Mike Luckovich

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

I know you pinkos would rather we just forgot about this but the last time you had an opportunity to provide “competent leadership” in that office, those National Guard troops would have been replaced with a bunch of strippers. And they wouldn’t be on a “temporary” basis either.

Don’t feel bad, though, Al Qaeda misses those “glorious” days also.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

Expanding border fencing and barriers is essential. This too will send a message to the world that we are serious about enforcement. Again, this clear message will result in fewer attempted crossings and reduced arrests. Indeed, Homeland Security Secretary Mike Chertoff recently told some senators that he favors 350 miles of new fencing plus 500 miles of vehicle barriers.A clear statement of affirmation of this policy by the president and immediate commencement of construction is needed.

In addition to utilizing the National Guard at the border, the president needs to call on the 700,000 state and local law enforcement officers to be the eyes and ears of immigration law enforcement. There are now fewer than 20,000 federal immigration enforcement officers. When state and local officers apprehend illegals in the course of their work and call on federal enforcement officers, federal immigration law enforcement must respond to them. The president must lead on this issue. It is so bad now that state and local officers don’t even bother to call.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 08:06 AM | Link to this

Finally, the liberals are starting to make their position on immigration clear for all to see:

Also Tuesday, Mexico warned that it would file lawsuits in U.S. courts if National Guard troops being sent to the border become directly involved in detaining migrants.

File lawsuits with who? Do they know some pinko judge like the gays do?

More than 6,700 motion sensors on fences and under the ground along the southern border from Texas to California are supposed to give early warning of illegal entry. But animals often set them off. “A lot of times we end up chasing cows,” acknowledged Corina Robison, customs spokeswoman in Washington.

I guess the libs figure that “chasing cows” is a bigger problem then some terrorist with a nuke walking across into San Diego.

Thanks for letting us know where you stand on our future.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this

Even the polls cited by USA Today, could only come up with a 51 to 43 percent disapproval by Americans of the NSA database, as initially reported by the paper. Nowhere the same attention was given to Question 7 in the poll: “If you knew the federal government had those phone records, would you be very concerned, somewhat concerned, not too concerned, or not concerned at all?” Not too concerned and not concerned at all were 64 percent of respondents. By contrast, just 35 percent were very concerned or somewhat concerned.

The latter result was also borne out by a Washington Post-ABC poll conducted the day the USA Today story was all over the news. It turned out that 65 percent of Americans think it is more important for the government to investigate terrorist threats than to never intrude on their privacy.

By Lord Help Us

May 17, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this

Thanks ML!

Finally a Toon that dovetails with my favorite tagline:

It’s The Competence, STUPID!!

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 08:09 AM | Link to this

So much for the will of the people:

Gay marriage ban voided Sonji Jacobs – Staff Wednesday, May 17, 2006 A Fulton County Superior Court judge on Tuesday struck down the state’s gay marriage ban, a constitutional amendment overwhelmingly approved by Georgia voters in 2004. It doesn’t matter want you want it’s all about what they want for you.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this

Can mutual deterrence of the sort that saved humanity during the Cold War be effective here? Such an assumption is doubtful. The motives that move Iran’s leadership are fundamentally religious, and rational considerations play little, if any, role. Consider the fact that Iran’s president is not deterred by the fact that “wiping off” Israel would inevitably mean “wiping off” tens of thousands of devout Palestinian Muslims - for whom this jihad is ostensibly launched. Furthermore, Iran’s president must take into consideration the possibility of some sort of Israeli reprisal on Iran especially after Shimon Peres’s blunt warning to this effect, but that knowledge does not seem to cool his fervor. Indeed, Iran’s policy on nuclear armament and its threats to annihilate Israel elevates the ideas of suicide bombers to the level of national strategy.

By leroy

May 17, 2006 08:11 AM | Link to this

After watching the documentary “Loose Change,” I did something that’s still bothering me.

First I looked up images of the plane crash at the World Trade. Thousands are online, of course, since it was the biggest plane-crash event in history.

Then, I tried to find one picture of airplane wreckage at the Pentagon. No such picture exists anywhere. You can see the Pentagon burning, but no plane! No wings, no tail section, nothing. There is one engine much too small for a commercial airliner, and a small piece that looks like the nose of a missile. But no pictures of any crashed airplane.

Then I tried to find one picture of the United 93 wreckage. No picture of that exists, either, only a picture of a small hole in the ground. Again, no tail section, no wings, no fuselage, no engines, nothing.

Neither of these events appear to be plane crashes. Please prove me wrong! I am freaked out right now. Why are there no images of two of the four most famous plane crashes in history?

By leroy

May 17, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

After watching the documentary “Loose Change,” I did something that’s still bothering me.

First I looked up images of the plane crash at the World Trade. Thousands are online, of course, since it was the biggest plane-crash event in history.

Then, I tried to find one picture of airplane wreckage at the Pentagon. No such picture exists anywhere. You can see the Pentagon burning, but no plane! No wings, no tail section, nothing. There is one engine much too small for a commercial airliner, and a small piece that looks like the nose of a missile. But no pictures of any crashed airplane.

Then I tried to find one picture of the United 93 wreckage. No picture of that exists, either, only a picture of a small hole in the ground. Again, no tail section, no wings, no fuselage, no engines, nothing.

Neither of these events appear to be plane crashes. Please prove me wrong! I am freaked out right now. Why are there no images of two of the four most famous plane crashes in history?

By Lord Help Us

May 17, 2006 08:14 AM | Link to this

Again, Like I Said:

It’s The Competence, STUPID!!

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 08:22 AM | Link to this

Here’s a classic example of why people who can’t control their feelings do not need to be in control of anything else:

By leroy May 17, 2006 08:14 AM Neither of these events appear to be plane crashes. Please prove me wrong! I am freaked out right now. Why are there no images of two of the four most famous plane crashes in history?

If you’re being sincere, leroy, then you need to first study physics.

The cockpit voice recorder recovered from the crash site of the hijacked airliner which came down in Pennsylvania has been sent to the manufacturer to try to extract information.

If any of you crackpots can remember Valuejet, it didn’t even leave a ripple in the water surface of the swamp.

It’s The Competence, STUPID!!

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 08:30 AM | Link to this

Democrats plan to inject spirituality into agenda

A conference geared to help Democrats infuse God into their politics begins tomorrow at All Souls Unitarian Church in the District with the unveiling of a “spiritual covenant with America.”

Separation of Church and state? Can I get an Amen?

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 08:30 AM | Link to this

Why are there no images of two of the four most famous plane crashes in history?

Leroy,

Relax, dude. There are some really important things to freak out about, like GLOBAL WARMING!

Flight 92 went down in a field in Shanksville, PA. Is it possible that the local farmers didn’t have their Instamatic cameras pointed towards the sky, ready to take photos of, I don’t know, maybe cloud formations of bird migrations?

That security camera at the Pentagon? Maybe, just maybe, it is not designed to capture images of objects moving at 600 MPH?

By George

May 17, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this

Hey, here’s an idea! Why doesn’t the Federal government simpy go after the large companies hiring thousands of illegals every year??? If there was no work for the illegals, they would head home on their own. But this administrative is so connected to big business that they will never give up that wonderful cheap labor force. Big business is making a fortune on all that cheap labor and breaking unions at the same time!

By @@

May 17, 2006 08:32 AM | Link to this

I found the President’s speech to be the comprehensive plan which he promised. I hope partisan politics will get out of the way and finally do something about this long-standing problem.

My understanding is that the National Guard is a shoring up behind Border Patrol and will be utilized in construction, training, and implementation of technology. Who better to address this need?

When I think about the Border Patrol agents who have been killed on duty in the past, without outrage from previous administrations, it’s obvious where their priorities were. Something is better than nothing.

By leroy

May 17, 2006 08:37 AM | Link to this

But I mean images of the wreckage after the crash. I wouldn’t expect live video.

By leroy

May 17, 2006 08:41 AM | Link to this

Andy-

Your link proves my point. No airplanes at all in either of those pictures.

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

Andy,

How about: It’s the SANITY stupid!

While Goldie and friends all cluck like hens about the end of true conservativsm (like Pat Buchanan?), they have failed to notice the succesful coup that took place at the Democrat Party by the inmates at the asylum.

