Mike Luckovich

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 08:02 AM | Link to this

Bring Us You Tired, Huddled Law Breakers? Tax Dodgers? School Overcrowders? Welfare Recipients? Hospital Emergency Room Closers?

Maybe Mexico could build their own statue, have a huge Western Union sign put up on the border, ooooops, they already do, my bad.

Or possibly Mexico could improve their domestic situation, stop being corrupt, enter the 21st century, so that the citizens might want to stay there? (Hahahahahahahahaha.)

Nope, cartoon boy thinks it’s better to have the bottom of the barrel, those too incompetent to make it their own country, pile on the United States and make it into the new Mexico, thanks a lot, Pinko.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this

The Senate yesterday voted to build at least 370 miles of fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border and agreed — after weeks of strained negotiations — to bar convicted felons from gaining citizenship.

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, the Massachusetts Democrat who was the only person to argue against the proposal on the floor yesterday, worried that it would cost too much. The San Diego fence, he noted, wound up being 200 percent over budget.

“The real cost ended up being $3.8 million per mile,” said Mr. Kennedy, who has been the principal backer of Boston’s “Big Dig,” a highway tunnel funded largely by the federal government that has run about $1 billion per mile.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

Even the Bush administration’s toughest critics must now concede that their case against the National Security Agency’s terrorist surveillance is unravelling. That’s inconvenient, since the opening of Gen. Michael Hayden’s CIA confirmation hearings this morning would otherwise provide a great opportunity for fireworks. But the truth is sometimes like that.

Practically speaking, the last two weeks have witnessed increasing certainty that NSA surveillance is data-mining and “pattern analysis” of phone records, not surveillance per se, at least not of domestic calls as critics have alleged. To the extent that the NSA may be listening or otherwise examining the contents of communications, administration officials are on record describing the listening as targeted to international calls and e-mails only, and only then by persons known to collaborate or suspected of collaboration with international terrorism. There is a world of difference between this and what the critics have charged.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

Halting Libya’s WMD program should be considered one of the Bush administration’s most stellar nonproliferation achievements, and a success of the administration’s policies in the Middle East. Col. Gadhafi was deeply unsettled by U.S. commitment to action after September 11, and, fearful of being deposed, made frantic telephone calls to other leaders in the region, according to several reports of a cable from the U.S. Embassy in Cairo. The interdiction in October 2003 of the Libya-bound cargo ship BBC China and discovery of centrifuge parts, which are used to enrich uranium, forced Col. Gadhafi to expedite his compliance with the United States and Great Britain.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 08:05 AM | Link to this

Real nice hero you libs got there:

“We believe that we are men, Muslim men who have the honor of defending Mecca,” bin Laden told an al Jazeera television interviewer in 1998, sneering at “the weakness, feebleness, and cowardliness of the U.S. soldier” when the Clinton administration withdrew from Somalia. Bin Laden has particular contempt for the “toughness” of the Americans who send women to war against men: “By God, Muslim women refuse to be defended by these American and Jewish prostitutes.”

It did not occur to his critics that the use of female soldiers was far more offensive to the Arab culture and code of honor. Israeli women who fought against Arab armies in the war for Israeli independence in 1948, for example, suffered extraordinary casualties because the Arabs were determined not to lose to women.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this

Speaking of Peggy Noonan: There is a God. Or, as a sophisticated Christian pointed out yesterday, there is an Evil One, and this may be proof he was an uncredited co-producer. The devil loves the common, the stale. He can’t use beauty; it undermines him. “Banality is his calling card.” I do not understand the thinking of a studio that would make, for the amusement of a nation 85% to 90% of whose people identify themselves as Christian, a major movie aimed at attacking the central tenets of that faith, and insulting as poor fools its gulled adherents. Why would Tom Hanks lend his prestige to such a film? Why would Ron Howard? They’re both already rich and relevant. A desire to seem fresh and in the middle of a big national conversation? But they don’t seem young, they seem immature and destructive. And ungracious. They’ve been given so much by their country and era, such rich rewards and adulation throughout their long careers. This was no way to say thanks. I don’t really understand why we live in an age in which we feel compelled to spoof the beliefs of the followers of the great religions. Why are we doing that? Why does Hollywood consider this progressive as opposed to primitive, like a pre-Columbian tribe attacking the tribe next door for worshiping the wrong spirits?

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this

Under the Rug?: Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.), who faces possible charges of assaulting a Capitol police officer, signed on as a co-sponsor of a House resolution praising the work of the Capitol police. McKinney officially became a co-sponsor of a bill intended to “express the gratitude and appreciation” of the House for the department’s “professionalism and dedication.” Forty other co-sponsors signed on in April when the resolution was first introduced as a way of chastising McKinney for claiming that the March 29 confrontation was racially motivated. McKinney apologized for the incident April 6. 5th item.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this

The National Security Agency’s surveillance program is news again. News reports based on anonymous sources - always a good cover for the media - fed stories this past week that the NSA demanded and got tens of millions of domestic phone call logs from Verizon, BellSouth, and AT&T in the wake of September 11, 2001.

The major media, beginning with USA Today, ran with the leaked information, apparently deeming anything that sounds negative for the Bush Administration or for major corporations as sufficiently credible on its face. Already, Verizon, BellSouth, and AT&T have denied the reports. The firms categorically deny having provided the phone logs that the news media said the companies gave NSA. Indeed, the phone companies said as well that NSA never asked for the information.

There are, of course, columnists who have the same story line ready to go each day: the headline is “Bush Administration Responsible for Disaster,” though the details change day-to-day. If, as now seems likely, the mass release of phone records is one of those really good news stories that has the minor defect of being a total fabrication, that may change some of the details in future stories about the NSA program. But it won’t keep a swarm of anti-Bush columnists from slamming the administration for having (supposedly) conducted this large-scale surveillance operation. Just as it didn’t keep self-appointed privacy watchdogs from filing suit almost immediately asking for $200 billion in damages from the companies named in the news stories.

Who has their heads up what?

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 08:09 AM | Link to this

No Rush to Impeachment By John Conyers Jr.Thursday, May 18, 2006; Page A23 As Republicans have become increasingly nervous about whether they will be able to maintain control of the House in the midterm elections, they have resorted to the straw-man strategy of identifying a parade of horrors to come if Democrats gain the majority. Among these is the assertion that I, as the new chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, would immediately begin impeachment proceedings against President Bush. I will not do that. I readily admit that I have been quite vigorous, if not relentless, in questioning the administration. The allegations I have raised are grave, serious, well known, and based on reliable media reports and the accounts of former administration officials.

Hahahahahahahahahaha.

Liberal Losers Conduct a Fool’s Hearing So it was this week as a group of stellar Congressional Democrats, led by Rep. John Conyers of Michigan, held “hearings” with each other to discuss the so-called “DOWNING STREET MEMO”. And Democrats believe this could be (again) the big break they’ve been waiting for, the magic bullet that will wrap-up the plot of the movie in which they star in their heads just in time for the commercial break and the 2006 mid-term elections.

I’m sure this joker will take his time with the impeachment hearings.

By Conservatives Swallow

May 18, 2006 08:13 AM | Link to this

That is the best cartoon this year, Mike! Great job!

I see the 30% Bush backwash supporters are still upset over their losing battle.

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

BEAUTIFUL work today, Lucko!

It’s truly a sad affair when we start scapegoating those that are less fortunate… Native American, African, Irish, Asian, etc. Some ugly American history.

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

Regime change 2006!

By SurroundedbyCrazies

May 18, 2006 08:20 AM | Link to this

Wow. Crazy Andy’s debating himself. And again,90% of it has nothing to do with the topic-the CARTOON of the day!

Please up the meds……the world will be a safer place….

By LCC

May 18, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this

Andy 8to5, All I can say is that all of us should thank our God for the freedon of speech, otherwise we would not have the pleasure of hearing all of your bull—-.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

P.S. Before these self righteous harlot liberals start waxing moral superiority, know that I and most other Conservatives have no issues whatsoever with legal immigration, following the laws of the United States of America.

By Joe Roman

May 18, 2006 08:27 AM | Link to this

Throughout American history, there is one consistent behavior. As soon as a group or individual feels at home here, they want to keep others from coming to America. The first settlers wanted to keep out the Indians. Then, they wanted to keep out the Catholics, then it was the Irish (ever see “Gangs of New York”?), then the Germans, then the Italians, then the Poles and Slavs, then the Chinese and on and on and on. The rationales and fears have always been the same as they are today with the Mexicans. Each time, they proved to be hysterical and groundless. Now, the “conservatives” want to take it one step further. They want to rebuild the Berlin Wall. Only this time its on the Mexican border. …….and we get to be the East Germans.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 08:33 AM | Link to this

SurroundedbyCrazies: If you tried something other than drive by “participation” in this board, you would find that nearly all of the topics I posted on this morning were brought up by the cartoonist or other bloggers at some time to prior to today.

I understand your concerns with having to deal with more than one subject at a time, you are after all probably a product of the overcrowded public education system, but don’t you think we should try to raise America’s intelligence level instead of lowering it down to yours?

By Brian Curtis

May 18, 2006 08:39 AM | Link to this

Powerful and well-chosen image for the cartoon. Well done, Luckovich.

Just ignore Andy, folks; he’s content to babble to himself.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 08:40 AM | Link to this

Yet now liberals are sympathetic to this new generation of similarly self-appointed CIA lawbreakers and partisans. But intelligence analysts should never undermine the policy of their elected governments, either through unlawful leaks or posing as in-the-know loud public critics privy to classified information.

Instead CIA officers should do what they were hired to do before appointing themselves partisans - especially since their record at intelligence gathering and analysis has been pretty awful for a long time.

The United States, thanks in large part to a clueless CIA, has been unable to anticipate everything from the Yom Kippur War in 1973 and the fall of the Shah in Iran in 1979 to, more recently, Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Then, of course, there was the failure in advance of September 11. In the last few years, the U.S. got wrong Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction capability, while underestimating the extent of the WMD arsenal in Moammar Gadhafi’s Libya.

So Gen. Hayden will have his hands full justifying an intelligence agency that is ever more political and ever less competent.

