Mike Luckovich

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 08:07 AM | Link to this

Well ml, everyday we read about how the infrastructure was worse than pre-war levels and I haven’t read anything about that in about a year. Why would that be ml? Iraq may fail and American’s resolve may wane, leaving the Iraqi’s hanging and I have to wonder what part the MSM had in the dissolve of American resolve?

How are the schools in Iraq? Do they have internet access in Iraq? Do they have a free press in Iraq? Do they have private property rights in Iraq? Do they have personal freedoms in Iraq they never had under Saddam? I would never know unless I sought that info out in an attempt to balance the objectivity of the MSM.

No I’m not saying everything is going peachy, but I know of no war or conflict that has been perfect, especially by today’s media standards. How would the current AJC have reported Operation Overlord during WWII?

I especially like the dems stance of we wouldn’t have directly confronted Saddam’s deception, but if we did we would have done it better.

By Souldrift

March 29, 2006 08:38 AM | Link to this

Scooter, this is yet another “story” designed to take your eye off the ball. You’re falling for it, and so are many others.

By @@

March 29, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this

ml, quit hiding in shame. Come out from behind that “Christmas” tree.

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 08:56 AM | Link to this

Souldrift, yeah buddy. I have refused to buy into the dems double speak, have you?

Saddam kicked out UN inspectors in October of 1998 and Nancy Pelosi talked of how big a threat Saddam was in December of 1998. So without the inspections how did Nancy come to her current position and why should I believe her “story”? Saddam made a mockery of inspections and was waiting for sanctions to end. I won’t play into his hands so the dems can get back in power.

Souldrift, I try to get my info from objective sources and Blog and Tan does not qualify, but thanks. I also accept that there is no objectivity, everyone has their personal bias, you and I included.

By liberal Texas Democrat

March 29, 2006 08:57 AM | Link to this

I expect, now, for this blog to be flooded with links to all the POSITIVE news stories from Iraq as reported by The Washington Times, The Wall Street Journal, and the Iraq bureau of the Fox News Channel, meanwhile I’m off for the day to register more voters.

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

The media have done a great job of covering Cindy Sheehan. Now why aren’t they covering the inside story of who’s behind all these immigration protests

Hat Tip: @@

finch,

These people aren’t in the mainstream of liberals are they?

BTW, The above link may take a moment to open. It appears that their server is overloaded with inquiring minds.

By Midori

March 29, 2006 09:22 AM | Link to this

Saddam kicked out UN inspectors in October of 1998

Hans Blix took them back in, and Bush withdrew them in 2003 so that he could bomb them into the stone age.

Your point?

By Wild Sects

March 29, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

liberal Texas Democrat is exactly right. If FAUX News doesn’t even report all the “good news” then that means there’s not too much to report. Come on wingnuts - let’s see some links to the good stuff. You all say it’s there. Show us.

By Midori

March 29, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

Scooter,

Get with it.

You’re thinking with a pre-9/11 mindset.

By Alison

March 29, 2006 09:24 AM | Link to this

GREAT cartoon, Mike! Good to see the majority of Atlantans agree, too! I imagine all the usual OTP naysayers are still posting lies and propaganda here, per the GOP rule of law.

By Joe Roman

March 29, 2006 09:25 AM | Link to this

Mike captures the absurdity of the attempts to put a positive spin on the smybolic centerpiece of this disasterous administration. I don’t usually do this sort of thing, but let me recommend a book. It’s “The March of Folly” by Barbara Tuchman. In it, Tuchman uses the Trojan Wars, six renaissance popes whose immoral indolence led to the protestant secession, British policies in colonial America and the Vietnam War to illustrate how folly can blind decision makers to reality and lead to disaster. If she was alive today, this Iraq mess would unquestionably make the perfect addendum. How did the neo-conservative think tankers who set these policies in motion earn their advanced degrees? How did they become so disconnected from reality?

By Midori

March 29, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

To read the 34 short pages (pp.20-54) at the heart of former chief UN arms inspector Scott Ritter’s book, War On Iraq (Ritter and William Rivers Pitt, Profile Books, 2002), is to understand the utter fraudulence and staggering immorality of the proposed war on Iraq. In these pages, Ritter describes exactly how and why Iraq has been “fundamentally disarmed”, with 90-95% of its weapons of mass destruction eliminated. Of nuclear weapons capability, for example, Ritter says:

“When I left Iraq in 1998… the infrastructure and facilities had been 100% eliminated. There’s no doubt about that. All of their instruments and facilities had been destroyed. The weapons design facility had been destroyed. The production equipment had been hunted down and destroyed. And we had in place means to monitor - both from vehicles and from the air - the gamma rays that accompany attempts to enrich uranium or plutonium. We never found anything.” (p.26)

Ritter explains how UN arms inspectors (Unscom) roamed the country monitoring Iraq’s chemical, biological and nuclear facilities, installing sensitive sniffers and cameras and performing no-notice inspections:

“We blanketed Iraq - every research and development facility, every university, every school, every hospital, every beer factory…” (p.38)

Are we seriously to believe that a country that permitted such thorough, intrusive and effective inspections leading to 90-95% disarmament just four years ago, is suddenly hell-bent on secretly developing weapons of mass destruction now? How could this be when, as Ritter says, such efforts would be easily detectable by modern technology?

By Wilma Lamb

March 29, 2006 09:26 AM | Link to this

Sign up for Moveon and call voters in California to replace a scumbag (Duke Cunningham) with a Democrat and maybe we can get free unbiased news once again rather than what is dictated from the WH. Remember King George’s remark about dictators on inaugeration day? sickofsleaze

By getalife

March 29, 2006 09:29 AM | Link to this

I thought W was joking when he said that but he wasn’t. They tried showing a good story showing a new school built with our money and then started talking to the people and they were very upset with the security and blame us.

It would seem they could embed a reporter and travel in Iraq to film these good stories. As long as they do not let the Iraqis speak.

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

Hmmmm. I posted a comment over here but I guess they don’t have that 5 minute rule over there.

This is a great story, and while it doesn’t have anything to do with good news or bad news, it does illustrate the problems that arise when we of raise a nation of poorly educated p.c. wusses, unfamiliar with the classics but really knowledgeable about social geography and women’s studies.

By Joe Roman

March 29, 2006 09:34 AM | Link to this

Oh yeah, Scooter. Freedom of the press. Have you forgotten how Muktada al Sadr was catapulted from relative obscurity to international prominence after WE shut down his newspaper? If you are going to be blind, at least get a white cane. By now, anybody who buys into this “what about the good news?” mentality has lost all credibility. It falls into the “Other than that, did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?” school of twisted optimism.

By Spin Cycle

March 29, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

Everything is wonderful in Iraq and has been since we invaded. All the IEDs, shootings, beheadings, religious sanctuary destructions, kidnappings, assasinations, protests, and elections of fundamentalist representatives and constitutions are all just falsehoods invented by the left wing media to fool us so that we can’t see what wonderful fun-loving, tolerant, accepting, democracy loving people the Iraqis really are. It’s obvious that the liberal media just wants to destroy the American way of life because they hate themselves, their kids and loved ones and really want them to be enslaved to a socialist Marxian Leninist liberal pinko pervert communist lying and sucking state.

By Redneck

March 29, 2006 09:39 AM | Link to this

Maybe things are not getting better in Iraq. One fact that came out last week is as follows. Before the fall of Saddam there were just 3,000 cell phones in all of Iraq. In December of 2005 there were over 10,000,000. Common sense tells me that if things were as bad as the left wing media would have us believe there wouldn’t be that large of an increase in cell phones over there. Had conversation with a young Army Sgt this past week. I have know him since he was about 7 yrs old. He was home on R&R for two weeks. This is his second tour in Iraq. He said that other than Baghdad and a few other hot spots it was relatively safe in Iraq. He also said that he watches as much news as possible and there is a lot of good going on that is not reported. He had some very unflattering remarks about the news media which I will not divulge.

By Redneck

March 29, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

I would ask Joe Roman “when was the last time you were in Iraq or when was the last time you actually sat down and talked with someone who had been in Iraq, or someone who had worn the uniform and actually fought in Iraq? If you will get off the “MoveOn” website or the DNC site you might get some honest assessments of what is going on over there. By the way did you know that we occupied West Germany for 50 years after WWII. In fact we still have troops there. We have only been in Iraq for just over 3 years. You expect a miracle or do you think war is something you play on a computer or read about in a comic book. Give me a break.

By Joe Roman

March 29, 2006 09:47 AM | Link to this

Oh, good yardstick, Redneck. The only trouble is 9,999,000 are used to detonate roadside bombs. In the thirties, the Italians used to say, “At least Mussolini made the trains run on time”. Now, I suppose the Iraqis can say, “At least the Americans gave us cellphones.”. Pretty weak, Redneck.

