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CIA shake-up
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By Midori
May 8, 2006 09:46 PM | Link to this
snicker
:)
By RW-(the original)
May 8, 2006 09:51 PM | Link to this
You can’t put anything over on these dudes. From outside all you can see is that this is the AI backward C building. No wonder they freaked out about Valerie Plame being “outed” when she was already known to everybody.
By RW-(the original)
May 8, 2006 09:54 PM | Link to this
Midori,
That might well be the most intelligent post you’ve ever made. Congratulations.
By JP
May 8, 2006 10:06 PM | Link to this
So, are the Repugs going to use the “nuclear option” on Iran first, or on Congress?
By getalife
May 8, 2006 10:07 PM | Link to this
Well, Colonel Clink, mastermind of the NSA wiretaps, maybe DOA
By rustylynn
May 8, 2006 10:11 PM | Link to this
Anybody seen today’s AP report on declining newspaper subscriptions? Looks like readers are still dropping the AJC like hot potatoes. They are still taking the second largest hit among major papers. I guess this is especially bad for most of the left wingers in here as I suspect they work for the AJC. Keep up the excellent work! Congrats!
By Earl
May 8, 2006 10:44 PM | Link to this
Isn’t placing military pesonnel in charge of stuff one of the characteristics of a dictatorship? You know, along with the removal, through bullying and threats, of the checks and balances in place to oversee such activites and ensure governmental integrity? Just curious.
GREAT TOON, MIKE!
By @@
May 8, 2006 10:55 PM | Link to this
It’s been a long day. I’m over posting on the previous thread. I’ll just drag it over here:
Dang Andy, you shocked me with your 5:18 post (link) on the previous thread. It’s something I’m compelled to research. Thanks.
I heard early on that there were a lot of positions in the CIA filled by Clinton’s friends and associates. It bothered me at the time. I always wondered why Bush didn’t clean house then. But, if he had, I can only imagine the accusations.
For those of you who will say I’m Clinton bashing, I’m not calling his motives into question here.
I know there’s opposition to Bush’s new appointee, but I’m still curious about what’s been going on in the agency.
By JT
May 8, 2006 11:00 PM | Link to this
Earl: I’ll satisfy your curiosity. You can’t have a dictatorship when elections are held every 4 years. So you can rest easy.
By JP
May 8, 2006 11:34 PM | Link to this
Earl, no I’d suggest it’s closer to fascism.
“Fascism is associated by many scholars with one or more of the following characteristics: a very high degree of nationalism, economic corporatism, a powerful, dictatorial leader who portrays the nation, state or collective as superior to the individuals or groups composing it.”
By Rebelyell
May 8, 2006 11:43 PM | Link to this
First off, If I gotta hear about this stupid TI guy anymore I’m going to scream!! Why is the AJC writing articles about this thug everyday - do they really think people who are interested in this guy are their readership?
Second, Why is Saxby going against the prez on this one? We’re in the middle of a war and this guy shouldn’t be rocking the boat by publicy disagreeing with the commander in chief. Talk about aiding the terrorists! He might have just cost himself my vote - this is no time to play politics, he needs to get in step and get this Hayden guy appointed so we can focus on the tasks at hand!
By Amy Carter
May 8, 2006 11:43 PM | Link to this
Why are you calling my Daddy a fascist?
By WashingtonState
May 8, 2006 11:50 PM | Link to this
@@,
You need to consider the source. The same source that talks about the “leftist” CIA also wrote a whole article about how politics are intefering with energy extraction without once mentioning the pact that Florida governor Bush made with president Bush to keep drilling for oil off the Florida coast. Blame it all on the liberals, but ignore the conservative real estate interests that don’t want the possibility of sullied beaches to interfere with their profits. You really need to look at the sources of our Resident Racist’s links.
By Dusty
May 8, 2006 11:50 PM | Link to this
Oh, I got it!!! THE BLUES BROTHERS ! The Belushi boys. Looks just like ‘em! You wouldn’t know it was the two Mikes AGAIN. Oh ho!!
Luckovich and the other Mike have put on another great act over at CIA. You know. We’re security. Take off your shoes. Woohooo..we fooled ‘em! Just fun fun fun.
I don’t see the wires but they got the dark glasses with the big noses attached. Oh, they are so funny. I just laughed so hard.
Coming Next: the laughter-filled Luckovich adventure, AUSTIN POWERS AT THE WHITE HOUSE. Don’t miss the next big joke.
By Joe Roman
May 8, 2006 11:51 PM | Link to this
The C.I.A. or the Bush administration, who do you pull for? Here we have the two public organizations with the least credibility of any in the country. On one hand, before the cold war, the military controlled intelligence, but can the C.I.A. really be called a civilian entity? It’s a close call, but I think I’ll side with the C.I.A. If the Bush administration uses an outfit for a scapegoat, the scapegoat looks pretty good, but it’s an odious comparison.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Racism
May 9, 2006 04:40 AM | Link to this
The Central Intelligence Agency will continue a shift toward developing networks of agents overseas while losing some of its role in analyzing intelligence, attending elite pinko cocktail parties and attempting to undermine the government, Bush administration officials said yesterday
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Racism
May 9, 2006 04:58 AM | Link to this
@@: In light of the new cartoon, my CIA link really does need re airing:
By then, of course, the agency’s not-so-covert operations against the Iraq war were in full swing. When the administration posed questions in 2002 about intelligence reports that Saddam Hussein had sought uranium yellowcake (a potential nuclear precursor) in Niger, Valerie Plame Wilson, a CIA analyst who thought these reports were “crazy,” helped arrange to have her husband, former ambassador Joseph Wilson, sent on a CIA fact-finding mission. Though the assignment was classified, the CIA permitted Wilson to author a New York Times op-ed ripping the administration for purportedly misstating intelligence in the run-up to the war and suggesting—disingenuously, it turned out—that Joseph Wilson had found no evidence that Iraq had sought uranium from Niger. A coterie of current and former agency officers demanded the prosecution of administration officials when Plame’s status as a CIA employee—a matter that appears to have been widely known, and whose leak caused no damage to national security—was mentioned in the media. Yet this clique has been silent about damaging leaks by agency operatives who have outed themselves to serve the higher cause of attacking Bush.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Racism
May 9, 2006 05:04 AM | Link to this
It is worth noting that the “Save Darfur” protesters did not march in front of the United Nations. They rallied in Washington. Despite all of their rhetoric about the U.N., they know where the real power lies. When you need an ethnic group saved from genocidal maniacs right away, Kofi is not the guy to ask. Better to go straight to the top.
And that’s the great irony. Many on the left know that the United Nations is a crock, but they dare not admit it. The concept of the inherent goodness of the “international community” working to achieve peace and harmony through democratic means is too important to their world view and too useful to them politically.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Racism
May 9, 2006 05:07 AM | Link to this
I jumped the gun on the quote:
Under U.N. hegemony, the United States and Britain can no longer halt the slaughter of innocents simply by rattling their sabers. Murderous tyrants, protected by their allies and counterparts inside the U.N., know that the U.N. is brilliantly effective at grinding the tank treads of justice to a halt. The U.N. does not stop evil men from using the machinery of government to slaughter innocents. It only stops the good guys from intervening when that happens.
This is the world the activists of the left have created. And they love it in theory. But when it comes to preventing another genocide, they suddenly discover the value of massive armies deployed without regard for diplomatic courtesies.
I like that one better.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Racism
May 9, 2006 05:15 AM | Link to this
Why would Bush “annihilate” what is already destroyed?:
We love the notion that Porter Goss somehow crippled the CIA’s effectiveness by “politicizing” the agency. It looked to us as if the place had given up spying for politicking well before Mr. Goss took over in 2004. The leaks out of Langley the past four years are not infighting as usual; they represent a new and corrosive level of institutional disloyalty. This is a breakdown in discipline of a degree that can be very difficult to reverse once begun. Short of prosecutions, it is hard to see what General Hayden can do to get the dogs back in the kennel. And if that proves true, then let it be said that the CIA’s leakers have probably succeeded in blowing up their own agency.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Racism
May 9, 2006 05:24 AM | Link to this
The 2008 presidential candidates from both parties could help by issuing a joint statement. Or imagine if the Congress were to pass a Sense of the Congress resolution putting members of both parties on record with a simple statement of policy: “Resolved, it is and shall be the policy of the United States to support the advance of freedom and democracy in the Middle East and around the world. This policy is consistent with American values and interests.”
So which way would the pinkos vote?
By dirty sanchez
May 9, 2006 06:00 AM | Link to this
“Earl: I’ll satisfy your curiosity. You can’t have a dictatorship when elections are held every 4 years. So you can rest easy.” Perfect example of RW nutbag thinking. So let’s play an association game nutbags. If the above statement is true, then Saddam Hussien was not a dictator because he won the last election in Iraq (won 100% of the vote, I’m pretty sure Katherine Harris presided over the recounts). True or false?
By spankmonkey
May 9, 2006 06:05 AM | Link to this
Groan… I see “I suck off liberals” is up early this AM and showing off his cut and paste prowess again. You must be a hit with the ladies there cowboy…
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Racism
May 9, 2006 06:28 AM | Link to this
Haha, Richard Cohen got an inbox full of moonbatgrams after writing that Colbert wasn’t funny:
Truth to tell, I peeked into only a few of the e-mails. I did this because I would sometimes recognize a name I thought I knew, which was almost always a mistake. When I guilelessly clicked on the name, I would get a bucket of raw, untreated and disease-laden sewage right in the face. I’d quickly delete the thing, like closing a manhole cover, and move on, trying to figure out how to peek into an e-mail without getting the full, ugly message. No way.
And he’s surprised. Aren’t these the same libs who said Bush lived in a “bubble?”
