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By I Make Liberals Whine Like Babies

June 6, 2006 08:02 AM | Link to this

This cartoon is actually dead on right, for once. When the General says our troops did the unspeakable, Bush knows that they would never kill innocent civilians on purpose, that any rumors to that effect must Al Qaeda or Atlanta Urinal enemy propaganda. So he rightly chooses the next disgusting act on his list, although he’s mistaking “unit cohesion” for something a tad more personal, but hey, there’s nothing wrong with that.

By I Post News, Liberals Post Hate, Now Show Us

June 6, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this

It was 62 years ago today that U.S. troops — and other Allied forces — stormed ashore on the sandy beaches of Normandy to seize a foothold on Nazi-occupied Europe and write a fresh page in the bloody encyclopedia of valor. It was a foothold that once taken was never relinquished and was the first step on the march to Germany and the toppling of Adolf Hitler’s regime.

If you want a quick lesson in the true cost of war, walk to the top of the hills overlooking those beaches and see the vast fields of crosses and Stars of David that mark the graves of the American dead. And if you look at the ages on those markers, perhaps you will be as amazed as I was at the number of lives cut short at 18 or 19 years of age. Sometimes, it seemed an old man was all of 21 or 22.

Americans giving freedom to the French. And losing 5 times more soldiers in one day than we have the whole time in Iraq. Kind of seems like a bargain in Iraq, don’t it?

By I Post News, Liberals Post Hate, Now Show Us

June 6, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

Regarding the news reporting: This is another example of how the news media present news. First, Democrats are rarely, if ever, described as “pandering” to the Left, let alone “radical Left.” Why not? For one thing, the news media do not believe there is a “radical Left,” only a “radical Right.” Second, liberalism regards positions held by Democrats to be sincere and noble, therefore, Democratic positions can never pander to anyone.

This is part of the larger liberal view of Republicans and conservatives: They are not merely wrong; they are either phonies or bad. It is inconceivable to most liberals that a Republican politician can sincerely oppose redefining the most important social structure of society. And if that Republican’s opposition to redefining marriage is deemed sincere, it is inconceivable to most liberals that the person is anything but a bigot.

Liberals’ use of the word “radical” to describe opponents of same-sex marriage illustrates this self-aggrandizing mindset. To describe as “radical” those who wish to preserve the man-woman-based definition of marriage known to every civilization is to stand the word on its head. It is beyond intellectually dishonest — it is mendacity — to describe those who favor preserving the definition of marriage as “radical” rather than to so describe those who wish to change the gender-based definition of marriage for the first time in history. Even if you support same-sex marriage, you should at least have the honesty to admit that it is you who favors something radical.

By I Post News, Liberals Post Hate, Now Show Us

June 6, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

Giving every child the opportunity to at least begin life with a mother and father; (2) Honoring the will of the great majority of Americans, secular and religious, liberal and conservative, to preserve the man-woman marital ideal, and not allow a judge to single-handedly destroy that ideal; (3) Preserving the ability of teachers and clergy to tell the story of marriage to young children in terms of a man and woman and not confuse the vast majority of kids who are forming their vision of marriage and sexuality.

These preoccupations are neither bigoted nor radical. They are, in our view, civilization-saving.

As for the liberals’ view that gas prices are more important than society’s definition of marriage, it is so self-incriminating that no response is needed.

By I Post News, Liberals Post Hate, Now Show Us

June 6, 2006 08:05 AM | Link to this

The read of the month:

This might come as surprise to Americans casually familiar with the output of CNN, CBS, NBC or ABC but the BBC is happy anyway to add its own little three-lettered logo to the vast and steaming alphabet soup of liberal bias.

To the BBC’s editors and reporters America is a country of backward, grass-chewing, Bible-toting religious fundamentalists, ignorant of almost everything that goes on beyond their shores. Americans are obese, gun-wielding fanatics devoted to despoiling the planet with their greed for ever larger cars and ever heavier hamburgers. The US is a country of grotesque inequalities of income and wealth in which the few rich laud it over the indigent many, fuelled by tax cuts and the hacking away of welfare programmes.

BBC reporters travel the country in a state of bewilderment and bemusement at the pathos of it all. They approach their subjects like missionaries venturing into a leper colony - with an odd mixture of contempt and pity, the perfumed handkerchief stuck firmly under the nose to prevent contamination. Safely back in Washington and New York, of course, they all live high on the hog, fully enjoying the fruits of American economic success and low tax rates. Oddly enough they’re nearly always reluctant to leave the imperialist superpower for the social democratic nirvana back home and many find ways to extend their tours.

By MB

June 6, 2006 08:05 AM | Link to this

Like a fine wine, you just keep getting better, Mike. Another good one!

By w00t

June 6, 2006 08:05 AM | Link to this

FIRST POST!

By w00t

June 6, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this

awwwwwwww….

By Real Obvious

June 6, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this

A few Republicans see the travesty that is Bush’s obsession with the “gay menace”.

Senator Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, said that while he believed marriage should be between a man and a woman, he said he would vote against the amendment to ban gay marriage because the matter was already being addressed by the states. He quoted the late Sen. Barry Goldwater as saying that government “ought to be kept off our backs, out of our pocketbooks and out of our bedrooms.”

“This is a matter which ought to be left to the states, and the states are taking care of it,” he said. “It’s a matter of privacy, it’s a matter of tolerance, two very, very highly placed values in our society.”

A President who cant see the big picture is a very small man.

By N-GA

June 6, 2006 08:12 AM | Link to this

Hey bed wetter….show me one quote where any liberal said that the definition of marriage is less important than gas prices. Since you can’t, I’ll give you one.

“Reducing the exhorbitant price of gasoline is far more important than trying to legally define marriage. First, marriage has already been defined so we don’t need another myopic definition and, second, reducing gasoline prices will have a much larger impact on life in America.”

There you go you moronic wanker. No charge!

By Conservatives would rather kill Iraqi babies than fetuses

June 6, 2006 08:15 AM | Link to this

The name says it all….

By Real Obvious

June 6, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this

Divide and conquer? Not likely. How about desperation leads to division.

Wedge-issue politics may score short-term political points but will end up eroding your ability as President to unite the American people behind winning the war in Iraq, enhancing border security, advancing immigration reform, and controlling spending. Your call for “civility and decency” in this debate rings hollow because the effort to write discrimination into our Constitution is intolerant and uncivil.

This proposal runs completely counter to our Party’s conservative belief in federalism. We suggest you listen to your own Vice President who has reminded us that this is an issue that should be left to the states. And, we suggest you listen to your former U.N. Ambassador and former United States Senator John Danforth (R-MO) who has called this amendment one of the silliest ever proposed in our nation’s history.

By N-GA

June 6, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

Hey Real Obvious…I agree. I also noted the relative size of Dubya to the general in ML’s toon.

By candide

June 6, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

To white evangelicals: to defend marriage make your people get fewer divorces; they get the most.

To black preachers vs. gay marriage: you can stand up for marriage by getting blacks to marry; most black mothers are unmarried.

To others: abolish marriage and childbirth for Republicans.

By Real Obvious

June 6, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

What Iraqis think of Americans. The US has lost both their hearts and their minds.

The fact is that Haditha-type incidents are so common in Iraq that they don’t even qualify as news in Iraq any more.

Why aren’t Iraqis angry at the people who drive bomb-loaded cars into soukhs, or plant IEDs outside of hospitals and along roads, killing dozens of civilians?

The problem, in part, is that American atrocities are common enough (or worse, BELIEVED to be common enough) that the atrocities of the resistance pale in comparison. Someone killed by American soldiers is a victim of an oppressor; someone killed by the resistance is a martyr, collateral damage in a noble cause.

Until America has a government that understands that, the bloodletting – including American lives – in Iraq will continue.

And eventually, America will lose.

By Real Obvious

June 6, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

Desperation leading to division. Part II. The US occupation is is its own worst enemy says Iraq’s leader. And keep in mind that this guy is supposedly on our side.

Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki laced into the American military, accusing it of regular attacks on civilians that were “completely unacceptable” and pledging his own inquiry on Haditha.

“They crush them with their vehicles and kill them just on suspicion,” he said, adding that some in the military “do not respect the Iraqi people,” and that assaults on unarmed civilians will help determine how long American troops are welcome in Iraq.

The invasion that was supposed to help terrorism has made it worse. The invasion that was supposed to make America more feared and beloved has made us more hated. The invasion that was supposed to banish post-Vietnam syndrome has revived it.

The virtuecrats of the right thought they would demonstrate American virtue to the world as they imposed American democracy. But now, with murder charges expected against some marines, and a cover-up investigation under way, the values president is running a war that requires a refresher course on values. A bitter irony.