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 09:51 AM | Link to this

Midori,

Great hindsight on Ritter’s part. Maybe his connection with Shakir al Khafaji, who coincidentally contributed $5,000 to Bagdhad Jim McDermott (D-Washington)immediately after his trip to Iraqplayed a part in his conversion

In 2004 he was reported by the Wall Street Journal to have received funds from Saddam Hussein and to have helped bankroll the lobbying activities of former weapons-inspector turned anti-sanctions activist, Scott Ritter - notably $400,000 for a 2000 documentary In Shifting Sands on the effects of the sanctions.

Follow the money.

I also learned an interesting tidbit about Mc Dermott yesterday. He is a member of The Genocidal Intervention Network

I guess if you’re a liberal, intervention just means you take away their drugs or alcohol.

For more on McDermott [see](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_McDermott.He is about to be $700,000 poorer. Maybe he can get a full time job working for Shakir al Khafaji.

By Spin Cycle

March 29, 2006 09:52 AM | Link to this

Pervert liberals also hate cell phones, the truest indicator of freedom and democracy.

By getalife

March 29, 2006 09:55 AM | Link to this

D-amn Joe,

I was thinking the same thing.

Redneck,

Please share more.

and there is a lot of good going on that is not reported.

By SarahConnah

March 29, 2006 09:58 AM | Link to this

10 million cell phones! WONDERFUL! Train’n up dem EyeRakys to annoy the public with their pointless personal business! More bucks for Cingular et al…good for the great satan and associated minions! Hurry! Hurry! Get up those pizza huts and chinese take outs up and running! Since when did cell phones signal progress?! How many of those lil’ devices of wonder are tuned into IED’s? SHEESH! I hear porno is big over there as well. Label that as progress too? The terrorist’ists don’t worry me near as much as the Bush sycophants!

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

Hans Blix took them back in, and Bush withdrew them in 2003 so that he could bomb them into the stone age.

Midori,

By candide

March 29, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

Lieber Heinrich: the press does not tell the truth about our beloved Germany. Crime is down, homosexuals are arrested, the gene pool is defended, autoroutes are built, unemployment is abolished, and the youth is healthy engaged in physical effort. But all you here is the bad news about the Jews and the camps. What am I to do? Regards, Adolf

By @@

March 29, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

Followed BD over. Wouldn’t want to miss this opportunity to reveal the source of our current internal war.

Thanks “Tedious Ty-RANT-ical Ted”. A link within a link. But I know how the liberals like to avoid the exposure of “their own”.

By Joe Roman

March 29, 2006 10:22 AM | Link to this

Pretty pitiful stuff from the chickenhawks. They make Polyanna look realistic. Will all those who think there is good news to be had from Iraq hold up your deed to the Brooklyn bridge?

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 10:24 AM | Link to this

I will assume there were no WMD’s prior to our invasion, but I would like further understanding of why Saddam should be back under the watchful eye of the UN. I would further like for someone to tell me what Saddam would be up to if the UN was still in charge.

“Saddam never abandoned his intentions to resume a CW effort when sanctions were lifted and conditions were judged favorable:”

Saddam and many Iraqis regarded CW as a proven weapon against an enemy�s superior numerical strength, a weapon that had saved the nation at least once already�during the Iran-Iraq war�and contributed to deterring the Coalition in 1991 from advancing to Baghdad.

Am I to believe that no action was the best course because others say so? Was it better to wait and suffer the consequences of our avoidance?

Saddam won’t be decieving anyone any longer, now will he?

By getalife

March 29, 2006 10:31 AM | Link to this

I wonder if W and Blair were p** because they were not getting any of the “oil for food” corruption money?

By Joe Roman

March 29, 2006 10:48 AM | Link to this

What on earth motivates you Bush syncophants? Every action this administration has taken has resulted in failure…. EVERY SINGLE ONE!

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

getalife,

At least you are admitting that there was an oil for food scandal at the U.N., where the Security Council members were bribed to stay out of Iraq.

That’s the first step. 11 More to go.

By gadem

March 29, 2006 11:01 AM | Link to this

Well Joe Roman…that is not exactly not true. They have been successful in dividing the nation, slandering the name of honest people, and raising the national debt.

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

Scooter,

Scott Ritter’s resignation letter is a good [read].(http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1998/08/980826-ritter.htm)

It’s amazing what $400,000 will do to rewrite history.

By sct

March 29, 2006 11:07 AM | Link to this

Your tax dollars at work: 10,000,000 Iraqi cellphones.

By phil

March 29, 2006 11:09 AM | Link to this

Nice one, candide. Mike, keep up the good work.

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 11:10 AM | Link to this

Gadem, wasn’ it the dems who changed their tune about Saddam’s threat between 1998 and now?

Slandering the name of honest people could be said about both sides, so don’t try to hold the high ground on that one.

By getalife

March 29, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

BD,

Bolten said the UN needs “a cultural revolution” due to corruption. I could not help thinking yes and what about the “Gang Of Pirates we have in Washington?

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 11:12 AM | Link to this

BD, rewriting history is easy and Scott Ritter’s statements have been all over the map since the mid 90’s. So, I don’t give much credence to his statements.

By Joe Roman

March 29, 2006 11:14 AM | Link to this

Point well taken, gadem. They have also succeeded in making people like you and me look like political geniuses. It was too easy, though. Wasn’t it?

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 11:18 AM | Link to this

More on Scott “I sorta changed my mind” Ritter:

Hero of Doves forgets when he was a Hawk

And what’s [this](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/story/54727p-51227c.html}about? I’d like nothing more than to be a vocal opponent to this war, to being an effective voice to the anti-war movement. Sweet.

Here’s the UPI recap of the story - [somthing finch refers to as “trolling for girls”] (http://www.upi.com/inc/view.php?StoryID=20030122-091722-8355r)

Thanks to Midori for bringing up Scott Ritter today.

By Midori

March 29, 2006 11:19 AM | Link to this

What on earth motivates you Bush syncophants? Every action this administration has taken has resulted in failure…. EVERY SINGLE ONE!

and yet they still perform verbal and mental gymnastics, twisting and contorting which way imaginable trying to defend that moron and his many, many lies and failures.

By finch

March 29, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

The media have done a great job of covering Cindy Sheehan? As in not covering? Her name’s brought up by the right wing far more than the MSM these days. She’s a non-person.

This is what liberals think of Cindy

It’s amusing to see tiny groups of leftists credited with the throngs that have been appearing at immigration marches the past 2 weeks. Blame the DJs if you blame anyone. Fringe elements who try to hijack this issue will remain fringe elements.

@@,

Don’t blame 1965’s Ted Kennedy for the immigration flap.

President Reagan set the stage for this play when he signed the 1986 immigration reform bill, which was a gift to Latin American immigrants. Even conservatives see that.

The Moonie Times says as much. Out of respect for his legacy, I presume, it doesn’t mention Reagan’s name.

“The illegal population replenished itself in less than a decade following the 1986 amnesty. The number of illegal alien residents doubled from 1990 to 2000, from 3.5 million to 7 million. By 2005, about 10 million illegal aliens lived in the United States — more than triple the number of IRCA amnesty recipients, triple the illegal alien population in 1980 and twice the level of illegal immigration in 1996.”

Yeah. This is all Ted Kennedy’s fault.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

By Wild Sects March 29, 2006 09:23 AM Come on wingnuts - let’s see some links to the good stuff. You all say it’s there. Show us.

March 27, 2006, 5:52 a.m. The Other Side of the Story A third update on good news from Iraq.

By Bill Crawford

Welcome to another dose of good news about Iraq. (See here and here for more.) After my last report, I received an avalanche of positive feedback about the story of the bullet-proof cross, requesting more stories like that. So I’ve done that, and at the end of this update there are several more stories about the wonderful men and women in our armed forces.

It all depends on what you want to hear, pinko. Are you struck stupid with hatred for your country like the rest of these POS liberals?

By gadem

March 29, 2006 11:20 AM | Link to this

Scooter, you seem to forget that it was the Bush goon squad that questioned the character of John McCain, John Kerry, and anyone else that questions the policies.

By Midori

March 29, 2006 11:21 AM | Link to this

Gadem, wasn’ it the dems who changed their tune about Saddam’s threat between 1998 and now?

So, the Democrats invaded Iraq and blew it to Kingdom Come?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

More of what the libs don’t want to hear or see:

Free Iraqi I was not living before the 9th of April and now I am, so let me speak!

