Mike Luckovich

By rushncap

March 28, 2006 12:31 AM | Link to this

Haha. Can we also replace Cheney, Rummy, Rove, Condi etc etc etc with illegals? It will be cheaper, and they may ruin less lives.

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 12:51 AM | Link to this

Protesting seems to be the job that Americans won’t do according to Rush.

ml, Webmaster might be something you should look into while you are denigrating everyone else’s ability to do their jobs.

By MK

March 28, 2006 01:15 AM | Link to this

And it shall come to pass that LS&L will pour out his spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will LS&L pour out his spirit. And he will show wonders of blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible post of LS&L shall come. Speak to us LS&L and we shall weep a bitter tear.

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 02:02 AM | Link to this

test

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 28, 2006 04:36 AM | Link to this

At least he put the fence up, finally.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 28, 2006 04:54 AM | Link to this

Isn’t this just like the Atlanta Journal Constitution to put up a suggestion box with no hole in it?

By Kevin

March 28, 2006 07:10 AM | Link to this

All those wonder full illegal aliens out in La n houston n atlanta…wavin the mexican flag dear morons u in Usa not Mexico. So show u green card i bet u don’t have one.Then u crooks should be sent back also threaten to Use guns on stores in La. Yep remember folks we are a republic here not what u were taught in a Goverment school….

By candide

March 28, 2006 07:19 AM | Link to this

Totally believable. Bush is the dumbest and at the same time most arrogant president we have yet had.

By Souldrift

March 28, 2006 07:27 AM | Link to this

Only problem with this cartoon—illegal immigrants aren’t as conniving as Karl Rove!

Blog and Tan

By George

March 28, 2006 08:04 AM | Link to this

Good one Mike! I’m sure there is an immigrant that will take a job in the US no matter who is in line for the job, for less money too.

By liberal Texas Democrat

March 28, 2006 08:10 AM | Link to this

Change that to “and do need a new chief of staff, Andrew Card just resigned. I vote for the amigos

By Brian Curtis

March 28, 2006 08:13 AM | Link to this

Good one, Luckovich. After all, even if Congress passes an immigration program, good ol’ “Above the Law” Bush will just exempt himself from it anyway.

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 08:16 AM | Link to this

Important bio info on Josh Bolten from Slate:

[Bolten is publicity-shy—the rare profile of him always mentions that he didn’t want the story written—but he has received some attention for his relationship with Bo Derek. The Austin American-Statesman says the two are just friends but that the relationship has included “several briefings” and a motorcycle ride. (Bolten owns a Harley.)]

Caliente’!

By @@

March 28, 2006 08:18 AM | Link to this

This cartoon should include all politicians, past and present, who turned a blind eye to a cumulative problem. Attribute it to ignorance by choice, laziness, or political pandering. Take your pick, this is a mess inflicted upon us by all politicians.

ML, it’s not fair to attribute it to Bush alone.

By AntiRadical

March 28, 2006 08:21 AM | Link to this

Good toon. Chief of Staff for GWB certainly seems to be a “job nobody wants”, at least for the present. The President has made so many blunders that it is incomprehensible that the party will not suffer grevious upset in the midterms.

If the Blair/Bush “Memo-gate” reports become corroborated and more highly played, it is likely that even the Republican faithful will be forced to accept impeachment articles in order to avoid extreme voter backlash.

What an incredible spectacle of mismanagement this administration has been so far. This is a great travesty as GWB is the only candidate from either party with a viable energy approach (one which incorporates funding for nuclear breeder reasearch/expansion).

It is almost laughable that the President must align himself with the Dems in defiance of his far-right conservative base with the guest worker provisions to the immigration proposals. I believe him to be correct, but critics will of course be eager to say that the cost of US citizenship is not all that valuable afterall ($2,000 fine). That would be a simplistic view to a very complex problem.

In very real terms, if the illegal labor force were to be eliminated, our economy would certainly collapse and we would be in the very same shape that the former USSR was at the end of the cold war. The “Bear” could still have the last laugh, afterall. Ronald Reagan’s great legacy (cold war American triumph) may ironically now be in the hands of illegal immigrants.

We accepted and reveled in the benefit of cheap labor; now that the true costs of that cheap labor are coming due, that labor doesn’t seem quite so “cheap” anymore! An appropriate euphenism is that “There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch”. It is more true today than it ever has been!

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 08:43 AM | Link to this

RW,

GREAT suggestion about MLs webmaster. There may even be some legal Mexican immigrants who can do a much better job.

Is it just my computer, or is this page taking forever to open now, in addition to all the other problems?

By finch

March 28, 2006 08:55 AM | Link to this

There’s so much blame to go around for the immigration snafus. I’m no fan of Andrew Card, but why pick on him? What does he DO anyway… other than report to his lieutenaut-in-name-only Karl Rove?

By Jesus

March 28, 2006 09:01 AM | Link to this

IMPEACH BUSH NOW!!!

By candide

March 28, 2006 09:08 AM | Link to this

Don Imus asked the right question this morning.Why get rid of Andy Card for a shakeup? Would’t it be more meaningful to get Bush and Cheney to resign? Good question.

By finch

March 28, 2006 09:12 AM | Link to this

Okay, so ml’s crystal ball is pretty good. You had to figure something was afoot when Presdident Bush said how happy he was with his ‘team’. But wasn’t one of the reasons Bolten was moved over to OMB in 2003 (to be replaced by Rove as deputy chief of staff) was because he was considered ineffective? And will Rove report to him, or the other way around?

Inquiring minds and all that…

By test

March 28, 2006 09:17 AM | Link to this

test

By getalife

March 28, 2006 09:19 AM | Link to this

Okay, so when is the indictment coming for Card?

By CoxNet sucks

March 28, 2006 09:31 AM | Link to this

CoxNet, Get your act together!

By candide

March 28, 2006 09:32 AM | Link to this

Immigration. It is easy for Bush, the business community, the pedaphile Catholic Church, and the liberals to favor generosity with the illegals. Thank God they are mostly Mexicans. If they were Muslims we would know what to do with them. Look at Europe. The Europeans probably wish they had had some cojones forty years ago when Islamic invasions began.

By Midori

March 28, 2006 09:35 AM | Link to this

Good toon, Mike. Tres funny.

And spot on rant, Anti Radical.

By Syd

March 28, 2006 09:44 AM | Link to this

@@,

You are exactly right. But ML would never admit that. In his distorted view, all things are Bush’s fault. The AJC should be ashamed for letting him perpetuate such lies.

By RE

March 28, 2006 09:48 AM | Link to this

Immigration puts the GOP at odds with itself. The actual voters want all illegals kicked out while the contributors count on cheap labor for their businesses. The dems needs to just be quiet and let the GOP tear itself apart on this.

The labor is cheap because the workers are illegal, the jobs would still get done if they had to hire legal workers, they would just have to pay them more. It may cut down on small business profit, but would not immediately raise prices, the economy would not collapse.

By Eric

March 28, 2006 10:07 AM | Link to this

Mike Luchovich is a national treasure. Thank you Mike. Keep on keeping on!

By Jane

March 28, 2006 10:08 AM | Link to this

I thought the cartoon was funny, but Bush has already handed control of our immigration policies over to Vicente Fox. The sooner El Presidente moves south of the border to join his preferred constituents, the better!

By DavidU

March 28, 2006 10:15 AM | Link to this

RE- Yep, strategically speaking, stay out of it let the GOP split themselves and just let Ted Kennedy (he’s not losing his seat, and everyone knows where he stands) do any of the talking and the rest of the Dem keep their mouth shuts.

