Mike Luckovich

By Liberal Texas Democrat

May 29, 2006 08:28 AM | Link to this

I guess it’s a good ‘toon. It’s Memorial Day. I don’t want to disturb my thoughts. I’ve other places to be .. other people to visit.

By seeker

May 29, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

Club Fed! Soon splitting at the seams with Repukes. Oh, wait! Congressional offices are special, aren’t they?

WASHINGTON - The Saturday-night FBI raid on Rep. William Jefferson’s office, said to be an unprecedented and reckless intrusion by the executive branch into legislative space, produced a bipartisan cry of outrage from Capitol Hill.

Although Jefferson is a New Orleans Democrat, the rush to protect him was led by House Republicans, giving them political credibility. Speaker Dennis Hastert of Illinois, as well as the new majority leader, John Boehner of Ohio, mounted an all-battle-stations effort to protect the institutional sanctity of the House and the separation-of-powers doctrine.

Even Attorney General Gonzalez says this makes him sick. You can’t help but wonder what Hastert and his cronies have in their filing cabinets and freezers.

By @@

May 29, 2006 08:47 AM | Link to this

I would really have appreciated a cartoon recognizing Memorial Day. I’ll post to this special day anyway.

Memorial Day, in memory of freedoms won for people around the world by brave and dedicated servicemen who are ready, willing & able to perform their duty when called upon. Thanks guys! They just don’t come any better than you.

I could address the cartoon, but I’ll wait to see how everybody is feeling today. We should all be acknowledging that our freedoms have been protected by others and that we should be an extension of that sacrifice.

By seeker

May 29, 2006 08:52 AM | Link to this

This Republican isn’t in jail. He would be if blatant hypocrisy was a crime…

In August 1999, political organizer Ralph Reed’s firm sent out a mailer (opposing) legislation that would have made the U.S. commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands subject to federal wage and worker safety laws.

Now those seven-year-old words are coming back to haunt Reed, the former executive director of the Christian Coalition and a candidate for the Republican nomination to be Georgia’s lieutenant governor.

A year earlier, the Department of the Interior — which oversees federal policy toward the U.S. territory — presented a very different picture of life for Chinese workers on the islands. An Interior report found that Chinese women were subject to forced abortions and that women and children were subject to forced prostitution in the local sex-tourism industry.

What’s a little forced sex and a few forced abortions to a guy like Ralph? Profit before principles! Bet on it.

By candide

May 29, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

If Mike had done a Memorial Day cartoon you super patriots would have complained that he desecrated the day. Leave him alone. He is a very talented man whose influence, I hope, will work towards the defeat of all Republican Fascists.

By seeker

May 29, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

Iran is doing what the ‘US coalition’ can’t. Taking control of a strategic patch of Iraq.

[BASRA, Iraq - Southern Iraq, long touted as a peaceful region that’s likely to be among the first areas returned to Iraqi control, is now dominated by Shiite Muslim warlords and militiamen who are laying the groundwork for an Islamic fundamentalist government, say senior British and Iraqi officials in the area.](http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/world/14685601.htm

The militias appear to be supported by Iranian intelligence or military units that are shipping weapons to the militias in Iraq and providing training for them in Iran.

Some British officials believe the Iranians want to hasten the withdrawal of U.S.-backed coalition forces to pave the way for Iran-friendly clerical rule.

A lose lose situation. The US and its poor British allies are losing the battle for the “hearts and minds” of Iraqis. And by letting Iran strut it’s stuff in Iraq (something Saddam would have never allowed) they’re losing the battle to contain Iran.

Impeach Bush and show our soldiers you love them by bringing them home.

By candide

May 29, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

Yes! The best way to support our troops, deceived and ignored by Bush, is to bring them home.

By Ricky

May 29, 2006 09:36 AM | Link to this

candide, I am sure glad you aren’t in charge of our troops

By Dusty

May 29, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

Seeker and Candide,

Have you ever looked around and realized what SORRY citizens you are? Today is Memorial Day and you are so busy bashing Bush you can’t remember anything else.

Please stop posting. Everything you say is against this country. We are celebrating this Memorial Day and MOST of us love this country. Do us a favor and keep your ugly thoughts to yourself. THANK YOU!!!

By AntiRadical

May 29, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

Good toon ML. The Reps certainly seem to be intent on earning the label of “Culture of Corruption” that has been bestowed on them. I remain struck by the contrast between the GWB/Clinton administrations and the actions of Congress in getting to the bottom of charges leveled against each.

Congress was always eager to begin a new inquiry regarding Clinton but with GWB’s many blunders and questionable assumptions of executive authority, Congress has mostly stone walled probes or special prosecutors. This reaffrims my belief that no one party should ever be granted total control over government and that the Executive and Legislative branches should especially be under the respective control of opposing parties.

I believe Clinton was a succesful President due to the fact that he and Congress were always at such loggerheads that the government was too hamstrung to be able to screw something up. Remember those government shutdowns Clinton forced by refusing to sign off on pork laden budgets? “He who governs best, governs least.”

Happy Memorial Day to those men and women who have honorably worn the uniform of the United States of America.

By Joe Roman

May 29, 2006 10:05 AM | Link to this

This Just In:In a break with tradition and a bid to make a dent in the federal deficit, the Bush administration has made a change in Memorial Day ceremonies. Troops slated for deployment to Iraq will be shot in the head at selected military cemeteries around the country. Not only will this save in transportation costs getting the troops killed in Iraq, it will also dramatically lower funeral costs. The House and the Senate both passed resolutions praising the fiscal responsibility of the administration. Voting was along party lines.

By @@

May 29, 2006 10:09 AM | Link to this

Gosh! I guess I can see how people are feeling today. Aside from LTD, Dusty & Ricky who acknowledge that this is a special day in memory of servicemen, we have Candide & Seeker. What is it they want to acknowledge today?

Candide basically declared that ml should be allowed to say what he wants, but the rest of us should leave him alone and let him speak out. Is that the same as telling us to keep our mouths shut?

Seeker fails to acknowledge the memory of dedicated veterans of past wars which have afforded not only him, but others in far away country’s their freedom.

I’d like to say I’m shocked, but I’m not.

By Buy Danish

May 29, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

@@,

Thank you for remembering Memorial Day. It would have been nice if “conservative Democrat” ML had recognized that fact.

Seeker,

Government ordered abortions occur all over China, not just in the Marianas, and they also occur right next door in Mexico.

Indeed, not a few forced abortions occur right here in the U.S. where young girls are prevailed upon to do the convenient thing, and it often happens “late term”.

Legislation to end that practice, and to require parental notification, is obstructed by liberal Democrat judges.

Judging from your outrage at Ralph Reed, I trust that despite being a faithful liberal, you oppose your comrades on this issue.

By finch

May 29, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

It’s a good day to show a little respect for common values and patriotic service.

(Hat tip to RW’s blog for expressing similar thoughts.)

“What ought to be unquestioned among us is the honor due those who have little to say about the rightness of a war but who take on the duty of fighting it. Memorial Day in America dates back to our bloodiest and most divisive conflict, the Civil War. The observance of it has waxed and waned in solemnity in the years since — mostly waned.”

“A White House commission was set up five years ago to encourage a moment of silence at 3 p.m. on this day. But as with most White House commissions, it hasn’t had much success, which is perhaps just as well. This is the sort of observance that ought to spread by word of mouth and a common sense of obligation. So, a thought for this afternoon, about 3 o’clock: Today the common cause of all demands not your valor, or even your inconveniencing — it demands only a moment of your time to remember.”

By @@

May 29, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this

Sure Danish! It’s today and everyday for me.

When I thought it couldn’t get any worse, I refresh to see Joe Roman. Now JoRo as he/she is known, rarely exhibits a sense of humor here, but chooses today to inappropriately apply it to soldier’s deaths.

I guess he thought it was a bright idea. Lights Out Joe!!!

Is that what they call “dark comedy?” I’ve never been a big fan….always found it too macabre.

By seeker

May 29, 2006 10:34 AM | Link to this

Danish,

The forced abortions in the Marianas weren’t government ordered. They were ordered by the bosses of the Chinese immigrants. Those bosses worked for the US owned companys who paid Ralph Reed the hypocrite to support this virtual slavery.

If you can’t see the moral distinction, then you are beyond redemption.

By AntiRadical

May 29, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

Actually in China, abortions are not forced anymore than they are in the USA. Surely in both places (and most others around the world)the practice is encouraged by as many groups as are opposed to it.

China operates not by forcing the proceedure but by refusing to grant any official government recognition of children who are born in excess of quota. They basically say, “Have as many children as you want” (but those children will not be able to work, own property, support themselves or their family, and their family will be fined)

This practice is much more onerous than abortion in that it starves the “illegitimate” children to death or forces them into lives of slavery (often in the sex trade) and encourages selective abortion for gender determinate in a society still obsessed with the production of male off spring.

Wish I could stay to discuss the issue but duty calls. Too bad the new hours conflict so heavily with work schedules. It would make more sense to open the blog at night rather than day hours so that more could participate.

By Dizty

May 29, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

OK everyone, lets all say The Pledge of Allegiance.

By Ricky

May 29, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

Joe Roman, how can you find it amusing to talk about shooting soldiers in the head on Memorial Day? What a sick and twisted individual you must be

By mike beaudoin

May 29, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

To bad M.L. can’t even take a day off from bashing President Bush..Today would be a good day to honor our brave men who died so that M.L. still has the freedom to draw what he wants. What are you going to do M.L. when President Bush is no longer in office, You better hope another Rep. gets into office so you can keep your job!!!

By rushncap

May 29, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

Yes, Dusty, let us all remember and thank Bush on this day, which he has made so much more “special” for the families and friends of over 2,500 of our servicemen and women.

May they all rest in peace. And may we have leaders in power who will do everything they can to prevent more names from being added to the list.

By @@

May 29, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

I guess Joe can only project dark humor. What else can be expected from such a “dark soul”?

By getalife

May 29, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

Today is not about the flag or Bush, it is about the fallen troops

By Ricky

May 29, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

rushncap, why does everything have to be about Bush for you? Do you blame Johnson for making this day “so special” for 56,000 famialies? Once again this blog shows how bitter the political environment in our country is

By SamX

May 29, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

For propaganda reasons Bush won’t allow the photograghy of a flag draped coffin. The President of the US won’t honor our brave soldiers, but some of you are crying over a cartoonist. God help us.

By Dahlonega Cadet

May 29, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

Anybody that wants a Memorial Day tribute can pick up a print copy of the AJC. The entire front page as well as a special pull-out section are devoted to honoring Americas service personnel.

The angry right is never satisfied though. This is because they truely don’t give a hoot about soldiers. Soldiers are just expendable cannon fodder in the rights quest to gain political advantage through war-hawking. There is not enough soap in the world to wash the blood of American soldiers from the hands of the Republican party.

By N-GA

May 29, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

The toon on the website/blog is yesterday’s toon. I haven’t seen today’s. I’ll decide then whether or not ML acknowledged Memorial Day, or if he chose to bash Bush instead…..

By Dusty

May 29, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

Yes, Rushncap,

I am thankful we have a president who cares enough about American citizens to try and protect us. Those in the military who died for us certainly knew what they were fighting for. They have fought for us in many wars and we are still safe. We honor them.

I hope that you will realize one day that keeping terrorism away from America is saving thousands of our citizens. 9/11 broke our hearts but made us realize what was lurking. We honor those who FIGHT the very set of people who would do it again.

I am glad we have a strong leader. And I am glad we have a strong military who will do what it takes to protect us. May all of them come home to us alive and well. And may we support them even as we honor the dead.

By Joe Roman

May 29, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

Unlike most you wingnuts who climb upon your sanctimonious crosses every time you hear the words ‘veteran’, I am a veteran. Most of you have no clue what it feels like to have friends killed and maimed because some lily-livered coward with an ideology wants to feel tough. The GIs who have been likked in Iraq may as well have been executed by your chickenhawk heroes before they shilled out for all the good it has done. Saying soldiers died for nothing doesn’t dishonors the soldiers. It shines the glare of the spotlight on the irresponsible politicians who got them killed and the armchair warriors who supported the insane policies that got them killed. My war was Vietnam. It was just as stupid and just as pointless as this one. I and those who didnt; come back fought bravely, but we didn’t do it because we supported the policies that put us there. We were fighting to stay alive. I’m sure our counterparts in Iraq are doing the same thing. Buy Danish and the rest of you rightwing clowns think patriotism is tough,empty talk and misrepresenting those who disagree with you. It isn’t. Patriotism is trying in whatever way you can to stand-up for American ideals. Read the Constitution. Read the Bill of Rights. Read Lincoln’s speechs for starters. If you see anything in those sacred documents that relates the your disgusting mindset, let me know. You people make my skin crawl.