It’s like the vast majority of the Dems dropped acid or ate too many brownies and never recovered from a really bad trip.

By Scooter

May 17, 2006 08:46 AM | Link to this

Leroy, imagine what X tons of metal, traveling at 500 plus miles per hour, would do when it collides with a layered concrete structure. Think kinetic energy, friction and inertia.

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this

Leroy,

The impact and explosion vaporized most of the wreckage. BUT, there are photos of some pieces of that survived the Pentagon flight’s wreckage.

Really, what looney fantasies are you imagining? I’d love to hear them.

I find it amazing that the Left refuses to connect the dots between Al Qaeda and Iraq, but every completely implausible conspiracy theory is eagerly lapped up.

By Lord Help Us

May 17, 2006 08:52 AM | Link to this

No acid or brownies (but, alas, I did inhale…). Lately, it’s the oxycontin that is causing my delusions. Man, that stuff is wicked, ask Rush.

It’s The Competence, Stupid!!

By leroy

May 17, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

So both planes completely vaporized?

If you look at the Pentagon picture in Andy’s link, you’ll see that the stricken portion of the Pentagon is still in flames and the roof has not yet collapsed. So there should be pieces of an airplane right there at the impact. Again, no wings, no tail, nothing.

Airliners are made of tons and tons of carbon fiber and steel. They do not vanish when they crash. Look at any other plane crash on land. Huge pieces of stuff left everywhere.

I could maybe understand if there was little or no wreckage from ONE plane, but BOTH planes on the same day?

I don’t have a “conspiracy theory” worked out. I’m just pointing out the obvious here. It’s there for anyone who looks.

By JT

May 17, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

Leroy-I’ve always found Popular Mechanics to be a reliable and unbiased source of information when it comes to matters of structural engineering.

Read the whole article, beginning to end. It should give you the explanation your looking for.

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 09:00 AM | Link to this

Leroy,

Sigh. Try this

Or this from Popular Mechanics

When you’re done with that, try reading this

Isn’t learning fun?

By getalife

May 17, 2006 09:02 AM | Link to this

They showed two more images on CNN showing something hitting the ground in front of the building and not the building itself (like ml’s Kennedy toon with the car).

It could have been a plane but the reporter said these images would not put the conspiracy therioes to rest. I think the images should be analyzed and cleaned up to show what it was. We have the technology to do this.

By Do libs, like George 8:31, ever listen?

May 17, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

Maybe they do and then just lie to suit their story.

Third, we need to hold employers to account for the workers they hire. It is against the law to hire someone who is in this country illegally. Yet businesses often cannot verify the legal status of their employees, because of the widespread problem of document fraud. Therefore, comprehensive immigration reform must include a better system for verifying documents and work eligibility. A key part of that system should be a new identification card for every legal foreign worker. This card should use biometric technology, such as digital fingerprints, to make it tamper-proof. A tamper-proof card would help us enforce the law and leave employers with no excuse for violating it. And by making it harder for illegal immigrants to find work in our country, we would discourage people from crossing the border illegally in the first place.

Leroy-Maybe you should figure out why Wile E. Coyote never actually dies before you move up to plane crashes. Although finch/seeker & getaclue might be interested in your kook story so by all means continue.

By Lord Help Us

May 17, 2006 09:04 AM | Link to this

Here’s someone else who is rumored to have indulged in various intoxicants:

[It’s The Competence, Stupid[(http://www.dnext.com/tvhead.htm)

By leroy

May 17, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

Thanks for the Popular Mechanics links.

The story doesn’t offer any explanation of why there is no wreckage from United 93. And it says that flight 77 turned into liquid and vanished when it hit the Pentagon. Forgive me if I’m not convinced.

Again, I don’t buy into any particular conspiracy theory, but this is odd. Thanks everyone for your interest.

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 09:11 AM | Link to this

LHU,

Good - you’ve admitted that you’re brain is fried. That’s the first step.

Rush is brilliant with half his brain tied behind his back. Makes you look really dim in comparison.

BTW, can I call you, “One toke LHU”

By candide

May 17, 2006 09:13 AM | Link to this

Send Cheney to the border with his gun. Send Bush as well. Either he shoots an illegal alien or he shoots Bush. Either way we all win.

By getalife

May 17, 2006 09:14 AM | Link to this

Of course, this administration has to hide everything it does and you have to go to court to get anything released.

This feeds the conspiracy theories. All the lies does not help, there is no trust in this government plus:

It’s The Competence, STUPID!!

By leroy

May 17, 2006 09:16 AM | Link to this

Why wasn’t the hole as wide as a 757’s 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn’t punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon’s load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass.

If so, why is there no sheared-off wing outside the Pentagon, either in Andy’s link or any other picture?

By Lord Help Us

May 17, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this

Okay, let’s try the fat finger special again…

Here’s someone else who is rumored to have indulged in various intoxicants:

It’s The Competence, STUPID!!

By leroy

May 17, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this

I’m sorry, I misspoke (miswrote?) a moment ago.

According to the Popular Mechanics article quoted above, there should be WINGS (plural) on the ground in front of the Pentagon. Again, no pictures of this, anywhere.

By Lord Help Us

May 17, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this

BD,

It’s “One Toke Over The Line, Sweet Jesus,” LHU…if you please.

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

Leroy,

You sure are a fast reader!

By leroy

May 17, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

As far as the immigration topic, Bush’s plan seemed intelligent and pragmatic to me. I think both Democrats and Republicans should support this plan, which seems designed to balance the need to enforce laws with the need to recognize the existence of millions of illegals already here.

Anyone have a picture of either of those two plane wrecks yet?

By rushncap

May 17, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

Eeee-youch! Daymn, Mike, great cartoon. Man, vicious, but awesome.

By leroy

May 17, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish-

I am! I read all the points related to the Pentagon and the United 93 crash.

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

One Toke,

So you want me to add “Sweet Jesus” to your name? Nah, I don’t think so.

By getalife

May 17, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

leroy,

The jets were scrambled for those two wrecks. They should release all information in the future for history to be written on 9/11.

I do not trust anything this administration has to say.

By getalife

May 17, 2006 09:41 AM | Link to this

You have to file this in court and wait to get some information

Without it, there would be no information except the lies they spew.

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

Leroy,

Have you plowed through the third link I gave you yet? You don’t seem to have absorbed the first two, so maybe a change of subject is in order.

By Cindy

May 17, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

Andy really makes me mad when he continues to knock the military. My husband is retired Army and he served during the Vietnam era and through the Clinton years. Unlike the the feelings of Andy and Rumsfeld, the military members of the Vietnam era and the Clinton administration deserve just as much RESPECT as those under Bush. So shove it Andy!

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

Love this cartoon today, Lucko — just brilliant!

By Cindy

May 17, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

Andy really makes me mad when he continues to knock the military. My husband is retired Army and he served during the Vietnam era and through the Clinton years. Unlike the the feelings of Andy and Rumsfeld, the military members of the Vietnam era and the Clinton administration deserve just as much RESPECT as those under Bush. So shove it Andy!

By bobby

May 17, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

Regarding illegal immigrants, only 20% of the nations undocumented immigrants are from Mexico. Also, the strong reaction against illegal immigrants in Georgia requires me to make this point. Georgians need some minority group(s)to discriminate against. For 300 years, it was African-Americans. Now it is these immigrants and gays. You see, discrimination is in every Georgian’s blood - part of their heritage their always crowing about.

Finally, how does one know when a Conservative has no idea what he or she is talking about? When they start in with the personal attacks. Scroll thru all of the comments above - these people stick out like a sore thumb. I’ll say it again - please turn off your talk radio, and begin thinking for yourselves. Read about the issues, educate yourselves. That way, you don’t have to come across as a know-nothing moron who has to use words like Pinkos.

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

Leroy,

Getalife is trying to tell you that he believes our military shot those planes down.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 09:46 AM | Link to this

Attention Leroy has snapped, proceed at your own risk.

I gave the dude a link discussing the recovery of the black boxes from both sites, this had no affect on moonbat leroy, perhaps he believes the planes flew right through the Pentagon, dropping off the black box on the way and the went to get another load of passengers out from the fever swamp.