Now if they actually want to help do something about the problem, that’s another story…

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 10:36 AM | Link to this

Candide,

Whose fault is it that Islamists have made such inroads? It is not the fault of the “Christian Right”, it is the fault of the Left-wing multiculturalists. Which side are you on Candide? :

Some excerpts -

*While the Arabs demanded that Europeans respect the religious, political and human rights of Arabs in the West, not a peep came from the Europeans about the absence of freedom in the Arab world, not to mention the abhorrent treatment of women and other minorities in countries like Saudi Arabia. No demand was made that Muslims should learn about the glories of western civilization as Europeans were and are expected to learn about the greatness of Islamic civilization. In other words, according to Fallaci, a substantial portion of Europe’s cultural and political independence was sold off by a coalition of ex-communists and socialist politicians. Are we surprised? Fallaci isn’t. In 1979, she notes, “the Italian or rather European Left had fallen in love with Khomeini just as now it has fallen in love with Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein and Arafat.” *

As that Norwegian Mullah told Aftenposten, “Our way of thinking … will prove more powerful than yours.” One hopes he’s wrong, but if he is, it will be ordinary Americans and Europeans, including courageous Arab-Americans like L.A. resident Wafa Sultan and the Somali-born Dutch politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali (two women openly challenging Islamist supremacism), who prove him so, and not our intellectual classes (artists, pundits, filmmakers, actors, writers …). Many of the latter, consumed by Bush-hatred and cultural self-loathing, are perilously close to becoming today’s equivalent of the great Norwegian novelist Knut Hamsun, who so hated the British Empire that he sided with the Nazis in World War II, to his everlasting shame

By Scooter

March 28, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

Immigration is nothing new. It has been going unchecked for many moons, while both parties turned a blind eye, like @@ typed.

It is simple the republicrats want the cheap labor for the economy, illegal or not, and democrats want to buy immigrants votes with money stolen from the evil rich.

Republicrats want to keep it as the land of opportunity and the dems want it to be the land of entitlements and handouts.

The land of opportunity is much more difficult to sell when competing against income redistributors.

By RE

March 28, 2006 10:38 AM | Link to this

David U

They are in a really tough position right now. On the one hand if they grant amnesty or something similar, that is going to turn off the law and order middle america people. If they take a real hard line and call for all illegals to be deported without any concession, they could lose the hispanic vote for a generation. The down side of winning the house, senate, and executive is when there is a problem, you cannot really blame anyone else.

The solution to this is in compromise, really working to find a middle ground, and that is something the GOP is just not built for.

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 10:43 AM | Link to this

DavidU,

Thanks for pointing out that we are supposed to be solving problems.

Bush sucks is not a solution to anything.

By vajo jr

March 28, 2006 10:52 AM | Link to this

We’ve left all of this crap up to the race trading politicians on both sides, way too long. Since LBJ set the blacks free in 64-65, it’s gotten worse, and continues to get worse each any every day. Now the illegal mexicoons are getting out of hand, what politician will kiss their butts? Looks to me like it’s Bush again on this one, what a fool.

By DavidU

March 28, 2006 11:32 AM | Link to this

Vajo- Seek help!

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 28, 2006 11:36 AM | Link to this

Check this out: If Bush and the Congressional Republicans go along with McCain’s stupid a-ss immigration vote/ campaign contribution grab festival then they are wrong, just as wrong as hell. You do not see me saying that very often about Bush so jump for joy if you must.

What don’t these supposedly educated, worldly gentlemen not understand about the word illegal? What can’t they figure out on their own about robbing the hard working tax payer blind? Why can’t they see that they are taking away the motivation to be law abiding, successful citizen and giving it to law breaking freeloaders?

Am I missing something here?

Build a freaking fence!

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 11:39 AM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

The Bush Sucks line always works when elections are far enough away. It plays right into my “Springtime in the land of moonbats” theme so I think they should take RE’s advice and offer nothing. If they listen to DavidU a few of them might actually get elected.

By getalife

March 28, 2006 11:46 AM | Link to this

Testing to see if I can post here.

Please do not delete.

By Midori

March 28, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

Bush Sucks has such a pleasant ring to it.

Even lovely, I would say.

There is beauty in truth.

By RE

March 28, 2006 11:47 AM | Link to this

RW, what are you even talking about? The GOP is in a lose-lose situation here, why should the dems step in at all. It is not like they could get a bill to the floor for a vote anyway. Besides, this will most likely come down to state by state resolutions for right now. No one is going to come to agreement, there is no viable compromise to make everyone happy, so they will debate this for a few days, put in conference, and kill it hoping no one will remember until after november.

By candide

March 28, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

By Danish: the Christian Right is no different from the Islamic Right: fanatics, fundamentalists, believers in a book coming from a non-existent god, and so on. They both believe in killing those who apostasy.

By Midori

March 28, 2006 11:49 AM | Link to this

The things you learn on this blog!!!

LBJ set blacks free in the 60’s.

why am I just now finding this out????

damn that public education!!!!

By Midori

March 28, 2006 11:52 AM | Link to this

Caspar Weinberger just died.

By DavidU

March 28, 2006 11:53 AM | Link to this

Liberals S&L - I don’t think the Kennedy/McCain ‘draft’ has any realistic chance of getting any where.

I don’t think congressman Tancredo will be able to push the criminalize aspect, because frankly how are they going to be able to enforce that just number-wise it seems impossible. “The Wall” I think, that will be able to be pushed thorough. IMO they should take off the possibility of citizenship from the current ‘draft’ also….

That’s all I have for now, any more thoughts?

By Midori

March 28, 2006 11:54 AM | Link to this

RW, what are you even talking about?

I ask that same question every time I see one of his BS spin posts.

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 11:55 AM | Link to this

RE,

Your post pretty well sums up what I mean.

Oh no this is too tough..We can’t do anything..This will never work..We have no power..We can’t make everybody happy..

Keep up the good work!

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 11:57 AM | Link to this

Midori,

Now that 11:54 was funny! ;-)

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 28, 2006 12:01 PM | Link to this

Any of you violence hating, free love, surrender monkey, peace talkers wanna explain just what the word “abuse” means here?:

Hollywood activist SEAN PENN has a plastic doll of conservative US columnist ANN COULTER that he likes to *abuse when angry.*

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 12:03 PM | Link to this

Candidas,

I’m going to borrow a line from Alec Baldwin and call you an ignorant boob.

I hope you read that LA Weekly story. Not exactly a right wing Christian rag. You fit right in here:

“our intellectual classes (artists, pundits, filmmakers, actors, writers …)…consumed by Bush-hatred and cultural self-loathing, are perilously close to becoming today’s equivalent of the great Norwegian novelist Knut Hamsun, who so hated the British Empire that he sided with the Nazis in World War II, to his everlasting shame.”

Although I don’t know that you are capable of “shame” - just destruction.

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 12:07 PM | Link to this

David U,

I agree.

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 12:13 PM | Link to this

LS&L,

I wonder what his wife Robin Wright thinks of this doll.

By kimberly

March 28, 2006 12:17 PM | Link to this

“Liberal Media” my A—! Hahahahaha! Please note the breaking news storyon the death of Caspar Weinberger. Note the complete abscence of the December 1992 PARDON he received right before his TRIAL began. Instead, we are treated to this entertaining lil’ tidbit that fellates the Republican regime: “He should be remembered as a world statesman, a great American patriot,” the son said. “What he did with Reagan really brought down the Soviet Union. They stuck to their plan and simply outspent the Soviets despite all sorts of doubts here.” Hahahaha! Liberal Media HAHAHAHA! Stop it!