Pay no attention to the crisis behind the curtain!!!!

By I Post News, Liberals Post Hate, Now Show Us

June 6, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

The final imperial lesson was present that birthday of the empire when America’s boys crawled into the gunfire of the German Seventh Army on Normandy. It is blunt; and it is meant as sobering to the overwhelmed and weary. Just as there was no way back on D-Day without drowning in the flood tide of the Atlantic, there is now no way back from the rushing 21st century. The noise of the anti-Americans in Europe, the doubts of our outmanned generals, the cunning of men who hate liberty, all this needs to be heard and ignored. We go forward into empire because, as for my father on Omaha Beach, there is no retreat.

By N-GA

June 6, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

Conservatives whine:

“Oh those activist judges….”
“We shouldn’t have to register firearms, the government may come and get them if they know where they are…”
“It’s okay for the government to collect personal data on Americans…there’s a war on terror going on…”
“Why are liberals complaining about warrantless wiretaps…don’t they understand there’s a war on terror going on?”
“The rich pay more than their share in taxes…”
“A symbol [the flag] is more important than the first amendment”
“Homosexual unions threaten the institution of marriage….”
“Immigrants are stealing our jobs…”

By I Post News, Liberals Post Hate, Now Show Us

June 6, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

There are any number of liberal congressmen, commentators and opinion leaders who, like their European counterparts, actively wish America to fail in Iraq because it will mean the failure of the hated Bush presidency. Their reporting from Iraq has therefore been one-sided and defeatist from the beginning.*

The principal “lesson” of Vietnam that our enemies learned was that America could be driven from the battlefield by psychological warfare aimed at the home front. They always flee, teaches Osama bin Laden. And no amount of experience — a million boat people, genocide in neighboring Cambodia, the collapse of communism nearly everywhere — has been sufficient to alter their view.

Our liberals are the weakness of the United States.

By patriot and rebel

June 6, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

conserva-stormtroopers, do you really think anyone can take you seriously when “horror, gay people are getting married!” and SAVING THE WORLD FROM TERRORISM get equal screen time?

I mean, even you must gag on this horseshit. really.

By I Post News, Liberals Post Hate, Now Show Us

June 6, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

Wanker N-GA @ 8:12:

Sen. Hillary Clinton said the discussion of gay marriage in Congress this week is a priority of the “political machine of the White House and the Republican majority” but her constituents put other concerns first.

“When I travel around and speak with people whom I’m representing, they worry about everything from terrorism to gas prices to the cost of health care to energy independence,” Clinton said Monday at a fund-raising luncheon.

How do you like that for service?

By I Post News, Liberals Post Hate, Now Show Us

June 6, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

Nothing would send this message with more clarity than to move this week to strip Rep. Jefferson of his position on the powerful Ways and Means Committee. Simultaneously, the House Ethics Committee should begin proceedings leading to the possible expulsion of Jefferson from Congress. The Ethics Committee also should ask the Justice Department to cooperate in this effort to protect the House from corruption, and the Justice Department should agree. Like all of us, Rep. Jefferson has the presumption of innocence, and he should be allowed to defend himself. But as a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, he should be notified by leadership that if he fails to cooperate in timely manner to House actions, the House will protect its institutional integrity from behavior unbecoming of a member and intolerable to the People’s House by moving to expel Jefferson.

There should be no confusion: No American — including a member of Congress — is above the law. Congress has the constitutional right and obligation to protect itself from corruption — to protect itself. It should move now to assert this right.

By I Post News, Liberals Post Hate, Now Show Us

June 6, 2006 08:51 AM | Link to this

Opponents of oil drilling in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR), which has more than 10 billion barrels of oil, according to the mean estimate of the U.S. Geological Survey, invariably argue that exploration and development would take 10 years before the oil would begin reaching consumers. More than 10 years ago, in October 1995, the revolutionary 104th Congress included a provision authorizing ANWR oil exploration in the budget-reconciliation bill. President Clinton, fulfilling a long-standing promise to veto any legislation containing ANWR exploration, vetoed the bill. Had Mr. Clinton signed ANWR legislation into law in 1995, as much as 1.4 million barrels per day of oil would now be flowing to consumers. U.S. crude-oil production, which has averaged less than 5 million barrels per day over the latest six months, could be nearly 30 percent higher if ANWR output were available.

By I Post News, Liberals Post Hate, Now Show Us

June 6, 2006 08:52 AM | Link to this

All of this matters because it suggests that Mr. Fitzgerald is scrambling even now to explain why a seasoned attorney such as Mr. Libby would lie to a grand jury. The prosecutor’s original indictment doesn’t mention a motive. And his mention of our editorial suggests he’s now trying to invent a motive out of Mr. Libby’s attempt to defend the White House from Mr. Wilson’s manifestly false allegations at the onset of a Presidential election campaign. (Mr. Wilson joined the Kerry campaign until he was dropped after the official probes destroyed his credibility.)

There is all the difference in the world between seeking to respond to the substance of Mr. Wilson’s charges, as Mr. Libby did, and taking revenge on him by blowing his wife’s cover, which was the motive originally hypothesized by Bush critics for the Plame exposure. The more of Mr. Fitzgerald’s case that becomes public, the more it looks like he has made the terrible mistake for a prosecutor of taking Joe Wilson’s side in what was essentially a political fight.

Down the drain… sssssshhhhhhuuuuwwwwwpppppp.

Maybe you pinkos will get the next Republican president and then again, maybe not.

By I Post News, Liberals Post Hate, Now Show Us

June 6, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

If the county wants a problem solver, Rudy Giuliani might be the man. Giuliani has worked closely with the leaders of the Manhattan Institute, publishers of the City Journal, and has shown himself open to new ideas and research that might lead to more innovative approaches to urban problems.

Rudy is not a candidate so uncomfortable in his own skin that he would need a consultant to select the color tones for his suits. Americans used to love to hate New York, but Giuliani became America’s Mayor as much as New York’s in the months after 9/11, as he demonstrated his and the city’s resilience, and toughness. In the same way that it is easy to hate the Yankees but hard to hate Joe Torre, their very classy manager, Giuliani has overcome the parochialism and sense of world-centeredness that affects so many people from the Big Apple. He has become a genuinely popular national figure.

If Rudy chooses to go for the big enchilada, I would not bet against him.

By I Post News, Liberals Post Hate, Now Show Us

June 6, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

Co-workers took Rather to task for his critical report on George Bush’s service with the Air National Guard. “In my opinion he was guilty of journalistic malpractice,” former CBS News president Ed Joyce told Weisman.

“To go out on a limb with that sort of thin sourcing and then, when you get caught, go on the ‘CBS Evenings News’ defending it in such an arrogant fashion was wrong.”

By Real Obvious

June 6, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this

What uncharted realm lies beyond brazen cynicism? A wasteland of utter shamelessness, perhaps? A vast Sahara of desperation, where principle goes to die? Someday George W. Bush and the Republican right will be able to tell us all about this barren terra incognita, assuming they ever find their way home.

The Decider’s decision to whip up a phony crisis over same-sex marriage — Values under attack! Run for your lives! — is such a transparent ploy that even conservatives are scratching their heads, wondering if this is the best Karl Rove could come up with. Bush might as well open his next presidential address by giving himself a new title: The Distracter.

Let’s check in on what’s happening in the real world:

You can clink and read at your leisure.. But YOU know what the list will include! Iraq, Iran, gas prices, the economy…

All the things the worst President ever doesn’t want Americans to think about.

By I Post News, Liberals Post Hate, Now Show Us

June 6, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this

New York politicians allowed up to one-third of the $20 billion in federal aid awarded to the city in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks to be squandered right under their noses, an analysis by the New York Daily News found last December.

But that hasn’t stopped some of the same politicians from complaining all weekend about a mere $80 million cut in New York City’s federal anti-terrorism budget.

By I Post News, Liberals Post Hate, Now Show Us

June 6, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

I’m out for a little bit so don’t believe the Wankers….

By Dusty

June 6, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

Real Obvious,

You are just that—-REAL OBVIOUS. You are in the SKY IS FALLING CROWD. No one doubts that. Call yourself liberal and get it over with. And don’t forget your motto:”Bush Did It”.

Just as Americans should be standing together, supporting their troops, encouraging Iraqis to establish their own government, and giving terrorists a hard time; you and your crowd sit around whining and crying and complaining.

Osama couldn’t do it better. And he appreciates your morale-lifting comments for his men.

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

Zing! Another beaut, Lucko! The term “unspeakable” is so appropriate for some Repugnants, because they stay in the closet with their gay-ness and don’t speak about it, except when they’re outed in the media! And then they make them resign from office for being gay, i.e. former Gov. of New Jersey whats-his-name…

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 09:10 AM | Link to this

The Repugnants have little bitty minds that cannot absorb much more than the book of Genesis.