By JT

May 18, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

8 to 5: I’m finding inclusion for Libya, and lifting of sanctions against them an interesting topic to follow. Immediately following, it seems Hugo Chavez requested audience with Ghadafi. Wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall in the room where they met.

Ghadafi is older and wiser through experience. I’m betting Hugo didn’t get any encouragement to continue on his chosen path from Ghadafi.

By w00t

May 18, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

I usually just read through the blog here and rarely post. I do not really care for Andy and his views most of the time but I do, however, agree with him on immigration issues. Something needs to be done about the influx of illegal immigrants that bog down and drive up costs of nearly every system we have. If they want to come over, they need to go through the proper means to become a citizen here. Instead of coming here, why don’t they change their country into a land of opportunity?

*By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 08:24 AM | Link to this

P.S. Before these self righteous harlot liberals start waxing moral superiority, know that I and most other Conservatives have no issues whatsoever with legal immigration, following the laws of the United States of America.*

By steve26520

May 18, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this

The problem with illegals from Mexico is far deeper than can be imagined. Most Americans are too stupid to realize that nothing of substance will ever come out of Washington to stem the flow of lawbreakers by our currently elected officials, because both parties want them here. Republicans love the non-union cheap labor, and Democrats foam over free (courtesy of George Bush amnesty) potential party-line voters.

One solution is simple enough….national ID cards. Use the IRS, INS, military, etc. as functional arms of enrollment. It could start like this, for example:

So, after the cards, what next? What good are they now, you ask? Simple….know how most Americans swipe a card to buy gasoline, food, clothing, etc.?
Put a magnetic strip on the bck of each card for instantaneous ID verification. Want to make a bank desposit? Swipe your card first, please. Need medical care at the local clinic? I need to swipe your card, sir. Buying groceries there buddy? Please swipe your card first to activate the register. Get the picture, America? By the way, corporate America, we need to see your employment payrolls, accompanied by the magnetic records off all of your employees….just get them to swipe their cards one time only the next time they come to work. First time violations - $10,000 per worker, money going to beefing up the Border Patrol. Second time violations, suspend the business license for one year. Third time, jail time. Left wingers would be all over this idea or any other similar though, saying this is Nazi Germany all over again, a violation of individual ‘rights’. I say these bleeding heart ACLU-lovers have led us to this point with their countless frivolous lawsuits, so their opinion is irrelevant. If they refuse to get cards, or burn them to make a point, then do to them what should be done with the rest of the lawbreakers - deport them. Put all illegals caught on work crews to build rail service to the Mexican border until the train is complete so they can ride their way back home.

By Pookie

May 18, 2006 08:53 AM | Link to this

i wuz thinken dat andy is relly relly smat an no dat i red hiz wurds i agrea wit me

he iz mines heero

go andy go

By Pookie

May 18, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

i wuz thinken dat andy is relly relly smat an no dat i red hiz wurds i agrea wit me

he iz mines heero

go andy go

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

JT: The single most important initiative that Bush can bring to the Middle East right now is economic prosperity in Libya. We have to set an example there for all of the other basket cases to to want to be a part of.

Fixating on Libya’s past evil deeds is counterproductive and an exercise in futility.

We need to provide them with peaceful technology and preferred trade status. I hope we don’t drop this ball.

By Pookie

May 18, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this

steev iz carazzy he wans us two be lik dem russkies an watnot

By Angry Liberal Guy

May 18, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

Debating Andy is like debating a rock except that the rock has a glimmer of intelligence. He accuses someone of “drive by participation”. In Andy’s world, if you don’t post 8 or 9 posts in a row that are full of inane babbling then you aren’t to be taken seriously. Believe me Andy - nobody here takes you seriously. You are a joke and everyone knows it.

By Pookie

May 18, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

steev iz carazzy he wans us two be lik dem russkies an watnot

By @@

May 18, 2006 08:59 AM | Link to this

It seems President Bush’s speech got the ball rolling in both houses, which was his intention. Good things are coming out of the proposed legislation. Hopefully it will result in something constructive to address the problem.

Better than doing nothing which has been the case since 1965.

About the cartoon…..just a tad “tacky”.

By Pookie

May 18, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

uh oh andy iz no mines unheero

libya iznt inna middel aest iz en norf afrika

iz a reel shaem dat he don no no giografy

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

Steve— I say these bleeding heart ACLU-lovers have led us to this point with their countless frivolous lawsuits, so their opinion is irrelevant.

Right, that damned ACLU protecting the Bill of Rights for all Americans. How dare they!

Score another point for fascism!

By Pookie

May 18, 2006 09:02 AM | Link to this

uh oh andy iz no mines unheero

libya iznt inna middel aest iz en norf afrika

iz a reel shaem dat he don no no giografy

By Wanker Alert!!

May 18, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

I see a stupid, mindless liberal stewing in their rancid putrid hate:

By Pookie May 18, 2006 08:53 AM i wuz thinken dat andy is relly relly smat an no dat i red hiz wurds i agrea wit me

Name jacking is next up on their loser agenda.

Beware!

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

8 to 5— Fixating on Libya’s past evil deeds is counterproductive and an exercise in futility.

Why not say the same thing about Saddam Hussein?

By Pookie

May 18, 2006 09:06 AM | Link to this

cents andy liks da stuf en libya sose much don yall tink he neadz too member daat it wuz clinton dat begun de prosess ov gettin mummar ta be mor lik a reel par ov da wurld

say tanks too bill andy an youse kan be mynes heero agin

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this

Yes, it would be great if Mexico got rid of its land and corporation owners and became a “land of opportunity.” They’ve had all of the money and power consolidated in about 20 families’ hands for about 200 years or so, so it should be a piece of cake for those damn poor Mexicans with no power to just overthrow those wealthy families and get rid of them.

Sure sounds simple enough, huh?

By Wanker Alert!!

May 18, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

Goldilocks: I should have known it would be you who was unable to distinguish between past evil deeds and future ones.

Think Conservatively, you know, forgiveness of sins?

Reward good behaviour?

BTW, when did I say that Libya was part of the Middle East, loser?

By Pookie

May 18, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

JT: The single most important initiative that Bush can bring to the Middle East right now is economic prosperity in Libya.

By Pookie

May 18, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 08:54 AM | Link to this

JT: The single most important initiative that Bush can bring to the Middle East right now is economic prosperity in Libya.

By JT

May 18, 2006 09:15 AM | Link to this

8 to 5: The Libya situation is looking promising to me. I’m in agreement with your assessment.

What’s with all the personal attacks people? Wouldn’t you rather spend your time here putting forth your viewpoints. Your behavior certainly doesn’t fare well for your party, which I’m assuming is Democrat.

It would benefit you people even more if you could come up with something fresh instead of the stale arguments I’m accustomed to seeing from you here. But hey, if you ain’t got ‘em, you ain’t got ‘em.

By dg

May 18, 2006 09:18 AM | Link to this

The cartoon is relevant. Mexicans have been quietly crossing the border illegally and working in the US for the last 60 years only because it is virtually impossible for them to come here legally and work. The impotent, radical right now has a dose of Viagra to get them through to the November elections. Every time I hear some old guy scream “what part of illegal don’t you understand?” I just have to chuckle because they are so easy to con.

The Republicans are sucking wind and need a hot button issue to rally their base. If the war in Iraq takes front page again it would make the majority party look even worse than they are. I can only imagine what bin Laden is cooking up while all of our energy is focused on keeping Mexican janitors and dish washers out of the US.

By Wanker Alert!!

May 18, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this

By Pookie May 18, 2006 09:14 AM By 8 To 5 Andy May 18, 2006 08:54 AM JT: The single most important initiative that Bush can bring to the Middle East and to South America right now is economic prosperity in Libya.

You are getting awful picky here, I added a correction/ clarification, I hope that satisfies your issues.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this

The idea that Mike Luckovich, our pseudo-amusing Pulitzer Patriot, believes that using measured, controlled and lawful means to control immigration is a threat to our liberties perfectly illustrates how far to the Left the self-proclaimed “mainstream” media really is.

Losing our sovereignty is an incalcuable threat to our liberty. Chaos and anarchy is not liberty - unless you are a Leftist where freedom is defined by unbridled personal liberties earned at the expense of the “greater good” they claim to hold so dear to their Marxist “progressive” hearts.

Fortunately, at this point in time at least, they are in the minority.

Joe Roman,

Unlike East Germany, and Castro’s Cuba (which you hold some ignorant admiration for), people will be able to leave whenever they want.

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

8 to 5— it’s so wonderful of you to be able to predict the future deeds of Qaddafi. My, your prescient powers are just amazing.

By Joe Roman

May 18, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

Finally we get a little ‘compassionate conservatism’ from Bush. In his case, one out of a zillion ain’t bad. What a shame that six years of pandering to the most extreme rightist elements of his party has emboldened them to the point they feel they can dicate policy. Five will get you ten Bush will let them.

By Jason Leopold

May 18, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

AJC Exclusive

Gen. Michael Hayden will be sworn in to testify this morning and then will be read his rights under Miranda and be taken away in handcuffs.

You read it here first and please remember my perfect track record for these breaking stories.

By Wanker Alert!!

May 18, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

By dg May 18, 2006 09:18 AM The cartoon is relevant. Mexicans have been quietly crossing the border illegally and working in the US for the last 60 years only because it is virtually impossible for them to come here legally and work.

It’s a good point but if you look back and do some research, I’ll bet the laws that make it “hard” to become legal were written by democrats.

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this

More than 3500 Iraqi policemen have been murdered over the past 18 months. Boy, what a success story we’ve made of “spreading democracy in the Middle East.”

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

I’m issuing a wary “all clear,” downgrading the alert to orange color.

By Goldilocks May 18, 2006 09:22 AM 8 to 5— it’s so wonderful of you to be able to predict the future deeds of Qaddafi. My, your prescient powers are just amazing.

So there should be no rehabilitation allowed in the world anymore? First mistake, off with their heads?

Such compassion.

By JT

May 18, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

There is one consequence of impending immigration laws that I’m hoping for. The immigrants who have been here and may have to return, will return knowing how to initiate change in their own country. Change within their government would benefit them and encourage them to stay and prosper there if successful.

It would benefit all Latinos.