By getalife

March 28, 2006 12:24 PM | Link to this

Please do not mention Alec, or the “expose the left”.

Conspiracy against bloggers!

Newt said the libs should say, “Had enough”?

The GOP is now the “Gang of Pirates”.

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 12:25 PM | Link to this

Kimberly,

I wasn’t aware that you are a writer AND an historian.

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 12:27 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Definitely a weirdo to mutilate a doll. Takes all kinds. But then again, everyone is entitled to his own opinion.

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 12:30 PM | Link to this

kimberly,

Here or here or here or here

Yep they are building him as quite the American hero.

By RE

March 28, 2006 12:31 PM | Link to this

Andy’s world

Torture and abuse of a plastic barbie doll= outrage

Torture and abuse of actual people= They had it coming

By @@

March 28, 2006 12:33 PM | Link to this

Plug the hole and proceed with logic, not “feel good” liberalism, it will destroy this country from within. Liberals continue to ignore the inherent nature of mankind when applying “progressive” policies.

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 12:35 PM | Link to this

LS&L,

Well in my opinion, she should pack up the kids and flee before its too late!

By RE

March 28, 2006 12:39 PM | Link to this

RW, are you making up quotes for me, that is not nice

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 28, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

Who’s “outraged” at Sean Penn’s little blow up Conservative doll? I think it’s typical left wing lunacy, moonbats R us.

I got to wonder, does the blow up Republican give him more satisfaction then the living breathing pinko?

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 12:43 PM | Link to this

RE,

It’s called paraphrasing.

getalife,

I don’t know why you are complaining about Expose the Left, that thread is covered up with posts from you as getalife, Joe, and who knows how many other names.

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 12:44 PM | Link to this

@@,

Thanks for reading my late post and link the other night. I think you were probably the only one who did. You weren’t exagerrating when you said you spent much of your time following posted links. How do you square those issues with what is usually posted here?

By rushncap

March 28, 2006 12:46 PM | Link to this

By “abusing” the Ann Coulter doll I assume that means having it sit while someone tells her the truth, and periodically showing it pictures of feminine women. I don’t know about a doll, but for the real Ann Coulter I cannot think of a worse form of torture.

And Danish, are you implying that we, liberals, are siding with Nazis or with their latter-day equivalents of some sort? Do tell.

By RE

March 28, 2006 12:56 PM | Link to this

Hey, anybody notice that the downing street memo was pretty much proven yesterday, the white house has not denied any of it’s contents.

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

rusnncap,

Read the LA Times Story. I agree with the author

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 28, 2006 01:02 PM | Link to this

rushncap: Are you speaking from experience with the Ann Coulter blow up doll abuse? Or do you prefer more “feminine women” type blow up dolls like, let’s say, Cindi Sheehan? Or do you have a blow up dog doll?

I can just imagine the pinko love dungeon of torture, complete with rythmic chants of “Bush Sucks, dontcha know?”

By Joe Roman

March 28, 2006 01:07 PM | Link to this

It seems even the kindest positions on illegals tend to emphasize the “cheap labor” part of the equation. How about skilled, motivated and depandable?. As one who worked in the remodeling and renovations biz in the Atlanta area for years, I can tell you flat out that the quality of the construction crew workforce improved by leaps and bounds in direct proportion to the availability of Hispanic workers in this market. This is especially true when it comes to both structural and decorative masonry. The influx of these workers has also greatly improved the quality of workers in the restaurant and food service fields. Ask around. Over time, all these workers become strong contributors to this community. Once again, ideology in the form of turning America into some kind of private club is attempting to trump the pragmatic reality of the NEED to welcome quality and necessary workers to our labor pool. If the wingnuts throw them out, who will replace them? Pierced and tatooed slackers, braindead rednecks and hop-hop thug wannabes? Yeah, right!

By getalife

March 28, 2006 01:08 PM | Link to this

RW,

Just those two but posted another and had linking problems.

Where is the link to the Ann doll with her spewing hate?

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 01:11 PM | Link to this

RE,

Are you back to not checking anything?

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 01:13 PM | Link to this

getalife,

This one with Ann telling it like it is?

By Scooter

March 28, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman, there is no need to say “wingnut”. Because, it is not the “wingnuts” that created the entitlement mentality, which has allowed ignorant lazy fools to feel they are too good for jobs that don’t pay a “living wage”.

I too have worked with these unmotivated nimrods and watched them walk of jobs, because they were too good to do what I was more than happy to do for six dollars an hour.

Unless of course your term “wingnut” includes the intelligencia of the partisan left as well? If that is the case I apologize for my assumption.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 28, 2006 01:18 PM | Link to this

Want to know what the “elite liberals” think of all you people in the hicksville Red States?

Pierced and tatooed slackers, braindead rednecks and hop-hop thug wannabes?

hop-hop?

This ain’t racism?

Whatever, it’s nonsense anyway. Accidents are up and quality is down. Customer satisfaction is a joke, they can’t even communicate with you.

If these people are “so great,” why is Central and South America so f’ed up? Why are they leaving in droves to come to this horrible land of hop hoppers?

By getalife

March 28, 2006 01:19 PM | Link to this

RW,

Thats the one. I love the “liberals hate America” phrase.

The Ann and Al show should be entertaining.

Man, it is getting ugly in France.

By DavidU

March 28, 2006 01:20 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman - That’s why this time Bush’s Program actually made sense (I cannot believe I said ‘make sense’ and Bush in one sentence!). But this is where the poll numbers he’s been carrying are coming back to bite him in the a.ss. If he had at least respectable numbers he’d have pull with his proposal with other Rep. But with that ~33% rating, what Rep. wants to even be in the same room with Bush. Yes I know he doesn’t let polls sway his convictions and he follows his gut. But others who can actually get re-elected follow polls.

Like I said before I think the guest worker program is a good start and just needs to be tweaked to include stuff like “the wall” and take away amnesty. Also it would be nice if before they start “the Wall” they make sure they are able to monitor basic check points on the borders—-both of them

By rob reynolds

March 28, 2006 01:21 PM | Link to this

Why does Bush bend over backwards for people illegally crossing the border? Since 9/11 the borders should be closed! Even Mexico don’t allow people to cross the border without consequences!

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

The French are getting hosed.

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 01:25 PM | Link to this

getalife,

It is sad that such a polarizing figure pushing a doctrine of liberal-hatred should have become one of the heros of the Right. Then conservatives wonder why they get such rabid attacks from the left. We would be better off without the extremists on both sides.

By getalife

March 28, 2006 01:33 PM | Link to this

Bush is doing the same thing he always does. Looking out for his buddies who want cheap labor. See “outscourcing”.

I wonder how many lobbyists are paying for amnesty to keep the cheap labor.

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 01:34 PM | Link to this

getalife,

It is getting ugly with all those French guys mooning the cops. Where are the frisky French babes?

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 28, 2006 01:35 PM | Link to this

Villepin hopes the CPE will reduce youth unemployment from almost 23 percent, but union and student leaders say it will create a generation of “throwaway workers” because it makes it easier to dismiss employees under 26 in a trial two-year period.