By patriot and rebel

June 6, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

there is literal war; and then there is unending, fuzzy, metaphorical war.

anyone remember… rationing; war bonds; scrap metal submission; turning out a destroyer a day from Richmond, CA; turning out 3 planes an hour from Detroit, MI; etc; etc; etc?

or … hey, anyone remember 25 million military dead, in just 6 years? 1939-1945.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ListofWorldWarIIcasualtiesby_country

WHAT THE F*** MAN?!?!?

only a COWARD fears 19 guys with boxcutters.

WE

ARE

NOT

AT

WAR

http://wearenotatwar.com

By Real Obvious

June 6, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

The Bushies are experts at making bad choices, and then letting those bad choices twist in the wind.

Remember those horrible Somali warlords who defiled the bodies of a Black Hawk helicopter crew?

THIRTEEN years after President Bill Clinton withdrew forces from Somalia, in the “Black Hawk down” shambles, American security officials are giving clandestine support to the same warlords who mutilated and humiliated US soldiers in 1993.

If you can possibly put aside, just for a second, the logic behind funding for any reason the jubilant killers of Americans… consider the logic of giving them just enough support to lose.

NAIROBI, Kenya, June 5 — After months of fierce fighting, Islamic militias declared Monday that they had taken control of Somalia’s capital, Mogadishu, defeating the warlords widely believed to be backed by the United States and raising questions about whether the country would head down an extremist path.

Even a bad job is a job worth doing well… right? The Bushies can’t even figure THAT out. Not in Iraq… and not in Somalia.

By Huge

June 6, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

The biggest “lie” told in Vietnam is being repeated today in Iraq. In Vietnam, the press issued story after story that the South Vietnamese were “almost ready” to defend themselves, and that US troops should stay just a little bit longer to ensure the “safety” of the South Vietnamese. That was a lie. A big lie.

By Dusty

June 6, 2006 09:27 AM | Link to this

Poor little Goldie,

Still trying to convince herself about the minds of Republicans. Don’t fret about the “little bitty minds”, Goldie.

It seems those same minds convinced the country about their sincerity in the last two presidential elections. WINNERS!!!

If you are counting on winning the third, forget it. Because Republicans are going to strike again. You’ll still be sitting on the sidelines, talking about little bitty minds.

By RW-(the original)

June 6, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this

finch,

It’s real obvious what you are doing. Do you admire Andy’s ability to use catchy new names so much that you have to do a bad knock off of him?

Goldie,

Yes dear, the Republicans made McGreevy quit in New Jersey. Now put down the scissors, we wouldn’t want some Republican making you cut your finger and not be able to type these pearls of wisdom you continue to spew*.

*hat-tip to getalife

By Dusty

June 6, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

patriot and rebel,

You need to change your name. You are neither a patriot or a rebel. You are just a poor guy who needs rabies shots.

The four letter words and the black print screaming do nothing more than to convince us of your stupidity. Back off. Try normal.

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

Sieg Heil, Dusty!

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Dusty, you must be one of those “good Germans” we’ve heard about. You know, the ones who “stand together” behind their leader, no matter how morally corrupt or bankrupt the leader is. So very sad.

By Dusty

June 6, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

Really Obvious,

You Slushies are really into all the secrets of the CIA and every other agency. They are telling you everything so you can tell the world and the terrorists.

Oh yeah, secret warlords in Somalia supported by USA—oh absolutely!! Al jazerra reported it. So the Slushies are in total meltdown over their secret revelations. Remember your Slushie motto “Bush Did It”and your Slushie instruction sheet “Cut & RUN”.

I am glad that I am a strong Bushie. We hate that running.

By Real Obvious

June 6, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

If you’re not losing sleep because Bush is losing sleep over such “critical” issues as gay marriage… well, maybe you should.

These are the things we are supposed to be worrying about, and you notice that it frees us of quite a few troubles we might otherwise fret about.

The war in Iraq? No sweat.

War with Iran? We’re carefree.

The economy? Hey, did you see that employment report? Well, ignore it.

Budget out of control, shipwreck ahead? Never mind—Bush doesn’t. Worst class divisions since the Gilded Age, rich so much more enormously richer than everybody else, country starting to get creepy? Don’t worry, be happy. Torture, massacre, extraordinary rendition, hidden gulag of prisons in foreign countries, Guantanamo and massive violations of international law, American law and the Constitution? Well, you can see why gay marriage is a far greater menace.

That and flag burning.

By Dusty

June 6, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

I wouldn’t harp too much on that “morally corrupt” presidential issue. Somebody just might remember that lovable Democratic president, Bill Clinton.

By Real Obvious

June 6, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

Actually it was the British press that made the US Somalia link an ‘open secret’. I guess we should subject their reporters to extreme rendition, too.

And I guess you think it’s peachy that we’re giving guns and butter to American killers.

Go ahead and follow the Deceiver off the nearest cliff. But trust me, it’s no fun to watch.

By Dusty

June 6, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

I don’t understand why everyone is getting so bent out of shape with my admiration of Nazis. I only commend them for their unquestioning devotion to their leader, even though I don’t completely agree with his beliefs. They didn’t cut and run. They stood strong like we should, because like we do, they knew that they were fighting for a just cause. God bless George Bush.

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

I am glad that I am a strong Bushie. We hate that running.

You’re the reason we have never-ending war, and the reason why the War Party is on its way out in November.

By Dusty

June 6, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

Real Obvious,

Where were you when the lights went out?

You did not list a single thing that is not currently being investigated, researched, voted on, or being studied and dealt with.

Too bad the government can’t send you a detailed report every day but they are kinda busy.

In the meantime, keep spreading the propaganda,i.e. aint nobody doing nothing. The sky is falling!! The sky is falling!!! And don’t forget your motto: BUSH DID IT!!!

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 10:18 AM | Link to this

Yep, Dusty— after having more than 100,000 innocent Iraqi citizens wiped out by W’s “spreading democracy” methods, President Clinton is sure looking like a fine statesman once again!

Oh, that’s right — the War Party likes to call those Iraqis “collateral damage” instead, the same words that Tim McVeigh used to justify the slaughtering of those Americans in OK City. Truly pathetic.

By rushncap

June 6, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

Give the sky a rest, Dusty. We all know you have a ways to go to achieve the intellectual insight of chicken little.

By AntiRadical

June 6, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

Good toon ML. Who would have thought that it could be possible to relate Haditha and gay marriage in such an economical fashion?

It is a shame that the Republican party has been reduced to the sad state of recycling lame wedge issues like gay marriage. Don’t they realize how utterly desperate this makes them seem and how detached from the real issues of today they appear?

Republican leadership seems intent on further alienating the moderate vote. Democrats wrongly thought that moderates would give them carte blanche in the last years of the Clinton administration; Republicans appear hell bent on repeating the same mistake even though they do not possess the same advantage of prosperous times that the Democrats enjoyed!

By One of the Majority's Voices of Dissent

June 6, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

You’ve got to be kidding me. Pointing to Clinton as morally corrupt? Let’s see, Clinton received oral sex from a consenting adult; Bush knowingly lied to the world about the causes for an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country, causing the deaths of thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of others (after he ditched out on his own military service 30 years ago because he was too “important” to put his life on the line ). He abdicated his office for most of his first year (the president who wasn’t there, instead “vacationing” in Texas) while choosing to ignore signs of a terrorist attack, thereby indirectly leading to the deaths of 3000 plus Americans. He leaked classified information, putting American agents’ lives in danger. He screws the poor at every opportunity to help line the pockets of his wealthy friends in the oil industry. Doesn’t sound particularly morally upstanding or Christian to me, unless you’re talking about “Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell” Christianity. I think you need to re-evaluate your idea of morality.

By rushncap

June 6, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

Woo hoo! Let freedom reign! http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/06/iraq.main/index.html 1,400 civilian deaths in Baghdad in the last month alone. 1,400!! Tell us again, Dusty, or Danish, or any of the rest of you neocons how we’re bringing democracy to this nation, and how we’re being greeted as liberators and saviors. Because, you see, from where I’m sitting, it sort of looks like more than 3 years into the war, er, I mean Glorious Democratic Emancipation there’s a “low-grade” civil war raging in the region. But, hey, they voted 3 times! I mean, who cares if your friends, neighbors or relatives are getting blown up when you got to choose a worthless government not once, not twice, but all of 3 times?

All hail Shrub the Liberator!

By wife beater

June 6, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

You’re my hero rushncap! Don’t let Dusty tell you that those items that chicken little listed are being worked on, just slap her around a little. That’ll teach her won’t it, hero?