They’ll take Richard Cohen’s word in a heart beat cause it sounds good to them, but an Iraqi living in country, he’s a freaking liar.

By Midori

March 29, 2006 11:24 AM | Link to this

Thank you, Buy Danish.

Scott Ritter has more credibility in his pinky than that of your entire body.

You see, I tend to believe someone who was ACTUALLY THERE in 1998, regardless of your red herrings and claptrap.

There’s a reason that case was dismissed and put under seal. Why don’t you “investigate” that?

Thanks again.

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 11:25 AM | Link to this

Scooter,

Midori cares about Ritter.

Getalife,

Is that Bolten or Bolton? Is George Bush in this Gang of Pirates? Good luck making that connection.

Who exactly is in this gang? I get stuck after I count on 2 fingers - Abramoff, Cunningham, and …………? Even then I don’t see a connection between them - different scandals altogether.

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 11:26 AM | Link to this

Woops, my links are failing today. I’m running out - I’ll try to do better later.

By Joe Roman

March 29, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

I’m watching a documentary on the War of 1812 on The History Channel while making occasional trips to my computer to keep up with this conversation. Compared to that time 194 years ago, what small people now occupy positions of power in this country.

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 11:33 AM | Link to this

Gadem, I didn’t say the republicrats don’t smear honest people and I don’t know how you came to that conclusion. Go argue with yourself.

Midori, no the democrats want to trust the UN to be effective in their 17th, 18th, 19th Resolution and I assume you do too.

Midori, Saddam wanted to reconstitute his programs once sanctions were lifted or eroded enough and the dems wanted to play into his plans. It would have been easier to ignore the deception and let the UN deal with it.

And Midori, why don’t you address Saddam’s intentions and how you would’ve dealt with them. You are certainly smart enough to field that one by yourself.

By Eric

March 29, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

Saddam was contained. The only consequence to us of not going to war would be that our troops would still be alive and none of the living would be wounded and maimed for life. And the billions of wasted dollars could be wasted here at home instead.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 11:44 AM | Link to this

Terrorists have benefited greatly from a variety of aspects of the advancing technology era: cell phones and Internet chat rooms to help coordinate plans and logistics; wire transfers to move money at a moment’s notice; web sites to spread the hate and the techniques of violent jihad. One could argue, however, that the greatest asset terrorists have acquired in the past half-decade is the skill to manipulate a global mass media that broadcasts in real-time with high-definition clarity.

Whether it’s to send a message on the eve of an election in Spain or America, or to continue to try and instill the perception that they are winning in Iraq with bombs and beheadings, terrorists can now capture the world’s attention and create headlines around the globe more or less at will.

The negative effects of the new media environment are magnified by the virulent anti-Americanism pumped out by foreign media outlets around the globe (particularly in the Arab world) and by a post-Vietnam media culture in the U.S. that refuses to tread anywhere near the type of positive reporting or depiction of U.S. military personnel that characterized the World War II era for fear of being seen as propagandists for the administration.

By B.P.O.E

March 29, 2006 11:50 AM | Link to this

I talked to a soldier that is in Baghdad. He said that everything is going so swell over there that anyone of them cellphones that call “911” gets this message. (This is what the liberal media is not reporting, seems as though things are pretty calm there.)

This is Baghdad 911……

…to welcome the US troops as liberators press #1.

…To send your thanks to an American soldier that was seen giving candy to a child press #2.

…To thank Bush for getting all them pesky WMD’s out of Iraq press #3, bringing democracy press #4, halting terrorism press #5, ridding the world of Saddam press #6. (Numbers 7, 8, 9, reserved for future use.)

…To convert to Christianity press 10.

By Kerry

March 29, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

We can all rest easy now knowing there are more cell phones in Iraq. gee whiz, we’ve all been worried for nothing! Cell phone usage is up so all must be good with the world! Hallelujiah!

By getalife

March 29, 2006 11:58 AM | Link to this

BD,

Sorry, Bolton. W is captain of the ship and the ship is sinking. This is what happens when you let lobbyists control legislation.

The American people should vote for change and learn from this failed administration. The Gang Of Pirates should never control anything.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 12:02 PM | Link to this

The media has always been biased, but only relatively recently in our history have they not been transparent about it. The claim that reporters possess some sort of mystical objectivity not available to mere mortals is only a recent invention.

In the past, newspapers wore their bias on their masthead, and we still have remnants of that today. The Arkansas Democrat Gazette and the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle to name a couple. William Rockhill Nelson used the Kansas City Star to crusade for urban reform in the 1800s, while William Randolph Hearst more infamously used his newspaper empire to provoke a war with Spain at the turn of the century.

While most Americans (and the rest of the world) have to depend on a few hundred reporters to get their information on what is happening in Iraq, we at The Truth About Iraq.org were lucky enough to be able to ask thousands - tens of thousands - of Iraqis their opinions of what is happening in Iraq.

We’ve identified some of the major myths manufactured by the media, and we have tried to counter them with statistically valid public opinion research.

The truth is better than you think. Be proud America.

thetruthaboutiraq.org

By finch

March 29, 2006 12:05 PM | Link to this

liberal Texas Democrat raises such a good point!

Why is Fox ignoring the good news in Iraq?

The Wall Street Journal?

The New York Post?

The Moonie Times??

Why do they hate America?

By Joe Roman

March 29, 2006 12:06 PM | Link to this

It seems as if the chickenhawks are cutting and pasting posts from the run up to the invasion. Repeating lies and delusions doesn’t make them true or realistic. Face it. You’ve hitched your wagon to a rock.

By Midori

March 29, 2006 12:09 PM | Link to this

Gee Andy,

that “Free Iraqi” doesn’t have very much to say, does he?

By getalife

March 29, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

Let’s see if Iraq really wants a government. Who will be first to for a government Hamas or Iraq?

My guess is Hamas because they are not on American welfare.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

By finch March 29, 2006 12:05 PM liberal Texas Democrat raises such a good point! Why is Fox ignoring the good news in Iraq?The Moonie Times??

History lessons TODAY’S EDITORIAL Washington Times March 29, 2006

Jan. 23, 2003: “Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real.” — Sen. John Kerry

By RE

March 29, 2006 12:15 PM | Link to this

Andy, I like the link, especially the link to the myth of winning the peace. Apparently, the Iraqis are more confident in the direction of their country and the competence of it;s leadership than the US citizen are of theirs.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

By finch March 29, 2006 12:05 PM liberal Texas Democrat raises such a good point! Why is Fox ignoring the good news in Iraq?The Wall Street Journal??

Common Name, Uncommon Valor The story of Paul Smith, the Iraq War’s only Medal of Honor recipient so far.

BY RALPH KINNEY BENNETT Wall Street Journal Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 12:18 PM | Link to this

Midori: You have to click on the blue text in my post to get Free Iraqi’s blog to come up, hun.

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

Saddam was contained… Saddam was contained and I in my infinite liberal wisdom know for sure there was no way Saddam would have given any illicit material, once reconstituted, to any terrorist organization set on destroying the “west”. I am so confident in my liberal objective wisdom that I would bet American civilian lives on the effectiveness of the UN and the honor of Saddam Hussein. You all keep sellin that, heck you bought it so why won’t others.

I also love how you all globbed onto the cell phone bit and unknowingly are arguing that Iraq should still be under the isolation imposed by Saddam’s regime.

No free press, no satellite dishes, just what Saddam and his sons let into Iraq and no more. Afterall Saddam was winning elections with 98 percent approval and the UN said nothing, so it must have been valid. Perhaps Jimmy Carter should have gone over, monitored and verified caus ehe is so good at it.

Certainly times are hard for some Iraqis now, read Sunni’s, but might they get better for all in due time? I accept they may not get better do you accept they may? Of course not you say, we should’ve continued to trust the UN and ignore the threat posed by Saddam until a democrat got in office. Afterall, during Clinton’s presidency the dems saw Saddam’s deception as a threat, but you all knew better cause you are objective and rational. Cool headed and not clouded with hate, right?

By finch

March 29, 2006 12:28 PM | Link to this

Suck,

So Kerry was blinded by the propaganda from the neocons, too. What’s your point?

And we know and respect American heroes. Hats off to the WSJ.

But where’s the GOOD news, huh?? Stunning military victories, the insurgents captured or fleeing, water and power restored to all of Baghdad, a stable government, safe streets…

You now… the GOOD news?

By getalife

March 29, 2006 12:34 PM | Link to this

There are some photos of Iraq news in the headline of the AJC homepage. Check them out.

By Conservatives Swallow

March 29, 2006 12:38 PM | Link to this

Perhaps we should pre-emptively strike and blow up Republicans before they destroy our country and the planet.