It’s impossible to tell! Only Mother Moonbat knows for sure!

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 09:49 AM | Link to this

More than 3500 Iraqi policemen have been murdered over the past 18 months.

“Freedom is on the march!”, G.W. Bush 2004

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 09:50 AM | Link to this

So Cindy, sweetheart, when I say that only 8 of the 3000 retired generals are backstabbing rancid little pinkos, what, pray tell, do you think I feel about the remaining 2992 retired generals?

So Cindy, sweetheart, when I say that only 8 of the 3000 retired generals are backstabbing rancid little pinkos, what, pray tell, do you think I feel about the remaining 2992 retired generals?

By getalife

May 17, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

BD,

No, wrong as usual. I think that is a tactic to increase posts here.

Just stating the facts, If you look at the timeline, the jets were scrambled.

I thought y’all like to get all the facts before making a decision.

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

An op-ed in today’s NY Times titled “Hostages of War” states that about 439 foreigners have been kidnapped in Iraq since the American invasion. This averages about 3 per week. This column was written by an official at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad.

Still “winning hearts and minds” in Iraq!

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

bobby: Actually, Georgia does need a couple of million more illiterates like you to keep it’s 50th place ranking in the state SAT scores. It’s not a racist deal, it’s all about pride.

Go Georgia!

By getalife

May 17, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

I see what bobby was talking about.

By leroy

May 17, 2006 10:00 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish-

I didn’t read through the Weekly Standard al-Qaeda stories as they didn’t seem relevant to my question. As for the Popular Mechanics story, reread the relevant portions yourself. No explanation is offered for the complete vaporization of United 93. According to the article, the wreckage of both plane wings should have been laying on the Pentagon lawn. It was not. No such picture exists.

The “above top secret” article does not explain what happened to the airplane wings, either.

I don’t know of any evidence that the military shot down the airliners. I would really have to see solid evidence of that.

Andy-

Thanks for the unnecessary name-calling.

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

Bobby,

I hate to disturb your reverie, but most people who live in Georgia aren’t native Georgians.You’re going to have to rework your theory that we are born bigots.

As you just demonstrated, the trick is to do it very carefully without actually using the word bigot, racist, or homophobe while getting the reader to draw your intended conclusion.

Do you work for the MSM?

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 10:02 AM | Link to this

Bobby— as a native Georgian, I can attest to your description of the discrimination here. I remember those dark days of Lester Maddox-Zell Miller-George Wallace in the ’60s when I was a youngster. Even my friends and I were all “laughing” at their stupid remarks and antics, knowing we were powerless to stop it at the time. But as adults, we must now speak out whenever we see it and get ourselves to the polls this November to make some changes in our leadership.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 10:04 AM | Link to this

Some drug legalization advocates hang their position on a lot of moral preening about the absolute right of the individual to do what he wants. But many of the same people will then argue that it is—and should be—an outrageous crime to hire an illegal immigrant. Well, conservative economic dogma considers the right to form contracts with whomever you wish to be sacrosanct. It is “the socialist society” according to the philosopher Robert Nozick, “which would have to forbid capitalist acts between consenting adults.”

By JT

May 17, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

Bobby-The state of Georgia attracts people from all over the country because of low cost of living. To assume that everybody in the state was conceived, planted and remains rooted here is somewhat absurd. We’re a nation whose residents are constantly relocating for job opportunities. Different viewpoints on issues are distributed nationwide and that includes Georgia.

Leroy-You can hang onto your “theories”, but my advice to you would be “Don’t discuss them among reasonable thinking people, even those within the Democratic Party. They’ll be looking at you funny.”

By bobby

May 17, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

Andy,

I don’t think it’s the illegal immigrants who keep the State of GA in its perpetual 50th spot for SAT scores. These are the proud children of proud, ignorant Georgians.

Also, you’re getting personal, which means you have no idea what you are talking about. Sooooooooooo predictable. Please please please stop listening to talk radio and pick up a newspaper.

By bobby

May 17, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

Andy,

I don’t think it’s the illegal immigrants who keep the State of GA in its perpetual 50th spot for SAT scores. These are the proud children of proud, ignorant Georgians.

Also, you’re getting personal, which means you have no idea what you are talking about. Sooooooooooo predictable. Please please please stop listening to talk radio and pick up a newspaper.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

leroy: You aren’t a moonbat?

Look man, the wings of an airplane are filled with jet fuel. Where do you think they stored it, in the restroom? Look at the picture of the plane hitting the building and look at the flame.

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

Oh, okay. So you mention that the jets were scrambled because……………?

It’s like I just said to Bobby, you don’t actually come out and say what you mean, just leave that up to our imagination after you’ve laid out all the “evidence”.

I do think that the Pentagon photos should have been released earlier, but if you’re a moonbat, it doesn’t matter anyway.

By Lord Help Us

May 17, 2006 10:10 AM | Link to this

One of my favorite Bush quotes:

You know, I went to Washington to solve problems, not to pass them on to future Presidents and future generations - GW Bush: Colorado Springs, Colorado, Oct. 12, 2004

It’s The Competence, STUPID!!

By Dusty

May 17, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this

Wouldn’t you know? The Clown Prince of AJC is once again trying to demean the President of his country.

His ugly little scribblings attract the fruit flies of flight—the great conspiracy hanger-ons of 9/11. Was it Big Bird? Was it Superman? Was it the Man from Mars? Ah hah, there was no autographed note from the pilot that he was flying a plane headed for the Pentagon. THAT PROVES IT! No note! No plane!

And we are supposed to believe that these people know more about running the country than our elected President?

If you are going to say “look for competent leaders”, you’d better get Luckovich to draw one for you Democrats. That would give us a clue as to what a Demo LEADER looks like. We haven’t seen one in a LONG time.

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 10:13 AM | Link to this

BuyDanish— but most people who live in Georgia aren’t native Georgians.You’re going to have to rework your theory that we are born bigots.

Maybe most ATLANTANS are not native to Georgia, but I believe outside of the Atlanta area you’ll find many more natives to Georgia than other states. Please let us know where you get your data showing otherwise.

By Leroy

May 17, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

JT-

I’m not putting forward any theory. I’m just asking for a picture of the wreckage of United 93 and one of the plane that hit the Pentagon.

Somebody, I think “Buy Danish”, gave me a link to a site called abovetopsecret.com that does have some pictures of the Pentagon that day, but no pictures of wings, engines, or anything to definitively show that an airplane crashed into the Pentagon.

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 10:17 AM | Link to this

Leroy,

It’s all about connecting the dots.

Bobby,

Poor widdle weanie doesn’t like name calling because that’s too “personal” but it’s okay to characterize the residents of an entire state (and presumably those of us who blog here) as bigots?

At least if I call you a pathetic, ignorant wuss, I’d be right, but if you label everyone a bigot, you’d be wrong.

By Building Seven

May 17, 2006 10:19 AM | Link to this

Leroy,

Do not ask why I fell, even though no plane hit me, and even though no building of my kind has ever simply fallen down before into its footprint in the same manner as a controlled demolition, unless it WAS a controlled demolition. If you ask, you are a traitor, and Andy will gut your eyes out of their sockets with his acrid breath.

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this

BuyDanish—

Do you work for Fox News?

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

booby: I would have ignored your scolding, harpy little rant if you hadn’t dragged me into it, you know, made it personal:

By bobby May 17, 2006 09:43 AM Finally, how does one know when a Conservative has no idea what he or she is talking about? When they start in with the personal attacks. Scroll thru all of the comments above - these people stick out like a sore thumb. I’ll say it again - please turn off your talk radio, and begin thinking for yourselves. Read about the issues, educate yourselves. That way, you don’t have to come across as a know-nothing moron who has to use words like Pinkos.

This is an excellent example of liberal hypocrisy, they are much smarter then the rest of us so they think we won’t notice.

Their abundant arrogance also allows them to make uneducated statements like “illegal immigration has no affect on the education system.” This is so far out in left field it leads me to believe a response would be a waste of time.

By Earl

May 17, 2006 10:25 AM | Link to this

The Clown Prince of AJC is once again trying to demean the President of his country.