By bobby

June 6, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

Biggest budget deficit in history; Worst job creation record in 75 years; Terrorism has increased worldwide every year since 9/11; Number of people without health insurance is at an all time high; Price of oil is at an all time high; Number of people sliding into poverty has increased every year for the past 6 years. One could go on and on and on. This isn’t spin. These are facts. Look folks, George Bush is a good man, a family man, a Christian man, but he is a lousy president. If you love him as a President, that’s fine, but don’t sit there and tell me he has done a good job. That is a debate you will lose. Conservatives simply are not critical thinkers. They do not understand what the US Constitution says or means, and they do not understand what the Bible says or means, except for those very small portions cherry-picked from either source on which they constantly hang their collective hats. They are told what to think and why to think it, and they always fall for it hook line and sinker. Why do you think these conservative talk shows are so popular? Duh!

Also, yes, our CIA has supported the war lords in Somalia, and that support will continue. It’s like this - right now, a fundamental Islamic faction has pretty much taken over in Somalia, defeating the war lords for the most part. This faction will bring peace and security to the country, and the Somalis will welcome this faction at first with open arms because of the peace. However, these fundamentalists will eventually rule the country and transform it into another Taliban-like state enforcing strict fundamental Islamic policies. This is what greatly concerns the United States, and the US will do whatever it takes to make sure this doesn’t happen. Right now, continued funding of the war lords, who oppose the Islamic faction, is the only option.

Next time, do your own homework.

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

Is Dusty for real? I don’t understand why everyone is getting so bent out of shape with my admiration of Nazis.

No wonder America is looking like a fascist state these days — the Repugs “admire” the Nazis.

Unbelievable.

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

If W is so against “activist judges” regarding gay marriage, then Al Gore should have been legally seated in the White House for the past 6 years. And my, what a better world we’d be living in today… damn those activist judges that W says are so wrong!

By getalife

June 6, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

Oh, we long for the Bill Clinton days now don’t we?

I bet the Iraqis are longing for the Saddam Hussien days too. His style of government maybe the only way to keep the peace in Iraq.

How many wingnuts are scared today due to 6/06/06?

By rushncap

June 6, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

Goldie, that was a name-jacker.

By @@

June 6, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

Really no comment on the cartoon but…..

Goldie: Dusty was namejacked, nothing could be more obvious. Maybe you jacked her and then wondered why nobody acknowledged it, so you decided to acknowledge it yourself. Kinda like Finch has been doing for awhile.

Rushncap: I’ve never seen you use “woo hoo” in any of your posts, it’s just not your style. What gives?

I guess I will comment on the cartoon. The way ml linked the two issues together was kind of amusing, but I really have a problem with using the troops as a source for humor.

By rushncap

June 6, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

I like the Simpsons, @@. I think that will explain the occasional “woo hoo”.

And I don’t think ML is using troops as a source of humor. He is using the Bush pandering to the religious right as a source of humor.

By getalife

June 6, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

Oh yes, the toon.

Well, the cat lunchbox Laura packed for W and the ridey horse is very funny.

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

rushncap— thanks for clarifying re: the name-jacking. For once, it was starting to making sense as to why the Repugs so blindly follow their “leader”, even when everything he has touched has gone kaput!

By @@

June 6, 2006 11:35 AM | Link to this

Getalife:

I saw that article in the AJC, I was wondering who would bring it up first. Did you notice ^^^ it wasn’t a wingnut? You wouldn’t be stereotyping conservatives now, would you?

By RW-(the original)

June 6, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Don’t you just love the brilliance that emanates from rushncap? I guess he can’t figure out that since everyday some bizarre wanking of Dusty occurs and is immediately followed by you pointing it out that you are both the wanker and the shocked. Most people would realize that you are the wanker posing as Dusty, especially ones that claim to be among the worlds most highly intelligent. Unless, of course, you really are the completely clueless fool you play here on the blog in which case thanks for the effort rushncap, but this is a lost cause.

By rushncap

June 6, 2006 11:48 AM | Link to this

RW, what the hell are you talking about? Did you forget your meds this morning?

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

RW— you seem to be so educated about “name-jacking”, why don’t you share with all of us here how it’s properly done? You pathetic name-jacker you.

By RW-(the original)

June 6, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

getalife,

You should be ashamed of yourself. That ridey horse is a complete affront to the calvary that once worked to save this country and make us a free people. ml is trashing their memory along with the memories of the great exploration party led by Lewis and Clark.

With Barbaro’s stud career hanging by a titanium screw you have the nerve, the gall in fact, to cheer as ml slanders the entire world of equine achievement…….okay, I can’t go on with this. The ridey horse is pretty damn funny.

By Midori

June 6, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

I wouldn’t harp too much on that “morally corrupt” presidential issue. Somebody just might remember that lovable Democratic president, Bill Clinton.

you’re just too blind and ignorant for words. how do you even get up in the morning?

By getalife

June 6, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

@@,

You mean about the lunchbox or the ridey horse?

If it is 666, well…

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

It’s no coincidence that Ann Coulter’s book is released on 6-6-06.

By Real Obvious

June 6, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

There is such a difference between the conduct of “wingnuts” here and the conduct of “moonbats” at Jim Wooten’s blog.

There, the posts by people to the left of Jim don’t routinely venture into ad hominem ad infinitum.

Check it out for yourself

But here, the “wingnuts” positively delight in attacks on a poster’s patriotism, personality, intelligence, heritage, family values, and on and on…

Aside from the fact that taking the higher road has a certain moral superiority, this “moonbat” finds it astounding that “wingnuts” think that vicious attacks on posters who disagree with them will somehow persuade the ‘fallen’ to join them.

Even if you’re right, it’s the wrong way to win an argument. No wonder you’re losing.

By getalife

June 6, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

RW,

You know me by now, I have no shame.

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

After failing to make “gay marriage” illegal, W will next urge the Senate to pass a different amendment which will make it illegal to be born gay. And if that amendment passes, you can only blame your mother then!

By RW-(the original)

June 6, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

Don’t you just love how indignant people get when their wanking is exposed? Just look at Goldie or Midori for example. finch is a good example too, but he doesn’t really seem to do much wanking. His is just a do-it-yourself fan club.

By @@

June 6, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

RW:

Since you’re on the board, I want to take this opportunity to apologize to you for encouraging you to give Finch a chance so long ago. I thought I saw something there, but now I’m seeing that something here, there and everywhere.

Rushncap:

I don’t watch cartoons so I don’t know about this “woo hoo” expletive. So why is the guy in the room in uniform? Couldn’t it have been somebody in a suit?

Getalife:

Do you know that I once had a car tag with 666 on it. I lived to tell you about it. It didn’t concern me one bit.

Did you also know that I let the F-word slip while walking with my minister one day. He laughed, repeated the word and said “It’s just a word”.

Did you know that many members of my church believe in the evolutionary theory, and aren’t chastised for it. It is actually a topic of discussion in groups.

Did you know that the members are divided on the abortion issue, and the gay marriage issue, but we all let each other have their own opinions.

Did you know that our music director was a gay male who went through a civil ceremony with his partner while they both attended our church and members not only attended the ceremony but enjoyed having them as members.

Does any liberal here know who the majority of Christians in this country really are? You people have a tendency to pigeonhole us, and you couldn’t be more wrong.

By RW-(the original)

June 6, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Thanks finch err…real obvious,

Without your help one might get the impression that we wingnuts were being called everything but a child of God by you moonbats. Glad you could clear that up!

By RW-(the original)

June 6, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this

@@,

Thanks, but it’s not completely a lost cause. finch will actually debate issues in a rational fashion whenever his imaginary friends stay out of it.

By sickofsleaze

June 6, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

To the idiot who says the lives lost in Iraq are a bargain compared to the lives lost in the Normandy invasion is a stupid insensitive fool. Any GI lives lost is NEVER a bargain no matter where it was lost and any one who makes such a remark is a stupid insensitve fool.

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

@@- Does any liberal here know who the majority of Christians in this country really are?

Yes, we do. And the majority of true Christians would be called liberal if they follow what Jesus said, instead the words of Falwell/Robertson/Dobson et al. You know, those free-thinking radical words that Jesus said like:

“Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.”

But you go ahead and pick out what your favorite words of Jesus are, and then try to spin it so that he would seem “conservative” in saying those words. Did he say to favor only the wealthiest citizens in giving out tax-cut money? Did he say that we should drop bombs on those poorer countries who may have a different set of religious beliefs? Who exactly would Jesus have suggested that we bomb if not Iraq? Syria instead? Or maybe Pakistan?

By Cindy

June 6, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

Great toon, Mike!!

Oh, Post Hate, my Democratic step-father was on that beach in Normandy. More the reason for him NOT to support Bush in his inept politics. You’re a real joke.