By JT

May 18, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

Pookie: To avoid multiple posts, the solution is simple. Open up multiple screens to AJC. After you post, close out the window at the bottom that doesn’t display the title of the cartoon. Open another from the bottom that does. Post from a fresh window.

By dg

May 18, 2006 09:40 AM | Link to this

Hello Wanker Alert, I don’t give a rat’s behind if the laws were written by Democrats or Republicans. There isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between them, and they scratch each other’s backs.

By Pookie

May 18, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

andy - how duz dat mak it cleerer

wen wil u sa tanks too bill fur libya

By mk

May 18, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Cur & Paste Andy: “Conservatives have no issues whatsoever with legal immigration, following the laws of the United States of America.”

Oh yeah, I remember them begging for enforcement of the laws against employing illegals. Lock up a rich business owner? Not a chance. Just another shining example of the rich protecting the rich and scapegoating the poor.

Besides the whole thing is just a diversion from the GOPs real problems.

That sucking sound you hear isn’t the liberals, it’s the republicans servicing their cellmates.

By JT

May 18, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Goldie: I’ve never seen you post anything here that displays hope in anything.

By Goldie May 18, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

8 to 5— it’s so wonderful of you to be able to predict the future deeds of Qaddafi. My, your prescient powers are just amazing.

I’ve known people like you. They’re not real pleasant to be around.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

May 18, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and Northrop Grumman, three of the largest, are among the companies that said they would submit bids within two weeks for a multibillion-dollar federal contract to build what the administration calls a “virtual fence” along the nation’s land borders. Why don’t we save the money it costs to run the IRS and just send 75% of our paychecks to defense contractors each week?

By Pookie

May 18, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

tanks jt but ise no shur how al dat wurks but ill tri

By Liberal Texas Democrat

May 18, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

As always, good ‘toon.

From the Conservative National Review Online: That’s the point of his proposal to send the National Guard to our border with Mexico. This represents Bush’s final, desperate descent into Clintonian sleight of hand. He wants to distract enough of his supporters with the razzle-dazzle of “National Guard to the Border!” headlines that they won’t notice he is pushing through Congress a proposal that essentially legalizes all the population influx from Latin America that has occurred in the past 10 years and any that might occur in the future.

And a fence would probably be just as effective.

The really interesting thing about the number of Guard troops to the boarder is that, (and no, as Mike Malloy is fond of saying, I’m not going to do your homework), for the past five years funding was included in the congressional version of the budget that would have increased the number of boarder patrol agents (In the name of homeland Defense) equal to or exceeding the number of troops that are being proposed. Why aren’t they there? The funding was stripped from the budgets by the White House resulting in compromise budgets that did include the increased funding for the boarder patrol. Now, duh, before anyone starts on the Democrats in Congress blocking this or blocking that, start with the President has a veto proof majority whenever he has the courage to use it.

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

8 to 5— So there should be no rehabilitation allowed in the world anymore? First mistake, off with their heads?

The Repugs are the ones who’ve finally admitted that their reason for war in Iraq was because of Saddam’s past evil deeds, not because he was a threat anymore to the world. Maybe you should re-think your reasons for appeasing a killer like Qaddafi — after all, he’s the one who killed hundreds of Americans, not Saddam.

My, what compassion.

By Dusty

May 18, 2006 09:59 AM | Link to this

NO SURPRISE….

The Clown Prince of AJC has now decided to demean the Statue of Liberty. It isn’t enough to debase the President of the United State, he now tries to make our symbol of liberty UGLY.

Luckovich even goes against members of what appears to be his own political party. Some Democrats are working on a new immigration bill right along with Republicans. Both see the need.

But not Luckovich. He is against anything that helps or encourages this country BECAUSE IT MAKES A “GOOD” CARTOON. What a standard.

Many liberals here seem to have the same standards. They are comic cartoons themselves.

By bobby

May 18, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

If it’s one thing that we are up to our necks in around here is ignorance. Ignorance of what the US Constitution says and means is rampant here in the wonderfully red state of Georgia.

No, it is not the ACLU who “got us here”, it is not the ACLU who doesn’t want to see the Ten Commandments hung in our courthouses, it is not the ACLU who does not want prayer in public schools - it’s the US Constitution, and Thank God for it. I really don’t know what is more pathetic - people who are ignorant of what our Constitution is or means, or those who wallow in their ignorance. The US Constitution is why our soldiers are fighting and dying in Iraq right now.

The ultimate irony - a person who fully supports what we are doing in Iraq, drapes themselves for all to see (or read) in US patiotism, and supports (choose one) - wiretapping without a court order; hanging Ten Commandments in public buildings; wants prayer in public schools; supports torture of prisoners.

Sorry, folks. You’re either for the US Constitution, or against it. You either understand why it is the foundation of our entire democracy, or you don’t have a clue and never will.

PS: What is the first thing that happened after Saddam’s regime was ousted? Form a Constitution.

By JT

May 18, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

Pookie: I’m not sure what I’m seeing here. In some of your posts, your literacy is evident, but then in others it isn’t. Do you find humor in illiteracy?

My advice was well intended.

By N-GA

May 18, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

Hey Bed Wetter….you say “It’s a good point but if you look back and do some research, I’ll bet the laws that make it “hard” to become legal were written by democrats.”

Why don’t you do your own research to make your point. In the meantime, when Reagan gave amnesty to illegal aliens, he did it in conjunction with a law to severely penalize businesses that knowingly employ illegals. Unfortunately, neither he nor Bush the 1st enforced the law. By the time BC became president, the IRS was already in the non-enforcement rut.

What the GOP is doing is trying to do is to take the focus off their own incompetence and corruption by creating a political issue that wasn’t really on the radar. This is the same thing they did when they raised the same-sex marriage issue. Now they can ignore Medicare, Social Security, Iraq, the Federal deficit, political corruption, etc.

BTW, Libya doesn’t need our help economically. They have oil.

Dumb bed wetter!

IMPEACH BUSH!!!

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

JT— I do have hope in regime change starting in November. That’s what I have hope for, otherwise we’re an ongoing downward spiral.

Tell me what news gives you hope that Iraqis will start loving one another and govern themselves while we still have our military in their faces everyday. The problem will not be solved militarily at this point, so keeping our troops actively fighting that battle is counter-productive. I have hope that with regime change here in America, we can bring our troops home and let Iraq govern itself.

By dg

May 18, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

Remember the Monica Lewinsky story and how that became front page news for years? Remember how after the 9/11 tragedy people felt that it diverted attention from national security? Have we not learned anything? While Clinton should not have lied to a grand jury, his opponents should not have spent the time and energy on impeachment. Can’t we just settle this immigration matter nicely and concentrate on more important issues? I fear that while we are falling into a diversion con that our enemies are using this to their advantage. Remember, there is a wide open Canadian border that has been penetrated by terrorists.

By N-GA

May 18, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

Dusty….the president of these United States (GWB)deserves to be debased. He himself has debased the OFFICE of the presidency. Try to remember that.

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

Dusty— you are quite the problem-solver. Tell us about your plan for bringing our troops home from Iraq and letting the Iraqis govern themselves. Not one of you Repugs posting here can give an answer to this so far. Instead you want to try and change the subject to “illegal” immigration, like that’s our big elephant in the room. NOT!

By getalife

May 18, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this

The solution is simple but this government will not go after the employers.

For example, go to Canada and try to work without proper documents.

I had the proper documents for consulting and still was questioned and a backgound check was done at the border.

The wall is a waste of money, we will borrow.

By Harold

May 18, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

We have no use for that dumb statue anymore, and the French gave it to us anyway so who wants it? They should send it back to France.

By Jason Leopold

May 18, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

By now some of you are probably thinking I was wrong about Hayden being arrested. Let me assure you I am not. Several sources have confirmed anonymously that he was arrested in private and was given 24 “business” hours before being carted off to jail. Don’t be fooled by the fact that he, like Karl Rove, appears to be going about his normal duties.

By N-GA

May 18, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

Correction to 10:03 post: “IRS” should read “INS”

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

John Murtha, a true American patriot, knows what he’s talking about regarding Iraq. It’s time to bring our troops home!

By Pookie

May 18, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

hay don call me litreate i spel da wey i do cuz itz esier an it mak cents too me

jus cauz im a bad speler don mak me stoopid

stil watin fur andy to say tanks to bill dough

no dats wun selly boy - he cant mak a poin widout quotin sum stuff he don unnerstan inna firs plas

he wux mines heero til he show he don no nutiin bout giografy

By N-GA

May 18, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this

Now if Pat Robertson would ask God to direct the upcoming tsunami to hit the Baja peninsula and have it travel east a few hundred miles, there won’t be any need for a fence:)

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

By Goldie May 18, 2006 09:58 AM Maybe you should re-think your reasons for appeasing a killer like Qaddafi — after all, he’s the one who killed hundreds of Americans, not Saddam.

Saddam was too busy killing his own people to have time for the murder of Americans?

My, what selfishness.

Wanker: BTW, Libya doesn’t need our help economically. They have oil.

Gosh, I wonder how that would benefit us?

By Earl

May 18, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

The Clown Prince of AJC has now decided to demean the Statue of Liberty.

CORRECTION: Since being appointed to office, the Clown Prince who pretends to be president has made a mockery of everything for which the Statue of Liberty stands.

By Dusty

May 18, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

N-GA.

Would you be so kind as to think of some NEW insulting names? You are getting so monotonous.

Ask Bobby or Goldie to help you. They are really good at twisting facts and conjuring up calamaties. Or look on the Demo Member instruction sheet. There’s probably some help at name-calling there.

By getalife

May 18, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

Uh, oh, God spoke to Pat again

That has to be false because God talks to W and he has not said anything.

Whacked out wingnuts. Wow, if you will.

By dg

May 18, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

Hello getalife, Canadians don’t really need white collar immigrants to work in Canada so they don’t make it easy for consultants to work there. Canada does have a successful guest worker program with Mexico.

By N-GA

May 18, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

Durty Dusty….You are SOOOO very like all the other Neo-Fascists. You think it is fine for Andy (aka the Bed Wetter) to call people pinko, commie, stupid, etc……but you feel the need to criticize others when they do similar things.

What hypocrisy!

What arrogance!

What a B-itch!