“We’re demanding the complete withdrawal of the CPE. You can’t treat people like slaves. Giving all the power to the bosses is going too far,” said Gregoire de Oliviera, a 21-year-old student in Paris.

Giving the “power” to the people that pay the wage, why, the outrage!

Coming soon to a city near you.

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 01:36 PM | Link to this

it is not the “wingnuts” that created the entitlement mentality, which has allowed ignorant lazy fools to feel they are too good for jobs that don’t pay a “living wage”.

Scooter,

I don’t know if they are “fools” - just opportunists with a lot of help from the Left.

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Bush is doing the same thing he always does. Looking out for his buddies who want cheap labor

getalife,

You mean his “buddies” like Joe Roman?^^^

By getalife

March 28, 2006 01:38 PM | Link to this

Washington State,

Very sad indeed but it is probably an act just to make money and it is working.

It would be great for politicians to vote for the people in their districts instead of for the lobbyists.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 28, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

Is this a slip of the tongue from Cohen?:

You can say that these horrors are usually being inflicted by a minority. You say it is a few crazed terrorists of Iraq who are doing the killing. It is not most Iraqis. You can say the same about suicide bombers and torturers and rogue governments, like the one Saddam Hussein once headed. You can take solace in numbers. Most people are like us.

What happened to the Bush sucks/ Civil War mania? Is he feeling bad about the baby birds he squashed?

By getalife

March 28, 2006 01:41 PM | Link to this

RW,

They need a shower to wash off the mace. That water cannon is pretty cool, they should use it to put out the cars they are going to torch tonight.

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 01:42 PM | Link to this

getalife,

That may be the case for Coulter, but not for the following she has picked up along the way. They really believe in her.

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

What the hell is a “hop hop thug?” Is he referring to beer drinkers? If so, I take offense. I like my hops.

By Joe Roman

March 28, 2006 01:44 PM | Link to this

You’ve got a point, DavidU. I guess it’s one of those ten thousand monkeys with typewriters eventually writing a best seller things. On the other hand, Bush’s pandering to the wingnuts is what opened the door for this kind of nonsense. Remember Terri Schaivo? Same thing. …..and Scooter, this is that famous Individual Responsibility we hear so much about from people like you. It’s just the other side of the coin. There are pierced and tatooed slackers, braindead rednecks and hip-hop thug wannabes who work their hind quarters off and do quality work. The losers pretty much choose to be losers. It’s nobody’s fault but their own. That’s exactly what “give me your tired, your humble” is all about. It’s America’s secret weapon. You’ve got to be insane to try and destroy it. It’s reality, NOT IDEOLOGY.

By getalife

March 28, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

Good point, Andy loves Ann. I bet he ordered one of the dolls in RW’s link.

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 01:50 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

You need to remove your political blinders for a moment and look at what is really happening with illegal immigrants. The biggest pressure Bush is feeling is coming from the business community, who don’t want to lose a source of labor willing to work for less than a “living wage.” The question is whether our economy is so precarious that it cannot sustain the loss of that cheap labor or whether it is robust enough that it can provide “living wages” to Americans willing to do the work.

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 01:51 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

I guess I’m a hop-hopper too if that’s what it means.

getalife,

They better get the water trucks refilled it’s almost 9:00.

By getalife

March 28, 2006 01:58 PM | Link to this

RW,

Yes, it is getting dark and looks like they are lining up to knock some heads. They are a lot of people with helmets on.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 28, 2006 02:01 PM | Link to this

getalife: You push her tummy in and she dogs out liberals, it’s quite fascinating in fact. We’re not talking about passing the hours or anything but it is good for a laugh every now and again.

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 02:02 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Once in a great while, you post a link that gives me pause and makes me think. Your link from Cohen was one such. Silence does equal acquiescence. Something we all need to remember.

By Joe Roman

March 28, 2006 02:07 PM | Link to this

Wow. You must actually live in Washington State if you don’t know what a hip-hop thug wannabe is. Trust me. It has virtually nothing to do with beer.
Let me see. Are your pants are about six sizes too big? Then you might be a hip-hop thug wannabe. Haven’t changed your facial expression since you dropped out of grade school? You might be a hip-hop thug wannabe. Do you make Stepin Fetchit look like Malcolm X? You……..well you get the idea now, don’t you?

By getalife

March 28, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

Andy,

I agree, someone in Hollywood should give one to Sean Penn and watch him go off.

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 02:10 PM | Link to this

Lawyers for 18 news organizations — including ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, The Associated Press, The New York Times and The Washington Post — filed a brief backing McDermott.

And he still lost…

Impeach McDermott!

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 02:16 PM | Link to this

Joe Roman,

I’m sorry, I thought you said a “hop hop thug.” I had never heard that expression before. I do know what a “hip hop thug” is, but thanks for the clarification. Now explain to me your reference to Stepin Fetchit and Malcolm X. You lost me again.

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 02:32 PM | Link to this

RW,

If we impeached McDermott, we would have to impeach all the other people guilty of eavesdropping without a warrant. Do you really want to go there?

By Joe Roman

March 28, 2006 02:34 PM | Link to this

Malcolm X was a positive image for black people that went against racist stereotypes. Hip-hop thug wannabes CONFIRM racist stereotypes…like Stepin Fetchit.

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 02:38 PM | Link to this

Again, sorry. Most of the hip hop thug wannabees out here are not black, so I missed the point of that particular comparison. Thanks for your patience.

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 02:43 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

Sorry if some version of this double posts.

I absolutely want to go there. All guilty parties should pay the consequences, but you have to prove them guilty first.

By candide

March 28, 2006 02:47 PM | Link to this

Yes, that arch criminal Weinberger has just died. He was pardoned by Bush 41, naturally. According to the NY Times his father was of Bohemian descent and his mother of English descent. This is Timese for saying his dad was a Jew from Austria-Hungary! Call a spade a spade. Weinberger didn’t like Jews in any case.

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 02:53 PM | Link to this

RW,

It will be interesting to see if any of the administration’s eavesdropping ever gets to the courts. For now, I will grant you that point, but there are an awful lot of legal scholars, both liberal and conservative, who make compelling arguments for the illegality of much of what the administration has been doing.

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 02:58 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState,

We should probably take the immortal advice of Barney Fife and nip this conversation in the bud, but there are also many legal scholars with compelling arguments of the legality of the program. I’m willing to wait and let the chips fall where they may.

By finch

March 28, 2006 03:05 PM | Link to this

I get the feeling the US MSM is making a bigger deal of the Paris protests than it really is. This is modest compared to last November.

And nothing like 1968.

One Paris blogger, a leftist British expat says it’s great because the trains aren’t crowded and he can surf at work.

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 03:11 PM | Link to this

You need to remove your political blinders for a moment and look at what is really happening with illegal immigrants blah blah blah…

Washington State,

I said “I agree” with David U. What’s your beef?

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 03:16 PM | Link to this

Candide,

Weinberger has quite an impressive bio and was a dedicated public servant. Of course compared to you, he pales in comparison.

As for his Bohemian mother, you can ascribe a motive to The Times but it was a country once.

BTW, an “arch criminal” implies someone who do things out of evil motives for their own personal gain. You can spit on Weinberger all you want, but you’ll have a tough time making that connection.

Marc Rich, pardoned by Bill Clinton defines the term “arch criminal” quite nicely.

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 03:24 PM | Link to this

RW,

Not a lot of choice in the matter, but I am with the guy who said “Would you like the president to have such unlimited powers if Hillary was the president?”