By Midori

June 6, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

RE,

your tail is showing.

By Yeah, Right Seeker

June 6, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

By Real Obvious June 6, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this There is such a difference between the conduct of “wingnuts” here and the conduct of “moonbats” at Jim Wooten’s blog. Blah, blah, blah. But here, the “wingnuts” positively delight in attacks on a poster’s patriotism, personality, intelligence, heritage, family values, and on and on…

By Fave June 6, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this Well put. Karl Rove and Josef Goebbels would be proud of you. Don’t forget to bring lots of flags to wave, crosses to kiss, and bibles to thump. Get pink traingles for the gays, and round up the Mexicans. And SPIN, SPIN, SPIN.

Liberals are whacked wherever you find them.

By Midori

June 6, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Isn’t it telling that we have one person constantly pointing fingers and attacking others for name jacking?

Either RW is the culprit, or he has a new crystal ball.

Third possibility?

He’s an idiotic Andy-enabler.

By Midori

June 6, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

this was addressed to RW, not RE

your tail is showing.

By getalife

June 6, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

@@,

No, I did not know because you did not tell me.

Did you know, my next door neighbor is a minister and his very large church is in his backyard?

By RW-(the original)

June 6, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Look I know RE can be a pain in the a-ss sometimes too, but that’s no reason to attack him when he’s not here.

By Midori

June 6, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

no more of a pain in the a-ss than you.

I’ve corrected myself; when will you do the same?

By RW-(the original)

June 6, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Okay, I’ll finally admit it; I’ve been doing some jacking, but it’s only to stir things up a little. They’ve become too tame with the new Mon-Fri 8-7 time-out hours.

By I'm NOT Andy

June 6, 2006 01:05 PM | Link to this

when the one true a-hole wants to let loose, he becomes Andy and when he feels “smart” he pretends to be RW…

this is one person showing the world that he’s an a$$

we all know he’s really middle aged, unemployed, fat, bald, has star wars models still hanging in his bedroom, and still reies on his mom to pay the bills and give him enough cash to get the happy ending from the vietnamese spa down the road…

By Midori

June 6, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

Midori,

That was not me.

I have never name jacked and never will.

I will always be RW.

By RW-(the original, original)

June 6, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

Yes Midori I see your correction at 12:43 and my remark on the original gaffe at 12:43. I guess I should have used my crystal ball, eh?

By Moron Liberal

June 6, 2006 01:10 PM | Link to this

By sickofsleaze June 6, 2006 12:30 PM To the idiot who says the lives lost in Iraq are a bargain compared to the lives lost in the Normandy invasion is a stupid insensitive fool. Any GI lives lost is NEVER a bargain no matter where it was lost and any one who makes such a remark is a stupid insensitve fool.

This idiot is a slob democrat just as sure is the day is long. This maggot is on the free ride express, eating away at America from the inside. There is no point at all in trying to explain to his mentally crippled as-s that Freedom comes with a price.

I’m just glad our Forefathers didn’t need the simple things pointed out to them.

By @@

June 6, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

Goldie:

You’re looking at the scriptures in very simplistic terms. Why do you think that theological scholars continue study throughout their lives? Why do you think that theological scholars arrive at different conclusions.

I don’t profess to fully comprehend scripture, that would be a presumptuous mistake on my part, but I guess you have no problem with being presumptuous.

I’ll just throw this one out there for you. “No greater gift hath a man than to lay down his life for a friend”.

Where do you reckon that one may fits when you relate it to war.

Out for awhile.

By getalife

June 6, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

Confession is good for the soul.

Wanker.

By RW-(the original, original)

June 6, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

1:07

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Good job Midori or should I say Ditz?

By clark

June 6, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

Why is it always the “vietnamese spa down the road”? or some sort of Asian descent owned spa?

Why?

Stick to the Gays and leave the Asians business women out of it!

By Real Obvious

June 6, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

Thre’s only one wanker king here. The ultimlate name-jacker, the king of spam, the lord of self-righteous contempt, the enemy of dialogue and the pope of pompousness.

And then there are his disciples. His apologists. His enablers. The ones who can’t understand that he mangles the platform of honest conservatives far more than he helps it. The sad thing is, by giving him a pass they hurt their own cause.

And you know who you are.

By getalife

June 6, 2006 01:17 PM | Link to this

I think wankers have split personalities and are heavily medicated for this condition.

With that said, there is only one person I have tried to help with their mental problem and that person is named “Andy”.

By Midori

June 6, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

RW,

Eenie, meany, chili beany,

the spirits are about to speak.

Maybe you need to get that thing tuned up?

By What's a happy ending?

June 6, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

?????

By Say What?

June 6, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

It looks like finch/ Andy’s Mom/ seeker/ real obvious and getalife’s nurses are singing to them. Must be getting close to the spastic’s bed time.

By getalife

June 6, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

Speaking of evil

This thing that Andy drools over is very whacked.

By Cast The First Stone?

June 6, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

No military in the history of the planet has ever been as observant of the rules of warfare and as discriminate in its use of force as ours. But no large organization can be utterly free of weak or evil men. In their rush to find a broader meaning in such horrible events, liberals weirdly attenuate their own ability to condemn the perpetrators.

A combat environment presents stresses unimaginable to the civilian, and perhaps no combat is more difficult than fighting an urban insurgency. But tens of thousands of American troops have faced it without going door to door killing people in cold blood. Pointing to Haditha and saying that it means we have to leave Iraq would be a little like pointing to the New York City police officer who sodomized a suspect with a broomstick and saying that the NYC Police Department should exit New York because the stresses on its officers are too great.

If Marines in Haditha did what they are accused of, it’s a terrible crime unrepresentative of the American military. Period.

By RW-(the original, original)

June 6, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

Midori,

If they’re talking “chili beany” I’m getting out of here while it’s still safe. Please try to control yourself while I’m gone.

finch err.. real obvious,

I don’t think we want to let you define the parameters of our beliefs for us. I know you liberals think you know what’s best for everyone else, it’s part of your charm. Wouldn’t it be nice if you just tried speaking for yourself for a change?

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

@@- I’m wondering how many of those dead Iraqi women and children were your “friends” before we bombed them to smithereens?

Here’s some more of Jesus’ radical words: “love thy neighbor.”

But then, maybe they don’t preach those words with your brand of Christianity?

By Cindy

June 6, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

@@, Nobody contests the honor to lay down your life for a friend. It just sucks that this administration is forcing young people to do that for…… Well, for…. Gee, I don’t know what it is for….

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this

@@— BTW, you were the one who was presuming that liberals don’t know who “the majority of Christians” in this country are.

By Real Obvious

June 6, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

Oh! You mean like Andy speaks for himself? And you defend him?

Do tell!

By Ricky

June 6, 2006 02:06 PM | Link to this

Once again Mike shows how out of touch with reality he is. Very few serious people think we are in a quagmire. None of the generals that have spoken out have said that. Have we suffered some setbacks? Yes. However, we are making progress in Iraq. Those that refuse to admit that are just as bad as those that say nothing is wrong. And then Mike makes a joke about something as serious as the acquastions against these Marines. It just shows his comtempt for the soldiers. After his post about visiting wounded soldiers in Washington, I thought he really understood the difference between the policy makers and the soldiers who carry out their decisions. However, with this cartoon it is obvious he doesn’t care. Most of those who critize the war don’t understand insurgent warfare. They don’t understand that the insurgent objective is to break the political will of their adversary. This is take time. The only way we will lose is to leave the mission undone like we did in Vietnam and Somalia. We need to get past the partisan bickering and do everything we can to win this war. If we leave Iraq without completing the mission, we will only embolden the enemy and he will realize we can’ win this war due to lack of support back home and we will have more Americans dead in the streets of America at the hands of terrorism.

By RW-(the original, original)

June 6, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

Ah finchie err….real obvious,

Andy does speak for himself and I defend his right to do that as I do yours on the rare occasion that you speak for yourself instead of trying to tell everyone else what they should say to please you.

Here’s a newsflash. I know I’m not going to win over liberal dead enders like you and the other moonbats here and I’m sure not going to say something I don’t believe in the hopes that you will like me. I post here so that readers that aren’t participating can see that there is something other than the constant pessimistic drumbeat of liberalism.

That and it’s so much fun to watch you all start spitting out your “no war for oil” type slogans when you get confronted by a different point of view.

By anti-Ricky

June 6, 2006 02:21 PM | Link to this

So, you understand insurgent warfare?

Reading some tripe from Regenery doesn’t make you an expert. It makes you a syncophant.

Go f******* yourself Ricky.