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 12:42 PM | Link to this

Conservatives Swallow, I think you should.

“Soldiers from 2nd and 4th Battalion, 2nd Brigade 5th Iraqi Army Division conduct an operation which resulted in the capturing of suspected terrorists. The 5th IA Division continues to demonstrate the ability to take the lead in securing Iraq.”

“BAGHDAD, Iraq – Across Iraq, Coalition and Iraqi forces continue to disrupt and diminish terrorist and anti-Iraqi forces, while the Iraqi government faces its new responsibilities…”

“The wire service cited Iraqi Police sources in Haswa , Iraq as saying a minibus sped toward them while its passenger sprayed gunfire.”

“Police returned fire and the bus exploded, killing the two insurgents. The report said three mortars then fell on the police station without causing injury.”

Those Iraqis better hurry up training before the truly committed and intelligent of America get our troops out, leaving Iraq to hang like Bush 41 did the Kurds.

By RW-(the original)

March 29, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

finch,

You may not have heard, but Saddam is on trial (a little kangaroo courtish, but on trial nonetheless). The Iraqi people voted on an interim government, they then voted to approve their Constitution, then they voted in a new parliamentary style government with many women holding positions of power.

Vast areas of the country are stable. Their is a huge electronics business in Baghdad selling satellite dishes and those evil cell phones. An aside, when did all the moonbats start dissing cell phones? Newspaper stands are covered up with dozens of daily papers that are free to report news of the world.

The country’s infrastructure, which was in shambles under Saddam, is being built at an extremely rapid pace.

Your point that there can be NO GOOD news until there is ALL GOOD news is a complete and total liberal pipe dream and I dare say most of the people claiming the horrors of Iraq would be marveling at the progress were a Democrat in the White House.

I might exclude you from that last assessment, you seem to have deep seated issues that Iraq should have been left to rot under Saddam, but at least you are more honest about it.

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 12:48 PM | Link to this

And the best part from my link ^^^^;

“An examination of the bus revealed the driver’s hands had been chained to the steering wheel.”

The abundant terrorist recruits sure seem to be committed don’t they?

By Joe Roman

March 29, 2006 12:52 PM | Link to this

Here’s some good news about the Iraq invasion. On Mike’s comment page, those of us who opposed the invasion have won in a rout over those who supported it. “I love the smell of hot microprocessors in the afternoon. It smells like……………victory.”

By FoxNews

March 29, 2006 12:53 PM | Link to this

FoxNews is asking any Iraqi that is interested in being in the back drop of one of our “live” interviews to reserve your space by using your cellphone to text message us now! Just type in the words “fair and balanced” and send it to us now! First 50 messages earn McDonalds coupons!

Must be enthusiastic and be willing to wave one of our flags.

By Conservatives Swallow

March 29, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

RW, please, STFU. You go on trying to justify the actions of the worst US administration ever. It won’t change how history will look down upon you and yours.

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 12:54 PM | Link to this

“NO GOOD news until there is ALL GOOD news” I like that RW. Very representative of the defensive nature of the left when someone tries to paint a not so doom and gloom scenario.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

By finch March 29, 2006 12:05 PM liberal Texas Democrat raises such a good point! Why is Fox ignoring the good news in Iraq?The New York Post??

IRAQ: THE UNTOLD TRUTHS New York Post March 7, 2006 — BAGHDAD

AMONG the many positive stories you aren’t being told about Iraq, the media ignored another big one last week: In the wake of the terrorist bombing of the Golden Mosque in Samarra, it was the Iraqi army that kept the peace in the streets.

By Moore Cowbell

March 29, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

You can never underestimate the amnesia of liberals. For such enlightened and tolerant people, they sure do hate a lot.

WMD’s. Saddam may have been contained, however in the post-9/11 world you can’t assume that someone that CONSTANTLY hindered inspections would not work with or sell WMDs to Al-Qaida or another terrorist group. And what happened to the “of course Saddam has WMD’s, we have the receipt” argument after the war started. They were pointing to our support of Saddam against Iran in the ’80s and our sales of chemical weapons to him to defend themselves in case Iran was able to overrun Iraqi defenses. Of course, the libs forget that. They point to the sell-out Ritter that the WMD’s were dismantled. Why then did Saddam continually posture as if he did have them? Why did he continually hinder inspections and shoot at our fighters patroling a no-fly zone, in express violation of the UN cease fire agreement. It is entirely possible that the WMD’s were moved in the weeks preceding invasion to Syria as is reported by senior Iraqi military leaders like General Georges Sada, former head of the Iraqi air force. But WMD’s were not the real reason for the invasion, it was used as the major selling point to gain publice support.

In a post invasion interview on Meet the Press with Colin Powell, Powell states Iraqs failure to comply with the UN resolutions and the terms of the cease fire were the main reasons for the invasion. After 9/11 Saddam could not be allowed to thumb his nose at the UN resolutions and at the US. It was the hope of the Bush Admin that the UN, fearing it’s sanctioning bodies would become irrelevant, would back us after the security council voted unanimously to approve the use of force if Saddam did not capitualate. (remember that Libs?) Of course the Oil for Food conspirators backed out once Saddam looked ready to call our bluff. In the Arab world, you can’t call out your enemy and then back down. Doing so only would have emboldened Saddam and Al-Qaida even more. And yes, isn’t the UN now irrelevant? What are they doing in Dharfur? Nothing. Watching genocide happen on a daily basis. We can’t do anything either because of troop commitments in Afghanistan and Iraq and the fact that the UN will not back any action taken there. Pathetic.

There may have been no direct link of Saddam to Osama Bin Laden but it is clear that Saddam did support terrorist groups within the region including Hezbolah and Hammas as well as Al-Zarchawi.

We may be in a fight we never intended to be in, but the choice wasn’t ours it was the UN’s and Saddam’s. Bush is not a great leader, or he would have been able to rally the nation around the real reasons for the war but it doesn’t change the fact that our country can not afford to lose this fight and all the liberal and press negativity does absolutely nothing but give comfort to our enemies. The Dems will win the White House in ‘08 and will have these issues to deal with in the middle east, and we are decades from being able to free ourselves from oil dependency. So you destructive Dems and Libs better get on the same page quick and start hoping for continued progress and hope we have a stable Iraq soon that can help us promote change in the region.

By RW-(the original)

March 29, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

CS,

If all you’ve got is suppression of free speech then I’ll continue to work my a-ss off to keep your side from gaining any real power.

By candide

March 29, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

Kill a Christian, Save America!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 01:04 PM | Link to this

By finch March 29, 2006 12:05 PM liberal Texas Democrat raises such a good point! Why is Fox ignoring the good news in Iraq?The Wall Street Journal??

I have just returned from my fourth trip to Iraq in the past 17 months and can report real progress there. More work needs to be done, of course, but the Iraqi people are in reach of a watershed transformation from the primitive, killing tyranny of Saddam to modern, self-governing, self-securing nationhood—unless the great American military that has given them and us this unexpected opportunity is prematurely withdrawn.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

By finch March 29, 2006 12:05 PM liberal Texas Democrat raises such a good point! Why is Fox ignoring the good news in Iraq?The Moonie Times??

Making the case By Donald Lambro Washington Times March 23, 2006

On the best side, Iraq is a country of 26 million people who have been freed from a brutal, repressive dictatorship, who have written and approved a self-governing constitution, and then trooped to the voting polls to elect their representatives despite death threats from terrorist insurgents.

Schools were opened to boys and girls alike. Freedom of the press led to establishing hundreds of independent newspapers, radio and television stations. People protested and rallied without fear of reprisals. Businesses blossomed, a stock market was begun, millions of cell phones appeared everywhere, Iraqis were going “on line.” And a nation has been reborn.

By finch

March 29, 2006 01:15 PM | Link to this

RW,

Many of the developments you’ve mentioned (elections, Saddam’s trial, etc.) have been dutifully covered by the MSM.

The claim that Iraq’s infrastructure is being “rebuilt at a rapid pace” is open to dispute.

Guerrilla attacks in Iraq have forced the cancellation of more than 60 percent of water and sanitation projects, in part because U.S. intelligence failed to predict the brutal insurgency, a U.S. government audit said.

BTW, wasn’t Iraqi oil revenue supposed to pay for this? It’s not.

So why is the Bush administration suggesting there’s a “good news coverup”? What’s the really good news that’s being ignored?

And why did the US single Iraq out for purging? It wasn’t the only country that was rotting under a despot. What made Iraq so darn special that intelligence had to be fixed around policy to justify military action?

Inquiring minds….

By Midori

March 29, 2006 01:16 PM | Link to this

Yeah, RW. Things are just peachy.