CORRECTION: The Clown Prince who was appointed President once again demeans the United States of America and the fine men and women who wear the uniform in service.

May karma be with all of you who are complicit.

By Cindy

May 17, 2006 10:26 AM | Link to this

Lord Help Us,

Bush also said: Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. ~George W. Bush

We know that dictators are quick to choose aggression, while free nations strive to resolve differences in peace. ~George W. Bush

Our enemies are innovative and resourceful…They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we. ~George W. Bush

By leroy

May 17, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

Building Seven-

I’ll bite. Why did you fall down?

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Why, because Fox News is fair and balanced?

By getalife

May 17, 2006 10:32 AM | Link to this

Look up the time line BD.

It does not matter 9/11 will be in the history books.

The ending will be the impeachment of W and the damage to our democracy.

We are a young democracy, mistakes have been made but we will correct them and move on.

How is that for brutal honesty?

By Leroy

May 17, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

Cindy,

Funny quotes. I assume the first one is from before he was President?

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

Building Seven,

Just be thankful you weren’t built on the San Andreas Fault, or you might have crumbled years ago.

By rushncap

May 17, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

So li’l andy, is it safe to say that you blame your lack of any discernible education on the illegal immigrants?

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 10:35 AM | Link to this

“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice… we won’t get fooled again!”, G.W. Bush 2004

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

You’ll have to prove that Atlantans AREN’T bigots, before I waste my time fulfilling your petulant data demands.

By Midori

May 17, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

Leroy,

I couldn’t help but note how the “Party of Compassion” jumped all over you for asking a simple question and making a simple observation.

Andy - you really bring this place down.

Is that your mission in life?

To make everyone as miserable as you obviously are?

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 10:40 AM | Link to this

BD— Why, because Fox News is fair and balanced?

BAWAAAAAAAHHHHH!

Fox News is an aberration to journalism — not fair, not balanced. They’ve been the propaganda machine used by the White House since 2000. Good ole Rupert Murdoch — got his start here as an illegal immigrant!

By Building Seven

May 17, 2006 10:41 AM | Link to this

Leroy, you’re asking the wrong question. You should be asking what was inside me. But the fact that you asked makes you a traitor, because the only appropriate things to say about 9-11 are: “9-11! 9-11!” and “Praise Bush!” Andy will be at your house to punish you momentarily, and he’s bringing Dusty to whine and nag during the procedure.

By Dusty

May 17, 2006 10:42 AM | Link to this

Goldie,

Why don’t you come up with some statistics of your own?

I notice you lump a lot of past & present politicians together as bigots. Amazingly they were all DEMOCRATS. And you were laughing at their stupid antics! BUT YOU ARE STILL A DEMOCRAT.

However, the rest of Georgia voted mostly for Republicans. Keep on laughing, Goldie. You need something to give you a little cheer.

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

Getalife,

Not quite honest enough. I’d like to hear your moonbat 9/11 theories and why W should be impeached as a result. Come right out with it, please!

Enough pu*ssyfooting around.

I’m running out for most of the day. If I get back before the 5:00 curfew, I’ll happily respond later.

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

“We’ll be greeted as liberators in Iraq.” Dick “Darth Vader” Cheney, 2003

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 10:50 AM | Link to this

BD— I never said anything about Atlantans being bigots. I was simply countering your statement that “most Georgians” are not natives, and asking you to give us your source for that data. Apparently you can’t do that.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 10:51 AM | Link to this

By rushncap May 17, 2006 10:35 AM So li’l andy, is it safe to say that you blame your lack of any discernible education on the illegal immigrants?

Actually, the sentence should have been structured like this: discernible lack of education, moron.

By getalife

May 17, 2006 10:53 AM | Link to this

BD,

The new watergate, if you will.

Illegal wiretaps.

By dem quotes

May 17, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this

*”Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”

- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

By rushncap

May 17, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

No, andy, it should not have been worded the way you say. It should have been, and was, worded exactly the way I worded it. Please don’t teach me how to write, I know how far better than you.

You are still dodging the question. Are you blaming your lack of any discernible education on the illegals?

By Dubya

May 17, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

*By dem quotes May 17, 2006 10:56 AM | Link to this *”Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”

• Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 *

Well, all I can think to do is bomb the heck out of the Iraqi people.

By getalife

May 17, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

Check out the best of comments on this post

Is the one by “gotalife” funny?

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 11:11 AM | Link to this

Dusty— yes, the old Dem Party in GA was full of bigots back in the ’60s. All of those old bigots started switching themselves over to the Repugnant Party in the ’70s… into your welcoming arms, I’m sure. And we say “good riddance”!

By dem quotes

May 17, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”

- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

By AntiRadical

May 17, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this

Good toon ML. Love the “Buck Stops Here” sign. Why do the NG guys look like refugees from a Colombian FARC camp?

Good to see the blog up and running again if only on a limited basis. I rarely have any time to post during regular day hours but I know that this is an important venue for many people who are, for whatever reason, shut-ins. It is critical for those isolated by factors outside of their control to have some human interaction. I was introduced to the concept by interaction with children requiring long hospital stays.

I’m anxious to see the next generation of blogging hit the public sector. Full motion video/audio has replaced the written word and students are now attending their schools in virtual reality. The technology is already available (though too expense for individual bloggers at present) and is a wonderful adjunct in the clinical setting.

In an age when technology is eroding our personal freedoms and stifling desent (NSA) it is nice to, also, note that technology is giving a voice and comfort to those who would otherwise have none.

By finch

May 17, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

It’s pointless to throw around pre-2003, pre “Iraq has no WMDs?” quotes. I don’t care what Bush or Powell or Kerry or Gore said. They were all equally misled.

It’s clear the CIA bolloxed it. Like the CIA’s bolloxed up other notable events.

This is the same CIA that was caught with it’s pants down when the Berlin Wall fell in 1989. Outside of the 4 Carter years, the CIA had been GOP administration territory since 1969. And that’s my point. This is beyond partisan. If wingnuts stop blaming CIA stupidity over Iraq on Clinton, I’ll stop blaming CIA stupidity in 1989 on the GOP.

I’m not going to blame CIA incompetence on any political party. And at this point, after the welcome departure of Porter (this job’s too hard!) Goss, General Michael Hayden heading the CIA sounds good. Kinky Friedman heading the CIA sounds good.

Maybe Gen. Hayden can examine why the CIA continued to pander it’s “Saddam has massive WMD’s” dance long after the rest of the world, including the Brits, were questioning it. He can also look into why the Bush gang was so eager to “fix facts around the policy” when Iran has been the loose cannon in the mideast all along.

Second guessing? No. Learn from your mistakes.

By Dusty

May 17, 2006 11:34 AM | Link to this

I’ve heard of fried, green tomatoes but today we are hearing from the fried brains.

Buildings are talking. Yep! Conspiracy!

Cosmic Earl is substituting karma for thought.

Getalife wants to impeach, not only the President but the whole country for voting “wrong” (i.e. Republican).

The sky is falling on poor little Democrat Goldie.

Candide wants to change leaders at the OK Corral.

Midori makes us laugh by lecturing on how to give sweet, thoughtful observations.

But keep on posting. As ‘tis said “The show must go on.”

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

No rushnsap: I wasn’t educated in discernible, I was educated in grammar, moron.

You might want to schedule a little conference at your re education camp and discuss this^^ a bit more in depth.

Assuming, of course, that you will have time after “intact airplane crashes 101” and “buildings that have larger buildings falling on them starting huge fires that destroy the internal structural supports but yet still remain standing in the fever swamp Phyco Ed.”

Goofballs.

Midori- By Midori May 17, 2006 10:39 AM Andy - you really bring this place down. After careful consideration, I’ve decided that I can do nothing to help you with your mental instability except change political affiliations and there is like zero chance that that will ever happen.

suggest Wellbutrin.

By Scooter

May 17, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

Finch, have we no blame for Saddam’s deception of the world or do we simply prefer to maintain the “paper tiger” image of denial?

By Cindy

May 17, 2006 11:42 AM | Link to this

Excellent Dem quotes! I hope you really do understand them. Gore was right on about Saddam’s search for weapons. He did seek them. But, remember everyone; he didn’t have them and couldn’t get them.

