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Like father, unlike son?

By Mike Luckovich | Wednesday, March 29, 2006, 07:18 PM

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By Woohoo!!!!

March 29, 2006 07:22 PM | Link to this

I posted before LS&L, Danish and all the other fanatics!!!!!1

By DavidU

March 29, 2006 07:39 PM | Link to this

ML did a very good job portraying Bush41

By RW-(the original)

March 29, 2006 07:49 PM | Link to this

Well 41 is eligible for another term, is ml endorsing him? That could start a whole new dynamic in our Bush/Clinton/Bush discussions.

By getalife

March 29, 2006 07:52 PM | Link to this

I wonder if he did try to warn his son?

By Brian Curtis

March 29, 2006 07:53 PM | Link to this

Looking back, I think Bush Senior wasn’t such a bad guy after all.

For one thing, he recognized the difference between “President” and “Emperor,” a distinction that has apparently eluded his son.

By @@

March 29, 2006 08:04 PM | Link to this

Is that woman’s hair on fire, or his her brain smoldering? Everyone knows you can’t see clearly with those stupid 3D glasses.

By Joe Roman

March 29, 2006 08:08 PM | Link to this

No doubt about it, Bush II makes Bush I look like Abraham Lincoln, but Dubya also makes Jeffrey Daumer look like a humanitarian.

By Emperor of Elba

March 29, 2006 08:16 PM | Link to this

BC,

I could be bounded in a nutshell and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams.

Think about it.

By Emperor of Elba

March 29, 2006 08:19 PM | Link to this

JoRo,

Can you provide some links to this Jeffrey Daumer dude? I don’t “get” your point.

Your writing sucks btw.

By King RW-(the original)

March 29, 2006 08:27 PM | Link to this

JoRo,

Is that somebody from this place?

You could have meant this guy, but that would require looking something up or reading.

By kimberly

March 29, 2006 08:31 PM | Link to this

GOOD one, Mike! Hahaha! Even George the Smarter looks like a swell guy next to THIS boob. Hahaha!

By @@

March 29, 2006 08:32 PM | Link to this

Emperor:

Islamofacism?

By DavidU

March 29, 2006 08:35 PM | Link to this

Scooter- Yeah I’m still looking into the FairTax issue, I bought Neil Boortz book (the one with the big IRS sign) regarding it. I just have to get to it.

Thanks for those links though

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 08:40 PM | Link to this

Yes, it was a big a-ss mistake to elect that Clinton guy. We should have stuck with the old man instead of descending into the dark age.

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 08:45 PM | Link to this

Did Bush 41 go into a coma and not witness the twelve years of deceit and trickery?

It is good to see those two got off the sofa finally

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 08:50 PM | Link to this

David U, good.

I haven’t read Boortz’s book but I have a relatively good handle on it if you have questions. Boortz is supposedly writing another book to counter the trivial knee jerk criticisms that have arisen, keep an eye out.

Also, I think Boortz said the proceeds go to his wife’s charity, so you are lining his pockets, if that matters.

By Souldrift

March 29, 2006 08:54 PM | Link to this

How were the Clinton years the “dark age” for you exactly, LSAL? I’m dyin’ to hear this.

Blog and Tan

By Emperor of Elba

March 29, 2006 08:56 PM | Link to this

King RW-(the original),

Phonics are great, but at some point one needs to learn to spell, or learn to Google.

@@,

Are you asking me or George Bush?

By Brian Curtis

March 29, 2006 08:59 PM | Link to this

Souldrift: It was all that peace, prosperity, and fiscal responsbility… from a (ugh!) Democrat.

He’s never recovered from it—in fact, he still wakes up screaming “CLINTON!” every night. Seeing the utter failure of Bush the Lesser on top of that has really shaken him.

By getalife

March 29, 2006 09:00 PM | Link to this

By getalife January 12, 2006 12:55 PM | Link to this I will call it : Wingnuts, Pinko Libs and Moonbats, the wacky world of Andy!

I hate to go back and read my drug induced rhetoric. We were talking about Ted’s dog “splash”.

By RW-(the original)

March 29, 2006 09:00 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

I think Boortz and Linder are just releasing the book in paperback and adding a chapter to clarify some things and counter some of the arguments that have come up.

By Tim

March 29, 2006 09:04 PM | Link to this

Bush 41 with his new pal Bubba Clinton for —-wait for it—VICE president. Sends both parties into a spin cycle that’ll make em dizzy.

By Emperor of Elba

March 29, 2006 09:11 PM | Link to this

B.C.

The “Peace” was an illusion. Just ask the injured parties from years of terrorist acts against American targets around the world, including at the World Trade Center in 1993.

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 09:12 PM | Link to this

RW, duly noted, thanks.

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 09:17 PM | Link to this

The calm before the storm can often be construed as peace.

By @@

March 29, 2006 09:20 PM | Link to this

EmperorU:

Puzzles…..Book or movie? One sleeps through the nightmare, or awakens to pursue the enemy. Even if I’m wrong, the “abstract” thought can apply. I’m going with it…..I’ve got my permission.

Are you going through a gender-identity crisis?

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 09:22 PM | Link to this

like Condi said, we were not on a war footing. We were still Whacking Moles, while UBL planned on how to defeatthe “Paper Tiger”.

By @@

March 29, 2006 09:28 PM | Link to this

Emperor:

Dangit! I was late. You drove me to vanilla wafers and peanut butter.

I’m depressed now.

By Emporer of Elba

March 29, 2006 09:49 PM | Link to this

@@,

You are late? I have a hard time believing you’ve been able to convince a man to have sex with you. Must either be invitro or you dragged in a passed out drunk. But congrats on the biscuit in the oven.

By Scooter

March 29, 2006 09:59 PM | Link to this

Men generally don’t need convincing, especially drunk men.

By RW-(the original)

March 29, 2006 10:02 PM | Link to this

Emporer? Is that like the fish? Wanker.

Tim,

The 12th amendment stands in the way of your 41/42 ticket.

By @@

March 29, 2006 10:14 PM | Link to this

Oh, I don’t know Scooter. Maybe some men have to be convinced to engage with women. Wanking can wear them out don’tcha know.

Don’t worry about my personal life Wanker, but you really do need to evaluate your own.

By @@

March 29, 2006 10:30 PM | Link to this

Oh Lordy:

An eye opener indeed. You can see more clearly now right?

By MikeIsABigot

March 29, 2006 10:31 PM | Link to this

Mikey the bigot is right. Bush Sr’s plan for managing Saddam was working great. Better to lock 25 million innocents in with Saddam and his psycho sons indefinately.

Better to have 500,000 children die a year due to the sanctions regime. Just be sure to keep it out of sight so Mikey the bigot doesn’t have to see it.

By MikeIsABigot

March 29, 2006 10:33 PM | Link to this

Oh Lordy - Charlie Sheen shares your concerns. Looks like great minds really do think alike. LOL.

By Oh Lordy

March 29, 2006 10:42 PM | Link to this

There are no stupid questions, only stupid people, right? But yet, you’re telling me you cannot answer the question. Shall I conclude then, that you are too stupid to answer the question, or do you know where the plane went and why they swiped all video evidence of the plane prior to impact?