By candide

May 29, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

Memorial Day: remembrance of those who died for their country, including those 2400+ Americans who died in Iraq for the aggrandizement of Bush. For every one of them Bush should be shot the same number of times. Cut his body up into the same number of parts and feed them to the crocodiles in the Nile (I don’t think the Euphrates or Tigris have crocs.)

By Joe Roman

May 29, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

You wingnuts just don’t get it, do you? I am a veteran, and don’t feel “honored” by you bunch of sanctimonious clowns who have never come within a mile of combat duty. If the dead of Vietnam and Iraq had just been executed by those responsible for sending them to their deaths, they would be no less dead, and their deaths would have been a little more honest. Admitting our troops died for nothing doesn’t dishonor the troops, but characterizing that way makes you look ridiculous. Admitting they died for nothing is the first step in preventing future American soldiers from dying for nothing. You think war is just another form of empty political posturing because that’s all you know. I feel nothing but bitterness and depression on Memorial Day. It only reminds me of a year of meaningless danger and futility and how close I came to dying for nothing. You chickenhawks make my skin crawl.

By SamX

May 29, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this

The new Iraqi government recently endorsed Iran’s nuclear program.

In southern Iraq, Iran is now helping to put religous extremists in power. Southern Iraq was once the most stable and peaceful part of Iraq.

Yes Dusty, lets thank Bush for keeping us safe.

By rushncap

May 29, 2006 12:45 PM | Link to this

Yes, Ricky, I do blame Johnson. In fact, a lot of people blame Johnson. Just like I blame Brezhnev and Gorbachev for the thousands that died needlessly in Afghanistan. Just like I blame Hitler and Stalin for the millions that died needlessly in WWII. I would find it terribly amusing, if it were not so morbid, that if someone went into a house with an axe and murdered the whole family in that house, you’d be howling for him to get the chair. But when someone’s actions result in many orders of magnitude more deaths, that’s called “strong leadership”. Eddy Izzard sort of nailed that whole attitude.

And I th – Pol Pot killed 1.7 million people. We can’t even deal with that. I think, you know, we think if – if somebody kills someone, that’s murder, you go to prison. You kill 10 people, you go to Texas, they hit you with a brick, that’s what they do. Twenty people, you go to a hospital, they look through a small window at you forever. And over that, we can’t deal with it, you know? Someone’s killed 100,000 people. We’re almost going, “…Well done! You killed 100,000 people? Ahhh. You must get up very early in the morning.

Dusty — do they have fairies in that dreamland of yours? Or is that too gay, and therefore not acceptable in a neo-con dreamland?

By Jesus

May 29, 2006 12:50 PM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By finch

May 29, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

Monday is usually ml’s day off. So, no cartoon today.

I think ml’s ‘toons and essay printed May 21 about his recent visit to Walter Reed reflects his respect for veterans very eloquently.

Here it is for anyone who missed it.

By Dusty

May 29, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

Dahlonega Cadet,

I doubt every much that you are a cadet. If so, you are in the wrong part of town. The Boy Scouts are meeting over in the hut. Hurry over. You will be safe. They are tying knots today.

SamX,

Where do you live? Have you been attacked by terrorists?

Rushncap,

Patriotism may be dream land to you but it isn’t to me. Dancing with fairies is more your kind of thing, not mind.

By Dusty

May 29, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this

If you don’t mind, I will make that mine.

By rushncap

May 29, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

No, Dusty, I’m patriotic, just like you. Our definitions of “patriotism”, however, differ wildly. Yours is “wave a flag while Americans die needlessly”, while mine is “try to make sure Americans don’t die needlessly”.

By Midori

May 29, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman,

You’re all right.

Fellow vet here.

And a wonderful Memorial Day to everyone.

I remember as a child my father would take all of us to the cemetary to reflect on the lives of our grandparents.

This day is for remembrance.

I miss my Dad. He was a veteran, too.

By Dusty

May 29, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

You have a translation problem. Patriotism doesn’t include white flags. Well, maybe in France but I’m not French.

Please tell us how you plan to make sure Americans don’t die needlessly while fighting terrorism. Stab the enemy with knitting needles so they will run off?

The flag I am waving is red, white and blue. It has never been aligned with “cut’n’run”. Don’t even try to define patriotism for me. I’ve known what it is for a long time.

By rushncap

May 29, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

Did you run out of cliches, Dusty, or are there more coming? Maybe “these colors don’t run”? Come on, you could only come up with 3 paragraphs of Limbaugh/Hannity-speak? Don’t they revoke your premium membership for that? You disappoint all your gods and heroes at Fox News, Dusty, you really do.

Midori — happy Memorial Day.

By SamX

May 29, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

Dusty, why does it matter where I live?

Bush attacking Iraq because of terrorism would be like attacking Christian churches after Christian terrorist Timothy McVeigh bombed the OK City federal building. Or bombing Christian churches after Christian Eric Robert Rudolph terrorized this country in the name of God.

But since you asked I live in a city that was the victim of three terrorist bombings in the last 10 years-ATLANTA. That does not make me want to spy on churches. It does not make me want to hold other Christians accountable for something they had nothing to do with it.

I do not feel safe because Bush invaded Iraq. The evidence is in and its scary, we are now more at risk than ever, we have created another Iran.

By Dahlonega Cadet

May 29, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

Dusty can’t imagine that many of the students at North Georgia are repulsed by fake patriotism which places soldiers in harms way merely to use their brave efforts for political purposes. Patriots like her have no more concern for our soldiers than they do for the Iraqi people who they are also using for political gtandstanding.

By Pink Lady

May 29, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman: I see your point of view completely. I lost several friends and school mates to the Vietnam war. I think about them often and not just on Memorial Day. What a waste of human lives.

I lost my 19 year old cousin to the Korean war. He played games with me when I was a child and left crying to report for duty when I was nine years old. His body was never found. I keep a pair of sunglasses that he gave to my father before he left. This is my way to remember him.

I do honour the men who have died protecting us. But, to our leaders I say please make sure you are protecting us and the war is necessary before you send our finest young men to their deaths.

Happy Memorial Day to those who served.

By WashingtonState

May 29, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

Memorial day should be a day to remember all the brave people who have given their lives to defend this country. Whether they were Democrats or Republicans doesn’t matter now. It should be a day to put aside partisan bickering and join in thanks to those people.

By Dusty

May 29, 2006 02:56 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

You speak in cliches, stale old liberal presumptions. I don’t listen to radio except for jazz music. Except for local news, Lehrer News Hour is my main source of news. So there goes that old cliche.

You are a disappointment. I thought someone I assumed “escaped” from Russia, could at least recognize American values. But you cannot even honor our dead without “throwing off” on the living here. I fear you have been brain washed of all American patriotism. Your writings speak too clearly.

By Dusty

May 29, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

Dahlonega Cadet,

My patriotism is not fake. But you are. Cadets at Northa Georgia College and University are not drafted. They go there because they want to go there.

I doubt seriously that they go around talking about “blood on the hands of Republicans” and other such propaganda. Go peddle your goods somewhere else. This is Memorial Day. Try to remember that.

By WashingtonState

May 29, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

I was wondering how long that would last. Dusty, maybe you need to rethink your ideas about patriotism. As far as I can tell, there are more “liberal” regulars on this blog who have served in the Armed Forces than have not. Please give us the benefit of doubt, at least.

By WashingtonState

May 29, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

Sorry, make that more “liberal” regulars than “conservative” regulars.

By Dusty

May 29, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

SamX,

OK. You win. Baghdad is safer than Atlanta. I hope you can find a nice quiet place there to enjoy the Euphrates.

In the meantime, I will stay right here in Atlanta and enjoy the Chattahoochee. I can do that because the Armed Forces of America are keeping this country safe. While I am enjoying the river, I will remember all those Americans who died to keep this country free. Keep freedom flowing.

By rushncap

May 29, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

Dusty, can you do no better than “I know you are, but what am I?” I say “you speak in cliches” to which you basically respond “nu-uh, you do!”. I say “you disappoint so-and-so”, you respond with “you are a disappointment”. Can’t you even type on this blog without someone else (in this case me) doing your thinking for you?

I recognize American values. Invading a country that has done no harm to us or our allies is not one of them. “Republicans truly are as gods amongst us, and G. W. Bush is as Zeus Himself” is not either. Freedom — of thought, of press, of conscience — those are it. And I love and embrace them. And you are having a devil of a time dealing with that concept.

By Dusty

May 29, 2006 03:33 PM | Link to this

Washington State,

My father, husband and son have served in the military, two of them during war time. Does that mean that I can’t be patriotic on Memorial Day because I am not a veteran?

Just exactly what do you mean wondering how long that will last? You seem to be referring to my patriotism. It will last as long as I live, thank you. Is there anything else you want to know on this Memorial Day?

By WashingtonState

May 29, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

I was referring to the half hour of silence when I suggested that it was not appropriate to engage in partisan bickering about partiotism on Memorial Day. Secondly, I was referring to the fact that you have defined patriotism on your own terms and fail to see that many who disagree with you are patriotic also, and in fact have served our country as well as your family has. Just because we disagree with you doesn’t give you the right to spit in our faces and call us unpatriotic.

By Dusty

May 29, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

That is the final insult. To claim that I use your thinking for mine. Heaven forbid!

You try to complicate things that are simple. Patriotism is not difficult to recognize. All the phony forms presented on this blog are not difficult to identify. You may love freedom but you will not fight to retain it.

Those we honor today fought for it.

By finch

May 29, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

Washington State,

You’re my kind of patriot.

Here’s to a thoughtful and compassionate Memorial Day for all Americans. Here’s to all those who fought and died so that we might live in a country that’s about as close to perfect as any country on the planet.

By WashingtonState

May 29, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

finch,

Amen.

By Dusty

May 29, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Washington State,

You are getting a little carried away there. I have never spit in anybody’s face, actually or figuratively. But I do define patriotism on my own terms. Who defines yours?

When someone posts utterly unfounded statements about our country and our armed forces in Iraq, what do you want me to say?

Only a hypocrite would say “That’s great! I think you are tearing the country apart but that’s OK. Go ahead. This is Memorial Day. But don’t let that stop you.”

Before you say it, I also have freedom of speech. Did you forget that?

By rushncap

May 29, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

If it makes you feel any better, Dusty, I was neither flattered nor happy that you basically plagiarized me. Nor was I particularly surprized.

Things are simple, Dusty, to a simple mind. To a child, or someone with childlike thinking, it’s all very easy. “Mommy good. Broccoli bad. Mr. Pwesident good. Dentist bad. American flag good. Not American flag bad.” It’s just that most of us grow up and figure out that the world is complicated, filled with shades of gray and multiple other colors. You seem to have not quite reached that point yet.

As for your assertion that I would not fight to protect freedom, please feel free to shove it back where you pulled it out from. I will have no objections, and you will look slightly less foolish. Everyone wins.

Happy Memorial Day, finch.

By WashingtonState

May 29, 2006 04:01 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

Chill. You may not think you are “figuratively” spitting in the faces of liberals, but sometimes what comes across in print without the other cues that a conversation fact to face carries sounds harsh. As to how I define patriotism, it is a love of country coupled with a determination to keep it on the right track. That means not being afraid to speak up when I think we are heading down the wrong track. Give us the benefit of doubt, as I said in my first post. We may not agree with you, but we don’t consider you unpatriotic. At least you can reciprocate.

By Buy Danish

May 29, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this

The forced abortions in the Marianas weren’t government ordered. They were ordered by the bosses of the Chinese immigrants. Those bosses worked for the US owned companys who paid Ralph Reed the hypocrite to support this virtual slavery.

Seeker,

There is nothing in the 8:52 link you provided that backs up your assertion^^. I see nothing that shows that Ralph Reed was being paid a dime, and nothing indicates who is forcing these women to have abortions.

Do you have other sources to share with us, or do you just invent things out of whole cloth?

Here is what your link actually said:

An Interior report found that Chinese women were subject to forced abortions and that women and children were subject to forced prostitution in the local sex-tourism industry.

[It also alleged that the garment industry and other businesses set up facilities on the Northern Marianas to produce products labeled “Made in the USA,” while importing workers from China and other Asian countries and paying them less than U.S. minimum wage under conditions not subject to federal safety standards.] (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/28/AR2006052800964.html)

By Dusty

May 29, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

Poor lil Rushncap,

Now you have reverted to “baby talk”.