But the message in this case truly is the medium. The e-mails pulse in my queue, emanating raw hatred. This spells trouble — not for Bush or, in 2008, the next GOP presidential candidate, but for Democrats. The anger festering on the Democratic left will be taken out on the Democratic middle. (Watch out Hillary!) I have seen this anger before — back in the Vietnam War era. That’s when the anti-war wing of the Democratic Party helped elect Richard Nixon. In this way, they managed to prolong the very war they so hated.
The hatred is back. I know it’s only words now appearing on my computer screen, but the words are so angry, so roiled with rage, that they are the functional equivalent of rocks once so furiously hurled during anti-war demonstrations. They hurt in a different way.
Amazing about all that hate and racism, isn’t it?
By spankmonkey
May 9, 2006 06:53 AM | Link to this
racism? Suck, please qualify that bombastic comment with some further cut and paste comments.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 9, 2006 06:57 AM | Link to this
spank your monkey: You know, for once you are correct^^^. Thank you for your assistance with this matter.
By seeker
May 9, 2006 07:13 AM | Link to this
I guess Richard Cohen must have been in diapers, or a gleam in his daddy’s eye when the Vietnam War protests were percolating.
Because the mood among a majority of administration critics isn’t hatred, it’s frustration and diappointment. 69% of the people don’t hate President Bush. They’re frustrated and amazed by his stupidity.
And this frustration isn’t just over the Iraq war. It’s over his total lack of leadership. Katrina, energy prices, Social Security, sagging wages, layoffs and outsourcing… it’s a long list.
This is nothing like 1972.
A handful of people with computers sending vile comments to Cohen doesn’t represent any groundswell of hatred. But it does illuminate Richard’s paranoia.
And what is this bollocks about racism? When is a small bunch of white people who hate a white person “racism”?
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 9, 2006 07:32 AM | Link to this
A handful of people with computers sending vile comments to Cohen doesn’t represent any groundswell of hatred. But it does illuminate Richard’s paranoia.
3600 emails does not a handful make. And factor into that that most of you liberal democrats are too stupid to work an email program, lucky for Cohen.
And this frustration isn’t just over the Iraq war. It’s over his total lack of leadership. Katrina, energy prices, Social Security, sagging wages, layoffs and outsourcing… it’s a long list.
A laundry list of make believe fake problems with the pinkos hysterically shrieking about them.
Iraq is a better country than it was, Katrina is a liberal cash cow, when are you democrats going to quit obstructing social security reform, deport illegal immigrants and let’s see if wages rise.
Stupid partisan political stunts. Fake memos, fake polls, falling circulations.
The people know the real deal.
By Hillary Clinton
May 9, 2006 07:34 AM | Link to this
Have no fear my fellow hate mongering Liberals! I’ll be taking over in two more years and subjugate you under my socialist plan. Once we’ve established an alliance with the French and Germans, the radical Muslims of the world will take over. So I’d advise you to start reading the Koran.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 9, 2006 07:45 AM | Link to this
If the Democrats fail to win in November — and I predict that fail they will — they can hark back to these excesses as a primary factor in their demise. Outside of the fever swamps of the far-left blog bugs, there are few Americans with an appetite for a coup d’etat followed by show trials and a reign of terror. We have a long history in this nation of settling our political differences as adults, and nobody wants to elect a gang of vindictive creeps to use the powers of Congress as a bludgeon against political opponents.
By @@
May 9, 2006 07:47 AM | Link to this
WashingtonState:
Partisan politics is something I discount when assessing a serious problem. I don’t know if NRO has failed to address Jeb’s resistance to drilling in the gulf.
I do know that just about every conservative on this board has supported drilling in the gulf to help resolve the energy crisis. There seems to be a “you first” argument going on here, but that could just be for the fun of debate.
But there have been far too many leaks coming out of the CIA and that’s the kind of dangerous precedence that puts our nation and allies at risk. I would hate to think that partisan politics is willing to do that. This is a topic that doesn’t warrant “fun debate”, it’s a topic that warrants serious consideration without a partisan slant. But Joe Roman has already applied ^^^ his so…….?
Like I said, I’ll be doing my own research.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 9, 2006 07:52 AM | Link to this
Inflation adjusted economic output {real gross domestic product) has jumped by about 3.5 percent annually ever since the 15 percent tax rate on dividends and capital gains was enacted. This is particularly impressive since growth fell to anemic levels during the last two quarters of the Clinton Administration, remained low in 2001, and was modest in 2002.{1} Job creation skyrocketed once the double-taxation of dividends and capital gains was reduced, with more than six million jobs created since the beginning of 2003.{2} The unemployment rate, not surprisingly, has fallen dramatically. After peaking at 6.3 percent in mid-2003, it is now 4.7 percent.{3}
By seeker
May 9, 2006 08:03 AM | Link to this
3600 emails does not a handful make. And factor into that that most of you liberal democrats are too stupid to work an email program, lucky for Cohen.
3600 IS a handful, dunce! How many people read Cohen’s column? A million?? 2 million? Or did you flunk math in grade school??
As for ‘liberal’ email illiteracy, it was the Democrats who invented epolitics.
And we all know the government jobless numbers are BS. Real wages are down while the quality of jobs being created are far below the ones disappearing. That’s the reason Americans are disgusted with Bush economics. All they have to do is look in their wallets. Then they read about the fortunes being made by oil and drug execs. Case closed.
Keep gloating, Hater. The writing is on the wall.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 9, 2006 08:08 AM | Link to this
Porter Goss took over a dysfunctional institution. The CIA had been caught flat-footed by 9/11, and Saddam’s WMD was not the “slam dunk” Mr. Goss’ predecessor, George Tenet, had assured President Bush it would be.
Purges in the Carter and Clinton administrations stripped the CIA of its most experienced clandestine officers. The CIA today gathers little intelligence, and does a poor job of analyzing intelligence gathered (mostly) by others.
What the CIA has excelled at is interfering in domestic politics. Bush administration policy has been undermined by selective leaks to liberal journalists, most notably about the NSA communications intercept program, and “secret prisons” (probably safe houses) in Europe where high ranking al Qaida captives have been kept.
By Joe Roman
May 9, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this
Is there any chance of developing a discussion about the possibilities in the 2006 Congressional and 2008 Presidential elections here? It might be more fun than the name-calling that have come to dominate here. Any thoughts?
By finch
May 9, 2006 08:19 AM | Link to this
@@,
But there have been far too many leaks coming out of the CIA and that’s the kind of dangerous precedence that puts our nation and allies at risk. I would hate to think that partisan politics is willing to do that. This is a topic that doesn’t warrant “fun debate”, it’s a topic that warrants serious consideration without a partisan slant.
Got that right.
I’m not totally sold on General Hayden, but any change at the spy agency that was so disastrously wrong about Iraq’s WMDs can’t be a bad thing.
I’m chronically worried about Bush’s appointments. His record (Miers, Brown, Chertoff, just for starters) leave something to be desired. Senator Arlen Spector, a Republican I respect, promises to give the General a thorough vetting.
We shall see.
By Earl
May 9, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this
Hey Joe! I think every bush-sucking congressman who has failed to do his JOB, which is (a) representing the best interests of the PEOPLE (not campaign contributors or party bosses) (b) upholding the Constitution (c) keeping the executive and judicial branches in check through earnest and active oversight (d) addressing budgetary issues related to the nation’s expenses and [HELLO!] exploding DEBT, should be replaced this November!
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 08:45 AM | Link to this
A handful of people with computers sending vile comments to Cohen doesn’t represent any groundswell of hatred. But it does illuminate Richard’s paranoia
Seeker,
You discount the 3600 emails? How many people do you think participate in the typical poll that you all put so much confidence and hope in? Hmmmmmmmmmm?
And Richard Cohen is paranoid because he receives disturbing emails written by paranoid raving lunatic Democrats, aka Hysteretics?
Inspired by your comments, I’m working on a new definition for for the Rictionary (although we may need something bigger like an Encylopedia to hold this one).
I’ll give you a hint: It’s tentatively called Paranoia Theory. It’s complicated so it will take some work. Stay tuned.
By getalife
May 9, 2006 08:49 AM | Link to this
Earl,
Yes, that must be number one on the list.
They must be purged from office to reform government.
They will not reform themselves. Check out the ethics reform bill.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 9, 2006 08:52 AM | Link to this
seekling: In Cohen’s own words= Kapow! Within a day, I got more than 2,000 e-mails. A day later, I got 1,000 more. By the fourth day, the number had reached 3,499 — a figure that does not include the usual offers of nubile Russian women or loot from African dictators.
3499 is a massive amount of email, you arguing against that fact just proves that you are a blooming idiot. I never email these kooks. Many other people don’t either, they vent on blogs. The amount of hate overwhelmed Cohen, that’s what the whole column is about, loser.
And we all know the government jobless numbers are BS. Real wages are down while the quality of jobs being created are far below the ones disappearing. That’s the reason Americans are disgusted with Bush economics. . Then they read about the fortunes being made by oil and drug execs. Case closed.
So you agree we should deport all of the illegals?
I’m sorry to hear that you are a total failure- All they have to do is look in their wallets unable to make it in the big bad world out there. But it is no reason for you to impose your ignorance on the rest of us.
By getalife
May 9, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this
I would feel better about Colonel Clink if he knew the forth amendment.
He is the next Miers, he won’t be confirmed.
By Joe Roman
May 9, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this
Well, I guess that’s a start, Earl. I think there’s a very real possibility of the Democrats regaining majorities in both the House and the Senate. Disaffected Republicans usually stay home rather than switching parties. Democrats should be energized and flock to the polls. Who will be the nominees in 2008? Anybody see any third party action worth noting?