By Dusty

May 18, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

Earl,

My posts don’t need any corrections from an ignoramus like you. Try to think of something on your own, if that is possible.

THE CLOWN PRINCE OF AJC HAS NOW DECIDED TO DEMEAN THE STATUE OF LIBERTY.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

Murtha is a scumbag:

Marines killed Iraqi civilians ‘in cold blood’: US lawmaker

This “incident” is under investigation. These American soldiers, men who put their lives on the line every day for you, have the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, look it up in the Constitution you pinkos so selectively choose from.

They do not deserve to have their names dragged through the mud by some degenerate anti American lowlife for political purposes.

He needs to shut his wormy little mouth. What is he trying to do, incite Muslims to kill more Americans?

By ChickenHawk Civilians are Ruining the Military

May 18, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

Here

and Here

When will you Bush aplogists admit that this administration f’ed up just about everything and that every move they’ve made is to line their pockets and those of their buddies?

Most of you like this line of BS becuase you hope to someday be one of the beneficiaries of this largesse.

Guess what. You’re wrong.

These folks in the WH and Congress aren’t Conservatives. If anything they’re criminals.

Quit defending this bunch of thieves and liars and address the true Conservative values: fiscal responsibility and limited government.

Deep in your hearts you know these people are not working for you or what you believe in and hold dear.

These clowns don’t even come close.

By getalife

May 18, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

dg,

Yes, they made it very clear that I as an American, will not take a job a Canadian can do. I was impressed with that concept.

By N-GA

May 18, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

Bed Wetter,

When you posted: “JT: The single most important initiative that Bush can bring to the Middle East right now is economic prosperity in Libya.”

I responded with: “BTW, Libya doesn’t need our help economically. They have oil.”

You then posted: “Gosh, I wonder how that would benefit us?”

You sure make a lot of sense. I think you are over-medicated, again.

By Harold

May 18, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

Harold thinks some people cannot tell the difference between an artist’s rendering of the statue of liberty and the actual statue of liberty.

I say dunk it in a cup of p** like that P** Christ art from a few years back.

By JT

May 18, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

Goldie: There are two different factions within Iraq. There are the insurgents who will not tolerate freedom for the Iraqis and will go so far as to kill their own people to defeat it. Not unlike the regime of Saddam, the Taliban & Al Qaeda.

Then there are the Iraqi people who desperately want freedom from tyrranical rule along with America’s eventual pull-out. But I’m reading where they don’t want to be deserted by the Americans and left to what they had before. They want us there until they feel safe. The insurgents want us out now to bolster their previous claims that America will cut & run in the face of violent resistance further bolstering their ability to do as they please wherever they please.

With all due respect, yours is a selfish approach given the needs of the freedom-seeking Iraqi people. You’re entitled to see it from your own perspective. I see it differently.

The free market beckons me to leave here and buy a new battery for my car. Competitive pricing. You gotta love it.

By N-GA

May 18, 2006 10:45 AM | Link to this

This fall, we will wrest the vestiges of patriotism and national honor from the corrupt, unholy fingers of the neo-cons.

By getalife

May 18, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Murtha’s plan is to get American troops out of harm’s way and let the Iraqis sort out their problems.

He was right six months ago and he is right now. More troops have been blown away and he is the only politician standing up for what is right.

The troops do not deserve to die waiting on the Iraqis to have their civil war. When it is over, Murtha will go down in history as a true American patriot who actually cared about the senseless killing of our troops.

By Dusty

May 18, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

No, N-GA

Your new obnoxious names are NO good. They have all been used before. You are STILL monotonous.

Andy gives us a world of straight forward information. He is NOT monotonous and usually returns what he gets.

I gave you a little advice but no names. You called me quite a few. See what I mean?

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

When are we going to charge one of these lowlife democrats with treason? And hang them by the neck? This maggot Murtha is privy to confidential information involving the right’s of an American citizen and he leaks it to the press to satisfy his pervert appetite for subversion?

It’s well past time to set an example with one of these traitors. Why even have laws if these backstabbing lawmakers are just disregarding them? What the hell kind of message does this send to the citizenry?

By Barb

May 18, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

Old Mountain Goat (aka N-GA)—Dusty only asked you to make an attempt at coming up with a new slur. I know it’s not in the nature of you libs to think up something on your own, but try.

I see that rushncap is posting as “Pookie” today. It was hard to tell at first since Pookie is so much more coherent.

By ChickenHawk Civilians are Ruining the Military

May 18, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Those are Marines NOT soldiers.

There is a diference punk.

Did you offer the same presumption of innocence to President Clinton?

Be honest, I know that’s hard for you but try.

By Harold

May 18, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

Oops, that should have read:

Harold says dunk it in a cup of p** like that P** Christ art from a few years back.

By Harold

May 18, 2006 10:54 AM | Link to this

Leakers are treasonous! Yes indeed! Let us charge all alleged Leakers with treason: Libby Rove Cheney and Bush the Decider!

If a court finds them guilty may the penalty be the harshest possible, whatever it may be!

By moonbat betty

May 18, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

N-GA, the multi-millionaire, bronze star winner, the king of wankers, circus director of the lap dogs Pookie and Goldie amoung others. Your socialist views awe all of us here on the liberal commune. Thank you so much for gracing this sight with your compassionate heart and infinite wisdom. You are a national treasure.

By N-GA

May 18, 2006 10:57 AM | Link to this

Don’t worry, Bed Wetter. When Lt. William Calley was convicted of murder (My Lai massacre), he spent 3 1/2 years in home confinement. He could have visitors, go to the movies, etc. Then he was pardoned…if Jordan did that for Al-Zarqawi, you would have a fit.

Last heard, Calley was a jeweler in Fort Lauderdale.

Dusty…it is not my fault that you don’t read complete posts…or perhaps you simply don’t understand them…I have plenty to say about issues….take the time to read my posts, then reach for your dictionary.

By Tom

May 18, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

Pinko, pinko, pinko, nah-nah-nah-nah-nah! Screw you, Andy. Get a life. Knuckle dragger!

By Harold

May 18, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

Harold would like to see the Georgia Constitution on its side by a voting machine.

These crooked right nut jobs are wasting electoral funds by intentionally flawing their anti-gay ballot so they would get it on the ballot a second time and bring out the right nuts again for another vote on the gays.

Harold says impeach all the right nuts behind the intentionally flawed antigay election and make them repay the taxpayers for the balloting costs.

By seeker

May 18, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this

Incredible. Hater applauds the appeasement without punishment of Kadaffi and Libya… while at the same time trumpets the senseless invasion of Saddam’s Iraq.

Oh, the hypocrisy.

Before the 3/03 US invasion of Iraq, Libya had killed more Americans than Iraq. He bombed planes and nightclubs. It’s nuclear weapons program was light years ahead of Iraq’s, and even Iran’s.

Both Kadaffi and Saddam were frightened by the US reaction to 9/11. Both called world leaders to tell them they’d do anything to avoid a US attack.

Kadaffi, killer of Americans gets rewarded. Iraq, no threat to any other nation gets invaded.

If it weren’t for the money and blood lost in Iraq, this would be damn funny. Gross inconsistencies are generally good for a laugh.

Bush kills Americans while bankrupting the US. Impeach him, convict him and jail him.

By N-GA

May 18, 2006 11:00 AM | Link to this

Barb….you must be new to this blog…I must humbly take credit/blame for tagging Andy with the Bed Wetter sobriquet…so it is original. You should try to contribute to this blog in some other, more inspired way.

By Eric

May 18, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Bush has always been irrelevant to me…now he’s irrelevant to 70 percent of the country! It’s about time they caught up.

By N-GA

May 18, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

I knew the bed wetter would emerge from his rat hole…now he is using his feminine personality, Betty. Pretty thin skin he has.

I hope those marines are innocent…for their sakes and ours.

Hope you rats are learning to swim.

By finch

May 18, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

Mike’s cartoon is a winner, as usual. Republicans and Democrats are both intentely ignoring the rational solution to illegal workers. Punish the employers!

The Dems don’t want to undermine a future voting block, and the GOPers cringe at losing their cheap gardiners and busboys.

But it’s the Repubs that are really using illegals as a hot button issue to detract the GOP sheep from serious issues!

Illegals! Gay marriage!! Flag burning!! Prayer in school! Intelligent (sic) design!

Gag me.

By finch

May 18, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this

Interesting that the neocon idiots who so fearlessly backed the Danish Mohammed cartoons are so quick to condemn “The Da Vinci Code”.

More points for your hypocrisy badges!

By Dusty

May 18, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

Seeker is BACK!

And as usual spouting implausible, incomplete and inconsistent information. But ALWAYS with his anti-American sentiments.

Maybe he is a Muslim fundamentalist. Sounds like one when he posts “Bush kills Americans..”. This is so far from the truth that is makes him/her look like a pure 100% traitor.

I have no use for reckless people like Seeker. They consistently work against the country and there is no disguise for it.

By bobby

May 18, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

Yeah, Barb, try to contribute to this blog in a more inspired way. Just scroll up through these things and read a few of these inspired blogs. If you eliminate the ones where people have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, the ones that are just mindless-ignorant name calling, and the ones where the author either can’t spell or properly use conjunctions, the ones where the author uses words like Fascist or Socialist - but truly has no idea what the definition of the word is, you may find one or two that one MAY be defined as “inspiring”. Heck, a newcomer might think they are reading the blogs from a bunch of Rhodes Scholars. NOT. Trust me on this one folks, there is NOTHING inspiring here.

Now quick - somebody call me a name!!!!!!

By ChickenHawk Civilians are Ruining the Military

May 18, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Your blind support for this joke of an administration is treasonous.

If anyone should be hanged it should be you and the rest of Bush’s syncophants.

By Harold

May 18, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

Working against Bush means working for the country since 2/3 of everybody disapproves of the job the Decider is doing.

The Decider is not working for America. He never was, and even the slow have finally caught on to this.

It was clear the Decider was a lying sack of crap when he “choked on a pretzel and fell.” Yeah come on.

Harold says “Dubya” really stands for Drunk Again Georgie Pudding Pie.

By getalife

May 18, 2006 11:29 AM | Link to this

Hey Andy,

What is the deal with you being the only one to post here after hours?