And of course Kerry was very correct. He was fed a feast of lies that Saddam did indeed have these terrible weapons. And please note he said if necessary, and the necessity has yet to occur.

Just a course in reading.

By finch

May 17, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

It’s hard to argue with the claim that a 757 hit the Pentagon on 9/11.

But FBI-Justice Department secrecy over that fuzzy Pentagon tape confuses me. Why hide tape that dovetails with your account of events? For five years?

And there are other videos from other non-military places that could have shown the crash. For starters, there’s all the cameras that Virginia’s DOT has along Shirley Highway (I-395) and Washington Boulevard (27), which link in a massive interchange right next to the Pentagon.

Here’s an aerial shot.

There were other locations with cameras nearby.

All these tapes have vanished. I still think Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, just as we’ve been told, but I have to wonder. Is anything being supressed, and if so, why?

Inquiring minds, and all that….

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

Look at this red faced pervert:

WASHINGTON (CNN) — From the Oval Office, President Clinton told the nation Wednesday evening why he ordered new military strikes against Iraq.

“Saddam (Hussein) must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons,” Clinton said.

By Daniel

May 17, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this

Rep. Don Sherwood (R) Pa. elected on a staunch Christian platform including “Family values” admitted to a five year extramarital affair! This came to light when Sherwood’s mistress reported that he got upset and was choking her! Sherwood plans another run for Congress. His campaign reported that it would abandon at least one of the Commandments in his run.

By rushncap

May 17, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

Well then, li’l andy, I’d get a refund from wherever it is that you supposedly learned grammar. They cheated you. Which is why you have no discernible education. It’s kind of amusing when you start picking on correct grammar and attempting to correct it with wrong grammar. Shades of Quail, mayhaps?

Finch — I disagree that this whole thing is just CIA’s fault. I explicitely remember the story from Woodward’s book about Tenet presenting the “Iraq=WMD” case to Bush and even Bush going “Is this the best you got?!” This spawned the now-infamous “slam-dunk” quote by Tenet, but what people forget that not even someone as obviously stupid (by Presidential standards, at the very least) as Shrub Jr. bought the CIA’s case. And yet he still went ahead and invaded, even though he knew that the evidence was flimsy at best. The CIA goofed, sure. But that does nothing to let Bush & Co. off the hood.

By Dusty

May 17, 2006 12:00 PM | Link to this

Cindy,

Are you saying that Kerry did NOT vote to go to war with Iraq? He did.

As to your “feast of lies”, all of our top officials were fed the same “feast” as Bush. They ALL voted the same.

Maybe YOU should read something with an “open mind” instead of trying to incriminate the president.

By Abe

May 17, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

Andy. You pathetic, psychopathic, runty little punk. You would call be “dude” one time and I would personally introduce you to the speed of sound. Across a room, a parking lot, whatever, wherever. If you want so badly to be a Black, why not borrow the guts of a Black and give it a REAL try? You couldn’t do it mentally or physically. You are now and forever nothing more/less than a common chunk of rightwing white trash. You keep forgetting that fact. Stay in your proper lowly place in life - that den of hate and ignorance and servitude in which you dwell.

By Daniel

May 17, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

rushncap & finch: This discussion can be rapped up in the words of US Army Combat General Newbold on Bush and his cronies on Iraq. “These decisions were made by men who have not had to account for their mistakes or bury the results”

By finch

May 17, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

It’s a shame Wall Street Journal sites are subscription only.

If they weren’t everyone here could read how the US used “speak softly but carry a big stick” diplomacy after the Iraq invasion to defang Libya and Khadaffi.

From pariah to full diplomatic relations in 3 years. This for a guy who blew at least two planes out of the sky, including Pan Am 103.

The two part series, concluding today, is by Judith Miller, the ex NYT reporter jailed in Plame-gate, which may not may not give it added credibility. But it’s still a good read.

The Lybia gambit could have worked with Iraq, if the Bush gang hadn’t been so hot for a war.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

rushnsap:

*dis·cern·i·ble- adj. Perceptible, as by the faculty of vision or the intellect education.

Thank you for noticing my education, moron.

By Dusty

May 17, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

FRIED, SCRAMBLED BRAINS and then there was ABE. Perfect example.

By getalife

May 17, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this

“But I’m the decider, and I decide what’s best.”

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

abe: Whenever, wherever.

By rushncap

May 17, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

Wow, all this time I thought li’l andy had no idea what the term “discernible” means. I did not fully appreciate the fact that he has no idea what the term “no” means.

I’ll go over this very very slowly, li’l andy, so that there is a chance, albeit a tiny one, that you will follow me. When I said that you have “lack of discernible education” that means that “any education that you might have had at some point in your life was not visible, obvious, or, to use the definition you provided ‘perceptible’ to anyone on this board”. To put it yet another way, “lack of discernible education” means “you either have no education whatsoever, or the one that you have is so meager and insignificant that it is irrelevant”. You see, the term “lack of” means “absense” or “nonexistence of”.

Now I know I used a lot of grown-up words there, li’l andy, but if you carefully go over each one, look them up in a dictionary, and maybe ask your mommy, I think even you can figure out what I was saying there.

By Daniel

May 17, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

James Tobin, former head of the New Hampshire Republican Party faces 8 years in prison. Tobin was convicted of jamming the telephone lines of the democratic party on election day! Tobin, a self described christian, adopted a defense that liberals made him do it. One New Hampshire political observer said that he hoped, “Tobin would be given a lot of time to pray”.

By rushncap

May 17, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this

Lol, did li’l andy turn into Shakira? Shudder

By Tom

May 17, 2006 12:22 PM | Link to this

Back to work at your menial chores, DUSTY. As usual, dirtbag, you are cheating your “employer” by living on his/her computer instead of screwing off some other way. Leaching off the rest of society. Filled to the brim w anger, jealousy, resentment, as a result of your life of failures. It’s actually quite simple to figure a mentality such as yours. Yet you can’t even successfully perform that. A lifetime of losing will do that - you are living proof.

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 12:23 PM | Link to this

You see, discrimination is in every Georgian’s blood - part of their heritage their always crowing about.

Goldie,

I’m back for one minute - just enough time to address a*ssinine request. The above ^^ quote is from your team member “Bobby”. That bigoted statement is what I (and others responded to).

If you have any questions about Georgia’s demographic data, by all means, direct them to him. I would suggest bringing your finest lice comb along with you so you can nitpick his salacious arguments with your characteristic attention to detail.

Please! Go for it.

By Cindy

May 17, 2006 12:26 PM | Link to this

Nobody “voted” to go to war. They voted to allow Bush to use force if necessary. The point is that all wanted to protect the U.S. if the situation arose…which it never did. It was not necessary.

Oh, and Bush selected his intelligence, then deceived the populace using this “screened” information. Please be open to the fact that he was briefed on the “other side” and chose not give that information to the public.

By finch

May 17, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

rushncap…

I agree. The CIA has been chronically incompetent, but it’s a President’s responsibility to vet the intelligence he’s given. Bush abdicated his authority as President when he let himself get railroaded into a bloody, expensive and unnecessary war.

I don’t think Bush is evil. But he’s not smart, and he’s not a leader when he rubberstamps crucial decisions made by subordinates who have no responsibility to citizens.

The light’s on, but nobody’s home.

By Daniel

May 17, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

Thanks Cindy. You could not be more on target. You have stated the national betrayal by the Bush government. The toads continue to dredge up stray comments to justify the Bush deception. The double cross could not be more clear. Nobody trusts Bush. Nobody believes him. It’s over.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

O.K. we’ll start this all over again from the top so that rushnsap can scramble around trying to una-ss himself:

By rushnsap May 17, 2006 10:35 AM So li’l andy, is it safe to say that you blame your lack of any discernible education on the illegal immigrants?

By rushncap May 17, 2006 12:17 PM Wow, all this time I thought li’l andy had no idea what the term “discernible” means. I did not fully appreciate the fact that he has no idea what the term “no” means.

If you had used the word “no” then I would not have made you look like a jack leg, mouth breathing, uneducated socialist like I did, moron.