By Joe Roman
May 9, 2006 09:05 AM | Link to this
I agree, getalife. I think Hayden’s nomination is DOA.
By ConDem
May 9, 2006 09:20 AM | Link to this
Joe, I’ll contribute to your request with this claptrap:
Newsom said Democrats nationally and in California appear weak compared to Republicans because they have shrunk from defending their ideals. Although he has been fiercely critical of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Newsom said the governor still has the advantage of his imposing personality.
Party officials have been fretting for months that the gubernatorial candidates would inadvertently help Schwarzenegger by destroying each other’s images with voters as they battle for the nomination on June 6.
This does not portray my ideals and I’m tired of my party being led by this kind of nonsense.
I’m tired of the attacks on the opposing party. I want the party to address my concerns, commit to alternative policies with some substance. They need to ask themselves why they keep repeating the same mistakes.
By Richard Cohen
May 9, 2006 09:33 AM | Link to this
Hey Seeker,
What’s your email address? Want to get spammed?
By seeker
May 9, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this
Hater,
If we jail all the bosses who break the law and hire the illegals, there won’t be any illegals to deport, because they won’t come here, because there won’t be any jobs.
Surely even an idiot like you can grasp this.
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this
Seeker,
[Here is the latest C-BS poll, from May 1st.(http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/01/opinion/polls/main1567675.shtml)
Click on “read the complete poll results here”. You will get a 10 page PDF. At the end of page 10 you are finally given the number of respondents: 719
Out of that 719, you have 204 Republicans, 249 Democrats, and 266 Independents.
The numerous, deranged, emails to Richard Cohen tell a more accurate story of the state of mind of the Democrat Party than these polls.
Go Deaniacs!
By RW-(the original)
May 9, 2006 09:54 AM | Link to this
For my last post on this blog*, let me leave you with a prediction. General Hayden will be confirmed and President Bush’s ratings will jump considerably if the Democrats try to make a big deal of the terrorist surveillance program.
I say you guys should prove me wrong by demanding that Nancy Pelosi, Dick Durbin, Crazy Howie, etc. get out there and promote the Al Qaeda bill of rights.
.
*Until I get back
By ConDem
May 9, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this
Joe, This is the kind of committment I want to see from my party and it’s out of the same San Francisco.
But based on what I read yesterday, too many of you support the opposite. Wake up!
I’m out unless committments change to things of importance. I just don’t see that happening. Haven’t seen it happen in the worst of times. Same old claptrap.
By finch
May 9, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this
RW,
How can we miss you when you won’t go away?
Just kidding!
Enjoy Florida. Don’t forget the sunblock.
By Dusty
May 9, 2006 10:11 AM | Link to this
I keep wondering about all the opposition to the appointment of General Hayden. He is already director of National Security Agency and highest-ranking military intelligence officer in the armed forces. His reputation is outstanding.
What do you want? Someone experienced in intelligence work or somebody who is going to learn on-the-job?
The big scare about having too much military seems a little out of joint. We have had PRESIDENTS who were generals and they didn’t become dictators. Do I need to mention Washington, Grant and Isenhower?
I see liberals getting ready to reject Hayden. Being a BUSH nominee seems to be the main objection. Watch Shumer, Kennedy, Durbin go through their usual routine. I do not believe they even consider his vast experience. I wish they would consider the country for a change and forget politics.
By Jesus
May 9, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this
IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!
By BC
May 9, 2006 10:12 AM | Link to this
Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither. The balance between security and freedom should always, always tilt toward freedom. Never should we allow ourselve to forget that for which we fight. There is no justification brilliant enough to abridge the liberty of americans.
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 10:20 AM | Link to this
Seeker,
[Here’s the link I screwed up.] (http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/opinion/polls/main500160.shtml)
It will make you feel really good. Until Election Day.
By getalife
May 9, 2006 10:21 AM | Link to this
Have fun RW.
Watch out for those fires down there.
By getalife
May 9, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this
RW,
I hope to see some thong pictures so don’t forget your digital camera.
BTW, it was a 7.5 large mouth bass W caught.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 9, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this
By seekling May 9, 2006 09:43 AM Hater, If we jail all the bosses who break the law and hire the illegals, there won’t be any illegals to deport, because they won’t come here, because there won’t be any jobs.
You clown democrats fake stories, fake memos, fake polls and now you want to tell me the illegals can’t fake ID’s?
Dusty: The problem with Hayden is that, as with most military men, he is too serious about protecting the United States of America. That won’t work with the pinkos, they are not down with that concept.
BC: Al Qaeda would like to free you from your life.
By Dusty
May 9, 2006 10:28 AM | Link to this
OK, BC.
Here’s another one.
Those who sacrifice security for politics will soon be slaves.
By rushncap
May 9, 2006 10:30 AM | Link to this
To all the chicken hawks around here, I figure I’d educate you a bit,and drop some [Wilfred Owen}(http://www.warpoetry.co.uk/owen1.html) on y’all. Enjoy a great poem!
By getalife
May 9, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this
When the GOP speaker of the house is against Clink, I think he is DOA
By rushncap
May 9, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this
Oh, and JT, you most definitely can have a dictatorship when elections are held every 4 years. The Soviet Union held elections regularly.
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 10:44 AM | Link to this
Getalife,
This is for you. It’s about your hero Ray McGovern. Are you ready and willing to take the side of Maoists like he did?
In January, McGovern popped up again, this time as front man for an exceedingly unsavory group called Not In Our Name. According to the group’s press release, McGovern served war crimes “indictments” from a “people’s tribunal” on the Bush White House. Not In Our Name is a coalition formed in 2002 by the likes of the Maoist Revolutionary Communist party. It is commonly referred to as anti-war, but it’s no such thing. Some of its constituent groups profess a deep belief in revolutionary violence—which is to say, they are pro-war, they just want the United States to lose.
BTW, I’ll be happy to provide you more details about N.I.O.N. just in case you want to join them.
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 10:47 AM | Link to this
RW,
I’ll be keeping an eye out for smoke signals. I’ve got that Pina Colada recipe perfected.
Enjoy!
By Dizty
May 9, 2006 10:49 AM | Link to this
Those who sacrifice lambs for Jesus end up skewered in hell.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 9, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this
Still, Democrats lost the Catholic vote for the first time since 1988. Democratic strategist Donna Brazile said, “Even I have trouble explaining to my family that we are not about killing babies.” So the Democrats are trying even harder. Democratic chairman Howard Dean has refused to call the party “pro-choice.” Hillary Clinton has called abortion “a sad, tragic choice,” and said the number of abortions should be reduced.
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 10:58 AM | Link to this
finch,
Radicalized Muslims, Before George Bush:
America’s war against the Barbary pirates was essentially America’s first war on Islamic terror. Soon after independence, the dawning of a new era and a new century, we were attacked without provocation by Muslim terrorists. The attacks escalated before we even recognized the danger, or acknowledged the enemy. These Islamic partisans operated under the protection of rogue Arab states ruled by cunning and ruthless dictators. Even beyond this sort of obvious, surface level, comparison, however, the parallels really come into sharp focus.](http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22384)
The United States encountered Islam very early in our history. Indeed, our earliest diplomatic efforts with Barbary, in 1786, explicitly revealed the religious nature of the conflict—the jihad—facing the United States.
The enemy was entirely forthright about all this. The usual explanations and excuses cited by apologists and conspiracy theorists don’t apply here. All that rubbish about post-colonial nationalistic self-determinism, racism, regional squabbles, economic depression, evil oil interests, the State of Israel, Zionist/Neoconservative cabals, the military-industrial complex, infidel troops on holy soil, foreign policy backlash, evil CIA manipulation, or, I don’t know, secret plots hatched by the Trilateral Commission, whatever…None of these explain or enlighten anything about this.
Ha!
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this
Rushncap,
This excerpt on the Barbary Pirate story I posted for finch is for you:
The Barbary pirates were engaged in jihad first and foremost, and moneymaking only secondarily. The powerful nations of the world were content to endure this Barbary terrorism for reasons of national self-interest and out of a mercantilist understanding of the world. It was thought to be much simpler for them to bribe the pirates to stave off unwanted commercial competition than to actually neutralize the threat.
In contemporary terms, for example, was it really all that surprising that the French, Germans, and Russians stymied our efforts to go after Iraq at the United Nations? Is it really in our best interests to tread this sort of path with Iran?
By getalife
May 9, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this
BD,
I never said he was my hero, although I like people who stand up and ask the why question.
Helen Thomas comes to mind.
Try a new tactic instead of the same old smear BS.
By rushncap
May 9, 2006 11:13 AM | Link to this
Christ, Danish, give it a rest. In the 18th and 19th centuries Christianity was as bad, and probably worse than Islam. Who do you think wiped out the Indians, especially those who refused to convert, huh? That’s FAR worse than a few pirates.
By getalife
May 9, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this
We have an incompetent, corrupt administration.
It is very dangerous to start World War III where millions would be killed with no accountability.
Americans need to wake up to this possibility before it is too late.
Let us pray. Please God stop talking to W before he pushes the button in your name. Amen.
By RE
May 9, 2006 11:17 AM | Link to this
BD, you stretch out Mcgovern into a maoist because of a group he has joined? What is wrong with you.
Just because you want to call this guy names does not change the questions he asked rumsfeld, and the answers rumsfeld could not give. That is the issue, not some far-fetched link to an orginization he belongs to.
By rushncap
May 9, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this
Geee, Danish, you don’t think that opposition to the Iraq war had anything to do with the fact that the rationale for this was was all a lie and that Iraq posed a threat to no one with the exception of its own citizens? You think that maybe European countries, after centuries of endless colonialism, are tired of it? And you think that maybe Germans and French do not want their sons and daughters dying for no reason somewhere in the desert thousands of miles away for no reason, no cause, no point? Figure any of that had anything to do with their refusal to go to war? I mean, you’re more than happy to sacrifice somebody else’s sons and brothers and husbands, but can you imagine some people caring about more than just themselves? Try it.