By RW-(the original)

March 29, 2006 11:05 PM | Link to this

It must have been this, evidently oh loopy is one of the pod people.

More info here

By RW-(the original)

March 29, 2006 11:12 PM | Link to this

That was the two attacker theory. Here is the actual additional info.

I hope that extra link doesn’t push JoRo over the edge.

By finch

March 30, 2006 12:14 AM | Link to this

Luckovich is just dramatizing old news with this ‘toon. It’s no secret that the first President Bush (41) once held serious misgivings about using military force to seize Iraq and oust Saddam. He expresssed those views in his book, “A Nation Transformed”.

“We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect rule Iraq,” Bush wrote. “The coalition would have instantly collapsed. … Going in and thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations mandate would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish.”

“Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different — and perhaps barren — outcome.”

Now wasn’t THAT prescient! It’s a shame W, good ol’ 43, didn’t listen to his old man.

The above link also includes some nifty thoughts from 41’s Secretary of State, James Baker:

“Even if Hussein were captured and his regime toppled, U.S. forces would still have been confronted with the specter of a military occupation of indefinite duration to pacify the country and sustain a new government in power.”

“”Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” - George Santayana.

By Tom

March 30, 2006 12:26 AM | Link to this

Whew! The guy who SUCKS full-time, DANISH, RW, SCOOTER… This sure is an empty space/place. Time ta move on.

By rushncap

March 30, 2006 01:39 AM | Link to this

Hey, I think there has now been a span of about 17 minutes when Andy failed to post something on this board. An unusually largy bowel movement, maybe? If so, he should buy a laptop and get a wireless card lest we all be deprived of his insane ramblings for too long.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 04:46 AM | Link to this

Bye Tom!

rushncap: Least I ain’t on here at 1:39 in the morning all bye myself like someone we all know, everybody else was cuddling with loved ones, what’s up with you, no luck with the old love life?

See what I mean about HW Bush being a genius? We could have avoided the utter embarrasement and hopelessness of the Clinton years had we just ignored Ross Perot and kept the old man in office. That’s why Nader can’t get any votes, people have learned their lesson.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 04:51 AM | Link to this

“A perfect example is Democratic Gov. Christine Gregoire of Washington state, whose disapproval level is at 54 percent, with only 38 percent approving of the job she is doing,” said David Johnson of Strategic Vision, an independent Atlanta-based polling firm that has been surveying voters around the country.

Wisconsin: Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle’s job approval score is down to 41 percent and his disapprovals are at 48 percent. Voters don’t think much of the state’s Republican legislature: 44 percent approve of the job they are doing, but 47 percent disapprove.

Michigan: Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm, whose state has been suffering from 6.2 percent unemployment, has seen her anemic approval polls rise slightly from 47 percent to 49 percent, but she still draws a nearly 40 percent disapproval score.

• New Jersey: Usually new governors are given a honeymoon by the voters and their polling numbers tend to be above average, but that’s not the case with Democratic Gov. Jon Corzine, who took office this year. He has not been able to poll over 50 percent in either of Strategic Vision’s last two polls.

By Andy's Mom

March 30, 2006 05:45 AM | Link to this

Andy dear, isn’t it time that you get off the computer and ready to go to work.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 06:03 AM | Link to this

Look at this: On top of the stupid, vicious, mindless raging insanity of liberalism now we can add denial-

McKinney hits Capitol officer at checkpoint

Congressional and police authorities, who spoke on condition that they not be named, said the investigation into the incident would stretch into today and that no arrest warrant would be issued for the DeKalb County Democrat —- if, indeed, one is —- until it is completed.

By Compassionate Therapist

March 30, 2006 06:36 AM | Link to this

Ouch! Poor little Georgie, first he spends the day in bed with Teddy Kennedy over the immigrant issue, then he gets dressed down by Daddy. No wonder he has a Napolean complex (aka short people syndrome). Be kind to Junior, he’s trying to work through mental illness and not RESPONSIBLE for his actions (or anything else for that matter….ever….for any reason….at any time….any way….any how)! It’s all Clinton’s fault; it always is, always has been, and always will be.

By candide

March 30, 2006 07:14 AM | Link to this

As the weaknesses of Dubya become more apparent, even to Republicans, let us not wax nostalgic for Bush 41. He was an is a jerk!

By froggy

March 30, 2006 07:30 AM | Link to this

The national guard should be assisting imigration and rounding up all the protesters. Keep the legals and send home the illegals. Oh, wait we don’t have the national guard troops. They are out defending the Iraqi’s that didn’t ask for our help so they can’t guard this nation when it needs help.

By Tom

March 30, 2006 07:46 AM | Link to this

Michael obviously has plenty of fans that like his toxic humor - of course so did Hitler. Cynthis McKinney strikes a security guard at Capitol Hill. Where’s Mike? Does Mike ever read the paper?

By Emperor of Elba

March 30, 2006 07:58 AM | Link to this

Love those LINKS!

@@,

I had to be the Emperor in response to Brian Curtis’ blasphemy: He dared to claim that W was Emperor.

The quote was from Hamlet. Just messin’ with the blasphemer’s head.

By hewhoasks

March 30, 2006 08:09 AM | Link to this

GEORGE WILL has been sidetracked into irrelevancy by his fans. It’s standard operant conditioning. He writes some drivel that favors the right-wing lunatic point of view. The right-wingers applaud, reinforcing the behavior.

In 2000 he wrote a piece of drivel about the vote count in Florida, huffing that the Federalist warned against all three branches of government being controlled by a single party and applying that, amazingly, to the fact that the Florida Supreme Court judges were Democrats. Do note: the Supreme Court is not all three branches of the Florida government. The Federalist warning was totally off the mark for that event. No matter: the dittoheads liked it because it was anti-Democrat. Facts don’t matter, logic doens’t matter: they just want reinforcement for their narrow, prejudiced views.

Now, with all three federal branches mostly under the control of Republicans, does Will quote the Federalist warning about all three branches being controlled by a single party?

Of course not - the dittoheads wouldn’t like it. Will is the sad product of dittohead approval. It’s a shame: he started out as a smart man.

And, of course, it is fully within the scope of the US system of government to rally against proposed legislation. It is pathetic to call that “asserting an entitlement to exemption from the laws of the society they invited themselves into.” Proposed laws are not laws.

But, no matter. The dittoheads approve. Write on, George Will.

By Edd Williams

March 30, 2006 08:11 AM | Link to this

Mr. Lukavich is such a kvetch. He is really twisting facts on this one. The biggest complaint we had from the left is that George H.W. Bush did not occupy Iraq and remove Saddam in the first place. Memory of convenience, I guess.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 08:31 AM | Link to this

hewhoasks: Yesterday, one of your fellow pinkos was calling Will a living, breathing crystal ball on Iraq’s future.

You libs should have a convention where you could like meet and decide exactly what it is you really want.

By Souldrift

March 30, 2006 08:35 AM | Link to this

Finch, thanks for posting the original misgivings of Bush in print so all can read.

By Gil Gibson

March 30, 2006 08:48 AM | Link to this

Bush 41 lacked the courage to finish the job in the first Gulf War. Kids then in junior high had to go back in 2003 to complete the task. Bush 43 has the sense and guts to see this through so kids now in elementary school don’t have to.