By Get Back To Being A Kennedy, We'll Cover For You

June 6, 2006 02:23 PM | Link to this

Speaking at Brown University, Kennedy called the crash a “wake-up call” but downplayed the booze controversy.

“Whether it’s alcohol or drugs, any impaired driving is wrong,” he said.

Alright, so let’s say it was cocaine then.

He also said he was “grateful” no one was injured and vowed to get back to a full House schedule.

He also thought, but did not say, that he was grateful that he was a democrat and not a Republican. This gives him the opportunity to seamlessly blend back into his life and job as though nothing has ever happened, without getting a mountain of sh-it from a bunch of two faced hypocrite pinkos, hounding him from every corner of the universe like they would a Conservative.

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 02:24 PM | Link to this

Ann Coulter, the neo-con sociopath, says this regarding the families of the 9/11 victims:

*”These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by griefparrazies. I have never seen people enjoying their husband’s death so much.” *

Be proud of your spawn, Repugnants!

By Real Obvious

June 6, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

RW,

I know you liberals think you know what’s best for everyone else, it’s part of your charm.

Oh, the irony. The idiocy. The cluelessness.

You really, honestly couldn’t make this stuff up.

By So What Exactly Is "Rehab" For A Kennedy?

June 6, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

Fresh from rehab, Rep. Patrick Kennedy said yesterday he wants to be treated like an African-American from Washington if and when he gets charged for crashing his car on Capitol Hill.

Denying that he was drunk and or that he asked the Capitol Police for preferential treatment, Kennedy, a Rhode Island congressman, said he’s prepared “in terms of bookings, in terms of mug shots, fingerprints, whatever they might have me do.”

“It’s what anyone else would have done to them if they were an African-American in Anacostia,” Kennedy said in a shaky voice, referring to the mostly minority neighborhood in southeastern Washington.

What?

By Midori

June 6, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

RW,

No prob.

I know how you like to press your nose against and sniff.

I’ll hold them for you until you return.

By Ricky

June 6, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

Anti-Ricky, too scared to come up with your own name? It’s not hard to understand insurgent warfare, it is hard to defeat it. Just read up on Mao and Ho Chi Minh. I know a lot of you on the left admire them anyway. And thanks for calling names and using foul language. It really brings a lot to the debate and shows your maturity. I would be more than happy to discuss counterinsurgency with you and share my opinions, but somehow I doubt you really want to have a legitimate discussion.

By RW-(the original, original)

June 6, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

Wow more name calling from finch err…real obvious. Isn’t he the moonbat that said moonbats don’t do that sort of thing?

By Midori

June 6, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

Hey Rehab,

where was your screed when Noelle got busted?

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

Ricky— We need to get past the partisan bickering and do everything we can to win this war.

Yes, you’re correct — the partisan bickering must end and we should agree to give Iraq back to the Iraqis. They are the only ones who can “win this war” at this point. Are you really suggesting that winning the Iraq war means that we will have killed all of the terrorists there? Is that the goal? When do you believe that is ever going to happen? Who will be the one who decides when all of those “terrorists” are dead?

So much for reality!

By Ricky

June 6, 2006 02:46 PM | Link to this

Goldie, I agree we need to let the Iraqi’s run Iraq. However they are not able to do that right now and probably won’t for another 18 months or so. I never said we need to kill all of the terrorists. The way to defeat an insurgency is to form a legitimate government(which has started), deny the insurgents a base of operations, and most importanty get the populace of Iraq behind the government. Most of your post has nothing to do with what I said, you are making your own “reality” now.

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 02:54 PM | Link to this

This seems to be the message from Ricky, RW, Dusty, You Whine and @@— let me see if I can sum it up simply for all of their war rhetoric here:

“We should all just stand on the sidelines together and cheer our troops on to victory, like good cheerleaders do, and like our president does in his cheerleader best rah-rah-rahhing. Our president was the best cheerleader in his youth. We should honor him for that. He and his family have made so many sacrifices for this war, we should honor them by being good cheerleaders.”

Good grief.

By getalife

June 6, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

The foreign policy in Iraq was a failure when they found no WMD’s.

Mr.Murtha tried to tell you but the smear was more important.

It will get worse before we leave. Murtha was right and continues to be right but people have a problem dealing with reality because they are not sacrificing anything. The troops, their families and the people in Iraq are the ones paying for this mistake.

By Real Obvious

June 6, 2006 03:03 PM | Link to this

I post here so that readers that aren’t participating can see that there is something other than the constant pessimistic drumbeat of liberalism.

How about the constant thrum of neocons? The ones who dismissively trash people with other opinions as traitors, idiots, or (dare I say it? Sure I will!) gay. And Godless! Can’t forget Godless. Why don’t you foul your own swimming pool?

That and it’s so much fun to watch you all start spitting out your “no war for oil” type slogans when you get confronted by a different point of view.

And there you go again. Isolate, stereotype, marginalize, dismiss. You wouldn’t know dialogue if it wanked you. And you will never, ever persuade doubters with your contemptuous arrogance. In the end, you lose.

Thank you for proving my point.

By Clueless

June 6, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

No, Goldie, You got it all wrong. We should cheer on Al Qaeda, so that we lose in Iraq and bring the terrorists back to New York and Washington. That way we can really bash Bush then!

It’ll be great!

By Dusty

June 6, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

Well, folks, I’ve been gone since a little after ten o’clock and I tell you—-I really get a lot done on this blog when I’m NOT here. And all the new discoveries:

First I turned into a Nazi. WOW! Wunderbar!

Then Clinton was tranformed into a saintly sex subject.

Goldie started holding church services.

Cindy doesn’t know we have a VOLUNTEER army.

@@ and RW are having a good ol time and I appreciate their efforts at scaring away name-stealing wankers who are so low they would probably steal my Manichevitz.

Sorry, didn’t mean to mention Manichevitz again. You want some, Rushncap?

By Real Obvious

June 6, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

RW,

Andy does speak for himself and I defend his right to do that as I do yours on the rare occasion that you speak for yourself instead of trying to tell everyone else what they should say to please you.

You are known by the company you keep.

By Midori

June 6, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

HEY DUSTY!!

here’s your ‘saintly sex subject’

By rushncap

June 6, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

No, Dusty, I don’t want Manichevitz. Unlike you, I don’t drink alcohol in the middle of a work day. If you had a job, you’d know what that’s like.

By Fave

June 6, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

Mike - it looks like the “conservatives” like posting on your board ‘cause you have pichers.

You know, they really aren’t conservatives though, unless the new definition for “conservative” is “angry paranoid warmongering semi-literate bumpkin”.

That like pichers.

By Dusty

June 6, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

Well, Rushncap—woohoo as you like to say…

YOU’VE GOT A JOB!!!!A REAL JOB!!!! AN HONEST TO GOODNESS JOB!!!!

Wonders never cease.

AWWW, Midori,

That jacked up picture wasn’t even cute. You can do better than that.

By candide

June 6, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

Let’s get real. The only important issue is how do we survive 2 1/2 more years of Bush. I suggest, but am not ready to do it myself, that someone shoot him through the eyes. Has anyone a better solution?

By rushncap

June 6, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

You are easily impressed, Dusty. No wonder you think every word that comes out of Shrubby’s mouth is pure gold.

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 04:03 PM | Link to this

Clueless— you are certainly welcome to “cheer on Al Qaeda” all you want, now that they’re there and everywhere else in the world. Al Qaeda never had a toehold in Iraq before your guy Bush brought them there. Took his aim off of Afghanistan and allowed Al Qaeda to spread throughout the world. And hey, some great stuff happening in Afghanistan now, too, right? Your guy Bush hasn’t got the competence or the focus to do anything right… the world is a more dangerous place today because of his incompetence.

But you go ahead and cheer for your guy because you obviously don’t care about all of the destruction he’s caused. Somehow you think that “everyone stand together behind our president” is going to win that never-ending war.

By Thomas

June 6, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

I actually hope the republicans win the next election —-

I mean - Why should us Democrats clean up their mess (AGAIN!)

By Dusty

June 6, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

Candide,

I hear the weather around Guantanamo, Cuba is very pleasant. You will have found the most suitable place around.

Would you like us to send postcards?

And all the great opportunities!!You can learn ASL—Arabic as a second language. Fun in the sun as ‘tis said.

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

candide— your solution would only put Cheney in charge at the White House… maybe instead we can put more Dems in Congress with the Nov. elections. That will put a stop to some of this madness coming out of the WH — at least then we can limit which laws get passed!

