s honor with White House-approved rendition and torture: please give a moral justification for homosexual prostitute “Jeff Gannon’s” two-years of social visits, including overnight stays, to Skull & Bones-member, President Bush’s residential quarters at The People’s Mansion.
By Ben Jabituyah
June 22, 2006 05:32 PM | Link to this
Lukovich is absolutely right. The U.S. is taking a hypocritical stance on torture.
By Peaches
June 22, 2006 05:33 PM | Link to this
This cartoon is garbage. Moral equivilence between America and the butchering of two American soldiers is only the latest evidence of the AJC’s hatred for America. It’s dishonest and disloyal. As for all the far left wingnuts who are trying to defend this crap, let’s have an election and find out what the American people think about your politics.
By N-GA
June 22, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this
Hey Bed Wetter (Andy),
Still around? You never did respond intelligently to my post about this toon. But I will answer your question, since you seem to repeat it almost every day. Yes, I received mail from the Federal Government. So did my father, two of my brothers, my brother-in-law, and many friends.
My immediate family’s total active service exceeds 83 years (5 of us). We don’t blame GWB for the loss of our personal info. However, we hold this administration accountable for how they react if the data gets used for fraud. Specifically, we would expect that the government pay the credit reporting agencies to put a stop on all credit issuance unless specifically authorized/approved. This is a service offered by Equifax & TransUnion for a fee ($$$).
Why in the world would YOU want to know if I received a letter from the governemnt? To recall the punch line to an old joke: “Why do you ask, Two-Dogs-Humping? [slightly cleaned up].
By Midori
June 22, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this
Cory,
It’s not the country I hate - it’s you and all of your brain dead, kool aid drinking maggot friends.
By harry case
June 22, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this
This a rephrensible cartoon and unworthy of the AJC.Luckovich has done some memorable work, I think his statute of liberty / 9/11 was true art. This is insulting to the soldiers who just lost their lives to Al Queda butchers and to all the fine men and women who have sacrificed to put Islamic Terroists out of business in Iraq and all over the world. Shame on you and on Mike Luckovich. Harry Case
By hep cat
June 22, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this
Congratulations … what’s your name? Can’t quite make your signature out, but it looks something like “Bucket o’S**t.” Anyway, let me be the first to congratulate you on having a disapproval rating THREE TIMES greater than the Commander in Chief. I wonder if one of the last thoughts going through the minds of our soldiers/heroes as they were being tortured and executed was that they were suffering their fate in exchange for your right to freely publish this tripe. You’ve basically taken the 1st Amendment that they died to protect and used it as low grade toilet paper.
By GWB
June 22, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this
If it was up to me, I’d get rid of that stupid first amendment. At least everything that didn’t have to do with making people go to church. Then we could deal with these traitors like Luckovich. And really, isn’t the second amendment way more important anyway? Go Mercuh!
By Michael McCullough
June 22, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this
Midori:
there were no terrorists there until your moronic president opened up the floodgates of H&ll.
Um, Zarqawi operated out of Iraq before the war. Jordan asked Saddam to extradite Zarqawi but Saddam refused.
Do you ever bother to check facts before you post or do you make up stuff to support your small-minded world view?
Read my other posts while you’re steaming about me calling you on your lie.
By N-GA
June 22, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this
Support our troops…IMPEACH BUSH!!!
By Nalamin
June 22, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this
Oh! Now I remember why I didn’t buy your rag ONCE in the ten years I lived in Atlanta.
Luckovich can burn in HELL.
By R Limbaugh
June 22, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this
Screw these anti-torture poossies. I say torture the sh!t out of ‘em!
By grantman
June 22, 2006 05:47 PM | Link to this
If you want really good political cartoons, go to Cox and Forkum: [http://www.coxandforkum.com]
By S Hannity
June 22, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this
I don’t see this as a wedge issue at all. Either you’re for us and torture or you’re not a good republican.
By T McCarthy
June 22, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this
At first I didn’t understand - I thought this was making the point that the US is ‘playing by the rules’ to interrogate terrorists, and is (unrealistically)expecting the enemy to adhere to some basic code of decency and morality. Then I read some of the comments. If it was indeed meant to equate US with these mutilating,terrorist neo-nazi thugs, it is sickening. All I can say is Mike is “lucky” that he doesn’t have to face the guy on the left!!
By T McCarthy
June 22, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this
At first I didn’t understand - I thought this was making the point that the US is ‘playing by the rules’ to interrogate terrorists, and is (unrealistically)expecting the enemy to adhere to some basic code of decency and morality. Then I read some of the comments. If it was indeed meant to equate US with these mutilating,terrorist neo-nazi thugs, it is sickening. All I can say is Mike is “lucky” that he doesn’t have to face the guy on the left!!
By AyUaxe
June 22, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this
Mike Luckovich and the editors of the AJC are clearly giant A__holes. You wouldn’t know a moral distinction, or a moral for that matter, if it slapped you in the face. In short, you are traitorous disgraces to the U.S. and to all decent people, everywhere.
By Kusian
June 22, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this
What kind of a moral retard would compare a group that purposefully targets innocent people, beheads captives, and thinks woman and non-muslims are less than human to a country that is responsible for the freedom of literally millions around the world?
But, on the other hand, what can one expect from the moonbat Left?
By Jeff
June 22, 2006 05:53 PM | Link to this
I bet Mr. Luckovich cannot wait for the al-Qaida snuff film to come out depicting the barbaric murder of our two soldiers.
For Lucko, that’s no different than playing loud music, cross-dressing, or yelling at known terrorist suspects. Although able to draw pictures, it seems Mr. Lucko lacks the ability to reason.
By N-GA
June 22, 2006 05:54 PM | Link to this
To Michael McCullough,
Your link to Wikipedia stated the following: “”There’s no conclusive evidence the Saddam Hussein regime had harbored Zarqawi.”[13] [14] One U.S. official summarized the report: “The evidence is that Saddam never gave Zarqawi anything.”[15] However, Jordan’s King Abdullah stated in an interview that Jordan had detailed information of where in Iraq Zarqawi lived. Jordan attempted to have Zarqawi extradited, “but our demands that the former regime [of Saddam Hussein] hand him over were in vain,” King Abdullah said.”
I summarize that as: U.S. Intelligence says there was no real connection, but the King of Jordan says there was. I’d say that is inconclusive at best. Perhaps you should read your links in their entirety.
By jaybear
June 22, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this
My Lord,
There is no comparison here, none at all. If this “cartoonist” can equate Gitmo handing out 3 culturally correct meals a day, supplying each prisoner with a q’uran and prayer rug, and allowing them freedom to practice their perverse religion to the mutilation…mangling…and beheading of captives at the hands of the terrorists, then I discount not only his patriotism but his sanity.
Shame on you all
By N-GA
June 22, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this
Bed Wetter…where is the lie? You are the wimp who backed off 2 wagers for $100,000 each. I even offered to let that wing-nut Jim Wooten act as mediator. You ran like the coward you really are. You call people names, but run when confronted with the truth. You insult women and gays, and spew hatred daily. And you STILL haven’t responded to my original comments about this toon.
Your yellow underwear match the color of the stripe down your spineless back.
By jaybear
June 22, 2006 06:01 PM | Link to this
My Lord,
There is no comparison here, none at all. If this “cartoonist” can equate Gitmo handing out 3 culturally correct meals a day, supplying each prisoner with a q’uran and prayer rug, and allowing them freedom to practice their perverse religion to the mutilation…mangling…and beheading of captives at the hands of the terrorists, then I discount not only his patriotism but his sanity.
Shame on you all
By disgusted with your tripe
June 22, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this
Swine. The AJC staff/mgmt must have strategy meetings to try to determine why no one will buy or subscribe to the once great AJC. Maybe if they move out of the country, to… awww who would buy their trash?
By getalife
June 22, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this
That was fun Mike.
Do another one comparing wingnuts on this cartoon to Muslims on the Danish cartoons.
They are a violent bunch. LOL.
By Nana
June 22, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this
I didn’t get it - I thought it was saying that the US is ‘playing by the rules’ in interrogating prisoners while (unrealistically) expecting the enemy to abide by the same. Then I read some of the comments. If it is trying to equate US with mutilating, neo-nazi terrorist thugs like Al-Qaida, I find it sickening and totally incomprehensible – how could any American draw this, regardless of political idealogy?! This looks more like something from the Iranian or Saudi papers, and is particularly savage, especially coming so close to the tragic news of the butchering of our 2 soldiers. All I can say is, Mike, thanks to our US military, you do not have to face the guy on the left!!!