By DavidU

March 28, 2006 03:27 PM | Link to this

Fed raises rates in Bernanke’s first meeting. Central bank boosts rates a quarter-point to 4.75%; new chief Bernanke says more rate hikes may be needed.

Good, I was worried he was going to try to set policy or separate himself from Greenspan right out of the gate.

By finch

March 28, 2006 03:28 PM | Link to this

Bohemians are a distinct ethnic group that’s been subjugated by serial empires over the centuries. Kind of like the Kurds.

Part of the Czech Republic now. They speak Czech. In fact, “czech” in czech means “bohemian”.

(Knows this from sister-in-law’s Bohemian family. Christians, by the way)

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 03:31 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I was referring to your post of 1:36

it is not the “wingnuts” that created the entitlement mentality, which has allowed ignorant lazy fools to feel they are too good for jobs that don’t pay a “living wage”.

Scooter,

I don’t know if they are “fools” - just opportunists with a lot of help from the Left.

By Joe Roman

March 28, 2006 03:36 PM | Link to this

Thanks for your civility, Washington State. Your multi-racial viewpoint is well-noted and accepted. To me, the only cases where the ‘wannabe’ can be removed from the metaphor are the guys who actually have record deals. That’s not an endorsement. It’s just a recognition that since they make millions, they do contribute something worthwhile. By the way, I’m a lifelong Democrat, and I like Bill Richardson for the 2008 nomination. Out of respect for the nation, I feel the GOP should sit that one out. The Libertarians can again run some bozo with no relevant experience and pragmatic government with a heart and a brain can regain the Presidency.

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 03:39 PM | Link to this

finch,

I can’t claim any Bohemian relatives, but how do you define “ethnic group”?

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 03:42 PM | Link to this

Washington State,

That referred to the people who are NOT the Illegal immigrants. You know, the ones who won’t do the jobs that the immigrants are willing to do.

Sheeesh.

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 03:50 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I was too. There is nothing wrong with wanting a “living wage” for doing honest work. Some businesses would prefer to continue to have the benefits of workers willing to work for less than a living wage. They are the ones pressuring Bush on the illegal alien issue.

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 03:56 PM | Link to this

RW,

I just love this Mc Dermott story. Do you know, was Fox not a part of the “chilling effect” crowd - they weren’t mentioned in your link.

Apparently the Dems and the MSM believe in “the right to privacy” except when it comes to personal conversations. Except when Linda Tripp tapes her own conversation - then it is bad, bad, bad.

Apparently they believe that wiretapping and recording conversations is bad when it against al qaeda operatives, but is good when it is used against the Republican leadership.

The Dems and their allies need to get rid of the donkey and replace it with Gumby.

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 04:06 PM | Link to this

W.S.,

It is almost impossible to have a “conversation” with you. You are entitled to your opinion, but that opinion has nothing to do with my comments, which followed Scooter’s comments.

I’m really not in the mood to argue about the “living wage” except to note the irony that millions of people are fighting to be able to live and work here for sub “living wage” wages.

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 04:10 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

I would guess that Fox wasn’t one of the anti-free speech for Republicans crowd, because the headline would have been:

Even Fox News Agrees With McDermott

Don’t you love Joe Roman’s solution to the Dems finally winning an election? Not only don’t they want free speech, now they want Saddam-like “elections.” Moonbats…gotta luv ‘em.

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 04:14 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

The argument wasn’t about the actual taping of the conversation, which McDermott had no part in, but rather about the release of the illegally taped conversation once he obtained it. Fruit of the poisoned tree stuff. Personally, I think he was wrong anyway, but impeachable offense? Not in today’s world.

By Napo D

March 28, 2006 04:16 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish, I have a confession to make. Remember the other night when you described in detail to me the “act” you performed on RW, and the icky stain on your dress? Well, I was recording it. GOSH! It was supposed to be so I could play it for my own entertainment, but then a bunch of friends came over, and my brother & my uncle, and I played it for them, and then the Sheriff took it, and… FOX news will run the recording pretty much all day tomorrow. Hope you won’t be too embarrassed. Sorry.

By RE

March 28, 2006 04:17 PM | Link to this

funny cartoon about the sad state of the DNC

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 04:21 PM | Link to this

Buy Danish,

Most of the illegals who make it up this far work as migrant workers in agriculture. You might change your opinion if you saw the conditions they live in. Granted, it is better than starving to death in some central american country, but it is only marginally so.

By AntiRadical

March 28, 2006 04:22 PM | Link to this

I am still amused by the supporters of the border wall. Has anyone looked at an Atlas to see the vast borders that our country possesses? We do have borders along our northern, southern, eastern, and western perimeters you know. (12,000Km in land borders and 20,000Km for our coastlines)

If anyone seriously thinks that all of that vast area can be totally secured from a determined enemy carrying over a couple of hundred pounds of fissionable radioactive material; they should take a look at the thousands of TONS of marijuana, cocaine, heroin, and amphetamines that are smuggled into our resident addicts year after year, after year. Little of it goes through check points, afterall. Instead it is hand carried through clandestine tunnels, backpacked over remote wilderness trails, and even skirted in under the noses of Coast Guard surveilance with submarines and zodiac cowboys.

“The wall” would only provide the feeble minded with a false sense of security at an astronomical cost in initial installation and an even more staggering cost in maintanence. The best and probably the only feasable defense the USA has against terrorism is to be a good and benevolent world citizen and stop inciting other cultures and nations to hate us! That’s not likely to happen in our present “culture of arrogance”, however!

By DavidU

March 28, 2006 04:23 PM | Link to this

RE- Now that’s funny.

By @@

March 28, 2006 04:32 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState:

Sorry for the delay in response to your 12:44 post. I only get to respond from work when the kids are not in my care (therapy, recess, lunch.)

Let me preface this by saying that I do not equate homosexuality with pedophilia. But neither you nor I can discount the possibility that a crossover between the two can and probably does occur.

I can come to my own conclusion that can support an argument regarding homosexuality from either a nature or nurture perspective. I can recognize both possibilities separately.

Allow me to share…I worked with the youth group at my church. Watched a young lady grow from age 12 to 16. Up until age 16, she was crazy for boys. At 16 she became involved with a female college student she worked with. Her mother came to me in a panic over this relationship.

I assured her mother that she was not gay and that it was just experimental. “Relax, I said, this older girl has capitalized on an opportunity of circumstance (broken home) and convenience (vulnerability.)” I’m going to take some credit here. The Dad gave up the booze, thereby improving the relationship with his wife, and the family became whole and healthy.

I talked with the daughter, expressing my confidence in her. The relationship ended with the college-aged girl. The daughter is now married to a young man.

Where shall I place the blame in this specific incident? On the broken family, the college-aged girl, who may have been born to homosexuality but nevertheless coerced a vulnerable young girl. I blame it on a tolerance of moral decline that is harmful to others.

I was going to pose another perplexing question to you, but it is best left alone for now. Maybe at a later date.

When I have all the answers to life’s perplexing problems, I’m moving to a deserted island to avoid other people. I’m not packing my bags anytime soon, and my guess is that I sure would be lonely if I ever got there.

Did you notice how I emboldened the I’s and you’s? That was to acknowledge individual opinions. Apologies to everyone for the lengthy post.

By finch

March 28, 2006 04:34 PM | Link to this

One good cartoon deserves another.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 28, 2006 04:35 PM | Link to this

AntiR: A wall wouldn’t stop this?