By Brian Curtis

March 30, 2006 08:52 AM | Link to this

Gosh, it’s almost like liberals don’t march in lockstep agreement on every single issue.

Guess we’ll leave that to the goosesteppers on the far right.

By Buy Danish

March 30, 2006 09:03 AM | Link to this

Edd Williams,

Let’s see what happens if we need to take military action against Iran. The Left says we should have taken care of Iran before we went into Iraq.

By Buy Danish

March 30, 2006 09:07 AM | Link to this

Brian Curtis,

Do you ever read the newspaper? Any newspaper? How about the evening news? Radio?

Because if you did, you would know that the Republicans are squabbling this very minute about immigration reform.

Just one example that blows your insidious goosestep analogy all the way to Mars.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this

I agree with 8:52, who do you want in charge of national security? A party that is firm and unmoving in it’s commitments, one that will stand by it’s principles and beliefs?

Or one that is poll driven, a bunch of politically correct sissies that will run at the first sign of trouble, twisting in the wind to keep from having to take responsibility for anything? One that has been a political organization for a century and a half and still does not have a game plan or any idea of what they stand for?

I already know the answer, you gave it to me last November….

By Buy Danish

March 30, 2006 09:09 AM | Link to this

Here’s a little Italian lesson from one of my favorite professors

By Buy Danish

March 30, 2006 09:21 AM | Link to this

Now for some philosophy.

If a tree falls in the desert and there’s no one there to hear it,does it make a sound?

By Eric

March 30, 2006 09:37 AM | Link to this

The problem with you Liberals Suck and Lie is that you are so completely and irreversibley stupid, that you honestly believe there is a difference between Republicans and Democrats. I guarentee you this… NO ONE in Washington DC, in EITHER party, gives TWO FAT FLIPS whether you live or die or how happy you are on the way to the grave. They are interested in self preservation, lining their and their friend’s pockets with your tax dollars, and keeping up the illusion that they care about ANYONE but themselves. So keep wearing those blinders all you idiot Republican and Democrat supporters… while we all watch both parties drive America straight to hell.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 09:42 AM | Link to this

This is what people elsewhere in the country don’t understand. This is what politicians in Washington, presently in such an uproar over the issue, don’t understand. On the ground in Arizona, illegal immigration isn’t about long-term fixes like a guest worker program. It’s about tomorrow.

It’s about getting up in the morning and making sure that the property you’ve acquired over the course of years, and sometimes generations, remains intact. It’s about praying that your possessions are still in your house when you come home.

Susie Morales lives west of Nogales in a remote canyon crisscrossed by smuggling trails. From her kitchen door, she can look out and sees burreros — drug mules — backpacking marijuana into the country. They’re close enough to wink at her.

By Brian Curtis

March 30, 2006 09:43 AM | Link to this

So, Suck proudly declares the unity of Republicans (“We don’t learn from OUR mistakes, nosiree!”), even as BD insists that they actually debate among themselves and disagree all the time.

Geez, you can’t even coordinate your own lies any more! No wonder Traitor Bush’s ship is sinking.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 09:45 AM | Link to this

Eric: Which party has given freedom to 25 million people and counting? Which party is killing people who murder our innocent women and children?

Which party would have surrendered to these killers by now?

And that wouldn’t be “stupid?”

By getalife

March 30, 2006 09:53 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Here is your chance to comment about McKinney

By Eric

March 30, 2006 09:56 AM | Link to this

Thanks for proving my point. Enjoy those blinders Liberals Suck and Lie

By Wild Sects

March 30, 2006 10:01 AM | Link to this

Brian - They won’t even admit that the ship is sinking as they wade hip deep in $hit. I suppose life is always grand in Lala Land.

By Buy Danish

March 30, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

Brian Curtis,

What lies would those be exactly? Give them up, Brian. Name one lie that I told.

All these vague and unsubstantiated allusions make you look like a hack and a quack and a jack…

nevermind.

By Joe

March 30, 2006 10:03 AM | Link to this

I sent a comment to the AJC writer of the recent Cynthia McKinney assault on a Captial Police Officer. In my last line of my e-mail I wrote: Maybe new signs should be posted at all security check-points in Washington D.C. that read: “Check all attitudes, egos, and handbags at the door. Only God gets in without an ID…and you “aint God”. Maybe you could fashion a cartoon around that sign. Just a thought.

By Eric

March 30, 2006 10:06 AM | Link to this

That “liberals suck” ‘person’ is really the absent Andy. What a fumb duck!

By Buy Danish

March 30, 2006 10:14 AM | Link to this

Eric,

Anyone who calls someone else irreversibley stupid, is well, irreversibly stupid.

Really bad timing for a spelling error. Like DUH!

By getalife

March 30, 2006 10:33 AM | Link to this

Mike should do a cartoon on Cynthia. Badge, I don’t need no stinking badge!(With eyes bulging).

By Wilma Lamb

March 30, 2006 11:05 AM | Link to this

To get a life; When our press still masqueraded as free, I read that Bush 41 was furious at Bush 43 for invading Iraq. Unlike his son he knew what chaos would ensue after such a stupid move. Stupid misguided liberal that I am, I also knew what would happen. A first I was flabbergasted when I learned Dubya has a Bachelors in history till I remembered he drunked his way thru History the same way he did his MBA.To liberalssuckandlie:what about all the lies we have caught the neocons in, from Dubya Cheney Rumsfeld, Pat Robertson et al. Falwell stays under his rock, sickofsleaze

By Eric

March 30, 2006 11:06 AM | Link to this

Yep, you got me. A typo is the same as someone with an irreversibly flawed outlook on politics. Way to go Eagle eye.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 11:27 AM | Link to this

By Eric March 30, 2006 10:06 AM That “liberals suck” ‘person’ is really the absent Andy. What a fumb duck!

Gosh, Eric, we can’t get anything over you, you’re soooo smart, so brilliant.

Not.

By liberal Texas Democrat

March 30, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

A hit and run cause I ain’t got time Beware the bearers of good newsGOP Candidate to Succeed Duke Cunningham Falsified Evidence of Media Bias Against Iraq War

By finch

March 30, 2006 11:28 AM | Link to this

Too… many… links… from warped-wingnut sites… Moonie Times… National Review… RealClear… must strive… for fair and balanced…. must seek… TRUTH!!

“It was there, in the moments after 9/11, that Bush truly decided on war, maybe because Saddam had once tried to kill George H.W. Bush, maybe because the neocons had convinced him that a brief war in Iraq would have long-term salutary consequences for the entire Middle East, maybe because he could not abide the thought that a monster like Saddam might die in his sleep — and maybe because he heard destiny calling.”

“Whatever Bush’s specific reason or reasons, the one thing that’s so far missing from the record is proof of him looking for a genuine way out of war instead of looking for a way to get it started. Bush wanted war. He just didn’t want the war he got.”

There! I feel so much better now.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 11:30 AM | Link to this

While they are out there floating around (no, not you pinko,) I suggest we give them some “real” experience:

Iran plans ‘war games’ 29/03/2006 21:44 - (SA)

Tehran - Thousands of Iranian troops will on Friday start a week-long military manoeuvre in the Gulf to ready armed forces for warding off “threats”, a senior commander announced on state television.