By Dwight Schrute
June 22, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this
What happened to the Pot meet Kettle title, Luckobitch? How convienent you changed it now. You are a horrible person and I wish nothing but bad karma on you. This is why you don’t want panty waist liberals in office.
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this
T McCarthy,
I think the surest sign that luckovich meant to compare the US military to barbaric killers was the original title of this post “Pot To Kettle”, he has changed that title late this afternoon to make it sound more feasible that he meant what you first thought, but you can still see the name in the URL.
Pot to kettle obviously means he sees them as exactly the same thing.
By Sarah Van
June 22, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this
Will,
The obvious and unalterable fact is that Iraq is a false war committed by Big Oil’s fraudulently selected Bush administration, predicated on 9/11: which was treasonously committed by the Bush/Nixon Fifth Column faction.
Is this an attempt to insert every insane bit of moonbattery we’ve been subjected to in the last 6 years into one post? If you really believe any of this, seek medical attention immediately. There are medications that can mute the voices in your head.
By I Report, They Whine
June 22, 2006 06:16 PM | Link to this
Please forgive me for my exceptionally odd behavior today. But sometimes I have bad dreams and the guys in this toon look like the guys in my nightmares. I desperately hope to be over this one day. Your support is appreciated.
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 06:17 PM | Link to this
Sarah Van,
I think the rattling in Will’s head makes him keep babbling about loose change and reading us his bumpersticker collection.
By getalife
June 22, 2006 06:19 PM | Link to this
There are medications that can mute the voices in your head.
Remember that line Andy?
By Elbow
June 22, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this
Keep up the great work Mike.
Every time you present one of these cartoons, another 1,000 folks remember why America is great and renew their patriotism by leaving the “liberal big tent”.
Pour it on!
By Daniel
June 22, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this
There is no reason to trust or believe the Bush Administration on Iraq.
By I Got Your Wooten
June 22, 2006 06:27 PM | Link to this
Hangin right here where you can make good use of it, wanker boy.
How long did you have to google until you found the letter from the VA like I was asking you about, oh yeah, two weeks, just as long as I’ve had my letter.
Where’d you finally get the info, wanker boy, at the VA website?
I don’t care who your giving a knob job to over there at the Atlanta Urinal, you are full of —— about military service, you little tosser, the Army makes men not maggots.
By Ken
June 22, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this
One of the most disgusting cartoons I’ve ever seen. Absolutely pathetic.
By finch
June 22, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this
getalife,
I haven’t seen this much fireworks here ever. The cynical side of me says the ajc and ml dreamed up this ‘toon for publicity and more (paying) hits to this site. Whaddya think?
N-GA,
Look on the bright side. Our mutual “friend” hasn’t posted a single sexist or homophobic rant all day! Between taking his meds and checking in here, it’s been a very busy day for the poor stupid lad!
Mr. McCulloch,
Um, Zarqawi operated out of Iraq before the war.
Not exactly true. Zarqawi was in Iraq, but in the NE, the no-man’s land abandoned by Saddam and barely controlled by the Kurds. Saddam didn’t have him extradited because he couldn’t. And Islamic terrorists didn’t operate out of Saddam’s territory because they were dead if they did.
That’s all changed now. One result of the US invasion has been to turn Iraq into the best recruting tool the Islamofascists could ever hope for.
By GWB
June 22, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this
It’s torture, when I decide it is. I’m the decider and I get to decide.
By I Report, They Whine Never Posts IThis Late, It's A Wanker
June 22, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this
And look who’s here, little wanker boy N-GA, go figure.
Getting down with his little homo obsessions.
By Charles
June 22, 2006 06:32 PM | Link to this
I find todays carton disgusting. I can not imagine anyone being so heartless after the way two of our soliders were recently slaughtered. I am sadden to think that anyone would be so disrespectful.
By E_Pluribus_Unum
June 22, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this
Mike’s cartoon finally convinced me—it’s the US military that’s the real enemy, and I’ll vote for the Democrat who runs on that ticket, along with a solemn promise to restore Saddam Hussein to power and to run away any time US strategic interests are threatened.
Now I know Saddam wrote $25K checks to the survivors of Palestinian suicide bombers (to whom Saddam was kind enough to supply explosive vests) and that Abu Nhidal and Abu Abbas spent their retirements in Baghdad as his guests, but none of that matters at all.
I want the hard lefties in the media and the Eurotrash to feel morally superior, and their approval is vital to my sense of well being.
If we just let our enemies define our strategic intertests and craft our foreign policy so as not to offend them, our troops would be home safe.
Of course, I have to overlook the fact that our troops who have engaged in abuse/torture of detainees have faced courts martial and been sentenced to prison time, and the fact that embarassing/abusing a detainee leaves that detainee ALIVE, but I’ll just look at the cartoon again to regain my righteous indignation at our troops, whom Mike Lukovich has convinced me are no better than the jihadists who behead helpless prisoners while shouting “Allah Akhbar!” and then post it on the web for all to see.
Thanks, Mike!
By Terry Dillard
June 22, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this
Let’s say, just because I believe it might really cause Mr. Luckovich to think, that sometime in the not-too-distant future, he is kidnapped and subjected to torture.
Which book do you suppose he would prefer to be “tortured” from? Think about it, now. You’ve seen what they’re calling torture when Americans do it (people on leashes, forced to stand on a box with a hood over their head and arms extended, human pyramid type stuff), and when murdering Islamic dogs do it (mainly beheadings).
Mr. Luckovich, you can’t offer any other answer than “the American book of torture” or “the Islamic terrorist book of torture”.
Which book do you choose?
Go.
TD
By Sarah Michaels
June 22, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this
Disgusting but what else would you expect from the Atlanta Jazeera Constitution?
Who is this Andy the liberals in here keep talking about? Aren’t they rather odd?
By Celtic
June 22, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this
You freepers and Malkinites are scary.
From your supposed favorite book….
“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.
We were once a respected and admired country, now we torture and kidnap.
Thanks for f**king up our country with your testicle-less drooling keyboard war games.
By Dan Roll
June 22, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this
It is difficult to find an adjective for the thought process that could lead to the drawing of this cartoon. To compare the interrogation and even abuse of prisoners to the promised and flaunted use of torture and murder as a political tool requires a bias so deep that I suspect even Aljazeera would have refused to run this cartoon. The English language Aljazeera site is often more favorable in it’s coverage of America’s effort in Iraq than major newspapers in the US. May your circulations continue to shrivel.
By Dan Roll
June 22, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this
It is difficult to find an adjective for the thought process that could lead to the drawing of this cartoon. To compare the interrogation and even abuse of prisoners to the promised and flaunted use of torture and murder as a political tool requires a bias so deep that I suspect even Aljazeera would have refused to run this cartoon. The English language Aljazeera site is often more favorable in it’s coverage of America’s effort in Iraq than major newspapers in the US. May your circulations continue to shrivel.
By B McLeod
June 22, 2006 06:37 PM | Link to this
I can’t imagine a person with such hatred of a President that it blinds completely from seeing anything objectively related to the hateed person. To even equate the two actions is beyond any sense of decency, but after having viewed ML work over the years, it is nothing new. i pity him. His world is dark and bitter and filled with hate. If he feels justified in his equated the two sides in this battle, doe he thus believe the beheaders are justified in their actions and their horrible acts? He would scream as loud as possbile if someone equated an action to Nazi germany, but beheading it in ML bounds for use and in his mind easliy justified. How blind, and how sad.
Consider me one more 25+ year subsciber lost for good!
Good-bye.
By Daniel
June 22, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this
Jak se’mas, Pani?
By Kevin
June 22, 2006 06:39 PM | Link to this
How unsurprisingly disgusting. At least Lukovich is honest about how he feels about his own country. In his eyes America is just as evil as al-Qaida. But ask yourself this Mr. Lukovich, would the islamofascists you seem to hold in higher esteem than your own countrymen allow you to publish any cartoon, much less one critical of them? No, they wouldn’t.
By Jim Madison
June 22, 2006 06:40 PM | Link to this
Wow, if it weren’t for the blogs that I read, I would never have thought to look at a newspaper, especially this one. Now I remember why I stopped reading all newspapers. Someday I’ll put the mindwave edition of FoxNews on pause and tell the grandkids about a time when there were propaganda sheets called “newspapers,” printed on strips of dead trees (!) by strange, sad misfits called “liberals”… until the Second American Revolution happily erased those things, and brought peace and prosperity to everyone else…
By GodHatesTrash
June 22, 2006 06:41 PM | Link to this
Southrons, why all the outrage?