They are going so well, that we don’t need no stinking photos of IRAQ. Any ole spot will do

By Midori

March 29, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

*If all you’ve got is suppression of free speech then I’ll continue to work my a-ss off to keep your side from gaining any real power. *

shouldn’t your energies be directed at holding “your” side accountable for all the lies and screw ups?

What a f*cking patriot you are, RW.

By getalife

March 29, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

Why is W talking about Saddam’s crimes? Is the trial over?

By Souldrift

March 29, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

LSAL, Kerry was going off of the intelligence presented by the administration at the time, Bush/Cheney. With all their “mushroom cloud” rhetoric not having been proven false yet, Kerry and the Democrats were just as scared as Bush/Cheney Inc. wanted us to be.

By RE

March 29, 2006 01:22 PM | Link to this

On this whole lack of good news coming out ouf Iraq stuff, would anyone entertain the possibility that this is not some large conspiracy against the US, but that there may be a lot more bad news than good news to report. For every new school built or increase in safety or the effectiveness of the iraqi military, there seems to be 2 or three stories about IED attacks, mutilated bodies found, and people being kidnapped.

Any progress in Iraq is long term and does not lend itself to short one minute stories for the news like a beheading will. It is not a conspiracy, it is just a lot more bad news than good news is OCCURING in iraq

By Souldrift

March 29, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Scooter, “buddy,” you believe who you want. Watch what’s going on around you and what’s really happening.

And LSAL, i have to point this one out. You said “It all depends on what you want to hear, pinko. Are you struck stupid with hatred for your country like the rest of these POS liberals?”

I want to hear that we’re fighting a just war, or that we avoided a major catastrophe through diplomacy. Does that mean I get to see it? No.

There are opinions and there are facts, LSAL - you can’t have your own facts. Facts are not related to what you want to hear.

By Moore Cowbell

March 29, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Candide - another blinding beacon of tolerance and objectivity.

Do you liberals see how UNBELIEVABLY hypoctritical you are. I can’t decide whether it is ignorance or just plain old brain washing.

Don’t be so worried about the conservatives and the Christians, there will always be pleanty of dope out there for you to smoke. We are simply trying to help people that want to do something constructive in the world. You know, like defeat tyranny and terrorism.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 01:24 PM | Link to this

By finch March 29, 2006 12:05 PM liberal Texas Democrat raises such a good point! Why is Fox ignoring the good news in Iraq?

You may have noticed there are no good news stories about Iraq coming out of Faux News from me. As I have said before, do not be surprised when Fox endorses Hillary for President in 2008. Bill O’Reilly is a pinko. The libs have turned one of their better propaganda outlets into a hysterical moonbat strawman.

For instance, these left wing zealots are quoting Al Qaeda with advice on the fitness of one of their suicide bombers who is on trial in the United States:

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > U.S. & WORLD Al Qaeda Plotters Dismiss Moussaoui Role

Oh, so we should just let him go, right?

No one else sees the utter idiocy with this? Does Fox have a direct line with America’s sworn enemies? What else are they chatting about?

By getalife

March 29, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

• there will always be pleanty of dope out there for you to smoke*

There is the good news!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

Souldrift, that was really nice of you to share with all of us at 1:19, even if it was devoid of reality. The CIA shares it’s data with not only the Bush Administration but also the Senate Intelligence Committee which actually carries more of an oversight power than Bush does. Kerry is a member of what body of government?

Or a member of what committee?

Kerry often touts his eight years on the Senate Intelligence Committee as a prime qualification for office.

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 01:31 PM | Link to this

Souldrift, please show me the facts that warrant further acceptance of Saddam’s deciept in a post 9/11 world. I have been oh so eager to see what the “know it all” left knew that lead them to believe Saddam was no longer a threat. Of course most dems in 1998 saw him as a threat and a destabilizer of the region, but they had an epiphany of sorts. We all know congress could have called any expert they wanted to refute what the Admin was saying about Iraq. Do you not hold them accountable, or is it easier to say Bush lied to all of them and they bought it?

Honestly I look forward to you insight, perhaps I need it.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

By finch March 29, 2006 12:05 PM liberal Texas Democrat raises such a good point! Why is Fox ignoring the good news in Iraq?The Moonie Times??

On balance TODAY’S EDITORIAL Washington Times December 7, 2005

The first in a series of editorials on underreported good news from Iraq.

If Washington seems increasingly pessimistic about Iraq these days, Iraqis themselves aren’t. In fact, 47 percent of Iraqis surveyed by the International Republican Institute in October said that the country is headed in the right direction {37 percent said it wasn’t}. That’s a higher percentage than last year, when 42 percent of Iraqis thought so {45 percent did not} — despite the problematic ongoing security problems. Here are some of the underreported reasons why.

By RW-(the original)

March 29, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

finch,

Yes I can. Iraq was singled out for what you call special treatment because it was the only country rotting under a despot that we were also in a current state of war with.

Midori,

It’s not me telling everyone I disagree to shut up, dear. I am more than willing to have you present and prove your case. Sorry if I don’t just jump on the “Bush sucks” train just because it seems like the easy thing to do. Maybe we can keep people in office long enough to get the heavy lifting done this time instead of taking an eight year vacation from reality like we did from 1/20/1993 until 1/20/2001.

By RE

March 29, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

Bush vacation from reality 8/1/01-9/1/01

Draw your own conclusions

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

In all fairness RW, we were “Whacking Moles” during those 8 years, just like we always had. But, 9/11 tried to show us how that not work so good, but some want to continue, by insisting we catch OBL and turn him into a Martyr.

By Semper Fi

March 29, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this

Cowbell, hang around awhile. We can “EAT MORE CHICKEN”.

By getalife

March 29, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

Here is some good news

By RW-(the original)

March 29, 2006 01:54 PM | Link to this

RE,

Sure dude..If Bush had just invaded Afghanistan in August 2001 you would have been thrilled to no end with him.

Scooter,

I don’t think it counts as “Whacking Moles” when we only whacked the mole hills after the moles had gone elsewhere.

By Spin Cycle

March 29, 2006 02:03 PM | Link to this

Republicans have controlled the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government for only 6 years. Those f* Democrats keep making us screw-up, it’s their fault everything’s buggered. When we’re in power, government just runs real slow and we get the blame for the suck & liars failures while they get the praise for our good work when they take office. This is just another pinko commie liberal distortion of Albert Einstein’s work known as the “Republican Theory of Relativity”.

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 02:13 PM | Link to this

RW, I understand. I was simply using Bill’s terminology as I remember his explanation on how he would fight terrorism. When they pop up we will knock them down, like the Whack-A-Mole game, I remember his words. Bill was such an animated President who cannot be criticized so I will stop now.

Spin Cycle, in 1993 The WTC’s were almost brought down. In 2001 WTCs were brought down, do you only hold Bush Accountable. Afterall, Bush was in office for 7 or 8 months and that August 6th PDB said Middle-Easterners were looking at federal buildings.

Liberals are so quick to place blame and refuse to accept any for themselves.

By RE

March 29, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

Scooter, there is plenty of blame to go around on all sides, and hindsight makes everyone a genius. I know bush was only in office 8 months before the 9-11 attack, do you remember how long Clinton was in office when the first attack took place?

By RW-(the original)

March 29, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

Bill who? /just kidding

Wait until news of Bush’s Q & A gets out today. The crybabies will be swarming all over this place soon.

By Spin Cycle

March 29, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

Naw Scooter, I’m on your side good buddy. It’s those squirrely pinko Democrats that keep messing up the quarks and doppler effects of matter to make it seem like we are screwing up when it’s really them all the time. They keep it up and the whole space-time continuum will collapse and that will be their fault too. They ain’t just trying to destroy America, they’re trying to destroy the whole freakin universe.

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 02:35 PM | Link to this

RE, by no means am I trying to blame anyone and I’m not concerned with how long Clinton was in office prior to the 2003 attacks. I do know he was in office the vast majority of the time OBL was planning his successful 2001 attack and positioning his operatives in the US. What he could or could not have done is up for debate, but forgotten in the hatred of Bush. And many leftist have forbidden the mere mention of Clinton’s name. I also think Jamie Gorelick’s position on the 9/11 Commission was very suspect and biased, but that is spilt milk so whatever.

I simply think making Saddam answer for his 12 years of deception, while not capitulating and looking weak to muslims, was the best course of action in a post 9/11 world. I think that whole “Paper Tiger” argument needed to be debunked and Bush is doing that, no thanks to the left.

Good retort Spin Cycle, you’re really bringin out those facts.