These dudes want to see allah too, don’t they? This could be like really good for everybody.

By getalife

March 30, 2006 11:31 AM | Link to this

Thanks Wilma,

Maybe W was furious because he knew he would have to go back and clean up Daddy’s mess. Daddy cut and ran and they blame the UN but now cut and run like they say Murtha wants to do is wrong.

They can’t have it both ways and they leave OBL and the Taliban free to plan and attack again. Let us not forget the chance W had to get OBL in Tora Bora and chickened out. Instead he chose to clean up Daddy’s mess.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it just like the kooks, namely 11:28, to get the focus off of Freedom, Democracy and Human Rights so they can put it back onto some moonbat theory?

I’m just glad the founding fathers weren’t pinkos. Can you imagine, General George Washington McKinney?: “Those soldiers never crossed the Delaware, where’s the boat! Where’s the boat!”

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 11:45 AM | Link to this

getalife: Don’t be putting the cart before the horse. If you moonbats hadn’t voted Clinton into office, ushering in the dark age, HW Bush, genius, would have had time to clean up “his mess” in Iraq. George W Bush would have just a booming economy for his legacy instead of freeing the Middle East from liberal democrat sponsored tyranny.

Strange how things work out sometimes..

By Andy's Revenge

March 30, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

Andy,

Don’t you have a life or a job outside of this blog or do you just sit home and collect welfare?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

Andy’s Revenge: I am not an utter physical and mental cripple like you apparently are. I can manage the affairs of my life just fine, doing what is necessary to be successful and to dog you pinkos out at the same time.

Look within your own life for things to fix, you gimp liberal.

By finch

March 30, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

Aw, c’mon, Suck! You haven’t been paying attention to your talking points, have you? Bad boy!

This week, the Iraq War is about terror!! It was about Human Rights last month, remember?? And it was over Freedom and Democracy last December, during the last Iraqi elections. And before that, of course, it was about Osama, and 9/11…

Please stick to the scripts, Suck! Do you think Rove wrote them just for the fun of it?? Independent thinking such as yours jeopardizes the neocon crusade.

By getalife

March 30, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

Suck,

Let us take a look at our security today. Let us hope and pray that this will never happen:

OBL has warned another attack is coming. I doubt it will involve planes and it will be a surprise attack because our borders and ports are open. Homeland Security is a joke. The only defense is the wiretaps and OBL does not use electronic communication, he uses people to communicate.

So, what is being done to stop the next attack?

By Andy's Revenge

March 30, 2006 12:04 PM | Link to this

When your welfare benefits run out then you may have to get a job? Any idea what you would do then?

By truthman

March 30, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

In today’s bass-ackwards world of politics, I believe Cynthia McKinney deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom (PMF). Look at Paul Bremer and Tommy Franks; they screwed up an entire sovereign nation and had a hand in the deaths of tens of thousands of people, Iraqi and American. How were they punished? Why, they received the PMF for dong such a “good job!” All McKinney did was slap an underpaid, undertrained rent-a-cop who don’t like black folk to begin with. She deserves the PMF as much as Bremer and Franks!!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 12:08 PM | Link to this

Talking Points? What are those? Hang one sec, let me google…..

Oh, those are the things MoveOn and NARAL fax out to all of the pinkos so they can get their message out. Interesting. It says here that you can tell when one is in play because all the libs sound exactly the same. Check it out if you don’t believe me.

By liberal Texas Democrat

March 30, 2006 12:14 PM | Link to this

Can’t resist another hit and run before leaving for the office, Andy, Shmandy: while liberals may or may not suck and lie, Republicans are pedophiles

By getalife

March 30, 2006 12:19 PM | Link to this

Good news on the home page of the AJC. GI’s coming home, good pictures.

By Andy's Revenge

March 30, 2006 12:29 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Just trying to find a job for you so you but I’m having difficulty here. Maybe the AJC will give you a daily column. I can see it now.

The Daily Drivel by Andy

Anyone else have a suggestion that would make use of Andy’s talents when the welfare runs out?

By Midori

March 30, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

Oh, those are the things MoveOn and NARAL fax out to all of the pinkos so they can get their message out

that’s all you have, isn’t it?

every time someone mentions “talking points”, you come back with that lame a** crap.

Whenever I see a meme taking form among you morons, all I have to do is watch Fox or listen to Rush. You all repeat your crap in unison.

Yet that’s what you’re trying to project onto Democrats.

I’m like othe posters on this blog in wondering do you have a life outside of this blog? It appears not.

You stubbornly hold onto your world(?) view and all you do is spew the same garbage over and over.

If Bill Clinton’s presidency was the “dark ages”, what the hell do you call the present?

Oh wait. Stupid me. I already know the answer. All one has to do is read one of your many hate filled shriekings.

By Buy Danish

March 30, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

finch,

Nice opinion piece. Can you provide something a bit more substantial?

OPINION:

Tony Blair is Bush’s obedient poodle.

FACT:

Indeed, foreign intelligence sources were in agreement with Bush on Iraq’s WMD and so were Clinton administration officials who had seen some of the same intelligence. Even within the Bush administration, critics of the war — and there were some — were just as convinced that Saddam had WMD

There is not there here, to paraphrase G.Stein.

By nucular

March 30, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

Well now, another fresh day for you Republiscum to mount up as much hatred, bitterness, jealousey, resentment and other mental/emotional dysfunctions as possible. Your favorite BUSHIT is looking more absurd every day, eh. And now the lunatic is visiting Mexico. May some fine citizen introduce him to the ugly side of a machete! Ummmm.

By rushncap

March 30, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

Wait, Andy, you think being on this board at 4:30 am is less sad than being on it at 1:30 am?? Ummm, right… And, btw, most graduate students don’t go to bed before 2 am under any circumstances.

By Buy Danish

March 30, 2006 12:40 PM | Link to this

finch,

I meant to say, “with apologies to G. Stein”.

The reasons for the war with Iraq are complex and cumulative- there is no single reason. Is that too complex for moderate Dems to understand?

By No Child Left Behind

March 30, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

  • Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

  • Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

  • Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

  • Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

  • Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

  • Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

  • Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

  • Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

  • Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

  • Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

  • Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

  • Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

  • Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

  • Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

  • Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

  • Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

  • Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

  • Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

  • Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

  • Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

  • Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

  • Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

  • Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

  • Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

  • Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

  • Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

  • Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

  • Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

  • Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

  • Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

  • Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

  • Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

  • Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

  • Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

  • Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

  • Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

  • Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

  • Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

  • Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

  • Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

  • Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

  • Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a “good military man” and “church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

  • Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

  • Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

  • Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 12:47 PM | Link to this

I could honestly care less, I’m just kind of curious. What motivates people to do things like this?:

By Andy’s Revenge March 30, 2006 12:29 PM

Andy,

Am I missing something here? Is this thrilling to the perpetrator? I mean, you want to talk about me getting a life…

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 12:58 PM | Link to this

By Midori March 30, 2006 12:30 PM I’m like othe posters on this blog in wondering do you have a life outside of this blog? It appears not.