There’s not a dimes’ worth of difference between an Al Qaeda and a southron redneck - vicous stupid animals all.
Trash.
You redneck cowards need to get your lazy butts over to Baghdad - you’d make excellent cannon fodder - if they cut off your heads - you’d still be brainless.
And with your balls the size of BBs, they’ll leave that part alone.
By N-GA
June 22, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this
Like I said, Bed Wetter…I have $100,000 against your $100,000 on my having a REAL DD214. Jim Wooten can mediate.
Run you little merde du poulet.
By Synova
June 22, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this
Dean. Thoughts aren’t real.
“See, here’s the thing. We think we’re the good gusy and have a right to do whatever’s necessary to defend ourselves. We think that they’re evil.
Hey, guess what? They think they’re the good guys, that they have a right to do whatever to defend themselves. They think that we’re evil.”
They think we’re evil because we tolerate homosexuals instead of execute them. We even talk about letting them marry. We are “evil” in their eyes because of our extreme lack of morality. Hollywood. Naked women. McDonalds. Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue. Did I mention gays?
We think they are evil because their response to this is to kill people in horrific ways. They kill their own people for moral infractions. They kill our people for moral infractions.
I can see how this might be confusing to you, deciding who really are the good guys and who are the bad guys.
Apparently, in Dean’s World, if my motivation is pure I can have a party where me and my buds make a cool video where we torture some guys, cut off their penises and stick them in their mouths, and then, after some more happy fun time, saw their heads off. Then we can booby trap the bodies and surround them with explosive traps. And that’s all okay with you because we believe in our cause.
Dean, this is called moral vacancy.
A person can disagree about how we should confront this evil, but if they’re getting confused about which side is evil… the problem is inside their own heads, no one elses.
By wildwolfe
June 22, 2006 06:44 PM | Link to this
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN YOU HAVE NO IDEA TO WHAT YOUARE POSTING YOUR A COWARD TO COMPARE US SOLDIERS TO VIEL MURDERING WOMEN OPRESSING TERRORISTS YOU ARE BLIND AND A SHEEPLE AND KEEP DOING WHAT YOUR DOING IT JUST PROVES YOUR MENTALY ILL AND YOU HAVE NO FACTS GO PUT ON A UNIFORM INSTEAD OF BEING A F******* COWARD JOURNELIST THAT WOULD NOT KNOW THE TRUTH IF IT BIT YOUR LIBERAL SOCAILIST A*S F*** YOU!!!!!
By I Report, They Whine
June 22, 2006 06:46 PM | Link to this
I’ve finally been caught jacking myself! Moron.
By N-GA
June 22, 2006 06:47 PM | Link to this
I just finished “The Messiah of Morris Avenue” by Tony Hendra. It’s a terrific satire that is so relevent to the moment. A little scary, though.
By Val
June 22, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this
Well now shucks. I see our puny RepubliCON stay-at-home, stay-safe, never-serve, never-go, never-show, super-Christie, I-wanna-sleep-with-a-soldier-and-be-a-real-man-cause-I’m-a-real-Patriot, tough-talking, truck-driving, cap-wearing, courage-drinking wackoes are ever busy today! If nothing else, it’s fun to watch them work. Breaking News: The Bush Freak has returned. Your idea of a military man. So one of your little Pig Gods is here for you to worship close-up. Go git em, chickenhawks!
My, how the truth doth hurt you.
By George
June 22, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this
Finally!!!!
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Thursday dealt a blow to some longtime illegal residents, upholding the deportation of a Mexican man who lived in the United States for 20 years. By an 8-1 vote, justices said that Humberto Fernandez-Vargas, who was deported several times from the 1970s to 1981, is subject to a 1996 law Congress passed to streamline the legal process for expelling aliens who have been deported at least once before and returned.
By Pete Burgess
June 22, 2006 06:51 PM | Link to this
Tasteless, Mike, Tasteless!
By getalife
June 22, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this
finch,
I was thinking the same thing about the publicity stunt. I think Mike just pulled an Ann Coulter on these wingnuts. Karma.
By John Ganster
June 22, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this
Who would Mike Luckowich rather be detained by? The USMC or al-Qaeda? We all know the answer.
Pot calling the kettle black? This guy is an absolute idiot and quite frankly so are your editorial staff for printing this garbage! You ought to be ashamed of yourselves for denigrating the service of our brave servicemen and women. Shame, shame, shame.
By I Got Your Wooten
June 22, 2006 06:57 PM | Link to this
What’s are you so insecure about, little wanker boy?
Did Wooten fabricate a DD214 for you while you perform f******o on him or whatever it was you just said?
Can’t you leave homo sex out of everything you talk about, we are happy for you, you don’t have to remind us.
By Jericho
June 22, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this
Didn’t a whole lot of torries flee the new nation in fear in 1783 folloing Cornwallis’ surrender? Ah for the days of our fathers.
By Daniel
June 22, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this
N-GA Good to have you aboard. Most here are from the “82nd Delusional Airborne” and “Keyboard Kommando’s”. They do not have nor do they know what a DD 214 is! They have never seen a dead child much less one in combat. For my way of thinking we should avoid war up to the most desperate last resort. Dead is dead. Our government couldn’t wait to get into this war. As long as someone else’s kids are fighting it. In November of last year 24 civilians were killed in Iraq. Our marines admitted the killings. Our government paid $2500 per death to the families of each dead person. The politicians who started this phony war are responsible for those deaths. Our troops are given neither the situation nor the numbers to fight this war. The hot-heads here with all the “Keyboard Kourage” they can mount should enlist. Then, maybe, the’ll learn what a DD 214 is!
By greg buete
June 22, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this
Well, if they’re going to accuse us of “torture” anyway, perhaps we should at least earn the title and start indiscriminately cutting their heads off in kind.
Think it’s far fetched? In a few generations, should the liberal community get its way and we be forced to apply Geneva protections to illegal combatants who do not follow the laws of war, who do not carry arms openly, who disguise themsevles as civilians, the US soldier - disadvantaged they are by having to follow such rules - might decide that since they’re protected regardless they will, in turn, act as terrorists do.
Geneva Conventions and other laws of warfare, you see, were not created so everyone would be treated “fairly,” but rather created as an incentive to fight with some ethical standards. By giving protections to beheading terrorists and soldiers alike we only ensure that the lawful soldiers will one day do the same as the terrorist and with the same regularity and barbarity.
By RW-(the original)
June 22, 2006 07:16 PM | Link to this
Daniel,
You sure have cleaned up your spiel today. Why don’t you tell this much larger audience about how our Marines like to shoot little babies in the head for fun. You’ve been saying that for days and you even said they admitted it, so why hold back? Loudmouth punk!
By Brian Smith
June 22, 2006 07:18 PM | Link to this
Your wife and kids must be proud of you.
By @@
June 22, 2006 07:18 PM | Link to this
Oh my gosh! The little pointy headed radical ml did change the name on the toon. Too late, you are outed, take your mask off ml. You’re the guy on the left, right?
France is —————> that way doofus. But don’t leave until you give our country & military the apology that they deserve & you owe.
Au revoir!
By WTF?
June 22, 2006 08:24 PM | Link to this
Since when does Luckovich turn down opportunities to go on TV to parade his liberal garbage around. Mike telling Fox News that the AJC doesn’t want you to comment is weaker than weak.
By N-GA
June 22, 2006 08:45 PM | Link to this
Hey Abdy the Bed Wetter,
I guess now you have some free time to parade around in your double-wide wearing lederhosen and shouting “Sieg Heil!” while you hang out in chat rooms looking for little children who will appreciate your sophisticated come ons.
With a little luck your blow-up doll will be patched up before you have to resort to trolling Olympic Centennial Park. I suppose you have enough functioning neurons to know not to wear your KKK Imperial Dragon outfit down there. It can be dangerous, I’ve heard. Did you try the 20 Mule Team Borox laundry detergent? I haven’t tested it personally, but Consumer Reports strongly recommends it for getting out yellow urine stains.
Still haven’t responded to my post about today’s toon. No surprise.
Wank away, you pathetic little wanker-bot.
By Drunken mountain goat
June 22, 2006 08:55 PM | Link to this
N-GA: Get back here with that bottle and quit hunting for ABDY
By Buy Danish
June 22, 2006 09:36 PM | Link to this
*By finch June 22, 2006 09:50 AM *
Look at the big picture, moron. This ‘toon sucks, but if the US weren’t in Iraq, fighting a useless war against enemies that weren’t there until the invasion, THESE MEN WOULDN’T BE DEAD
finch,
Here’s some shocking news for you:
If we were never born we wouldn’t have to die either. That doesn’t change the fact that how live and how we die matters.