When would you consider the proper time to fight for freedom? Oh, don’t bother to tell me. I am sure it is long and complicated subject much fraught with subjection, objection and great tortured thought.

Fortunately for us, those we honor did not stand around deciding the proper time to fight for freedom They fought for the freedom of all Americans. Thus we are able to celebrate and honor them on Memorial Day…..in a great unchained country we so cherish.

By rushncap

May 29, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

It’s wonderful, Dusty, that in your fairy world perfect decisions are made without the terrible burden of thought. If only the real world in which most of live could be shoehorned into that ideal. Unfortunately that is yet to happen. But the Cheney Administration has made a career appealing to smiling simpletons like Dusty. I guess you gotta know your audience…

As for when it is “proper time” to fight for freedom, I would say it’s “when it is attacked”. And if you can point out to me how Saddam attacked our freedom, I would… oh, nevermind. I wouldn’t want to hurt your head, Danish, by asking you to think about something. I’ll let you base your worldview on a selection of bumper stickers.

By WashingtonState

May 29, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

I’ve got a great bumper sticker:

I DON’T HAVE TO LIKE BUSH TO LOVE AMERICAN.

I think that sums up the essence of this little debate pretty well.

By seeker

May 29, 2006 04:41 PM | Link to this

Ralph Reed was being paid to lobby against a bill that would have forced businesses in the Marinaras whose goods were promoted as “Made in USA”, to abide by US labor laws, including the minimum wage.

And it’s not “alleged” that Marinaras workers were paid less than the minimum wage.

It’s a fact. $3.05 an hour to be exact.

That makes Ralph “sweat shop” Reed’s hands very, very dirty.

And those women werent seeking abortions on their own. Dirty Ralph. Dirty dirty dirty.

By WashingtonState

May 29, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

I don’t have to like Bush to love AMERICA. Sorry, my fingers are dragging. Time to go outside and enjoy the day.

By Dusty

May 29, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

Washington State,

So it is A=OK for you to object to something when you think it works against the country. But it is wrong for me to do so?

Seems like a double standard. I cannot accept something as patriotic if I don’t think it is.

So I should be sweet and kind like Candide, N-GA, Seeker, Fred, JoRo, etc. etc. etc.? I think you are preaching to the wrong ccongregation about sweetness, kindness and patriotism.

I believe EVERYBODY here can reciprocate. It’s a free country, alleluia!

By GWB-(the unoriginal)

May 29, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

dusty,

screw you, you ridiculous turd. how dare you attack freedom of speech on memorial day. you’re now on public record as completely hypocritical and a troll. congratulations.

and, by the way, only cowards like you think we’re at war: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zack-exley/message-for-08-dems-onlb21425.html

By Dusty

May 29, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

Me—Dusty. She—Buy Danish. You—-Rushncap.

Oh, those great thought processes. Don’t want to tax them too hard.

It’s hard but somebody’s gotta do it.

Au revoir. I’ve gone to wave the flag.

By Joe Roman

May 29, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Midori and right back at you. Those of us who know the consequences of war in a personal way can see clearly that war can only be the last resort and never just a political calculation. Sadly, too many veterans get gulled into believing this “honor the dead by staying in Iraq” nonsense. It’s like the words of the old folk song, “When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?”.

By rushncap

May 29, 2006 05:02 PM | Link to this

Ummm…. I think Dusty snapped altogether. I kinda feel guilty I drove her to this. Oops.

By GWB-(the unoriginal)

May 29, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman, SamX,

thanks for your thoughtful comments.

By Midori

May 29, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

Joe,

My uncle is a retired warrant officer (helicopter pilot). He sounds just like you. He survived war, but the effects linger on. I called him one night, right after Shock and Awe, and he told me some stories that turned my stomach. He says if anyone was “lucky” enough to live thru a war, that person would think twice about starting one.

He detests Bush, and has absolutely no respect for him.

By WashingtonState

May 29, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

Dusty,

I tried appealing to your better nature, but I see it is hopeless. Maybe I can make it simple enough for you to understand. We are all Americans, Democrats and Republicans; many of us have bled and died for our country. The guns that killed us didn’t care which party we belonged to. Most decent people would refrain from calling their fellow Americans with whom they disagree unpatriotic on this of all days. You have the RIGHT to call me unpatriotic, but do you have the DECENCY to refrain?

By @@

May 29, 2006 05:31 PM | Link to this

Why is everybody ganging up on Dusty? Shame on everybody here.

I want to take a moment to point something out to all of you here who are proud of your service. You should be!

But I will also tell you that when Semper Fi was posting here, many of you claimed that he was an armchair warrior, a chickenhawk. Someone even bet him $1,000 that he didn’t have a DD214.

Guess what……he served. He’s my husband and I have all of his paperwork in a brown manila folder in the file cabinet. But yet, you doubted him.

Thank you to everyone here who has served to protect this great nation, past and present.

By rushncap

May 29, 2006 05:34 PM | Link to this

Actually, WashSt., I don’t think for Dusty it’s a question of either “right” or “decency”. I really think that she is simply incapable of understanding this basic concept. There is something in that brain of hers that prevents the concept of “someone who disagrees with me but is still patriotic” from making logical sense. I think to her the concept is like “a circular square”: each individual word makes sense, but when she tries to unite the idea in her mind, it simply rebels. I don’t even think it’s malicious. She seems to lack the ability to make this notion fit the logical universe in her mind.

By WashingtonState

May 29, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this

@@,

Dusty is kind of like Andy. They bring trouble on their own heads. I tried to be reasonable with her and point out that there was perhaps another side to the issue than what she perceived, but she chose to take that as a personal attack. Not everyone who disagrees with the Bush administration is a traitor and even if you think so, Memorial Day is not the best day to voice those thoughts. I have lost too many relatives in wars and have served in the armed forces myself. No one can call me unpatriotic without risking a fight. Dusty’s family may well have an exemplary record of service to our country, but so does mine.

By patriot and rebel

May 29, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.

By getalife

May 29, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this

@@,

Semper Fi?

I thought it was Scooter?

By Buy Danish

May 29, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

Seeker,

So it all comes down to a minimum wage/sweatshop argument.

You have not showed me that Ralph Reed got a DIME from these employers.

More of the ususal Innuendo and obfuscation.

By Buy Danish

May 29, 2006 05:59 PM | Link to this

Patriot and Rebel,

Actually, if you knew a damned thing about how it works in America, we all live under the same laws and enjoy the same freedoms, and freedom is most certainly not the exclusive terrain of the minority, and “dissidents” do not have special rights.

By RW-(the original)

May 29, 2006 06:03 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

You may want to read back over this later without being blinded by your own self-righteousness. I just read the thread and it seems like you are the one spitting in the face of someone that doesn’t happen to agree with you.

Why should Dusty have to shut up to keep from you being upset? It seems to me like everyone should be able to make their own points and counterpoints without the p-issing contest over who served how.

By WashingtonState

May 29, 2006 06:05 PM | Link to this

Not to change the subject, but someone posted about abortion earlier. Abortions for children found to have major birth defects have become commonplace in this country, but now England is taking it one step further. Talk about slippery slopes.

By Buy Danish

May 29, 2006 06:08 PM | Link to this

Washington State,

I have re-read Dusty’s comments, and fail to see what you are in such a tizzy about.

Perhaps if you cited a specific sentence that you disagreed with, we might have a clue.

She is correct that on Memorial Day one should be remembering our soldiers, past and present, not using it (like JoRo did) for cheap political shots.

It is possible to disagree with the Iraq war without turning it into a vicious Bush-bashing session, but that sort of grace is beyond the “dissenters” who have posted here today.

By patriot and rebel

May 29, 2006 06:12 PM | Link to this

@@,

Why give Dusty a hard time? Because she is posting clearly inflamatoty, and often personally targeted, statements. Shame on “us” for responding her emotionally supercharged attacks? Uh… not. She’s been backed into a corner and is getting bloodied on this one; such things happen when you’re in the wrong.

Scroll back over the last year or so on this blog, and you’ll see far more conservatives ganging up on people with progressive thoughts than vice-versa.

By WashingtonState

May 29, 2006 06:15 PM | Link to this

RW,

I saw the flag you posted on your blog and was heartened by it. I guess I was premature. Dusty is welcome to call me any name she wants, but when she says on Memorial Day that those who disagree with Bush are unpatriotic, she crossed the line. Those crosses aren’t just covering Republican bodies.

By Buy Danish

May 29, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this

Talk about slippery slopes

Washington State,

Bingo.

By patriot and rebel

May 29, 2006 06:19 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

You’ve again gone on record illustrating your ignorance. No s** we all have the same rights. That’s an Abbie Hoffman quote; it implies nothing about special rights for different people. Ever heard of the “tyranny of the majority”? Tocqueville? John Stuart Mills? Do you know a f*** thing about the philosophical underpinnings of our country? OBVIOUSLY NOT!

By RW-(the original)

May 29, 2006 06:21 PM | Link to this

p and r,

As a frequent target of the “progressive” gangs I don’t think your experiment would hold up to much scrutiny. It only seems that way because conservatives are capable of defending their positions without whining that they are being picked on.

By Buy Danish

May 29, 2006 06:24 PM | Link to this

Patriot and Rebel,

For someone who claims to follow this blog closely, you certainly are selective in who you decide is inflammatory.

Would you like to see a law passed so poor little “rebel” won’t get “offended”? Would you like to take away Dusty’s freedom to give your more of your own?

Judging from your earlier definition, that’s the goal.

By WashingtonState

May 29, 2006 06:25 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Most people would agree that a child with an invariably fatal birth defect could be ethically aborted; however, in this country that has been extended to include children with conditions like Down’s Syndrome, who are mentally retarded. It was inevitable that it would end up like this. A consistent ethical system would not allow the abortion of even a child with an inevitably fatal condition. How’d we end up here?

By WashingtonState

May 29, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish, R.W.,

You are right, I am a little sensitive about this issue of calling people you disagree with unpatriotic and traitors. And being rebuffed when I tried to extend a hand of compromise didn’t help. But it is Memorial Day and you would think that people would realize that Americans of all political persuasions have died defending their country.

By seeker

May 29, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

Danish,

Abramoff arranged for House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) to visit the islands in December 1997 to tour textile factories. The commonwealth¹s government, an Abramoff client at the time, and the Saipan Garment Manufacturers Association paid for the trip.

Follow the money. Reed was working for Abramoff then. Reed is dirty.

By RW-(the original)

May 29, 2006 06:31 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

I find it odd that instead of pointing out where Dusty crossed the line you have chosen to attack me instead. I could interpret your statement as meaning that I posted a flag at my blog out of some sense of faux patriotism, but I think I would be over reacting.

Isn’t there a chance that you are doing exactly that?

By Buy Danish

May 29, 2006 06:40 PM | Link to this

You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.

P/R,

Nothing like a tired old dinosaur pretending to be a “rebel”. That implies to me that the “dissidents” get to do whatever they want, and to hell with the rest of us.

Kinda like the “freedoms” he discusses in Steal This Book, like in this chapter on “Shoplifting”.

I guess you and rushncap have something in common too, in that you are both unassimilated.

By WashingtonState

May 29, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

R.W.,

See post of 6:30

By Buy Danish

May 29, 2006 06:48 PM | Link to this

Seeker,

Will you follow the money from Jack Abramoff to Dem Minority Leader, Sen. Harry Reid?

Abramoff was a very busy guy.

By Buy Danish

May 29, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

Washington State,

Like R.W., I’m still waiting for the specifics on where Dusty crossed the line.

By RW-(the original)

May 29, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

Obviously your 6:30 and my 6:31 cross posted, but I still don’t see where Dusty did the things you are accusing her of. I am not in a position to read the blog over and over so if you can’t point it out I’m going to have to assume that I’m right and it didn’t happen.

By patriot and rebel

May 29, 2006 06:54 PM | Link to this

I am certainly not selective in who i think is inflamatory; I am, and want to be, inflamatory. Attack away. I welcome the fight. I WANT TO SPILL BLOOD. LITERALLY, blood on the streets. That time has come.

(Apropos on memorial day, natch.)

Let’s start with this:

You are a sychophant to an imperial executive who is destroying our country piecemeal. Thus, you are my country’s enemy.

and here’s a bit heartier fare:

Name five post-enlightment thinkers Thomas Jefferson has quoted or referenced in his writings, and a sentence summary of his opinion on each. Now, count how many are French.

(Go ahead, google it and pretend you didn’t have to. )

By patriot and rebel

May 29, 2006 07:00 PM | Link to this

[I’m doing my patriotic duty to not let the terrorists win, and going to a memorial day BBQ. so, don’t worry, i’m not ignoring you; i’ll answer any responses/attacks later.]