This is the true meaning of psyhcosis; accusing others of something you are guilty of. All I have to do to illicit a response from Midori, night or day, 24/7, is mention Bill Clinton (“she” must enjoy blo-wjobs.)

By RE

March 30, 2006 12:59 PM | Link to this

No Child left behind;

a nice assortment of family values and morality

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 01:00 PM | Link to this

rushncap: You didn’t notice how no one responded to your 1:30 post for almost 4 hours, you little weirdo.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

By No Child Left Behind March 30, 2006 12:43 PM

There must be millions upon millions of pedophiles and other molesters out there and you can only come up with 20 Republicans? What do you think the other 999,999,980 are, independent?

Democrats, you dumna-ss!

By getalife

March 30, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

Here are the scum that need to be voted out of Washington.

This leaves only 8 members who believe in change.

By Buy Danish

March 30, 2006 01:03 PM | Link to this

Can anyone help me understand just who the Democratic Party’s constituency is in the 21st Century?

Judging from months of comments here and elsewhere, there are an awful lot of people who have been so disparaged that only a masochistic could vote for them.

Among the spat upon are: Recovered alcoholics, gays, NASCAR fans, anyone who owns a trailer, anyone who listens to country music, menopausal women, frequent bloggers, Christians, construction workers, anyone who lives in Long Island, Cabin Boys, black conservatives, white conservatives, and recovered Oxycontin addicts, and anyone who drives an SUV.

Still welcome are: Anarchists, atheists, illegal immigrants, members of Moveon.Org, members of International A.N.S.W.E.R. and similar “peace” groups, Hollywood liberals (especially Third Rate Actors), conspiracy theorists, cultural Marxists, deficit hawks who want to raise taxes, Leftist University proFFessors, assorted Moonbats, crack addicts, people who want to put a machete’ to our President, and finch.

By Family Values

March 30, 2006 01:09 PM | Link to this

Ted Bundy- He was a handsome, charming, urbane and extrovert graduate, who did charity work and campaigned for the Republican Party in the USA.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 01:14 PM | Link to this

John Wayne Gacy

When Chicago businessman John Wayne Gacy was exposed in December 1978 as a sadistic homosexual serial killer it came as a seismic shock to his neighbours, friends and business associates.

It was also deeply embarrassing for the Democratic Party of President Jimmy Carter as Gacy was an enthusiastic supporter who had been photographed with the First Lady, Rosalyn Carter.

By getalife

March 30, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

Coburn (R-OK) DeMint (R-SC) Feingold (D-WI) Graham (R-SC) Inhofe (R-OK) Kerry (D-MA) McCain (R-AZ) Obama (D-IL)

These people voted no to the joke they call lobbyist reform. The rest should go and let the joke be on them.

By Conservatives Molest My Children

March 30, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

Because Liberals Suck And Lie seems to only read The Washington Times

By RE

March 30, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

Bundy VS Gacy…..Tough Choice. Who did Dahmer vote for? How about Manson, I don’t think he voted much, but he did live in a commune so I guess he would be put in the Lib catagory.

By Buy Danish

March 30, 2006 01:23 PM | Link to this

Add “cross-dressers” to the list of people who aren’t part of the Dems big tent.

Thanks, family values.

By Buy Danish

March 30, 2006 01:26 PM | Link to this

CMMC,

Do you really want to open the door to who got White House tours?

Enter at your own risk.

By @@

March 30, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

CMMC:

“VOX NEWS”, “The news…before it happens”.

OMG, this is too hysterical!!! Save us, save us, please, from this kind of mentality!!!

By Buy Danish

March 30, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

FV,

Strom Thurmond’s daughter has a different opinion about her father. Who should I believe - you or her?

By RW-(the original)

March 30, 2006 01:27 PM | Link to this

RE,

You’re not going to start matching up serial killers and Presidents are you? I can see a scramble as to whether we blame the President when the killer was caught, became prominent, or first victim. This could be tougher than the musicians.

By Buy Danish

March 30, 2006 01:29 PM | Link to this

F*#k Values,

If you want to mention every church member who did something horrible, how about all the people who never belonged to a church in the first place?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

Looks like the libs have forgotten about the molesting, groping, clod rapist that inhabited the White House from 1993 to 2001.

Bill Clinton! Family values, eh.

Midori?

By RE

March 30, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

No I was going for serial killers vs voting paterns instead of who was president at the time. Most serial killers commit crimes for more than 4 years before they are caught.

I did not start this one, I promise

By rushncap

March 30, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

Well, Andy Little, I was not looking for a response. As opposed to you, who spent half an hour from 4:45 am to 5:15 am typing up 5 long-a* posts. Is this what you get up for in the morning? To make sure you’re fir-diddly-earst one on the board in the morning and can unload crap to your little heart’s content?

By Napo D

March 30, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

Danish, you took too many retardo pills this morning. You need to get out of the house! GOSH! Come over to my house tonight. I caught you a delicious bass. I drew a picture of you too. It took three hours to do the shading on your upper lip. There’s more where that came from if you’ll go to the dance with me.

By Family Values

March 30, 2006 01:37 PM | Link to this

Bow Danish- These are all REPUBLICAN church members and I ain’t even got started on the long, long, long, long list.

By RE

March 30, 2006 01:46 PM | Link to this

That guy Craig Spence was a prize. I thought that might be fake, I mean gay sex parties at the white house. Makes you wonder about Gannon/guckert though

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 02:12 PM | Link to this

660 *current registered sex offenders in Orleans Parrish.*

And what would their political affiliation be?

78% Kerry!

You do the math.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 02:17 PM | Link to this

4338 current registered offenders in Cook County, Illinois

70% Kerry!

You do the math.

By Family Values

March 30, 2006 02:19 PM | Link to this

Math- 22% (Bush) of New Orleans Parrish voters= >660

By Family Values

March 30, 2006 02:22 PM | Link to this

Math- 30% (Bush) Cook County, Illinois= >4338

By Big Bad Elephant

March 30, 2006 02:29 PM | Link to this

NCLB,

Are you the same fool who posted this?

From children’s propaganda stories to porn police blotters - You get around…

Anyway, I’ve been looking all over for you just so I could turn you into Chuckles Redux.

Splat.

By RW-(the original)

March 30, 2006 02:37 PM | Link to this

getalife,

They didn’t leave your Jihad Cindy forum open very long. What happened?

By getalife

March 30, 2006 02:48 PM | Link to this

RW,

They would not post my first comment saying the lobbyists were pimps and the politicians were whores, so I toned down the rhetoric and took McKinney side.

I mean they do not need Capital police, they police themselves. For instance, there were 8 members voting no to business as usual in Washington. Pitiful.

By RW-(the original)

March 30, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

getalife,

Who do you think Cynthia was in a mad rush to meet with?

By suck still sucks

March 30, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

Looks like the libs have forgotten about the molesting, groping, clod rapist that inhabited the White House from 1993 to 2001.

Since no President has ever been indicted, let alone convicted of any kind of sex crime, the poster must be having another acid flashback brought on by sleep deprivation.

Those GOP criminals look really juicy though.

Incest! The game the whole Republican family can play!

By getalife

March 30, 2006 03:00 PM | Link to this

RW,

Her lobbyists?