P.S.
Do you happen to know someone named Seneca who said, …There’s always room for improvement, but you simply can’t compare US conduct to that of Iraq’s zealots.
Very clever that Seneca! Removes Al Qaeda from the picture entirely and places all the blame on Iraqis.
It’s a win win for Seneca - Blame Bush for the war, but Blame The Iraqis for the atrocities - with a mere slap on the wrist for Mike “Pulitzer Patriot” Luckovich.
By I'm Smellin Goat Fart
June 22, 2006 09:49 PM | Link to this
His own smell excites him.
By @@
June 22, 2006 10:09 PM | Link to this
WS:
On the off-chance that you check in here, the “eagle has landed”, the program continues and I didn’t have to do or say anything. I underestimated those good people.
I am a “Doubting Thomas Acquinas”. Shame on me.
By Pot to Kettle
June 22, 2006 10:13 PM | Link to this
I will never forget how I was quietly, if not stealthily, dumped for “Book On Torture”.
Apparently the cowardly AJC hoped no one would notice, but Hell hath no fury like a depraved cartoon title changed. Watch me rage…
Hey, cartoon-boy - did the AJC issue a fatwa against you and force you into hiding or is that just a nasty rumor?
Those angry advertisers and subscribers can be very influential. Hope you have a dog left to be your friend. Even the Pulitzer Committee may be powerless to help you. Unless…unless…unless…you behave like a liberal dream and…apologize!
And put the original name back on the cartoon, coward.
By RW-(the original)
June 23, 2006 12:56 AM | Link to this
Pot to Kettle,
Maybe that’s why the AJC decided to have a news blackout and refused to let luckovich talk when the national media came calling. It was all because they had unceremoniously dumped you as the title to this cartoon at 4:10PM on 6/22/2006.
I can only imagine the rage little mikie must have felt when they decided to drop “Pot to Kettle,” which accurately reflected his feelings about the United States military being exactly the same as the savage Al Qaeda barbarians, for the ambiguous “Book on Torture”.
mikie,
Why don’t you scribble a cartoon about the evil AJC censorship that has muzzled you and robbed you of the cartoon title you wanted? I say as disgusting as I find you and your cartoon, I’ll stand with you to get your cartoon name back. How else will the world know your true feelings and be able to see how truly despicable you are?
By Jim Blessingame
June 23, 2006 06:34 AM | Link to this
You libs need to have your throats slit and your heads cut off, then we can have a good clean decent God based America. Die you commie bastards, die.
By Richard Smith
June 23, 2006 08:29 AM | Link to this
Mr. Luckovich, I am incensed that you would equate the Iraqi freedom struggle with the torture of our soldiers, and numerous civilians by terrorists. It would be a good idea for you to personally and publicly apologize to the families of the 2,500 servicemembers who have died, beginning with the Menchaca and Tucker families. The individuals who believe this is a good cartoon because it is “thought provoking” and help us to reflect on our own inadequacies need to examine their own consciences. The only deficiencies that need to be addressed are those of the depraved few who would encourage this type of political cartoon over what is an unmitigated tragedy. The Menchaca and Tucker families await your apology, Mr. Luckovich. The Journal-Constitution can surely see the parallels between the rights of a family to private grief and refusing to run the Danish cartoons because of sensitivity Muslim beliefs. I am appalled this cartoon was printed.
By Lucky Stupidasaditch
June 23, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this
PLEASE LEAVE THE PLANET!
PLEASE LEAVE NOW.
GO QUICKLY
GO NOW
GO
By Conservatarian
June 23, 2006 08:34 AM | Link to this
If Luckovich thinks that beheading and torture of soldiers is somehow equivalent to sleep deprivation and clothes deprivation, he is a very, very sick man.
By Will Jones
June 23, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this
Luckovich works at being a truth-teller, perhaps a prophet.
Abu-Ghraib and Gitmo were authorized at the White House…where homosexual prostitute “Jeff Gannon” had carte blanche for two years of “social-side” overnight “visits” with a draft-dodger whose father “can’t remember” where he was (like Nixon and E. Howard Hunt) when he learned JFK had been assassinated (“reversing” JFK’s NSAM 263 withdrawal order to send 58,000+ of us to die for the 5% Roman Catholic population of Vientam owning 95% of that country’s wealth…just as more than 2500 of us have died for the Bush 9/11 Treason and proven lies of WMD) - even though FBI memos at the time place him “in range” and in the CIA - which a legal Federal jury determined did the treason in 1985 (see “Plausible Denial,” Lane, p. 322) - and whose grandfather was the money-conduit from the Roman Catholic church’s collection plate to the author of “I Paid Hitler,” papal baron and fellow Knight of Malta (the papal fraternity which practiced slavery of Jews on the Mediterranean Sea into the 1890’s, provided 2000 passports to Hitler’s SS to “avoid” Nuremberg, and claims to “run the Vatican” to this day) Fritz “The Rockefeller of Germany” Thyssen. Google: “Prescott Thyssen Auschwitz”
Wonder about gas prices…or illegal immigration?
Bushes have been Rockefeller lieutenants for four generations…since Standard Oil was built on “murder and arson” in 1870’s Cleveland.
Remember George HW Bush pushing Nafta and telling us we had to “lower our expectations,” and “level the playing field” with Latin America’s latifundial slaves? What a “coincidence” he went to China to privatize international trade by signing a private commercial trade contract with the Chinese generals…robbing our Treasury of the customs duties that used to completely fund the budget of the Federal Government.
So shipping jobs and factories to China is personally profitting the Bushes (Prescott II recently retired as CEO of the China-US Chamber of Commerce), and opening the border is benefitting the Bush, and Vatican correspondent banker Rockefellers’ masters (See what would happen if the collection plate monies stopped flowing to the Rockefellers’ family bank - now the Iraq State Bank - every Monday morning) in their helping to fulfill the goals published in 1987 in the Roman Catholic Church’s “National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry” to “take back” America through the “blessing” of illegal immigration.
Jefferson called it “the real anti-Christ,” “an engine for enslaving mankind.” It’s why Our Motto is Novus Ordo Seclorem: The New Secular Order…no more of the “Old Sectarian Order” of KIng and Pope.
Those with a blind eye to injustice, perversion, treason, and hypocrisy continue conforming to the mass delusion that calls fact and truth: “moonbattery.”
Those who love and understand, or wish to understand our Mottoes left to us by the anti-Catholic Whig Party Founders click on the below url and discover that, in fact, Bush committed 9/11.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loos
“New Pearl Harbor,” by Emeritus Logic Professor David Ray Griffin is excellent scholarship to explain the same fact.
By RYan
June 23, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this
Congratulations Lukovich! YOu have now managed to earn the AJC one subscription cancellation, and likly several more until they get rid of your worthless hide. ANd you have managed to be more disgusting than Ted Rall all in the same day. Your “Moral equivilancy” line is way beyond the pale, and even making this suggestion is beyond disgusting. I thought you were less than funny at the best of times, and now you are just. .pathetic.
By Will Jones
June 23, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this
Luckovich works at being a truth-teller, perhaps a prophet.
Abu-Ghraib and Gitmo were authorized at the White House…where homosexual prostitute “Jeff Gannon” had carte blanche for two years of “social-side” overnight “visits” with a draft-dodger whose father “can’t remember” where he was (like Nixon and E. Howard Hunt) when he learned JFK had been assassinated (“reversing” JFK’s NSAM 263 withdrawal order to send 58,000+ of us to die for the 5% Roman Catholic population of Vientam owning 95% of that country’s wealth…just as more than 2500 of us have died for the Bush 9/11 Treason and proven lies of WMD) - even though FBI memos at the time place him “in range” and in the CIA - which a legal Federal jury determined did the treason in 1985 (see “Plausible Denial,” Lane, p. 322) - and whose grandfather was the money-conduit from the Roman Catholic church’s collection plate to the author of “I Paid Hitler,” papal baron and fellow Knight of Malta (the papal fraternity which practiced slavery of Jews on the Mediterranean Sea into the 1890’s, provided 2000 passports to Hitler’s SS to “avoid” Nuremberg, and claims to “run the Vatican” to this day) Fritz “The Rockefeller of Germany” Thyssen. Google: “Prescott Thyssen Auschwitz”
Wonder about gas prices…or illegal immigration?
Bushes have been Rockefeller lieutenants for four generations…since Standard Oil was built on “murder and arson” in 1870’s Cleveland.