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

Jason Leopold,

Speaking of “24 business hours”, do you have an opinion on the fake 7:00 closing time on this blog?

It could be the right time in the moonbat universe occupied by the AJC editorial staff, or I thought it might be a new time zone called, “Mexican Immigration Time”, so Vincente Fox can log in during “business hours”.

Whaddya think? Truth out now!

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

Yesterday Khadafi was turned into a gentle baby lamb by Ronald “God Bless His Soul” Reagan in 1986, today he’s a bloodthirsty killer who should be invaded.

Sounds kinda pinko, don’t it?

Plus we get to here the delights and benefits of living in Canada and Jordan, they’re soooo much better then we are, but yet these same wankers still live in the United States? What’s up with dat?

Proof is in the pudding.

By seeker

May 18, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

They do not deserve to have their names dragged through the mud by some degenerate anti American lowlife for political purposes.

No one has named any of the Marines accused of shooting civilians.

But they share something in common with Hater. Shoot first, ask questions later.

By Real Conservatives Aren't Republican

May 18, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

They may not use the Statue of Liberty but building a fence and giving amnesty to criminals is about all the Republicans are going to do about this problem. They definitely will not enforce tough laws to fine and imprison the illegal employers and that is the only solution that has any hope of really working to curb the flow. The only way illegals will stop crossing the border is if there is no illegal payday on the other side to attract them.

Legal guest workering is needful for American business interests but should have nothing to do with immigration status. Allowing 12 million criminal law-breakers citizenship when there are many more millions of honest applicants around the world waiting in line to immigrate honestly is contrary to the national interest. It skews cultural diversity in our country to only one group (Mexicans), and embraces people who have no respect for law. Those are not the kind of people we want to bestow citizenship upon. To further compound the error, Republicans want to reserve special expedited status for those criminals who have been here sponging off us the longest. (Translation- who have broken the law the most)

Republicans are selling America down the river in their vain attempt at power retention. They have no concern for America, they only care for themselves!

By ConDem

May 18, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

I’m not sure how the immigration issue can be touted as a distraction by the GOP.

It was the American people who were screaming. A little late, but screaming all the same. This leads me to believe that politicians were finally listening for a change.

I say…..GREAT!

By Dusty

May 18, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this

Chicken Hawk,

You are in a STEW aren’t you? I support the country and you really don’t like that.

Sorry, Chick, but I’m not blind. And I certainly can see what you liberals are cooking. BASH BUSH BLINDLY SO WE CAN ELECT A DEMOCRAT.

Our president would like support. Our country would like support. Our military would like support. TRY IT! YOU’LL LIKE IT!

By Chuckles Redux

May 18, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

Bobby- You’re a name. Happy?

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 11:38 AM | Link to this

Barb: I believe NG-A Wanker has a serious urine fetish, hence the constant talk of men and beds and all that, who would very much like me to give him a golden shower. I’ve told him many, many times that this was a NO-GO, but he persists.

With him thinking I’m Betty, who is far more clever then I am, I also see that N-GA Wanker is a paranoid obsessive, so I trust in time he will find another object of his desires and will leave me alone.

I can only hope!

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 11:40 AM | Link to this

getalife: I would love to tell you but I’m afraid you will get wormy on me. You seem to have gone all in with the wankers.

They can have you.

By Barb

May 18, 2006 11:43 AM | Link to this

Goat…err N-GA,

I’m well aware of your urination obsession. While you are thumbing through that dictionary of yours you might find that something that becomes tired, overused, and utterly boring is no longer original even if you think you are the first person to have ever used the specter of nocturnal emissions as an insult.

If you would like a modern day example look no further than Taylor Hicks and and his no longer original use of the term “soul patrol.”

By Dusty

May 18, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

Chicken Hawk,

You are in a STEW aren’t you? I support the country and you really don’t like that.

Sorry, Chick, but I’m not blind. And I certainly can see what you liberals are cooking. BASH BUSH BLINDLY SO WE CAN ELECT A DEMOCRAT.

Our president would like support. Our country would like support. Our military would like support. TRY IT! YOU’LL LIKE IT!

By Joe Roman

May 18, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

You have to admire the Bush apologists here for their consistency and discipline.
From all their various posting names, we hear consistently childish name calling, consistently illogical ideas and consistent efforts to use ideology to mask reality. The discipline comes from keeping up with their posting names. I personally think they all the same person. There’s not one reasonable voice among the nom de plumes. It’s kind of sad when you think about it. Conservatism isn’t what they represent it to be at all. Some conservatives are rational, mature adults with independent, well thought out opinions. I wonder where they’ve all gone.

By finch

May 18, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Kaadahfi is a “gentle baby lamb”?

The Bush administration is giving Khadaffi, a ruthless tyrant and a serial killer of Americans more than just amnesty. It’s giving him a PARDON!!

Where’s the consistency in that?

By ConDem

May 18, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

I have to point something out here. I visit left-wing blogsites, not to post, but just to look. There are a lot of similarities in the names used here by the Democrat posters like Bushista, Chimpster, Decider, Cokehead, Neocon, Facist. I can’t even remember them all without going back.

Here’s my question. Do you guys visit those sites? If you do, do you find them credible in what they post for review. I saw the Leopold story on one of them and although it had everybody posting with great hope for a positive outcome against Rove, the sites seem to be distancing themselves from this Leopold guy. But many posters there are still supporting this guy’s claims.

I find those sites kind of extreme.

By ChickenHawk Civilians are Ruining the Military

May 18, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

Dusty,

Nice to see you resort to name calling right off the bat. It lets me know the intellectual level at which you operate.

Do not confuse supporting the war and supporting the troops.

Do not confuse supporting the Constitution and supporting the President.

One can support the former and not the latter and I suggest that doing so is the most patriotic thing anyone can do right now.

Your blind support for failed policies and those that espouse them reveal more about you than the words you spew on this board and no doubt throughout the rest of your travels in life. Your inability to take a step back, take a deep breath, and try to see things objectively only proves that you are indeed what you profess to despise: a shill for one particular political party.

Doing that shortchanges the rest of the country. You are not a responsible citizen of this great nation if you do not take the time to understand the issues of the day and then act in the best interests of the country despite your political inclinations.

Being so quick to label those with whom you disagree “liberal”, which I assume you mean perjorativly, does nothing to help this country and its citizens come together to work for the commmon good.

You are a traitor. You demonstrate that every day on this board as you try to forment hate and hostility towards others. Shame on you.

By Dusty

May 18, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

Now JoeRo is back,

We are so lucky! He tells us that there is only one conservative person posting. And that one is not rational because there’s strong support for Bush.

No, Joe, we are not like liberals. We each post under our own “name” and then get called many names by liberals. We also think quite clearly.

I see AJC is posting my comments twice. Oh well. No worry. I am leaving for the day. Au revoir.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

Which site is Joey The Roman been watching?

finch: By finch May 17, 2006 01:49 PM From the ‘hell freezes over’ category, thank you Andy. Part 2 of Judith Miller’s WSJ article on how the US helped to peacefully disarm Libya is here.

So which is it?

By Brett

May 18, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

Dusty, you’re again supposed to be working instead of screwing off on a computer while the rest of us support you in your little hovel.

Andy - you asked yesterday, “Am I missing something?” Indeed you are - missing life itself. A self-hating homophobic who’s afraid to come out of the closet, so stays “in,” hating all others/things because of it. Lots of great gay folks out there - why not give it a try? You are but a generic lunatic. It shows in every word you puke forth on this blog. Fact that you have lots of similar company here is meaningless. Try to deal w your OWN lifetime of gross dysfunctions. Can’t do it, can you? Too weak & needy. Typical.

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Dusty— au revoir. Ooooh, that sounds so French of you! Aren’t you afraid of being labelled a traitor by your party for using such language?

By EMERGENCY BROADCAST SYSTEM

May 18, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE. The Emergency Broadcast System, now part of the faith based initiative, has just issued the following severe alert:

There is now a TSUNAMI WARNING in effect for the entire Northwest United States. Please evacuate immediately. This alert is in effect until September 15, 2006.

Again, MANDATORY EVACUATION….FULL ALERT

By Curious George

May 18, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

So what’s the point, Mike? You would not have any controls on immigration? Just open the borders and let everyone in? Or only the Mexicans? That’s the problem with a one-panel editorial cartoon. Or maybe in your case it’s an advantage. You don’t have to provide any details. Last we heard from her, Lady Liberty was shedding a tear over the terrorist attacks. No wonder she’s now trying to block the border.

By moonbat betty

May 18, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman,

You must also admire the idocies and specifically the name jackings that are posted from our cohorts here on a daily basis or is your oversite based on our political leanings? I believe in equality for all and therefore will shine light upon the hypocrisies that are so ovbvious that you choose to ignore. Sorry.

By finch

May 18, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

No, Joe, we are not like liberals. We each post under our own “name” and then get called many names by liberals.

Hysterical!! Good one, Dusty!!

And by the way… where’s Osama? Do you think the Bush administration will pardon him like it pardoned Khadaffi?? You know… be a good little boy and give us your toys and we’ll leave you alone….

The Bush inconsistencies are just stunning.

By UPDATE

May 18, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

It has now been officially determined by the administration that the TSUNAMI WARNING now in effect is the cause of an activist judge in Georgia.

Please take immediate action if you are in the warning area.

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 12:37 PM | Link to this

JT— No, there are three factions in Iraq: Sunni, Shia and Kurds. And they’re all fighting amongst themselves for power now. There’s also a small % of outsiders who are added to the mix (about 8%, as your guy Bush has estimated) — 92% of the fighting is done between the different Iraqi factions, and our American troops are getting stuck in the crossfire. All because your guy Bush has no plan for letting the Iraqis decide for themselves which way their country should go now.

We created the mess and chaos in Iraq and we can’t control the different factions who are fighting for control. Just as many advisers warned Bush about before we invaded that country. At this point, we cannot contribute anything militarily to solving their problem — the Iraqis need to start standing together as one in order to make it work for them. Our presence there is only contributing to the hatred they feel towards us — for killing their fathers, mothers, sons and daughters. They were normal Iraqi citizens going about their lives, until we changed everything and started calling them all “insurgents.” No, they were Iraqis first. Now they want us out of their country. We should do them a big favor and leave so that they can start to put their lives back together.