By Buy Danish

May 29, 2006 07:14 PM | Link to this

Rebel with a tired cause,

Blogging 101: When you italicize what are presumably quotes, it is expected that the italicizer will attribute the source of the quote and put it in SOME sort of context.

Of course, it’s possible that you were jacked, but I guess we’ll have to hold our breath until tomorrow to get the answer.

By News You Can Use

May 30, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this

“Our nation is free because of brave Americans like these, who volunteer to confront our adversaries abroad so we do not have to face them here at home. Our nation mourns the loss of our men and women in uniform; we will honor them by completing the mission for which they gave their lives — by defeating the terrorists, by advancing the cause of liberty and by laying the foundation of peace for a generation of young Americans,” he said to applause from troops, families of the fallen and others gathered at the cemetery’s 5,000-seat white marble amphitheater.

Any Questions?

By News You Can Use

May 30, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this

This administration also successfully threw the book at biggies at WorldCom, Tyco and Adelphia Communications Corp. and now Enron. On the political-corruption front, the Bush Justice Department has won guilty pleas from U.S. Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham, R-Calif., uber-lobbyist Jack Abramoff and three former GOP congressional aides. Still, House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi rails against the GOP “culture of corruption.”

Maybe Nan is not being sincere?

By News You Can Use

May 30, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this

Several structural problems confront the Democrats in the House elections. Just three- to four-dozen House races out of 435 at stake are truly competitive. And among the 18 Republican seats that are open, only half are in districts where “Democrats have a remote chance of winning,” Mr. Cook says. Making matters worse, the Democrats were able to recruit only second- or third-tier challengers in many key districts where the Republicans looked vulnerable.

Stuart Rothenberg, Mr. Cook’s chief rival in the political predictions business, believes “the House definitely is in play” and has increased his estimate of likely Democratic gains “from 5-8 seats to 7-10 seats,” short of the 15 seats needed to topple Republicans from power…”

By News You Can Use

May 30, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

As Americans have witnessed the Senate’s abysmal handling of the immigration issue, moderate Republicans say their constituents are demanding a tougher stance against illegals. Rep. Christopher Shays of Connecticut, for example, says that, three weeks ago, he supported a path to citizenship for illegals. After attending 18 community meetings in his district and learning how vehemently his constituents oppose this, Mr. Shays has reversed himself and now opposes citizenship for illegal aliens. Elected officials in Maryland (like Connecticut, one of the bluest of the blue states) would do well to rethink their own positions, particularly the fact that their state has become a mecca for illegals living outside the state who want to obtain driver’s licenses.

By Jhdies

May 30, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

W would look good in stripes too!

By News You Can Use

May 30, 2006 08:05 AM | Link to this

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

The Democratic National Committee’s Web site features a prominent section devoted to what it calls the “Republican Culture of Corruption.” Recent events indicate that the Democrats are living, ethics-wise, in a glass house and that their initial glee at the indictments of Republicans such as Rep. Thomas DeLay and Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham may have been misplaced.

Just yesterday the Associated Press reported that the Senate Democratic leader, Harry Reid, took free ringside tickets from the Nevada Athletic Commission to three boxing matches while the commission was trying to influence him on federal regulation of boxing. Republican senators either paid for the tickets or recused themselves from the legislation, the AP said. But not Mr. Reid, who explained to the AP, “I’m not Goodie two shoes.”

Then there is Rep. William Jefferson, a Democrat of Louisiana. The Justice Department says in an affidavit that it found $90,000 in cash in his freezer and that it videotaped the congressman accepting a $100,000 bribe. Mr. Jefferson maintains he is innocent.

The congressman who was the top Democrat on the House ethics committee, Alan Mollohan of West Virginia, has been engaging in dealings that a New York Times editorial described as “shady.” While serving in Congress, Mr. Mollohan managed to amass a real estate empire that includes a $1.45 million oceanfront home while investing alongside a nonprofit executive whose groups receive federal grants that he earmarks. The Wall Street Journal reported that federal prosecutors are investigating Mr. Mollohan, who says the charges against him are false, outrageous, and irresponsible.

Ssshhhhhhhh! Quiet!

By News You Can Use

May 30, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this

Swift boating himself:

If Mr. Kerry is going to release his private Vietnam memorabilia to friendly reporters, maybe he ought to sign Standard Form 180 so as to release his full military record to the general public. Instead, Mr. Kerry signed Standard Form 180 as a private release to three reporters on the Boston Globe, the Associated Press, and Los Angeles Times. Maybe Mr. Kerry could also show the public his discharge papers, proving once and for all that he was not given a less than honorable discharge for his anti-war protests.

Importantly, Mr. Kerry did not apologize via Ms. Zarnike for his 1971 testimony to the Senator Fulbright’s committee in which he maligned the record of all Vietnam vets by falsely accusing them of war crimes “committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.” Mr. Kerry also did not deny that while he was yet a Naval Reserve officer he met with the enemy in Paris, specifically with Madame Binh, the chief negotiator of the Viet Cong.

By News You Can Use

May 30, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this

Rep. Charlie Norwood, Georgia Republican, sees through the sham. In a press release, Norwood calls the Senate bill an “amnesty bill” designed to give “preferential treatment” to illegals over American citizens. “This bill constitutes treachery against U.S. sovereignty,” said Norwood, (and) “allows every illegal alien in America to use the fraudulent document industry they have created in the criminal back alleys of our country to claim they have been here five years and can now stay forever. They have granted blanket amnesty for citizens of foreign nations against tax fraud, Social Security fraud, Medicare fraud, identity fraud, and bank fraud - all crimes for which there is no forgiveness or mercy for citizens of the United States.”

By News You Can Use

May 30, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this

Such declarations of future crisis are a little hard to take from a politician who can’t recognize present ones. Over a million unborn children dead a year from abortion in America doesn’t get Gore’s moral juices flowing; yet stopping the globe’s warming, a rather more cosmic task than stopping abortion, must be undertaken for the “children,” he says.

Gore’s formulation is backwards: the issue of global warming justifies circumspection not dogmatic moralizing and invites enormous political mischief. The threat to a properly ordered human society comes not from the environment but from environmentalists, who, once their alarmism is accorded the status of “truth” and the basis of legislation, will rearrange civilization through endless regulation, all of which will conveniently benefit them.

For the left, catastrophic global warming isn’t an inconvenient truth but a Noble Lie—a fiction that can be used to propel the world towards a statist utopia the left preached long before it discovered the environment as a leveraging issue.

Giving away this game, Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment, once said: “No matter if the science is phony, there are collateral environmental benefits…Climate change {provides} the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

By News You Can Use

May 30, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this

In similar manner, Congress should appoint an independent commission, composed of government, energy industry, and public interest and environmental representatives to study which areas, now off limits, can be opened for exploration, extraction, and refining with maximum economic benefit and minimal environmental disruption. As with BRAC, lists would be presented to Congress for an up-or-down vote. As with BRAC, there should be several rounds, depending on need.

Congress should also create a separate agency to manage and enforce the following:

Strict environmental standards, including oversight of technologies used.

Protection from ruinous and predatory lawsuits, in exchange for a simple code of behavior. If you mess it up, clean it up immediately. If you hurt others, make them quickly whole.

Allocation of a percentage of profits to production (not research) of alternative fuels, either by the corporation involved or as investment in other companies.

Keeping the price of this oil at some level below market prices, as a stabilizer.

Keeping the oil at home.

By News You Can Use

May 30, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this

Ms. Pelosi, the California Democrat and House minority leader, lends herself to easy caricature by Republicans. She is an unapologetic liberal, with a voting record to match (the Republican National Committee chairman, Ken Mehlman, said she was neither a “New Democrat” nor an “Old Democrat” but a “prehistoric Democrat”). She is wealthy (married to an investment banker, she has assets listed at more than $16 million). She represents San Francisco, which Republicans love to invoke as a hotbed of counterculture decadence and extremism.

“Is America ready for Nancy Pelosi’s Contract With San Francisco?” asked Representative Ric Keller, Republican of Florida, posing a question that, one imagines, could form the basis of many Republican advertisements this fall.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

May 30, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

Oh MY GOSH Say it ain”t so!

By N-GA

May 30, 2006 08:23 AM | Link to this

Based upon the 8:08 post, all wealthy government officials should immediately resign. Also, any politician representing San Francisco is suspect as it is a “a hotbed of counterculture decadence and extremism.”.

This is spin, pure and simple. Attack a person’s voting record, attack their corruption, but don’t attack things that are completely irrelevent. I suspect you would not attack a neo-con Republican who represented San Francisco or was very wealthy.

By N-GA

May 30, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this

Try to remember, Andy…..it’s not the quantity if the stuff you cut and paste, it’s the QUALITY!!!

When you post reams of text, people ignore the relevent stuff because they have to wade through the “spin” to find it. It’s just not worth the effort.

By This Isn't That Hard To Understand

May 30, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this

“Is America ready for Nancy Pelosi’s Contract With San Francisco?” asked Representative Ric Keller, Republican of Florida, posing a question that, one imagines, could form the basis of many Republican advertisements this fall.

Contract With San Francisco means that all of America would have gay marriage shoved down it’s throat, they would boycott the military, regulate all new construction until it jacked the price of a one bedroom condo to a million dollars and all the other myriad weird things they do in California.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

May 30, 2006 08:40 AM | Link to this

Federal authorities are actively investigating dozens of American television stations for broadcasting items produced by the Bush administration and major corporations, and passing them off as normal news. Some of the fake news segments talked up success in the war in Iraq, or promoted the companies’ products. One more reason to distrust “the media”, as if anyone hanging at this blog needed one. :-)

By Cindy

May 30, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

Great toon Mike! You are a genius!

By N-GA

May 30, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this

We’re all still reeling from the con’s “Contract with America” We should sue for breach of contract!!!

By lol

May 30, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

Does anyone actually read any of Andy’s cut and paste cr@p, I mean anyone? LMAO!!! Scroll down my friends, scroll down.

By seeker

May 30, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

Recent events indicate that the Democrats are living, ethics-wise, in a glass house and that their initial glee at the indictments of Republicans such as Rep. Thomas DeLay and Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham may have been misplaced.

Hilarious! Democratic Rep. Jefferson’s at worst clumsy at bush league payoffs. Harry Reid’s boxing tickets are justifiable. Cunningham’s and Abramoff’s ripoffs are gargantuan. This is like the defendants in a fatal hit and run complaining that the prosecutor once got a speeding ticket.

For the left, catastrophic global warming isn’t an inconvenient truth but a Noble Lie—a fiction that can be used to propel the world towards a statist utopia…

A classic Repuke tactic. When in doubt, stereotype, generalize, demonize… then shoot the messenger

Keeping the price of this oil at some level below market prices, as a stabilizer.

How anti-free market can you get? Panderers. Hypocrites.

What worthless GOP propaganda. The emperor has no clothes.

By seeker

May 30, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

Hater’s posts are stupid, but he’s missed some doozies. From the “shoot the messenger” file:

Last week, Sterling Burnett – a senior fellow at the Exxon-backed National Center for Policy Analysis – compared Al Gore to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels.

In this weekend’s Washington Post magazine, meteorologist Bill Gray – one of the most prominent climate skeptics – directly compared Al Gore to Adolf Hitler…

Comparing Al Gore to the father of the Holocaust. One’s trying to save life as we know it. The other strove to destroy it.

The work of short sighted, pandering… whats the word? Oh yes, hypocrites.

Work on your game, Hater. You’re avoiding the core values of your “party”.

By Funny Libs

May 30, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

By lol May 30, 2006 09:12 AM Does anyone actually read any of Andy’s cut and paste cr@p, I mean anyone?

By News You Can Use (That’s Me) May 30, 2006 08:05 AM Recent events indicate that the Democrats are living, ethics-wise, in a glass house and that their initial glee at the indictments of Republicans such as Rep. Thomas DeLay and Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham may have been misplaced.

By seeker May 30, 2006 09:26 AM Recent events indicate that the Democrats are living, ethics-wise, in a glass house and that their initial glee at the indictments of Republicans such as Rep. Thomas DeLay and Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham may have been misplaced.

LOL indeed.

By seeker

May 30, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

Arming themselves with distractions like gay marriage (which theatens no one)and flag burning (likewise), Repukes deflect attention for their ignorance of REAL problems.

Immigration? Fences! Deport all illegals! Yeah, while you’re at it, change the course of hurricanes.