Remember George HW Bush pushing Nafta and telling us we had to “lower our expectations,” and “level the playing field” with Latin America’s latifundial slaves? What a “coincidence” he went to China to privatize international trade by signing a private commercial trade contract with the Chinese generals…robbing our Treasury of the customs duties that used to completely fund the budget of the Federal Government.
So shipping jobs and factories to China is personally profitting the Bushes (Prescott II recently retired as CEO of the China-US Chamber of Commerce), and opening the border is benefitting the Bush, and Vatican correspondent banker Rockefellers’ masters (See what would happen if the collection plate monies stopped flowing to the Rockefellers’ family bank - now the Iraq State Bank - every Monday morning) in their helping to fulfill the goals published in 1987 in the Roman Catholic Church’s “National Pastoral Plan for Hispanic Ministry” to “take back” America through the “blessing” of illegal immigration.
Jefferson called it “the real anti-Christ,” “an engine for enslaving mankind.” It’s why Our Motto is Novus Ordo Seclorem: The New Secular Order…no more of the “Old Sectarian Order” of KIng and Pope.
Those with a blind eye to injustice, perversion, treason, and hypocrisy continue conforming to the mass delusion that calls fact and truth: “moonbattery.”
Those who love and understand, or wish to understand our Mottoes left to us by the anti-Catholic Whig Party Founders click on the below url and discover that, in fact, Bush committed 9/11.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loos
“New Pearl Harbor,” by Emeritus Logic Professor David Ray Griffin is excellent scholarship to explain the same fact.
By robert g
June 23, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this
luckovich, move to iran you worthless sob.shame on you!!! robert
By Big Hagel
June 23, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this
Well, it’s a day later and the vote is still 90% against this pathetic cartoon. So all you naive,left leaning, don’t have a clue, anti bush, anti everything that is logical liberals can keep ranting about us “desparate bushies”, but the vote says it all. Luckovich has joined Rather in his total loss of control when it comes to anything involving the current administration.
By JOE Norman
June 23, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this
You liberal America haters just don’t get it! Let me help you “get it”…….
When your friends the muslims take over our nation, they will require you to a) convert to islam b) submit to sha’ris law as a slave, or c) lose your head as an infidel
Should you resist them, you will find yourself on your knees in your living room, your hands tightly bound behind you, as you watch these animal disenbowel your 3 year old son before your eyes. They will then sling the still warm guts of your son on you as they take turns raping your wife and your 6 year old daughter, each of whom will suffer a fate similar to your son’s. Your last conscience thoughts in this world, as they saw your head off, will be “I thought they knew I was on their side…..” You deserve it Lukovich. I don’t. You can go to hell!
By JoW
June 23, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this
All the chanting and marches - all the vociferous whining - all the name calling (Bushitler, chimp-in-charge, “the idiot”), all the break-ins into political offices and tire slashing of “get-out-the-vote” vehicles during the 2004 election, all the defense of prisoners at Gitmo, all the nasty, sophomoric artwork displaying Bush as Hitler, all the Leni Riefenstahl-esque “documentaries,” all the screaming speeches, the ugly symbiosis of the talking points of Zarqawi, Bin Laden, Zawahiri, and Cindy Sheehan, all the suicidal relativism, all the silence regarding the Mohammed cartoons, all the rallies for Hamas at Berkeley, all the limp tropes like “truth to power,” all the group think Daily-Kos/Daily Show inspired marching orders hardly shows a rational mindset. Luckovich is, what has become, a mainstream democrat. His thinking is the parties thinking. If the aforementioned and more is rational for you wide-eyed zealots, I’d hate to see what you’re capable of when you’re really angry. The quick, reflexive projection the Left exhibits when they equate Al-Qaeda’s motivations for revenge, says as much about the Left as the murdering animals they provide cover and justification for. When a jihadi beheads and castrates an American soldier, the Left simply assumes it is a sort of “t*t-for-tat” thing. This seems an implicit confession that, given similar circumstances, the Leftists could see themselves doing exactly the same things.
By vetfromhell
June 23, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this
The Atlanta Journal has been Al Qaeda for years, right?
By Rob
June 23, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this
Please people he might be right with moral equivalency here, his premise needs to be examined scientifically using the Headorass principle. Mr. Luckovich please draw two more cartoons. One cartoon disparaging Jesus and the other the Prophet Muhammad. Fly to Gitmo and take the one about Jesus and show that cartoon to all the Interrogators there, please record any violent responses on a scale of 1 to 10. In the second part of the experiment fly to Iraq with the second cartoon and show it to the first member of Al Qaeda in Iraq you can find. Carefully measure which hits the ground faster your head or your a*s. If the number of violent responses you recorded in the first part or the experience equals the difference between the time it takes for your head to leave your body until it hits the floor and the time it takes for your a*s to hit the floor, there you have it moral equivalence.
Ok so this experiment wont accomplish a true measure of moral equivalence, but at least it will accomplish one thing.
By Uncle Mikey
June 23, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this
What a disgusting piece of s**t this cartoonist is. Sickening.
By Jeff
June 23, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this
Subsciption to AJC WITHDRAWN!!! This is the last time I visit this website.
By Dale
June 23, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this
Here is what God says about the eventual victory of those of us who believe there is a God and the demise of those like Luckovich ISA 54:17no weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall confute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD and their vindication from me, declares the LORD.”
By Rednecks - America's Al Qaeda
June 23, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this
Uh oh, Mike - it looks ike the freepers are flooding your blog - the funny ones talk about cancelling their AJC subsriptions when we know rednecks don’t read newspapers.
Send these brainless drickless neo-cons sumbritches to Iraq - if the insurgents capture them and behead them and castrate them???
Well, no harm, no foul…
By Harry
June 23, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this
Honoring Luckovich is treason…try running that cartoon from the USA’s point view in Baghdad and see if you make it through the week without getting your head cut off…move your paper to Canada. You are NOT true AMERICANS if you hope your country loses the war on terrorism. Shameful….
By Ryan
June 23, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this
I love the automatic intellectual arrogance - when you try to win an argument by categorically tryign to say your opponents are stupid, its quite revealing about your own capabilities> I note that you aren’t even trying to defend the equivilancy - because its impossible to rationally defend it.
By Charles
June 23, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this
Thank you. Cartoons like that will encourage an even stronger Republican turnout in November.
By LWB_Sr
June 23, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this
Why not move to Iraq, to be at home with your friends, the terrorists?
By Leon Trotsky
June 23, 2006 09:57 AM | Link to this
You guys are so brave. Why not do a few cartoons about Muhammad and see how tolerant the Al Queda types are? Then maybe you’ll see the difference between our side and theirs. Over there, you’d get your head literally handed to you. Over here, you get prizes and a bunch of nutbags hiding behind keyboards egging you on. Enjoy it.
By drjohn
June 23, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this
You are a sick man, Luckovich.
By Rednecks - America's Al Qaeda
June 23, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this
If you rednecks are so outraged by this why aren’t you COWARDS at your local Army recruiting office instead of blogging?
This is the war *YOU - not me - voted for, and what happened to these soldiers is just one of the many horrific and terrible things that happen in war.
What a bunch of whiners and fools you are.
By Ryan
June 23, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this
Hey, REdnecks. .
DO you support getting police service? THen why the heck aren’t you in a uniform on the street? DO you support getting fire service? WHy aren’t you, you COWARD, charging into burning buildings right now?
GIve your lame “CHickenhawk” argument a rest. If we had all decisions about war made solely by people in the military, I don’t think liberals woudl like the result much.
By Angry American
June 23, 2006 10:16 AM | Link to this
I hope you rot in hell you piece of s**t liberal bastard!
By Gui
June 23, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this
How disgusting. In a land of free speech the author of that cartoon spits in the face of every soldier that served and/or died in battle to give him the right to publish trash like that.
Mr. Luckovich, I challenge you to personally hand that cartoon to a soldier of our military and see what happens instead of hiding behind your publishers. You’re despicable Mr. L, you don’t deserve being able to lie and get away with it like this.
By Nick
June 23, 2006 10:29 AM | Link to this
I was dissapointed with the “Book on Torture” cartoon and wish that it was not published. It did not offend me because that’s not what America stands for and you know it. I have since canceled my subscription to the AJC.
By Rednecks - America's Al Qaeda
June 23, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this
You rednecks love an eye for an eye and bloody revenge, until someone actually fights back. Then the wailing and whining and blowharding begins!
You’re not just stupid you are a Gawd Damn fool if you think war is a picnic, and if you think the war in Iraq has anything to do with capturing the 9/11 terrorists.