By Daniel

May 18, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

The Italian President called the Iraq War: “A Grave Mistake”. He promised to withdraw all troops.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 12:41 PM | Link to this

Brett: I’m a whole lot happier than you are. Makes you wonder who’s got it right, don’t it?

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

finch,

Despite your pretenses at moderation, you are no different from the rest of the moonbats. Your comments today - every single one of them - blow right through that false facade.

Goldie,

Would you please stop your serial shouting? It is really rude and makes you look desperate for attention. Are you genetically incapable of posting other’s quotes in standard italicized type without BOLDING their every word?

By finch

May 18, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

Despite your pretenses at moderation, you are no different from the rest of the moonbats…

Sticks and stones may break my bones… and since when were moderation and criticism mutually exclusive?

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

By Joe Roman May 18, 2006 11:46 AM Some conservatives are rational, mature adults with independent, well thought out opinions. I wonder where they’ve all gone

By Brett May 18, 2006 12:23 PM Andy - you asked yesterday, “Am I missing something?” Indeed you are - missing life itself. A self-hating homophobic who’s afraid to come out of the closet, so stays “in,” hating all others/things because of it. Lots of great gay folks out there - why not give it a try? You are but a generic lunatic. It shows in every word you puke forth on this blog. Fact that you have lots of similar company here is meaningless. Try to deal w your OWN lifetime of gross dysfunctions. Can’t do it, can you? Too weak & needy. Typical.

By moonbat betty

May 18, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

Goldie, your military knowledge and prowess is impressive. The commune has taught you well in the art of war. When Hillary is elected, you will be promoted from goat milker to secretary of defense.

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 01:01 PM | Link to this

Danish guy— excuuuuse me! I can certainly understand why you would hate to see your venom show up in bold here on the blog.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

Our presence there is only contributing to the hatred they feel towards us — for killing their fathers, mothers, sons and daughters. They were normal Iraqi citizens going about their lives, until we changed everything and started calling them all “insurgents.” No, they were Iraqis first.

Goldie,

Following your lead, please provide data to subtantiate your fanciful assertions, which don’t even dare utter the phrase, Al Qaeda in Iraq, or acknowledge the former dictator and his minders who are now on trial in an open Iraqi court for assorted crimes against humanity.

Nope, apparently everything was just hunkey dorey until we came along and screwed it all up for them. Why 99% of them voted for Saddam Hussein!

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

Another day in ml’s world and we see all the “progressives” bleating their insults and then as sure as the name jacking follows a liberal loss of an argument one of them comes along to accuse the conservatives of doing all the name calling.

Libs really are like a daytime soap, you could ignore them for months and never miss a thing.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

Venom? I guess the truth is poison to you.

By getalife

May 18, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

The Italian President called the Iraq War: “A Grave Mistake”. He promised to withdraw all troops.

That is what I am talking about, admit your mistakes, learn from the mistakes and move on to try to repair the damage.

BTW, Andy, you can tell me . I do not see worms.

By getalife

May 18, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

RW,

Are you saying you watch soap operas?

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

At least Bush has dropped his infernal references to slacker Americans when talking about illegal immigrants. In his speech Monday night, instead of 47 mentions of “jobs Americans won’t do,” Bush referred only once to “jobs Americans are not doing” — which I take it means other than border enforcement and intelligence-gathering at the CIA. For the record, I’ll volunteer right now to clean other people’s apartments if I don’t have to pay taxes on what I earn.

Bush claimed the only other alternative — I assume this is the “irrational extreme” — is “a program of mass deportation.” Really? Is the only alternative to legalizing tax cheats “a program of mass arrest of tax cheats”?

This is the logic of the pro-abortion zealots (aka “the Democratic Party”): Either lift every single restriction on abortion or … every woman in America will be impregnated by her father and die in a back-alley abortion!

Those are your only two answers? Do you need another minute?

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

finch,

For starters, to say that today’s cartoon is “great” is impossible unless you have an extreme position which equates maintaining our borders as a loss of liberty.

Then we move to your “gag” comments, which blithely dismisses the beliefs of the majority of Americans as something worthy of puke.

Later we get your complaints about Libya, yet you would remove every tool at our disposal to permit us to prevent blowing up planes in the future.

BTW, that Opinion Journal piece by Judith Miller had an interesting observation - that is was impossible to find the WMDs without the Libyans help.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

My psychic powers tell me that every illegal alien in the country will turn out to have been here for at least two years, and will report only negligible earnings for their lengthy stay. Amnesty applicants will be required to pay a “fine” of $2000 to be put on a glide path to citizenship. This fine will make every applicant immediately eligible for all government benefits at both the state and federal level and is far less than legal immigrants could expect to pay for ordinary lawyers’ bills and application fees. But of course, they followed the rules and thus deserve an appropriate punishment.

Upon legalization under the amnesty, all the 11 million to 20 million illegal aliens who could be expected to apply will become eligible to legally bring over their family members under family reunification rules. The amnesty will thus result in the largest increase in legal immigration in history. The prospect of amnesty has already caused a massive increase in illegal immigration as aliens flood over the border hoping to lay the groundwork for an amnesty application.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Watching the twists and turns of you and your fellow travelers from the planet Moonbatica is soap opera enough for me.

This is the last one I watched with any frequency

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

Danish: I’m trying to time this with finch’s actual answer to your 1:20, here’s what he’ll answer with:

Where’s Osama?

By getalife

May 18, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this

RW,

As the ml blog turns is very entertaining along with politics.

The drama, the screaming, and the wanking. What will happen, stay tuned.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

Andy,

It looks like they may finally have found Jimmy Hoffa. I suppose that if we had focused all our resources on finding him, then we might have found him sooner.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2006 01:40 PM | Link to this

getalife,

It’s a lot more like “All My Children” I believe.

I’m going out to the Tiki bar, stop by my place and make your Preakness picks.

By rushncap

May 18, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

No, Barb, I’ve been far too busy to post anything today until now. I’m not li’l andy, I don’t need to use other nicknames. Please try to contain yourself.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

RW,

One thing that did make it bearable today was the surprise visit by Jason Leopold.

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

Danish guy— during the last Iraqi election, 80% of the voters stated that they wanted all foreign occupiers to leave their land. But if you only watch Fox News or listen to Oxycontin Limbaugh, you may not have gotten that important little tidbit. And BTW, those voters were not “Al Qaeda in Iraq” as you may have been told.

You really need to expand your sources for information so that you’ll stop appearing to be such an ignorant slob.

And, you must really be a popular guy around your house, trying to control everyone around you and telling everyone which fonts you want used on a blog.?

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

Sorry, Joe— no admiration here for the Bush apologists for their consistency and discipline. They’ve got too much blood on their hands for following some weird party ideology, rather than wanting to do what’s best for America and get rid of the criminals in Wash.DC. They would much rather see endless war all across the globe, as well as bankrupt our country, rather than vote the Mafia boys out of Congress.

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

The Republican Party: “We’re all about never-ending war. We will therefore rename our party the War Party.”

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

Here’s a synopsis of everything you need to know about the Left in America, including their alliance with Radical Islamists. I’ll be back with info about European alliances…

I wonder which group or groups Goldie and JoRo hold dear to their hearts?

Any card-carriers out there? Don’t be shy - be proud of your beliefs!

RE,

If you’re out there, this^ is more about why it matters. I think I posted something recently about Chavez giving a million dollars to Al Qaeda - did you see it? If not I’d be happy to try and dig it out for you.

By RW-(the original)

May 18, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I guess it took Eric Shawn from….shhhh….fox news…..to find out what happened to Hoffa.

Has Jason managed to get anything right yet? Maybe he should go with Algore’s global warming theory. Annie says they are going with that because they can’t be proved wrong for a thousand years or so.

By finch

May 18, 2006 01:57 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Yup, I thought ml’s cartoon was great. If he meant to spark diaogue on the illegal aliens issue, it worked. And I’ve stated my solution to the problem a brazillion times. Bust the employers who hire illegals. No lawbreaking employers, no jobs. No jobs, no illegals.

A lot simpler than building a 2000 mile long fence and guarding it with 50000 troops 24/7. That works out to 25 guards a mile, by the way… a security sieve that, in true neocon tradition, would be both expensive and pointless.

Then we move to your “gag” comments, which blithely dismisses the beliefs of the majority of Americans as something worthy of puke.

I’m not dismissing their beliefs, I’m criticizing their priorities. When Iraq, energy and immigration are real issues, it’s nauseating to see wingnuts worked up over gay marriage and flag burning.

And (just to make Suck happy) Where’s Osama? Holding out for a Khadaffi pardon deal?

By rushncap

May 18, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

Yes, Danish, we, the liberal, pro-choice, pro-minority, anti-religion/state alliances, pro-education half of the population cannot wait until this country is taken by Islamic fundamentalists, who would forbid abortion and extra-marital sex, outlaw all religious excercise save for Islam, forbid women from attending universities and require the government to be run by the clergy.

Do you ever just LISTEN to yourself, or are you so dumb that listening to others is far simpler than thinking for you?

By Republicans Never Die (without a wooden stake) They Just Fade Away!

May 18, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

Pa. Voters Oust at Least 14 Lawmakers

Foreshadow of November and 2008!

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

finch,

Today’s cartoon had absolutely nothing in it about going after employers. On the contrary, it was a metaphor for a hysterical moonbat belief that building a fence and slowing illegal immigration is somehow an affront to Lady Liberty.

As for the “priorities” of conservatives, we are quite capable of multi-tasking. Energy has been a priority for conservatives for a very long time, with only the obstructionist liberals (which includes a few rino Republican senators) blocking progress.

Immigration is the number one issue right now - because of conservatives.

Iraq continues to be a priority for conservatives.

I would add national security to the list of priorities that conservatives care deeply about.

In fact, every issue you cite is NOT a priority for Democrats.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

Rushcap,

I guess you missed the part about the enemy of my enemy being my friend.

Sorry that you are too thick, or afflicted with BDS to get it.

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 02:25 PM | Link to this

Danish guy— you really need to check your sources again. The #1 issue in America is NOT immigration, but the never-ending war in Iraq. Your guy Bush is down in the 20’s now for an approval rating, and they all point to the never-ending war being what’s dragging your entire party down.