By RW-(the original)

May 17, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

Way to go you guys! Two extra hours for good behavior.

Buy Danish,

Anyone arguing that the demographics of small town Georgia are all or evenly mostly native Georgians have never been out to look with their own eyes. It might be true of traceable people, but it sure isn’t reality.

Goldie,

You might be a welcome new addition here if you can make an attempt at toning down the arrogance. In any case I hope you continue to put forth these notions of yours here for all to read.

rushncap,

I see you were trying to show blog muscles to another woman yesterday. I hope if anyone is ever stupid enough to marry you they survive the beatings. You are turning into a real punk, which doesn’t mix well with your misguided superiority complex.

8 to 5 Andy (or is it 8 to 7 now),

Feel free to post your early AM news links at my place. They were the most refreshing part of this whole blog.

Back to the beach and an icy cold refreshment! Carry on.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

By finch May 17, 2006 12:07 PM It’s a shame Wall Street Journal sites are subscription only.

Opinion Journal, where the subject article is posted, is free. All you have to do is register, Mr. Know It All.

By dem quotes

May 17, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members …It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”

- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

By Dizty

May 17, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

Now you sure don’t want to go there do you? I’m telling you, those actions are not equal to words.

By kimberly

May 17, 2006 12:51 PM | Link to this

Cindy, you’re right. My daddy was a fighter pilot and served honorably both full-time in the 60’s and then in the Alabama Air National Guard in 72-73 (never saw the Bush boy either), and he is utterly sickened by not only this administration, but the so-called patriotic Americans who have personally and publicly trashed everything America once stood for defending the actions their precious boy king. The truth does not support their cause, so they attack the truth-seekers instead.

BTW, Daddy has seen LOTS of plane crashes, and said the Pentagon photos don’t add up.

By getalife

May 17, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

In a late-night vote last year, lawmakers had boosted their salaries by up to 54 percent, with no public hearing or floor debate. They later repealed the raises under pressure, but the damage was done

Typical GOP leadership.

By Midori

May 17, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

the other “elephant in the room”.

Is there NO event/occurrance in which Bush doesn’t try to militarize?

He acts as if the National Guard is his very own security guard.

He’s deployed thousands in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He also tried to take over New Orleans after Katrina, by way of the guard.

Good thing Blanco stood up to him.

Now the same with the Mexican border.

Maybe if he paid more attention when he was in the Guard and didn’t go AWOL, he’d have a better understanding and/or appreciation of its mission.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

RW: Eat some fresh scallops for me, my goodness, that’s one of the best parts of being Fla.

By rushncap

May 17, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

Li’l andy, I was pretty sure you still would not understand the 4 rather simple words I used. Well, hey, not everyone can finish 3rd grade. People like you are just as valuable to our society — you remind us what happens when we don’t educate ourselves.

RW — I really have no idea what you are talking about, nor do I care in the least. You’re a little maggot (I mean that in the nicest possible way, don’t get your Speedo in a bunch), so the worst you can really do is lay some eggs. And don’t worry about my future wife, I will never hit a woman, or a mentally retarded person. So you, li’l andy and Danish are all safe. Oh, and now I have a superiority complex, Dr. RW? Whatever happened to last week’s supposed inferiority complex? You gotta be more consistent here, Doc. Otherwise you run the risk of not being taken seriously as a psychiatric health care provider.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

Danish: My daddy crossed the Delaware with Washington and then fought the Japs in Tarawa winning the Titanium Star and he thinks Bush is the greatest President in History. He said Clinton sucks, when I ask him which one, he said how can you tell them apart?

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

rushnsap: O.K. I’ll quit pounding on you and your big expensive re education. Go now and pick a fight with some women.

By finch

May 17, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

“Opinion Journal, where the subject article is posted, is free. All you have to do is register, Mr. Know It All.”

Wrong.

When I logout of WSJ and try to read the Judith Miller article on Libya, I get this.

If you want to loan the non WSJ subscribers here the $99 registration fee, be my guest.

BTW, Judith also notes how Libya’s nuclear program was far more advanced when Khadaffi capitulated than Iran’s is now. The US and Russians had to use military transports to fly all the centrifuges and yellowcake out of Tripoli. But they did.

See what a little patience and diplomacy can do? Much cheaper than a war.

By rushncap

May 17, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

andy andy andy… I think I’ve made it abundantly clear, me and you differ a bit here. I don’t consider beating women a pasttime, or even a funny subject of conversation. You obviously do. So leave me out of this. I think you and RW obviously have some issues, but I have no desire to be party to your women-beating conversation.

By ConDem

May 17, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

The guard in NO was the only thing that brought that city out of chaos during Katrina. Would Midori rather they have been left in the hands of the bumbling Mayor and Governor?

Please, that statement was politically motivated and lacked appreciation of the situation there.

By kimberly

May 17, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

Andy, how sad that the truth about your father is so bad you have to make stuff up. If there actually were such a thing as a “compassionate conservative” I imagine he/she/it would give you a hug.

By RW-(the original)

May 17, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

Hmm..it looks free to me. Of course I’m not the all knowing finch. I just did what Andy said and looked at opinion journal and there it was waving in the breeze saying “read me, read me. No charge.”

Punk rushncap,

Go read your previous posts from other toons unless you are now telling us you are also Sybil.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

finch: I’ve never paid a nickel to the Opinion Journal, why would I, when it’s free? I’m not rushnsap after all.

Try this link, if you can’t see the article, just give them the info they want, your in.

By Daniel

May 17, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

finch: Libya is the example on how to do it right. RWR dropped a few bombs on Khadaffi. He got the message. Now, he’s a boy scout. There was minimal, but extremely effective American involvement. There was no loss of American life. No troops on the ground. It was also cost effective. GWB, on the other hand, fosters deception nurtured by incompetence. America will pay dearly for the excesses of Bush.

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

We all knew that Saddam Hussein was an evil dictator, as are many other leaders around the world. However, the Dems never started a pre-emptive war on Iraq because we knew we had too many conficting reports from the CIA analysts saying that Saddam was only huffing and bluffing about WMDs. We had inspections done on the ground in Iraq and they confirmed that Saddam had no stockpiles. Bush and his goons had these same reports when coming to Washington DC in 2001, yet they decided to find a way to start that damn war — that war that their advisers had been planning since the ’90s and way before Sept. 11th.

No matter how many quotes you post here from Dems stating that Saddam Hussein was evil, nowhere do you hear the drumbeat of “war, war — war is the only answer” coming from the Dems, as opposed to what we got from the Repugs.

The Repugs can truly be proud of themselves now — starting a war against a country that didn’t even have the manpower or weaponry to fight back when we invaded. And it wasn’t because of “bad intelligence”, other than what was being manufactured by the White House.
So much to be proud of. So many dead Americans, Iraqis, and others, all because that’s how your party chooses to “solve complex problems” (as described by one of you Repugs yesterday).

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

We all knew that Saddam Hussein was an evil dictator, as are many other leaders around the world. However, the Dems never started a pre-emptive war on Iraq because we knew we had too many conficting reports from the CIA analysts saying that Saddam was only huffing and bluffing about WMDs. We had inspections done on the ground in Iraq and they confirmed that Saddam had no stockpiles. Bush and his goons had these same reports when coming to Washington DC in 2001, yet they decided to find a way to start that damn war — that war that their advisers had been planning since the ’90s and way before Sept. 11th.

No matter how many quotes you post here from Dems stating that Saddam Hussein was evil, nowhere do you hear the drumbeat of “war, war — war is the only answer” coming from the Dems, as opposed to what we got from the Repugs.

The Repugs can truly be proud of themselves now — starting a war against a country that didn’t even have the manpower or weaponry to fight back when we invaded. And it wasn’t because of “bad intelligence”, other than what was being manufactured by the White House.
So much to be proud of. So many dead Americans, Iraqis, and others, all because that’s how your party chooses to “solve complex problems” (as described by one of you Repugs yesterday).

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 01:28 PM | Link to this

rushnsap: You obviously see the wrong in your abusing the women on this blog but denying it is not going to correct the situation.

I believe you owe an apology to not only her but to RW and myself, as we are only attempting to help you with your mental disorder.