By clark

March 29, 2006 02:39 PM | Link to this

Watching CSPAN for the last 34min. They have said nothing except: “I’d like to thank my esteemed colleague Sen….” and then the next person says: “Thank you, esteemed…”

I think ‘esteemed’ is a required word. Like ‘the’ in any Senator’s vocabulary.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

By finch March 29, 2006 12:05 PM liberal Texas Democrat raises such a good point! Why is Fox ignoring the good news in Iraq?The New York Post??

DUDE, WHERE’S MY CIVIL WAR? New York Post March 5, 2006

Maybe actually being on the ground in Iraq prevents me from seeing it. Perhaps the view’s clearer from Manhattan. It could be that my background as an intelligence officer didn’t give me the right skills.

And riding around with the U.S. Army, looking at things first-hand, is certainly a technique to which The New York Times wouldn’t stoop in such an hour of crisis.

Let me tell you what I saw anyway. Rolling with the “instant Infantry” gunners of the 1st Platoon of Bravo Battery, 4-320 Field Artillery, I saw children and teenagers in a Shia slum jumping up and down and cheering our troops as they drove by. Cheering our troops.

All day - and it was a long day - we drove through Shia and Sunni neighborhoods. Everywhere, the reception was warm. No violence. None.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

By finch March 29, 2006 12:05 PM liberal Texas Democrat raises such a good point! Why is Fox ignoring the good news in Iraq?The Moonie Times??

On balance TODAY’S EDITORIAL Washington Times December 13, 2005

Yesterday, Ambassador Dan Speckhard, head of the Iraq Reconstruction Management Office in Washington, reported that 30,000 new businesses have registered with the Iraqi government in the last year. “And who knows how many unregistered business starts there were?” he remarked to American Forces Press Service. “There is a huge ‘gray market’ that brings significant revenue.”

One mostly unremarked-upon sign of this vitality is the estimated 50-fold increase in Internet use since the fall of Saddam Hussein. According to the Brookings Institution’s Iraq Index, there are now more than 147,000 Internet users in Iraq, not counting Internet cafes, where hundreds of thousands more go online. That compares to 4,500 Internet users in Iraq before the war.

By Joe Roman

March 29, 2006 03:07 PM | Link to this

Don’tcha just love the way people like Scooter thinks spending trillions of dollars and thousands of American and Iraqi casualties is a fair price to pay to “send a message” to the jihadis? Of course, he is also offering yet another rationale for war from the chickenhawks. Is anybody keeping score? How many do we have now? Twenty? Thirty?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 03:08 PM | Link to this

By finch March 29, 2006 12:05 PM liberal Texas Democrat raises such a good point! Why is Fox ignoring the good news in Iraq?The Moonie Times??

On balance Washington Times March 1, 2006

The curfew that successfully quelled a wave of sectarian violence verging on civil war last week was led and enforced by Iraqi security forces with little or no active U.S. intervention.

By rushncap

March 29, 2006 03:12 PM | Link to this

That’s great, Andy. And hey, if so many people were not getting killed on the way to those internet cafes, they’d have even more users!

By Joe Roman

March 29, 2006 03:18 PM | Link to this

That’s good news? (I won’t use your posting name, it’s too juvenile) Oooooooh, the Iraqis declared a curfew all by themselves. I’m so impressed. Iraqis ACTUALLY IN IRAQ say a state of civil war already exists. It is only the voices of this adminisration and their chickenhawk allies SITTING ON THEIR DEAD BUTTS HERE AT HOME who say there isn’t. Gee, who has the most credibility?

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

Well Mr. Roman, since we are not addressing each other personally I would like to express my love of people like you who will trust the UN forever. Rather than answer a message the jihadis sent us on 9/11 because they thought we were a “paper tiger due to our past tendencies to send a weak message.

Personally I think the government could cut many social engineering programs to fund our defense, but people like Mr. Roman find that too inconvenient and prefer to show weakness to continue socialist policies.

Was it a civil war when the Sunnis were beating down the Shiites? Or was that just a civil smack down?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

By finch March 29, 2006 12:05 PM liberal Texas Democrat raises such a good point! Why is Fox ignoring the good news in Iraq?The Moonie Times??

This one may not qualify as “good news” for some of the sillier libs in here, for instance rushncap, but that’s too dam-n bad, ain’t it?

Iraqi authorities revealed the arrest yesterday of an al Qaeda operative who allegedly confessed to carrying out 116 beheadings. Maj. Raid al-Mafraji of the Interior Ministry said a large weapons cache and three other suspected terrorists were also nabbed.

The operative, Hussein Fahmi, is 28 years old and of Egyptian and Palestinian descent, according to the Associated Press. He was arrested two months ago in western Baghdad by the Interior Ministry’s Wolf Brigade after local residents tipped off authorities about possible terrorist activity. Among the victims he reportedly confessed to beheading was Shoshei Koda, the 24-year-old Japanese backpacker whose October 2004 murder sparked withdrawal debates in his home country.

Waaaaa!! How can people without heads use the internet!!??!! Waaaa! Waaaa!!

By Midori

March 29, 2006 03:29 PM | Link to this

Gallup: In Shift, More Americans Now Call Themselves Democrats

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

By finch March 29, 2006 12:05 PM liberal Texas Democrat raises such a good point! Why is Fox ignoring the good news in Iraq?The Moonie Times??

Now this one is dam-n good news. Have you ever seen what Puff the Magic Dragon will do to some punk a-ss terrorist?

U.S. sends ‘flying gunships’ to Iraq By Charles J. Hanley Washington Times ASSOCIATED PRESS March 6, 2006

AN AIR BASE IN IRAQ — The U.S. Air Force has begun moving heavily armed AC-130 airplanes — the lethal “flying gunships” of the Vietnam War — to a base in Iraq as commanders search for new tools to counter the Iraqi resistance.

Waaaa! Waaaaa! How can some blown apart punk as-s terrorist use the internet??!!?? Waaaa!

By Midori

March 29, 2006 03:38 PM | Link to this

RW and Scooter

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 03:40 PM | Link to this

finch,

Re your 11:20, The story you cited says:

Well, now consider how much further along we’d be in dealing with the 30 year-old problem of illegal immigration if Reagan had not signed off on that flotsam & jetsam piece of legislation by Ted Kennedy and other liberal minions in Congress.

I’m a bit confused by the dates here (30 years takes us to 1976) but 1965 was the first big bill that Kennedy sponsored.

Did Kennedy and the liberal minions sponsor the 1986 IRCA Bill too?? Was it Reagan’s Bill? Wasn’t Congress controlled by the Dems? Reagan could have vetoed the bill, but would the veto have stood?

Here’s a recap of legalized amnesty

6 out of the 7 this happened under Bill Clinton, and according to your rules, the President takes the blame.

Reagan’s amnesty accounted for 2.7 million, while Clinton’s add up to 3 million.

Twist and shout.

By Joe Roman

March 29, 2006 03:43 PM | Link to this

Trouble is, Scooter when you sanction this country throwing its weight around to make some kind of stupid neocon point, lots of people die and our country winds up far worse off than we were before we started. Show me one way we are better off. Show me how “standing up to socialism” has done anything to benefit this country other than making armchair patriots like you feel like you’ve got more in your pants. You’ve got nothing, Scooter. It’s over. You lose.

By clark

March 29, 2006 03:45 PM | Link to this

Amen

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 03:47 PM | Link to this

Midori, don’t you need to be splainin what Saddam would be up to if we had left the UN in charge for fifteen years now? I Know you are one sided but you can do it.

What did OBL think?

So, when they left Afghanistan, they went to Somalia and prepared themselves carefully for a long war. They had thought that the Americans were like the Russians, so they trained and prepared. They were stunned when they discovered how low was the morale of the American soldier. America had entered with 30,000 soldiers in addition to thousands of soldiers from different countries in the world. … As I said, our boys were shocked by the low morale of the American soldier and they realized that the American soldier was just a paper tiger. He was unable to endure the strikes that were dealt to his army, so he fled, and America had to stop all its bragging and all that noise it was making in the press after the Gulf War in which it destroyed the infrastructure and the milk and dairy industry that was vital for the infants and the children and the civilians and blew up dams which were necessary for the crops people grew to feed their families. Proud of this destruction, America assumed the titles of world leader and master of the new world order. After a few blows, it forgot all about those titles and rushed out of Somalia in shame and disgrace, dragging the bodies of its soldiers. America stopped calling itself world leader and master of the new world order, and its politicians realized that those titles were too big for them and that they were unworthy of them. Now who do you think OBL was talking about with the politicians?

By RW-(the original)

March 29, 2006 03:48 PM | Link to this

Midori,

Here’s a poll analysis for you. Keep November 7th in your sites, that’s when a poll that counts will take place.