By Chuckles Redux

March 30, 2006 03:06 PM | Link to this

BBE- Give me some sugar gray top, I likes ‘em big & bad! Go for the folds!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

Paula Jones’ lawyers expect settlement with Clinton

They say deal would prove president wronged their client

WASHINGTON (AP) — Lawyers for Paula Jones said Sunday they expect to reach a settlement soon in their sexual harassment suit against President Clinton.

And-

Clinton admits misleading testimony, avoids charges in Lewinsky probe President’s law license suspended for 5 years

You were saying?

By getalife

March 30, 2006 03:17 PM | Link to this

Okay, I guess I could word it better like Tom

By Scooter

March 30, 2006 03:19 PM | Link to this

This Family Values Cat’s generalizations have me convinced, its not about the principles of the politics it is all about the INDIVIDUALS who comprise the party.

I also now see that Napo D is a big fan of Napoleon Dynamite. Vote for Pedro!

By RE

March 30, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

I know Andy, the whole global warming thing is a myth, I mean how would NASA know anything about the climate, those fools think the world is billions of years old. Luckily smart folks like us know it is only 8000 years old like the bible says, besides Jesus will be back soon anyway.

By RW-(the original)

March 30, 2006 03:32 PM | Link to this

Good job Nancy!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 03:37 PM | Link to this

RE: When you say NASA are you talking about the same people that can’t get a shuttle up into orbit or back to Earth safely? Sure, babe, let’s turn them lose on the environment.

By RE

March 30, 2006 03:44 PM | Link to this

How is your Moon Landing project going anyway? It’s good to have smart people like you contributing so much to society

By Scooter

March 30, 2006 03:55 PM | Link to this

RE, sorry to jump in, but the planet is 6 billion years old and we have accurately recorded weather data for what, 100 years? Should the algae have been killed because they contributed to global cooling? Is the core more active? Does the recent sun spot activity have anything to do with GW, or is it of a frequency that is reflected back into space?

For self important humans to think we can control this planet is a project in futility and only practiced by “know it alls” (100 yrs of data). As we rapidly overpopulate this blue ball, something is going to have to thin us out and who will decide what that is. I pose it will be killers or the blue ball herself, Gaia.

Do you own coastal property you are concerned about?

Again, sorry to jump in but the whole Global warming thing has been hijacked by a sect of our population that is using fear to kill capitalism and you know how I love my capitalism. We will stop producing greenhouse gasses in due time, then they can scream about methane cause it will always be with us.

By RE

March 30, 2006 03:59 PM | Link to this

Deomcracy means having a choice

By Napo D

March 30, 2006 04:02 PM | Link to this

Hey, somebody has to make a profit. GOSH! Why do you have to complain all the time?

By @@

March 30, 2006 04:12 PM | Link to this

RE/Getalife:

I liked your cartoons today.

Did anybody hear about the press conference where the Democrats presented six pages of their proposed National Security Plan? Three of the pages were written in Spanish.

Kinda like the instructions I had for my lamp…no english. Every other language on the globe, but no english.

Just odd is all!!!

By Scooter

March 30, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

Napo D, how many companies are large enough to handle the “big” jobs and which one would you prefer win the LOGCAP contracts? Certainly you’re not a knee jerk reactionary?

By getalife

March 30, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

@@,

RW posted it

I think that is English.

By @@

March 30, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

Getalife:

You posted this one. I left finch a comment on your “college prank” thread. You will be shocked by @@.

By RW-(the original)

March 30, 2006 04:37 PM | Link to this

getalife,

It’s like one of those instruction manuals. Nancy is probably seeing the Spanish side right side up.

By RE

March 30, 2006 04:49 PM | Link to this

“Global warming thing has been hijacked by a sect of our population that is using fear to kill capitalism “

Scooter, you know I respect where you are coming from, but look at your statement and try to find a motivation there. Who and to what end would someone try to kill capitalism? There is just no interest or monetary gain in someone stating that global warming is real. There are clear reasons why companies would promote the idea the global warming is not occuring, but I cannot figure any tangible reason why someone would promote that idea.

I used to be a biologist/organic chemist. If you change the atmosphere enough by burning sequestered carbon (oil, coal, gas) and releasing that into the atmosphere, you will change the ratios. The ratio of CO2, O2, Nitrogen and several other compounds determine the insulating factor of the atmosphere. The higher the CO2, conc. the greater the insulating factor, thus the more heat is retained.

Estimates on sea level rise are complicated and vary from a few inches to a few feet in the next 100 years, however you cut it, don’t look to purchase costal real estate for a long term investment (it is really going to suck for bangladesh). That is an inconvinence but not a terrible one. I am worried about the change in ocean salinity due to new fresh water being pumped into the ocean, and how that will effect regional climate. Humans can adapt and do so very well, but if this process is as rapid as it appears to be, we could wind up shifting where major food sources are being grown. Kansas and Nebraska could be a desert by the end of the century.

To me it comes down to an increase in airborne carbon levels, the higher they are, the warming it gets. Pollution itself is incidental, but the overall carbon consumption is crticial.

Biomass, Solar, Wind, Nuclear. The more we switch over to these, the better we will be.

By finch

March 30, 2006 04:58 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

Glacial ice cores taken from glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica date back thousands of years, and they show the Earth’s definitely getting warmer.

So says the National Geographic Society, a well known, fringe leftist environmental group.

Industrial gases? Solar radiation? Cow f-arts?? Nobody knows…

RW,

NBC is airing another doubleheader of “Earl” tonite. The rerun’s at 8:30pm; a new one’s at 9. I’m happy now.

By getalife

March 30, 2006 05:00 PM | Link to this

Yes, @@ knows all about instruction manuals.

What do I do with these nuts with teeth?

Well, hand them out to the nuts on the ml blog of course.

By getalife

March 30, 2006 05:05 PM | Link to this

All I know is Australia just got hit again and if one comes this way, we are heading North.

Also, “Earl” is a good show.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 05:12 PM | Link to this

Who and to what end would someone try to kill capitalism?

Let’s see here, raise taxes, increased regulation, add burdens such as health care costs, windfall profit confiscation, no, no, you libs aren’t out to harm capitalism, shees, that was silly of us Conservatives to think that.

I forget what the ratio is but when Mount St. Helen’s erupted it spewed gases comparable to a century of human existence. What do you pinkos suggest we do to prevent further episodes like that, extinguish the Earth’s core?

The glaciers are melting, there is no doubt about that, they started doing it in 1860. For you public school pinkos, the internal combustion engine ain’t been around for quite that long.

Guess what, the surface of Mars is also warming, I wonder how that could happen with no Republicans being there? Maybe Haliburton is up there drilling for oil, you reckon?

Why don’t you moonbats fly over there and see?

By Scooter

March 30, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

RE, I agree with many of your points. To the motivation to destroy capitalism, many think capitalism is the root of all the world’s problems. Corporate interests exploiting foreign lands, leaving the indigenous people to starve, etc… This is a prevalent argument for many.

Salinity of the ocean water, granted it does not take much change in salinity to have a detrimental affect on organisms within the food chain. But, only three percent of the world’s water is fresh water, leaving 97 percent salt water. It is certainly up for debate how much ice would melt and how much that would impact the salinity levels. I personally am not scared into believing that global warming will be the end of the world. I think it will be “the bomb”, like Openheimer said, or the lack of fresh drinking water.