Energy? ANWR! $100 gas rebates! Oh, and make nice with the Saudi terrorists. Pointless.

And then there’s Iraq. US has shown that a pointless, badly executed invasion to unseat a despot can make a bad situation worse:

Every morning the streets of Baghdad are littered with dozens of bodies, bruised, torn, mutilated, executed only because they are Sunni or because they are Shiite. Power drills are an especially popular torture device.

Under the reign of Saddam Hussein, dissidents called Iraq “the republic of fear” and hoped it would end when Hussein was toppled. But the war, it turns out, has spread the fear democratically. Now the terror is not merely from the regime, or from U.S. troops, but from everybody, everywhere.

Now in Baghdad, you can go days without seeing American soldiers. Instead, it feels as if Iraqis are occupying Iraq, their masked militiamen blasting through traffic in anonymous security vehicles, shooting into the air, angrily shouting orders on loudspeakers, pointing their Kalashnikovs at passersby.

Today, the Americans are just one more militia lost in the anarchy.

By AntiRadical

May 30, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

Funny how no one has mentioned the best thing to happen for American vets this Memorial Day, the “Respect for America’s Fallen Heros” act. GWB signed this one into law yesterday and it’s about time. When Congress finally does manage to act in a nonpartisan manner these days some good can emerge.

This bill was in response, of course, to the actions of Westboro Baptist of Topeka Church who picketed the funerals of servicemen claiming that the deaths symbolized God’s anger at America’s tolerance of homosexuals. Their slogans were “Thank God for Dead Soldiers” and “God Hates F*ags” for those who might have missed it. Rev. Fred Phelps (organizer) said that the law violated his 1st ammendment rights but that he would abide by its’ restrictions.

Shutting this pond scum down has got to be the single greatest act of GWB’s presidency. Hail to the chief. Westboro Baptist has done more to promote the acceptance of the gay lifestyle than any group in history in my opinion. Any enemy of Westboro Baptist is a friend of mine!

By Oh Yeah?

May 30, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

Seekling’s posts are stupid, but he’s missed some doozies. From the “shoot the messenger” file:

Dick Durbin, Democrat, Illinois, on Al Jazeera!= A US senator has refused to apologise for comparing the actions of US soldiers at Guantanamo Bay to those of Nazis, while others have decried or defended the mandate and method used to hold prisoners there.

I think you got me beat!

Work on your game, seekling. You’re avoiding the core values of your “party”.

By getalife

May 30, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

Andy does have resolve. LOL.

W does too, and he was looking rough this morning. Looked like he tied one on this Memorial Day weekend.

Of course, with all the blood and failures he is responsible for, how else can he deal with it?

By @@

May 30, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

My only post of the day. It would appear that there are those here who want to hang on to their hatred of an individual who appears to be taking a different, more subdued approach. Isn’t that what everyone wanted?

Seeker: Please don’t determine for me, what is worthy of reading. I’d appreciate you allowing me the privelege to determine that for myself. I read yours. I’m assuming that is what you want me to do or you wouldn’t post them.

I’ll catch up on what everybody has to say here when I get home.

By N-GA

May 30, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

Well, Bush has a new (3rd) Treasury Secretary. Let’s see what his first one, Paul O’Neill had to say:

“At cabinet meetings, he says the president was “like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people.”“.

“From the very beginning, there was a conviction, that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go,” says O’Neill, who adds that going after Saddam was topic “A” 10 days after the inauguration - eight months before Sept. 11.

“From the very first instance, it was about Iraq. It was about what we can do to change this regime,” says Suskind. “Day one, these things were laid and sealed.”

As treasury secretary, O’Neill was a permanent member of the National Security Council. He says in the book he was surprised at the meeting that questions such as “Why Saddam?” and “Why now?” were never asked.

“It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this,’” says O’Neill. “For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap.”

And that came up at this first meeting, says O’Neill, who adds that the discussion of Iraq continued at the next National Security Council meeting two days later.

He got briefing materials under this cover sheet. “There are memos. One of them marked, secret, says, ‘Plan for post-Saddam Iraq,’” adds Suskind, who says that they discussed an occupation of Iraq in January and February of 2001. Based on his interviews with O’Neill and several other officials at the meetings, Suskind writes that the planning envisioned peacekeeping troops, war crimes tribunals, and even divvying up Iraq’s oil wealth.

He obtained one Pentagon document, dated March 5, 2001, and entitled “Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield contracts,” which includes a map of potential areas for exploration.

Mr. O’Neill also served under Presidents Nixon and Ford. He was vetted by this administration and nominated as the best man for the job…until he ran afoul of the neo-cons.

By @@

May 30, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

Well make this my second post. My 10:02 should have been addressed to N-GA and lol as well as Seeker.

Please let me determine what is worthy of reading here.

By finch

May 30, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

N-GA,

What used to be the “Contract With America” is now the “Contract On America”.

Yeah, old joke. But so true.

By A Big Business We Like!

May 30, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

Trial Lawyers, Inc., kicks the poor and minorities in the teeth. Thanks to liability-insurance costs, Methodist Hospital in low-income South Philadelphia stopped delivering babies in 2002. Facing a $2 million malpractice premium, Manhattan’s Elizabeth Seton Childbearing Center closed in 2003 — bad news for the 30 percent of its patients on Medicaid.

Among thirteen hospitals in Palm Beach County, Florida, five have no emergency-room neurologists. Some seizure patients and accident victims have had to travel more than 100 miles to Gainesville and Tampa for treatment. Barbara Masterson, 53, suffered a stroke in 2004. Lawsuit-weary local neurologists refused to see her. While hospital personnel scrambled for a neurosurgeon, Masterson died.

Kerry-Edwards & Co. Trial Lawyers, Inc. run for president.

By candide

May 30, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

When Democrats and Republicans both get their high officials from Goldman, Sachs and no one complains about those Jewish bankers on Wall Street, I conclude that real anti-semitism is dead in American. Good!

I still am sick of Wall Street bankers running things, even the WASP ones.

By candide

May 30, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

The cartoonists, including Mike, have go it all wrong. Bush is not ugly because of his big ears. It is because he has his mother’s hooked nose. Take another look.

By N-GA

May 30, 2006 10:23 AM | Link to this

Hello @@,

As usual you seem determined to create animosity and conflict where none exists. In your 10:02 post you said: “It would appear that there are those here who want to hang on to their hatred of an individual who appears to be taking a different, more subdued approach.”

Then in your second post you said: “Well make this my second post. My 10:02 should have been addressed to N-GA and lol as well as Seeker.”

At no time this morning have I displayed any hatred toward anyone, nor have I told you what to read and what not to read.

Shame on you!!!

By Liberal Texas Democrat

May 30, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this

By candide May 30, 2006 10:17 AM | The cartoonists, including Mike, have go it all wrong. Bush is not ugly because of his big ears. It is because he has his mother’s hooked nose. Take another look.”

An acquaintance suggests that GW’s features and appearance are indicative of fetal alcohol syndrome. Not being an expert, I wouldn’t know.

By @@

May 30, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

By N-GA

May 30, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this

Try to remember, Andy…..it’s not the quantity if the stuff you cut and paste, it’s the QUALITY!!!

When you post reams of text, people (I am one) ignore the relevent stuff because they have to wade through the “spin” to find it. It’s just not worth the effort. (It is to me.)

Shame on you! I have never been determined to create animosity and conflict. Just the opposite.

LTD:

I’ve had students with FAS. Bush has none of the facial characteristics attributable to the syndrome.

By @@

May 30, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

You’re right N-GA, there was no hatred coming from you. Accept my apologies.

I’m out the door.

By Excellent Idea

May 30, 2006 10:59 AM | Link to this

We cannot, therefore, stay home in November or become demoralized and walk away from political activism. In fact, we must redouble our activism or certainly see an overwhelming and irreversible change for the worse befall the country. But we cannot continue to offer blanket support to the Republican Party as a whole.

It is thus time to begin withholding donations from the general party apparatus. When you donate to the National Republican Senatorial Committee, for example, you are donating to help re-elect both Jeff Sessions and Lincoln Chaffee and you are giving a vote of confidence to the current leadership of the Party—wherein lies much of the pro-amnesty minority. A less self-contradictory approach would be to donate directly to the campaigns of pro-enforcement politicians, or donate to political action committees, such as Tom Tancredo’s Team America PAC, that reward only those candidates that wish to secure our nation’s borders and visa systems.

By AntiRadical

May 30, 2006 11:04 AM | Link to this

If you want to see a real reduction in medical costs, we must employ the law of supply and demand. There are thousands of 4.0 undergraduates who are turned away from med school every year. This is because the number of available openings is held artificially low as regards market demand.

Canada was wise in the manner that they addressed the cost of medical care. They built med schools hand over fist and instituted a voluntary socialized delivery system. You can still hang your shingle out in Canada and practice if you don’t want to be a part of that system and if you are able to find patients who are still willing to pay you bloated fees when they can acquire equivalent care at a fair market price through the socialized system. If your care is better than the socialized care, the masses will still beat a path to your door and pay the cost difference to acquire your superior services (free market). Canada now has higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality rates than can be found in the USA.

Recent Harvard studies have proven that malpractice awards make up a very small percentage of health care dollars spent. The notion that frivilous law suits have driven up health costs is quite simply inaccurate. The primary reason for high health care costs is the absence of free market principles resulting from many years of political payola and pandering.

By finch

May 30, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

@@,

I detect an inconsistency. You defend the neocon whose name du jour today is “News You Can Use” for his lengthy scattershot posts and links, then critize lefty seeker for doing the same thing.

At least seeker only uses one name. I think.

I think they should both get their own blogs and spare us the tedium. Or at least they could make their posts shorter and more focused.

By Earl

May 30, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

Here we go now. This should keep more Republican appointees in executive government jobs OUT of the slammer!

Breaking News: (AP) The Supreme Court on Tuesday made it harder for government employees to file lawsuits claiming they were retaliated against for going public with allegations of official misconduct.

By a 5-4 vote, justices said the nation’s 20 million public employees do not have carte blanche free speech rights to disclose government’s inner-workings. New Justice Samuel Alito cast the tie-breaking vote.

Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, writing for the court’s majority, said the First Amendment does not protect “every statement a public employee makes in the course of doing his or her job.”

The decision came after the case was argued twice this term, once before Justice Sandra Day O’Connor retired in January, and again after her successor, Alito, joined the bench.

By kratz

May 30, 2006 11:15 AM | Link to this

Yes, I do like this cartoon. My comment, though, is a question that may be a little off topic — I teach at Emory U in Atlanta and we want to invite Mike Lukovich to give a talk, but I cannot find contact information to extend the invitation. Please let me know how to reach you about this. Thanks

By Kleenex Anyone?

May 30, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

By finch May 30, 2006 11:07 AM I think they should both get their own blogs and spare us the tedium. Or at least they could make their posts shorter and more focused.

Is it too hard to keep up? Should we stick to simple phrases like “See Jane run?”

By finch

May 30, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

By Kleenex Anyone? May 30, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

Is it too hard to keep up? Should we stick to simple phrases like “See Jane run?”

Why read a page of drivel when 3 sentences will do? Are you trying to bore us to death?

By Arc

May 30, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

Rulings such as those only illustrate how far gone things are. Government employees should be obligated to report misconduct.

By Real Conservatives Aren't Republican

May 30, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

Consumer confidence falls in May

Tuesday’s report is disappointing for retailers, which have seen sales slow in May amid cooler temperatures. Economists closely monitor consumer confidence because consumer spending accounts for two thirds of all U.S. economic activity.

While shoppers have remained resilient in the face of higher gasoline prices, which have been hovering around $3 per gallon, Tuesday’s report may confirm analysts’ fears that consumers have reached a tipping point.

Add in the falling housing sector ( the grand poo-bah of all economic indicators) and it looks like the very last in the Republican’s flimsy house of cards is poised to fall. Republicans lost the big government issue with their $10 trillion deficits, they lost the security issue with the ports and immigration flaps, now they are poised to fail on the economy as well.

The 2008 presidential election looks to be a shoe-in for the Democrats as Republican supply-side economics repeats its’ failures of the Reagan/Bush Sr years. It is questionable if even the Democrats can bring any ‘semblence of fiscal responsibility back to our government after 8 years of Republican rule (but we will do our best).

By N-GA

May 30, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

Part of the problem is the sheer volume of irrelevent posts. Another part of the problem is the fact that most of it is simple propaganda (reference the San Francisco and millionaire asides about Nancy Pelosi). It is better to debate facts rather than emotions or platitudes (IMHO). Comments like “the left wing media” no longer have any weight since Murdock’s media empire and Clearchannel Communications have come to dominate so many markets (along with the WSJ). The last part of the problem is that the primary poster avoids debate. For the most part he only posts (drivel), never really listens/reads.