By getalife

March 29, 2006 03:53 PM | Link to this

Yes, Sean Penn loves Ann

Myspace warped my mind!

By getalife

March 29, 2006 04:11 PM | Link to this

Lobbying Reform

By Joe Roman

March 29, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

The NYTimes dropped their entire forum site because of the excess of links. I don’t care what side of the aisle you are on, STOP THE LINKS. SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY HERE. If you can’t write it yourself, don’t post it! The vast majority of us have neither the time nor the inclination to read what you suggest we read. What is posted here is opinion, not dissertations on political science. So please. STOP IT!

By getalife

March 29, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

Whoa Joe,

Some of us have fun here.

So please. STOP IT!

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

You see, I tend to believe someone (Scott Ritter) who was ACTUALLY THERE in 1998, regardless of your red herrings and claptrap.

Midori,

[Try this 1998 PBS interview] (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middleeast/july-dec98/ritter8-31.html)

Iraq still a threat, and he blames the Clinton Administration and the U.N.

By RW-(the original)

March 29, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman,

Don’t read them, goofball. Did you notice the question posed by the owner of this forum? It says….

WHERE”S THE GOOD NEWS

Sounds like a challenge to go look for it, wouldn’t you think? Why don’t you just contribute in any way you see fit and let others do the same? Where’s the tolerance? Where’s the respect for your fellow man? My God sir, where’s the humanity?

By Midori

March 29, 2006 04:25 PM | Link to this

Sorry, RW.

I’m still looking for “the real Midori”.

hey, don’t hate.

that was a Gallup poll.

Not my fault that your brother rats are jumping off the ship.

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

If you can’t write it yourself, don’t post it! The vast majority of us have neither the time nor the inclination to read what you suggest we read

Joe Roman, self-appointed blogmaster, and attempted squelcher of free-speech.

He’s especially fearful of fact-laden links and that destroy his idiotic opinions.

Just another Leftist in action.

By Midori

March 29, 2006 04:27 PM | Link to this

I see ole Jack Abramoff got nearly 6 years.

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

By Midori

March 29, 2006 04:31 PM | Link to this

Congressional Candidate Slams Press Coverage of Iraq—With Bogus Photo

snicker

You know, RW, maybe it WOULD be best to keep you, er, gentlemen around. For no other reason than comic relief.

By Midori

March 29, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

RW,

Is this the stuff I’m expected to see Nov. 7?

This time, claiming she doesn’t even live here — as GOP pundit Ann Coulter has been doing on this spring’s college speaking tour when she’s questioned about her February election meltdown on Palm Beach — isn’t going to cut it.

By getalife

March 29, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

NO MORE LINKS

By RW-(the original)

March 29, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

Midori,

I’m shocked, shocked that you, a member of the ever forgiving and understanding of human error gaggle of moonbats, would question the man’s story that it was accidental.

By Scooter, link free

March 29, 2006 04:42 PM | Link to this

No links for Joe? well that is certainly a shame. I always try to link to semi-objective sights, while the libs rarely have anything to back up their claims. So, are we just to start believing what people say without verification?

You know Joe, that is one thing I like about Boortz - he always says not to believe anything you hear on his radio program unless it is consistent with what you already know to be true or you have taken the time to verify it for yourself - that shows some level of fairness.

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

Getalife, what is this no link request going to do to the blog pimping business? Oh the humanity!

By MIA

March 29, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this

I guess some people just don’t want to be informed. I love it. It’s hard work, but worth the effort. KEEP THE LINKS!

By DavidU

March 29, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

Scooter- I think a better name would be:

“Scooter v2.0 Now Link-Free”

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 04:51 PM | Link to this

Midori, certainly Jeb Bush is going to handle that Coulter flap, riiiiiiight?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman March 29, 2006 04:27 PM If you can’t write it yourself, don’t post it! The vast majority of us have neither the time nor the inclination to read what you suggest we read

What’s the matter, does the truth hurt? Can’t you find any pinko links that you can call your own?

Let’s censor the Comservatives it’s the only hope we got.

By Spin Cycle

March 29, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

I’ll have my links with eggs over easy and hashbrowns. Uhm. Daggone Democrats can’t even cook right.

By MIA

March 29, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

DEMOCRATS ARE USEFUL

The Pope took a couple of days off to visit the Rocky Mountains for some sight-seeing. He was cruising along the campground in the Pope-mobile when there was a frantic commotion just at the edge of the woods.

A helpless Democrat, wearing sandals, shorts, a “Save the Whales” / “Bush Lied” T-shirt and a tree hugger hat, was screaming while struggling frantically, thrashing around trying to free himself from the jaws of a 10 foot grizzly.

As the Pope watched horrified, a group of Republican loggers came racing up. One quickly fired a .44 magnum into the bear’s chest.

The other two reached up and pulled the bleeding semiconscious Democrat from the bear’s grasp.

Then using long clubs, the three loggers finished off the bear and two of them threw it onto the bed of their truck while the other tenderly placed the injured Democrat in the back seat.

As they prepared to leave, the Pope summoned them to come over. “I give you my blessing for your brave actions!” he told them.

“I heard there was a bitter hatred between Republican loggers and Democratic environmental activists but now I’ve seen with my own eyes that this is not true.”

As the Pope drove off, one of the loggers asked his buddies “Who was that guy?”

“It was the Pope”, another replied, “He’s in direct contact with God and has access to all God’s wisdom.”

“Well,” the logger said, “he may have access to all God’s wisdom, but he sure doesn’t know anything about bear hunting! By the way, is the bait holding up, or do we need to go back to town and snatch another one?”

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 05:04 PM | Link to this

David U, you are most definitely right about the superiority of the v2.0 handle. It was only temporary and I will not let the AJC “remember me” when posting, paranoia and all.

Are you still looking into the Fair Tax?

By getalife

March 29, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

OMG, Joe just got swift boated. Maybe he works on this blog and is blaming links for the recent crashes.

By Joe Roman

March 29, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

To call you stupid, (juvenile posting name here) is an insult to stupid people. Those who link, can’t write. It is that simple.

By finch

March 29, 2006 05:06 PM | Link to this

Suck,

So… in the past 4 weeks, you’ve found three (3) “good news” Iraq stories in the Moonie Times. The editorial cheerleading doesn’t count. Three stories? Your cup runneth over.

Where, I ask again, is the good news??? How can the MSM be boycotting stories that don’t exist?

Thank you for the links, by the way. Unlike some people here, I find them worthwhile.

Buy Danish,

The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 was supported by President Reagan.

He praised it in his signing statement.

“It has truly been a bipartisan effort, with this administration and the allies of immigration reform in the Congress, of both parties, working together to accomplish these critically important reforms. Future generations of Americans will be thankful for our efforts to humanely regain control of our borders and thereby preserve the value of one of the most sacred possessions of our people: American citizenship.

As for the Reagan versus Clinton immigration tally? You can’t blame the Clinton administraton for obeying a law signed by President Reagan. The Republicans who controlled the House during the bulk of Clinton’s term apparently weren’t bothered, either.

By getalife

March 29, 2006 05:10 PM | Link to this

Looks like McKinney just struck an officer.

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 05:29 PM | Link to this

finch,

You were the one who made the “blame the President rule” not me. But thanks for the link which lead me to this -

In 1981 this administration asked the Congress to pass a comprehensive legislative package, including employer sanctions, other measures to increase enforcement of the immigration laws, and legalization. The act provides these three essential components. The employer sanctions program is the keystone and major element. It will remove the incentive for illegal immigration by eliminating the job opportunities which draw illegal aliens here

What happened to the employer sanctions and enforcement part? The best laid plans…

Meanwhile, Ted Kennedy is responsible for the worst of it and in his case it was multicultural dreams, not amnesty, that set him into action.

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 05:30 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman what is simple is, if you write it and I don’t verify it, I am a gullible fool who takes the unverified word of “know it alls”. That’s not my style to wander through the world believing what everyone tells me, Bush included.

I do think all people are endowed by their creator and yearn to be free. I also think you are not truly free unless you are free to fail and pay the consequences for your failure, with a few exceptions.

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 05:35 PM | Link to this

Just following JoRo’s instructions:

There once was a blogger named Roman,

who excelled at b****in’ and moanin’.

He whined and complained

that the links weren’t germane,

To which we responded “Then go, man!”

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

I see how this works, if we don’t like what we read, we dismiss the author as a cheerleader. This includes Iraqi citizens, reporters actually embedded with the troops and soldiers on the ground in Iraq.

But when Richard Cohen, a pinko embedded in a Manhattan loft apartment, says things are bad in Iraq, the burden of proof shifts to the Conservative.