By finch
May 9, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this
Danish,
The link on the Barbary Pirates is a good read. I don’t for a minute think Islamic extremists should be ignored. I’ve never argued otherwise. But much of the Muslim world (the part that simply isn’t just trying to stay alive) seems intent on killing eachother in Sudan, Lebanon and, of course, Iraq. The janjaweed in Darfur aren’t plotting any 9/11s.
The spectre of the world’s Muslims united against the West is about as accurate as the spectre of the world’s Communists united against the West. We all know now just how united the Communists were.
So explain to me again… why did the US invade Iraq, led by the secular Saddam Hussein, a tyrant who was on Sunni Wahhabi Muslim hit lists and who tried to crush S-hi-ite fundamentalists threatening his rule?
Why didn’t the Bush administration pay far more attention to Iran, a country with a real 27 year old Islamic fundamentalist leadership and a real nuclear weapons program?
Why didn’t the US target Osama, and Al Qaeda, and the Wahhabi fanatics (think Israel after Munich)?? Why didn’t Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Rove see the forest for the trees?
Come to think of it.. where IS Osama??
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 11:37 AM | Link to this
@@,
I was referring the previous link from the same mag that was blaming the energy shortage on the libs. By all means research the issue yourself. Just don’t depend on citations from biased sources.
By JT
May 9, 2006 11:41 AM | Link to this
rushncap, Dictatorship results from misguided progression.“>http://lilt.ilstu.edu/rrpope/rrpopepwd/articles/communism.html) I hope everybody actually reads this link. But I know how you liberals only want to meet your needs today, without looking to where you’re taking this country tomorrow.
I’ll always vote for capitalism. You vote for socialism and wait for your communist dictator to rule you. Bush supports capitalism like me.
By Dusty
May 9, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this
Lost logic.
Germans do not want their sons and daughters dying for no reason somewhere in the desert thousands of miles away for no reason.
Really? They didn’t mind sending them to Russia’s frozen fields to be killed, iced and defeated by the thousands in WWII. But that is different I suppose.
Pull from history whatever suits your argument. Better to say “They didn’t want to fight this time.” and leave it at that. Times change and we get new explanations for cowardice. Peace at any cost may be one of them.
By Daniel
May 9, 2006 11:51 AM | Link to this
We are a nation betrayed. Bush has betrayed the basic principles of conservatism and the USA. America will pay for the lies and excesses of Bush for years to come. The republican party has been hijacked by selfabsorbed crazies.
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this
Some conservatives have a remarkable ability to only see the sins of their opposition (How’s that R.W.?) Both liberals and conservatives tend to spew hate at the objects of their disagreement, but conservatives are more likely to resort to deadly violence to further their ends. Judges being shot at, doctors and nurses at abortion clinics being killed. Those are the actions of conservatives. It is the danger of believing only you have the RIGHT answers.
By Scooter
May 9, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this
@@, perhaps you don’t need to research energy costs for yourself? Were you in a coma for the last three decades? If not, simply remember which party fought any attempts to expand our domestic production and refining, then you’ll have some of the blame.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Racism
May 9, 2006 11:59 AM | Link to this
I noticed that rushncrap has been teeming with ignorance the last few days but this sets a new standard:
By rushncap May 9, 2006 11:13 AM Christ, Danish, give it a rest. In the 18th and 19th centuries Christianity was as bad, and probably worse than Islam. Who do you think wiped out the Indians, especially those who refused to convert, huh?
I don’t know what they are teaching you in school junior, but based on what I’ve noticed, you have grounds to sue them for malpractice.
finch: Didn’t go see the doctor, eh? I’m telling you, coming to this blog and repeating the same exact stupid lie, over and over again like a drooling cripple, a.k.a. 11:36, that has been thoroughly and comprehensively refuted with proof and accuracy, is a sign of either Alzheimer’s or slam ignorance. Which one are you afflicted with?
By JT
May 9, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this
Sorry about that. Let me show you misguided progress once again and hope it works this time.
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this
This letter from a retired officer in the letters to the editor section of the local rag an indication of how the times are changing.
Remember how the Army functions
Those generals criticizing Secretary Rumsfeld are correct in their assessment. However, calling for his resignation is somewhat out of line.
As division commanders, they would not look favorably on subordinates calling for the Corps Commander to fire them. It is the president who is responsible for the solution. It is only his call.
Division commanders are responsible for the tactical planning and operations in their area of operations. They are assigned a mission and do with the resources given. Strategic planning is the responsibility of those in higher positions. Troop levels are strategic decisions.
It is ironic that the generals most responsible for the overall screwed-up strategic planning of the war found harsh words for those who criticized the secretary.
Richard Myers and Tommie Franks reached the highest levels of incompetence and tarnished the outstanding officers who previously filled their positions. They sold out for this administration’s reward for failures — The Medal of Freedom. A court-martial would have been in order.
Also disturbing is some area retired generals chastising those speaking out for not being bold enough to act while on active duty. It is much easier to show courage drawing a pension — not having to rely on your active career.
These officers need to remember how the Army functions. They should recall their active days and what happened if they kept pushing their points of view — if they ever did. It also helps to remember how they reacted if subordinates pushed hard against their decisions.
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 12:11 PM | Link to this
Scooter,
@@ didn’t say she was researching the pile of horse puckies about libs being responsible for the energy shortage. She was talking about the article on the CIA. I pointed out the the previous link from the mad spammer was from the same mag and wasn’t exactly objective.
By rushncap
May 9, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this
JT, what in the hell are you babbling about? Where did you get the idea that I support socialism? Are you on crack?
Very good, Dusty. See, Germans learned their lesson. They lost many millions in WWII. That would make anyone averse to starting uncalled-for wars. Will it take a few million American deaths for you to maybe pause and think twice before invading random nations for no reason other than that you can? And, I’m sorry, what is your definition of “cowardice”? It seems that it’s nothing more than “not wanting to die for no reason”. In which case, you’re a coward.
Li’l andy, get a grip.
By finch
May 9, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this
finch: Didn’t go see the doctor, eh? I’m telling you, coming to this blog and repeating the same exact stupid lie, over and over again like a drooling cripple, a.k.a. 11:36, that has been thoroughly and comprehensively refuted with proof and accuracy…
Speak for yourself, Suck. You keep repeating the same lie that Saddam was an Islamic terrorist leader and that Iraq was a lynchpin in the axis of evil. Saddam was an athiest despot adept at playing factions against echother, and Iraq wasn’t an inspiration and motivator for Islamic terrorists until the horribly bungled invasion.
Iraq was an emasculated fringe player. Saddam was a target of displaced US aggression after 9/11. The real terrorists are still out there.
Sad that Alzheimer victims like you never know how sick you are. Hint: if you’ve lost your drool bucket, you won’t find it here.
I’ll ask again. And again. Where is Osama? Or have you forgotten what Osama, the Wahhabi Saudi terror prince, did?
By Daniel
May 9, 2006 12:12 PM | Link to this
Dusty: Germany sent her sons to die at Stalingrad in 1942! The German Constitution today forbids German combat troops from serving outside the country. I can assure you the children and grandchildren of the 6th Army want no part of you, Bush or Iraq. Dusty: It’s over.
By rushncap
May 9, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this
So JT, your argument seems to be “since sometimes progress is misguided we should stop any and all progress”. Am I right here? In which case, when we return to the caves, would cooking food over fire be considered “progress” or can we still do that?
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this
I never thought I would say it, but I miss William Buckley Jr. At least he was logical, polite, and coherent. I don’t remember him ever stooping to the level of our current crop of conservative pundits.
By getalife
May 9, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this
Daniel,
This guy is convinced Rove is next.
I hope he is correct.
By Dusty
May 9, 2006 12:21 PM | Link to this
Washington State,
Are you saying that the complaining generals did not complain while they were on active duty because it would ruin their CAREERS?
Many people have given their LIVES while serving in the military. These generals wouldn’t even take a chance on their careers to do what they thought was right.
Now you want to give them compliments? No way.
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this
Not that anyone probably wants to read a nuanced article on the current energy crisis, but here is a link to one from a Republican, former Ohio congressman for 23 years.
By Daniel
May 9, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this
gal: He may be right. Anyway you look at it, it is a terribly sad time in our nations history. It will take us many years to undo the wrongs and excesses of the Bush era. The indictments have only just begun. The Abramoff thing has legs. “Hooker Scandal #2” goes deep. The Plame caper will not go away. It’s over.
By Dusty
May 9, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this
Daniel,
The Germans joined the United Nations, didn’t they? I guess they just wanted to join in the conversation but not any action.
I don’t know exactly what you are referring to as “over”. You seem “over” as far as supporting your own country. I don’t go for this verything is rotten herebut I support it.
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
Sorry you misunderstood. That was a letter written by a local retired officer that I copied verbatim. It was meant to show that more and more of the military community is becoming disillusioned with how the military is operating, “an indication of how the times are changing.”
By rushncap
May 9, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this
So Dusty, just wondering, why don’t YOU volunteer for the war? They’ll take you in a heartbeat. I don’t know if you have any skills, but that’s the nice thing about the army — don’t necessarily need any. You’d be perfect! You already love dying for this country in Iraq, it would be wonderful for you. So why not join up?
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 12:32 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
I deleted his name from the end because I did not want to expose him to all the “love mail” he might get from conservatives if it appeared on a national blog.