Pay attention — you’re really tiring everyone out, just trying to keep you educated.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 02:28 PM | Link to this

Here’s the info I promised about the European alliance with Islamists.

Rushncap,

You’ll have to write a letter to Amir Taheri, and tell him how dumb he is if you have any complaints. Dittoes for David Horowitz and others.

I’m just the messenger here.

And here

By Republicans Never Die (without a wooden stake) They Just Fade Away!

May 18, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

BDS= Elegant proof from the wingnuts own proclamations that Bush is the DIVIDER as well as the DECIDER! He sure as hell ain’t the UNITER!

By ChickenHawk Civilians are Ruining the Military

May 18, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

BuyDanish,

Please provide anything showing me a link between Chavez and Osama that doesn’t come from an admitedly biased website, i.e. NewsMax, World Net Daily, Drudge, etc.

By finch

May 18, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

On the contrary, it was a metaphor for a hysterical moonbat belief that building a fence and slowing illegal immigration is somehow an affront to Lady Liberty.

Mike was yanking your chain. That’s his job. And you barked. Mission accomplished.

In fact, every issue you cite is NOT a priority for Democrats.

You can’t be that obtuse. Well, maybe you are.

By ChickenHawk Civilians are Ruining the Military

May 18, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Linking to a story by Horowitz is as bad as linking to a story by Limbaugh.

Find something from a real journalist, not a proven liar.

By getalife

May 18, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Okay, it does not getting any lower than this

Wow.

By finch

May 18, 2006 02:36 PM | Link to this

rushncap,

Amazing isn’t it? All this time, I had no idea that we “moonbats” were positively lusting (is that the right word?) for an America where gays are executed, all faiths but one are banned, and women are jailed or worse if they’re anything but married, barefoot and pregnant.

Hysterical stuff. Hysterical.

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 02:41 PM | Link to this

I see on my calendar that this Saturday is “Armed Forces Day” — where’s all the protesters against those stores that don’t put out banners saying “Happy Armed Forces Day”? Don’t the neo-cons know that there’s a war against Armed Forces Day?

By Republicans Never Die (without a wooden stake) They Just Fade Away!

May 18, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

Getalife: Great link on Republican heart transplant politics. Yuk!!!

Republicans have at least validated one of their talking points and definitively proven that the Theory of Evolution is false. Members of that party continue to devolve into lower lifeforms rather than the Darwinian claim of the reverse.

By rushncap

May 18, 2006 02:44 PM | Link to this

Sorry, Danish, that crap you’re selling, I’m not buying. You can post links to idiot websites all you want. I know more liberals than inhabit your worst nightmares, and not a one of us want “Islamists” to win. So go ahead, read all the moonbat conspiracy theory websites you want. All that proves is that you’re extremely gullible, and someone is making a good living off of the likes of you. Unfortunately I’m too scrupulous to jump on the gravy train, otherwise I’d be right there with them, selling BS to neocons who consider “think” to be a 4-letter word (partially because a significant percentage of them can’t count).

And while I don’t know who Amir Taheri is (wonder if he’s as trustworthy as “Skrewball” or “Tenet”), I do know Horowitz. I’ve listened to some rants of his, and I’d argue that he is as brain-dead as you are if he were not making a killing selling off his brain-dead spewtum to other brain-dead lemmings whose vocabulary is slightly smaller than his. I trust that man about as far as my neighbor’s cat can throw him.

By rushncap

May 18, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

Well, finch, I consider us lucky. I mean, what would we do if we did not have considerate neocons like Horowitz and Danish explaining to us what we believe? I’m glad I realized that I wanted myself and my whole Jewish family and my Jewish girlfriend exterminated by fundamentalist Muslims before it’s too late. I really should thank Danish and Horowitz for explaining this to me.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

Finch,

Oh, so now you can read things into cartoons that aren’t actually there? Maybe your are really “Mike” incognito!

Neat trick. Maybe I’ll become a cartoonist, and draw pictures of Batman, but insist that any fool could see it was Spiderman that we were discussing.

As for your declaration that I am “obtuse” -Energy is a priority for Democrats? Other than shutting down nuclear power plants, blocking ANWR, smooching with Chavez, and demanding that we drive around in tin cans, what have they (you) done?

Immigration HAS been a priority for Ted Kennedy, and a fine mess he’s made of it. Open the doors and enroll more Dems is not a policy for the country, only for Democrat power.

In 1986 Reagan signed a bill that a Democrat Congress came up with - it was not part of his vision. A mistake on both parts.

The Iraq War? Cut and run is not a policy.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

Well Rushncap, Horowitz was just proven right on Ward Churchill, perhaps the most notorious recent example of Left Wing Propagandists posing as professors.

You may want to learn a bit about him before you dismiss his factual accounts of reality as “rants”. Especially coming from you, who uses “ranting” (and raving) as your signature style.

Chickenhawk,

You, who never ever calls anyone else a name other than “traitor”, what lies? Name ONE.

finch,

Your blog alliances are very telling.

By Ingi

May 18, 2006 02:57 PM | Link to this

You’ve got some nerve talking about that damn cat rushncap. Don’t come knocking later.

By getalife

May 18, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

Robin Williams’s plan:

“I see a lot of people yelling for peace, but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here’s one plan.

1) “The US will apologize to the world for our ‘interference’ in their affairs, past & present. You know: Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those ! ‘good ole boys;’ we will never ‘interfere’ again.

2) “We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea, the Middle East, and the Philippines. They don’t want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking through holes in the fence.

3) “All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We’ll give them a free trip home. After 90 days, the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are. They’re illegal!!! France will welcome them.

4) “All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit!!!! No one from a terrorist nation will be allowed in. If you don’t like it there, change it yourself and don’t hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don’t need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.

5) “No foreign ‘students’ over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don’t attend classes, they get a D, and it’s back home, baby.

6) “The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy-wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy, but will require temporary drilling for oil in the Alaska wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.

7) “Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil-producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don’t like it, we go someplace else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)

8) “If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not ‘interfere.’ They can pray to Allah, or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement, or whatever they need. Besides, most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.

9) “Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island someplace. We don’t need the spies and fair-weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.

10) “All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us ‘Ugly Americans’ any longer. The language we speak is ENGLISH…learn it…or LEAVE.” “Now, isn’t that a winner of a plan?”

“The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying, ‘Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses.’ She’s got a baseball bat, and she’s yelling, ‘You want a piece of me?’ ”

By Goldie

May 18, 2006 02:59 PM | Link to this

Never-ending war is not a policy.

By rushncap

May 18, 2006 03:02 PM | Link to this

As I was saying, Danish, I’ve listened to him. It’s funny, because I had never heard of him when he decided to come to Berkeley a few years ago. Since I guess he needed “conroversy” for anyone to bother with his talk, he took out a full-page ad in the newspaper to promote his anti-reparations talk. I thought to myself “Hey, I’m against reparations, let’s see what this guy has to say”, so I started reading it. He had a list of about 12 arguments against reparations. The first 3 or 4 were sound and made sense. The majority of the rest were bordering on being totally racist, and it was so shocking to me to see something so blatantly anti-black in a major campus newspaper, that I remembered his name. Over the years I’ve come across some more of his rants, most recently when he came to Duke University, and it’s refreshing to see that he is just as stupid and blatantly offensive as a human being as he ever was. So thank you very much, I know plenty about him. Unfortunately. He is certainly one of those people who should have taken the “remain silent and be thought a fool, rather than talk and remove all doubt” to heart a loooong time ago.

By finch

May 18, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

Oh, so now you can read things into cartoons that aren’t actually there? Maybe your are really “Mike” incognito!

Excuse me??

You mean you have the unique observational skills to divine ml’s true meaning???

Neat trick. Maybe I’ll become a cartoonist, and draw pictures of Batman, but insist that any fool could see it was Spiderman that we were discussing.

Earth calling Danish.. Earth calling Danish… come in, Danish….

In the first place, I just made a general observation. Editorial cartoonists like to stir things up. You went much further with the specifics of ml’s “message”.

Don’t tell me! YOU’RE Mike!

By Joe's Bumper stickers

May 18, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

Break time’s over Goldie. Time to put those slogans on paper.

By ChickenHawk Civilians are Ruining the Military

May 18, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish, [Lie #1] (http://mediamatters.org/items/200604100003)

Lie #2

Lie #3

That’s THREE, need I go on?

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 03:14 PM | Link to this

Finch, Rushncap and everyone else who is up in arms about the links I posted,

Thanks for finally admitting that you are all moonbat Leftists! Gosh, it took you long enough. All this moderate Democrat stuff is such an obfuscation.

Goldie,

Believe me, there is absolutely nothing that you can educate me about, save perhaps demonstrating the limitless depths of your ignorance and arrogance.

By ChickenHawk Civilians are Ruining the Military

May 18, 2006 03:25 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Your steadfast suppport of the President is remarkable. What do you know that 70%+ of Amercians don’t know?

My only consolation is that soon, you’ll be forced to drum up some pretense to investigate whomever the next President may be.

Why all the venom? Why do you hate your fellow citizens so much?

By rushncap

May 18, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Er, Danish, are you off your meds again? If you can quote me or finch saying “we are all moonbat Leftists” you get a cookie. But, yes, in case you’re wondering, I’m a moderate liberal. If you don’t like that fact, well, that’s your problem.

And we’re not “up in arms” about your links. We simply dismiss them, as we would dismiss any product of a diseased imagination. If someone here posted a link that stated that you support Al Qaeda, and spent 6 pages proving the fact, you would dismiss that, and rightly so. So I out-of-hand dismiss any link that tries to prove that I’m pro-terrorism.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

By finch

May 18, 2006 02:30 PM

Mike was yanking your chain. That’s his job. And you barked. Mission accomplished.

In the moonbat universe inhabited by finch et al, it works like this:

Finch does not care what the cartoon depicts - that is inconsequential. He knows what the rest of us don’t, which is that the cartoon itself does not matter. Somehow he has some special line into Mike who tells him that misinterpreting reality is the reality. Just like life for moonbats!

When Mike draws a cartoon that has an eerie similarity to planes crashing into buildings, we are told that we are nuts to see what is right in front of our noses.