You’re also an ignorant fool if you try to argue the moral relativism of torturing people in Iraq. You can whine and moan all you want, but the cartoons very basic premise is true - PEOPLE FROM AL QAIDA AND PEOPLE ACTING WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT HAVE TORTURED PEOPLE IN IRAQ - SOME OF THEM DIED. Murder is murder - if you kill someone quickly, slowly, negligently, horrifically, whatever - it is still murder. IF YOU MURDER THEM UNDER THE US FLAG OR UNDER THE BANNER OF AL QAEDA IT IS STILL MURDER.
Your logic is like that of a child - well, I did something bad but Joey did somthing worse, so that makes what I did OK.
Oh really?
By Rednecks - America's Al Qaeda
June 23, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this
Hey Ryan,
Go hide under the bed then, you cowardly chickenhawk hypocrite.
Either grow a set and get your butt to Iraq, or just stop your incessant whining. You voted for this, you got it. The arrogant stupidity of people like you is ruining this country and the planet.
By DA
June 23, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this
Well, let’s see…
United States to their prisoners: Sleep deprivation, light deprivation, food deprivation, extreme hot/cold temperatures, loud rap music, 12 hour interviews, and underwear on your head…. Iraqi/Taliban extremists to US Prisoners: severely beat up faces, hacked off heads, castrations, genitals stuffed down their throats… Yeah they’re taking their cue on torture from us… I’m a Democrat & even I AM ashamed by this cartoon, a) For Mr. Luckovich even having this thought in his head b) the AJC even running it… I’ll be surprised if this even gets posted to their website.
By Will Jones
June 23, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this
In fact, Bush committed 9/11 - true Americans please see above exegesis. Righteousness must be restored to Our Country through impeachment and punishment for Treason and Misprision of Treason.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loos
“New Pearl Harbor,” by Emeritus Logic Professor David Ray Griffin is excellent scholarship to explain the same fact.
By peter karpick
June 23, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this
This cartton is great and the responses in this mornings ajc proves it. You can always tell when a political cartoonist is doing a great job by responses like those againt mike.
He is merely pointing out that the US too has had several cases where we have tortured and killed many people in Iraq and elswhere.
You cant deny the facts and something does need to be done about it. We have no chance of bringing even a semblance of peace to Iraq when ordinary citizens are scared of our troops.
Great job mike- keep it up.
By Bush is to blame for my ingrown toenail
June 23, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this
If America is dangerous and fascist wouldn’t you be afraid to make such cartoons? Why do you continue to live and thrive here? How is it that Bush allows your kind of dissent? BTW: did this guy’s paper have the nuts to print the Mohammed cartoons? I thought not - proving that they KNOW America is much more civilized and less threatening. We get pissed at people like you, (because you’re such blatent hypocrites,) but we don’t riot or go on any kind of rampage against you. The very country you hate allows you to thrive without any threat.
By SCZ
June 23, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this
Mike,
Words can only say so much about how I feel about your latest craptoon. I think you need to resign. The AJC will pay for this craptoon. It is going to cost them the few readers they have left. I am sure France would welcome you with open arms. They love people that run and hide behind others.
By Rednecks - America's Al Qaeda
June 23, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this
All these phony freeper Democrats and AJC subscribers today - hilarious.
Rednecks don’t read newspapers, and haven’t voted for Democrats since the 1960s.
Nice try though.
By Mike Clement
June 23, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this
Mike Luckovich would have drawn a cartoon during WWII comparing Japan internment camps to Nazi Concentration camps. Oh wait!!! FDR was a Socialist-Democrat. Cancel that.
By Michael McCullough
June 23, 2006 11:16 AM | Link to this
NGA and other liberals:
I summarize that as: U.S. Intelligence says there was no real connection, but the King of Jordan says there was. I’d say that is inconclusive at best. Perhaps you should read your links in their entirety.
Yes, and this is the same US intelligence who keeps illegally leaking lies to the press designed to hurt the Bush Administration — think of Mary McCarthy, the big Democrat donor and John Kerry supporter who leaked secret information to the Washington Post that damaged our intelligence in Iraq. Think of today’s story by the New York Times exposing our methods for tracking terrorist money ties. We have a treasonous press and some treasonous officials in the CIA and the State Department. It’s time for them — yes, including members of the press — to spend some time in jail.
It’s a good thing that Bush has finally put someone in charge of the CIA to weed out the leakers and traitors.
The King of Jordan said that he tried to extradite al-Zarqawi and we have no reason to believe that he isn’t telling the truth — the Jordanians have been staunch allies of the US in the war on terror.
Here are a few facts that you leftists either ignore or are ignorant of:
There is no denying the fact that Zarqawi was operating out of Iraq before the war. Saddam controlled everything that happened in his country. Are you naive enough to believe that al-Zarqawi could have operated out of Iraq without Saddam’s knowledge? If so, I’ve got some great beach-front property in West Texas that I’ll be glad to sell you.
There is no question that Saddam harbored terrorist Abu Nidal until they murdered him in August 2002, most likely because they feared he was a mercenary who would side with whoever paid him the most money.
There is no question that http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2002/9/Iraqi%20Support%20for%20and%20Encouragement%20of%20Palestinian to the families of each suicide bomber in the Palestinian intifada.
Post-war documents captured by coalition forces show that Saddam was supporting a Filipino terrorist group.
5 post-war documents captured by coalition forces show that an official representative of Saddam’s government met with Osama in 1995 and Saddam agreed to allow Osama’s group to be broadcast on Iraqi radio.
In the spring of 1998 — well before the U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa — the Clinton administration indicted Osama bin Laden. The indictment, unsealed a few months later, prominently cited al Qaeda’s agreement to collaborate with Iraq on weapons of mass destruction.
A letter written by a member of Saddam Intelligence apparatus (Al Mukabarat) on 9/15/2001 — shortly after 9/11/2001 for those of you who seem to have forgotten that it ever happened — which was addressed it to someone higher up and described a conversation between an Iraqi intelligence source and a Taliban Afghani Consul. In the conversation the Afghani Consul spoke of a relationship between Iraq and Osama Bin Laden prior to 9/11/2001.
Captured post-war documents show that Saddam personally ordered the use of chemical weapons — i.e. Weapons of Mass Destruction — in northern Iraq.
Former Iraqi General Georges Sada, a top-level military advisor to Saddam, has written a book — ignored by the mainstream media, of course — explaining that weapons of mass destruction were sent out of the country prior to the US invasion.
Documents captured by US troops show that Saddam trained thousands of terrorists in several Iraqi training camps. This has been well-known for years, actually.
Newsweek prints a summary of a CIA-prepared slideshow documenting connections between Iraq and al-Qaeda.
Read once again the TIME Magazine report on our “policy of torture” at Gitmo. Tell me whether what happened during a 50-day period at Gitmo to a few select high-level detainees is morally equivalent to what al-Qaeda, the Taliban, and Saddam have done to hundreds of thousands of people.
Michael McCullough
Stingray: a blog for salty Christians
By Brian
June 23, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this
Luckovich thinks about as well as he draws. What more need be said?
He’s stupid enough to thrive on all this attention, too. Oh well, I guess I’m stupid enough to add to it. Grow up, Mikey, and get your head out of Jay Bookman’s a**e long enough to check out reality for awhile. At this rate, you’ll never be invited to aisle-surf with W.
By Terry
June 23, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this
How dare you? I can not believe a newspaper anywhere in the US would allow this type of cartoon regarding THE BRUTAL toture of 2 of our soldiers. Tom was a great guy and he happens to be related to me. YOU ARE A DISGUSTING PIECE OF GARBAGE AND SO IS YOUR NEWSPAPER. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT PAIN HE MUST HAVE WENT THRU AND YOU PRINT THIS GARBAGE. WHAT KIND OF HEARTLESS PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE WORKING AT YOUR PAPER. I SEE YOU HAVE NO REGARD FOR THE SOLDIERS THAT SACRIFICED EVERYTHING THEY HAD SO YOU COULD SIT ON YOUR A*S HERE SAFE AND SOUND SO YOU CAN LAUGH ABOUT WHAT HE WENT THRU!!!!!!!! THERE IS NO POSSIBLE EXCUSE FOR THIS AND I CAN NOT BELIEVE YOUR PAPER WOULD PUBLISH THIS. YOU PEOPLE HAVE NO CONCERN ABOUT OUR SOLDIERS DYING AT THE HANDS OF THOSE SAVAGES. YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR THEIR FAMILIES EITHER. TOO BAD THAT IT WASN’T YOU THAT WENT THRU THE TORTURE INSTEAD OF TOM. OH THAT’S RIGHT YOU ARE A COWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WILL CONTACT EVERY COMPANY THAT ADVERTISES THRU YOUR DISGUSTING PAPER THAT I CAN AND I HOPE THAT EVERYONE BOYCOTTS THE COMPANIES.