By Dusty
May 9, 2006 12:36 PM | Link to this
Washington State,
I don’t believe that I misunderstood anything your retired military officer said.
No compliments for putting your career over what is right. It isn’t right in the military world anymore than it is in the business world.
By Daniel
May 9, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this
Dusty: Bush deserted the UN. Remember? Take a deep breath. Bush went on his own. “Bring “em on”! I’m a vet. I love my country. It’s Bush I can’t stand. Over means over. It’s done. America will abide. Your canine devotion to the inept Bsuh is not patriotism. 2417
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
You are missing the forest for the trees. The point isn’t what the man said. The point is that a retired army officer in an area that is populated largely by the same saw fit to right a letter to the local rag criticizing the administration and the higher ups in the army. A year ago, that would have been unthinkable. “The times are changing.”
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
Sorry, right = write.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 9, 2006 12:49 PM | Link to this
Allow me to prove to you that finch has some major mental issues:
Example- If finch said “It’s raining outside” and then Andy said “No it’s not,” would finch’s logical reply be:
a) “Yes it is, look out the window.”
b) “It’s raining outside.”
So when finch, strapped into his highchair, bibb tied around his neck says “Where’s Osama?” everyday, 4 or 5 times a day, what would you think about his sanity?
Look back into the blog archive, I’ve personally got permanent writer’s cramp from answering this stupid moron question. It’s there for you to see, just pick a day: “He’s in a cave, reduced to making a scratchy audiotape every few months begging his followers, those who are still alive, to haul a-ss to safety in Sudan. The only power the dude has wielded in the last 5 years has been to get all of his soldiers killed by the United States Army.”
You would think that someone of sound mental condition would argue this reply with something similiar to this, “That’s not true, not all of his soldiers are dead, just most of them.”
But no, here’s retard finch: “Where’s Osama?” “Where’s Osama?” “Where’s Osama?” “Where’s Osama?” “Where’s Osama?”
Look it up.
By Dusty
May 9, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this
Washington State,
Are you referring to the kind of “love mail” that Richard Cohen received for saying that a comic was rude to the president?
Oh well, we’ve got some comic ignoramuses here who repeat the same old jaded propaganda like “Why don’t you sign up for the military?” and other such ramblings. Such repetitious stuff isn’t worth answering. Really stale.(My family has a history of military service including my husband and son.)
Keep up the search, WS. I think your intentions are good. I’m gone for the rest of the day.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 9, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this
Dusty: Not to mention that, out of 3000 retired general officers, only 8 of them have issues with Rumsfeld. Which do you think the drive by pinko media is going with, the 8 or the 2992?
By getalife
May 9, 2006 12:57 PM | Link to this
Yes, that patriotic crap that Dusty spews is backfiring on the 31% backwash.
If you a true American patriot you would want what is best for your country.
Honest, competent leadership to clean up W’s mess. Never, ever sacrifice the troops lives unless it is absolutely necessary without a doubt.
We are the Ununited States and need leaders to bring us back to the United States, respected as a superpower in the world.
By Ricky
May 9, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this
The funniest thing to me about the whole war debate is how people who are critical of the war are told to go join and do something for their country before they critize. Those who support the war are told they should join and go fight if they are so supportive. Yet another example that the majority of the political debate in this country is in the toilet. People are more concerned about making the other side look bad then they are coming up with real ideas. Say what you will about people like Newt and Biden, at least they come up with ideas. No matter how much you may disagree with them
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this
Dusty,
Yeah, my old man was almost killed in WWII and I served during Vietnam as an officer. That is why I take it seriously when higer ups start to complain. It just isn’t done. CYA.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 9, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this
I mean really though, how much more clearer can it be?:
March 19, 2003- THE PRESIDENT: My fellow citizens, at this hour, American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger.
I could understand the confusion if maybe Bush had a cleft lip or some other speech impediment, then we could argue that he really said he wanted to torture Iraqi chicks or whatever it is you weirdo libs think, but this is in writing.
It’s so bizarre, so pathetic.
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this
Ricky,
I gather you didn’t like the ideas on the energy crisis I posted at 12:25. Good reading, even if it was from a Republican.
By Liberal Texas Democrat
May 9, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this
http://www.highbeam.com/library/docfree.asp?DOCID=1G1:141706128&ctrlInfo=Round19%3AProd%3ADOC%3AResult&ao=
Another interesting read about the pirates being the first international terrorists.
“By examining how the U.S. dealt with Barbary terrorists and the North African governments that sponsored them, we might gain insight into how best to implement U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East today. It is as true today as it was over 200 years ago that the United States could win an overwhelming military victory and yet fail to secure a lasting peace.”
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this
Ricky,
It does bring up a valid point. What are you and the rest of the conservatives really doing with your lives that make you feel superior to the libs? Voting for Bush doesn’t count.
By Ricky
May 9, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this
Washington State, I don’t feel superior. What I was saying was that both sides have reverted to gutter politics. If you read my post I cited Biden even though I don’t agree with his idea of dividing up Iraq into 3 states. I disagree with a lot of what Bush has done and think Rumsfeld should go. He has terribly mismanaged the war since the initial victory of Saddam. I am really hoping McCain or Mitt Romney win the Republican nomination in 2008.
By finch
May 9, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this
Suck,
I should have guessed that the concept of a rhetorical question is simply way beyond your pay grade.
“Where’s Osama?” is shorthand for “Where are all the real terrorists hiding? Why isn’t the US focusing the might of the world’s only superpower on them, instead of wasting thousands of American lives and hundreds of billions of American dollars on diversions like Saddam and Iraq? Where are our priorities?”
So the next time you see “Where’s Osama?”, just remember that, okay?
Find your drool bucket yet?
By Liberal Texas Democrat
May 9, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this
OOPS, Here’s the link to the pirate article durn govmint glasses-:)
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this
Rick,
Sorry I misunderstood. As for your point, it is hard to drag people out of the gutter when that is their natural habitat. I just posted that I missed Buckley. Even though most of our ideas are diametrically opposed, at least he is intelligent, coherent, and polite when presenting his side of the issue. He even takes the time to understand why and how the opposition is thinking. Remarkable man. Too bad there is noone like him in politics today. Powell is another example of a good man (who burned out on the hypocricy of the political scene.) He gave recently gave a talk in Chicago to a group of kids and parents from public schools who had won a national competition and the first question he got was a plaintive “Why don’t you run for president.” It was not really related to the talk he gave, but was a telling moment.
By JT
May 9, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this
Sorry rushncap! You responded to my 11:00PM to Earl (Socialist). So I got you confused. You do appear to support the Democrats who are hell bent on socialist policies though, so I’ll put you in the same category with them if that’s O.K.
Let the free market rule, not the government. Hope you all read my link. The last paragraph says it all.
Gotta get. Later!
By getalife
May 9, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this
Hey finch,
Check this out
It is too late, the Colbert classic is all over the blogworld including mine.
By Ricky
May 9, 2006 01:32 PM | Link to this
WashingtonState, from what I have heard there is a group of active and retired generals who are attempting to presaude Colin Powell to run for President in 2008. I really hope that happens. He would be a great president and would do great things for our country. We shall see.
By finch
May 9, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this
Suck,
Right. When Colin Powell appeared before the UN to argue in favor of a coalition to overthrow Saddam’s regime, he declared it was needed to bring freedom to the Iraqi people. He didn’t say a word about the WMD’s that weren’t there. Nope, not a single word.
Sarcasm off.
“Mr. President, Mr. Secretary General, distinguished colleagues, I would like to begin by expressing my thanks for the special effort that each of you made to be here today.”
“This is important day for us all as we review the situation with respect to Iraq and its disarmament obligations under U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441.”
This was the US rationale for invading Iraq as presented to the international community. President Bush’s song and dance about “freeing the Iraqi people” was mere pap dished out for domestic consumption.
We all know now that Powell wishes he had never given that speech:
“Former US secretary of state Colin Powell says his United Nations speech making the case for the US-led war on Iraq was “a blot” on his record.”
“Mr Powell has also said that he had “never seen evidence to suggest” a connection between the September 11, 2001 terror attacks in the United States and the Saddam regime.”
You really are clueless, aren’t you?
By gadem
May 9, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this
Andy, Bush does have a speach impedement…. I hope and pray that sometimes he just shuts the h*ll up, because the more he talks the dumber his supporters seem. Ask yourself are the Iraqi people truly free?
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this
Ricky,
It would be great. Rove’s genius has been in appealing to the lowest common denominator in order to get his candidates elected. It would be great to have someone who appealed to the highest common denominator in charge for a change.
By Daniel
May 9, 2006 01:43 PM | Link to this
finch: All you said about Powell is accurate. He has thoroughly disavowed his UN effort and the phony intelligence behind it. I am not sure that qualifies him to be president. Our nation is in such disarray right now. Many are waiting for that one clear voice to surface. The sadness is that the right-wing crazies have so polluted the climate; one wonders if greatness can emerge. The nutcases would have vetoed Lincoln, Eisenhower would not pass muster with these fanatics. America aches for leadership.
By Midori
May 9, 2006 01:52 PM | Link to this
Midori
That might well be the most intelligent post you’ve ever made. Congratulations
Why, Thank You, RW.
As you consistently post incoherent dribble and off kilter crap, I consider that comment quite the honor indeed.
Thanks again.
I knew there was hope for you, RW AKA 31%
By Midori
May 9, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this
By RW-(the original)
May 8, 2006 09:51 PM | Link to this
You can’t put anything over on these dudes. From outside all you can see is that this is the AI backward C building. No wonder they freaked out about Valerie Plame being “outed” when she was already known to everybody.
See what I mean?
Consistent!!