When Mike draws Lady Liberty lying on her side and turning into a fence, we are told that it is really about fining or jailing employers for hiring illegals.

You must have driven your English Lit teachers batty, as you came up with your own unique interpretations of poetry and prose.

Black is white. White is green. I don’t know, you’ll have to fill in the rest for me cause I can’t keep up with the hallucinations.

By Burns

May 18, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

CRY ME A RIVER!! Since when does the US not have the right to control how many people come here? Canada, Australia, Mexico, etc.. all control their number of immigrants but we don’t have that right or, “We’re tearing down the Statue of Liberty and turning it into a fence.” What a snot-nosed, bleeding heart, agenda-driven piece of garbage.

The US allows more LEGAL immigration than any other country on earth, about a million a year. And in a time when we’re having to buy low-flush toilets and many municipalities are worried about how they’re going to supply the current needs of their citizens there are those that think we should just let in everyone? Mindless myopic morons.

By Lord Help Us

May 18, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

To: My fellow unpatriotic, America-hating, traitorous, liberal, terrorist sympathisers.

We have been EXPOSED by the the crafty, patriotic, America-loving, moral, conservative geniuses on this blog.

Our alliance with terrorist organizations and our conspiracy to install a racist, totalitarian, anti-gay, anti-minority government in the USA has been brought to light by these crafty little devils.

The JIG is up!! (excuse me, Mel Brooks)

By finch

May 18, 2006 03:52 PM | Link to this

Danish,

I don’t recall being “up in arms” over your links. You’re free to post them, just as Suck is free to post wingnut drivel from the Moonie Times.

And I’m free to disregard them as not credible.

BTW, I’m convinced Suck is a Moonie Times missionary. He’s giving that rag a bigger audience here than it has in the real world.

Speaking of the real world:

“NEW YORK — Actress Susan Sarandon, a longtime liberal political activist and outspoken opponent of the Iraq war, endorsed an anti-war Democrat challenging Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s re-election bid Tuesday.”

So much for the myth of “moonbat” solidarity.

By Joe Roman

May 18, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

I get more validation from the wingnuts than those you who agree with me. The wingers are like Homer Simpson only not funny. They repeat the same blunders over and over. I guess all the mature etc. actual conservatives are just too embarrassed to blog.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 03:58 PM | Link to this

Rushncap,

At 2:36 finch wrote you a note mentioning “we moonbats” (refering to the two of you). I took that as an admission.

Heck, the evidence there is stronger than his interpretation of today’s cartoon which has not one employer in sight, but does have Lady Liberty lying on her side, not at all like an Odalisque.

To use finch’s logic, Emma Lazarus’ poem at Ellis Island is really some sort of note to immigrants on the subject of employers, and I don’t know - this is just a guess, but Lady Liberty in New York Harbor might depict Martha Stewart, who paradoxically represents both the evils of Big Business and the promise of women’s liberation.

By Joe Roman

May 18, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

I get more validation from the wingnuts than those you who agree with me. The wingers are like Homer Simpson only not funny. They repeat the same blunders over and over. I guess all the mature etc. actual conservatives are just too embarrassed to blog.

By Joe Roman

May 18, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

I get more validation from the wingnuts than those you who agree with me. The wingers are like Homer Simpson only not funny. They repeat the same blunders over and over. I guess all the mature etc. actual conservatives are just too embarrassed to blog.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

Burns,

Your love is like a red, red rose newly sprung in June, except if you’re a moonbat, in which case it is a daisy planted on the moon.

See? If you don’t, you’re crazy.

By rushncap

May 18, 2006 04:07 PM | Link to this

No, Danish, what he wrote was “we ‘moonbats’ “, where the word “moonbats” was in quotations. He was merely reusing your term, not calling ourselves “moonbats”. Nor did he mention anything about “Leftists”.

I’m at least glad you’re not defending Horowitz over his reparations comments.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

JoRoJoRoJoRo,

Don’t hit the refresh button! Try using the history button after you post and getting out of the white space that way.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this

Actually Joey, I think you get more validation from your perpetual posts than you do from anyone else, we just kind of politely look the other way when you start wigging out.

But you just go ahead and give us your blowhard take on things, over and over again.

By The AJC tolerates shills

May 18, 2006 04:09 PM | Link to this

Smart folks know that immigration is just the smokescreen dujour

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

Actress Susan Sarandon Endorses Clinton Opponent In Senate Race

Who cares?

Other than finch, of course, taking a break from the old “Osama” obsessive disorder.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

Chickenhawk,

I don’t believe that I have even mentioned Bush today except in the context of BDS, so you must be seeing things. Or can you read my mind just like finch can read Mike’s? Bush has lost some support among conservatives, so any fantasies about us jumping the fence to your side is - just fantasy.

But, since YOU mentioned him, I will admit that he is giving a darned good talk on the subject of immigration right now, although I tend to lean further to the right than he on this one. I’m for a fence, biometrics, and a temporary worker program. I do not want to tie it to citizenship in any way.

As to your links, I’ll need something with more clarity than the gobbledegoop you posted. Horowitz knows the Left better than anyone and Todd Gitlin who is still stuck there is just rambling on.

By getalife

May 18, 2006 04:18 PM | Link to this

It would seem with all the downtime on this blog, they should be able to get it to run like the local political blog.

That reminds me, the mayor vetoed the ethics bill.

Send her to Washington!

By finch

May 18, 2006 04:20 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

“We moonbats” is a joke. I sometimes forget that you are devoid of a sense of humor.

ml’s cartoon can be anything you want it to be. You have one interpetation. Yay! Good for you! All I said was that the cartoon, like all good editorial cartoons, was meant to stir things up. Which it has. I didn’t say the ‘toom symbolized employers who hire illegals, illegals who work for them, the price of eggs in Duluth, blah blah etcetera…

Your extrapolation of my “logic” into how I interpet Lazarus’ poem actually defies logic.

Just as your argument that Islamofascists and “moonbats” are plotting to take over the US and overthrow Western Civilization defies logic.

We all know it’s the MEXICANS who are out to take over the US! (sarcasm off)

And I’m surprised that you and the other wingnuts haven’t noticed that since Lady Liberty is facing Mexico, her Backside must be pointing Stateside.

Ohmygawd! Mike has Lady Liberty MOONING AMERICA!! Traitor!! Communist!!

Heh.

By getalife

May 18, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this

Just saw the local hypocrite Reed with Giuliani.

Another wow.

By Daniel

May 18, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

Bush is a flop. Did anyone see the Friedman article in yesterday’s NYT? Friedman had been a long time supporter. No longer. The Goss-Foggo-“bacon-thief” scandal did it for him. GWB put three hacks in charge of the nations Ccentral Intelligence! Three goons. One is a convicted thief! The great GW Bungler! The ship deserts the sinking rat. It’s over.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

May 18, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

By Buy Danish May 18, 2006 04:08 PM | Link to this JoRoJoRoJoRo,

Don’t hit the refresh button! Try using the history button after you post and getting out of the white space that way.

On a MAC it’s sometimes faster to click on the bookmark. I’ve tried using the history option in safari and it wants to resend the information making it like a refresh.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this

ml’s cartoon can be anything you want it to be

finch,

This is the crux of the problem - not just your problem (which becomes my problem) but the problem with the whole Moonbat universe. Very simply, it cannot be anything you want it to be! Sorry, but that is reality, whether it is a political cartoon or not.

Meanwhile, I knew it was a joke when you used the term “we Moonbats”. That’s why my post JOKINGLY said that you admitted to being a moonbat. Just as my Emma Lazarus faux-interpretation is a JOKE, as was my comment to “Burns”. It was meant to demonstrate how ludicrous your “anything goes” interpretation of reality is.

Anything does not go in reality, or in civilized society. That may be what really separates the Left from the Right.

By JT

May 18, 2006 04:57 PM | Link to this

Goldie: Why am I not surprised that you left out those Iraqis intelligent enough to know that freedom is what is best for Iraq and it’s people.

The struggle for power is not unlike what we have here in this country. But we do have freedom.

By getalife

May 18, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

This story by Judith Miller says NSA warned Bush about 9/11 without illegal wiretaps

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

The tax cut “clearly favors the wealthy,” said ABC’s Betsy Stark. “Critics” (which often means journalists) call it “a gift to the wealthy,” said CBS’s Harry Smith. As usual, to put these comments in perspective, it’s necessary to examine two bodies of information: what the media are telling us, and what they’re not telling us.

They are telling us the newly-passed $70 billion tax relief bill benefits The Rich. Obviously, a tax cut benefits only those who are paying taxes. As the Tax Foundation has pointed out, 32 percent of those who filed federal tax returns this year actually had no tax liability. Those people aren’t going to benefit from most tax cuts … because that’s hard to do when you’re not paying taxes to begin with.

By Buy Danish

May 18, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

Regarding the perils to Western Civilization -

Here’s a good blog that talks about Londonstan by Melanie Phillips. Call her dumb and crazy, don’t blame me.

Here’s a book by Clare Berlinsky, who has a similar message. Feel free to write her a nasty letter.

And Rushncap,

You may want to check out Carol Gould. She’s a Londoner who writes poignantly about anti-Semitism in England. Here’s a sample of her work

By Republicans Never Die (without a wooden stake) They Just Fade Away!

May 18, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

Anything does not go in reality, or in civilized society. That may be what really separates the Left from the Right.- ‘Buy Danish’ in referring to todays CARTOON!

Maybe what seperates the Left from the Right is that the Left knows the difference between a CARTOON (Art) and reality. Art, as Finch observed, can have many interpretations. Much good art is designed to do exactly that in order to stimulate thought and discussion.

Republican excusers like Buy Danish just want to impose their own interpretations of most everything on everyone else. THAT’S WHAT SEPERATES THE LEFT FROM THE RIGHT!!!!!

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 18, 2006 05:37 PM | Link to this

Look getalife, no hands!

The way you libs were getting pounded on today you should be thankful to the AJC for shutting this down at 5:00, er, well whatever.

One does hope that you pinkos can think up some new slogans tonite, hearing the same ones over and over and over tomorrow that we heard today will make for a pretty bleak day.

Maybe they’ll have a new poll for you!

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