No one ever said a wall would be perfect but if we can stop, oh, let’s say, 950,000 illegals per year and only 50,000 get through, I say let’s take a chance.

The best and probably the only feasable defense the USA has against terrorism is to be a good and benevolent world citizen and stop inciting other cultures and nations to hate us! You’ve got to be kidding, right? Do you know how ignorant that sounds? If you are really serious what would you like us to do, kill the Imams that are inciting jihad over their loss in the Crusades?

By RE

March 28, 2006 04:36 PM | Link to this

the other side of the story from McDermott

So, just for clarification, this democrat scandle involves the release of a tape to the press that was recorded illegally. What was on the tape, well that would be Gingrich and Boehner conspiring to break an agreement with the house ethics committee. Even with a dem scandle, there is a another GOP scandle involved

By @@

March 28, 2006 04:38 PM | Link to this

WashingtonState:

BTW. Whenever I am referred to as a troglodyte, I am going to assume they meant to say “speleologist”, a recreational pastime in exploration. I will retain the power to do that without anybody’s permission.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 28, 2006 04:40 PM | Link to this

F******* now says that he had secretly opposed the Iraq war before it was launched… . After public opinion had turned against the war, F******* then courageously came out against it.

And of course garnered great media attention and praise for doing so, which seems undeserved even if he turns out to be right. The good news, though, is that he has a history of being so spectacularly wrong—“the Paul Ehrlich of geopolitics,” as an InstaPundit reader calls him—that his turn against Iraq strikes may itself be reason for optimism about the outcome there.

By Scooter

March 28, 2006 04:47 PM | Link to this

Perhaps Washington State would change his/her mind if they worked with some of these entitlement minded people and seen their work ethic. They are lazy and do not produce what others who earn a living wage do. The entitled generally have little if any respect for their employer, because; they feel they are entitled to a job simply because they are American. They have removed responsibility from themselves by claiming to be victims of “the man” (aka their boss) and the democrats have been more than happy to facilitate that victim hood in exchange for dependency.

It is all nice and fuzzy to think that all people put in an ”honest days work”, but that is subjective and in reality the left has fostered so much envy and animosity that it is not the case. Leave french politics in france and stop insisting we institute them here.

We won’t even get into what a “living wage” would do to inflation, but it is warm and fuzzy, on paper.

By rushncap

March 28, 2006 04:48 PM | Link to this

OK, @@, interesting story. I’m afraid, however, that I interpret it far differently from you. In my experience girls are, in general, far more open to bisexuality. I have a number of female friends and acquaintances who have “experimented” with girls, or who go through periods of interest in girls and periods of interest in guys. For a year I lived with a bi girl who had a boyfriend, but while he was away she would hook up with other girls. She will probably wind up getting married to a guy, but that does not mean she’s not bi.

What strikes me is your immediate assumption that there is “blame” to be assigned for the “incident”. You know more than me, of course, but in your story there is no indication that this girl was coerced into anything, no indication that she was somehow harmed or damaged. A 16 year old is fully aware of what he or she is doing. We have had 16 year olds fight in wars, produce offspring, be tried as adults for crimes, etc etc etc.

The final disturbing note is that you preface this story with your comments on homosexuality and pedophilia. I don’t know if this was supposed to illustrate your point, but a 16 year old dating a college student is NOT pedophilia.

By rushncap

March 28, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

And, BTW, Andy, the Muslims only lost the First Crusade. It was the only real successful one. The rest ended with either disaster for the Crusaders or some form of a stalemate.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 28, 2006 04:50 PM | Link to this

My goodness, I don’t know how the name Frank Fu-kuyama can incite so much hatred from cartoon boy’s nanny.-

Fu-kuyama now says that he had secretly opposed the Iraq war before it was launched… . After public opinion had turned against the war, Fu-kuyama then courageously came out against it.

And of course garnered great media attention and praise for doing so, which seems undeserved even if he turns out to be right. The good news, though, is that he has a history of being so spectacularly wrong—“the Paul Ehrlich of geopolitics,” as an InstaPundit reader calls him—that his turn against Iraq strikes may itself be reason for optimism about the outcome there.

By AntiRadical

March 28, 2006 04:52 PM | Link to this

LS&L- If the wall were built from solid 1” thick cold rolled steel, all that would be needed to breach it is a hand carried oxy-acetylene set with a 00 cutting tip and 10 minutes of very easy work. This 20 pound rig can be purchased at any welding supply or it could be purchased for delivery from Northern Tools via mailorder for around $50. Unless there is an observer installed to guard every lineal foot of whatever barrier erected, it is an utterly wasted effort as evidenced by the vast quantities of contraband that makes it into our country now. A wall can not realistically protect us; only our actions can.

By DavidU

March 28, 2006 04:54 PM | Link to this

AntiRadical and Liberal S&L- I would like to know more information on how those US agent were able to sneak that dirty bomb through both the Mexican and Canadian Borders. It wasn’t as if they did it by swimming across the Rio Grande and coming in under the cover of night like some illegal immigrants do. They drove/walked it in through an immigration check point. ICE needs to be able to handle a check point before they are expected to patrol miles and miles of our borders.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 28, 2006 04:56 PM | Link to this

See how a liberal thinks they are contributing to society:

She explains, “I was in the store the other day and I watched a young girl trying on clothes, showing her abdomen. “Her mother was trying to talk to her about not being inappropriately luring. I said, ‘Gee that would look much nicer with a camisole under.’ “Her mother walked away, and I said to the girl, ‘I’d like to give you a two-minute conversation about sex.’ “Young people talk to me about what to do if they’re being pressed for sex? I tell them (what I believe): oral sex is a hundred times safer than v**** or anal sex. “If you’re in a situation where you cannot get out of sex, offer a blow job. I’m not embarrassed to tell them.”

Where I come from Sharon has what is known as brain damage.

How about if the girl just says no? Isn’t that a novel idea?

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

RE,

McDermott may want to update this:

No Settlement for First Amendment Rights: For over 8 years Ohio Rep. John Boehner has been engaged in a frivolous lawsuit against Washington Rep. Jim McDermott for releasing this tape. The lawsuit pits the First Amendment against the Right to Privacy.

By DavidU

March 28, 2006 04:59 PM | Link to this

mmm…whats the age of consent here in georgia? 16? or 18?

Time to go home

By AntiRadical

March 28, 2006 05:01 PM | Link to this

DavidU- The dirty bomb ruse was perpetuated primarily by the use of forged NRC documents. According to the reports that I have heard, radiation detectors were triggered but the material was allowed through because it was “documented” with falsified documents.

The whole thing is kind of absurd as a real smuggler would not try to import contraband through checkpoints in the first place. They would go for the many thousands of Km of unwatched border as they do currently.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 28, 2006 05:09 PM | Link to this

AntiR: The forty foot concrete wall along the Israeli border has stopped the suicide bombings 100% completely. It will stop an illegal alien too.

Lax immigration enforcement, such as the policy stands now, leads to 1 million illegals per year, plus who knows what kind of explosives, chemicals, drugs, etc.

Tighten it up, let’s see what happens.

By Scooter

March 28, 2006 05:11 PM | Link to this

Where there is a will and a way;

“Due to the country’s restrictive policy on immigration in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks, and heightened security, many more secret tunnels were built to enter the country from Mexico, most running between Tijuana on the Mexican side and San Diego, California on the American side.”

I wonder how much loot those smugglers would be getting if drugs were legal and we spent a fraction of the cost of the “war on drugs” on rehabilitation and treatment?