By Huge

June 6, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

Candide, Re: your post of 3:43

But guess who’s waiting in the wings?!! Dickhead cheney; now there’s a real piece of work…

That is one of the many fascinating (repulsive?) things about W; the cast of clowns he has surrounded himself with - by and large, Ronald Raygun leftovers and huge oil/corporate whores…

By RW-(the original, original)

June 6, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

finch err… real obvious,

I can’t even begin to imagine how you know what company I keep. Maybe it’s that self-anointed omnipotence of yours. When are you going to get over getting outed as seeker and start being yourself again?

By candide

June 6, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

DUSTY: YOU ARE A FASCIST SH////T.

By Clueless

June 6, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

Goldie, sweetheart: Have you heard of Afghanistan? Somalia? Chad? The World Book Atlas? Al Qaeda infests all of these countries, dearie. And they were there while your boy Bubba was in office.

Do you have a calculator, hun? Minus 45,000 dead fanatics from Billy’s total and that’s what George has done for us. O.K. I’ll give Clinton credit for 19 of those deaths.

And the reason I like George so much is because he took the destruction to their country instead of Washington, D.C. I know that probably has you miffed, but these are the small things I expect from my president.

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

Do y’all remember when Bush was campaigning as “a CEO president”? Now what company would hire a CEO that’s an incompetent boob like Bush?

Oh, yeah, right — Enron! I’m looking forward to the day when Bush might join Ken Lay in the “CEO jail cell.” My, what a pretty picture that makes!

By Dusty

June 6, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

Now Candide,

Don’t get all bent out of shape. You want to be ready to relax. Just think! Your own space, hot meals and like minded company. What more could you ask?

Gooooo Guantanamo!!!

By james

June 6, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

thanks for puting it on the line. wonder why the present admistration thinks every straight man is tempted by gay men? his so called bill is and insult to us all. maybe he is the one tempted.

By rushncap

June 6, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

Clueless — there is no more apt nickname on this board. Thanks for your honesty.

You know, I laughed for the second time at this cartoon when I noticed the “Hello Kitty” lunchbox that our very own Chimpy sports. Very appropriate. And quite a nice touch.

By Goldie

June 6, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

Clueless — yes, there were small #s of Al Qaeda in Somalia, Chad, etc. And their numbers have spread exponentially throughout the world due to Bush’s vision of “spreading democracy.” What Bush has accomplished instead is spreading more terrorism everywhere.

So tell me, Clueless (perfect name for you, BTW), if everyone knew that Al Qaeda was not in Iraq before Bush invaded that country, but we did know that they had some of their fanatics in Somalia and Chad, why didn’t Bush invade those 2 countries instead? Why not take the fight to our real enemies and where they already existed? Instead Bush cries about Saddam “he tried to kill my daddy!” Ever wonder if that’s the reason we went there instead of Somalia and Chad?

Or maybe it’s because Bush knew that there were no missiles with nukes there, no yellowcake uranium, no “mobile chemical labs” — whatever had been found years before by President Clinton’s inspectors had been destroyed. All subsequent inspections came up nil — do you wonder why that is?

You’re welcome to feel “safe” because of what Bush has created in Iraq, but if you think that Al Qaeda is not here in America right now, you’re truly delusional. And they don’t come across our borders as “illegal immigrants” — they do it legally with visas and passports. Or, you tell me which one of the 9/11 hijackers came into America illegally?

And watch who you call “sweetheart”, Clueless!

By @@

June 6, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

I’ve got a story even more complicated story.

Did you know that a group of Guatamalans, unable to speak english purchased the house across the road from me. They weren’t aware of the fact that they can’t use the house as a church without rezoning. They were denied. I actually feel badly for them, but at the same time don’t want a church in a house across the road. A church would be fine. They’ve owned it for two years, have paid the mortgage and can’t use it. The neighbors tend to look the other way on occasion, but that may turn around and bite us in the a-ss. Their lawyer claims that we are violating their civil liberties.

The dramatic conclusion to this complicated story will appear at your place. Stay tuned.

By C-Lo

June 6, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

Its funny to see everyone painting opinions as liberal or conservative, us versus them. I don’t know what purpose it serves except to divide and galvanize people. Its a perfect ploy that Mr. Rove played to the hilt in the last election and is playing now to find a political foothold to keep his party in power. Unfortunately, that is all folks in Washington care about - power. Short term political gain at the expense of the long term progress. Isn’t that what keeps getting this administration in trouble?

By Dusty

June 6, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

I’ve heard of revisionist in history but you run it though the shredding machine.

Clinton’s efforts in Africa?? One cut’n’run in Somalia and one bombed pharmaceutical building in Sudan..And his inspectors cleaned out Iraq? If you insist there never were any WMD, exactly what did these inspectors cause to be cleaned out in Iraq?

Oh well. Give us your song and dance again. Bush Did It. Whatever it was. Bush Did It!!!

By test

June 6, 2006 05:28 PM | Link to this

test

By @@

June 6, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

Goldie:

I’ll have to disagree with you, I didn’t presume, I just asked if the liberals here see all Christians as religious fanatics or if we can be seen as individuals rather than a marauding clan.

Innocents have died in every war ever fought by man. It is an unfortunate circumstance which can touch all of our hearts. Jesus said, “Love thy neighbor as thyself” or desire for your neighbor that which you desire for yourself. Freedom from oppression.

Jesus also said that “He came not to change the law (old testament) but to fulfill the law” (new testament). Jesus was God with us. David was a flawed man after God’s own heart. He would be seen today as a warmonger, but he sure had God’s support in his efforts. He was spared countless times during battle through God’s efforts.

Cindy:

You and I will also have to disagree as to why this war is being fought. I believe that Sadaam did use weapons of mass destruction against his own people. Just because it wasn’t a nuclear weapon, doesn’t make the ones he used any less destructive to innocent lives.

There are many Iraqis who support our efforts and desire their freedom. I’m not gonna be the one to pick and choose who to save.

My favorite book in the Bible is Ecclesiastes. It tells me that the world is an evil place, and not to focus my attention on the evil that men do, but to look higher.

Now I’m not going to discuss my religion or my faith anymore. It makes me sound like a preacher and I’m not qualified.

My post to Getalife was…….well, to Getalife.

By Midori

June 6, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

Clinton’s efforts in Africa?? One cut’n’run in Somalia and one bombed pharmaceutical building in Sudan..And his inspectors cleaned out Iraq? If you insist there never were any WMD, exactly what did these inspectors cause to be cleaned out in Iraq?

Regardless of your efforts to downplay and denigrade Clinton, he was at his best on his worst days.

What accomplishments has your talking monkey made? What bombs of his missed their target? What about Bush’s cut n’ runs?

you hypocritical moron.

By Midori

June 6, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

well looky here - found some accomplishments of Bush’s for Dusty to brag about

By Clueless Liberal

June 6, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this

Goldie, Hun: I’m really not interested in rehashing what the Daily Kos has told you. Defending the United States from terrorist attacks is not one of their top priorities, in fact, it’s probably the only time you liberals pray to God is when you are wishing for another of our buildings to get knocked over so you can rag Bush with something new.

Yes, sweetie, there are more upset people in Somalia, which, fortunately for me, I don’t give a rat’s as-s. You may lose sleep and fret, but I would rather see the zipperheads mad at us then have a bunch of New Yorkers jumping out of the Empire State building. It’s just one of the many things that makes us different.

And if you libs shut your mouths for just a few moments, listening to what is being said to you, you would understand that Bush invaded Iraq because it put 150,000 crack American troops on Iran’s border.

Kill two birds with one stone?

Or are you still stuck on stupid/ oil?

By Stuck on Stupid

June 6, 2006 06:17 PM | Link to this

And if you libs shut your mouths for just a few moments, listening to what is being said to you, you would understand that Bush invaded Iraq because it put 150,000 crack American troops on Iran’s border.

Oh GREAT!! What cunning strategy! What tremendous military precience!

It’s bad enough that Americans can’t stabilize one country. Now you want them to invade a SECOND! With THREE TIMES THE POPULATION!! And a REAL AIR FORCE! And possibly real WMDs. And a UNIFIED ARMY OF SH-I-ITE ZEALOTS!!

You want the United States to lose. Right? You’ve got some bookie deal in London or Monaco that has us eating dust, right?

Lord, tell me you’re just kidding.

By hewhoasks

June 6, 2006 06:17 PM | Link to this

**By Clueless Liberal

June 6, 2006 05:58 PM

And if you libs shut your mouths for just a few moments, listening to what is being said to you, you would understand that Bush invaded Iraq because it put 150,000 crack American troops on Iran’s border. **

True, and he’s never admitted that was his motive. Typically, he lied about it and continues to lie about it. That’s largely why Iraq is in such a horrible state: Bush isn’t paying much attention to Iraq, he’s plotting war against Iran (as the next but certainly not the last target in that region.) If Bush gets that war the opposition you see to US in the world will lok like friendship compared to what will arise. Take the time to shut your own mouth and contemplate the reality. (As if.)