By rushncap

May 17, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this

What would that accomplish, Doc RW? I’ve read my posts. Hell, I’ve even written them. I don’t need the narcissistic pleasure of re-reading, ad nauseum, everything I’ve ever typed.

By Dusty

May 17, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Oh yes, a little patience and diplomacy. Exactly what Chamberlain tried. His reward?After Europe was invaded came the Battle of Britain.

All of you who had rather be invaded here than fight in Iraq, read up on Neville Chamberlain He tried with good intentions but they meant nothing to an empire-crazy dictator like Hitler or Sadaam .

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Libya is the example on how to do it right. RWR dropped a few bombs on Khadaffi. He got the message. Now, he’s a boy scout.

Dropped a few bombs? He blew half the guys family away, killed his daughter. Are you libs sanctioning the murder of innocents now?

Of course not, you’re just proving to us how you will say anything as long as you satisfy your rabid, obsessive, mental hatred of George Bush. See:

By Goldie May 17, 2006 01:24 PM So much to be proud of. So many dead Americans, Iraqis, and others, all because that’s how your party chooses to “solve complex problems” (as described by one of you Repugs yesterday).

Bomb them, don’t bomb them. Clinton said Iraq was bad but he didn’t mean it, he had his fingers crossed behind his back, mulligan! mulligan! but that Bush lied! Lied! I tell you.

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

W is really smart to be going after “those leakers” in the media. Turns out that his data-mining through our phone records is to catch anyone who’s leaking info to the press. What happened to “we’re only monitoring those calls to Al Qaeda”? So much for the war on “terrrr” — apparently, it’s more important to not have all of the criminal acts going on in the White House and Pentagon revealed to America’s citizens.

Yeah, real smart to be going after the media — that tactic worked so well for Nixon, too.

By Ralph

May 17, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

Well now. The DUSTMITE seems exceptionally agitated this day. Probably because his unemployment check didn’t show up. His is a very, very old story. Life’s most loathsome losers attempt to desperately identify somehow with the billionaires of the country. Thus adopt the politics of hate. Living a totally false life, too stupid to realize they forever vote against their own little personal & financial interests. Playing a “role.” Unemployed because no one will have or keep them. Then comes even more self-hatred and bitterness towards others. The cycle is unending and the purveyors easily identifiable. This unfortunate blog is loaded with such inferior lifeforms.

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

Alright, all of you beautiful, liberal women— looks like Paul McCartney may be back in the dating scene before too long!

Woo-hoooo!!!!!

By Daniel

May 17, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

Thanks for the WSJ link. There’s an excellent article by Peggy Noonan, she should know, on just how the republican party has lost its way.

By Dusty

May 17, 2006 01:48 PM | Link to this

What honesty! Rushncap doesn’t re-read his posts because they make him nauseous.

Amazing! They make us feel the same way.

By finch

May 17, 2006 01:49 PM | Link to this

From the ‘hell freezes over’ category, thank you Andy.

Part 2 of Judith Miller’s WSJ article on how the US helped to peacefully disarm Libya is here.

By Sneak

May 17, 2006 01:56 PM | Link to this

HeHe. I’ve been calling Pakistan. Oh nobody in particular (I don’t know anyone there), just jacking with the constitution buster dudes. Will they be watching my house? Boring!

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

George W. Bush is neither “compassionate” nor “conservative.”

Discuss.

By Dusty

May 17, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

Ralph, Bill, Tom, Dick & Harry,

I see you stopped scratching long enough to post. MITES bothering you? Try a little Sevin. It works wonders on all kinds of critters.

By rushncap

May 17, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

It’s unfortunate truth makes you want to retch, Dusty. Don’t think I’ll stop posting it simply because it makes you uncomfortable, however.

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

Dusty— why Iraq? Why not Saudi Arabia or the United Arab Emirates? You know, two of the countries who were funding Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Why not go after those two countries instead?

Your man Bush has already said that there was no connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq, so why invade Iraq?

By Dusty

May 17, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

Goldie is neither obliging or observative.

Fuss and cuss.

In the meantime, au revoir!

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 02:30 PM | Link to this

Dusty— In the meantime, au revoir!

Sounds more like “cut and run.”

By The Pink Lady

May 17, 2006 02:33 PM | Link to this

Little Andy: Just so you know I totally skip over your six to ten post beginning at 8:00 a.m.

I am so glad you are limited from 8 til 5. Maybe you can have time for a shower.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 02:45 PM | Link to this

By The Pink Lady May 17, 2006 02:33 PM Little Andy: Just so you know I totally skip over your six to ten post beginning at 8:00 a.m.

It isn’t hard to tell.

I am so glad you are limited from 8 til 5. Maybe you can have time for a shower.

Sounds like you would like to join me in the shower ;-). I’d love to but I’m a family man. It’s too bad because I could get you off that pinko addiction.

By C-more

May 17, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

Blondie,

Saudi and the UAE haven’t been breaking UN resolutions for the past 12 years.

By Liberal Texas Democrat

May 17, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

“By 8 To 5 Andy May 17, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this Libya is the example on how to do it right. RWR dropped a few bombs on Khadaffi. He got the message. Now, he’s a boy scout.

Dropped a few bombs? He blew half the guys family away, killed his daughter. Are you libs sanctioning the murder of innocents now?”

And there you have it, straight from 8 to 5 Andy’s fingertips to your monitors. RWR murdered innocents in Libya. The great communicator had to resort to the murder of innocents

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 03:04 PM | Link to this

Here’s another one to skip, Miss Pink:

For a sense of the Earth-shaking tone the anchors used against Bush, here’s how NBC anchor Brian Williams began his broadcast in 2006: “It started on page one of USA Today and exploded all over the morning news.” The “super-secret National Security Agency is using phone company records, just about all the phone calls made in this country, to build a massive database of phone calls and e-mails.”

Ten years ago, when the Clinton administration was rifling through the FBI files of former Republican officials, it was extremely distasteful to object. Here is Brian Williams in June of 1996, after the White House admitted collecting FBI reports on 338 GOP officials (later revised upward to more than 900), and after Bob Dole compared it to Nixon’s enemies list: “The politics of Campaign ‘96 are getting very ugly, very early. Today Bob Dole accused the White House of using the FBI to wage war against its political enemies, and if that sounds like another political scandal, that’s the point.”

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 03:09 PM | Link to this

LTD: Unintentionally, bombs can’t see.

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 03:21 PM | Link to this

“Wow— wow, what an honor. The White House correspondents’ dinner! To actually sit here, at the same table with my hero, George W. Bush, to be this close to the man. I feel like I’m dreaming. Somebody pinch me! You know what? I’m a pretty sound sleeper — that may not be enough. Somebody shoot me in the face!”

—Stephen Colbert, April 29th

By Real Conservatives Aren't Republican

May 17, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

It’s amusing to see the Republi-excusers condemn themselves with Democrat quotes that appear to completely support Bush in his lead-in to the Iraq War.

The faithful few Bush supporters seem to have definitively proven that Democrats are able to set aside partisan politics and support the other party in favor of the country at large. Even now, the Democrats are the largest supporters of the President in his illegal alien initiative while members of his own (Republican) party endlessly rake him over the coals.

Too bad that the Republicans are no longer able to act in a non-partisan manner or to admit when they have “screwed the pooch” as Reagan did in the aftermath to Iran-Contra!

The voter will forgive a mistake (as they did Reagan) but they will not tolerate the arrogant inability to admit error and correct it that has been demonstrated by the Republican extremists currently in power.

By Jason Leopold

May 17, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

At least somebody believed me

Anonymous said…

Getalife,

Midori here.

It’s a shame about ML’s blog - just wanted to check in with you to let you know that Fitzmas has finally arrived!!!

Rove has been indicted!!

By C-more

May 17, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

Real Con,

Really, where are the numbers for the Dem support of Bush’s immigration plan? I wasn’t aware they had taken a vote on a plan or even put one on the table yet. Is that your proof of partisanship?

By getalife

May 17, 2006 03:41 PM | Link to this

Thanks for visiting my blog Jason.

There were folks skeptical at kos and the HP due to the source.

There were others who believed it too.