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 05:17 PM | Link to this

@@,

I have no problems with our disagreements. At least you take the time to look at both sides of the issues and acknowledge that they might not be as straight forward as they seem. In this particular instance, I am curious as to what makes a small number of patients want to change their gender assignment after years of living as a women? It makes one wonder at what point gender roles become solidified. For the majority, they seem to do fine with living their lives as women despite their chromosomal sex, but I have no explanation for the minority who are not. I think you handled the situation with that young lady just fine. I would have done the same.

By @@

March 28, 2006 05:20 PM | Link to this

rushncap:

My post was intended for WashingtonState regarding a question he posed to me earlier today.

You’re right, you don’t know the specifics of the case. The girl was rejected by guys at a formative stage of her life. She had gained considerable weight due to the stressful situation at home. Tell me rushncap…do you prefer fluffy girls or do you reject them on site.

The girl was emotionally devastated by this coercion. She may have been 16 physically, but maybe her emotional development had been stunted by her situation at home. Possibility?

Never let anything I say disturb you rushncap. My point is that nobody has all the facts. Kinda like you didn’t have them in this case, but felt compelled to address me all the same.

Proceed with your discussion on other topics though. I’m here to learn.

Thanks for caring though (sarc).

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 05:23 PM | Link to this

Andy,

Stone doesn’t represent all liberals. I have been asked about oral sex by kids as young as 11 years old. I tell them that you can get most STDs from oral sex as easily as from genital sex. Planned Parenthood makes presentations to teens around here on a regular basis emphasizing the dangers of oral sex.

By AntiRadical

March 28, 2006 05:24 PM | Link to this

LS&L- I agree that the wall would help with many of the less industrious walk-overs and may have some worthwhile impact on illegals. However, I do not think that it would have any bearing on a determined enemy who could easily paraglide over, catapult, tunnel under, chisel through or use conventional exposives to breach any unwatched barrier that might be erected.

The illegal immigrant problem could be better addressed more economically by employer sanctions (analagous to fighting prostitution/drugs by arresting the johns/users- very effective enforcement tools), and a better ID system with biometric monitoring. Illegals wouldn’t run the border if there was no payday on the other side.

By Buy Danish

March 28, 2006 05:46 PM | Link to this

*The best and probably the only feasable defense the USA has against terrorism is to be a good and benevolent world citizen and stop inciting other cultures and nations to hate us! *

Anti-R,

You’re inciting me right now, so I guess it’s all relative isn’t it.

By test

March 28, 2006 05:49 PM | Link to this

test

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 28, 2006 05:55 PM | Link to this

AntiR: The illegal immigrant problem could be better addressed more economically by employer sanctions

The INS mailed Mohamed Atta his green card 6 months after he knocked over World Trade Center 1 with an airplane. Do you really expect them to be able to enforce 300,000,000 social security numbers? A fake number gets you a job.

As far as the paragliders, you’ve done up and left the immigration debate and have started the invasion of America by a foreign enemy argument.

By RE

March 28, 2006 06:00 PM | Link to this

WS, Are you a teacher?

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 06:02 PM | Link to this

I like the picture of then catapulting in. That could get pretty messy on our side.

By RE

March 28, 2006 06:04 PM | Link to this

Anti R, the employer laws are on the books, but not enforced.

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 06:11 PM | Link to this

RE,

No, but I work with a lot of them, especially the ones concerned with special ed students. They are good people.

By RE

March 28, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this

I was wondering if STD and STD prevention is still taught in schools. The last few years it seems like most sex ed has been supplanted with abstinance only education. Sex seems to be only taught from a moral perspective, and not from a public health perspective.

By Scooter

March 28, 2006 06:18 PM | Link to this

If they were catapulting in we could put trampolines at angles and watch, that would be entertainment from all.

That would be so Monty Python.

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 06:25 PM | Link to this

RE,

At least in Washington, it is still part of the curriculum for the health classes. Abstinence is the emphasis, but protection is also covered.

By Scooter

March 28, 2006 06:27 PM | Link to this

I would assume the curriculum would depend on the district and I’m relatively sure it is not part of the NCLB requirements. It certainly should be highly encouraged learning.

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 06:29 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

Put up some hoops and we could make it an international game of SlamBall.

By @@

March 28, 2006 06:40 PM | Link to this

Scooter/R.W.:

Alright, you two are just being mean, but in a funny sort of way, so you’re forgiven.

By Scooter

March 28, 2006 06:48 PM | Link to this

What’s that Mexican jumping beans saying?

No, I love the hard working immigrants, it’s that second generation that gets too americanized and lazy.

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 06:50 PM | Link to this

@@,

AntiR is the one that said they would start catapulting over the wall. I guess when they ran out of paragliders.

By @@

March 28, 2006 07:01 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

But it was you and Scooter who turned it into a game of human projectiles travelling through hoops. That’s O.K., I’m sitting here laughing at the visual and feeling very ashamed of myself.

By Scooter

March 28, 2006 07:05 PM | Link to this

@@, sorry for being mean, in a funny way, will this suffice as a band aid for our cyber relationship?

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 07:13 PM | Link to this

@@,

Good point! I plead guilty, but also laughing. The paragliders thing is fun too. Do they fly over two at a time so they can fly back? Or is it like a scene from the Wizard of Oz where all the paragliders swoop in at once.

By @@

March 28, 2006 07:13 PM | Link to this

Scooter:

Hysterical, but you noticed, only men were laughing on the audio. Go ahead, have your fun and when you’re through take a break.

By @@

March 28, 2006 07:19 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

Based on what I’m reading and seeing, the Wizard of Oz scenario would apply.

By Scooter

March 28, 2006 07:29 PM | Link to this

AA, would the smaller sombrero signify a hat tip, a tip hat, or niether?

Alright, we are taking a ciesta.

By rushncap

March 28, 2006 07:30 PM | Link to this

@@, I think your “(sarc)” should have come after the “I’m here to learn”. If you were here to learn you would not respond like an idiot.

Also, I don’t really care who you were responding to. This is a public board, if you don’t want others responding, don’t post. And don’t worry, for something you say to disturb me it would have to be at least partially intelligent. You, however, seem to be entirely disinterested in rational discourse, so if you want to be a donkeyhole to me, that is what you’ll get in return.

By @@

March 28, 2006 07:36 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

It hasn’t gone unnoticed that you have not commented on the illegal issue. Let me guess, you’re enjoying watching the politicians squirm over a situation that they have left unaddressed far too long. In doing so, they have created a problem that cannot be solved in an efficient way.

Oh well, if that’s not how you see it, that’s how I do.

And, no! Neither of you will not need to switch the hats around.

By @@

March 28, 2006 07:39 PM | Link to this

O.K. rushncap, thanks for the revelation.

By @@

March 28, 2006 07:41 PM | Link to this

Leave out the “not”.

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 07:57 PM | Link to this

@@,

It’s a problem with no quick and easy solutions. Every piece of the puzzle is too intertwined with too many other things for there to be any quick fix.

Frankly the rush to implement new laws are meaningless to me because we already have laws on the books to try to address the situation and these laws aren’t enforced so why would I believe we are going to enforce the new ones.

What I would like are secure borders and some assurance that no one currently here illegally gets to jump the citizenship line on anyone here legally. President Bush’s plan assumes that everyone here illegally ultimately wants to become an American and I just don’t think that’s true.

This is an issue that I could comment on until I’m blue in the face and never get anywhere, so I had quietly flown under the radar until you blew my cover.