Bush is dragging the US toward massive, unprecedented failure - on all fronts.

By hewhoasks

June 6, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this

“And the reason I like George so much is because he took the destruction to their country instead of Washington, D.C. I know that probably has you miffed, but these are the small things I expect from my president.”

You forget the Pentagon? It is located near Washington, D.C., if not actually in it.

By clark

June 6, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this

By Clueless Liberal

June 6, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this

And if you libs shut your mouths for just a few moments, listening to what is being said to you, you would understand that Bush invaded Iraq because it put 150,000 crack American troops on Iran’s border.

we are all just small pawns in some evangelical wet dream of re-enacting the Crusades!

By getalife

June 6, 2006 06:32 PM | Link to this

This Justin would scream, THOU SHALL NOT KILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jesus would say Impeach Bush now!

W said God spoke to me.

The nut in Iran said God spoke through me.

I say, lets leave God out of foreign policy.

By getalife

June 6, 2006 06:38 PM | Link to this

No they are not kidding. Wingnuts want WWIII and hate the fact they are trying to talk to Iran.

Read the wingnut blogs and it will shed some light on their agenda. Of course, they will not scarifice nothing but American lives to conquer their fear of Islam.

By Clueless Liberal

June 6, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

Well, it’s good to know that y’all can live with major destruction in some American city but, gasp, bombing a soon to be nuclear madman back to the stone age is just so rash. I mean it’s not like he hasn’t threatened the world or Israel or anything.

Nope, the brave liberals want to beef up the firefighters and first responders in New York and let Al Qaeda just blow off some steam, just have at it, we wouldn’t want them to be mad at us, now would we? It’s theraputic for them to knock down some monuments filled with Americans, ain’t it?

Call me old fashioned but I’m all for Bush taking it to their as-s.

finch/ Andy’s Mom/ seeker: Would you mind not mimicking my every word, “stuck on stupid?” The hysteria is one of your trademarks, loser.

By Duh

June 6, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

Yethur! We’re fighting in Eye-rock so’s we don’t gotta fight in this here country. Any good Republiscum knows all too well that them soldiers of that mighty Eye-rock army was ready to INvade DC. God bless Bush & Mercah!

By @@

June 6, 2006 07:03 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

Jesus would say Impeach Bush now!

Is that you speaking for Jesus er…God? @-

By Buy Danish

June 6, 2006 08:29 PM | Link to this

You are known by the company you keep

Finch,

What company do you keep here at ml’s place? The harpies, rushncap and midori, immediately come to mind. Birds of a feather?

And for someone who is so anti-war, you seem to be making an exception when it comes to your own very personal War Against Andy. The morning, noon and night b*** is really getting tiresome (as is your gay-marriage baiting).

By Clueless Liberal

June 6, 2006 08:59 PM | Link to this

You hit the nail on the head, Danish. This finch thing is a sullen, insolent, angry little failure who seems to be bitter with the world and angry at Andy in particular.

I challenge anyone to find the last time this genuine waste had anything good to say about the United States. He sounds like a member of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard with all of his anti American bullsh-it. Maybe he’s one of their trained barracks bit-ches, they’ve deployed her to this country to attach itself like a parasite or some disease.

It’s act is tedious, you have to wonder how anyone who hates this country so much would still live here. Maybe it is a coward who knows it will be stomped if it tried that garbage in it’s homeland.

Nothing but human trash.

By ILike

June 6, 2006 09:11 PM | Link to this

booty

By ILike

June 6, 2006 09:14 PM | Link to this

i suffer from PMS

Putting up with Men’s S**

By ILike

June 6, 2006 09:15 PM | Link to this

i suffer from PMS

Putting up with Men’s S-hit

By ILike

June 6, 2006 09:16 PM | Link to this

Jesus Hates the Yankees or is it the Red Sox?

By ILike

June 6, 2006 09:18 PM | Link to this

South Korea got Seoul

By ILike

June 6, 2006 09:20 PM | Link to this

Spain: Where NO means NO

By ILike

June 6, 2006 09:23 PM | Link to this

THIS COMMENT IS WRITTEN IN HOMOSEXUAL, CAN YOU READ IT?

Sorry you had to find out this way. And by the way, the sentence you’re reading right now can only be read by people with herpes.

By ILike

June 6, 2006 09:35 PM | Link to this

public service announcement

I BET YOU’LL VOTE NEXT TIME HIPPIE! Did you vote with the majority? and stay home? Nice going!

By finch

June 6, 2006 09:39 PM | Link to this

Cool!

I know I’m making a difference when the wingnuts pay attention to me.

Pay attention to this. It’s as true today as it was 3 years ago.

I dare you.

By ILike

June 6, 2006 10:02 PM | Link to this

Ma and Pa where rocking on the front porch when Pa turned and slapped Ma, Ma said what was that for? Pa said for forty years of bad s-ex. Ma said oh and continued rocking. Ma reached over and slapped Pa. Pa said what was that for? Ma said for knowing the difference.

By ILike

June 6, 2006 10:04 PM | Link to this

The Perfect Breakfast As a Man Sees It

You’re sitting at the table and your son is on the cover of Wheaties, your mistress is on the cover of Playboy, and your wife is on the back of the milk carton.

By finch's fantasy

June 6, 2006 10:19 PM | Link to this

So finch, if you know so much, why haven’t you run for president? Is it because you’ve got that hind sight thing going on?

It’s like Reagan said, “If you’re afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside. The people of this country are ready to move again.”

We’ll do better without your kind.

By Buy Danish

June 6, 2006 10:33 PM | Link to this

finch,

I only agree with the bits about you being obsessed with Andy. Include me out of the rest of the commentary that followed my 8:29.

By Clem

June 6, 2006 10:54 PM | Link to this

Be nice to finch and all the other little people that live in his PC. He does know everything just as soon as the New York Times can tell him. I bet it was confusing to our little “real obvious, seeker, finch, mirror and the rest” when the “news” organizations he loves so were covering up Saddam’s atrocities so that they could stay in Baghdad. He’s not alone you know. rushncap came right out and said he forms no opinions until the Times and Kos tell him what to think.

Now that’s news for you, CNN won’t tell you what’s going on, but by God they’ll be there. Of course finch could never be President or any other leader for that matter. A leader has to make tough decisions before all the pieces of the puzzle have come together. People that nit pick the results can never be leaders. If you don’t believe that look at the pre-war predictions made by all the liberal pundits. Since they all said we would lose tens of thousands of troops just trying to get to Baghdad, I’m not throwing my lot in with them for foresight.

These are the same folks that told you the Cambodians would be just fine if we would only abandon Viet Nam. They brought you global cooling and the pending ice age in the 1970’s, so let’s just jump on their man-made global warming disaster now.

finch’s party ran the City of New Orleans and the State of Louisiana. They failed to evacuate, spread falsehoods about the situation on the ground, demanded help come into the city while simultaneously saying to the federal government to stay out of the city and then conveniently laid the bodies at the feet of the President without a minutes thought of how their incompetence and bogus reporting had exacerbated the problems.

The list goes on and on, but the finch’s of the world will march like lemmings to whatever whack job theory their “scientists” like Al Gore or the fabled New York Times spin out for them.

In any case, be nice to them. The burden of being so wrong, so often and always trying to find someone to blame while insisting they are victims is a heavy load to carry.

By owl

June 7, 2006 03:42 AM | Link to this

Click it and….

“Atheiest flag burning —- are all going to make us sing the National Anthem in Spanish!”

Don’t say you weren’t warned….

By finch

June 7, 2006 05:21 AM | Link to this

By finch’s fantasy - June 6, 2006 10:19 PM | Link to this

So finch, if you know so much, why haven’t you run for president? Is it because you’ve got that hind sight thing going on?

We’ll do better without your kind.

I’m laughing. This has GOT to be a jacker!

Isn’t it?

By Jesus

June 7, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this

I’d like to know what special taxes you religious conservatives pay that give you a superior right to rule over others. Do you contribute more to the taxbase that you can impose your views on others? Infact, most of you drain it by having kids then divorcing and not supporting them.. yeah! family values. It’s a pointless smokescreen and pandering so a small portion of fanatics.

By Cindy

June 7, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Clueless, What does “terrorists in New York and Washington” have to do with Iraq? Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan, not Iraq.

By robdawg06

June 9, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

Liberal to the bone Lukovich is stuck on President Bush. You have a Democrat congressman taking bribes caught by the FBI and its not worth a joke from Luckovich ? There’s a whole lot more in this world happening day to day to draw and make fun of than only the President of The United States. You are perceived as a traitor to the U.S. with all your humorless jabs at our nations leader.

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