By Dean Taylor
June 23, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this
I have finally reached my limit with Mike Luckovitch. I have to tell you how reprehensible I’ve found his cartoons. I cannot believe he has actually won awards. He seems to be an America-hating, Bush-bashing, enemy sympathist with no awareness or regard for the sacrifices of our military much less our soldiers have made. If he hates what this government has done so much he should go to another country and remotely send in his cartoons to you. I have had it with your newspaper’s leftist, socialist leanings. If I have ever thought of subscribing again, you can be assured from this point on, I will never, ever even think of of it. Nor will I use your classifieds. Your circulation is dwindling and you’re probably wondering why….and what you can do to stop it. No mystery there….
By Celeste
June 23, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this
What gall to portray the US as torturers, and paint them with the same brush as Al-Queda! We’re in the fight of our lives, trying to play by the rule book and the Geneva Convention never even flits across the radar screen of our enemies. I wonder how the loved ones of those putting their lives on the line for us and for democratic principles feel about this cartoon. No doubt (deserved) outrage!!
By William McIntosh
June 23, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this
Lukovich you are an idiot. To compare The Us Government with the Terrorist is damned stupid. We are in a WORLD WAR you fool we are fighhting to preserve our very existance. Whatever means nessary is good.
By William McIntosh
June 23, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this
Lukovich you are an idiot. To compare The Us Government with the Terrorist is damned stupid. We are in a WORLD WAR you fool we are fighhting to preserve our very existance. Whatever means nessary is good.
By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent
June 23, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this
While this cartoon certainly comes close to crossing the line, it may be good to remember a few facts in relation to this war- We would likely not be involved in it had we not orchestrated torture. Early in the war in Afghanistan the CIA used rendition to transport a relatively high-level Al Queda suspect to Egypt with the intention of having him tortured. No, we probably weren’t the ones doing the torturing in that case, but we sent him to Egypt expressly for that purpose, because at that time Rumsfeld hadn’t expanded the torture guidelines for our military yet.
After being extensively tortured, this Al Queda operative spit out the information that Dick Cheney so desperately wanted to hear- that Al Queda was associated with Saddam and Iraq. Of course, it wasn’t true; the suspect just told the “interrogators” what they wanted to hear in order to avoid more suffering.
This information became central to the administration’s justification to go to war because there were so few credible links, actually none. So they went with what they had- false information tortured out of someone and false information given to them from a false source “inside” Iraq. They pushed this information through press leaks, the president’s state-of-the-union address, and Colin Powell’s address to the U.N.
Of course, since then the justification has gone from a connection to Al Queda to WMD’s to the liberation of an oppressed people, and about 30% of the country continues to buy (Danish/Granny?) any and every fabrication the administration creates.
No, our use of torture does not approach the brutality of Islamic extremists, but we do use it, and our use of it is responsible in large part for the war, 2500 American deaths, and 70,000+ civilian deaths.
By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent
June 23, 2006 12:16 PM | Link to this
In this cartoon we know that under the hood of the guy on the left is an Islamic extremist. I would make the guess that the guy under the hood on the right is a Republican Fundamentalist Christian Conservative (the same people complaining here today), probably Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, or Donald Rumsfeld. Wait, those guys aren’t Christians; they just sucker Christians into voting for them every election by screaming about gay marriage. No, it’s not the liberals who are in league with the terrorists; it’s that Fundamentalist Republicans are almost the exact same thing- war mongering religious zealots bent on spreading their ideology who just happen to use more “civilized” torture techniques.
By DON S
June 23, 2006 12:20 PM | Link to this
RE YOUR BOOK OF TORTURE,
LUCKOVITCH…YOU ARE A LOW DOWN SCUM SUCKING WEASEL HEADED PATHETIC PUNK SOB.
By Jim
June 23, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this
Do ya think ML looks at the vote count and accompanying comments assailing his rubbish of a cartoon and has a moment of introspective self-doubt? On the contrary, he will undoubtedly be even more sanctimoniously proud of what has wrought. He must truly hate our country and disdain the “unwashed masses.”
By joseph lydon
June 23, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this
This is par for the course for Cynthia Tucker the editorial page editor for the AJC. She censored a letter last year from the Georgia Govenor’s office in response to an article she wrote. She is a blame America first, US basher, Bush basher and now an military basher. How dare she allow something like this in her paper. Every newspaper in the country should drop her column from their pages, or they are going to lose an awful lot of subscriptions.
By Barbara
June 23, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this
A U.S. federal government worker located in Iraq called into a Brunswick,GA, radio talk show this morning to express the heightened state of alert due to, you guessed it, the political cartoon in the AJC yesterday. It appears, according to their briefings, that the enemy “loved” the cartoon. How can a U. S. enemy draw cartoons for an Atlanta paper?
By Achmed
June 23, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this
It absolutely amazes me that some folks believe that the Al-Qaeda vermin use torture as a response to a few guys getting panties put on their head at Abu Ghraib. I guess to be a leftie these days you have to conciously ignore the fact that the Al-Qaeda types were torturing, mutilating, and beheading their captives long before AbuGhraib. How in the hell lefties see naked human pyramid photos as equivilent to dismembering captives is beyond me. Anyone who draws a moral equivilence between the two is clearly an idiot.
By Buy Danish
June 23, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this
Will Jones,
By any chance are you related to Jim “Kool Aid” Jones? That would give a genetic component to your lunatic conspiracy theories.
Or, did you just graduate from one of our renowned Institutions of Higher Education, where you aced Leftist Propaganda theories 101?
By getalife
June 23, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this
The Washington Post has posted this toon here:
By John Wildman
June 23, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this
It’s amazing to me that so many of y’all are intimately informed as to HOW the US conducts it’s interrogations/interviews with detainees. Enough so to be able to refute and revile Mr. Luckovich’s opinion cartoon. Just WHAT/Whom are YOUR sources?
By Sharon
June 23, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this
I read the letters about this column in the print paper this morning-and now these on line comments and am once again dismayed that people want to kill the messenger, when it’s the message that is toxic. The Bush administration is part of the problem-the lack of outrage by the nation to our sanctioned policies is the rest. Wake up sheeple!
By Rednecks - America's Al Qaeda
June 23, 2006 01:30 PM | Link to this
You whiners and moaners need to face it - you voted for Bush, not once but twice - and America is reaping the fruit you have sown.
Would that these boys were still with us, and that a few hundred thousand or so of you bloodthirsty rednecks had taken their place.
By Scott Welborn
June 23, 2006 01:39 PM | Link to this
Throughout history when people can no longer be truly comical they resort to being truly vulgar and stupid. Mr. Luckovich’s June 21 cartoon falls into this category. Only humans of the lowest possible denominator can believe that this sort of thing has any merit or value to anyone other than the creator. As to Mr. John Wildman…who are his sources…Luckovich?
By Achmed
June 23, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this
We all know that rednecks aren’t America’s Al-Qaeda, because if they were everyone on the left would be making excuses for their actions. As we have seen demonstrated by blather like the above post, lefties hate rednecks. So it’s pretty safe to assume that rednecks aren’t America’s equivalent of Al-qaeda, otherwise lefties would be calling them “Appalachian Insurgents” or some such nonsense.
By hpelc
June 23, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this
The cartoon by loser Luckovitch is absolutely disgusting.To equate the US with those radical Muslim terrorists makes you want to puke.But I’m not surprised that an ultra leftwing rag like the Atlanta Urinal-Constipation would gleefully publish such trash.The one comforting fact is that their circulation keeps dropping and the dumb bozos can’t figure out why.
By d
June 23, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this
hhhmmm….isolated incidents who’s perpetrators are punished vs. continual crimes agains humanity…korans, specialized meals, and prayer rugs vs. televised beheadings and dismemberment…where’s the comparison Mr. Luckovich?
By Scott
June 23, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this
I delivered the Atlanta Journal as a child in the 60’s. I have watched it continually roll downhill through the past four decades. It has now reached what may be the bottom. The only thing that is as low as this type of rhetoric is your subscription level. If it weren’t for the coupons, want ads, and television listings, what do you think your subscription level would be? To paraphrase: “At long last, have you no shame? Have you no sense of decency?”