We will address all of the issues that produce O3 and CO2 over the long haul. Changing the entire infrastructure of 90 plus years of industrial activity, based on fossil fuels, will take many moons. It will probably happen through the ingenuity of capitalism.

There are more pressing issues created by our overpopulation, like dead zones of the coasts resulting from the effluents from industry and agriculture.

So, I agree the more we switch over the better we will be, but many of the alternatives will have costs as well. we as a people are moving in that direction and we will continue. Presently it is the people creating the demand and profit driven industries feeding that new demand.

By RE

March 30, 2006 05:19 PM | Link to this

Andy,

If it is your opinion that the liberals are responsible and trying to kill capitalism, please tell me how they would benefit from doing that

By RW-(the original)

March 30, 2006 05:22 PM | Link to this

RE,

Then they could have their Communist/Socialist utopia, or so they think. Do you really doubt that there is a huge anti-capitalist movement? Don’t make me start linking!!!

By Scooter

March 30, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

RE, Socialism and government control over the economy, that’s what they would get. That spells out political power.

Sorry to jump in again, but you know how I love my capitalism.

By rushncap

March 30, 2006 05:38 PM | Link to this

Oh please, RW. No one wants to overthrow capitalism. Don’t start with this paranoia. You think anyone who feels that economy or businesses should be regulated or held responsible for their actions is a communist. Newsflash: no. It’s hard to hate Communism more than I hate it, but I do think business needs have to be balanced against those of society at large. And link all you want — there are cooks in cyberspace for every cause, from Nazis to hippies, from flat-Earthers to Scientologists. Just because you can find websites to support a point of view means very little.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 05:42 PM | Link to this

RE: You’re the pinko not me, why can’t you share your little clan’s goofy a-ss ideas with us? Alright, I’ll give it a shot:

What do you libs call it, some quee-r name, “one world government?” Some wild as-s notion that the United States is the root of all evil and a planet Earth bully, you know, like we were doing before 9/11/01. Out there pushing all those Frenchies around, paying Islamic terrorists 20 times what their oil is worth, Bush teaching school kids in Florida how to rape and pillage the third world.

The idea is to cripple the U.S. with all kinds of economic burdens, taxes, etc. so that we lose our financial strength.

There is a focused reeducation of our nation’s youngsters taking place in the public schools and universities, indoctrinating them with ignorance like Bill Clinton was a good president and the American settlers oppressed Pocahontas. This is a plan to make us stupid, and it is working, just look at finch, so that the other world countries can catch up to us academically.

There are other instances of this pinko undermine the United States program, like Algore telling Saudi Arabia we are torturing their citizens, this done in hope that it inflames Islamic hatred to kill some American soldiers, U.S. soldiers being the left’s hate symbol of our power.

Need some more?

By finch

March 30, 2006 05:43 PM | Link to this

RW,

Are you equating liberals with being part of the “anti-capitalist movement” that wants a “Communist/Socialist utopia”??? What tripe!

Shame on you!

By rushncap

March 30, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

Finch — it’s impossible to shame them. They have no shame. None. They lie bald-facedly, know that they are lying, and feel good about it. They will do whatever is necessary to line their pockets a bit more, the rest of this country — and the world — be damned. They remind me a lot of the Politburo and the KPSS (Communist Party of the Soviet Union). Little people be damned — I must get wealthy and powerful.

By RE

March 30, 2006 05:51 PM | Link to this

The salinity thing I am not worried about for the sake of salinity, more for the detrimental effects on ocean currents like the gulf stream. The increased flow could, and it seems is, change the oceans currents and thus the weather patterns. I will grant you there are groups out there intent on destroying capitalism because it is some type of crusade with them. But they do not comprise the vast amount of researchers who have come to this conclusion. Kinda like evolution, you can find a scientist who disagrees with it, and usually their underlying motivation is obvious, but it is harder to find an underlying motivation for those who agree aside from it is what the evidence indicates.

So far as costs go, By gradual switching over from fossil fuels to the other energy sources mentioned, I do not think the cost would be near as high as say losing 50 feet of coastal real estate nationwide, or shifting out farm lands over from state to state. Imagine North Dakota as the new Nebraska. The immediacy and intensity of global warming is debatable, but please do not deny the clear trend here. It may be that we have already crossed the tipping point and any changed we make now will not have an effect on slowing or stopping the trend. But the US right now should be leading the effort to find these new solutions instead of ignoring them. When you look at China and India becoming industrialised, it is in everyones best interest that the technology is already developed to use for those countries.

As a national policy, wouldn’t you feel better if for just a minor step, we cut gasoline imports by 10% by substituting biomass ethanol. We drive the same cars, trucks and SUVs, but we could cut 10% of what we import in oil and the money that is sent over to countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Venesula. Help cut the trade deficet, more industry here at home…this is not all downside.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 05:52 PM | Link to this

Scooter: I can’t give any specifics but I know for a fact that some salt water species of fish have adapted to fresh water and vice versa.

Global warming will improve the Earth, lengthening the growing season in some key areas, providing more usable water, making some climates more tolerable.

The libs want to use it to bleed us.

By RW-(the original)

March 30, 2006 05:56 PM | Link to this

Funny that we can get 800 links saying all Republicans are pedophiles and/or other sexual deviants without a peep from finch or rushncap, but mention that any liberal idea might be anti-capitalist and they start barking at the moon.

Shame indeed!

By RE

March 30, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

guys, if moving away from Fossil Fuels will in some odd way move us toward communism, why aren’t China, Venesula, Cuba, and whatever other communist nations out there pushing for it. Andy, that was a lovely rant, I see you hit on Clinton, Al Gore, Pinkos, Government schools, Higher taxes, and even the native americans.

I think your tinfoil hat is on too tight

By Scooter

March 30, 2006 06:30 PM | Link to this

Rushncap, I generally don’t say this, but you are truly a “hater” and a useful idiot for socialist, not communists. Also, communism is a form of socialism, just to the extreme. What do you advocate more government control over our semi free market and what economic/political system does that resemble? At least JC and Socialist democrat were honest with themselves.

LS&L, you are probably correct. Living organisms have a funny tendency to adapt to their surroundings in order to survive. It is the food chain that stands to be impacted and nothing lives without a food source.

RE, like I said I don’t buy into the general panic over global warming. Also I restate that the profit driven private companies are currently reacting to a demand created by terrorism and the global warming panic. So, the GW crowd has their purpose. E85 fuels and vehicles are already being marketed and only stand to increase their market share. Solar energy is currently to expensive. Nuclear energy, I am all for but a group will come out against it and that group will be under “the big tent” if you know what I mean. What is the waiting list for a Toyota Prius now? The free market is reacting.

As far as current patterns I assume you are typing about how salt water will mingle with fresh water to reach a state of equilibrium? To some degree this already happens and the currents are what they are. The turning of the planet and the resulting drag on the water is a major contributor to currents. As far as the resulting weather, I am under the impression that is mostly caused by water temperatures.