By Conservatives are dumb

May 17, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this

Why are Conservatives by and large so dumb? Conservatives always seem to think that the whole world revolves around them, yet they don’t even posses the intellect to understand the world around them.

I know that most of the rank and file conservatives drones live in a bubble, but you would think that at some point they would pull their heads out of their behinds and see that the world they are trying to make is going to hell.

Although that is asking a bit much out of such obvious intellectual feather weights, I mean they can’t even accept a simple concept like evolution because that involves observing the world around them and not destroying it. I guess if I were to rape and pillage the world, start unjust wars and exploit people for economic gain I would need to be told to believe in a fairy tale religion that allows me to do whatever I want to whoever I want my entire life only to accept Jesus as my savior with my dying breath and have everything I have done be forgiven so I can spend eternity in Heaven.

Conservatives will blindly believe anything that will justify their atrocities. I would say ingorance is bliss, but most conservatives are just angry white men who are trying to make up for their anatomical shortcomings.

By Conservatives are dumb

May 17, 2006 03:51 PM | Link to this

Why are Conservatives by and large so dumb? Conservatives always seem to think that the whole world revolves around them, yet they don’t even posses the intellect to understand the world around them.

I know that most of the rank and file conservatives drones live in a bubble, but you would think that at some point they would pull their heads out of their behinds and see that the world they are trying to make is going to hell.

Although that is asking a bit much out of such obvious intellectual feather weights, I mean they can’t even accept a simple concept like evolution because that involves observing the world around them and not destroying it. I guess if I were to rape and pillage the world, start unjust wars and exploit people for economic gain I would need to be told to believe in a fairy tale religion that allows me to do whatever I want to whoever I want my entire life only to accept Jesus as my savior with my dying breath and have everything I have done be forgiven so I can spend eternity in Heaven.

Conservatives will blindly believe anything that will justify their atrocities. I would say ingorance is bliss, but most conservatives are just angry white men who are trying to make up for their anatomical shortcomings.

By Real Conservatives Aren't Republican

May 17, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

C-more: There is no poll that I know of. Do you really need one?

The Democrats have been universally releasing statements to the effect that the President’s proposal is probably the best bipartisan solution. A large segment of extremist Republican legislators, however, have derided the President’s proposal as promoting amnesty.

FYI: Senate OKs Border Fence, Backs Citizenship The measure won easy approval due to BIPARTISAN support!

By getalife

May 17, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

Brutal honesty from a great American patriot.

It would be great if all politicians spoke the truth without the bs.

By Midori

May 17, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this

Getalife: Update on the Rove indictment story

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

“When we talk about war, we’re really talking about peace.” G.W. Bush, 2003

No wonder Repubs just don’t get it.

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

Thanks, getalife — John Murtha really understands what we’re facing in Iraq. And nothing coming from W but to “stay the course”, even though most Americans now believe we are way off course.

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 04:15 PM | Link to this

Conservatives are D— you make some good points, but I would disagrees with your use of the term “conservatives” — they now call themselves neo-conservatives because they’ve changed their focus from small government to BIG government and snooping into the private lives of American citizens. Oh, and no more “fiscal responsibility” — that term belongs entirely to the Dems now!

By getalife

May 17, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this

Thanks Midori,

That is a wild story. I would not be surprised if Corallo and Luskin are lying. Rove has been making a lot of appearances lately.

By Pay Triutt

May 17, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

Yes, Bush is keeping the Guard up. How DARE you question him?

By Spike

May 17, 2006 04:30 PM | Link to this

Bill - yesterday you did a nice remembrance of one of Talladega Danish’s many past vapid stupidities. I remember that one. I have only one small critique. You said Hog Danish’s actions are like those of “a scalded ape.” Don’t you really think that’s an insult to APES everywhere??

By Goldie

May 17, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

“Too many OB/GYN’s are not able to practice their love with women all across this country.” G.W. Bush, 2004

?????? What?

By nohilary

May 17, 2006 04:44 PM | Link to this

Leroy wrote, “Neither of these events appear to be plane crashes. Please prove me wrong! I am freaked out right now. Why are there no images of two of the four most famous plane crashes in history?”

It’s actually pretty simple. In the vast majority of plane crashes, the pilot is trying to prevent the plane from crashing, resulting in slower speeds, thus, larger pieces of the plane remain intact. They sometimes have the opportunity to burn off fuel as well. On 9/11, the lunatics at the controls were intentionally crashing the planes at full speed. When something as large as an airliner slams into the ground at 600 MPH and full of jet fuel, there is nothing left. Try slowing down and thinking about things for yourself before believing every left-wing conspiracy theorist that rambles incoherently on his blog.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

By Conservatives are dumb May 17, 2006 03:51 PM

Let me see if I got this correct, basically, Conservatives get married, become Christians, raise families, live clean wholesome lives, spread freedom and democracy in the Middle East because our thingies are too small?

Really?

This does fit an idea that a pinko would come up with.

If, as President Clinton and Attorney General Janet Reno claim, the federal government bears no responsibility for the deaths of the children at Waco, why has the federal government worked so hard, and with so much success until recently, to falsify the facts about what happened there?

That’s your legacy, lib.

By Peter

May 17, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

GAY ANDY: Are you so ignorant that you believe that insulting all the gays out there will convince anyone here that you are anything BUT a self-loathing screaming homosexual?? Get real, little maggot. Your life will not improve from the sewer until you come to grips with your total inadequacies and false existence. You’re a freak. Accept it.

By Will

May 17, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

You got that right Spike. Yeah, Gay Andy, maybe if you work real hard at it for about 10 years you can elevate yourself from the sewer all the way up to the gutter. Some of your little friends here have already done that.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this

Why do gay right’s activists insult you by calling you a homo? Am I missing something?

By 8 to 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

My name is Andy. I am a Log Cabin Republican and enthusiastic member of NAMBLA. I am a “firm” supporter of Bush, but flaccid when it comes to bush.

By finch

May 17, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Very interesting truthout link on Rove. I just wish the other shoe would drop. Or not drop. Time for Fitz to fish or cut bait.

By Buy Danish

May 17, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

Goldie,

You and Midori should really hit it off, since she hates Bush so much she may be the only person on the planet who was opposed to the National Guard restoring order in New Orleans and rescuing stranded people - among other things.

The only other group that was able to do that was the Coast Guard - another branch of the military that Midori is so opposed to using.

Midori,

Why did you even join the military if there are never any circumstances when it is appropriate to use them?

As for the border with Mexico, what do you suggest?

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 05:03 PM | Link to this

Look at this moron at 4:59, a real brilliant little hater trying to get the last post of the day in even though the blog is open till seven. What a genius, calling me a f* even though he’s the one sucking a d-ick.

By 8 To 5 Andy

May 17, 2006 05:14 PM | Link to this

Anybody can see where the hate and racism is coming from. It’s the liberals all day long, nothing but foaming at the mouth personal attacks, it’s all they know how to do. What a bunch of losers. Read back through for yourself, see what these stupid wretched little wastes of humanity had to say that was productive. Zero.

Nothing but hatred.

By Warning! Conservatives Beware!

May 17, 2006 05:41 PM | Link to this

If you are a Conservative and enter this site you will be flamed with the most stupid mindless raging liberal hate that you can imagine. And the AJC allows it. They are real democrats, during the day they say they hate discrimination but at night they dress up in their pointy little hats and burn crosses.

Be ready to experience a true liberal “diversity” program in here. These pinkos will show you who they really are.

By everyman

May 18, 2006 01:59 PM | Link to this

8to 5 andy

Puuhh leeze…..Stop the McCarthyesque rhetoric. The guy is dead 50 years. Thanks to technology, the guy in the whitehouse is a much bigger threat to the constitution than McCarthy’s hate bating.

Quite frankly after what I’ve seen, maybe we should prefer you suggested “strippers” in the white house. At least that wouldn’t have killed over 2400 brave Americans and tens of thousands unfortunate Iraqis.

And maybe if they were there, we’d have some respect in the world so radical muslims wouldnt be as galavanized in a holy war against us because of the administration’s complete disrespect for Islam.

Silly as it sounds-the past six years with this White House proves the old saying that doing something is often much more dangerous than doing nothing.