By Beavis
May 9, 2006 03:34 PM | Link to this
Heh heh.. heh heh heh.. heh heh
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Racism
May 9, 2006 03:49 PM | Link to this
Finally, finch quit repeating the same lie over and over like a psycho, although unintentional, he supplies us with some new info in his 1:33:
COLIN POWELL: His information comes first-hand from his personal involvement at senior levels of Al Qaida. He says bin Laden and his top deputy in Afghanistan, deceased Al Qaida leader Muhammad Atif (ph), did not believe that Al Qaida labs in Afghanistan were capable enough to manufacture these chemical or biological agents. They needed to go somewhere else. They had to look outside of Afghanistan for help. Where did they go? Where did they look? They went to Iraq.
No Al Qaeda link, eh?
COLIN POWELL: His campaign against the Kurds from 1987 to ‘89 included mass summary executions, disappearances, arbitrary jailing, ethnic cleansing and the destruction of some 2,000 villages. He has also conducted ethnic cleansing against the Shi’a Iraqis and the Marsh Arabs whose culture has flourished for more than a millennium. Saddam Hussein’s police state ruthlessly eliminates anyone who dares to dissent. Iraq has more forced disappearance cases than any other country, tens of thousands of people reported missing in the past decade.
That’s Colin Powell making the case to FREE the Iraqi people just like Andy has always said.
Unless of course you libs want to say that this is how Colin got his jollies, telling ghastly tales of Iraqi abuses to rooms full of UN perverts, helping them get excited?
Appreciate the link, finch.
But now the other pinkos in here have caught repetitive spastic disorder:
WMD.. Aaack.. Karl Rove… aaack… You call that free… aaack.. Bush Sucks… aaaack..
By getalife
May 9, 2006 04:04 PM | Link to this
Here you go Andy, pour through these
By Dizty
May 9, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this
Lol.
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 04:05 PM | Link to this
Getalife,
You spent an entire day in rapture about Ray’s so-called question to Rumsfeld. I sure got the idea that you admired the dude.
Only your man Ray’s “question” (and Helen Thomas’ “question” weren’t questions at all - they were slander. Or to use your second favorite word after spew, they were smears.
RE,
The guy is an ex-CIA agent. Did he not know that he was speaking for a communist group? I know who NION are and I’m not “in the intelligence business”. Surely Ray McGovern does knew exactly who they are and what their goals are.
The thing is, he knows that the MSM won’t tell you the truth. They’ll just paint the guy as an honorable yet disgruntled CIA agent, a gentle Patriot, just anxious to spill the beans about the Great Satan - George Bush and the U.S.A.
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this
Andy,
What part of Powell calling that whole speech a blot on his career did you not understand? And I don’t think you will find many takers on the argument that Sadam was a bad man. Just a lot of doubters that this was the real reason for the war. (page 14)
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Racism
May 9, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this
Less than a week after he crashed his car into a Capitol Hill police barrier, rehabbing Rhode Island Rep. Patrick Kennedy received a rousing endorsement from the state Democratic Party, who touted him as a competent, if flawed, public servant at their convention Monday night.
In a speech described by the Associated Press as “moving,” state Representative Paul Crowley said Patrick Kennedy’s ability to do his job should not be questioned - downplaying the fact that the he’s had two car crashes in the last month, hit himself in the face with a hammer two weeks ago and admitted over the weekend that he was addicted to booze and pain pills.
In a seperate motion, the party moved to condemn extreme right wing radio host Rush Limbaugh for not crashing his car into the capital and scuffling with police. Representative Crowley said that if you are going to abuse pain pills you have to do it right, if not, you give other pain pill abusers like Kennedy a bad name. Plus, they said Limbaugh sucks.
By RE
May 9, 2006 04:19 PM | Link to this
How is NION connected to Mao again, is this a big chinese conspiracy, or is the tinfoil on a little tight today?
By Daniel
May 9, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this
BD: Give it a rest. Communist? Communism fell in 1989! It’s gone. You can let go of that one, for now. McGovern is a patriot. That’s what patriots do. They question democratically elected leaders. Your slavish bovine a**kiss of Bush is not patriotism. You need a nap. This too, will pass. It’s over. The republican party will regain its deserved place in our nations history. We will survive the excesses of this period. All is well.
By finch
May 9, 2006 04:24 PM | Link to this
Andy,
Finally, quit repeating the same lie over and over like a psycho.
It’s embarrasing.
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this
By rushncap
May 9, 2006 11:13 AM
Christ, Danish, give it a rest. In the 18th and 19th centuries Christianity was as bad, and probably worse than Islam. Who do you think wiped out the Indians, especially those who refused to convert, huh? That’s FAR worse than a few pirates.
Oh really Rushcap? Then tell me why Christianity produced the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution in the 18th Century, while Islam produced Sharia Law, and a deadly desire to live life as it was lived in the 7th century, issuing fatwas to kill anyone who stands in their way?
All you can come up with is a lie about the Indians? Let me guess, the one about how we purposely put smallpox in the Indian’s blankets?
For a self-described Jew, you sure love to invoke the name of Christ. Inevitably followed with a smear against Christians.
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this
BD,
I don’t agree with rushncap, but did you ever hear of the Trail of Tears? There are plenty of other object lessons that we weren’t very “christian” in how we dealt with the indigenous populations we found in the new world. But then again, the strong shall inherit the earth, right?
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Racism
May 9, 2006 04:39 PM | Link to this
If the profit per gallon of gas were reduced to zero, would that be enough to reduce the price by even a dime? If the oil company executives were to work free of charge, would that be enough to reduce the price of gasoline by even a penny a gallon?
Surely media loudmouths making millions of dollars a year and the multibillion dollar TV networks they work for can afford to get some statistics and buy a pocket calculator to do the arithmetic before spouting off nationwide.
The very politicians who have piled tax after tax on gasoline over the years, and voted to prohibit oil drilling offshore or in Alaska, and who have made it impossible to build a single oil refinery in decades, are all over the television screens denouncing the oil companies. In other words, those who supply oil are being denounced and demonized by those who have been blocking the supply of oil.
By rushncap
May 9, 2006 04:43 PM | Link to this
Chill, Danish. You might learn something if you do. The vast majority of the DoI signers were deists and non-fundamentalist Christians. Note total absense of any Christian references in any founding documents. You cannot honestly compare the most radical, fundamentalist sections of Islam to the most moderate, progressive, liberal sections of Christianity. In the 18th and 19th century fundie Christians did as much, if not more, damage as fundie Muslims. Just like today, fundamentalist Christianity, if given free reign, would cause severe damage to modern societies. Thankfully the country is not yet run by Mullah Robertson or Mullah Fallwell, but if it was you would most certainly see dramatic scaling back of modern freedoms.
This is not to defend modern radical Islam. Those people are insane, dangerous, and need to be contained and rehabilitated. But just about any religion, taken to its logical extreme, is dangerous. Thankfully our government is expressly secular, and Shrubby has failed to completely overturn that.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 9, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this
By rushncrap May 9, 2006 04:43 PM Chill, Danish. You might learn something if you do. The vast majority of the DoI signers were deists and non-fundamentalist Christians. Note total absense of any Christian references in any founding documents.
We got our typical pinko arrogance and ignorance all rolled up in one:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Honestly, what do they teach these little twerps in school?
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this
The spectre of the world’s Muslims united against the West is about as accurate as the spectre of the world’s Communists united against the West. We all know now just how united the Communists were.
Finch,
One: Apples and oranges, but Communists of various stripes are STILL united in a desire to end American supremacy.
Two: Radical muslims ARE united against the West and Israel.
I don’t understand what you’re talking about.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 9, 2006 04:53 PM | Link to this
‘Does anyone really believe President Bush wants to spy on innocent old ladies or any other group of innocent Americans? Does anyone — besides the loony left and unwitting dupes they have convinced — really believe President Bush has a sinister desire to consolidate executive power, make himself a dictator and eviscerate the Fourth Amendment? These are some of the things the knee-jerk opponents of President Bush’s selection of Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden to head the CIA apparently believe.
By Daniel
May 9, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this
No one believes George W. Bush. No one takes him seriously. It’s over. All of us should pray for our nation. We have to get through the next two and 1/2 years. Ora pro nobis.
By Randy
May 9, 2006 05:08 PM | Link to this
This must be what Rushncap feels like at the end of every day here
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this
Rushncap,
Here are a few info bites for you. Your ignorance knows no bounds, so I hope you don’t find the truth too crushing. You may want to ask your college for a refund before you go the lawsuit route.
Not a Muslim or Buddhist or Taoist or Hindu amongst them.
And before you give me more of the spiel about them being Deists, you need to know that just because some of them did not follow a formal Christian religion or believe all the dogma, they still followed the teachings of Christ.
More to come…
BTW, I’m not even going to respond to your pathetic excuses for why the Germans or French won’t fight that you babbled on about earlier.
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this
Rushncap,
The roots of the Constitution.
Warning: These documents contain frequent and reverent references to Jesus Christ.
By finch
May 9, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this
Danish, your comparison of the Barbary pirates with today’s Muslim extremists isn’t unanimously shared…
“For one thing, although the Barbary pirates were good at instilling terror — using cannons and scimitars — they were not waging a holy war against Americans. They were opportunists, historians say. They first declared war against us in 1785 — when Algeria seized two American vessels off Portugal, imprisoning 21 people — and goaded us into combat again in 1801 and 1815.”
So why didn’t thes Barbary misfits wage wars of territory and religious conversion?? Because that was the least of their concerns.
“They considered themselves “privateers,” authorized to confiscate ships and crews just as other feuding countries did. Their enemy? Any nation that hadn’t negotiated peace treaties with their rulers in Tunis, Tripoli, Algiers and Morocco. For centuries their pirates shook down European nations for ransom and tribute money.”