Sounds pretty lame to me.

It’s like what ever, libs will believe what libs wish to believe, you know, like this:

By Joe Roman March 29, 2006 05:06 PM To call you stupid, (juvenile posting name here) is an insult to stupid people. Those who link, can’t write. It is that simple.

I offer my services to people that love America and wish her nothing but the best but have been misled by the pinko media. And it’s free!

By @@

March 29, 2006 05:44 PM | Link to this

Finch:

I clearly stated that I think every politician, past & present, who failed to enforce laws on illegal immigration is culpable for the mess we’re in now.

But I’ve gotta say, it was “Old Ted” and his leftwing mentality that started this snowball rolling downhill. Unforeseen consequences and all that crap.

I think the man operates from some place of “guilt-ridden conscience” that causes him to inflict his destructive leftwing ideology on this country.

Now why would “Teddy” be feeling so guilty???????

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 05:45 PM | Link to this

Homegirl!

Congresswoman McKinney Punches Police Officer… MORE… Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) punched a U.S. Capitol Police officer today after he mistakenly pursued her for failing to pass through a metal detector, HOTLINE reports… The entire incident is on tape. The cop is pressing charges and the USCP are waiting until Congress adjourns to arrest her, a source claims… Developing…

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

MoFo for JoRo:

There once was a wanker named Joe,

Who hated when blogs didn’t flow.

He invented a rule that said links were for fools,

Lest the facts let us know that Joe blows.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

O.K. Joey, I’ll cut you some slack, just this once. Did every one see where Reid and Pelosi have released the democrats plan to be stronger then the Republicans on national security? I quote them:

We will surrender to the killers with authority.

Yes, we will cut and run with strength never seen before.

One terrorist bomb and we will withdraw in force.

Happy now?

By getalife

March 29, 2006 05:58 PM | Link to this

Okay, I killed the links!

By RW-(the original)

March 29, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

How about a haiku for JoRo:

No linking says Joe

Don’t make me see the story

I like being fooled

By @@

March 29, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

No links, no fun….I’m outta here!

By getalife

March 29, 2006 06:15 PM | Link to this

@@,

Here is some fun for you.

Forgive me Joe but I must pimp my blog.

By finch

March 29, 2006 06:33 PM | Link to this

To RW and Buy Danish— EXCELLENT verse!

Buy Danish,

If I’m guilty of pulling the “blame the President” gambit, it’s the GOP version. Republicans blame intelligence snafus that led to 9/11, Osama, etc. on Clinton and the Democrats. So why shouldn’t the immigration mess get pushed on Reagan and the Republicans?

I agree that Teddy has been marginalized and needs professional help.

Suck,

Conservatives William F. Buckley and George F. Will both say the Iraq war is a monstrosity. Charles Krauthammer says it’s clear Iraq is gripped by civil war.

How’s THAT for good news?

By MikeIsABigot

March 29, 2006 06:42 PM | Link to this

Mike can lie all he wants to. The bottom line is that the AJC burried the most recent Iraqi elections on page 13 and puts every casualty on page one.

Of course, Mike is too busy rooting for us to fail to tell the truth.

By Redneck

March 29, 2006 06:48 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman and his leftist friends are so stupid that they could not understand or take in context what I was saying regarding the cellphones. I will spell it out for those kindergarten minded leftist. Things must be improving in Iraq since the number of cellphones has increased from 3,000 to 10,000,000 in just over 3 years. How do I know? Well can you imagine the number of new business that have been created to sell that many new phones? Do you know how many new towers had to be built to service that many phones? Do you know how much money had to be earned to procure those phones? I don’t but common sense tells me that if people have money to spend on what I would consider a luxury item, cell phone, things are a durn sight better than when ole Saddam and his murdering sons were in charge. Joe let me know which kindergarten or day care center you are currently attending and I will send you over a small stuffed animal for you to hold at nappy time.

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 06:48 PM | Link to this

finch,

monstrosity? Can I see the LINK for that? Sarc.

There is one item that is undeniably Clinton’s fault: The Jamie Gorelick Wall.

Too bad the wall concept wasn’t used at our Mexican borders.

RW,

Where’s Dusty when we need her? I wonder if I am obligated to write a sonnet to comply with JoRo’s Rules? I hope not. I’m going to work on some Ginsburg-esque Howls just for fun…

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 06:56 PM | Link to this

Joes going to be upset that I didn’t simply take finch’s word on it, but he’ll get over it.

Finch, I truly respect Krathammer’s opinion on Middle-Eastern Politics and am getting tired of clarifying things you throw out, but such is life.

“Does not everyone who wishes us well support the strategy of standing up the Iraqis so we can stand down? And does that not mean getting the Iraqis to fight the civil war themselves?”

Better recognize!

By RW-(the original)

March 29, 2006 06:57 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

We do need Dusty to hurry over and offer us some poetic assistance.

In the mean time, screw JoRo Annie needs to be heard from.

By Midori

March 29, 2006 06:59 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman and his leftist friends are so stupid that they could not understand or take in context what I was saying regarding the cellphones.

How ironic.

Someone named “Redneck” calling people stupid.

By Midori

March 29, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

Conservatives William F. Buckley and George F. Will both say the Iraq war is a monstrosity. Charles Krauthammer says it’s clear Iraq is gripped by civil war

should be fun watching the right swift boat them. :)

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 07:17 PM | Link to this

She didn’t even mention Sean Penn’s love obsession:

But in the three other elections, Iraq war-supporting prime ministers won historic victories. During the run-up to each of these elections, the New York Times described them as referendums on the war and predicted defeat for any leader who had supported war in Iraq. Only when the war-supporting leaders won did the Times change its mind and decide these elections were really about the economy, privatizing the post office, Tony Blair’s tie, “The Sopranos” — anything but the war.

Will the link police go to listening in on my telephone conversations? Will I have link pinkos looking in my windows?

By @@

March 29, 2006 07:21 PM | Link to this

Scooter:

Is that the Krauthammer column finch pulled from. I read that and said “No Way, must be somewhere else?”

O.K., if that’s the way this game is played…Finch, I talked to Krauthammer and he said this about you:

The alternative he proposes for the challenges of 9/11 — new international institutions, new forms of foreign aid and sundry other forms of “soft power” — is a mush of bureaucratic make-work in the face of a raging fire.

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 07:27 PM | Link to this

Midori,

It’s much more fun to Swift Boat you.

RW,

Screw JoRo is right - if wishes were candy, we wouldn’t be allowed to link and learn.

It was hard to choose, but this part was my favorite:

Unaware that there is NO CONNECTION between al-Qaida and Iraq, al Qaeda’s European spokesman explained that the terrorist attack was intended to punish Spain for supporting the Iraq war.

By @@

March 29, 2006 07:28 PM | Link to this

Now Joe will read that and think it’s true cause……..HE DON’T NEED NO STINKIN’ LINKS!

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 07:31 PM | Link to this

@@, I think that was the column finch cherry picked from, but only he/she can say for sure.

Charles Krauthammer is “the man”, when it comes to being a conservative idiot who offers nothing to liberal’s nuanced debate. I can only hope to become as big an idiot as Mr. Krauthammer.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 07:41 PM | Link to this

@@: Isn’t it amazing what a lib can find in a inanimate, seemingly clear cut statement or paragraph? Who would have ever thought that the statement “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” really means that “Congress shall make what ever laws the ACLU wants respecting an establishment of religion, and prohibiting the free exercise thereof with extreme vigilance?”

Or that the same men who said that we were “endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights” were really extreme left wing religion haters who were just pandering for votes, even though they weren’t up for election?

It’s a trip, ain’t it?

By @@

March 29, 2006 08:00 PM | Link to this

LS&L:

There have been studies in the foundation of language throughout history. Language, in it’s foundation and meaning, doesn’t change, but, rather, is changed by man to suit his personal desires.

Mankind!! What shall we do with him?

By suck still sucks

March 29, 2006 09:30 PM | Link to this

Charles Krauthammer -3-28-06

“Iraq may be a bridge too far. Realists have been warning against the hubris of thinking we can transform an alien culture because of some postulated natural and universal human will to freedom. And they may yet be right.”

and suck, stop perverting the Constitution, idiot. Your freedom of religion does not allow you to shove your faith down my throat using my taxes. What part of that sentence cant you comprehend?

By Bill Kibble

April 5, 2006 10:46 PM | Link to this

By WCK

Mike,

I loved your “I’m watching the total eclipse of the son…” cartoon.

“Bring ‘em on” Bush should be impeached. From now on, the presidential candidate that wins the popular vote should automatically be elected.

It will take decades to repair the damage “W” has done.