Pelosi is an easy target simply because some of her stated positions are so extreme as to be viewed as ludicrous, by some. So is Ted Kennedy….old news….as is Cunningham and many others.

Most of the debate on this blog should be about THIS administration and, possibly, the politicians vying in upcoming elections. Be that as it may, people will comment however they choose on whatever topic they feel is important. Others will read what they choose….

By Arc

May 30, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

Any economy that relies on the service sector, wage earners spending every dime they have, and housing at the same time that the middle class is being systematically eliminated is a recession waiting to happen. Combine that with rising energy costs that further sap disposable income and you have disaster in the making. And it amazes me that it Americans this long to see through the smoke and mirrors.

By Practice What We Preach?

May 30, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

By finch May 30, 2006 11:30 AM Why read a page of drivel when 3 sentences will do? Are you trying to bore us to death?

Blah, blah, blah, some people can bore us to death with one word:

By finch

May 26, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this

Here’s an example of the tolerance and understanding the US is bringing to US:

Attorneys for co-defendants Terry Tyrone Davis II, 20, of Riverdale; Xavious Cordera Taylor, 18, of College Park; and Deontrez Soyo Williams, 23, of Fayetteville chose to not put up a defense after the prosecution rested Wednesday. The attorney for Christopher Allen Emmanuel, 20, already serving a 10-year sentence in an unrelated aggravated assault case from Rockdale County, called four witnesses. Clayton County police and state prosecutors allege the four were rival gang members engaged in a gunbattle inside a Riverdale park. Defense attorneys say the four were rap musicians who went to the park because two other guys were supposed to fistfight over a girl. State firearms expert Bernadette Davy examined shell cartridges recovered from the park and determined at least nine weapons were fired that day. Travon Wilson, 4, was hit once in the chest but because the bullet that killed him was never found, prosecutors can’t identify the gun that fired it and link it to a particular suspect.

But thanks to Shirley Franklin, there is no neighborly bickering in Atlanta!! Harhar.

By Daniel

May 30, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

Haditha is the predictable result of a failed war. American troops are frustrated by an invisible enemy. It will always be so. It will never be better. Things are going to get much, much worse. The American people have been betrayed by a deceitful, corrupt government. The leadership is unworthy of the sacrifices of out troops.

By N-GA

May 30, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

Because of the decision by the courts, government employees wanting to report wrongdoings will not feel that they are protected by the law. What about the 2 marines who were called upon to report the killing of Iraqi civilians? I guess they will be crucified for telling the truth…Some people in our society think that wrongful acts should be covered up. That attitude failed 30+ years ago and I hope it fails again.

By getalife

May 30, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

Methinks you will need something bigger than klennex to clean up the mess

By 4500 SQ FT Flimsy House Of Cards

May 30, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

By Real Conservatives Aren’t Republican May 30, 2006 11:44 AM Add in the falling housing sector ( the grand poo-bah of all economic indicators) and it looks like the very last in the Republican’s flimsy house of cards is poised to fall.

Washington Post- Sales of New Homes Rose Unexpected 4.9% in April

I know “Real Conservatives Aren’t Republican” damn sure didn’t expect it.

By In The Perfect Little Pinko Fantasy World:

May 30, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

By N-GA May 30, 2006 11:52 AM Most of the debate on this blog should be about THIS administration and, possibly, the politicians vying in upcoming elections. Be that as it may, people will comment however they choose on whatever topic they feel is important. Others will read what they choose….

Translation: Nancy Pelosi is a great big thorn in our side, could we please not talk about her?

By gadem

May 30, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

I saw V for Vendetta the first time yesterday, and it made me think about how that movie was written and directed in direct response to the Bush Administration.

By Party Time!

May 30, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this

Did you hear the good news? Our troops may have killed some innocent civilians! Let’s get our groove on! It’s time to kick some Republican A-ss, it ain’t like those troops were Americans and no innocents have ever been murdered in the city of Atlanta or anything.

By Real Conservatives Aren't Republican

May 30, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

Washington Post- Sales of New Homes Rose Unexpected 4.9% in April

Sell offs in a falling market and we all know it except the blind and partisan. Let’s wait and see what prosperity looks like in 2008. If it is good, vote Republican, if not vote Democrat, fair enough?

By gadem

May 30, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

clarification on post. The movie makes you think about how this current administration uses fear to accomplish an agenda. Kind of like when Clinton was in office, and Wag the Dog came out….life imitates Art.

By Real Conservatives Aren't Republican

May 30, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this

National Association of Home Builders- MONTHLY HOUSING STARTS (2003 - CURRENT)

For all those who aren’t familiar with Andy’s disconnect with reality, housing starts are the economic indicator to look at, not sales which will show increases in sales periods leading up to a falling market due to builders/developers rushing current projects through and unloading properties while they can still make a profit on them.

03/06= 1,960

02/06= 2,126

01/06 (normal make-up from low holiday sales)= 2,307

12/05(normal X-Mas Season drop)= 1,989

11/05= 2,136

and so it goes. The Republicans want to hide the failures of their economic strategies but the public knows when prosperity is falling. You can fool some of the people all of the time and you can fool all of the people part of the time but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.

By Daniel

May 30, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this

No, stupid, it’s not time to party. Plus, we’re on to you “Name-Jacking” in your crude infantile way. There’s the christian! A 77 year old man in a wheelchair was gunned down along with five children between the ages of 3 and 10. This was done in your name, by you and your God. Perhaps, if you could send just another phony Bush Photo-Op; everything would be A-OK. Have you brought democracy to those five children and their families? Are they liberated now?

By CJ

May 30, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

Oh, I get it: only Republicans are jailbait, not Democrats and espcaiily not a black Democratic congressman who is seen on tape accepting a $100,000 bribe in cash. Luckovich is a partisan, effete, elitist, liberal jerk.

By Chet

May 30, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this

BD: See where you went on a wild ride Friday with a list of people that obviously bother you. You say not, but it is so. You state they are filled w “anger.” Not true. You, like many goons on this blog know nothing in your life BUT anger and hatred. Your list of people show you not anger, but profound disgust and contempt for what you are, what you do and say. Of all the repub freaks herein, you are the worst. The epitome of “the ugly American.” You use words of which you know not the meaning. Pretend to have knowledge re that of which you are ignorant. Of all the mouths here, yours is the foulest. Potty talk. Like a child, using terms of bodily functions, odors, etc. Things no one uses in polite society. You are exceptionally uneducated, crude, crass, vulgar, boorish, lowbrow. One can picture you w your fat, filthy, pudgy fingers gropping your cough and food encrusted computer, wildly spewing out mindless comments and would-be insults. So no, those bright folks are not filled w ANGER towards you - they just diagnose you for what you are and pass it on. You are just too stupid to recognize the difference. Don’t bother - I only drop by hete once a month and rarely read your inanities. You’re just blessed that I noted your latest.

By USA Today Says:

May 30, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

Home sales last month hit a seasonally adjusted pace 6.91 million, about the same rate as February 2005. They were torrid in the Northeast, rising about 19% over January’s sales. In the Midwest, sales jumped 11%, followed by the West with a 5% increase. Only the South saw sales decline, dropping almost 3%.

“It was a little bit of a surprise, a little stronger than expected,” said Nick Buss, senior vice president of real estate finance for PNC Bank. “I thought they would be flat to slightly down, continuing the trend.” He expects the market to drop 10% this year.

Nationwide, the median home price — half cost more, half less — was $209,000, down from $210,000 in January, but still up almost 11% from February last year. Median home prices peaked last year’ at $220,000 in August.

By GladSheIsDead

May 30, 2006 01:06 PM | Link to this

Mike should do a cartoon about the four cowardly pieces of garbage who tried robbing the Marine in Midtown. Mikey could do a cartoon of the pregnant little skank who got killed in the process. Now THAT is funny!

Of course, Mikey would be mare likely to do a cartoon blaming the Marine, but that is a different story.

By Party Time!

May 30, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

So who’s name was this done in, Daniel?:

Four people were killed and three more were injured, including Bartlett’s son, Clifford Marcus Bartlett, who was stabbed 12 times. Most of the victims were teenagers.

Forsyth County Sheriff’s detectives have charged Frank A. Ortegon Jr., 23, Jason Samuel McGhee, 26, and Marcin Waldemar Sosniak, 21, all of Cumming, with three counts of murder and four counts of aggravated assault. They are awaiting indictment. Though authorities have not released a motive for the attacks, some of the victims say the spree might have been triggered by a dispute over stolen marijuana.

Were they fighting evil, giving freedom in Cumming?

By Two Faced Liberal

May 30, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

Just a reminder for you gay, lesbian and transgendered out there, we welcome you into the democratic party with open, loving arms. We are the party of diversity! We are the party of inclusion! We are the party that does not discriminate! If you don’t believe me just ask us and we’ll tell you how great we are.

You will find the democratic party to be a very warm and welcoming place that will assist you in all your life’s needs. Don’t be afraid to ask for the moon, remember, you don’t have to pay for it, we’ll stick it to the working class for you.

We’ll make nice inspirational movies for you like BrokeDick Mountain, we’ll pass laws so that you can get married and then we’ll stick you in housing projects like we did the Negro. We’ll come around and pander to you every October. Just remember to hit that big D column on the ballot in November! We can’t do all these special things for you with a Republican majority in Congress!

Whatever you do, don’t vote for those f-aggot Republicans, they’re a bunch of homos. Those guys are nothing but a bunch of rectum rangers that will ignore your special needs, while they look after their rich butt buddies.

Had enough?

By Dusty

May 30, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

Chet,

Please don’t bless us with any more of your inanities. Once a month is more than enough.

Buy Danish is one of our most articulate and intelligent bloggers. If you disagree with her, just tell us what ideas you don’t like, and not with gutter language. That just shows where you are. Nobody else.

By candide

May 30, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

What’s so great about being conservative? These people judge everything by what’s conservative. Could be another word for arrested development, stupid, mired in traditional ignorance and filth; religious fanatic; irrational; fascistic; etc.

By Dizty

May 30, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this

Chet, please go to your room and say the Pledge of Allegiance.

By Ted

May 30, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

Good for Mister Autry in Atlanta.

Is it REALLY true?? Is our Dusty actually a female?? Please do tell.

By Auto.Responder

May 30, 2006 01:45 PM | Link to this

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Please be informed that Buy Danish is very smart. Her father went to Harvard.

This message will automatically post daily. To have your automatic response posted to your favorite blog go to www.auto.reponder.com

By getalife

May 30, 2006 01:55 PM | Link to this

Democracy in the middle east is not working.

By Arc

May 30, 2006 02:08 PM | Link to this

In the case of Buy Danish and her father, genious is definately not hereditary.

By Daniel

May 30, 2006 02:11 PM | Link to this

gal: Democracy was, of course the third reason given for the invasion. That is after the first two failed miserably. There is no record in history of democracy having been forced upon a people at the end of a gun barrel. Haditha lays bare the failure. Our guys are frustrated by a failed war. Haditha explains why Douglas MacArthur warned against a land war in Asia. The enemy disappears into the population. We wind up killing kids, grandfathers and women in night clothes.

By finch

May 30, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

getalife, your Financial Times link is a wakeup for the GOP ‘stay the course’ crowd:

“Neo-conservative commentators at the American Enterprise Institute wrote last week what amounted to an obituary of the Bush freedom doctrine.”

“Bush killed his own doctrine,” they said, describing the final blow as the resumption of diplomatic relations with Libya.

Rational people had this figured out years ago. It’s broke. Fix it.

By Just Wondering

May 30, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

If Buy Danish is a dud or a half wit like you pinkos would have us believe, how come she has all you libs muttering to yourselves and babbling about her while she’s gone?

Seems like she’s got you figured out.

By Party Time!

May 30, 2006 02:26 PM | Link to this

By Daniel May 30, 2006 02:11 PM gal: Democracy was, of course the third reason. There is no record in history of democracy having been forced upon a people at the end of a gun barrel. Fayette County lays bare the failure. Our citizens are frustrated by a failed society. Fayette explains why Conservatives warned against a liberal frre for all in America. The enemy disappears into the population. We wind up killing kids, grandfathers and women in night clothes.

The grandparents confronted Harvey, who had one knife, as Ketchum, armed with another knife, waited under the bed.

“At some point in time during that confrontation, Holly stabbed her grandmother in the back,” Jordan said, adding that the grandparents were then able to pin Harvey down on her bed. Harvey began to holler for help, saying, “Why aren’t you helping me?”