There’s something thing they have in common with the gangs of professional kidnappers in Baghdad. They’re only in it for the booty. Screw that kill the infidel malarky. You can’t ransom dead people.
“This was a protection racket,” notes Richard B. Parker, former U.S. ambassador to Algeria, Lebanon and Morocco, who is writing a history titled “Uncle Sam in Barbary.” “They didn’t have political objectives, they just wanted money.”
By rushncap
May 9, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this
Danish, are you really this dumb?? Do you know what the term “Deist” means? Did I say anything about them being Muslim or Buddhist? Are you doing this on purpose, or are you seriously in possession of an IQ of a cucumber?
—- BTW, I’m not even going to respond to your pathetic excuses for why the Germans or French won’t fight that you babbled on about earlier. —-
Of course you won’t. You’re too pathetic to do so. You’re a total joke. I’m done with you for today. My quota of “idiotic Danish statements” is filled up. Have a good day. Should be easy, with no actual thoughts getting in the way of relaxing.
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this
Daniel,
Are you a Republican?
RE,
Here’s the scoop on N.I.O.N. Knock yourself out.
Here’s more
I guess Ray McGovern was just duped into being their frontman.
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this
Rushncap,
You are hopeless. Why do you think we ended up with the Bill of Rights and not Sharia Law?
Do you believe in the blessings of liberty? That’s really all you need to know. Believe it or not, it’s not a universal idea.
You don’t have to believe in much to benefit from those blessings. Most of the work has been done for you. You get to enjoy the fruits of other’s labors and ideas - thanks to those who pledged their lives, fortunes and sacred honor.
It would be nice if you could enjoy this very liberty that you benefit from without constantly complaining about, or worse, fearing the source of those ideas - beliefs of the very people who were instrumental in allowing you the privileges we all share.
By Daniel
May 9, 2006 05:50 PM | Link to this
I’m an Independent.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 9, 2006 06:28 PM | Link to this
I wish some of you nasty pinkos would listen to someone like Pat Robertson. This is a man who is truly genius. We would all benefit from the wisdom he possesses.
By Wanker Liberal
May 9, 2006 06:34 PM | Link to this
My parents hate me. They told me I was a total waste. They said that I have single handedly changed their position on the abortion issue and henceforth, they will actively lobby to get late term abortions extended through the teenage years, they don’t care if it condemns them to Hell or not. All because I sit in this dark, c* stained basement wanking all day, stealing other people’s names to spread my pervert hate and racism. My father told me that I could only wish to be Andy, that none of the vomit that I throw at that good man will make me anymore than the pile of human filth that I already am.
Don’t they understand that I am a pinko democrat liberal and this is what we do? We used to be a proud, strong organization that actually led America through some of the toughest times in it’s history. Those days are long gone. Now we hate America just as much as we hate life itself. We are absolute failures and damn proud of it. We are going to continue spreading stupid political hatred and muck racking no matter how many elections we lose.
You see, I really am a waste. This name jacking makes me giggle, cause I have nothing else except wanking. It’s wank and jack, wank and jack. It’s all about me, understand? You don’t actually think that I want to be any better than this, do you?
I’ll show the world!
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Racism
May 9, 2006 06:36 PM | Link to this
For all you slow, ward of the state liberals too stupid to see that your fellow pinko has to hide behind my name to spread their hate and racism, 6:28 is you democrat.
By Midori
May 9, 2006 06:49 PM | Link to this
so, does that make 6:34 you?
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Racism
May 9, 2006 06:55 PM | Link to this
Midori: I’m pretty sure that Wanker Liberal would be you, dontcha think?
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 07:11 PM | Link to this
BD: Give it a rest. Communist? Communism fell in 1989! It’s gone
Daniel,
Dude, err, you forgot about China. Cuba. N. Korea. Vietnam. Peace Marches in the U.S.A.
Look [here}(http://www.pww.org/article/view/849/1/66/)
And [here}(http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5802)
Heck, just use this Google link
If you like pictures, this is really fun.
Just because they are pathetic and despicable does not mean they don’t keep trying. And N.I.O.N. is in the vanguard, along with ANSWER and International ANSWER. And Ray McGovern chose to speak for them.
Gosh, I haven’t even mentioned the pro-Communist “Socialists” like Chavez. Call them what you want, they all have one thing in common - they hate America and will use any means necessary to weaken it.
By JT
May 9, 2006 07:23 PM | Link to this
rushncap, I read your 12:14 childish post. I’ll give you an adult response in spite of it.
Progress needs to be measured with logic and reason. Not full speed ahead with your brain disengaged like yours is when you fail to acknowledge that modern-day Christians have progressed, not all but most. Christians should be viewed as individuals, not as a marauding clan.
Everytime I see you here I wonder what you’re babbling about. You want to talk to the conservatives and then you tell them you don’t want to talk to them anymore, only to talk to them when they return.
By Midori
May 9, 2006 07:49 PM | Link to this
Have you guys seen Bush’s newest backdrop?
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 07:56 PM | Link to this
Daniel,
These are right on topic. I’m certain that the Independent in you will see that these people are a different breed of patriot
Zombie Time is way cool.
By JT
May 9, 2006 08:13 PM | Link to this
BD, Daniel doesn’t want to acknowledge the ugly truth. They’re running for President and obviously have a following. It’s not dead no matter how much Daniel wants to believe it is.
By AntiRadical
May 9, 2006 08:54 PM | Link to this
Good toon ML. Another way to equate Bush with bin Laden. The Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, covert torture prisons, onerous security checks, and conversations of assassination/painting jets in UN camoflage with Blair. Osama must truely be very proud of the metamorphosis he has wrought on what we used to call a free society!
Interesting comments about religion, the founding of America, and supposedly why Christianity should be taught in public schools as a founding block of American history and culture.
How sad that children who may have had no exposure to any faith whatsoever at home will now have as their only example a dry and hollow textbook study of Christianity only as it relates to American history and without the support and companionship of a congregation. No hugs or shared tears, no social gatherings or common friends, no grevious loss and bloom of new life to bond you; just a dry school study (with tests) that should surely convince the student that they must have been fortunate indeed to have been denied religion during their upbringing.
Probably the biggest reason that religion should be kept out of schools is that such short exposure (and state control over its’ presentation) trivializes it. Fortunately, there are many faiths other than Christianity that will not have been trivialized by state sanctioning when these students get older and begin to look for meaning and purpose in their life.
By Barb
May 9, 2006 09:23 PM | Link to this
While we are on the subject of warning parents and children to dangers they may face from schools and religious teachings, let’s warn about the true dangers our kids face.
If you ever catch your child talking to someone on the internet, or in person for that matter, that sounds like this ‘AntiRadical’ get them away as fast as humanly possible.
The first paragraph packed in enough crazy to alert you, but the rest is just scary.
By @@
May 9, 2006 09:26 PM | Link to this
Well just how insulted am I feeling here. WashingtonState thinks I need advice and Scooter thinks I’ve been in a coma.
I’m crushed! @—
And exhausted!
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 10:05 PM | Link to this
@@,
Welcome back. Sorry if you feel insulted.
By seeker
May 9, 2006 10:10 PM | Link to this
The Islamofascists are waging a propaganda and psychological campaign of sublime effectiveness, all the more effective because those infidel Americans just don’t see it! Osama bin Laden is pleased.
Osama’s reading the posts here from the reactionary paranoids. He’s smiling the smile of a vicious freak who sees his enemy eating itself alive with widespread panic and paranoia.
He’s convinced some citizens of the most powerful nation on earth that his movement is much more than a relative handful of zealots. He laughs as, instead of focusing on the nooks and crannies where he and his insane followers hide, the US wastes enormous amounts of money, manpower and international goodwill in a monstrous, blind search for a vast Muslim conspiracy that doesn’t exist. It’s only Osama and his merciless men, a tiny bunch of fanatics who revel over a power they command far beyond their size. A power that irrational, frightened Americans and their leaders give them.
And watching as these misguided Americans subvert their own Christian faith by demonizing hundreds of millions of people who are not their enemies, Osama and his tiny clique of disciples congratulate eachother as their work to destabilize the US, and the world, is done for them.
Osama is playing US fears like a violin. He’s loving every minute of it as he plots his next deadly attack, knowing that his enemy still refuses to see the forest for the trees. He may be shuttling from stone hut to cave in Tora Bora, but his satellite phones and Internet links keep his tiny ‘band of brothers’ humming like a well oiled machine. His well timed video and audio manifestos inflame this wasteful panic.
He and his comrades watch. And wait.
And smile.
By WashingtonState
May 9, 2006 10:10 PM | Link to this
JT,
Just think of them as the left wing’s equivalent of the KKK. Relatively harmless as long as they don’t have much of a following. Deadly when they do.
By Dusty
May 9, 2006 10:38 PM | Link to this
Seeker,
I hope you SEEK help.
Anybody who would run off a spiel like you just posted is in big trouble.
….Americans demonizing hunmdreds of millions of people who are not their enemies…is part of what you said.
That is either hallucination, fabrication or pure fantasy. In any case, GET HELP!
By finch
May 9, 2006 11:20 PM | Link to this
Hey Dusty,
Seeker was kind of hysterical, or maybe just cynical, but if I’m to believe BD and a few others here, the whole Muslim world is out to destroy us. And that’s about 1.1 billion people. Do you think so too? I don’t.
By kimberly
May 9, 2006 11:24 PM | Link to this
Seeker,
Dusty thinks you need “help,” so what does that tell you? Nice 10:10…. um..(for those with the depth to grasp the coexistence of sarcasm, satire, and truth!)
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 11:29 PM | Link to this
Seeker,
Were you jacked? Because if you think that we are only dealing with a handful of zealots, then you are either a propagandist for their team, or a complete and utter shmuck.