Now a good point would be to say that as the earth warms there will be more energy in the atmosphere and more evaporation of surface water. However, I would think that would result in more cool rain, since the troposphere and stratosphere tend to be cool.

RE, I am not saying the earth is not warming. I started by saying we really have no frame of reference, due to limited historical records. We are like Donnie; like a child who wanders into the… Even more so we do not know what the consequences they will have on mankind. It is all speculation, but the big blue ball will thin us down if we do not do it ourselves. Perhaps we shall die so that others may live, I have no idea.

By Scooter

March 30, 2006 06:53 PM | Link to this

RE, I would type the Communist nations are not pushing for alternative fuels because they have been saddled with government dependency. That dependency has eliminated the competitive forces (profit motive) that bring out the best and the worst in people in their effort to succeed. It is partially for those reasons they are technologically decades behind the US and cannot produce those technologies.

I feel you have the cause and effect mixed up. Alternative fuels do not cause communism. The quest for alternative fuels gives the government an excuse to grab more control over the economy.

Also, I understand the oil lobby has massive control over the information people recieve. That is why I am such a big supporter of the Fair Tax. Business pays their taxes with money raised through the cost of their goods and services. So, we really pay the business taxes for them by paying higher prices. Micro-economics is a whole different egg to crack and I am too tired tonight.

By hewhoasks

March 30, 2006 07:10 PM | Link to this

“hewhoasks: Yesterday, one of your fellow pinkos was calling Will a living, breathing crystal ball on Iraq’s future.”

Where?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 30, 2006 07:39 PM | Link to this

hewhoasks:

By finch March 29, 2006 06:33 PM

Conservatives William F. Buckley and George F. Will both say the Iraq war is a monstrosity. Charles Krauthammer says it’s clear Iraq is gripped by civil war.

By finch

March 30, 2006 09:07 PM | Link to this

RW,

Why should I comment on ambiguous, irrelevant charges against anyone, GOP or Democrat?? My trash detector works just fine. Yours, too I’ll wager.

I didn’t bother with Suck’s gloating over Whitney Houston or his chronic Clinton bashing, either.

Speaking of Suck, it is SUCH fun to read his rants lately!! No need to refute his tantrums. They fall on their own.

What do you libs call it, some quee-r name, “one world government?” Some wild as-s notion that the United States is the root of all evil and a planet Earth bully, you know, like we were doing before 9/11/01. Out there pushing all those Frenchies around, paying Islamic terrorists 20 times what their oil is worth, Bush teaching school kids in Florida how to rape and pillage the third world.

The idea is to cripple the U.S. with all kinds of economic burdens, taxes, etc. so that we lose our financial strength.

This is a plan to make us stupid, and it is working, just look at finch, so that the other world countries can catch up to us academically.

This is so dam-n hysterical there’s no need to refute it. It fails on it’s face! I am holding my sides laughing at this person’s idiocy! My sides hurt!! This is better than General Jack D. Ripper warning in ‘Dr. Strangelove’ about “the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids”. I’m waiting for his dire warnings on flouridated water and new math.

I repost it only so newcomers can contemplate the vaccuum that must exist between his ears.

By hewhoasks

March 31, 2006 03:20 PM | Link to this

“hewhoasks:

By finch March 29, 2006 06:33 PM

Conservatives William F. Buckley and George F. Will both say the Iraq war is a monstrosity. Charles Krauthammer says it’s clear Iraq is gripped by civil war.”

I see.

Where do I find “Yesterday, one of your fellow pinkos was calling Will a living, breathing crystal ball on Iraq’s future”? The words “living,” “breathing, and “crystal ball” all seem to be absent in what you cite.

By Brady

April 18, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

most everyone here are dumb liberals missing the point. Bush 41 made Clinton’s terms successful. Without Bush Clinton would have been nothing. The next left wing D-Bag that gets in office is going to be successful because everything W set-up.

By Brady

April 18, 2006 10:39 AM | Link to this

most everyone here are dumb liberals missing the point. Bush 41 made Clinton’s terms successful. Without Bush Clinton would have been nothing. The next left wing D-Bag that gets in office is going to be successful because everything W set-up.

By Vicki

April 18, 2006 10:46 AM | Link to this

What do you think W has set up - a record breaking deficit, a country unable to respond to its own disasters, an attempt at building a theocracy, a war we cannot win?

The next president, whether Democrat or Republican will have his or her work cut out cleaning up the mess that 8 years of this inept, greedy, morally bankrupt administration will have left behind.

By Midori

April 18, 2006 10:55 AM | Link to this

how in the world can you call ANYONE “dumb” after posting that nonsensical tripe?

most everyone here are dumb liberals missing the point. Bush 41 made Clinton’s terms successful. Without Bush Clinton would have been nothing. The next left wing D-Bag that gets in office is going to be successful because everything W set-up.

ROFL.

Are you saying that the only reason these two held office was to make the Democrats look “good”?

By Truth

April 18, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

What a load of delusional nonsense (by Brady).

Clinton did an amazing job of recovering and repairing as much as possible the damage caused by Reagan and Bush 41. Alas, we now must suffer the worst pretend President in history—as well as the worst imaginable. Between the two Bushes, and particularly this latest version—we’ll be lucky to remain a first world nation.

By Truth

April 18, 2006 11:23 AM | Link to this

What a load of delusional nonsense (by Brady).

Clinton did an amazing job of recovering and repairing as much as possible the damage caused by Reagan and Bush 41. Alas, we now must suffer the worst pretend President in history—as well as the worst imaginable. Between the two Bushes, and particularly this latest version—we’ll be lucky to remain a first world nation.

By Midori

April 18, 2006 11:56 AM | Link to this

Bush should add Bill Maher to his staff.

Maher gives Bush much needed advice:

“Mr. President, this job can’t be fun for you anymore. There’s no more money to spend—you used up all of that. You can’t start another war because you used up the Army. And now, darn the luck, the rest of your term has become the Bush family nightmare: helping poor people.

Listen to your mom. The cupboard’s bare, the credit cards’ maxed out. No one’s speaking to you: Mission accomplished.

“Now it’s time to do what you’ve always done best: lose interest and walk away. Like you did with your military service and the oil company and the baseball team. It’s time. Time to move on and try the next fantasy job. How about cowboy or space man?

“Now I know what you’re saying. There’re so many other things that you as President could involve yourself in. Please don’t. I know, I know. There’s a lot left to do. There’s a war with Venezuela. Eliminating the sales tax on yachts. Turning the space program over to the church. And Social Security to Fannie Mae. Giving embryos the vote.

“But, Sir, none of that is going to happen now. Why? Because you govern like Billy Joel drives. You’ve performed so poorly! I’m surprised that you haven’t given yourself a medal. You’re a catastrophe that walks like a man. Herbert Hoover was a s** president, but even he never conceded an entire city to rising water and snakes.

“On your watch, we’ve lost almost all of our allies, the surplus, four airliners, two trade centers, a piece of the Pentagon and the City of New Orleans. Maybe you’re just not lucky.

I’m not saying you don’t love this country. I’m just wondering how much worse it could be if you were on the other side.

“So, yes, God does speak to you. What He is saying is, ‘Take a hint.’”

 

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