Harvey followed her grandfather and the two struggled on the top of the stairs. The fight made its way into the kitchen, when Carl Collier died of multiple stab wounds. During her struggle with Ketchum, Sarah Collier made it out of the bedroom and into a hallway, where her body was found. She had been stabbed at least 15 times, investigators said.

It’s good that Danny has found his calling in life, party on!

By getalife

May 30, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

It is painfully obvious that democracy shoved down the throats of the people in the middle east is making their hatred fester.

Afganistan riots tell the story of the future.

By Daniel

May 30, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

finch: Great post, thanks.

By Liberalism At Work

May 30, 2006 02:42 PM | Link to this

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch pedophiles are launching a political party to push for a cut in the legal age for sexual relations to 12 from 16 and the legalization of child pornography and sex with animals.

The Charity, Freedom and Diversity (NVD) party said on its Web site it would be officially registered Wednesday, proclaiming: “We are going to shake The Hague awake!”

The party said it wanted to cut the legal age for sexual relations to 12 and eventually scrap the limit altogether.

“A ban just makes children curious,” Ad van den Berg, one of the party’s founders, told the Algemeen Dagblad (AD) newspaper.

Be Proud!

By seeker

May 30, 2006 02:55 PM | Link to this

No need for a pedophile political party in the US.

The GOP already exists.

By finch

May 30, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

Why anyone claims the US is “making progress” in Iraq escapes me:

“BAGHDAD, Iraq May 30, 2006 (AP)— Car bombs and mortar attacks killed at least 49 people Tuesday across Iraq as the government struggled with deteriorating security.”

This is what happens when everybody has weapons, and nobody’s in charge:

“The headlong, American-backed effort to arm tens of thousands of Iraqi soldiers and officers, coupled with a failure to curb a nearly equal number of militia gunmen, has created a galaxy of armed groups, each with its own loyalty and agenda, which are accelerating the country’s slide into chaos.”

Finding and dealing with Osama and his acolytes would have been so much easier.

By At Least Until The Election

May 30, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

Howard Dean: Democrats Need Religious Voters

By Ethics Class:

May 30, 2006 03:15 PM | Link to this

Improper:

Several ethics experts said Reid should have paid for the tickets, which were close to the ring and worth between several hundred and several thousand dollars each, to avoid the appearance he was being influenced by gifts.

Two senators who joined Reid for fights with the complimentary tickets took markedly differently steps.

Proper:

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., insisted on paying $1,400 for the tickets he shared with Reid for a 2004 championship fight. Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., accepted free tickets to another fight with Reid but already had recused himself from Reid’s federal boxing legislation because his father was an executive for a Las Vegas hotel that hosts fights.

By Statistics Say:

May 30, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

Iraq Less Violent than Washington, D.C.

Despite media coverage purporting to show that escalating violence in Iraq has the country spiraling out of control, civilian death statistics complied by Rep. Steve King, R-IA, indicate that Iraq actually has a lower civilian violent death rate than Washington, D.C.

You can believe the hysteretics or you can believe the facts.

By Conservatives Molest America's Children

May 30, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

“By Liberalism At Work May 30, 2006 02:42 PM | AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch pedophiles are launching a political party to push for a cut in the legal age for sexual relations to 12 from 16 and the legalization of child pornography and sex with animals. The Charity, Freedom and Diversity (NVD) party said on its Web site it would be officially registered Wednesday, proclaiming: “We are going to shake The Hague awake!” The party said it wanted to cut the legal age for sexual relations to 12 and eventually scrap the limit altogether.”

Then I guess we can expect all these Republicans to be moving to The Netherlands * Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

• Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

• Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

• Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

• Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

• Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

• Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

• Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

• Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

• Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

• Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

• Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

• Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

• Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

• Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

• Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

• Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

• Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

• Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

• Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

• Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

• Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

• Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

• Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

• Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

• Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

• Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

• Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

• Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

• Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

• Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

• Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

• Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

• Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

• Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

• Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

• Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

• Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

• Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

• Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

• Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

• Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a “good military man” and “church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

• Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

• Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

• Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

By Dusty

May 30, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

Hmm..looks like the afternoon of the afflicted is now in full session. Aint it just AWFUL!!

THE SKY IS FALLING. again & again & again.

Good thing, I guess. Otherwise poor liberals like Getalife,Daniel,Gadem, Chet, Candide and Seeker the Squeaker would have nothing to talk about. Not one thing!!

We, the Conservatives will keep running the country so you boys can keep posting. In the meantime, try to stay busy and out of trouble.

By getalife

May 30, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

I know Dusty, reality sux.

Try it sometime.

By Dusty

May 30, 2006 03:46 PM | Link to this

Well, it looks like the DNC is posting long boring screeds this afternoon. Don’t you boys have anything else to do?

How about a Democratic “plank” full of ideas? Some good support for the troops? Some complimentary statements about our great country? You know. Nice stuff.

Come on now. Try it. You’ll like it.

By rushncap

May 30, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

Enjoy running this country while it lasts, Dusty. It won’t for long. Either you’ll stop running this country soon, or there won’t be much of a country left to run soon. Either way, this “noble experiment” will soon end in failure, I just hope the failure will be of the first and not the second kind.

By Dusty

May 30, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

Uh oh, Getalife,

Watch out! The sky is falling!!! Again!!!

By N-GA

May 30, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

Dusty…..Please play fair. These last few posts were triggered by Andy when his post of 2:42 using the name “Liberalism at Work” clearly implied that Liberals tolerate/support pedophelia. You know this to be a classic “Andy” technique. That provoked a response from “Conservatives Molest America’s Children” that listed noted Republicans who have been accused and/or convicted of sex offenses.

While neither perspective warrants discussion on this blog (IMHO), you should at least be balanced when you chastise certain bloggers, some of whom (you mentioned) have not posted this afternoon.

By Dusty

May 30, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Ah, Rushncap, the czar,

Watch out!!! The sky is falling!! Again…

By finch

May 30, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Republicans are running out of issues to trumpet in November. The Iraq war’s a failure, and the economy’s stalled:

“May 30 (Bloomberg) — Karl Rove, President George W. Bush’s top political adviser, laid out a plan to win the 2002 congressional elections by stressing national security. For 2006, Rove is framing a strategy for Republicans to sell the U.S. economy.”

Voters need only scan their paystubs and look in their wallets to realize that the GOP’s “great economy” argument is blue smoke and mirrors:

“People either feel it in their day-to-day lives or they don’t, and no amount of repetition of abstract numbers to the contrary is going to change their perceptions,” says Bruce Bartlett, a policy analyst in the Reagan administration and author of a 2006 book critical of Bush.

From middle incomes down, there has been very little gain,'' says Robert Solow, an economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who won the 1987 Nobel Prize in economics.No wonder they feel they’re not sharing in this prosperity.”

By Father Pedro File

May 30, 2006 03:54 PM | Link to this

The catholic church is supporting the Dutch initiative.

By N-GA

May 30, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this

Well I was forced to follow that stupid link in the 2:42 post….there was no mention of the Catholic Church….just another drug-induced Limbaughism….

By Liberal Texas Democrat

May 30, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

“By Statistics Say: May 30, 2006 03:20 PM | Iraq Less Violent than Washington, D.C.

Despite media coverage purporting to show that escalating violence in Iraq has the country spiraling out of control, civilian death statistics complied by Rep. Steve King, R-IA, indicate that Iraq actually has a lower civilian violent death rate than Washington, D.C.

You can believe the hysteretics or you can believe the facts.”

I’m certain that such a flippant attitude toward the sacrifice made by 2400 plus service people will be of great comfort to their families.

By @@

May 30, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this

Finch:

Please show me where I reprimanded Seeker for his posts in my 10:02.

Seeker: I read yours. I’m assuming that is what you want me to do or you wouldn’t post them.

And you want both Andy (who changes his name because of “namejacking”) and Seeker to go elsewhere to post and then declare their links to be too lengthy and tedious.

Can I have a say in whether their links are tedious or not and just how much of my time I want to spend reading them?

Is that a right that you and everyone here could possibly see fit to grant me? Do you assume that I restrict my reading to Andy’s links. If you do, you would be sadly mistaken.

I am presently researching U.N. sanctions against Israel as N-GA suggested. I’m a little slow with my research. Is that O.K. with everybody here?

The sun and the pool are looking like a better alternative than posting anything here.

By Dusty

May 30, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

Did anybody mention your name? How do you know WHO posted WHAT? Hey, I may be Queen Elizabeth posting as Dusty. How can you be sure?

Ah, please play fair. I suppose that is the new plank for the Democratic Party. When does it start? I hadn’t noticed that it was in practice.

You better get a quick message off to Nancy Pelosi. She hasn’t heard about this “play fair” deal either.

By rushncap

May 30, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

You know, Dusty, you may well be the least intelligent person on this board. And that’s saying something.

By Dusty

May 30, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

I love you too. And don’t call me Danish like you did yesterday, all in one post. We are two different people. You probably hadn’t noticed.

I know you’re tired. Basket weaving, art history, dance dialetics, ant world studies, alphabet arrangements—oh the curriculum is SO heavy. Try and get some sleep now.

By Goldie

May 30, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

God, please save America from the neo-cons and make our futures bright again! (This I pray to you, oh Lord…)

By Gimmee Manly Woman

May 30, 2006 04:28 PM | Link to this

What’s the matter with you guys? Dusty and Danish are the only wing-nuts with the cajones to stand up to “the pack” and they’re women. They may not be bright but they’ve got balls! You go girls!

By N-GA

May 30, 2006 04:29 PM | Link to this

Well Dusty…I agree that I cannot be sure who posts what….so you should not be surprised when I label you a hypocrite for your response. Since there is no way YOU can be sure who posts here, then you shouldn’t chastise them by “name”.

And “fair play” shouldn’t be a dem/repub/lib/con -only trait. You are not being fair and balanced when you criticize posters for responding to something initiated by one of the more notorious conservative posters here. And you may not have mentioned me personally, but you chose to use the phrase “…poor liberals like…” with whom I identify.

There have been a number of issues discussed today, but it appears your only comments are attacking the poster rather than their position. Truly unenlightened and uninformed……

By Liberal "News" Sources

May 30, 2006 04:33 PM | Link to this

I got a fun game we can play, pick a name from 3:24, google it and see what comes up, oh, never mind, I did it for you:

Republican activist John Butler

From the first to the last, whackjob liberal blogs.

So if a liberals consults whackjob liberal blogs for their “news” what does that make them?

Let’s try it again:

Republican activist Parker J. Bena

All kook blogs, how did I know that?

Now let’s look at where 2:42 came from, the post that got the backers of the North American Man Boy Love Association all upset:

Reuters- Pedophiles to launch political party*

So now the gay, lesbian and transgender lobby is calling Reuters fake?

By Dusty

May 30, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

Ah Goldie, the sacrilegious,

Watch out!!! The sky is falling!!! Still!!!

By rushncap

May 30, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

Actually, Dusty, honey, curriculum’s changed a bit since the days you went to… well, I presume you’ve finished grade school. I’ve not had classes in 2 years now, after my last semester of Solid State II and GR (General Relativity). It’s pretty nice to be done with them. Though if I get motivated enough I might take something else, maybe Field Theory I.

By Liberal Family Values

May 30, 2006 04:45 PM | Link to this

ACLU defends child-molester group Asks judge to throw out lawsuit against NAMBLA for 10-year-old’s murder

By N-GA

May 30, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

It doesn’t take long for Andy to deteriorate into the con’s LCD (lowest…..). Here he is again at 4:33 tossing out inane accusations that some bloggers here are backers of NAMBLA. What never ceases to amaze me is the support he gets from the likes of Dusty, @@ and Buy Danish.

These people cannot possibly be Christian. In point of fact, telling people they are Christian is blasphemous in the extreme. If Andy’s supporters were really Christians, they would overtly distance themselves from his vitriolic drivel….by not doing so clearly shows they condone what he says and how he says it…..now all I have to do is wait while the accusations of name-jacking come pouring in…….

By N-GA

May 30, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

Where’ Osama??

Support the Troops…IMPEACH BUSH!!

By finch

May 30, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

@@,

And you want both Andy (who changes his name because of “namejacking”) and Seeker to go elsewhere to post and then declare their links to be too lengthy and tedious.

I don’t recall telling them to vanish. I did suggest brevity. I thought you were criticizing seeker’s verbosity. You say you weren’t, so I apologize.

Using a different name every post because of ‘namejacking’ is just silly. As for his posts…

It would appear that there are those here who want to hang on to their hatred of an individual who appears to be taking a different, more subdued approach.