Did I mention, IDIOT?
AntiRad,
A bit overwraught with emotion are we? Christianity is not a cult. It is possible to discuss it, in literature and in history, without losing one’s grasp on reality, or turning the classroom into a congregation.
Surely it is possible to have a clinical discussion of the reproductive system without conjuring up unbridled romance and passion?
Conversely it’s possible to have as much personal religious faith (or romantic passion) as one desires, despite exposure to dry classroom learning.
Your concerns are irrational.
By Buy Danish
May 9, 2006 11:41 PM | Link to this
finch,
Why don’t you ask the muslim radicals what their intentions are? They’re the one’s with the endless fatwas and jihads.
I’ve given you posts from a few articulate, and moderate muslims who dare to speak their mind. Unfortunately it’s quite dangerous for them to do so. Moderation is not ruling the day at the moment. And the media are too gutless to help them out. The groundswell is toward fanatacism, not peaceful co-existence.
That’s not my fault, nor the fault of a single American, and I’m tired of that sort of irrational and unhelpful blame being cast our way.
By Dusty
May 9, 2006 11:49 PM | Link to this
Kimberly,
I see that you find Seeker a paragon of truth and virtue.
According to the classifications posted by Seeker, we are either Infidel Americans or reactionary paranoids.
That makes YOU one or the other. Which one?
By finch
May 10, 2006 12:25 AM | Link to this
Danish,
I’ve read your links, and some of them are very informative. Some of them are off the wall. But the Islamic world, with up to 1.4 billion adherents is not a monolith focused on our extinction, as you repeatedly claim.
In this regard, seeker has a point, as sarcastic as it was.
There are 10s of thousands, maybe 100,000 Islamofascists who are, to varying degrees, devoting much of their lives to the destruction of the West. They are disorganized, but still dangerous. I suggest we bag the “spreading peace and democracy” dance, and hunt these suckers down and kill them.
How’s that sound?
By WashingtonState
May 10, 2006 01:07 AM | Link to this
It’s a cruel wprld out there:
The SCO and Iran Events
The latest developments surrounding the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) and Iran further underscore the dramatic change in the geopolitical position of the United States. The SCO was created in Shanghai on June 15, 2001, by Russia and China along with four former Soviet Central Asian republics, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. Prior to September 11, 2001, and the US declaration of an "axis of evil" in January 2002, the SCO was merely background geopolitical chatter as far as Washington was concerned. Today the SCO, which has to date been blacked out almost entirely in US mainstream media, is defining a new political counterweight to US hegemony and its "unipolar" world. At the next SCO meeting on June 15, Iran will be invited to become a full SCO member. And last month in Tehran, Chinese Ambassador Lio G Tan announced that a pending oil and gas deal between China and Iran was ready to be signed. The deal is said to be worth at least $100 billion, and includes development of the huge Yadavaran onshore oilfield. China's Sinopec would agree to buy 250 million tons of liquefied natural gas over 25 years. No wonder China is not jumping to back Washington against Iran in the United Nations Security Council. The US had been trying to put massive pressure on Beijing to halt the deal, for obvious geopolitical reasons, to no avail. Another major defeat for Washington. Iran is also moving on plans to deliver natural gas via a pipeline to Pakistan and India. Energy ministers from the three countries met in Doha recently and plan to meet again this month in Pakistan. The pipeline progress is a direct rebuff to Washington's efforts to steer investors clear of Iran. Ironically, US opposition is driving these countries into one another's arms, Washington's "geopolitical nightmare". At the same SCO meeting next month, India, which Bush is personally trying to woo as a geopolitical Asian "counterweight" to China, will also be invited to join the organization, as well as Mongolia and Pakistan. The SCO is gaining in geopolitical throw-weight quite substantially. Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mohammadi told ITAR-Tass in Moscow last month that Iranian membership in the SCO could "make the world more fair". He also spoke of building an Iran-Russia "gas-and-oil arc" in which the two giant energy producers would coordinate activities.By rushncap
May 10, 2006 01:10 AM | Link to this
Mmmmmm, Jon Stewart ripping Rummy a new one tonight. That was… quite a sight to behold. And ripping Fox “News” a new one as well. So damn funny.
By Ray
May 10, 2006 01:20 AM | Link to this
Hog Man Danish. Climb into your roach nest and shut up & go to sleep. Won’t be long now before anuther won o thum NASCAR raice ventures.
Let’s give our “I’m a scientist” urine specialist Dusty room to drool here a bit more. Our scientist so he repeats. Bet he’s another phony “Nam vet” here too. Yawwwn. Pitiful. Just pitiful.
By GOD
May 10, 2006 01:23 AM | Link to this
Jesus: way to go, Son. I’m proud of you.
By Liberal Lucy
May 10, 2006 01:40 AM | Link to this
rushncap, err, pipsqueaks…You make me proud to be a lib!
By rushncap
May 10, 2006 01:59 AM | Link to this
You’re about as good a liberal as Bush is President, Lucy.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Racism
May 10, 2006 04:35 AM | Link to this
Hillary Clinton defends link with Murdoch
Hillary Clinton defended her warming relationship on Tuesday with Rupert Murdoch, the conservative media mogul. Commenting on Mr Murdoch’s decision to host a fundraiser for her Senate-election campaign, Mrs Clinton said: “He’s my constituent and I’m very gratified that he thinks I’m doing a good job.”
Whatever, Faux News is gone from my favorites list.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 10, 2006 04:52 AM | Link to this
This is how a liberal will “help:”
The United Nation’s “sex-for-food” scandal continues to spread. As the human rights group Save the Children documents in a new report, U.N. peacekeepers in the war-torn, refugee-rich Liberia have been accused of selling food for sex from girls as young as 8. They are the latest victims in a growing tragedy that includes girls from Burundi, Ivory Coast, East Timor, Congo, Cambodia and Bosnia, proving correct a prediction made last year by the assistant secretary-general at the United Nations for peacekeeping operations. “We think this will look worse before it begins to look better,” she said last May after efforts to investigate peacekeepers in Congo had fallen short. The report found abuse at all age levels from 8 to 18, though the victims older than 12 were identified as being “regularly involved in ‘selling sex’.” But “all of the respondents clearly stated that they felt that the scale of the problem affected over half of the girls in their locations,” the report said.
Looks like they are acting unilaterally.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 10, 2006 05:01 AM | Link to this
*Second, almost no one today knows anything about history. No one has context. But life without historical context is shallow and unsatisfactory. If you don’t know how mankind suffered in World War II, if you don’t know how your fellow Jews or Slavs suffered in the Holocaust, if you do not know what Communism did to fifty million good people, you cannot possibly know how blessed your life in the United States of America is in 2006. If you do not know how much your grandparents had to work to get you where you are, you cannot know how precious that car your parents gave you is, or how lucky it is that you can study without having to work at a part-time job. If you do not know how your fellow African Americans were treated in rural 1920s Mississippi, you cannot know how lucky you are to live in an America that has the opportunities this nation now affords men and women of every race.
America has become a great big playpen full of whining as-s liberal babies. Your ancestors would be overwhelmed by what you have and they never bi-tched about what little they had.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 10, 2006 05:09 AM | Link to this
And as it was put by Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La. — sounding for all the world like a free-market, energy-bullish conservative — “The nation has a need for more oil and gas, and we are the nation’s only Energy Coast. We’ve got to increase our supply, not decrease it; and we also have to conserve more. But the host states along the Gulf Coast are the ones who make offshore energy possible. So particularly after hurricanes Katrina and Rita, we need to use our fair share of these royalties to build better, stronger levees and to restore our eroding wetlands — the first line of defense against oncoming storms. This is literally a life-or-death situation for the people of my state, and it is imperative that this new source of revenue come to help us in the long term rebuilding efforts of the Gulf Coast.”
For reasons of compassion, sovereignty, national security, and economics, more drilling is a vital necessity. For Congress to fail to act, especially in the light of gasoline at more than $3 per gallon and rising, would be unconscionable.
By The AJC Promotes Hate And Ignorance
May 10, 2006 05:27 AM | Link to this
How intelligent is this agency?
There are lessons here for Gen. Hayden, starting with the fact that it helps to run an organization where leaks, when they happen, are authorized and purposeful. In recent years, the CIA has lost that ability, in part because of a deep-seated ideological animus to the Bush administration (witness the careers of anti-Bush partisans Valerie Plame, Paul Pillar, Michael Scheuer and Mary McCarthy), but also, it seems, as payback from careerists who felt rudely handled by Mr. Goss. If you want to plug leaks—and manage change—try getting the troops on board.
By Buy Danish
May 10, 2006 08:20 AM | Link to this
But the Islamic world, with up to 1.4 billion adherents is not a monolith focused on our extinction, as you repeatedly claim.
finch,
Unlike some of those who post here who think all Christians are fundamentalist kooks, I make a distinction between radical Islamofascists and moderates.
I don’t know where you get your 100,000 number - I would bet the number if far higher. But regardless of the numbers, because of their uniquely savage behavior, which thinks nothing of blowing up themselves, their children, or even their own cultural history, they are far more dangerous than your run of the mill army conscript.
Unlike the perennial lib who blames America for their bad behavior, I lay the blame squarely where it belongs - at their own feet, in their own mosques, by their own demonic leaders.
The fact that they are radicalized is not the fault of George Bush, and the constant braying about Iraq inspiring them to violent jihad is not only offensive, it is counter-productive, and only serves to cheer their grisly, sub-human fervor on to greater depths of depravity.
With modern Europe as the warning, I would be very wary of muslim immigration, and would limit it to those who are undeniably yearning assimilate, to embrace our traditions of liberty, not to conquer us.