By CW2Privateer
June 23, 2006 02:40 PM | Link to this
Pathetic, I bet all you libs on here screaming rednecks, chickenhawks support the troops also? Well I am one of those troops and you don’t support me nor does this idiot of a cartoonist. I wonder if our troops received a cultural meal before they were MURDERED. I can hear you libs now saying I can’t be a real soldier because I would never speak out well, sorry but the Majority of us feel as I do and have little to none of the beliefs and morals you on the left have. I am easy to prove if I am a fraud, Just get a hold of the Florida National Gaurd and ask for a proud Republican. They will tell you which one, then ask for a Democrat and they will laugh at you. I am not questioning your patriotism because you never had any. IF you libs have some much guts go join your local JIHAD so that we can introduce you to the 72 Helen Thomas. B Co 1/171st Avn Hardluck 62
By Diversity
June 23, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this
Sorry for jumping on the bandwagon late . Mike, nasty cartoon , good press for the neo-cons , maybe thats what you really wanted . Vatican , a mission statement for Iraq , The US has been targeted for about twenty years now , we may have deserved some of it , supporting certain dictators , giving money to certain countries . But now we are putting an end to it after 9-11 . We are in Iraq to attract terroist elemnets to a central location , so we can kill them . Its much better than having them attack the US again and again . We also have Iran surrounded by being Afganistan / Iraq , just in case . If you were to delve deep into the Islamist thought process you would see a mentality of taking over the world bit by bit . I know its hard to understand , Bush went into Iraq under anything he could come up with , but what did Clinton do ? Appeasement doen’t work with Islamists , They have to have a new way of life forced down their throats , or these hideous terror acts will just continue . So we are in Iraq to attract , kill , rebuild , and if needed move on to the next country who sends their killers out for innocent people .
By Rory Flood
June 23, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this
What an insult to the American military and the US as a whole this editorial cartoon is. You stand on a pedestal looking down and talk that we play torture like AQ. Maybe if we played like the other side we would be done over there because we would show we aren’t afraid to play hard ball. All we do now is put underwear on there heads and the libs call it torture. Effing BS.
By mind of reason
June 23, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this
In response to this statement by “Think B-4 You Speak!”…By Think B-4 You Speak! June 22, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this An objective mind wouldn’t look at this cartoon and jump to the conclusion that we are the same as al qaeda; however, I can see how the halfwits here get their outrage. As smart as some of you people claim to be it’s amazing that you have so much trouble wrapping your little minds around something. Unless of course, you psuedo rage is an attempt to outrage the other simpletons.
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Honestly I do not believe that you yourself actually thought through your comment. This cartoon has made headlines throughout our country and many individuals that have intercepted this image have personal relations to those directly involved in the war. All politics aside, many people have suffered great losses in their lives because of the situation at hand. Therefore, I believe that you should not judge people and call them half-witted because they feel this is an attack on their beliefs. Perhaps they are more passionate than you. I mean isn’t the point of these cartoons, and art for that matter to invoke emotions? Therefore, who are you to say their emotions make them less intelligent than you.
I believe that we all as American have the right to speak our minds and create what we like whether it is anti-government or not. That is our “way”. So I find no objection to the cartoon. However just to make a point…if you look at the image, the similarities, I repeat similarities, are blatantly obvious (hint: both persons are wearing masks) and as in all forms of art…political cartoon or not, individuals will interpret it as they please.
By Jon Burack
June 23, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this
Luckovich’s preening pretense of moral superiority is bad enough. What’s worse is that it is pitched perfectly to the liberal-lefties who all grew up thinking Malcolm X said something moral when he said “by any means necessary.” Nor did these same people ever cared a wit when Saddam was gouging out the eyes of children daily in front of parents he was trying to get to talk — unless they could concoct a way to blame it indirectly on the U.S. Nor do they care about Iraqis now any more than they did then. Should they get their fondest wish and drive us from Iraq, they will shed not a tear for any future victims of the Al Qaeda-Saddamist powers that will prevail, especially if any of those victims “collaborated” with us. No boat people this time to make them even a tiny bit uncomfortable, just the silence of mass graves. And you can be sure Luckovich will do no cartoons on them, not a one.
By Tim Hediger
June 23, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this
“Do you like today’s cartoon?”
Nah, not really. It didn’t show the the true Allah’s playbook, according to Sharia - calling the “faithful” to behead the infidel! Oh, no no…not moral-equivalency!
I guess that point is lost on Luckovich.
By Peaches
June 23, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this
Here is an idea…if you find this cartoon offensive, send it to advertisers of the AJC and ask them if they will continue to support the AJC financially, allowing them to print such garbage. I think that flyers in every Publix and Kroger in Atlanta asking them why their ad dollars support the printing of this cartoon might make a difference. Just pick up a copy of the paper and find advertisers you know and ask the question. Anne Cox Chambers who owns the paper is ultimately responsible and should step forward and claim her prize.
By frank
June 23, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this
You folks can yell all the trash talk you want at each other but I did my part by cancelling my subscription to the AJC this morning and pulling $53,250 of ads I was planning to run next week in the AJC. That is the only message the AJC board will hear.
By Doug Tuttle
June 23, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this
UNBELIEVABLE! THERE REALLY IS NO PLACE TOO LOW FOR YOU TO GO. THE COMPARISON IS SO WARPED AND INACCURATE THAT IT PAINS ME THAT I HAVE TO EVEN TAKE TIME TO COMMENT.
WHAT KIND OF WORLD DO WE LIVE IN? SURE YOU ARE FREE TO PRINT ANY ABSURDITY THAT YOU SEE FIT. IN THIS CASE IT ONLY SHOWS YOUR SMALL MIND AND RADICAL DESTRUCTIVE BIAS.
YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING MORE THAN FURTHER DEGRADE AN ALREADY DISPICABLE AMERICAN MEDIA. CONGRATULATIONS FOR SHOWING NOT ONLY YOUR IGNORANCE BUT YOUR LACK OF HUMANITY.
By Rory Flood
June 23, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this
As a Canadian, I feel for my American brethren who have to suffer having the likes of this cartoonist and those at DU live in the same country. These anti-US, blame the US not terrorists are the same morons who said Canada will never become a target of Muslim extremists because Canada is oh so progressive. Suprise!! All you have to do to be a target is be a Western country and draw cartoons of Mohammed to be on the receiving end of terrorists wrath. And chickensh*t posters like GodHatesTrash and Rednecks - America’s Al Qaeda continue to show just how big a bunch of cowards you all are when you speak behind a fake name. and Libs, your pathetic!
By Lynn Reeves
June 23, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this
What kind of person is Mike Luckovich? His cartoon is mean spirited, anti-American and evil.
By Greg Brannon
June 23, 2006 04:00 PM | Link to this
“Experience proves that the man who obstructs a war in which his nation is engaged, no matter whether right or wrong, occupies no enviable place in life or history. Better for him, individually, to advocate ‘war, pestilence, and famine’ than to act as obstructionist to a war already begun. The history of the defeated rebel will be honorable hereafter, compared with that of the Northern man who aided him by conspiring against his government while protected by it. The most favorable posthumous history the stay-at-home traitor can hope for is — oblivion.” ~~ Ulysses S. Grant, Personal Memoirs
By Mike O'Malley
June 23, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this
Funny, I don’t remember AJC publishing the Mohammad cartoons. Prehaps I missed it. But I do recall that on Feb. 6th our very same AJC editorial cartoonist, Mike Luckovich, told a CNN interviewer this:
“LUCKOVICH: You know, first of all, let me say a good cartoon is designed to make people angry because you’re trying to — what you’re trying to do is make a point and certain people are going to be upset and offended. Having said that, I think these cartoons crossed a line because it was about — it was more about — to me it was like a thumb in the eye to Muslims. It wasn’t to make any kind of broader point, other than to just kind of belittle the Prophet Mohammad.”
I just guess Muslim sensitivities are more important than American sensitivities; and also unlike Muslim terrorists, Americans aren’t known to make a practice of cutting people’s heads off.
BTW: the original Danish “broader point” was to find out if Danish cartoonists and illustrators were self-censoring themselves out of fear of Islam.
The answer?: yes, with good reason.
Luckovich couldn’t even be straight about that either!
By Diane Cobb
June 23, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this
This “cartoon” is so insensitive, unfair, demoralizing, ridiculous and obscene that it is treasonous in my opinion. The liberals keep saying they are against the war but support the soldiers. Now, when two of our soldiers have just been “slaughtered”, when the fear and frustration must be at an al-time high, to even think this cartoon is beyond my mere, red state minded, conservative, traditionalist comprehension. SHAME ON YOU. You are a disgrace to humanity.