I think his Dutch pedophile post under the pseudonym “Liberals at Work” sunk that theory.

By Major League Hypocrisy

May 30, 2006 05:07 PM | Link to this

By N-GA May 30, 2006 04:53 PM It doesn’t take long for Andy to deteriorate into the con’s LCD (lowest…..). Here he is again at 4:33 tossing out inane accusations that some bloggers here are backers of NAMBLA.

But of course all Republicans are child molesters, just like the righteous 2:55 and 3:24 posters say.

By finch

May 30, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this

Okay, so I did suggest they get their own blogs. But I’d be happy with brevity.

And can we stop the gay baiting? And I mean you, Suck.

By For The Clueless:

May 30, 2006 05:13 PM | Link to this

I think his Dutch pedophile post under the pseudonym “Liberals at Work” sunk that theory.

The truth hurts?

lib·er·al adj. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others (Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, Yaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha, Puuuuuhhhhllllleeeeze;) broad-minded.

By Dusty

May 30, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

Rushncap, sweetheart,

Be sure you take Field Theory. You’ve been in left field a long time. Might as well learn a little more about it.

By N-GA

May 30, 2006 05:26 PM | Link to this

Andy….”judge not, lest ye be judged”

TOO LATE!!!!!!

By GladSheIsDead

May 30, 2006 05:36 PM | Link to this

Three cheers for the Marine who killed the scum who tried robbing him. Too bad he couldn’t kill them all.

By Clem

May 30, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

C’mon everybody listen to the finch. Gay baiting should only be done by liberals.

finch, instead of trying to tell everyone else where to go and what to say, why don’t you just say what’s on your mind and let everybody else have the same right? If you must play blog nanny how about telling that idiot rushncap to quit trying to beat up women. Besides they would kick his little pansy a-ss anyway. ooops I hope that wasn’t gay baiting, I don’t know if I could stand being henpecked in cyberspace.

By Dusty

May 30, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this

N-GA,

I call posters by the name they post under. I don’t call them somebody else. You are attributing every post you don’t like to Andy. YOU DON’T KNOW whether it is Andy or not. I don’t know either.

Hope you are not a lawyer. You would indict everybody without even having a trial.

Present us a Democratic “Plank” instead of GUESSING names. That would help.

By Midori

May 30, 2006 06:07 PM | Link to this

I call posters by the name they post under. I don’t call them somebody else. You are attributing every post you don’t like to Andy. YOU DON’T KNOW whether it is Andy or not. I don’t know either.

yeah.

right.

uh-huh.

Seems when Andy does it (i.e., attributing that garbage to me), he has all the credibility in the world - especially in your eyes.

It must suck to be such a hypocritical POS.

By Daniel

May 30, 2006 06:20 PM | Link to this

Midori: Don’t waste your time. The AJC should send him a bill. They are saving him thousands in psychiatric bils. We’re on to him.

By finch

May 30, 2006 06:32 PM | Link to this

YOU DON’T KNOW whether it is Andy or not. I don’t know either.

Oh, please.

clem,

wah waah waah waah waaaaah. At least I do more than whine.

By @@

May 30, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

N-GA:

Nobody forced you to follow any link. It was your choice. I choose to follow all of them, but you don’t have to.

Neither you or I can, with all certainty, can possibly know who posts what here under what name. We can only speculate. No facts can be applied based on speculation. It was you who told me that, right?

If you acknowledge the obvious ^^^ reality that there are those here who strongly dislike Andy and feel compelled to compete with him and shut him up, then there is pretty supportive evidence that they would be motivated to namejack him to further their personal agenda. That’s common sense. The dualing spam episodes made that pretty clear to me. It’s the testosterone or the hatred.

I had the quiet opportunity to begin reading Andy’s links early this morning.(I liked his new name). It indicated that he knows there are those of us who enjoy them. Then……..in comes lol at 9:12 and Seeker again at 9:37 with personal attacks. But still, I saw him exercising restraint. That wasn’t enough for everybody. It deteriorated from there.

I cannot emphasize enough that it is “free speech” I support. I don’t know why so many are opposed to it. Get your feelings off of your sleeve and choose to ignore if you want.

Now I cannot possibly be a Christian? Would you like to define “Christian” for me! I don’t think that I have ever gotten into a discussion about religion here. I just don’t do that. But I’ve gotta say, I always feel slightly inadequate as a Christian when I see others here who openly profess their faith.

Even without the discussion of religion, we, Christians are attacked on a daily basis and are yoked with the label of “religious fanatics”, the “ignorant masses”, “sheeples”. I could go on and on. Believe me. I’m not offended by these attacks. None of you have anything to do with my faith. I’m accountable to only “One” and it is well with my soul.

By rushncap

May 30, 2006 06:43 PM | Link to this

Yes, Dusty, we know most of those posts are li’l andy. To quote Bernoulli “ex ungue leonem” (“we know the lion by his claw”), though in the famous case Bernoulli was referring to one of the great geniuses of all time, while we’re referring… well, to andy.

By Clem

May 30, 2006 06:48 PM | Link to this

finchie, the next time you do something other than whine, will be the first time. I am glad that you admit to being the blog nanny. That would be step one in your recovery.

By Typical Democrat

May 30, 2006 06:48 PM | Link to this

How are the Democrats ever going to gain any traction with their “culture of corruption” message if they’re unable to keep from embarrassing themselves?

Up until now, the Democrats’ problems were limited to a few rotten apples in the House. Representatives William Jefferson (D.-La.), Cynthia McKinney (D.-Ga.) and Alan Mollohan (D.-W.Va.) all had their share of problems, but none rose to the level of being a household name.

That’s about to change. With the news that Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D.-Nev.) was bought off with front-row tickets to a boxing match (see photo below) by the gaming industry, Democrats are left with no choice but to drop the issue that they made a centerpiece of their campaign to oust Republicans from controlling Congress.

Reid had separate meetings in June 2003 in his Senate offices with two Abramoff tribal clients and Edward Ayoob, a former staffer who went to work lobbying with Abramoff.

Ooooohhhh, he did the dirty deed in his Senate office. Sweet.

By Tough Guy

May 30, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this

rushncrap: Did this Bernelli dude beat on women like you do?

By finch

May 30, 2006 06:58 PM | Link to this

clem,

Don’t put words in my mouth. And please please stop whining. Post something constructive.

By Dusty

May 30, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

Ouwhee,

I don’t know why you guys are here posting. You could make a fortune reading palms, scanning crystal balls and reading tea leaves. And Rushncap could read lion claws. You can even see people when they aren’t there. Fantastic!

I tell you. The opportunities are unlimited.

While you are at it, why not give us the true blue Democratic planks for the country? By planks, I do not mean Al Gore. I mean good, constructive ideas. Yes???

By getalife

May 30, 2006 07:02 PM | Link to this

What is the deal with the wingnuts using different names?

By N-GA

May 30, 2006 07:07 PM | Link to this

@@,

I followed the link because “Andy” chose to post a lie that said that the Catholic Church supported the Dutch party that wants to change the age for legal sex (whatever). I couldn’t let that remark stand.

Now you may say that I don’t know that it is really Andy posting…but we know Andy’s “style”…so I feel safe identifying him…and Andy also routinely accuses me of jacking his name (which I have NEVER done), so I don’t feel the least bit guilty if I am mistaken when I do identify him.

I have tried to show restraint today, and tempered my comments no matter how difficult. Some liberals have chosen to bait Andy and he has, predictably, risen to those posts.

“Christian” should not require any definition, unless one wants to “pick and choose” their version of Christianity.

By and large, Christian profess to be tolerant, loving, generous, helpful to the needy, and reluctant to cast the first stone. The bible says clearly that Christians should not judge, lest they be judged.

Few cons here show themselves to have any of the above attributes.

By gopher

May 30, 2006 07:22 PM | Link to this

Harry Reid’s boxing tickets sure did a lot to influence him. They were from the Nevada Gaming Commission, which opposed federal regulation of boxing.

Reid voted for federal regulation.

Nope. No “Duke” Cunningham here! No Jack Abramoff! No Tom “flyspeck” DeLay! No millions of dollars! No scandal. No nothing.

Nothing except radical Republicans who will do anything to divert attention from the filth in their midst.

And Reid meeting with Native Americans who just happen to live in and do business in his state?? The horror… the horror….

At least they didnt take him golfing in Scotland.

By What A Wanker N-GA Is

May 30, 2006 07:27 PM | Link to this

By Father Pedro File May 30, 2006 03:54 PM The catholic church is supporting the Dutch initiative.

Yeah, that was me. WTF is wrong with this picture?

It figures though, coming from a tosser who says things like this The bible says clearly that Christians should not judge, lest they be judged right after he broadcasts five fat a-ss paragraphs of judgement on another person.

What a stroke.

By Clem

May 30, 2006 07:36 PM | Link to this

finchie, Who gets to decide if I am posting anything constructive? I tried having a conversation with you the other day and you proved yourself to be completely incapable, so today I decided to point out your hypocrisy and your hatred of free speech. Sorry you can’t deal with constructive criticism. How’s Fitzmas going?

By We're Serious About Corruption

May 30, 2006 07:41 PM | Link to this

Long as it’s a Republican.

By gopher May 30, 2006 07:22 PM Harry Reid’s boxing tickets sure did a lot to influence him. They were from the Nevada Gaming Commission, which opposed federal regulation of boxing. Reid voted for federal regulation. Nope. No “Duke” Cunningham here! No Jack Abramoff! No Tom “flyspeck” DeLay! No millions of dollars! No scandal. No nothing. Nothing except radical Republicans who will do anything to divert attention from the filth in their midst. And Reid meeting with Native Americans who just happen to live in and do business in his state?? The horror… the horror…. At least they didnt take him golfing in Scotland.

You’re kidding me, right?

By @@

May 30, 2006 09:15 PM | Link to this

N-GA:

Did you not just “pick & choose” your version of Christianity?

Can you not acknowledge that Christians are fallible humans first and work towards Christianity and all that it entails. I’ve always understood it to be a life process! If I’m, 45, do you deem that I should have acquired perfection at this stage of my life?

Let me get this straight. You know me, Dusty & Buy Danish to not be tolerant, loving, generous and helpful to the needy within our personal lives. You know that based on what is posted in the blogosphere? Now what was that you said about ^^^ “judging”?

Stones are cast by just about everyone in here. It doesn’t bother me, why should it bother you?

I was open-minded enough to research the facts on the U.N.’s sanctions against Israel but yet you’re not open-minded enough to acknowledge that Dusty, Danish and myself may be anything other than who you deem us to be.

For some strange reason, I went back in archives Sunday to take a close look at when you first appeared here and followed you up until recently. It was a revealing journey.

It’s a two-way street here. Why not let traffic flow without choosing where to place the barriers and determining where we should take detours.

By gopher

May 30, 2006 10:11 PM | Link to this

Bob Herbert of the New York Times has a foolproof plan to end the Iraq War. Draft the wealthy to fight it.

Pretty soon this war in Iraq will have lasted as long as our involvement in World War II, with absolutely no evidence of any sort of conclusion in sight.

Look around and ask yourself if you believe that stability or democracy in Iraq — or whatever goal you choose to assert as the reason for this war — is worth the life of your son or your daughter, or your husband or your wife, or the co-worker who rides to the office with you in the morning, or your friendly neighbor next door.

There is no shortage of weaselly politicians and misguided commentators ready to tell us that we can’t leave Iraq — we just can’t. Chaos will ensue. Maybe even a civil war. But what they really mean is that we can’t leave as long as the war can continue to be fought by other people’s children, and as long as we can continue to put this George W. Bush-inspired madness on a credit card.

Start sending the children of the well-to-do to Baghdad, and start raising taxes to pay off the many hundreds of billions that the war is costing, and watch how quickly this tragic fiasco is brought to an end.

And while we’re at it, impeach Bush, or send him to find Osama bin Ladin like he promised. No Osama? No return ticket.

By N-GA

May 31, 2006 08:13 AM | Link to this

@@,

My issue with pseudo-Christians is that they claim the moral high road (gay marriage, abortion, etc.), yet fail to follow so many of Christianity’s tenets.

I, clearly, am no such pretender. I am agnostic.

By N-GA

May 31, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

@@,

I only know what you, Dusty & Buy Danish post here. You cannot choose to be Christian in your personal lives and profess un-Christian views on the blog. Well, you can but that would be what? Hypocrisy? That seems to be a trait of many of today’s conservatives.

It is true (at least in my experience) that Christians tend to become more devout as they approach death (get older). I’ve always felt that it was convenient that Christians believe they will be “saved” for all past sins if they repent.