By @@

March 28, 2006 08:05 PM | Link to this

R.W.:

I didn’t really require a response. A yea or nay would have been fine. Sorry! Go ahead and switch the sombreros ^^^ if it will make you feel better.

One good scolding deserves another.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 28, 2006 08:13 PM | Link to this

RW: Do you have a plan for the paragliders? This is apparently a major concern.

By RW-(the original)

March 28, 2006 08:19 PM | Link to this

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I thought the hats were for Scooter.

By WashingtonState

March 28, 2006 08:24 PM | Link to this

Scooter,

“Learning objectives” are set at the state level. It is up to the district how they want to incorporate them into their individual curricula(or is it curriculums?)

By Scooter

March 28, 2006 09:01 PM | Link to this

WS, or curriculi?

My apologies, I should be knocked on the head for forgetting GA’s Kathy Cox. Back to my ciesta.

By Mike

March 28, 2006 09:13 PM | Link to this

The answer is simple. Vouchers. The only reason it can’t be done is politics.

By Pink Salmon

March 28, 2006 09:48 PM | Link to this

Pink Salmon here (aka as the pink tigger)…

The most wonderful thing about Vouchers

is Vouchers are wonderful things

Their tops are made out of rubber

their bottoms are made out of springs

They’re bouncy, trouncy, flouncy, pouncy

By disgusted

March 28, 2006 10:48 PM | Link to this

If Bush refuses to deport the illegals in Ga. then the State education system should sue the U.S. goverment to fund translators for our schools. These children do not speak or understand english. The CRCT exams will be here again soon. These tests are given to all children in english with no translation. Their zero scores are then factored in with all the other childrens scores and averaged. No wonder Ga. is at the bottom of the score charts. No child left behind in Ga. means all of our children are left behind.

By AntiRadical

March 29, 2006 04:34 AM | Link to this

Sorry guys, was called out earlier so missed the discussion regarding catapults etc.

The problem with border security is muti-faceted as LS&L mentioned. There is the illegal immigrant problem that has been inextricably linked with the problems of drug importation and possible nuclear material importation for the purpose of assembling a true atomic weapon or just a dirty bomb.

When I mentioned catapults I was of course not referring to human bodies but small packages of nuclear material/drugs that could be picked up by secondary team members that have already been installed on the American side. A wall would be easily circumvented thereby. The trampoline cracks were rather humerous, though.

Motorized paragliders are fairly inexpensive, portable, radar neutral and once again an avenue for compact drug or nuclear material shipments. Maybe this stuff seems obscure but so does digging sophisticated tunneling networks from one side of the border to the other. How many of these have been uncovered in the past decade alone?

The border issue is complex, as I mentioned, but building walls offers no true security. In isolated stretches they remain worthless as breachment is just too easy to accomplish and a wall with a hole in it is really just an open path.

Breachment is already going on with the fence sections that are in place and they are typically in high activity areas that are also sight patrolled regularly. Why should we imagine that isolated sections of border walls would somehow be impervious to assault when the patrolled sections that have already been installed are being breached now?

The vast borders of the USA make sealing them an impossible dream. Building border walls would be a colossal waste of initial expenditure and impossible to maintain the integrity of.

As I mentioned earlier, a new national ID system containing unforgeable biometric data such as fingerprints or retinal scanning is need not only to combat the problems of illegal immigrants but to assist in the identification of felons, suspect travelers, and a host of other problems that our government has with double-dipping into social welfare systems such as what happened in the Katrina relief efforts. This would be a much more effective use of resources than border walls would be and would have true universal impact on the illegal immigrant problem which is as prevalent in NYC as it is in Brownsville, Texas. Illegals won’t run the border if there is no payday on the other side. Securing our ID system is the way to accomplish that. Walls are too easily circumvented with respect to contraband importation and would only provide a false sense of security at enormous cost.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 04:38 AM | Link to this

It’s about time for another “puff” piece, ain’t it, AJC?:

SUPERSTAR Whitney Houston has spiralled into a world of squalor and degradation on deadly crack — as the shocking pictures in today’s Sun newspaper reveal.

It shows the disgusting mess in the singer’s bathroom after a drug binge. Drug paraphernalia including a crack-smoking pipe, rolling papers, cocaine-caked spoons and cigarette ends are strewn across the surface tops.

But Whitney, 42, no longer cares.

She is haggard, with dark circles under her eyes and a deranged look on her face.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 04:44 AM | Link to this

Let’s see what the true Conservatives have to say:

“It appears that the members of the committee who voted for this misguided legislation are more in tune with the thousands of protesters waving Mexican flags in the streets of Los Angeles than they are with the overwhelming majority of Americans who are demanding that America’s borders and national security be protected,” said Bill Lauderback, executive vice president of the American Conservative Union. “The first priority of any immigration reform bill must be to secure our borders. By contrast, this bill undermines respect for the rule of law and encourages more illegals to storm our borders.”

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 04:53 AM | Link to this

Isn’t it great when the libs get to say “If Bush said it was so, then it must be true, Bush would never lie.”:

The fact is that it is only in very exceptional circumstances that there would even be the possibility of a tax cut that would so stimulate growth that it would pay for itself. Even the Bush administration admits this. The 2003 Economic Report of the President (pp. 57-58) says, “Although the economy grows in response to tax reductions … it is unlikely to grow so much that lost tax revenue is completely recovered by the higher level of economic activity.”

Using BS to make BS.

By AntiRadical

March 29, 2006 04:56 AM | Link to this

One final note, indeded there are laws on the books for sanctions of employers of illegal aliens but they have little teeth and as mentioned are not enforced anyway. What if we got really serious about this issue and confiscated the businesses, homes, and assets of those who traffic in illegal labor as we do with drug trafficers?

A secure ID system would allow us to do that and would safeguard legitimate employers from hiring illegals and suffering the seizure consequences thereof. Seized property of illegitimate employers could fund the enforcement system as it does with seized drug assets in all our local communities today.

By Liberals Suck And Lie

March 29, 2006 05:23 AM | Link to this

For one thing, the Bush poll numbers aren’t as bad as the doomsayers will have you believe. Rasmussen’s daily tracking survey, based on a three-day rolling average, has Mr. Bush’s overall job approval rating at 45%. That’s not a majority, but it’s an uptick from the mid-30s or high-30s numbers that had the Beltway pundits urging Mr. Bush to throw overboard the duly elected vice president.

I can see clearly now the rain is gone, I can see all obstacles in my way, Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind. It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright) sunshiny day.

By @@

March 29, 2006 06:09 AM | Link to this

You would think Cindy could have warned them.

By test

March 29, 2006 07:20 AM | Link to this

test

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 08:17 AM | Link to this

@@,

Great link for O’Reilly - if he can shut up long enough for the story to get out.

I also heard a bit of Savage last nite - really just a sound bite, but apparently the LA Times has done a 4 part series on Caesar Chavez of the United Farm Workers.

Guess what! They used to be solidly oppossed to illegal immigration and had their own Minutemen forces patrolling the borders.

He changed his stripes at some point (I would bet that he followed the money). Farm workers earn less now than they did in 1981.

I will try to locate this story.

By @@

March 29, 2006 08:50 AM | Link to this

BD:

Bring it over to the new cartoon. I’ve always wanted to say that to someone. I’m usually the one lost.

By Buy Danish

March 29, 2006 09:23 AM | Link to this

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I literally took it over. I pasted your immigration expose’ link!